Monroe Township Board of Education 10.17.12 Regular Meeting

001meeting of the Monroe Township Board of Education will come to order please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all may we have a roll call Mr Gorski Mrs kapano here Mr Chella here miss antelis here Mr Braverman here Mr calman here Mr Klein here Mr L here Mr Masters here Mr tesler here Mrs Ferron here Madame board president you have a quorum thank you in accordance with the provisions of the New Jersey open public meetings law the Monroe Township Board of education has caused notice of this meeting to be published by having the date time and place thereof posted October 12th 2012 one at all schools two

002the home News Tribune three the cranberry press and four filed with the clerk of the municipality at this time we will go to our public forum and anyone who wishes to speak please come to the microphone and state your name and address for the record usually we ask you to speak onto the agenda but we will open it for or any questions that you might have so anyone wishing to speak please come to the microphone again we will have uh use our three minute limit excuse me okay seeing no one we will go to the approval of the minutes for the public Board of Education meeting of July 25th 2012 I'm moov Mr Klein there a second second by Mr Kaufman comments or questions all in favor I opposed abstentions Iain on August 25th July

00325th August 25th we're on July 25th oh sorry I thought you did home I apologize I abstained the meeting of the the approval of the minutes for the closed session meeting of July 25th 2012 so move Mr hesler Mr Coffman all in favor I opposed extensions I will abstain so noted the special Board of Education meeting of August 13 2012 I'm Mr Klein Mr kman all in favor I opposed extensions okay seeing none we'll go to the Clos session meeting of August 13 2012 Mr Kaufman second Mr Klein all in favor opposed exensions and we will go to the approval of the minutes for public Board of Education meeting of August 22nd 2012 Mr Klein and Mr Kaufman all in favor opposed extensions none we will go to the special public Board of Education meeting

004of August 25th 2012 I'm move second Mr Klein Mr tesler all in favor I I I opposed abstentions Miss Fon and Mr Kaufman I think that's it at this time we'll go to number seven on our agenda the presentation of the New Jersey top 100 Schools Dr Hamilton uh good evening all um we have a several of our teachers oh I'm sorry we have several of our teachers who are involved in various uh graduate level coursework and and partial fulfillment of that responsibility they often have various projects that they need to work on uh Jackie varacallo is one of our teachers who has a project that she's been working on and has been uh doing some internship and one of the projects we've asked her to look at specifically is um looking at the top

005100 Schools and carefully reviewing some of the data that was provided there because with the the help of of one of our members of the public uh we were able to ascertain that there was Data at our disposal that would have suggested that in many instances we outperformed Stu schools that were listed in the top 100 and some of that criteria changed which resulted in us not being included on that list so with that said I will turn this over now to Mr Goodall and Miss valer callow who will walk us through the 100 Schools presentation thank you Dr Hamilton and thank you to the board for having us tonight um you get to work with some great Educators here at the high school none being better than Jackie varacallo in her short time here

006um when we recruited her out of the College of New Jersey and she was a former student here she's done such an excellent job in the math department you saw her out at the I Falcon store she's really dedicated to the kids in the community here at the high school so it's a pleasure working with her and in her studies to for her to get her master Ms in supervision and administration she has to do an internship with me so knowing some of the conversations that I've been involved with the last nine years with trying to get Monroe uh Township High School in the top 100 making some progress and then rolling back a little bit being a little frustrated her being our AP Statistics teacher as well I asked her to do a study

007so I'm going to turn the mic over to her she has some very interesting information and some food for thought uh to move us forward hello thank you for um listening and so what I did was I took a look at the statistics that were gathered um from from Monro Township High School and all of the schools in our district group factor which is based on economic status the size enrollment and things like that um now I kind of gave you a brief overview in the the slideshow of the researchers how it was studied um and so the researchers was just an independent research company and there was no real link there but I just cited it to give them credit the survey included all New Jersey Public Schools as well as Charter Schools but

008sometimes with the charter schools there wasn't enough information to have them included um so they were just left off the whole list there were three main categories with the analytical process of how our rank was determined um and they were student performance student outcome and student uh environment and what I did in this slide uh these SL um in the upcoming slides was break down these categories into subcategories and see how we ranked in each one when you break it down um you'll find something some things that are really interesting overall so student performance had a weight of 1.5 in the ranking calculation uh it was based on average combined SAT score the percentage of students showing Advanced proficiency on the hespa and students scoring a three or higher on AP tests and since we

009encourage all our students who take AP courses are all required to take the AP exam um that played a factor and we still uh scored consider well and you'll see that in the upcoming slides uh student outcomes was the second and it was equally weighted as a 1.5 um and there was a single score that was calculated based on the graduation rate so they took the number of students who graduated and divided it by the number of students who came in four years earlier as firsttime freshman and then School environment was based on the average class sides the student faculty ratio percentage faculty with Advanced degrees and the number of AP courses that were offered now in 2010 they had a different formula than they have now and actually if you take a look at

010some of the changes that were made it affected a lot of the schools the Milburn Township was Dro dropped from number one which they had been number one since 2008 um they dropped to number eight or 9 on the scale this year based on these changes some of the changes or the 2010 method ology um there were certain you can go to the next slide yeah some of the changes was that now instead of taking a look at how many students go to two-year schools and fouryear schools waiting them differently now they just had that adjusted cohort rate which was the graduation of senior year um to freshman year uh the enrollment also there was an increase waiting on test scores and the biggest change that probably impacted us was the availability of Technology They

011removed that category from the student environment so now overall in 2012 we ranked number 20 out of 44 District group Factor FS schools so what I decided to do was take a look at the schools who scored higher than we did and how we ranked in each one of the subcategories within each category and that was just all of the data that was there that I used to compile this so when I looked at student performance we ranked fifth for the average combined SAT score with an average of 1540 the percentage of students who showed Advanced proficiency on the hesel language was a 26.7% that was ranked ninth out of 20 students showing Advanced proficiency on hespa math was 27.3% which was ranked eth and the percentage of students earning a three or higher on

012the AP test was ranked fourth and this is just highlighting where we stood and with the scores okay now taking a look at student outcome this was the graduation cohort rate and we ranked third among the top 20 and in school environment we're going to see some of the most prominent um things that will basically stand out to you and say oh okay so if you take a look at average class size we have an average class size of 26.6 students per class we were ranked 20th out of 20 um if you take a look at the student faculty ratio we have an average of 8.9 students to one faculty member and that we were ranked second um and the other factor that we were ranked 20th was the percentage of Faculty with Advanced degrees

013at 41.6% um and lastly the number of AP test offers we' ranked first and if you take a look at these especially this slide you'll notice that we have an average of 16 students more per classroom than the rank number one and also if you look at number 19 to number to us at number 20 we have three more students per classroom so class size seem to play a big role in our um being number 20 overall and same thing with the uh faculty now if you notice in each of these categories from the breakdown we scored in the top 10 on almost all of them the only two that we ranked 20th were the class size and the percentage of Faculty with Advanced degrees which indicates two things it either means that the scores

014were so close that those two factors being ranked 20 affected us that much or um the way that the formula calculated these things was kind of out of out of sync with what's really going on since we scored in the top 10 and some cases in the top five um it would seem that two categories being ranked 20th was you know kind of outlandish why we be would be ranked 20th overall when we only SC uh scored 20 in the two categories um so some of the changes that could be attributed to this was the incoming growth of Monroe uh based on the developments that started in 200000 and on we are now hitting that population boom where they're coming through the middle I'm sorry the middle and the high school so now our class

015sizes are increasing um another thing that they took away was the availability of Technology which of course now would have been an extreme beneficial component to our to our score which could have made us even increased further but they took that away um for reasons that they said that uh technology was readily available and the way that uh the budgets were going and things like that they decided to remove it um another thing that was kind of not a direct component but was the grade 12 enrollment if you take a look at the grade 12 enrollment we were ranked number 19 so that and kind of gives you an idea of where we stand among other schools in terms of class size and so so in theory um mono Township High School being one of

016the largest District Factor group of f is working against us if you compare uh to the other schools that are are ranked ahead of us um I know coming in as vice principal nine years ago and then assuming the role of principal uh uh seven years ago this being my eth year um you know we always had discussions about aspiring to be scho like schools around us well with the new configuration and the new way they calculate this some of those schools actually Dro behind us and we're outperforming them so we have made significant increases but I don't know if this is a true validation of what we're doing here at the high school I like the fact that we have the most AP courses offer we're really trying to increase rigor here um there

017were some average SAT score and some of the other outcomes you know it's more of a philosophy of us trying to get all of our students uh College and Career ready so that's you know this is all information for food for thought moving forward and I just want to thank Jackie for providing us with that statistical information and help me kind of analyze what's going on and how that magazine um you know ranks schools that comes out every two years uh the the data that was shown there is actually from our last year in the old high school so we we have uh made some changes and hopefully the next time that they do um the ranking that will improve and get into that top 100 any any questions for for Jackie or Rob thank

018you Jackie very well done thank you okay before we get into the superintendent's report will go into the student board members reports did you write the change in the Clos session good evening ladies and gentlemen several events took place this month there was hespa makeup testing from October 2nd to 4th there was the college fair on October 4th from 6:30 to 8:30 p.m. SATs took place on October 6th at Monro Township High School school was closed for Columbus Day on October 8th um the homecoming football game was October 12th at 7 p.m. PSATs were today October 17th there's a marching band competition on October 20th at 6 p.m. and the fall showcase is from October 25th to 27th at 7:00 p.m. at the high school there is a half day on October 26 26th 26th

