East Hampton Town Board Work Session- 12/2/25

001East Hampton Town Board. We are live. >> Thank you, LTV. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the East Hampton Town Board work session of Tuesday, December 2nd, 2025. Carol, [snorts] if you could please read the roll call. >> Council member Flake, >> present. Lee, >> Present. If we could all please stand [clears throat] for the pledge of >> allegiance. To the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> So [clears throat] this morning we start with public portion. We ask you to please kindly keep your comments to three minutes. As you can see, there's a lot of folks that want to speak today. And then we have uh six topics on our agenda. First, we'll start

002with bids with Jeannie Corrosa. Then we have the proposed changes to the agricultural site plan applications and that's being brought to us by the a committee and Tina Logeran in our planning department. Then we have the 152 3M Harbor affordable housing overlay petition for change of zone. That discussion will be led by Tina uh Logaran and Eric Shance. Then Tom House will be making a presentation on Hampton Pride proposal for Wayne Scott Green, the Rick Delmaster Memorial Park. We will have an uh after hearing discussion on chapter 255 modify requirements for ADUs with our uh deputy town attorney Britney Toadano followed by a presentation and update on the ditch planes dune reconstruction with David Lee and Brian Frank. That'll be followed by liaison reports and then resolutions. So I have a list here of folks

003that have signed up. What I had said earlier before we went on camera is if you didn't get a chance to sign up and you want to speak, I will be asking for a show of hands and you know you're welcome to come to the podium. So first up is Vicky Litman. >> Welcome Vicki. >> My name is Vicky Litman. >> Could you just make sure you're talking into the microphone so folks at home can hear? >> I need a little step stool. >> Thank you. Um, and I'm here today to discuss a situation concerning one of our community seniors who resided at St. Michael's Senior Affordable Housing. I was contacted by a senior living here who informed me that they were being evicted. As we spoke, she was sitting in the parking lot with

004someone from the Department of Social Services while the sheriff's office packed up her belongings. [snorts] She was the only she was only allowed to take one suitcase of clothes. This 80-year-old woman who had suffered a stroke and had her arm amputated. She has no family to provide support. She mentioned that she'd be going to emergency housing and she had assisted living scheduled in 10 days in Ron Conanka, but St. Michael's housing couldn't wait. The sheriff's office informed her that she could not go through her belongings until they were placed on the sidewalk on Montalk Highway in Amigansen. As she waited, she was then informed by DSS that they could not wait any longer for her belongings to be placed on the sidewalk and she had to leave everything she owned behind. The following day, the

005town arrived with a payloader and discarded all of her belongings into a dump truck. She lost everything, including all of her life's pictures, belongings filled with cherished memories. How did this happen? Where was the social service coordinator at St. Michael's housing? I reviewed St. Michael's housing website and found only a general statement regarding the role of the social service coordinator. Each complex has an SS coordinator on the staff who is there to help the resident navigate through their home and health needs and link the resident to the necessary services he or she may need. There was no fun phone number or name that I could even contact. I didn't know who to call. It is despicable that anyone in senior housing would allow this to happen. I'm not here to dispute the reason for her

006eviction. Unfortunately, this is not the first time a senior living in affordable housing has reached out to me for assistance. When I inquired about this situation, I was informed that there was another woman who was evicted and her belongings were placed on the sidewalk and she's now living in a car. Each affordable housing complex has its own board. However, there have been allegations of retaliation against residents when residents makes complaints to the board. So, I'm here today requesting that this board establish an independent oversight committee for all housing in the town of East Hampton. The town provides grants to these affordable housing projects. Therefore, it is essential that this town board ensures that these housing facilities treat their residents fairly, humanely, and with respect. Imagine if it was your mother treated this way. Our seniors

007deserve our respect and this town boards needs to ensure that they'll stand behind them with unwavering support and I have pictures that were taken and this was very hard for me. It took me a little while to come because I was so emotional the day that she called and I did reach out to Tom and thank you Tom for sending me a list but that was you I couldn't get any help. Um but this is all her stuff on the sidewalk. everything she owned, pictures of her family, her kids, everything was gone. And this is the picture of the payloader that [clears throat] dumped it the next day. Now, if she had only been given more support, maybe, you know, maybe she could have reached out to someone earlier to help her move her stuff,

008but she didn't. She wasn't, you know, unable. She had a stroke. She mentally wasn't able to deal with the situation. So, I would appreciate if you could do this committee. All of you know my phone number and I do know a couple people that would be willing to reside on it. >> All right. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Uh next up is Katie [clears throat] Casey. >> Welcome Katie. >> Thank you. Good morning supervisor and town council. Um Katie Casey or Katherine Casey from the East Hampton Housing Authority. Uh, I'm speaking on 152 and 33. I appreciate all the good work the planning department has put into reviewing this proposal and applaud the town board for seeking new and innovative ways to meet the housing needs of the community. I would welcome private development

009of reasonably priced housing that is built, operated, and maintained as affordable to residents of East Hampton. The housing authority does pro does partner with for-profit developers who make a reasonable return on their investments. We could not deliver the projects we do without their partnership. The proposal being discussed today is not by definition affordable housing. It is for-profit development seeking favorable zoning and consideration under affordable housing rules. Uh with regard to co-ops or condos, um it is it would be very difficult to manage and ensure compliance. The Office of Housing and Community Development and the East Hampton Housing Authority do not manage private property. OCD does inspect private homes with section 8 tenants and administers ADUs um ADU permitting, but does not manage those properties. A condo or co-op scheme would mean multiple owners, many likely

010to be LLC's, further offiscating who is the responsible party. There should be one owner owner, agent or manager ultimately responsible for the entire property for effective management to ensure conformity with the special permit conditions. 79 units is too ambitious and runs contrary to the 60 unit cap for any given site regardless of lot size. Maximum 60 units at one site or project is a reasonable yield. Two contiguous lots should be considered one site. Merging the two lots for development and septic purposes or keeping two separate lots should not change the 60 units per cap site uh per site cap. To date, the housing authority has never applied for a variance but works within the limits of existing code and has never built more than 50 on any given site. The housing authority, windmill, whale bone,

011and St. Michaels deliver affordable housing to the community within the parameters of town code. I invite the private sector to do so. Also, condos can be built, multif family rentals, single family homes, AHOs, and ADUs. These are all existing tools available to private for-profit developers to create reasonably priced homes for East Hampton residents. Employers [clears throat] can uh employers can and do purchase or build on the open market to provide workforce housing. We should continue to work on new and mutually beneficial initiatives to meet the housing needs of residents while preserving quality of life and community integrity. In conclusion, the profit potential should be very of this particular plan should be very attractive to developers who uh likely do not want to carry the property or be landlords. But the co-op condo model is highly

012problematic concerning continued compliance monitoring and holding property operators accountable. Alternatively, developers should consider a master lease with subleasases to employers with one central management. Employer buyers should expect to lose money annually. Uh but they may decide that the equity in the property is worth it, particularly if they can expand their business with additional employees. It is conceivable that a a family could purchase one of these units for private use. The project as proposed maximizes profit for the developer and may be a benefit to local businesses, but does not appear to be truly affordable housing, which stabilizes community, promotes affordable year-round residency, allows for occupational and economic mobility of renters, and includes a solid plan for responsible management and special permit compliance that does not burden the town with administrative functions beyond current scope. 79 units

013is excessive. The project should be held to existing code which already enables both affordable multif family rental housing with higher densities 8 or 12 um and uh private sector development of condos or co-ops at market rate with lower density which translates to lower return but is permissible. As presented, this proposal at its core is an open market commercial for-profit enterprise under the guise of affordable housing in an attempt to benefit from preferential town code, swift expediting, and waved fees. I urge the town board to remain vigilant to avoid setting any precedent that has the potential to carry with it irreparable unintended consequences and reject this particular plan as proposed. >> Thank you, Katie. Thank you. Next up is Paul King III. Welcome, Paul. [clears throat] >> Good morning. Uh, my name is Paul King and

014I grew up in the neighborhood directly impacted by the proposed 79 unit development at Three Mile Harbor and West Drive. I'm here to express my strong opposition to the proposed reszoning and development of the lots. While I agree that affordable housing is much needed, especially as a young person living here, watching all my friends leave each day as it continues to become more and more unrealistic to survive here. I do not believe [clears throat] that this kind of project is the answer. After reviewing the town planning department's memo, I have serious concerns regarding zoning compliance, the neighborhood compatibility, environmental impacts, and the unprec unprecedented ownership model proposed by the developer. Specifically, the project exceeds the 60-unit limit for the single site and appears to require variance. The employerowned condominium model is not contemplated anywhere in

015the town code and require new regulations and oversight structures that are not yet in place. The density and sizes of the development are out of character with the surrounding residential neighborhood. Uh, one parcel includes native woodland and likely habitat for the endangered northern longear bat. And, uh, growing up here, I could tell you that it's also home to many eastern box turtles, which are also in decline. Uh, habitats like these, including the open field habitat on the property, are very important corridors for our native wildlife, and it seems we're losing them with every new project. The development would require clear cutting nearly of all of it. >> [snorts] >> The traffic study submitted by the developer uses flawed methodologies and emits nearby projects and the school impact study was authored by the developer rather than

016an independent professional. Um the traffic impact would be huge. The neighborhood already has too many vehicles cutting through and speeding um down Morris Park as we have seen by the town's recent addition of vehicle weight limits as well as stop signs. um say, "Given these unresolved issues, I respectfully request that the board reject the resoning request and require any future proposal to fully comply with the existing town code, environmental pro uh protections, and proper planning standards." Thank you for your time. >> Thank you, Paul. [clears throat] Brian Nichols. >> Welcome, Brian. Good morning, uh, Supervisor Burke, members of the board, and the community. Um, my name is Brian Niggles, and I'm here, uh, on behalf of my family, uh, Lisa and Charlie Niggles, who own the, uh, home at number 160 3M Harbor Road, immediately

017neighboring the 152 property that is being considered. um as well as owners of Round Swamp Farm, the farmland that is also immediately neighboring this property that for 10 generations my family has farmed and lived on. Um I'm here to strongly oppose that this zoning change be considered. This is the wrong place for something like this, an industrial uh condominium complex to be built for many reasons. Most importantly, what was once 3 acre zone land that had one house on it now would be considered for uh that's one unit for every 3 acres would be considered to have 12 units for every one acre. It's it's a massive project that is the would destroy the neighborhood and what little farm presence open space presence there still is in the Freetown uh area of 3M Harbor Road.

018Uh there are many flaws uh and contradictions within the studies that the applicant has provided. Uh one of which being that the applicant states that the maximum impact to the school district will be 80 students uh and likely less uh with the assumption that um tenants will be single uh single people without families without children. However, why would it be necessary to have two or threebedroom units for a single person with no family? Uh so I I find that to be uh very suspicious and uh flawed reasoning behind their economic study. Uh furthermore, it concerns me that the town uh is hearing such a lengthy application that obviously uh much time and effort has been put into behind the scenes. The community has only just recently found out about it uh through neighborhood uh action

019um over the weekend over Thanksgiving weekend. Uh the applicant's attorney has requested that the uh approval be issued by next week, December 9th. Otherwise, the project will not go forward. So, here we are. Uh and uh furthermore, traffic uh 160 parking spaces are proposed. If you count how many cars are in the parking lot of Buzzche dealership right now, there are about 160 cars. So, picture putting a dealership, a car dealership's worth of cars in the middle of three Mile Harbor Road neighborhood. Uh the applicant states that it is in accordance with the comprehensive plan that this is a industrial and commercial neighborhood and I invite everybody who's here from West Drive and Morris Park to describe whether their neighborhood if they would consider their homes and their yard uh families uh spaces as industrial

020and commercial. This is a residential neighborhood. Uh it has 3 acre and 1acre parcels. This is not a commercial area. This is the wrong site for this proposal. Uh there are other places that should have affordable housing. I grew up here. I went to John Marshall Elementary School. I went to East Hampton High School with the attorney's children. I know many people who live here and who can't live here anymore. And I understand that affordable housing is important. Um, we have suggested on our farm uh to the to the to the credit of the town and what you'll be discussing in the future that there are options for affordable housing to be built within structures that currently exist in barns and in other uh ways that would keep the character, the rural character, the the

021farmland that this board and this town and this community has spent generations to preserve. to throw that out the window at this time and in such a a a speedy and without uh proper notice to the to the town. And yes, I understand hearings will be had and that this will be something that is ongoing, but a lot of work has been done behind the scenes on this. It's very concerning that so much is happening that they're requesting that this approval be done within a week. It's preposterous and I hope the town doesn't waste a single moment more of your time or the taxpayer dollars of the citizens of this town and immediately and swiftly denies the application. Thank you very much. >> Thank you, BRIAN. [applause] >> Albert Lester, >> welcome Albert. >> I'm

022still I'm from Roundup also. My family settled. If >> you could just move the microphone closer to you. I just want to make sure the folks at home can hear. My family settled this town along with, you know, a bunch of other people, the first people to come here. And it's just disgusting to think that they would take something like this, an old state like this, tear down this beautiful home and put up, you know, a a bunch of stuff. And I'd have to look at it cuz I live in the back lot there. And it's it's just disgusting that people would even think about doing this. You have down by the airport, you have plenty of room down there, green and in ways. And there's plenty of room around to build build. We already

023have two places built on three mahaba road. We have whale bone and the other new one they put up down you know the road from us and that's enough. You got to stop it. It's going to to me it's an eyesaw right in front of my house and my house is 300 years old and that house I don't know how old that is but it's old too and that was in the family too. people relations. Most of the people on Three Mahome Road were related to us when I was a boy and I [clears throat] just can't see destroying this place and that's what's doing. We got enough with, you know, the industrial that's over on the Springs roadside coming across. That's all I got to say. >> Thank you, Albert. [applause] >> JB De

024Santos. Welcome JP. >> Thank you madame supervisor and good morning members of the board. Um I've been a resident of Freetown for the last 25 years and having worked on the comprehensive plan for the town of East Hampton and the upzoning. Um, I strongly oppose this idea of reszoning and u building 79 units which will mostly most likely put out on the road 200 cars with a minimum of 400 uh trips back and forth and um we already have whale bone we have uh the 30 units on 16 acres. How would you fit in 79 units on under 6 acres plus the house that sits there at 152 is 175 years old? Um, we should learn from the past. It's something we should preserve and not destroy. And we also have project most uh down

025the road 98 3M Harbor. We have the club um with idea of building 10 12,000 square ft. It's too much. soon you're not going to be able to get through and we're going to become Southampton and we do not want that. East Hampton is East Hampton picturesque beautiful and we want to keep it that way. Thank you very much and I strongly oppose uh this change of um zoning and the construction of those units. Thank you. >> Thank you JB [applause] >> Diane Jordan. Welcome Diane. >> Good morning. My name is Diane Jordan. The proposed 79 unit development project at a minimum yielding 382 new residents is one of the largest density increases this area has ever seen and is being pushed forward on residential streets with no meaningful notice and without proper environmental review.

026This project presents serious density, traffic, safety, noise, and environmental risks, and it will permanently change the character of this neighborhood which is in direct conflict with the town's comprehensive plan. The proposed plan includes a reasonzoning request for affordable housing development overlay designation. This resoning application is a gross misrepresentation of the definition of affordable housing. Affordable housing is defined by incomebased eligibility and regulated rents typically under federal or state programs to ensure compliance with affordability standards. The proposal is intended for business owners purchasing homes to rent to their employees without any government oversight, income verification, or rent regulation. This is not affordable housing. It is a private rental arrangement with no enforceable standards or long-term affordability guarantees. Additionally, the request to change town code and create a new administrative structure would require hiring permanent full-time sta

027town staff to enforce compliance. Those salaries will come from taxpayer dollars. Why should taxpayers subsidize oversight for a private business model? The answer is we should not approve the zoning or change in town code as taxpayers and voters are not supportive. Taking a deeper look at the environmental risk of this proposed plan, increased housing density threatens groundwater quality and septic system capacity in this environment environmentally sensitive watershed area. Public health and wildlife habitats will be endangered townwide. More septic discharge introduces nitrogen and pathogens into East Hampton's sole source aquafer, which is the only drinking water source for this entire community. Increasing imperous surfaces such as parking lots, rooftops, and driveways will significantly amplify storm water runoff, carrying pollutants and debris into surrounding waterways. These contaminants spread downstream, degrading water quality and ecosystems. As for traffic

028and safety, 3M Harbor Road, Morris Park Lane, and West Drive are not designed for high traffic volumes. A 79 unit complex will generate hundreds of daily car trips, truck deliveries, and more service vehicles on the roads with no sidewalks, limited shoulders, poor street lighting, and already limited visibility. Pedestrians, including children, cyclists, and joggers, share these roadways with motor vehicles. These higher traffic volumes will vastly increase pedestrian and motor vehicle accidents as well as wildlife collisions. Emergency access and response to emergencies are also at serious risk. Increased traffic volume will obstruct fire trucks, ambulances, and p and police vehicles, delaying critical response time, possibly fatally delayed. Despite being labeled workforce housing, these units signal seasonal dormatory housing for transient summer staff. This means higher turnover, late night activity, excess parking, and traffic patterns entirely incompatible with

029these streets. We respectfully ask for an immediate pause on all approval and a commitment that the town maintains its lowdensity residential character and rejects this project. Thank you very much for your time. >> Thank you very much. [applause] >> Next is Jerry Butler. Welcome, Jerry. [clears throat and cough] >> My name is Jerry Butler. I am chair of the CAC of East Hampton. And I have a letter here that was written to the board um that I'd like to read to everybody here. >> Sure. >> Can everybody hear me by the way? >> Yes. >> Okay. At our [laughter] at the December 1st, 2025 regular meeting of the East Hampton Sag Harbor CAC, 10 members of the community in our jurisdiction came to address our committee regarding the work session topic 152 3 Harbor Road

030and 33 West Drive. On the agenda for the December 2nd, 2025 town board work session. All 10 in attendants were unanimous in opposing the code change to allow 79 units of condominium style workforce housing on these two parcels. None of those present indicated that they would be able to attend the work session because they all have work to do during the day. But some indicated that they would try to call in for public comment. The committee offered to write this letter on their behalf which was unanimously approved by the committee. The community members believe the proposed proposal being considered today is too intensive and will adversely impact their neighborhood. They oppose a code change to allow large-scale development to be sold as individual units to be rented out by owners. They also oppose opening West

031Drive which would overburden Morris Park Lane and already inadequate roadway for the existing traffic. Furthermore, they had reviewed and found law flaws in the traffic study submitted and expressed doubt that this particular housing proposal would have any meaningful community benefit. We respectfully submitted Jerry Butler. >> Thank you, Jerry. >> Yeah. Next up is Rona Clapman. >> Welcome, Rona. >> Thank you. Good morning, board. It's Rona Kman from Amigansit. Um, I'm not here to talk about what everybody else is here to talk about, so you might be a little relieved. Um, I'm here to to discuss the presentation first on the agenda, uh, which will be presented by Tina Lren, the director of the town planning department regarding the agricultural advisory board and the proposed changes to the site plan review process. I've taken time to

032thoroughly review the documents related to the agenda item and I have to admit I'm totally unclear about the recommendations that will be presented today by the planning department. Uh when I went into the history of agriculture in East Hampton, I came across a very noteworthy editorial in the East Hampton Star dating back to January 2011 titled Quing Trouble on Farmland. And the central theme of that piece was strong support for continued reviews by planning and zoning board in public sessions as that time there was a desire to have no site plan review uh by by farmers. The sentiment of having a review and that was 14 years ago. So it's been ongoing for a long time. Uh the review of each and every property remains relevant and worth considering as we discuss the future of

033agricultural lands. According to historical records, there are approximately 366 acres of farming property throughout the town. Before any decisions are made regarding changes to site plan review process, I think there should be a comprehensive document detailing these properties, including the names of the owners, the addresses, the restrictions, easements, and development rights associated with each of the farms. For instance, we know that Peter Dancowsky received $4 million for development rights on his property. So what specific restrictions accompany that transaction? Similarly, Pat struck received $2 million in development rights for the farmers market which has since evolved into amber waves. So we have to ask ourselves what other properties exist with easements and restrictions that the taxpayers should be aware of. And also there's been this recent controversy on further land further lane farmland owned by the

034little family and sold recently and there's kind of been a lack of an awareness by anybody as to the situation considering uh you know it's been in the paper recently. The highlights show the critical importance of having a thorough understanding of the agricultural lands and easements and restrictions. The absence of a site plan review can significantly imp impact neighborhoods and properties adjacent to these agricultural sites. How can we allow unknown information regarding agricultural lands to proceed without proper review, especially if we don't have any listing of the development rights restrictions and easements for each of these properties? So, we would like the I'd like the town board to consider the implication of the proposed changes carefully. It's essential we maintain transparency and ensure all stakeholders are informed about agrica agriculture landscape in East Hampton. Only

