001[Music] Hey, [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] hey, I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. Item 1B, approval of the agenda. Items for discussion. I move that the agenda for the 23rd June 23rd 2025 special meeting be approved. Support motion by Mr. Keller. Support by Mr. Campbell. Any discussion on the motion? Okay. Hearing none. Mr. Scott? Yes. Mr. Goleski? Yes. Mr. Keller? Yes. Mrs. Oh, Mr. Campbell. Yes. And I am a yes. Motion passes. Item 1 C, approval of minutes June 16, 2025. I move that the minutes of the June 16, 2025 regular meeting be approved. Support. Okay. Motion by Mr. Keller, supported by Mr. Campbell. Is there any discussion? All
002right. Hearing none. Mr. Scott, yes. Mr. Gooleski, yes. Mr. Keller, yes. Mr. Campbell, yes. And I Yes. Motion carries. Superintendence report. Just wanted to say thank you for those that are here today to interview for a board seat and thank you for being interested in being a part of the H Heartland Consolidated School District. Thank you, Chuck. Uh Renee, do you have any cards for a call to the public? Okay, thank you. All right, moving on to item 2A, board candidate interviews. Um before our candidates, um before we start the interview process, I just wanted to hit a couple of highlights about the process that we'll use tonight. Um all of the candidates except the first um which I believe is Mr. Patilla to start. Um we'll be escorted to a conference room down the
003hall and then you'll wait for your interview time. I believe Renee, will you go down and get the next person when we're ready for the next one? Um each board member will ask the candidates one to two questions. They'll be the same questions that we ask for each interview. And then after tonight's interviews, um a special meeting has been scheduled for the board to vote on the appointee. Um that meeting is Tuesday, July 1st, right here at 6:30. I think that's everything. I think we can get started. Sure, if you want to. Just thought you look Welcome, Mr. Patilla. Thank you for participating tonight and for your interest in joining the board. Um, before we get started with the interview questions, I just wanted to ask I would just like to ask you to please
004confirm that you live in the school district in H Heartland School District and that you are a registered voter. Yes. Awesome. All right. Then, Mr. Keller, you've got the first question. Uh, good evening, Mr. Patilla. All right. Could you please describe your current or recent involvement with the H Heartland School District? Well, at the board, I've always been very involved with uh with the the school district as a whole since my kids. I I've had uh my oldest graduated what, four years ago. My middle daughter graduated a couple years ago, and then I have a daughter that's a uh will be a senior this coming year. So, I've always been really involved with with their education, parent conferences, whatever, keeping up to date on what they were doing, but more so with the board just
005in the last couple years since CO, I guess. [Music] Uh, as a potential board candidate, please explain why you are seeking this seat now and describe what you see as your role if you are chosen as a board of education member. The seat came up. I I I thought about running in the last election and I kicked it around and for a variety of reasons I some personal reasons I I uh decided not to do it but um now the opportunity came up to to help out and uh I could do it now and uh yeah so I decided to step up and do it. I think my role as a board member is just to uh to represent all students. always been ever since I've been involved with the board, like I say, since
006about co it's just about treating all students the same. Every student, in my view, and I've said this many times in front of you guys, but in my view, every student is one of 5,000 students, not deserving of any better or any lesser treatment than anybody else. I mean, I see everybody. So, as a board member, I'd be there for for all students. Can you tell us about a time when you had to support an unpopular decision or describe a time when you took a principled stance that placed you in the minority? Well, I served I served uh five years on the Kensington Valley Hockey Association uh board of directors in a variety of roles, VP, house director, ACE director. But there came a time, this is about uh what maybe 8, nine, 10 years
007ago now, USA hockey, which is the national sanctioning body, uh was really pushing for cross ice hockey for little kids, just a smaller ice surface and whatever. So I didn't, as a travel director, I didn't really see that as there was a lot of people opposed to it as a one-sizefits-all. It was more I felt being on the board that it was more um you know some kids it was good for some kids definitely kids in a lower skill level but then for some kids it wasn't as desirable. So but the board voted to go that way to so I I took on the role of in designing the program to fit KV and to uh to implement it there. In addition to that, I I took it upon myself because a lot of parents
008were there they didn't feel their kids were uh they felt there was a lot of politics and their kids weren't given an ample opportunity to participate at a higher level. So me and a couple other board members set up additional training and uh we worked with the kids a couple nights a week to uh try to bring them their skill level up where they could get on a higher level team. So that was all part of that cross cross ice thing. Like I say, I didn't agree with it across the board, but for certain kids, it was good. Sorry about that. Mr. Excuse me. I'm going to actually use my mic here. If you were to be appointed, how would you help to build the team dynamic between the board and other areas of the
009school district, including administrators, teachers, staff, etc. I I I think well, I really like Mr. Keller's uh program or I think I think Mr. Keller came up with it with the program of uh each of you taking on a school and visiting that school. But I think that is a phenomenal idea. But I I think it would work out good too to to to do it just to uh you know all levels of the organization whether it be uh you know from the top to the bottom just to maybe have offsites or just open communication with uh you know but I I really like for the from the teachers perspective. I mean I like the program you guys have where you visit the school and I I think that's really good and maybe we can
010do more of it. Is there a recent board decision that you did not agree with? And if so, how would you have voted and why? Yeah, this might not be popular with some of you, but no, the last board meeting the uh I think this supplementing the sheriff's department road patrol to me maybe it ends up there and maybe that's a good decision. I just think it should have been postponed. I would have voted no. let's negotiate with them a little more and and put that money that we save we could put into the into the kids uh whatever higher additional help for the kids for I know a while back I was in a meeting with Chuck and uh one of his um little meetings that he was having with parents and uh there's
011a lady that stood up her her child was really struggling with reading and there was no money in it to help that kid out. So I just think we could use that money if we had we negotiated with them. We could use that money towards putting it into the the kids education, you know. So I would have voted no in the end. It might I think it's probably a good idea. I just would have liked to see it postponed and um you know try to negotiate with them. Another thing can I bring up one more? Okay. One thing that's always bothered me coming to these board meetings, obviously I come to just about every meeting, but um is things not being added to the agenda when they're brought up by a board member. So myself,
012if I was sitting on the board, you guys are all elected by the public. And if you guys think it's important enough to put on the agenda, I think it should be a no-brainer. And I think I I would guess I I don't have the stats, but I would guess 95% of the time it gets shot down, right? But I think if if any one of you think it's important enough, it should be talked about, should be discussed. So that's one thing as on the board, I would say, yeah, you you want to talk about it, let's let's do it. You know, if you were appointed, what do you think the top three priorities of the board should be? top three I would say uh academic excellence um and I not only academic excellence but
013maintaining that I know I sat on the as many of you are aware I I went to the uh strategic planning I was part of that committee that offsite that we did and I I was kind of surprised we didn't have a lot of time to dissect all the data but at times we looked real good and then a couple grades later we're not so good right so I I think one of the board's things is to, you know, get that excellence up there and to maintain it across all 12 years. But that and I would say safety and uh uh retaining good teachers. I I think the teachers uh you know um yeah, I think it's important to retain good teachers. I I my kids have all went through they happened to go to
