April 13, 2026, P 12 Board of Education Meeting. part 2

001Everyone, we're ready to go back in session. >> We just cross out without those. >> What was that? >> We can just cross out what we don't want. >> Uh, yeah. Uhhuh. Call to order. >> All right. So, we're going to call the meeting back to session. >> Give me one second, Mr. Chair. >> Sorry, I was told by somebody that got this. >> Okay. Thank you. Um, the next item is citizen participation. Citizens wishing to address the board on agenda and non-aggenda items for action who are signed in by 7:10 p.m. or 10 minutes after the meeting starts by submitting a blue card to the board secretary may speak at this time. The board may not she can speak too. The board may not be in a position to respond to non-aggenda items. Therefore,

002speakers should not anticipate an immediate response to their comments or questions. For the benefit of all concern, do not mention the names of students or school district employees. Please keep your comments as brief as possible. There's a 3minut time limit on comments made to the board. And there's going to be a timer up on the screen. So, if you come up to speak and you see the timer getting close to 3 minutes, please wrap up because we're going to stop you right at 3 minutes. >> The first speaker is uh Fatme Hashim. Good evening board. My name is Fatima Hasham. I am a student in this district. I'm here today because decisions about staff are being made, but the impact on us students are not being fully considered. I should have spoken up about this

003in May 2025, but I did not. I regret the decision, so I will speaking now. A principal in this district is being considered for removal after dedicating 29 years to Derma public schools including 16 years as a principal. He has consistently been rated highly effective. He is known as someone who is kind, supportive, and truly cares about our students. He shows up every day, early mornings, late after school, and even on weekends because he is that committed to the students. And yet someone like that is at risk of being removed. At the same time, we've seen social workers and other principles in this district be moved or let go, even though they are some of the most important support systems that us students have. For many of us, these people are not replaceable. I know

004this personally. A social worker at my school helped me through one of the hardest times of my life, and that support made a real difference on me. I want to get a little bit personal with you guys, a story I have not told. I still remember the day I found out they were being moved. It was May 29, 2025. It didn't just affect me in that moment. It stayed with me. To this day, I still wonder just how different things would have been had they never left or gotten moved. When decisions like this are made without clear reasoning, it sends a message to us students that the people who support us the most are not being valued. Another example of this was when a award-winning principal at my school was recently pushed out of this

005district. This was very heartbreaking to see here because that staff member was one of the main lights of our school. I am asking for the board to please change the way they make these decisions because it is a huge problem that many people have been too afraid of to speak up for. I'm asking that the public can get a say in these situations because transparency should be required rather than letting someone go and leaving the community in the dark. Because at the end of the day, this isn't just about staff. It's about the students that rely on them. Not just about staff, I'm sorry. Because when you remove the people who students trust, you are not just changing staff. You are changing the stability of our schools. You're taking away safe spaces that students depend

006on every single day. Students notice these changes. We feel them. It affects how we focus in class, how comfortable we feel asking for help, and whether we feel like our voices even matter. Right now, it feels like decisions are being made about us without us. And that is why I am standing here addressing you all today. We are the ones in these schools every day. We are the ones building relationships with these staff members. We are the ones who are impacted the most when they are taken away. All we ask is for is to be heard and for the people who support us to be valued the way they truly deserve to be. Thank you. The next speaker is James McClennon. Uh good evening members of the board. Um Superintendent Soror. Um I'll be speaking

007tonight about AI. Uh, I'm going to be adjusting my speech on the fly a little bit to take into account what was presented earlier by our head of technology and by our union president so as to not repeat myself. Um, I'd like to offer uh sort of a maybe a counterbalance to some of the the ideas that we're talking about with the AI which is something that's discussed a lot seems to be looming over a lot of people's minds. Um, and so I and a lot of my other colleagues who I've talked to about this have a few concerns about the district's intent to implement a uh a partnership with Google Gemini. Thus far, my experience with Google Gemini has been that it really wants to summarize my emails, wants to respond to my emails,

008wants to rewrite the stuff that I've written. Uh, and that that concerns me. Uh it it also seems like the the newest thing that we're looking at is having AI grade our assignments and provide feedback. Uh and this this makes me and many of my colleagues uncomfortable for a number of reasons. One of which is um as much as our technology director and I have discussed um the use of a closed system within our district for our data. I I don't trust uh Google Gemini for their end of that bargain. Uh big tech has been notorious in allowing consumer data out in the the public. I I have a $30 gift card from Facebook for a class action lawsuit about how they used my data. So I I worry that we could run a file

009with Furpa law if if there was a problem on on Google's end of that deal. Um, besides the fact that if parents were to see that we were having the computer do our work for us, we might get results that were uh not happy from the parents or even maybe maybe parents getting the opinion that if we're offloading our work to the computer, maybe we don't need teachers anymore. Um, and when when we have the first lady of the United States suggesting that we could replace teachers with robots, I'm hesitant to to promote anything that that would encourage that point of view. Um, and my last point would be when it comes to how the district is spending its money right now, it is very well known that the AI companies are operating at a

010financial loss to get their get their consumer base addicted to their product. and I'm concerned with how much taxpayer money our district would be willing to spend to get summarized emails and automatically graded papers. Um, so I I hope that our district thinks about uh its use of technology and to rather than being cutting edge with the newest fads that we be cutting edge with using the tools that teachers know work the best. Thank you. Uh our next card is a yellow card uh from Amir Abu Salah. Did he leave? He's not here. >> He did leave. >> He left. Okay. Um he had a statement that I'll just submit to you, Mr. Chair, for the record about the um auto shop at Zel Ford Henry or Zel Ford High School and uh about his

011position there. The next card is a yellow card from Enas Hussein. She, for those of you who don't, just to remind the citizens, yellow cards are cards that people submit when they don't want to speak, but they ask us to read their comments for them if they if they're short and fit in this area right here. Um, she says, UNAS says, "My father-in-law is a caring and charismatic educator in our community. I envision the Dearbornne schools he has cultivated to be the one my 2-year-old son experiences. the next speaker. >> Can I do all the yellow cards and get them out of the >> You do? Yeah. >> Yeah. Just get the yellow cards out of the way. Okay. The next yellow card is from Muhammad Jaffer. He says, "The principal McDonald is a beloved

012educator and youth advocate of our community. Any student that enters his orbit is met with his kindness, wisdom, and mentorship. I'm here in support of him. And the last yellow card is from Ginan Bezi and it says, "The principal at McDonald has made an amazing impact in the district and deserves to continue to be part of the district for many more years." Okay, back to the in-person threeminut green cards. The next speaker is Muhammad Azab A. How do you say your last name? >> Alazab. >> Alaz. Oh, there he is. >> Is that safe? >> Can you stand up here? Be careful. >> Are his any of his parents here? Can you come stand? >> You ready? >> Okay. And then get your mouth. close to this microphone as you can. Okay. >> Okay. >>

013Hello, my name is Muhammad and I am in second grade. I want to tell you about my principal, Dr. Mooney. He is very kind and cares about all the kids at our school. Every morning, he smiles and says hello to us, and that makes me feel happy and safe. I think it's really cool that Dr. wears glasses just like me. It makes him feel friendly and like someone I can look up to. Dr. Mooney helps us do our best. He cheers for us when we try hard and make sure everyone is treated nicely. He helps teachers too. And when the teachers are happy, we can learn better. He makes school a place where me want to come every day. I believe it's important to do what's right and Dr. Mooney always does the right thing.

014He treats everyone fairly, listens to people and makes our school a place that Thank you for listening to me. >> All right, our next speaker is Ibrahim Laza. Are you okay by yourself? >> Okay, get close to the microphone. >> Good evening, members of the board. My name is Ibraim and I am in fourth grade. I want to share why I think our principal, Dr. Mugni, makes a real difference at our school. Dr. Mugni makes our school a safe and welcoming place. He he talks to students, listens to our problems, and helps us feel respected. I've seen him encourage students who are struggling and celebrate students when they succeed. That makes a big difference because it makes us want to work hard, and be kind to others. Dr. Moody leads our school with fairness and

015care. He helps make sure sure rules are fair, solves problems when they come up, and sets a good example for everyone. His leadership makes students feel confident, safe, and ready to do their best every day. Because of Dr. Mugni, our school is a place where people matter and everyone can succeed. He inspires us to try harder and treat each other with respect. I'm proud to be a student here and I hope he can keep helping kids like me reach their best. Thank you. >> Can you keep it close by Tom because I think we might need it a few more times. Okay. Our next speaker is Malik Lazab. Is it Malak or Malik? It's Malik. >> Malik. Thank you. Our next speaker is Mel Kazab. >> All right. Um, good evening everyone. My name is

016Mala Kazab and I want to reintroduce myself. So, I am a 2021 graduate of Henry Ford Early College and an alumni of Dearborn Public Schools. I'm also the older sister of two students currently enrolled at McDonald Elementary, which you just heard um a little bit earlier. So, I appear before you tonight um as requested by McDonald Elementary Families to share their perspectives prior to your final deliberation regarding Dr. Adnan Mugni. And while I'm not a parent myself, I am also speaking as a representative voice of parents who have requested that their concerns and support be communicated at this stage of the process. So, I'd like to note that many McDonald Elementary families were unable to make it to the previous board meeting due to the timing of Ramadan. And um since that meeting, additional parents

017have expressed their views through documented student absences um on that subsequent uh school day. And um that was intended by parents to reflect their concerns and to ensure that their position is formally recognized by the district. And the reason I'm saying this, it's not presented as a statement of protest, but simply as a reflection of engaged parental involvement and concern um about a administrative decision that has significant consequence to their school community. So Dr. Moines's long-standing service within Dearborn Public Schools is recognized by many families as meaningful and impactful. Families recognize his contribution as part of the school's broader educational environment and instructional functioning. The parents I represent respectfully ask that this record of input of community input that Dr. Adnan Mugni has done be considered as part of your final review. As this board

018moves toward its decision, we respectfully request that all community perspectives um both procedural and informal be weighed carefully and reflected upon um in accordance with the district's commitment to fair and comprehensive consideration of stakeholder input. Thank you again for your time and for allowing me to speak on behalf of the McDonald Elementary families. Our next speaker is Miriam Fawz. >> Is she here? >> Yes. >> Oh, okay. >> You don't have to recline. >> Okay. You don't have to. Um, give me one second. >> I think you're restart the timer, please. >> Yeah, reset the timer until she's ready. >> I'm ready. Go ahead. Go ahead. >> So, first I'd like to say asalamaikum. Good evening, everyone. Interim superintendent Sud, President Al Jahi, and the rest of you school board trustees. My name is Mim

019Pawaz, and I'll be reading a statement on behalf of a former teacher from Dearborn Public Schools in support of Dr. Mugni, who was unable to make it tonight, unfortunately. She says, "My name is Sarah Ali and I'm a former teacher at Henry Ford Elementary of eight years. I took a personal leave in 2022 and officially resigned in 2025. I worked with Dr. Mugni for 5 years. He was a strong principal, someone I learned a lot from and I genuinely enjoyed teaching while he was there. It wasn't it wasn't until after he was transferred to McDonald in 2019 when new leadership came in that things shifted with me. The change in leadership was a major reason I ultimately resigned. At that time, I told myself maybe experience was isolated. I hoped it was. I hope no

020one had to deal with the kind of disrespect and intimid intimidation I felt. But hearing what's happening to Dr. Mugney now, it's hard to ignore the pattern. The same issues, disrespect, intimidation, and bullying keep showing up. It seems to me that in this district, appearance is valued over actual impact. And to many in positions of power, it got there at the expense of others. Terminating Dr. Mochnney feels like just another step in the same pattern. Nothing will change in this district when until educators are treated like human beings with understanding, empathy, respect, and grace. Especially educators like Dr. Muknney who genuinely live in the district's motto of putting students first. Terminating Dr. Muki is not only a loss for the children and families in this district. It's also a window for them to see how

021this district is really opening. I just hope that they are willing to look through it. And on behalf of myself, I'd like to say that you have a whole community behind you. You have young students that are coming up to speak to tell you how they feel. That should speak volumes. That should show you that your community wants him here, that he's truly effective. Thank you. Our next speak our next speaker is >> Sugni approach. >> Okay, just one second. I'm just providing a copy of my speech so you could follow along. And also earlier today I emailed everybody on the board including interim superintendent Shore um the the petition signatures of our ongoing petition just because it would be environmentally unfriendly for 30 pages to be printed out for all of you. I'm just

022Thank you. >> Good evening. Following the March 9th meeting, we received phone calls, emails, and messages from community members on how we can keep this beloved and respected educator where he belongs. Macdonald Elementary as their principal. Since then, the petition created on February 17th has increased in signatures, now totaling to 1168. When my father began at McDonald, his secretary of just two months told me he kills people with kindness. that defines who he is. Leading by example and remaining respectful despite seven years of mistreatment. My household received a letter informing us that HR had suggested terminating his contract. We received this on Ramadan Eve. How have we not questioned the cruelty of this action? My family spent the entirety of the month of Ramadan, the celebration of Eid, my nephew's second birthday, and the days

023that follow in anguish, preoccupied with the uncertainty of our future. Please tell me how you could fathom explaining the contents of this letter to your father, as I was the one that had to open it. The letter was sent without any prior disclosure. My father shows up for his job the way he shows up for my siblings and I and he has done so for the entirety of his career. The 29 years he has served students in the district as a formal employee and the additional two years he was a long-term sub at Fortson and Salina. My dad views days off as optional. Hence why he has only taken two days off in the past 25 years. It's a testament to his work ethic and commitment to the students. He plans for the week and

024even the school year ahead. when he was at Henry Ford and even now at McDonald's, you can see his copper colored Buick parked in his usual spot at 9:00 a.m. on Saturdays or nearly every day during the summer. Despite the mistreatment he has received, he has still been consistent in the way he shows up and it shows that his der determination for student success is unwavering. Growing up, quality time with my dad has always been my favorite thing. This looked like study dates in his office on Saturdays where I was doing homework and he was budgeting or planning or creating resources to share with others. He made time for my travel soccer games and even coached practices. We bond over the love of baseball and the Tigers. Whether it be at a game or the

025comfort of our couch at home. Summers were spent week to week at the library participating in the summer reading program. To date, from 2011 till now, I had visited the library with my dad 347 times. If my dad shared a certain program or extracurricular with parents, he made sure to involve me in it. About a week ago, a former teacher by the same name as me told me when she was hired by my dad. That he jokingly told her, "You were my top candidate due to having the same name as my daughter." This quip was not only a light-hearted joke, but it showcases my father's humanity and approach to education. He makes decisions with the students best interest in mind and makes decisions for them as he would his own children. I understand the admiration

026others have for my father, the excitement families have when they see us at 9:00 a.m. at Walmart, at appointments when my doctor tells me about the time he got sent to his office instead of telling me my lab results, or the similarity in the expressions of current and former students when they know I'm his daughter. I'm proud to be his daughter and I stand as one of the many products of his selflessness and love for our community. Our community stands firmly. Our community stands strong and our community stands together for Dr. Mugni. Thank you. ALL RIGHT. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS GAZAL BOYCE. OH, OKAY. LIKE, >> can we move it up for Can we move the uh uh David, can you unscrew it and move it up a little closer to her mouth? >> Yeah.

