001and join us in what's to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with the representative of the world. All right, let roll call show that all board all board members are present tonight. Um, citizen comments. I'm assuming that is empty. We see if anyone's nobody on there. Okay. No serious comments. You go into uh board committee reports and um I'm going to start tonight because I have a I have a special a lots of special little things for Ben. Oh my goodness sakes. You're going to love this stuff. Okay. Okay. Use that stuff. I see the bag. And a caribou cup with a gift card in there because you know I did look on Alaska has two caribou. Y and um
002Princ's going to miss you a lot. I know. They're going to have to their revenue is going to go like this. Yeah, we've had lots of business meetings at Caribou over coffee. Ben, you got your very own set of pom poms. Okay. Okay. Because you have been our head cheerleader for seven years. You have done such a fantastic job. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Our go. Yeah. Go Tigers. Yes. So when you miss us, you can cheer. put them in your desk and I'll ask you we would like a cheer too wrap up in November when we do our election we expect you to be okay yes shaking the we can't forget big bag of hard candy just because we know you like to Yes, I know it hard candy instead of
003suck on it. I know. They're so good. Everybody just loves it when you do that, too. Okay. Okay. That's fine. That's good. But the final item is the most important. Okay. An emergency sewing kit. Just in case. Oh my goodness. You have a pair of trousers that need to be repaired. Yes. Meeting. So, the inside jokes. So everybody, this is this is my last school board meeting as superintendent of schools for Principal Public School. It's been the greatest honor of my life and I've been here for 7 years, which is a long time for a superintendent to be in a school district. It really is. And uh the joke is when I very first interviewed here over seven years ago, I um because I was a superintendent in in another school district, so I was
004in meetings and I was kind of in a hurry and you'd think that I would have picked out a suit to wear and everything, but I said, "Well, I wore my charcoal suit the first uh the first interview, so I'll grab my navy suit the second interview." So, I just grabbed it. And then my wife was driving and uh cuz I was going to find a place to uh change along the way. And I I looked in and I said, "Oh my god, these are the pants that I split the crotch." Oh, pants. The crotch was blown out of the pants. So then I was like in a dilemma. Didn't know what to do. I almost came here with that. I was going to roll the dice. Although I didn't have a chance. You would
005It would have been bad. But uh we did. That was a good save because we were going to be driving through Rochester, Minnesota in about 45 minutes. I called ahead of time. I said, "We're going to be rolling through. I said, I need to have a I need to have a Navy, you know, suit sitting there waiting for me." I said, "I had 10 minutes." It was like a pit change in in NASCAR. I ran in there. I stood there. They put them on me. They had the person come in there and kind of what is that called? A tailor. He ran in there. I was in and out in 10 minutes except for they said that well you know it's buy one you get the second suit for $100 and I said wait a
006minute I can't pass up this deal. So anyways I bought the second one but I had them ship it to our address and then I had to go get fitted another time. But anyways that's the story behind the uh but the best is he told us about it during the interview. Oh. Yeah, that was the best part. Well, when are we going to be reading this in the Then they knew then they saw full transparency from this person. They was willing to tell us that. So, thank you so much. Lots of lots of trips to Caribou. Lots of deep discussions with all of you. So, thank you so much. Yeah. And that was good. So, thank you. You're welcome. It's been great. I'll miss you, but you're in great hands with Pat and he's uh
007he's going to do a great job for you. So, it's really been nice how we've been able to have this transition. It doesn't always happen that way. So, good. Thank you. All right. Um, we will start with Jen. Well, we just had the public engagement um committee meeting. Um, so exciting to get that work going. Um, and I want to acknowledge our Girl Scouts. um they're here as part of um one of their democracy badges and learning how government works and as a part of that um they needed to sit in on um on a meeting um school board or city council or something like that and so welcome ladies you chose the best one right um just the public engagement uh committee and then a couple things we've been doing email wise since the
008last meeting. I'm excited to get rolling. And uh Ben, we will miss you. Thank you, Eric. Um since the last meeting, I haven't I have nothing to report, but um welcome to our Girl Scouts and Ben. It's been a pleasure for the last seven years. We'll be missed. I know we're going to be in good hands, but we'll see you. We wish you nothing but the best. Yeah. Appreciate it. Good luck. Awesome. All right. Um I just had agenda planning. Um attended some events in that. Um state art or trap was on Sunday and then we got a team going to Prior Lake on Friday. Ski will be there on Thursday. So that'll be exciting. Um welcome. It's exciting for to have youth here for the Girl Scouts. And Ben, thank you for everything. Yeah,
009it's been a journey and a lot of learning and a lot of laughs and it's been good. So, thank you. Yeah, thank you, Scott. Uh, I've been out of state most of the time, but I was able to get on the legislative recap webinar from MSBA. I watched it, too. Yeah, it was good. Um, welcome to the Girl Scouts and Ben, thank you for the fantastic welcome that you gave me as soon as I was on the board and elected. look forward to hearing a few things from you but also being capable. Sounds good. Thank you, Eric. No meetings. Just Ben, thank you. Uh I was had the pleasure of being board chair for the two years of co that was awesome. They got through it with all your leadership. We're both we're all scarred
010for life. A lot of hits. Lot of trauma. Yeah. took a lot of phone calls from that one guy who would call us every night at 5:30. That was awesome. That gonna miss you. Yeah. Thank you. Hopefully there are no billboards in on Alaska when we get done. Oh, yeah. I don't know. The next ones that change we'll send you a picture. All right. We have no student council um tonight, but we'll go to Ben superintendent. Yeah. Well, thank you so much. I'm humbled and just didn't expect this, but it's really nice of you and uh I'm going to miss you. Uh but you know, as I mentioned it before, uh we we did this the right way, right? I mean, I think the the the the you all knew that I loved it here
011and I loved working with you, but you I've been was transparent always that you know, family is really important to me and just like I share that with all of our team members. It's the most important thing, right? opportunity for me to get closer. The family uh opportunity for you then also to have enough time, you know, to to do a full search and find a strong candidate and uh then also pass the torch to Pat and Pat has been uh transitioning and uh meeting with me and other team members and all of you. And uh we I mentioned to Pat when we talked earlier today, one of the coolest things ever, which I think is just super unusual, is I invite Pat we invited Pat to our end of the year admin meeting. And
012uh super unusual for both superintendents to be with the team at the same time. And uh we participated in our last admin meeting of the year with the outgoing soup, the new soup. Um I thought it was a very good meeting. we were able to kind of uh I guess button up quite a few things from the end of this year, but then lots of planning for next school year um because there's just a ton of planning that needs to happen and of course Pat will be immersed in doing all that. But it was super cool and uh then we all went out to lunch afterwards. So, um, you know, I'm proud and I think you should be proud too is, you know, of of how we did this transition because, you know, we can
