001He had surgery yesterday. >> Oh. >> Surgery on her MCL and her >> Okay, Town Planning Board. This is Matt Chapman calling in from LTV. Just want to let you know that you are live. You are recording. Phone lines are opened. Go for it. >> Okay. Good evening, everyone. Welcome to the East Hampton Town Planning Board's meeting of June 3rd, 2026. This is a regular meeting and a work session, and we do have two public hearings tonight. One for the Springs Brewery, the second for the Highlands of Devon. We have three items on our work session, and we have a couple of boards of review. So, we have a bit to accomplish. We're going to jump right into it. Into it. The first item on the agenda is Springs Brewery public hearing, and Lou, I
002think that's you for the board. Chris, you're going to talk walk us through that. Are we properly noticed for this public hearing? Okay, great. All right. So, we'll start with you Lou then on uh read it into the record. >> Notice is hereby given that a public hearing will be held before the East Hampton Town Planning Board on June 3rd, 2026 at 6:30 p.m. The application is for the Springs Brewery site plan. It's 10,939 sq ft, .251 acres, located at 847 Springs Fireplace Road, East Hampton. Suffolk County tax map number 300 -62-3-26. The application is to convert an existing 2,717 sq ft one-story building from an auto body repair shop to a brewery. The applicant proposes two uses, wholesale retail beverage distribution and retail store. The wholesale retail beverage distribution use is proposed to apply
003to the rear portion of the building, which is proposed for brewing beer only and would not be open to the public. And the applicant detailed that the beer produced would primarily be sold wholesale. The retail store use is proposed to apply to the front portion of the building, which the submission details would be for customers to purchase beer mainly to go with some on-site consumption proposed. Okay, thank you. So, Chris, do you want to walk us through the application in a little more detail? Sure. Thank you. Inspector for the Planning Department, this is the Springs for a site plan. Um just showing an aerial image [clears throat] of the property. It's located at 847 Springs Fireplace Road, >> [snorts] >> just north of uh Four Pond Boulevard. Taking a closer look at the property, it's
004improved with the one-story building. Currently um used as an auto body repair shop. And Lou went over the proposal in some depth. Basically, the rear portion of the building would be used for brewing beer only, whereas the front would be open to the public, and it would be classified as a retail use, mainly for beer to be sold to go um with some limited on-site consumption proposed in a tasting room. Um the proposal also involves remodeling the existing building with some facade changes, interior alterations um as detailed in our reports. There's also a new IA low nitrogen waste water system and a water service line to Springs Fireplace Road. Also, I just note for the board that six written public comments have been received and added to the record. Um and I have the submitted
005plans and documents here [clears throat] from the file for any members of the public that wish to view them uh during the public hearing tonight. >> Okay, great. Thank you, Chris. All right, so the way this works is um we start with people in the room, and I assume that a fair number of you may be here to to talk about the Springs Brewery. Just by show of hands, can you give me an idea of who wants to actually be heard? Okay, thank you. Um we start with folks in the room. You have 3 minutes to speak. We then go to see who's who might be online or uh listening by phone. Uh we give them the same opportunity, and then if time uh permits, we'll kind of come back to the room again. >>
006Could you time it for us? >> Um so and just so [clears throat] you know, in In you haven't been to one of these public hearings before, it's not a Q&A with the board or the planning department about the application. You know, we're here to listen to what you have to say and what you think about the application, but everything that gets said and everything gets raised during the course of the public hearing is addressed by the planning department on the record before the final resolution. So, just know that that's the case. All right? So, if you would, perhaps just start lining up over here and will come up one by one to the the lectern to to be heard. So, who'd like to be heard? >> Board, just to let you know, I do
007have a timer application on this on this meeting if you want to use it. >> Okay, yes, please. All right, so you'll hear >> At the end of 3 minutes, you'll hear a ding. >> Okay. And if you could, as you as you come up, just state your name and address for the record, please. >> My name is Shirley Talmage. I'm one of those annoying founding family members, 12th generation. I live at 878 Springs Fireplace Road. My family owns the property next door to 837, 851 Springs Fireplace Road. So, we're the next door neighbor. We have long time experience there. In fact, I figured out, you know, I'm a little over 70, so if I had just gone past the property from my home to everywhere that I have gone over the years, I would
008have passed back and forth just once a day 51,000 times. So, I have an idea of what's going on on the property. The property next door to 851, which is my which was my father's plumbing and heating uh shop, was my grandfather's farm. So, there were like 200 acres from Accabonac Harbor to uh almost to Three Mile Harbor Road that I grew up on as a kid. I know the land, I know the water, I know what it does. So, I have questions and and and concerns, but I am also a local person who had a hard time making a living in East Hampton in the 1970s. So, I have great sympathy for a couple that wants to live here and have a business here. My biggest concern is whether the property is really appropriate
009for a brewery. Um considering that it is, even though it's across the street supposedly from the Aquebogue Harbor critical environmental area, it is an environmentally sensitive place, and I'll explain why I know this for sure. In March and April, there was a large lake in front of our property 851 every time it rained. And there's a street drain there. So, I figured the street drain was not functioning and I called the highway department. And they were great. They came out within a few days. I called them within a week and they reported to me that they had pumped out 10-12 ft of mud out of three dry wells, two that are in front of 847, one in directly in front of the property, and another one across the street. It turns out they informed me
010that those dry wells are all connected, and it happens that 847 is at a higher level elevation. Fireplace Road is a little higher elevation there than it is in front of 851. Well, everything was fine for about 3 weeks, but then on May 24th with the heavy rain and the accompanying very high tides, there was again a huge lake in front of A-51. So, I went and took photos and videos, and I saw that the dry wells were receiving water non-stop heavy rain in front of A-47, two of them on each side of the road. And our dry well, apparently the water was backing up into it and the tide was coming up. And by By the way, the highway department informed me that the tide would come up in the dry well. So, that
