001still doesn't have a driver's license so because of that I went to the eye doctor and he said cataracts and we can fix that and when I came out of that I had Vision let's just sit quiet for the next two minutes we're waiting for the owl to fly e yeah let's do it call the February 27 2025 work session of the new Kamp County School Board to order we're going to open with the Pledge of Allegiance so if everybody would stand i al to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all all right guys for ease of the agenda we're going to take these things out of order tonight and we're going to start with
002the easiest thing which is going to be the school board meeting calendar update to Dr nich yes so one proposed change with the calendar due to board member conflict we're currently scheduled to have a board meeting Tuesday September 16th uh so the proposal is to change it to Tuesday September 9th um the rest of the calendar Remains the Same so that is the proposed calendar change board members all right anybody have any questions comments or discussion no Mr Rymer no all right great all right the next thing we're going to take up is under new business the school board member initiatives protocol uh I know you guys have reviewed it so let me just start by saying that this is just a rough Dr draft as you can tell of how we create a framework
003to have any individual School Board member bring something to the board that that school board member you know deems important and that we want to place on an agenda so my initial thought process was if anybody has a topic of importance that they you know maybe write up something or present something to the chair and the vice chair that says this is the the issue I want to address here's the dut or the obligation we have as school board members to address this topic um here's the policy that needs to be addressed revised or whatever the case may be and then suggest at least one action or suggestion for revision or Improvement and then that would come to chair and vice chair where we're setting the agendas we'll put that on the agenda for what
004I would call a vote of consideration meaning it will come before the board and the five of us will vote as to whether or not we want to take up that topic or not so that's kind of the idea aide behind the framework um I'm just going to open the floor generally for discussion so whoever has any input or suggestions around that idea that Mr ryer Mr chairman I would suggest there's actually a fairly practical deadline for this uh the vice chair and chair's meeting with the super uh intendent if uh two days before that it seems like that would be sufficient uh advance to get it on the agenda because the agenda the part of the issue is publishing it publicly right um part of it is reviewing uh two days before the meeting
005should seems to be reasonable to me um just a thought sure go ahead please yeah I I think what we have here I think the 30 days and and we talked about this in that meeting uh the idea is that once you come up with something uh for instance um Miss dumbrowski and I are going to be working on some policy changes that will give us time to um really vet what we're doing look through it make sure that we've discussed it and we have everything like we want it in order that's ample time um before we bring it and then it has to go back through we did the first reading second reading and then something comes up need to change or whatever um so I like the idea of the at least 30
006days um unless there's something emergent which I can't imagine that there would be in terms of policy change um but just to give it that time to thoroughly go through all facets of any changes or any policy U addendums Andor policy uh new policies I think just just to piggyback on that if I may I I like the 30 days myself because I think it gives the other four of us the ability to digest what that is you know look at the policies ourselves do do some homework and be prepared for when we're actually voting on that topic as opposed to you know 2 days before we're trying to get it on an agenda and nobody really has had the time to look at it the meetings next Wednesday whatever the case may be so
007you obviously open to hear what everybody has to say but I like the 30 days as well because I everybody is able to be well prepared for that subject that's going to come up can I just ask for clarification on the 30 days is that 30 days from when exact doesn't say it like I said rough draft but the idea would be 30 days before the um regular session we want to have it on the agenda for okay yeah that makes sense Mr chair please is that also specifying that whatever we're proposing I understand it needs to include this information but it doesn't have to be like in full like if we're working on policies would we have to say this is the policy that we want to work on uh this is tied to
008the specific action um here it is in full or is it just at least like do we need to get I I I trouble I'm troubled at the thought of like putting all this work into it and then bringing it before the board and the board's like yeah we really have no interest in this so is it like bringing forward the idea so that we can get a better feel that people are interested in moving forward I think it's a fantastic question and then I think you're on to something which is no it probably doesn't have to be right I think that you know kind of like this rough draft that we have a framework of here I think this is where we're going with it right and then the board is able to say
009all right we're going to put that on the agenda for next month and now we've got additional time to actually get all the meat and potatoes together that we want to put you know and post on a public agenda and so on so yeah I think that that makes sense so what did we just agree what was right clarify open discussion we haven't I I I understand I I think let me rephrase what I think I heard the point that Heather was trying to make is we may present a rough idea 30 days before and the 30 days then give us time to work it out but that rough idea the presentation of the rough idea is the is when the clock starts I think we got to break that apart a little bit so
010I think the the matter that you want the board to address needs to be specific yeah but then the suggested revisions or changes or things for consideration can be rough okay so maybe you don't need a full 30 days for just the idea to come forward you got a pulse or like whereas before you put all that work into it before yeah yeah but think about what we're trying to do we're trying to we're trying to bring the organization together so that everything works out so if we were to bring to the board let's say tonight we're going to do we're going to work on policy this this this this the board would would vote yes we're interested in that yes we're going to do that so our investment of time over the next 30
011days is not in vain vain in vain we're we're able to do that because we've already got appr approval we know we're going to bring it and then we'll bring what we've changed or brought to change and then we can so it it's not in vain if it's voted down that's just a decision by the board that has nothing to do with it it's it what it what I'm saying is that the work that would be done on it would be in vain if it were not if we did all that and then brought it and the board says n we're not interested in that right right so okay it's it's putting the the horse before the cart okay so you're you're arguing the opposite way of what I thought you were arguing sorry it's
012okay so would there be a different time frame for just proposing that you want to bring this up at the board meeting and have it added to the agenda as a topic of discussion not so much a uh looking for approval on a whole slew of you know whether it be a policy or um so in other words topic of discussion would be here's this idea related to this policy um for this reason at that point we would have a discussion and then we would know whether the rest of the board was interested in pursuing it or not exactly and then at at that which at that point then pH days before yes clock starts yeah clock starts that so let's kind of step back I think it's a great question and but but let's
013step back and look at a big picture right so so the idea is what time frame are we investing in to have a a fully vetted idea with suggestions and revisions and changes come before the board for a first read right or a discussion or an approval and the total time frame would be 60 days right the way the way that we're thinking yeah so right 30 days to present the idea tie it to the duty of the policy maybe the rough idea of what we're trying to accomplish with the change or whatever it doesn't have to be fully ironed out the board's going to vote then at that next meeting that says yes we're interested no we're not if we're not obviously it's a dead issue if we are then you've got 30 days
014to get you know like I said before your meat and potatoes together it's going to get posted you're going to have a first read and we're going to do what we normally do right at a regular session so I guess just knowing exactly like if you could tell us you need to tell me by this date if you want something added to the agenda and then from there it goes to okay now your dead if this gets approved then this is what your deadline will be going forward with the meat and potato part of it right and and so maybe 30 days is not how it lands is exact but what what the thought process was was regular session to regular session I I I get that I I get that M UH 60 days