013we all see the newspaper headlines and the MSB articles and and we all know that it u many times it doesn't happen this way, you know, where things are uncomfortable at the end um with someone going out and someone coming in and this has been nice. So, good. Thank you. That's all I have. Uh, item number six, approve the agenda. Would somebody like to make a motion to approve the agenda as presented? Move. Motion's been made by Melissa. Is there a second? Second. Second by Eric Minkx. Any comments or question on that item? Hearing none, all in favor say I. I. Opposed. All right. Agenda is approved. Item seven, discuss and act on previous board meeting minutes. Would somebody like to make a motion to approve those minutes as presented? So moved. Motion's been made
014by Don. Is there a second? Second. Second by Scott. Um, any comments or questions on the minutes? Hearing none. All in favor say I. I. Opposed. All right. Minutes are approved. Item number eight, consent agenda. Would someone like to make a motion to approve the consent agenda as presented? So moved. Motion's been made by Scott. Is there a second? Second. Who was that? Jen. Second by Jen. Um, any comments or questions on the consent agenda? Hearing none. All in favor say I. I. Opposed. All right. Consent agenda is approved. Our first information item is the first reading of policies. Don, are you going to take us through? So, yep. So, on your summary, we had some that have MSBA updates. Um, couple that we just reviewed and then um but they've all been sent to
015their different um groups to be reviewed. So, we should all be good to go. Okay. And then we'll see those in July For approval. All right. Did anybody have any questions on the policies tonight? All right. We'll move to item number 9B, discuss referendum options. I'll just, you know, maybe frame this a little bit and then I I wonder if uh if we folks from um elders or and uh ICS and want to join us around the table or you can be at be there, whatever you're comfortable with, but I think we're going to lean on them a little bit on some questions that we may have. But uh this is the meeting where we need direction from you on what to work with our bond attorney on to uh bring a a potential assuming
016you still want to move forward resolution to the board to vote on which would be at that July meet. That's the goal. But we need to know what to ask um our bond attorneys attorneys to work on. And really the um the first thing that you'll have to give us direction on is um you know we discussed that there would be a bond referendum uh that would be for the facilities that we discussed around the last meeting. So you're well aware of that. And there is a capital levy that is also called a tech levy. And I believe that um the tech levy was going to be right around 900,000ish 750. You know, potentially you could squeeze it to nine. I'm just throwing that out there. But um do you want that to package that
017together as one question, which you legally can do? Um so there'd be one question on the ballot or do you want to separate the two out and have two? Um, the two together, the tax impact from what I'm understanding, and you have the documents in front of you, Ryan can explain more, but I believe it's going to be more like that $15 a month for an average home in our school district. And we're uh we've calculated the average uh assessed value of a home in the Princeton School District at about $350,000. Of course, we know that some will be valued less than that and some will be valued more than that. I think the task force that met over the course of the last year many times gave us the guard rails of not more
018than $17 a month for an average home or they said right around that 17. So as you can tell is the 15 is less than the 17. So we're within that range that the task force recommended and also was uh a result of the community uh survey that we had done as well. So the first thing is is do we put put those questions into one or do you or do you separate it into two and then after you decide that there's another question that you need to wrestle with and you need to give us direction on and that is if you wanted to have an additional question on the ballot that would be solely an operating referendum. Okay. So, I tried to frame that. Um, Todd, Ryan, you guys want to share some commentary?
019Yeah, maybe I'll add something just to start with. You know, last meeting we we went back and forth and worked with kind of the numbers up on the on the actual screen, right? And we were trying to figure out what the actual inclusion of all the different scopes were and what the the dollar amount was. So coming out of that meeting is why some of the numbers might look a little different to you today than what we talked about then. Um but we kind of settled in that 47 million kind of range was the total scope. So that's the scope outline that's in your board. That's what we walked away with. Um after that meeting you didn't see that actual number that night, but after we rounded it all out, that's where it's at. So
020Ellers took that to create then what would an actual bond question look like as far as the general obligation bonds the facility part. So that's where now you see the 49 140 number. So that's where that came from. It it didn't come out of the blue. It was derived out of the work that was done in the last meeting. Um then so they have that kind of labeled as a question one in all the documents here that we're that you're looking at. Okay. Um, and in question two, they have the capital projects levy at $740,000. And then we're just focusing on the example here that's in your board book of just that average home. So, we kind of took away all those different numbers of all the different values that we've seen in previous examples
021and just boiled it down to what that average is. Um, and you can see that the question one 49.14 million on that average home is $150 a month. There's 13 or $150 a year or $13 a month. Question two, $750,000 in capital projects levy geared towards that technology component, $75 a year or $6 a month. Now also what was discussed very quickly at the last meeting but something that is very important worked with you all in the beginning of the year January February to refund some of your existing debt and and restructure it right they built in a component ready for a capital projects levy then so that's where you see the reduction of other levies that that box that $4 was already built in to everything that was being presented. So we get to
022take it's kind of take that out now. We're using it. So that's when you see the net change for both of them is we're adding 13 + 6 - 4 to get to 15. So, the long and the short of it is we were working toward that $17 number, $17 a month number, knowing Ellers had already established a $4 credit was going to happen once we decided on what it is. So, that's why it's actually under that $17 or $7. So, it will be for the average $350,000 home will be $15 a month, right? for both that everything and exactly. So that's the whole package. Now you know at this point we could say well let's go up to 17 if we wanted to add a little bit more to the capital projects levy. You
023have that 48 if we wanted to do that. That's what Ben was was saying. We could sneak that up. If ever if the board wants to stay status quo and kind of let's just go with what we've talked about. That's what's basically in these examples in front of you. Um, and then the structure of the questions, you know, again, in your book, Ellers provided a bunch of different examples of what the technical questions look like, and they get very technical. That's a good word. A lot of numbers, a lot of percentages, you know, things like that. It's just the way it's structured. So it if in no capacity are any of the structures of the questions going to be super layman. They're they're going to provide some you know people at the at the ballot