019due to staff and service thank you thank you for your report at this time we will go to the superintendent report Dr Hamilton thank you um before I begin my report just want to share a a couple of things with the board first of all this week I had a meeting with representatives from the various planned retirement communities and the purpose of that meeting was to discuss strategies uh that we could use for getting information out into the adult communities and although the um committee the folks who who showed up uh the group was small it it was a very productive meeting we talked about communicating with the public regarding the strategic planning process and how we could get behind the Gates so that everyone was receiving the information that we wanted to share regarding

020their ability to participate in the strategic planning process and the ad hoc committee um we took some some action steps that I think will prove to be very fruitful um we also discussed the various design teams associated with the strategic planning process which we will begin soon the Committees committee chairs will be contacting members who have expressed an interest in the various design teams and those focused questions have also been generated and we'll be uh moving forward with that process very soon also Madam board president you appointed an ad hoc committee uh to look at facilities at for the immediate future which is a little different than the strategic planning process um I need to know if there are board members that you are also appointing to serve on that ad hoc committee and if

021we can get those names that yeah I do have um names um they have volunteered to be on that committee very good thank you um okay moving on to superintendance report the enrollment data is included in your agenda this evening uh draw your attention to our growth from last year to now we're up 154 students um that number is continuing to increase our enrollment for outof district placements show the comparison from uh June to September uh a difference of only one at this point point and our home instruction report which is relatively small for uh the month of September which is pretty consistent with where we are generally this time of year um fire and lockdown drills are listed uh on your agenda in compliance with state law uh moving on to the Personnel report

022Madame board president and members of the Board of Education it is recommended by the superintendent that Personnel Personnel items a through NN be approved by roll call vote second Miss sellis and Mr Braverman are there any comments or questions for Dr Hamilton okay seeing none we'll have a roll call Mr Gorski Mr calman yes to all on CC Charlie Charlie Mr Klein yes Mr Larry yes Mr Masters yes recuse on NN Neil Neil So noted Mr tesler yes Mrs Bron yes Miss antelis yes Mr Braverman yes Mr Chella yes M Fano yes madame board president Personnel items a through NN passes thank you moving on to board action items um Madam board president members of the board um as you know we will be engaged in the Q New Jersey qac review this year one

023of the items on the agenda includes uh approval for the statement of assurance that report is due on November 15 15 with that said Madame board president and members of the board it is recommended by the superintendent that board action items a through n be approved by roll call vote so moved second miss antelis Mr ly are there any comments or questions for Dr Hamilton okay seeing none we will have a roll call Mr Gorski Mr calman yes Mr Klein yes Mr Larry yes Mr Masters yes Mr tesler yes Mrs Fon yes m anelis yes Mr Braverman yes Mr Chella yes Mrs kapano yes mam board president board action items a through M passes thank you and that concludes the superintendent's report thank you then we will go on to the business administrator's report Mr

024Gorski Madame board president and members of the Monroe Township Board of Education it is recommended that board action items a through o be approved by consent roll call move second Gman Mr Masters are there any comments or questions for Mr Gorski Mr Klein I read one of the reports in here about all the uh the repairs that have to be done at the schools whether it be Roes uh boilers what have you and I also read in the newspaper a lot of these other districts are being awarded grant money and we're talking in particular Edison Woodbridge South river that I know from top of my head why aren't we able to get grants for some of these repairs and when they bring up the bid about the the percentage between the amount of students and

025the homes that doesn't hold any water we can't keep doing everything ourselves having our residents pay for everything and get no help from the state there has to be something we can do to get grant money for some of those repairs thank you anyone else seeing no one we will have a roll call Mr calman yes Mr Klein yes Mr liry yes Mr Masters yes Mr tesler yes Mrs Fon yes Miss antelis yes Mr Braverman yes Mr Chella yes Mrs kapano yes madame board president board action items a through o passes thank you that concludes the business administrator's report thank you so we will now go to uh number 10 on the agenda the board president's report and um my report today is going to deal with the topic of District finances and give you

026a little information about our budgets the past couple of years um in the past two years our actual cuts to the budget have amounted to over $3.1 million these Cuts include trailers positions benefits and transportation in addition the dist district has entered into a number of cost-saving initiatives which I'd like to um give you an idea of some of the ones that we've entered into the insurance opt out for single and family employees which are negotiated in our contracts has saved the district $1,490 th000 our insurance carrier change has saved the district $35,000 the refunding of our 2002 series bond in interest savings over the life of the bonds will save the district $1.5 million and the refunding of the 2003 series bonds interest savings over the life of the bonds will save the district

027$2.5 million little bit over um that money will go directly to the taxpayers in tax relief and lowering the tax rate for our residents we are have entered into a purchasing Consortium for all our district supplies which have saved the district $496,000 our Applegarth asbest remediation which we should have done over the summer and we waited until the um winter to do it has saved the district $35,790 the Brookside um new roof on Brookside school which was much badly needed um because we went into asphalt instead of metal it saved our district 400 $9,844 million our Aces being part of the aces energy Consortium has saved us $9,750 because we join in transportation um rout thank you routes with other other towns it has saved us 45,000 $863 voice over IP savings from Verizon has

028saved the district $ 33,200 a sidebar for two less expensive health plans that we offer to our employees has saved the district 35 $34,500 a grant tuition re reallocation instead of salaries have saved us $175,000 a banking RFP and ch of primary relationship saves us $72,000 an autistic and down syndrome in-house program at the high school has has now saved us $300,000 which we try to bring as many programs into our school district as possible instead of sending students of special needs out of District which always saves US money to keep us in District and renegotiating health insurance rates of has saved us 274 4,771 $274,700 1850 th000 to 500 excuse me 900 9,852 and because of these savings we have been able to do a lot of projects in our budget our oper General

029operating budget that we would normally need a referendum for um we have been able to renovate appleg gar school which was badly needed because of the growth on the southern side of town and the Overflow into oak tree school we also renovated Monroe Township High School into the Monroe Township Middle School sending our sixth seventh and eighth graders over there we replaced the roof at at Brookside and we we've done some more small projects that we had not not been able to do previously um also a lot of this money has been used to for tax relief which has lowered the tax rate to our residents um Mr Gorski I don't know if you have anything that you wish to add to that I I think you said that very well um Madam board president

030and uh I would just like to express to the residents that the district engages in every cost-saving initiative possible by sharing costs with other districts by refinancing bond series where applicable by buying supplies and things through consortiums by renovating in-house uh facilities to accommodate an autistic and down syndrome uh classroom which saved $300,000 as opposed to outof District tuition and our transportation department does a fine job reaching out and calling and soliciting other districts who may have routes in our area so that we join in their routes instead of running a bus at a lesser capacity at a much higher cost and we share the route cost based upon the percentage of ridership and as um as Mrs kapano indicated in the last two years the district has entered into cost savings initiatives totaling 9,850

031th000 now that hasn't all been recognized in these two years for example the bond interest goes over the next 20 years but that does save $400,000 a year just by refunding the bond and we'll continue to be very um diligent stewards of your tax dollars thank you at this time we'll go to number 11 committee reports are there any committees that need to report this evening Mr ly fine I'd like to report on two items uh first uh superintendent uh Hamilton and uh board secretary board administrator Gorski have been working very closely with state senator Greenstein they have prepared legislation for her examination and the uh the gist of that legislation is to have municipalities with more than onethird of their population based on the latest United States census be given relief in the form

032of how much they have to pay for education and uh Senator Greenstein is showing great interest in this uh she has uh significant uh tenure in the state senate and we'll see how that goes and we'll be of active assistance to them in any way shape or form and uh I think that we can probably go across the aisle and get support from both the Democrats and Republicans on this the second thing I'd like to talk about is that that in a number of public meetings uh allegations have been made that we are wild Spenders now for the last seven years I've been the chairman of the finance committee and I take that a significant amount of umage the facts are you go and get this document called comp comprehensive annual financial report it lists

033all the characteristics of Schoolboard and on page 123 they lay out a chart that has the following captions year 2002 to 2011 it has the number of students in 2002 we had about 3,400 students about 2011 we had about 5800 students 67% growth take a look at the general fund that's the the fund that provides everything the teachers the uh bus drivers the maintenance Force everything except the bond of debt went from 40 million to 90 million take a look at that you say wow 128% increase in a decade but when you go and look at what's the cost per student you see a gentle rise the cumulative average growth is 36.7% that's a 3% increase per year that's equivalent really to the Consumer Price Index but remember in that period we operated 89 trailers

034had significant fees to the leasing agency plus they were energy Hogs we had State mandates pouring down our head Amy anelis was talking about them I was talking about my favorite one the harassment and bullying but they come they give us all kinds of requirements in some cases 25 pages long about what does the superintendent have to do what's his timeline and they don't give us a dime when you look at what has happened over the last decade we are a magnificent well operated school district and I'll be more than happy to talk to anybody anywhere anytime Bar None thank you Mr ly does that conclude your report that concludes my report very comprehensive um anyone else um Mr Kaufman sure I hate following John ly uh we had a uh curriculum meeting this evening

035uh I do want to report if in case some folks uh came in tonight we have the if Falcon uh showcase outside highlighting some of the things that are going on in the school district uh well actually in the high school relative to the iPad initiative and how the students are using uh the iPads on a daily basis so I hope everybody has a chance to stop by and talk to the students before they leave which is in a few minutes um they will be here uh for the board meetings I think for the rest of this year correct uh the only thing I might suggest we want to think about changing the times when they come because you have it now from 6: to 7:30 you might want to just make it from 6:30

036to 7:30 only because people might come in a little bit before the board meeting and then they'll be here so they may not be outside you know just want want to adjust the times just so the students can get home and and do whatever that is that they need to do we also reviewed the uh and approved the US History 1 and US History 2 uh that was basically housekeeping we had looked at the information over the summer uh so we're just went ahead and approved those the presentation for the graphic arts uh Julia Buckley came in to give us a little presentation on some of the things that we're working with the graphic arts department which is pretty exciting and uh there will be future discussions on where this program may lead um in