015seems a long time to get a first read say that one more time 60 days seems a long time to get a first read why because uh a first read uh is not your going to be your final vote anyhow that means it's 90 days to a vote respectfully I agree with you I think that happens in certain situations but as you know from years P the year past it's lots of times we're putting the item to action on first read and moving oh I I I agree that that uh the day of is not good I'm just saying 60 days yeah it seems like we're backing a little I would say something along you know so to your point though and I understand what you're saying how would we get that to coincide with
016when we actually meet and decide that's you know unfortunately the way the rules work we're tied we can't have discussions and emails and go okay let's do this we have to vote on it in public we also have the work sessions in between there that we could possibly use no well I I was kind of thinking of that actually um is when when we have a work session are we could we use that instead of the ne the next as a next scheduled section session sorry I so and let's work through that idea right so we we have a work session today meeting is Monday yeah not no no you're right about that here's the other thing the work the next work session is March 17th you're you're right it's two weeks no I get
017it here here's the other thing with that we would end up creating work sessions for specific things I don't I don't see that we need to do that right um the 60 days if you think about some of the policies that we passed they' they've gone through that pretty much anyway or longer they just came it was a lot Messier here's the other thing I want to sort of to for us to consider what happens if all five of us have an initiative at the same time that's what I mean yeah okay so now we've got five votes of consideration the next agenda we got five things that everybody's presenting right and this a that's a big task to to take on top of all the other things we already have on the agenda right
018and the 60 days allows us to get through that correct yeah no you're right about that and B but just know just that's the way it works your ideas and initiatives become our so you know we' got to build room we've talked a lot budget about how stretched we are um you're going to need details you're going to need you some of it you'll be able to lift but you know we're going to have to weave in there with you so love the support like member that's the board member that has the initiative to to do most of the lifting for carries a heav that's the that's the point it's Our obligation our duty and the thing that we want to change but to Dr nicholl's Point sources of information will have to come from
019registration so it will involve them so I think the 60 days is a CU I'm already thinking in my head we need some sort of tracker and we can work on something to do that so that you know nothing gets dropped or lost or you know like we do anything well and you would you would know from the meeting where it was approved or not approved from that point that you had time to do whatever with it yeah I am just to to sort of build this into the agenda I am working on a new framework for the agenda or an expanded agenda if you will and one of the items will be you know School Board member votes of consideration where we're voting on hey this is what we're doing right um additionally some
020uh additional categories for student achievement academics and Athletics an expanded uh comment section for school board members activities and committee reports and all that so the agenda is going to get the agenda is expanding right which will make the meetings a little bit longer in certain cases some yeah depending on yeah what covered for I added a couple I'm just Drafting and taking notes for you guys um as Deputy as the real clerk is doing it um I added so at least 30 days uh prior to a scheduled meeting does that help in that first one yes um bring some because that brings a little Clarity to where where the when the clock starts running okay yeah that's the only only edit I've made if you guys come back to so it could be you
021it could certainly be before 30 days right if I put something on May obviously we you know what's going to happen is everybody's going to come to their meetings with their initiatives right right yeah right and I think you know if it happens to be on day 29 or day 28 it's not going to be a strict cut off or anything like that unless we got 48 initiatives because it might be right right so just little Common Sense approach and and you out of all fairness you can limit right defer to the next right and and I think maybe that's something we see how it plays out right if there one or two at a time and we're easily tackling those things that's fine if it ends up being 10 on every agenda then obviously
022we're going to have to set some limits well in my mind we have to prioritize and and be strategic about what what what do we want to focus on and I think we'll be more productive that way that's right that was sort of the overarching idea of the email that I originally sent out to everybody which is what are your goals what are your top three goals right right and everybody had some different things right I was hoping that um all three of those would line up ideally and for the most part they do but they also don't right there's things that people have interest in that other people don't so you know when we're taking up these initiatives and we want it to apply to a goal right it's not necessarily these are the
023three goals and that's it but but to miss CO's point it's something that what what do we as a board what are we moving forward to what are we trying to drive in this particular season that may change next next season next fall next year right you know for us right now obviously it's it's budget it's new C Elementary School it's you know academic achievement and launching a strategic plan like once those things are set then we can move on to whatever might be next any other input from anybody on this I think with a small change it's good to go Mr Rymer yeah I'm I'm good I mean you you convinced me with your thought everybody doing it at once so I add it prior to 30 days prior to a scheduled meeting okay
024that way outside of that it's as stands there are typically two large policy updates a year revolving around General Assembly too so yeah like there will probably be one after July April or May and then typically one comes out this summer right I have one additional question sir says must be tied to a policy if there is no policy and you propose a policy along with the idea I assume that meets the requirement I agree okay just wanted to make sure that was clear maybe we can make it say that must be tied to a policy or a proposal thank you y got [Applause] it and I like that because it ties in everything we do to a policy that we can point to sure yeah all right everybody okay with this topic yeah good
025very good thank you we're going to move on to the final uh topic of the evening which is School Board member visitation suggested protocol so as you guys are aware this was on Norms and protocols um we decided to remove it from norms and protocols so that we could have this meeting and discussion and work through it the idea generally speaking is to present um or have some another framework as to what individual School more members can do or how they should do it depending on the event or the involvement in you know whatever the particular topic is but primarily I think the issue was classroom visitation so again uh rough draft I'm just going to open the floor for discussion so I would like to propose number three be changed to each School Board
026member shall be entitled to one classroom visit per per quarter other visits may be made if at has uh I want to get the idea that you can request a visit request the board for for another visit okay so I'm with you let's flush that out a little bit because I think that's already accomplished here I'm not well I read that and I wasn't sure that's okay and we can we can reword it that's fine but it says unless otherwise directed by the board as a whole so the board can decide hey this is something that we want to Monitor and watch and delegate the duty to one of the members to go but I I wanted to get the idea of a a request coming for from the board member to the board for
027another visit okay not necessarily Direction by the board okay does that make sense to everybody there's a distinction I understand it yeah so youve made your visit and you see something else you want to visit about you make a request to the board it's you know I know so we can add for example and I'm just just spitballing here ladies and gentlemen we could add a 3A that says uh you know School Board member um shall be permitted to request addition request additional yeah something like that classroom visitations something like that yeah okay please open discussion as far as just in general this top part here it it seems a little not necessary I mean we are permitted to attend I mean isn't it understood that school board members we are permitted to attend these
