BOE Meeting 5-18-2026

001Thank you for uh bearing with me on the microphone issue. This meeting is a meeting of the board of education in public for the purpose of conducting the school district's business and it's not to be considered a public community meeting. The agenda reserves two periods for public participation and those wishing to receive a personal response from the board of superintendent must complete a public comment form available at the meeting entrance and on our website. Upon request to the superintendent, the district shall make reasonable accommodation for a person with disabilities to be able to participate in this meeting. Oh, can you please follow the rot? >> Mr. Oliver >> here. >> Mrs. Brutderly >> here. >> Mr. Safa >> here. >> Miss Kangas >> here. Mr. Fisano >> here. >> Mrs. Riser >> here. Mrs. Zera

002here. Menel >> here. >> Mr. Brown >> here. >> Thank you. Um, we have meeting minutes from our May 4th meeting. >> I'll move that the board of education approve the attach meeting minutes from May 4th, 2026 as presented. >> Second. We have a motion and a second. Any discussion? All those in favor of approving the meeting minutes as presented, please say I. I. >> Any opposed? >> Board policy provides the superintendent of schools shall prepare the agenda for all of our meetings as directed by the president of the board. Do I have a motion? >> I'll move the board of education approve the agenda as presented. >> I'll second. We have a motion, a second. Any discussion? All those in favor of approving the agenda as presented, please say I. I. >> Any opposed?

003Okay. Um, first up tonight, we have our public hearing for our sex ed curriculum revision. Um, we've had two opportunities for public review curriculum and the board has received um both paper feedback and email feedback from the community and this is our opportunity this evening for anyone who would like to address the board and speak with us. Is there anyone who would like to address the board? Um, seeing no one um who wishes to speak on the sex ed curriculum update this evening, we will move on to our school presentations. And tonight we have a presentation from food and nutrition. >> Thank you. Just a second. And if you don't mind pushing and holding the microphone button on that too. Thank you. You don't look at screening. Yes, the screening and then Yeah. Yeah, as

004Jennifer's getting set up here, many of you familiar factor of food nutrition does an incredible job. Excited to present to you all today. So I know she's been working with assistant director Rox as well as Miy on this presentation and post glad to have your >> Thank you very much. Thank you very much for >> I wanted to take the opportunity as we're we've been looking into ways to increase our uh sustainability um throughout our program in the district. Um and and the RFP that we put out um is one of those ways that I thought a lot of people might look at a voluntary plan. Um so I thought I'd give you a little bit of background. Um so for a number of years we've had student and community inquiries about our use of

005displacement. Um many of you are familiar with them. their uh faux poly style and bio confir um and so uh disposable foam products have on the environment. And so I have lots of question I have lots of interactions with students about what the options are out there uh available to us and what we might be able to do uh what we might be able to do. So um just to sh just to kind of give you a little bit of background on what the available options are for meal trays. Uh there are reusable trays which if you've been to Anchor Beacon um those are the hard plastic trays um that we use for the littles. Um they they are wonderful but they um and they because they are reusable um you can get a lot

006of life out of them. Um the the drawbacks from them is that it does require space. You have to have space to be able to wash and dry the trays. um the trays trays have to be completely dry before we stack them back together again or otherwise there's the opportunity for bacteria to grow and uh we want to keep our kids safe. So it does require a little bit of extra labor um and there are additional material costs to the initial investment. Um there are compostable trays and this is quite often one of the um solutions that students will bring to me and say like well what about compostable trays? Impostable trays are a wonderful thing. Um the hard part about compostable trays is that um they are much much more expensive than the option

007of marathon trays. Um unfortunately about they come down I should say not unfortunately they are going to come down in price but unfortunately they're still at least three times as much as the disposable. Um, and as much as I, you know, the idea of, you know, being able to compost these trays and, um, have them become, uh, something that's workable in a very short period of time is a wonderful idea. The problem is is that we don't have any, it requires a commercial compost facility in order to be able toize that process. And there are no there aren't even any exclusion. I have talked to I have done my own research. I have called around throughout the state trying to get um information on commercial compost facilities. I have talked to the companies that produce

008the compostable trays and said, "I would I would consider your product if you can find me a place to send the trunks." they change. So, um they would break down in a landfill faster obviously than a phone tray. However, um there's still significant. So, the third option is our disposable trays. They are the least expensive option um but they're they're made of polystyrene which is a highly recyclable material. It's just foam in its in its form. is not a easily recycled material or a read readily available service to be able to get to. So you might see um that there are phone pickups at the Dexter Mill periodically. Um we have uh we have been we've been looked into this um previously but this is where the foam tray densifier comes. So when we look

009at the adaptability of the concepts um some of the things that we've we've done is between the deck and WY and Mil Creek we have the ability um we have the space to be able to u utilize reusable trims. So um at Creekide in the high school the footprint in the kitchen is too small. There isn't any place to dry trays. Um so really no forces you know um using the disposs uh I've already mentioned about the the challenges of materials um but then you've got this idea of recycling those trays and it's would be adapting a process that we're currently using and just modifying it. We actually piloted a program of recycling our home trays right before um co and it was very successful. um we we piloted that at the high school and

010Creek side and um it worked very well. Now you might say well okay well if you piloted it before um what was different about then it is now. So the previously the program that we utilized uh to recycle the foam trays in the pilot program was directly through Dart and we had um we had a program set up with our recycling company to take these trays um back and then Dart would pick up the trays from their site and recycle them. Since that time, um the recycling company has changed their uh truck transportation. So now they don't have the capacity to hold the trays from us. Dart has changed all of their equipment out. So in order to recycle the trays with Dart, if you could get the trays there, we would have to wash

011and dry first. So if we were going to do that, then I'd probably go down the rabbit. So um that so moving on to just kind of I just wanted to touch uh briefly on our overall plan to reduce our carbon footprints and steps that we've taken already is we have reduced our waste at at the deck by using trays exclusively. Um there are times that we have to um divert to disposable trays but they are very try to make that very very why we move to reusable trays as well um because they have to release in to be able to process building and what we're looking to do at the high school is implement program through a um foam tray densifier to recycle and then eventually um look at being able to transition no

012range to hard trays uh so that way for the use of the trays and it incorporates sustainability that uh measures at when you recycle. So a home tray densifier looks like this. Um this is a this is one of the options that you're going on. Um it is a it is basically a oven. So, what you do is you can take your your soiled trays, um, stack them in this, and it heats them up to a temperature that melts the foam down, um, and it removes the air because foam trays are foam products are about 95% at their home. So we're reducing the volume um and breaking it down into basically like a pump that is uh big and in the process carbonizes food soil. So now that is no longer a concern for the

013tractor and it's a relatively simple design. It's basically so in the RFP uh we received two quotes or we received two proposals um one from food service sustainability solutions and one from technology international. Um the food service sustainability solutions is a a company that um their product is called Stegy and they are they are in several schools um in Michigan um as well as in uh throughout the country. uh they're they're really designed for our setting um and come in a much more cost effective price point um and a compact footprint. The technology international um option is meant for much more high production uh volume processing of of site of foam products and comes with much kind of fist in it. So my my recommendation is that uh when we move forward when purchasing a

014sty for the high school uh be able to have that on site so that the trace would get diverted immediately from the cafeteria loaded into the styro um periodically two times a week we would run the machine so that way it would um process that down um to the pot which you can see. I don't even know who said that. That's what it would look like. Um that product would then we would hold on to it. We would um stack it up onto pallets and then be able to ship that off the website. So if you have any questions, I just wanted to keep this brief. I don't exist. So um what questions can I ask? >> Yes. You said >> um so you do it two or three times a week you think? >>

015Yes. >> So that thing holds about 1,000 well 2,000 to 3,000 trays. >> It holds about Yeah, it holds about a thousand events. So we're estimating that um yes it will be two different >> be once a day though. Yeah, it um no my my estimate of the the volume >> every student's getting a lunch every day. So >> worst case scenario. >> Yeah. >> Worst case scenario once a day, right? >> And so it takes it takes about eight hours. So what you do um they have shorter cycles they have longer cycles but the idea is that we would fill it and then whenever we need to that's full enough to run a cycle we would do that so that um it would get it would heat up. This is a unit that we

016would have outside the building just just outside the building. We have a vent around it so that way um if the outside was hot um no one would be able to touch it. uh but and certain not have access to to investigate >> each point that most of my room can't have dirty dirty products they won't accept at least locally right how does the the soil doesn't even work is it burns when you're eating it kind of curious >> yeah it carbonizes the food that's on there and so then it it creates I mean I don't understand all the ins and outs of the recycling process process of that, but it makes it so that it's no longer a problem and the recycling is not going to um it's not going to contaminate the the

017recycled material. Their processes um are capable of handling the the carbon. Um whereas with you know some other like where DAR is currently um you just have to have everything almost in here, right? Yes. >> So, would you continue to use the same um set of phone plates that you're using now? >> Yes. >> And how would it work logistically? Like do the students throw them like in one trash bag? So, we would have um as part of purchasing the machine, we would have tray stacker cards so that it would be very clear to where the students put the trays. Um and it stacks them up and that turns on wheels. We roll that right out to the machine, take a stack from the cart, put it into the machine, uh be able to hose

018off the cart. So that way you don't have any food soil that remains on there back into the cafeteria for the next >> still is needing to like sort through the trash to fill up the trash. Correct. >> So there will be a little bit of education. Um, I've already contacted the rain team at NHS uh to see how we could partner together to help with the education of just helping direct kids to put it on the card. Don't throw it in. >> Thank you. >> Um, thank you for the presentations, but it's helpful. Um, there's something that we have talked about, so thank you for bringing it to us. Um, couple questions on the the unit itself. Um, do you know how long it's expected to last? like how what's the replacement process for

