001yes I thought it was a mistake good evening the meeting of the Monro tent Board of Education will come to order please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance our pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for [Music] all may we have a roll call Mr Gorski Mrs kapano here Mr tesler here excuse me anelis here Mr Braverman here Mr Chella here Mr calman here Mr Masters here Mr Po here Mr proso here Mr zareski here Adam board president you have a quum thank you in accordance with the provisions of the New Jersey open public meetings law the mono Township Board of of Education as quiz notice of this meeting to be published by
002having the date time and place thereof posted May 30th 2013 one at all schools two home News Tribune three cranberry press and four filed with the clerk of the municipality at this time we will have reports from our student board members good evening Ladi ladies and gentlemen many events are occurring this month as the year is coming to an end uh the music department senior dinner was June 3rd the blood drive was held today in the gymnasium uh the senior brunch will be on June 7th at 9:30 and senior prom is at the Imperia um on Friday at 6:30 and AC ACT Testing is on June 8th here at monacha high school good evening ladies and gentlemen senior picnic is on June 11th the fourth morning period ends on June 14th and finally exams begin
003from June 17th to June 20th makeup final exams are June 21st and June 24th High School graduation is on June 24th at Sun National thank you um at this time we will do the recognition of support staff and I'm going to ask since Dr Hamilton is not with us at this moment he is down in the Performing Arts Center finishing up his um state of the district address I'm going to ask Dr Gorman if he would help me do that yes okay [Applause] good evening everyone um this resignation this recognition is for our outstanding support staff of the Year members from each one of our schools I'll give you just a a generic overview of the plaque and recognition that we'd like to present to our uh wonderful support staff members that were chosen um
004by their peers and and administrators um whereas the Board of Education of Township with Monroe County of middlex state of New Jersey has been apprised of the following B resolved by the Board of Education that um we would like to wish to acknowledge um these individuals as the support staff of the year and the board's appreciation for services so uh we're going to go by school by school we'll call people up um take a picture and um and congratulate you uh our first comes from our Monroe Township High School uh Norma J Bomba [Applause] uh we we'd like to acknowledge from Woodland School Miss Gladis auso [Applause] Gladis on the week like to acknowledge from the apple G school this Lisa Nelson [Applause] from Oak Tree School Miss Lori [Applause] ly from Barkley book School
005Mark D [Applause] I see Mark here but we'll Aaron will drop this off for Aaron Mahoney and she'll present it to mark from Mil Lake School Maryanne [Applause] barbarian from our Monro T Middle School Charles Russo Charlie all right y I like the ones when they bring the little guys with [Applause] them and last but definitely not least from Brookside School Jennifer Fano [Applause] okay at this time we will go to number seven on the agenda of public forum anyone from the public wishing to speak to the agenda please come to the microphone and state your name and address for the record and since we have a large crowd tonight we are going to adhere to our three minute time let me know when I get down to one minute but don't start yet start
006off cine 53 turnburry pertaining to the agenda page 31f this is something that came up when we were first mandated to have anti-bullying training to bring a a company in from California to train our our students and our staff and it was voted down at that time because we had somebody here who was in charge of that was supposed to do the training when you go to Jay Dr Gorman is in charge of anti-bullying are you telling me that we can't get people within Personnel that we have now trained properly to hold the training as compared to bringing this company in again from California it's idiocy and if you're going to get somebody from the outside I'm sure there's plenty of companies here that'll do it so I don't know why they're up again it's
007a second time that's all I have right now thank you do you wish to respond Dr hon I'm looking for the [Applause] item page 31 right on the top I think is that challenge day Mr clar yes yes that's a specific program at the high school it is not ex it is not a training per se um is Mr Goodall here M rob you want to talk about challenge day a little bit I know we had this conversation previously talk about some of the successes should there be any uh challenge day and I missed some of Mr Klein's comments um as I was entering into the room challenge day was a very successful program over a 3-day period I know the board board appropriated the uh funds to pay for it uh it celebrates diversity
008tolerance acceptance It's not necessarily a training for people against anti-bullying it's more of a student-based program the feedback from many many of the parents the students and the teachers we had to limit it uh the program to 300 students who went through it during the three days is that they want to provide it for all of the students here so and again I missed Mr Klein original uh comments about the program but it was a very very successful program on here and I highly endorse that we do it again and that's why it's on the proposal tonight thank you Mr Clint did did you want to come back to the microphone because I you still have two you still have two minutes yeah's on the agenda this was on the agenda I believe last year
009when the state mandated that we train for anti-bullying it was the same company and the board was smart enough to vote it down that it was an expense that was not necessary you have to understand just a second just hold that we passed this last year no we not when I was on yes not when I was on we didn't we did I thought no it was voted down go check your records I'm not even going to get into that okay the point is you got to cut you it's 9,000 here it's 4,000 here it's 8,000 here it's 25,000 here here I don't think this is necessary but that's my opinion that's all okay thank you thank you Mr good as a principal of the building I highly endorse the board appropriate the funds for
010this program for next year and certainly uh if the board sees it that maybe something else I could look into that we could reduce U I would certainly look into that but I highly endorse this program based on the diversity of the school and the feedback that I got from parents staff students and administration it was a great program thank you anyone else from the public Robert roach 18 mfield Boulevard page 32 Q the violence subst abuse Etc I wonder if you can tell under instance there's a the notation hi I wonder if you can explain what that is uh that's Hib that's harassment intimidation and bullying those other uh cases we are now required it came in last year we're now required to report thank you um s some of the other items on
011here substance abuse drug paraphernalia threatening comments uh some of these appear to me to uh that they may be um criminal violations and I wonder if you report these types of events to the police department in Monroe uh anything that reaches that that level of criminal offense it is absolutely reported to the police department would drug paraphernalia reach that level to you yes thank you very much good evening Tom notein 15 Nathaniel Street excuse me with regards to F31 that we just had a little discussion on um what's also important on this is that um have we looked into any other uh providers of this type of uh instruction this challenge day um this 9600 it doesn't even cover the airfare which is probably going to be a lot it doesn't say how many people
012um this 9600 could easily uh double uh in the amount when you consider the reimbursement for airfare hotel Transportation meals and miscellaneous expenses um has anybody looked into alter alternatives to this and secondly how did this one come [Music] about um as anti-bulling coordinator I oversee the anti-bullying specialists in each one of the schools um about two years ago the governor passed um different laws for bullying and intimidation and harassment and we support them all um so we use a very um eclectic approach each building um finds different programs that are both proactive um in educating kids um the Rachel the Rachel's Challenge is one that we use in the Middle School challenge day was more high school specific there are not many of them there at my County meetings it came highly recommended and