028things if we look at policy uh K as it's currently written here it says periodically board members may visit schools within the division the purpose of these visits to is to assist in fulfilling their responsibilities and increased understanding of actual educational practices school board members follow the same procedures applicable to all the visitors in visiting the schools and then they mention up here with that to check in with the uh right the welcoming committee whatever so so my my reply to that would be that that the policy that exact policy is the policy we're trying to or at least considering to revise that is extremely generic in my opinion or reading of it and I think several board members have had questions about how does that actually work am I allowed to do go to
029this am I allowed to go to that so the idea behind sort of the the Preamble here is to say school board members are free freely allowed to do all of these things up there right so that it's clear we don't have to worry about do I need permission do I need talk to the board is it okay Dr nich right exactly exactly so so the word permitted to me I like your your word encouraged because permission it's like school board members yes but remember so this is kind of where where the rub no no but this is where the rub is which is and we're you know attending these events it's it's a gray area where we're not necessarily doing anything official right you're seen as an official and as an individual board member
030none of us have any power or authority at all so as a board we adopt a policy that sort of creates that um gotcha Paradigm if you will the school board has said Keith as an individual member can go to all the award ceremonies he wants right right right it's almost like a delegation right does that make sense M anybody on that tell me that policy again EXC I've looked at it before I it's KK it's it's um KK section just looking at something Beyond visitors to the school yeah and and I think to your clanky I mean yes we're visitors to the school but we're not and that's why it's separated there's parents generally and then board members right um they're different categories right are different different people for different reasons for going there
031well and that's I'm the perfect example of that right I can show up to something as a school board member I can show up as a as a parent I can show up as a citizen what am I doing and am I complying with the rules right if I've got centrally a rubber stamp as a school board member to go to these award ceremonies I don't have to worry about gotcha permission or notification or and even if anyone questions there it is correct can I also have clarification one and two seem to be a little contradictory okay as written um this one says well we could read it I I think it means after step one there's no need to right do anything El what is the proper protocol and chain of command and advise
032the superintendent of a desired visitation at least 48 hours in advance those two parts of the sentence may actually be one and the same this could be yeah right so I I think what what the draft the idea of the draft is is that the school board member would notify the superintendent of a desire to visit okay but one of the issues um or questions that were raised was you know sort of doing a classroom visit without the advance notice so that the school board member can get the the raw view if you will instead of a performance by a teacher because they know hey somebody's coming to take a look which is is the idea behind number two so in other words uh number one is just advising the superintendent that you want to
033visit a particular building but you don't not you do not need to specify why are there and I will tell you just for implementation specify what classroom oh right okay what classroom you're going to visit for example practical tomorrow so let's say a board two days ago says Hey I want to go to Middle School observe literacy whatever I'll say there's a horrible day to go is staff student faculty basketball game you're going to show up and it'll be a great time but you will see no literacy during one to two or it's a field trip or it's testing or you know we we run a there are a million things going on every day that we sort of have um laid out so we could in number one miss we could eliminate shall follow
034the proper protocol and chain of command that that whole sort of part of the sentence and just say School Board member shall advise superintendent superintendent now I've visited classrooms with the superintendent does that fit my visit does that mean that I have met my one visit requirement or limit so I visited classrooms M multiple times I visited them with Ross and and his knowledge and gone there with Ross and sure and observe I've gone with the superintendent multiple times and observed uh and I've done it more than once a quarter yeah here in lines the problem right when you pull him or you pull Ross or you pull anybody else to go with you you're interrupting well actually some of the times I followed him well you're you're actually there's a there's that line the
035top of the line is Schoolboard members the bottom of that line is administrative duties responsibilities okay you're dipping below that line when you do that if you make requirement now but if I may let's take that one step further and I think this is maybe the overarching issue at least that I have I had no idea you were in that classroom I had no idea what you did in that classroom I got no information from that classroom and neither did anybody else on this board got it you had no authority to be in that classroom well the one time I actually did but you understand what I'm saying I'm not saying each you know you did something wrong but the idea is why did you do that what information did you get from doing that
036did you bring back actually brought back to the scho right but that's the point that's what we want to do right did you bring it back to the school board so all of us now are informed about it right and then maybe it's an initiative we're putting on the agenda because we want to change something that's the idea got it that was part of the problem because we didn't have an Avenue for communicating that information because we're not supposed to talk together and then you know right yeah it becomes an individual it becomes an individual thing that that the board at large has no idea what you know what's going on what's you know what the purpose was is it something that needs attention is it something that needs to be changed and this I
037think is a mechanism to really inform the entire board keep everybody it's not an individual uh Quest or goal right although the individual is the one seeking the information and Mr R I'm going to connect a specific example with you so number four up there it's not numbered um so above that four uh attend events that have been invited by the school principal member School Division so specific example with you um in budget last year you talked about instructional coaches and not so what we did related to budget we invited you and did that piece you came back to this table and said strong ADV coaches so to to me that was not a question that is not to me that's under to me I'm not a voting member but to me that falls under
038that um to attend events that have been invited now I didn't write it but I could have easily written yeah you're forgiven so no I'm just trying to clarify that's what we're all doing well that's why I'm saying that that is my interpretation of that fourth one up there I just want to make sure we're all bless you my son you are forgiv okay so then when we email the aary of the report I think that's a great idea this is part of that whole transparency and accountability and informing everybody else right um because we can divide and conquer but share right but then if it's emailing to everyone as long as we don't have a conversation about it I can send it out to everyone or do I have to still send that email
039out to you and another one to you you know what separately to you to you well what I would suggest is bring it to the board meeting you can email you just can't have a conversation in real time in real time reply all so a text message would not be a good idea no but a summary of classroom visit here's a summary of the you without breaking anything can send it to All Team new if you don't want to reply you just have to be careful I wouldn't want to reply yeah it's a finding I think you're using you're using your better judgment for what is the best practice here right if it if it's we visit a classroom here's all the information I glean from that visitation and I'm going to shoot it out
040to all you guys because we all should have the same exact information right then maybe in that email I'm saying you know it was a great visit I don't see anything for us to discuss don't reply right yeah or it's um here's what I found I think we need to to you know to to work on this guys I'm going to make it as one of my initiatives don't reply right right and that's how we're we're trying to create a framework to get things to the board so we can make some some action good okay can I make a statement please um I have some concerns that I just feel like I need to kind of hammer out about this so um like don't get too cons too serious I brought my happy Hammer um
041I feel like I want to dress the elephant in the room so I also an elephant little um the elephant in the room being I feel like I'm the one who's caused the problem and going in and visiting I know well um I do I like to go in the schools it was I like volunteering the schools I like to be in the classrooms and get a feel for how things are going it was a promise I made to myself and my constituents when I was running that I was going to be doing that I I get that I understand what you're coming at with all this um and that it is important to have protocols in place um one of I guess one of the reasons why it upset me the first when that