019that? useful is considered to be about spoken up and you're going to get one for the high school and one for as of right now we're just going to do one for the high school because we're not um the plans for the new building are solidified and ask that um plan continues to develop and look at exploring what's option best fit okay Um, are there fumes associated with like when when this oven runs? I'm thinking about my kitchen stove when I'm self cleaning a stove that stinks like crazy. Um, what does that? Yes, I mean there would be an ober which is why we run it at night so that way it would um impact as many people as possible but then it's also um there is an exhaust that is put up higher so

020that way it's not impacting things we're trying to make. Do you know if the fumes are noxious or poisonous or they >> No, far as I understand they're not not poisonous. They're just they have an odor that um we off. So it's just as a um more as a environment is less noticeable. >> Right. And I assume that you've done I think I'm pretty sure you guys have done this but I can't remember the numbers. Um if you were to expand the kitchen or to make it bigger somehow so that you could have washable um trays um what would the cost difference be around to >> I don't have exact numbers for this. The hard thing about that pitching is that they um they're kind of locked in. So, you've got the serving area on

021one side, you've got you got a hallway on the other side, and you got a classroom that backs up on the far side where and then you've got floating dock and some additional the mechanical room that sits behind the log. um if you know to be able to expand it especially where the dish area um would be extremely costly. Um so this would be a much more cost effective solution as opposed to locating to the bank. So pipe fil pipe goes up to till goes up in the air and then it how far does it travel before it simulates. I don't want to have like our and we don't have good neighbors. We got speaker problem and resolving I don't want to have neighbors by say we smell flips every night. What are you doing?

022Oh, she didn't that noticeable. I don't have specific numbers on um how quickly it dissipates, but um I have talked to Sean is one of the other school districts in the state that has this um uh one of these and uh the other districts that I've talked to have not had any problems other than like the media of that area. And that's why they just if you're standing right next to it, they just want to be able to have an exhaust, right? That just carries it up a little bit. So it's not somebody, you know, as opposed to walking behind. You can smell their visual like a smoky thing like white smoke. >> I think it's a great question. Um I don't believe that there is. I can check on may ask a question ask

023the manufacturer also how far people are going to come and ask a question probably so when is the precipitate >> so we know that >> yes I will I will look into that um I have a meeting with um the representative from the company on Wednesday so I'll be sure to >> I think it'd be great to include if they could provide any sort of information on exactly what those emissions consist of usual to Jennifer's question and that way we at least have like uh you know we know what is coming out of that pipe in a spec. >> Yeah. >> Sure. >> Yeah. >> Right. I mean we really we want to encourage sustainability. We don't want to contribute to air pollution. So kind of weighing those two things, right? But there's an air

024cleaner. I So yeah, that'd be helpful. So, we've only received two bids on the RP that that's it. >> Just such a difference between the two prices like what what are we given what are we not seeing here? That's what I'm >> I think it's they're two completely different systems. Is that right? Like there's this is just a huge system versus this is a much smaller. >> Yes, it's it's much smaller. Um and it's geared towards it's really weird for schools. Um I have not been able to find another that is similar uh to sty they service solutions but they have a a sole source letter um but beyond that I still wanted to do the case we just never know >> sure >> and there's another solution that's out there but these are the

025only few that were presented to me and Um, and I did, like I said, I've done my own research online to see what what else I can find, what else is somebody, you know, what other schools are doing. I go to shows who shows that shows on regular business to see what other technologies out there that should consider. Um and and they are the old um they have the the phone trainer and then they also have they have another lab that we break down compost with respect to the if I know it was this later on in the agenda if we did pass it. How long was the lead time before it would be stalled? So it would be over 12 weeks. Okay. But it just depends on if they have building one for us

026that it would be more 12 week 12 week time. Um or if they have one in stock as soon as in addition to this I also need to have a electrical run and have the same initiate. Um so those are other factors that I need to but I'm I I believe it's very likely u very feasible to have this done this. >> So the the 29450 would not include the any of the fencing or electrical work that need to be done. >> Yeah. the quote that I have um I'm getting an updated quote because it's been a while for my electrical, but the for the electrical is $1,800 um to have the line run because there is electrical right there. I just need to bring it on the outside of the building as opposed to

027it's just going to be 7. Um and then the fencing, it's not a very large unit. It's like 40, it's like about 50 in. Yeah. 50 inches long by 37 inches deep. And so it's not a very big space that we would have to fence. I think the the hardest part is finally I'm looking at betting fencing currently. Um but when I had a rough quote quite a while ago was uh it was only like about the same amount of money as the is the electrical vote. Um but obviously prices have changed spending. So I'm getting that that updated information. I think that the greater challenge is because it is a small project finding someone that amount to do for the capacity. >> Let's if we could let's hold the specific questions at this point

028till we pull action in a little bit if that's okay. >> Excellent. Thank you so much for this presentation. I know this is a topic that is very dear to students hearts. We have heard it year in and year out. So, I I really appreciate all the work you've done to gather the research and bring us an option. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you board. Please feel free to jot down your notes for questions that you want to bring back when we fold this up for action. Um it is now time for our second uh our first uh regular period of public participations. Um at this time, do we have anyone who would like to address the board? And seeing no one, we will move on to our administrative and board update starting with

029the superintendent. >> You know, it's hard to believe, but end of the year events are starting across campus. We've got a lot of wonderful concerts. Uh group brought me their end of the year talent did demonstrate had a chance to go to several of them. Second graders were invited over to the CTA. So all second graders went to the CTA for a second grade music concert. A terrific show. Uh the kids and staff did an amazing job there. It's been fun bopping around the different athletic events and just seeing end of the year senior nights, things kind of coming to closure with that. Many of our buildings have end of the year compound. So if we go to our elementary right now, there's a lot of a toz compound downs and kindergarten and first grade.

030Uh today was kickball day, which is quite exciting. I tried to help my son prepare for joke day last week, but he didn't want to hear any of my jokes, so I don't know how we did on that. Uh we also started our senior week kickoff. So yesterday we had High School Musical 3 on the big screen which kudos to Miss King, Miss Kirby, and Miss Holland who spent a lot of time yesterday making sure that the technology was set up appropriately. Uh it sounded like it was a great event. It was wonderful. This morning, if you had the pleasure of being at Dexter High School, you maybe saw and interacted with some really cute pets that made an appearance before school today. Uh we we got to tell a lot of students to take

031those beautiful animals back home. They didn't need to be at school for the day. Uh but fun tradition of students bringing their pets to meet each other at school before school starts. And then looking forward to what the rest of the week brings for our seniors. And finally to our senior Claire. Uh Claire, thank you so much. I know this is your last meeting with us. And just want to say I know that at least we'll have a few words as well, but a real thank you. Thank you for giving up your Monday nights. There aren't many students that would raise their hand and say, "Hey, I'm happy to spend my 7 to 9:00 pm, sometimes 11 pms with this group of individuals, but know that your energy, your voice has mattered, and we really

032enjoy appreciate you being part of this board." So, thank you. >> That's all I have. >> Um, I just want to let everyone know that I did and Brian as well participate in the WSB legislative breakfast this morning. Um, we did have representation from the House, the Senate, um, and a representative from Debbie Dingle's office. Um, we got a chance to talk about the state budget a little bit. We had a chance to weigh in on some of our favorite top categoricals. Um, and uh, I had an opportunity to share some of my own opinions with them, which we're going to get up at 7:30 for a morning for a meeting I feel like is a valid thing to do. Um so we passed along some of our our common concerns from here. Um Claire,

033I also want to say thank you to you. I think we are and I know from sitting on the county uh schoolboard association that we are very unique investor to be able to have the tradition of student representation, our rotation of juniors to seniors. Um, we are we are very lucky to have that student voice at our board table. And I know that some of our counterparts in neighboring districts don't really understand how we kind of make it happen and we don't really understand how it's not an thing. But I think part of it is just because um we have such dedicated representatives who do so much work to bring um the opinions and voice here. And I know you guys really did step up this year to try and do some additional steps. So,

034thank you for all your work on that. And as for board, we are really looking forward to seeing what you do next. And I know I've had a chance to know you for a little while and the tennis courts and everything. And so, we wish you the best and have a wonderful graduation. So, >> thank you. >> And with that, I will turn it over to our wonderful student representatives. >> I'll start off with some simple stuff. Um tennis team is going to state tonight 6. Um we worked very hard. It was a very very cold day. Um but we made it through. We made it through. We started indoors. Um and then it got switched back to outdoors and then we had to switch from one to from two schools to one school. Um

035but by 7:00 we had the Dexter made it. Um, but again, it's always great to host um, regions at Dexter and I think it's great that we've been able to continue to do that and show other schools how dedicated we are to just showing them sportsmanship and just running a nice event where everyone can have fun and really good tests. Um, it was senior night for softball. Unfortunately, I do believe that got rained out pretty fast. Hopefully, they'll be able to reschedu, but I believe that might have been one of the last senior nights. All the spring sports are kind of heading into playoff season. I know lacrosse is working on um making it to regionals and they're working hard for that. Um but yeah, all the seniors are saying goodbye and having their last

036kind of bra and all their sports and it's nice to see. Um like it was mentioned um every day this week starting on Sunday there's different stuff going on for seniors. I just want to say thank you to Miss Cricket. She's our teacher adviser this year and she's put a lot of work into making sure it's really memorable for us. So, there's the movie night. Um there's also there's recess um during all the lunches today at school. There is scavenger hunts going on. Um but yeah, it's and the clap out is Thursday, so we'll be going around to all the schools. I'm very excited for that and I'm glad that's become a tradition. Um, and obviously I just I want to say thank you to all of you guys for having such an amazing opportunity.

