May 11, 2026, P 12 Board of Education Meeting. part 2

001I don't know if the Oh. Call us back to order. All right, the next the just to remind everybody that this upcoming issue on the agenda or upcoming item, I mean, sorry, is facilities master plan with Lemmer Sherrod, David Mustonen, Thomas Wall, and Paul Wills. >> So, for this, Paul will be taking the lead and we're all here to support. >> Thank you, Mr. Chair Sherrod, and good evening, board members. I will be brief. I will be interested and then be gone. But, obviously, we're here to talk about the master plan update and all the exciting work that's been over the last month and a half. Talk a little bit about the background, some of the proposed timing for the major capital projects, and really dive into the K-8 concepts that's both building there and

002um Quinn Evans kind of came through the initial interview uh recommendations, and then just talk about kind of the overview of the phases as it relates to those, and then our kind of next steps and elevator speech. >> Sorry, Paul. Are you going to be basically going through this? >> That is correct. So, I appreciate everyone having a hard copy there for it to to review as we go through. Um So, on the slide uh that you see on the screen, really, the district's done a great job over the last several years. So, when people say, "Well, how did this facility master plan come to fruition?" Um you had site and facility assessments done by multiple architects and construction managers. You did an enrollment analysis really for the last 5 to 6 years going forward.

003Um you also took a look at your facility condition indexes and also took a look at space programming budgeting, and you did some preliminary financial modeling. Most importantly, you did community stakeholder input with Berman Fink. Right now, we're kind of in that program validation phase. We're really take a look at all this information, and take a look at what are the goals and objectives of the Dearborn Public Schools, come up with a finalized project budget and scope, look at our cash flow modeling over the next 20 years, look at the phasing approach, which we'll review tonight, and then more importantly, um if so desired and placed on the ballot, that's really where the bond issue and millage campaign support would take place. There is a lot of work that would take place after the bond

004passes and again I won't go column by column, but again creating an oversight and communication process for the community, the district administration, and the Board of Education. Getting your architects and construction managers on board and ultimately going to design and construction. As your program manager, um we work with a variety of different entities within the Dearborn Public Schools including the superintendent's office, the learning and academic teams, the finance teams, facility teams, technology teams, and communication teams. And with a capital program this size, we're going to look at potentially multiple architects, multiple construction managers, and constr- and contractors. Allowing an opportunity for local participation um from that perspective over the variety of projects that are being contemplated. So again, what does the facility master plan entail? It's really a 20-year capital spent. It allows you to

005address your critical needs and your infrastructure in a phased approach. As I mentioned earlier, it kind of takes a good meal uh melding of what Feeney and Your National talked about about creating an all K-8 versus what happens with renovating all the existing. So it's really kind of a blending of the two. Keeping that neighborhood approach. Taking a look at historical components and also that local participation piece. Um so in this particular facility master plan, uh we're going to look at expanding K-8 neighborhood schools from two to seven and we'll get into those locations here shortly. More importantly, you're maintaining 11 elementary facilities, a middle school facility, three high school facilities, an early college facility, and the Michael Berry Career Center. So again, from a current two K-8 element- neighborhood locations at Lowry and McCollough-Unis,

006we're going to have a deeper dive into the seven that are shown here on the screen, so I won't read through them today. What this also does is allow us some other short-term and long-term planning for the district. So for instance, Becker could could be utilized for swing space during construction of some of the area elementary schools. A long-term solution would be for adult education as a portion of the 2000 or 1500 students you have in adult education. The Henry Ford site could be a future field house or potentially a central office relocation. The Lindbergh site could actually be considered for GSRP or an expanded early childhood center on the west side of the district. Then ultimately Haigh and Oakman, which are later in the processes, could be held for future considerations. So, what does

007a facility master plan of this magnitude look like? Again, it's really a four-phase approach. The first phase being about $366 million. Uh those monies would come really in the first three to five years. And as you can see down there, we've got a new K8 neighborhood school at Lowrey with Becker. A new addition at Salina Intermediate with Salina Elementary creating a K8 neighborhood if so desired. And then OL Smith, Nolan with Howe special education students and also grades four, five at DuVall. In this case, DuVall would currently be a K3 program in that in that scenario. More importantly, in the district-wide, out of the $366 million, there's approximately $80 million of district-wide improvements. So, secured vestibules, toilet rooms and athletics, CT improvements, traffic, roofing, technology, buses, and furniture. As you heard Mr. Wall earlier, a

008lot of those improvements are being supported out of the general fund. So, in this scenario, in the first phase, addressing those critical infrastructures district-wide. Also, the development of the oversight committee as mentioned earlier and also the architect CM selection process. Phase two, in yellow, is about $394 million. Again, focusing on Woodworth, Henry Ford neighborhood school, the Howard Lindbergh school, and also renovating four existing elementary schools that you see there. Also, a continuation of the district-wide of roughly $55 million for technology, athletics, traffic, roofing, buses. If you're looking for the high schools, those are actually classified in phase three. Uh for Dearborn High, Edsel Ford, and then Fordson High again keeping the three existing high school campuses. Also, in this one taking a look at Hagel Bryant and having a new K neighborhood on that uh

009site with Bryant. And also renovating the two existing elementary schools, Duval and Long. As mentioned earlier, Lindbergh would be renovated for the GSRP early childhood center and a new transportation center. And lastly, uh year uh phase four through about $314 million, you'd have McCall Unis, which is existing, renovation of Stout, your other remaining elementary schools, and the remaining administration team. So, again, these priorities are color coordinated and again, kind of uh taken off the Quinn Evans report that was presented earlier. From a timing standpoint >> Oh, yes. Okay, if I ask a question? >> Yeah. >> Um just so that it's clear well, to me and hope and to others. So, these items that you have at the bottom of each phase, like district-wide >> Yes. >> items. That would include take a place like

010Fortson. That would include doing things in Fortson. >> Correct. >> Just so people think we're not leaving Fortson something like Fortson >> Correct. >> until the until the end. So, what is the difference what what is the actual difference between these district-wide things just take take Fortson for instance. These district-wide things that would be done and then what you would be classifying under the renovation part that would be in phase three. >> So, uh addressing the quick >> Feel free to be as brief and quick as possible. >> Absolutely. Uh secured vestibules at Fortson would be a great example and toilet rooms. Uh those are the critical the critical most and that's pretty much district-wide. So, out of your 3 million square feet, nine of your elementary schools, middle and high schools do not have

011a separate secured vestibule reception. Those nine schools be in that top priority in that first phase. And obviously, toilet rooms, uh Mr. Anderson and his team have done a great job kind of saying, "Here's the top." So, um if I'm at a certain school that's not in those first two priorities, I will actually be seeing some of that. Same thing with furniture, technology integration. So, I don't want you're right to parents and residents think, "Oh my gosh, I have to wait 10 years to get new furniture and technology." That's not the case in this scenario. >> Okay. And then, what would be the things that in year 10 would be the things that you we'd be let's say finally getting to in a place like Fortson? >> So, great example, when you start to look

012at some of the spaces you'll see in the K8s is really integrating the academic transformational spaces. So, taking a look at how do you create those open and learning labs um that you may be see. How do you incorporate introductory steam uh exploratory at the elementary middle school and up to the high school? Um we do know programs will change over time. So, again, a lot of that focus is not just the roofs and the parking lots and the in the mechanical systems, but how can you integrate the technology and the academics into those programs as part of major renovation? >> And then things like the mechanical systems and the electric like electrical uh wiring and all that kind of stuff. In a place like Fortson, that would be in the phase three part or

013that gets addressed in the district-wide stuff earlier? >> Yeah, so actually I mentioned $80 million. Of that $80 million, there's $20 million just for miscellaneous capital expenditures. So, for instance, the boiler goes, electrical system goes. Mr. Anderson and his team have a pot of money they don't have to rely on the general fund, they can rely on the bond funds to address >> that immediately. >> Okay. >> Um but then at the end of the day, um kind of take a look at a very judicious process of going through not to make sure you're spending money at uh good money at bad, so. >> Okay, thank you. >> Trustee Bazi. >> Um I think another thing that we had talked about when we look at some of the phase uh phase four schools, some of

014the schools are newer schools. As it is, but once we get there, we're talking about now 15 years from now from when they were built and all that. Some of those have, if you can talk a little bit about this, some of those already have some of those spaces that we're looking for for the for these schools that we're looking at. >> Phase one and phase two. >> Yeah, correct. So, if you go back in time, I think in the 1920s, the district made a conscious effort of investing in new schools. So, you have uh eight to nine schools that were built in the in the 1920s. Fast forward to the '40s, '50s, you had another sequence of uh facilities that were designed kind of in the '40s, '50s style. Back in the late '90s,

015early 2000s, those newer schools that are currently shown in blue do have some of those incorporated learn labs, some of those collaboration spaces. So, again, um taking a look at that holistically to say, how can we build on to that um from that perspective, but also how do you incorporate the technology and furniture changes that may take place in the next 10 to 15 years. So, that's why in blue people like, why do we have to wait so long? Well, these are actually some of your newer schools that like you said, Trustee Bazzi, by the time you get to it, maybe in that 25-30 year time cycle. So, it's time for those uh improvements. >> Trustee Mazur. >> Yeah, so the one in the green as far as phase three, where are we saying we're

016just >> besides obviously the district-wide initiatives that we're doing in phase one and phase two, but as far as addressing the high schools right away, we will have to wait 10 years? >> No, like for instance, in the first one you see CT improvements, we envision those CT improvements being at the three high schools. Um athletics would be another good one. So, we know your field turfs, your tennis courts, um tracks, things of that nature would take place at the high schools without having to wait till till year 10, if you >> But in in phase three, the major capital um the high schools is major renovations to the actual buildings. >> Correct. To give you an example, about $90 million would be at Fordson, and about $75 million to $80 million would be at

017Edsel and at uh Dearborn High. So, we're talking a major, major overhaul. >> Renovations. >> Um but again, those schools will probably see millions of dollars of investments through phase one and phase two with the secured vestibules, CT improvements, other infrastructure such as roofing and others. >> And we're doing this in phases because we can't do this obviously at the same time. >> Correct. Yeah, actually um that's why you see those dollar amounts at the top. And so, at the end of the day, the district will receive about $366 million in the first five years. The second five years is roughly $394 million, and then the third tranche, if you will, is about $426 million. And then last, you have 314. So, that's that 20-year, I'll call it 15-20 year spending plan um that really

018kind of aligns with your capital needs as identified, you know, through that uh earlier assessments from your architects, construction managers, and >> And these numbers figures take into consideration the rate of inflation and all of it. >> escalation factors and that present value then anticipated cost inflation, correct? >> But >> Oh, sorry. >> Go ahead. And so I to to kind of continue on that point, where these funds are coming from when we're looking at, you know, potential bond rates, we've taken into account, you know, when our rates go down, you know, potential partnership with the city with their sewage millage going down. So we're trying to if you talk a little bit about that, we're trying to make sure maybe it's a refresher cuz I know we have talked about it. >> Oh, that's