035then can we make decisions in the best interests of the community and preserve the integrity of the farming heritage. So I thank you. Thank you Rona. Next up is Jane Miring. Welcome Jane. Morning. I hope everyone had a lovely holiday, Thanksgiving. Um, I'm Jane Merring. I live in Emagans. I'm here speaking only as an individual uh resident, not as a member of any appointed board. I wanted to speak on ADUs today. Um, I did speak, as you'll recall, at the public hearing on the record last week, but I wanted to just take a little extra time to um reiterate or just expand on some of the things I said because I was going fast as usual. Um, so, uh, first I just wanted to say, you know, at the public hearing I advocated that, and

036I know the record's closed now, right? Um, advocated that both detached and attached ADUs can be permitted on 15,000 square foot lots compared to the current 20,000 minimum. As part of that, I wanted to make clear that the part of the co that this part of the code should be written to make clear that ADUs and existing improvements on a lot together should meet all must meet all dimensional zoning requirements including GFA coverages, setbacks, and clearing. Um because I don't think that was made super clear in this uh this draft. Um second, I addressed the language that appears repeatedly across the proposed code. quote, "The accessory dwelling unit is rented or occupied by either a person who a a person who qualifies as a resident or b a member of the owner's family. Of course,

037creating affordable living options for family members, perhaps younger or senior family members who can't find accessible, stable year-round ha ha housing is a key goal of ADUs. Uh however, the [clears throat] broader goal is for ADUs to add to the affordable housing stock that can accommodate people who live and work locally here year round. So I suggest the language perhaps simply changes to quote an unrelated person or a member of an owner's family who qualifies as a resident. If you move forward leaving the language the way it's written, this code will leave a very large loophole, especially when you open it up to ADUs being created on properties that are seasonally owned as opposed to primary residences. I mean, you can sort of think about some of these unintended consequence. You have a not even

038a second homeowner um letting their maybe their family, their young person live there, but they're not working in the town. they're not creating anything. So, it's not really an ADU anymore. It becomes a guest house um or sort of a high-end crash pad. And I think that's very counter to this board's good intent for expanding ADU inventory onto non, you know, not simply primary residents properties. Um, I I reiterate I agree with the concept of expanding the reach of ADU creation on such lots, but the code as written in the draft does not yet address numerous likely unintended problematic consequences and opens it up to potential abuse which helps no one. Um so and again this was also brought up by another person my last sentence that um you know the second homes are not

039just second homes there are speculative development that wind up in the you know very short-term rental circus and I don't think this code really has anticipated it. I know I hear the term uh you know we don't want analysis by you know paralysis analysis. I think that's not the way of looking at it. You know, it's good governance and it's the right way to craft code to really work on unintended consequences. It doesn't have to be perfect, but I think this part of it has to be closer. So, thank you for letting me come back on that. >> Thank you, Jane. Chris [clears throat] Kelly, uh, Christopher Kelly, Tumi, Laam, Shay, Kelly, Dub, and Corduraro for the applicant on 152. I want to thank the board for taking the time to consider this application. We've

040been working with town officials now for over three years uh working to try to develop a pathway to encourage the or incentivize the private sector to build affordable housing. Uh and there's an advantage to that strategy. Um several advantages. One, it requires no public money. There's no strings attached to that money. And the private sector has the ability to move much quicker in terms of constructing a project. Now the workforce model we have developed which has been applied to the 350 Pantiggo project which is now before the planning board and we hope to apply to this project uh allows employers to buy condo units and rent to their incomequalified employees. Affordability is protected because there is an affordable housing easement on the property. There are restrictions in the offering plan that is uh filed with

041the AG's office and uh there are income qualifications and review of leases. So there's multiple belt and suspender u techniques for assuring affordability. Now I thought it was interesting uh with the uh housing authority director up and I just share a story. I know you guys are bored with my stories, but um back in the believe it was the 80s when I was the housing authorities council, we proposed converting a motel next to the Malkque train station to affordable apartments. They are now Avalon Apartments and they've been there for many years owned by the authority. the housing office director at that time stood up and opposed it and [clears throat] Tom Rule said, "Well, we've done a survey of people who don't have housing in the town and they'd much rather own than rent, so

042we're opposing this project." So, you can see that sometimes there's u territorial uh claims by certain people in government and there's certain arguments that in the uh view of time don't make a lot of sense. Now the memo produced by the planning department describes how this project satisfies the requirements of the code and I think several speakers u maybe need to familiarize themselves with the fact that there will be a package sewage treatment plant on here that the traffic study is has been submitted there's been economic analysis and a lot of the uh documents that are actually required more for the planning board's consideration than for reasonzoning but take take it to face value that we've submitted them here and the town will consider it as part of the reasonzoning. The only issue we have

043with the memo from the planning department, they did an excellent and comprehensive job, is with as to whether a variance is required for this uh the 79 units as opposed to 60. That's ultimately going to be a determination of the building inspector. It doesn't need to be made at this juncture because we'll have to abide by whatever the building inspector ultimately says. But there other ways is to deal with that and that is to allow uh to have an amendment whereby the planning board would uh uh be allowed to modify density in in situations where there was over 200% of the minimum lot size for affordable housing development which we have in this case. But there are ways to deal with that and we'll, you know, live with whatever the town ultimately decides. So, thank

044you for considering this and we and we hope you look favorably on the application. >> Thank you, Chris. Next up is Hersy Edgington. >> Welcome, Hercu Kathy and town board. Uh, I'm Hershey Edgington, a resident of Wayne Scott since 1978. Uh, indulge me in a change of topic, but I'm here to express my concerns about the pink tetrahedrin of mirror balls that's a part of the Hampton's Pride commemorative proposal for Wayne Scott Green, uh, Rick Delmro Memorial Park. First, let me express my admiration and respect for the work of Tom House, a Hampton's Pride founder and the presenter this morning of the commemorative plan, and Gustavo Bonvardi, the designer of the proposed plan. I am also a [clears throat] significant supporter of Hampton's Pride and its activities and have been a participant for several years

045in the Hampton's Pride parade. However, I am concerned about the aesthetics and the scale of at part of the referenced historical marker, which looks to me more like an oversized display of pink civil war cannonballs than the New York City Gay Activist Alliance symbol of civil rights, pride, and celebration. That symbol is an inverted pink triangle, not the stack of mirrored balls designed by Mr. Bonavari for this park. I think that the commemorative plan works most effectively with the ingground markers already in place at the four corners of the original swamp nightclub, the recreated triangular dance floor and the stone bench with the curving side facing the dance floor with the continuous mosaic mural and finally the stone path cir circling the dance floor. So I thank you for your consideration. Thank you, Hersy. So,

046that's everyone that has signed up this morning. Kirby, and then you could go next. Yeah. >> Good morning, Kirby. >> It's still good morning. So, good morning to the uh town board. I'm Kirby Mark Antonio. I've lived here since 1960 when I came here when I was 8 years old. Went to St. Filamina's Catholic School, which is now Most Holy Trinity. Apparently, there was no St. Filyamina. Graduated from East Hampton High School when it was the middle school, now dislocated my shoulder at Hericfield playing football. And I've watched over the years as the town that I love has slowly become impossible to live in because of the high cost of housing. I want to thank the board for this time and also thank all the people who came to express their thoughts. This is one

047of the most important projects proposed in this town. And as you'll hear from Eric's presentation, it checks all the boxes for an affordable housing overlay. 3 acres or more, public water, access to two means of access in egress, a configuration that allows for the coded 12 unit density, and a state-of-the-art septic system that that will be the envy of the neighborhood. But we all know why we're here. Businesses can't hire because they can't house anyone. From the town itself [snorts] to Southampton Hospital, local restaurants, shops, construction, service business are all in the same boat. And we need a bigger boat, my friend. I've spent four years working on this project. The first result is 350 Panago where we will build 47 units. Problem is, we already have 70 local businesses that want units. Many more

048want more than one. So, how are we going to choose who gets units, who survives, and who doesn't? 152 Three Mile Harbor is the answer. And we are damn lucky to have found it. In a town that is 97% preserved or developed, finding a piece that merits an AHO is nearly impossible. There are none in Monttok. There are none in Amigans. There are a handful in East Hampton. And then we have the big three in Wayne Scott. The gun club, the airport, and the sand pit. None of which I expect to see any housing built there. Well, not in the next 10 years, let's say. [snorts] So, let me just get to the specifics of what's been raised here. And I thank the people for bringing these concerns. First of all, there was a a

049question about secrecy, for lack of a better term, a cabal of people between the town and us who are interrelated in some way and skirting the normal procedure. Well, first of all, we've been working for four years on workforce. So, the workforce concept should not be anything new to anyone who follows what we've been doing. Second of all, this property was put on the market in January of this year. I know from the agent that they went to every stakeholder in Three-Mile Harbor and they offered it to them. Nobody bought it. Nobody wanted it. It was brought to us because they understood that we might have a utility for it. So the first thing I always do is I go to the town to ask their opinion. In that case, it was Eric, Eric Chance,

050when Eric was still the office of housing. Eric sat down and to my surprise drafted a memo which said that because this site is two distinct pieces of property with two distinct accesses and accesses over 3 acres in size with the proper configuration and public water. It should be treated as two sites. That didn't come from us. That came from Eric. So then we had to prove that we could actually take these two parcels which collectively come to 79 units again as per Eric's memo and our engineer came up with a way that we could actually use the property within the code to do exactly what should be done. Then we went to the Suffach County Health Department to vet the idea that rather than having two septic uh systems, it would be far more

051beneficial to have one septic system. They concurred. We therefore were over the course of 6 months able to come to a site plan which we have now had waiting to be seen by the town. So as far as anything done behind closed doors if people want to pay attention to the planning process they could have read the tea leaves and more importantly if they wanted to buy the property I guess they might have. Now how about workforce itself as a concept as affordable housing. Affordable housing is very simple to understand. Somebody's got to own it and somebody's going to live in it. Most of the projects here are owned by the town of East Hampton. They own it. They rent it to people who qualify. That's affordable housing. We have leveraged the private sector to

052take the financial burden off the town so that they themselves are the stakeholders. So whether it's Southampton Hospital or the town we would hope or Luigi's these people understand that having housing is the key to continuing to operate their businesses public, private, whatever it may be. They cannot right now buy anything affordable to house employees in because as we all know the cheapest house in in East Hampton a million two million three million four and you only get to put four people in it. Now, we also know there's plenty of dark housing where people are using single family houses with does not respect those limitations because they can't do anything else. Which means the people who live in those are living in either unsafe conditions, illegal conditions, or quite frankly conditions that make them want

053to say, "Hey, I don't want to be here. Let's leave." So as far as workforce being an affordable housing concept, the town itself with the condominium itself will oversee the leases that exist between the tenants and >> say that again. Say that again. >> Town will oversee Did you just say >> if you could just repeat what you just said? I I I could you repeat what you just said, please. >> Yes, I did. that again these these projects are structured so that a lease exists between the employes and the owners of the unit. That lease of which you have a copy I believe specifically sets the amount of rent that can be paid by those tenants which fit within the affordable housing guidelines. There are penalties for violating any statute of it, which means

054that the people who live there have to work for the employers. They have to state that each calendar year with a lease shown to the town of East Hampton and to us and to the condominium owners. There is no subleting. There is no Airbnb. There is no third-party use of these properties. If for some reason anyone were to violate these provisions, there's a very simple uh remedy, forfeite, they will lose their unit. And we have people behind them want to buy them. So there's no problem about that. The second thing is affordability should be something that is perpetual, not temporary. in prior in uh incarcations such as Whale Bone, the original Whale Bone, that wasn't thought of because who knew that a $85,000 house in 1982 was going to be worth a million for today.

055I have a friend who has one. He's going to retire in Florida and take the money with him. God bless him. >> So, here's the point. These units are not just more affordable than anything on the open market. They are also regulated to be a increase in the sales price of three uh CPI per year. So if CPI this year is 3% and you own one of these units, your unit now is worth 3% more than when you bought it. If you sell it 10 years down the road and we continue on this type of a of a CPI, it'll be worth 30% more than when you bought it. Of course, the average house in Springs is going up at 8% per year. So in 10 years it's going to be worth about 2.1. Now

056how about the effect on the neighborhood? First of all, we are going to make improvements to this neighborhood that is going to make the life of residents in that neighborhood better. Currently, West Drive is what we call an old town road, old file map road. Basically a somewhat improved dirt road that runs from the edge of our property down to springs. Now on paper though it exists from there north an extra 150 ft to link up with Tar Bark Road a fully functional townspec road with public water on it. We are going to at our own expense improve the road to that point, pave it, bring it up to town specs, bring down public water, and now the people who live on that side of the development, will be able to take that road, not

057Three Mile Harbor Road, and go down to Springs Fireplace Road. Now, compare that to Gardener's Green, which is just up the road from us, where you have 50 plus units that has one access, three Mile Harbor. It's been there for two years now. I haven't heard anybody particularly complaining about traffic there. And our traffic study demonstrates by making that improvement, we will not just allow our residents to have better access onto the road system. The people on West Drive will have a better access onto the road system. We also because we are bringing public water to our site, we will need to share that public water with people who live on West Drive. if they currently are working on private wells, they will have the option of hooking up to public water at our expense.

058So, the last thing of course is septic. Now, septic of course is something that is crucial to any of these projects. You cannot build 12 units to the acre without a state-of-the-art package system. The same package system that exists at gardener's green. The same package system that exor at um uh in Amigans at Gansit Green. This is the super size state-of-the-art $2.5 million septic system. It makes everybody else's residential septic system look like a Model T. You would die to have one of these systems in your backyard because guess what? Nothing comes out of it. You get a little bit of water. You stick it in a leeching field. That's it. That's why every county and every town on on Long Island except for East Hampton recently approved these systems at these densities because they

059were far superior to anything that could be installed. So, as far as the environmental aspect of this project on this neighborhood, we're going to improve access. We're going to bring public water, and we're going to have a septic system that they all wish they might have a part of. Now, um, affordable housing versus workforce housing. We would love to build affordable housing, but here's an easy way of looking at it. Affordable housing to build these units that we build or the town builds is about a $700,000 proposition. Currently, the town only allows you to buy a house at $500,000. That's a cap that is set in the code and so far has never been changed. I think it should be changed. However, if you're going to build affordable housing where you can sell it to

060an average person here, and by the way, even an average person to buy a $500,000 house needs to be earning about $150,000 a year. Still, you can't close the gap between the 500 you could sell it to and the 700 it cost you to buy unless you a get a subsidy. Who's the subsidy going to come from? The taxpayer? I don't know. Are you going to get it from the state of New York? If you do, you're going to have to let everybody in the state of New York buy those units as they can apply for a rental unit at a Gancet Green. So, unless you're going to do something fiscally, >> please understand that this is public portion. I want to be equal to >> I think my my closing point is very simple.

061We are a town with very few resources when it comes to housing. We all know that there are almost no places to build what we need to build. We're willing to go out and put $30 million on the line to make this work. We're doing it in full display of anybody who wants to know. I'll be happy to meet with anybody who has an interest in knowing more. And the point of the matter is that this is the code of the town of East Hampton. This meets all the regulations that are necessary as Eric is going to present. And the fact that off the top of their head, some people in that neighborhood have decided that they simply don't like the idea only means that they need to be educated more and see the benefits

062not just for the neighborhood, but for the town of East Hampton itself in which we all share a part. No matter what street or neighborhood you live in, if we can't house [clears throat] people, we can't function. We're taking our side of it on. We would love to help on the affordable housing side as well, but that is a bridge yet to be crossed. In the meantime, we have a project in front of us that's been germinating for over a year in a four-year process that we believe is going to be beneficial to this town. And I thank you for your time. >> Thank you, Kirby. And I gave Kirby latitude because he is the applicant. The woman back here, she had her hand up first. You can go next. Thank you. >> [clears throat]

063>> Hi, >> welcome. >> Hi. Is this on Hi, my name is Mary Waserstein. I live at 97 Three Mal Harbor Road. And I have to say I'm feeling a little emotional as I've listened to all of this. I've lived on Three Mal Harbor Road for the last 15 years. And we just heard about this recently. This would be devastating to our neighborhood, which is overly overburdened. In the last 15 years, I've watched the housing project go up. I've watched the sand mine behind my house clear 13 acres and it goes on and on. Yes, there has been impact from the increased housing on Thermal Harbor Road. In the morning when I'm taking my children to the middle school and the high school, sometimes it takes me upwards of 10 minutes to get outside my

064driveway. I respectfully decline Kirby your offer of an approved road. I also have town water already, so I'm good on that mo point. This is so unkeeping with our neighborhood which is a workingclass local families and the fact that you would put in 69 sorry 79 condos for parking for 200 people shocks me. I actually did look at that property with my mother to buy it. And the reason we didn't is that we were looking to buy to put different houses for for one of my sisters and myself and we were told by the broker that was not an option. So to find out now that additional family homes for local families wasn't an option, but 79 condos that could be potentially owned by 79 different owners is shocking. And on top of it, the

065increased burden apparently now you guys will be managing the leases. I just don't even know how we got here. I mean, I suggest to everyone on this town board, go walk that parcel of land and see if any of this seems inapprop seems appropriate at all. So, I'm not as well prepared and I don't have all the information, but I can tell you from an impassion plea for someone who's lived there for 15 years with their family and cares deeply about this community, please don't do this to Freetown. [applause] >> Welcome. >> Good morning. Am I Do we have the mic in the right place? We do. >> Um, my name is Jonathan Moore. I live at 134 3M Harbor Road, just a few houses down from the proposed development. I'm also uh council for

066the Freetown Neighborhood Coalition and I only learned last night about 6:00 returning home from my Thanksgiving vacation uh of this project. So, we will pre be presenting comprehensive comments on the on the proposal, but my initial reaction is wow. Um, we uh we've been involved for 22 years on the simple issue of opening the two side two sides of West Drive. And I would I know um I moved up here from Washington and uh I did some lobbying work with Congress and it's just incredible to me how bad ideas never die. So what we have here uh we will we will uh I think is a a question of institutional memory. We have new people on the board. We have new people on the on the planning board. But the fact that incredibly the just

067this issue, this is a small part of this whole project of the reopening of West Drive has has even been put on the table to me is unbelievable. um the amount of traffic that would if you open West Drive, the whole Snyder development, which has six twostory buildings, two one-story buildings, 110 parking places, places for two two semis to they're going to be coming down Morris Park Lane. I live on that corner. Oh my goodness, what a mess every day. And it that's just incomprehensible. I mean, I suppose the uh there are other aspects of this we will address, but uh I only learned of this uh last night. I'm not prepared. The the Freetown Neighborhood Coalition will be presenting comprehensive comments on the proposal and I just wanted to let you know we are

068here and we are listening. Thank you for your time. >> Thank you, Jonathan. [applause] >> Charlie Hello. >> Welcome, Charlie. >> Charlie Niggles. I live at 163 M Harbor Road right next to where this is proposed. I am one of the guys that said that he didn't didn't want us to buy that property. Okay. The reason why we weren't couldn't afford that property was it was only allowed to add one more house onto that property. It was three acres. It was one acre when I bought my house. Now it's three acres. Zoned. It's agriculturally zoned. He paid agricultural taxes on this property. [clears throat] For for the life of me, I can't understand why the town is even entertaining this opport 78 units on it. Now I just went blank. he when okay if you're

069going to allow him to do that now can we take and do the same zoning the next 10 acres he's got 10 acres right next to it we'll do the same thing Carolyn's got 10 acres can she do the same thing now we have [clears throat] two three units of 80 houses on each one you have all affordable housing that you need in this town plus a gridlock of traffic so if you're going to do it for him you're going do it for us and for her. That's fair enough, right? The other he says it's affordable housing. How can you buy property for $5.5 million, put $30 million into it, and expect to get make make it affordable? Affordable for who? Who can afford to live in in an in something that's going to cost

070that much money? These guys are businessmen. They're not stupid. They're not going to do it and lose money at it. So somewhere's in here there's a whole lot of something that doesn't sound right and this is not the place to do it. You say, "Yeah, he's going out. His traffic's going out on the springs fireplace. He's going out on Three Mahabara." It comes to a fork at the end. It all ends up at the light at the firehouse right there. That's you're not changing anything. It just ends up down the road a little bit. You really, you want to change to some zoning, make it so that we can put housing in our barns, put housing above our our unit that we have, a 14,000 foot unit. We could put 20 apartments in the top

071of that. And we you wouldn't allow us to put a basement in it. We could have put apartments in that. You want to change zoning, do that. Six units in the barn in one barn, six units in another barn. We can put up small houses. All the farms a long time ago, everybody had had small housing and kept their help in the housing and that worked out fine. Our help, we have a lot of help. A lot of them live in Springs. A lot of them have lived in Flanders. They live up the road. That's not going to change. And if you you're not going to house all the people that work here. That's why there so many cars on the road coming this way in the morning. You just can't. just not going to

072happen. I mean, I we can't even have we can't buy stuff for our our own family, our sons and stuff like that. That's progress that's never going to change. The price of property, the reason why everybody comes out here because it's a beautiful place to live, that's not going to change. So, property value is going to go up. But for him to say, "This is going to be affordable housing." If Luigi's buys a unit for that to put their help in, you're gonna pay $100 a sandwich at Luigi's because he's got to pay for all of this. So, somebody's got to really look at this and really think if it's a good idea or not. And I know it's not a good idea right there. Not granted, it's Yeah, it's my backyard. From here to

073that first car, that's what I'm looking at. It's my It's 60 ft from here to the trustees office is how how far away this building all the back of it. >> Okay. >> Thank you, Charlie. >> Gentlemen in the back, please. [applause] [clears throat] >> Welcome. >> Thank you. Thank you for allowing me to speak. My name is Steve Thorson. I moved here with my father. If >> we could just stop the talking to the audience so we can hear the speaker, please. >> My name is Steve Thorson. I moved here [snorts] when I was 15 years old. My my father got a job out here. He was a town planner. He came out here because he loved this town and he loved the heritage and the he wanted to keep it that way and

074that's why he fought for years as a town planner to keep it so we didn't have Burger King and McDonald's and everything else. So I'm speaking on behalf of my father and myself. I'm a whale bone project right here. Okay. I came in I was ready to leave. Uh, I got somebody gave me a an opportunity to buy a piece of property for a less amount. I bought the property. I worked three jobs. My wife worked and we bought the property on our own. We went and built a modular home. Okay? And we're still here. I added on to that home. And I'm not going anywhere. I'm not selling it like a lot of people around me. I have six neighbors. I'm a culde-sac, you know, and a flag lot on a culde-sac. I got

075six neighbors. My neighbors have changed over and over again. Some are renting, some are doing this. One's a Airbnb now. You know what? That's not me. This is going to be for my kids. [snorts] But when I found out I could stay here, I joined the fire department. I was a member of the fire department. I got a job with the sheriff's department. I'm not leaving. But I was wondering if maybe we could start thinking about town not getting into the real estate end of it. And saying you got the CPF, you're buying property here and there, you know, just for people so they can look out at the beautiful scenery. Well, if you took and bought 20 acres, split them in half, you got you got 40 halfacre lots. And if you could see

076to giving some of the people that are on your list an opportunity to buy that at a a lesser rate and and see who can afford to buy that property and go get a modular or get their friends together, the framers, the electricians, the plumbers, and start building their own homes and they can develop their families because right now your first resp uh first responders are leaving right and left. Okay, pretty soon we're going to have to pay for it. I can tell you that right now. Unless they had family that have, you know, had property and they they're here. I mean, any, you know, we're all dealing with young people that are leaving right and left. Okay. I'd like to see some of them stay cuz they're they're the community. That's what makes community.