011tells you about the groundwater there and the effect on Accabonac Harbor. It's definitely part of the watershed to that Accabonac Harbor. Um I see on the on the site plan, uh CT1, that they use the National American Vertical Datum of to indicate feet above sea level. That's 38 years old, and the US Geodetic Survey and FEMA recommend integrating the NAVD 88 with local tide datum, especially in tide and climate-sensitive sea-level affected areas. >> I'm going to need to stop you right there, I'm afraid. Just we need to honor the 3-minute rule to make sure everyone gets heard in here, but we can circle back if you have more to say when we're done with folks in the room. Okay? But we're always happy to hear from neighbors who may have some knowledge of what happens
012on site that the rest of us may not. So, thank you. Um There were a lot of hands earlier. Who'd like to speak next? Can name and address, please, for the record? >> If you wanted to like line up on the side of the room, those who wish to speak, then we can move through this. >> Hi. My name is Jen Cross. I um live at 366 Three Mile Harbor Road in East Hampton, just couple of miles from the location that you speak of and I've been living in that house since 1973. I moved here full-time in 2004 and that's when I met Lindsey Reichart. [clears throat] Um I am obviously, well, I'm here in support of the brewery [clears throat] as a model of sustainable, locally rooted business development at a time when East
013Hampton's economy is increasingly corporate biased and young locals often struggle to build viable livelihoods here. This project represents something important, a small-scale entrepreneurship, local sourcing, collaboration with nearby farms and producers, and reinvestment in our year-round economy. Springsbury represents a young, multi-generational local choosing to return home to build a small business grounded in community values. Lindsey comes from a family deeply connected to Springs, including the founding of the food pantry, the Springs Food Pantry. And both she and her partner, Connor, have backgrounds in sustainability, community initiatives, um and reflect a long-standing commitment to service and local engagement. The proposed brewery and tasting room is modest in scope and designed as an inclusive gathering space for residents, a place that strengthens local fabric rather than catering to seasonal traffic. Approving Springsbury sends a clear message that this
014community supports sustainable local businesses and welcomes the next generation back home to contribute. Thanks. >> Thanks for your comments. Next, please. Again, name and address for the record. >> Uh yes, my name is Patrick Williams and I live at 39 Neck Path, um in Springs. I am also a member of the Springs Fire Department, a volunteer member. Um and >> [clears throat] >> uh I think this looks like a great initiative uh for the Springs community bringing additional visitors, revenue, and employment opportunities to the area uh while helping showcasing everything that makes Springs unique. Uh a locally owned brewery would provide another reason for the residents and visitors to spend more time in actual Springs rather than going out to Amagansett or Southampton. Uh supporting local economy and encouraging greater engagement with nearby businesses and
015community organizations. >> [snorts] >> Um I believe the project would also increase awareness uh and visitation to some of Springs' most important cultural and historic assets uh including the Pollock-Krasner House, Ashawagh Hall, and the broader historic district by creating a welcoming and gathering place uh that reflects the character and heritage of the community. The brewery um has also the potential to become a valuable addition to Springs while contributing positively to the economic vitality and the long-term sustainability of the Hamptons. Thank you. >> Thank you very much. Next, please. >> Uh my name is Idoline Duke and I live um just past where the brewery is proposed up Springs Fireplace um just past the Merrill Lake Sanctuary. And I I guess I just agree with everything the two previous um people said uh but I'll just
016reiterate it by saying that this is just the kind of low-key business that we would want. My husband's in here, too, and um just the kind of thing we would want down the street from us. And these are two young eager entrepreneurial people who want to stay in their hometown and they want to create community and we just I just would hope that the board would do everything possible, bend over backwards to help these young people start a business and thrive here in Springs. >> Thank you. >> Hello everyone. My name is Christian Scheider. I grew up out here. Um I have an artist studio at 7:45 Springs Fireplace Road, which is just a couple houses [clears throat] down. Um I've known Gunnar and Lindsey for a while now, and something like this is like
017exactly what I wish I could have walked to in November. Every winter that I've lived here. Like there's the pizza place, and there's like one other place you can maybe get dinner if you drive. This is like a walkable part of the community, and I just think that's like super important in Springs that we recognize businesses that are A local, B artistic. Brewing is an art. Like it's not just a business. It's something that's that's culturally relevant that can give people like myself that live here pride in our town. And I think that that's really important as we try to bring up the next generation people that live here year-round, not just in the summer. You got to let people have their art. You know what I mean? So thank you all so much for
018your time and consideration. Thanks. >> Thank you. >> Hello. My name is Harry Gornall. I live at 74 Woodbine. I've known Gunnar and Lindsey for a while now, and I think they just embody uh the younger generation that really cares about the Springs community. They've um had a station at the Springs Farmers Market every weekend for as long as I've known them. Um they really care about their craft and their beer, and I know that they'll do anything and everything they can to make this possible, and they have a genuine care for the Springs community, and will do anything to um make it sustainable, make it work for the community, and I have no doubt they'll be successful and um strengthen the community. So thank you for your consideration. >> Thank you. >> [clears throat]
019>> Hi. My name is Bill Duke. I live at 912 Springs Fireplace Road. My wife spoke, but I want to add my my voice and my name to the record in support of this project. Um You all have done a a lengthy process and and done your work and they've they've met all of of your requirements and and and um this is a permitted use. Uh it's good for Springs. It's good for East Hampton. It sends the right message to the very few young people who are trying to launch small businesses and and and can actually try to live here and I really urge you now that we've gotten to this very lengthy the end of this very lengthy process to approve this. It's the right thing to do. It's going to be great for