019great great. Yeah, so again, this 1.51 billion is over that 15 to 20-year cycle. And it's the ability you have a very unique opportunity right now to really partner with the city. So as Trustee Bazzi mentioned, the combined sewer overflow from 2013 bonds are getting paid off. >> Sorry, Paul. We need to make a motion to extend the meeting for 15 minutes. >> I'll support. >> All right, all in favor. >> I mean, I make a motion to extend the meeting for 16 minutes. >> I'll support that motion. >> All right, all in favor. Say "Aye". >> Aye. >> Motion >> have to do a roll call? >> We have >> Oh, sorry. Roll call. Trustee Moosa. >> Yes. >> Trustee Bazzi. Trustee Zahour. Yes. Trustee DeMaggio. >> Yes. >> Trustee Peluchon. >> Yes. >>

020Trustee Sobh. >> Yes. >> President Jebril. >> Yes. >> Go ahead. >> Yep. So, a great example I actually it's one of our last slides, too, but I as a reminder, you have a very unique opportunity here in this this fiscal year to capture the declining city of Dearborn's combined sewer overflow and take advantage of that to keep the millage rate about 26.3 mills for the current city of Dearborn homeowners from that perspective. And so again, those monies are sold in a series of bonds and in this case it's actually eight bonds over that that time period. And so again, out of that 366 million, about 80 million dollars is going to gear towards traffic improvements at the high schools, the middle schools, CT improvements, you know, toilet room secured vestibule. So every school will

021see something done in that first five years um that aspect. And then again, um as facility needs change, again every tranche has kind of a CapEx that allows the district to use bond dollars versus general fund for somethings that may be an emergency use um if they do arise. So. >> I'm just going to ask one last thing. You keep using the word secure vestibules. I remember when I first learned it I was like, what does that mean? >> We have a great slide. It shows the image of it. So, um so as I mentioned, you know, again, these are kind of the first four uh phases. Again, color coordinated by critical high priority in yellow, moderate and low and in blue. This actually shows kind of the time frame. So again, it's very important

022as you start uh a lot of these projects they have you community input into the design and the programming pieces. Again, maintaining those neighborhood schools. And then ultimately, you don't have to wait year five or 10. So some of the things you see in yellow can actually happen in year two. Same thing with the high schools, you could probably start talking about what are those facility needs improvements kind of year six or seven to really make sure the drawings are complete when before you go out for bid. So we're not rushing the design process when you get there. That lower orange bar you see, again, that's that phase one and phase two um as we talked about um all the schools that would receive that. And it also includes buses, technology, and furniture um from

023those facilities from that perspective, including traffic improvements. So again, with the eight neighborhood school cons- uh concepts K-8s going from on the left-hand side, this is your existing portfolio of elementary, middle school, and K-8 facilities. So again, you have 18 current elementaries, uh five middle school, and you have your two K-8s. And then the proposed facility master plan, uh you have your 11 elementary schools again kind of color coordinated by the legend that you see on the right-hand side. Stout re- uh remains a middle school. You have your seven locations for the new K-8s over those time frames. And then ultimately, what will you repurpose or readapt about 250,000 square feet for? So again, um not going to read them verbatim, but you kind of see the color coordination. On the next slide, we actually

024take a look at where all these locations are going to take place. So, circled in red or outlined in red, you see the seven neighborhood schools. Um the ones that are in orange, so in the lower right-hand side, you have Salina Intermediate. And I thought, what a great presentation um from those students on what could take place with the green spaces around Salina. So, again, incorporating some of that if the bond was to be successful. In the uh north uh east quadrant, Lowry um being K8, again, looking at students from Becker um coming as part of that program. In the lower left-hand or in the southwest corner, you have the Lowell Smith Nolan site. In this case, the house students, about 160 specialized students would um join uh that campus along with the uh 4/5

025Duval students, and Duval would stay as a K3 in this scenario. So, you mentioned, "What does a a secured vestibule reception look like?" So, think of a two-part building. So, on the left-hand side of the screen, what you have is proposed elementary school wing. So, this could be your PK, junior kindergarten, kindergartner uh all the way up to fifth grade. On the right-hand side, you could have your sixth through eighth grade middle schools. And obviously, those classrooms serve different purposes in that perspective. Um you uh right uh above the secured vestibule entrance, you actually have a proposed two-stage cafeteria. What this means is you can feed both the elementary school and the middle school students at the same time. So, you have one shared kitchen. Um so, you don't have six lunch hours as some

026other schools may have in that scenario. Um on the upper left-hand side, you have a three-stage gym. What that means is this large gym space could be converted into three separate gym spaces. Uh we all call it a gymatorium. So, one of the ends would actually have a stage with curtains, site lighting, and and sound. So, if you have a music program, that gymnasium or gymatorium could be set up for that while you still have two gym classes going simultaneously. Uh we also have a proposed pool uh in this scenario. And then obviously, you have support spaces for um art, music, steam exploratory, support space for staff and and teachers. So, right now if you have 16 classrooms, and again looking at as Mr. Wallace said, they don't come in nice packages of 25 kids

027per classroom, but kind of using that scenario, a building of roughly 160,000 square feet can accommodate about 1,300 students or 1,350 students. So, that does leave for some growth because these are 50-year investments to 100-year investments if Dearborn proves us how long you use your facilities for. Um I did have a short video. >> Before the video, question about the proposed two-stage cafeteria. Is that a the cafetorium or is that >> Actually, the gymatorium would be the auditorium piece cuz it's larger. So, if you want to have like all school assemblies, um you could have that in that larger three-gym space versus let's say just in the cafeteria. We have seen a lot of districts use the cafeteria for before and after school programming. So, again, how you handle the furniture, the chairs, the tables,

028um that's kind of those design entities would like some more input from, so. Uh let's see. It does play. Okay. So, this is what AI can actually generate for you. So, again, just an idea of large spaces, um you know, parents walking in the building being greeted by a greeter, um kids collaborating, and again, this is just a visualization. Um we're not saying this is what your school could look like, um but just an idea of where AI is kind of taking us. What is helpful is what are actually local exper- inspirational spaces. So, these are just some examples of some of our clients. In the upper left, we've got some outdoor learning spaces at a uh middle school recently done. The gymatorium is currently being built um in Detroit. Uh on the large lower

029right-hand side is actually an existing middle school that was converted to early childhood center. And I was so McCullen is still stands as a good example of how to create a two-part school from that uh perspective. So, why the Kate Neighborhood Schools? Uh if you take a look at it, I mean your current situation only about 1,400 students are in that model. Um going from two to seven, about 7,500 of your students would now be in newer facilities. Um and again, I want to be I want to stress that just because you have an existing school does not mean you won't have equity in terms of the academic spaces. When we get to those spaces and the district's spending 25 30 million dollars renovating an elementary school, you're going to have the same equity from

030an educational classroom um standpoint from that perspective. But, investing in that transformational spaces, again, really focusing on from pre-K all the way through CTE. Critical security infrastructure are key part components of this. Um talking about program enhancement inclusiveness. So, the more students you have, right now you have some elementaries with 240 250 students, it's very difficult to offer programs um from that perspective. Building new facilities uh does actually preserve general fund dollars um for enhanced programming, enhanced staffing um from that perspective and create some academic efficiencies. It also allows parents and teachers and administrators more time uh for consistency of staff over a 9-year period versus multiple switches. I'm helping build that strong culture and community. And again, we're maintaining those neighborhood community schools that you currently have from that perspective. From an operational standpoint,

031again, we talked about the separate wings for elementary middle school levels. Um right now with this proposal, you're kind of realigning your footprint and and with your enrollments um which again, because they are larger sizes is going to improve the traffic flow um for a lot of these sites and also improve parking as well as playgrounds and other amenities on sites for those purposes. And ultimately, what can you do with some of those other facilities? We talked about pre-K center potentially, um uh robotics, uh administration from that perspective. So, I'm going to go through these fairly quickly. Uh there are seven of them. Right now, we're focused on kind of that first phase critical priority. Uh so, this is below Reebeca. Uh so, again, Becker has about 220 students that would come into Lori. Um

032that gives you an enrollment of roughly 1,160 students. Uh this facility, as I mentioned, is sized for about 1,350 students. Um the proposed cost is roughly 120 million. Then ultimately, Becker would be used for swing space um as you start to look at renovating some of the other nearby existing elementary schools. And long term, could be adult. Um so, this scenario, you got two separate playgrounds, one for elementary, one for middle school. Um on the other side where Lori's currently existing would be the proposed athletics, but more importantly, you're enhancing the site and parking lots and traffic flow on this site with a separate bus loop and parent drop-off. For Salina, this would actually be an addition. Uh so again, Salina Elementary School uh is existing, and it was built uh kind of in the

033last series of bonds. Um so, at the end of the day, when you combine those two students, there's about 900 students. Um from that perspective, um and then at the end of the day, you're also taking a look at um again, preserving some of the existing athletics that are down in the south end of the district, that's the gymnasium, locker rooms, etc. That could be next to the proposed athletics. And then ultimately, the additional proposed playground. I'd love nothing more to see some of those enhanced green walls that we saw from the students' presentation earlier as part of this um perspective. And again, being a 100,000 sq ft addition, the proposed addition cost is roughly 75 million. This is not just for the building, but it's also for the building, the site, water treatment um

034for groundwater uh treatments, parking, athletics, etc. So, it's an all-in program cost. >> So, so that would propose a multi-story addition that would replace the intermediate or would be an addition and and we're keeping just the gym in >> Yeah, so actually, on the site plan that I'm your screen right now, where it says existing athletics, that's where the 1920 one building is along with the two additions. You can kind of see it below the green proposed athletics. So, we'd actually build that kind of where the um track is and the soccer field. We're preserving the two playgrounds that were just done, which is important. Um, but that would be in a multi-story addition that would be attached to the new Salina Elementary. I say new, it's newer. >> And then the building would be

035>> The existing building would be raised. It'd be a demolished. It'd be a field. Correct. And I think some of those images we saw were great in terms of soccer fields and and green walls. Um, from that perspective. More importantly with this one, you also get new mechanical systems that have better hepa filtering systems, um, more soundproof walls with newer construction codes um, that are sort of be a great great addition for that uh southeast neighborhood. Then O.L. Smith, Nolan Duvall, uh, again the two existing facilities are already on site. They're kind of underneath the parking and the proposed athletics. So, again, this facility would be in the southeast corner of the facility, again with two playgrounds in both upper and elementary and lower middle schools. Uh, enhanced parking, uh, both on and off the