024not really probably understanding what they're so we'll we'll do our best to communicate that between now and then. Um but it it it can't of course just be simple. It's it's going to be a little favor in any of those scenarios. So the the as Ben said the the summary is we want question one to be the facilities, question two to be the capital projects levy or we just want one question. It's wrapped up all it's a big long question with a bunch of numbers and that be it and you go for both. So the the some of the things to think about and type in weigh in on this uh you know again question one question two it's going to be $9 a month 13 - 4 or question two would be $6 a
025month or $2 depending if one passes or fails if you set it up that way. So there's there's pros and cons to that to have them separated to have a yes and a no potential for either or. Um you put them both together. You get you get them both or you don't get them both. Um depending on on the the voting. So again that's philosophical. Maybe Todd can well provide some pillar. I first of all want to congratulate Jod on her pencil because she she found some extra money there when we were targeting $17 and uh that's one of the reasons why you bring in a really good financial advisor such as as Ellis. Um I I would say that I'm growing increasingly agnostic about whether we should combine the bond and the capital projects
026levy or not. And we're now at $15. That is below what the typical rural school district now is asking for. Last year, November the average for question one was $18. Okay. Um 15, you know, I mean, I you know, there's no doubt that there's an emotional component if the question you're asking for is is less than $10. There's probably a bit of an advantage, but at the same time, if you do a really good job of communicating um over the next few months, $15 is a very manageable amount for a first question. And I think there's some reason why if you put it all in the first question, what you're telling is that you believe that both facilities and the operating budgets are important. They're equally important. You want to take care of them like
027that. And they're related. They're related to each other. Yeah. And I'm not worried as much about the complexity of the questions. It's a special election being very surprising in this district. 50 and 40% chance, you're probably more likely to have between 25 and 30%. And I think most voters are going to know going in there one of three things. They know that they open schools and so they're going to vote yes. They know that they just can't manage a tax increase. So they're going to vote no or they're going to have to or they're going to have followed the district communication very well as they're going to know the purpose of the questions and whether they're voting no or yes. They don't necessarily need to read the question to find that out. If we were
028going to have this election a year ago, I feel a little bit differently about the complexity. I'm not as worried about it. I think your major question here is for me is whether you want to have the operating levy. Additional question there. And if you did, would you make it contingent on whatever was before it on the ballot? I I really like um combining the bond with the capital into one question. um for lots of reasons, but I think technology is easy um for people to understand why we're including that. Um especially with the expanding our um CTE and having a wing. Obviously, we're going to need technology for that. So, I think I think they just go together. I don't think that that's going to be a hard thing to explain to people. So,
029but that's I got I agree with that. I think that it's easy to it's easier for someone to understand that or for just the average person understand okay technology costs money. So if you give us the money for the technology we can run what we just built and then have that extra money to do whatever with it also shows that we're not like fixing our budget. We're just trying to keep going with the technology that we have. Right. So, the combined capital project levy and um building bond referendum with the about $15 on a $350,000 house, right, Todd? I think in the past you talked about $20 kind of being the magic number where going over $20 for a person is a little bit more difficult. about what home value would you be reaching that
030uh $20 per month at? I always use what is generically the median home value. That's what always is the reference point for us. So that obviously changes from district to district. You happen to have for rural Minnesota a relatively high median home value here. Yeah. That's the chart I think you're looking for. Any other thoughts? Well, I I like the idea of combining the 10 question two questions into one. I mean, it is all your eggs in one basket. You either get both or you don't, but I also think that we do need to also ask for an operating. So, a second question. On a second question. So, I'm kind of opposed to asking for the operating levy also or I mean operating also because um sorry um if we don't want to m not
031muck it up but if we just have the one question and we put our effort and energy to explain just that question I mean we might have to come back in two years or whatever and be like okay we will eventually have to come back right and say, "Okay, well, we we need this operating referendum now." But I think if we can show that we're trying to do it without that and still do the building and still like wiggle around with what we have in our budget now, we might have a better option of getting that operating in the future in the I mean, I guess I don't know. Princeton doesn't pass things either. operating limit is going to be tough anyway anytime. So, chair, I'll throw out a suggestion before we get too far
032on the operating. If if there seems to be somewhat of a consensus on putting the two questions into one, it'd be nice to have that resolved and you can set that off to the side and then you can talk about the other one and not kind of get it all mucked up if you know what I mean. Yep. Yep. I'm fine with combining the two. If we do do a second question, I would like that to be contingent that the first question has to pass. I was in favor of the combined first question as well. Are we all in favor of the combined first question? Because thumbs up. Sure. Is there anything we have to vote on or just No, you will be voting on the actual ballot language that will be at our next
033board meeting in July. Um that gives guidance and as you can see the some of the sample languages that we will be pulling from to create our own language um to to handle our needs. So right. So, so thank you for getting that piece was a very important piece to get resolved and you did that pretty easy out of the group. Thank you. Now then you can segue into this next piece. Did you want to have another question that would be an operating referendum? That's question. That's the first thing you need to answer. And then if so, then you'd have to talk about contingency thing or not. Yeah. Um Todd, do you have any uh I don't know, drops of wisdom you'd like to give us on possibly adding another question on the I didn't
034say you were going to any on the operating one. Question, assuming we all have agreed on the first two being together as the first question. Yeah. Was I the one who thought this crazy idea at that meeting uh the task force that uh that this is something that you could do? I mean I think the well let me I'm thinking about in terms of act and the role he needs to play here and the question I think you um you have here is that do you want to explain to the community the true breadth of the of the issues and kind of give them the opportunity to take a modest chunk out of it or take a big chunk out of it and that's really I think what they're offering the community if you put