014Creekide Elementary and uh man I can't say enough actually all the way up but um I they they didn't have any bad teachers. It was uh I can't say enough about Creekide in particular because that's a elementary. I know my son initially when he was in first grade or whatever he had some speed I can't even recall what the speech thing was but I didn't recognize it but they picked up on it. They had him in speech therapy for a year or whatever, straightened it out, he was good to go, you know. So, it was something that I didn't even know and they picked up on it. So, I can't say enough about Creekide in particular, and I'm sure all the elementaryaries are good, you know. In what ways do your online and other public
015actions support the image of the district? I do very little online. I'm not a big uh I I I use marketplace but I don't I don't do a lot of Facebook. Um I I guess I but I I do I do like to comment on uh you know if I see see kids academically or sporting events I'll put comments in there. Hey, great job. Well done. Whatever. But uh so I like to see that stuff. But I I don't have a huge um presence on social media. I just Okay. And Mr. Patella, um, please describe what you feel is the proper role that parents should play in shaping policy and curriculum for a school district. in detail. I I think they should play the biggest role. I I think uh I think they should be
016really involved in it. I know a lot of it obviously comes from the state level on on mandatory stuff they have to teach, but I think they play a huge role. And in my view, the school district gets our kids from from grade five through 12 and they get them seven hours a day on loan to to go there and be taught the basics. To me, you know, math, English, science, history, teach the basics and I I think the rest of the stuff is is should be left to the parents. So I think the parents play should play a big role, huge role. I guess I would say the biggest role in in uh in in their kids' education. I realize some parents aren't as involved, but uh they should be encouraged to to get
017involved because at the end of the day when our parent after the district's done with them after after 12th grade and they go on, Yeah. we're left to we got to live with these kids for the rest of our life. So, no, you just want to raise them with your morals and values and have some input on what they're being taught, I guess. Okay. Awesome. All right. Well, that those are all the questions that we have for you. Okay. So, you can step down and um will Renee go over and get the next or did you Okay. Awesome. Want me to leave? You are welcome to stay if you would like to. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks. should have brought a couple pens. I know, right? I have I have some spares if you
018need them. Good evening. Oh, hello, Mr. Horst. Thank you for joining us. Oh, thank you for having me. Um, we appreciate you being here and we appreciate your interest. Um, before we get started with the interview questions, I just want to ask you to please confirm that you are a H Heartland School District resident and a registered voter. Yes to both. Okay. Awesome. Thank you. All right, Mr. Keller. Welcome, Mr. Horse. If if you could please describe uh your current or recent involvement with the H Heartland School District. Uh current recent probably more specific. My youngest son is going to be a sophomore in college. So, uh, I have three graduates, class of 19, class of 21, and class of 24. Um, and so, uh, during that time, the last eight years or so, uh,
019I was heavily involved in the music program at the high school. Um, I was the treasurer for eight years for the, um, band boosters organization. Uh all three of my children kind of really loved uh band and participated all four years at the high school and so that consumed most of my recent time. When they were younger I was in high and coached and did all those sorts of things but most recently in the last decade it's been banned. I was the band dad I guess one would say. At least I fancied myself that. As a potential board candidate, please explain why you are seeking this seat now and describe what you see as your role if you are chosen as a board of education member. So repeat the first part if you would please.
020For sure. And I'm looking at Mr. Hughes, but I know that's not right. So it's Mr. Camp. Yeah. So thank you. Um first part uh basically why are you seeking this seat now? Yeah. So, with with my son now uh off to college and and a year under his belt, you know, my wife and I talked about got a little bit of time on our hands to do some other things and I wanted to be able to give back in some way. The the H Heartland District has really uh and the environment, the community uh really benefited my family immensely. I've got three wonderful graduates that are off doing wonderful things. and the whole phrase of to whom much is given much is expected and I feel like the community has given a lot to
021the horse family and so in some small way I hope to be able to give back in that way. Um I think my education, my career choices, um uh my involvement in the school up to this point have helped equip me to maybe help contribute and maybe the second part of your question of what I uh helped to do there. Um I have a background in firstly designing laboratories and then helping Ford Motor Company run them and operate them and the last dozen 15 years help supervise teams that do that. So, I'd like to think I have some unique talents and skills related to team design and operations management and dealing with unions with our UAW partners, dealing with PhDs and laboratory design and engineers and automotive testing and all of the things that that
022are required to deliver good test results and good research and hopefully next generation technology for Ford Motor Company. So, I'd like to think I can bring those skills into a new environment, help the board, u help set policy, be a sounding board for administration in those areas where I feel I can contribute. Good evening, Mr. Horse. Can you tell us about a time when you had to support an unpopular decision or describe a time when you took a principled stance that placed you in the minority? Um yeah, a difficult uh situation that I I think I can comment on. Um I served as secretary to my church board uh happened to be Shepherd Lakes Lutheran Church um in the vicinity and we unfortunately um it was uncovered that our senior pastor was misappropriating funds. and
023as a member of that board um and being uh in a Christian environment and talking about forgiveness and talking about things of that nature. Initially I was a bit of in the minority when yes we can give forgive in a Christian sense but there are also civil and criminal things at play. And so that was a difficult stance to take within a congregation of fellow believers and trying to help that board navigate how do we address that tragic situation for lack of a better term. and how do we navigate that to keep the church together, keep us focused on what is most important for that that body, that community, while still making sure that uh that wrongdoing was held accountable in the eyes of of criminal uh proceedings. and and so that was diff that
024whole two-year ordeal uh was was difficult and um helped build consensus within that board and within the community uh of that church community and and um unfortunately there was prison time involved and things of that nature um for the senior pastor but that that but in the end I think the church is healed and here we are several years later and in a much better position. Hello, Mr. Horst. Greetings. Um, if you were to be appointed, how would you help to build the team dynamic between the board, administrators, teachers, staff? How would you go about that? Um, listen, listen. Um, it would be kind of a watch word for me. Um, I'm a quiet person by nature. I like to gather data. I'm an engineer by training, um, as you probably have seen in my
025resume. And so I like to think that I'm data driven. I gather data uh and then listen and then in a collaborative way with other stakeholders that have the ability to make decisions then use that data use the information that I've listened to to then come to an to an agreement. Um in the automotive world we're highly metric driven. You're you're making money. are are are you developing things? Are you bringing things to market? And so so gathering data to help one make decisions that then meet those metrics is really at the heart of what I I is my thought process of of building a community. I mentioned our union partners, you know, in terms of listening to their needs. We may not always agree um with our union partners, but we work with them.