042first came out was it felt like based on the conversations that Mr fot and I had about how some seeing my visits is upsetting or disruptive um I like I I didn't see it that way I'd always called or uh emailed the teacher and asked them you know when a good time would be for me to come I laid it out this is not you're not being observed I'm just there to help I really just want to be there to offer my thanks and any support court and again just kind of see how the the kids are doing um so it it really sad at me to to know that I was causing issues or making teachers feel like they're being observed and watched cuz that wasn't my intention at all um but when I
043first received that you know the first we have to get permission just kind of felt like I was being accused of committing a crime and now issued to a streaming order and I didn't have a chance to like give my side of the story um or like a parent with you know in the custody dispute okay now you can't go visit your kids unless we're there to monitor you and it just that's how it hit me um so first I just want to offer my apologies to the teachers and administrators anybody I may have felt like I was in there to cause trouble or undermine their efforts that is not at all what I was going in the schools to do in any way um I just felt like being in the schools would help
044me make better decisions on you know as a school board member um but my other concern in reading these was that if if these if any of these are being created to help the teachers the administrators not feel like they're being watched um some of these came across to me as very like if a teacher knows that we have to email summary or report back to the school board I don't know if the teacher's going to really feel at ease you know knowing that especially if I'm like in the back of the room making all these notes I'm just concerned like you have to do this what would be I told Dr Nichols like something right out the kgd man I a going to come in CL and then I have to submit a report
045by0 $800 hours two days week um I just want to I just wondered maybe would it be worth getting some teacher input like and creating a culture a paradigm ship where teachers know that why we're in there we're not in there to critique them or to say why are you doing it this way um just something we can do if we get teachers that can maybe provide some input as to what they would feel most comfortable with um I always felt like I had a good visit and maybe they were just too afraid this you that's just been the weirdest thing about being on the school board hearing that you intimidate people that you're the boss I I know but Heather you did that prior to being we can I have never not 12 not
046individually I've just never been in a you know authoritative position and so it's just weird for me to hear that I'm trying to get it in my head but I always thought you know teachers appreciate me coming in you know maybe they're just like trying to see like yes you're great wonderful um so but what can we do to really have a conversation where we are team you can and we're not just in there like well letting them if I I was actually in there to evaluate now I I'm I'm the bad guy here I mean I was going in to ass this sounds much better assess and evaluate a particular practice and uh and I had a postmortem after the session with so it was very clear that I was doing that um and
047we talked about in the budget session something else that uh Dr Nichols was advocating and I was thinking of doing something similar um to satisfy myself that it was it works you know that's why I'm going in I'm not I'm primarily not going in there to evaluate the the teacher itself but the program and but I'm evaluating I'm assessing right Mr chair please um first Mr oski let me say this to you um I don't believe I mean um what you did is what you deemed to be right and and proper and fulfilling what you had said you would do so don't don't ever think that that's a bad thing I think all of us coming in New board members primarily um are the first part of that is feeling our way through and and
048figuring out and also you'll learn uh and I think you did this is um board member 101 um people teachers friends in the school system look at you very differently now it's weird than they did when you were down there you were doing the same thing um but I like what we're doing here because we're setting um we're charting a course for school board members school boards to come um that don't have to experience perhaps what you experienced or however that worked out um but I think it's ironic that we're spending this much time on simply one of our most medial duties um and not um and and that's why I would like to to get it put down um uh vetted go through it figure it out get it down and um be done
049with it from the standpoint because this is the one this can't be ambiguous like it's written in policy because this is the one place that I think a lot of school boards and a lot of school board members bleed over into the administrative responsibilities we do not have administrative respons responsibilities we either trust Administration or we don't we I don't completely agree with that well you don't have to and it's I have the floor right now so you wait please thank you um but the point is this the point is we um we have enough to do functioning as a school board that we don't need to dip into and quite frankly are not qualified even to dip into the administrative side of things so I would like to see this um finished completed vetted
050put into policy so it gives direction from here forward and we can move on into uh I'm not saying that visiting the schools aren't important they that is important for and and being actively involved I think is more important when you go to um a special event um recognition ceremonies things like that that is where we probably give our best encouragement and do our best work from a school board member um perspective but I I wouldn't um I wouldn't wear this thing as something you know that and I don't look at this as though we're slapping your wrist not at all this needs to be done the policy is just way too broad and doesn't have specifics let me just make a couple comments on that before I forget please so I've said this before
051but I'll say again to to all of you I don't think any board member is acting not in Earnest or not in the best interest of the schools their their constituents and and the thing that we're trying to accomplish I think that's what we're all trying to do it's just understanding how we're maybe allowed to do that not allowed to do that with the law with the policy and with now our role as a school board member which unfortunately is authoritative right and and we have oversight over all of these people so we are treated and looked at differently but here's what I can tell you at the chairman meeting that I went to for new chairman this was a Hot Topic and I am in a room with 200 people that represented 30 different
052School boards lawyers from William Mullen the vsba spokespeople all that and every single School Board is tackling this issue every one of them and it's because the lawyers were saying and I think I told a couple of you guys this this particular code section right the school board member shall secure by visitation is very ambiguous it's very gray it was written by Thomas Jefferson with respect to UVA when they had Board of visitors that were coming from New York and other states to make rules about UVA so the idea that we have car launch ability to go into classroom versus we don't is is very great there's no tenuous legal answer to it it's actually very interesting so when this came up 50 hands shot in the air can I go into the classroom can
053I not go into the classroom but what I heard overall was that most of the school boards had their norms and protocols as to how it operated right so that is the sort of the goal here to answer some of these questions to give us the ability to do these things we're not trying to remove it it's just this this is how we do it so that we know when we do it we're doing it for lack of a better word safely right so I agree with with with the rules and the protocols and then it's the it sort of ties back into something that I was a little bit frustrated with last year which is you know at our regular meetings and everybody would say can I get that information I'd like to know
054about that can I get that data nothing ever came from that and if an individual board member did actually receive the data from admin that they requested I certainly didn't get a copy of it I certainly have no idea what that looked like or why it was asked for or what somebody was going to do with that information and that's a problem right because legally we don't act like that we operate as a unit so like we're saying with these classroom visits if you're going to email the summary that's because all of us need to be informed of what the result was and then is it something that we as a unit need to act on or not right if we want to make sure that math and Tech and whatever classrooms we're visiting are
055operating and students are VI are you know are uh whatever the word is you know functioning highly then yeah absolutely but it's tied back to our duty as a board a responsibility we have as a board a policy we want to change a new program we instituted and we want to know the results of right and us as a board can decide to do that all we want we can go into a classroom every single day if the board decides that's what we want to do so to be clear I agree with you and I see that as administrative function to some extent that's part of why I I see your point about the and I think you're right we do need these that single members shouldn't be initiating these visits it should be the