035this on the ballot now and the second question hitting $10. Of course, there's that magic emotional level. You know that, but on the other hand, you're saying it's a million dollars, and that's something that's pretty easy to explain in the context of the budget that you have. I think I think the best reason to put it on there is if you want to show the community that there is a it's it's a bigger problem than just question one and you want to be transparent about what may be necessary over time. there is a political consideration. It is likely to help question one modestly if you have a second question like that on there because there typically speaking in particularly in rural districts there is a there there's a group who will of voters who will
036look at this and go I'll go parkway but I want to vote no on something and that's not what the percent of people that is. I couldn't tell you. I could just tell you that there's there's no doubt that at times that can help a first question go through. So, but it's going to be a communication. I think it comes down to communications and districts how they exp why they explain why you're making a bigger ask than maybe they were hearing about. And the reason why is because you want to make sure the community understands the full budget picture. But isn't and Michelle correct me if I'm wrong, but a million dollar even if we do the 750 capital and million dollar operating like that's still doesn't get us nowhere any I mean not anywhere
037obviously it gets us somewhere but like we're still going to say we we still need more. It it's uh not going to get you to a point where you're going to be able to add um positions back or expand program which is where we run into the issue. So let's let's take our career and tech area where we've worked really hard on those career guidance. Um the person that we we have in that coordinating position, we have her on a grant and we actually got a part um it's not as big as the previous previous grant but um for the next two years part of her salary will still be paid for by a grant. Um, so the million dollar. So if you take our current year budget that we're looking at, you would bring
038down what I'm going to show you tonight by a million dollars because it's over 2 million right now because we don't have legislator stuff in there quite to the level that we need it. But if you take that million off of there, you're still at a million2 and that's a worst case scenario. So, but like in our world a million two because you know a percent of our budget is 400,000. Um we've always been conservative. We've always we we have done pretty well with special education so that we we didn't over promise and and the numbers come in lower. So we we've done well we have done well with enrollment. We've had some glitches through the years with enrollment, but typically you when we look at that as a as a group, we are we've
039had more years where we have gained enrollment based off of what we've we've um planned for, right? So, um, you you take that million off and we still reduced our adjustments to the budget or 700,000. We still would have adjusted down to come down to that million, too. So, if you want to take that as an example of what that would look like um with a million dollars, but without the million, we're at the 2 million at this moment. Yeah. If I just very quickly add, I think it's more persuasive for you to say that we know we can't ask the community for everything and we're going to continue to do our job. Our job is to look at our budget and find ways to save money. It's our job to go try to bring
040in more students and it's our job to talk to our legislators and try to get more money to the state. We would need to do all those things. So the second question doesn't just take care of every problem, but what it does is it it the community will be making a bigger contribution and we'll be able to make smarter cuts. That's what it comes down to. That I think that's the most persuasive way to talk about it. I don't know what Pat would do, you think. Yeah. I can't I guess I would say that um I think the other thing the second B would do is it makes the community even more aware that we are in budget problem there's a situation out there that we've been trying to fix every year without it and
041they they do the vote on one they might think well that took care of everything but if you have the other one laying there even if it doesn't pass at least it sets it up for the next election if you will because you you can come back and say you know we we still have this budget problem. So back to the communication that Todd said when you are you you be transparent you tell the whole story and and I really feel like the task force and the board have done a wonderful job of saying we are making this um the least amount of tax impact as we can and still keep a real strong school system. So it's I think that work has been done. So, that's going to be a really nice way of
042communicating to the to the public that um look at the work we've done with task force, look what we've done since the last vote. We've decided that this is what we can get done and keep our strong school and the capital's going to help us, but we're still financially going in the wrong direction. And and this second vote, as as Todd said, can sometimes make somebody say, "Well, I'll I'll give you that, but not this." But it also does a second thing for me. It sets you up for future conversations of we still have that that uh deficit spending has not gone away. It's still there. Yeah. And sometimes it's not always about an operating leather to add staff back. It's they're retaining what you have as well. Yes. And so to look at it
043as well, it's not going to it it's basically just going to be able you're just going to be able to I just worry about like we have a question where we're asking for the bond and the capital and then we're also like and we also need this but we're also going to need more like to keep go you know what I mean like so I just worry that if someone looks at that and says well they're asking for this now they're asking for this and then when in another two years we're like yeah of of course we didn't bring more stuff on because we don't have a budget for it and well we gave you all this money we did both question you know so I'm just trying to think of like the negative I
044don't think a million is going to give it's going to help us but I think in the long run we're going to need more than a million and if we go out and get that million they're not going to come back and give us more I think we have some stuff that happened at the state that are going to have negative effects especially with the special ed and transportation that you know is going to really affect our budget the amount of special ed we got and when we start digging into that that million is going to be gone just like that we're probably going to need like a couple million maybe and you know we can't go I don't feel like in a year or two we can go back to our voters and say
045we miscalculated we should have asked for and we only asked for one. I think we're shooting ourselves in the foot there. Yeah. But I also get concerned that that special ed funding and all of that changes quicker than we can pass anything. And so we could find ourselves a million dollars short in 2027 and have not passed anything, you know, and not even put it out there for an ask. and then we're another year or two out from that ask and are we just digging our hole even deeper for us to try and climb back out of? I guess that's my fear like can we if we have to go back and ask for it in a couple years then we do and then you're honest and transparent about why and that this the transportation
046funds changed and the special ed funds changed and inflation didn't account and now we are paying um you know unemployment in the summer and that expired and so all of these things that we don't have any control over today um I worry about those popping, they can change. We get six months notice if if and just to remind everyone the we have a a body of work over the past pretty much seven years with the exception of the two years that we have federal funds from the co times of about $2.5 to3 million of what we call a structural deficit which means like that pretty much every year that's what we have right when the finance committee is making projections on revenue we're taking a look at expenditures We're between 2.5 and 3 million short.