027just >> Yep. >> Okay. >> We'll see how it works. Give it a shot. >> Good evening, respected members of the board of education. My name is Razal Busi and I am a fifth grade student. I would like to speak about our principal who has had a big impact on us since first grade. Our principal treats us with kindness and respect, encourages us to succeed and makes us feel safe and confident. He listens to us and cares about every student. He also makes us feel special in different ways. One main thing he usually does in the honor assembly to celebrate students who meet their growth. We feel very lucky to have him and because of him we love our school and feel excited to learn every day. Thank you. >> Just a quick point of

028um information. Do we when do we have to make a motion to extend the meeting? >> Not 9 9:30, right? Or 10 o'clock. 10 o'clock. >> 10 o'clock. >> Yeah. And then we extend it for 15 minutes. And we got to do it >> every time. And we got to do it every 15 minutes. >> You want just do it now? We're going to be here after >> at 10. >> It's 9:45 right now. >> No, no. We make the >> got to wait till it's 10:00. >> You have to wait till right before 10 o'clock. Okay, great. >> Our next speaker is Haidar Hussein. Good evening board. My name is Haidra Hassin from the creative needs project. We worked with various we work with various Michigan school districts and hospital systems for the disabled.

029I want to emphasize how instrumental Dr. Mia has been in our collaboration with Debon public schools. Without his leadership, we would have not have been able to provide these essential opportunities for special needs students. Our organization was able to grow starting off to be able to be working with children's hospital and without the support of Dr. McNe and giving us the experience I feel like we wouldn't be where we at today. Dr. McNeia was the first and only administrator that worked closely with our organization to establish us and our programs and several Dearborn schools after failed attempts working with with other administration administrators who lacked followrough. Dr. Dr. Mane has organized and taught us the protocols and proper avenues and channels to go about when scheduling events and communicating with Darwin public schools. Dr. Mia

030has Dr. Moia, his ASD staff and CMP all collaborated on enhancing the McDonald sensory room. At the beginning of the year, Dr. Moia is always responsive and open to working with us. He allowed us to test run testr run an autism awareness event we eventually pulled off at a larger scale at Whitmore Bowls in Salina. Our volunteers always report how kind he is, always making them feel appreciated. His removal will affect our relationship and collaboration moving forward. And that is all. Thank you. Okay. Our next speaker is Sabrin. Is that right? Okay. Next speaker is Sabrin Hassan. >> Good evening, members of the board. My name is Sabrine. >> Good evening. >> I am the older sister of an autistic student in the school district who not too long ago was spoken about by another

031brave woman in a past school board meeting. My brother was held inhumanely, face down to the ground, witnessed by my own parents. My parents lost trust in the school system. They lost sleep. Their mental health suffered as a result. On behalf of my family and myself, we appreciate the principal of McDonald's Elementary School. About two years ago, he began attending. We saw a noticeable difference. Then the transition was very rough and he feared the sight of a school building. He fear the sight of a yellow school bus. Can you fathom that? A kid being scared of bus that could send him into a spiral for days screaming, crying meltdowns. The principal worked closely with my family. He worked closely. He stayed outside of the building for several days straight just waving to our car because

032that's how scared my brother was of seeing a school building. It was a long process, but he had the patience and the compassion to do so. I have never known a principal ever to do this, to go that far. Do not make the mistake of looking past one of the truest and most compassionate leaders and advocates in this community for children and the special education community. The handful of times I have visited his office, students would come down and I kid you not, in groups smiling just to give him treats from classroom parties just to do that. He's the first person I see when I arrive at the building and the last person I've noted when I left. He would do some something as simple out of his job description as move traffic cones just

033to ensure students safely crossing. I have never seen a more visible and humble principal than him. If you wanted a glimpse of the individual and educator he is, you have to understand it was not easy for us to trust airborne schools again after what had happened. I spent nights worried that my brother would not have the ability to learn again or be safe in a school system. I urge you if you care about students and students like my brother, you will make the wise decision to keep Dr. where he belongs. It would be a detrimental loss not just to that building, not just the community, but to you guys as a whole. I can safely say Dr. Mo is irreplaceable. Let's reiterate those stats again. There should be accommodation for that, for his dedication, all

034his tenure. And again, Dr. Mooney is irreplaceable. Thank you. Our next speaker is Dr. Angela Mini. >> Good evening. >> I'm Dr. Angela and I'm here today to speak in support of my father as someone who has had a front row seat to his career for many, many years. One of my favorite childhood memories was Take Your Daughter to Work Day. Thank you. Partly because I got to skip out on school, but mostly because I got to witness my dad in his element teaching, guiding, supporting, and enriching the lives of every student that he encountered through Salina, Woodworth, Ununice, Henry Ford, and now McDonald. The one thing that has remained constant in an everchanging world, it has been my father's unwavering love for his work. My siblings and I all have countless memories of people

035approaching us with stories of how my dad shaped them, made them laugh, supported them, and gave them detention. There are three things in this life that make my dad's world turn, and I'd like to touch on them briefly. First, his children, my brother, my sister, and me. Growing up, my dad's favorite gift to give us was books. We'd even make weekly trips to Henry Ford Centennial Library for new finds. 5-year-old me might have preferred a Barbie, but those books and library trips were my dad's way of opening our minds up to lifelong learning. And I think his efforts planted a seed. Today, my brother is a pharmacist. I am a family physician and my sister starting medical school in the fall. Second, his grandson who just turned two and calls him Bubba's Baba with so

036much affection. My dad never shows up to see Zay without a gift. Again, usually a book despite the fact that Zayn is two and cannot read. My dad's heart beams for that boy. And all he wants for him is what he wants for all children that have ever been under his care. Unlimited support, access to education, and people who will care for and nurture their growth. And finally, his career. The reason he gets up every morning. He goes in early, stays late, shows up when he doesn't have to. I mean, who works on a snow day? Um, but my dad loves what he does. He believes in his work. It's not just a job to him. He's always searching for ways to better serve his school and the students because at the end of the

037day, it's the kids who matter most. There has been one consistent reaction to the news of my father being called ineffective. Your dad, they must have the wrong person. I ask that you take into consideration all that you've heard tonight. And over the last several months, as my um dad has received an overwhelming amount of support from a community he has served in good faith, this support doesn't stem from someone who is ineffective. Rather, it is born out of years of meaningful and positive impact. Removing my dad from this community will only hurt the students because students need educators and leaders who believe in them, who will advocate for them, and who will show up for them every single day. And my father is one of those people. I hope my words resonate with you

038tonight, and I thank you for your time. Okay, our next speaker is Abdul Malik. Okay. >> Yeah. Abdul Malik, what's your last names? Cuz we have to put it in here. >> Got it. >> Good even. Good evening, members of the board and superintendent. My name is Abd Malik and I'm currently a sixth grader, a sixth grade student at Middle School. I am here today because I want to share my appreciation for my former principal at McDonald Elementary, Dr. Mugani. Dr. Money is a very kind leader who always supported me. He truly believes in me and constantly gave me advice on on how to do better and work harder. Now that I am in middle school, I still remember the encouragement uh that he gave me. What I appreciate the the most is how he

039treats my family. Whenever my parents went to his office, he showed them so much respect and every meeting. He was always respectful especially toward my mother and that means a lot to me. Thank you Dr. Money for believing in me during my time at McDonald Elementary and and for being a great leader for our community. Our next speaker is Zah Isa. >> Good evening, President Al Jameless. >> Can you move Can you move the microphone down? It's okay. There you go. Good. trustice and the interim superintendent rule. I'm not writing this as an advertisement but simply to share my personal experience. As a mother of fourth grade daughter, I once decided to move her to a private school. However, after just two weeks, I choose to return her to a to McDonald school because because

040the difference was clear to me, especially compared to the private school. What stood out most was the quality of education, the atmosphere of respect, and the kind fair treatment extended to teachers, staff, students, and parents. In all my life, I have never met a school principal as deducted deducted as Dr. Mon. He genuinely for his student students works to build their character and in instills confidence in them. I have personally seen him and the teachers ensure students safety, watching over them as they leave and making sure they cross the streets safely. This this is a man who has devoted 20 years to these schools. After such lifetime of service, he truly deserves recognition and appreciation. I'm a grateful parents who believes Dr. Mnes should remains as principal of Macdonald Elementary. He has lots to still

041offer to the current student and future generation. Finally, Thank you so much. >> Yeah, we need we need a motion now to extend the meeting. >> Yeah. 10:00. >> I'll make a motion to extend the meeting by >> 10 o'clock. We have to extend the meeting. >> I'll make a motion to extend the meeting by 15 minutes. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I think it needs a roll. It needs a roll call. >> Trusty Bazy. Yes. >> Trusty Drosio. Yes. >> Trusty Mos. Yes. >> Trusty Pelichoff. >> Yes. Yes. Trusty. >> Yes. >> Trusty Zaher. Yes. President Al Ji. >> Yes. >> Our ne our next blue is the last blue card. Our last blue card is from Zanab Elmiri. >> Did I say your last name right? >> Okay. >> Good evening.

042My name is Ana Vea Mary, a graduate of Dearborn public schools and a mother of two young sorry of two young boys. One who is currently enrolled in Dearborn public schools and one who will soon be next year. Uh when it comes to education, my perspective on Dearborn public schools, there is one person who truly shaped it. When I attended Ununis for middle school in 2008, my assistant principal was a person who made a lasting impression on my life. He was also the only assistant principal or principal who I remember seeing in any of my school year around students. He was there for long talks, telling jokes, and always made it clear how valuable an education is. I've had the opportunity of not only calling him him Dr. Mooney during my educational career, but also

043my uncle throughout my lifetime. For nearly three decades, he served Dearborn public schools. He has touched lives and he has been a staple in so many ch childhoods. I felt the way he has impacted me and others in this room are a testament to that as well. It is troubling to witness the actions by HR in the school district and their pattern of mistreating employees. My uncle has long been committed to his career and he symbolizes the Dearborn public schools I know and I love the one I envision my son's attending. It is disheartening to even imagine a school system where he is out outed as it sends a message to every educator and staff member in this district that is this is not the first time an employee has been targeted. But tonight it

044could be the last. When we say students first I think of educators like my uncle. Students first should be the storefront of your decision. Your decision tonight reflects how the school board represents the community and how much it values its employees. I urge the board to keep Dr. Mugoney where he belongs as principal of McDonald's Elementary School and exercise their efforts to investigate and hold HR and central office administrators accountable tonight. Please keep in mind the public is watching and counting on you. Thank you. >> There's no more blue cards, Mr. President. Okay. So, next item then >> the next item is action items. >> Uh >> oh, sorry. Next item is agenda items for action still under citizen participation. >> No, it was board followup. >> Oh, sorry. You skip straight to C. Board

045follow-up. >> Yeah. >> Okay. All right. The next item is C board followup. >> Go ahead. I'll wait. It's okay. I'll just wait to the phone. Okay. So, um I I appreciate everybody coming up here and speaking tonight. Um it's uh uh it's a big testament to our community that so many people feel passionate and they come out and um I'm very proud of that. Uh I'm going it's my understanding that um this is not an issue that needs to be resolved tonight. So, just so that rest of my colleagues are aware, I'll be moving that we um postpone this item to a later time to see if this issue can be worked out in some other way than us just voting up or down on this thing tonight. So, I just want to let

046everybody know that I'll be doing that once we get there. >> Just for the board, keep in mind there's a timeline. >> Yeah, I understand the timeline is May 1st. >> May 1st. And um >> any other input from the the ward? >> Go ahead, Trusty. Yeah, >> just I I agree. Um but just for logistic sake, May 1st is the deadline we have um to provide official notice on our decision, which means the decision has to come before May 1st in the form of resolution, things to consider. Um so I I know you probably thought about that, but for everybody else who who might be unaware, that's >> I'm happy to discuss that. If I make a motion and it gets a second and we can actually talk about it, then we can talk

047about it then. >> Okay, that's any other >> Okay. So any second? >> No, I'm not making a motion yet. No, I have to I have to wait till we get to the action items to do that. >> And and can you clarify that too? So the discussion part are we if you know if anyone has uh feedback or commentary now or there's an actual agenda item for this later on in the in the agenda which is why we hesitated to >> Yeah. >> raise our hands. >> Right. >> It's it's a part of the action item. It's item 13. >> Right. Right. Just for the public. >> We just got to go through a couple procedural things and then it'll all make sense. >> Just for transparency. Okay. >> So, so let's continue. >>

048So, the next item is special consideration of an action item. Are there any agenda items on this agenda which board members or the interim superintendent wish to discuss and vote on separately? If there are, we'll exclude these from the motion below. I'm going to call for a single motion to approve all the action items on this agenda with exception of any items that have just been excluded from this motion by board member request. So, I'll be looking, excuse me, for somebody to move that action items numbers in this case are How many are there again? One through uh >> 14. That I will be looking for somebody to make a motion that action items numbered 1 through 14 be approved as recommended in this agenda with the exception of well any anyone want to make

049the motion? >> You don't you just have to pull pull it. >> Let's >> I mean if I'm I can make the motion. So okay fine. So, I I'm going to move that action items numbered 1 through 13, >> no, 1 through 14, sorry, 1 through 14, >> 1 through 14, sorry. Move that action items numbered 1 through 14 be approved as recommended in this agenda with the exception of number 13. >> Uh, trust me, >> number six as well. >> Oh, sorry. Okay. I'll amend my motion that action items numbered 1 through 14 be approved as are recommended in this agenda with the exceptions of number six and number 13. I'll support that motion. >> I'll second it. >> I already did. >> Oh, sorry. >> Oh, did you move or >> I moved?