036site, and then obviously a large area for proposed athletics. Um, and again, Duvall in this situation does stay as an elementary that is K-3 from that perspective. And again, still allows for uh, potential growth, um, throughout the next 25 to 50 years. As I mentioned, uh, secured vestibule receptions. On the upper right-hand side, you kind of see what that means where you come into a secured entry, the receptionists can see you. There's a airphone, they can talk about, you know, what's your purpose of visiting. You get buzzed into the secured office, again, if you pass a variety of different, uh, check-ins, uh, then they release you into the actual school itself. Um, you can see some of the CTE improvements. We've got the Salina pi- playground pilot, and then obviously toilet restrooms and athletics. So,

037trusty bus. >> Sorry, can you just go back one slide? >> Sure. >> Just I also like to highlight that this would, uh, this facility would accommodate the specialized students from how making sure that the the facilities are adequate space-wise, how hallways, uh, bathrooms, um, bigger classrooms cuz you're going to have more adults in there, all of that. >> Uh more importantly, also showering facilities, laundry facilities, things of that nature for specialized students needs. Um and again, this is great cuz they're integrated within the K-8 model itself versus having a separate wing of a building. So, that's a great point. >> Thank you. >> Yep. So again, district-wide improvements, these represent roughly 80 million of the first critical priorities. Um and again, currently these are being paid for out of the general fund from that

038perspective. Transition to high priorities. So, this is the Whitworth site. Uh again, um part of the building was built in 2014, about 35,000 square feet. So, we're maintaining that. That's the gymnasiums, the art classroom. So, uh this facility is about 130,000 square foot addition. Um so again, we'd be able to build that on the existing athletic fields while school's still in session, but also more importantly, increase parking drop-off in this scenario, and allowing a larger space for proposed athletics once the project is completed. From Henry Ford, uh repurpose standpoint, again, there could be a potential for a field house or a central administration office. Also, I just want to note real quick that um in this scenario, the Miller educate uh elementary students uh actually get redistricted to Stout um from that perspective. So, kind

039of taking a look geographically, um you just would have too large of a facility. You'd be well over 1,300 students um if those feeder patterns from Stout um was were to take place for Miller. So, >> Currently, they're split between both middle schools. So, we wanted to keep the neighborhood feel them all go to one feeder school. >> Yep, that's great. Thank you, sir, for those words. >> through Stout and >> and Whitworth. >> Whitworth. >> This is Howard Lindberg. So, this is the Howard site. Um roughly 90 acres. So again, um taking a look at about 1,000 students. Um so, this facility is only 140,000 square feet, but still has the growth capacity for 1,200. Um and at the end of the day, again, you'd build a facility while the other facility is in

040use, tear the facility down, and convert that space to proposed athletics, but more importantly, enhance parking drop-off from that perspective. And then Lindbergh, as we mentioned, would become a potential GSRP or early childhood center in that scenario. And then also high priority, so that was just exist to highlight the existing elementary schools. So, these are current elementary schools, some built in the 1920s, some built in the '60s. Again, you can't see the dollar amounts, 38 million, 20 million, 23 million, 20 million. So, a lot of heavy capital investments. >> Uh could we excuse me, motion 60? >> I'll I'll motion to extend the meeting by another 15 minutes. >> Second. >> Need a second. >> Trustee Mosab? >> Yes. >> Roll call. >> Trustee Bezi? >> Yes. >> Trustee Zahour, yes. Trustee D'Ambrogio? >> Yes.

041>> Trustee Pollicella? >> Yes. >> Trustee Sobh? >> Yes. >> Trustee Jevahirian? >> Yes. >> And as I mentioned, uh this is about $50 million continuation of those uh ability here that you see from that perspective. Moderate priority, uh again, this would be in that 10 to 15 year. This is on the Bryant site, so again, um the Haigh students and the Bryant students uh taking a look at a combined facility, uh about 160,000 square feet. And again, Haigh would be used uh for future consideration. Again, you're talking 15 years uh down the road in the moderate uh priority level from that perspective. And then lastly, um McCollough-Unis is actually an existing school. So, in this scenario, uh the Oakman students, uh there's practically 262 currently, could come into McCollough-Unis. Um they would necessarily have

042to wait um from that perspective. So, again, leave it up to the Board of Education Administration team to take a look at when that move is possible. Um but again, Oakman could be used for swing space. Um it's a very small site, but at the end of the day, uh it could be used for um swing space in future considerations from that perspective. As I mentioned, Henry Ford site, uh currently, um the building could be demoed, and then about 130,000 square foot field house. Again, this will be able to house graduation. Um this is just a sample of our clients here. It's about 125, 30,000 square foot. Has indoor walking track, um fields that could be used for basketball, baseball, volleyball. So it's a multi-purpose sport um from that perspective. So again, just an option

043that does fit within the 1.51 billion um from that perspective. >> Would that also consider uh like a soccer dome? >> Well, we actually looked at it. So St. John's, if you're familiar with 275, >> Mhm. >> um the soccer dome there. The problem is it's inflated. So those fans have to run continuously, >> Yes. >> uh which is a huge electrical draw. >> also in Canton. >> Yeah, correct. And so with this one, um this would be a clear span, uh prefabricated structure. >> Uh-huh. >> Um so again, you'd have masonry walls up to the sides, and then obviously the cantilevered cantilevered steel from that perspective. Um but you'd have LED lighting and a speaker system. You could put stages in there. Uh we'd envision bleachers on both sides so you could host a

044variety of different competitive events as well as graduation. So. >> And you could have soccer or not? >> Well, you can have soccer. It's like anything I you know, I always drive by the Ford Field, and if you kick a ball high enough, you could probably hit the >> Yeah, yeah. >> So that's a great question though. So. >> Um because the city is in need of such a facility. >> Absolutely. >> That is indoor for our kids. I mean, we have 8 months of winter pretty much. We're >> actually did a uh I think a presentation um kind of like what our field house is looking like. So Total Soccer up in Pontiac is a great example of six back-to-back indoor soccers. Uh the dome in Plymouth is another great example. You're seeing more

045school districts have this type of field house because it can be used year-round. It can be used for community and district use. >> Correct. >> Um from that perspective. So. >> I I did want to ask on um some of the newer schools such as Becker and near Ford. I know we're going to repurpose them. If you could talk a little bit about those. >> Sure. Yeah, so Becker's a great example. So um you know, that would be one that you'd use for swing space. So, if I go back to the map, Sorry about that. Come on. There we go. One more. Um, so in the upper right, you have Becker uh next to Lowry K-8. So, what happens is those students would get relocated as part of that model um creating 1,100 student body,

046which actually uh Lowry used to be a 5 years ago when I first started doing some work um from perspective, but that could be used for swing space for either McDonald or Miller or I'm sorry, Maples Elementary when you're doing renovations. So, those students aren't necessarily um again, it's an option, um but that's be the short-term swing space. And ultimately, um you know, it could be used for adult education. So, right now you have about 1,600, 1,500, 1,600 student uh adult education students. So, this is about 35,000 sq ft facility that could be adapted to help support that program. Relative to Henry Ford, um it's an older facility, um but at the end of the day, again, it could be used to for a vacant site for a field house or central office relocation because

047again, this facility um is kind of that last priority as well. Um so, again, that's one of those pivot moments I think as a district when you take a look at the major four phases to say, "Okay, what does Henry Ford become? What does Becker become?" And I think that really speaks to this process right here. We have that community design and input and it's really our job as program managers to look ahead of that curve and say, "Okay, here's the next 24 months of decision-making from a planning perspective." So, you can plan well on ahead and not be reactive from that perspective. So. >> Thank you. >> So, I just have two last slides. Um I think Trustee Bazzi brought up a great point. Some of it's kind of a refresher. Um you know,

048what does this bond represent or what could it represent for Dearborn Public Schools? So, again, this is really investing in both new facilities, but also renovating your existing facilities um from that perspective to really create spaces that the public wants. So, part of the Byrum and Fisk goes they would support a capital program that really enhances the learning environment. In this scenario, all the facilities get enhanced educational environments for that perspective. It's not just one level of grades. It's really pre-K all the way through CT and even to early college. Um you're able to address critical infrastructural needs. Uh so, again, as Mr. Wall mentioned, you're taking 5 to 7 million dollars of general fund dollars out of the general fund to pay for those. So, again, this this opportunity that Dearborn has is really

049help address those over long-term sustainable funding mechanism. I think the 20-year plan, so again, you think of what was 20 years ago. Um cell phones weren't really that big. I mean, iPhones weren't even existence. AI is just coming through. That flexibility in planning, but you have that consistent funding to allow you to make some of these uh great investments. We talked about key components of the district goals. So, keeping that neighborhood feel, um keeping the historical components of of these buildings. More importantly, what it also is improved traffic flow, parking, um furniture, um local participation from that perspective. Also, in the Byrum and Fisk uh report, it talked about districts would support the lowest cost opportunity. And in this scenario, you know, 26.3 mills is what the city of Dearborn homeowners currently pay between the

050city and the schools. So, being able to maintain that as that CSO or that combined sewer overflow drops and we're able to pick that up from uh the the millage perspective. Most importantly, it helps generate 1.51 billion up to do some great work over 3 million square feet for Dearborn Public Schools and its students and teachers. So, kind of next steps, um we talked a little bit Oh, go ahead. >> Question, sorry. It's the the 26.3 you said it's for both the schools and the city. Do you know the breakdown how much schools, how many mills come to the schools, and how many go to the city? >> Yeah, actually, um I'm going to defer to Mr. Wall real quick. Um cuz Cuz know you have 1.22 now. That's what it is. So, you have

051a current debt millage from your previous bonds, it's 1.22 mills. Uh you also have the operating 2.18 and then ultimately um in this scenario, you're looking at about 3.14 mill to capture that declining combined so, that's the delta is the 3.14. >> Mhm. >> So, it puts you in that 7 6.77 mill range. >> Um which is kind of comparable to other districts what they're putting right now. >> Yeah, I actually we have a great map that shows all Western Wayne County school districts. Some are as high as 10 11 mills. >> Wow. >> Um some are four five mills, especially ones that have gone out recently. Um but again, most of your districts, I think one of the things we showed the the board earlier was Detroit schools, they've invested 1.2 billion over the

052last 10 to 15 years. Um Livonia's invested 4 500 million, Plymouth-Canton's 5 or 600 million. And again, the district passed the bond and uh you know, was able to do some work. Obviously, SR funds helped. But you're getting to a critical mass standpoint where you really don't have the dollars to really do some new investments. Um plus some long-term investment strategies. So, I think trust me, Liz, to your point, this allows that 26.3 mill >> to kind of stay steady for the city of Dearborn homeowners. But most importantly, provides that funding mechanism to do some great work over the next 15 to 20 years. So, kind of next steps, uh again, as your program manager, again, our job is to inform uh help the board make informed decisions. Um so again, we talked a little