077The young people raising their families here. And it is a lovely place. And I know everybody wants to be here, but you know what? We got to try and not be in the real estate end of it because we could run into too many problems. But if we could buy property and let these kids have an opportunity to make their own plan, I think that's the way to go. I appreciate your time. Thank you. >> Thank you, Steve. [applause] >> Would anyone else like to address the board? Otherwise, I'm going to go to the phones. Welcome, Greg. >> I I want to come up and good morning and say I strongly oppose the project. >> You could just say your name for the record. >> Greg Condon. Um I I see behind me the fabric

078of the community. So many people that voted for you. I think this is a terrible idea. I just learned about it with th this this morning. I didn't think I was going to come up and speak, but I am speaking. So, uh, I think it's I think it's a bad idea and, um, for many different reasons. Once a private developer builds this and all those units go into an LLC, my whole neighborhood is turned into LLC's. It's like the wild west up in Clear Water. There is no followup with town ordinances. [clears throat] There is complete lack of control. And that's exactly what will happen there. Once things are in LLC's, privately owned, there is no getting them back or or maintaining them or taking care of them. Um, I see first responders behind me,

079the fabric of your community. We voted for you. This is a bad idea and I oppose it. I just learned about an hour ago. As I said, I want to come up and say that. Thank you for hearing me. >> Thank you, Greg. [applause] Danielle, >> welcome Danielle. >> Um, thank you. I'm not good at public speaking. I'll do my best. Um, I live currently at 93 Mal Harbor Road. >> I didn't catch your name, Danielle. >> I'm sorry, Danielle Quackenbush. Thanks, Daniel. >> Um, I live at 93 Harbor Road with my family. I own 176 Three Mile Harbor Road. My family goes back generations in founding this town as well as my husband's. And I also own a local septic company. Um we have 15 plus employees that some of them we house at

080another property and I think this is a horrible idea. I oppose it tremendously. Um, I would love to look into your treatment plant you're looking to establish there because I have to say you said waste doesn't have to go anywhere. I have contracts to remove waste from treatment plants in Sag Harbor. Um, so it does have to go somewhere. There's there's sludge that's developed that has to be carted out often by tractor trailers, 18-wheelers. Um, and that's going to bring in contracts from out of town to remove that waste. And I can tell you that when you're pumping that waste, do you think it smells good? It does not. It has to be removed. And I don't think it's a good idea. You know, we have to fight to park our vehicles on property that

081we own years and years in planning just to be able to park our trucks so that we can operate in this community. And you know, we're going to come in here and develop something with whatever that number was, 79 units. Um, and again, I found out about this, which is why I'm not prepared on Friday. So, it's like I just think this town is supporting money rather than our history and our residents that live here and are trying to survive here. And I think you really need to take this into consideration um to protect this community. And if this goes through, you're not doing that. Thank you. Thank you. [applause] Anyone else? Before I go to the phones, I'll come back to the room. All right. Jason, are there folks on the on the line

082that want to speak? >> Yes, there are. I shall unmute the first caller and >> Yeah. >> Can you give me an idea of how many are on the line? >> We currently have four callers on the line. And caller ending 0108, you're on the air. Can you hear me? >> Yes, I can. [clears throat] >> You're on the air. >> Can you hear me? >> Yes. Loud and clear. Thank you. >> Oh, yes. Thank you. Um, hi. I'm Martin Drew from Springs. Uh, I'm speaking to express my very strong opposition to this proposed affordable housing overlay petition um on this uh land. And uh I I know the speakers have brought up very good points, so I'll bring up mine. Uh the lot has already undergone comprehensive planning efforts, and I believe it's essential

083to respect those decisions made decades ago. Um, AHO districts were removed from areas in spring specifically to address this topic and it was considered not compatible with the surrounding areas in previous comprehensive planning efforts. The proposed development would likely strain our local infrastructure, increased traffic congestion, and after uh an alter the character of the neighborhood as a nonconforming situation. and to speak to non-conforming situations. Take a ride down to Maidstone Park in the summertime and you'll experience all the ingress and egress issues that we're experiencing just by a facility not having uh the parking. So to bring 200 cars to the neighborhood, well, I could at least give the developer credit. He intends to at least park his cars on his own property. But that being said, it's crucial now to prioritize the preserving and

084protecting of our areas of natural beauty and the residential charm and the character and the history of our town. So, as the Niggles family brought up, if these folks are all enjoying tax benefits as agricultural land, I would have to agree with those folks that uh you know, if you're going to speak to something like this, then I would expect the farmers to cash out as well and hope that they uh get their 80 unit apartments, 100 unit apartments on their 10acre site. So, I would say none of it makes any sense. And I know the Niggles family isn't about uh greed and and housing. They're more about these farmers that they are the historical families of our community and our community has a rich history in that respect that we have a responsibility to

085protect it for future generations. So there are better areas suited for this AHO development and like people mentioned the airport location would be one of them. You guys have 600 acres up there to make all the noise and all the congestion you make as a community hub. But it seems that uh nobody goes to these uh these thoughts. So, the property uh needs to be uh here's my one question. Did the realtor broker offer it as a willing seller to the town of East Hampton? Because I'm thinking uh the town of East Hampton when they have a willing seller in front of them, they're anxious to preserve farmland. So, what happened here? So, that would be my question. So, if these people are willing sellers at one point, how come the town didn't purchase it

086through the CPF fund would be my concern. And here are my other concerns about that. The community preservation fund also has a component within it that's supposed to be the key component of the transfer of development rights. So our town doesn't have the central bank nor does it have the sending and receiving areas establishing such a program. So for people and folks like yourselves who are concerned about what's going on, it's crucial to get our politicians to get to work on the sending and receiving aspects of the community preservation fund that speaks to the transfer of development rights. Last I knew, um, we don't have one. So, it's time for the town board to establish that program and identify descending and receiving areas so we can save land that's worthy of preservation and we can

087develop land that can handle it. That way, it would allow the uh investors in our community to focus in the right areas for the uh planning that's already done previous decades ago with our several comprehensive plan uh activities with several different uh runners of that program. and a Christ that's been 30 years that I can remember asking to be involved in small ways with recreation. So no is the answer for me. No should be your answer as the town board. And it's far time you listen to your constituents instead of ignoring them like we have been ignored in Maidstone Park with the destruction of our neighborhood, the loss of character to our area and the safety questions that are now obvious and real because the town officials are not doing their jobs correctly. So, if

088this has just come to light in the last several days for people that live in the area, well, it sounds like secret negotiations have been ongoing for the last three and a half years. time to bring transparency to the forefront. Fix the transfer of development rights program and uh get your map together so that people in our community would know where the sending that's to save the area parts of our town versus the receiving areas which would identify the airport as one of those areas. So, good luck with this and I support the homeowners in the area who say no to this horrendously poor poor program. Thank you. [applause] >> If you could please put the next caller through. >> Absolutely. Hello caller ending 3739. You're on the air. Can you hear me? >> Uh

089check one two. Can you hear me? >> Yes, I can hear you. >> Hey, do me a favor. Could you turn off the TV in the background? I can just hear myself echoing back at me and you know >> Yep. >> All right. Thank you very much. And you are on the air. >> Thank you. Uh hi there. My name is Michael Forest. Thanks for the opportunity to speak. Hope everybody had a good Thanksgiving. I was calling on a different topic, but um with regards to this affordable housing on Three-Mile Harbor, it sounds like a bad idea. I'm against it, so I'll just comment there. Uh, moving on. I know you had um the ADU topic further in the uh in the meeting. I'm not available later, so I'm going to comment now. [clears throat]

090Um, I'm all for making it easier um for more ADUs to be available in this town, and I support the legislation that is being presented. Uh, uh, Amy and I took the time to invest in our home with an ADU this year. uh to help with this affordable housing crisis. Um we really wanted to support the legislation specifically allowing for the primary owner to be allowed to have an ADU and also rent the main part of their house for a summer rental. Um I did not understand that part when I did u the ADU. I would have done it anyway, but it just feels like, you know, forever um locals have used summer rentals to help pay for college and other things to be able to afford to live here. And I don't know why

091we would be penalized um for helping the town with their crisis. um you know, spending the money, going through the time to uh allow somebody to have an affordable place to live and uh not uh have the right to uh to be able to rent um you know, their the other portion of the main portion of the house for uh summer rental. Um, on a on a third topic, since I'm on the call, uh, I'd just like to bring up that I hope you're still doing everything that you can to help the building department uh, with their crisis. You know, 7 months for building permits is really not sustainable for this town. Um, you know, it's uh, it's way too long. There's no way to keep everybody employed waiting 7 months for a building permit.

092Um, I know that you have a new team in place and I'm supportive of them. Anything else that you guys can come up with to assist with getting out of this uh ditch that we're in, whether it be subcontracting with local land planners who know uh the code to help review uh anything to uh you know, think out of the box to uh to help that get place get caught up would be appreciated. Thank you for your time. >> Thank you, Michael. Jason, if you could put the next caller through, please. >> Absolutely. One moment. >> Hello, caller. Ending 0299. You're on the air. >> Yes, thank you. Um, good morning town board. This is Carolyn Logan Gluck calling and I'm speaking for myself this morning. Um, in regard to the proposal for the Hampton's

093Pride Social Area at Wayne Scott Green Rick Delmastro Memorial Park, I want to thank the town board for its continued interest in seeing this project to fruition. It certainly merits [clears throat] it, and I want to commend Tom House for the incredible dedication he has brought to this project. It is true that after Tom's presentation at the Wayne Scott CAC meeting two years ago, the committee unanimously recommended Tom move forward and share the design with the building department and town board. But there was quite some discussion before this vote was taken and concerns were raised about certain aspects of the proposal. Most notably the so-called monument consisting of pink disco ball piled on a base. The proposal before you is largely unchanged since then. So these concerns remain. It should be noted the original design

094for Wayne Scott Green that was generously donated by Edwina Vongal embraced a naturalistic aesthetic. The trees planted since are native. The picnic a modest structure of wood. While the pink mosaic planned for the inside of the dance floor bench is not inappropriate in as much as it would not immediately be visible to park visitors or passers by. The same cannot be said of the monument. I hope that should the town board vote to approve this proposal, allowances could be made to reimagine, modify, or even perhaps move the monument elsewhere. Thank you for your consideration. >> Thank you, Carolyn. Jason, if you could put the next caller through, please. >> Hello. Caller ending 8764. You're on the air. >> Thank Thank you very much. This is David Buddha calling in from the Springs. Uh I was

095away this uh past week. Just got back late yesterday. Uh but I did have a chance to uh see the posted memo uh concerning this matter today that's on the work session agenda. Um first I have to say I I am totally perplexed as to how this matter got so far and how this matter got put before you in a matter that's uh it presently uh has been discussed at such length after such a long period of time. Uh I I read the memo that Mr. Chance prepared. I didn't read it to have a chance to read every single document, but it's my recollection that there were two words that were missing from that >> [clears throat] >> uh memo. And those two words were public hearing. No such zoning change can occur unless and

096until the town board holds a public hearing. This is not a public hearing. In fact, uh uh madam supervisor, uh it was very nice and courteous of you to allow Mr. K uh Kirby to speak for 13 minutes, but this is public comment on a matter for a work session. This is not a public hearing. As I said the other day, uh when some of you do have a public hearing, you certainly should allow people to speak at greater length without restriction um if they have something substantive to contribute to the to the matter. This is not a public hearing. There is no way that you should be dealing with this matter with in such an intensity and and and the suggestion by one of the speakers that someone has put a deadline of a

097of a short period of time to act on this matter is preposterous. Preposterous. It is so substantial. It is so extravagant, so uh enormous a project that would cause tremendous disruption to an area that's zoned A3 and A and A. >> [snorts] >> uh it would tremendously change the character of the of the area. Also, let me echo something that one of the other speakers said. Uh I I've lived here long enough to know that when the proposal to um to to improve what was then known as West Drive North and that became Tanbark Trail. When that proposal came forward to allow the Schneiders to develop their properties, there was absolutely measures taken by the town and promises and assurances made that West Drive would never ever be able to connect to that culde-sac at

098the juncture of Tanbark Drive as the enter of entry to the Schneider developed properties. So, I don't know what what uh some of the the applicant as you called them and his attorney are talking about that simply should not be on the table. Next, the idea that you could possibly have two properties share a septic system and not be required to go through a subdivision process of merger is again preposterous. Um there there are many things that you have to do deal with and the one thing that you also have to deal with before you really have a session like you have scheduled for today is you have to refer the matter to the planning board not a member of the planning department but to the planning board to thoroughly review in public and to

099allow the public to speak as a planning board at the discretion of the chair to discuss this proposed zoning change. This is not something between one attorney and one applicant and the board. This is a matter that has to go through a tremendous process of of vetting, review, and consideration. Now, I only have one second left, so I'll add one thought on another topic, and that is the ADU review. You had a hearing, a public hearing. I spoke. Um, just to respond to something Mr. Fost said, "If you allow an owner of a property who builds an ADU, whether it be attached or detached, if you allow them to also rent and participate in the rental registry, that property is not limited to rental for the summer or for short periods of time, limited periods

100of time or small portion of the year. That property can then be rented for 365 days of the year. And that is a tremendously different concept than what Mr. Fost was trying to suggest that you'd be allowed to that the owner would maintain a principal residence but he would disappear for the summer and then rent it for the summer. That's not what you're allowing in the proposed legislation and my time is way up. So, thank you very much and have a good day. >> Thank you, David. >> Jason, is there anyone else on the line? >> We have one more caller. >> Okay. >> Hello. caller ending 3244. You're on the air. >> Yes. Hi, Martin Drew again. I figured I'd take the opportunity since I waited over an hour to speak. >> Sorry, Martin.

101You've already you've already spoken. [clears throat] Jason, you can disconnect that. >> Thank you. >> Okay. A little levity. Would anyone else like to address the board before we move on to topics? Okay. I don't see a show of hands. Uh Jeannie Corrosa, are you here to talk bids? >> No, I think >> Did she leave? Yeah, I think she did. >> Okay. So, then we're going to move on to the proposed changes to agricultural site plan applications. So, Ian, did you want to introduce this? >> I'm sorry. Here comes Jeanie. Let's do Jeie. >> Yes. ice best interest to do it that way. >> Genie, you're up. Thank you for your >> Hi, good afternoon. >> Good afternoon. >> Okay, I have a few bids, rejections, extensions. Um, the first bid is to accept

102the Canwell Court subdivision lot clearing. Ken Mousell is the apparent low bidder in the amount of $149,370. >> Just Genie, excuse me. >> Sure. [snorts] >> Kirby, we're we're if you want to speak to someone, you can go outside the meeting room. Thank you. Sorry, Genie. >> Okay, that's all right. Um, next is the Justice Court interior painting. Roel Painters is the apparent low bidder in the amount of $87,360. >> [clears throat] >> The next bid is the Maidstone playground installation. Ken Mousell is the apparent low bidder for that in the amount of $94,519. Rejection of the sanitation scale improvements. Um that project came in way over budget. Um next is the extension of the annual generator contract. Commander Power Systems agreed to extend. And the other extension is for the transportation and disposal of

103non-recyclable waste, used tires and CN D debris. Winter Brothers hauling of Long Island is the apparent little bit is the agreed to extend. And lastly, I have two notices. One for the replacement of the reels at the East Hampton Airport. Reels are the runway and identification lights and then food service and kitchen wear items. And that's it. Great questions for Jeannie. >> No, I'm good. Thank you. >> Okay. So, now we're going to move on to the proposed changes to the agricultural site plan applications. >> Yeah. Thank you, Kathy. And just introduce this. Um I I know this concept has been been discussed for for a long time by the A committee. Um and just to clarify what we're doing here today, there's a lot of talk about process and when the public becomes aware.