037the future uh there there's quite a capacity uh for doing this type of work here at the high school and uh I think we have an opportunity to uh take a look at taking this uh information to the next level uh we just got a very short briefing on the NJ qack which is coming up in a couple of weeks and we get a folder briefing from Jeff and um I think that's basically it for curriculum did I missed anything I don't think I did right we're good okay hey thank you Mr Kaufman Mr Tesla good going you woke everybody up maybe I'll break this onew I'll try not to try not to break this one too guess I'll have to pay for that um it's part of the uh Personnel committee over the past

038several months uh Dr Hamilton and uh Mr Gorski have been involved in negotiations with the Monro Township Board of Education staff supported Association which is the last bargaining unit in the cycle of uh negotiations I mean the board has um gotten a fact sheet before the meeting and I will now read a motion so if any board members have any questions on it they can do so it is recommended that the Monroe Township Board of Education approve the collective negotiations agreement between the Board of Education and the monra Township Board of Education support staff Association for the period from retroactively July 1st 2012 through June 30th 2015 agreement in the form previously submitted the board president and the business administrator slbo secretary as the attested witness are hereby authorized and directed to sign the aforementioned

039agreement Additionally the business administrator slbo secretary is here hereby authorized and directed to take all steps necessary to implement this action of the board of education is SAR a second second by Mr Kaufman any comments or questions seeing none we'll have a roll call Miss anelis so noted Mr Braverman Mr Chella yes Mrs Fon yes Mr calman yes Mr Klein yes Mr Larry yes Mr Masters yes Mr tesler yes Mrs kapano yes Madam board president motion passes thank you are there any other committees that need to report out okay seeing none we will go to uh number 12 is there any business by any member of the Board of Education this evening Mr Klein I'm going to try to make this as short as possible it seems at the last meeting the last board meeting

040there was some comments made by certain board members stating that the uh Township Administration has done absolutely nothing to help this school district I received a couple of calls from Council president Tim bro and Wayne Hamilton the business administrator stating that those statements were totally totally wrong I met with them and I have a listing here that will explain everything the township has done the oak tree School the township gave and I don't want anybody trying to correct me on it I'm giving you what I was given I'm only on the board three years most of this took effect before me the township provided 30 acres of land for the oak tree school this was this land was a result of a developers agreement which required the develop to donate land for the township use

041by doing this it cuts down the amount of homes a builder can build mro Township High School the school district be began a land search to locate over a 100 acres to build a new school and athletic facilities there were no suitable Parcels that were large enough and the district could not afford the purchase help was requested from the administration to secure a location and it was determined that the current location was best suited because of the shared athletic facilities the original land and building design for the high school was to be set on 35 Acres but a small special interest group delayed the process objecting to Diversion land proposal on a premise that the site was a native Indian Church ground um it cost the township I'm skipping over a lot of this it

042cost the township to have the litigation a ological teams to check out the burial ground it cost the township $750,000 the the solution required the township to set aside five acres of the previous 35 Acres of the school site for further orological study in addition to swapping another 175 acres of land and paying $500,000 to relocate the soccer fields if you remember the soccer fields used to be right where the high school is all this is paid for by the administration not the district the new high school is where it is as result of the Township's initiative and partnership with the school district it might be of interest to you that there are sidewalks in front of the new high school and from Schoolhouse Road up pinville Road and down Prospect PL Prospect Plains Road

043to the previously met mention soccer fields the extension of the sidewalk the sidewalk was because the township saw a need to make it safer for the school children to walk to the traffic controlled intersection at pinville Road and Pros Plains Road this cost the township $36,000 um as you can see Monroe Township's Administration has been in the Forefront in aiding the school district to meet the demands for expansion of the schools while limiting the number of houses de devel developer can build by requiring them to donate land to the open space inventory and then making some of the land available to the school district much of the newal construction is from developments that were approved in the 1990s the district has had more than a decade to prepare for any increases in student population now

044I can attest to this because I'm on a zoning board and I also attend planning board meetings and I see what has has been approved and when it's been approved and many times they get approval 5 years 8 years in the past and all of a sudden all of a sudden they want to start to build um if it's if it's within um an approved area for homes it goes right to the planning board and there really is when they apply for it there really is nothing you can do to turn it down as long as they meet everything that's in the plans so I can attest to what is said here is true I have mentioned at meetings in at least the last two years that I'm on the board the amount of new

045developments that have been approved by the planning board and or zoning board that are all family oriented not age restricted which is that was the case probably the the prior 10 years so that's all I have to say is they have helped us and they have helped us greatly and they shouldn't be put out to dry thank you thank you Mr Klein anyone else Mr Masters thank you don't be shocked yeah don't give me that thing I just want to talk a little about the air quality uh it's not bad give me in here so there was a lot of um I guess very colorful emails that went back and forth about the air quality Apple guard and most of it arose from the September 6 findings where we had eight classrooms L can you

046talk into your microphone that's not that one I was trying before I thought you you intentionally gave me that one no I did so I look just as bad um and I guess there was there was a comments column and this is what actually what shocked me um where how you Rectify a carbon dioxide issue in a classroom is to open the windows so what I did what any educated person would do and I've looked it up and actually shockingly that's what they recommend that the state and the federal level um anything over a thousand parts per million in a school it's actually Less in an office which is a little odd uh and they recommend checking your air flow checking your air flow first and then open the windows which I think is a

047shocking thing uh they also have a footnote that says then you might also infer or have issues with thermal variance which means it gets cold in the classroom during the winter um but they don't tell you how to fix that them great right so they pass the buck again so again I just I'm trying to be a neutral party in this and I guess just shed some light on it the, 1100 parts per million is called a surate for human Comfort but not considered a health risk now that is actually I looked that up and that's not Dr Lynch saying that that's OSHA p oia no oia and the United Federation of teachers um now there's some issues with it should be only 600 parts from million above above your outside air and things like

048that fine but that seems to be and I I can give anybody this paperwork that I looked up if you really want to read it it's exciting um really exciting that seems to be what they're recommending is it good is in my opinion is that a good not really I think we should have lower or better air quality but that's all I want to say about that uh a couple of things I do want to hit upon though um I just want to be we have to be aware that certain that says it a lot in a lot of the paperwork is certain people kids or even adults are very sensitive to uh Indo air quality fluctuations and I think we should be very aware and sensitive to that that we might have to I

049guess accommodate people uh that's one two I think we should make sure the nursing staff is aware of these issues and actually what OSHA tells you to do is not only record all your incidents record location of incidents so you can tell if there's a hot spot in your building I think we should start doing that and I'll bring this up at the buildings and ground so we can make it official um and they also suggest if you have issues like this with classrooms that are extremely high you have a couple um before you open the windows that you do a regular scheduled IAQ on those and they sell these um these logging devices about $200 you stick in a classroom and it beeps if the air quality goes over a certain amount I'm sure

050we can get the PTA to pay for something like that oh she's not here she'll see it on the video um but yeah I anticipate discussing this further at the next build you know talking at the next buildings and grounds meeting I I think it's something worth discussing but I also trying to just um kind of calm everybody down with this that's all I have to say and I believe that in tonight's um agenda we approved an IAQ coordinator at appleg guard yes so hopefully that'll help things I had something to that if I may Mr Klein when we spoke about reopening Apple goth after everything was done about the uh carbon dioxide the water and as best this the whole nine yards I made a statement and the statement was unless that school is

051100% perfect that I would never have voted to have the school opened we're finding now that even though it may uh meet oosha and Pia and no oia and c oia and all that if we're borderline in other words if we're up here where we should be if this is what they want as minimal and we're here fine but if we're sitting here here that's not a safe situation and if it's only a matter of a certain amount of classrooms there's got to be something we can do to make them totally safe and compliant I don't I said also at that time that I felt safe that if Mike grandchildren were to go to that school I would be perfectly happy with that and safe but if this is what's coming out on the tests

052it has to be addressed now they have to locate the areas and do what we have to do to get that to the upper level of what they want not the lower level so that's just my comment okay thank you anyone else Miss antelis which one wait that's the good one we let him touch it yeah I know don't touch just want to make a couple of comments in regards to Mr Klein statement um I was one of the board members who talked about the township last meeting and I didn't say that they didn't do anything but they're not doing enough yes we have worked with them well Wayne Hamilton excellent business administrator works with our administrator worked well with Wayne holiday over the years when budgets were defeated great negotiations they tried for both

053sides where the disappointment is is the builders coming into this town building million dooll homes hundreds of Condominiums and no one from this board is sitting on the planning board um I believe Mrs COA Pano I asked you to send a letter to the mayor I have not done that yet I will be doing that we need to be there things need to change developers cannot keep coming into our town building houses making millions of dollars and walking out of here and putting the responsibility on the backs of us the taxpayer the time has come Mr Klein you said they've just approved developments if you really want to build here start giving toour schools the 30 Acres was wonderful it did it saved the taxpayers millions of dollars it's not enough if you want to

054build in Monroe you must do something for the schools I know it's illegal I've told people that year after year but when I start opening the newspaper seeing that other towns are doing it you know what if you want to build here and you don't like our impact fees don't build here go somewhere else but they know they want to be here people want to move to this town they want to move here with the school so uh Mr Tambora I apologize I I know that you have worked very hard with the school um the TV studio one example a great place we have two of them now yes we have worked well but it's not enough there needs to be a big impact and it needs to be with those Developers anyone else Mr