050Yeah. >> Oh, you'll second it. Roll call then. >> Trusty Bazzy. >> Yes. >> Trusty Drosio. >> Yes. >> Trustee Mos. >> Yes. >> Trusty Pedlichkov. >> Yes. >> Trusty Sob. >> Yes. >> Trusty Zaher. Yes. Cheryl Jah. >> Yes. >> Okay. Okay, at this time then we'll move to item number agenda item number six. Agenda item number six which is orders and purchases order report 25- 119. >> Read the recommended action. >> Yes, ma'am. The recommended action. Yes. No, you you're exactly right. The recommended action is it is recommended that an award be made to Peopledriven Incorporated in the amount of $744,0001 $744,124 data Images in the amount of $182,63 and ANA comp in the amount of $143,923 for a total amount of $1,70,52724 district ch for district title section 41 technology equipment purchases

051per board report 25119. >> Well, we need somebody to move it. >> Yeah, somebody needs to move this if they want to move it. I'll move it just for >> Okay. So, now we could discuss the item. Uh, Trusty Bazzy. >> Um, you know, I I'm looking at 2,280 Chromebooks um and the accompanying um carts uh for them. Um, my my move for this is to have those removed from this and we have a broader discussion about technology in the classroom. >> Say it again. My my my suggestion is that these Chromebooks and the carts for them be removed from this motion and we have a further discussion about technology in the classroom. To my understanding these are title Tom correct me if I'm wrong here. These are title one funds that would be available

052if at a later date we wanted to discuss that and approve it. Um, but in light of, you know, some of the conversation that we had earlier about AI and technology in the classroom and what's appropriate and not, you know, I think at this point maybe pausing these Chromebooks would be a good idea. >> I I think from my end that was an item that I flagged, but for totally different reasons, not because of um like I don't want it to be a reaction to what was said and for I'm just being candid. Uh my biggest thing for this is we have title one, title three and section 41. And for the audience, title one is for low-income students, title two is English learners, and section 41 is at risk students. So we're spending a

053million um 70,000. And my concern is how do we make sure that these 2,280 Chromebooks are going to the appropriate um people? Meaning, if you have lowincome students, how do we know which ones are going to them? if we have English learner. So, we're using grant funding as a whole, as a summary to get 2,280 um Chromebooks, 161 laptop, and so on using grants appropriate for certain type of uh situations. How do we determine who gets what? That's a question and I was looking for Bob and Dave. Uh Tom, >> yeah, Miss De Bailey could not be here tonight, so she asked me to answer some of those questions. Most of our schools are title one district or buildingwide, so they they don't have to be specifically spent, you know, on a certain focus because

054all the kids in the building qualify. Each building develops a school improvement plan as part of their annual process and then they work with the title one office to say how they're going to use their title funds. So the question is at this point they really can't take and say they're going to use that money for something else because that it's in it's in conjunction with their school improvement plan. Now can we delay it? Yes. But we can't necessarily take and say all right we want to take that money for those 2080 and use it for something else. It's too late in the process for that. >> That would require a budget amendment that goes with the state and this late in the year it probably won't get done in time. Um but most what

055your question is how do we make sure the students that need it are getting it based upon the grant funding. Uh majority of our schools are title one buildingwide so all the kids are eligible to use it. Some of our buildings that are lower down the list they would have to make sure there's a process in place that they go to those specific students. >> But given there's a low sorry title one is for lowincome students. Correct. You're saying it's building wide. >> Yeah. Because their percentage in the building is so high. is considered a buildingwide title one building. >> But we also have title three which is English learners. >> Correct. >> So how do we make sure what goes where? Because when we get funding it's specifically for um you know a certain

056type of um whether it's demographic or type of learners and then at risk students is section 41. So when we buy these Chromebooks are they going just to anyone or are they going to the appropriate people? They're going their pipe people. Each of the the title three have personnel that's signed to title three in those buildings and they're the ones that would oversee that use of that building. >> So those are going to go the title sorry the title three money that >> Mr. President, could I ask for order in the room if you could ask for order in the room? Ask people to keep it down out there. >> Yeah, please could uh >> Yeah. Yep. >> Could we uh keep it um down as we discuss this? Go ahead. Uh but >> so

057with the majority of the students within each building are title one students and some are higher percentage of bilingual students. Something came about about three to five years ago after COVID or during the years of COVID where MDE and ASA the federal government call it braiding of funds whether they were federal money title funds bilingual or EL funds and general ad funds. We can braid funding and budgets to serve all of our students. So this is something that came about with the new law which is called ESSA. Every Student Succeeds Act. >> So, so we're saying >> as long as it's reflecting the school improvement goals. >> So, we're saying we could use and I want to go on the record on that. We could use grant funding specifically for a certain type of students

058uh for other students >> of using Chromebooks. >> Not necessarily, but to meet the goals of the school improvement plan. And when you're allocating funding to support specific strategies within the plan, you can braid your funds to serve the purpose of meeting these goals. But at the end of the day, you're servicing the whole classroom. And in our case, my understanding is that all of our buildings are title one and majority of the buildings have a significant number of Yale students. So my guess is and I'm not sure that the bilingual portion is for specific buildings and no all the district. >> It's not and I think >> no I'm talking about the specific Chromebooks that were ordered. They're not for the entire district. >> So so one of the challenges I have is we

059have almost 9,000 English learner. Um and we want to make sure that we're able to address to help those students so they could exit the programs. And if we're using funds that's allocated to them schoolwide then and and we really have a struggle with EL students being able to exit the programs. >> Um so that's that's a challenge and I asked uh uh Lamese our interim superintendent that we need to focus on that. So when I see funds being used for at risk students and title one is a wide um schoolwide purchase that means we're not really allowing the money to go where it should or where it was intended for. >> And how we do that is we label the Chromebooks. Each specific Chromebooks have >> That was my question. Sorry to interrupt you.

060That was my question. Are we taking the money that's allocated for English learner and it's going to English learner? are we taking at risk money and it's going to at risk students because what's the if we are not doing that then um you know we're not abiding by the federal government law. >> Yeah. So my answer to that is that we are not and we are in compliance in terms of putting these resources in classrooms just like like this is equivalent to co-eing sometimes when a co- teacher walks into the classroom and supports all students that support is going to the specific students that the funding was allocated for. So the the braiding of fund was came as a way of flexibility for buildings because of the high needs. But again, these Chromebooks are labeled

061according to the grant fund. >> Sorry to interrupt. Point of order. We need to extend for another 15 minutes. >> All right. Um motion to >> I'll suspend my current motion, but make another motion to extend the meeting by 15 minutes. Second. >> Second. Roll call, please. >> Trusty Mos. >> Yes. >> Trusty Bazy. Yes. >> Trusty Drosio. Yes. >> Trusty Pelich. >> Trusty SBA. >> Yes. >> Trusty Zaher. Yes. Cheryl Jamie. >> Yes. >> All right. As long as you could uh because I don't want to delay this and we could take it offline. I just want to make sure funding especially grant funding federal funding are used for the appropriate group. Going back to Trusty Vzi and um in in delaying this, I just want I don't want it to be a reaction.

062I just don't want it to be we hurt the audience and we react to delay. If it's not if that's the case, I would encourage um us to not look at it that way, but I'll allow I I would ask you to kind of respond to that. >> So, um and I mentioned I talked to Tom before I I was going to bring this up. Just coincidence that what was brought up was brought up. This is something that I've been talking about since I've come on the board. You know, how we're utilizing technology in the classrooms, how much technology we're utilizing in the classrooms. And when then this came up, I was like, maybe it's time for a pause to have a bit of a conversation, especially if we can just delay it and have

063that conversation and see how we want to utilize it. >> So, so I believe in technology, sorry, technology utilization versus not preventing technology. Um, this is where the curriculum said you supplement the what's being taught with with technology. But to say we should not have Chromebooks, we should not have I I disagree with that because that's taken away from the direction of where we're heading in technology is the future. But utilization is a different thing. You could limit how those Chromebooks are used versus not having a Chromebooks. Uh Trusty PL. Well, and and to to that point, if these are replacement Chromebooks because we need them for aging out product and the stu we're required state testing is required to be done on on Chromebooks, I believe, isn't it? Now isn't um there's some component

064of the testing miss that's um so all the students have to have access to Chromebook in the classroom at in order to function uh for um a lot of the um curriculum needs and if these are our opportunity to replace those and it is an appropriate and compliant um use of the funds and we can't use those funds for anything else. I'm kind of confused as to what your concern is. >> Do do we do we know are all these replacements? >> I would say majority of them are, but Bob can allude to that itself. Um, go ahead, Bob. >> In the past, Chromebooks used to have a 5year lifespan and then we would have to replace them. uh then they're at end of service with those Chromebooks have been extended to 10 years in

065terms of lifespan, but what we also notice is there's wear and tear on a lot of these and everything like that, screen damage and other things. So, a lot of the Chromebooks are being cycled out so that the older ones are being um you know, salvaged and everything. We can use those parts to replace them with other ones that are damaged and everything like that, but we do cycle them out like that so that we can replace them. I would hate to be putting our students at a disadvantage in some of the buildings because you're concerned may may not be warranted at the end of the day if these are and we have the funding in order to replace them in this fashion rather than using general funds. >> Go ahead, trust. Uh I I've

066always said this uh the laptop is much better product obviously than a Chromebook. Chromebook is much cheaper and obviously you could have more students use uh whatever they need to use whether it's testing or classroom work. But I believe what Trusty Bazzy and I I feel I mean it's it's one of my goals right is that we want to reduce technology use in the classroom and more conversational more teacher interactions um more bored as far as even I mean yeah shocks and and boards are are kind of part of the past which is sad but perhaps we may need to go back to that. Um, but it's um I I I I I agree with Trusty Peliskov. I would hate that we wouldn't want to put our students at a disadvantage, but would it be

067possible if we could look at having more laptops, which I believe are better product, and could be um you know, used as a learning tool instead of Chromebook, which you can only do browsing and and and Google Docs pretty much. I I'd be glad to look into that and in future board briefs kind of report back based on the findings there if that's okay. >> That's fine. But we're right now in obviously in in in this motion as far as buying this much of of Chromebooks and we're also buying laptops. Correct. On this motion >> laptop 161 >> So what's the ratio? >> I know putting you on the spot. What's the ratio of a laptop to a Chromebook? It's about I'm just for purposes of information. The motion is asking for >> 2,280 Chromebooks

068and 161 laptops. So 16 to1. >> Well, the the laptops, just to clear, are likely staff or specialized use. They're not for students. >> They're not for students, >> are they? Laptops are primarily for staff. >> For staff. >> Yeah. And and Yeah. And there is other things, carts and and so on, but those are the >> Okay. All right. Um, thank you. >> All right. I I I would encourage our trustees and our administration to focus, you know, even to address the utilization of technology. >> Yeah. >> Um versus taking away technology because to me they're two different things. uh having you know kids having a Chromebook. It's really at the discretion of the teacher. >> Can we use it? We have a motion on the floor now. If everybody's questions are answered, maybe

069we should vote on it. >> Yeah, that's fine. But I I could speak my opinion, right? >> Yeah, I I understand. But we're going to run into that. >> Well, we're going to run in time. We're still have plenty of time. Uh so I would appreciate you give me the courtesy. So do we have a motion? The mo the motion on the table is to pass the agenda item as it is. >> Correct. >> Is that still your motion? >> Yes. Although unfortunately I'll be voting no. >> Yeah, me too. Oh. Oh, sorry. Okay. So, call the question then? >> Yeah. >> Is your your declaring debate is over? >> If you're declaring debate over, then we can >> But I just want everybody to have the courtesy to speak. Go ahead. >> Okay. Let

070me just make sure I get the right order, please. Okay, so this is the motion for agenda item number six. Let me repeat it so that everyone knows what we're voting on because it was 20 minutes ago, I think, when we said it. Recommended action that an award be made to Peopledriven Incorporated in the amount of $744,124, Data Image Systems in the amount of $182,63 and Ina Comp in the amount of $143,923 for a total amount of 1,701,70,52724 district title section 41 technology equipment purchases per board report 251-119. Trusty Bazzy, >> no. >> Trusty Drosio, >> yes. >> Trusty Mos, >> no. >> Trusty Pelichkov, >> yes. >> Trusty Sub, >> yes. >> Trusty Zaher, no. President Al Jamie, >> yes. >> That's 43. It passes. The next item, >> uh, if I can just

071comment a little bit. Um, I know this passes, so we're buying the Chromebooks, which is was unfortunate, but I would hope that we would look into um, technology use in the classroom, and find ways of reducing that. >> Thank you. >> I I agree. >> Oh, go ahead. >> Yeah, I I agree with Trusty Mosup. I'm not trying to I just want to be clear. I'm not trying to say we should not be using technology. It's utilization uh question and and how we address that. >> Yeah. And I agree on focus on utilization. >> Okay. The next item agenda item is number 13. Uh before I read this agenda item, let me explain just as a point of order what has what procedurally has to happen. Um first somebody would have to move it if

072they want as it is. Um then if it were moved because a a po a motion to postpone an item can only be made after it's been moved. So uh does that make sense? So either so if it doesn't get moved, it doesn't get moved and if it gets moved, someone can make a motion to postpone the item to a later date. Is everybody clear on that? Uh the person making that motion will have to accept that they can move it to a >> later. No, the the the motion to postpone to move to a later date is an amendment. >> Yeah. >> And it can be debated and voted on. >> Okay. And I'm going to I'm going to use my cheat sheet here. >> Yeah. No, I looked it up. Okay. Go ahead.

073>> Did you look Because you've got two ways to do this. To lay it aside, >> correct? >> Or to postpone to a certain time. So, if you're going to post whoever makes the motion wants to postpone it, you have to say when um that correct postpone to a specific time. Yes. >> Yeah. And what's lay it aside? Does that have to be to a specific time? >> No. Lay aside temporarily. >> Okay. >> But that I I and I'm not sure because we don't have legal here that that may be too late. We >> We have legal. >> Oh, >> we do have legal. >> Yeah. I was going to say you showed up on your own >> but what's the lay aside say for you trusty pellet >> it's it's temporary so does

074that have to be revisited in the same meeting or no >> the next the following >> so to lay it aside means that you would lay it aside to a time uncertain which means that it would be up to the will board as to when uh they would >> it would be brought back >> uh I I do believe I overheard and I forget who it was mentioned that there's a statutory deadline with respect to this particular decision. >> Uh and I know that there are a number of board meetings on the agenda this week, but I expect that they are going to be dealing with other items. And so, uh what I would suggest is that uh if there is, uh if there is a motion, I would suggest that we set a particular

075time to have that discussion and that vote. >> Sure. >> But obviously that is the will of the board. >> Um Adam, may I please >> can you introduce yourself? So, >> I'm sorry. So, uh my name is Adam Bllelock. Uh I'm an attorney at Miller Johnson. Uh, and I've had the opportunity to, uh, work with the Dearborn Public Schools now for about three years, and I'm happy to be here this evening. >> Okay, Adam. So, just to be clear, uh, the, um, motion to postpone, you have to articulate a certain time. >> Can you articulate uh, can you do it as a motion to postpone like on or before? Like, can you do it as a like a deadline? It's okay if the answer is no. I just >> I I I think the

076answer is no because the appropriate way to do that would be to lay aside. >> So the the lay the lay aside does the lay aside also have I assume it also has to be after someone actually makes a motion. >> Yes. >> I mean also the other oper the other alternative is just nobody moves this and whatever. >> Correct. >> Okay. All right. >> So trustes are what's what's the idea um behind delaying it? So we're >> well we're not we're not there. we have to procedurally go through uh >> okay >> we have to first see so I just that's why I just wanted to understand the procedure so the procedure Adam before we before we uh >> use up your whole hourly rate for this evening um the procedure is the procedure

077is if it's moved um then other poss it could just be voted on normally whatever other possibilities are somebody could postpone uh to to a certain specific date. >> Yes. >> Right. Or lay aside indefinitely. >> Correct. >> All right. Thank you. >> All right. >> Do we have to extend the meeting? Oh, yeah. I'd like to make a motion to extend the meeting 15 minutes. >> I'll support. >> Roll call. >> Uh, Trusty Mos. Yes. Trusty Bazzy. Yes. Trusty Dejo. Yes. Trusty Pelichoff. Yes. Trusty Soba. Yes. Trusty Zar. Yes. Cheryl Jah. >> Yes. >> Okay. Can I move to the recommended action? >> Yeah, go ahead. >> Okay. The recommended action here is to be resolved that the board of education has determined that the work of the above listed administrator. Do I do

078I say is it proper to say his name? Adam? >> It's I would just read it as >> it's in the it's in the thing. Okay. >> Is it? >> So resolve that the board of education has deter Yeah. because it it is in the it's in the packet in the address. Yeah, it's in the agenda. Correct. Resolve that the board of education has determined that the work of Dr. Adnan Mi is unsatisfactory and therefore the board of education will not offer him an administrator contract for the 2026 27 school year. Okay. >> I would like to um >> No, no. I'm I'm trying to move this into a close session to discuss. >> I'm not sure that's proper. And uh how >> so from >> so so uh it it is possible at this

079point for uh a board member to move uh to request a close session uh under the attorney client privilege. It would require five votes to do so and I would consider that an intervening motion with respect to the motion that's on the table. Yeah, I guess I I Okay, I guess somebody has to make that motion. But that motion is debatable. Not debatable. Not debatable. Right. Close session. >> You can debate close session. Although I I >> You just need 52. But >> you need a 5-2 vote, >> right? You can't really So I'm saying some if somebody makes the motion and somebody seconds it, is it debatable for before the roll call or you go straight to the roll call? >> Uh it's debatable. >> Okay. >> Council, >> it's uncommon to debate it.