037Um, I never knew like starting freshman year that this would be something I could do, but I've gotten to learn so many amazing things. It doesn't matter if it goes to 9 or to 11. Um, it's been so interesting hearing all the different presentations, hearing all the different community input and I may be inspired one day in my future to try to sit in one of your positions and keep kind of expressing my voice. So, thank you for the opportunity. >> Yeah, I got a lot of stuff to do. >> I do want to say thank you to Claire. Everything I know is from her. I'm gonna be very sad when I have to answer the new student representatives questions and I can't ask player questions but they can still be clear girls lacks they

038were going to play in the first round of playoffs tonight did not happen just as softball the I don't know if any of you have seen the dugout is flooded it is a lake um very unfortunate I'm sure both of those will get postponed this Monday the marching band will play in the Memorial Day parade very excited um we'll be intrigued to see how that goes with Main Street becoming closed, but that will be happening. Prom is on Friday. Very exciting. Tickets have been on sale all week on Elio and Cass and Jack and his buckler's room and during lunch. Believe there's an orchestra concert this week. Marching band, our new drum major cycle is happening. So, we'll have new drum majors by the end of next week, I think. And our whole new band

039leadership team. Move up day is next month, June on the 4th, where the eighth graders will come up and a bunch I think there's maybe a hundred move up day as Mr. do- calls and ambassadors this year. Um, so that's always fun. I get to give a presentation in the CPA. That's very exciting. And the forensics team went to Meno Island this weekend. The girls on the forensics team went to Macau Island this weekend. I did not go. Ivy, Francis, and Carly Gramling both plays very well in their bet. It's got some trophies. Represented Dexter well. And there were only, I think, six of us there. So very busy, very bittersweet that high school is ending, but later we're getting summer's almost there. High school is just that's all I got. >> Thank you very

040much. Okay, we will move over to consent items. Uh we have a resignation and a relief. >> I'll move the board of education approve the consent items in bulk. >> I'll second that motion. >> You have a motion and a second. Any discussion? All those in favor of approving the consent items at all, please say I. >> I. >> Any opposed? All right, moving on to action items. We have a list tonight. >> First up, um, board goals. On May 4th, 2026, the board and superintendent Rutder discussed district goals for the 2026 2027 school year. Do we have a motion? I'll move that the board of education approve the attached superintendent goals for 2627 school year. >> I'll second. >> We have a motion and a second. Any discussion? >> I do your school here

041like by same size economics status for Washington County. We've seen different ways that it can be compared to a do well, but I'm just >> Yeah, we always give you not only compared against WISD, schools, locals, but also comparable socioeconomic size, uh, demographics. So, we've tried to present in both ways for you and then making that a uh comprehensive cure. And I will just note that uh frequently the board does three-year goals but considering the turnover of leadership um we have sort of kept the initial goals uh the same continuing from last time made some adjustments and just giving this new uh leadership team and board time to sort of adjust before we look at a a broader uh time period. All right. Uh any other discussion? Um this is an action item. Sorry. Hope

042we're really going to work here tonight. Can we do a roll call vote, please? >> Mr. Albreight. >> Hi. >> Mrs. Berley. >> Hi. >> Mr. Tola. >> Hi. >> Miss Kangas. >> Hi. >> Mr. Pisano. >> Hi. >> Mrs. Riser. >> Hi. >> Mrs. Sera. >> Hi. >> Thank you. All right. Second. We have the bone tray densifier. Um, we just had a wonderful presentation um explaining of what is being presented to us. We have a motion. I'll move that the board of education approve the purchase of one Spyro Genie SG-1200 and three SC-2 tray stackers from Food Service Sustainability Solutions for a total price not to exceed $29,450 including delivery installation and training with money coming from the food service fund as approved by the Michigan Department of Education under the excess fund

043balance plan. Okay. >> Great. You have a motion, a second. Questions? Is there a is there any contingency? >> Is there a contingency for class or anything? Normally we filled in something like 10%. >> Um, no I didn't have contingency. That is just for the equipment itself. the additional cost of the um the electrical and fencing separate that also be service funds and also including approved access funded by who is commissioner. >> So the 29450 is for the unit installation and then trading manual. That's it. Yes. Okay. questions about that. Jonathan did that. >> She already did that. Sorry. Okay. >> All right. Um All right. Are we ready to vote then? >> All right. Thank you for >> Mrs. B. I >> Mr. Sepola. >> Hi. >> Miss Kangas. Hi. Mr. Pisano. >> Hi.

044>> Mr. Riser. >> Hi, Mrs. Hi. >> Mr. Alre. >> Hi. >> All right. Thank you everyone. Um, next up are policies 6424 and 3308. Our packet includes a copy of policy 6424 purchasing cards with a minor deletion. This is presented for action this evening. The packet also contains policy 3308 advertising. This policy was presented for first reading at the regular board meeting on March 9th, 2026 and was tabled due to revision requests. On May 5th, the policy committee discussed the policy and made edits in line with trustee questions and concerns at the first reading. And this policy is presented for second reading and final approval this evening. >> I move that the board of education approve policy 6424 and 3308 for first reading and final approval. >> I would second the motion. >> Let

045me just clarify. Does it matter if it's first reading or second reading? >> No, sorry. that um >> I didn't know. >> Yeah, one of them is first. >> Well, we made some edits the first reading. Let me give it approve the first reading. >> Okay. >> So, it's technically the first, right? >> Yes. >> Thank you for clarifying. >> Sorry. Thank you. >> So, do we have a motion? Did you have a second? >> Yes. Thank you. Um, questions and discussion >> freely. >> Yep. >> I one question I have is is there a disconnect between the second paragraph last line where it says express written approval of superintendent and the board or designate? No, no issue with that. But then on the next page of guidelines number B, this said for approval of

046the board. Doesn't say anything about the superintendent or or designate. But then in O said the board is left out and P just says superintendent design is responsible etc etc. They get that maybe for screening. My question is is a board approving this or is it just superintendent designate or superintendent reviews it first and then sends it to the board? I think that's not to me that's not clear or to be clear that's it could be either way. So because it says superintendent or designate and so that's where you go to the next part where as in there's different levels of obviously you can see with >> you know like a a permanent or a semi-permanent that's higher level. So we we definitely wanted to put that a little bit higher and then with O

047you know kind of the same thing if that makes sense. most of the two did this. Does that answer your question? essentially like actually I don't think O isn't really addressing who will approve the it just it explains essentially explains that we're not taking corporate sponsors >> and that's a prohibition so to speak >> so anything longer is supposed to work >> right nothing six months >> I think >> so for an athletics who's in some place if it's just the said that but require and we talked about that a lot as as we all know we can think about some area of yeah of the of the district right now that has a sign up but it will be down in a few months right because there's certain athletics that happen and things of

048that nature. So, we didn't want to frost it completely knowing that those there are some common practices that are happening in. But, we did definitely want to be mindful about having some rules and regulations that the district can enforce and follow when people ask and we have something to point to. >> Okay. So, we still don't have as far as I know the naming policy or is that something totally different and we actually do have a separate policy for that. It's just not this is an advertising more flashing of pan I guess. So, >> yeah. And I would just note we discussed the general advertising guidelines, you know, the A through R. They are extensive, but they they replicate what we currently have. So, while we considered reducing them, we also thought there was no

049harm in leaving them in because it was a current expectation. And so it gave people just general guidelines which are separate from an approval process or you know the superintendent or the board or whatever saying a or a it just gives people guidelines. Does that make sense? The only I'm sorry just I was just looking at that um samples how between samples and donations. I'm specifically looking at personal hygiene products. I've been thinking about have personal hygiene products in the bathrooms are available. So they were donating the I mean I'm just curious about that. Well, that's why we wanted to have the general it needs with express because we need to have some sort of >> Well, this is allowed. It would be fine >> as long as it as long as it correct. I

050would say the there's the last sentence of the definition of advertising basically says look if a product has the brand name on it because it's the product and that's the brand name then that's that's not considered advertisement. I think that's >> I think that might address that. >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. >> Right. I mean, we have a lot of selling Gatorade at, you know, at lunch doesn't mean that we're having Gatorade at tax level. >> Right. Right. And boy, we love that money, but that's just not going to happen. >> Other questions? Okay, let's vote. Mr. Mr. >> Hi, >> Miss Pandas. >> Hi, >> Mr. Pisano. >> Hi, >> Mr. Riser. >> Hi, >> Mr. Hi, >> Mr. Alre. >> I >> All right. Next up is the WISD budget. Our packet includes the

051WISD proposed 2026 2027 general and special ed budgets as well as draft resolutions. Local districts must consider a resolution of support for or disapproval of the proposed general fund budget and may indicate specific recommendations for consideration for changes by Monday, June 1st. This item was discussed on May 4th and it's presented tonight for action. >> I'll move that the board of education adopt the attached resolution in support of the WISD 2026 general special education budget. Second, we have a motion and a second. Any discussion? Okay. Miss Kangas, Mr. Pazano, >> Mrs. Riser, >> Mrs. Zera. >> Hi, >> Mr. Oliver. Hi, >> Mrs. Burgerley. Hi, Mr. Hi. >> All right. Next up, Challenger Field. Our packet includes a recommendation and bin tabulation from Ranger Construction regarding series 1 bid package three WY Challenger Field Reconstruction.