053bit about earlier the roles and responsibilities, timeline, project pacing. So again, um I think we have a follow-up meeting with the city of Dearborn and Dearborn Heights here just kind of give them a update kind of where the the district is at along with the board. And then in June, we come back and kind of really focus on here's the remaining high school projects, the other elementaries, the Michael Berry centers, and things to really in totality. And then if so desired um in one of your June board meetings, uh, you'd place the ballot uh, on the November, um, proposal. And then, really through July to October is really that ballot information committee. So, here are the project sheets. Here's the timing for it. Here's kind of the more of the specifics versus some generalization of

054fixtures. Um, so with that, I'll trust, uh, turn it back to our President O'Jame, uh, Superintendent Shoemaker and the board for any additional questions. >> Is there any other questions from the trustees trustees are? >> Just real quick because, um, I know it came up in a meeting that we had, um, with some of us outside of a board meeting. And just because this idea has been brought up a few more times, if you could just briefly talk about you gave us in one of, uh, the meetings we had with you, a comparison of the cost to renovate the existing high schools, retrofit some other buildings that might be out there into high schools, and build new high schools from the ground up. >> Correct. Can you just talk about those three options again, which

055ones came in as the most cost-effective and what was generally like the difference between them? >> Cost cost-wise? >> Yeah, so absolutely. Right now, what you have in the three, uh, existing high school campuses, as mentioned, about $90 million and about 70 for Fordson and and about $75 million for Dearborn and Edsel. It's about $250 per foot of renovation spaces. Um, we were fortunate enough to be the program manager for the School Finance Research Foundations statewide assessment. And you usually classify about $100 a foot is just infrastructure. So, when you start talking about $250, that's $150 extra to do some of those academic improvements and transitional spaces. If you were to purchase an existing facility, so board has an empty 400,000 square foot building, it's about $350 a foot to renovate that to a K-12

056cuz or I'm sorry, to a high school cuz it's designed as an office assembly, if that makes sense. So, now you have fire separation, egress corridors, toilet rooms. Uh, those those code requires a lot different than existing office building. To build something brand new, I'm really in the like $600 range um from that perspective. So, we're So, we're seeing um about 20 different programs right now across the state. We're building 18 new schools, and that's about the price range they're coming in at. So, when you take a look at let's say we're duplicating a Fordson um at, you know, 390,000 sq ft, let's say, um you know, it's almost $200 million just for one high school. And so, that's where ultimately you look at it, where's the best investment dollars with keeping that current millage

057rate at 26.3, and it's really looking at that K-8 opportunity, um but still, you know, investing in the schools. Like I said, when you start spending 75 to $100 million at a school, it's it's it's going to be different um from an interior's perspective. So, I don't want people to think this is just an infrastructure, you know, put in a boiler and call it a good here. This is truly um keeping the exterior structures um obviously with Fordson in the historical perspective, but, you know, really doing some wild uh good at at the existing high schools. >> Okay, thank you. Any other questions? Trusty Mike. >> Uh just a comment. Uh obviously, you you just mentioned the point about under the hood things. Uh obviously, this bond would cover replacing old uh age infrastructure that

058we currently have and replace it with kind of best in class, something that will service for the next two generations to come. So, um while we will do a lot of buildings as as proposed um and touch a lot of areas, there will be even more greater work, especially with the renovations uh on the HVAC and making things efficient um that will pay us back of being efficient buildings. >> That's a great point. I mean, if you take a look at your 3 million sq ft and you were to allocate an operational cost, you know, when you have an existing steam boiler system >> Mhm. >> just the maintenance alone to clear out the the tubes and the like that takes time and money and if you have a high efficiency furnace boilers which are

059like the size of half this room versus those huge try like just those operational savings and not have to maintain it or great. Um actually elevators um while they still meet every yearly code somebody came by parts for um so again just you think of the infrastructural needs um it's in the tens of millions if not hundreds of millions of dollars and that will be part of that overall improvement um with this bond it should be successful November. >> I don't see any other questions. Um So I think we're good. >> All right, thank you. >> Thank you. >> All right, so next item >> I'll make a motion to extend the meeting by another 15 minutes. >> Second. >> Moser >> Yes. >> Pazi >> Yes. >> Zar, yes. D'Ambrosio >> Yes. >> Pelesh

060coffee >> Yes. >> Subah >> Yes. >> Najimy >> Yes. >> Next item is action items. Are there any agenda items on this agenda which board members or the interim superintendent wish to discuss and vote on separately? If there are we'll exclude these from the motion below. I'm looking for somebody to give me a uh single motion to approve all the action items on this the agenda on this agenda with the exception of any items which will be excluded from this motion by board member request. So I'm looking for someone to make a motion that action items You want to remove one? Sorry. I was going to say sorry. >> Yes. >> Which one? Trusty Pelesh coffee >> 17, please. >> 17. So I'm looking for someone It's 18 all together, right? >> Yes. >>

061Okay. I'm looking for someone to move that action items numbered 1 through 18 be approved as recommended in this agenda with the exception of number 17. >> Support. >> I'm >> Did someone move it? >> No, you have to move it. >> I'll move it. >> Okay. >> Support. >> it? >> Right. Roll call. >> Uh before roll call >> Oh, sorry. Sorry. There's a discussion. I I do have a discussion point on one item. Trustee Mazin, do you have a discussion? >> Yes, and I've asked these questions before to the administration earlier today and I I did receive the answers. So, thank you, Superintendent Sarore. >> Was that all you had? I thought I forgot something. >> Um >> Is it all good? >> There was a question as far as um uh the

062how long we've had this >> Yeah. Yeah. >> this vendor for >> Sorry, which number are you on? >> Uh so, I'm talking about number nine. This is for orders and purchases. This is pretty much increasing the budget for Everdriven for one more year and to increase the budget by $350,000 resulting in a new estimated total $1,500,000 >> Correct. >> to provide sedan cab transportation. >> That's the same question that I have. >> Okay. >> The increase >> I have Yeah. The question was obviously about the increase. I've heard about the summer discovery program, more special uh needed, and for the homeless transportation under McKinney-Vento Act. >> Mhm. >> Um So, the increase was substantial. Was there more of ask of of transportations? Or is it only the summer time that took us >> So,

063that $350,000 increase is an is a result of three things. We're short on our money for to finish this year. So, we didn't anticipate the cost to be this high for this year. So, it's covering the balance for this year. Then you add um the summer program, and then the other is to help with offsetting for next year. >> Yeah. >> Mark can elaborate. >> Uh good evening. Um after we responded with you, we thought of one other thing that Mrs. Buck, our transportation supervisor, come on up here so they can see you. You don't get to see her too often. She does a lot of work >> Okay. >> uh early in the morning. Um Oh, when we did this contract with Everdriven, we had a separate company that did the McKinney Vento. So,

064that portion of this type of transportation wasn't included in this budget. So, that's one of the reasons why Ms. Buck reminded me that why this is a more of a significant one cuz we combined those services with this company. >> Do you know how much of that amount was? >> What was budgeted for with the other company was 50,000. >> Okay. And um I asked also a question about the cameras. I know >> Yep, there aren't any. >> We have cameras on our buses. >> Right. There aren't any on our on that this cab service. >> Yeah, so this I mean, dashboard cameras are pretty cheap. They're not that expensive to buy. Um so, is that something that we can ask the company to >> Is that a common feature? >> They just started adding

065them last year. >> Okay. >> So, it is something we could work with them on if we're interested in going that route. >> I think it would be worthwhile since we have our most vulnerable students sometimes alone. And um it is crucial. I mean, we have them on our buses. I think I believe that we should have them on the sedans. >> Okay. >> I You have a question on um It said the budget the initial amount was 975 and it's going to 1 1.5. Did I get that correct? I'm trying to see where the 350,000 came from. >> So, we were just talking about the addition of the summer program. >> No, but I mean >> the beginning of this year, right? >> Yeah, they increased it 350,000, but it seemed like the increase

066is more than 350,000. >> No. It's 350,000 increase. >> Huh? >> It's a 350,000 increase. >> Correct. But I'm in my notes it said 970,000 75,000 which is the original amount. >> I don't have the agenda, I'm sorry, in front of me. I can find that out in a quick second, but I believe we had an original contract and then we came to the board and raised it a little bit to a little over a million. And so then this is a second increase we're asking for, if I remember correctly. >> Yeah, yeah. >> Just for clarification, this says on Monday, June 23rd, 2025 the board approved request to increase the budget to buy 175 bring the new total to 1.15 million >> Okay. >> for this school year. Now you're asking for another 350.

067>> So, that answers that. >> Yeah, and then we asked also like where while we're going for a third party if we have our own buses, obviously I I would assume that we're at capacity for with our buses. And that would not make sense to transport to use one bus to take you know, individuals from one place and then go to one other. Probably a student would be on the bus for like an hour and a half if we do that route. >> Correct. Um also where we also use the services for So, we run the reason why we use this company is cuz there's very few that offer the service of a vehicle with a lift on it for wheelchairs. So, we do have some scenarios where our bus can't get down the street

068and this service is needed for our wheelchair students where um we can still pick up at the curb. >> Trustee Bazzi, yes. >> Um when we do ask about the the cameras, I want to make sure we also ask about access, make sure that we have access in the event that we do need to >> Yeah. >> access that footage. And not just that they're recording and then we could request that. I think easy access to that is going to be important. Just like what we have with our buses now. >> Absolutely. Yes. >> Any other questions? >> How early do you have to be at work tomorrow, Lisa? >> You can go home. >> Okay. >> Go go home. >> So if there if there's no other questions, I think we could roll call.