020our community. Thank you. Thank you. >> Hi. My name is Bill Delano. I'm at three Jonathan Drive and um I've been doing marketing and fundraising for nonprofits in the area for the last couple years and one of my clients is the Pollock-Krasner House and just wanted to relay that Matt Ward um uh the executive director there is in support of the project and um all of the the work I've been doing over the last 3 years the Springs Brewery has been very supportive and uh for the Springs Food Pantry um Duck Creek Art Center and at the Pollock-Krasner House. So I just wanted to to just uh testament to how they've reached out and and been very community-oriented over the years. So, thank you. >> Thank you. >> Hi. My name is Kate Solkey. I
021live at 35 Baiting Hollow. Um I work in Springs and I just want to second everything that everyone else said, but also just note that as a 25-year-old young person living out here and feeling this kind of sometimes despondence about what's possible financially and also in terms of community and year-round community, Lindsay and Gunnar are like the most thoughtful, community-minded, present people. Um and speaking from the very small amount amount of my generation that's living out here and like it's just exactly what we want, just to have young people being here and committing to this place um and offering like what they care about, which in this case is great beer. Uh and they're just the best, so do it for me. >> Thank you. >> Hi, my name's Louise Hurwitz. I live at >>
022sure you're speaking into the >> Yeah. Hi, my name's Louise Hurwitz. I live at 250 Fresh Pond Road and I want to second, third, fourth everything that has been said, especially by Kate just now. Um I moved out to this area 5 years ago. I've been involved in the area for 15 years working at the Watermill Center and decided to, you know, drive 30 minutes every day to work cuz I wanted to live out in Amagansett and the East Hampton area. Um you know, there's a real sense of community that I haven't seen in many places and I think is really, you know, valuable and um cherished out here in this area. Um and Lindsay and Gunnar really, you know, when I met them I think it was Quail Hill Farm and then saw them
023again the next week and at the farmers market where they are every Saturday um for Springs Brewery. They're very much a part of this place and um you know, this this business will add a lot to um who we are and what we do and um they also, you know, are incredibly generous with the community, too, in terms of, you know, I I run a nonprofit. It's hard. Um and I love working with businesses like Springs Brewery. They make um make our events and and make our audience happy, too. So I hope this um you know, will go their way. Thanks so much. >> Thank you very much. >> Uh hi, my name is Zach Bliss and uh I have a house here in the Springs, Springs. And um I just think about the community
024here and uh the amount of love that uh Donna and Lonnie have brought. I I was on the board of Eleanor Whitmore. They very generously donated um to that. Uh it seems like every fundraiser I go to, um they've generously donated and the fact that this um this building that has been in the family uh with her father is now uh has the potential of being passed down to another generation. Um it feels like it's um a holding of the fabric of what makes Springs and East Hampton um so beautiful. Um and um it'll be great to have this this place for all of us. You know, it feels like places have been going away and to have, you know, a mom and pop shop open up, it's going to be ex- extraordinary. So, please
025support. Thank you. Thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> Good evening. My name is Ed Walsh. I live in Springs. Um I've been in marketing my entire life and I'm also familiar with the Springs brewery products, which are all excellent. And so, from the perspective of simply brand awareness, this is a great product to be associated with both East Hampton and with Springs as well, too. They're fine products. They're a wonderful couple and uh they've obviously proven their successes over the years. I think it'll be a wonderful addition to the community and uh great stake in the ground to make Springs an identifiable place for the fine product. Thank you very much. >> Uh, is there anyone else in the room who would like to speak before we come back and circle back to
026our first speaker? Well, yeah, exactly. I wanted to just make sure no one was here in the room. Um, yeah, so we're going to go to the to the phones first before we come back for second chances around the room. Matt, do we have anybody online or on the phone who wants to speak? >> You have zero callers. Thank you. >> [laughter] >> Okay, they're all here, obviously, right? >> I was just going to say that. >> Okay, so we'll come back to the first speaker, another 3 minutes, please, if you can wrap it up in 3 minutes, that'd be great. >> I want you all to know I agree with all of these other people that are supporting Lindsey and Gunnar and the brewery. I'm just concerned that the town takes the appropriate measures
027to [clears throat] abate the traffic and parking and water issues. There If I understand it correctly, there are five spaces. I also read that there were 12 places to sit. And how many employees are going to be there? We've already got a parking and [clears throat] traffic problem at that location. There is inadequate parking for even the Springs Pizza or for well, the wine and spirits has enough for pretty much what they're doing. But on a Friday night, it's dangerous. It's dangerous at Fort Pond and Springs Fireplace Road, period. People speed. The shoulder of the road taken up by parked cars. Landscaping trucks park across the street from the pizza to get what they want to take home. There is no shoulder there. If there's a delivery truck or other people parked along in front
028of 847, there's no parking there's no place for the people that walk to the brewery and ride their bicycles and take their children up and down Springs Fireplace Road, there's no place for them to go. And when the traffic is speeding and they come up against anything and they're in opposing them, they people walking for instance, they don't yield. They go into the opposing traffic and they force the opposing traffic over onto the shoulder of the road that may not exist. It may be full of parked cars. So that's my problem. I hope the town is willing to commit traffic control or some other measures, possible other parking that would alleviate the whole neighborhood business problem there. It's not just the brewery, it's the whole the whole situation. So is it really true that there's
029only five parking spaces and how many employees? >> Yeah, we're we're really we're not surging a Q&A here tonight. >> but that's my that's my concern. >> All right. Okay, I appreciate that very much. >> So it's not against the brewery that I'm speaking. It's how is it going to get done safely with common sense and and practical decisions? >> It's an excellent point, especially from someone who lives across the street. So thank you very much. Your your concerns will be addressed. Um all right, last chance for anybody in the room to speak on the Springs Brewery. If there's no one else, uh we'll call to >> Make a motion here to be closed. >> If that's exactly right. >> Second that. >> Yeah, just >> Yes, sir. All in favor of closing the meeting