104I've mentioned this concept you know throughout the last couple of years um in my leazison reports uh you know members of the public have attended a committee meetings uh there is no concrete proposal on the table today um there's no code changes proposed um I wanted to bring this to a full public discussion so that everybody's fully aware of of the idea um and if there's board support and public support we'll move forward on on actual specific code changes obviously the details are what's going to be very very important here Um, but as we heard in the in the the public portion, people are often worried about when things are they're made aware of of ideas that are being talked about. I don't think this idea is a mystery. It's been discussed at at several

105CAC's. Um, and so anyway, it's a preliminary step. We welcome all public comments. Uh, I want to thank the ad committee for their work and also the planning department, Tina Loggeran and Chris Decker. Um, I think their memo was fantastic and this is a really good foundation for hopefully a productive conversation. Thank you, Ian. So, Tina, are you who's leading us off here? Is Amanda and Alex, are you okay? Welcome, Amanda and Alex. You guys want to introduce yourselves? That would >> Yes, absolutely. My name is Amanda Mero and I am the secretary of the East Hampton Agricultural Advisory Committee. I'm also the co-founder and director at Amber Waves Farm in Amagancet. >> I'm Alex Bolson, a chair of the ad committee and co-owner of Balsam Farms with >> Great. Okay. Thanks for having us

106today. We're excited to be talking to you uh about this um about this process. You last heard from us this spring. We came before you for the first our first annual state of agriculture presentation and we mentioned at that meeting that we'd be back to present some issues as related to agricultural site plan. Um so we um because there [laughter] is no agricultural site plan actually which is really what we're here to we're here to talk about. So um our our farms really can't operate productively without barns to store supplies and protect our investments in machinery. We need structures to clean and sort and package products, refrigeration to keep what we grow fresh. Farm workers require clean facilities. Farm animals need shelter. Plants need green houses to get their start. And as we face um

107continuing and intensified challenges associated with climate change, um there's more protected growing that we anticipate needing in order to be viable. So what we wanted to bring forth is our specific pinch points as they relate to relate to site plan and agriculture um and some of our suggestions for how they might be remedied. We're we're not lawyers. Well, actually Alex is is lawyer. [laughter] But the intention here um as has been recommended to us by our um our current leaison Ian um and liaison um that we've had before Ian is to just come up with the pinch points what would our suggestions be bring those forth to the town board um and to planning and to the building department and and see what the appropriate code changes might be. So that's really where we are

108in this in this step. So we spent um quite a long time developing this preliminary draft. Um, it has since been sent to to planning. Um, they've made comments. We're gonna hear from Tina after this. So, Alex and I will spend 10 minutes or less going through uh the high points of the proposal and we're excited to go through the next, you know, the next process of of how we might remedy some of these challenges within the the agricultural industry. So, um, first and foremost, the the challenge associated with um agricultural site plan is that there is no agricultural site plan. um our any site plan approval process to construct anything currently has to go through either the residential or commercial process. [gasps] This can be challenging for us because many of us farm on

109development rights land, you know, uh land that has that's fully that's um that's encumbered with easements that restrict the construction of residential and commercial structures. only agricultural structures are permitted, but there's no pathway within the current site plan process to actually do an agricultural site plan. So, we get lumped in with either res either through the residential application or the um or the commercial application, neither of which is entirely appropriate for agriculture. So, first and foremost, what we'd like to do is just introduce a third category. Um, which I think may be an administrative change, a third category to just kind of split down the middle between between residential and commercial. Um currently we often most of us pursue applications through the commercial channel and many of the structures that we're constructing are so um

110insignificant that actually the permitting process ends up being more expensive than the cost of the structure itself. We're talking about green houses that cost $1,500 $2,500 to construct. Um and you know this the square footage fee structure associated with commercial structures is obviously you know is greater than than what that would be. Um so we um sorry excuse me let me just find my place. Um so we've come up with a handful of suggestions of of what we think is the best way forward. I'm going to go through kind of the highle version of those and then Alex is going to go a little bit deeper into different categories of of structures. So the first that I outlined is create an agricultural. So I we may need to take this. Do >> you know when

111you need to run the actual presentation here? Are you going through the first couple pages for your >> Oh no, we're just we're just speaking. >> Okay. So that can come down then, Chelsea. Thank you. >> Okay. So first and foremost, we're requesting there to be an agricultural category. So, it's very clear to the planning department and the planning board that this is an agricultural project, neither residential nor commercial. So, that that's first and foremost. Um, let me go through kind of our six highline requests. Then, Alex is going to get a little bit more specific. Um, we're looking for site plan exemption for a structures of 600 square feet or less, which currently exists within um residential building codes. So, if you're a homeowner and you want to put up a shed that's 300

112square feet, you go to the building department, you get a building permit, and you're done. uh within agricultural well in within where we currently stand that site plan is is triggered at 200 square feet. So what we'd like to do is just have the 600 foot threshold that already applies to residential structures be applied to agricultural structures as well. [clears throat] Um we'd like to codify that season extending covers are not structures. So many of us rely on fabric row covers, netting film supported by trellising that's anywhere from knee to shoulder height. And we just want to clarify that these structures I wouldn't I wouldn't even call them structures. They're just really growing aids that go on that go up for a few days, weeks, months at a time and come down are just are

113not at all structures but are just growing equipment that that moves around the farm. um the specific how it does relate to code and what Alex is going to talk more specifically about is is code changes as they relate to temporary agricultural structures and permanent agricultural structures. So the definitions currently of of the sorts of buildings um and beyond buildings just growing aids that we use just aren't identified in in town code. And so we'd like to clear that up by identifying the different sorts of tools that we use so that we can all be speaking in the same language and talking about the same thing uh when we are going through the approval process and that will that's what Alex will um will expand upon. Uh next is an altered fee schedule as it

114assoc as it's associated with temporary um and lesser in intensive [snorts] farm structures. So the I mentioned earlier that you know the fee structure associated with putting up a plastic greenhouse that costs $1,500. The fee structure may you know may be that the that approval process costs $2,500 more than the cost of the of the the hoop house itself. So um again that's it's an area in which we are kind of leave it to the experts to figure out a fairer way to go about the fee structure but just to make it feel as though it's associated with the intensity of the of the proposal. Um and then finally we're requesting um lot coverage of 15% up from 10% um as it relates to temporary structures. So, increasing our ability to do um to put

115up temporary non-foundation growing cover that would extend our seasons. I think as we, you know, Alex has been farming here for longer than I have, but even in the 18 years that I've been farming here, I think we're we're experiencing weather extremes, um, well, in the season and in the height of the season, but also in the spring and the fall as it relates to, um, frost dates, um, extreme weather, extreme rain events. Um, and having protected growing cover is something that's going to be important as we go forward with making sure that we can continue to farm viably in the town. And and we see our um neighbors in, you know, in other towns and in other areas of the country leaning heavily on these sorts of these sorts of season extension tools to

116be able to to remain viable. So I'll turn it over to Alex who's going to talk a little bit more specifically about the different sorts of structures we're talking about. >> So under our proposal, you know, again, we're establishing an A site plan category, separate category, but within that category, you know, a structures vary a lot from the the very basic inexpensive but incredibly helpful structures that Amanda is talking about to, you know, riding and things like that, right? So, so we've proposed to break this down into three categories. One being like what we're just calling a full-scale farm structure. This these are structures that are open to the public. Uh would conduct commerce. Um you know, nursery sales, writingmies, things like that. Um septic would likely be present. There's parking on site. We basically

117what here for these for these types of um of a improvements, we're saying just keep what we've got, right? We think the fee structure is appropriate, the review process is appropriate. Um and and we don't have much to say about that. Um but our next level, our mid level would sort of called permanent structures. These are things with concrete or asphalt, you know, with with a with a real floor and a foundation. Um think of like a traditional barn for storage and things like that. um might contain contain septic um as you know for farm worker and produce handling safety and things like that. Um but generally we'd say these we we feel these structures shouldn't require screening. Um the fee structure should we feel should be altered. In our own experience going through our

118you know our own barn build quite a number of years ago now but it was the the the fee was quite burdensome um to us. I think a again these aren't high intense use structures. I think the fee structure should be should be changed to make it a little more appropriate for for what we're what would be uh constructed there. Um and then the the the last category would be um would be the temporary farm structure. Now the code has a good definition of temporary of of a temporary greenhouse in there and that's basically what we're talking about. you know, uh, a non-ontiguous foundation or no foundation at all. Um, poly or plastic coverings, metal, wooden poles, plastic poles, um, as support. These can be removed, uh, taken down, relocated fairly easily without without professional

119help. Um, these these structures are really important to where agriculture is heading. You know, what agriculture's become in our town and where it's headed. Um, again, they're not expensive to build. They're not they're not they don't take a lot of time to build, but the approval process sure is expensive as it currently stands and um and and [clears throat] takes a lot of time. Um, this might be an area where, you know, surveys, I'll say this, like we've had quotes for whole field surveys ranging from 7500 to $28,000. Like that's not sustainable for the for the farmers out here. Um maybe some a more reasonable approach would be to either be able to use an existing survey if it has the relevant information on it or to do partial surveys where you're just looking at

120the development area because what you're looking at you're looking at compliance with setbacks, compliance with coverage. After that, like you don't we would we would, you know, say that we don't really need to spend those tens of thousands of dollars on those surveys to put up a $2,500, you know, mostly temporary structure. um these these types of approvals shouldn't require any professional assistance. Um no formal plans. I mean I think if we came up and you know to the planning board again we're not sidest stepping the planning or the approval process but any we were just trying to make it more reasonable to what we're trying to to construct here and say look this is this is the structure we're going to buy. Here's what it looks like. You know again no no formal um

121or professional assistance. Um, and lastly I'd say about this is the committee feels that this is probably something that that we would say should be removed from ARB review just because there's nothing like these don't come in different colors. There's nothing architecturally to review and approve here, you know. Um, and and I I I think that that's another step that an expense that we could probably um do away with for these types of structures. So that is where we landed of, you know, as Ian said, this is sort of our our presentation to the public of of our pinch points and some of our proposed solutions and we hope it starts a bigger community discussion and we can we can get some changes in particular with this last category that we're talking about. And these

122are really important a structures to growing vegetables and and nursery and and even animal husbandry. And we need a better path forward because right now it is a the approval process is a hindrance for these things. And as we're all trying to make agriculture successful out here, we're going to we're going to need some of some of this some of this help. >> Thank you. >> Great. Thank you. Do board members have questions for Amanda or Alex or do you want to have Tina? >> Tina. >> Okay. You want Tina? Do you want to present and then we can go to discussion? >> Thank you. Um, greetings board members. Thanks Amanda and Alex. That was a really good overview of what the ad committee's been talking about with the planning department. Um I'm here to

123talk about the context for why I think the recommendations for the egg committee do deserve um more attention and next steps from the town. Uh the planning department has been in several committee meetings with the egg committee and at a high level I think their proposed comment of their uh proposed recommendations make good sense and would help us better address agricultural land use within the town. I'm going to explain um why that is and I'll talk about the planning department's initial feedback on their proposals and what I think the next steps can be. A strong reason to support this effort is because it's consistent with the comprehensive plan of the town, right? Which is the guiding policy document for the town. I'm showing brief excerpts from here. Both the visions and the goals of the

124comprehensive plan as it exists specifically indicate the importance of preserving uh preserving agriculture in the town. Even beyond this though, we all know that farming is one of the industries that the town was founded on in the 1600s, right? And that that heritage and history remains important to the character of the town to this day. Um, moving on. In our code, we already have protections um for farming. They're just not really in the site plan section, right? The right to farm portion of the code was adopted in 1982. It acknowledges agriculture as a keystone industry in the town. The code also notes the importance of agriculture in contributing to the ambiance and what makes East Hampton's unique character and as well as helping it be aesthetically attractive. The ad committee was created to help bridge

125the gap between farmers and the town board further supporting the importance of that industry in the town. And then briefly regionally and in the state there are a lot of protections for agriculture. State law protects land and agricultural districts from some types of local regulations. Suffach County works with the state to make sure that those districts are formed appropriately. The town has purchased a lot of land and done a lot to support the preservation of agriculture. Uh we took a cursory look at other codes in the area though and they deemed more permissive towards farming practices than ours. Looking at ours, we regulate um practices quite particularly through the site plan process. [clears throat] So I think that there is room to improve on this. Um so the next steps with all that context, it's

126the planning department. I think there's a way to have greater alignment between those things and at the same time make the code more user friendly. I think it will be more appropriate for planning staff to have a clearer code to address these land uses and will help the farmer make more informed decisions and be able to plan their work appropriately. Um myself and Chris Decker have been through the proposal detail and I'll provide my initial feedback um at a very high level. The general theme of our comments is that while the recommendations are appropriate, they do need further discussion to work out the details. Right there, as Ian mentioned, there's no code developed. These are right now ideas, policy recommendations, and we need to have more attention on them to develop them enough to um

127[clears throat] so I'm going to go through the recommendations quickly just to give my high level. the first. >> Can you give us one second, please? We have an issue with the >> with the program. Thank you. >> Issue with the network network break. >> Of course we do. It's not snow. They're getting snow up state. Okay. Okay. [clears throat] All right, we are ready to go. Sorry about that. Okay, great. All right, Tina, you're back up. Thank you. >> Thank you. Um, so I was going to go through the six recommendations quickly. The first recommendation to create an agricultural category within the site plan application. I strongly agree with this concept. I do think our regulating agricultural site improvements that are so closely linked to a farm's ability to operate as cumbersome. our process

128is not adept enough to look at seasonal changes and configurations. Um, if we established parameters for reviewing farm operations that balance their needs with the surrounding communities, I think that would be a really good place to be. We'd have to be careful that we make sure that we apply this type of review to only uses that qualify. So, I think looking at the definition of agricultural uses in our code is going to be important. make sure that we target these changes to the folks who really need and will benefit from them. The second recommendation is requesting a site plan exemption for egg structures 600 square feet or less. As um Amanda mentioned, there is already an exception for agricultural buildings that are 200 square ft or less in residential zones. Extending this to buildings that

129are larger would make sense, especially if it's not going to intensify the use to any great extent. So we would want to just make sure we understand that aspect because we do want to be mindful of impacts to surrounding uses. And of course we want to think about making sure setbacks are adhered to as well as making sure that agricultural easement restrictions could still be um adhered to and honored in any changes that are made to the sites. The third recommendation is to codify that temporary season extending covers are not structures. Um, regarding this, I think it'd be helpful um, in future discussions if the egg committee really defines what exactly they want to make sure is exempt. In our code, structures that are regulated by site plan review do include temporary structures. So, having

130a very clear distinction between what is said here and what would still remain regulated, I think, is very important. Defining a period of time that qualifies as temporary might also be something we want to think about. that has been a source of um ambiguity in code interpretations of the past. Next is implementing code changes that allows for easier and faster approvals for temporary a structures and permanent structures. That operational flexibility I think we need to considerate the constraints. Um however this recommendation we want to make sure is balanced right right with the need to protect surrounding uses and some of the recommendations of the committee like the one regarding um not having survey as part of the application really go into like our application requirements and at our level of detail that needs careful consideration

131site plans always require surveys. So it'd be a very big departure from the way we currently review projects. I'm not saying that it's not possible. It just it would be a very big change if if we went down that route in my mind. Recommendation five is an altered fee uh schedule. If we reduce the items that need site plan uh while maintaining controls through the building permit process that achieve safety and neighborhood protections, that'd be a great start for reducing the fees both um that the town and the farmers have to right save both of us town time and money. We already have an altered fee schedule for affordable housing projects, so there's precedent for relieving certain uses in the code. Um, however, any application that does get submitted to us, our staff does devote

132a lot of time and energy to those efforts and we have to review each application as carefully as the next. And I don't think our fees even capture all our costs. So, I don't think that they're excessive. Um, but I can see how they do add up, especially where large land areas are being altered or changed in any way. Um, it's noteworthy also that we don't really see that receive that many site plan applications for farmland currently. The last recommendation is the change in coverage from 15% um to increase it to 15%. The current uh restriction for agricultural properties is 10% of coverage. U this recommendation is linked to the need for increased flexibility and the rationale does seem to support such a change. 10% is pretty restrictive. With climate change requiring greater resiliency across

133so many levels of planning, it does make sense that we really strongly consider what resiliency farmers need, right, to address an uncertain future in that regard. To wrap this up, I'm not going to talk about the detailed process changes. I do think we need more time with that. I think it's going to be helpful for the committee to understand what support the town board has for these types of changes and that we then with that input engage a wider group of stakeholders within the town. So the planning department's the only department that has really fully vetted the proposals thus far. The building department especially has a large role. the town attorney's office would really need to weigh in in order to get a wider collaboration, see um how how to translate these into actionable changes

134in code. Um so once they're a little more fleshed out, there could be additional public comment and um additional public discourse. Thank you. >> Thank you, Tina. questions or I'll just >> Well, I guess I would just I if I if you don't mind if I start. Go ahead. >> Uh and I I won't go into into every detail. Again, I think this is a preliminary conversation to see where where it goes from here, but I do think it's important to note um as Tina did, you know, the town, we're an agricultural town. You know, our comprehensive plan, our code points to that at least partially. You know, obviously we're not fully agricultural anymore completely. We're a lot of different things, but that's an important part of our identity, our heritage. And I think that,

135[snorts] you know, when you look around that, we all would agree that it's an important part of of of who we want to be. Um, our C plan says it, our code says it. Um, and and as Tina said, we created the egg committee to hear directly from them about what they need to continue agriculture. You know, I know firsthand that agriculture is not the easiest way to make a living. And um, we live in a very difficult place to be able to afford as it is. Uh, you know, and farmers are certainly experiencing those challenges just like like many other people. Um, so I think it's important that if we form that committee to hear from them that that we do and that's why I think this preliminary conversation at a full public level

136uh is so important. I also think it's important to acknowledge right off the bat as as Tina and Chris did throughout the planning department memo that we have to balance you know the agricultural needs and uh with other town goals as well. It's not this can't be, you know, totally one-sided, but at the same time, if we want to be an agricultural committee, we have to also give, you know, farms the tools they need to be successful. As Tina pointed out, uh, you know, briefly, there are really strong New York State egg and markets law that protect agriculture and egg districts. Um, there are other municipalities that are very close to us that have much more, uh, agricultural, you know, friendly terms. And on the egg committee, there's people who operate in those communities and

137have experienced that firsthand. So I think that we should all at least acknowledge those realities wherever we go from here. Um the most important part of this conversation I think is to establish an a site plan. Um agriculture is not commercial and it's not retail. It's a different you know by state law by the way we treat it in you know in the comp plan we treat it as something different and and we have to explicitly do so I think in the site plan process. It's not fair for us to ask the planning department to put a square peg in a round hole. You know, on the few occasions where farmers come before the site plan process, uh the planning department, you know, they don't create policy or code. You know, they've got to work

138with what we give them. And frankly, what we have right now is just insufficient. So, regardless of the details of what egg site plan involves, the idea that we need a category to me is is um is very obvious. Um, I think that the and just to go briefly some through some of the rest of it, I think that the idea of of 600 foot structures or less being in line with what is required of residential properties makes sense. I don't think agriculture should be thought of as more offensive than residential uses based on um, how our code encourages it. I think that Tina brought up some very good points about maybe there's a limit to the total amount of these. You don't want to have a 50 acre parcel with, you know, a hundred

139of these structures without any sort of review. So, needs to be some some more careful look. Um, I think temporary green houses, you know, those are often very large structures or, you know, relatively for how much ground they cover up, but it's not the same as a, you know, a shopping mall or a restaurant. And so, I think that, you know, applying commercial standards to those structures is something we should look at. Um, I think that the committee did a good job of recognizing that permanent structures, you know, with with with permanent foundations and septics and especially ones that are open to the public should have different standards. Uh, I think we would have to look at what each, you know, what set of standards apply to each of those situations. I also think the

140idea of surveys, uh, you know, Tina expressed some hesitancy, which I I fully appreciate, you know, from a planning standpoint. You don't want to throw out the idea of needing to know where things go and make sure that setbacks and coverage that all of those um you know concerns are are addressed. At the same time, if you're you know developing a half of an acre on a 50 acre lot, do you need to survey the whole lot or or could you just isolate you know that one section when it's very apparent that they're not up against coverage restrictions or anything else? And I think the answer to that is yes, but you have to do it with care to make sure that all the protections that surveys you know offer protections and accuracy of of

141site plans that those um you know still are upheld. Um I think you know as Tina mentioned we really do have to talk to other departments about this. Um I frankly it was I wanted to bring this to the to the public and to the board at this stage because I respect that that that you know staff time. Uh Tina and Chris put a ton of time into this not only in their memo but in attending meetings regularly but if we don't have the board will or you know community support um I don't want to bog down the building department or the legal department the attorney's office who have a lot of other things to do uh and also in the interest of process and transparency which has already come up at this meeting you

142know what's the appropriate p stage to bring this forward um frankly I've already been you know sort of um accused of doing this in secrecy and so it's a very fine line. Um, and at the same time, there's people saying that that this doesn't it's not fully baked, which it's definitely not. And so, I don't know the right answer to to exactly when to bring something forward, but it seems appropriate once we have a concept that we want to dive deeper in on to talk to the board to make sure we have support before we bog down all those other departments. There is no decision that can be made today or this week or this month about any of the, you know, the concepts proposed here. just a a way for us to decide whether

143to move forward and and frankly I think it's a long time coming. Uh the last thing I will say is that I think that it's very important as supportive as I am um in concept to support farms and to make sure that we can you know retain our agricultural community. I think it's really important that we protect against abuse um as we've seen with so many uses in the town. It's it's it's you know we can talk um you know in an idealistic way about what we want to see but if the if the code itself isn't written so that we allow for the things that we want to allow for and protect against the abuses we're going to have problems. You know if we have people developing properties in a way that um you

144know our code allows for but aren't true agricultural uses that would be a problem. And so I just want to acknowledge the importance of sort of uh the enforcement um and the details of it all. So with that, um, I'll turn it over to the rest of the board. >> I I'd like to make a suggestion. So I mean, we have quite a few more topics left that are going to, you know, have robust discussion. Are the Could we do it this way? Is the board generally supportive? Tina made a statement up front at at a high level these recommendations make sense. Does the board support that? And maybe we bring this back to the 1216 work session where we really get into the details. >> I support that. Um yeah, I I support bring

145it back on the 16th. >> I support uh both concepts looking at this at a high level as we are right now and bringing it back. >> Yeah, I mean my my only concern and comment on it would be that like look I think the town comprehensive plan goals that they do support agriculture but it's also the rural character and and agriculture changes over time. I mean historically it was harvesting firewood. I mean that was considered agriculture today less so and where agriculture is going in the future will change dramatically. you know, you you can go to locations where you see very intensive farming um with entire fields covered by greenhouse structures that are temporary in nature, but aesthetically, you know, are problematic. So, I I do think this needs kind of some more digging