069>> So just to just to um reiterate, this motion is that action items number 1 through 18 be approved as recommended in this >> Minus 17. >> Yes, I'm getting I'm getting there. As recommended in this agenda with the exception of number 17. I'll take a roll call for that. One second, please. Uh roll call vote, Trustee Bazzi. >> Yes. >> Trustee D'Ambrogio. >> Yes. >> Trustee Mosep. >> Yes. >> Trustee Paluchnik. >> Yes. >> Trustee Sobol. >> Yes. >> Trustee Zahar. >> Yes. >> President Aljami. >> Yes. >> Okay, moving on to number 17. Item number 17 is titled board request to review personnel files. Um the recommended action is that the board somebody moves that the board direct the administration to provide to the board for review personnel files of three staff members

070whose identity is known by the board. >> So moved. >> I'll second that. >> Um discussion, Trustee Paluchnik. >> Okay, um A, I don't have a reason why these files have been requested to be reviewed. And after having conversation several years ago when we had another trustee who was pulling employee personnel files, I talked with Brad Banasick, our legal counsel for MASB, who cautioned that you never approve uh um uh an individual trustee's request to review without having a reason for why they would like to um go over personnel files. Um Mhm. It sets a bad precedent. It gives rise to wondering whether somebody could be fishing for um material out of individual personnel and abusing our role as board members. So, I have no idea why these uh files were requested. And so, for

071that matter, I'm going to be voting no. >> So, so for me in the past, I was highly opposed to it. And the only reason I changed my mind is I kept hearing trustees inferring on certain files that there is more to it. And I'm to the point where I really want to know is what they're saying true? Or is it uh sending the wrong perception or the wrong information on individuals. You know, when trustee when the previous trustee asked for it, I I was no. We can't >> One of these files is somebody who's no longer employed here and hasn't been employed here for years. >> Bear with me. When we were at I'm trying to really hard not to give away names. >> Yes, I am, too. >> I am trying. Uh I

072did I was okay with two of them. One I wasn't okay with. Uh but when colleagues you know, when we discuss individuals, they say there's things in there, but we can't say and so I'm intrigued by what is in there. Like I don't want to um hold things against anybody because people talk and say there is things there, but I can't say it. That's the only reason I changed my mind is in fairness to the people. You know, if there is something there, there's something there, but if there's nothing there, I just don't want people to keep bringing that up that there is something. And but they can't tell me. So uh, trustees are >> Sorry, but that kind of sounds like the definition of a fishing expedition. So, I mean, if to me you

073know, I'll I'll I'll let trustee Subah um tell me if I'm wrong on this. You know, in the law when we talk about a fishing expedition, we talk about you know, somebody wanting to uh, question or depose somebody without you know, that's done in like a sort of speculative or broad or unfocused way, you know, questions have to be so I mean, you know, I think we could all um trust each other's um reason if reasons were clearly articulated and they were specific. I'm sure we'd all trust each other, but I think saying that you know, well, I I heard there's something might be in there, so I just want to make sure it's not in there. That doesn't I to me that's not a um a a specific enough reason uh, to want to

074get into somebody's personnel file. So, that's just my point of view. >> So, so if I could reply it's really hard to discuss this in an open meeting without saying too much. And for me, when other trustees infer that there's something in in people's files, that's a wrongful accusation. You know, and and to me, it's it's it's a way to see if there is any truth to it. Uh when when trustee Berry asked for the same thing, I said, "No. I I was totally against it." But, I just don't want people to continue and hinder people's uh possible growth by inferring that there's something in their file. It's really more for me uh to support the person the people than to hinder them because I really want um to shut down any rumors that, you

075know, or speculations. Now, one of the person in there, I don't think they should be there. I go on, but I can't specifically say. But, the speculation that trustees are it's been going on too long and and it hinders people's um that particular individual growth or possible the of, you know, um How do I say it? Opportunities. >> Can Can we let um trustee Mosley respond if he has an opportunity? >> Yeah, I I mean I I Obviously, it is me who asked for those three individuals' files, and each one has its own reason. Uh one of the reasons that you already inferred to as far as there's speculation about what has happened in the past, and I want to put that to rest. That's why it was one. The other is uh some complaints

076uh from families. And I believe as a of a board member, if I receive that complaint, um uh we all received that complaints, by the way. Um if you review your emails, and we have to look into those allegations of that um guardian. I want to be very careful of not revealing names of that person of what they said. And uh I believe they have FOIA'd before and got records. And for a board member, I've not seen the full FOIA. So, I I need to see the records for myself. And then the last one, it was just it's just due diligence. Um and I'll I'll keep it at that. Uh and I hope if you had questions, you would call me. You have my phone number. And ask me why I'm doing this request. >>

077Or I Nothing should be put on an agenda until you have talked to us prior to to know whether you have our support or not. It's It shouldn't be on an agenda, and then you expect us to Your obligation was to come to us first before putting it on the agenda. >> it in board briefs last week, and Joanne sent >> in board briefs on Thursday when it was also on the agenda already. >> I asked for it to be placed on the agenda on Thursday, correct. And it was put in board >> And you had plenty of opportunity to reach out to us ahead of time to um alert us to what you had planned on um potentially so that you knew whether you had support or not. >> did call me and inquire

078about that, and I gave them all the rundown. >> But it's not our obli- It was your obligation because you wanted to have it on the agenda already. >> Correct. >> So, it should have been your obligation to have reached out to us prior to it being put on the agenda to know whether there was support for it. >> I I think it's a two-way street. I mean, communication is a two-way street. If we have questions, yes. Trustee Mazari >> Maybe you have a point in there. >> But also, like for me, I asked I proactively >> It was already on the agenda. >> But I asked I said, "Why would you put these you know, people uh in there?" And that's why >> And he should have come come to us and said why

079he wanted to add >> Please. >> this to the agenda. >> Like for me, I thought it was important enough to to get clarification from him and I asked. And that's why I said >> Well, I'm asking now. >> Two of them are legitimate. One is not. And I I would not support that one person. But the two if there is a situation where it's detrimental to our kids, at least for one of them, why would you not want to see >> I don't have any idea what you're talking about. >> it's a it's a two-way street. We you know, sometimes it's it's hard to um like for me, it was important enough to before the vote to ask them. >> He should have come to us if he had an issue and and reached

080out first. >> We should also trust each other as far as what >> We need a motion for 15 more minutes. >> to extend the meeting for another 15 minutes. >> Second. Mozip. >> Yes. >> Bazzi. >> Yes. >> Zar, yes. D'Ambrogio. >> Yes. >> Pilot call. >> Yes. >> Saba. >> Yes. >> Jaffey. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> I I'm I'm I'm sorry. >> know where we were. I think we were >> Well, as for trust President Jaffey, I I believe I I made the motion for the three files. I don't know if we can I I guess I can alter the motion, but I cannot do that while we don't know who those individuals are. So, the motion is on the table and I don't know if anybody else has other questions if

081they want to ask me >> ready to call the question? >> It's up to the chair to call for roll call if he determines that the debate is over. Okay, so again >> Sorry, just so that we are clear and the record is clear. A yes vote, so there's a motion that the board direct the administration to provide to the board for review the personnel files of three staff members whose identity is known by the board. So a yes vote would be directing the administration to give us those files. >> No, it's not giving us those files just to correct the record. >> Sorry, to provide them for review. >> For Yeah, sorry. And we would have to come to the HR office and sit down with an HR professional and review those files obviously

082with their presence. And we have only 30 days to do that. That's if this motion passes. >> Correct. Thank you for the clarification. That's correct. You have to go there so give us access to review the files in their presence as Trustee Moses. I Sorry about that. Okay, so yes vote would be directing the administration to provide us that access. Trustee Bazzy. >> No. >> Trustee D'Ambrogio. >> No. >> Trustee Mozip. >> Yes. >> Trustee Petlichkoff. >> No. >> Trustee Subah. >> No. >> Trustee Zahar, no. President Al Jahmi. >> Yes. >> Okay, so that's two five. The motion is defeated. >> All right. Next item. >> Uh I have to read all the Sorry. So the summary of the agenda action items is number one, approval of warrants per board report 25-134. Number two,

083approval of an award to Michigan Virtual. Number three, approval of an award to Teachers Curriculum Institute LLC per board report 25-135. Number four, approval of an award to Lab Aids per board report 25-136. Number five, approval of an award to Great Minds PBC per board report 25-137. Number six, approval of an award to amplify CKLA per board report 25-138. Number seven, approval of an award to Quaver Ed Incorporated per board report 25-139. Number eight, approval of an award to Akamai Akamai Technologies. Number nine, approval of an award to EverDriven. Number 10, approval of an award to JMD Building Restoration per board report 25-140. Numbers 11 through 14, approval of non-instructional and instructional personnel items for people Number 15, approval of financial statement. Number 16, approval of the 2026-2027 Wayne-Resa budget per board report 25-146. And

084number 18, approval of donations. The next item uh on the agenda is Board of Education business. Starting with acknowledgement of correspondence. >> I think the correspondence over the last month um has been regarding the the superintendent um process and you know, other issues that came to the district and we've been replying to them and as I said before, we are limited to what we could say in certain situations. I don't have anything else besides those. Unless anybody else has something. >> Next is board member committee and organization reports. >> Go ahead, Trustee Glenn. >> Um we had a policy committee meeting earlier this evening um and we brought forth uh a slew of proposals. Um three of which are new proposals, one regarding AI, one regarding a cell phone policy update to um in tandem

085with the the state law that has changed. Um an update to our micro-mobility vehicle policy, and then an update to our parliamentary authority policy. Um, and then additionally, there is um, a resolution on the table, um, brought forth by Trustee Bazzy regarding the Rowan Act, which I think I will defer to him to if he wants to speak a little further on that. >> Go ahead, please. >> So, this is a resolution, uh, the text of which has not changed that I shared with the board a couple months ago in support of House Bill 4517 and 4518, together known as the Rowan Act, that would update the Amber Alert system, uh, to go beyond, uh, um, just the requirement of a child that is, um, suspected to have abduction. It would expand it to mean,

086uh, a child that is in danger. Wireless alert can be sent to phones, uh, through, uh, uh, police authorities, uh, when needed. Uh, it would also, um, allow for adults up to age 26 if they have been identified needs. Uh, so, that would update the Amber Alert system. And then also, Senate Bill 456 would update the wireless, uh, alert system to allow for any adult that is in, uh, in danger, and police authorities, uh, find it, uh, uh, useful to be able to issue a wireless alert to phones, uh, deemed, uh, appropriate. Um, again, this is the same text that was shared a couple months ago. I know that typically this, this text would be shared at this point. We would wait till the next board meeting and then approve, but given that the text

087has not changed, then it's the same, do request if the board, uh, approves that we could, uh, approve that tonight, and then have this transmitted to the House, the Senate, and the Governor, uh, in our support for approval of these bills. >> Okay. So, do we need a motion? We need a motion. >> Yes, so, you can just move that we adopt that resolution that we've all read, and then they need a second, and we can discuss if we want, and then it will be >> So, I move, uh, that we support, uh, resolution in support of Michigan House Bill 4517 or 4518 together known as the Rowan Act and Senate Bill 456. >> I'll support. >> All right. Any discussions? If no discussion, then roll call. >> Trustee Bezic. >> Yes. >> Trustee D'Ambrogio.