026We have national and local contracts. And so we we listen, we gather data and then we find a solution that works as best as possible for all of the stakeholders in the scenario. Thank you. Uh is there a recent board decision that you did not agree with? And if so, how would you have voted and why? That's a great question. Um a recent board decision that I would have to disagree with. I I can't think of one. Um the the only one that I can think of is is and this dates it a little bit. Uh when it came to the most recent bond issue, uh at say the 90% mark, I liked where the funding went to. There were probably differences of of opinions uh in terms of personally where I would have wanted
027some of the funding to go to. Uh very much supported all you know the vast majority of it. Uh and I think the administration mostly got it right. How would I have voted differently? That's a little bit harder to say because obviously you're presented as a board kind of a here's the plan and you voted up or you voted down. I certainly would have supported the bond issue and I voted for it and I supported at the 90% mark. I guess thinking about some of the details I I may have had some differences of opinion but again that that probably is neither that's not an probably a great answer to your question but that's the one thing that I can think of. If you were appointed what do you think the top three priorities of
028the board should be? So, um, financial stability number one. Um, number two, staff and board policy continuity to the extent that that can be done in an everchanging world. Um stability both financially and in personnel matters helps bring people as applicants. They want a stable environment to work within. I think ch parents want a stable environment for their children to learn in. Um so uh you asked for three. So stability financially um stability in staffing uh and personnel and then good curriculum development as as the board is responsible for that ultimately. Um I think that's really the heart of where the board is uh in terms of making sure that that is in place policy financial personnel so that the administration can then effectively carry out what the board is asking it to do. In
029what ways do your online and other public actions support the image of the district? um online um limited. I have a LinkedIn account because a former boss of mine made me get one. Uh and other than that, I I I think I have a Facebook account and I got it 10 years ago because my kids were in the band and that was a way to listen to them. But so other than that, I don't have a social media presence. Uh again, I'm a I'm a quiet person. I tend to be private by nature. Um but in terms of my physical uh outward in person um I felt I represented boosters well um when I was with the band uh and talking to the hundreds of families that had band students um you know go to
030all of the athletic events and and to watch and enjoy and and one behaves oneself when doing those things. And yes, cheer for Heartland, but make sure that you're doing it in a responsible manner. Um, attending parades, being present uh at all of those things. I I think that that's kind of part of the community that draws people to Heartland is is just the presence of all of those different things, whether it's athletic or music or drama. Um, that's how I kind of lived, you know, a little bit through my children, admittedly in terms of all of the band performances, but also the drama things that were fantastic and the athletic events that that didn't participate in, but were fun to go to and have been fun to go to. Mr. Mr. Horst, please describe
031in detail what you feel is the proper role that parents should play in shaping policy and curriculum for a school district. Shaping policy. So, a couple different ways. One is to vote for who they want to be on the board. Uh it is ultimately the board's responsibility to shape the policy that the administration is going to carry out. Um, I'm a huge believer in parental involvement, which is a little bit of a correlary to your question, Mr. It's not a policy part necessarily, but advocating for things, talking to board members about what they feel is important. Uh, I guess one could call that advocacy. um a individual parent wanting to write policy and saying this is how it must be u that's one input. It's a data input from from the public. It is up
032to the board to take that make sure it jives with the various laws that govern that particular thing. Um and so advocacy um at a lower level perhaps and maybe this is deviating a little bit from your question. Um engaging with the teachers of their children to ensure that they understand what the teachers have to do relative to curricula, relative to um conflict resolution or or anything that might a policy might govern. and making sure that the parent is firstly engaged with the teacher and if necessary an assistant principal or a counselor or another staff member and ultimately it could go to to the senior administration I suppose um that's not really maybe the heart of your question in terms of developing policy but in terms of what do they want to see their district
033do relative to their own children I guess this may be a different way to that I'm choosing to maybe answer your question is absolutely be with their children, go to their children's events, meet with teachers, engage with teachers to the extent that maybe that doesn't work for all families all of the time. There's then the backs stopping and and so on. I guess I'm repeating myself, but I I see from a parental engagement perspective, that's that's where the rubber meets the road for me. Good. Okay, that was the last question. So you are welcome to stay if you would like to watch the other interviews or you are free to go. Thank you so much. Thank you so much for your time. Hello, Miss Custodio. Thank you for joining us and for your interest. Um,
034before we get started with the interview questions, I just want to ask you to confirm, are you a resident of H Heartland Schools and are you a registered voter? I am a resident of H Heartland Schools as well as a registered voter. Awesome. Thank you, Mr. Keller. Hi, Miss Custodia. Welcome. um if you could please describe your current or recent involvement in with the Harland School District. Yes. So um when my children started in the district, I started at the elementary level with motor moms and helping with some PTO, moving up, um into the high school as my schedule allowed. got more involved and was on the H Heartland High School football board and then um on the cheer board and then recently took over doing the gold out for the district. Thank you. Thank
035you. Hey, good evening. Uh, as a potential board candidate, please explain why you are seeking this seat now, and describe what you see as your role if you're chosen as a board of education member. So, I'm seeking this position now because I have two children, one of which graduated last year, and I have a daughter coming up. Uh, H Heartland Schools has done a lot for my family. My children have flourished. So, I would like to give back. I do other things within the community, but this is another layer of that involvement that I can have in giving back to the community that has given so much to my children, my family. I would see my role as being able to continue to support the district at all levels and being able to um be
036a voice as well. Good evening. Uh, can you tell us about a time when you had to support an unpopular decision or describe a time when you took a principled stance that put you in the minority? Yes. So, I think you guys especially know anytime you serve in a position, there's always going to be people who disagree. And I think that's where your morals and your values have to come into play. I had a situation where on the football board there were some discrepancies and I think it's important to always listen to everybody's views. I think that is extremely important but I think it's also important to always lead with um what is right and follow what you what you're what you know is ethically correct. So, we had a situation um obviously not going
037to go into depth on that, but there was a situation that had a lot of people divided and I had us all get together and have a discussion. It didn't mean that everyone was going to agree, but at least everybody was going to hear everybody's stance. So, definitely been in that position. I will add to that too that I think communication is key in all of these situations. I think a lot of the problems that we have can be solved or at least understood by adequate communication. Hello. Hello. If you were to be appointed, how would you help to build the team dynamic between the board and the administrators, teachers, and staff? That's a great question. I think it's important that we use the word team. As you said, we're we're all stakeholders in it