013the response is um I was in the buildings those three days when it it occurred um it was a very moving life-changing experience for a lot of the children and the adults as well um and it doesn't do justice for me or Mr godal to tell you if I was successful um but it it it came recommended to us at the county level um other schools have inquired about it I know they have um a website we've done a lot of uh research on different programs but it's not one side fits all it's sort of use a very eclectic approach and bringing up different types of programs that are developmentally responsive at each grade level okay thank you Nelson Chen for Ashley Court uh on page five item s recommended board approve uh person PE
014screening for the district during the summer of 2013 at the hourly rate can someone tell me what that's for uh we do a screening of all of our preschool students to make a determination as to their Readiness and where to most appropriately place them and this is on our agenda every year we have a preschool program preschool handicap program yes oh I'm sorry I didn't realize that okay thank you and uh on page uh six letter X is that still the air quality control people yes did didn't we talk about assessing that program was that program assessed that will be reviewed when negotiations are open again with the association okay so it hasn't been reviewed as yet no sir and uh on page 35 item 12 can someone explain that to me we're paying somebody
015for uh looking at kids for eating disorders page 35 item 12 is that Under The Business Report or I don't it's on page 35 I don't know what section it's in oh professional appointments got it yeah Mike that's under your report it's a recommendation for the Board of Education members to approve University Medical Center of Princeton Princeton healthc care system center for eating disorders care to provide home instruction to hospitalized students oh I see it's for home instruction yes sir okay thank you anyone else from the public Mr 44 Avenue I going back to uh page 31f challenge day uh I know when the state mandated um all the uh bullying programs was quite expensive so how much monetary investment have we already put in this uh anti-bullying programs we would have to research that
016because that would require us to look at um stiens for instance that we pay our anti-bullying coordinators um programs that we may have brought into our schools assembly programs special speakers uh training that we may have sent people out for um so you can request that information by way of opr and give us an opportunity to do that research you don't have any estimate I couldn't even begin so it sounds like we've made a pretty extensive investment in this already right I would agree and do you know how many people we're talking about for airfare I'm not sure Hotel Transportation three two to three they're going to be here for three days so are they going to be bill us for like when they go out to dinner things like that um generally two to
017three people and yes that would be a part of their their contract government recognation okay it is govern it is it is managed by government regulations though in terms of how much we're able to get there also a program that is State mandated it was was told we were told we had to do it and again um we have to put on programs and presentations and bullying um projects for the for the kids and we don't get paid from the state to do this we're not re we're required to do programs and um do we have [Music] a do you want to come up to the microphone and Dr Gorman I don't know if you'll be able to handle that question the anti-bullying program we have now is that sufficient to meet the state guidelines
018challenge day is just one way of addressing the needs of um close to 2,000 high school students um we've been asked recently by August 15th to report to the New Jersey Department of Education a self-study on on all of the proactive approaches we've done the feeling is that bullying harassment intimidation and bullying is such a um powerful um piece that could devastate a child and we don't know the ramifications as evidence why I think the was generated from the ruers incident when the kid took his life um so we we we are 100% in support of finding quality programs at each building that are proactive that will educate children that will educate adults to not be biased in their comments not being derogatory and so I I we don't have one program it's not a
019package program it's a very comprehensive program if you go on our web page every school has an anti-bullying team they meet with their principles they have parents teachers child study members um guidance counselors um and as far as we're concern this is an incredibly important piece because we don't ever want to lose a child no matter at what age um because they were bullied or or they felt bad about themselves so I realized that but you didn't answer my question are we needing the basic anti-bullying standard for there is what and I guess the point is there is no basic standard they've asked us to self assess to put in as as many proactive programs as we can to reach all kids the unfortunate thing is it's it wasn't funded that was the problem and
020that's where some of the conflict has come between schools and and the intent of the law Mr Mr Goodall just for the record the program is just not for meeting a bullying mandate some of the strategies are to connect students who have long-standing conflicts that cause problems amongst friends it goes far beyond just meeting a need to meet a bullying training mandate and the and I can't emphasize enough the success of that program at the school this year with the diverse population that we have the large population that we have I got many many parent uh emails about having it for every kid every kid should go through challenge day but you know we do have some limits but it might be a good idea um to bring the kids in or the program in
021so that the board and the uh public have an idea of what this entails in most certainly when we do the program next year we will do that as a followup okay thank you anyone else from the public hi good evening Steve Ryback 23 Riviera Drive um on page 35 number eight I noticed something and I just had an idea I don't know if if you've done it in the past or what but I noticed you Contracting out to provide home instruction um is it possible to use in-house retired teachers from Monro Township to provide that home instruction where it will could be controlled uh from the school level or the district level part of why we contract out is it is more coste effective for us to do it that way um I'm not
022saying what you're suggesting is an impossibility there that there may be some Merit to that perhaps we could have a sidebar and talk about something along those lines I know it's done in other District for less money than this and you're using your own teachers and you know exactly uh you know what the curriculum area is thank you m anyone else from the public wishing to speak to the [Music] agenda uh Richard gibens 415 Schoolhouse Road uh I just listened to Mr Gorman's comments about uh not wanting to not ever wanting to lose a child well yesterday I voted over at the Brookside school and I walked right in nobody said a word to me went in voted uh talked to some of the people at the polls for a while walked out there was
023a lady standing at the door I said uh who security she said I am I said really I said uh I said where's your six shooter at in case somebody comes into the school oh she said if somebody comes in SHO she I'm dead I'm finished she said so I said to myself this is a real lack of security and um if you don't at some point put somebody in the school either trained official in the school or someone and someone comes in like they did in New Town Connecticut you're going to have a lot of dead children in some of these schools because I walked right in nobody questioned me at all so just a just a point of order that's all thank you good evening Christy scurby 8 seminal Court I just wanted
024to make um a comment on challenge day I don't know if um the PTO or the Monroe Ed Foundation was approached for any grants for that um but I do want to commend the board for bringing that program to the schools as the head of the PTA of an elementary school we pay for a comprehensive anti-bullying program and you wouldn't believe the amount of bullying that begins at an early age so I'm glad that this board has recognized the importance of that and that this program is brought to the high school and I hope that it continues to stay because bullying is a huge issue in our society and if we could get through to one or two children it could save a life so thank you thank you anyone else from the public seeing
