001hold meeting in order. All rise for the pledge. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Can we do a roll call, please? >> Wonderjam >> here. >> Ven here. Stefus >> here. >> Gardian here. Campbell >> here. >> Dan >> here. >> Hibore >> here. All present. >> Thank you. Please note, as a courtesy to members of the audience, the board of education, please silence your cell phone. Public will only be able to speak during public comment if signed up. >> Do we have any? Fair enough. All right. >> Walter. >> Do I not have any? >> I don't have any. >> Oh, board. >> Oh, you can you can
002be >> I will share with you. I don't know what happened there. >> Our first item, the approval agenda. Can I get a motion? >> So moved. >> Support. >> All those in favor? >> Yes. >> Opposed? >> Motion passes. Consent action agenda item number two. Can I get a motion? >> So moved. >> All those in favor? >> Yes. >> Opposed. Motion passes. Regular action agenda. Uh 3A. Recommendation of the primary architectural engineering firm is recommended the board of education select GMV as its primary architectural and engineering firm. Can I get a motion? >> So move >> support discussion. >> Sure. Um so we did uh a request for proposals. We had um the architectural and engineering firms that are listed in your board packet uh that uh applied if you will and we
003had presentations. We had a committee um comprised of 10 people including two board members. And after uh listening to the presentations and looking at the information that I put in your board packet and uh also in your board update of the different areas we looked at, it was determined that GMBB would um be the primary architectural and engineering firm. Um Amy, Brett were a part of that. You guys want to add anything, say anything about the process or anything? >> You have anything? >> I mean, we listened. There was nine or 10 of us in the meeting who listened to their presentations, had their had their information ahead of time and um then we voted and then it was clearcut on GMBB was number one for primary and uh pending and how was clearly number
004two on the numbers. It was like significant majority for both. >> Um Fanning Howe is it? Is it Howy? So it is >> they are newer to this area but they do have like a local it's actually a Granville person that would be part of the staff that would support us and another person in Allenale. So their office would be considered Allenale but they have more of a national footprint and done more national projects n like schools around the the nation. So it might be interesting to see what kind of information we can gather from them. And then GMBB obviously just because they've been around and they are very familiar with all of our schools and the people and the staff and and so on. >> Yeah. I mean I think with the other firms
005that we looked at they were all I would say when we look at all the different factors so the process they go through um some of the different supports they add their fees their we looked at things like their error rate so kind of what where are you at and they're all very comparable. Um and so when you take something that's very comparable and you look at the addition of GMBB um just based on the institutional memory and knowledge of the district um that sort of I think adds because to get somebody on board to really understand how the facilities operate um that that ends up actually costing money. So, [laughter] uh, I that sort of was our take. >> Mhm. And and the idea of having a second firm to get new ideas and
006>> maybe overall improve service. >> Mhm. >> Low competition. >> Yeah. Little incentive there. >> Okay. >> Any questions? Um, so GMBB was selected because of comfort. I I I think I understand what you're saying. I wouldn't say it was necessarily comfort. It was that at least and keep in mind I'm only speaking to my sort of the way I interpreted it. I'm looking for what you think the consensus of the group was since you were there. >> I would say it's the institutional knowledge, the the knowing our building. So you could describe that maybe as comfort with them. >> Okay. >> Experience with them. >> Okay. Do we not have architectural drawings that are accessible to us? I mean, we paid for them. Mhm. >> So, you've got a set of um building codes,
007both state and federal, that everyone has to abide by. So, when it comes to comfort, >> um I would think, you know, just because someone did some work, >> um somebody else could do it, too. For instance, if I said I got to knock into this wall, GMBB isn't going to say, "Oh, I just know what that is." No, they're going to say, "Let me look at the prints, so we're all going to be able to see the prints." So, from that perspective, um I question the comfort level because if that's the case, the RFP was set in stone uh when it was placed. The areas that you see on this board agenda are the things that we looked at. I think when you hear people talk about comfort, it's really the relationship, the connection,