056board that is clear and that part I do like uh the only thing that I want want was fundamentally disagreeing with is I do believe we have an administrative function we have it by law we are part of the adjudication process right we're the final word when it comes to uh a uh I I see your point but I think that's above the line uh but I also think we have an administrative function which you just suggested which is when the board decides that they need to review uh whether or not a program is working correctly that also is an administrative function uh well again I see your point I I disagree on the parlament or the semantics I mean I think that's oversight that's governance okay right we're not running the dayto day right
057we're we're evaluating a classroom to see if the instructions are according toing to our policy with the goals we're trying to achieve that flow back to the data in our strategic plan okay there um again just PA can I I think that part of this um part of I think what we ran on was uh uh accountability and transparency and changing the culture and the expectation this is not about a gacha this is about uh an a a culture of excellence and the expectation that we as a board and that's why I like the idea that we're going to decide together how that should look but that we as a board uh and all of us have different skills and talents that we bring to the board right I'm an educator by profession we it's
058right and proper to go and observe um and I think more observe uh I don't have the right to tell someone how to teach I don't have the right to tell an administrator how how to do his job or her job but being in the building also creates a culture of I think how do you build the trust right between teachers administrators the super superintendent the board members the culture right now is like you said oh they're now they're afraid of me I want us to be able to change that culture because we're all here for the same goal and that is those kids and what's best for those kids their education their safety that they're getting the best you know possible so when they graduate those three e okay so how do we change
059the culture to one of trust and an expectation that hey any one of us should be no teacher should be upset if someone comes in to observe them as long as they do it respectfully treating them as a professional Etc but this idea that we can't be going into a school a classroom and observing the method of teaching and the curriculum how it's being taught is part of our responsibility as a school board because now we're having these budget talks and all of that plays into these decisions we're making with you know where the money is going to go so I think it's very appropriate to go into and observe um and some of us have more experience than others and I think that's what we're saying except that with the with the direction approval
060of the board well you you don't have to have approval of the board so you're once a quarter correct which means by the way all five of us that's 20 visits a year right okay let me let me just say a couple things and then and then I will yield to the next person so I I think part of the problem is and I didn't when I was running I I was lucky that I was UN opposed right so I didn't have to stomp as much as maybe other people on on the board and and I can only imagine you know how fun and un exciting that would have been but the the promises and this is going to sound very po I can't believe it's going to come out of my mouth but the
061promises that were were made by whomever on the campaign Trail okay were again in Earnest and in the best interest of and why you were elected but unfortunately some of those things are now buttressing up against the actual rules that we are required to operate by that perhaps we didn't know when we were campaigning right and that's a little bit of a rub too because we said we wanted to do these things but guess what you're probably not actually allowed to do that thing you said you were going to do so so there's a little bit of an issue there but but your point your point Greg reminded me of something else so and this is just for informational purposes but it presents a potential conflict of interest for us sitting in the classroom so
062this was a discussion this was a discussion that was had because we are an adjudicative body right think about you think judges don't hang out with lawyers they're not even allowed to go to the same parties together because the judge has to make a decision at some point right so the lawyer gave an example which was hey you're sitting in the classroom and you're observing with a teacher and you have a conversation you have a hey thanks for thanks for coming out you know you did a great job you did you had this conversation and six months from now you're the one in the Clos session voting on whether that person needs to be termin that case I would recruit recuse you have to you can recuse yourself you have to right but that creates
063an issue for us as a board because now we've got a four member board right and we vote two two we have no decision- making ability right so just just a legal point and of course I'm a lawyer right so that's why I get hung up on it's a good point but you do have a conflict of interest at some point right so these visitations and and the culture thing is Big it's just where are we able to draw that line with the teacher because at some point we do oversee all of these teachers and make the rules that they operate by we don't want to be seen as the people with the hammer you can be in the back of the classroom you can have a smile you can take your notes you can
064say thank you very much and but what else I'm not sure here's the other point I admire that you want to create a culture whether or not they don't fear a board member coming into their classroom or whatever else you can't do it I'm sorry it's unrealistic expectation the fact is unless you spend relationships are built on time spent yeah together and just a pop in once every two months once every quarter whatever we'll not build a relationship a trusting relationship I don't even believe when I think of School Board I don't even think of creating that kind of culture with the teachers themselves Andor administrators in the building I want to know them I want them to know me I want I want that but my primary goal as board member is to work
065through Dr Nichols to work everything through if there is an issue if one of my constituents calls and says hey this is going on and lays out whatever it is I'm going to him I'm going to I'm going to take that there and go this is this is what this is the information I have this is an administrative thing and because I'm not there I'm not quite frankly I don't have the time either uh nor do I feel it my responsibility to spend more than a visit a quarter in the in the school themselves um I I will take the time that I have as far as the being a school board member and work on specific policy uh reviewing budget crunching out what you know what the information we've been given and then bring
066that back so I I would love it if Dr Nichols has built the relationships that he has with everyone because he has the responsibility and ability to be in the school I mean at all hours i' I've never seen anything to beat it quite frankly um we I think missa that's an impossible goal to achieve um from the standpoint as a board member with the schools as as sad as that sounds I think um my own and I'll preface my own personal feeling is that's an impossibility to form form and and build those cohesive relationships now you may have some because you guys in teaching maybe you've subed or whatever and you have those relationships built already uh I don't and I don't expect that in four years that I'm on the board or eight
067years or whatever I'll be able to build those okay if that makes sense it makes sense I and I wasn't even going to the point you're right that we're not going to establish these tight relationships that's unrealistic but I I think the expectation that it's perfectly fine and acceptable for to expect a visit from a school board member and you know that's just part of how it is uh as part of accountability transparency all that I think we all agree that that's absolutely we want the ability to do that we're we're setting out that you do have the ability to do that without notifying the rest of us that one time you want to do the visit if you want more than that then I think right we we've got to have some board action
068on that and and again tying it back to a purpose or sharing that information with the board so we're functioning as a unit is probably just the overarching theme Mr roner yeah all that being said having this was a good discussion I think it clarified uh in my mind uh where a lot of people are coming from and it clarified some in brought up some interesting issues as far as the document after reading it and this discussion I'm good with it except for the suggestions that I requested um um and I just wanted to yeah put that on the record I think we've got a couple more points to to hit this for feedback but before we do that one second before we do that I'm curious if Dr Nichols want to weigh in on