055lry uh it's a stateof the law I have a very good friend who's the superintendent for South Brunswick and he worked for many years in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania and in Pennsyvania as a matter of right planning board members have school board members and they in effect almost have a veto power the lobbying organization for the real estate organizations of New Jersey have built a wall against that type of uh behavior and so what we really need is political action of the a strong strong political action because uh if you know we can nudge people and uh suggest people but hey if it gets to be push com the shove time they have the right as it stands right now to come in and don't give you a nickel and uh you know it gets

056to be how good a negotiator you are whereas in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania you say uh Pony up 30 Acres or you're not going to get the uh clearance to go forward so it's political action time Mr Klein couple of things first of all what Amy said is absolutely right um in the paper this past week they had a breakdown of Piscataway uh something with the school system and they had a liaison person from the council that sat on a board of education exactly what Amy said is true is and I sered this purpose because I voiced even though I had I did it as a resident not as a board member and you'll notice that if you listen to any of the tapes is um argued against some of the development because of the

057increase in children um what Amy said is very true there should be somebody from the planning from the uh board ofed on the planning board to be able to voice the impact that these developments have on our school system now here's one that's really going to flip you the Sol act solo act was about two years ago um basically was an ACT written by Senator solo the idiot um where they would allow Builders who applied and received permission to build prc's age restricted communities and if they did not take a deposit they had a right to go back to the board that approved it whether it be the zoning board or the planning board and asked to have it converted to a family community I testified as a resident against one of the big Builders

058and that was haban their original plan was 30 350 homes age restricted of which 70 were going to be affordable housing I testified against it I basically question them until they put their foot in their mouth and when I brought up the bit about the impact on the schooled population I was cut short by their attorney according to the state you cannot use the increase in in student population to turn down the application to shorten my story is they wind up voting it down they came back with a another application which cut everything by more than half so they kept 130 some odd age restricted homes the 70 affordable homes the money for that went elsewhere for affordable housing and I think we wind up with 129 family if you take the average of two

059per you you're talking roughly 260 kids right after that you had McDade Renaissance properties their original application in front of the zoning board was 135 AG restricted homes they came in asked for conversion I had to recuse myself because they used the same Attorney and did not want me to testify though I asked people to ask the same questions I asked and it was not done and it was approved so you had 130 there is another 260 kids where you going to put them and that's from the state and that's the state that doesn't want to give us our rightful share of money but they can load up kids into our schools seille about a year and a half ago there was a building that was going to build um I think it was a

060development of over 2,000 homes it was going to be condos and Tow houses and so on as I remember the Builder donated 8 or10 million to go towards the schools something that I did say at a council meeting and I will repeat it again at the next meeting I go to I don't know whether you're allowed to do it you're not allowed to do it because the state steps in every Builder that wants to build family homes in this community should pay towards the schools period cut and dry and I'm sick and tired of listening to the crap that comes from the state that only favors what they want for their private interest groups and don't give a damn about the taxpaying residents or their children those are the facts right on anyone else on

061the board only three just one more thing to say and sort of aiming this at our governor um we all know what's going on we know that the governor was uh on a radio show a lot of people called in about the tax increase calls to the governor's office and there was an investigation what I don't understand was when the governor cut 95% of our funding and our res and our parents and our board were sending things to the state why was there no investigation then when surrounding districts were not cut the same thing as Monroe and they knew it I believe the superintendent tried to meet with the governor's office and he got an aid why was there no investigation then Mrs foni um just piggybacking on funding last meeting I read a statement

062um detailing what Jamesburg has paid to Monroe in tuition in um transportation over the years and our current um funding um still had two community members come up and question um what we owed so I can only attribute that to either posturing or not paying one bit of attention to my statement um we're at a crossroad now where the debt service is is an issue and as I stated at the last meeting um Jamesburg has a very small budget and I find it appalling that the state it completely ignores the fact that our k to8 um program has had to give up extracurricular activities Sports uh librarian computer teacher because they do not the system is flawed and the um ability to give a small District enough money to provide those um they are not

063luxuries they are Necessities in in 2012 so um unless the state comes up with a better plan to fund Monroe the additional uh Debt Service Jamesburg does not have it we have paid what we have at the cost of the KDA District um without bankrupting the town or the school district we cannot give that additional money and it it's appalling to men that they cannot come up with this money to either give Monroe directly or give it to us to give to Monro so there's discrepancies and and um just terrible usage of money all throughout the state anyone else Mr Tesla thank you uh just a question for Mr Klein I I heard the uh the discussions over many years about uh uh having Builders contribute money and it being illegal and if other towns

064are doing it maybe I know you have contacts you talk to people how do they get away with it without you I have to find out I would love to know that Mr Klein I'm sorry here can I speak no I'm trying to do it legally I'm going to speak to council president tamboro and Wayne Hamilton to find out my understanding was listening to applications in front of the planning board that certain things that they would ask a developer to do was illegal by the state in other words the politicians can do everything they want to do most of which is illegal but when you want to do something to help the residents you can't do it what I want to find out is if there is AED States they cannot ask a developer to

065pay towards the schools which I think is asinine who made up that LA and when you look at some of these these restrictions that we have from the state they make no sense and that's only one instance of protecting the developers we can go back to the original Abbot decision and the Abbott decision was no excuse me Mount Laurel decision was to to force the towns to break their minimum lot requirements so where I lived in East Brunswick the smallest lot was a quarter of an acre but go out to Bernardsville or Basking Ridge where some of your Supreme Court Justices live and they have two AER 3 Acre 5 acre so that uh Mount Laurel decision was made for and designed for the developer to build cluster housing tow houses condos where instead of

066having if it's quar of an acre four homes per acre they could put 25 or 30 homes per acre and that's what created our problem originally in overcrowding and now you have it with the solo act so uh it's it's a bad situation but I will find out by the next meeting I'll have that information for you thank you Mr Kaufman um yeah just real quick I know it's getting late um because the the the topic this evening is is Board of Education funding I thought I'd bring up something that really wasn't addressed by uh the budget cuts that we've been doing over the past few years uh because a lot of you are new to the board meetings and haven't been regular uh attendees or or may not have even seen this on Channel

06728 but one thing I wanted to bring up two is the fact that we have Enterprise funds here in the district what that means is we have different parts of our community here that generate money for the district and are self- sustaining one of them is the food services that we have here that come out of this building this building generates enough food for our elementary schools as well as going out of District to other locations Lear Academy learning and where else Academy learning one of the things that we are constantly looking to do is look for opportunities to have Enterprise fund which again is a way to make money keep in mind we are a nonprofit so we are quite Limited in that fashion but we have the Basque program which is something that

068we're getting a piece of now and as was brought up by Amy uh I I agree with Amy 100% I I think in a couple of years we will be able to assume that control and and reap all of the profits and all of the money that comes in through that and expand the services we had requests from the parents at that time to to carry over on days when the school is closed on days when the school is on holiday so I think there's a lot of opportunity for us to to basically change the rules of engagement right we have a lot of expenditures but to a certain extent where we can I think we've demonstrated over time that we will turn up every possibility to look to make money for the district which

069of course will lower the um the debt that we have to pay with respect to the uh the budget so just keep that in mind too uh we do a lot of these other things that are kind of not normal I mean Mecca is another example of uh where we have a service to our teachers to provide uh in House daycare and that lowers our cost too because we don't have to pay for Subs teachers come back to school faster so it is actually not just a service to our own but it's also a way that we can help lower costs over time to win-win well yeah but people don't like win-win all right so that's just another uh thing to keep in mind we're going to keep giving out information like this so everybody

070can be a a very informed consumer as far as how this Board of Education Works hey is there anybody else Mr Masters now we have a speech about ASB bestus no it's more positive thing I just wanted to recognize a teacher uh oak tree has given out its first ever Golden Apple award for teaching Excellence to Christina adio I just want to tell her she did a great job it's a big deal for her she's very excited about it so on a more positive note so nice anyone else okay seeing no one um we will go to close session resolution beat resolved that the Board of Education of the township of Monroe hereby moves to go into Clos session in accordance with Sunshine Law chapter 231 of the public laws of 197 5 njsa 10

071col 4-6 through 10 col 4-21 to discuss the following subjects legal legal advice on an employment issue Personnel baseball investigation student matters harassment intimidation and bullying incidents one and two the discussion conducted in closed session can be disclosed to the public at such time as the matters have been resolved Mo Mr Kaufman and who was see Mr tesler um all favor I I opposed as extensions at this time the board will move into Clos sessioned these are the minutes induction at this time the Board of Education will reconvene into public session and we will go to number 14 on the agenda the public forum anyone wishing to speak please come to the microphone and state your name and address for the record and at this time we will adhere to our three minutes okay yes

072uh good evening my name is Joe calucho 20 Ashley Court uh Monroe Township I'm part of a group uh we've been here before Monroe citizens for responsible government um a couple of things I wanted to talk about one uh to Mr doc to Dr Hamilton uh he recently put a rebuttal in the home news uh and he rebutted a uh an article written uh by Deborah Schneider primarily she was talking uh about um the school system and he took offense to what she said but what happened here was that he also went on to talk about groups um and and I included ourselves in that group because we had been very vocal uh and he said that I generally do not respond to criticisms of our work and ideal since I am of the opinion

073that expending energy on trying to correct misinformation creates distractions so he didn't went on to say that however I am growing weary of the constant misrepresentation of facts perpetuated by those who manipulate the freedom of speech to promote a hidden agenda and again I took a little bit of a to use Mr L's word ombrage on this because there are no hidden agendas when we come before the board we're pretty open on what we want to talk about then anyone out to say we do not we do not have the right simply by virtue of our citizenry to say whatever we want we do it's called the First Amendment we do say whatever we want and we say it obviously we're not supposed to offend anybody but nonetheless a lot of times things are offensive