008the understanding of what's been done, the institutional memory, as I think Amy said, um with other people. You're building the relationships. you're bringing them along on what's been done. Um, and I think what I not putting words in their mouth, but I know when I look at this, it's bringing people, it takes time, effort, and therefore money to really help people understand where you've been and the plans of where your committee that you've had all along. the things they've talked about, the how old something is, they can tell like that. And yes, you can pull a plan up, but when you have people that experience that, it's hard to replace that. And I think that's what what they're you know what >> I [laughter] mean I relate that to my industry because we we obviously
009do work for for some of our customers that are just repeat and we do that and there's definitely an efficiency that we provide but then also we have vendors and we try to bring in other vendors for competition. But um when we bring in vendors it's it takes time and money time and effort and hours to get them up to speed for things that the other vendor already knows. So, >> I mean, that's the thought of having a second vendor for an A&E firm is just to to get somebody else to up to speed and in the buildings. >> Um, who is Nolan Decers? >> Nolan is works our HVAC our HVAC systems. >> So, he's an employee. >> Yes. >> Okay. Um, was there any thought to bring in somebody? I mean, Granville is
010a big district to uh bring in anybody in construction management um just to get their input as part of this because when you look at the level of expertise on this on this panel, I'm not trying to criticize. I'm saying in my mind it's limited with that industrial commercial building experience. >> I would disagree partly with that. I mean, I see what you're saying and maybe we could have had somebody that was say in the construction field, but I know two people in this room right now that spent a lot of time in during this last bond in the construction field, >> and I'm not I'm not diminishing that whatsoever. >> Discredit that. Um but no, we didn't have anybody from, you know, we could have grabbed somebody maybe from OAK or somebody from the
011community that is uh in construction management. We could have done that. >> So um on the Thanks for the summary of the spend. So um and I don't know if everybody looked at it. Um, so I'm looking at 26 projects on this spreadsheet. Of the 26, had to go into the contingency. Some of them are kind of rudimentary. So it it I know why we do contingency. Um, [clears throat] I guess my expectation is if GMBB is so familiar with this district, um, why they can't at least be under the uh, original board award rather than always having to use the contingency. >> And I'll take that question. Um, so contingency is very complex. There are things going on throughout this district that are not um board award approved. And when you have a bond
012issue and you have contractors on site, and I'll give you an example, it happened just last week. Um building I think it's outlined on the plan is building D on the transportation site. It's the current garage where Mark and um Chris fix the buses. It's going to be a storage barn for us, but that's got two layers of shingles and it's been leaking. And when we had the big rain, it's leaking, right? So, what do we do? We reach out to um OAK to Jacob who's on that project, and we say, "Hey, Jacob, like, can you get us some quotes on this?" and that comes in under bid threshold at like $20,000 to get two layers worth of shingles off and get that barn reshingled so that it's up to speed. So those are things
013that we are running through the bond and we are running it through projects out of contingency. If we weren't doing that, it would come from either syncing fund or a general fund. So contingency we're it's not just a CM architect district spend it's it is working together to kind of solve those problems that are out there in the field in real time and and like I said I mean we're we are very lucky right to have a syncing fund in this district. So that does help with a lot of that those things as well. But if we didn't and we weren't running it through that, you're going to run it through your operations, which and I'll update you later, but it's not it's not going to be feasible for the size of the district to
014always be able to do that. Understand? Thank you. So um something that has been asked before and now we have this as a regular process if we can do that is if we do a large amount um specifically in construction it would be nice when it's done to come back to the board with what the total spend was similar to this okay >> so that we can actually see that this first time I've ever seen this and I appreciate I just want the complete follow through if we can. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Mhm. >> And that was a metric we did discuss with G&B >> in the meeting. >> Good. How long did that take >> the interview process for all of them? How long did you two take out of your day?