038for the right reason of doing what is best for students, what's best for the community, and what is best for students. Students should be at the forefront of that. So I think working together collaboratively, listening and communicating with all stakeholders, parents included, is extremely important. Thank you. Um, is there a recent board decision that you did not agree with and if so, how would you have voted and why? Um, so there are there are some, but um, I think it's being in the public is one way. You don't necessarily have all the information in front of you. So I think it's easy to disagree on certain stances, but we don't necessarily have all the information. Sometimes there might be budget decisions that are made, but we don't necessarily have all the same information. or there
039might be conversations that you guys have had with Mr. Hughes or Mr. Minsker about curriculum that we may not have. So, um I think each situation is on a case- by case basis. Sorry, I was finishing my notes there. Apologies. Um, if you were appointed, what do you think the top three priorities of the board should be? I think safety. I think uh student and teacher retention. We need to keep our students keep um the district a place that students want to come to for school of choice. Um we need to keep our teachers and support staff and I think opportunities for students. Not all students have the same um things that drive them. Some students it might be sports, some students it might be robotics, some students it might be some of the LESA
040programs like aviation. And I think it's really digging into all of those and making sure there's ample opportunities for all students. In what ways do your online and other public actions support the image of the district? um online. I would definitely say that um I follow as many of the different H Heartland pages as I can. Sometimes it's easier to find than others. Trying to be involved and supportive. Additionally, going to other events, other sporting events. Um making sure that again it's not just something that's said, but something that's lived. supporting all students and um I think being an advocate and a supporter of what is happening in the district. Okay, one last question. Please describe what you feel is the proper role that parents should play in shaping policy and curriculum for a school
041district. So I think that parents are definitely stakeholders. Parents are the first educators at home. I do think that in education, coming from an education background myself, it is extremely important that all decisions are well-rounded decisions, ensuring that they are meeting the curriculum, meeting the state standards, um making sure that we're making choices that are best for teachers in the classroom, students, and I think that there is a parent voice that's important, but parents can't be the only driving decision. Okay, that's all the questions that we have for you. You are welcome to stay and watch the rest of the interviews or you're free to go as you wish. Thanks so very much. Thank you so much. Thank you. Hello, Dr. Austin. Thank you for coming. Thank you. Thank you for having me. Thanks for
042taking the time out for this special meeting. I know it's a lot of work. I appreciate it. Thank you. And thanks for your interest. Um before we start with the um interview questions, I just want you to please confirm you're a resident of Hartland School District. I am. And a registered voter? I am. Perfect. All right, Mr. Keller. Hello, Dr. Austin. If you could please describe your current or recent involvement with the H Heartland School District. Okay. Um well, first and foremost, I am a graduate of Hartland um Consolidated Schools a long time ago. So I am a product of the school system here as are my two brothers. We moved from Detroit public schools to Hartland. So that was quite a change. Uh lot of differences and diversity. Um as well as uh trying
043to integrate with such a different type of uh area compared to the urban area. This is was more rural at the time. Um additionally I have two sons. One graduated in 2023. the other graduated just this year. In addition, we also had a H Heartland um graduate in the year 2024. He was a Swedish foreign exchange student that we hosted for the year. So, I've attended the last three graduations for Hartland Consolidated Schools. I've done a lot of work um with Hartland Consolidated. I've interacted with many of you on the board as well as with some of the teachers and parents of this district ensuring that uh certain initiatives were carried out. One of the biggest things that I experienced through Hartland Schools myself is that it gave me an opportunity that I probably wouldn't
044have had had we not moved to this district. It's a a wonderful school district. We turn out amazing students. Um, and I really like the the educational offerings that Hartland has because it appeals to multiple learners. My brother being a special ed student here at H Heartland had a very different education experience, but he was able to achieve great success in his life after graduating from H Heartland. My other brother dropped out of Hartland High School and he was able to achieve his GED and he has achieved great success in his life. My two boys are not school people. They do not enjoy academics, but they were able to uh experience some amazing classes. As a matter of fact, my younger son just had his graduation party on Saturday and he received a lot of
045money and he's like, "I wish I had Mr. Oak's class right now so I could learn how to invest this money or he could tell me and give me advice on how I'm going to invest it." And both of my kids because of some of those offerings have already started their own investment accounts. And I just think that's really a testament to appealing to multiple learners and to the diverse learning needs of all of our student population. The other thing I truly appreciate about Hartland Consolidated being a professor at a community college is that Hartland doesn't just appeal to the academics, which I think is very necessary. we have to have basic academics, but they appeal to multiple uh pathways after high school, whether it be the military, the trade schools, community college, especially with
046the new initiatives in Michigan that's supporting parents so they don't have to provide all of the funding upfront. Even though we don't have our own community college, parents will get reduced tuition rates at community colleges, and Hartland does a really good job of reflecting that at their uh back to school nights and at their their planning nights for the seniors. So, okay. Uh, good evening. As a potential board candidate, please explain why you are seeking this seat now and describe what you see as your role if you are chosen as a board of education member. Um, I feel that I have a really unique perspective to offer to this board and to the community. Um, not only am I a professor of nursing and work with the community college district, but I also am um
047somebody that works closely with the union that I belong to. And we have to be able to marry the administrative wants and needs with the needs and wants of our biggest commodity, which is our teachers here in Hartland, which attracts a lot of students here. I also have a unique experience with business. I owned and operated my own business, creating iPhone apps for nursing students. and sold them all across the world. So, I have a a huge love for budget and fiscal concerns and so I would appreciate the opportunity to lend some input on how we can ensure H Heartland continues to operate in the green as opposed to the red. I know right now we don't have the state and the federal uh data yet. I did look over the budget that you guys
048had put out in the uh June meeting or it was actually May. um the meeting minutes aren't posted yet for for the last meeting you had and uh so I would love an opportunity to be able to offer some insight. I think it's really important that we do blend both the needs of the students, the population of our students, especially with safety and their educational needs. We have to fund for technology needs because technology is driving our future here in Hartland. Um, and I believe that we need to also make sure that we are respecting and applauding the teachers who are able to offer our students the best education experience. And being a teacher myself, I really value that. Can you tell us about a time when you had to support an unpopular decision or
049describe a time when you took a principled stance that put you in the minority? I've actually had quite of those experience. Uh probably the biggest minority position was and and many of you already know this because I was a staunch advocate for getting our students back in school and for ensuring they were not wearing masks and were not socially isolated. My stance was very unpopular here in Livingston County. Um because of that stance, I was persecuted both at a personal and professional level. Um, I withtood that persecution and I fought back and thankfully I was able to overturn many decisions at the state level where they were trying to persecute people's licenses both medically and in nursing. Because of that stand, I decided I need to get more involved related to health initiatives. One of