047And what we've done every year is we've cut 750 to a million, you know, to bring that down. And then we've, you know, made some other decisions and then we've we've tried then we've gone in with a a budget that is a negative number, a deficit spend of 1.2 to as much as 1.8, right? And then we work really hard every year to underspend our budget to not to only spend 98% or 99%. And then we don't dig as deep into our fund balance. And and that's how we've been able to operate. And it's getting much harder to budget that way because our confidence level and underspending the budget every year is shrunk. It's harder to underspend the budget. And just to give like some perspective here, when we only get an increase from the
048state of a 2% on the formula, okay, that brings in let's say $500,000, $600,000 of revenue. Sounds great, right? But our number one expenditures is human resources, right? And nobody is foolish enough to think that you can run an organization in these day this day and age and not give anybody a wage and benefit increase. So if you give a 2% increase um or to 3% a standard traditional increase on a salary is 3% 3% and 3% or two and two. Okay. When we pencil that out on the expenditure side that's about 1.8 to $2 million expenditure. So every year that's the that's we're losing right. You get 600,000 of new money and you give just a basic very modest increase to our staff. That's a $1.8 to$2 million expenditure, right? The math doesn't work
049out. And then you throw on all the other supplies and software and everything else with inflation that's going up upwards to five, six, 7% with inflation, right? Everything's going up. So it's it's a the math doesn't work out. We can't sustain this. The fact that we've been able to sustain it for as long as we have, it's incredible. I mean, it's been masterful work by the board. And we're not there. We're we're not like the the house isn't on fire yet, but we're trying to be transparent and and we can project out in the next couple two three years that the house is going to be on fire if we don't do anything about it. And the fact that we are one of the few school districts in the state that doesn't have an operating
050referendum to get additional dollars over and above what the state gives us, that puts us as a huge disadvantage. I do have to say I don't think it will pass. But I do think we need to start telling the story and we do need to start educating and is this the best way to do it? Yeah, that that's my concern. Is this the right time to do it? Um, I just don't want it to backfire. Um, at our our last our last referendum that we had, we kind of last minute decided to do the fieldhouse, add the fieldhouse and the turf. And guess what the center of attention was in the whole election? That. And so I just I mean I know we need it. I know we need to do it. Um, but I
051just don't I don't know if it's the right time. Um, and I don't want to um put the rep the building referendum at risk. I just I don't I don't know. I just don't I'm really the economy is nervous about sticking an operating a second question in there about an operating levy at this time. When is the next time we could go for an operating? Let's say we have this and then the following November. Every November only do operating. Those are more restrictive. Yeah. You know, working on the nonprofit side in our community as well. I mean, our community is stressed about economics right now and our economy. And if we put too much on them, they're just going to come out and say no completely. That's what I'm afraid of is because then why
052ask for anything? We have to go. We have to ask. We have to do something. I'm not worried about asking. I mean, I think one question would be better. I just think that if we don't ask for stuff that's not going to have us coming back in two years, 3 years, then people are going to just be iate. I mean, they'll be irate anyway for the most part, I guess. But, you know, we don't ask now. We're going to for sure have to ask it to Yes. Yes, we will. I agree. Yes. I just is like I was saying it's like right now while we're trying to get, you know, and we're going to need more than a million. So, we ask for that extra right now and then go back again and instead of
053two or three years, four or five years. I mean, maybe that makes the difference. I don't know. Those gentlemen have been pretty quiet. What do you guys think? I'm in favor of adding the operating levy as a question on here. Uh like Don said, if we want to make it contingent, we can do that. Um Eric, yeah, don't really know. Why would we make it contingent? Not that because I really don't honestly know why we would do that. Explain that to me. Like what's the reasoning? Well, if you pass the operating but don't pass the We're getting to a point where we are going to lose students at the high school because we cannot keep up with technology. They're going to go to our surrounding districts that can offer more certificates and more of those
054items for the trades because we cannot keep up. Well, but then again, one or the other is good. Yeah. One if we can get operating money then why would we not? We have gone years and years and years of with the I listen I I understand the the quality and the condition of our buildings but we have dealt with that for all these years. For the last year almost every other meeting Ben says the same exact thing about the operating So if they can get something I I think something's better than nothing. I think the purpose of making a contingent I mean I I don't know if you could do the operating levy first and then the building contingent on the person. I don't think that's a good idea. I think the purpose of making
055a contingent is to focus everybody on one question. Well, if we're going to do that, then why not just ask one question? I guess my question the conversation first and then the potential for reducing the reducing the deficit by a good portion. I think there is a second question on there. I don't think it should be contingent on the first because if we're going to risk it, then we need to take whatever we can get if anything. What are we going to do if that boiler goes at that high school? Where are we going to leave those kids? Well, hopefully we'll have that million in operating budget to do something with it. I guess we don't get anything but spoilers wait there there's ways that we can get funding should worst case scenario happen but
056we have more than one hopefully they won't blow up at one time. Yeah, I mean I'm just throwing. So you'll pin in as a second question, not conventional. I would support that. I would still prefer one question, but if we did do the second question, I would also say it should not be content. It should just be a separate question. And then people could understand maybe even in our messaging too. If you don't vote for the like the bond, the building bond and tech bond they go together or tech levy and then the operating like that's just operations to explain also it's not building this. I want to do one but I would be contingent because I think like I said I you know I've even had some conversations with the trades teachers over there
057or you know in that thosemies they're like if things don't change we are going to lose students you lose students you lose revenue because they are going to go to other schools or they're going to do more PSO or they're going to go to a technical school and just start there. They're going to bypass their junior and senior year because we know the trades are where it's at and they can start at a six figure income with some of those jobs. Why wouldn't they get that training or get some certification before they're done with high school and have zero debt? the trades have we have to get that trade piece built up and give our resources to those teachers to do what they can do. I mean you talk to the science teachers they can't
058even do some of the labs because they do not have that space tasks. Okay. So what what you just said what does adding how does adding an an operating levy question affect I guess I'm not following the logic how does adding that one question affect what you I don't want to jeopardize getting not getting themies that but that's too much it's too much and people are just going to say no no you that's what you're worried about y wants to get contended I want to continue because I I'm I'm already working with people and they're already telling me their what their households are doing. Churches are hurting already and there's going to be some tough discussions already within our local churches. But if you just want I I understand that, but opposed to the contingency