146into. Um I appreciate what you've brought forward. I think, look, the goal is on us to be nimble to support our farmers. It's a critical industry out here beyond just the aesthetic aspect of farming taking place. It supports many industries. But I I think we need to look at this, you know, in full respect. So for myself, I I want to thank Ian and specifically I want to thank also the agriculture advisory committee. I think they did a very good presentation particularly at the state of agriculture early spring in setting this up and that was one of the first discussions. There's many here. I think there there are very much reasonable requests and requests I would support uh with a little bit more uh definition of them. And I think that's what we're stating and

147that's what Tina you stated. What's next? I don't have many red flags on here but I would like to see some more firm language put in there. As you mentioned, I used goal six last night in my M talk CAC meeting about fisheries in Montalk and Alands and how the town is clawing back at some of our agrarian roots right now by trying to pull back at least three farms and you know farmsteads in East Hampton recently. Uh it's something that I completely support and I think what the what you just presented and how you stated it, it is a long time coming right now and again how how the code reads right now it is you know a square peg and a round hole. there should be a site plan specifically for the egg

148use is a long time coming. So understanding about the uh the respect of individuals that might be here more for a different topic. I don't mind pushing that forward but I also don't like want to delay most so we can make sure we're on that meeting and have a greater discussion. This is something that I would like to talk about and something that honestly I just I support. >> Yeah. and maybe Jake at that meeting. I don't know who you're going to assign to, you know, what attorney. Have that attorney at that meeting as well. So that who will be, you know, helping draft the code. Okay. So, let's switch gears and and move on to our third topic, which is the 152 3M Harbor affordable housing overlay petition for change of zone. So, uh,

149if we could let Eric into the meeting, Jason, please. >> I'm here. >> Okay. hear your voice. I don't see you. >> Sorry. >> Welcome. >> Thank you. Um I'm going to give an overview of um the key issues here in the report uh prepared by the planning department. I'm also going to start by um sharing on the screen um an aerial photograph of the property. Um I apologize GIS um actually just went down. I had that where I could scroll in and out. Um but also to avoid confusion and keep the conversation on track at the start. Um I'll start with a simple explanation of the project and what the board is being asked to consider. Uh the town board is not being asked to approve anything today and as I'll explain later, the

150board can't until after a public hearing and full environmental review of the project by multiple boards. Um we are here because this resoning request is a discretionary action of the town board. So this initial step is just to present the petition that was presented to the town for consideration. Uh this work session is also for the board to get an overview of the project and discuss if it is willing to move forward with a zone change and code change to facilitate this model of affordable housing. Uh the proposal is essentially to reszone two parcels and to construct an affordable housing development over both parcels. In order to effectuate this, the following town board uh approvals or actions would be needed. again, not today, but eventually. Um, one, the town board would need to approve a

151zone change on the parcels to add the affordable housing overlay district designation. Two, the town board would need to adopt a code change in order to contemplate the model of affordable housing development being offered by the applicants and to remedy any potential ambiguity in the definition of an affordable housing unit as it currently exists in the code. And then three, the town board would need to conduct an environmental review under SRA as lead agency and ultimately, excuse me, ultimately render a determination of significance. Um, additionally, and separate from the town board, the planning board would need to approve a site plan special permit application. ARB approval would be required and possible ECBA approval if a variance is needed. Um, what I want to do is just quickly stop sharing and switch over to the site

152plan, preliminary site plan that was submitted for the application. Just give me one second to do that. There we go. Should be able to see it in a second. So currently the project is designed as one site that combines the roughly 3.7 acres of 152 3mile Harbor Road with the roughly 3.1 acres of 33 West Drive into one site of 79 units combined. A total of 46 two-bedroom units and 33bedroom units are proposed. All units are proposed as two-story duplexes with the two-bedroom units being 402 ft on on each floor or 804 ft and the three-bedroom units being 600 ft² on each floor or 1,200 ft² total. Uh central centrallylo sewage treatment plant which would be partially located on each lot is proposed. Access is proposed via driveway with ingress and egress at both 3M

153Harbor Road and West Drive. to recreation areas, parking, lighting, landscaping, and other improvements will also be included in the proposed project. Um, whereas all of the existing affordable housing developments approved in East Hampton have been either town sponsored projects or rental developments with a central authority in the form of a housing agency. The proposed project instead deviates from this as a condominium complex with individual units proposed to be owned by different private entities and the tenants being renters. It is envisioned that unit owners will be local businesses and that tenants will be members of the local workforce and the employees of the unit owners. It is proposed and required under the special permit standards that all housing units created be for moderate income families which means up to 130% of area median income and that

154they meet the definition of an affordable housing unit as defined in the code. Individual units are proposed to be sold by the developer at market rate to prospective unit owners with a requirement to rent out the unit to a qualifying household with a compliant rental price. Um 33 West Drive is presently vacant. 1523M Harbor Road contains a single family residence. Um although this home predates zoning um and is historic in the colloquial sense, it has not been designated um as being of historic significance. surrounding properties are predominantly residential property with a mix of uses present across West Drive. So, getting into uh issues related to the state environmental quality review act or SRA. Um the proposed project which includes both a resoning application and a site plan special permit application for an affordable housing development

155is an unlisted action under SECRA and chapter 128 of the town code. The applicants have submitted an EAF part one which has been reviewed by the planning department dee and deemed complete and unacceptable. The planning department recommends that the town board declare lead agency status for this action pursuant to SRCA. For the purposes of this application, the SRA review must consider the entire action as the reasonzoning and subsequent redevelopment of the site. The planning department and the town attorney's office have collaborated to discuss a general process through which a comprehensive environmental assessment can be conducted which includes the town board initially considering whether the site may be suitable for an AHO consideration of a code change and then referral to the planning board for a detailed special permit and site plan review. referral to the

156ZBA for relief as necessary um may not be necessary followed by a final review by the town board that considers the potential for environment environmental impacts from the entire action and the issuance of a decision on the resoning. Um so we flagged some legal requirements. Um, as we just mentioned, this is a new model for ownership of an affordable housing development. Um, in comparison to those that came before, uh, the majority of affordable housing developments in the town have been established where the developer was a certified housing agency, for example, the housing authority windmill that continues to manage the project um, which consists entirely of rental units through the life of the facility. In [snorts] such cases, it has been necessary for the developers to seek funding assistance particularly from um New York State Homes

157and Community Renewal, HCR, um which provides a layer of oversight and regulatory safeguards. Although although this project does not involve town or uh HCR funding, the planning department believes it is important to ensure that protections similar to the ones they provide are built into the town's permitting and monitoring process. The town code does not specifically anticipate the employerowned housing concept. So it will be important to establish a clear policy and administrative structure to ensure ongoing compliance with the special permit uh standards and the affordable nature of the development. Additionally, although East Hampton does have one affordable housing development that is a condominium complex, these units are owner occupied, also different from the ownership model for the proposed project. Accordingly, St. uh town staff has come up with several questions for the applicant related to ensuring

158that it meets all of the programmatic requirements of the town code. These were sent to the applicants in a letter. Um we received a a formal response uh just yesterday I believe. These include matters to operations, tenant eligibility, leases, enforcement, management structure and other pertinent aspects uh for the proposed facility. The applicant requested to uh to meet with the planning department to go through the questions. However, the meeting um could not be scheduled before this session due to timing constraints. Uh the planning department will continue to work with the applicants to obtain more details on the proposed ownership and management as aspects of the facility. Um also for the board's consideration is that this would require a code change. Um the applicant's proposed model differs uh from standard affordable housing development in that units would

159be uh would first be sold at market rate to business owners who would then rent the units at affordable housing rates. In a traditional affordable housing scenario, units are are sold or rented directly to the wouldbe tenants at prices consistent with the town's established affordability limits. As this ownership model is not currently contemplated by the code to avoid I should say as this ownership model is not currently contemplated by the code to avoid any ambiguity the code should be amended to reflect the permissibility of this ownership model if the board wishes to move forward. It is possible that additional regulatory controls may also be advisable based on the new model. Um, so getting into um consistency with the comprehensive plan and [clears throat] a reasonzoning to add the AHO, uh, the the 2005 comprehensive plan

160recommends that the town retain the affordable housing overlay zoning designation as a mechanism within the town code, seek to zone additional areas that meet the eligible eligibility criteria accordingly, and consider allowing additional land to be reszoned AHO upon application of a prospective developer. The 2005 comprehensive plan cites the following criteria for consideration when the board is going to designate a property with the AHO and I'll go through them um a few of them fairly quickly. Public water is available on site. Yes, it is. Uh the site is reasonably convenient to public transportation. It's located on a county roadway. Uh the site is not within a flood uh hazard area. It is not. Um the size and shape of the site is reasonably suited to the proposed development. Although [clears throat] scale is something that will

161be considered at the planning board level, the size is uh the lot is basically rectangular in shape and has adequate lot area for the number of units proposed under the code. Um development of the site is reasonably compatible with the surrounding use um uses I should say. Uh the parcel is situated in an area that is predominantly residential but which contains a mix of uses including commercial, industrial and agricultural uses nearby. Uh most notably Round Swamp Farm in the north and industrial uses along Springs Fireplace Road, Washington Avenue and West Drive to the east. Access is present at both the front and the rear of the site providing the options uh to direct traffic to the more industrial West Drive or the major arterial road of 3M Harbor uh road to the west. As noted

162uh in the report, the site is large at 6.7 acres. This provides ample space for affordable for an affordable housing development that also allows for adequate screening and buffers. The planning department recommends that both the size of the site and the access to two roadways make it a favorable location for the AHO overlay. Uh the planning department notes that both the scale um of the development and the particulars of site design are commonly key determinants of impacts on surrounding properties. The details of these will need uh to be determined through the site plan process. However, if the town board has comments regarding elements of the ultimate site plan that they uh would like to see that are not currently included, they should provide those comments to the applicant at this time. For [snorts] example, the

163planning department recommends that the site plan accommodate ample screening as well as maximize areas devoted to open space on the site so that those areas may both beautify the location and contribute to the quality of life for future residents of the site and recommend this to the planning board during their review. Um the planning department um ultimately the planning department recommends that these lots are consistent with the criteria set forth in the 2005 comprehensive plan [snorts] and are therefore suitable locations for the addition of the AHO uh designation. Um with regard to a planning and zoning analysis, these are possibly more issues for the planning board, but I just want to go through these quickly and then I'll conclude. Um planning department reviewed the proposed action and the submitted plans. Um we offer the following

164comments. Um so first the maximum number of any units on one site is 60. Um it appears that the project has been developed or designed as one site of 79 units whereas the maximum permitted density on any one site is 60. However, the town code is not clear on what constitutes a site in quotes. Um the planning department notes the submitted design includes shared access and sewage treatment and appears to have been designed as one site. the issue may result in a variance being required or the need for a determination from the building inspector. And then just briefly, as far as dimensional regulations go, setbacks, coverage, things of that nature, um this plan that you see in front of you, uh does appear consistent with that. Um architectural elements, the applicants did submit some some

165renderings, although they didn't submit full renderings and elevations. Um but we note that the ARB approval will be needed for the project ultimately. Um, [snorts] the applicant submitted an economic impact study, um, as it's phrased in the code. The specific special permit standards for affordable housing developments establish the maximum housing unit unit density permitted as 8 units per acre unless a special permit authorizing up to 12 units per acre is granted by the planning board. As an added condition, in these situations, the applicants must submit an economic analysis, which focuses on the economic impact of the development on the school district in which it is located. Um the applicants provided an economic impact study. We note just briefly um that their findings in it are that the 79 unit development would likely result in an

166addition a maximum addition of 80 students in East Hampton schools. The the this additional enrollment will be offset by the enrollment trends identified by the applicant that indicates enrollment in East Hampton schools has been and is anticipated to continue to decrease. Um and uh an estimated uh annual tax revenue generated is uh just over well just about $72,000. Um as with the economic impact study, a traffic study is an additional requirement under these specific special permit standards if the planning board is going to permit over eight units per acre of density. The applicant submitted a traffic study prepared by IMEG, formerly Cameron Cameron Engineering, um which studied uh among other things potential delays for through traffic uh and um delays at the two proposed site access point as well as the intersections of 3M Harbor

167Road and Morris Park Lane to the south and Tanark Trail and Springs Fireplace Road to the east. Um the planning I won't go into specifics. The planning department has identified some aspects of the traffic study that require a revision. However, based on the information submitted to date, including the existing roadway conditions and the magnitude of the proposed development, traffic conditions in the area not anticipated to result in the site being unsuitable for the placement of an AHO zone. So, in conclusion, um, sort of summary comments here. The planning department finds that the two lots represent an appropriate site um, for a reasonzoning to add the AHO designation. The site meets the criteria listed in the 2005 comprehensive plan and an affordable housing development on this site appears consistent with the purposes of of establishing the

168AHO. Also, preliminary review of the site plan finds that a development of the magnitude allowed under the AHO could be accommodated and that detailed review will further refine the details of the site development to maximize its compatibility with the existing character of the area. The planning department recommends that the town board discuss whether it agrees that the site is suitable for the AHO resoning. However, additional information and further discussion with the applicants um with regard to the nature of administration and ownership is needed at this time before a specific code change can be considered. The planning department intends to meet with the applicants in regard to this aspect of the proposed project. Once the town board has considered a specific uh code change to enable the proposed project, the project should be reviewed by the

169planning board. >> Okay. Thank you, Eric. Does anyone have comments for questions for Eric before we start comment? >> Yeah, one of my concerns is about the Suffach County Health Department approval and as far as the sew treatment plant, how it would be then taking project for one parcel for two parcels but acting as the project right now is coming at 79 units. 79 units is based on if it was for two parcels, but the treatment plant would be for two parcels acting as one parcel then to based on the sighting. How would that not be a type of sewer district potentially? >> It could be. Um I don't know that the health department would require that. Um the only reason why I think they might do that is because of the condominium model proposed.

170you have individual pieces of real property and they might want that to be through a sewer district. Um I do know that other um less number of units but comparable in a general sense affordable housing developments um have used uh sewage treatment and they haven't been required to do a sewer district. But it's a good point and something that you know when this progresses um to the planning board uh would need to be addressed. Thank you. >> Ian, do you want to start us off since you're the liaison? >> Yeah. Yeah. And um first of all, thanks everyone for being here. I think it's great to have meetings when the public is is, you know, in full participation. I think it's good to see uh and I just want to start by talking about the

171process. You know, I've spoken about this before, you know, already today. It it's very difficult to know when to bring something forward. Uh agendas are always posted on Friday, so word obviously got out that this was in discussions. Um, you know, there's a private developer who has a proposal, asks us for a zone change. Uh, I think the appropriate place to discuss this publicly is at a work session. There's there's no more public forum than this. Uh, and I think, you know, Supervisor uh, Bur Gonzalez has really been um very strict about making sure our agendas are posted, information gets out there. And so, I I think this process is is fair um, and transparent. There's no vote that's going to happen today um that this is approved or not approved. And the ask of

172this board is fairly narrow. It's whether there should be a a zone change. The AHO, you know, applied to this this parcel. We're not approving the whole project. We couldn't. This is a you know, the project, the scale, the design, that's a planning board issue. Uh as a caller pointed out, um I do want to say that that that the need here for affordable housing. Uh I just want to, you know, say it right [clears throat] off the bat, we have a need. um whether this is an appropriate location or this is a perfect design or a a model um you know to be determined but there is a need out there and no one project is g going to solve the entire need. We've got to look at all sorts of different solutions but

173um the need is dire uh and we're going to have to look at where we can put affordable housing one way or the other. Um many of the speakers today I know and I respect um I'm happy that they're here. I will consider their comments for sure. uh the the farmland to the north of this property. Uh I think it's a real asset to the town of Eastampton. There's there's no question about that. Um I you know there's concerns I think about the the residential streets behind and what a you know extending West Drive what that would mean for for the neighborhood. All these things should be looked at for sure. Um again this is the first time we're talking about it publicly and I think all the comments from the board and the public

174today are going to make this a better process. The two biggest issues for me uh with this proposal um are is the structure. I think the oversight and management is is a really big deal. Um we have a lot of questions from the planning department, from the housing department, uh from the attorney's office. I know there was correspondence that went back and forth, but I think there needs to be, you know, a meeting or several meetings to work out these details. Um and those details would have to be worked out for anything to go forward for sure. And it remains to be seen whether it can be because this is a novel approach. Um I I I don't think I'll just say off the bat, I don't think it would be a fair expectation for

175the town to bear the burden of vetting applicants. I think that you would there would need to be um you know a management company not only who was used to condominium style uh developments but also affordable housing units. A lot of you know public comment were concerned about whether this would be a true affordable housing project or not. Well, the only way anything like this could move forward on this site or any other as far as I'm concerned is if it was 100%, you know, an affordable housing development. And again, I think those details need to be worked out. Uh the size uh 79 units, you know, this again, it's a planning issue, I think, but there's a reason why we have a cap at 60. We don't want massive developments all in one place.

176Um that said, I don't think we would ask them to develop the site in two totally separate, you know, without a connection because that wouldn't make much sense from a planning standpoint. But I think that's a really big issue whether it would require a variance because that [snorts] cap of 60, this board consciously chose to leave the cap of 60 even as we allowed for more density because we don't want, you know, massive developments all in one place. And so that's an issue I think that's going to need to be worked out. uh the employer-based, you know, structure. Uh I think that I know there's a lot of concerns about that, but the idea that somebody is bringing private funds to help address the affordable housing need, I think is a concept that we have

177to be open to whether on this property or another property um it's unique, you know, as we've all it's already been said that that somebody's bringing um this type of proposal, but they're asking for zero public funds. They're asking for a zone change, which is not, you know, nothing, but zero public funds. And I think that that's a a concept again I'm very very open to so long as we can um you know make sure it's a true affordable housing development. Um and and that leads to I think that you know rents in this model would be restricted. Future sales price would be restricted. This is not purely a market rate development as proposed although they're trying to do it you know in a way where they can make some profit. There's a lot of

178affordability standards in this model that I think are a good start but it's only a start. Um, I think that, you know, we've also talked about zoning and the the implication that only one house could be built here now and this would allow for so many more. I mean, look, that's what our zoning in town is going to do. I mean, we've been we've been, you know, hesitant against overdevelopment for a long long time. I'm not saying every every uponing that's ever happened is a good one. But the idea of you just made oneacre lots everywhere would solve our affordability problem. I don't think that's true either. And so I do think we have to allow for one scale of development or density, you know, at market rate and a different one for affordability. I

179think that that's um a concept I support. Um what this really I think to me comes down to is I'm going to I'm going to go a little bit off uh topic and that I think we need to update our housing plan for a comprehensive plan. We have a crisis here. I think our comprehensive plan is a little bit dated and and that the most striking part about our comprehensive plan to me is the the housing issues have just changed. And so, um, I really want to work with the planning department, with the housing department about updating that plan so that we aren't doing this on a case-byase basis where, you know, I think that, you know, opinions are strong on both sides of it. I think we should look at this as a comprehensive

180issue for the whole town, which which it is. Um, you know, again, planning board would have to review this. I don't think I'm not prepared to make a decision. I am supportive and appreciative of of people trying to solve this problem. um I that is brought forward. I think it's a good thing that we're talking about it out loud, but I think there's a lot there's a lot of issues, namely, you know, oversight, management, what the town responsibility is, and the size are the are the biggest things that need to be addressed. And I hope that the planning department will meet with uh with housing attorney uh and the applicant to see. And to the members of the public, uh I certainly hope that this will be addressed again publicly before there's any vote taken.