030here, I. All right, thank you. Good. All right, thank you so much everyone. >> let the timer go. Sorry about that. Please continue. >> Okay. All right. >> Perfect timing. >> So, everyone is free to watch the rest of the show here if you want, but that is it for the Springs Brewery tonight. Thank you very much everyone for sharing about this. This This important. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> All right. Give people a moment to clear out. All right, so our second public hearing is the Highlands at Devon final subdivision modification and Will is representing the planning department and John has this as a board member. So, if you So, first of all, are we Everything good? Are we >> Uh properly noticed, yes. >> Properly noticed. That's the term I was looking
031for. Uh so, if you want to read this in, John, to the record. >> Yes, thank you. Uh notice is hereby given that a public hearing will be held before the East Hampton Town Planning Board on June 3rd, 2026 at 6:30 p.m. The application is the Highlands at Devon final subdivision modification and the site location is 10.7 acres located at Cranberry Hole Road in Amagansett, Suffolk County tax map number 300-151-2 -19.1, 19.2, 19.3, 19.4, and 19.5. >> Okay. >> Now, the description is the application is seeking a modification of the final subdivision titled The Highlands at Devon approved by resolution on December 7th, 1994. The modification is seeking approval to change a condition of approval which requires residences to have only natural wood shingle siding and roofing. The original subdivision created five parcels from an
032originally 10.7 acre parcel. Lot number one at 66,431 square feet, lot two at 55,164 square feet, lot three at 67,901 square feet, lot four at 66,371 square feet, and the reserved area at 207,218 square feet. >> Okay, thank you, John. Will, do you want to take us through a little more detail? >> Sure. >> [clears throat] >> I only have a couple of things to add. So, the modification seeks approval to change a condition of approval affecting lots one, two, and three, which requires natural wood shingle siding and roofing on all buildings. The parcels are zoned A5 residents, partially located within New York State significant fish and wildlife habitat, partially within a recommended scenic area of statewide significance, and are located on Cranberry Wool Road. Currently, lots one, three, and four contain residences, while lot
033two and the reserved area are vacant. >> Okay. All right, is anyone in the room to speak on this subject? Highlands at Devon. Yep. >> This is a public hearing, correct? >> Sure. You know, again, just name and address for the record, as you know. >> Good evening, board members. David Kurth, Matthews Kurth, Cooley, and Shoran, 241 Panagoule Road, East Hampton, New York. I'm here on behalf of the applicants, 122 CHR LLC, George and Sharon Fontini, and 118 Cranberry Wool Road LLC. You could tell by the names, uh I 118 and 122 own those specific properties and George and Sharon Pontillo own 150 Framingham Road and 103. Um, they're the only properties owned and burdened by the architectural restriction. Lot 4 was specifically excluded from it. Uh, we have submitted a letter in support uh
034of of the application by the owner of Lot 4. Um, the fact that not all of the lots in the subdivision are subject to this restriction uh helps in making our argument that this modification will not set any precedent that has effect on other subdivisions with similar restrictions. This restriction is not to provide uniformity or consistency in the subdivision. Not designed to benefit the other lot owners in the subdivisions. Also not designed to provide uniformity with neighboring properties. Uh, quick drive through the area will see [snorts] a you know, a multitude of exterior finishes around this area. As evidenced by the record from the original subdivision, the specific purpose of this restriction was to mitigate a potential visual impact from Montauk Highway. An impact that has not occurred despite the non-compliance of one of these
035properties with that condition. Uh, as shown in the previously submitted photos, it's very difficult if not impossible to locate either of the existing residences from Montauk Highway with the naked eye. Between the location of the approved sub building envelopes, the significant scenic easement on the properties, the adjacent reserve area and state-owned properties, no visual impact has or will occur. For these reasons, we feel that the applicant has dem applicants have demonstrated that there's a change in circumstances that warrants the modification of the subdivision approval and the subsequent covenant. Uh, we provided a distinct fact pattern that's not going to be precedent setting for other subdivisions that have a, you know, architectural restrictions. So, that's all that I have. If you have any questions. >> Okay. Thank you, David. Matt, is there anyone on the phone
036online who wants to chime in on this? >> You have zero callers. Thank you. >> Okay. Uh a motion then to >> I'll make a motion to close the public >> All right. So, all in favor? >> With the second over here, all in favor of closing >> I hear it. >> All right. I want to have a final subdivision modification public hearing closed. Thank you, everyone. Um so, moving on to the work session, our first item is the Marram Cabana site plan modification. And again, that's Will for the planning department. And again, it's John for the board. Is the applicant present? That's you, Lori, right? Okay. All right, Will, please. >> Okay. Uh this is a modification request seeking approval for as-built conditions which differ from the resolution issued for the project on May
0377th, 2015. The original approval allowed the construction of five poolside cabanas on top of existing decking. When the final inspection request was received, the planning department inspected the property and found the site was not ready for a certificate of occupancy. The cabanas were constructed closer to the dune crest than approved, are removed seasonally, and an additional shed was constructed for storage. The subject property is 2.6 acres in size, zoned B residence, and is a pre-existing non-conforming use. The site is located within the coastal erosion overlay and water protection districts. The property is improved with four two-story masonry motel buildings, two sheds, a bar, paved parking, wooden decks, and a pool. This This is a type two action pursuant to SEQRA in chapter 128 of the town code and requires no further secret action. At the
038site inspection, the cabana footings and additional shed were observed. As you can see in this picture. In the area where the cabanas have been proposed. Here, applicant explained the cabanas are removed seasonally and the shed was constructed to store the cabanas while not in use. The planning department recommends seasonal removal of the cabanas may be appropriate to mitigate potential damage during winter storms. The additional shed appears to match the surrounding structures and is located in an unobtrusive location which is unlikely to affect the use of the site. In addition to this modification application to the planning board, the applicant has submitted a modification request to the zoning board. The zoning board previously approved the cabanas at 35.9 ft from the bluff crest and they were constructed at 30.7 ft from the bluff crest or 5.2