088>> Yes. >> Trustee Mozip. >> Yes. >> Trustee Pelicok. >> Yes. >> Trustee Suba. >> Yes. >> Trustee Zahar, yes. President Al-Jahmi. >> Yes. >> Thank you. >> Deserves the applause. >> Um I just want to jump back to my update really quick, sorry. Those those policies that were discussed, they were shared. We gave our feedback in the policy committee to to administrative team to to make some updates, but these will come forth for discussion next month. A few of them are are new and lengthy and might, you know, need a all of our eyes on it. So, please take your time to review them and and share your thoughts and comments comments on there and be prepared to discuss that next month. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Go ahead, Trustee Bezic. >> Sorry,

089I know it's late and I just said thank you and it was very monotone, but I just wanted to give a little more thank you to this board for supporting this resolution and supporting our children and our vulnerable children and adults. I think I hope that this these laws will or these bills will be passed into law sooner than later so that we can make sure that we take care of our children and our vulnerable adults be it in a school be it out in the community. We have the technology. There is no significant cost to making this happen. We just need to have the will to pass these bills and make them law. So, again, thank you so much for the support and I will be happy to stand shoulder to shoulder with you

090guys when these become law and we made a difference. Thank you. >> Thank you. Uh next >> Next item is board member and superintendent commentary. >> Any trustees there? >> So, um first of all, um I'd like to uh congratulate Mr. Salehi again on getting appointed as our superintendent last week. Um I think that one of your most pressing tasks in the beginning will be replacing the crazy amount of talent that we're losing um due to retirements of people who have dedicated their professional lives to us. So, I just want to take a minute to say thank you again to uh Tom Wall and David Mussinan and congratulations. Is Did May Sun leave? I would have left, too. So, May Sun, congratulations to May Sun Alibazzi who was uh been our HR started out as

091a teacher with us and now's been our HR director for a while. Been with us for two How almost long time? >> Yeah, long time. >> And moving on to become the deputy superintendent at the state with our former superintendent Mr. Maleko. So, that's to my count um five pretty important positions that you need to replace, Mr. Wall, Mr. Mussinan, May Miss Alibazzi, you, >> Joanne Harris. >> Joanne, sorry. Joanne Harris. And frankly, the job that you already got hired for, which is replacing this person over here. Um our uh Lemise who has done a great job. Um and so, I just wanted to say that for the record. Last week, I believe it was Friday. Was Friday the Amelia's prom? Thursday or Friday? >> Thursday. Thursday night, I I was so lucky to go

092to this event called Amelia's prom. I don't know if any of you have been to it before. Of course, I'm sure all of you >> night of the year. >> Yes. Um it's a it's a I I tried to I was So, it's run it's it's organized by a wonderful woman who works for us named Iman Noura out of Fort Zum, and I tried to convince her that this was a school event so we could take credit for it, but she was like, "No, you know, it's kind of but not really." But anyway, it's something that is done in our district by people in our district. A prom for our kids with special needs, and it was such uh uplifting night uh for me. And so, to everyone who put that together, um I just

093want to say thank you. You know, uh you know, we're only as good as as um as we are when we are taking care of those who need the most taken care of if that sounds right. So, um I just thought it was amazing. And it's the first time I saw it with my own eyes. So, uh I also shout out to Mr. Salie and Mr. Roar for the uh amazing amount of dance moves I saw them >> that's not true. >> putting in that night. >> Uh I don't know how to dance. I don't know how to dance, but those kids forced you on the dance floor. >> Not all which could be repeated or appropriate for people of your stature in the community. >> No regrets. >> But you did a great job.

094>> Thank you. >> So, thank you thank you for that. Um Yeah. I I also I also just want to say that um I've known uh Trustee D'Ambrosio for a really long time. And uh since before we served on this board together, um through just regular meetings, watching his work, hanging out with people that we know, and I've always known him to be a and we have not always agreed on uh many things, but always known him to be a honest man of integrity. And I And I took liberties in our break uh not liberties, but I took the opportunity of our break to go back and watch because I thought I understood what he said a week ago at our meeting and I and I wanted to go back and watch and um you

095know, he's he definitely said that um he didn't agree with the findings of the teachers and but he said, "I don't want to say they are false." So, he didn't say they are false. I didn't I didn't believe in them. He even acknowledged that some people don't want to put their names forward out there and he called that unfair. So, the notion that um he was saying that things were fabricated or something like that is just it wasn't what I understood at the time and it's not what I understand now. Um and so uh I just wanted to say that on the record and I wanted to wait till the end of the meeting when um when there weren't that many students here and that kind of thing so that it it didn't look like

096we were bickering. Um but I I just I understood what he was saying at the time and I just confirmed that for myself and uh and and I just wanted to say on the record that it didn't come across to me that he was accusing anybody of something like fabrication or anything like that, but that just he had a problem with it and that's what we all have the right to say and the right to do. Um I also want to say briefly and I I I'll say this part without >> May we extend again? >> I'm sorry. >> Yeah, could we extend again? >> Could we extend? Oh, sure. Motion to extend the meeting for 15 minutes. >> Second. Roll call. >> Uh Mozip. >> Yes. >> Bazzi. >> Yes. >> Zar, yes. Demberger.

097>> Yes. >> Pelechkov. >> Yes. >> Saba. >> Yes. >> Jafri. >> Yes. >> Um the last thing I I to say and I'll say this without um saying any names, but I just wanted to wanted get us all on the same page if we could. So, last week we had um something that came up with us about and it and and the and there was a question about whether or not to get our lawyer, Mr. Blaylock, working on something. I think everyone knows what I'm talking about if you remember the emails that we're sending back. And I and I just and I and I communicated to the board at that time that I feel like before we um would put Mr. Blaylock and subsequently get a bill for lots of hours that we should

098talk about it. Um and talk about whether or not we actually want to do that uh in this particular instance. And I don't want to I mean, it's been brought up publicly at a meeting, but I just don't I don't want to um bring up the specifics of it again now. But, it's my point of view um at least personally that we should not be engaging Mr. Blaylock uh in hours of work on this item that was brought up. Um I don't know if it'll be enough that we can each kind of quickly say whether or not we want to do it and then he could be directed to do it if a majority of us do want him to start spending hours and getting billed for this or if it's clear uh that we

099do not want him to uh go down that road. Um I don't want to say too much about the specifics. I don't know if I should or shouldn't. I mean, it's been brought up, but >> Um I'm not sure if everybody read my board brief, but I did give um >> Mr. Blaylock's opinion on that. >> On what? >> On on the question at hand. >> And I did >> If he should be if he should be retained or not by an individual or a board. So, if you if you I don't know if you read that or not. >> I didn't catch that. I didn't read So what was his opinion? >> so if I could respond >> confidential either. >> Sorry. Sure. I I did talk to him today cuz I I lost

100um some trust in the communication between the chair and the legal during the the the search process. And I talked to him today and I said, "Did I do the right thing by forwarding it to you without really saying anything and and saying you know, our legal should be the one that responds to this?" And he said, "District is responsible for the trustees. No one from the district should be should not be unrepresented. So what was done uh it's appropriate to refer it to legal when another legal entity uh questions a board member." So in talking to him and we could bring him uh next week. And I and I would recommend having him come every meeting because right now it's it's a you know, we bring in OMA, Robert's Rules, and a lot of

101things. And and I love the way we have it at HFC where we have legal there to give us uh feedback. But in talking to him today, he said, "What was done was right. And when there's a legal issue that is directed to a board member, it should be referred to our lawyer because they they need to be represented and they are a part of the district and they need to be defended. So we're following process, nothing out of the ordinary. And I would ask, you know, with all due respect, let's not be the district lawyer. Um trustees are in some cases or reply all. There there is situation where we could call the lawyer and ask him. But right now uh the chair has the right to have direct contact with the our legal

102representation. >> That's not what I'm objecting to. Or not That's not what I'm talking about. >> Well, you're you're talking about the email that we we copied the lawyer um to basically and it's hard to kind of say it because I don't want to say too much to say someone inquired a a lawyer for someone else um replied and questioned to what one of our trustees did or questioned. And instead of us replying to it, we referred him to our lawyer. So, are we saying just give me give me a Are we saying from a district uh uh Lemieux's and Trustee Bazie that we cannot communi- we cannot have the lawyer um be the one that replies to another legal entity when a trustee's being questioned? >> No, I'm not I'm not saying that. >>

103I'm not following that, but in response to can legal provide support for one trustee? The answer is yes because that trustee is part of a board. >> Correct. >> Yes. >> So, in doing that, what we did was legitimate uh because we don't want to reply to another um entity's legal team because we're not equipped for it. And Trustee Mazie, go ahead. >> Yeah, what you're saying is definitely correct from the trainings that I have at MASB, they said, you know, whenever you're there is another attorney that is contacting the board, that's where the board members step out and let's the attorneys handle things. So, if we're being asked of questions from an attorney of a union then our attorney should be empowered to respond. Now, you were saying that we have to give direction

104to the attorney. So, if if that's a a legal memo, I believe our attorney is the best person to respond to that memo. >> That's That's not what I'm getting at. >> Okay, then please clarify. >> let me clarify what I'm getting at. Um I I'm not getting at whether or not a um a trustee can call up Mr. Blaylock and ask for legal advice on a specific issue. That's totally okay. I'm not I'm not um >> That's not what happened. >> I know. I know. I'm saying that I just want to be clear that that's not what I'm talking about. I'm saying that if a if a if a if a trustee has starts a what could turn what turned into what could turn into a legal dispute between the board cuz it would

105be between the board and another entity that we should all first say that we would like to enter that legal dispute. That's what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about asking him for his advice or or directing a letter towards him I mean, whatever. I'm not talking about that. And it's a different beast than what we have at the college cuz at the college we have a general counsel and that we're not paying them extra to show up to the meeting. That's part of their salary and their job. Here, you know, um every time somebody called he's not on a retainer. He's not on uh anything like that. If you call up Mr. Blaylock, he charges you by the hour every 6 minutes. Like good lawyers do. So, um it costs us money every time

106we do it. So, and this would and this particular dispute would be something that might take hours and hours of his time. So, I'm talking about do we need to discuss whether or not we want to even pursue such a dispute before not referring a letter from another lawyer to him. Okay, that's fine. But we we don't want to give him the impression that okay, you respond to her, she responds to you. Now there's this whole thing going on, which could cost thousands and thousands of dollars, which we might not even want to get into. As a board, is that is that make sense what I'm saying to everybody? >> Well, I I think the trustees are >> That's what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about um >> So so as a chair, my

107role is to make sure that each of each trustee has the legal protection when another entity, legal entity, comes in. Now, this is where, you know, the superintendent steps in and mitigate, you know, for it not to become um costly, like you say. But if you or anybody else is questioned by another legal entity, you know, my role is to respond to and but also to to utilize the legal um our legal support to make sure you're protected and everyone's protected. Um we cannot reply to another lawyer when they question us about something. We're not looking to make a big case out of it, but we need some advice how to handle a situation. It's not that we're looking to make a big case out of it and and and we're looking to make sure