080>> I'm trying to understand what what we'd be going into session. Well, I think going to a close session, you hear both sides and it gives us more information. You hear the claim. >> But that point of order, that's not what we're doing. We c we can't we can we can go into a close session to consider a legal opinion of which I'm not sure >> that we do have a legal opinion. >> No, I understand. I just want I just don't know what we're getting an opinion about. Number one. Number two, we can't go into close session to discuss an employee or something like that unless the employee asks for it. That's what open meetings act. >> So he has not. >> So I would clarify that is that uh that is true with

081respect to the request that's made by the employee but the board can always go to close session to discuss a written legal opinion pursuant to the open meetings act. >> Is that what you have? >> And there is a prepared legal opinion. >> Oh okay fine. If you have a prepared legal opinion >> and this is what was asked earlier is that's why he came in to present the legal opinion. >> No that's fine. But I just want to understand you're presenting us a legal opinion. We're not going into close session to discuss >> the employees >> the employee or the actions or whatever >> there. I have a prepared legal opinion. That's all that I'm willing to share in this setting >> in public. >> Okay. >> Privilege. >> Well, there's still no motion

082to go into close session. >> Uh I will make a motion to go to close session to discuss attorney client privilege material. That'd be pursuant to section 81H of the open meeting. >> Pursuant to the section that the attorney just mentioned. All right. >> So there's a motion on the table to go into close section pursuant to uh MCL 152681H of the open meetings act to consider material exempt from discussion or disclosure by state or federal statute. >> Trust. Oh, sorry. Yes. Second. Sorry. >> Okay. So we have a motion. >> Uh trusty Bazy. >> Yes. >> Trusty Drosio. >> Yes. >> Trusty Mos. >> Yes. >> Trusty Peliskoff. >> Yes. >> Trusty Silva. Yes. >> Zaher. Yes. President Jimmy. >> Yes. >> Wait. >> Being back to session. >> Yeah. >> President Alji, >>

083I'd like to make a motion to extend the meeting for another 15 minutes. >> Second. Roll call. >> Trusty uh Mosf. >> Yes. Trusty Bazzy. >> Yes. >> Trusty Drojo. >> Yes. >> Trusty Pelichkov. Yes. >> Trusty Suba. >> Yes. >> Trusty Zaher. Yes. President Jah. >> Yes. >> So just just for our audience, we owed it to our legal council to be able to hear them and hear their recommendation. Go ahead. Trust Zar. I just want to make a point just uh so that the public knows when we go into a close session, we are we can invite anybody into the close session that we want to. Um but we can only go into the close session to discuss things that we said we were going into close session for. So I'd like to

084affirm to everybody that we only discussed legal opinion. We did not discuss any personnel matters in the close session. Just so everybody is very clear on that, that that's what happened in the close session. All right, we are still on agenda item number 13, which is um resolved that the board of education has determined that the work of Dr. Adnan MNI is unsatisfactory and therefore the board of education will not offer them will not offer him an administrator contract for the 2026 2027 school year. I need somebody or I don't need somebody. This is the proposed motion that would be on the table if anybody wants to move it. >> So moved. >> Seconded. >> Go ahead. >> So I'm going I'm going to I'm going to vote no on this motion if it actually

085goes if it actually goes to a vote. So what I'd like to do now is to uh make a motion to lay this aside indefinitely. We do have a statutory deadline of course that we have to deal with. uh to make a full decision on this in the next two to three before May 1st. Um and we need to do other things before May 1st, not just make the decision. But uh in lie of coming up with an exact date now because our our calendar is full of meetings so we can find a time to do it. Um but I'm making a motion to lay aside this motion indefinitely. >> What what's indefinitely mean? >> Temporarily. Indefinitely. >> Temporarily. Okay. I make a motion to lay aside th this motion temporarily and under the rules

086I need a second and it is debatable and then it just can be in a majority vote. >> Okay, >> I'll support for discussion. Okay. So, I'm I'm making this motion to lay aside the superseding motion um because I'm hoping uh that this issue can be resolved without us voting on a motion like this. Um uh for a number of reasons I wish that we never got to this point and uh I'm confident that hopefully um we can bring together the uh differing parties to come up with some sort of resolution especially since statutoily we still have time to try to come up with that. If we were really up against a deadline today that would be one thing we're not. Uh I'm of the opinion that we should take all the time we can

087to come up with a resolution here that doesn't include this. That's my position. >> President, >> go ahead. Um it is my understanding that the employee has been offered resol or other u alternatives to this uh action but has refused them. Is that true superintendent? >> I believe that is correct. >> Yeah, >> trustes are >> that may that may be true. Um, and I I take everyone's word that it's true and hopefully we can hopefully even hopefully that can be resolved with more time. I would urge all parties to negotiate and make this hopefully go away. We should have never gotten to this point in my opinion. And I'm not putting that on anybody particularly. Sorry, I'm putting it on everybody. I'm not putting on anybody in particular, but um I'm hoping that that

088can be resolved. Maybe there can be a um some sort of settlement or offer that uh is acceptable to uh to Dr. Mi. Maybe if it wasn't acceptable today, it'll be acceptable tomorrow. I don't know. But we have more time and there's no reason that we have to vote on this tonight. And I think that we can do our best to try to get people to that's our job hopefully. Um not our job. I mean our purpose hopefully is to try to get people together to solve that's what I view as my purpose here. So I I understand Trusty Mos. Yes. I understand offers have been made and rejected. Maybe the same offer will be accepted in a few days from now. I don't know. But um we have time and there's uh I don't

089want to vote on this tonight. So that's my motion to uh set aside indefinite or sorry set aside temporary >> any any comments I think go ahead trusting >> I I just just like just putting things in indefinitely or temporarily until something else happens. I would hope that we would schedule another then meeting if we want to go about this action if we want to allow for more time. But I believe councel can can help us as far as there is has to be also a notice period after we make our decision that the employee has to receive that result of the decision. >> Okay. Okay. How about I'll amend my motion to uh set aside um to a set aside to a meeting that must happen so that I'm saying that we must vote

090on it if no settlement is brought. Okay. So set aside to a meeting that um must happen on or before. >> Okay. So you're going to postpone this then? >> Sorry. Okay. I definitely Well, can I I'm in my only >> to lay it on the table means we can bring it back anytime. >> Can I postpone it with a deadline? That's why I was asking. Okay. >> Well, you can post >> Can it be specific? I mean, specifically. >> No, it has to it has to be or before. >> Pardon? >> Can it be honor before? Can I say honor before? Is that okay with you? >> Before May 1st >> something or I was going to say a couple before that, but >> yeah, he would have to do before. >> I mean,

091we can ask. >> Well, then what's the date? I mean, because you'd have to know that everybody could come. >> Well, because we have we have >> I think the week of the 27th is the only thing that >> we have uh we have I know I know some of our meetings coming up are for other purposes, but we have a number of meetings coming up. We have three meetings coming up this week, which are I know they're interviews, but they're still meetings. We have a meeting on Saturday the 18th. We have a meeting at HFC on Monday the 20th. >> We would not do this at HFC meeting. >> Sure. I mean, I'm just Yeah, it it might not be normal, but I'm just saying. And then, of course, you know, we have all

092that other time. So, my I I would if it's a proper motion, I would make a motion to um postpone uh until on or before April 29th. How's that? >> That possible to >> Is that a proper motion, Mr. Bllelock? >> I think he's trying to Uh, in my view with respect to postponement, you've got an obligation to set a time certain. >> Okay. But you could do it before that time, right? >> The the the board could call a meeting before that time. >> Okay, fine. Then I'll make I'll make a motion to postpone um this action item um until April 29th. Is that a proper >> April 29th is um >> we have a teacher um >> that's from 4 to 6 pm. >> I just want to I just want to make

093sure we're all aware of that. >> That's fine. >> It's over at 6 p.m. So can I say until or do I have to say on like a meeting has to be set on or can I just say until? >> I think you got to set the time. So what what I would suggest >> do it before if we want >> what I would I mean the board can always make the decision that it wants to take something up at a later date but what I would suggest in terms of your proposed motion is that you set it for >> 6 p.m. or 615 on that particular time 7 p.m. >> Of course we could change it at any time. Right. Okay. I'll make a motion to I'm going to make a motion to postpone

094this action, which is agenda item number 13, until April 29th, 2026 at 7 p.m. Is that a proper motion? >> That'll do. >> Yes, >> I'll support it. >> Um that So, >> so then >> Okay. So, I basically, sorry, I basically just changed my other motion, which is fine. Pat, Trusty Dejo supported it. Under the rules, there can either be more discussion or we can vote on. >> Is there any more discussions? >> All right. So, the roll call. >> Okay. So, this would be a majority vote. >> Trusty Bazzy, >> yes. >> Trusty Drosio, >> yes. >> Trusty Mos, >> yes. >> Trusty Pelichkov, >> yes. >> Trusty So, >> yes. >> Trusty Zaher, yes. Cheryl Jim, >> yes. >> Okay. 70, which means uh agenda item number 13 will not be voted

095on tonight and voted on April 29th at 7 p.m. >> All right. >> What's our next item? >> I have to read the >> summary of agenda. >> Oh, sorry. We need to extend the meeting. I'd like to make a motion to extend the meeting 15 minutes. >> I'll support. >> Trusty Bazzy. >> Yes. >> Trusty Drojo. >> Yes. >> Mosf. Yes. >> Pov. >> Yes. Trusty Zaher. >> Uh, yes. President Alji. >> Yes. >> All right. The action items, the summary of the agenda action items are as follows. Number one, if you're leaving, can you please keep your voices down? If you're leaving, we still have to finish our meeting. >> The summary of the agenda action items are as follows. Number one, approval of warrants per board report 2515. Number two, approval of

096an award to Amplify per board report 25116. Number three, approval of an award to Common Lit Incorporated per border report 25117. >> Quiet HFC. >> Mr. President, could I ask for order in the room? >> All right. Please, uh, as you're leaving the room, uh, keep in mind that we're still having the meeting. >> I have to leave. >> Ask them to please leave >> there. Where did we do something? >> To continue the agenda action items that we approved. Number four, approval of an award to Burlington English Incorporated. >> Please have the discussions outside. >> Number four, approval of an award to Burlington English Incorporated per board report 25118. Number five, approval of change orders. Number six, we passed approval of an award to Peopledriven Incorporated Data Image Systems and Inacmp per board report

09725119. Number seven, approval of an award to first student per board report 25120. Numbers 8 through 11, approval of non-instructional and instructional personnel items for P through 12. Number 12, approval of financial statement. And number 14, approval of donations. The next item on the agenda is discussions and it's first look at 2026 2027 budget by Mr. Thomas Wall. >> Good evening board members. President Aljami, Superintendent Roar, and members of the board. Uh, we'll go through this quickly. Um, there's not anything drastic at this point as we kind of look forward. Our budget calendar, as you can see, we're on the AP April 13th board meeting about the middle of the page, right by the second. This is our first look for next year's budget. Um, as you can see in this picture, which is the

098cycle, um, we're still waiting for the House and Senate to give us their state aid bills for next year. So, all right, right now we have is the governor's bill and that's kind of what we're basing this, you know, budget, you know, projection on. This also just kind of gives you the process from start to finish. Um, we had our revenue consensus meeting in January. It happens twice a year, once in May, once in January. and it kind of goes through the process. So most of the time when the board when the state actually adopts a budget, it'll be July or later, there's usually a period of time where MDE interprets the law as how they see it. And we'll basically get our our basically first final look at what the budget actually means sometime

099in the fall. So just you know that no matter what we do at this point, it's going to be an estimate based upon what we have information available. So when we look at the economic forecast, this was the challenges that the state were addressing. Um declining revenues on a national economic softening of our economy, rising health care costs, uh impact from the federal side on the HR bills, HR1 bills, uh persistent inflation, ongoing pressures obviously with the war going on and other investment needs like the infrastructure that are going on. So that's what the state is facing at their level. Um, as we look at our budget and the school aid fund, there's three main factors. The sales tax, which we get 2% dedicated school aid fund, the income tax, we get a portion of

100the income tax for our school aid fund, and the state education tax, which is six mills on all property in Michigan. That makes up, as you can see, probably about 70% of our funding cycle. Those are usually pretty stable. So when we look at where the school aid fund is compared to the general fund, the school aid fund is the dotted blue line. We're doing very well where the state is struggling. They've had a very flat, you know, economy since roughly the pandemic. So they're struggling at the state level. So what does that mean for us is obviously legislators control our process. So the state says we're going to look at reductions, you know, efficiencies and redirect revenue. and the redirect revenue is what's going to impact us considerably because the school aid fund is