015Like four hours. >> Four hours was >> overall it was four hours here >> in the meeting. Yeah. Yeah. >> I'm sure it was a lot. I guess my point is thanks for stepping in and doing that. >> And there was another company that no bid right also. >> Yeah. So um Progressive A&E I reached out to them and um they came back with hey um you know thank you but we're not really in that K12 um market. They're more university driven. And it had to do with one of the questions that we have in there is the um the bond structure and helping sell a bond issue basically. And so of um every the rest of the AE firms that bid had all of that experience too. Um but progressive AE did not. So
016>> thank you. Any other questions? >> All right. >> One more question. So, we're doing this now and what is Roger's vision like in the future? So, when would we revisit this again if we were happy with fanning? >> Yeah. I I mean, that's really up to this board. >> Um I mean I I there's no set time limit. We haven't [clears throat] every year, right? >> Yeah. We haven't put a set time limit on it. Um I I think you if you have a primary and a secondary, you're going to get a better better understanding a little more of the secondary as well. But you know, my hunch would be before you have the next major bond, which I don't foresee a major bond for some time. Um it it's probably worth having that
017discussion and saying >> where you know where we at with this. Are we going to keep rolling with our primary or do we need to revisit? >> Mhm. >> Is there how are you activating the secondary? Are you giving them specific projects? >> Are you just going to have them bid everything? You're having the primary bid. What are you thinking you're going to do? We'll have, you know, we'll talk about that in a minute, but because the secondary piece, >> well, I mean, there's it's sort of like when we do school of choice. >> Yeah. But they they will have some some projects, smaller projects so that we can get a feel for the work, we can build the relationships, um, we can see how do they handle these things. Is it what our primary
018typically does? Is it different? If it's different, is it better? Is it, you know, what is it? It just gives you more uh it you you get to test the waters out there and gives somebody an opportunity that has a little bit of West Michigan uh right now, but really is quite new to West Michigan. It's a win for them because it gives them some exposure with some projects. It's a win for us because we get to see some work of somebody outside our primary architectural engineering firm. Well, >> thank you guys again for the your efforts and time. That's a long day, right? Especially have to get done with the work and everything and appreciate what you guys have done there. So, thank you. >> Um, no other questions. Let's move to a vote.
019All those in favor? Yes. >> Yes. >> Opposed? >> No. >> Motion passes. >> 3B. Recommendation of the secondary architectural engineering firm. It's recommended the board of education select Fanning Howy as its secondary architectural and engineering firm. Can I get a motion? >> Moved discussion. >> Okay. And as mentioned, Fanning Fanning How's new uh to West Michigan, but as Brent said, not new uh in general. They do a lot of work on the east side of the state uh in the Midwest and around the country. Um and uh we thought the committee thought having a secondary architectural firm again gives us some exposure to uh them and to see what work others do outside of a primary architectural firm. At the same time, it's a win for them because it gives them exposure in West
020Michigan, which they they don't have much of that right now. So >> So how big of a team do they have here? Is just the >> They have a large They Yeah, they have a large team. They have what they did is they hired uh or not hired they they were employing a uh person um who was in Indiana and brought him he's from West Michigan brought him back to West Michigan uh because they wanted to have um you know they wanted to be here too and so they brought him back. they hired somebody who um has some past history that is from Granville. >> Um and he's a part of the that as well. But uh they have an Allenale office. They have offices on the east side, the Detroit area. Um and like
021I said around around the country. Uh so they tap in to uh like the team they brought to the interview. uh actually was from different places. They had different expertise from different places and they brought them together. They were quite impressive, [laughter] >> I would say. >> Yeah. I mean, I think they were impressive. I think it's just again it was a little bit less known. Um especially cuz yeah, they didn't have much in West Michigan. >> Do you think they had any major projects that they've completed here in West Michigan that we would know? Okay. >> No. No. [clears throat] >> And Carmel School District is >> Yeah. primary >> if you uh >> so if you know that >> yeah you know that district [laughter] that primary one for them >> that is