050the biggest things that I think H Heartland consolidated experienced during COVID was the the health department was saying some things, the schools were saying another thing and it didn't seem like there was anyone to point to to figure out what the true data was. So rather than now looking 2020 looking hindsight rather than blaming everybody because my both of my boys suffered greatly through the COVID and as a matter of fact that is when their drop in academics occurred. Um, I saw major social issues with both of my boys as a result of that. They were in their uh sixth and eighth grade years and it was just it was just terrible for them. And that's why I took took such a strong position because I was advocating for my boys. Because of that, I
051did go ahead and get involved in the health advisory committee for Livingston County Health Department. I'm now serving on that committee. Um and our goal is to make sure that if there are any other types of events that happen in the future in Livingston County that there is clear communication from the health advisory committee that we can be the go go between and liaison to ensure that the public knows exactly what is happening and what is being recommended and who is driving those recommendations because it seemed like there was a lot of confusion. Um, my stance was unpopular at the time, but if you look at all the evidence that is out there, my stance was 100% correct and I stand by that. And I am an avid researcher and I am well researched on
052the topics of masks, social distancing, COVID policies, vaccine harms related to the CO 19 vaccine. And I strongly advocated for my students during that time and I think a lot of people took offense to that but it was necessary. I also advocated at my college for all of the employees and for our nursing students to ensure they still were able to have informed consent and able to make their own personal healthc care decisions. Good evening Dr. Austin. Um, I have a question. If you were to be appointed, how would you help build the team dynamic between the board, administrators, teachers, staff? So, I think one of the most important things is we all need to realize we're on the same side. And the side is for the students and our community stakeholders, but the students
053are our ultimate priority. We have to value everybody's role in ensuring the safety and the education of our students. We cannot do it without teachers. We cannot do it without administration. This board, as you see, sit before me is what helps reflect the wants and needs of the community stakeholders. We have to balance all of those things. We can't just say administration is right or teaching is right. As a current department um representative for my nursing department, I oftentimes have to sit in meetings with administration, with union reps, with teachers, and we have to negotiate to make sure that at the end of the day, the students are the ones that win ultimately because it's not about us, it's about them. I strongly believe that if with the right approach and with good consistent discussion,
054we can come to an agreement that will meet everybody's needs. Um, and I would welcome that opportunity. I'm doing great things at my college right now. Um, I'm advocating for some of our faculty. I'm advocating for our department to get a program director, a position that has never been there, but is necessary as we've increased enrollment in our nursing department by well over 110 students every year. Um, I'm advocating through both the union and the administration. And I'm receiving a lot of support from both of those entities because ultimately it's about at the end of the day what are we doing for our students and are we able to do it consistently and with quality or are we not and we have to come to agreements that sometimes are hard especially when you're asking for
055more money or more FTEEs or more things that we know are going to put a constraint on the budget. So, is there a recent board decision that you did not agree with? And if so, how would you have voted and why? Um, let's see. There have been some for sure. Um, let me think of one in particular. Uh, obviously during the COVID era, I had a lot of differences with the board. Um, and again, I was in the minor minority in the board at that time was definitely voting against the things that I brought up. Um, one of the biggest things that I did have a problem with, and I I felt like I portrayed it well enough was, you know, when the superintendent encouraged students to get the CO 19 vaccine so they didn't
056have to wear a mask in school. The very premise to recommend or not recommend a vaccine falls upon an advanced health care provider. And I strongly advocated for that not to be done because we were incentivizing getting the CO 19 vaccine to students who were haven't been able to show their face in many months. It was devastating. And I now have students that have graduated that wish they would have never done it, but they did it because at the time they felt like they had no other choice to be able to get back to some type of freedom. Um unfortunately that decision was not backed by evidence because we know that even with the co 19 vaccine you can still transmit co 19. So regardless you can't um incentivize one group to be able to
057do something and another group not to be able to do something. It it doesn't equal the playing field. Um I do think that the intent was good. I I absolutely think the intent was good as is was most people's intent during that time. But I think we really need to look at evidence before we make rash decisions that do affect our student population. Whether it be it affected them then or whether it continues to affect them 5 to 10 years down the road. Um evidence is is key. We have to have the research to support decisions that we we make. Um we can't just go off on whatever the newest trend is or what everyone's doing. Um, so that would probably be one that really just it just hurt my heart at the time because
058I know students were feeling in such a way that they felt like that was the only way they were going to return to some normaly and it just I it it didn't I didn't end up sitting right with me and I spoke on that. So if you appointed what do you think the top three priorities of the board should be? uh the top three priorities, safety is a priority. We already know that uh safety across the nation is something that we have to uh drive home in our with our schools. Um the others is ensuring that we have competitive programs. I loved in 2024 how we were um we received accolades for our AP classes and our programs here at Hartland Consolidated. Uh just this last year we received really great scores as well from
059uh national um databases. I think Hartland is positioned very well. We're well known in the state of Michigan. Um we have a very competitive school district and it drives people to want to move here. Um I know that the house that is right next two doors down from me sold in one day and that's happening all over Hartland because a we have fantastic schools, b we have a fantastic community. I want to keep it that way. So safety, academics, and the quality of our educational offerings are imperative to continue to motivate people to want to live here in Hartland. In what ways do your online and other public actions support the image of the district? Um, I really try not to have an online um image anymore. I actually kind of deleted most of my
060stuff except for just close friends. The reason being is because the uh um I think number one it gets you nowhere, right? We realize that online it's just a circle of divisiveness and I don't feel that that's helpful. I prefer to do things in the background where you have interactions that can actually affect change. Um we live in an online world. I strongly caution my students to delete all their online profiles before they go apply for a job because you shouldn't really know the positions of certain things with individuals that are seeking out job opportunities or a board position. Um, so I feel like I'm supportive of Hartland Consolidated Schools. I've had both boys go through the soccer program here at Hartland Consolidated. Um, I I would think that my online persona would be positive
061for H Heartland. I have not had an online persona per se that is public in probably about four years. So, I I can't say definitively, but it was a long time ago. And again, it was because I faced a lot of community persecution. So, and lastly, Holly, um, please describe what you feel is the proper role that parents should play in shaping both policy and curriculum for a school district. So, ultimately, when you're dealing with a K through 12 minor child, the parents have to be involved. It is very different when they get to the college level. In the college level, I have to talk directly to my students. I'm not allowed to talk to parents. As a matter of fact, I received a phone call from a parent today and I'm like, I can't