101doing very well. Um, as you can see as one of their issues for reassignment is they're going to take more of the higher education portion out of our school aid fund. So that has an impact to us. You can see as that they what they have proposed the equates to roughly about $1,400 per student. So, it's considerable amount of money. If we look at it over time, you can see that the amount that they've taken out of the school aid fund for post-secary education has consistently rise and this next year is going to be significantly higher. Does that mean that we don't have revenues in our budget to do increases in the foundational amounts? we do, but just know that long-term is what we're concerned about is are we able to maintain what we have

102without further impact. So looking also another factor is the state is projecting to lose students for the next three years roughly about 10,000 students per year. So the student enrollment in the state of Michigan is declining. So obviously that's going to impact schools differently depending on their neighborhoods, but that's something the state is also looking at that you know that the state in total is losing students. I'm going through this fast. As you can see from what they they estimated back in May in the green line and you know the preliminary now the numbers aren't too bad. Just know that the personal income growth is going up, payroll is going up, Detroit CPI has dropped a little bit, which is a inverse relationship. So that's good for us. And the employment rate dropped. So that

103means we're having more staff. So overall, the Michigan economy isn't really impacting us as a school district, and that's why our revenues are rising. Just looking at the school funding history, you can see that the federal money had a big impact during the pandemic times, but now we're back to or has a very small part. And most of our money comes from the state of Michigan economy. Baseline revenues, as you can see, they're projecting increases going forward. So that's good to see that we are expecting slight increases going forward. So we're not looking at any kind of recession where we have to worry about tightening our belts. So going forward, that's good. Looking at the ongoing general fund and special purpose, the old idea is this. When you look at that blue dotted line, when

104you impact or have the impact of inflation on it, even though we're getting more money, the actual value of that money is not rising. It's actually declining a little bit. Just know that even though we're getting more money, inflation is impacting us where we have to worry about that on the expenditure side. Budget stabilization fund. Uh this is something that is out there is roughly about $2 billion in the stabilization funded state of Michigan. So if a recession does hit that would trigger that so we wouldn't have to worry about large scale cuts like we did in 20089. If you're in education we lost a lot of money back then. How would how the state spends money? You can see almost half of their money comes back to us through the foundational loans. And then

105you have other portions of federal grants that come through. Mips's funding, special education, just showing how the state spends their money in public education. All right, moving on to our assumptions for next school year's budget. The school aid fund, all we have right now is a governor plan is a $250 per pupil increase. However, through a lot of the funding models that they've uh had people research that districts that have a higher free and reduce count have an EL account, they're going to get a more of a portion of FTE more than they have in the past. And there's a bandwidth uh what a band land of one to six, six being the most highly at risk students. We're in band five. So, we get a larger portion of that partial FTE. So, that's helping

106out our foundation lounge for next year. uh grants. That's the only thing we're really unsure of. They really don't get too far into the grants of whether what's going to stay, what's going to go. So that's always a worry for us. So that's something we have to watch very carefully going forward. And preliminary estimates is the taxable values in Dearborn are roughly going up 4.6%. Which is good for our taxing capability. Staffing costs, again, these are the big three. State aid, staffing costs, and student counts. Our staffing cops obviously they're in negotiations right now. Right now we're budgeting 1% so that's an easy number to scale if we have to go up or down. Uh step increases are going to be paid. Healthc care costs are increasing roughly by 3%. Uh no more year of

107retirements and so we expect no really significant changes in staffing levels for next year with the exception of grants that we have staff on grants. if that grant goes away. Obviously, we're going to have to manage that aspect on his student count. Uh Mr. Mashure and his excellent job is looking at an increase in students next year roughly about 300. Uh he's still going through his final, you know, work through the process. We don't get that till about midappril. So, we're just missing that deadline. Right now, we are, you know, using his preliminary number. So, this is just kind of explaining how the student counts work. Obviously, we have a fall count which is 90%. Our winter count is 10%. So, we're actually last winter we just did in February is our 10% for next

108year and our fall count in 26 will be our other 90%. So, that's how that number gets calculated. On the foundation level, just know that there are laws that come into play that even though we will get 250 per student, the state law only allows us to get up to the inflation rate of 1.7%. rest comes through a categorical. Why does that matter? Well, that categorical can disappear in a swipe of a pen. So, that's always we have to be careful of. Uh when we look at student counts, um you can see here that over time, this goes all the way back to 2010. These are students that live in Dearbornne that go somewhere else. So, you can see the bottom chart, our blue line is students that are staying in our school district. The

109red line are students that go elsewhere that these are only students that live in Dearbornne. We have been consistently around 90% of the students in Dearborn come to Dearborn public schools. The rest might go to a charter school. They might >> around how much percent? >> 90%. >> 90. >> So that's a good number. And I'll show you this next chart. This is just a graph of all the districts in Wayne County where the big red dot on the far right hand side. See a lot of school districts do, but you see some schools that majority of their kids only 40% go to their school district. So you can see Dearborn does a good job. We're on the upper end of that that kids feel the value or parents feel the value of our students

110and they send them to our school. This is something Abe looks at all the time and we have strategies to do that back in the pandemic. That's why we opened up our cyber school because we saw a trend happening. That's why we open up our cyber school to keep kids in our school. >> Sorry Tom, that says of the 81 districts in the greater Detroit area. So we rank three in terms of greater Detroit and 22 in terms of the state. Is that Is that what that means? >> No, this is only for Wayne County, >> greater Detroit area. >> The average is the state average. Yes. So that red line is the state average, but the blue dots are our districts that are in >> the text at the top says of the 81

111districts within the greater one Detroit area, we place three in terms of attending enrollment. >> Right. So we're third. Yes. So we're third for school districts in the greater Detroit area that attend their home district. >> Yeah. What's the second sentence mean? That 89.7% of students attending D ranks 2 in terms of percent of resident students. So, how's that different? Why does it say 22? >> I took this off a graph off of our Munitrix. I can get into I'll just find that off. >> But I just wanted just looking at the overall picture. You're >> doing a great job. I just didn't know what that means. Rank. >> Yeah, I'll I'll I'll have to go back and look at the data just to make sure I explain it correctly. >> Well, could it be

112that there's a statewide there's a lot of smaller districts where they probably have 100% of the students going there because they don't have any other option. That's all. I'll I'll verify that. >> Yeah, maybe that. >> Yeah. >> Looking at our staffing costs. So, right now, we're estimating our salary base with hourly and staff people to be $181 million. So, that's a big number. So, just be aware that's our salary base. Obviously, there's FIC and retirement we pay on top of that along with benefits. But roughly about 70% of that 181 million is in the general fund. The other ones are in the food service budget. our center programs, our funded projects. Just so you kind of get an idea of how large our salary is for Dearborn Public Schools. This is just the trend.

113Uh the foundation allowance is in blue, the salary for the DFT is in red, and we pretty much follow that for most union groups. Uh the retirement is in yellow. You can see in the last several years with the funding cuts and where the state a fund has more money than others, they've been playing with that rate a lot. you would expect more of a trend, but they give us some money, then they take it away. They give us some money, they take it away. So, that number gets pretty crazy. And the green line is our student count. As you can see, we were kind of at the lower level and we're starting to go back up again, which is a good sign. And I think that ties in with our birth rates are also

114increasing in Dearborn. This is just a quick picture of our model. This is the most likely scenario that looking at all the parameters I just explained, we have a surplus of roughly about a half a million dollars. So again, we're not looking at any any kind of staffing cuts with the potential impact of grants. Um we always want to make sure we're right sized. We don't want to be late to the party of trying to rightsize ours. But obviously another big issue we have is the capital infrastructure side that depending on how we go forward that we'll have to continue to put more and more money in that area if we don't get a a a solve to that process. >> Mr. President, we need to I need to make a motion to extend the

115meeting 15 minutes. >> I'll I'll move to extend the meeting by 15 minutes. >> Second. >> Trusty Mos. >> Yes. >> Trusty Bazy. Yes. >> Trusty Droio. >> Yes. >> Trusty Pelichkov. >> Yes. >> So, yes. Zaher. Yes. Cheryl Jamie. >> Yes. >> How much did we contribute uh this year to that fund of the capital improvement from the general fund? >> Roughly about 5 million. >> $5 million. Okay. >> What's the trend been of that over over the years? >> Uh we have been high as 14 million during the pandemic years because we were able to utilize some of the you know federal funds in that way. But it could be anywhere from three to seven depending on what projects we have planned. This screen just shows you our millage rate of our, you

116know, what we actually do out from our debt retirement, our homestead, which is our homestead operating millage, and our supplemental, which is the 18. Uh, just kind of show you the trend. So, if people ask us, have we been trying to reduce taxes? The answer is yes. So, we're trying to make sure that we those taxes go lower. >> Did we get our holdless number for next year or not yet? Um, I've estimated that it's slightly going to decrease for next year only because of our 4.6% increase in taxable value. >> Yeah. >> And this is just showing where our tax rates are comparable to Wayne County. Um, I put that little arrow in there so it would be easier uh show that our mills are lower. the military is on the left hand side

117and the uh tax base is on the bottom side. You can see we're in the lower cond. So our military is lower but our tax base is higher. So it just kind of gives you a a preference based on a school district where their tax rates are compar and their taxable value where they kind of crisscross. Just kind of a good data point that shows that we're not overt taxing. Dear board is overt taxing compared to other districts. And that's it. So, this kind of shows you that our first look is done. We're obviously going to keep working on this. Some things are ongoing. Uh we won't get our final property tax numbers until the end of May, early June. And then obviously, we have to have our budget hearing in the May meeting to

118meet our timeline. So, we'll be going through this with a little more detail of what we're probably going to propose to start with for next year. And the June meeting is basically just authorizing the resolution as we're required to do before July 1st. Any questions? >> Thank you so much. Just one quick question. You don't have to give me the answer now, is one of them I'm looking at to see how much we're spending per student. I know we get the foundation allowance and and there's other ones. Um so I've always wanted to know how much we're spending per student and is it different for each school? >> Yes. >> And there's actually a nice report of bulletin 1014 the state does. >> Uh they're always about a year behind. So just now they just

119recently released 24 25 and I'll share that report. I can share that >> because it ranks it all the way through all 800 districts in Michigan where you rank at >> and it would be by school as well. >> Uh not by school but by district. >> No, I mean for um our district the the allowance spend sorry the student spend could be different from one school to another. Correct. >> Correct. Correct. >> Right. Right. The report shows every school and how much >> That's what I was. >> Yeah. >> All right. Yep. We can do that for last year because obviously this year isn't finished, but we go look at it last year. >> Yep. Because we're required to have a building code with every expenditure that we have. >> Okay. >> Any questions

120from anyone else? Trusty >> the likely scenario did you base that did you take the consideration that we may have some cuts in federal funds? >> Uh not yet because we don't know yet. the allocations haven't come out. They obviously with their delay in their process, it happened in January. So, we're kind of waiting for the state to kind of give us more guidelines, right? >> They're just now starting to release the alloc estimate allocations and then we can look at that and see >> and I'll include more of that in the May discussion when we have our public hearing. >> Okay. >> All right. >> No question. Thank you so much. Next. >> Oh, we still have an audience. >> I love that guy in the back. >> All right. Next item is facilities

121master plan by Superintendent Sor. >> You guys ready? >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> You have it in you. >> All right, let's do it. >> Oh, you're for real going to do it? Oh, >> it's up to you. >> Has it been Have you agreed to move it? This poor man has been sitting here. >> But we have the option to do it now if you guys want to move to HFC. >> It sizable. >> We said >> we we can move. We can we can >> Would you want to move it to HFC's meeting on Monday? >> 20 minutes is good. >> What time? 20 minutes. Okay. >> 20 minutes. >> 25. Yeah, >> we could do we can we can make it in 20 minutes. I mean, you know, I mean, obviously, if

122the board had further questions and questions, we could meet with you in smaller groups to go over it in more detail. >> Um, we could also, um, our team here could go over the presentation in a video format later so that it would be available for public viewing um, at at another time as well. But we could at least lay the groundwork here tonight in a shorter format so that we could at least begin this discussion >> like 10 minutes. >> I I would I will defer to the boards. >> Yeah, I would prefer that route only, you know, for the sake of we can condense it. We I think we're familiar with a lot of the info. This was more so for the public >> to get their first look and I don't want

123their first look to be a 10-minute sped up thing where we don't really ask questions. >> So, if we could do some compromise, that would be awesome. and and and the option of >> as long as you want. >> That was that was the recommendation. >> The uh >> one record a year is enough. >> And and presenting at another meeting is, you know, that's an option, too. You know, whatever. It's your your call. Your call. We're here to serve. >> Sure. >> I I think it's important the public see this. >> I concur. >> I agree. But again, to see it in what in what capac I don't want them to see. concur that the public needs to see this presentation and we have time. >> Okay, >> we can Yeah, >> go for

124it. >> Let's go. >> All right, let's go for it. >> Go for it. >> You know, she seems excited. Let's do it swiftly. You know, like feel we're all smart. You can go as fast as you want. >> Most of the public is not watching. >> But it still be it still be available. They're not watching >> and they're not going to understand if we do an >> Too late for them. >> Let's make sure we hit the >> the bed. >> Hit the important notes. >> Hit the important note. >> There you go. So, hit them all. >> Fine. >> We c we can skip page one. >> Okay. Then for the record, because I didn't say all the names, this is a facilities master plan discussion with superintendent Sor, Mr. David Mustinin,

125Mr. Thomas Wall, and Mr. Paul Wills. Thank you. Good evening, board. >> Good evening. >> Thank you for having us today. We are excited to share with you this plan. We'll do quick introductions. I'll let you know the flow and then we're going to get right into it. How does that sound? >> I'm Lisur and Trump superintendent. David Mustin and director of communications >> and Paul Wills with Plann Point >> and Tom W. I'll quickly go over the efforts to date and these are the most recent efforts. Um as you know the team plantaran and the board met uh on March 2nd, 2026 to review the process of pre-bond planning. Uh after that we met again on March 9 in small groups and after that PMR reviewed all the data that we've uh collected over

126the years from fielding international Quinn Evans by Fisk and other reports for consideration and you can see the bullets from there that got us to today. I will begin the presentation and we will all have turns today and we are all available for questions whenever you need. So if you turn to the next slide, >> do you want to expand that? >> Yeah, it's actually the second screen. So >> is that good? Do do they have to see >> you in the presenter? >> Well, that works >> good. >> Okay, thank you >> board. But I will be going over with you the why behind the reason we need a bond, why this plan is necessary, options on what it can conclude, and then the mill information. We will conclude with key takeaways and next

127steps. I think we all agree that most of our buildings are in dire need of improvement. This proposal is set upon innovative learning environments for our students and our teachers. It's set to maximize safety and space and to maximize equitable options for our students. This facility proposal was created with innovation and equity in mind. What our teachers and students need and what they deserve. Whatever path you choose tonight or in the next month or two, we are confident that it will be transformational for our students. This will alter and open opportunities for our students in the classroom, on the stage, on the field, and ultimately wherever their future takes them. So, let's get into it. Where are learning environments trending? As you can see here, the bottom five bullets, recent trends in education that we