025no one we'll close the public forum and go to the superintendent report Dr Hamilton well we did a comprehens well we attempted to do a comprehensive state of the school address um and time worked against us but um we do have some questions that have been generated from the audience we will be posting the full um unedited version of the state of the school address online which is is a pretty nice uh summary of what's going on in our elementary middle and high schools our various departments and some of our successes regarding College admission uh student achievement data and some of our challenges opportunities for growth as well so that part of my report so to speak was presented in the stateof the district address but moving on to the board agenda items moving on
026to Personnel items it is recommended Madame board president members of the Board of Education that Personnel items a through SS be approved by roll call vote Mr Chella is there a second second second by Miss anelis is there any comments answer questions for Dr Hamilton Mr Masters the the high school I guess it's um graduation BB through FF I think can you just tell what the difference of those are there's a bunch of different categories I'm just curious why they weren't just put together into one besides the sement amounts [Music] but BB um well the rate is different for one um different functions so you have child study team members who are there for one for one purpose you have folks who are working there as Marshals um guidance counselors who are there to uh
027help assemble students and call names um present diplomas the security guards that's a different contractual rate um DD e count classification by and various CL CL ifications required that they be listed that way according to State based on their designation certification or lack of certification anyone else have a question uh yes item T Cory I'm sorry that's okay uh item t uh I understand that we do sports physicals you know during the summer uh my question is when do we do the spring uh the physicals for spring Sports we only do them once once a year oh so so we don't have a separate the 365 day window from the sports SE phical so generally speak if you do it in the summertime you're covered the whole entire year for all physicals for All Sports
028oh okay thank you uh and how many students would that involve altogether then do we have any idea how many students get their physicals during the summer last year I want to say the number was around a thousand CU I remember asking that question it's it's quite a few though there are many districts not to open to can of worms but there are many districts that um require parents to get those physicals outside of the school and they don't provide this service um but we our nurses see a lot of a lot of students in fact um I have a proposal on my desk now that they're actually requesting additional hours because they don't think these hours are sufficient to accomplish the things that they have to accomplish and uh to follow with Mr uh
029Master's question uh I counted up about 30 staff members that we will have assisting with the graduation ceremony and uh there's actually more than 30 but uh there's 30 that I was focused on uh how many seniors will we have graduating this year Mr Goodall do you know that number I don't want more than 400 students okay because that seems like a very high ratio uh of of staff to students uh for the purposes of doing that is that required by the Sun Center it is not required but I I will say this um it is one of the most dignified orderly graduations I have ever seen and I think a large part of that is because of the amount of supervision that is there um the P the generally the uh ceremonies that occur
030before ours um it's chaos um our ceremony is so pristine and so organized that I would hesitate to not have the level of supervision that we do okay Mr good would you like to comment on graduation and just to clarify uh we do send anywhere from 18 to 22 staff members to a company and I also do it myself to accompany the students in transport from Monro Township High School to the center so we have upwards of about 15 buses that also transport our students to the ceremony so that's where our graduation Marshals come into what any other one more question uh item GG which is the extended school year uh I I do understand what that's all about and I have previously uh sought some answers to questions but since we run this every
031year I thought it might be uh interesting to the board and the public to know uh what is the uh anticipated cost of that program um maretta our director I think is here she is maretta would would you mind coming up for the total cost for the program yes if you have that's about $350,000 a little bit more maybe 358 okay okay thank you you're welcome you have any additional well I item KK uh I was just wondering uh this this uh concerns the custodians that we're approving uh do we have some formula or how do we determine how many custodians per building we need there is a Formula that the state utilizers we're actually um technically we're under staff based on square footage um the state uses square footage a per person ratio based
032on the size of the space we have less than the state says we should have it it just struck me that the number of custodians working in the High School uh after in the second and third shift uh just seemed unusually high uh so that's the reason I was wondering how how that's determined uh that's it okay anyone else just in SS answers um somebody's listed twice is that because they fulfill two substitution positions I some substitutes no they're both of them are not get lost two different positions so that's correct so the rate of compensation would be different okay any other questions seeing none we'll have a roll call Mr borski thanks Miss anelis yes on all items and accuse myself on item e and item NN yeah that's that's right I'm sorry you
033want to do that again somebody else want to second we had a first from Mr Chella Tesla okay that's every Q's on E and NN so noted Mr Braverman yes Mr cherella yes Mr zareski yes Mr C yes recuse on double P noted Mr Masters yes Mr P yes Mr pre alsoo yes on everything but x and double p is that a no on x and double P yes thank you Mr tesler yes MRSA Pano yes Madam board president Personnel items a through SS passes thank you and Madam board president move moving on to board action items under the superintendent's report Madam board president members of the board of education is recommended by the superintendent that board action items a through Q be approved by roll call vote second Mr Masters are there any comments
034or questions on the board action items Mr pres proso uh page 31 item K uh recommended that Michael Gorski be the affirmative Act ction officer uh I know we're trying to save money by letting some officers take care of certain uh positions but uh don't you think we better off having him take care of our numbers and our money and maybe delegate that to someone else I agree 100% I agree 100% and uh when we fill the HR position it would be my plan to recommend moving those tasks to that position any other questions actually I just wanted to say thanks for adding the funded column to the field trips that was it Mr boy uh the item F I hate to come back to that but the public had quite a few questions uh
035Mr Goodall said that we had about 30 300 students involved uh this past year in that program I was just wondering uh did those students come from a certain grade uh how were they chosen that type of thing why don't you just pull up a chair I was just G to say that students were selected from grades 9 through 12 uh coming from various backgrounds at times there were pre-identified students who the guidance counselors teachers maybe even some information from the Middle School where children had difficulties longstanding and we brought them together as a part of this program so was anywhere grades 9 through 12 and roughly 100 kids per day as suggested by the program participated and since we did run the program last year uh I I know the contract says I think
036$95 $9,600 but I'm wondering uh if we know what the total cost of that program was last year which would have covered the flights the hotels the Mills all that stuff do we have that figure that information okay all right thank you and item n on page 31 I remembered asking about this last year before I was on the board and it's really just for public information as well as my own information uh and I do understand we need to belong to this Association but my question is what do we pay for that membership Mike do you know the membership to J sorry I don't without the budget back to Mr boy tomorrow yes I'll be happy to get back to you Mr and then finally item Q uh the public also asked about that