052The item was reviewed by the facilities committee on May 12th, 2026. >> I'll move that the board of education award the Challenger field reconstruction project to Star Trek Enterprise for a total amount not to exceed 240,000 and assign the contract to Ranger for Management. I second that motion. >> Okay, we have a motion and a second. Any discussion? If you remember with the new addition at WY, there is the need to uh shave just a few feet of challenger field while we're doing it. It also makes sense that that playing service has seen its better days and we have an opportunity to resurface challenger field. So you we're moving that third base foul line in a little bit. Uh field will be very comparable, very similar dimension, but it'll allow for appropriate sizing for the

053seven additional classes to come in. While we're in there, we'll resurface John Field and Greg can answer any resurfacing questions you may have. >> So, the bid came in almost double what we estimated. >> It came in nowhere under >> under the 280,000. >> Okay. Reading that backwards. >> Is this the only bid we got? I will receive two business. >> Oh, there's the other one. I see it. That 327,000. Got it. Thank you. >> Yes. >> Any other questions on the field? >> All right. Let's do a roll vote. >> Mr. Pano. >> Hi. >> Mrs. Riser. Hi. Mrs. Zumera. >> Hi, >> Mr. Hollibé. >> Hi, >> Mr. Burley. >> Hi, >> Mr. Sabola. >> Hi, M. >> Hi. >> All right. Next up is the fieldhouse. Our packet includes a recommendation and

054bid population from Grinder Construction regarding series 1's packet for field house. And this item was also reviewed by facilities on May 12th. I move that board of education award series 1 bid package for fieldhouse contracts as outlined in the attach recommendation letter and assign contracts to grind for management. >> I'll second. We have a motion and a second discussion. I mean just a reminder some of these items that are coming in front of you say are the lingering bid categories where we didn't have an adequate number of bids where there was follow-up questions that Granger had to work with contractors to see clarity. So majority projects this board has already approved these are the last few bid categories. Uh you'll see on the fieldhouse great news well under where we thought we would be. Uh,

055so the total bid package for the estimate was about $5.3 million under the estimate which is just terrific. So again, Grers's doing a great job of getting out there all in the number of contractors and he's giving great coverage on all of our bids. Greg, anything you want to highlight and field house? Uh so this was the site work uh for the most part and then also the athletic equipment includes the uh all the nets on the inside throwing cages cages both the track field throwing cages and the baseball softball throwing cages. Uh it also includes the long jump uh pit t catchers pads, the pole ball uh pads and uprightes uh includes the volleyball inserts, the wrestling mats. I mean all of the different athletic equipment necessary to support all the um uh sports

056that will be going on in the uh fieldhouse. So that is a a very large uh athletic equipment package that's in here. And then as mentioned all the site work that was um just a little bit behind on on design and that's why it's all together bit separately here. So um this along with what you'll see as Brian just mentioned everything here uh this is we're making construction bids. All that's really left for this summer is technology that's bringing a grip um later in June. Everything else is now bit out today. >> Okay. Thank you. Any other questions on this? >> I have a question on the last sentence of your of your summary. It says total bid package four versus budget variance 392 over budget. What is that? >> That is the total value

057of all recommended bid categories was 19,467209 versus the do budget of 19,75,000. That's that difference. >> 19075 which is numbers right? Uh just like >> second bullet 19 the second bullet fourth bullet the difference was >> oh I see >> too.7 190 no 19.4us Mine was 1907. >> Yeah. I see. >> Okay. All right. And then the summary here 195, but okay. Looks good. Thank you. >> All right. Uh let's do this one. Thank you. Got it. All right. Perfect. Thank you, Mrs. Riser. >> Hi, Mrs. >> Hi, Mr. Alre. Mrs. Brewley. >> Hi, >> Mr. Safa. >> Hi, >> Miss Kangas. Hi, >> Mr. Hi. >> All right. Next up is the high school editions. Our our packet includes recommendation letter and bid tabulation from Grand Construction for series 1 bid package six partial

058bid package six for the high school editions. And this was also reviewed by facilities on move that the board of education award series 1 bid package six partial as outlined in the attached recommendation letter and assign the contracts to grant Ranger for management. >> I'll second. We have a motion and a second. Let's discuss. >> So these were two bits that virtually have had for quite a while, but there's there's some future models who needed to do some figure out what did they have the complete scope or not. You see that we are recommending the second bit on electrical because the the low bidder did have to be fit. It's by several hundred,000 sponsor accept the contract forward. So u so we have uh we have them to get through the entire uh with TFP

059feel comfortable recommend both these contracts. was supposed to complete the again everything except technology contract construction contracts for the additions of the next school. This is both the front and the um CT edition. >> Yeah. >> Any questions on this place? >> What job is this? So this is I believe their third contact us. >> All right, let's move to vote. >> Mrs. Ever Mrs. Burley. Hi Mr. Sola. Hi Miss Kang. Hi Mr. Hi Mr. Roer. Hi All right, next up is the WY roof replacement. Our packet includes a recommendation with Fitz Foundation from Green Construction regarding series 1 B package 7 W replacement. This item was reviewed by facilities on May 12th. Also that the board of education award series 1 bif package 7 wy roof replacement to KJC's moving for a total amount

060not to exceed $569,500 and assigned to the contract and second that motion. We have a motion and a second and discussion. This is replacing about half of the roof wing. Um that was we did a roof study about three years ago now for the entire district. Um and that was part of our overall facility study for Wisconsin that u recommended where needed to be replaced or anything. So this is important that fell under that. Um we we took here end of the high school. We asked people to price doing it this summer and next summer. We thought because of how they were in the cycle that some people might not be able to do it this summer. KJP Group had a hole up in their schedule. They lost the job they thought they were going

061to have. So, they went after this one a little aggressively and got uh they were low on growth. Um so, um they are able to do it this summer. uh work will be complete while students are out uh which is necessary the um this is over a lot of classrooms so widely at the high school it's the gym itself it's the replacement um the uh estimate number this originally talked about just uh adding a layer of uh basically the new rubber over the top that's why the estimate looks so much lower the bid. Uh the bid includes uh some insulation replacement but also protection board uh and um new sheet metal flashing as well. So it's important still that's the new way to um estimate the actual bid but still under the budget so we'll

062be able to do the remainder later on in the questions. So, I'm sorry, Greg. Did you say do the remainder of the viol? Yes. >> You just do it all. >> The this bond goes on for so long. You don't need to do the rest of them now, but you still have five plus useful years. >> Any other questions on the roof? Okay, we can vote. Mr. Oliver, >> Mrs. Burgley, >> hi. >> Mr. Sola, >> Hi, Mazano. >> Hi, >> Mrs. Riser. >> I Hey, our high school roof replacement. Our includes recommendation tabulation from pre-ind regarding series 1 package 7 high school roof replacement. The item was reviewed by facilities on May 12th. I move that the board of education award series 1 bid package 7 high school growth replacement to KJP roofing for

063a total amount not to exceed $242,575 in the signing contract. >> I'll second we have a motion and a second discussion. So very similar to what I just said, you'll see that West who we have listed the second doesn't have a bid and they were only able to do it next summer. Uh it would be second if they did it next year. So that's why they don't have for the base because they were performant this year. Uh this is the gym itself just that uh barrel roof over the gym um using contingency dollars not part of this but will be replacing over the chemical storage room of the pool. It's a very small area, but the uh asset is kind of eaten away at the structure already. So, we're going to be replacing that, but

064that'll require a little more investigation park. So, that's be part of this project. It's still be reviewed gone itself will be done this by summer. Uh the only people that'll be in the gym area are iron road. Make sure they're not underneath. Even though they are, it's been noise and they're pretty well themselves. We're working out. >> Any questions? >> So on the variance here, um you said the scope was a little bit different. Our budget scope was a little bit different. Are we going to have a mechanism to actually make that variance a little bit more like in tune to what reality is the scope change? We're kind of, you know, having those numbers being so far off. >> Um, >> and the whole project scope as we move forward. Yes. the same. These

065roof two projects uh were changing kind of up until the last time, >> but because if we roll it, you know, the 59% variance into it, it makes it look better than really what it is. >> Yes. Uh we'll as we move forward, uh talk about series three and four work that he's told. know a little more uh I won't say more thoughtful precise on what the scope is going to be because we're going to be picking and choose exact scope based on >> anyone else. Hi >> Mr. Sabus. >> Hi Miss Kangas. Mr. Pazot, >> Mrs. Diser, >> hi >> Mrs. Aera. >> Hi, >> Mr. Al. >> All right. Thank you very much to Granger. >> Great. >> Last action item, everyone. 31A. Uh 31A is a state of Michigan grant of funding

066for student safety and mental health. on December 3rd, 2025. On April 13th, 1996, the board discussed concerns about new stipulations for districts that accept the funding. Um, in December, Dexter had opted out of receiving these funds due to a technical error with the state's gems submission software. However, Dexter remained opted in um in spite of screenshots indicating the district had successfully opted out by the deadline. districts attorneys have been unsuccessful in persuading persuading the state to opt out and of oh my goodness has been unsuccessful in persuading the state to opt the district out as intended and because many districts opted out the original Dexter original projected allocation of 30 360,000 has increased to a total of 1,234,000 there. This item is presented for action tonight and we put three potential motions um in our