128see and what we we read about and what um we are living in some capacity are active learning environments, personalization and learning, student focused classrooms and instruction, a collaborative approach to instruction, and teachers as facilitators. Fundamentally, all of our brain functions are highly leveraged when we provide these following three considerations. Natural light and access to nature, indoor and outdoor learning options, and movement in flexible environments. How do our students learn? I think our teachers would concur and our parents and our students would concur that they learn in different ways. Large group collaboration and team teaching. small groupoup project-based flexible spaces and multifunctional environments for learning, creating and presenting. So what does this look like? It ends up looking like collaborative zones in our schools, small aloves and quiet spaces, maker and project labs, interdisciplinary learning

129areas, and CTE and real world learning spaces. We have all types of learners in our buildings. We want to make sure our designs are for every learner. Sensory conscious design, flexible seating and adaptable classrooms, space for support staff within learning environments, and small group support without removing students out of the classroom. What does this ultimately ultimately lead to? Increased student engagement, stronger academic outcomes, expanded college and career pathways, equitable access for all learners, and strong community partnerships. So just continuing on the why, as you can see this screen, we're always concerned about equitable availability for all students. You can see here where the breakdown where we have roughly about 4,000 school 4,000 students in the 20 to 35 years 8,100 and 66 to 82 year old buildings and 7200 and 97 to 105. Are they

130having the same opportunities? Yes. But do they have the best capability of a learning environment compared to other schools? That that's where we want to make sure that we have an even playscape for everybody in that kind of a scenario. Looking at early childhood, this is a growing area in any school district. Um, obviously we're hardpressed because most of our schools are being utilized fully. We're continuing to scramble to where we can put a new GSRP classroom. One might have an increased enrollment. So that GSRP is moving to another. is very disruptive for parents that if we had a a one site or individual sites at all our schools it would help value the parents you know how they just go to their home school or do they have to get bus so that's something

131we want to consider in this CTE it's obviously this is a cycle you go up and down whether it's college or now CTE we're at a point now where CTE is in higher demand even our surveys that we did last year showed that CTE was one of the top five that needed to be addressed. A lot of our CTE programs still have original equipment back from the 70s. And obviously what you see when you go into an auto shop is totally different than what we have and we're trying to teach our kids with. Don't get me wrong, the staff does a great job. The teachers, the sports staff do a great job, but is it the most opportune that are we missing that opportunity for them to work on newer type equipment? Uh the STEM

132program, same thing. you know, we've have converted our own classrooms, but as you can see in the bottom right, this is a neighbor to our south who has a a room developly purposely for steam. So, that's where we want to make sure that it's equitable what we can offer special education. Um, that's a an area that Dearbornne is growing on. We have more autistic programs that we've had in the past. So we want to make sure that the facilities are built for that purpose versus just converting classrooms. Obviously we have our current house school that was done back when we were in very tight where we closed a building and renovated how to fit their needs. But is the most ideal landscape for special ed? No. Because obviously we have a lot of staff that's

133assigned to them. They have to travel a lot to deal with these programs as they all over the place. As you can all see the last one, our three-year-old program is currently in wind out. We love to bring that program back home in our district. Current trends showing or we talked about the ASD but you can see a program classroom on our left and this is kind of a special ed pilab. You see a lot more room, a lot more space, a lot more staff inside the classroom so they can rotate much easier to deal with students on a rotational basis. Safety and security. Our schools are safe. We've had to implement many programs to put that into place. But you can see in the picture on the right, there's a facility you can build

134to have less staff have to be assigned to it. We have security guards at all our doors, especially at the secondary level at the high school level. We wouldn't necessarily need that if we had a secured vestable. We could use that staff elsewhere. >> Mr. Chair, I need to make a motion to extend the meeting. >> I'll make a motion to extend the meeting by another 15 minutes. >> Second. >> Mos. Yes. >> Bazzy. Yes. Mr. Dejo. Yes. Yes. Yes. Trail jack. >> Yes. >> All right. Continuing on the technology side. Obviously, we'd updated a lot of our facilities back in 2013 with that bond, but as you're well aware of, the life cycle of technology is is about, you know, 10 years on a lot of this equipment. So, we're at the point where

135we need to look at that again. And obviously, if we don't have another funding source, it has to come out of the general fund. Nature playgrounds. Uh we did a lot of work when we had the enhancement village of putting new playgrounds just one each building but multiple schools have more than just one playground and you know the naturecapes if you've seen what we've done at Salena Elementary and Salina Intermediate those nature playcapes they had a lot more value a lot more activity- based activities for the students auditoriums. This is personal to me. I had a son that went through the auditorial program and boy did they have to really work hard to get the lights, you know, the rigging, the sound systems. They had to work with what they had. But you can imagine

136some of these newer stadiums, you know, you have a lot more capabilities, the black boxes that we want to make sure we can still offer those type of programs to our students also that are interested in it. Art and music. You saw a nice presentation today. Obviously, you know, some of our schools have art on a cart, which isn't the most ideal. The idea is to have a dedicated space to art or music that that can actually grow the program in their schools. Athletics, that is something that we're also struggling on, you know, because obviously there's a lot of improvements that need to be made. We've been adding new programs. So, now we're going to be have demand for space. How do we handle that? you know, middle boys volleyball. I just saw an article

137in the Heritage paper this week how they just had their first actual exhibition game this year and it's like why, you know, there's such a demand for gym space and all that all the time. It's just hard to get those things in there. So, that's something else that we need to look at. Food services, you had a presentation today. We have still a lot of those old serving lines, the old type ovens. We need to get to more of these combon bins, you know, to make the food taste better and crispier. If you have your own air fryer at home, you know, warming up French fries in a microwave versus an air fryer, totally different. Not that we could serve French fries like we used to, but you get the concept. Buses and transportation, um,

138you know, that's something that in the 2013 bond, we did 20 buses and we've been obviously doing like one or two or maybe three or four a year, depending on our budget. eventually you're going to fall behind the times. So that's something we have to look at going forward. And who knows where the future is? We have the new electric buses. Um you know, we've had some good things and bad things about that, but where do we want to go in the future? You got to have funding. You know, regular bus these days, when I first started back in the 90s, it was 30ome thousand of us. Now it's 200. Special ed 250,000. Just show you where the prices are going. And the financial. So, if you'll see here, this is a graph that, you

139know, we've I've showed this one before. It's just a little different and more simplified. We're in the orange. This is on what other districts have spent per capita based on their number of students for bond issues, for infrastructures. You can see some are way much higher on our per capita. We're way behind everybody else in the in the larger districts when they look at how they're spending their money and where they're getting it from. Bond issues to help improve their facilities. And with that, I will turn it over to I believe David. All right. So when we look at the why of everything, the why is not only um the it's it's the physical things that we need, the buses, the technology, but also it's tied to the academics and the spaces and creating those

140learning environments that are best suited for students. Um so that's the why part of it. So showing that it's not just um um related just to one thing, just it's just not physical things, but it's actually creating the space as well. So now we want to look at well we we know why we want to do it but what what the heck are we going to do here. So starting off with the what you want to look at a uh we want to start with a facilities master plan and and this is something that we've had all along and we've actually enhanced that over the years. Our uh work with Fielding International and then more recently with Quinn Evans have helped us to build that 20year facilities uh plan. It addresses the district's most critical

141needs um across the district and at the same time it establishes a process for future uh phases of projects. So we know that a facilities master plan that's going to go 20 years is not you know you can't do everything all in the first year. So you need a plan to phase things in over that 20-year period. And that's what this that's what a facilities master plan does. It addresses those immediate needs, those infrastructure needs to secure our buildings, to keep them safe, to keep them functional, but then it also looks at the long term. Where do we want our district to go? Where do we want our district to be? And what do we want our district to look like? So, one of the things that we're considering in this facility's master plan is

142increasing the number of K8 buildings that we have. We currently have two in the district, increasing that number to five. And then also we're going to have to have some considerations about what we're going to do uh with our three high schools. First, let me talk a little bit about the um considerations for some K8 buildings. Um we want to uh like I said, we currently have two right now. Lori is a K8 building and McCulla Ununice is a is the other K8 building that we have. They're about, you know, almost a hundred years apart in in the a in the in their age, more like 80 years apart when they were built. And so they were built very differently. And you can see, especially if you go through a school uh like McCulla Ununice,

143you can see how the school is divided where you have uh middle school on one side, elementary on the other, and then that middle section where those common areas are much more efficient use of space uh in that building. So creating more create K8s in our district uh is is a way for us to invest in new and transformational spaces. So we talked about in the why part we talked about those transformational spaces the more lighting uh spaces for students to collaborate in spaces for teachers um and that's what we're looking at in these K8 buildings as well. also spaces for for programs like STEM and CTE uh exploration as well as uh to address critical security and infrastructure needs both at the elementary and middle school level. These kinds of things can help us

144also in attracting new families and new students to our schools. And you can see some some pictures here of what those spaces may look like. And like I said, uh we we list McCulla Ununice as an example of a K8 building that is designed uh more for more modern needs as opposed to a school like Lori that was built as beautiful as it is the school was built in uh you know almost a hundred years ago now. >> So when we look at the what of you know considerations for a K8 right um more exposure to consolidated programs. So, consistency of staff and more extracurricular activities by consolidating those programs into one space. Um, you know, we see a lot uh at the elementary level, lots of family involvement, lots of parental involvement at the

145elementary level and that naturally just kind of wanes a little bit as you get into the middle and high school. Uh, it's it's common in all districts. That's not unique to Dearbornne, but that K8 structure helps build that sense of community and it keeps it going longer because families are more connected. I may have siblings in two, three, and four in grades 2, three, and four or I may have or and and at the same time I I have other children who are in grades seven and eight. So, I'm going to stay more connected to that school as a K8 building. and that keeps that trust and builds those relationships uh that is so important to the school environment and the school culture as well. And it still maintains K5 elementary and K8 middle school

146options for students. As I said, you're not mixing them all together. You can build these schools to keep the students uh in their in their uh own, you know, uh um areas that are relevant to their age range as well. Um investing in new construction through bond uh funds reduces the stress on the general fund to longer durations of increased useful life for new buildings and components. So uh also improved traffic flow, parking for staff and visitors due to larger sites being considered. So just think about that now. Our schools we're pride ourselves on the neighborhood school concept. We love that. We can still do that, but we can do it in a with modern schools, K8 buildings, uh, and design in the parking, the drop off, the pickup, all of those things that we

147need in a K8 building, uh, in in a more modern facility to accommodate the current needs uh, of our families and our students. So, that's what what uh, looking at changing the model to moving to more K8s throughout the district. That's kind of some of the reasons uh uh for for what a K8 building would be and what we would do with that in our district. So now we um um uh just as an example just just so that you know people are saying well what the heck are you talking about K where are we going to do that? Well just one example this is not what we're going to do but this is an example of how it could work. We have O Smith who was built in 1954. Nalin in 45. And we

148talked about increasing that specialed uh program and and facilities right now. We've had those facilities in our district for a long time, but it was built uh it was modified to accommodate those programs. Wouldn't it be great to build a a a new facility attached to a general ed building that actually was built for special ed for our most at risk at need specialed students? These are students that we currently have in the district. They are our most um um intellectually and physically at need students. and wouldn't it be great to to be able to build something that that was specifically made for them and also at the same time kept them connected to the general ed students just like we have over at how right now and an example of a place where we

149could do that would be maybe O Smith and now that would be a great place maybe where we could do something like that so just some examples again of how that space might look when you when you actually put that together just some concept s of the more open light, a lot of light. We heard that in the Fielding International reports when we collected data from the community. That's what a lot of the community, the parents, the students, that's what they were saying. They wanted schools that had an environment that was friendly, that was that that that brought in more natural light uh for them and created those open spaces for collaborative learning. So the other part of this plan, the other what that we would do, uh we have to take a look at

150our at our high schools. We currently three high schools. We are all very loyal to those high schools. We love our high schools. Uh Dearborn High built in 55, Zel Ford in 57, and Fortzson obviously the jewel of uh crown jewel in our district built in 1927. Not quite yet 100 years old, but closely approaching that. $222 million of already identified needs for those buildings. So that's why, you know, there's that consideration. Do we do we invest in each of those buildings? Is that the direction that we go or uh should we start to look at what other districts have done here locally in our own area, but also across the country? And that is consolidating high schools on one campus. three separate high schools, three separate identities, but you still but but by putting

151them on one campus, you can really um >> Sorry, we a motion to extend the meeting. >> Yep. >> I'll move to extend the meeting by 15 minutes. >> Second. >> Trusty Mos. >> Yes. >> Bazzy. >> Yes. >> De Rojo. >> Yes. >> Zaher. Yes. Cheryl Jeff. >> Yes. >> Okay. So, by putting those high schools on one campus, you bring that equity into play again, right? Because now you're able to offer programs that all your high school students in the entire district can take part of, not just students at one school or another school. They're all right there. You can build facilities that all of our high school students can take advantage of that we may not be able to build if we had to do one at every high school. So um

152so that so that that campus that standardized campus that consolidated campus could really build some some equity some open up some better programming options and I'm a and also bring uh build together community. I will tell you right now I have been at the Barry Career Center the DCMST program which is a magnet program right students from all three of our high schools go there for a half day and they they spend time together. I've walked into classrooms where varsity jackets from Etso Ford, Dearborn High, and Fortzson are sitting together at a table collaborating on a project. Listen, we all love rivalries and we all love healthy rivalries and that's fun and we can't and we'll always have those and we always need those because that's what makes school fun, right? We have it at

153all levels. But to have kids understand that there's a difference between a rivalry but also be working together collaboratively as a community is is really really important. And that makes a district attractive to not only the people living here but people outside the community who want to come here when they see that kind of collaboration going on, that kind of learning going on and those kinds of spaces that create that for our students again. So, what are some uh ways of doing this? Um, well, we could look at there is some some building space available. There could be some building space available within our community that could be renovated uh and and that space then could be uh turned into that that that high school kind of area. Um, just some examples. These are real

154life examples from across the country. If you look at that one up in the top, the existing space uh in Austin, Texas, that was actually a mall that was converted into some a high school learning space. Uh the other ones are also learning spaces that have been uh converted in different parts of the country. So it's not a a new concept, but it's something new that maybe we could do here. >> Uh again, what is it? It creates efficiencies in the operations area, food service, transportation. Um, and then what do you do with the other existing buildings? Well, there's there's things you could do with them there. You know, we could have discussions on that and there's there's things you could do. You could, you know, turn them in. Maybe they could become the K8