022a very that is a very um affluent it's like the district in >> in they had examples of things they working on in Utah >> so as well >> which was half a billion dollars is how much that bond is in >> Novi >> Mhm. Yeah. >> Was it I can't we asked the staffing and capacity and is did they have 30 people in Grand Rapids and Kazoo? >> Something like that. 30 or 39. >> I really like this idea. This is you know my husband and I have done a lot of renovation. We had a primary builder. Had another project that this one didn't have time for. Pulled in our what would be our secondary and that one ended up being our primary builder for all the rest of the project. So it gives
023you a flexibility >> to evaluate and to move forward with whom you feel is going to best. >> It honestly also keeps that first builder >> knowing right a little bit of competition knowing gives them a little absolutely. >> Yeah. So nice. I like it. I like it. >> Any other questions? All right. Take a vote. All those in favor? Yes. Opposed? >> Motion passes. on to section four discussion 4 a the budget update. My guess is we're going to go to head over. Yes. Um so this is not an amendment. I'm not looking um for any type of approval for this. This is still a work in process. Um but I wanted to provide you um where we ended the 25 or 2425 school year. Um our auditors will be joining us at the
024next board meeting um with a presentation for you. We have um finished everything that we needed to finish. We submitted all the required reporting to the state today. Um, I know this I didn't talk a whole lot about it this summer, but this summer our office went through a very large restructure from six people down to three for the summer with people moving to different jobs and such. So, um, it has taken longer than um, previous. Um, but, uh, everything everything is good. The audit went well and they'll they'll fill you in more in a couple weeks. Um we did end the year at um a deficit of 868,000. Um that was uh less than what we um thought we were going to be. So by about 50ome,000 so ending at 8.33% fund balance. um
025the proposed um we did a lot of a lot of work throughout the summer too between negotiations um uh eliminating through attrition and whatnot. So then finally too we come to we finally get a budget from the legislature. Um, still some moving pieces of that, especially with the 31A. Sounds like it's going to be better now. Sounds like they're going to work through that language. Um, and um, so I have two columns there because when I put it together, didn't know where we were going to be. Um, but I think the one of the major things that I want to share with you is if you look at where we ended 2425 and you look at that state sources of 54.6 million and I want you to think about what you've heard in the media.
026>> Mhm. And how great this budget is for schools, then how come because that the the revenue is spot on from a budget standpoint right now. It's the expenditures I'm still working through, but um how come I'm getting less this year or we as a district are getting less this year than in the past? And I know when I brought the proposed budget to you guys, I had um a estimate of lower student count by 34, but as of right now, and we're still going through our pupil accounting audit, we're up five. So, it's not an account. It's not in property tax values. It has to do with what you're not hearing went away. >> So, let me just share this with you. If I can find my cursor here. So, this was and I
027put this together initially when um when we didn't necessarily know everything. Um, but the top section is unrestricted funds. So, you talk about your foundation allowance, that's what the FA stands for, $10,50. That's great. But what goes away is some of that supplemental on the retirement side that we're not going to see. It's that normal cost adjustment for, you know, it was supposed to be at 20.96, but is not there, right? Like those are the things that have incrementally gone up. Um so those are big chunks that aren't there. Um we will see offset on the expenditure side for retirement to the tune of about 1.45% or $100 a pupil. The other thing and it's highlighted is 27 um L and that has to do with some language that was built in around um compensation
028to staff. So, while it looks, you know, great uh $141 per people increase there. It's an in and out. It's it's not it's not a true just revenue. At some point, those dollars will need to be negotiated. That's how the language is reading right now. Um so, jump down then to the restricted funds. Um 31A got an increase there. Nice increase. um which is great because we can we can utilize that for um some of our uh ML we have intervention in there um we have some SR SRO's are in there um some of our security so that's great 31A again mental health and um safety and security hopefully that language is getting reworked you'll know it's $19 per pupil increase because the increase is over 2 years. So it's not just for 2526. Um