067notes and obviously uh or members can make whatever motion they wish. So let's get a motion on the table and then we can discuss. Move the board. Hello. Go ahead. The board moves to accept and retain Spaceful Aid Act section 31A funding under MCL 388.1631A acknowledging that the district has been advised by the Michigan Department of Education that is subject to the conditions associated with such funding, including the requirements applicable in the event of a world mass casualty event. End quote. The board intends that any waiver or disclosure obligation associated with such funding be interpreted and applied as narrowly as permitted by law as outlined in Mcome Intermediate School District versus the state of Michigan Department of Education Court of Appeals opinion number 378748 that was published this year April 10th 206. I'll second. We

068have a motion and a second discussion. >> Yeah, I'm not a lawyer. I I like option one. So I think first when I start this language in here, start boxing ourselves into this a narrower definition and I like when they came out with the wording, I thought they explained it good enough that we have enough flexibility. I think and we'll take it anyways. So I like this to keep it very simple. option one giving us more I call maneuver space though again I'm not a lawyer but I don't like us I think box myself into that very now we're make it narrow um we're definitely already a case law we want to use I think you got to go to Portland use a law versus kept it open not sure what would not important The

069way the way I break it one is we're not we're not um giving any reservations and waving our w the waiver obligation that's in the >> I understand I understand what you're saying. I think we're so we're so specific that we're narrowing our options if we ever wanted to we want to have a a legal firm take you know by our behalf. It's almost the opposite of what you're saying. Yeah. If you're saying it's it's you don't have any reservations right now. Like the one in the middle kind of gives us that reservation where we're talking about as narrowly permitted by law. Um and then you know citing the case law. So we are giving ourselves some some you know against future whatever. What thoughts do other people have here? >> I I tend to

070agree with what Dan is saying in that I don't think we I completely get what we're trying to do with the additional language. I think by not saying those things though, we're also not closing those doors. Um, you know, so by not reserving it, we don't give up the ability, you know, reserving it by saying it here. we don't give up the ability to make those same arguments later. We may create something that we have to we may create another hurdle we have to jump over later. I I see I see fairly little risk of that. I I'm I'm honestly okay with any of the motions on on the option set. Um I think there's fairly little practical difference that comes from any of them at the end of the day. I mean, I think

071I I I look at it this way. If it ever does become an issue, I I think there is a low probability of that. But if it does and you go back and look like you accepted the funds, period, you accepted them. But I think option two says we accept these funds acknowledging that acknowledging that we initially declined the funds like we didn't want the funds because we didn't want to wave this attorney client privilege. So I think option two just is like we're accepting them acknowledging that there's sort of this issue with the law in the statute. The the case law verifies it. I don't think it like binds us to anything. And again, hopefully it should never become an issue, right? That's the only reason I was I was moving to use option

072two. It just acknowledges sort of the history of our district and and not wanting the funds and and the discussions that we've had um about this. And I think it recognizes what the court of appeals recognized in the case law that you're not giving up the fall all attorney client privilege. >> Yeah. >> I I mean I I hear I hear what Dan saying. I mean sometimes when we we try to narrowly define something there's unintended consequences or there's something that we don't foresee. And so sometimes I hear what like I think that's good advice to try to make things as broad as possible. I do agree that case of you know I think that we we've determined that if we were to wait privilege our devices but that it would be time bound and

073study bound. So um that's that that makes me comfortable. Um, that said, I've kind of I'm okay with one or two, but I do think that having uh less restrictions or less parameters around something allows you to avoid unintended consequences. >> Did you have I think that if we don't say a little bit more than just the one sentence, I I I I think that we don't announce the struggle that this district has had with this. the fact that we had a plan and but for the technological difficulty we wouldn't be talking about this. >> Um so I think that we need a little bit more than just one sentence only because of that because I think that we need to be covered on it if that makes sense. Yeah. Although I will say that

074if we had known on the offset outset what we know now about the case law and about clarification we would also not discussion we would have said to the court. So I I mean I think that's where I don't know maybe it would have but I it would have it would have impacted my opinion earlier on I had concerns have been ventilated. an option too, but you don't you don't even say in there >> we didn't want to take the phone. >> It's not really about take money to take the >> No, no, no, but we if I hear you correctly, you're saying that we were saying we weren't going to take the money if we were tied to these certain conditions we reject, >> right? We were going to reject it. They said we

075were going to reject it. >> We were tied to this we don't like now and we were forced to accept it. may not you know >> I think that's an important thing I agree but we're not saying that in here >> we are where do we reject where does it say we rejected the >> it no no no that's not what we're saying >> well we wanted to reject it and then we forced it to take this >> the board intends that any waiver disclosure obligation associated with the funding be interpreted or applied as narrowly by law that means that like it's it's tight as it can be right like >> that we intend we are putting forth what we intend for this way of it to be. That way if it's ever challenged, we

076can point to something other than oh yeah, we just accept it. >> Yeah, that might play. >> So she added that. She added that. >> Yeah, I saw I saw that. Okay, but >> I guess I just want to remind people I think the one thing that has caused me a little bit of pause in terms of what do we add or not add to this motion is that we have the opportunity to weigh in formally in the fall and we chose not to do that. And that did impact our ability to negotiate with the state about what happened with Bonnie afterwards. And so I like the idea of being very clear about where the board stands right now. I am not wed into any particular language or not. Though I do think personally that

077we need something more than a single statement saying that we accepted because we didn't realize we were going to be I I guess held up because we didn't have anything on record with the board whereas other districts did have things on record. >> Okay. >> So I guess I just want to be careful and thoughtful and record our intention accurately. >> Okay. Then then that's option three where it said the board previously sought to opt out. That that's what I'm trying to say is that if you're going to go that much different number two we were going to opt out why not just go the whole I mean I I person but I'll probably sustain it here but the say at number three that's what you're saying but we're not saying at number two. >>

078I mean I again I'm not I just don't get the difference between >> yeah I don't think >> going all in or going going basic. For me, I again if I went if I again I like to have my lawyers to have the flexibility to use where they want. It's all out there in our in our meetings anyways and somewhere in there open meetings to pull from and then but then we're kind of picking the middle ground which you know like oh we >> I mean the other the other point about me uh with with option two is that that phrase narrowly as permitted by law that was specifically stated in the case law with Mcome County that that's what they're saying they're they're defining it down so there's no more question about being, you

079know, have waving our privilege for for perpetuity. There's um there's an end cycle. There's a limited scope. All those things were defined in the court of appeals decision. So that's what that that means when you when you're saying that you're tying it directly to the court of appeals decision as a lawyer is a case law case law. So it's already out there for us to go off, >> right? And the case law that case law as written is going to be far more powerful than anything any motion written. but doesn't honestly like I think we're not acknowledge it as a part that we've done our research and we're doing what we think is the best for the for the community right >> and for our our school district. So I I think that's why it

080would be maybe it certainly is has more weight than whatever we're arguing or if we ever get into a battle but we we have an obligation to this district and to this community and we need to kind of show that we've done our due diligence. So is this option not for the legal move just being legal? >> It for legal and and we're saying like we're we look at the case that's what we're intending if if this if we're have to accept this now can't really reject it. So I will say to Dan's point if we are trying to completely get on the record he is correct. The second sentence of option three is a critical piece of information about Dexter, meaning that we were told we must keep this money and we are now

081subject to these uh conditions and we didn't choose to. So we I I guess I'm suggesting potentially we insert that sentence and does that help explain and I know it makes it a really long quotient which people hate but >> yeah I just don't like the kind of inflammatory language used in number three. >> It's just it's almost like you're fighting this right there. >> If you if you just take that second sentence is what I'm saying that just explains Dempster's situation saying that we sought to opt out. We were advised that we are nevertheless subject to statutory conditions. >> Therefore, we're electing to retain the funding. >> I mean, I know it's wrong, but I I >> can't very help to quality, right? So then what are we retaining >> the money? Yeah, >>

082you're not making it backion. >> You already have it, I guess. So what would our options be that it's going to be back to state? >> Um >> I thought the other option would be to hold. So right now what's in front of us is are we've already are these these options these motions and um we discussed them at the last board map meeting. No, he's in it. No, no, these are the options in front of them. >> So, >> we need to make a decision about how we would like the district to move forward with the money and >> because we have it because we have it >> and so we need to give the direction for our CFO so that she can understand >> another option another option could be to hold the

083answer no >> and not and not spend it or something else. And so this is clearly stating that we will keep the money. That's what this is that's what they are. That's what I'm saying. That's not really what we're talking about here anymore. >> Well, but so just to be clear, board members do not have to vote for this motion. This is these are optional motions to help board members who don't write these kind of motions. Um and so there is a motion on the table. We are now discussing whether as a group that's the motion we want to move forward with or whether we want to amend it with any of the discussion items that we are all bringing up. And when we move to vote, board members can choose to not vote for

084this motion which provides the direction. So in the event that not enough people uh vote to pass the motion, the money will hold until we have a new plan for a new direction, new motion. This is the one on the table. >> Is there any harm in picking up the words and retain the the board moves to accept states? You would remove and retain because you're accepting it and you have to retain it and which to spend it. You've accepted to keep the two out here being made for ourselves. That's just my personal opinion about like just to clarify because I think I think when we last about this it falls the the board did not take any official action in the fall. Right. Correct. And we don't have to take any action now. This

085is something supernet and CFO could choose to act on. >> Yes, they could. >> So what we're doing is a preemptive statement of support for that action. Um, and so I think this gets to the retain and accept and you know how we word that >> the >> right the advice was if we're going to accept and retain money that there be a form of motion going. >> So we're putting out there why we're doing it and how we're doing it. I think given where we are >> would be important that there's some sort of board action to support whatever >> whatever decision we make >> because we're we're giving and we are making a decision on something that we wouldn't >> like we don't have to make a decision on. So I think it's

086just the >> making it clear and then we giving the district the clarity to operate on it. >> Right. And that's why I think, you know, the motion that Amy has brought forth is is essentially saying here's what we're doing and why and under what bounds >> and and you know, we can keep >> Yeah, I'm ready. So, I may not be able to make it more soon. >> Can I cl get the clarification on the additional citation at the end of action? >> Yeah. as outlined in the home intermediate school district versus state of Michigan, state of Michigan Department of Education. Court of Appeals number 378 that was published April 10th, 2006. 378748. >> Okay. So, we've had I'm going to just regroup us here. We've had this motion. It is on the table.