074but guess what we can still say it because we do have a First Amendment and then he goes on to say that this Miss Snider I don't know who she is went on to um uh talk about things that she didn't mention that the good things that the board does and he said I know that there are some who may think our students would be fine chiseling on a stone tablet in one room School houses we never said that we said we were pro-education we said we would wish and this is a quote you spend all the money on education and we made that very clear in everything that we've ever said and then he said in fact it was welcome and encouraged that it he doesn't like to have rude disc discourteous attacks that

075stray from the very less we were taught in kindergarten that you speak to others the way you'd want them spoken now it's great that you want to take The High Ground after you've insulted all of us but all I can say is that what we talk about is cutting wasteful spending when Mr liry earlier said something about that it's only been about 3% increase per child over the last 10 years and that's keeping up with CPI Mr Larry CPI is at 1.3% not 3% but nonetheless using your numbers over that same period of time our taxes have gone up 100% that ratio is not good so when we talk about our cost going up three but cost to the people in this room going up 100% that's a huge increase so all I can say

076in closing is that yes there are things that get heated sometimes there are things that are emotional because they deal with people's lives and we need to have you cut spending not 9 million you cut spending to the point of what we can afford that's how you cut spending you don't just cut it and say 9 million you got a $9 million budget that's 10% any one of us could go back into our house household and easily cut 10% out of everything we do without any problem at all com okay so what we need you to do is continue to work on spending and when we write articles like this yes we can get offended by that as well thank you Mr C Mr C I'm sorry C luo let me respond to that please

077okay um firstly you're your the group that you represent has been very respectful and the discourse has been um in my opinion very professional um so my reference while while your group has been the most public group there are many groups who are not as public so I really was not referring to your group quite frankly you see how we could understand that since we were the mo we we've been in front of you the most in the last couple of months you have but there are many groups who don't come to a board me to communicate through to me through other means pto's emails letters things of that sort so I actually really wasn't referring to to your group quite honestly um however that being said the the rebuttal was really to get information

078out that needed to be in my estimation that needed to be be out and while I agree with you that we all have a First Amendment right I do think we have to exercise some responsibility in making sure that when we report things particularly when they are reported publicly and televis for example that the information is accurate I think we have some responsibility to do that nobody can make you do that of course but I do think that as as when when I sit at this table and I'm representing the district I have an obligation to the board and to the students of this district and to the staff members to make sure that we are making sure that our public gets the full picture and when articles like that are written and they do

079not represent the full picture I have an obligation to do that so that was the intent of my letter was not an attack on your group quite frankly in fact if all groups came the way your group has I'd be fine okay cuz we talked about the iPads at at probably at nuseum but the point was that was a 4 million whatever way you want to talk about soft course hard course over periods of time it was $4 million you know there are plenty of things that go on in in the way we spend money and we don't say don't spend money we say think about it before you spend money make sure you have it and quite frankly if we didn't have $4 million to spend on iPads you know books have been working

080for about 150 years right now and maybe more we could still use books and maybe wait another couple years for the iPads that's the way I looked at it thank you furi walfish uh 169 Valencia in Renaissance on 33 uh I want to thank you for the cost cutting efforts of $9 million over two years which makes it a 5% reduction because it's two years but aside from that I'm a former budget analyst for the United States custom service we budget with 15 billion dollar so I know a little bit about budgeting and I noticed uh in almost all your actions uh tonight you authorized this you authorize that but in not one time did you discuss the budgetary impact of those actions for example authorizing the uh the contract negotiations you did not give

081uh budget uh parameters in authorizing uh the uh the leave and everything else which I understand has to be done because you have a contract to do it but under no circumstances there where you discussing the budgetary impact of it telling each other okay in order to do this we're going to have to offset this we're going to have to do something take another action and you did not look you did not uh appear to be considering what we're all saying the budgetary impact on US citizens as to the I appreciate and W the the uh the county for making those um contributions which if they didn't do they'd probably be sued and it would cost them a lot more money so I'm not impressed with those uh things so what I'd like you to

082do in your when you're making a presentation uh and and telling people oh we're going to do this and this and this to also include the budgetary impact and uh tax consequences for those of us out here I appreciate your time thank you very much thank you my name is Manny Silverman uh 8C Ingram Drive Monroe Township New Jersey in Concordia I'd like to address two two people on two on one on one different issue per each of them first we'll do Mr lirry Mr lry you said that you saved nine uh something million dollars over the last two years I didn't say that I think that came out of my report yeah that you you were reading off the uh that was me yeah you said we you somebody said page 123 I understand

083but okay on your report I thought you were dealing talking about the same thing she was no okay you said we saved 9 million uh $9.2 million for the last two years I'll give you an extra $ 800,000 so you saved $10 million over the last two years I'd like to know how come in each of those two years my uh school budget part of my uh tax my real estate tax which I don't understand that and I never did but it's in everywhere you go hasn't gone down if you saved all this money where did all this money go Mr borski would you like to respond to that certainly that's it's a very very good question um kids number one as Dr Hamilton mentioned in the enrollment report the district's growing uh about 250

084new students a year so if everything was stagnant as far as growth the estimates that we could enact cost savings measures of 3% % 5% whatever you want to choose might be plausible but when you're adding on all the extra fiscal responsibility of educating new students new books new supplies New teaching staff um as well as inflation with everything else that goes on um that creates a automatic increase to the budget just by um enrollment $3,750 th000 of the budget this year was just due to new enrollment growth so you know again I can appreciate the fact of of cost savings measures apply to a flat stagnant budget just like a corporation might be that had no increasing sales or decreasing sales but our enrollment is increasing steadily and uh that's that's a great strain

085on the district number two um taxes is a separate function other than just uh budgetary and spending the tax levy that's uh approved by the board every year is shared among the rable base throughout the the township and it's really as simple as uh you know ordering a pizza and splitting it with eight people your rate is you know 1/8 of the pizza but when the rable base decreases that pizza price stays the same but three people leave the table so everybody's rate increases automatically in other words if the district had no additional appropriation spending and we had an absolute flat budget regardless of the enrollment increase that I mentioned before with a decreasing rateable base like like we've had in the last two years of 78 million in 1213 and 70 million in 1112

086the tax rate automatically is in going to increase between five and six cents so that's that's one of the factors that we've had to uh really struggle with the other one is state aid and I know everybody's getting fatigued with that topic but quite frankly the state has its own model for funding school districts and according to that model the Monroe Board of Education should have over $9 million of state aid instead we get 2.6 million why because of a wealth equalized formula that reduces um equal um Equalization Aid because of income per pupil and also property wealth per pupil and the other one is called categorical Aid they give you a fixed rate times the number of students in various category special ed and so on but even that fair amount that's not based

087on wealth is reduced because of over adequacy status so if Monroe was to receive even what the state's own model determines what we should have we would have a school tax decrease not an increase these are the two biggest variables that are affecting your taxes okay I I agree with part of you and that leads me to my next person but I want to uh correct what what I believe is an error in your uh math we shouldn't be getting 9 million we should be getting closer to 29 million I'm comparing and I'm comparing it to Oldbridge and and I'm and I probably can compare it to half the towns in this state nobody is getting $2 million Colts Neck is richer than us I will bet you Colts Neck gets more money than we

088do and they and they and they make us look like impoverished everybody and they make get more money so I don't understand what you're talking about this goes to my next thing the young lady here said well they took away what was it 95% of our uh help or our Aid or whatever you want to call it% of our state fund well whatever you want to call it it's Aid State funding call it what you want that goes to everything this gentleman said and when you said well go do what you can you want me to go to Trenton and talk to Christie get me an appointment you said well you're gonna have to go do something about it who's the you it's not what I said I said that why isn't the governor having

089an investigation into it well because if you and the council and Al and Linda Greenspan and our Congress people all got together and maybe made some noise maybe we could get something like that try Mr Silverman yes we have been making quite a bit of noise and we've had several meetings at the state level with legislators uh campaign uh letter writing uh petitions have been out we have done and including having consultation with uh the Ed Law Center about feasibility of filing a lawsuit and we've tried to be very public about how we report that information so that our taxpayers our citizens would know that we are not just taking this this lightly and we are fighting a a very hard battle but we are fighting it so I assure you that we have not

090been sitting idly by are you doing it in unison I hate to tell you your job but you have to do it together you can't have a meeting with them with four of your people and three and and Toro with two of his people and four with three of his people you got to go in as a united front that's why we're getting shafted if you go in as united front and care what the citizens and residents get as united front maybe that works cuz evidently your way hasn't worked in what 15 years because they took it away before I got here and I'm here seven years so it's not just now they just didn't take the 95% away the day before yesterday they took it away pre seven years ago so evidently the fight's

091not working maybe you need new trainers but you're not but it's not succeeding we should have had some Su some success in our fight if you did it the right way evidently you're not and you can tell me why this is because I can't figure it out okay thank you but I just want to say that recently the Board of Education and the township got in U Mike Mr gors is going to report on that met with our uh Senator Greenstein so we had the board and the township working together with our Administration um for the government uh Mr Larry reported on that before and I'll just have Mr Gorski give a a quick summary of that again I'm going to go through this as quickly as possible but I think I'll I'll touch on

092the Crux of the matter um the the figurative information that you compared to before about other districts about the distribution of Aid we have a chart on that and you're absolutely right the figure that I was referring to 9 million is the state's own funding model what they they calculate that what we should receive um but but that's their model and they they base the model Upon A District's ability to afford its own Education costs Monroe in the state's opinion can support its own cost of education and the state will afford you the opportunity to pay for their that's a quote from the State Department of Education so and cold snck a lot quicker we can and I can go on to many more so if you give me these things I cut you up