062reach back out to you. That's not appropriate. They're adults. When we have a child learner, we have to make sure the parents are involved in their education. We have to make sure that they're involved in key decisions that affect their child. It's extremely important because the support that you're going to get for that child comes from home first and then we continue to build upon those foundations and those building blocks at the school level. But we have to have teachers interacting with parents, parents interacting with teachers. Curriculum needs to be shaped by the experts in that curricula. there's no way a parent could come into my nursing program and design a curriculum for one of my classes. So, that would probably be beyond the scope of what we would consider for that that uh parent
063interaction. But what is not beyond their scope is getting feedback from the parent. What worked well for your child this year? What didn't work well? What would you like from the teacher or from the school district? How can the board support not only the teachers in being able to provide what their expertise is because that is the true expert, right? But also supporting the families and making sure that they there's transparency between the two. Um for the most part, I would say the curriculum has been very favorable. In the few times that I've had incidences, one in particular, um unfortunately it was a big deal and it had been going on in H Heartland for over 10 years. But it wasn't until myself and other parents recognized it that it got brought to the forefront.
064We have to listen to our community stakeholders to fix those things that may not necessarily be safe or good for our children. Now, that doesn't mean that H Heartland didn't respond because they did. As a matter of fact, I worked with uh the board. I've talked with the board. I worked with uh Mr. Minsker. I w worked with Kate Gregory. And we did come to some good resolutions for that particular situation, but not without first bringing it here and making sure that we were heard. Um, and and I think it's important again that we listen to parents because even the teachers who were involved in the incident, I don't really think they recognized how what types of materials the students were reading because it had been so long maybe since they had read it or
065they read it when they were in college. And so it you need everybody to speak up when there's something wrong so that we can correct those wrongs. So in this particular instance, it was a a a very not appropriate book that was part of the required readings for an English class. And when you highlighted all the examples, I mean it's embarrassing for you to listen to it then why are our children reading it? So but it was resolved. Okay, that was our last question. So thank you very much for participating. Um, you are welcome to stay and listen to their interviews or you are free to go. Okay. Thank you for your time. Thank you. Have a good one. Thank you. [Music] Hello, Mr. Curtis. Welcome. Thank you. Um before we get started with the
066questions, I would just um like to ask you to please verify that you are a resident of H Heartland Community School District. Yes, ma'am. I am. Awesome. And um that you're a registered voter. I am. Awesome. Thank you. Good evening, Mr. Curtis. Could you please describe your current or recent involvement with the H Heartland School District? So, as recently as four years ago, I had my youngest daughter was here. I graduated three daughters from H Heartland from kindergarten through 12. It graduated that the last one was four years ago and then 12 years before that was the first one. So, short of that, that's been my experience. My wife was a gymnastics coach for the H Heartland Academy for many, many years. Short of that, there's nothing else. Thank you. Good evening. As a potential
067board candidate, please explain why you are seeking this seat now and describe what you see as your role if you are chosen as a board of education member. Okay. So, this came to me in a a rather strange way. Again, I told you I have three daughters that have grown and gone on to be very successful women. As much as I like to take credit for me, I recognize that I had this much of a part of the slice of their life and the school had a big part of it. I like I wish I could take the credit. The credit is not only mine, certainly their mother as well, but I have to give credit to the community. What happened was I heard on WHMI a discussion about there being a seat open for
068a temporary position. And while I've had no interest, nor I can promise you I've never been to a board meeting. I've never been interested in it. I've been to different types of meetings, but not specifically board meet uh schoolboard meetings. I was compelled like how could I give back? I've been a member of the community. I've built a business here. I've spent the last 25 years in business here. Having many of the kids that have gone through the school system work for me through the years. And that's kind of what compelled me to put my bid in. nothing more than that other than here's an opportunity to maybe give back to a community that has given quite a bit to me especially seeing it through my children. Thank you for coming Mr. Curtis. Uh can
069you tell us about a time when you had to support an unpopular decision or describe a time when you took a principled stance that placed you in the minority? So, I am a business owner that it's a construction-based business, backyard work, and we took a very different approach at a really young age as to let's not do what other people do and it's a very unpopular way. If you look at business today, you look at the business schools, you look at the any book you read, it's about scale, more, bigger, be be more that you can be, take on more as you can take. And we took the very opposite approach. We said, "Let's turn away 95% of the phone calls that we get and only do the things that we really, really love to
070do." The challenge with that is when a customer who has the finances to do anything that you could want to do for them, having to tell them no is a very unpopular place to be. And I do that all the time. So, I end up in a this minority role of I'm going to say no to the people that are so used to everyone saying yes to them. It's it's put me in a really interesting position to understand that the value of what I bring is only to the people that I want to bring it to as opposed to selling it to everyone. And I would say that's probably more than anything else other than having to make business decisions for all of my adult life. Having to say no when the opportunity to say
071yes is teed up for you and they're begging for you to do business with them and you say no, that puts you in a really minority position. And I I know that feeling pretty well. Hello, Mr. Curtis. Um, if you were to be appointed, how would you help to build the team dynamic between the board, administrators, teaching staff, um, other personnel. So, I don't know how all of this works, but I know how to manage people and I know how to put teams of people together with what I've done over the last 35 years of my career is all about finding the right people for the right seat, doing the right job because they love to do the job, not because they have to. One thing that we did, again, referring back to the company,
072is we never put someone in a position just because we needed to fill it. if they didn't love what they were doing, they didn't belong in that position because they're not going to give everything that they had to give. In our case, we always made sure right butt in the right seat for the right reason. And that's kind of part of what I what I think I could bring to the team. Thank you. Um, is there a recent schoolboard decision that you did not agree with? And if so, um, how would you have voted and why? Again, new to this, there's not a decision that I would say I disagree with. I have to say though, over the course of 25 years in the community, something's gone right in my life with what's been done
073in this room because my girls are testament to the fact that the good decisions were being made and and they've gone on to lead really successful, amazing, beautiful. They were all in the tops of their classes. One was a valator and there were all of those accolades. Those aren't credits that I give myself. Those go to you guys who have made the decisions to help make the school be what it is. So, I don't have a good answer for that because I don't know. If you were appointed, what do you think the top three priorities of the board should be? I would think quality education. And when I when I say quality education, it it's more than book learning. I think education is a multiaceted thing. It's about every child learns in a different way.