037uh there were a couple of items where there was damage or vandalism have those costs been paid by the parents at this time yes thank you m proso getting back to item F do we know how many people are in um coming from California for Challenger day two to three was already asked it was sorry I didn't get it any other questions okay seeing none we will have a roll call Miss anelis yes Mr Braverman yes Mr cherel yes Mr eski yes Mr calman yes Mr Master yes Mr Po uh yes except on item F that's a no on F Mr proso yes but no on item F so noted Mr tesler yes M Colo Madame board president board action items a through Q passes thank you and that concludes the superintendent report okay and
038we will go to the business administrator's report Mr Gorski Madam board president and members of the Monro Township Board of Education it is recommended that board action items a through e be approved by consent roll call second Mr cherella Mr proso comments or questions for Mr Gorski seeing none we'll have a roll call Miss antelis yes Mr Braverman yes Mr Chella Mr zareski yes Mr calman yes Mr Masters uh yes at all but E8 I have to recuse on E8 I'm sorry e as an Edward 8 recuse e e as an Edward got it we just V if it makes it easier Mr Po uh yes Mr proso yes Mr tesler yes Mrs colano yes madame board president board action items a through o passes that concludes my report thank you and we will go
039to the board president's report and mine's going to be short um I just want to talk about committees um there's been a few times lately where we have not had a whole Committee in place to make some of the important decisions that we're making and um sometimes the alternate um is not called or um somebody forgets or comes last minute so I'm asking that if anybody cannot make a committee meeting to call Mr gorsky's office or his secretary and they'll contact the alternate and if the alternate can't make it then we'll go down the list just to make sure that we have a whole uh Committee in place to make our decisions and um also I I just um want to mention the ad hoc committee that Dr Hamilton mentioned in his state of the
040district address it's a committee a Community Committee that we're asking to um help the board decide what to do with the um large increase of student population that we're going going to be having in the next um 5 years I don't know if any of our board members have a presentation to make tonight but there's going to be a lot of new building going on in our in our community and we need to probably find a place for 1,500 additional students in the next uh five years so we need input from the community as to what we're going to do um the the the atap committee has met a few times we made some recommendations internal School recommendations and um right now we're waiting for a demographers report and I don't think that'll be ready
041for a couple of months um I don't think we should have it by September by September so we'll probably reconvene an ad hoc committee we'll probably U have a different time we'll probably start around 7 o' so we're asking anyone from the community who would like to be a part of that decision um to let to let us know and um we would welcome anyone from the community so at this time we'll go to community uh committee reports is there any committees that need to report this evening Mr Hoffman okay uh we had a curriculum meeting this evening and we talked about a couple of things um Michelle talked to us about a virtual school option for summer school programs um we've asked her to go back and and take a look at some of
042the options that we have uh some of the board members Express concerned not necessarily with the presentation and The Taking of the material um online but uh some of the board members had some concerns about the assessments to make sure that uh when uh either a midterm or a final is taken that they're done live and in person so we can make sure that the person taking the exam is actually the person that took the course um for something like a uh high school program we want to since we are certifying uh school records to make sure that the students achieve the grades they uh have um achieved in the courses they take uh same thing would apply online uh what we like like to think to about embracing this new technology as we move
043forward um for something like a high school program we want to make sure that the student that took the course is actually the student that was assessed and took the final exams so we've asked the uh group to go back and and look at some of those options and also to develop some policy around online courses as well uh we were given a uh short presentation by Bob mey about a Summer band and chorus program uh that's going to kick off this summer it's going to be a parent maintained and funded opportunity um that there's some brochures that will go out to uh parents who are interested in concert Jazz and a combination of both for the summer um where parents can pay a fee and have their students participate in a program that we
044will have up and running for the summer Pro uh summer time frame uh we were also given an overview by maretta and Marie Pepe of the new preschool progress report uh we were also uh briefed on a Red Cross club uh being sponsored by Greg berer and we've asked that they go back and and take a look at it um some of the board members expressed concerned regarding uh funding of a national uh uh charity versus uh trying to maybe refocus it more locally based and uh give other opport OPP unities uh potentially to other nonprofits as well so we've asked the uh group to go back and take a look at that again and and one last item that I brought up was uh a request to take a look at a proposal or
045or um a opportunity for an Enterprise uh for Monroe Township uh a couple weeks ago we had a very lovely um teacher of the year award dinner that was uh completely done by all of our students in house and I've asked the uh Bob mey who runs the um culinary arts department to look at developing a proposal to offer to Monroe Township uh banquet Services uh we have a lot of organizations within the town uh we have PTO that have tricky trays we have athletic programs that have sports dinners all the time and as we all know we really have only one venue in Monro Township that all these organizations go to mostly because they're the only game in town uh theid school now has the functional capacity to far exceed um that local resource
046and and give a great opportunity to not only provide better cost savings to the organizations that are sponsoring these events but also you know pay back to the district where you save on the cost of running the event and then the the money that you gain comes back to the district anyway uh so we've asked the uh the curriculum committee to take a look at offering this up as an uh I think a very good opportunity and an option for any community group within Monroe Township to take advantage of the banquet services that we could have at this uh at this facility and they're outstanding if you haven't seen uh that's about it thank you anyone else m m Masters thank you we had a buildings and grounds on the 22nd of May uh it's
047pretty quick the Barkley Brook trailer update the trailers the um uh the contractor owns the trailers came out they replace most of the side and cleaned them up so we're pretty good with those we're going to move forward with a 2-year um reup of of those leases the fiber installation uh bark Brook and brookside's going well expect to have the whole thing done Late July July 26th actually uh there was some litigation that we discussed uh in the could I discuss that you I'll just say we discussed a bunch of litigation uh and we also talked about the soil compliance at Apple we received a report of complete compliance that's it thank you Andis the finance committee met on Tuesday May 28th we discussed the need for a replacement of a Food Service delivery truck
048uh since ours was purchased in 1991 and on its last leg almost 200,000 miles and the committee recommended the replacement of that truck with the money paid from the Surplus within the Food Service fund uh we talked about the academy Learning Center and Monroe Schools uh proposed lunch meal increase which we voted on tonight that will bring in an additional that 10cent increase will raise an additional $40,000 annually from our schools as well as money from the academy Learning Center we had an insurance update with the termination of Reserve funding Mr Gorski updated the committee on the successful negotiations with Horizon resulting in a savings um the increase for the 2013 2014 school year will be 7.5% far less than the State Health Benefit plan which is going up by 133% uh the video distribution