093because that let me finish let me finish the districts that can can't afford a thorough and efficient education on their own and can't afford their adequacy budget the state distributes more Aid too now what what the board of education has done and Dr Hamilton and I have put a lot of research and time into this is we we looked at all the different Avenues of how we can get more funding for our district what's the most feasible way that will be um approved by the state that has the best shot of getting us the most money and what we're proud to have delivered to Senator Greenstein last week was actual legislation that we wrote and it stems around the following prior to the school funding Reform Act of 2008 school districts got an extra type

094of Aid it was called senior supplemental stabilization Aid and what that means is districts with a high percentage of senior citizens age 65 years or older got an additional $500 a student for extra Aid that would be $3 million for our district but what the legislation that we're writing because of failed efforts by other assembly and Senate bills to try to get something similar through is a little different what we're saying and we've reported this very clearly and we've made traction and I'll explain that in a minute is that a district with one-third population according to the last census of of Resident 65 years or older we request that the state fully fund their own model model for for financing schools what that would do is give Monroe $9.5 million of aid from the state's

095own report instead of amle $2.6 million that's not on par with some of the averages you discussed before but it's a great start and this Aid is designed to go against the tax levy to help seniors who are hurting very badly in this economy Senator Greenstein thought this was a wonderful legislative proposal she's going to recommend amended to Senator Sweeney he's the Democratic uh Powerhouse in Trenton Senate and and we're asking actually uh as Mr lirry mentioned before we're asking the support from the community to uh to write to Senator Greenstein and Senator Sweeney and ask their support for passing this legislation because this will help the seniors more than anything else that we can um come up with at this time and I'll be happy to you could have this and take this and

096read this at your leisure and we've also just for the record delivered petitions to uh Governor Christie Senator Greenstein Senator Benson assembly mangelo and commissioner surf um with 1100 signatures on our petition regarding this issue only 1100 signatures is that including the computer W and everything that that includes the folks who signed the comp computer the only thing it does not include is a separate petition that was taken up in the Rossmore development that was delivered separately and I don't know how many signatures were on there I delivered 125 signatures okay what's that what's our population in Monroe Township 4,000 people 11 you're kidding that's what I'm talking about I'm talking about getting it out to the people and you have a and you have a talked about it at our last board meeting and

097we also advertised it on the on our website um alert now PTO it's not something we could go door too and ask people to do that um but we we've tried to get it around to the community that's 2% thank you is there anyone else from the public hi Karine Ms n Michaela Court things one I want to publicly thank Dr Hamilton um when my oldest son was in third grade was he he was in first grade he had 30 children in his class this year my second son only has 22 and the difference it has made across the first grades being that I'm in school a lot of days um it's tremendous and I'd like to thank you and I know a lot of people want to cut things but that has made a

098huge difference from 30 children down to 22 in a class I appreciate that thank you secondly Mrs scurby isn't here tonight but she asked me to read this on behalf of her in the PTA so I'm sorry that I cannot be here tonight as head of the oak tree Applegarth PTA I wanted to let you know that we have had a great response to our petition to ensure funding is not cut from the upcoming school budget although Monroe has seen an increase in taxes it is important to realize that it was not caused in part by the Board of Education school budget the oak Tre Applegarth PTA is committed to helping fund programs and services that are outside the budget however even we have limits on behalf of the PTA we will be sending a

099copy of the petition once we are done collecting signatures please remember that our children deserve a proper education not one designed by individuals solely looking for tax cuts we are an upand cominging District please do not let it get destroyed thank you that's all thank you thank you Miss Masters uh may make an observation Mr Larry we'll hold it till after public forum fine go ahead hi good evening JY deide to Northwind Court um I just had a question about Applegarth school I was in the school it actually looks really great I'm really impressed with um how it looks however it's my understanding according to a recent air quality test that there are some classrooms that are still high in CO2 levels um I was just wondering what is your long-term plan if any to

100change that for those rooms with those very high um CO2 levels and um if the current protocol is to open the windows what is going to happen in the upcoming cold winter months thanks got um ma'am with with regard to your first question about the CO2 levels and and what can the district what is the district required to do about it first of all according to Dr Lynch elevated CO2 levels are not hazardous to humans it's not the optimal situation for allowing fresh air flow and that's all CO2 is is a gauge of how much fresh air flow is entering the building um according to poosha if ele if elevated levels exceed a th000 um units that their prescribed remedy is to open the window that's that's according to piia and that's delineated in Dr

101Hamilton's Applegarth letter that's posted on our website um matter of fact some residents actually called Piha and asked them to come out and do their own inspection which they won't do because uh won't respond to uh individuals or you have to be a staff member or official okay but is that for adults or for children because the the research shows that CO2 levels heightened decreases um concentration causes headaches like things like that in adults so the concern is these are children and they're in a in a situation where they need to concentrate so that's my concern piia is it is it a standard met for children because obviously they're different uh yes yes it is it is consideration for children and as a matter of fact I'm reading right from Pia's um uh excerpt here

102carbon dioxide CO2 is a gas that is exhaled by building occupants because the gas is generated in an occupied building as a byproduct of normal human respiration it is a convenient gas to measure as an indicator of the amount of outside air exchange if CO2 concentration exceeds 1,000 parts per million the employers are required to ensure that the system is operating as designed the standard does not require employers to modify or upgrade existing systems to achieve this range okay so with that regard we have um inspected our systems with a professional outside firm they're operating as they're designed and in fact the ballasts that open and close for allowing air flow are 100% open allowing maximum air flow into the building now the window opening according to the county office is also a very effective

103means for allowing fresh air flow in the building okay and with regard to the the winter comment that you men mentioned um my understanding of Applegarth and and Dr Gorman can come in on this also is that with that old uh boiler in the building it tends to run rather warm uh naturally so teachers in the past had opened Windows just to make it a little less arid in the room and um I don't think we'll be facing a problem where anybody is is cold and we we have requested um a visit from Piha and they will be coming unannounced unscheduled um and they will be making any recommendations that they think are appropriate at that time I really appreciate it thank you Doug po excuse me Doug PO for tamarak Lane Road excuse me

104in Regency uh I've gone to the trouble once again to uh work up my comparative study of Monroe versus other districts in various cost categories on a per pupil basis and I'd like to share that with the board uh since you are uh soon beginning to uh develop budget uh it might be informative it might not but uh I did spend quite a bit of time doing this this is the third year so uh it'll look very much like it has in the past it's just been updated with the latest information that's available from the State website and then I have several questions on the agenda these are basically things that uh I didn't understand and I feel that there's possibly other people in the public that didn't understand them on page 20 item H

105and some of this is going to be mundane I do apologize for that but uh I I I I do have some questions about either understanding or in this in particular item h i see that we are approving once again the Retta Stone uh language program and I would assume that that's for uh instruction in Spanish uh in the elementary program uh I I don't know when we started doing that I think maybe it was this past year or this year was the first time we started using Rosetta Stone couple years ago couple years ago when we had okay uh has the district done any kind of study to determine the effectiveness of that because I know in speaking with one of my grandchildren who used to love Spanish she finds it completely boring and

106she doesn't feel as if she's learning anything at all uh and I'm just passing that on as an anecdote but my question is has the board really looked to see whether or not that program is working for our children as opposed to having a live teacher working with those kids we are doing an assessment of all of our programs and services this we're creating a priority list for assessing uh the cost benefit analysis of the um various programs and a stone is one of them that's slated for review this year okay thank you uh in item I it talks about the attached memorandum of understanding uh but the agenda doesn't contain that attached memorandum so I don't know what the memorandum States my question uh is also uh is this of any cost to the

107board or is the board since this is a case study and it would benefit the publisher uh is the publisher providing us with any Revenue to participate in this case study yes and can you say how much that is what is it th000 per teacher um they're they're compensating um teachers for their time so it was for the case study it's $1,000 a teacher and I do believe a $200 stip in as a liaison they are not um just so you know Mr Po we are not identified in the studyy in any way shape or form no one from Row the school the teachers will be identified it's actually a partnership to help us better understand and get feedback to help um get get better um understanding of the iBook technology that's going on and

108they're providing um free professional development um working with the teachers in tandem okay thank you on page 21 there's item a uh I I I just didn't understand this can you somehow in layman's terms tell me what that's about is that on the board secretary's report uh it's under the board act uh the business administrator report I'm sorry yes uh the district's required to have a five-year long range facility plan and this um resolution identifies the number of projects and the estimated cost over the 5year plan that's the 7,997 figure that's there um it's estimated that the district might be eligible for some Debt Service uh Aid through the Eda um that's listed there and um furthermore the district is now in the process of updating this long range facility plan so we will have

109more accurate figures for this on next year's report um but this this is a required disclosure of the contents figuratively that are contained in the 5-year facility plan which is required to address facility needs throughout the district roofs and projects that we need to engage in over the next five years so these are essentially uh maintenance type projects or refurbishments to existing facilities not so much maintenance but this is more Capital Improvement oriented bigger items like roof replacement window replacement boiler Replacements um not not not your normal carpet placement okay and there's 124 projects yes that we've identified that need funding yes and the 5year facility uh five range fiveyear facility plan is also approved by the state okay and just help me to understand this comes to about $8 million uh and there there

110is hoped for some some grant money uh of about2 million it looks like but of that remaining six million uh tell me how that works in terms of the budget on an annual basis well the projects that the board was able to um approve through the building grounds Transportation committee review process um would be contained in the budget it would be in the capital fund fund 12 and you're only allowed to budget for capital of improvements in that fund that are in your fiveyear facility plan and if the board was to be able to authorize all of these projects the local share would be approximately $6 million depending on how much Aid is available um through grants from the Eda and so on of course it's unlikely that all of those projects would be able