108that he gives us the legal advice and the protection is if for everyone here, and say, "This is what I think you should do." And if it's to make it go away, meaning you know, not pursuing any further, then that would be his legal advice. We're not looking for him to go to court and and and uh fight this battle, but it's it's it's really important that each one of us have here have the legal um representation. As, you know, Adam Laylock said, he said it's it's within your right as a trustee to have legal representation. And legal representation does not mean going to court and making a big case out of it. It could be as simple as um I wrote this and this is my advice to the board to handle that in

109the least amount of time or to uh whether to apologize or, you know, do a letter. It's it's just to make it to give us the legal representation and go to legal advice. So, I I don't know if you want us to, when we have something like that, not to go to legals. >> No, that's not what I'm saying. We initiated this dispute. Or one of our trustees initiated >> really matter if we hold on. It does When things happen, because as we speak here, I could speak about something right now. Like we're talking about the files and somebody could come in and you know, sue us. Are you saying that we individually have to protect ourself in in situation that relates to the district? >> No. >> Okay, so I don't understand what are

110you proposing. Yeah, I I don't I don't get it. I think it's it's >> Okay, it's okay. I'll try to do it again in with in 30 seconds. If we or one of us in issues a in it initiates a dispute or grievance with a not a grievance, I don't want to say that word. A dispute with a union or how let's say a union on how they conduct themselves and it stays between us and the union, okay? Fine. I mean, I still think all of us should decide whether or not we want to engage in that uh dispute with the union, but um but especially now and they engage a lawyer, which happened in this case, and they come back to us and then we engage our lawyer which is now going to become

111costly and we initiated this thing, then we should But, what if a majority of us don't want to initiate this thing? That's what I'm That's what I mean. >> So, so just for the record, you know, the the discussion is not related to me. I am performing Hold on a second. I am performing a role of a chair, and I just want to be For me, the individual if you make a um If you ask a question regarding a staff member or And this is what the situation is regarding a staff member or something, and they come back to you with a lawyer, then we have their right. Each individual have the right for us to seek advice from our legal team. I'm still confused with what you're trying to limit because one day >>

112have a a compromise or Uh we can utilize MASB attorney because they they they don't charge us for legal advice. Um so, we can forward them the attorney the letter that we received, and then we ask them for their advice. >> Is that what you're asking? Is to go through MASB and not to go through >> So, that doesn't uh charge the district any money, but it gives us a legal opinion from somebody who represents a lot of districts or gives advice to a lot of districts on these kind of situations. >> if it's more than a legal opinion, at times it's to protect the trustees. Um And And everyone here should always put themselves in that situation. Today, it's one person. Tomorrow, it's another person. We cannot, you know, come in here into these

113meetings and bringing our own attorneys. >> Trustee Petlikof. >> Okay. Um I think what I'm hearing from trustees are is um Where does the accountability fall when one trustee does something on his own independently, but it may be viewed when you engage a lawyer for the full board as if we are all accountable for one trustee's behavior. And where where does the responsibility lie in an individual trustee's um accountability? I think what we really need to end up doing and and and should the full board um assume the um price of that? Asking for advice is one thing, but then moving forward to defend one person who was not acting on behalf of the board, but in their own individual um pursuit of a of an issue and and may or may not have um

114created a dispute. We as a board I I believe should have some kind of um MASB training that lays out again to and reminds everybody about um board behavior as a whole um and how we should conduct ourselves in certain circumstances that will not end us in a in a place where a line has been crossed and it's time to either I can be quiet now if we want to >> Sure, I'll make a motion to extend the meeting by another 15 minutes. >> Second. >> Uh Trustee Moseb? >> Yes. >> Trustee Bazzi? >> Yes. >> Trustee Zahra, yes. Trustee D'Ambrogio? >> Yes. >> Trustee Pelichkov? >> Subah? >> Yes. >> El Jahmi? >> Yes. >> Yeah, I agree Trustee Pelichkov because once the lawyer gets involved, he's representing all of us. >> Right. >>

115Okay, and that's that's the issue here, right? If if if a if Mr. Blaylock starts communicating with someone else's from with the union's lawyer, he's not communicating in the name of one trustee, he's communicating for all of us. >> And yet we have not assumed the responsibility of the action. >> like to take on this this thing. That's what I'm talking about. >> Yeah. >> And and I think we should So, you know, in other words, we if five of four or five of us don't want to do that, then we shouldn't put Mr. Blaylock on it. Now, that's a different than just referring to you know, asking him for his advice on one thing. And I don't think actually MAASB would be able to give legal advice cuz it's a specific you know, MAASB

116gives advice on like, okay, was this violation of the OMA something really generic. This is like specific to us, which they would probably then just tell you go refer to your own lawyer, which um again, I mean >> They would say refer to your own lawyer? >> If you if as a board, if the board wants to take on something like >> make a motion to not engage Mr. Blaylock. >> Uh okay, I could, but I mean we could do it for >> But I I I think trustees are This is not a disrespect. You're acting like you're becoming the P12 um lawyer in some cases. And and trustee Petrakov, you're exaggerating when you say behavior it as if somebody did something despicable. >> I didn't say this I I don't know how what word

117to use for an action that was taken by a trustee. >> Yeah, but when we say their behavior is somebody's acting out of line. >> I didn't say that. >> Well >> It's insinuated that. >> It's coming across that way. My thing is people don't know the situation that happened. Somebody questioned Could I say some of it? >> It was brought up in a meeting publicly last >> questioned the email that was sent during work hours. >> Yes. >> And that's the thing that we're exaggerating. And they took it upon themselves to bring the union into it. Um because in the question also did the the members um, was it did the members was it a part of it did the members uh, >> Well, that's not a legal >> The the legal the legal

118issue was did this person act basically improperly by doing something during work hours. Whether or not they pulled their members as a political question, not a not a >> but but my point is this has happened before. There's a precedence where an employee was reprimanded for doing email during work hours. And trustee Mazza been please stop me if I'm stepping in on your He asked the question. That's not a behavior issue. That's a question. All they have to answer and prove. >> And and it could have been this wasn't an oversight and I'm sorry and we move on. And we're already >> find and and >> But I don't know why they obviously brought in an attorney and sending you a letter, which is I think our attorney should just respond to the letter. And

119if I trust if I acted um, or overstepped my boundaries as a trustee of asking an individual uh, uh, employee if they were on their time or not, I I truly apologize for that. Maybe we should go through a motion and ask for that if they if we want that to be in their personal file. I I don't want to pursue that further. So, um, the case is probably moot and uh, I was just hoping that our attorney would just respond to them and tell them exactly how my feelings are as far as how do I feel about the situation. That's not going to happen again. If we need to inquire about employees time, I think it is proper that we do uh, we do a motion >> By the way, I think you inquiring

120about somebody doing something on their time is totally proper. >> Yeah, that's proper. >> It's not accusing them of doing anything. >> an inquiry like that is totally proper, I think from a trustee. I'm saying once once they engage an attorney, first of all, just cuz they engage an attorney doesn't mean we have to go engage Mr. Blaylock. That's number one, because then it's being engaged on behalf of the board. That's all I'm saying. And once he's doing when he's doing something, he's doing it on behalf of the board. >> So, what >> And we might not want to pursue that as a board. >> What what are we supposed to do if a trustee is is there's legal entities that question them? And that's not a behavior issue. I I think we're exaggerating because

121there's personal agenda. Um what are we supposed to do? Just say, "Okay, you're on your own. Go get a call Sam?" >> No, and you're misinterpreting. I'm talking about a generic a generic I didn't even want to identify Trustee Moseley in this. What I'm saying is >> So, so what do you want us to do? Who do we call? >> I'm not saying anything about doing anything. You're not You're not hearing uh what I'm saying. I'm saying that when that we need to have some some um training in how to approach areas of responsibility, accountability, board um and I know you don't want me to use the word behavior, board um >> Connie. >> roles >> Yes. >> so that so that we all understand where where our our ability is to um as a

122trustee when we're either acting on our own or acting on behalf of the full board in our representation. >> So, she >> And I'm and I had noth- I wasn't even directing it at Trustee Moseley. I was saying it was a generic question of how do we identify? >> I think for me when people say conduct or behavior, it makes it seem like there's misconduct and there's something >> I'm sorry you you hear it that way. >> And and and for me that's why we presented I presented what actually happened. It's very minor in the scheme of thing and if the other side decides to take it to the legal side, that's on them. But as the chair, my role is to make sure everyone here is not left on their own. And we seek

123legal advice to present it to us and this is where the superintendent comes in and works with the, you know, Adam and maybe there's mitigation that could help resolve the issue without going into a costly endeavor. Uh but we cannot just say we received the legal document and not reply to it. I mean, that's just the gist of it. We get a legal document for any one of you. My role is to make sure that we get the proper legal advice. Go ahead, Trustee Bennett. >> I'm hearing two things. One, doesn't matter what the scenario is, we should receive something as a board from a lawyer. And Charles me is basically saying we received something from a lawyer that I think I want our lawyer to look at before we do anything with it. Doesn't

124matter what the situation is, something that warrants that. Then there's the actual situation and I think that's the things that we've been talking about. That's what That's what I hear unless I'm hearing something different. >> Yeah, I I think you said it right in the situation when we receive legal you know, I'm not a lawyer. I mean, I'm not going to rely on ChatGPT for that. And as a lawyer is is somebody that's not in legal, we we hired a legal firm to give us advice and it's not like everything that they they handle or touch is going to become a case or a proceeding or you know, this is where we have a superintendent, we have other people that will work together with them, but we want the legal advice first. >> Why sorry.