049and storage system was tabled we had an update on the Jamesburg situation and I believe we requested that the attorney Viola Lordy be at the June 19th meeting to discuss in close session um the an update and see what was going on with that and we had an update on Mecca uh Mr Gorski Dr Hamilton Sharon Jensen and maretta ruella uh came in and roduce the business plan for the kindergarten enrichment initiative segment of Mecca the next finance committee meeting is scheduled for Monday June 17th 6:30 at the Brookside school media center thank you any other committees wish to report okay seeing none we'll go to number 12 on the agenda is there any new business from any member of the Board of Education Mr Masters have a couple things so strap in uh the
050first thing is just to piggyback on something Amy said about the insurance and I wrote up something so I got all the numbers right so I'm going to pull an IA and just read it every meeting houra uh I would like to report to the taxpayers and to the staff that had the pleasure to oversee and be part of the important budget process relating to one of the district's largest expense items the budgeting for negotiation of health insurance rates back in December the district was provided a health insurance proposal from a former broker increasing rates over 24% and that's roughly $3.4 million Mr Gori H this was more than we could grow the entire budget recognizing the very unfavorable nature of this proposal Mr Gorski recommended that it was time to terminate the 25y year
051relationship with our former broker and he recommended a change that would result in a more competitive quote mik recommended to the finance committee the change that we unanimously endorsed and that began a process whereby our district saved over $1.5 million in proposed premiums and as Amy said additionally another $1.8 million of termination Reserve clim s with this our 1314 health insurance rates are only increased by 75% and that's unheard of this saves not only the taxpayers precious resources but also save significant money for our staff that are required to contribute a double- digit percentage of their health benefits cost them the mentor chapter 78 law so it's a big win for us and I think we really need to emphasize that thank you anyone else I have plenty I told you I have aou well
052keep on going um I I'll give I'll give the short one first the the oak tree guard I've been hearing Mings that um how much is that cost in the district I just want to get everything straight that was 100% paid for by the PTA and donations from businesses I just want to make sure everybody knows that nothing came out of the district ready for three y okay I recalculated the numbers for growth in the district um for the three main developments JSM Orchards Monroe Chase and at 33 Apple now if you take a conservative coefficient which is how many they give an average of how many kids per house over 5 years if you take the Builder one which is a 0.15 which is an eighth of child per home uh it'll result in
053about $2 million over five years if you take what the Town Council was talking about which is the 34s over five years that'll be almost uh over $10 million and then if you take an even more aggressive approach and say one which is the one I we're going to see about $$ 13.5 million that the district's going to have to contribute and then if you take it to two just to see the the the scale that's over $27 million within 5 years we're going to have to come up with that has to come out of the budget so we we can't really hoof it out of anything else so and I'll just be keeping I know there's a couple more developments that are now entering phase twos which are the kind of the sneaky covert
054ones that nobody fre remembers um and when phase twos kick in and now all of a sudden you have another four or five I know statford I think has another 3 or 400 homes that are going to go in over there um and that's especially harmful for these that side of town with oak tree so if anybody wants the numbers I can give it to you I'll leave an email it to you thank you anyone else have any other business I seeing none um we have a closed session resolution and um there will be no action taken at this closed session but the closed session could probably take what resolution he said yeah um so I lost my train of thought I'm sorry um there will be no action taken after this close session so
055if somebody would like to make a motion to move the public forum before the close session Mr caufman Mr proso all in favor I opposed so then at this time we will go to a closed session uh we will go to public forum anyone wishing to speak and and on anything please come up to the microphone state your name and address and um you'll we will adhere to our three minute time limit and there will be no public forum after the Clos session Nelson Chan for Ashley Court uh I've been hearing that uh there's some type of State leg legislation right now for f day kindergarten is is that true not it will not there is but it will not impact our district it's primarily for Title One districts at this point I suspect it
056will eventually get to us but it doesn't impact us yet okay is uh the uh Mecca program will that affect at all the $100,000 that we received from The Basque people it could well well not that $100,000 it could impact um Bas um but we have an agreement with them but honestly I don't think we're going to have uh a huge conflict with kids there's more than enough kids to fill both programs frankly when you say you have an agreement with them what do you mean the agreement with mecca for the $100,000 that's a contractual agreement bask I'm sorry that's a contractual agreement is are there numbers involved in that or is just one blank uh no matter what their numbers are is it contingent on no some type of enrollment on their part it
057is not okay thank you eron harwitz seven Maiden stone lane uh could you tell me how many students are currently uh registered or enrolled in the mecca program we got those numbers today actually I want to say give me a second you know it 27 for Mecca and 26 for the enrichment right that's and what is your break even point with respect to the number of students that are enrolled there that number off hand Michael I want to get the wrong number yeah I think it was 34 actually so right now we're funding something that we do not have enough students for is that correct no actually um if that 34 number is accurate we're above what we need to break even I just asked you about what is the break even point you said
058you had 27 students registered I said there were 27 in Mecca and 26 in the enrichment program and what is the difference between the two they're two different programs house in the same building and do we fund them both no the enrichment program is paid for completely by parents all right I've talking about specifically the mecca program do we fund the mecca program the board has made advances to Mecca but the cost of the sir I'm asking you the meca program the parents pay a tuition to the mecca program to cover the cost of the program is the cost of the program currently uh funded between the two programs no sir this is the answer to your question between I'm just asking for the mecca program but I could the purpose in adding the enrichment
059program was to make sure that the mecca program and the programs housed in that building covered the cost of operating it so that was the ospice behind creating the enrichment program so to to give you to just respond specifically to Mecca doesn't really get to what I think your question is and that is will the program still be operating at a deficit that's what I thought you you were really getting at that's sir would you like would you like to ask all your questions and then we'll be able to answer them all at once I don't know what my questions would be until I hear the answers well then just address your questions to the chair and then we'll be able to answer your questions I'm trying to get some information regarding the mecca program
060are we going to have a deficit with the me Mecca program that was what you understood that I'm getting at at this point my so I believe Dr Hamilton explained that with the current enrollment numbers we have past the break even point so the profit has turned the corner and it's become slightly profitable at this point with the current enrollment numbers for both segments and that is combining Mecca with the other program yes sir thank you min9 Nathaniel Street when you're saying that and I have to because I was at the finance committee um the loan is not being repaid when you're saying you're breaking even that does not consider repayment of the loan is that correct it does not consider repayment of the loan at this time we're past the break even point so