111to we nibble away at it as we can on a priority basis but uh the percentage that's not covered through grants would have to be raised through taxes so would it be a correct assumption to to for example to take that $6 million uh and say there's going to be slightly over maybe a million dollars a year for the next five years I wouldn't be comfortable with that estimate because we have that on the last few years we haven't gone that high only in the 1213 budget did we go over a million dollars in Capital Improvements and it was with the use of about $675,000 of unexpected state aid increase that the board directed to do the Brookside roof replacement project okay thank you uh uh this is is now page 24 it's still um

112well it's item I it's on this agenda page 24 item I the connector Trail authorization I I know it seems like a very minor thing and it doesn't seem educational at all but I just want to make sure I'm understanding it uh is is this uh is this authorization simply authorizing the trail or is the is is there's some expense to the board for for building this Trail there is no expense to the board it is just authorizing um the township to use the space okay so it's just saying it's okay to use that space to do this Trail exactly but we're not paying anything somebody else is going to pick up any cost associated with it exactly correct okay thank you um and the bleacher Foundation stabilization item G on that same page I

113know it says the middle school but could you tell me where those bleachers are is it the bleachers with the uh those are the bleachers on the new Synthetic Turf football field okay um the visiting bleachers had footings that had deteriorated away and the bleacher system was in danger of U collapse uh if it should continue to deteriorate so this item went to building grounds Transportation committee it was authorized to go ahead and uh do it in a costeffective way to stabilize the footing by jacking up the whole bleacher system and then uh reinforcing it with much more concrete and not redesigning with architectural fees and the whole uh construction of new bleachers okay so this is actually the FI the bleachers were the field that they play varsity football games and things of that

114sort yes it's not that other field that some of the kids call the cage where they often play lacrosse or things of that nature that's correct okay all right just just wanted to make sure I understood uh and this is going to be somewhat of a repeat of what another gentleman said uh you take a look at items able a through Double K there's a whole bunch of items here they start uh basically around page nine but particularly on page 10 and 11 and you're approving various teachers and paraprofessionals for Afterschool tag program but but there's no information here in terms of what that cost and I think the public would appreciate I know I would appreciate knowing the estimated total cost of those types of approvals uh and it goes on sometimes you approve

115Personnel on an hourly basis so so many hours a week uh but but there's no projection in terms or or no estimate in terms of what the total cost is I just think it would be beneficial to the public to know what that is and I know that was mentioned earlier and you've told me my time is up so I'll get out of that's okay but I'll be happy to address your uh your question briefly um all of these appointments that you see here are required and customary all of these items have been considered already with the development of the budget all of these have been reviewed by the board and all of these are included in 1213 budget none of these are new and on on anticipated expenditures which would require the degree of

116analysis that you're uh you're um you're hinting toward because that was already done with the whole budget process I hear what you're saying but I respectfully disagree with not including it I just think it would be beneficial to the public to know what we're paying for that on an annual basis even though it's been built into the budget I I would I think it would be beneficial to have that broken out just so we could see that thank you hi Karen rap 44 Eldorado way I just want to find out if you're still going to be having Applegarth as um third fourth and fifth grade next year year cuz I know rooms are very limited um we are looking at that we just got a demographic study in um and I don't know the answer

117to that yet okay because I know there's only really one empty classroom and two classrooms that really need fixing up and I think there's six second grade classrooms at Oak tree right now y we're we're looking at it it's on the radar all right thank you hi uh Nelson Chen for Ashley Court uh I have a few few points to make and I'd like to make them first and then you can answer because I know I've got my three minutes uh the first question is to you Mr Klein uh thank you for your public service with the with the Planning and Zoning Board and here on the board of education and my question to you is if you were sitting on the Planning and Zoning Board and you recognized that all this building was was

118going on and this overpopulation with the houses and you you sit now on the board of education knowing that impact that what that impact was going to have to the members of the town here Visa the tax bill because obviously they mandated that you have to provide schooling for these kids why didn't you try to drive or better inform the board that all of this was going on and it was coming and they should have prepared for it let me let me finish because I have several points and I don't want them to to go into my uh my three minutes uh the second one item that I'd like to find out about is the $35,000 that we're lending to the uh Mecca the Monroe Early Childhood Academy I thought that was supposed to be

119a zero sum and it really wasn't going to cost us anything and I just want to make sure that that is in fact the case uh item number three is you know a lot of people that sat in the audience and a lot of people that are taxpayers here have been here for a number of years and had kids that go when you know went through the school system and we understand the parents at Oak Tree and their concern and what they're saying and we're not against the schools we want to make sure the kids have schooling okay if the tax increases keep going on there's not going to be anybody left in the town to pay the taxes to have the schools uh properly funded they're going to all be funded by the states

120because nobody's going to live here okay I just wanted to make that point uh and the last thing I want to say is you've got all of these uh projects 124 projects for the buildings and grounds and I understand they're necessary we took backpacks from Costco why can't we tell Costco you know what don't give us a th000 backpacks fix the roof or fix the boiler at Applegarth okay uh and that's it go ahead thank you point um as far as notification about what we find uh that's a approved or an application it's up for a vote at the planning board and Zoning Board I have mentioned that at many many meetings letting the people know the residents along with our board what was approved how many homes it would be and I must have

121spoken till I'm blew in the face at these meetings and most of our meetings we had eight people 10 people 15 people I've done the same thing when we've had a truckload here we had 200 300 people when uh somebody brought up something before I think it was Mr Silverman concerning um my time's up your time is up Sir time is up give me my next point please so um I've asked people I'm on the board three years after we had the big cut well they cut us to 238,000 I asked parents I asked residents that we hear I wrote letters to the newspapers the home news The Sentinel had them printed to try to light a fire on the people to write letters to the governor Corine at the time Christin now Christopher Surf

122and I think her name was Hendrick who was before him Stuart rabner the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court and last but not least was Mr skiera from uh the Newark education Law Center who brought the original um Avid versus Burke case and that's what screwed up all the funding I've asked I I brought this up to nauseum at every meeting and lastly when we had to make Cuts there were a load of parents here and I asked how many of you have complained to any of the befor mentioned uh departments one person Chrissy who is the uh the the head of oak tree nobody did anything and unless the people in the state I spoken to Linda Greenstein I spoken to the governor directly one on-one at a town hall meeting after the town

123hall meeting nobody wants to do a damn thing for us but my question was and I understand and I applaud your efforts my question was how did you influence the the the school board in letting them know to better prepare for that impact that's coming down the road so it wouldn't have been as much of a tax burden to the taxpayers when they did um when we're talking about doing the the um well let me just say that Mr Klein has been a board member for 42 months and probably 40 of those months because I'll give you a couple of times that you were on vacation he did bring that information back to the board of education but also in those 42 months we've probably increased our school population um 450 students 500 students so

124while we know the impact of our taxes we also have to educate 500 kids we have to find them a classroom 500 kids is a school we have to find them a classroom we have to find them a desk and a chair we have to get them books we have to give them the curriculum that they all deserve um are the teachers exactly have the teachers we opened up appleg gar school because we needed the space so there are custodial staff secretarial staff security staff a nursing staff that we had to put into Applegarth School so we did know that that these buildings were coming and we were preparing the district for another 500 students but it seems like the only people that bore that burden are the taxpayers in in all of our tax

125increases and I just feel personally I'm not going to speak for anybody else out here but personally I think you folks should have done a little better job at managing the budget to absorb some more of those costs so that it wasn't such a big burn one thing that was left out was when we did that redistri ution M of the students that report that came through that was all done in preparation for the growth where would as we add students where there's room for them by redistricting that's the word I'm thinking of redistricting so they listened to what I said they did what they can do and then when we closed Apple goth for one year and everybody at Oak Tree and appleo knew that was the story it was like pulling teeth to

126get it reopened and and what I said at that point was that if you want it closed we'll leave it closed but what are you going to do with you going to have 35 40 kids to a class so you know they've done I'm only on a three years you got people on here a hell of a lot longer and they've done what they can do the other thing can they make improvements perhaps but they're working their tails off to try to keep expenditures down but we just like them to keep working at the other thing I think I'd like to mention is that we haven't this hasn't been done in the last two three years we've been doing this for 10 years when we got a committee together to decide we wanted to build

127a new high school didn't go over the first time we had to go through a second referendum to get that passed and the 10 past 10 years we've added 2800 students to our district again that's more than one high school that you have to add we had to build oak tree where are we going to put these kids and again you have to have staff you have to have benefits for the staff a lot of it is negotiated um your your gas prices have risen over the time your food prices have risen over the time you keep putting the blame back on us not writing those letters no we're not putting the blame I'm just trying to well I've heard that a lot okay but you're the people that are in charge and in control

128okay and you need to make that call to Trent you need to voice that opinion that this this issue with Linda Greenstein you're only doing that as a result of everybody's everybody's shouting that hey this 11% tax increase we can we can't take why is it why is this going forward now and why wasn't it going forward in 2008 when you first felt the impact I think I've been writing letters and going to see the government people in the government or Senators since 1999 I don't think there's a person on this board or an administrated team who has not tried to contact people to the point email emails letters visits I don't think anybody writes any more letters than Mr Klein does so we have been very active some of this we have been very

129active in trying it just seems to me that as a result of Us coming here now this this proposal to Linda Greenstein is going forward no I don't think that's true that's what that's what it seems like to me have have you come to meetings in the past where these things have been I've been to some meetings obviously I haven't we have budget presentations every year where talking about the issue with Linda Greenstein usually that's the latest we have we've met with M uh Senator Greenstein about a half a dozen times just on on our funding issue alone probably about another half a dozen times on the Jamesburg matter we've met with the governor's chief of staff which is as high as we could go with the governor uh Wayne D'Angelo's office and anybody else