125>> Go ahead, Trustee. >> If if I may, so we in this case, we received a letter from the um the lawyer of the union. And that made specific demands. It's made It's made a specific demand to respond to a whole litany of like legal inquiries within 10 days. I I'm saying it is an option to tell our lawyer do nothing. Like we don't want to pursue this. That's what I'm That's what I'm talking about. Instead of just telling the lawyer, "Hey, can you respond to this?" Because maybe we don't want them to respond to it. That's what I'm That Is that make Does that make sense? >> Yeah, give us legal advice instead of taking action. >> Right. The advice itself could be he would come back and say, "I we should do nothing

126because this doesn't really matter." >> Yeah, but And this goes back to our fiduciary duty of racking up a legal bill, which I totally agree with. Um and it's something I've been I've been um trying to work on for a while here is to to kind of circumvent that, but um yeah, that's the old That's the whole Yeah, I both points are correct. So, I don't understand why we're going in circles again and again. I'm not understanding Well, I mean, if you guys keep engaging this way, this is part of the circle issue. Um if you both agree, let you know, let's all just move on. I think we're okay. The substantive There is substantive question legally about the the conduct, for lack of better word, um that was that took place. And that that's

127really all it is. It's not my opinion. It's not your opinion, your opinion. There's a legal issue at hand about it. Uh that's It is what it is. >> So, Trustee sir, do you think it's proper when we receive legal documents that name our trustees that we should either sit on it or I allow our lawyer to give us advice on it. >> Sure. >> Yeah, advice, but I think we're we're not understanding the word advice could be you know, hey, can you let us know if this is worth responding to? What are the implications of not responding? What is the likelihood of of you know, risk versus hey, can you answer this within 10 days, which is going to move up to the top of your list, which is going to cost us, you

128know, X amount of money. There there's that factor there and that's a decision that we should make. Not just pass it off to the lawyer. That's all it is. It is very, you know, it varies each time. >> think we we said to answer. We we wanted him to look at it. >> Sure. >> Um >> And that that's maybe helps his question. >> fairness to any one of us that's not a lawyer, when somebody sent something like that, it's it's a if I tell the lawyer, I don't want you to answer it, that means I gave him legal advice. And I am not in a position bear with me to give him legal advice. My role in him and I copied the in terms superintendent is to say, this is a document that we

129received and we want him to tell us what we should do. >> Mhm. >> Uh but I I would not read the document and say, you know, they said respond within 10 days, don't respond. That means I'm putting a trustee or the board at risk. >> Yeah, that's fine. >> So, uh what are you looking for trustees are cuz I like I got to get up tomorrow early morning. Um and a lot of us do, too. What are you looking to do? >> Well, I I would like us to decide whether or not we would like to um pursue this matter as a board. My my opinion would be no. I guess it's as simple as that. >> I agree. We don't want to pursue it and trustee Mazel, I mean, it's he doesn't want

130to pursue it. >> Okay. >> So, >> Yeah. >> He doesn't have to respond to anything. >> So trustee, I'm sorry. >> Yes. >> Lemise, could you talk to him and our goal is not to to pursue it, but we also want to protect our trustees. I mean, is that fair? >> Yeah, we haven't been uh sued or anything, so there's nothing to >> No, the let- the letter was actually just CC'd to us, sent to us, but it was only directed at and the and the 10-days notice was given to trustee Moses, not to the full board. >> Right. >> So, the full board was not engaged in it. They sent it to make us aware. >> Aware. Right. And so when we when we um again, directing Mr. Blaylock to take care of

131it and when he says, "Look, I'm in receipt of this letter and I'll connect with that other lawyer." I don't know what that means. I would like it to me I would like him not to connect with that other person cuz this just for us not to pursue this. That's my point of view. And I'm just saying before he goes and connects with them and starts going back and forth with them, we should decide whether that's something we want to pursue as a board. >> So, is your goal for me to have ask that union to retract the the legal letter? >> They don't even have to do that. We could >> I'm I'm not Yeah, I'm I'm trying to figure out my role in all this because I think part of the problem is

132that >> The >> I wasn't part of it in the beginning. >> Sure. I guess I guess it could be if we decide right now basically to tell we could ask if we wanted to or we could do it ourselves uh whether it's Mr. Blaylock or us to tell um the lawyer of the union that we're not pursuing this as a personnel matter as a board. >> That's that's fine, but um and trust and uh Mr. Rue could do that. I think of a situation that the the lawyer presses hard and asks something of Mr. of any board trustees, this is where they come in and have to support us. But right now, the intention is uh we're not pursuing anything further and we don't want it to go any further. >> So, you have

133the option, if you get a legal I'm trying to understand, if you get a served a letter, you have the option to just ignore it? >> No, I think >> I really don't know. I've never >> what the letter says, but sure. >> Okay, you can just Okay. >> Well, well, let's let's kind of clarify that. If the letter is requesting um something of a trustee an action um then we it has to be addressed because we don't want You know this. You You practice law. Deliberately uh >> I'll make I'll make a motion to extend the meeting by another 15 minutes. >> Uh Mozek. >> Yes. >> Bazzi. >> Yes. >> Zar, yes. D'Ambrogio. >> Yes. >> Pelesko. >> Yes. >> Jemi. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> So, so we would not ignore anything

134that needs an action from us. But if there's any way that we could mitigate >> Sure. >> and and and make it to a point where we don't have to go any further that would be >> I'll work on that. >> Okay. Um does that cuz I don't want to keep going back and forth >> No, as long as long as it's clear that the that the we should be telling Mr. Blaylock, "Please don't bill any hours towards this issue." I guess that's the point. >> That's not going to be If If we ask somebody to look at something we cannot tell him he cannot bill anything if he's given us advice. I mean, you're you're asking for uh pro bono. >> No, no, no. We could say to him, "Don't work on this issue

135cuz we're not pursuing this issue." >> Well, he we have to make sure that the other union the with the help of Lemise that they're not pursuing anything further. Right? >> Except from the nature of this thing, if we tell them, "Look, we're not pursuing this matter." then they're going to drop it. >> mean if if it goes away then everybody's happy. >> Well, if he if if there is a consensus to not go any further with this from both sides, that would be the preferred approach. Mitigation would probably want we would want to encourage communication so that there's both sides are are communicating and move forward in a positive way, correct? That's what we would want. I would assume. >> I mean communication is always good. In this case, it's really >> I'm not

136talking about engaging a lawyer. I'm talking about >> Oh, but I know, but I'm being tasked to mitigate between two entities. >> Sure. >> And I I want to make sure that I'm honoring the request and also, you know, I I'm I'm their >> What would Sam >> I'm I'm I'm their supervisor, okay? I am their supervisor, okay? So, am I speaking on my behalf or on the board's behalf? I need clarity because my decision that is doesn't necessarily match your decision and how you would respond. >> let me ask it like this. How many of us are interested in pursuing this personnel matter of whether or not, you know, these actions happened during uh during work hours. How many of us are interested in pursuing that? >> I finally get it what you're pursuing.

137You're pursuing that no personal matters is uh goes forward, right? Like maybe I it took me a long time. Is that what you're looking for that >> What I'm saying whether whether or not we want to pursue a personnel matter against somebody should be and if a lawyer is getting involved, that should be Yeah. >> Like answer the question and we could be on. So trustees are does not want this to go any further as far as specifically on this personnel you know like from a personal standpoint from a staff pool. From from the board and I heard trustee Mazur say he he doesn't want it to go any further. >> Okay. >> So we're on the same page. So in saying that I think we're good with that. >> What's the next item? >>

138Request for information or future agenda items. >> I guess I I believe next meeting we will have more presentation as far as the bond proposal. So are we going to have more group >> This is our Okay, so what happens now? This was our final proposal to you. From now until the next board meeting, the team is going to be seeking input from different community members. Um specifically >> staff >> Um uh Dearborn and Dearborn Heights mayor, city council, those are our first steps as they are partners in this proposal to an extent and we have a list that goes from that that includes uh union reps, um chamber of commerce, PTA. So we're that's our task from now until the next board meeting. Your task at the June board meeting is to specifically tell

139us what parts of that proposal you want and which ones you do not. >> Okay and then >> a final >> Sure. >> decision at the June board meeting and David you're not going to be here for June. I'm putting you on the spot. Yeah, you are. You're coming. >> All right, thanks. >> Thank you. >> Thanks David. >> Okay. >> So what is what is the date that Oh, sorry. What what is the date that the language needs to pre-approve by in order to get onto the ballot in November? Does anybody know the answer to that question? >> Okay. The The date is in It's in July, but your last board meeting is in June. >> So, I don't think you want to call a special meeting >> Of course. So, we don't want

140to go past June. >> think you want to call a special meeting to just approve ballot language. I don't think that would be fair to the public. I think that really that June meeting, the end of June, we should have ballot language to you prior to that meeting so that you are comfortable with the language that is going to be on the November ballot. >> would be voting on the ballot >> Yeah. Because Because we need to get that ballot language to the clerk by July or to the state by Well, not the clerk by July. So, again, it You don't want to cut it any closer than than June. >> Okay. So, our schedule says unless this says that we have >> ballot language will only be the dollar figure. It won't be the

141plan. >> Right. >> So, our P This schedule says that our next P12 meeting is June 22nd. >> Correct. >> Okay. So, at this June 22nd meeting, which you just promised to attend, um >> My wife's going to >> I know. I just saw you're going to Mackinac Island. >> We won't be back from Mackinac on >> No, that's okay. >> Enjoy your vacation. But, at this June 22nd meeting, we should expect to see So, I At this June 22nd meeting, we should be expected to be approving or see ballot language to approve. >> Yes, we and we should have that to you way prior to that meeting so that you can see >> day. Right. Okay. >> Yes, that should be your goal. >> I understand. >> All right. Let's continue on. >> This

142is not a request for information, but it might be commentary or request for information. >> Trustees are um kind of spoke on Trustee D'Ambrosio's or his understanding of Trustee D'Ambrosio's comments, and I would hope that Trustee D'Ambrosio speaks for himself and tells us or clarifies if he wants to. >> I don't need to clarify anything. That's >> If you can speak to the mic. We can't hear it. >> At this point, I don't need to clarify anything. Okay, you need to worry about taking care of your own house. >> Yeah. That That is very unfortunate to say as a board member. It's like you're being disrespectful. I'm just inquiring to speak up for yourself and clarify things. >> Oh, you should see the email that he sent me. It was It was so disrespectful, but

143>> I I have a meeting with Ms. Martin, and that's between Ms. Martin and myself, okay? All right. >> Yeah, in fact, at the I'll say at the end of the May 4th meeting, I saw Trustee D'Ambrosio and Ms. Martin having conversation at the end of that meeting. >> deserves The union deserves >> Let's all right. Let's see what we deserve. All right, you're Good. >> Future meeting dates: Monday, May 18th, 2026, HFC policy meeting, 6:00 p.m. at the Administrative Services and Conference Center in the Cabinet Conference Room. Monday, May 18th, 2026, HFC Board of Trustees meeting, 7:00 p.m. at the Administrative Services and Conference Center in the Rosenau Boardroom. Monday, June 15th, 2026. So, just to clarify, our June meetings are flipped like we have the HFC meeting before the Okay, good. Just want

144to make sure it's all right. Monday, June 15th, 2026, HFC Board of Trustees meeting, 7:00 p.m. at the Administrative Services and Conference Center in the Rosenau Boardroom. And Monday, June 22nd, 2026, which Mustonen will not be at, but it happens to be my birthday. P-12 Board of Education meeting, 7:00 p.m. at the Administrative Service Center in the Frank Frangie Boardroom, and Mustonen will be missing my >> That means this is David's and Tom's last meeting. >> Okay. This is? >> Thank you so much to the both of you. >> Thanks, everyone. >> All right. That's it. >> No other business, meeting adjourned.