029they break it down. It's 300 million but over 2 years. So it's 150 million for the state. Um 35A5 which is a early literacy piece is going away. Uh section 41 an increase of about $6 per pupil. And then section 51E has to do with special ed and um an increase there. So, so overall you hear $442, but what it really ends up being, and this is with unrestricted and restricted, is $290. Um, I will say I when I did see this though, and this is this here in my opinion is a testament to the work that um a lot of the work that John did um this summer as we tried to see where where we could save some money um without impacting our staff. in terms of layoffs. So that 41 million too
030on the salaries line has the 804,000 baked in there that you know that's the 804,000 is the amount right now that they're estimated to give us for that 27 L. So it's in the revenue and it's in the expenditure. Okay. >> Very concise. Thanks. >> Questions. All right. Appreciate it. Keep us in the loop as things continue to to shake out. Right. >> Yeah. I do anticipate having an amendment to you. It'll be different than normal years. I think we're going to bring it before um we go on to our break. Straighten out. >> The auditors are next meeting. >> Yep. the 17th. Yep. >> Thank you. >> Any discussion on this? Are we good? >> All right. Uh 4B, Trune updated policies, the first reading. uh shared those out with you guys um a
031couple of times and um the ma vast majority of the things that are in there are clerical in nature but obviously there are some some things that have shifted a bit and so just want to give an opportunity to ask questions if I don't have answers I can go find them for a second reading um but fire away >> I got some notes John Okay. >> Sorry. >> Why? >> Title 9 is so long. >> It is a long policy. >> It is. >> While you're sifting through yours, I'm going to pull my folder back up. >> Okay. 3 3115A >> under the definitions. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Under 17 >> and I'm just looking for clarification here. >> Um we have sexual orientation, >> gender identity or expression. >> Yep. >> Is that
032due to the state law? >> Yeah. The >> Okay. Now you're fighting federal law, right? So, how does Title N >> Uhhuh. >> How does the state law and the federal law title N come into play here? >> Got it. Um, we have both the obligation to follow Title 9, which is anything that's related to sex, race, etc. But then in the definition of this, they're pulling in the pieces that also fall under the Elliot Larson Act to help make sure that we're defining that both under the Title 9 Law and the Elliot Larson Act, which were bound to follow under both sides of it. >> And if you look the way that that one is written, they had things in parentheses previously. >> Yes. And so it's the same language just taking out a
033parenthesy and and adding in commas from what we had approved before because the only blue there is the the sex comma sexual orientation instead of sex parenthesis including gender identity or expression sexual orientation or pregnancy. >> I understand that but there's only a left PN J. >> What's that? >> There's there was only a left PN in there. Right. I must have deleted the other one. >> Yep. >> All right. >> But it was in parenthesis there before. >> Got it. Thanks, John. >> Mhm. >> Uh 5407. >> Yeah. >> Um so I got a couple things on this. >> Okay. So under 5407, there is this form 5407F. >> Yeah. um for the parents to be able to object to curriculum and the whole thing is transparency. >> Correct. >> So what I decided
034you was try and find it on the website. >> Okay. >> And what I found is I couldn't find it. >> You couldn't find the 5407 on our website? >> I tried. It's not it's a new policy because it's in it's in response to the MMood and Taylor uh ruling that happened over the summer. So if you look at if you look at the that's why it's not in there yet policy >> and that's all well and good. That's great cuz what it called me to do is it check out the the parent resources area under curriculum and instruction. And the interesting thing on that is there are four areas here, five actually. Um, but when it comes to the links, one link has got a copyright of 2006 or a revision date and the
035other three are 2010. And I would think since 2010, don't you think after 15 years some things would have changed? So just it might be something we want to update. >> You mean on our curriculum guide for sex ed >> for parents? No, this is just on the website. Our website. >> On our website. Okay. >> The links for parent toolkits. >> Mhm. >> Last revised 2010. >> Make sense? >> Yep. And >> it's more of a Scott thing, but >> Yeah. But I understand what you're saying. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yep. >> Okay. Oh, under 5405, John. >> Uh-huh. >> It goes on. Would you also want to remove C? because you you've got A B C. You're removing everything. The only thing left in C is a partial sentence that says and encouraging volunteer