130who would hear us and Dr Hamilton and I have been Rel Relentless trying to get more state aid funding for this District which we deserve um so um mea question yeah the me with regarding the mecca program there was an initial $165,000 loan to that proprietary startup fund this is a new business venture that the district is engaging in a lot of that $165,000 was fixed assets and improvements to the facility to be able to open up and host such a daycare facility um enrollment is increasing we're doing uh open houses and uh outreaches as much as we can to increase enrollment we've opened up enrollment opportunities to take kids from the township and we anticipate that to grow strongly in the next year um when will it be a zero budget item then that's

131a good question the $35,000 is to cover operational costs to maintain um a positive fund balance in the fund so that's 200 so far by you mean to have a reserve or you mean to to for operations it's not a reserve it's it's not a reserve it's to pay current operational expenses we may have to come back for more in the next couple months but uh you know the whole design of this fund with the budget that Dr Hamilton prepared and hand it out to the board and the public indicated our our profit motive and projections for profitability um relatively quickly but and we disclaimed right at the onset like any new business Venture it takes a while to gain momentum and get up the your projected uh date right now for it to meet

132its expectations to be a zero budget item is there an expectation we yes we do we we anticipate that we will be at about 70% of our projected capacity by February and then we will have to um close that Gap in summer because we'll be we'll be extending the program to include a summer camp during the the summertime some of our expenses will go down but some of the income will come up because it will take less resources to operate the summer program and the 70% I'm sorry the 70% is 70% to break even or it's 70% of capacity 70% to break even okay now with regard to your other remaining questions about the uh five-year facility plan the anticipated need for improvements and what's the district doing to get outside help in that regard

133just off the top of my head to here question I can recall Jerry T and I preparing a Grant application to jcpnl to provide lighting um replacement and the entire business the entire central office building jcpnl has come in put more efficient lighting structures new bulbs and the whole um outfit of the building which ultimately saves energy cost and that was their motivation for doing it the district didn't have to pay a dime for that this was something that was in the 5-year facility plan also you'll see on page 25 of the business administrator report from this very meeting the application that Jerry tag and I prepared for a safety Grant through uh the gr Insurance Fund we received an award of $1,840 which is being dedicated to uh swipe systems at the schools to

134make sure that we don't have anybody in the school building that's uh unsafe and one of the biggest items that we had was when we constructed this very school we applied to the state economic Development Authority for a section 15 Grant and we are awarded $15.4 million of Grant to offset the construction cost of this school all of that has been paid except for $3 million on the last outstanding payment which we were promised by in the next uh 60 days but is it possible I don't know how Sor but the time's up now we're well over three minutes just real quick I don't know how the backpacks came to fruition and this is I'm just it's not a criticism I don't know how they came to fruition how that Happ let me just finish

135but perhaps you could make that same pitch for for the new roofer for the Apple go boiler is all I'm throwing out we didn't make a pitch for that what happened is a friend of mine is knows like the general manager up there and the general manager contacted my friend and said look I have these boxes of backpacks I have called every organization I can think of to come get them and donate them nobody's calling me back do you know somebody who would like them he contacted me knowing I was on the board I contacted Dr Hamilton but believe me if he was offering a roof we would have been in there is it possible to go back and ask them I mean that's all I'm throwing out there well you know we do have

136an Education Foundation and and we do try to do things like that through the foundation okay thank you thank you is anyone else on the public my name is Bill Hoover I live in the Clearbrook retirement community a touching Street very simple question I believe the president a moment ago said our total enrollment maybe over a 10year period has gone up something like 28 or 2900 students On Any Given year is the total amount of money that is received constant the portion that comes from all the uh property owner taxpayers versus the portion of that that comes from the state or has the ratio let's say it's 10 years ago maybe the state provided 10% and the taxpayers did 90% have those ratios whatever they are remain constant or are the citizens falling behind a

137bit in other words shouldering more of the burden I got the it may not be a question you know an exact answer to tonight I I can tell you generally and conceptually um we're falling behind the enrollment increases and the increases that are required for Appropriations for educating those students that the board president mentioned are not being percentage wise maintained by state aid right thank you I'll give you specifics yes U about an hour ago someone mentioned they were here seven years and at that time we had 4,298 students we got $4,400 th000 of state aid today we got 6,077 students that's a difference of of 1,779 students which means it's a 49.4% increase as Mark said a while ago as soon as Governor Christie came in he chopped the 4.4 down to $238,000 a

13895% cut and we've been clawing our way back and we're up what now 2.6 million 2.6 million so we have grown 42% and we still are about halfway of where we were seven years ago in state related that brings up a point I not don't know much about the Abbott districts we've only lived here four years but in that same time when the state share of our total operating budget has dropped a bit not a bit have have Abbott districts or some other notorious Place gone up in percent of state aid or simply getting more dollars whereas maybe we're getting squeezed squeezed a little bit more than we think is fair absolutely absolutely what absolutely we are being squeezed more than fair and essentially what happens is those districts that um are formally referred to

139as Abbott districts are getting more and ultimately even as our quests to secure more funding um as that battle becomes um more in our favor that money is going to come from somewhere so it's actually going to P put school districts against one another um and that's that's an unfortunate dilemma that we have but that's going to be our reality there's one obvious answer all the tax All the Monies for all the schools in the state of New Jersey only come from taxpayers oh how it's allocated and distributed other than some grants that's very true is going to be variable and it's unfortunately politicized sometime thank you for your thank you answers anyone else from the public good evening uh John Cura 153 Union Valley Road uh I've lived in Monroe Township 46 years now

140you know how old I am I'm a proud graduate of Monroe Township High Class of 84 um I'm really proud of this town of I I work in town I work for the utility department the former Mt muua for the past 26 years I'm sitting there listening to Mr Klein and going a couple other people about you know the the student population expanding and you know working in the Utility Authority and now the department when developers would come in they bought the land they'd come to the planning board they had a conforming development by law it had to be granted we've wound up in lawsuits before we've spent taxpayer money on the lawyers to fight these and we've lost but when it comes to the utility we have a problem with we have to Supply

141it with water and we have to take their sewer sometimes when we get to capacity we cannot approve it because when they're given final approval at the town they can be given a subject to final which means they don't have the total final until you get all those little subject twos approved and passed they come to us listen we need this we got final over at town hall at the planning we got to get we got to get this approved we need your subject too well listen we don't have the water we don't have the sewer capacity for you you're going to have to pay for it if you need that subject to passed what do they do they pay for it in an instances right now we have a sewer problem we were at

142capacity and a few developers had come in they all got together ponied up the money they're making the improvements now taxpayers aren't paying for it the developers are I just can't believe that you know with the planning board and people think it's the planning board and Zoning it's really not you have to look at your master plan you got to go back to that there a master plan committee that sets the zoning in town that sets the president you really want to make an impact the board ofed should get more involved with that master plan that's the foundation for it all and I don't know if you guys are involved in that or not but I think you should and get more of a voice now maybe I'm thinking out of the box because I

143don't I mean we're in a situation we're in different times now there's a lot of you know everybody's fine and fault with this and fine and fault with that I like to come up with Solutions and maybe they're out of the box and I think that's what we need right now some out of the box ideas why can't the the Board of Ed be one of those subject to approvals absolutely okay maybe we can go work together I mean you got Town Hall bard of Ed let's work together we're in this together again I love this town I've been here all my life my kids go goes to this school uh I think we have a lot at stake here so I think we need to look further down yeah you got to trim you

144got to trim this budget I I'm I'm a firm believer in that but looking down the road right now there is activity the the the real estate market is coming back I'm feeling I'm seeing it in my office there's a lot of unimproved properties out there still now is the time to get involved with that Master Plan maybe make some amendments to prevent it because once the developers get preliminary tentative you're you're locked you're handcuffed but I think there needs to be more uh um communication and I think that you need to get more involved thank you thank you but uh one more thing uh you got a lot of students here really upset this week my son came home and he was kind of down I said Chris what's the matter he goes they

145blocked the video game off the iPods this week kudos to the guy that did it there's a bounty out though I heard for that guy so thank you anyone else from the public I make a motion no somebody's coming Maran Lester 44 Avenue I um tonight on your agenda you approved certain clubs for the middle school and I just want to know how you can justify an instructional rate of $538 cents for card making jewelry making rock band music scrapbooking of soap making and nail art that instructional rate $538 7 cents that's a negot per hour that's a negotiated rate with the association um there are two rates that uh teachers are eligible for one is an instructional rate one is a non-instructional rate and why does it have to be a teacher then that

146teaches it beg your pardon why does it have to be a teacher these are clubs I don't want to spend $538 87 cents an hour to teach a kid how to make soap that's not a real rounded student for college maybe The Debate Club but not soap making thank you okay anyone else from the public it's Zinger okay seeing no one I'm going to close public forum Miss anelis yeah um I I just again want to talk about um a board member sitting on the planning board so at this time I'd like to make a motion that the board president send a letter to the mayor requesting that a seat be open for a board member second second okay any comments or questions and what I'd also like to add to that no you got

147finish the motion oh is that is that you want to amend the motion well even if we do another motion we have to also get and I know the mayor and and uh council president tambur listened to the meeting we have to get one of their people on our board if not on the board but at least to be here as a liaison leison to hear what's going on they can't be on this because is a conflict of interest no but can't they be here I think that's there it but I'll go with I'll second a okay any other comments or questions all in favor opposed abstentions okay motion is passed I will do that um anything else from did no have to go home okay our next scheduled public Board of Education meeting will

148be Wednesday November 14th 2012 7:00 p.m. at the high school a motion to Mr cman and Mr Ira Mr Ira Mr Ira all favor oppos exensions meeting is adjourned