155building. Uh, repurpose them u as as a a an athletic complex. Um, and Fortzson, of course, Fortzson High School, uh, that beautiful building, that historic building. We would never want to do anything to to damage that building. We would want to cherish and keep that. But maybe there's a different use for that actual space. That makes more sense. And with that, I'm going to turn it over and we're going to talk a little bit about the how. >> Thank you, Mr. Mustard. And so again with a facility master plan it's always okay we saw some green images of educational improvements technology um collaborative spaces etc. One of the district's major benefits right now is strong taxable values and you're actually a really unique opportunity to really to partner with the city of Dearbornne and take

156a look at the current millage rate and so with the Byron Fisk uh surveys one of the things we found is that the district's residents said well our our facilities are you know generally good. So, I think that's a huge testament to Mark Anders and his staff to really maintain your facilities. But again, one of the things are what would that those residents support? And so, what you have is a 71% would um look at a lowest funding option upwards of $300 a year or $25,000 a month. Really with that focus again is infrastructure. Uh CTE, special education, security, steam, and traffic is kind of ranked the top uh priorities. And again, fostering environments through classrooms and schools. So, I think we heard from Mr. must and there's some opportunities uh to really take a

157look at things holistically from that perspective. So again on the how um right now in 2025 the millage rate for city of Dearborn households is 26.3 mills and what's that comprised of? You'll see the next slide is is really three major factors for that. So right now the city of Dearborn has a 2013 combined sewer overflow uh debt service. Because of those strong taxable VAS it's going to be paid off early. As Mr. Mr. W did his financial presentation. You talk a little bit about your debt mill it itself. And so the approach here would be to maintain that 26.3 mills and actually generate $ 1.51 billion over the next 20-year period. On the next slide, working with the district's financial adviser. What you can see in yellow again is that debt service from the

158city that's falling off and again allowing the district to take an opportunity to really capture that uh mill rate going forward. So as Mr. Mustin said the district does not get 1.51 billion all at one time. It actually comes in a series of issuance. So again, if successful uh in 2027, the first $183 million would then be issued. And every three years, you can kind of see the outlay of those dollar amounts again progressively adding up to the $ 1.51 billion. Construction wise, roughly of that, about 1.39 billion is construction. And within that, there's approximately $640 million of new construction. So you're talking about transformational. I go back to that time or that pie chart that Mr. Walsh showed that, you know, whenever those time periods of all the schools built, the 1920s, you know,

159coming out of the roaring 20s right before uh, you know, uh, actually post World War I, as crazy as it sounds, you look at the 40s, the 50s, and the 60s, World War II, um, the Korean War. You look at the 92 through 2005, you had Y2K. So again, that was an opportunity that the district's residents and the community and the district as a whole said now it's time for generational transformation. Again, this kind of is in that same vein of that going forward. So the benefits of this again are maintaining that 26.3 for the city of Dearborn households. Most importantly, it gives you a 20-year funding mechanism which is going to help you relief on the general fund for a lot of those uh aspects that Mr. Wall mentioned in his financial update. But

160most importantly, you're investing new and transformational facilities. You can actually take a look at the neighborhood approach and actually take a look at his historical aspects within your current facilities that are not going to be replaced and how do you invest those dollars to make sure you're attracting and retaining students. Uh lastly, again it's going to give you the 20-year flexibility planning. We'll talk a little bit about that here shortly. So, kind of rolling off of the Quinn Evans report, uh what you have in orange is the first $366 million. That'd be your critical needs. uh again taking a look at a new K8, a new middle school and then starting the design of the K8 with potentially the how special education. The other thing I want to point out in this slide is you

161also have a lot of pentup infrastructure, those secured vestibules. You have 24 schools that do not currently have that reception office, eight which have the office actually tucked in the building. toilet rooms, athletic improvements, CT improvements, traffic improvements, roofing technology. Those infrastructural things are part of that first, you know, I'll call it year one programming from that perspective. And then again, high priority kind of in year five. Again, you kind of see it working its way through. Um, again, I just want to be very um candid like a lot of district buildings will be touched in that first five years from that perspective. to look at this graph a little differently. So you have your first uh 366 million, 394 in the yellow, 426 million, and 314 in blue. This actually looks at the timing

162of it. So I think it's important that if successful in November, you have a community input with those first several projects. You enter into design and then you obviously go into construction. For those projects that were in the high priority, you're actually starting that planning probably in year two or three. So again, looking at do I renovate? Do I look at new facilities going forward? and green. I think as Mr. Mustin said, that's kind of when you look at the major capital improvements for the three high schools. So again, we've got some time to really take a look at some options going forward. And again, most importantly, community input and programming is in all four of these phases. On the lower right, what you see is kind of those district-wide improvements as I mentioned. So

163phase one will touch literally every school in the first three to five years. And then obviously you'll have ongoing from that perspective on the how approach for potential facilities. Um obviously in the orange which is your criticals you kind of see in the quadrants. So again, a Lowry, a Salina Intermediate, uh we talked a little bit about just as an example, the O Smith and Nolan with 26 acres of potentially incorporating how from that perspective. Most of our clients, they have that uh stakeholder input when what that looks like is again, you have this facility master plan, you get your confirmation of funding, and at the end of the day, you have that stakeholder input, you update your assessments, you look at new new facilities potentially or renovating. And again, this is a process that

164takes place on a very repetitive basis going forward with community input and obviously board updates. So from tonight's presentation, the key takeaways again, the approach is to maintain the lowest cost option. And in this option, again, partnering with the city, uh, you're looking at 26.3 mil continuation. Again, that gives you 1.51 billion over the next 20 years. Taking a look at new and transformational spaces for both existing and new facilities. um respecting the historical components looking at the neighborhood approaches going forward. Um also as Mr. Mustin talked about is just the equity across the district um from that perspective and obviously commitment of transparency. I do appreciate the board allowing an opportunity tonight to present the first update for fiscal master plan and again today's an update going forward. So what are some of those

165next steps again after tonight's board meeting? uh take a look uh talk with the administration team, teachers and support staff again about potentially the K8s and then again potentially uh you know down the road a three high school renovation or potentially on campus but also garner community insight. So I think it's been important to kind of reach out and reconfirm what we heard from the Byron Fisk and we'll be back at the board update in May. Again, kind of a refining of this presentation and a little more specificity for that. And ultimately, if so desired in June at your meeting there, um if appropriate, you'd then consider and place it on the ballot for November 2026. And of course, that's when the ballot information campaign would start. Um again, answering a lot of those questions.

166So, with that, I'm going to turn back over to uh Superintendent Roar and uh the board for any uh insight. >> Go ahead, Mary. >> Yeah. So, we can move this along, but I just want to make it clear to the community that may be watching this whenever they get an opportunity. Um I'm still concerned about the fact that when in this presentation um we give the impression that we've made decisions already and the full board has had none of that discussion as of yet. Number one. Number two, the way this presentation was rolled out and I had expressed some concerns about it. We've got one slide talking about the three existing high school campuses with very little detail and four slides explaining how a a mass campus for all of the high schools and

167and and a and a very picturesque explanation of how it would look gives the impression that we're leaning in a direction to the community that I am uncomfortable with. I asked explicitly that we um hired Quinn Evans in order to give the community an option of neighborhood schools. And I insisted upon it over and over again after fielding study did not go that way. And yet we seem to be drifting back into that um exploring um the bright new shiny thing in the room when we were told that we could also accomplish a lot of this. And I don't want anybody in the community to think we're abandoning that option because we have not discussed it as a full board yet. So, I don't want the rumor mills to start in the community that we've

168already decided we're we're doing this instead of that. So, I just wanted to make that clear. >> Can I allow me to respond to that? >> Yes, >> you're right. There is more slide. There are more slides about the the one campus for example uh compared to the three existing high schools and I think because it needs more and it's new. We already know what Dearborn High looks like. We know what looks like. We know what Fortzson looks like. We already know what what the capabilities are and what the limitations are. Um and so when you when you are talking about a new concept, um I think we're respecting the community by explaining it into more detail. That by no means is to lean the community members in one direction or another. I think naturally

169they'll have more questions about a newer concept than existing buildings. So, um I would say that's the rationale for that. >> Trusty sir, >> um I echo what Trusty Pelich says. I mean, I'll start off by saying openly I don't like the idea of of a main big old campus. I don't know. I would like to even understand more how that conversation started because it didn't start here. Um as far as I can remember. Uh, I think the thing that makes us such a unique place is that yes, we're suburban, but we're kind of urban and our schools are all in our neighborhoods. And I'm not interested in some mega campus. And I also think that uh politically we need a lot more time to educate people and sell that to people than we need

170to renovate our existing schools. And I'm not sure we could get everybody on board for something that massive by November. That's my point of view. I I also just don't like it. But I I' I'd want to understand more about how how it not tonight, but how how this um idea made it into this uh presentation. >> Well, I can I can respond a little bit tonight if that's okay. So, it's all in one presentation. when we're looking at innovative learning environments and we're looking at models that are trending to an extent um you can't help but to look at uh a central campus um as an option not as the the choice but as an option when we look at Dearbornne and you look at renovations by the three high schools where where how

171far we need to get regarding equity in CTE programs equity in in in drama and art and music and classrooms rooms um providing these opportunities for all of our students. I guess it was an idea of are we daring to build three state-of-the-art campuses? Is there money for that? Or do we provide the option to you of one state-of-the-art campus that all of our students can benefit from? By no means do I even have a preference or should I have a preference. It's your decision to make when we're looking at equity across boundaries in our city and the state of our buildings as they are. All three high schools need so much work and renovation to get up to par to what our students and teachers deserve and need. I don't think you can help

172but to but to consider an option where one central location will give you state-of-the-art. >> Sorry, we need to extend the meeting another 15 minutes. I'll uh make a motion to extend the meeting by another 15 minutes and hopefully it's the last >> second. >> Trusty Mosip, Trusty Bazzy, Trusty Drosio, Trusty Pelov, Trusty, Trusty Zahar. Yes. Cheryl Jam. Yes. >> All right. Go ahead. >> That that was I was concluding my statement. >> I have questions. >> Go ahead. >> Uh first of all, uh K8 buildings um do we have any could be preliminary data as far as student achievement? Did it increase student achievement with KA buildings? I understand the whole concept of of savings um from a cost point of view as far as and the whole idea of keeping the momentum and

173the continuity. Yeah. In in for eight years or nine uh for that matter >> or for how long the students stay in that school. about it. Do we have any any data on as far as does it improve student achievement? >> I have um I have soft data that we've collected through other departments. Um and I'm excited to share with you more more concrete data. Just need a little bit of time. >> Okay. And then the other thing is I was surprised not to see you presented the one campus and probably not to add another slide but not to see Plymouth uh case because it's a it's a very local comparable district that actually moved into that model of having three high schools within one campus. And if we are exploring that, I would say

174we need to pay them a visit and just check it out like how we did with Norville and >> I know that they're currently what a few staff members during our community input um sessions are casual ones were saying that they're revamping actually their model and their vision to make sure that their identities of the different >> sports teams and are are are still >> um I guess relevant. >> Yeah. And so that's defin we're they're they're kind of doing the work that we we hopefully will avoid. >> Okay. >> If we move in this direction, there's also other national campuses as well. >> Okay. >> Plymouth Canton the only one in the state right now I believe or maybe you be me to it. >> Yeah, >> that is one campus. Yeah. Okay. Uh

175question about the 26.3 mills that is only school and city. Is that is that what I'm reading right? So that doesn't include Wayne County parks and other mills and library and okay so it's only 26.3 and so for those who are watching the city is with the sewer and the C what was it was cso project a separation of waters project that's going away or going out of our tax books and that's where kind of our potential bond would kind of slide in and keep no increase. So, it would kind of the taxes would be a no uh no mill increase. >> Just to clarify that it's our whole harmless millage. >> Yeah. >> That we currently levy on households, our debt millage and the city millage that's going away. that what makes up that

176>> all three together packaged to make it to the new bond for another 20 years. >> Correct. And we have to be very clear and transparent that this is no increase for the homeowner. >> Yes. >> For businesses for mortgage may may have an impact. Yes. as you >> uh one problem with that we're banking on the fact that the city stays true to that and there isn't some emergency that they end up having to we're we're assuming that that 20 years they are not going to have to return to the voters for something else that they might have taxes. So the assumption that it would remain um stable for 20 years is not a given. >> Correct. And to to safeguard that is every year as part of our budget amendment process, our budget

177proposal process, the board confirms what we're going to levy for each year. So underneath that scenario, we have a 20-year plan. If some emergency happened, the board can make a determination on annual basis to maybe we delay it a year, you know, so it doesn't we may delay it go to a 20 year to 21 so we don't impact. So there's different >> control gates along the way. clear that people understand what they're um being asked to um vote on. >> All right, Trusty Batty. >> Um you know, I know that there have been ideas that have been put out there and I really like how we had the three phases and I'll just use the example like the one central high school campus or the three as it's planned right now. That's in phase

178three. We could go either way. Community feedback on the way. It's not it's not something that next year we're going to have shovels in the ground and we're going to be doing one or the other. So I I like how it's phased and we have community feedback as we're building out to that. Um so it's it's not you know November here it is. Here's the whole thing for 20 years. You're saying yes or no. It's here's what we're doing in the beginning. Here's what we're starting out with and then community feedback. Community feedback. Community feedback. >> Thanks for noting there. I think phase one is the one that's the most specific as it should be. And we've all said, and I think David said it when he was up here, we can't predict in 5,

17910 or 15 years where we're going to go. We do not have to make every decision today. Nor can we, nor is it responsible to. Um, so all paths lead to innovation, no matter what you choose. All paths lead to transformation, which is what we deserve, our students deserve. And so not every decision can be made today. I think if you're settled in phase one and we can clear clarify any any questions you may have um we will but after that I think I would assume it's a board community central office kind of work that's going to be done under the guidance of PMR who's the constant through all of this >> another question I think this is a question for Tom when we were looking at a kind of like that net zero mil

180increase there's assumption built in there correct me if I'm wrong here assumption built in there on taxable values. >> Correct. >> Right. And so if taxable values increase faster, that would that would what reduce >> pay off the >> correct. Right now, obviously, there's a large increase for what we know for next year already from the preliminary information from the city of Dearborn. Also, the new Ford complex is not in that number yet. So, that's something else that's going to be considerable. But again after that it's roughly 2% and depending on how the economy goes if that raises faster that mill rate would go down. >> So the estimates >> or the converse if the board says all right now that the tax rates appear instead of waiting 20 years maybe we get it finished

181in 18 years. So that's a that's going to be a yearby-year decision by the board how they want to move forward with the data they have. >> And the assumption in that is a 2% increase. I mean I think over the past few years four four five and historically up to this point. >> Correct. >> I like I like that you choose conservative numbers when we're going through that and still get us set in net zero. >> I I think uh I'll make a comment and then trustee. So I think the only um obviously we all still need to digest this and look at it. I mean reviewing it at 12:00 at night has not really um helped much. So we're going to go back and review it. The only thing is and and trusty