074Focusing on different ways to help kids find their way through and become successful adults. That's number one. Secondly would probably be athletics. Uh having good programs. And the reason I think that good programs and athletics matter is I think number one a child and I'll use my I just can use my daughters as examples as gymnasts. They learned poise and grace and and and presence but they also learned how to be a team and yet individual. Most most athletics require both a team element but also a personal element. I watch my girls compete against their own teammates and yet cheer their own teammates on as their own teammate was beating them in their in that in whatever that that endeavor they were doing. And that brings a unique thing to a child's mind is that
075I compete to win but I if I don't win I'm happy for the person next to me who's a teammate who won. And that's why I think athletics are important. It help it creates a team but also creates an individuality. Third thing I think which there's a segment of people that are involved obviously in athletics but then there's a huge member of the community of kids that don't fit into that category. And the third thing to me would probably be afterchool programs of some type because a mind that is bored or not challenged or not being tasked to do something is a mind that gets into all kinds of trouble. You know, just give a kid a reason to be bored and they're going to find all kinds of stuff that none of us as
076parents want to see them find. So extracurricular activity is a huge part of keeping them engaged in learning, growing, changing, and becoming a better human being. In what ways do your online and other public actions support the image of the district? So, while I haven't specifically done anything H Heartland related other than having hired an awful lot of kids that came through the schools to work for me, our online presence is massive. Uh there's probably 5,000 videos of me online talking about my philosophical life experience, my business experience, and the business itself. And all of those would support a good community. So while they haven't been focused on H Heartland per se, they would show a human being that cares about his community, cares about the people around him, and cares about the people that
077are surrounding him. So while it's not specific to Hartland, it's absolutely shows the character of the person that stands in front of you. Mr. Curtis, one last question. um please describe what you feel is the proper role that parents should play in shaping both policy and curriculum for the district. So I I mentioned earlier that I think it's important that there's multiple facets of learning that we don't just learn through a book that we have all of these ways whether it's tactile learning visual learning all of those things our parents know their children. If the parent pays attention, okay, granted not all parents pay attention to what how their children's act and are. But if we learn the baseline of a child and how they act, we can understand how to educate them. And I
078think the parent is a first place to be able to share that with educators is here's how little Billy learns. Here's how my my daughter learns. Here's the things that would help her get through whatever this challenge they're having. So, I think the parents role is really important. Do I think it's the only thing? No. But I think that we should take a parents perspective and at least look at it because again, every parent thinks their child's perfect. I get that. And that's not where we're going. We realize though that every parent has a little bit of a blinder on, but a parent could help us make shape decisions to guide groups of people in the right direction, groups of kids in the right direction. Awesome. Thank you so much. That was the last question.
079You're welcome to stay if you'd like to listen to the other interviews or you're free to go. Thank you very much. Thank you. Hi, Mr. Wallace. Welcome. Thank you. We're happy to have you here. Thanks for your interest. Um, before we get started with the questions, I just would like to ask you to confirm. Are you a resident of H Heartland School District? Yes. And are you a registered voter? Yes. Awesome. All right. Mr. Keller, welcome. Mr. Wallace. Uh, could you please describe your current or recent involvement with the H Heartland School District? Um, yeah. So, I have two kids in H Heartland schools. Um, kindergartener at Village and second grader at Village. Um, they're actually being homeschooled right now as we are on uh a seven-month uh trip across the country. Um, my wife
080is also a teacher in H Heartland uh day schools at War Creek. She teaches seventh grade math. Um, and Mr. Hughes and Miss Gregory was were kind enough to grant her a leave of absence for this semester so we could travel around with our kids while they're at the age where they don't mind being with us to see some of the things that they're learning about in school. Uh good evening. As a potential board candidate, please explain why you are seeking this seat now and describe what you see as your role if you are chosen as a board of education member. Um, so the the timing seems to to fit. Actually, it's probably a little bit sooner, you know, with the the vacancy than waiting for the December 2026 election. Um, up until December of
0812024, I worked full-time in the automotive industry. Um, and part of the reason to do this trip was for me to leave my job. um so we can travel and then when we come back be more of a member in the community doing things you know with the kids field trips coaching being able to spend more time doing those kind of things. So that's kind of why the the timing um and as a board member um part of the role is to be a liazison between the community and the school the school district um to make sure that the voices of this community are being heard. Um, another thing is, uh, checks and balances to the school district that policies are being followed, u policies are being implemented, uh, we're staying up to date with
082any new government regulations, um, things like that that stay in compliance, right? Um, also, um, really to be a positive, um, uh, figure in the in the community. um you know being somebody that uh to look up to for people to look up to um in the community. Um so I think those are some key values of of what the board is here to do. Good evening. Can you tell us about a time when you had to support an unpopular decision or describe a time when you took a principled stance that placed you in the minority? Um yeah so uh when I was the general manager of automotive facility um number of years ago um it was during COVID time um and we all live through that and there's a lot of policies that went
083through that um the vast majority of our population our employees weren't in support of but it was our company mandate that we had to follow and as a general manager of that company working I had to enforce those policies which went against those um opinions of some of my workers. And it was really working with them and communicating with them on why the policies are there and that um you know we really do have the best interests of the employees and you know listen making sure that their voices are heard and what can we do to maybe come to a compromise. How do we make this work for everyone you know? Um, so that was a really trying time to be in charge of a a facility. Good evening, Mr. Wallace. Um, if you were
084to be appointed, how would you help to build the team dynamic between the board, administrators, teachers, staff? Uh, biggest thing is communication and visibility. Um, you know, being a presence, being open. and um listening and not just hearing but listening and and taking action items and how do we take the concerns that we hear from community members or the the staff or administration and how do we remedy those through problem solving? There might not be a perfect solution, but how we come to the best agreement that we can as a team, you know, with collaboration, working together, um, you know, through problem solving exercises. Sometimes you got to, you know, chew up a couple of, I don't say bad ideas, but maybe not the best ideas and take pieces of different ones to come up