039ft closer than permitted. Additionally, the shed did not receive zoning board approval and is located 47.3 ft from the bluff crest where the town requires a setback of 150 ft. The board should discuss this modification request and form a consensus, then send comments to the zoning board. The submitted plans depicting the new shed contains some minor discrepancies. The first page of the plans >> [clears throat] >> show the shed has an access door and hatch on its rear side which is closest to the pool and cabanas. However, the access door and hatch are not shown in the rear elevation drawing on page four. And we're also not observed during the site visit. The applicant should clarify if the access door and hatch are existing or proposed. In conclusion, the board should discuss whether the modification
040is appropriate, discuss comments to send to the zoning. >> Before we turn it over to John, I have a question for you, maybe others do as well. My question is maybe I'm not looking at the at this photograph correctly, but I'm not really sure how the cabanas could have been 5 ft farther away from the >> I noticed that. >> from >> Yeah, they could have been less deep. >> Oh, is that what it is? >> Possibly. >> Okay. >> only possibility because it >> But they're only but they're only what are they? Like 10 ft or less than 10 ft each? >> is right here. >> Um, actually, yeah. >> I got one question. >> We'll ask questions of Will and then we'll we'll have you come up, Will, okay? >> Where is the
041shed? >> The shed? >> Yeah. [laughter] >> It's kind of hard to see when you're looking at it from this angle, but it's sort of in this It's back in this corner here. >> All right, so there's like three of them over here. >> It's very integrated. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> You can see it. >> Got you. >> The site plan is underneath the deck. >> Oh, okay. >> You bet. Okay. >> And I can zoom in on the site plan here. Um, so here's the cabanas and the pool and then this shed here is the one that was added. >> Okay. Okay. Does the applicant wish to be heard? >> Yeah, just uh My observation, at least Laurel Circle Land Planning Services. Um, it appears when they constructed these cabanas, they are the
042same size as what was approved and proposed, but the little deck that they're on moved forward towards the pool or towards the bluff crest. So, the the cabanas moved forward with the little deck that they're situated on. >> All right. >> What do you mean they moved forward? The deck moved forward? >> It was reconstructed and it was built closer to the pool and the cabanas were therefore closer to the pool and the bluff crest. >> But the the pool was there, obviously. >> hasn't changed. >> All right. Okay. >> I just [clears throat] I observed two surveys and saw that the change. >> So the the the deck is less deep in other words. >> Uh it just seems to have shifted forwards. I don't know. >> Yeah, yeah, because the pool didn't move,
043the deck has to be narrower. >> Yeah, right. >> fence behind them then was constructed along with the deck. Well, could you go back to that one? >> Fence, I'm not aware of. The shed is what was constructed. >> That >> Yeah, the half wall. >> The half wall. >> No, I believe that was there. >> Hm. >> So then >> Yeah, it doesn't quite make sense. >> It's it's hard to imagine how these could have ever been imagined to be 5 ft farther away. >> Farther away. >> Well, I think that they just added a bit of decking to the front of the deck. >> To support the footings? >> Yeah. >> That makes sense. So I believe the footings are a bit >> So it >> Right. >> I mean, honestly, there are
044plenty of improvements like >> between these cabanas and their deck and the shed and the bluff crest. So honestly, it's not going to have any impact on the bluff crest, and of course, we'll make that argument to the zoning board. >> Could you say that again? I missed what you said, please. >> [clears throat] >> So there's a lot of improvements. Can you put the survey up, please? Thanks. There are a lot of improvements in front of these cabanas and um so you've got the cabanas here, the shed here, the little underlying deck is here. Then you have existing concrete pool deck deck deck all before you get to the bluff crest. So the the reality of the situation is that these kind of innocuous structures, they don't have a drainage issue, they don't have
045anything that's going to cause any damage to the bluff crest are not going to be impacting the bluff crest because everything else is existing in front of it. >> So then leads to the bluff line, it exists and I'm pretty confident. >> Right. And the pool as again, the pool has always been located where the pool is located. >> Everything here exists except for that deck, seaside. >> And there's a seaside deck. >> Yes. Yeah, right there. >> And that hasn't changed. >> No, no. >> Okay. All right, thanks Lori. John, do you want to lead the discussion? >> Yeah, thank you. I visited the site today and the cabanas are in place. There were five of them, they're constructed. I saw the shed, the the shed I had to ask them to actually show
046me where the shed was. It's so seamlessly integrated under the pool deck itself. Yeah, I can't imagine I'm not really understanding how the five feet uh uh happened. The only thing I can imagine is that the maybe the cabanas got a little deeper. Um that's the only thing that makes sense to me. Um they are separated from the Dune Crest by the pool, another deck. So I I agree that I I can't see how they can materially affect um the uh natural resource of the dune. The thing that bugs me about it though, is what that I don't understand is how um an application could be made. And also if the deck was changed, if there was work done on the deck, did that receive approval as well? Did that require It seems to me
047that would also have required zoning board approval. >> I don't recall. >> But um the the nit uh for me to pick here is that what I don't understand is how the applicant could go before the zoning board with uh proposed plans, a survey, uh fill out the application, pay the fee, wait the time, hire an agent, go before the zoning board and ask for a specific variance and get it and then proceed to not follow what was permitted including the construction of a shed which you know it all seems innocuous. The thing that bothers me about it is that the rules weren't followed you know even though they don't have a material impact that I can see it's just why go through all of that effort and money and time and then not do
048what you you were you asked for you granted it and then it wasn't followed I I don't understand. >> I completely understand that actually the owners and the management company are of the same head scratching demeanor. The only thing we can really think of is that the people that were hired to build it did not ask for the surveyor to stake out these improvements and went ahead and put them wherever they wanted to put them. >> [snorts] >> They seem like they were in the right area. They didn't get any bigger but they're not exactly right. >> That makes sense for the cabana but what about the shed? The shed was not part of >> was added because it's where they store the >> Yeah I understand that but if you if you need a
049variance for the cabanas don't you also need a variance for the shed? >> Honestly the owners and the management company didn't even know the shed was built until this came up in Will's mouth. Neither did I and then it showed up on the survey and we're like there it is. We had no idea. >> I was there today there it is. >> I know it's there. Yeah it's formidable and it's pretty well hidden but it's it still needs a variance. >> All right thanks Lori. John is that >> Yeah that's >> That's what you wanted to share? >> Yes thank you for letting me share. [laughter] >> Oh thank you thank you very much. I'm sure there's some other opinions around the table. Who else would anyone else like to speak? >> to add one