087It's been seconded. We've had some discussion about things to add or subtract. How are we sort of at consensus to move forward with this motion or amend it in any way? Okay. All right. There's a vote. >> Mr. Sepola. >> Hi. >> Miss Kangas. >> Hi. >> Mr. Pisano. >> Hi. >> Mrs. Ryder. >> Hi. >> Mrs. Aera. >> Hi. >> Mr. Alre. >> No. >> Mrs. Bubery. >> Hi. Okay, thank you everyone and thank you to the district for continuing your work on all of this. >> All right, next up we are moving on to discussion. First up is the 2026 2027 budget. The finance committee met on Friday to discuss the budget and I see we have CMO here. Um I can't believe that it's May already and we're talking about the 2027.

088So as you know the state of Michigan requires that we pass a budget um prior to the last fiscal year. Um so that's we're talking about it now. Uh usually what happens since the state gives us no direction and we have to come up with our own assumption for a safe bet that we expect to have it next year. Uh last year we uh we passed a budget in June of fiscal year 26 and we finally got a state budget. So it's really really large. Dexter has a fantastic process that was that I've inherited which I do appreciate is that we talk about these things. We talk about the major budget assumptions and the budget parameters well in advance. Uh we you know the superintendent and I come up with of ideas. Uh we present

089those to the finance committee. Uh we have a deep discussion about it. uh they make a recommendation and then we can come up to you uh the full board to uh uh so that's why we're here today. Uh but there is a lot of talk in that the new superintendent and the state superintendent is really really pushing the balance budget done by July um which would be fantastic but I do want to note that once we make these decisions here um at Dexter kind of concept we don't really go back um so it's really hard process to stop and restart. So, I do want to talk about that, but you know, we can talk to this budget necessarily. It's already May 18th. Uh, we'll continue I'll continue preparing the budget. Um, and to, you know,

090kind of keep an eye on any major changes. Um, if the budget passes before July, it's going to be hard to evaluate something that big so quickly to change direction that we just kind of want to make sure that that's a good understanding. So there's two major drivers um in our budget that we talked about finance committee media last Friday. Uh one is foundation allowance estimates. So that's the foundation allowance state. Um there's always an conversation because it can go up and it can go down. What is the government proposing? What is the house? What is the senate? And this year uh and really big surprise that they've all agreed. Uh so we don't really have to make a large determination. we don't have but different analysis some kind of wild idea on why we

091think it is going to be a certain number so each of the budgets about June uh provide an estimated 2 foundation so we talked about that at finance committee and that's the recommendation that I move forward to prepare the fiscal year 27 budget using that foundation allowance estimate now just because they all agree today does not mean that they will all agree when this is done but that's the best information we have at this time to move forward Uh the other driver uh is student. So that's a discussion as well. Um I know we talked about this in the past. Uh we have historical data that runs. Uh we have a third party independent um enrollment study that we uh that taken into consideration when thinking about um what we expect our student count to

092be for next year as well as new enrollments, right? Seniors are outgoing, kindergarters are incoming. What does that look like? Uh so this year Ryan and I Ryan developed a u of about 3,300 students. So we talked through that in finance for me and we I would like to move forward um with preparing the budget next year for those students. >> Sorry that >> what does that student count represent as compared to this past year? >> I think it was 12. I lost about loss of 12. >> Yeah. and it could be a little conservative and I think we're really happy to have it be conservative but trends we're seeing around the state our student counts are deeply right we this is something we're seeing with birth rates with enrollment patterns uh we took a

093blended formula between our middle cities and our enrollment trends and we tried to meet the middle to what we believe is a pretty accurate conservative approach uh if we're get a flux of kids coming to us this summer terrific that'd be wonderful news and it'll be a different conversation this fall uh but we want to move forward with the projection that we currently have. We think it's going to be a nice representation, accurate representation of what this fall will look like in the next. >> So remember the November or December budget revision whenever we get enough information to bring that back to you, we'll have that true fall student count. So we'll update the budget at that budget parameter at that time. >> I just have a curiosity um when we have the estimate for

094how many students is that looking at the new construction that is going around? I know this is a conversation we have relatively regularly, but I can remember the >> I think the middle cities analysis does take into account new construction in the area and it looks at different developments. Uh yes, informally we look at new developments going on. That's tricky. I would say I think that there have been developments going up that have provided more students than we anticipated and some far less students than we've anticipated. Uh so we've tried to be again conservative with the estimates to say 100 new houses doesn't necessarily mean 100 new kids or 300 new kids. Uh >> and I think the timing of those developments too is really important. Um because they're starting a development today does not

095mean that we'll have students in our building if those students move into those developments by the fall. Right. Absolutely. >> So um it's it's a very difficult um thing to be. >> Yeah. No, it was more so that if you said, "Oh, they don't consider at all." I say, "Oh, maybe we get a handful." You know, >> you discussed those big. >> Yeah. >> But people are probably if they had to probably school age professional kids and start expensive, but >> yeah, >> you know, they do have better. We discussed that too. We'll see. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the long-term trend is not looking great at this point. Um, but it is what it is and the projections that that Christie is and writing the portfolio seem reasonable. Um so keep an eye on

096it and >> yeah I mean we'll continue to work on the budget you know but then using these parameters um and many major changes um arise um I think we should put that into a budget scenario for the finance to review before we bring the budget to the full board and end um but it would be nice if >> I may even keep up with inflation >> yeah it's a really small really think >> that's small. >> Thank you for >> Thank you. >> Okay, next up um policy 5209. Our packet includes a draft version of updates to policy 5209, student use of wireless communication devices. This was discussed by policy committee on May 5th, 2026. And because options include a more restrictive policy, the committee would like to discuss with the full board prior

097to making suggestions. This item is presented for discussion only this evening. Um, just so you guys know, policy committee also took a field trip to the high school and um opened our doors to meet staff. We had a lot of staff coming and talk with us during the lunch hour. also got to observe an actual lunch hour at the high school because I had a really student. So, it was interesting to see um there is definitely support for more stricter policies. The um the battle is real. I mean, every single day um there are issues with respect to cell phones and we definitely heard the community too as to that. I think the community is even more broad. I mean, if if cell phones would not not completely, but if cell phones were never at

098the schools whatsoever, that would be best for a lot of the parents and kind of the perspective of this policy and to bring it back. Our intention, just so you guys know, is to kind of have something rolling before the end of the school year if possible. That way people are on notice of the change. Um, and as everybody knows, obviously there really is in the deck that's not an issue. Creek Side A WY, it's not really an issue. Creek Side, um, it's stored lockers. I think only a few kids really have them, so not really an issue. Mil Creek, it's supposed to be in the lockers all day. I know that they kind of sneak out towards the end of the day just from personal experience and then it's the high school which is

099its own entity essentially and right now the policy does kind of break it into high school versus everyone else. So, we'd like to hear from you guys about your thoughts and so we can collect all of the information and we >> and just to clarify the um policy options that were included in the packet are trun's new policies that comply with the state law. Um the difference in case you're wondering is that essentially option one and two. Um, one of them says the students are solely responsible for holding on to their device and the other one says the device must be like in a locker or an approved uh holder and then you can choose to exclude lunch and passing time or not. So there's very little variation when you look at the two options.

100So that's why I just wanted to note the differences for you. I think al I would say fundamentally though option one unless you include that del highlighted portion it allows allow cell phones outside it will start posting. >> Yes. >> Whereas option two starts at starts from the point of cell phones are not allowed unless one of these very specific exceptions >> like you can't see them out in the building at all as soon as the school day starts. >> The bell the bell option two bell Correct. >> during school hour versus during instructional time. >> Correct. >> So this is the >> and option one is essentially the law. That is the floor that we that's the minimum I think. >> So option two more restricted. >> Yeah. I would say option one is

101platform. Option two is >> traffic. So, two things that I would just throw out there. Two people to consider and this is just based on the the language of the law too. It is a wireless communications device law. So, this necessarily includes not just cell phones but >> yeah. So, if you read the definition, you know, anything else that can do these things. >> Um, and I I'm noticing from this too, there is I think the law has a art for basic phones. But I don't I don't know if that includes flipfl but I don't see it in the true language here and so we may have to come back to that. And the third thing I would say that the law doesn't also because we've talked a lot about hey how do you actually

102implement this the law requires districts to adopt a policy that talks about enforcement mechanisms and so that's so it is fairly like we we're going to have to you know consider a lot of different aspects here and you know this whole space >> and just to speak to your question David I think their definition of wireless communication device a flip phone would not that definition. So I think that's how I think that's how that's handled. I say we've had opportunity to speak to a number of staff and it's only shared staff who are coming in there seems to be appetite for a little bit more teeth and policy uh battles heard loud and clear and I think as Lloyd and Claire can attest and I think previously shared I think that students too also are