085with a good solution. And it takes a full team effort to get everyone's input because that's how you build that road to uh you know a successful policy and partnership. Uh is there a recent board decision that you did not agree with and if so how would you have voted and why? Um the one that comes to mind is the DOJ um contract. And the reason I I don't necessarily support it is I've dealt with government entities, you know, with Eagle and the EPA and I think Mr. Keller brought up the point of we didn't we weren't given a clear goal like you have to get to this level to get out of com you know surveillance. It was kind of wishy-washy and we don't know when we're going to end. And then on top
086of that, it's you need to work with this third party. We can't self monitor. We can't pick our own third party, right? I mean, if we want to work, if they say we got to work with the third party, fine. Well, let us research and quote out and find the the third party that works best for us, right? I think I think, you know, ultimately we had to do something with the DOJ for them to, you know, uh, keep moving forward and and stay in good faith with them. But I think we could have asked more questions and found maybe a solution that worked a little bit better for us. Okay. If you were appointed, what do you think the top three priorities of the board should be? Um I think uh school and student
087safety, you know, keeping our community safe, keeping the students safe. And I mean that that can look a number, you know, resource officers, building security, uh parking lot, you know, routing traffic through parking lots, bus stop safety. Um there's a lot of aspects, right, that are that we need to look at um have policies for and understand um you know what's going on in the community and that's where the community members are a benefit to the board because you guys aren't at every bus stop. You guys aren't at every school during drop off time. You need those eyes and ears so we can come up with solutions. Um the second thing is, you know, curriculum. Let's have a good curriculum that prepares our our students for success in the real world. You know, that they
088are well-rounded, that they know, you know, their multiplication tables and they know, you know, punctuation and they know um, you know, the the presidents of the United States and the 50 capitals of every state. You know, make sure that they know these things at every level. So when they build to the next level to the next level to the next level, they have the right building blocks. I think we sometimes have gaps where we move students along that don't have those right building blocks and you get further and further holes. It's like a tester scheme, right? You have more holes down below and then you get more and more holes up top and now you're you might have a problem with that student later on being prepared, right? So curriculum is is the second um
089pillar and I think you know the banner right there reason, respect, responsibility is really pushed that message um you know um that we we're part of a community and this community is one of the best ones. I mean part of the travels that we've done, we've seen a lot of small towns and we compare everything to H Heartland and it's why we live here. It's why I've lived here my whole life. It's why we came back. We raise our family here because those three Rs mean something. They've been part of our life for 40 years and they they should be continued. In what ways do your online and other public actions support the image of the district? Um, I try not to have much uh social uh media presence. One, because I really don't understand
090it all that well. And two, as a as a board member, um, my opinions might not be the the view of the entire board or the community that I'm supporting. Um, so as a I mean this current role is an elected role, but typically would be elected role as an elected official. You support the voice of the community, not just my personal voice. So I try to not be on social media um that much. I think it's easy to sit behind a keyboard and um type thoughts that might not be the best message to um portray to a community or might be in the heat of emotion and you can't take it back. Once it's out there, you can't take it back. You know, there's a lot of things that we've said in arguments that
091you wish you can take back. Well, that's not in writing. It's not on a computer screen. So, you know, it's a little bit easier to take back once once on it's in social media, it's there. So, you know, you really have to be conscious of what you're you're putting out there because it is a reflection of the board, the community, H Heartland schools, my kids, my family, all that. Sorry, Mr. Wallace. I've got so many notes to take. Yeah, no problem. Um, last question. Please describe what you feel is the proper role that parents should play in shaping policy and curriculum for a district. That's a that's a tough question. Um, parents obviously their primary role is raising their children, right? their their children, but at the same time, they're not trained educators, right? They
092didn't go to, you know, years of school and student teaching to be educators and understanding how to teach kids and what is required in your curriculum. Um, they might not be parents might not be as uh up to date on what government policies are that they have to what you have to teach kids, what are on the standardized testing. So there might be some gap, but I think parents should be able at at a minimum informed of what's going on. Definitely have curriculum guides and these are what's going to be taught right off the bat. You know, um, in college, you know, you got your syllabus on day one. This is what you I mean, basically, you had your whole semester laid out. I think that is helpful that they can see it up front
093there that they're not blindsided in November of something that, you know, that their students are doing the next day or they did that day. you know, they know, hey, in three months we're going to talk about this. Hey, you might have a problem with this. Let's address it. Um, so I think further visibility on what's in the curriculum is important. And I think, um, you know, part of the board in the last few months is the opt-in versus opt out. And it's it's hard to know what what curriculum ideas even should be up for opt in or opt out. I mean, you don't want to get carried away and have to opt into every multiplication test or every spelling test, right? You know, it's hard to get or it'd be easy to get carried away,
094but you know, the idea of opting into some of these more controversial topics um gives more voice to the parents um as long as it doesn't get out of control. Um, there are things that the state says you have to teach. And I think it's important that parents are aware of this isn't necessarily a schoolboard decision. This is a state of Michigan decision that we have to to follow. But being clear, hey, this is this is a law. This is you can look it up. You know, if you have a problem with it, this is how you would address that. Okay. But that's goes back to the communication and and um clarity between the school board and the teachers and administration and the parents. Awesome. Thank you. That was your last question. That's it. So
095yes, that was it. That was it. So thank you so much for participating and thank you for your patience as you were the last one on the list. So thank you very much. All right, moving on to the agenda. Item 3A, future meetings. July 1st, uh, Tuesday, 6:30 p.m. here, special meeting for interviews, I'm sorry, for the vote to appoint. Um, July 21st is our organizational meeting. Also 6:30 p.m. here uh, in the boardroom. Item 3B. Anyformational items anyone would like to share? Okay, we are adjourned. Thank you.