181I don't think there's any sort of sneakiness going on whatsoever. this is, you know, how government I think is supposed to work and I appreciate the conversation. >> So, um, thanks. Um, because I'm next to you, I'll go next. But I I I just would like a point of clarification. The board's been asked for, uh, a support because it would be up to the board to ch to have a reasonzoning on this property to put an uh, affordable housing overlay on this property. And it was my understanding that that's the discussion that we're having today and whether we support that or not is is because I'm prepared to discuss that now. >> Well, I I was under the impression and correct me if I'm wrong that there are three asks, right? The zone change to

182affordable housing overlay district, the code change and a special permit for up to 12 units. The special permit is the would be the purview of the planning board. But the first two asks are the purview of this town board and the a the zone change to aho and the code change go hand in hand. Right. >> Correct. So that's that's kind of what I focused on and that's what I'll be dealing with in my remarks rather than talking about any aspect of the site plan other to reserve my comments because I believe Eric uh you said in your presentation that if the town board does have concerns about the actual site plan should it go forward that that should be made known before it goes to the planning board. Correct. >> Correct. I don't I

183I think you can defer much of the sort of site planning to the planning board, but you know, if you have if you look at this plan and see something that's evident that should be changed. Um it's helpful to the process and the applicants to to state it now. >> So, I'm going to reserve my right to comment on any specific act uh aspect uh knowing that that we should be doing that before it goes to the planning board. Um I also just want to comment um one comment on the comprehensive plan. We did update the comprehensive plan with a comprehensive housing plan just a couple of years ago. That is now part of our comprehensive plan. So, we're not just judging on what we're doing based on what happened in the 2005 update. We

184have adopted into the comprehensive plan a new section on community housing. So, that's already in the comprehensive plan. That's part of the idea is that I also based my um my comments and and and my due diligence and my thoughtfulness of what's being asked for this particular board which is the reasonzoning code change to apply an affordable housing overlay onto this particular project. Um and this project came to us not as kind of the idea that we're talking about with the um agricultural uh potential code changes. This was a developed project that was presented to us to make an affordable housing code uh an affordable housing overlay on. So it wasn't a blank piece of property. It it has a site plan on it. Um, so I'm going to talk about uh how I feel

185and uh my support for an affordable housing overlay um to be reszone to be placed on this property. So I'm going to uh first talk about the uh applicable framework that we should be discussing this under for me and that's the affordable housing uh as defined under the town code and the def affordable housing overlay district has been established in the town code and is intended uh and supported by three main pillars. One, to create housing opportunities for senior citizens, young families, and persons of moderate means residing in the town. Two, ensure new affordable units are open to the general pool of incomequalified residents. and three, regulate tenant selection through nondiscriminatory public processes under the um uh so therefore um what is my problem and where I'm see that this project falls outside of those

186three pillars is because the units are not available to the general public. Um affordable housing under the town code must be accessible to incomequalified residents. The proposed model restricts access exclusively to employees of the purchasing businesses. Such restriction violates the fundamental principles for me of public access and non-discriminatory eligibility. The employment contingent housing is is uh is not compatible with affordable housing standards. Now, I'm not saying it shouldn't exist. What I'm saying is uh that I would think that like the agricultural code changes that we're talking about, if we're going to consider projects like this, rather than trying to shoehorn it into an existing code that doesn't quite meet it because that the existing affordable housing overlay does not include units sold at market rate in any aspect of it. It's not considering units that

187are exclusive to employees of a particular business. If we're going to proceed with allowing this type of development, which I'm not commenting on, I think we would need to re to have a new code section uh to be able to do this. And I'm not opposed to exploring that. Um but I think um looking at um what affordable housing seeks to achieve under our town code is sustainability independent of employment. And that's why it's only by income restriction and not by who you work for. And I think we're restricting a very important parcel and perhaps other important parcels from the general pool of folks who can no longer afford to live here, community members. And I think that that is uh outside of the definition of an affordable housing overlay district. So, I refer back

188also to a memo that was drafted in 2024 by Eric um when the uh uh and is on the town's website uh specifically addressing the concept of employer sponsored housing and that memo stated employer house uh sponsored housing is not equivalent to affordable housing as divine defined in the AHO. The town would require, which is what I just said, a newly independent structured code section if it wish to authorize employer provided housing. And the existing code provisions, including the AHO, and this has been mentioned, does not provide a regulatory framework suitable for employer tier housing. Um because the purpose, regulatory structure and beneficiaries of employer houser housing differ from public affordable housing programs, I believe the town must maintain clear policy and a legal distinction between the two in order to protect both. The recommendation

189for the creation of a new code section rather than expanding the HO reinforces that employer provided housing falls outside of the town's affordable housing definition and legal framework. Um the idea that your housing is connected to your employment I think is the opposite idea of general policies that are sound planning practices for affordable housing. So even talking about, you know, we're talking about town enforcable affordability covenants and we're saying that there'll be no town money involved and that's a good thing to have private totally private uh developers come in because um you know using taxpayers dollars or the 1% tax we can we can use that perhaps in other developments but I don't believe it's zero cost to the taxpayers of the town due to the regulatory framework that the town then without a manager

190would be taking on uh to be able to ensure that there's no abuses in this and that the covenants and restrictions are being followed. So I I don't think that it's actually um at no cost to the town. Um I think that uh uh the businesses will independently determine eligibility and occupancy and and that eliminates public regulatory oversight unless we create one. Um, market rate development produces, and this is very important to me, developments at market rate and sold at market rate produce no affordable units, additional affordable units under the town code, which I believe we are bound to as the developer would construct and sell the units at market rate prices. Um, no affordable [clears throat] units would be create created. So, how do you create an affordable housing overlay? uh for this particular

191project then I believe that employer housing ins would serve an important need in the community and that's business needs because our business can't exist without employer housing but not community housing needs which is what is being asked of this board to put a stamp on this project as it exists. Um, [clears throat] and the town code defines affordable housing as a community serving tool designed to meet a public need. Um the problems I have and the fears and I think the structure of a new section in the town code for this particular model and why that's important is because beyond the local code requirements employerowned housing raises broader policy issues that we have yet to discuss and present in public. One is that tenants may face displacement due to works place disputes, seasonal slowdowns, any

192type of loss of employment. The employer therefore has disproportionate power in my opinion over both employment and housing stability. Those two things uh coupled together is to me a bridge too far. totally understand power over employment, but then when that relates to moving that forward to housing stability in the town, I think we need to take a look at a new code section. The housing is not portable. It's not secure. It undermines long-term residency and community stab stability. The units, as I've said, are not available to the general public and do not increase housing opportunities for the community. And therefore, I think these structural characteristics further distinguish employer sponsored housing from true affordable housing, which prioritizes for our community members independence, stability, and full public access. So therefore, in conclusion, for me, um, based on

193the provisions of the town code, the regulatory intent of the affordable housing overlay, the findings of the memo, the 2024 memo, and the questions raised in the memo today on the proposed model of employer workforce housing. For me, it does not meet the definition of affordable housing. Therefore, it does not qualify under the AHO for any existing T or any existing town code housing program. And the while it is important as it does serve as a private business purpose, it doesn't serve as a public housing need purpose. Um so for me before we would approve uh I don't think an affordable housing overlay approval is appropriate. I think we need to look at a new code section completely for employer tiered per units purchased at market rates with rent up up to 130% AMI with

194employerbased eviction provisions that cannot be classified counted or treated as affordable housing in the town in planning zoning or policy context and for me it falls outside of the intent as I said in definitions of the affordable housing overlay Okay, >> thank you, Kate. >> I'll go. >> Who wants to go next? >> Sure, I'll go next. Um, look, as as it pertains to does the town have the ability to reszone this as an AHO, yes. I mean, undoubtedly we do and I I appreciate that for residents in any area where that might be the case, that is going to be problematic because truthfully, we we all have that element of nimism. None of us want affordable housing in our backyard. Um, you know, this goes from this type of development through to ADUs. You

195you have, you know, even the concept of changing the code to allow, you know, individual homeowners to build affordable units on their property is problematic to some. So, you know, I I appreciate that there's going to be concerns for anybody when you introduce an an AHO in an area, but does the town have the ability? Yes. Is there a need? Definitively. Look, I I I I think Ian stated it well. Like the housing issue we're facing in this town is so incredibly problematic that I have employees coming to me for the town and my own business struggling to find housing. And just operationally with regards to the town's long-term well-being, we are at a point that we have to take action. we have to take dramatic action in order to meet those needs and house

196people. Um so you know in terms of this kind of this lot specifically becoming an AHO yes I would be supportive of that. Um you know the concept itself I'll diverge from my my colleague um I'll speak to some of the you know concerns I have um and some of the you know more positive aspects to it. Look, I I think that the concept of employerowned affordable housing is not as novel and unique as we think it is. I mean, where where I originally grew up in the UK, you had Bourneville that was developed by the Cadbury's family. In the US, you have Pullman in Chicago, you have Hershey in Pennsylvania, Col in Wisconsin, all were developed by private employers to provide quality housing to their employees. I think that concept is is relatively a

197good one. And and I think as my other colleague said earlier like look we are not going to address the housing issue we have out here without private intervention. Look we as a government and you all comment about it frequently that you know we don't move fast enough you building apartment that is the nature of our operations. If we're going to fix this genuine problem, which I do believe is the primary problem we're facing out here as a town, both in the immediate and the long term, we have to acknowledge the ability of the private sector to address that. Um, I'm, you know, in in terms of how this specific proposal would function, I I I do have some concerns. You know, look, I I think when we are delivering affordable housing, my hope is

198is that as many residents as possible are year round. I think we had the one speaker today talking about, you know, the issue of first responders. I'll say myself and, you know, from my own firehouse that I I volunteer in is that yes, we are losing people. The average age structure in our our first responder units is getting older and it's not being replenished as fast by younger people as we need it to be. That needs to happen. Um, we could go to the private sector, you know, to address that. That's going to result in significantly higher costs to you as taxpayers. I prefer a volunteer service. That's just me as a person. Um, protections for employees are very important to me. If we're talking about, you know, employer owned housing, that the idea that

199someone could be fired and lose their housing immediately, you know, that that's challenging. I think, you know, we had an earlier speaker on a different topic about St. Michael's housing introduced the concept of, you know, a town uh appointed a committee that oversees all kind of affordable housing projects. Maybe that's something this could fall under because I think the last thing any of us want to see is any town residents or employees being unfairly evicted from properties. So, you know, if this is the model that does move forward, I think the regulation needs to be there for the for the properties as it stands. Um, I I I do think very importantly um the the issue of the the traffic is it needs to be brought up. I I think um you know this needs

200to be reviewed as an AHO possibility with the highway superintendent to ensure that they agree with the access. I know historically we've had issues on some areas with this um the operations to the north. I know there's been traffic accidents up there. We've had the public reach out to us with concerns for some of the operations that take place on in some of those areas. So look, I I do do acknowledge traffic is is there as an issue. I think it's incumbent on this project and other operators in that area to address the traffic um problems as we see them. Um but I I I think that you know this is to move forward in the traffic study needs to be kind of very clearly defined. Um but overall I I'm supportive of this um

201parcel potentially being an AHO >> and supportive. Okay. Is that all we're asking today Britney? is I mean again I know that there are I'm just trying to unfocus it on what the what the asks are of the town board today. What you have before you is a petition for a reason from the applicant. Um what is being asked of the town board is are I'll start by saying a reszone position is a legislative action that the town board is the only authority that can enact. So, we're asking whether the town board is favorable moving this forward, which at this point is saying is going to require um more conversation with the applicant to determine whether or not this model that they propose is something that is feasible or advisable. So, at this point, it's

202whether or not which would also entail a code change. So is the town board supportive of continuing consideration of this application that's before you >> for an AHO and for a code change to allow the model that they've brought forward correct >> to be able to be correct utilized. The petition is intrinsically the projects are intrinsically tied to each other. The AHO and the application for the proposal the proposed site >> and that's why under secret we're reviewing them together. >> Yes. Under secret even under SRA we cannot separate them. We cannot segment them. >> So my comments here about process this is not the only petition for affordable housing that's happening within the town government on Long Island today. I think there's another one up island. and I saw that on channel 12 news

203to bring it to the format where we're discussing it publicly is the best way to do so. You got to give the opportunity for the factual basis for either a developer to work with the town to come together with the process to bring to the town board for open discuss discussion and this is an open discussion. This is a long way to any potential action being t taken because that there's numerous steps that would have to be here for code changes for planning open board u um uh planning board ARB and others if this decided to go forward. So there's many opportunities on any type of code change to speak at uh public hearings going forward then too. So I do think the process has been appropriate here. While it might be jarring, it has

204been appropriate. Uh there's two actions here. I think I'll go to uh uh my biggest challenge right now is the second action that's being request requested is about the type of model or business model that's being uh formulated here. I still have uh a lot of a lot of concerns about it. Uh I would love to request to see the offering plan. I haven't seen the offering plan. A lot of that has come out and discussions here about how those protections on guard rails might actually be there to keep this affordable. I understand what council member Rogers was saying about how it ties back to the code. I'm not a sure of that because I haven't seen it yet either then too. It does make me nervous that this these competing factors here right now

205are not going to make it affordable long term and that it' be challenging for businesses uh uh businesses to actually thrive in this one or keep it affordable for uh individuals. I do understand that we need to assist businesses uh with housing where we can and that while Tom mentioned this is not a novel uh way to go about uh affordable housing for businesses in other areas and even the township businesses do buy houses here it's it has to work within what the town code is in our comprehensive plan. So I'm very challenged to move off move forward on that right now at this time. I don't know how the long-term affordability would be guaranteed. Uh, I think very simply it comes back to me as far as um an AHO in affordable housing. I

206think we all know there's a a crisis of affordable housing that's been here for decades and I believe there's been mistakes by town boards in the past about site plan reviews not allowing it on properties in the past or for uh down zoning or upzoning of properties on there then too as far as this property this is an attractive targeted location potentially for a ho as it is within the 2025 sorry 2005 uh comp plan but the scale of this development is is also challenging right now too. Affordable housing comes in different sizes, different looks, different needs, different necessities, all different all the way through. Doesn't mean it has to be incompatible development. Uh goal seven, the town uh goal seven of the town's comprehensive plan states that the town has to protect historical buildings,

207neighborhoods, landscapes, scenic vistas from incompatible development. Next to this property you have a bsentennial farm and it's one of the only it's the only one I know of in the town of East Hampton maybe one of the only of a handful if that on Long Island and New York State there's not many either then two that defines historical buildings and neighborhoods then too I have I'm challenged to see that the scale of this development at this location as presented to the town board in this petition which is legal and valid u is not incompatible uh development as based on the town code. So, as far as an AHO, yes, it's an appropriate location, but what is appropriate for the model of of the type of development or the or where it would be placed in

208the town code under affordable housing, I I I I'm not supporting that right now. That's my comments. >> Thanks, [clears throat] David. So, affordable housing is a pressing issue. I mean, we all agree that that and I'm sympathetic to business owners that are looking to house staff, but I don't believe that this is the right model. Um, for me it's not affordable housing, it's employer housing. And uh, the executive director of the housing authority in her comment said, you know, there should be one owner, agent or manager ultimately responsible for the entire property for effective management to ensure conformity with the special permit conditions. Uh I also think that you know commenting uh for the special permit 79 units is just uh just not as David said it's not compatible it's incompatible development. So, [snorts]

209when I'm looking at these two together, the zone change to affordable housing requires the town board to do a code change uh to make a forprofit developer and I and develop condos and in in this model the way it's presented, I'm I'm not comfortable with it and uh does don't want to move forward with it. All right. >> So, Britney, is there any motion moving forward as far as the petition that has to be done by the town board? >> No, it's a this is a discretionary action of the town board. The town board doesn't have to consider it. It was brought forward um just forformational purposes and to so the town board can make an informed decision as to whether they would be supportive of the petition. >> Okay. Thank you. Do we need

210more guidance? I mean, my my opinion is I I agree with the planning department, attorney's office, and the housing department that we need more information, but I think we should get that information. >> I don't know. I think I might be in the minority. >> Well, there's two things. This is a petition for one location. But there's other project >> with the project and that's why that we're looking at these two two requests in this petition part of the regulations for secret but this actually format and business model is going forward in another location where there's already an AHO and yes I think that that information you just requested there I enumerated should be brought to the town board also because at some point there might need to be a cone change for that also.

211I just want to clarify, you can make a decision at this point not to move forward with the application. >> This particular application has to clarify. >> We're not being we're being asked to to make the put the affordable housing overlay and make a code change on a property for a particular project. >> Right? So, the reason request has to be justified. So, when you're asking for a zone change, there has to be justification. the justification was the pro is the project >> the public purpose of the project >> right >> they're intrinsically tied to each other >> just to be clear I'm responding to that uh that uh guidance that I am considering an affordable housing overlay uh for this particular project at this particular location >> yes >> so >> there's nothing right

212with this particular model correct >> right because they already had established >> the town always has the authority to initiate a zone change on its own. It's just you're being asked to consider this project that's before you. >> Right. So I I just want to be clear on that and you've clarified that for me. So we're not talking in theory or in general for any particular uh u property. We're being asked to consider this for this pro for this particular project because the project was baked when it was presented to us. Correct. >> Tina, I'm sorry. Can I just add a nuance? Um, so there's whether or not the site's applicable for AHO, right? That's one. The second is, is this employee model, employerowned model something the town board wants to consider for this site?

213A, but B, remember we have 350 Panigo Road progressing through the planning board process. It's the same model. So I'm hearing today that there's not a lot of support for this model. And if there's not, then that also impacts that project. So it it I know it's complicated, right? So there's a series of layers to this. Um so when you're thinking about whether or not this code change is appropriate, I would ask you think about it, yes, as it's linked to the site that we're talking about now, but also as it applies to the town, right? Because a code change would apply to the entire town and there is another application for 350 pano. For me, it's it's the site is a consideration and I and I read in the memo that there needs to

214be more information for I I in the beginning uh reserve my comments on the actual site as it's planned. Um but for me it has to do with the model and whether that falls under um affordable housing or if it should be a totally separate new code section that has its own set of regulations and guard rails and specific >> density where that's available. Um and I I am in favor of that discussion. Um but uh I going through the affordable housing overly the intent is for the general public as I and I for the reasons that I've stated is that this to me rather than create affordable housing access for the general community in perpetuity rather restricts it to a certain group of people called employees. And even if that person who could live

215in that place that that unit for five ten years loses that employment then they no longer retain the ability to live in that unit. And that's contrary to me to the goals of the affordable housing overlay and affordable housing in general. And I don't think it affords a stability that that should apply. or community house >> pretty straight for me on the specific potent uh petition on the specific location the two code changes right now I'm I'm not ready to move forward but understanding that this location is a location that could be an affordable housing uh overlay at sometime potentially in the future I I I I hold any com comments for that for any other later time but as far as the model for other locations further discussion is definitely warranted but for this

216specific petition. I have no intention to move forward. >> Okay. >> So, where do we So, where do we where does this all shake out? And it sounds like we don't have the the desire to move forward with this petition right now, but there is a majority who wants to look into the model. I think very thoughtful questions were put forward in in the memo from the town. >> Well, yeah, there's two pieces, right? Right. Do we have majority support for this these lots to be aho defined irrespective of this application? He can't separate. >> It's not the request. >> It doesn't allow you to. >> They're intrinsic. They're together. You can't say >> we were presented with a project, not with a just a location, >> right? And even with using the ADU, you're

217not coming in, we're not coming in saying putting an ADU on seven Grand Avenue. It's across town. So, because there was a project attached to this request. >> Understood. Yeah. No, I I I I think that that's totally valid. I I think you know yes that project's there but now we have this in front of us as a board with housing where it is is it not worth kind of that deliberation of like look should this lot be resigned as AHL irrespective of this project >> I think that's later discussion from this discussion >> we have a petition in front of us right now >> yeah okay I I also just want to say that we we did discuss maybe a year ago um I think one time was called workforce housing or middle income

218um development. Um we didn't have support at the time. I'm totally happy to open that back up if there's, you know, board support. Um that was associated with 350 pano as the original way to try to um and I think that there may be a way to discuss that that has sales going directly to individuals at a at a higher sales price, but still with some sort of cap of appreciation. Complicated concept, but I'm just saying that, you know, we can talk about a different code change than just the one with the affordable housing section. and there was already something on the table and be happy to bring it back. I I think there's a lot of incentives available that that in doing the due diligence for this project in other areas that incentivize um

219in in in different ways uh employer sponsored housing um both on the supply side on the demand side uh and I think that if we're going to explore the uh uh employer housing we should we should take a comprehensive look of what types are available and and uh evaluate what we think would be appropriate for our town. >> I agree. >> If I if I could pipe in Ian, I recall what you're talking about and I thought that that ended because there wasn't support to move forward with that model. I feel like we've kind of come full circle because we we stopped with that model because there wasn't support and then 350 pano still kind of was going slowly through the process with an interpretation that maybe it was permissible under our code. Now that

220I'm hearing this discussion, I think we're back to we needed code change. We probably need a new whole section of code and that employee model already did not gain favor. So, I just want everybody to recall those details. I wasn't that involved. I don't know why that failed, but um I think if we were going to go back, we'd probably start we'd have to start with that, right? because that was pretty tailored to this proposal and come back to the board with a developer informed responses to kind of the comments we've already issued as concerns and see if that gains more traction. I just want to remind everybody we we already did go through that discussion and it didn't >> Yeah, I I believe the applicant at that time withdrew the request. >> Okay. >>

221For the reason of this board, right? Okay. >> Correct. And went to a different board under a different set of circumstances that they believe apply. I'm not gonna opine on that. Yeah. >> Well, no. I think they were asking for a code change because it was they they thought they would need the code change to do the project. It was then I think they determined >> that they didn't need the code change, >> right? Because but we didn't we didn't support it. And I think that that a lot of work went into that proposal, but it wasn't anywhere near, you know, halfway there. I think it's important to note though that there's nothing that restricts these units to only employers owning them. That's what people assume is going to happen. But I could buy one

222and rent it to whoever. You know what I mean? That's not it's not an actual restriction that it has to be owned by employers. It's just >> it's the market rate. >> Yes. That's what they think would happen. But it's just an important differentiator. >> That's how it's been presented. >> No, I I understand, but it's not a it's not a true restriction. It's a contemplation of what is the likely, you know, outcome or you know, owners of these units. >> Yeah. I mean, I I'll note even on that front. I mean like look the letters of support we've seen are from Southampton Hospital you know local businesses that you know I think are critical to our town's well-being you know and our inability to find adequate housing for them is incredibly problematic and so

223I I just I I don't want to put this to bed I ideally I I want this kind of possibility to remain open as a concept. So then again the discussion is profitability right if you can offer sales of these units and I'm talking totally outside of this conversation I'm just talking theoretically uh kind of kind of in response then perhaps you look at models where uh the the units are sold at a certain percentage below market rate rather than at market rate. I there's so many options available. That's a really broad discussion that I think we really should I I I am fully supportive of bringing that forward. >> Well, so am I. I think you heard it from Katie Casey is that even with the large units that are are being built in

224town, there is actually capital investment from investors to make money on affordable housing, but potentially at a lesser yield on there that it's already known in affordable housing. This is just a different one for the town to see on this petition. That's still where I stand. I don't mind moving forward, you know, to the next topic. >> But the projects Katie Casey was talking about all involve funding from state or federal sources, which is the big >> That's not how she's going to looking to do the Route 114. She's looking to do the Route 114, you know, working with the community housing fund. >> Well, I'm just Well, okay. So, outside funding sources that aren't only private. So, it is a different it's a different type of thing entirely. That's all. >> Okay. Okay. So,

225I'm hearing there is support to continue to look at this model, right? >> I'm I'm I'm supportive of looking at all new new type of affordable housing models or or opportunities that might be out there on this specific petition. >> Yes, >> that's my comment. >> And I also today and we've talked about it before and it came up last night at my east CAC. Uh to Charlie Niggle's point where you know we allow apartments over commercial structures >> completely. we need to look at the code for, you know, agricultural properties. If he's got a barn and he can put a couple of affordable apartments there, I think that's for us that's lowhanging fruit and that's something we should be looking into. >> Well, I agree. And when I when I say update that the

226housing plan and comprehensive plan, I think Kate's right that I think based on the community housing fund, there was, you know, a plan submitted, but it's not it's not holist in talking to the planning department, housing department, I think that we need more and can dig even deeper and should address things like that. I think we should look for solutions wherever they are. >> Um, a lot of good solutions, you know, above a barn or ADUs. I think we should look at all these things and I think it would it should be a bigger study >> if a particular uh business has the ability or a school has the ability to put affordable housing on their own property for their employees. For me, um, that's something we should be exploring. But again, >> these are

227looking for us to create codes that that work for these >> that uh consider the the possible abuses and squarely put who's going to manage this and how they're going to remain affordable in perpetuity. Um, which is something, you know, uh, we talked about, uh, the original affording affordable affordable housing development of Wellbone and those thoughts weren't kind of fleshed out, um, where the and that's not a bad model either where people we b, you know, we give people the land, they build a house. So, um, with their own resources. So, I I just think uh, we should explore anything we can explore. But just just to your comment if you don't mind saying I put up my cap and I'll be done with this madam supervisor >> as far as the word abuses. Yes.