103seeking for a little bit more clarity about what are the rules with cell phones. Uh and while an initial blow may not be thrilled with a cell phone restriction policy, I think with time would understand why the the intended outcome of restricting cell was the overall you guys are doing you know what the we had invited staff to comment. >> Okay. Okay. I heard all about my teachers came up to me a lot. I do have quite a bit to say about this. >> Okay, Dad. I want to hear a story on these kids students. >> From my rough understanding of the high school policy right now, it is kind of option wrong. You can have it launch past your time. No big deal. Class, it's supposed to be away. It's frankly that it's like

104a joke right now. My third hour on an A day, I put my phone in a little box, locked up. I get it. Five minutes left, submit what I have to submit, whatever. fourth hour. Well, they dispute mixed signal to me of >> and every other student that has that of well, you know, don't use it when I have to put it in a box and lock a box. But then, you know, what have I missed in the past? It's just a constant thing. So that's >> I feel like then you're like sure >> that students are binging the second the next hour. So like it's almost like they're going through. >> I mean so many studies have been done especially mainly like social media based but like the addiction is real. It is something

105like the dopamine effect >> like social media even just like block blast. I don't know if you block it's a very fun game. It's like it's just >> it's is a very big issue because some kids and and sometimes I find myself I just cannot get off my phone >> and that's why I look at option two and I'm more interested because option one you know if a student is responsible to hold their phone and if this is a problem that we do expect we do see what is going to stop them to putting in a in a you know side pocket just go back and go on social media that I just I don't not I think that's more of a problem with the law itself. It's just not very narrow, but I think

106option one is just not strict enough or what we want to see. And option two, I do have a little bit of questions. Obviously, the high school is going to be so different next year with all the construction that will be happening on especially the front of the building. Um, I don't know if we would start actually using the lockers that are in the high school. Um, put phones in there. I would assume a lot of upper classmen would just leave their phone in their car and not want to deal with that. But then the question becomes designated by the district to be used for instructional purposes. What does that mean? Does that mean a teacher is like, "Yeah, got to do anything today." Which does happen. Does that mean you can pull out your

107phone? You can take a picture of this. You can get it on Canvas, submit it, good. Put it back away. Where do you put it? You walk across the school and put it in a big phone caddy to have every student's phone. You go find a locker. Do you go back to your base? >> Logistics. >> It is a thing I think needs to go. Obviously, we're not as worried about the deck and wy as we are the high school specifically, but it needs to be a thing that I mean, I don't think my class ever represent users. like it's >> one thing we heard the whole time when we had the community forum were a number of ways that staff are using cell phones and asking students to use cell phones in class that

108the the group really thought long and hard might there be an option that for a similar experience with district provided technology >> right so as something was volunteered as this is the reason why we would use the cell phone in class someone might pose well couldn't you do that on a district provided iPad so if we had a set of iPads, could you do have a comparable experience or could you do something comparable or similar on your Chromebook, right? Uh and for most all of the situations and use cases that came forward, we were able to find a comparable experience on district provided technology. I absolutely agree with Pat. I obviously I love my phone. I don't want my phone to get taken away. But I understand that like if I were to have a

109lab hour or something instead of just going on my phone, I'd actually be able to get work done. So every student in my high school would actually be able to get work done if they're not like you know the entire world in their pocket at all times 247. It's they do I would encourage option two. As much as the student body may disagree with me there, I do think it is best for all of us. Option one is not going to do anything because I see a reality of it's what we have now. It's really strict for the first two weeks and then >> yeah you're leaving it. So >> yeah, you're an interesting you could be as honest as you want. >> The bar down. Well, so I would say I don't think we

110can completely ignore the importance of communication with students because as much as like we would like to say like obvious like like to say that school um designated options can work in the same way at the end of the day I think it is still important that like I think for student safety not so much as like they need their phone on them at all times but in the situation of during passing time between third and fourth for example, they know that they have a ride home. They know that they have practice after school. From my experience, things within just fourth hour can change four times over. And I think there obviously are ways to cut back on like we don't need to be checking from constantly and we can still communicate things like that.

111But completely taking it again the whole bell to belt. I do think it could cause some issues that like especially just with I think some parents may realize they may they could underestimate how much they do truly rely on it for communicating. And when plans suddenly change, it's not always easiest to hop on an email and try to email a school because as much as I know obviously the high school gives you access, you can start emailing outside the district, but I still face troubles where some emails won't come through, some emails won't come out. So I do think that it really would have to be like considered a little deeper and more specific questions would have to be posed to really make people understand if are there can they have a solution to every

112communication problem that may arise if there's absolutely going to be no contact from like 7. Think about it. A student has a meeting, they could be no contact from 7:00 a.m. to 3:00 p.m. That could be very difficult. >> Work sport practices and that's what I would just say, you know, that announcements. I would only expect the fact the fact that people will communicate better and more clearly like hey if you're not there well whatever at the front end because have to plan better and the coach will have to put out better guidance versus oh we'll see what happens I'll let you guys know look at your phones or just put out an announcement out there at the end of the day saying you know we're back at this time it's being cancelled we got

113a school PA system for parents I think there ones most ones are the helicopter parents what they call them that are constantly have to feel like they have to be tethered to their kids and not let their kids grow. Uh, you know, I would think they probably communicate better and start talking to your kids versus just constantly teing them to find out what's just, you know, that's just my personal my personal I never, you know, I never like 360 wherever that is. >> Well, have fun. >> In the old days, >> see you late. Go ahead. In the old days when I was across the street, you had a pay phone. >> Yeah. >> And if your mom wasn't there, you call, you know, push you back up. Um, so I mean there are, you

114know, like I think what people are worried about are things that have become worries, but they really are true worries, you know, because there's a safe place for a certain place. And I think with respect to the supports announcements, um, we were talking about that there's that big thing, the screen right outside of, um, BA's office, but can't we post there's team updates about that, too? There's a couple of different places that could be communicated, but go ahead. >> I would No, I would just say like I think um to make like something like option two as effective as possible so it's not as part of a transition. I think like there needs to be like maybe a series of questions that can be formulated and then posed to community members so that like these

115solutions can be found before the problem. So you're saying more like here's what we're going to do. What are the ways for you to probably troubleshoot this issue frequently ask questions type things that I was student that's like before they leave >> blind parents I mean I I don't know I I kid finally third child graduating I finally got the point that I wasn't supposed to do x y and z like by the third one in her senior year you know you're supposed to call or I can't even remember what now I don't remember but you know you're not supposed to call in after this or you're supposed to send a note or you're not supposed to I don't know. But um so I guess just repeat easy access to answers to questions so that

116people can help themselves and learn how to get but but when when our kids are are at the um Mil Creek, they're not allowed to have no >> any uh phones during that time. So somehow between 9th grade and 12th grade it becomes this mandatory thing and parents and kids don't and and coaches and teachers and everybody starts to rely on this last minute communication style which I don't think is a service to anybody. Um you know when we're going to work we have to be able to plan our days. You have to be able to make deadlines and and set goals and uh communicate in advance. that if if I'm in a meeting all day long and my husband thinks he could call me during the day, like that's not happening, right? Because I

117can't talk to him. Um, so I I can't be accessible 247 um as much as I try. So I think it's a good lesson and I think it's I my my husband's a teacher. It's a constant battle. Kids don't listen. They're they're on their phones. if if the if the school says they're not supposed to be on their phones and he becomes the bad guy to take away the phone and then he's responsible if it gets lost or some you know somebody it's just a mess and so we we need clear rules clear enforcement I don't really like the the language in here that says I like number two first of all I like act two I like the bell the valve even though it's a great it's going to be hard um but I

118I I know there's a lot of districts that are moving away from oneto one technology. And I think that's a that's something I would like to see us do, you know, just have the caddies of of um devices in the room that people can use if they need to and they don't have to be tethered to their device all the time. Um but so the option to the question I have is regarding um this question I think Lloyd just spoke to is permitted by a classroom teacher for lessons specifically academic assignments. I don't think we should do that. I think we should give them devices, not have them be able to access their phone because then, oh, teacher X lets me use it in fourth hour, so I have to take it with me and

119then they're just going to have it all day long. So, I think that should be stricken. Um, I think that this question of school administrators and teachers may confiscate a student's wireless communication. I'd like to see that stronger. I'd like to see that we will take it. >> I don't know. I don't want to get into like a fighting match and like a conflict. So I would I would defer to your um your guidance on that, but I would rather see that we will take it away and so that teachers know that they have the authority to take it versus oh is it is it my job or not? I don't know. I don't want to get in trouble and you know. So those are my thoughts. Appreciate those. >> I think two two followups

120on that one. I think we definitely heard I I agree with the will versus native because I think we heard a lot some teachers about the lawyer you mentioned about the consistency of of applying this and I think I think if you leave it open-ended it just it creates that same situation on the um you know basically a teacher permits it for lesson specific I think that's an exception required by law but I think we can work I'm guessing we'll talk to TR about it I think that doesn't mean it it has to be a personally owned wireless communication device. I think you can, you know, first of all, we could, you know, have a policy that the curriculum doesn't have should require any of these things or we could say this classroom has these

121wireless communication devices. So, if you're an iPad used to, >> right? >> Like with approval of the building admin. So, it could be like lesson specific. You know, I'm coming in and I need to use it for this one thing. But then you know lesson 14 in in the second semester requires that you ask for permission for that day. Now we'll have to talk through that because I know Lisa has very strong feelings about that. Go ahead. Oh, I was just going to say I mean I think as a as a district we can decide how our teachers are using the specific technology. And so if we ask that our classroom teachers not use people's personal devices for something, I think that's something we can say regardless of the law can permit it if the