069on classroom visitations absolutely what your feel is what the teachers feel is and Mr BR I really appreciate your comments uh thank you uh um publicly um sort of my connection to it in a couple Vantage points one is the the building that go ahead just rip Sor um so I'm six years in I spend let's call it 50% of my time at school is probably greater than that Morning Noon night I have three events on Saturday that I don't have to go to any of but I'll be I showed up today in this suit which I is not even my nicest suit and somebody goes oh my God something's happening today you're too dressed up for I've been here six years they've seen me in dunk tanks and all this kind of stuff you
070are still the school board member you're the school I'm still the superintendent As Nice And as approachable there is always going to be and I'm probably one of the least formal superintendent you'll meet but there are times it's I'm still no matter how much I all those times they they visited and said nice things to me they still afraid of me it's it's I fear is may be the wrong word but the no respect yeah no I'm with you but the respect for the the authority and the hierarchy and that is even in a even in a small school divisions like this um I will never be Brian I'll be Dr Nichols and I'll be the superintendent so even in the staff basketball game tomorrow I will still be and I'll get the calls from
071the r because they're kids and they want to graduate so they're going to get me the call so that that's that piece there I think in essence what you're doing the reason I asked about policy because I wanted to double check there's no rag associated with that policy so what you guys are really doing is the policy is Broad should be the regulation is specific so you're really creating regulations for yourself related to policy KK is is kind of my when where will the regulation be attached well this isn't a formal regulation I'm just making the parallel if you guys wanted to make it would be kk- R um so if you look at policy you will see some have the same letter with an R behind it okay um and that's the regulations as
072a matter of fact on Monday we're bringing you an update to a regulation um around early graduation now board members don't have to approve regulations that's really the administrative day-to-day work uh but we need to share it with you and and and do those pieces so this doesn't necessarily require board approval and you're the board making this so it definitely doesn't um but in in my head that was the connection I was Mak to policy PK so thank you sir Mr BR Mr brought on two occasions one including tonight you specified that you don't feel the need to go into the schools or do things like that because you trust our I just want to make sure that I'm not being misunderstood because I go into the schools because I don't trust them that's not
073about all oh no I wasn't implying that and also that when I'm going into the school I'm not looking to do any administrative work I mean I'm just I'm just there to help and see what's going on um so I just want to make that very clear that especially any questions I might ask it's I hope it doesn't but I can understand if it does if it comes across as if that means I don't trust you that is not at all everything I'm trying to learn with Schoolboard and what their responsibilities and what it's all about I'm learning all the time that good governance comes from asking good strategic questions and that's really what I do when I'm in the classroom if I do ask questions or here at the Schoolboard meeting I that's what
074I'm just trying to get to the bottom of when I think just want to make sure you I got it thank you for that piece too um but so I mean just I got an email the other day from a school because Mr nebroski had reached out and helped with do no not qual outo it's been a long day you ought to know better Quinton was almost the koala that's a different story but so because of that which is outlined in one two or three up top um I had the same school reached out do you think Miss nebroski would be interested in being a judge for a talent show it's on whatever the date was so no so I'm working my way I'm I'm also your air traffic controller so I look at this
075it's like April 2 whatever the date is I'm like oh we're all clear on that day yes please ask her she would love to do it if she has an opportunity um but that's I'm not trying to there's no roadblock here I'm just trying to make sure traffic flows smoothly that's all not all I'm trying to do but in this instance that's really what my focus is make it carpet all right does anyone else have any comments about or suggestions or want to discuss any other of the line items so we haven't talked about number five yet and then of course we've got four uh OB obervation protocols on the second page Mr chair I I um as far as number five goes no school board member shall be permitted to have or make um
076one on one contact with um I I don't know um that I see that that would be necessary if you omitted that and it read no school board member shall be permitted to make individual requests of Any teacher administrator or staff member unless I I I I don't know that um to have or make one-on-one contact with uh or maybe you want to expand on that a little bit um that seems to me um I don't I don't understand why that's there that's almost restrictive to the point that it will prohibit um any contact one-on-one conversation or or whatever else um as long as we're not making individ ual requests of anyone or so if if yeah I just throw that out to yeah when I when I read that I was like but I
077have a neighbor that's a teacher that I see at the pool can I so I I mean I just think that's a bit restrictive but maybe I'm missing something in that that that I'm more than welcome to have yeah point point well taken and again guys remember this is a work in progress so if if we're looking at five which we're going to come back to in a second and then go back to number one right which is school board members shall advise the superintendent of a visitation five doesn't necessarily specifically address visitation um and maybe it needs to be reworded or dealt with elsewhere but again I think it comes back to Keith Pagano who shoots an email to the high school algebra teacher that says hey give me all the test results for
078that one particular test I don't think that's a requ EST I should be making or I have the power to make and if I'm going to do that I've got to do it through Mr superintendent is sort of the point so maybe it it needs to be rewarded I understand that um and and by the way just what Dr Nichols just said right so if we're giving permission for that particular teacher or staff member to reach out directly to Miss D Broski or Miss Cuna to attend this event that's not the type of contact we're trying to prohibit right it's individual oneon-one requests for information that maybe we did last year that shouldn't be happening moving forward so why don't you word it that way and it says I don't know what I just said
079and it the word and it just says individual I'm going have to take a break with yeah um yeah so maybe you're I think maybe Mr VA is on to it so uh no school board member shall be permitted scratch out the rest of that until we get to right to make individual request unless we've got permission or delegated the duty by the board okay so we're scratching out to have or make one-on-one contact with so we're going straight from shall be permitted to make correct no school board members shall be permitted to make individual requests of Any teacher corre okay all right I got that now one thing I want to clarify I in my impetuosity reached out to Dr today with the question that came up with Maggie Walker and then I was
080like that's right but if it's just like little and we're not asking for like reports or statistics or anything I mean I I think this is the the so we have no problem answering everything that one question took us an hour shut the front door so it's just you think it so that's sort of where we need we're happy we want my job is to take care of you guys but and and hany can jump up here if you but we had to run down state funding for Maggie Walker we had to run loc so those seem like those sort of requests are quick what's the difference between this and this oh it's 8 - 6 but we actually had to go to several different tables and happy to do it and just came up
081at Maggie Walker me so I just like oh and here here's the thing back to hierarchy you are my boss collectively and when you asked me for something as a board or even as a like I told M Bros the other day she asked for something I got up in the middle of our budget meeting went and got it that's that's what you do you take care I ask for was the name of the person right but I that's my point though is we will stop and we will get you what you need we just need you to make sure you really need it and the Board needs it and we're happy to do it um so I I'm glad you brought that up because you and I didn't reconnect before cuz so that's what
082you should say this is going to take a while let's get it proed Dr Nichols I me I did I did appreciate that she came through you and I think that's more you don't say the superintendent there's small progress being made yeah now next time go through the board so and I and I I appreciate Haney's point because so if and M Nei came to me so if she had come to Haney here's what happens Haney then comes to me and goes I just got this request what do I do so now we're mixed up into three different ways which is why this really helps us organizationally to be efficient um so that it's not coming it's going to come to me one way or another it's it's easier for it to come to me