036work at school as appropriate. I'd have to find out why they kept that separate. That was their marked change. My guess is they were trying to separate the volunteer work and have it stand out as its own piece, but I can get clarity on that if you want. >> Yeah, it's it's just a partial sentence. That's fine. >> Yep. >> Question is. And then starting on the next page, it says list additional actions. And there's quite a few of those or list materials in training. When will those be filled in? >> Yeah, that's part of the making sure that we have a very clear understanding for our parents of when you come in and look at title N pieces, what does that all look like? And I didn't I didn't have that available when we
037put this through. So, >> okay. Okay. Thank you. Uh 5407F. Um this is the whole website thing. Uh 3115. You already answered that as previous. Okay. firearms and weapons. >> Yeah. So, under notice, the district will annually distribute the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services notice concerning the best practices for safe storage of firearms to the parent or legal guardian of each student enrolled. Explain to me why that's even necessary. >> Word required by law under the safe storage. We actually put that in the handbook. We We actually send that to parents. I just did not not too long ago here. >> Yeah. >> He sent it as a district email, but we're required by law under safe storage to send them out. >> He just answered the question. Oxford. >> Enough said. Um
0384221. I'm glad you do that, by the way. I'm really glad you sent that out. >> Um, when I'm looking at this, I guess here's my notes. Hopefully, that's all going to jump to me. It says, "Is there any consideration to incorporate guidelines on display of religious, political, or social posters, messages?" So, I think I'm tying back into our guidelines, our district guidelines. >> Yep. >> Is there any way I mean, how long is this going to be active, Raj? Is this like permanent? Your guidelines that you came up with a couple years ago? >> Um, they permanent till the board says otherwise. >> Would it make sense to make this a policy? >> Um, we could look into that. True. I I just think reading this under speech and it's so top of mind
039for everybody these days. >> Sure. >> Is is that somehow an incorporation into this? >> Yeah. >> To some degree >> because I think staff forget about the guidelines at times. >> We uh we do remind them every year. >> Yeah. Good guidelines. >> Good. Good. Good. >> And our our principles do a good job of reminding them periodically, too. >> In fact, I just sent them some information on how to do that. Well, with the holidays coming up. >> Yeah. >> And then my got two more. I think this is under Family Medical Le 4106. the earned sick time ESTA. That's Michigan, correct? >> Yep. >> Got it. All right. >> Yeah. It used to be the paid medical leave act. >> Yep. >> And now it's replaced by ESTA. And >> thankfully, we
040already had things in place that were in excess of what we were doing with ESTA. So we didn't have to change how we track things other than to make sure that our employees before we have employees that were under 15 hours a week they were not earning any acrals because paid medical leave act didn't require it. Now under ESTA they are. So [snorts] >> okay uh last one 5421. >> Mhm. Um in this in the added text there is an acronym and the acronym is not described doesn't tell me what it is where at the beginning you have WBL which is workbased learning. >> Yep. >> But CTE is not defined. >> I got you. >> Career technical education. >> Yeah. >> Just need it in the policy. >> Yeah. Yeah. I I can add
041that in as as an edit for us because it doesn't substantively change that. So, >> yeah. >> All right. Thanks, Jen. >> Yeah. >> I want to do my due diligence. >> I appreciate that. >> Any other comments, questions? >> All right. Thank you, >> Mr. Thanks for doing the title game this summer. >> We moved a lot of hearts. >> All right. On the 4C 31 AAA funds back to Heather. >> Well, actually back to Roger. >> Okay. >> And Heather will chime in where we So, just wanted to update you. As you can see, we did and I sent you a communication this morning. changed your agenda because as soon as I sent the board packet out, well, not as soon, but a few hours later, uh, got an update that MDE was
042going to extend um the 31A um acceptance deadline to November 30th, which has taken place. So, that gives us plenty more time, which is good. Um, it sounds like the legislation is looking at doing an amendment to uh the how this is written and they're going to address the waiver of privilege and allow attorney client privilege to remain intact. So, I'm told um in all matters. uh and they're going to address what um what is determined to be a mass casualty event within the language. Um, you know, it was written with Oxford in mind, but when you look at mass casualties, when they talk about three or more, I mean, >> you know, that could be a lot of different things. And uh I think um you know the the history piece of Oxford and