050more thing to what John cuz I agree with John totally. What bothered me on top of everything that John said cuz I thought the same thing is the narrative that the applicant supplied with the this application? It just had two sentences. The shed was built the cabanas will move forward. No explanation, no no no other excuse. Just this was done and it just you know, it irritates me because this happens a lot with us that we approve something and then they do something completely outside of the approval and we just you know, are expected to rubber stamp it. Now, I you know, I don't know what the solution is. I you know, I I don't know if we can do anything at this point, but I just need to emphasize that fact again as I've
051done in the past that this just cannot >> [laughter] >> stand. I mean, it should not stand. We need to be more proactive and emphasize that this cannot go on. And one more point about this um I you know, I I expected to comment on you know, having another NRSV and you know, because they are moving forward to you know, to the crest. Um also uh you know, there's the whole thing with the L LWR P the policies that need to be followed. I you know, I expected but I understand that sort of has been mitigated by the fact that uh pool and everything else in front of it is still remaining where it is. So, that I I understand that. But, one other thing that I thought of is that I know the ARB
052looked at this prior with the prior approval where where the cabanas were placed. Now, they're being moved forward. Now, it may not have any harm to the dune crest or to the dune, but it is a scenic beach uh zone. And I would like maybe the ARB should look at it again to see if this 5 ft to moving towards the beach is going to have any effect on the on the zoning part. Well, those are my comments. >> Okay. Um and again, we're just reminder that we are just offering comments to the ZBA. That's all we're really doing here. Um any other thoughts or questions, Jen? >> I agree with both John and Lou. I it's I was thinking the same thing that it's um you know, looking at it now and you know,
053obvious maybe it seems like it was an error on the in the first place. Maybe it was placed in the wrong place on the survey, but it is irritating to to have to come back and it it's probably just as irritating for you, Lori, to have to come back. Um and spend the extra time and the expense to get something fixed for 5 ft when it was just so easy to do it the way it was approved. >> Okay. You guys? No, I agree. All right, these guys. >> [laughter] >> I mean >> I Yeah, I I'm in total agreement. I I'm a law and order sort of guy and >> [laughter] >> the rules were not followed. Corners were cut. That's just the bottom line. I mean, the explanations provided about the shed, that
054makes some sense to me. I mean, yeah, you got a house that commands us in the winter months and things like that, but again, um to just think I don't think this was played properly, so. >> Okay. Um Yeah, you know, we get cranky when people don't do what we >> [laughter] >> what we approve, right? We don't like it. Yeah, I you know, we all do, right? I mean, one of the things that makes East Hampton Town and you know, and Montauk, you know, in particular in this case attractive, you know, and it helps us all make a living, you know, the people like to come here, right? You know, the stuff that we that we approve needs to be followed. You know, we're we're doing this for a reason and we spent time
055and effort thinking about these things to, you know, protect the environment, to protect, you know, the the atmosphere that everybody loves out here. Um anyway, you know what I'm saying. And, you know, it does make us really grouchy when this doesn't happen. Uh you know, I do understand that you know, as somebody who's a builder myself that, you know, sometimes stuff happens that is sort of hard to really backtrack on and explain, but nonetheless, you know, it is something that needs to be noted that uh we really prefer not to be looking at these kinds of things, right? So, again, all we have to do today is figure out what we want to say to the ZBA, right? Which could be nothing, could be we're mad that you didn't do it the right way first,
056or, you know, we don't support it, or it could be we're fine with it. How how are we inclined in terms of making a comment? We should come to some kind of consensus about what we want to say. It sounds like >> I think we're mad that >> Yeah, and listen, the the shed, I don't think it's a big deal. I mean, you can't see it, but it wasn't >> It wasn't on the plan. It wasn't >> brought to the board. >> Okay. The 5 ft for the cabanas, I don't understand. There's not enough room to move them 5 ft. >> Yeah. >> I don't understand how that all transpired. Cuz it doesn't look like that half wall is new. >> Right. >> Yeah, I don't >> I don't think that it shrunk [clears throat]
057the size. >> Yeah, the area around the pool's concrete. >> Something Something's not right there. I don't understand how that happened. Unless the cabanas got bigger. Which they didn't. They're the same size. >> Right? >> Well, I think they are. >> Do do think? >> Yeah. >> Could we say we, you know, have reviewed it and we have kind of no comment and hope the CBA, you know, comes to their own conclusion about the >> Yeah, I think we can be, you know, that is a suggestion that we could take, which is just to be sort of neutral about it. Um you know, it's sort of hard to really scold someone >> I know. >> with a frowny face and a frowny face on it, right? >> And thumbs down. >> [laughter] >> Yeah, so
058all right. So, I think >> Um you you look like you want to say something. >> I just want to point out that there are questions >> Oh, thank you. Yeah, we are getting carried away with ourselves. Yeah. Right. Well, I guess the key question is the first one. Does the board find the subject modifications acceptable? So, what I would say about that is here's here's my bottom line. This was sort of pointed out actually by Eric in the in the pre-meeting today is that if this came to us today this way, we'd probably say, "Okay." Right? >> Right. >> It's just that it didn't. >> [clears throat] >> And we're not crazy about that. But, do we find this acceptable? >> No. >> I'd say yes. >> I think it's acceptable. I think the
059way it's done is not acceptable. >> Okay. >> Whatever that means. >> Okay. >> It means yes, I think. Acceptable. >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> I think technically it's acceptable, but morally and ethically >> [laughter] >> It's not acceptable. >> I Okay. >> I I find it to be acceptable, but in agreement that it was not it was not It should have been >> Right. >> received this way from the get-go. Cuz I do agree if it was, then we would have approved it as is. >> Exactly. >> Yes. >> So, we have two no's, is that right? >> But I think just let me to why I say it's not acceptable. I think it we can say it's not acceptable because of the way that it was done. I think that's a legitimate response.