083directly so we can we can kind of work through it I I'll work on being better about saying hey take yes don't be afraid to say no just say well I I think I think what just happened there what you described is exactly why we're doing this um so that we can bring it all because I don't have a clue what you just talked about right yeah was it educational was it something we need to be worried about is it something which is what we were discussing at the Maggie Walker Regional boardings one I just thought somewhat somewhat budget related far tuition so could you rethink that that's another question so when let's say now I'm chesap Bay Governor school and I attend something and I get information should I be sharing it then with
084everyone because not everybody's on the same committee right we're on a different committee and I think that's where I'm sorry I'm um so one of the things in the draft that Mr P's putting together to expand the board meeting would be superintendent I mean board member and committee comment so miss COA and I are going to chesap Bay next week she's going to learn a lot in her first visit there and will likely come back to the next board meeting go I visited chese Bay this you know in theory yeah I have a lot to say about RV I get it so yeah but I think that's how that would unless maybe it's an urgent matter maybe that's also an appropriate time to request information yeah right because now we're doing it at a public
085session we're doing it the board and we're going to get the information or maybe somebody can answer the question in that meeting and put it to bed well I love that I love that you put that in the structure of the agenda because that was part of the kind of dysfunctionality there with communication um so that will be very try that will not be on Monday we make things move fast Monday is Monday so all right let's go to the second page unless you guys are yeah number five I don't know yeah all right protocols for observations anybody on any one of these it just I just think of me sitting in the back of the classroom excuse me right right yes you can Envision it sure sit on the side of the classroom if
086you want depends on how I I I think yeah we it's um these These are regulations um they're not you know we're not in boot camp and we're not you know trying to so I think I think it's good to have the structure I think it's good to have the the guidelines the guard rails if you will so the second one and you're right these are guard Wells because the second one I'm like okay so if a student asks me a question or if the teacher says Miss K would you like to join group b and you know sure sorry I can't do that because I'm only supposed to be that's a fantastic question and let's let Dr Nichols address that so if a teacher wants to engage with the school board member during their
087classroom visitation you have any no thoughts about that cuz cuz it happened to me not too long ago and I just went into check on kids and teachers and next thing I know I'm doing a small group um so I am an educator by trade and I do it but um so I think and a kid will come up to you and honestly when I'm in classrooms I talk to more kids than they do adults adults are you know um and you learn a lot from our students so in in that if if a kid wants to come up and talk to you talk to them if a teacher wants to pull you in cuz you're another set of hands and you have skills I mean yeah like we were invited once that's to me
088I think that's right I mean I would I would wait for for the f I wouldn't take it upon myself now if I'm observing and the teacher's doing something go hey wait a minute why' you do that because I see you know then you're interrupting the whole flow of the and you know that I'm not telling you anything don't sorry go ahead yeah and I don't know that that's something that we could actually spell out every K right we don't want it to involve the kids at all at least in my opinion you want to talk to a kid talk to a kid that's the whole point right but I don't think we can address all of those nuanced situations so it's at that point it's basically don't be disrupted all right at that point
089it's use you know use your best judgment as a school board member right use your discretion and your best judgment to say all right you know teacher asked me for help I'm going to get up and help not a problem teacher ask me all these other questions about policy and regulations I'm probably not going to engage right now right use your best judgment so this and the other thing about this sorry I'm Excuse me the other thing about this is you know we're we're setting a regulation we want it to be as good as we can out of the gate but all this stuff is subject to change moving forward right so if we figure out hey this actually doesn't work and every single time I'm in the classroom the teacher asks me this right
090now we can know that and address that moving forward right or maybe then we give some sort of edict to the teachers that says hey when we're visiting we're happy to help but you can't ask us these kinds of things moving forward not saying no right so we don't know what we don't know at the moment or how each nuanced experience is going to be so it's again using your best judgment and then bringing that you know if you're in a situation that's weird or tenuous or we don't know how to act and bring it back to the board and we can create some kind of discussion and framework around hey that situation it made me uncomfortable I didn't know what to do here's as a board what we say we'll do in the future
091that's the point situation please I was in a Elementary Music Class and there's one teacher and one of the kids had use the bathroom she's like I'm sorry I can't can't let you go she was could you take me like sure then I'm like trouble might just stood outside the bathroom but maybe that's one thing that right right like I the girl like I said they will use you it's another pair of hand fine I was so happy to help but yeah it was like one of those and yeah that's contrary to what's being said here that's somebody's asking you to engage to help out makes sense yeah we'll do that common sens is yeah we'll do that it doesn't I mean it's you know but this is not to go in and sit there
092and go oh hey you're not supposed to be teaching like that or you know what do you I can't believe he just said that you know well see the other thing is I didn't think I was being disruptive but apparently those were the reports I would only ask questions like during downtime if they're working in groups on their own and I try to be quiet about it so what one person deems is non-disruptive another might deem as very disruptive seems like I think there's also something about setting the expectations of the at the beginning that's right yes uh because for all the parties involved right you know when I went in to evaluate they knew I was coming into a uh when you're coming in to visit just you know OB erve maybe you know
093we maybe there's just make it clear at the beginning what the visit is what the purpose of the visit is my emails were very sistic okay so let's let's on on that let's look at number one again right and so was work work through it with me and and please just jump in so Schoolboard member agrees that the visitation will be utilized for the sole purpose maybe we get rid of Soul purp for the purpose of observing and collect I think right there we can say and or right so if you don't want to be in the back of the classroom taking notes right you can just observe that's okay right collecting information and or data again specifically rated related to a school board um maybe it's not necessarily Duty maybe it's well this was
094ende initiative budget uh uh it was a budget priority issue right um D is not a bad order fine I think you had another the comment M okay any other uh comments about the first one comments on the second one anybody again I think we say is allowed to observe end or take notes staff's generally not available to converse during the visit staff and instructional programs dictate full attention must be given to students at all times I mean we okay with that as is yeah sure sure all right uh Schoolboard m will take any necessary steps to minimize disruptions to learning environment caused by their presence I think this is the whole thing we're talking about and again this is very nuanced we got to use our our sole discretion right any issues concerns or
095questions that arise during the visitation shall be addressed with school administrator and brought back to the school board as a whole that's why we're there right find out what these issues are bring them back to the board and let's see if it's something we want to act on or not right question I'm sorry Mr BR go ahead might is it school-based administrator or is it with the superintendent all right that's what I would I think it should with the superintendent because yeah I agree he's their boss yeah sounds good all right and then the last one School Board member shall avoid access and take all necessary steps to maintain confidentiality and protect the personally identifiable information related any to any of the students School Board re member recognizes the visitation consists of any all time