182petrol mentioned that as far as making it seem like we are going to go through the three high school, you know, one campus. Um, as Trusty Zer mentioned too, I I'm not for it and I and I think it's a great it's a it's a good uh concept to think about, but when you look at it uh in the state and somebody mentioned it's only in one place. So, you know, just because it's in one place and it started a while back. I I don't think it's just started maybe. >> No, it's been there for quite a while and they've had some issues. >> Yeah. So, in saying that, you know, you would think other cities, you know, if it was so successful would have um moved to that path. The other point though is

183that there's not many other school districts that have uh three high schools, >> right? I mean, so we are kind of unique in the fact that we are the third largest district in the state and we have three high schools. Now, I know it's very common for cities to have maybe two high schools. So, that may play a factor in. I'm not discounting what you're saying. I'm just providing another reason why maybe some other school districts have it. >> I I agree. I mean, but there's places like Udica or Ann Arbor and other places that have multiple high schools. >> Uh, but it just it just seemed like it's a concept and I think Trusty Mos mentioned >> it would be good to know, you know, what people think about it that >> because at

184the end of the day >> the distinction uh and I remember talking to a kid that went over there like >> they feel like they're in um a university versus a high school. it's like a campus or a college versus um that that alumni or that pride is not there as much. So it's something for all of us need to digest and also do a little more research on on those type of this one uh campus. Um, yep. Sorry, my brain is dwindling down. >> I wonder why. >> Um, Trusty Bazzy stole my my thought, but now you brought it back up, so I'll reiterate, but I I really thank you first of all for doing all this. Uh, we've come a long way in a short period of time. >> Um, I I really

185appreciate it. I know how much work has gone into it. Um, I think to to tie these together is, uh, yes, the the idea is to get the community feedback. Uh I for one, you know, started as I don't like this and I like that and now here I am. I'm like, well, I don't know what I like and what I don't like because I don't know what what is available. I don't know what the options are. And I think that's going to be the same for our community. Um so I appreciate this. I think that the question is, you know, presenting everything on the table with, you know, the feasibility of it, uh the benefits, etc., etc., with the numbers, the data you're doing. So just let's let's do that even further and then

186clarify where we need to if we need to that these are your options although these two this specific decision is not coming for 10 more years or 15 years um these are the options on the table because passing this bond it's not about deciding what we're doing with the money tomorrow uh not even tomorrow I mean November next January this is about these are all the options we we we have with this money so please you know our job is to show everyone that we've done our homework that we have options on the table that this is what a reality could look like. Um we're inviting them for further discussion especially beyond phase one. Um so I think we also need to remember that and do a better job of of saying those things instead

187of just also acting like we are making the decision. We are not making that decision right now. >> Let me can I respond before >> Yeah. >> First thank you for thanking us. >> It was a labor of love. Um, let me just clarify this. This one campus model is an option. >> You wanted options. We're giving options. That's number one. >> Number two, there there is appeal to it. There are community members who find it very appealing. They may not be here, the majority. Some of you may like it, some of you may not. Uh, this is not a central office idea, if I may. Okay. uh we were tasked with providing options. It's an option. Uh when we've casually spoken with community members, there is some appeal to it and there's fear. There's

188both. Um and there's lots of questions that hopefully in the future we can answer either way. I just wanted to clarify that. Um no one is trying to persuade you. We are not. I I would just be if you want to know my opinion, you're not asking, but I'll give it anyways. Whatever we do for these kids, I don't care what it looks like, as long as we're investing in in these infrastructure uh plans for them. >> Absolutely. >> We'll I think we'll all be happy. >> Absolutely. >> Whatever you choose is fine. Honestly, as long as we're doing something for these kids. >> Y >> and can I say I've been through a lot of ballot proposals in the decades I've been involved in the school district and I will tell you this. If

189we put out a ballot proposal at with that dollar figure because that's the only way it can be worded and we are telling them, well, we're going to we got phase one ready for you. We're not sure what you're going to get in phase two or three. It could change because we don't know. That's going to cause more difficulty in getting buy in from a lot of voters who are saying you don't even know what you're you're telling me um you want me to do with the um the plans to so there will be some distrust that we've only made phase one the >> and on the flip side if we give them a 20-year plan they're going to say well how come how come you didn't I understand I'm just saying you're you. Um,

190>> so if if I could just >> You're right. >> interject. >> It's uh almost 12:20 and we're going to continue. Uh, >> yeah. I'd like to make another motion to extend the meeting by another 15 minutes. >> Second. >> Mos. >> Yes. >> Bazy. >> Yes. >> Sar. >> Yes. >> Okay. So, so in saying that, I I think it's a good idea for us to digest information and maybe have a follow-up discussion because right now we're going to go back and forth and I don't think we're all, you know, we we probably need more time to to to look at this. So, if everyone is okay, I think this has been a long night. >> Yes. Thank you. >> And uh >> I think it's been the longest night, longest board meeting. >>

191No, no, I've been at a Oh, no. longer. >> No. So, >> much longer. >> So, in saying that, >> in saying that, do we have any other business? >> Yeah, we do. Just go to the >> board of education business. >> Oh, yes. Yes. >> Um, acknowledgement of correspondence. >> president already responded to the >> Okay, great. Board member, committee, and organization reports. Can I just really quick say that we did have a uh a a committee for the um expect respect um to do a presentation before the board and came up with a game plan. I think we'll be ready. He's not paying attention to me. Um >> it's okay. >> I'll ask for it to be on the agenda maybe in July. >> In July. Yeah. Uh next item. >> Board member

192interim superintendent commentary. Uh oh, go ahead. >> It'll be very brief, but there hasn't been a chance to do it yet. Uh Lemise or sorry, Superintendent said it earlier today uh to yesterday. Um that April is ArabAmerican Heritage Month and we are in Dearborn, the capital of Arab America. We are in a school district that has 20 more than 20,000 students and even though we don't know the exact numbers, the vast vast majority of them Arab-American. So, uh, uh, I'm very proud, um, to live in this place and serve in this place. And even though it says, um, interim in her title, it still says superintendent in her title. So, which makes, uh, Miss Sur our first Arab-American superintendent in the history of Dearbornne public schools. >> And the first I was going to say

193that, David. And the first woman And not only that, we are we are lucky and of course everyone that is our we love everyone that's in our school district, but it is April. It's Arab-American Heritage Month. We are also um lucky to be led by a lot of uh great wonderful proud Arab-Americans and uh sorry Mike, mostly Arab-American women uh who uh work uh at the high levels of our district. So happy ArabAmerican Heritage Month to everybody. Oh, go ahead. >> Uh, since you guys you wanted to keep me here, I'll share some updates as well. Um, just kidding. I'll keep them brief. Uh, first one is uh kind of committee, but um I attended the Dearborn Education Foundation meeting, my first one of the year as I'm assigned to that um this for this

194calendar year. Um and they have, you know, several new board members that were brought on and so it was interesting to see the dynamic as people are learning. I'm really excited to be part of that and um you know hopefully better reports to come as they get situated as well. Um secondly, I did um also I think as mentioned last month um join the early learning coalition and so I had my first meeting for that on the same day um and it was a busy day. Um but that was awesome. I'm really excited to to be working with them and all the different groups um in the community as well. Um, next update is, uh, last month, we haven't talked about it, but last month was March's reading month. And so, um, we had the

195pleasure, most of us, I think, to go around and read to the elementary schools, um, in the district, and I had a great time, and I know you all did, too, um, >> together. >> Some of us went together. I know we teamed up a bunch. So, um, thank you to all the principles and staff who welcomed us in. I tried to take a tour of as many schools as I could. Um, those ones, you know, the the principles that wanted me there. made me feel welcome. Um and the ones who were busy, you know, had students or other staff help me out. So, it was it was a great time. Um and then lastly, I we haven't discussed, but um this the next three days we do have superintendent interviews um going on from

1966:00 to 9:00 p.m. every day. >> Um and I'll, you know, >> Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, the next three days. Um I'll let the chair comment on that briefly. >> Yeah. And I think that was uh that was going to be a part of my update is um the status of where we are and um it's being led by trustee Maz. We selected six candidate as people are aware and the interview process will um commence soon and and and I know I repeat the same thing the the process the goal is for the process to be fair for everyone for all six candidates. Um, we will do our best as trustees to make sure that we choose the best candidate possible for the district. Um, and and that's what the process for is to be able

197to interview people to assess and then allow the community to be a part of it. There's certain events, meet and greet and so on. Trustee Maz, do you want to add anything to it? >> Yeah, Mr. Sheri uh said the questions will be randomized as far as who reads them. Um, and he also uh did mention that um it's 12:15 but anyway um yeah uh there will be two each night so we will have two tomorrow two the day after and two on Thursday >> and then on Saturday we will >> yeah the script will be provided by Mr. area. So, >> so we start tomorrow. >> Yeah, we start tomorrow. >> Yeah, >> I'll be announcing those meetings in just on our next >> Yeah. Yeah. >> More commentary. >> Oh, go ahead. >>

198Um, I'll try to keep it brief. Um, now I know none of the second, third, and fourth graders that I read if I built a school are awake right now. They probably all should be sleeping, but I promised them that this would be on YouTube. So, they all were assigned to draw what they think their future school could look like. And so I have a nice stack here from Henry Ford Elementary, from how and from Maples. You guys are welcome to look through all these, but nice pictures of what they think their schools should look like the future. I just want to highlight a few. I think they'll come up on the screen. Um the first one you'll see here uh on the he had two ideas on the left hand side being uh um

199all lunch tools will be recyclable and eco-friendly. And it is actually something that we are thinking about. Um, how can we, you know, when we talk about our new infrastructure, how can we be more eco-friendly? How can we have less waste? Um, but that does require sometimes bigger cafeterias, bigger uh prep areas, and then there's something chemistry happening on the right hand side there, but you know, more more complex science is what they're asking for, and that I think is great. Um, the next one here, uh, you'll see now the book did talk a lot about slides and trampolines and things like that. So, they were very excited about that. But here you'll see playing more outside, more slides, a pool, uh more recreation, >> just no monkey bars, please. >> Okay, that's you're the

200boss. Um so, looking here again, if you look at the the next one, a pool, basketball court, football court, soccer field, um you know, more things to do outside. And then the next one, you'll see um they want iPads and pools and places to play. Um, and so, you know, I think, you know, when I explained to the kids that, you know, what our roles were as the board that this is their this is their government at work and this is their government at work. When they provide us feedback, we listen. And so, we have lots of feedback here. And, you know, you're welcome to look through this, but I want all of the kids who who shared uh their pictures to know that they're here. We listen to them just like we listen to

201everybody else. And this is this is your actually got a lot of government questions. this is your government uh at work. So, thank you to the kiddos that that shared it. If you're watching this on YouTube later, good job. Um and then one other thing I would like to bring up and thank um fat and Mikey and interim superintendent swore for joining us on Saturday morning for the Martian marathon here in Dearborn. Uh we partnered with Zmen International and the Zaman run team and Anzy's angels uh the special ed department um the POI group and then some students from how came out. Uh ANZ's Angels is a group that brings what they call chariots or specialized strollers for adults and children that wouldn't be able to typically participate in these race events. Um these individuals

202are able to go uh into these uh chariots and you have volunteer runners that will push them for a 5K, 10K, half marathon marathon. We chose the 5K. We didn't go, we weren't that ambitious, but our group of volunteer runners uh took six students out to have um a great morning and participate with everybody else. Three of the students actually with about 100 years 100 uh yards out, came out of their chariot and finished on their own ability in front of everybody just like everybody else. And that's inclusivity. So, thank you Fatme, thank you Mike, thank you Lamese for joining us, for doing this. It was a wonderful morning. We've done it for four years and I look forward to continuing to do it. Thank you so much. Appreciate it. Just trying not to motion

203for another one. >> Uh I'll I'll make it brief. >> All right. >> Okay. So, uh yeah, I just now remembered what I needed to say. As far as the questions, uh Mr. Sheri said that he was not able to combine the two questions that we mentioned. So, there will be that in that category there will be four questions. >> Three, >> but four in that category because we couldn't combine >> four. We did three and four. So, yes. we couldn't combine those two questions into one. But in the later category, we were he he was able to combine two questions. So, >> so it'll be 22 questions. >> Yeah, 22 questions total as far as the and I just share them all with you. >> Um, so you should all have them. >> Um,

204>> as far as going back to the bond presentation, thank you, Superintendent Sure, and everybody who has contributed to it. I just wanted to mention and admire the equity lens that was put into it because unfortunately w with looking our capital outlay our district because of the number of years that these buildings have been built they're they're not equitable some students go to the state of the art like UNUNICE and some students go to Lori. So, uh, definitely this bond will hopefully correct that issue and and make our buildings equitable. Uh, yeah, I I just shared also with you the letter that we want to share with our uh key legislators as far as the virtual schooling or accelerated virtual schooling. Uh we uh to the people watching, we wrote a letter to uh both

205representatives and senators at the state house and state senate to urge them to reg uh regulate um virtual schooling or accelerated programs uh regular uh for uh virtual schooling for I'll keep it at that. And then the last thing that I I enjoyed doing last week or the week before was with the League of Women Voters registered more than uh 40 students at Dearborn High School. >> Awesome. >> To vote. >> Go ahead. >> I just want to say one last thing. Me and I think only three minutes do we have >> I know I'm this is really fast. >> I think only me and Trusty So I don't know if any other trustees will be attending the MESB spring conference uh May 1 and two. Okay. >> Um so looking forward to that. >>

206Yes. Thank you. >> Next item is request for information on our future agenda items. >> No. >> Next item is future meeting dates. Tuesday, April 14th, 2026. P12 superintendent interviews. First round 6 p.m. at the administrative service center in the Frankie boardroom. Wednesday, April 15th. Wednesday, April 15th, 2026. P12 superintendent interviews. First round, 6 p.m. at the Administrative Service Center in the Frankie boardroom. Thursday, April 16th, 2026. P12 superintendent interviews. First round 6 p.m. at the Administrative Service Center in the Frank Fanchi boardroom. Saturday, April 18th, 2026. P12 superintendent finalist selection 11:00 a.m. at the Administrative Service Center in the Frank Fanchi boardroom. Monday, April 20th, 2026, HFC policy meeting, 6 p.m. at the Administrative Services Conference Center in the Cabinet Conference Room. Monday, April 20th, 2026, HFC board of trustees meeting, 7 p.m. at

207the Administrative Services and Conference Center in the Rosenol boardroom. Friday, April 24th, 2026, P12 Superintendent finalist interviews. 6 PM at the Administrative Service Center. >> I don't think that's I don't think that's right. >> That one is incorrect. >> That one's incorrect. It's actually Thursday, April 23rd, 2026. P12 superintendent finalist interviews 6 p.m. at the Administrative Service Center in the Frank Branchy quarter. >> Yes. >> All right. If there's no other business, meeting is ajourned. >> Are you sure?