122teacher says >> the law doesn't differentiate between personally owned and district owned. So I think it >> I just think that I think we will have to include that exception and then in practice through curriculone policy and things like that it becomes not an issue. >> Yeah. One thing that Claire was mentioning that I think we not only have an opportunity but a responsibility is whatever we do we need to educate our community. Sure. >> Right. Because we're drawing a 7 to3 hammer for a 3 to seven day. >> We could limit cell phone during the day but kids are going to have them 24 not 47 but 177 right? Like they're going to have them the rest of this the day. And so we as a community need to have some really serious conversations

123about all of us being on devices all of the time. So whatever we do here I think is terrific. And we also need to educate we need to educate the community about cell phones, devices, addiction, whatever it may be. They I would worry that some poor kid their poor family is going to come home see their kid and he's not going to get off their phone and it'll slowly see the oxygen. they realize that they don't need to be on >> they don't need to be >> that's the goal and I think in three years yeah >> it might be like that >> that'll be worth it >> but and I again I am all for this at the start of the year I was advocating for this it's it is going to hurt a

124lot of students and it is necessary but it is going to be very very very difficult I do want to make sure you all understand that as much as I agree with all of you that we shouldn't be relying on it we shouldn't be relying on these, hey, I know practice is in 10 minutes, but it's going to be here instead of here. That's the way it is. And especially teenagers, they don't like change. And they don't like these like, you know, like something they have light up years and years and years for my class, our entire high school career being taken away. And I think it's we just need to be cautious about it because it is incredibly necessary. And again, I'm all for it. And it's just it worries me a little bit.

125I think it >> and I think what you're saying is they don't you don't know anything else, right? That's how you that's how the students nowadays have been ranked. So that's what they know. Like we know, okay, >> you could use pay phone or some other way to do it. But students don't exist, >> right? >> But um I'm I'm in favor. I think it really needs to be felt about for our students, for our staff, for the students mental health I think is the most important thing. Um, and I think if we work at it, I think we can get there and and by educating and by if this timeline works, if this is something we're going to do, we start talking about it now and so it can be implemented in implemented in

126September. So it's not like just like, oh, hey, you're here one day and tomorrow you can't have your coffee. They know coming back. they start to mentally prepare for it over the summer. >> You want to get all the >> practice. You want to get all the I like going every military been several time change command. It's easier easier to back away than it is to try to >> Exactly. >> you know going later saying about the facts ask questions. They'll mix signals. It'll be easier on the the clear thing from all the teachers that they don't want one teacher being like the hard person but oh Mr. Jewish class cuz he's super slat and he doesn't care and and I think it's almost like you know when I was a kid you changed from

12718 to 21 when you were 18 you could go buy beer the next day when you quit uh for three years and it stopped for a lot of people they thought but at the end of the day probably saved a lot of lives too um but um it's not kind of the same thing but it is the same addiction of the phone so yeah I like to and with maybe some things to clarify you said you know will so so it's not an opt So they don't have to argue. They can say, "Well, I don't have an option." They follow it. If you don't like it, go to principal's office. >> I would argue it's very similar to that. I mean, there's a lot there's a lot of research about there that talks about peer

128pressure and about being able to be a kid and being able to make mistakes and not feeling like you're you're you're filmed and and and you know, being at risk and and bullying and all of the things that we are ar arguing toward, you know, better mental health. And so I do think that the cell phones and the um and and I mean Instagram all we've joined cases here as a board you know um so against uh Instagram and Facebook etc. Um so we know there's research out there. We had the presentation back in 2017 2018, Michigan State University um at Mil Creek talking about the association between cell phones and mental health department. You know, this is not new and we have hoped that it's going to stop. I mean, I'm guilty of it.

129My I bought a cell phone for my daughter when she was in sixth grade. She's great student. She's still a great student. I'm not going to lie. But she tells me if I had a kid, if I had a child, I would not get her a phone until a certain age. And I said, "Well, do you want to give it up?" No. But they know that they that that how the negative impact I know the negative impact on myself and so I would argue pretend that yes it is it is a danger and it is similar you know it's not causing drunk driving but it it is causing many problems. So I feel very good about it. I know it's going to be hard. I do hope that we can get there as a building

130because of of school districts and um you know and it'll be worth it to me. One quick question I do have the top state. Let's like we're all putting them in lockers or phone caps or boxes. Is that districtwide or building specific? >> That's something that >> still needs to talk through. >> Our teacher are actually testing some of those systems. >> But there's there's so many logistical and something that just occurred to me when you said, okay, everyone's phones in their car. That's that's a huge problem. If if people know that there's a there's a parking lot full of cell phones, you know, that's >> right. So, there's so many things we have to think through with this. >> Did an interview last year. Nobody lives on cell phones. >> I mean, I was

131thinking in my mind that like, oh, I don't think they're just going to go in and grab >> that. I that's not going. >> No, >> we're not that stupid. >> I That is good thinking. But that Well, you're assuming this is You're assuming this >> this whole place is littered with cameras. Everybody's too scared to >> Yeah. >> do anything. That's not going to be to your point. There's going to be a lot of logistical >> in the logistic. Will they be You're assuming this is actually something. >> No, we we have to we have to work through. >> Yeah. I'm going to rain on this in all this in um did everyone who is not on policy committee get a chance to speak and provide feedback? >> Yes. >> Okay. I think you

132guys have done a great job giving us a lot of feedback on these policies. Thank you for that. Email us if you have other uh David and Melanie and myself. >> Yeah. >> So let us know. We will take you in a couple weeks. >> Yeah. >> Anything else that John's finding in the middle of the night? >> Yeah. I don't copy. >> Okay. >> All right. We we are going to move on now to our second opportunity for public participation. Is there anyone who would like to address the board? >> I I would budget group about this issue. I just thought I wanted to >> share my thoughts as a parent. I'm Dr. Debbie Beler and I have a a son and a daughter who's a junior inves. And um so for me it's

133this is a very relevant issue and as a parent even today I sent a text to my kids saying hey our times have changed so I need to pick you up earlier than expected meet here do this that and um and they you know I didn't expect them to respond in the middle of you know history class but I knew that class was over they between classes they would be able to see the message and know and everything worked seamlessly. It also saves a call in the office like a lot of parents do use it as form of communication and the office will get bombarded with lots of me relating. In fact, the office if you ask me once if I can text my kid in class to make sure they came to the office

134to pass. So, it was one last call they had to make. So, it's something to think about because that's going to become a logical jam with the the staff that's up there and it's not a lot of people. So, just one more thing to kind of consider and I do think that um there's probably a good middle ground because teachers deserve to be respected. They deserve to be heard and get the full intention of the student during class. That is what they're there for and the students are there to learn. And I totally support you know cell phones during class. Um but I do think that time in between classes and a much time it's personal time for the students that they should be able to use that however they want and you know within

135the real school and and so being able to you know be on their phones if they want or check a message and that type of thing I feel like should be something that you know that would be a great time if a parent has to relay a message they can do that. I know for me personally, my daughter's probably applying to 25 colleges next year and they're probably going to be things where we're trying to get audition slots for different things and I'm going to need to do quick communication and it's going to be very difficult if I can't communicate with her until the entire end of the school day. All the spots going to be filled by then. So, you know, for me, you know, I would love the opportunity to be able to

136just delay a message that is not urgent, but that needs to be, you know, somewhat, you know, within a couple hours of when I know she would check. Um, so that that's just something where, you know, they go to not talk to them at all, you know, like I at least know I can do that. Otherwise, I would find the outfits trying to get, you know, and bother them and have to do that. So, um, so I do think that there's maybe some way that I know for one of my daughter's classes, they go in and there's a a bid and everybody drops their cell phone in the beginning of the class, then they pick it up at the end of the class. So, I don't know if they phone lockers or things because they

137don't have lockers at school. So, they just have an area of the classroom where they leave them at the beginning. So they're they're there, they're out of the way, and then they just pick them up on their way out and then they're not, you know, on them are a distraction, but they're also in class in case the student needs to meet them for some type of class project. They can do that and so they're there and available, but not somewhere where the students are going to be on them. So anyway, so I just wanted to share that from my perspective. >> Thank you. Thanks so much. Anyone else who would like to address the board? Okay. Um, we will move on to board comments. Does anyone have anything? >> I'm sure you've all got the

138email for the summer institute for training. Everybody's got that. So, it's uh August 7th through the 9th in uh Radison. So they all the classes that we will need to sign up for. I know I'm going so >> And just a reminder to the board that all of the 100 level classes are available online. So if you're trying to get your certification done, they are available online. >> So for that >> we're working on it. Everyone's working on it. You're wonderful. I'll bring cupcakes. >> All right. Anybody else? All right. We have information items in our packet. We have policy uh policy minutes, facilities minutes, and nice job notes from April. It is always wonderful to see all of the uh kudos that are passed around our district. um both because we have wonderful people

139who are doing the work and because we have wonderful people who are recognizing that wonderful work is done. Um we do have a close session tonight. So we do need a motion. Um and we'll take a fivem minute recess between uh the end of this and the beginning of close session. >> The board move to close sessions for negotiations after five minute recess. A second. We have a motion and a second. Can we do a roll call vote, please? Miss K. Mr. Hi, >> Mrs. Riser. Hi, Mr. Zera. Hi, >> Mr. Alibab. Hi, >> Mrs. Berley. Hi, >> Mr. Sapola. Hi. >> Thank you very much. Thank you to all our guests.