096spent in New Kent County public school facility the rules apply to the entire visit so um you know notion behind this of course is we've got little kids we've got and numbers and right sorry no doxing I don't know what that means photo ops doing means uh very making public exactly the kind of information exactly exactly all right anybody have any other comments or input here board members for record keeping purpose I've kept up with the edits on a Google doc which we'll of course share with you um one question so we have three you share the Google Doc I haven't yet no ma' okay so three is each school should be entitled to one class so we have that you did a 3A I have it as a four right now um School Board
097shall be permitted to request additional visits which would make four five and make five six so I have six for you on there um that work about 3A sure it's fine okay all right thank you y all right anybody else on this topic all right just C I'm sharing it now before we go to action items we're going to take a very very quick recess sorry I anticipated e e e right back in session we are now under the action items before we start on this action item list just some comments real quick for you guys just a question I guess for you guys input so we have been making changes on the fly yeah um I am okay with putting this to vote and then obviously superintendent can share the document with us subject
098to our review if we catch anything we can obviously amend it moving forward but I'd like to get it in place anybody have an objection to that I do just just for one clarification because we're approving the norms and protocols this evening right that's the action it yes because the previous um norms and protocols form still does not have the changes we made to that number one and then leaving out the this idea of or approval uh you to to go into the building so how does that how does that what we're approving here how does that approve how does that relate to the strap because we made some changes the last time remember yes there was some wording on the on the first page are correct and then I think we removed the two
099or three things that related to the thing we're talking about tonight so you're saying that and you approved it as amended as amended but nowhere is that uh reflected reflected and we don't we haven't seen that amended document right it'll be in the minutes but I how can I approve something you've already deny it NOP you approved the original document as you amended it okay which is what You' be doing T that's not what they're saying so we right yeah this is not and it would be nice to have the whole document as amended with the new amendments as well ultimately once we vote on this and it's approved then yes I think that's the prop put it together in one document is that what you're saying okay the only caveat I have to that
100is making sure that it's all the final document has everything as is correct which is which is what I'm suggesting right because we I wasn't aware of that obviously but what we've done tonight is look at these and then we've made some changes on the fly through our discussions yes right and I would be a lot more comfortable with doing that had she not made the point that she made that the original we still don't have the original document or the document as amended in front of us understood and I think that's something that needs to be addressed so we can get that document and make sure that what we voted on last time exactly if you will there could be confusion that's all I'm worried about I have I have shared both of these
101do amended documents with you because we did them on the Fly for these items now so you when you get to your technology you will have I could I mean the thing is as long as we're again I don't want to vote on something that's not in final form tonight well this section of it will be in final form be okay with amended as as amended and can be added to that other document a later dat let's do this let me one just a point of clarification uh fellow board members So based on our discussions that we had tonight I I think Dr Nichols is right in so much as these are more regulations yes than they are you remember that Norman protocol they're very short blurs so so maybe in the Norman protocol document
102where we're replacing what we removed last time it's going to make reference to yes a revised KKR right the the the school board member visitation now regulation because I'm going to put all of this into the Norman protocol document right I don't think that's the purpose it becomes a little cumbersome right but it does need to be there does need to be here so here right now just says board members when authorized by the board should call or email a superintendent giving a 24 to 48 hour notice if possible related to that we removed these so youing at an old version yeah but we don't have the new version that's the that's the whole point I have not seen the new version but you already approved it you approved it that night as amended you
103you just need the amended version so can we vote on the today's and then vote on a combined thank you do you see where I'm going I do but just again a point of clarification and and guys jump in that I think Miss Davis is trying to make is we voted on it as amended so the form that we looked at we approved it with those changes right yes we need to see it yes we need to have a copy of it but any of those changes are not approved right because we didn't do that as a board so m andn regardless of what copy you have do not exist we did not approve them right right and then language changes it's public record we can watch it on YouTube right we made those changes
104that's what we agreed to we do need to get a circulated copy of that revised form but what's in place now that we're operating by is what we voted on and I think that maybe the distinction okay okay does that make sense now the other I want to make sure we're we're clear on this um this will will be going in as policy or regulation it would not be policy if you want it to be regulation I can take this and put it into regulation form well regulation doesn't require that we correct it just requires that we so what I would do is take this and make it KKR um and once again share with like you already have both of these docents cuz the policy is already in place voted on amended voted on
105it's there so so we basically this becomes the regulation regulatory part the leg of the so what do we need to do so is the prior what we uh approved is that a policy and this is the regulation no both regulations no so those are norms and protocols so not even a reg a um because there's a policy that specifically mentions School visitation and you're doing this off of it we can make that a regulation or you can make it your school board visitation protocols and then it it doesn't go in here it's just part of your rules that you follow and you know guidelines that you've developed so I'm happy to whatever you want so what's the easiest way to do this yeah well I'm I'm curious now because this this is fun right
106yeah so Dr Nichols is saying that we don't have to Andor don't necessarily have the authority to say we're going to vote and approve these regulations I don't know that I necessarily agree with that obviously I trust the man but if he decid I'm not doing that what have we done tonight right right right it's a whole lot of nothing so I think we could put some type of vote to say that as discussed and as amended we direct Dr Nichols to add these regulations and create KKR I move that we direct Dr Nicholls to uh create these regulations as discussed and amended um I move that we do that do I have a second second any discussion Mr chair can I ask a question yes ma'am on the action items you have it's separated
107both norms and protocols for Schoolboard visitation and for policy revisions correct the one right now before us is just the member visitation okay so the other one would not be a rag at all that is just the the proced so do you need to amend the agenda or no because he's doing the I made a motion correct motion has been seconded again any discussion all right M Davis please pull the board Mr Rymer hi Mr V hi M oski hi Miss Kia hi Mr Pagano hi all right motions approved 5 Z so the next one is the we'll call it the school board member initiative protocol um this I think is simple enough to add to our norms and Protocols of how we operate it's not I think as suggested necessarily we could make a
108poli but it's not necessarily a policy I move that we direct Dr Nicholls to add this to our as a policy as a norm initiative uh entitled school school board member initiatives protocol second second thank you uh any discussion I just think Mr rmer likes to direct me I do I enjoy that because it's Dr n yeah I I would ask Mr Rhymer so we can keep the motion simple to amend his motion to note as discussed and amended I agree to this that Amendment second a second thank you all right M Davis pull the board Please Mr Rymer all Mr V hi M OSI hi Miss CA hi and Mr Pagano hi all right initiative protocol passes 5 do I hear a motion to approve the changes to the school board meeting calendar so
109moved second excellent love you guys all right Miss Davis please pull the board um I'm gonna say Mr VA was the second on that is that yes that's fine Mr Rymer I Mr v i Mr OSI I hi and Mr Pano hi all right School Board change uh passes 5-0 upcoming meetings the next meeting of the school board will be Monday March 3rd 2025 that's this coming Monday uh it's a regularly scheduled meeting the meeting will be held here at the historic courthouse in this boardroom and we'll begin with the close session at 5:30 to be filed by the Open session at 6 PM meetings Journey thank you Mr thank you thank you thank you for the work too can I please have your yellow folders you may yellow folders pass them to the front
110of the CL so is