059and the just take what we can get. It's not contingent. If you just want all the focus on the one question, then doesn't it make sense to just ask one question? But you're bringing awareness that we are going to need the operating you're starting that conversation. Well, I think we've started that conversation for the last year having meetings month. I mean, I don't You're in favor of the second question, but you just want to continue. Yep. Yeah. Because the dollar amount on the second question, if you're trying to re if you're trying to generate a million dollars is nearly the $15 a month, right? 10. Yeah, it's $10 a month out of $350,000. So that and that's why that first question, the package in two together is so attractive because you can do the capital
060levy and it's it's far less of a tax impact, right? you can get nearly almost a $50 million building bond project and 75 $750,000 that can help with the operating and that's 15 bucks a month. You're getting so much for your money. Yeah. So and I and I would just throw out and I I did before too is if you did just do the one question, you know, I would encourage you, you might be able to get that capital more like 900 or or more, you know, a little bit more speed a little bit more out of that and still keep it low. But that's just I don't want to muddy the water anymore. I'm okay going along with what Jen and Eric have said so far. two questions not contingent on each other. If
061we have to do it contingent um to get both questions on the ballot, I think that's the way to go. But I'm in favor of operating levy addition down there. I'll agree to whatever comes up with that's an opinion. I think we got a lot of opinions and they're mostly not matching. Well, we agree on the first question. So, that's a good start. I think we all agree that we have a need in this. Yes. And I absolutely think it's all about what we're what we're really discussing is timing. Yep. And is this the right time? Yeah. And I mean, if if the majority of the board thinks that this is a good gamble, then I'm going to trust the majority of the board that this is a good game. Um, but I I I
062really don't want them contingent. I don't think that makes sense. I really really just think that the one question and then saying this is what we we've been talking about the CTE for how long and all that and technology goes with it and then we say okay hopefully that passes we can focus all of that on that people can understand it and then if we come back okay it's been a couple years look at this is going really well hopefully now we need this and then we're not having to ask for that extra million and then we somehow on some miracle get it and then we still are going to be doing cuts in the next year or whatever. I don't know. I think that if we're going to ask for anything, we need to
063just do what they had. Well, it's a million dollars. We're still going to be cut in. Yes. that we'll have to go back and then I think the community is going to be upset with us because they're like we gave you 750, we gave you a million and you're still making well for Mr. Uker. He can be sitting up here. He'd have no problem answering how many questions. But what if it takes you four years to pass that and every year you take another million dollars out of reserves? Yep. I'm mean and And at least this might sustain that for a little bit longer. They go out every year when we're banking. But you're you're capped. They cap you on your operating, I believe. Don't they Well, we are, but I'm just got lots of
064lots of room. We got zero to something. one behind them cuz you didn't want a second question. I still don't want a second question. Okay. Because when we went out for the building and then the fieldhouse, what was our total dollar amount then? Less than this. Was it less than this? Yeah. Well, it was 60 million. Well, no, but I'm saying what was tax impact? Oh, tax impact would be right. It was more than what? Oh yeah. Question combined, but not not less than if you did the operating two questions. It was less last night. Yeah. First question, I want to say it was 11 or $13. Question and put it up to I think I want to say it was like $21. But we're also comparing apples to apples because that was a $250,000
065house five years ago and now we're at 350,000 and it's a totally different like this is all but mainly just like curriculum. It's not the athletic field or whatever. So it's different. So I think dollar-wise they have they must be pretty close to your question. Well this would be 25 and if that was 21 it was like 21ish but you're right. It wasn't the same. comparable. Um Pat as our newest cheerleader coming in here. Uh can I ask him the pom pom? Can I ask your You need to hold a pom pom. I bet I could let you borrow one and we could break. Oh, too. What is your I mean, and I know you haven't been in our community as long, but you get the general gist of what we're saying. What can I
066ask for your two cents? Yeah. You know, I think the conversation's really good. I you know there's a couple things that come to mind right away and Don you brought up one of them you know if if we were to pass and you did a second question you pass that still doesn't get us out of trouble right so then how does that look and we come back two years later say now we need a little more I I think one of the the narratives of all this that I really like is that you as a board has been have and and as an admin team have been very fiscally responsible not to ask for tax money. As Ben has said numerous times, if you compare, everybody's got operating on the books. I mean, I don't
067know there's hardly another district out there that's got zero. I mean, so that story, that narrative to me is you save years of taxation to this community and that needs to be celebrated. say, "Look what we've done to make sure that," and I know that's kind of depier sometimes like, "Yeah, you should." You know, that kind of thing. For that, if you do a comparison, you say, "Look how we have really been fiscally responsible and try to keep away from you as long as we can. There's going to come a day where that yeah, we have to come to you because to keep this school strong that is needed." Now, um, my experience of referendums was a bond first and an operating levy four years later. But the question every time I went out and
068did the presentation of bond was, well, the only way you're going to survive is do an operating late later. And my my my response that time is if we can grow enough students, we may not need to come back to you. And that was always we do, it's going to be two to four years. we came back and forth, but that that narrative could sell here too. You know that if we put the CTE and we an attractive magnet school for all that, we could grow enough where maybe our finances will will level themselves out and and that can work. But the caveat on there is that but if it doesn't, we are going to need taxpayer help because our fund balance is only so much and it's going to deplete at a faster rate.
069if if we don't solve it somehow. So, um can you offer one qu I like that we're combining the two. I think that's that's a that narrative we can do that there's you know working with Todd and all of you. It's going to be we can put together a good campaign for that. The second one becomes what is its purpose, right? Is its true purpose just to communicate that there's a need? Is it a purpose to solve a gap? Because it's really not plug in the hole. It's just kind of putting a band-aid on it. Um, so it's it's or is it a is it a you know, not you have throwaway votes, but is it a boat that they can say no to as a concept? Know what what purpose of the second boat
070is is really going to be why we strategize to put it on. Michelle, do we have something that falls off in a couple of years? Yeah, it was like 2032 or something. is that our next drop when the primary school comes off. We've got a long time before we can place an operating levy with dollars that will fall off and most likely we'll need to do building work. I mean our our intermediate is built project for sure. I mean, there's always going to be something out there for buildings. And if something was falling off, you know, in 5 years it was going to get you $5 a month that then that would be like a good target to say, can we survive till that point and be really thoughtful about it. Um, that's kind of
071that was why I was asking. Michelle, you just hit a key deal. You said we got a lot of building needs coming. If we don't get that first question passed and we pass the second, well, yeah, we can move money around, but in that first question, we're taking care of the boiler and the middle school, which opens up room for that for our long-term building needs. We take those two huge projects, but if we don't, those are the two projects that are there. And so then that pushes all those other building needs off for how many years? Well, if question one doesn't pass, we go in the spring and we do the whole thing all over. Yeah. I mean, so it won't be years. We'll get a pass. We'll just keep going. Point of clarification,