228And that's looking for guard rails but there's also a lot of positives too that we should be looking at as proposals coming forward too. Not just a no but how could it potentially happen this s situation >> incentives as well. Yes. >> Agreed. >> Okay. Thank you Tina. Supervisor. I think um with all the back and forth, it would be proper to table this at this time to decide whether or not the board needs to take any final action with respect to the petition that's in front of us. We can table it um till next meeting just to decide whether a motion needs to be heard. >> Oh, you you it may need a resolution. Well, because the town board is hearing it, we have to we have to determine whether or not we actually

229have to notice a public hearing at this point because there's been back and forth. >> Okay. Um, procedurally, we just want to make sure that we're doing this correctly. So if you we table it for one week, we can or I'm sorry, one work session, we can determine whether or not any final action whether or not we have need we need to have a final um action whether or not there needs to be a public hearing before that final action takes place. Final action being a denial of the petition. >> Okay. >> Or approval of the petition. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Okay. So we are going to move on. Um, and I don't know folks, why don't we take a minute break because I know there's folks. >> All right. Uh, LTV, we're going

230to take a five minute break. >> Okay. I will put a a graphic on the screen and all will be well. Thank you. >> Thank you. and we are live. >> Thank you everyone. We're we're back to our work session. Uh, and before I invite uh Tom House up to make a proposal from Hampton Pride, I'd just like to take a moment to acknowledge that yesterday was World AIDS Day. For many in our community, this is a day that reopens a wound. It brings back the faces of friends, partners, children, siblings, neighbors. It brings back hospital rooms, empty chairs at dinner tables, and decades of fear, stigma, and heartbreak. That pain still lives here. It is carried quietly by people who survived the epidemic and by families who never stopped missing the ones they lost.

231The Trump ad administration cancelled its World AIDS Day observance this year. And for many who lived through the worst years of this crisis, that decision felt like a dis dismissal of their grief. It felt like being told again that their lives, their losses, and their loved ones were not worth recognizing. That is a deep hurt and it deserves to be named honestly. But here in East Hampton, our community did what the administration would not. We came together. At the Hampton's Pride Names Project at LTV, we remembered. We read the names. We touched the quilts. We shared stories that are painful but sacred. We stood with those living with HIV today and with those who still carry the trauma of the years when so many were lost. I want to thank Hampton's pride and everyone who

232attended. East Hampton will not look away from the pain this epidemic left behind or from our neighbors who still carry their lost loved ones in their hearts every day. Your grief is not invisible here. The community, this community refuses to let silence take the place of remembrance. We honor you and we honor every life that should still be with us. And again, Tom, thank you. and Hampton's Pride, your your organizers for a beautiful event over the weekend at LTV. >> Oh, thank you so much. Uh I was going to say something similar, not as eloquent. Uh thank you for for doing that. Um uh and uh I did bring 10 students there yesterday on a field trip from Bridgeampton School and uh they viewed the quilts. They saw the movie Philadelphia and discussed it and

233that complaint that a lot of people of my generation that you know kids don't know anything about the AIDS pandemic not true for 10 students now. So it's a good it was an experience none of us will forget. So >> Thank you and thank you for coming to the event. >> Okay. So, you have we're gonna have Amory pull up your PowerPoint presentation and uh you're gonna we did this a couple years ago, but we've got new board members in the community. You know, we want to refocus because I know that you have you want to move forward and you want to know what what works and what doesn't. >> Yes. Thank you. >> Um and uh it was actually at the recommend recommendation of Tina that we what we need is a resolution to

234accept the design concept so that we can then go on if we need to go to the planning board etc. Um and also to fund raise like we need uh an official uh town resolution that says yes we accept this design concept. And I want to and I want to follow that up with I am rememeing again to represent this project to the Wayne Scott Sisters Advisory Committee this Saturday. So >> see you there. >> Yeah. Um yeah, so this is our uh second presentation at the the first time it was met with approval but there was uh nothing official, you know, it was just all verbal approval. And then when the board changed, Sylvia and Peter left. I met with Ian Em and Tom. Um, and I presented it to them, you know, individually.

235I think together we were in a room together. So, um, but since then, you know, things have changed, right? So, uh, so here we're presenting again. Um, all right. So, that was two years ago, that presentation. And if, uh, the contributors, I'm president of Hampton's Pride. um during the presentation, right? Uh Gustavo Bonavari is the artist that we've contracted with um renowned artist and architect. Uh Ken Lesb also originally uh presented with us. He is one of the foremost voices on historic preservation projects uh especially LGBTQ uh historic preservation um historic sites preservation. Okay. Um so this all started with an article in the star um in which when the property uh was finally uh you know came into the town's ownership uh there was an article in the star in which the then uh

236uh chair of the CAC said that you know we recognize that this as um an historic spot you know for a dis a gay disco and we are going to devote one of the benches to, you know, of the memory of the LGBTQ plus people there. And so, if you'll see, um, I wrote, you know, my heart just dropped. You know, it's like, okay, what kind of bench could possibly uh commemorate the 25 years of history there. Um, but also um to uh the uh surrounding environment, the attic was up the road, right? And that had been there since 1970. The swamp started in 1977. There were other bars that weren't gay owned and operated completely, but they were very gay friendly. And there so there is 50 plus years uh of LGBTQ history along

237what was called the miracle mile by you know certain people called it the miracle mile. Um, so we think of this because you know this is the only spot and it's the last gay club in the Hampton saying that you know what are the chances that there'll be another one, right? Um that what an opportunity because it's a town park. Um we could build something there that could be the repository of all that history, right? um ending with the swamp ending in terms of the you know the that era um ending with the swamp and we have the opportunity to build something right on that spot. So that that's very poetic. I feel a lot of people feel that right on the very spot you know we had the SAS surveyors uh come and map

238out exactly where the blackbox disco was. It's 50 by 50 and we have you'll see the the markers there. So um so that we're uh our design it stays right within that spot. In fact it doesn't even occupy the whole spot. Um but once again uh I wrote this article and you know it goes back to the movie Almost Famous if you've ever seen it. Um Kate Hudson you know she became a star with that movie and uh she's a groupy and one of her friends just like you know you know be real. this guy traded you in a poker game for a case of beer and she starts to cry and then says, "Well, what kind of beer?" [laughter] So, that was my feeling like I read this article, felt a tear, and I

239was like, "Well, what kind of bench could it be?" Um, this article was read by all the right people. And um if you'll see on the next slide, I had a first meeting with uh Sarah Davidson, with Carolyn Logan Gluck, the the ven chair um and some other people and we walked through the green and they got it right away. You know that, oh yes, it has to be more than a bench. So um but then the question was, well, who's going to pay for that? You know, who's going to pay to put something there? So that's when I incorporated Hampton's Pride in 2021 and our mission to celebrate and commemorate the extent LGBTQ uh plus people and their allies. Um our founding goal uh I want to stress was to create and maintain right

240we're signed on for maintenance uh the Wayne Scott Green design project and within the footprint of the swamp. Uh we are a 501c3 public charity. We got uh within 7 days of the person who filed the paperwork for us, we we got our letter of determination that even he didn't believe it. He was like, "No, it's a mistake." I was like, "No, here it is. PDF." Um and you know, of course, that we've expanded 6 months after we incorporated, I got a call from the mayor saying, "Would you please plan a pride parade?" And we gasped and said, "Yes." And you know how many people turned out for that first parade is on the next slide. Well, it's in the background. So, that was our first time out in 2022. And East Hampton, you are

241the first town on the east end to ever close its main streets for a pride parade in history. So, and that was in 22. We're about to have our fifth annual uh this coming June. We've also expanded into the Hampton's Pride Film Series and our annual World AIDS Day uh commemorations. So, Okay. Um, so a little bit about the Club Swamp. The original CO 1.12 acres as now Wayne Scott Green was granted in 1977 for that one-story blackbox disco. You know, had the chrome railing, smoke mirrors, famously known as the swamp. The next year it was expanded with a a barn light structure that became the annex restaurant. was a courtyard that um united them. Uh and it was surrounded by tall trees and a high fence. No, no mistake, right? Because in the 70s

242it was risky to pull into that parking lot, right? Um and it was there for 25 years. So, a generation uh there uh one of the most popular spots for LGBT community as well as for many celebrities. And I was trying to be funny the last presentation with choreo files which just means people who love to dance. Um it remains distinguished as the last and longest running gay club in the history of the Hamptons. It's actually the longest running gay uh longest running club of any stripe in the Hamptons. So, um, so the next slide, uh, thanks to the efforts of, you know, East Hampton Town Board, Wayne Scott Citizens Advisory Committee, and the Georgia Foundation, the site is now the Wayne Scott Green Rectal Mastro Memorial Park. What an extraordinary gift, enormous potential for

243the Wayne Scott community, East Hampton Town, and for the Hampton's LGBTQ plus people and their allies. Um in the original uh management plan um you'll see that uh these are this is taken right from it. It was our intention to provide an attractive gateway to the business district. Um an attractive central sitting and walking area that is easily accessible to pedestrians from the business properties east of the site which uh is I think planned in the future to be connected by a sidewalk and maybe a bike path I think behind that goes behind the triple E gallery. Um, as planned right now, it stays in that southwest corner connected to not dominating the green. Um, as big as it may seem when we zoom in on the details, it remains a modest proposal, the dance

244floor structure takes up 2% of the park's 1.12 acres. Um, there was is increased interest in the park due to the proposal. We have lots of uh lots of feedback all positive that we've received on social media for us from when the renderings have been uh distributed. Okay. On the next page, it talks about the project funding and reciprocal local support. Um this uh project will be realized through donations to Hampton's Pride at no cost to the town. Um to date through just soft launch fundraising, right? Uh we have not broken ground yet, right? That's when we'll be able to really really get the big donations. We have $150,000 to get started. Um we have established a record of successful fundraisers. Uh I've seen you at uh several of them, including annual summer events at

245Lung House. This will ensure project completion and ongoing maintenance. Um those uh those uh events are just getting bigger. Um, and we're we were we're going to once, you know, this is a definite thing and ground is broken, we are going to have fundraisers specifically designed just for this project. Um, we're committed to working with local contractors and we expect Hampton's Pride project to be a local source of revenue um both for the building of it and for the maintenance of it. And we're already we've already experienced that kind of reciprocity. There's been a number of uh landscape design companies that are very interested in working on this project and I feel like I shouldn't name them but I think some of you know [laughter] who they are. Um the development of the design proposal.

246So these are the markers. This is the old 70s swamp logo that was engraved. This is what SAS they measured it out and we had these bronze markers made. They're in the ground now. Um just to you know you can see if you go there and walk around you'll see the project will be inside uh those markers. Um we contracted with Gustavo this is four plus years in the making now you know that [clears throat] this has been going on. Um we have lots of faith that it's going to happen. Um Gustavo Bonavari we contracted with him in 2022. We had the place surveyed from its conception. The project was developed in close conversation with town officials, local businesses, the Georgia Gapan Foundation, and especially the Wayne Scott Citizens Advisory Committee. We're continuing that discussion.

247I was on the phone thinking I would be late. [laughter] I was on the phone with members of Wayne Scout trying to feel out what is what are the thoughts going on, right? Um and I have more information. So, and uh more will come out at the meeting uh this Saturday uh the next month after that. Um and it was it was as Caroline said when she called in it was unanimously approved. There was some talk beforehand but in the end it was all yes bring this plan forward to the board and we did and it was met here with similar approval though nothing formal. It was voted on at the CAC but not here. Um it was just you know it was like you know very nice project. like this. But um and then

248we then we then vetted it with Joe Polmo at the time and Scott Wilson for you know any kind of technical questions including ADA compliance and we went back with them to uh Gustavo and we worked those out. So the project has three strands. This is what I went to Gustavo with. We wanted first and foremost to be a celebratory social area. just raise that dance floor up right from where exactly it used to be a functional outdoor space decking area dance floor um that is usable right we could have our fundraiser there instead of at long house one day you know we could have it just right there um I know there was some concern it's like well we don't we don't want this to be too much of a draw right um but

249you know the and and it it will be a draw is there this design there's nothing like it in the world. I will get to that when we talk about Ken Leader. Um, however, I mean, the town has control of that, right? You have permitting and you can say, "No, we don't approve this, you know, your I don't whatever kind of 16th birthday party or whatever that's going to have 200 people. That's not what we want, right? Too much noise, too much DJ, whatever." But you do have control over that. I mean, we hope that you'll let us have our fundraiser, you know, once a year there. Um and we promise to to behave but um but you know uh even say it becomes something like oh we have to go see this installation in

250Wayne Scott there's control over that you know in terms of like who you allow to um to use it um celebratory outdoor social area historical marker and then a memorial garden right as we started out with the world AIDS day uh commemoration um I can't tell you how many people walked in and out of the swamp that we lost. Uh, some people have already given me money to engrave their son's name in the the memorial walkway and I really have to make sure that happens, right? I mean, okay, so the next just let you know about the artists, Gustavo Bonavari, we are so lucky that we got him. Um, I won't read that whole bio. It's there for you to look at. um but done everything from major major installations such as if we can

251look at the next slide this is Gustavo the tribute and light okay downtown um I mean is he designed it with someone else but this is every year you know um he's he's involved with that so he's done large uh large scale installations public installations that are world renown um all the way down to the next slide he's an artist and does watercolor You might have seen these on display at um the drawing room had an exhibit of his. So um I gave these two strands to him and he came up with the with this next design. So uh just remember as we zoom in it takes up what was that 2% was it 2% of the of the whole parkland area. So there in the middle is your celebratory area, the social space. And

252you see it's predominantly celebratory. All right. To the left of that is the historical marker. That's the the the tetrahedron of pink disco balls. And to the right of it is the memorial garden that will weave through with plantings. And you see like what Sorry if we could. Yeah. Thank you. Um, what kind of bench? I mean, that is a gloriously shaped bench. Um, okay. Uh, so the next [snorts] spot, sorry, thank you. Um, that shows you where the dance floor will be constructed in relation to the rest of the park. Um, you see it's off the it's off the path. And, uh, we had originally designed or Gustava had originally designed for that. of the tetrahijan of pink disco balls um to be in the heart of that and some people uh you know

253felt that you know that was a sacred space and so we moved that out and we moved it to the left where you saw it before so we moved it off the off the heart. Okay. All right. So what does it look like? Here we go. All right. So these are renderings. Um the figures are for scale. They are not part of the installation. Um so that's a shot, you know, looking toward the triple E gallery there. Um you can see that the bench and the plinth that the the sculpture rests on are made of the same natural materials, right? Um okay, let's so that's kind of an overall shot, but let's keep going. Um here's the park. uh when you're looking at it uh you know from you know standing in the middle of

254the park right you're looking at the face of the bench and you see that there's there's space between the path that created and um and the bench um on the next one is a this is you know Gustavo he's brilliant um you know uh songs from the 70s like that of the titles right I mean this will be up for grabs like you know we'll We'll vet the song titles, you know, and maybe we have community participation in that. What song titles get to be engraved and carved in that? But, you know, this is like who would have ever thought of that, right? Um, in the in the concrete that surrounds the decking um which would be made probably of ee um within the within the concrete. And then if you look at the next

255one. So when you're on the dance floor, you're looking in, you see that pink. It's it's glass mosaic. And it's not one color pink, right? It's many shades of pink. Um, and you can't see that pink on the inside of the wall until you're standing on the dance floor, right? It's sort of like just like when uh you know people used to park you know in the in the parking lot and then run in and then there was this whole new world inside right very colorful it you know conceptually that's the idea here right from the outside you see that natural beautiful brick wall um on the inside a whole other world um it doesn't look it doesn't look uh you know very distinguished right there in that rendering but Gustavo has made another drawing

256uh in the next one. So this is the kind of idea of a glass mosaic. Um not necessarily going to be this way, but there's the dates of the swamp. Um so that kind of glass mosaic which is used in like you know uh he's he's been calling companies that you know they create like outdoor metro um you know like designs and stuff. So this is this is made to withstand the elements, right? Uh, so we're not there should be little to no maintenance of this at all. Um, but this is the inside of the bench, right? That can only be seen when you're on the dance floor. Um, it's not written in stone, of course, yet what exactly will be there, but it seems like clip swamp, you know, probably should be one of

257the things that's engraved on there. So, but uh he gave us an idea of um you know just the complexity of it in terms of the different shades of the color. Okay. And so this is the this is what uh you heard Carolyn and I think uh Hersy possibly talking about before but these are Gustavo's words about why you know this is part of his conception about you know why that tetrahedron of pink disco balls unifying the historical marker and social area the pink tetrahedron of mirror balls will sit on a platform of the same stone as the dance floor bench while the curving side of that bench facing the dance floor will be a continuous pink mosaic mural. Additionally, QR codes installed in key locations could link to an interactive website that which we

258would, you know, which we would be responsible for. Um, not only detailing the site's history and significance, but also offering playlist by DJs who once worked at the club, things like that. Um, weaving together the other two strands of the project, the marker acknowledges the complexity of the history and emotions involved, but it ultimately strikes an optimistic, even playful note. This commemoration of Club Swamp and the early days of the LGBTQ plus rights movement celebrates the movement's tenacity and achievements. Okay. And then um I just the next slide just because we zoomed in just remember it's occupying that much of the park, right? It looked so big in those other drawings. So the next slide is Ken Lusbader, one of the mo foremost, as I told you, historic sites preservationist. um he's an East Hampton

259resident and he came to me having read the article that I wrote um in the Star um wanting to help with this project. And um he's written that letter that I gave to you. I won't read that whole letter to you, of course, but um it's not it's not a random choice. Pink is not a random choice. And uh and the triangle, the tetrahedron is not a random choice. And so a selection of that letter is on the next slide. Uh well there's the whole letter that you have before you but um I say why triangle and why pink the project's use of the triangular advance [laughter] for first of all and pink triangle marker are grounded in LGBTQ plus history. Um you you probably know that you know in Nazi Germany uh gay people