061we're at the point where it looks like we will be making a profit next year and the board has talked about um giving it a certain amount of time making sure it's working well and then we will come up with a plan to repay the loan back to the board of education so right now there's no schedule for repayment of the loan no not at this particular moment okay so the break even point the definition of that is the operational Break Even point is that what you're saying yes it's an operational Break Even point it's not repaying the outstanding debt right okay I think we talked about trust and Trust on the board of education and what what the public feels and I think that goes to getting a clear picture when people ask the
062question the intent is to get the full picture of what the details are and not have the semantics go in a direction I just happen to have been at the meeting so I know that there's a loan and then there's an operational cost the loan is not being repaid and I think that's what the public should understand it shouldn't be half truths um okay I just came back back from environmental commission meeting across the way at the at the municipal building uh there is a tentative application before the environmental commission that will eventually go before the planning board and the township Council for 750 more units on Pineville Road with 150 affordable housing 108 apartments and 545 tow houses not and included in that is a taxpayer contri contributed uh an like an amateur ballpark
063why the taxpayers were going to be asked they're going to I don't know if we'll be asked to contribute it on the count on the municipal level I would imagine there's another half truth involved in that one and but on the county level we're all County taxpayers so you we all have to consider this when uh and our count and our officials our elected officials whether it be on the board of education or on the uh Township Council uh that stuff is going on just across the street as we speak so please call your officials thank you anyone else from the public Gerald H 7 Maiden stone lane uh I agree that the public should be made aware of what is really going on the answer that I received as I suspected is a half
064truth I wish you would tell the public what is really going on and I support the previous uh person's um statement now could you tell me please how much is that outstanding loan it's approximately 260,000 with the current transfers do we have the money to pay it back right now now not currently no okay now there is a resolution uh if I am paraphrasing this correctly that you want the board to approve a uh a resolution for the uh total amount of the budget and you say that there is no outstanding or n just bear with me let me just rephrase that says that no no major accounts or funds have been overexpanded and that efficient funds are available to meet the district's Financial Obligations that does not appear to be correct am I correct
065on that no sir you're not correct on that would you enlighten me please yes that pertains to the general fund budget um what we're talking about with Mecca is a proprietary fund outside of the general fund budget and the proprietary funds expenditures um and revenues are not included in the bill list nor the financial statements that you've received this evening they're not required obligation of the board is that correct the Board of Education must pay that back am I correct that's the intent of and what happens if you don't pay it back that's the intent of the interfund loan is absolutely like you said to pay it back and what happens if it's not paid back where are you going to get the money to do that if the funds don't materialize and the loan
066can't be paid back then it would have to be written off written off or go back to the taxpayers and ask for more money that's that's a does that the same thing it would it written off meaning that it would be um a loss of taxpayer money that's correct thank you very much finally I've get an answer that I want I think this program is ill advised at this point because we added the kindergarten enrichment part of this to the mecca program we are now making a profit starting in probably starting in September so we anticipate making sure that and and this is the beginning of June so we anticipate more students will be both in Mecca and in our children uh kindergarten enrichment program by September we will know exactly how much we're making
067per month and we will be able to um talk in the finance committee about how we can start repaying that loan back to the board of education so it is anticipated that that loan will be paid back to the Board of Education anyone else from the public I'm s tala from Le Eldorado way I want to know what's the uh zero period busing uh for 20134 zero zero period has not been reinstated there has been uh approval to reinstate uh the 4:30 run after school two days a week every other day essentially but zero period has not been discussed okay a quick question about iPad how much does it cost to have the entire program running in the high school and how many iPads are uh in the school Dr um every student has an
068iPad so there's approximately 2,000 in in play student staff okay and how much does each unit cost uh we purchased them I guess a year I repurchased them about a year ago for about $600 what do you mean repurchase we moved to a lease um format a financial um protocol instead of owning it because we bought them with the referendum and couldn't get to that lease so we sold the first group um for approximately $400,000 $480,000 and then bought the second batch to refresh to get the kids um the next generation iPad was it necessary to buy the next generation iPads the very next year uh we believe that if we waited another year this the iPads that we currently had would be basically worthless worth less in what sense um they projected that um
069technology wise or projected get re refreshing them to refresh them it would have been a much more extensive loss but we would have if we if we waited two years to get to to sell the outad to get to the least mod they said it would have been depreciated um at a much significant rate so the board decided that while those iPads were in still high demand um that they would receive close to $500,000 for them did we look at any other Technologies besides iPad for example Google Chrome or something like that where the unit cost about 150 bucks 120 bucks for school yeah we we had um we spent over a year looking at um at different tablets different onetoone initiatives we visited schools we had HP Dell and Apple in at that time
070which was almost three years ago um obviously since then um there have been a lot of new T products out there um we decided on app because it was a complete educational system and a complete educational solution it was founded in education and that uh what the board um deemed the best path to go it's a good product in my opinion but it costs a lot of money tremendous amount of money and I think you guys should just be less obsessed with that kind of expenditure look at something that would save money to all as taxpayers and we can apply that money for zero period or whatever so please be less obsessed about these kind of things all right thank you for the time stepen Ry back 23 Riviera trve um I'm going to bring
071a question to you that I think we're going to be in agreement on on and that's the uncontrolled residential growth in Monroe it's it's very problematic for taxpayers and I'm sure problematic for you because you have to figure in all this growth into your budgets which are going to grow and we have to pay the bills on it also seems that you know you're one entity the town's another Trenton's another another one and that uh I don't think anybody's really working together to deal with this issue uh I went before the planning board I went before the zoning board and the and the Town Council and no one seems to deal with it they all seem to blame you know Trenton I can understand that because I'm aware of the laws that that really favor
072the builders because they must have extremely strong Lobby my question to you is do you work do you have any means of working with other uh Boards of Education to um counteract some of these laws or or make make a movement to express your feelings on on what it's doing to you as a board and what it's doing to us as taxpayers um absolutely we have a once a month matter of fact I have one this Friday um all the county sups come together and there's representatives from various uh oftentimes we have Senators that may come or people who are lobbying for a particular bill or or issue and that gives us an opportunity as as District leaders to bring our concerns to the powers that be um and often during that Forum we get