043the state wanting to help investigate and then having um not having some of the hoodie to be privileged to some things. Um, I think you brought this out in the 11th hour and and I also, like I had mentioned, I think in your board update, if not another time, you know, uh, most of the legislation did not know about this language. Um, so it it has caused some disruption, I think, from a variety of of people. Uh so I applaud them for taking a step back for extending the deadline uh from the MDE side of things and for the governor and the legislation to look at it and uh you know look at some things. The iron ironic thing about this is, you know, if we gave up attorney client privilege and let's say there
044was uh such an event that happened at Oxford, the person or persons who would commit that mass casualty would still have attorney client privilege. >> Yet our school district wouldn't. That is just mind-boggling to me how how that language got into uh this budget because it it just I I just I can't wrap my head around that. >> So, they were trying to in some way have the ability to be more involved in the investigation. Is that what it sounds like they were trying to achieve? >> They maybe you know more Joe than that. It just sounds it sure sounds like it. It sounds like they want instant access to everything that's available. >> Well, I I think the big issue for them at least in in and it's I think you can use Oxford,
045but I think there's other examples of when you have something a major event, a mass casualty or something pretty traumatic. Um, sometimes school districts um will buckle down and uh not always be transparent in discussing things. And so I think it's from what I can understand it's that balance of we need to have answers. You know the state needs to learn like what happened here so that we can make improvements >> but at the same time right you also have to give districts protections. And so what I'm thinking is they were probably trying to because I do know that there was the issue with Oxford right they would not allow a state investigation. So there's still a lot of questions out there. Um, >> so almost like an OSHA type situation, right? Where you have
046an ocean and OSHA can [clears throat] full access. I mean, not to that, right? But all of a sudden you got to open up and be um Yeah. >> Right. Right. And so it's I think it was like how do we have this balance? And I think the language was just >> incredibly broad. >> Um, and there's so many sort of like when they use the word may, >> you're like, well, that means they might do this, but it doesn't mean they have to. And so I think that leads a lot of questions about what could be those implications. >> I don't think the language was well thought out. >> No, I don't think so. I think it was quitch. >> Uh my personal opinion, I'll say probably would violate some constitutional rights. >> Um
047but I'm glad I applaud them for taking a step back and saying, "Yeah, maybe we better look at this. you, you know, approach this different, look at the language differently and take some time because we were all obviously under pressure to >> I mean with the time >> to uh figure this out and fortunately we have more time now and they have more time to >> instead of a um you know a snap decision in 11th hour of a budget to really look at it and try to make sense of it. Did you have a chance to talk to other superintendents in the area? >> Same boat or >> Yeah, everybody across the state. Uh we talked about this and yeah, it was it it's tough because I mean you saw the budget. >> It's
048we need that money. It's the difference between >> um being a little ahead maybe there and being behind and and uh we need that money plus we need that money for what it goes to. M >> um I mean and then the ironic thing is if you didn't take the money and let's say you had to cut security stuff and then let's say something happens then you're in the same boom you're I mean so >> it yeah frustrating but anyway I'm again I'm just glad they >> I'm glad they took a step back. I applaud them for that and we'll we'll see where it goes. It's it's um a very dynamic opportunity to review state versus local control. >> Mhm. >> It's the one thing that has been pulled from schools for so many years.
049And in this situation, they're actually putting a carrot in front of you to say, "Do you want to give up control?" >> And that's the dastardly piece of this. >> Yes. But I think it also would have exposed us to like a lot of frivolous litigation too. >> It could have just opened Pandora's box in that regard. >> Right. >> Yeah. And then the whole definition of the mascot could be a plus. Right. >> Right. I mean and unfortunately those happen. So >> great. >> Happened today in >> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. >> Yeah. So, >> any other items to discuss on 31A funds? Nope. All right. Seeing there's no public comment, uh, the next regular meeting of the Granville Board of Education will be Monday, November 17th, 2025 at 7:00 p.m. at the administration building.
050We are adjourned.