060Legitimate justification to say no. >> Okay. >> That's my opinion. >> Okay. Uh are you taking it the same way? >> Yeah, I do. Also, I think it it sets a precedent, too. You know, that um Yeah, you're granted a a variance to do X and then you do X plus five. And however that happened, whether intentionally, accidentally, um you know, our saying, "Hey, that's okay." It's it sets a precedent. >> I I actually don't think that's the case here, to be honest with you. This isn't X plus five. This is like, you know, This is a slightly different X, right? It's not X plus five. It's not like they said, "Okay, we're going to clear the dune. We're going to clear, you know, make the deck bigger, whatever." You know, There many more egregious
061things that might have happened, you know, that didn't. This is This something that's sort of within the bounds of of acceptable if it had been presented this way. >> If it had >> So, yeah. I mean, I'm conflicted about what to do with this reservation we all seem to have about the way it was presented, but I think ultimately so um five of us feel that it's acceptable in in acceptable. >> Ish. Yeah. [laughter] Yeah. >> Right. >> Acceptable and and we have reservations. You know, we'll we'll we'll we'll figure out the language exactly on this, but I think you know, yeah. Yeah. Um So, the second question is should the applicants clarify the discrepancy in the elevation plans? >> Yes. >> [snorts] >> We have to do that. Uh does the board wish to
062send comments regarding the modification to the ZBA? Okay. >> Those were our comments. >> yeah. >> I think Brittany's got to figure that out. >> Yeah, we got we have to work on that. Uh Brittany, I'm not sure with whom, you or the planning department, but I think we need to give some thought to to wording. Cuz I think we all we'd like to express that we're hesitantly saying fine. You know. >> I think it may help to clarify whether if everyone is in agreement about if this application were to come back in like this. >> Fresh >> You can draw it up high. But is that is it acceptable? Yes or no? And then you can state the reasons you think it is not acceptable is because of the way it was asked. >>
063Okay. >> I don't know if we can answer that question. >> Yeah, it's very difficult. >> Because, you know, there's like I said before, there are a lot of standards that we need to apply here. A lot of standards that the ZBA needs to apply. The The owner and our RSP has certain standards. >> And the ZBA will do that. >> Yeah, I know, but I'm just saying we can't say had this application come this way, would we have accepted it? That's sort of like shortcutting every the whole process. I think there should have there should be more consideration, more study. Uh like I said before, too, you know, you're moving these cabanas closer to the dune crest. A lot of people use that beach. They pass by. These cabanas are now going to be
064I don't want to say towering, but they're going to be more visible. And it's going to change the whole landscape of that particular part of the beach. It's not a It's not a light situation. It's a serious situation. >> So, Ed, I think maybe ask the question and you can summarize >> [clears throat] >> board members' opinions. See you. >> Ask the Sorry. >> The question of whether it's acceptable, we'll just summarize each board member's um opinions to the DBA. >> Okay. >> And it's not a consensus. >> Right. And there isn't but I think >> all the board members can say yeah. Okay. >> Okay. All right. Well, then let's leave it at that then. Thank you everyone for a lively discussion on this. Thank you Lori. >> Thanks Lori. >> Um and we'll
065move on to Wainscott Wambles 2. Is the applicant here? Wainscott Wambles 2. No. >> No. >> Yeah, I got an email today um from uh John Corbett saying that he didn't feel like he had anything to add to the discussion so he wouldn't be attending. >> We don't need to have the applicant here, right? >> Okay. All right. So, Will, once again, this is you and Bruce for the board. >> Okay. Um so, this is an application seeking a modification to improvement and already constructed travel walkway on subject property permitting access to the neighboring This site is located on Montauk Highway zoned a residence and considered fully cleared of natural vegetation. The property is currently improved with a one-story office building, roofed patio, parking area, and dumpster area. Partial is neighbored by residential properties to
066the east, west, and south. Vacant wooded land owned by the town to the north across Montauk Highway. Following the review of the planning board on December 3rd, 2025, the board issued comments regarding several issues. First, the board requested the applicant meet with the town attorney to discuss additional approvals required. Planning department, town attorney, and applicant discussed the application and determined only a modification of the Wainscott Wambles 2 site plan is required. As the applicant removed the walkway from Wainscott Wambles 1. Second, the board requested that applicant submit a copy of the agreement if an agreement was not already The applicant submitted an access license agreement which permits Wing Scott Wumbles 1 and 2 to use the 20-ft wide flag strip separating them to provide pedestrian access between the two sites. The planning department and town
067attorney reviewed the license agreement and recommended it is acceptable. Third, the planning board requested the applicant submit a revised site plan showing only Wing Scott Wumbles 2. The applicant submitted this revised site plan of Wing Scott Wumbles 2 with the subject path, lot coverage, and total lot coverage provided. The planning department recommends this revised site plan satisfies the board's board's request. The planning department also recommends the applicant revise the site plan title to a name such as modification of Wing Scott Wumbles 2 site plan to reflect the nature of the subject application. As a modification of a previous approval, the board is not required to hold a public hearing but can choose to hold one should there be good reason to suspect public concern. However, the planning department does not anticipate issues from such a
068minor structure and does not recommend a hearing be required. In conclusion, pending receipt of a site plan with a revised title, the planning department recommends this application is complete and ready for a public hearing should the board choose to hold one for approval. The board should determine whether it agrees. >> Okay, thank you. Please. Uh I don't think I have much to add to this. Um we looked at it a couple months ago. We're talking about a gravel walk. I I really don't have a problem with it. The one question I do have is um Will, you were talking about a revised site plan. The site plan you included is um from 2023. So, I'm not sure if anything's changed on property since then and if the calculations are still correct today. I assume they