073to find out what other superintendent or what other districts have similar issues or concerns and whether there's opportunities for us to coexist in terms of a collaborative effort but as it relates to growth manur is pretty much an anomaly in this in this region in terms of the kind of growth that we have experienced in the past and that we anticipate in the next three to five years um but we are working with the municipality to come up with a plan to make certain that we are working in concert to minimize the impact and to have a plan in place so that we're not caught by surprise as this growth comes in we met last Friday in fact and we started talking about collaborating and identifying some options that would reduce the burden on both
074entities that's good to hear I just want to bring up a point if I have enough time on Mount SMS Road and 522 there's a mixure use development that's been proposed the Builder even put up a sign noting that there's going to be condomin it hasn't even received final approval from the board yet um the Builder brought his own numbers as far as number of students that's this um um project is going to bring never contacted this board of education just use whatever expert he had I know I complained to the planning board about that and they said that they were going to contact you and you're going to have a independent panel look into this to see if your numbers match the boards I don't know I haven't heard any result from any anybody
075yet I'm curious if if they did contact you if there is a result if you did a study on that um we are we have hired the board approved a demographer to do a a study on our part um and then the municipality is doing likewise and yes they did talk to us about their plan and how they were proceeding with that so we're hoping these two reports will mesh but if not we'll have two independent studying have to sort that out I just hope in the future they use our own board of education rather than whatever experts Builders use I think you're more in tune with the needs of the district and what the realities are they're doing a um a CommunityWide committee and we do have Mr Po from the Board of Education
076who will be sitting on that committee looking at the um the growth of the uh student population in Monroe and the other thing um I I think a lot of people don't understand is that the board of education has nothing to do with the planning of the community we don't sit on the planning board we do have um Mr cherel and Mr Masters who have been going there as a lisis on and bringing back the information but the responsibility of the board of education is to educate every child that comes into this community but we have no say into the the building of the community the planning the Comm but the impact of it is certainly affecting you as well as all of us and there has to be some control and residential growth or
077otherwise things are just going to be totally blown out of out of reality thank you thank you anyone else from the public Gerald H at seven Maiden stone lane aside from the outstanding loan that the board has indicated me are there any other outstanding debts that the board has incurred about which we have not discussed so far as and they have which have not been funded no that is the only uh item am I correct yes thank you Robert Road JT Newfield Boulevard I think it was indicated that the um finance committee has a um a plan a a financial plan for the uh Mecca and the student enrichment or that's what you call and uh I'd like to know what the numbers are uh financially as to the break even Point how many students
078what's the what would that generate in total revenue uh what is the uh expenses that are anticipated on that Dr Hamilton and I do have that information but we don't have it for this discussion this evening if you want to give us a call in the office we'll be happy to go over that with you well would you put the plan on the uh website so that we plan sir uh yes yeah your business plan it's it's deliberative uh at the committee level but once it's completed we could certainly post it it's not final plan yet it's been a draft plan and it's still ongoing well well let me ask you then um how many how many um students or individuals can the uh the facility handle 100 100 how many are rolled so far
07951 and both the mech and the enrichment 51 um and you say you're at a break even point with the 51 it was 35 35 so you're you're 20 over so you're basically like 16 over 16 okay so you're operating now at a theoretical profit yes all right and how much is that profit estimated to be you we wouldn't have to look at specifically how many days uh students have signed up for so you couldn't just take 16 and multiply It by Say a $700 figure or $400 figure you would have to know um how many kids are there two days a week how many are three days a week in order to give you an actual number we don't have that data available we did have that at the finance committee but I don't
080remember what the number was off hand uh but we'll have it at the next one but you are at a profit then yes sir based on the the number of days of what you have uh anticipated so far uh do you know what but but you don't know what that profit is off hand I don't um have you designated that profit on a monthly basis to be generated to return to the general fund not at this point we we we're looking at to see in September where we are and then the finance committee will come up with a plan to bring uh to return that money monthly back to the Board of Education is that going to be another deliberate plan that we will not see or will that be one that we can uh
081have access to uh when a plan is finalized we always you the public always has access to it but it was just brought to the finance committee last week I believe and it was a draft plan so we're in the process of finalizing it um Miss antelis has another Finance meeting on the 17 so we hope to um have that business plan finalized by so then after that then we could anticipate seeing it on the website yes thank you very much hi Lisa Nelson 131 Old Road uh my concern is zero period at appleg Guard School um right now we don't have like a traffic safety coordinator out there and there's 130 kids on Fridays that come zero pair is over now for the Year let to look into it maybe for the following year
082having a traffic a traffic safety coordinator uh the parents are just dropping off the kids in the front of the building backing up not seeing who's behind them and you're talking to elementary school kids it's really a safety issue so that's something to look into we have put in a request to our Police Department to provide us some assistance in that area okay very good thank you hi Christy scurvy again a seminal Court um with the mecca program there's 26 enrolled currently 27 27 for Mecca 26 for enrichment I believe it's 27 in Mecca 24 in the uh kindergarten enrichment and those are signed contracts by parents I believe so yes deposits with deposits deposits how much is it a month the enrichment program is $400 a month how does the busing work for that
083for students that will be coming from Oak Tre they will be bused just like they would if they were going to brumer or wherever they were going so if it's am kindergarten they come into Oak Tree on the bus and then they'll be bused to the mecca correct and then what happens at the end of the day the parent does the busing at the end so there'll be no busing home right just there and that's it you have to pick up okay that right maretta we'll make sure I'm giving the right information okay okay um how many teachers are hired for the enrichment program there aren't any teachers we have one preschool teacher that's in the building we have the head teacher director who serves both both capacities and the others are uh support staff
084but who will be teaching the enrichment I guess is my question you're going to have somebody for the men of the daycare but then who's teaching is there a curriculum for this enrichment program everyone there will be trained for the the uh High scope curriculum the Paris the head teacher and the director there's one head teacher there is one head teacher and how many classrooms they will be oper we'll be operating two half day sessions so one classroom each session correct and that'll be the head teacher correct and then who's at the mecca Paris is that yes okay thank you good evening Tom not Stein 15 Nathaniel Street um I'm confused with the numbers I hate to be beating a dead horse here but uh didn't you just say there was 51 students enrolled we