072Jennifer, that that drop is already factored in. you in five years there isn't going to be using that drop to keep the tax that's the impact your level throughout for the next 20 years both of them don't have the big and I I suppose I could be misspelling I need to look at their little bar here they might have drops a little bit we do okay so yeah look at that chart and then when you see that top part you down. That's right. And the primary is done. All right. So, what what are we what are we going to do here, guys? I'm still on one. Should we do rock paper scissors? Okay. So, wrestling spider. You You can do the rock, paper, scissors if you want, but I would I would say that I
073I do believe Okay. you know that if nothing's official like you need to give us direction so that we can have our attorneys do the formal question. The most important thing was we need to have the formal question of the the two together. You gave us that direction. Okay. So we will have that prepared as a resolution at the next meeting to pass. We and I think we would be able to have a second resolution that that you would be able to have on this operating referendum and we would have that prepared for you. We can still do that. Can you se I think we can separate it out as two resolutions. Okay. So, so basically you have a whole month to decide because because if if I'm hearing you right, if you package the
074first resolution together, the bond and the capital levy, I I think I'm hearing you, unless you all change your mind, you probably vote yes on that. And then if we have the second resolution on an operating referendum, I don't know where you'll vote, but it'll be there and someone will have to make the motion and someone it'll have to get a second. Mhm. and and then you'll have to hold on. Can I ask um so if we I mean the likelihood of that extra million dollars right is pretty small in passing. Michelle I guess I look to you and say how many years out of the um structural deficit that we are forecasting? How long can we continue to operate before we have to have that operating levy pass? So to Pat's point, if it
075is not a question this fall, but we start that message about if the students don't come, we're asking we'll be here in four years because or what's that magic number for years? And I realiz I'm not ask able to answer that exact because of course it is going to depend on enrollment what the state does. 27 28 those two school years look really tough just on the surface right now. um they tried they had a zero target for us um for this time and we'll see what that zero target meant because that means zero target at their level. So we got to wait for the everything to be sorted out at our level. Um we definitely cannot sustain negative to million dollar deficits. I mean, it's it's really about how far you you will end
076up. We are to the point where we're going to be cutting programs because we don't have any place else to go. I mean, we we don't have extra administrative staff, you know, we we got, you know, the principal in our elementarymentaries. I don't have two. You know, a lot of districts, our guys have two or at least a dean. We don't have that. We don't have a director of technology. That's that's gone. Uh there's business offices that are bigger than we are at our size with a couple more people. Um we we don't have you know we we got one payroll person, we got one person doing accounts payable. So those things that don't touch kids, we don't have anything left. Everything else is touching kids. And that's That's important. We we So you're going
077to be looking at programs. Does the 750 if we pass that target? Does the 750 help? Yes. That will give us another budget. Yes. Because now the other thing that we have not talked about at all is you know last year and I think our numbers were pretty good. I more than what we expected for online program. You know, I think for our first year we what did we come away with? 170 kids or what did we end up with? Well, 164 I believe was our last couple. If we can keep expanding that, that is revenue for us and that is a bucket that we got to really grow is that bucket right there. That's the wild card. That is wild card. That's uh you know that that we we have realistic discussions uh in
078that program that we could potentially double that for next year you know which would really help and we have the infrastructure set up uh that you know the only additional expenses would be just teachers right when we get more students because we have we have the infrastructure side to to keep it going but I also um think that that is also the most um what's the right word? Risky. Risky. Risky is the right word because um is that is a very competitive because we draw students from across the state of Minnesota and we've done a really good job to bring in the number of students that we have. Now, we have to assume we're going to continue to do a great job and even get better. But there's not a whole lot of room for
079error because if there's any missteps in that program, then I believe families will just say, "Well, let me do a Google search. What other online programs are out there? I'll go to that one." It's not the most reliable of Yeah. So, I mean, realistically, we're five years out from being able to grow the CTE programs. I mean, you haven't even dug a hole in the ground yet. Yeah. at least. So that's five years of you know hopefully we'll see a growth in our students but realistically it's my my hope for you although I won't be here is you know we'll adopt a budget that will be right now on paper when she goes through it tonight it will say 2 million but after we get the legislative changes in we think we'll more be like
0801.6 1.7 million deficit spent. Now, here's the hope. We getund or so more students in online and our numbers uh come in in our brick and mortar better than what we project. So, that's going to help on the revenue side. And then um we're going to underspend our budget like we almost always do by a percent. And then that 1.6 or 1.7 million will end up being more like, you know, 600,000 500,000. And then you dip into your savings account. you know, our savings account can sustain five or 600,000, but you can't sustain the $2 million because we're going to we're sitting at about $4 million or so. And then we also have some money in just little pockets of reverse reserves that we will nickel and dime pull from, but you know, we really
081just have a a couple years, right? A good idea. Okay. One other comment and that is um I mean seven of you like you've got the lecture certificates and you spent a lot of time studying this stuff and and you you know it about as well as anybody in the community knows this stuff and so you really understand you can put your your hands around this is the need, right? You can come up that conclusion. But these things pass because voters make a decision as to what they'll accept. And sometimes as hard as you try to find out what the need is, it never quite connects with what voters will actually accept. If you've got a month before you'd have to do a resolution on operating budget, I think you actually have a little bit
082more time than that. It doesn't have to be until August. Um you've got time to go out and test this with people and ask them, okay, here's question one. Here's what we've heard. Here's what the task force said. Let me walk through that with you and see what people say. And then you can ask them, okay, we're also thinking about whether we need to ask a second question and here's what it would do. And I think you can start to hear from the community what might be acceptable and what might not be. You may actually your inability right now to develop a full consensus may actually the best things that's happening because it gives you a chance because this really wasn't vetted carefully in the in the committee either. was discussed as a political opportunity
083as opposed to necessarily a part of a financial plan. So you have a chance here go out and talk to people and bring back what you hear and that could help inform the decision and maybe bring you to a consensus. Just one thought. So if we did the we all agree on the one that gives the lawyer something to do then we can say if they write up that second question can they also write it up like do we have to determine like do they have to know if it's contingent or not to write up the second question or can they just add that? We can probably have that worked out with them where we kind of have both options. My my sense is it'd be just a small couple words difference. I don't know.
084Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, I think you should be you should know and Pat will work with you because this will be in July that you would have a you'll have a couple resolutions that you'll need to be prepared to vote on. Sounds like the first one somewhere it should go. Then the second one, you know, I guess we'll see. Sounded like Todd said we could wait until the first meeting in August for the operating levy question. We need to we'll get that. Yeah, I think it's August. I would just like to let the girls know that you can leave our meeting at any time. Oh, look. She's like, "Oh, thank you." Guys have definitely experienced some democracy, I feel like tonight. Yes. Well, this is more discussion than we have. I'm saying usually we
085Yeah, we're actually doing this just for you at home. I did have a request from one of the Girl Scouts if we could please um toilet paper. Yes. No, my job. Did you hear about that million? Those millions of dollars that we don't next year you'll be bringing your own. We're not That's budget. Oh my gosh. So, are we ready to move on? Yeah. Comments, questions. If we can have all that wording ready by the next meeting and we all have our time in the next month, leave that wants to leave now. Yeah. So, if you girls don't want to do the picture or anything like that, you want a picture? Okay. We'll picture. Yes. We're going to get blood. Michelle made way too much noise. Oh, like that's that was my favorite part of
086that meme. What? Are you taller than me? Come on, ladies. You got to stand in front of us. You're hiding us. Okay. All right, Satie. Got to get in front. You're short. like Michelle to whip through the budget. Good luck. Hey, we got you to whip through a superintendent speech. Find me. The shortest one. Oh my gosh. Everyone's gone. Got a couple of action items here. Search certification of update updated district population estimate. I move resolution certifying the updated district population estimate as per the second by Melissa, second by Jen. Any comments or questions? Hearing none. All in favor say I. I opposed. All right. Now we have to identify identified official with authority. I move to accept a resolution identifying Patrick Divine as the district identified official with authority to assess or access the
087MDE EDM system as credential. Motion made by Scott. Is there a second? Second. Second by Don. Any comments or questions? Hearing none. All in favor say I. I. I. Opposed. All right. That pass says we are on to the budget. The budget. So we have our budget document attached. Um you want to follow along. This is what we've seen over and over again. Yep. So, are there any changes to what we've seen before? So, LTFM is our plan. Operating capital. The only change to that from your last meeting was that we took off the words um on hold for the intermediate school room renovation for this bed area. So that is is moving forward. uh compensatory. Uh we did not talk about compensatory long in the last one, but um this is the area that
088I've got some hope for. They have put some money towards that. I do not know how much that will mean for our district yet. Um MASPO has a session next week for legislative pieces, so hopefully that's going to dig down into some calculations. um what MSBA and that have are generally that highle overview of what's happening. So if compensatory comes in a little bit higher that will mean that we can take some more stress off the unassigned. So um to keep our class sizes smaller. Um staff development is the same. Q comp that budget plan uh as you recall was over $100,000 negative. It is now uh 43. They took out the classes. It actually didn't even become much of a conversation regarding taking out their AFT or whatever type of classes they called because
089they could not find instructors. So that was and problem solved. Um program initiatives that is actually the same budget plan that we had here um last time and just want to reiterate that we will be moving heavy into math over the next couple of years um as uh we we have done the the reading and language arts side. So now we're moving into our math curriculum. Um technology assigned is the same, activity account is the same. Uh just to note the COVID 19 funds are gone. And while Ben was talking about CO 19, I in my head brought up we had funds school year 21, school year 22, school year 23, and school year 24. So for four years we used co funds to help us balance our budget. Um just just little commentary on
090that is that school many school districts chose spend you could spend that in one year way or two years and most districts did. We basically tried to like spread it out as long as we could and we basically just used that to offset our deficits and our budget. So we didn't like actually use that money to buy new stuff if you will. It just tried to keep us status quo without having to cut. Yeah. So, a general then of course our unassigned category with a long explanation are um list of adjustments. Uh just so you know there are some ads to the adjustment list. uh the technology coordinator we're voting or not buildings and grounds coordinator which is low voting on that position is being uh reduced and then we are um we have some
091students coming in with some needs. So there was some more special ed ads. Michelle, do you happen to know where we are at like kindergarten enrollment? Uh not this week. I did not ask. last the last number I had was like 165 somewhere in the 160s. Okay, thank you. Um so um as I said our revenue is not updated yet for legislative session. So we are at a um I've got the expenses in here but I don't have the updates to the legislative. So our initial um approval for the original budget will show us at a variance of -2.1 in the unassigned area. Uh remember this doesn't take into consideration um chargebacks and like staff development we've got a planned $145,000 chargeback. So that would come off of that 100. So it's just how the
092budgeting works. uh food service. Um we have a plan uh that we we talked about uh regarding spend down there. So that plan is part we only have part of the plan in the first year because there's a lot going on. Uh our combi ovens will be installed in the buildings. Uh we did the high school during the school year and uh the other three buildings will be done this summer. Uh so we will be starting with those new ovens at the start of the school year and we're going to do some intensive training on them because they're they're a pretty nice pretty high tech. Yeah. Yeah, they're very high tech. Um, yeah. I I like I pushed the screen on the one at the high school and it came up. Better not touch anything
093over here. You hit the wrong thing. Something's going to not go right. Um, so that plan is in place. And uh, this includes um our um, this budget also includes uh, they have one more year on their contract. So, we've got an we didn't line item every person yet, but we put in in estimate on how much they would be going up for salaries. Community education uh is is doing quite well. That that budget plan shows a positive um variance and that is good. Um other than we went through we are I would say we are seeing some uh pullback in our um tire club you know our daycare situation you know we we had that big those big increases for a while there and now we're kind of seeing a contraction so that we
094just didn't have enough spaces you think or no no they're not filling I think it got so expensive because our community ed budget is like so added that we have so much extra money there. So, um because we're charging our taxpayers more money to sign up for all their programs and use all their facilities that their taxes pay for. That's why they do stigma for a while in the first week. But yes, you know that stigma around that and that was true. That was that was true. It was it was very, you know, but I also think, you know, co is is long gone and the outside bars have relaxed and there's more of them probably probably. Yeah. uh the building construction plan, that's the plan we've been talking about and the budget um is
095based on a one3 2/3 for the summer kind of you know because June falls in 24 25 and uh part of it are in 25 26. So we kind of do Jake and I just Oh yeah, this one is going to be fall all in 25, but this one is going to be split the one and the 2/3. So you know, It's a bit of a guess. Yes. So probably that's why I like you to approve the projects and not the budgets got to be approved, but the projects are really the most important part of it. And then debt services or house payment and that has not changed. So, Eric, did I I do good there? Did a great job. Which work? Eric, you you're the one that said, "Is anything changed?" Make the motion.
096All right. Much to approve the budget. All right. Motion made by Eric MS. Is there a second? Second. Second by Melissa. Any comments or questions? I have one more comment. My plan would be to have the revised look with the new revenue into finance in July and then we will be voting on that first August meeting. All right. Uh any other questions? Hearing none. All in favor say I. Opposed. Budget is approved. All right. Our last item tonight is a resolution of elimination of position. [Music] All right. There's a motion uh made by Eric Minkx. Is there a second? Second. Second by Eric Strandberg. Any comments or questions on this one? Uh all right. Uh hearing none. All in favor say I. Opposed. All right. That passes. We have no additions to the agenda and
097we don't meet until July 15th. Is there a motion to adjurnn? So move. Motion by Melissa. Is there a second? Second. All in favor say I. All right. Stay fat everybody.