069probably are, but I just wanted to bring that up. >> Yeah, um as far as I know, nothing has changed on the site. Um it shows the walkway. That's >> Yeah, okay. I think that's fine. I don't think we need a public hearing for this. >> Okay. >> [clears throat] >> Uh any other comments, questions? >> No, I would agree. I don't think a public hearing's needed. They have the license agreement with the the neighbor. This is a pretty, you know, concise area. >> Yeah. >> The neighbor would be really the only party that I would think that would have any comment, and clearly they've satisfied that. >> Public hearing? >> I agree with David. >> Okay. >> I agree with Lou. >> [laughter] >> I agree with you. Yeah, I agree with you. >>
070I'm totally I'm on board. I'm good. >> Public hearing? >> No. >> Okay. I agree with you. All right, no public hearing. Should the applicant submit a revised site plan with the title reflecting the nature of the subject application? What does that mean again? >> Um just changing the title to reflect the amount of exclusion >> Oh, it's modification. Yeah, okay, right. That's right. Uh >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Pending receipt of a revised site plan with a new title, does the board agree this application is complete and ready for public hearing, or should the board wish to waive the public hearing complete ready for approval? Yes. >> Yes, complete ready for approval. >> Yes, no public hearing. >> All right, we're good to go. Wainschcoat Wombles. >> What's a womble? >> No, we don't we
071don't get to say Wainschcoat Wombles again after this is over. >> I don't know. Let's Let's look it up. >> Search it up. >> Womble. We did this last time. >> Did we? >> I think so. All right, well while you're doing that, let's let's move on to Barnaby Bear. >> It's a fictional pointed pointy-nosed furry creature created by Elizabeth Beresford in 1968, famous for living in burrows and collecting and recycling rubbish to protect the environment, the most well-known group resides on Wimbledon Common in London. >> Okay. >> There you go. >> We now have them in Wainscott. >> You're welcome. >> All right. Getting them all done at once. >> Yeah, very good. >> [laughter] >> Just to discuss the lot line modification. >> Um all right, so Wayne so Bonac Rooster Lot Line
072Modification wrap-up. Will, again, you Lou, this is you for the board. And the application is right in front of us. Okay. Well, >> All right. So, this is an application seeking to modify the lot [clears throat] line between two properties, adjusting lot areas with parcel A having a new lot area of 35,874 sq ft and parcel B having a new area of 22,139 sq ft. The proposed modification would reduce the amount of nonconformity of setbacks for the existing residence and lot areas. Access is proposed to parcel A over an existing shared driveway to the north that parcel A has stated access to. The parcels are both zoned A residence and parcel A is improved with a one one and a half story residence, two accessory buildings, a barn, carport, tree house, and metal container, while
073parcel B is improved with an asphalt driveway. The relocation of the lot line would result in the existing residence being located within parcel B with the asphalt driveway. All the other structures would remain on parcel A. And here is the proposed Both properties are considered 100% clear of natural vegetation and are surrounded by other residential properties. The lots were originally created as part of the 99 Accabonac Road Sub Waiver approved in September 1975. Following review with the planning board on October 22nd, 2025, the planning board issued comments to the zoning board regarding the proposed area variants. The zoning board reviewed the application and held a public hearing on April 21st, 2026 and issued a determination granting the requested variants on April 28th, 2026. Comments from the fire marshal dated January 28th, 2025 found the submitted
074information sufficient and no further review was required. As this project is a proposed lot line modification, they choose to hold a public hearing. However, a public hearing was held by the zoning board and no comments were received. The planning department recommends waving the public hearing with the appropriate In conclusion, the planning department recommends the application is complete and ready for a public hearing should the board choose to hold one for approval. The board should determine whether it agrees. >> Okay, thank you, Will. >> [clears throat] >> Uh, would the applicant like to add to what Will has said? >> No, we're fine with the planning department. >> Okay. All right, great, Lou. >> Yeah, I think it is ready for approval and I agree with the planning department that we don't need a public hearing.
075>> I agree. >> You good on that? >> Yep. >> I agree with >> Absolutely. >> I agree as well. >> I agree. >> Okay. Unanimous. Ready to go. >> Chris, thank you. >> Thank you very much. >> We have to answer the questions. >> Uh, questions. >> Yeah, it's kind of beside the point now. >> Cuz we really just [laughter] answered the question. The questions are what we just answered. Uh, does the board wish to hold a public hearing on this application? No. Does the board agree the application is complete and ready for a public hearing should we want one for approval? We don't want a public hearing but we do issue the uh, agree that it is complete. >> The vote for approval. >> Check, check, check, >> Yeah, that's what I said.
076>> [laughter] >> I'm was to follow >> Yeah. the rules. >> yes. Some people are interested in protocol. All right. That's the right thing to do. Okay, there we go. The regular meeting, two boards of review. >> We actually have an applicant here for one of them. >> Aha, okay. Good. What are you here for, sir? >> Joseph Messina. >> Okay. >> [laughter] >> Good way to spend a Wednesday. >> [laughter] >> All right. So, our first board of review, uh we the town engineer has brought forward uh to us a request of Joseph Messina for a building permit on the premises 85 Fort Pond Boulevard, Springs, block 34, lots 11 to 13 and 41 to 45, map 455, URP 51 in SP1-2, and Suffolk County tax map 300-58-5-13.3. Um it's resolved that there are
077to receive a building permit 4,000 road improvement units uh are the undertaking, which is $20,000. I've read this uh authorization and call for its adoption. >> Second. >> All in favor. >> Aye. >> Okay, pass unanimously. Uh Penny's the town engineer has brought uh before of us the request of Penny Stein for a building permit on premises at 14 Howard Street in Springs, block seven, lots 20 to 28, map 401, URP 2 in section A, and Suffolk County tax map 300-100-1-36. And this is uh an undertaking of 3,700 road improvement units for $18,500 uh in order to for the building inspector to issue a building permit for that lot. I have read this opposition call for its adoption. Second. >> All in favor? >> Aye. >> Motion carried. >> And we have minutes from our
078last meeting. Any comments? Any thoughts? Any corrections? >> [snorts] >> They look good to me. They look good. >> All right. >> I make a motion to adopt the minutes. >> Let's do that. Who seconds that? That's John, thank you. All in favor of adopting? >> Aye. >> Okay. >> I make a motion to close the meeting. >> Second. >> Oh, you got closed out. All in favor? >> Aye. >> Boxed out. >> Goodnight, board. >> Thank you. >> All right, thank