085were 16 over 34 let's maretta would you give us the because the numbers actually changing every day so oh no I realized that but I just thought we said 51 now I'm hearing 41 from 27 and 24 as Dr Hamilton said we are constantly students into the enrichment so are 27 for the mecca program that have paid tuition and there are 26 in the um kindergarten enrichment program that have also placed a deposit as of this afternoon so it's not 51 it's 43 we're not 16 over the break even 53 5333 um at the business plan when we did the business plan at the uh the deliberative business plan um while it was a good plan the thing that was sorely lacking was the fact that in any business you just can't selectively exclude expenses
086um I think it's imperative that the board take this $260,000 uh transfer of funds and amize that over a certain period include that back into the expenses and then that would I'd like to see the break even Point um ones that the cost of that uh transfer is included in the expenses like a normal business since we're trying to be a normal business would have to have it you just can't take a loan and not have any schedule to to pay it back in in a real business any thoughts on that um yes the the loan to the mecca program is a balance sheet item it's a it's a liability and an asset between the two funds and it is never an expense um within the program supplies are an expense depreciation is expense the
087loan is simply a balance sheet item and um like the board said it is intended to be paid back but it'll never hit an expense item because there's no interest on the loan interest would be an expense but the loan payback of the principal is simply a balance sheet transaction but if we actually were to break that down for a fiveyear payback I mean at some point you're saying we we may pay this back that that's our goal but can we just maybe since the plan is not firmed up let's put that into the plan uh that that payback whatever you decide to um whatever term you have to do to break down that 260 I understand there's no interest um and then come up with the new Break Even point it sounds like we
088might even be past that already um but it sure would I know would give me a good piece of mind if we know that that is included in our break even point so when you say you're breaking even it does count retransfer referring that 260,000 back on a on a monthly or yearly basis um with the deliberative business plan one of the benefits of having it still deliberative and not final was at the last finance committee meeting um a member of the public actually made a good rep uh a good recommendation to have some kind of formula of profitability um and some amount of that profitability determined to be paid back to the loan for example if you have $50,000 of net income perhaps a percentage of that 25,000 or 40,000 or whatever it's determined
089by the board be automatically paid back after a period of time that that would be great if we could maybe put that into the into the the business plan at some point I know I think it would give a lot of the public a much better feeling toward us knowing that we're looking into that right off the bat and that is being uh accounted for in the business plan that's all thank you anyone else on the public Hartz 7 maidenstone Lane could you tell me how you arrive at a $400 charge for each participant in the mecca program or I think that's the instructional program and Mecca I believe is 435 am I correct no um the rate for Mecca varies depending on the number of days that the student is in there um the
090400 $ for the enrichment program was based on looking at comparables in the area and coming up with a number that we thought would be conducive to uh our community it was just a guesstimate right that wasn't a guesstimate we we looked at what other programs were charging and we did not want to price ourselves out of the competition so we came up with a competitive price and basically it's a com it's a guesstimate okay yes okay okay now uh part of that uh money that is in the Loan program or the loan that uh the board has uh incurred um is does that include the busing and the additional monies that you have to pay for the instructors or staff does the loan include that well where is the money coming from maybe I
091should have said that where's the money coming from to pay back um or to pay the staff as well as the busing uh to bring the children to the program the money comes from the in the mecca program it comes from the parents who have children in the mecca program and from the kindergarten enrichment program it comes from the parents who enroll their children in the mecca program in the uh kindergarten enrichment program who pays the staff it comes out of those those funds that we've already spoken about is that part of the loan that uh the board has uh since we did not part of the we did not um start the mecca program until late in the summer last year because we were looking for the perfect director for that program so it
092got off to a late start we did not have the anticipated enrollment that we had that we had wished to have so last year we were losing money on the income therefore the loan from the board to me this year we have enough children enrolled to re to um fund that program so we are at this point making a profit but you still don't have the money to pay back the loan we are waiting until we see what we have in September because this is June we would like to know how many students are enrolled in September before we make any plans to pay anything back thank you anyone else from the public Road J team Newfield I I I have to make a comment um when you started this Mecca program and eventually the
093en wrenchman program which really didn't deal with um trying to improve the standing of Monroe Township and the school and the uh the students in the school system when you look at the State education where we where we're rated there's a load of areas where we have problems what you did is you took taxpayers money that was sitting in a general fund balance sheet of 2060 some thousand you took all money that would in future budgets go in to reduce the taxpayer taxes and you took it and you put it in a program that had nothing to do with education children now you've expanded to the enrichment program which obviously does have some benefits to the students long term but I think you have a absolute responsibility to return that money to the taxpayers expeditiously
094and not procrastinate with um with delaying and using it for other other uh reasons and just expanding this program that's my comment anyone else 11 lado away a really basic thing my son is 56 lb he goes on the bus He says Dad every time the bus hits a pot hole or a speed breaker kids my size go flying up so I think each one of you should get on the bus and take a ride and see I mean you're Heavy He's only 56 pound fourth grader say said dad can you talk about it so I talking about it buses break down once in 6 weeks I there calling them up oh we have a breakdown or we have a substitute driver the bus is laid by 15 minutes 20 minutes parents get tied up
095they got to go to work or take care of their businesses so please look into it it's very important you're delaying about 10 15 20 parents every four weeks or something so these are very basic things okay I I don't know much about the numbers uh I will update myself and I have more questions in future but these are basic things that I need uh you guys to look at thank you anyone else from the public seeing no one we will close public forum no we we'll get it back um go to close session be it resolve that the Board of Education of the township of Monroe hereby moves to go into close session in accordance with Sunshine Law chapter 231 of the public laws of 1975 njsa 10 colum 4-6 through 10 colum 4-21
096to discuss the following subjects Personnel superintenden evaluation uh Personnel Employee number 0 0289 and Personnel Employee number 927 and harassment intimidation and bullying incidents 38 and 39 the discussion conduct in Clos session can be disclosed to the public at such time as the matters have been resolved Motion in a second to go into close session second sorry Mr tiella and Mr Tesla all in favor opposed Sor I'm so [Music] sorry a little at time can we do I my brain you said I really did there was nobody rst s me those chairs are okay at this time we will reconvene into Clos session Open Session out of close oh Open Session what time is it 12 10 okay the next scheduled public Board of Education meeting will be held Wednesday June 19 2013 7:00 p.m.
097at the high school motion to adjourn motion to adjourn Mr who Mr tesler and Mr Po all in favor I opposed then the meeting is adjourned make sure you get his name I oppos you got an oppose you're opposed yeah he wants to sit here all right who who was the first T Mr Bo was first keep things organized first or second he was a