260were forced to wear the pink triangle as Jewish people were forced to wear the star of David in the work hands etc. that was that symbol of hatred and persecution was intentionally co-opted in the 70s as um as a color and form associated with civil rights, pride and celebration. So there's a history of co-opting the triangle and the pink uh um as a symbol of gay liberation. Since then, it has been incorporated into thousands of national and international designs, including LGBTQ plus historic monuments, marketing tools, logos, and t-shirts. And we have some examples on the next few slides. So, here is LGBTQ plus sitebased history projects and studies. Some examples throughout the world. And then on the next page, uh, uses of pink triangles. And if we could pause on this one. So, the use

261of pink triangles to commemorate LGBTQ plus history. So, here's where Ken is saying that there's nothing like this in the world. If you look at it, the first one is a Holocaust monument in Sydney, right? The second one is a monument to persecution and repression in Barcelona. You know, very very progressive city, right? Um, next one, memorial to gay Holocaust victims in Israel. Uh, sorry, the third one. Um this this other one in Berlin uh is a Holocaust um Holocaust memorial and it's a monument against homophobia in Spain. Um the last one is the exception. Uh it's an annual pink triangle installation for Pride Weekend in San Francisco, California. Okay. And then lastly, you know, just other examples of the use of the pink triangle um in the press, [snorts] clothing, etc. Okay. Um, I

262just want to add too that pink disco balls are fun. [laughter] Um, a park. It should be fun, right? Um, okay. [snorts] Looking forward, uh, you see the QR code there. This is a really important part of it and be like a last phase of putting QR codes attached to a website, um, where people can interact. We also, you know, we have these engravable memorial path. Did I don't I don't know if we had a good shot of the memorial path on there. That's my bad. But to the right of the club, there's a like a sort of a snaking memorial path of paving stones um that are engravable and they will be surrounded by we hope um native indigenous um plantings. Uh the other idea too was around the um Jason Lagaren I think

263some of you know him. Uh he he he and I [clears throat] worked at the SAR room together for seven years and he's very interested in this project. Um he would love to bring uh some of his ideas about plantings into this for consideration and [snorts] um is that me? Sorry. Um and uh his idea was too that the marker the you know the tetrahedron could be softened up with in terms of where it's placed and also what's planted around it you know in terms of it's being viewed from the road etc. Uh so you know we're uh you know Hampton's Pride you know we're I believe I hope an increasingly beloved part of the community out here and we don't want to do anything right that people aren't going to love right I mean

264okay 90% of the people aren't going to love we're never going to get 100 right but um we would never proceed if if there was like a big uprising against a certain part of this design by local people we would never proceed with we'd figure out a way. We we want it to be we want this park to be beloved and used, right? And we want Hampton's Pride to be proud of it. You know, that's our idea, too, that um we want to create something beautiful and we want to make sure it stays beautiful. That's why we always said that we would sign on for the maintenance of the project. So, um but interactive virtual components, um the QR codes could link to different songs, you know, those songs that are represented on the dance

265floor. people could upload their pictures, you know, uh, like of the past perhaps. And this, of course, I'm sure would be vetted by the town in terms of what, you know, what the public has access to or what the public uploads to. So, we're conscious that we can't just have free reign and just put anything up there. But QR codes that would link to the songs uh that would uh people could uh perhaps, you know, if they're using it or they're having a good time, they take their picture and they could upload that. you know, it creates an ongoing history of this of the use of this public space. Um, and then just, you know, just uh I think the the town and the village the um are poised, you know, the first town on

266the east end to close its main streets for a pride parade um happening again on June 6, 2026. Please take note. but also you could be at the forefront again of national efforts to acknowledge underrepresented history of LGBTQ people with the Hampton's Pride Project and to quote Ken again making an invisible history visible on the authentic site where this history took place and just thank you so much again all of you for uh allowing us to present this. Um, one last point. Adrina, you know, who originally did that, you know, design, she's seen this whole project and thinks it would be nothing but a beautiful addition to what she originally conceived. >> You have questions for Tom? >> I don't have any questions. I just have support for you. Thank you. >> Uh seeing this

267I know from the original purchase uh to the nature preserve committee then the town board doing the management plan and we recently just we heard the change in the management plan to allow for this. I think what is being proposed here is uh is reasonable. It would be very much accepted into the location on there and also allow for park goers to enjoy the park pretty freely. as you're saying it's a small percentage of the park that is I'm starting to see more and more actively used as a place of rest bit you know to sit down have some lunch maybe some of the individuals in the area I think there's a connectivity issue in Wayne Scott we'll continue to look at right as we move forward but overall the plans you know I I

268I have the continued support for all what you're looking for here >> thank you thank and thank you David for your time we've looked through this together before >> pleasure man yeah I would just add I mean conceptually I I I think this is great and And I'm fully supportive. You know, I I always kind of have to like look at things a different light, too. Just maintenance. You know, you you've mentioned long-term commitments to maintenance. You know, having a wooden dance floor that's going to weather and tear. >> Well, we're going to use ep. >> Okay. Okay. Great. So, that that was a key thing. Yeah. No, I mean, like just >> I I want to do this, but I want it to look right for its whole life and my town here. So,

269>> yeah. We I mean, and Gustavo, the artist, too. It's got to be impeccable materials, impeccably constructed and maintained. >> So, I've supported this from the first time you brought it to the board um and uh again, I aged myself then and I'll do it again um by saying that I was here uh at summer home um person um in that time period. And I greatly recall um the ability to go to lemons and other clubs and dance and relax and recreate and be social. And then the friends that I had uh who were part of the LGBT uh I'm going to get >> LGBTQ and you could add IIA plus you can go on >> were you know they didn't have that same feeling until they were in the swamp uh and the annex

270and uh that that was known back then. Um, and the fact that uh we could commemorate a space where people who back then really kind of were in the closet a lot, afraid of their employers, afraid of family, um, and of course marriage wasn't legal. And to just remind people of those times in such a beautiful positive way and celebrating it. Uh, I I I'm still supportive. >> Thank you. Yeah, I'm supportive as well and and I appreciate I appreciate your approach saying that you want it to be something that you know the whole town likes. Absolutely. You know, and I think that >> we're continuing our conversation to make >> Yeah, of course. I think that's been your approach to things generally and I I appreciate it. So, I'm supportive. I think the design

271is is nice and I can see the space being used. The only thing that I have some reservations about and I think I mentioned to you this when we met um and it came up is is the the tetrahedron. that it's a it's a um seems like it's fairly I don't know if loud is the right word but very noticeable and I just want to make sure that everything blends. So >> yes >> on that piece for me to be determined I think that you know public broader community support will go a long way to determining yes you know how that ends up looking. >> I did I did speak with Hersy. Is it okay to interject? >> Sure. I did speak with Hersy um telling him to be sure that should this be passed

272like the board accepting the design concept that I'm still meeting with the Wayne Scott people. We're not going to strongarm because we have board approval. We're not going to strongarm our way into building something that the majority of Wayne Scott residents are not going to welcome with open arms. You know, I mean, if there's one or two people like we can't help that, right? But but it's also it's a world-class design. There's going to be some there's going to be some push back, right? >> I I think some measurements so that people can get an idea because right now you don't know how tall how what you know it's just a photograph. I think measurements would be helpful. >> Yes. And that is a point. We do have those plans. Um uh but there are

273certain um ideas that I have in mind about what might make everyone what not everyone but most people happy. Right. Um yeah. >> All right. Well, it's unanimous. you've got the support. >> So, would we need a res uh Tom's uh I think has been advised, Tina, to get a resolution >> since this is town property. >> Um I when we talked with Britney, I think it made sense because there's going to have to be some formal agreement between the town and the organization in order to make sure that they've got permission to site there and the maintenance provisions. So, before you you got to get a license agreement. So I think a resolution to authorize the board to >> so we just heard the management plan >> to add a provision. >> Yeah, I

274think that the management plan was amended already, right? Yeah, >> it would be accepting of the donation of services then too. >> So is the qu that be sufficient? Is that your >> I don't know. I think we need we I think agreement. Yeah. >> Yeah, I agree. >> I think so. And [snorts] then that helps because I I think this has to go for site plan approval. So for the planning board to understand that the town board is officially kind of authorizing this. It's going to be a question so it's better to answer it. >> Thank you. >> Makes sense. >> Um would that be done today or at you have a meeting on Thursday? >> I I well I think we would first have the town attorney's office draft the the license agreement

275and it would get circulated to us and then we would put a resolution on authorizing the supervisor to sign it. >> Gotcha. That's code for probably not today or Thursday. >> Exactly. >> But but [laughter] I think support. So >> you have support. >> Okay. Excellent. Um and what do I say to the CAC on Saturday, I suppose. >> Well, if they tune in um and I'm the leazison to the CAC, so I also tell them about this meeting. >> Okay, great. All right. Terrific. >> Beautiful. Thank you. And thank you for your patience today. >> Oh, absolutely. Thanks for thanks for having us again. >> All right. Take care. Thank you, Rob. Thanks, Rob. Okay, moving right along. [laughter] Is it midnight? >> What are we four hours in? >> Um, we are now

276going to have an after hearing discussion for chapter 255, modify requirements for ADUs >> or Brian. >> And I know we've got Britney here. I don't know, Tom, if you wanted to open up the discussion. [clears throat] >> Yeah. Um, look, I I don't want to spend too much time given what we've gone through today rehashing like what are identified as the benefits of ADUs. Um, you know, nor kind of the the need for more affordable housing in the town. I think we all acknowledge that. Um, there are a few kind of quick things here that some were scriveners errors that, you know, I I think we need to address and we'll have to redo a public hearing. Um, we've also received some public feedback with additional recommendations. Um the one key piece there is,

277you know, I think J Miring mentioned it is to um include for the allowance of detach ADUs in that 15,000 foot cap as well. Um that's something I'm supportive of. We do have potential code drafted for that based on the board's kind of approval. Uh so that could be ready to go um should we do public notice as well. But overall um you know, yeah, I just want to to move this forward. Um and I'll I'll let Britney address the scriveners era there. Yeah, I just uh want to note if uh I guess we haven't had discussion on the 15,000 square foot, so I won't note the code section that would need to be changed. Okay, never mind. >> So, as Tom mentioned, the legislation before you reflects two corrections, the typographical errors that were

278identified during the public hearing. Those errors were found in 2551167. Specifically, the first one corrects the maximum size calculation for single family residents to 7% of the lot area. That should not have read 710%. Um, the 10 was just not crossed out. So, it's that should read 7%. And the second one restores the cap of 10,000 square ft where it said 20,000 ft, which was from an earlier version of the code. Um, those are the two numerical calculations that were scrier errors and have been corrected. Well, I I agree with Tom on this. I think that um I mean I'm supportive of this legislation. Obvious the need is obvious I think to all of us. Um, and I I do agree that detached I understand what the ADU committee was trying to do and it

279seemed maybe more palatable for attached ADUs to have a different standard, but um I've heard from the public number of people the public on this and I just don't think it's something that could be would uphold a challenge if somebody proposed a >> ADU committee is fully supportive of the change. It actually was the the board previously who pushed back. >> No, I I this is this is the [laughter] threading that needle of trying to make things palatable but also so I support that one change. I know there were other changes about, you know, family and residence, but but frankly, I think that there's already very strong language that says this has to be your you have to be a resident. This has to be your sole legal doicile year round. So, you know, Britney

280Jake, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think there's ample protections here that this can't be a guest house or an Airbnb, you know, by the code, even without changing um, you know, anything else. >> I think we included sufficient definitions. >> Yeah. you know, the intention is it's a year- round person. It's their only home. It's not a second home. I think that that's in there. And I think we have to be careful with, you know, drafting code and regulations that we don't we don't add more than more than is necessary. And to me, there's very simple language that accomplishes the goal. >> So, we Okay. And Keith, did you put >> Yeah, I'm I'm good with the change down to 15,000 square foot. I I only note that, you know, to me, they're

281not regulations, they're protections. Um, and um, that's really all I have. I'm glad we corrected the scriptures errors. I understand we have to go back to public hearing which gave us the ability to change uh, the recommendation. Um, so I'm going to take that opportunity and agree with Tom and Ian about being consistent on square footage. I also think it kind of makes it not kind of I think it makes it easier to um regulate and to ensure compliance if you don't have two different standards that may get confusing for people whether it's inside or outside. I I don't think that makes a substantive difference. >> David, did you have >> I don't have any more comments to >> There was just a couple of things brought up at the public hearing. Um it it

282the code one of the comments was it says that you get your building permit then qualify it for an ADU and they're suggesting that that's backwards that you should first qualify for an ADU before you get your building permit. Um, that kind of makes sense because then you'd have to get the building permit would be rescended >> causing more work fees would have to be >> um >> well I I think the point I understand the concern because it does seem backwards but I think the point there is to have your ADU permit you have to have a lease and all of that. Can you do that years in advance? >> What do you mean years in advance? >> Well, I mean the code is is pretty clear that you can build the ADU with

283the building permit but you don't get your CO. you can't use it as an ADU until you get that the ADU permit from the house. >> They're saying because because we're only we we're only giving 40 permits per school district. Wouldn't you want to first clear the hurdle that you qualify for an ADU before you go to the building department to get a building permit to build and certainly construct >> ADU permit you have to have a tenant >> right >> in place. So to do that before you've actually built it the challenge >> it and it seems it seems unrealistic that you can have a tenant years in advance. I I think that the ADU the code language is so strong. It's meant to be you know you can build this as of right

284if you meet dimensional regulations but the next step is you have to get your ADU permit. Then, so then we've got the building department talking to the housing department because I know we're not near the the numbers yet, but at some point we will be like, how does the what if the building department gives the 41st permit for East Hampton and you we only had it at 40? Like, do you know what I mean? I don't I don't know. It just >> they might they might That's a fair point. I mean, my my Okay, two two pieces on the changing of the order. I'd be reticent from changing what exists because it seems to have worked in terms of the sharing of the information. I do agree that like look with open gov we have

285that capability. Um the housing department keeps a very strict record of like the numbers and having them share that with the building department I think is easily doable. Can I just add one thing to this is potential guard rail there is that you know from uh from CFO of your structure you have six months to find a tenant or a certain time frame or has to be brought back into an accessory structure. >> Exactly. you know, so is that a guardrail that we put in there to make sure someone does just doesn't build uh what they think would be an ADU and then don't doesn't use it as it and then they have to restore to just an accessory structure. >> But that guard rail is already in there. If you don't have an ADU

286permit, if you don't have a CO, it's the code says this will be considered an illegal accessory apartment. Very, very strong language. I think the flip side is I I can't envision a case where the building department gives a building permit because it meets all the dimensional regulations and then later the housing department looks at a lease and they meet all all the eligibility requirements that it wouldn't be approved. So I just don't think that there's a a problem here so long as as Kathy pointed out we don't issue too many permits but >> there's yearly renewals and yearly permitting yearly and then yearly inspections also. And and listen, I'll be, you know, frank too, like look, if we start to get close to that cap, you know, that we're hitting it, the ADUs are

287working as a method to address the housing need. I think that that's the time for us to have that conversation as to like, look, do we want to increase the cap or not? because it if it's the if it's the fastest and most efficient way for us to meet the housing need then it's something that's working then we should be looking to >> and then I'll come back and say I think that the cap should be weighted based on population or number of lots you know residential lots in that community as opposed to you know um where I think it's a fair uh assessment >> I agree I think having a flat cap for each hamlet might not be the best long-term solution >> so can I just Aska regarding just looking at the building

288permit um approval from the housing department issue from the applicants from the person's point of view. I would hate to have to go through all the expense of getting a building permit and constructing only to find out what I was doing didn't qualify and I couldn't get it then that that's what I just want to not have people spend all that money and then somehow not qualify >> no qualified to get a permit. But how would it not? The only the only way it wouldn't qualify is if they didn't have an eligible tenant or they were somehow trying to use it illegally. I don't think there's discretion there. The housing department. I think if if the the tenant meets all the criteria year round income qualifies that well, in this case, they don't even have

289to, I don't think, but I think it's a it's an automatic thing if they abide by the rules. >> Okay. And then the other comments that you know I'm assuming it because I don't didn't look at it last night must meet all the setbacks and coverage that's in there correct and rented by a resident. The other comment today was a resident or member of resident's family or an unrelated person >> who's lived or worked in the town in the last 5 years. >> Just want to clarify that. So resident is defined as an individual who currently lives or works in the town of East Hampton, but may also include a person who is currently not a resident of the town, but has resided in the town within the past 5 years. >> Okay. So then

290it doesn't need to be clarified. It's already clarified. And then it could also be a member of the resident's family. >> Well, I think that was the the public comment was they didn't think the member of the me that the family member should be included there. I think that was the gist of it. I'm okay with a family member being included. Yeah, I think that's one of the desires for this is multigenerational housing. Like you're seeing people's kids not being able to live here. So this gives that opportunity. >> I think in fairness to the the the comment from the public, I think they were saying, well, if the family already lives here, they would qualify as a resident, but I don't see this as a major loophole. >> Yeah. I I don't I don't

291see harm in having it in there. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So you could make those changes and maybe we we just bring it back to next Tuesday's work session. We could either bring it back on Tuesday or the following Tuesday because it can't get noticed until the 18th anyway. >> So it would be a single lot size threshold of 15,000. >> Yes. And then the scrier's errors that were corrected. >> Yep. >> Okay. >> Beautiful. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Okay. We're in the home stretch. Brian [laughter] >> here, >> another patient man. >> He's used to zoning board goes till 1:00 in the morning. Oh, in the olden days ditch. So, we're up to the ditch planes dune reconstruction update. Good news from Brian. >> Is there somebody going to run the power?

292>> Let me One moment. >> Here's Chelsea. Right on. >> Here you go. [snorts] So just to tee this up, uh uh the town board has been actively uh in in thrals of construction right now with a contractor, the dish plans engineer Dune. I want to thank council member Rogers uh for shephering this part of the project for the permitting uh uh community outreach phase and now we're in the construction phase. We just wanted to alert the town board and then also the members of the public where we're at. Brian Frank, our uh has uh our assistant planning director has been also uh navigating this project and spearheading it. And we want to just give you some quick background information, but also just some photos if you haven't been out there to see what type

293of uh project it is and where we are at. Brian. >> Good afternoon, Madam Supervisor, council members. Brian Frank from the planning department. As uh uh Councilman Lee indicated, um this is an update on the uh ditch planes uh dune restoration. Um just a little background and I'll I'll try to be brief. I know you've had a very information dense uh work session today. Um but a a couple of things that are obvious about Ditch Plains. It's um without question um one of the most popular uh public resources in the town. Um it it's a beach that's uh used by probably every type of beach user group that you have um for whether it's active recreation such as surfing or fishing or the most passive of uh beach uses um some bathing, walking, uh burning.

294Um it's used by everybody. It's uh unique in that it's a concentration of public access points. There's no place else along the ocean where you have three public areas where you can park and access the beach within a 1,200 linear foot uh stretch of each other. So, it's it's uh really a unique uh public resource and and valued by pretty much every aspect of the community. It also has some uh unique vulnerabilities which aren't which may not be as obvious. Um it is not um protected by high bluffs like the properties that it's flanked by on either side. As you go to the west in Shadmore and um uh Surfside, you've got bluffs that uh rise up uh 70 ft above sea level in some places and uh east of Mtok Shores, you you have

295the same. So you have this uh lower area in between um with extensive freshwater wetlands. You have a complex stream system that flows north into Lake Mtok. And because of those low elevations and those wetlands, you also have some mapped um high hazard areas. You have velocity flood zones um that are wider in that section of beach than they are to the east or west. you have um a mapped feature which is known as the limit of moderate wave action boundary which is a mapped area where you could have uh wave action um up to a foot and a half high. That boundary goes all the way up to the forest road in some places. And the map flood zones go throughout the ditch plains community which is a highdensity residential area all the way

296through the heart of ditch plains up to and north of uh the highway. So, it's >> Sir, could you please quiet your phone back there? We can hear that up here. Thank you. Sorry, Brian. >> Sure. Um, [clears throat] so it it's uh in an area that has some some um impressive natural protective features on either side of it. It lacks it. Um, it's been a known erosional hot spot for years, and it really took a beating in um uh uh 2023 into 2024. where the dunes that had protected that area um were um greatly diminished in size nearly eliminated. Uh the beach itself um was reduced down to what everybody calls the hard pan. Uh the the the clay lens that that uh is part of the geological formations out there. Um so you

297had a a thin veneer of of sand left. And um if that area were left to recover naturally, I'm I'm not really sure how long it would take, if ever, because you don't have the windblown sand that you have in the beaches and the dunes in the western part of town where beaches in Amiganit um take a hit over the winter. There's a lot of sand that moves around in that area and you can you can watch the dunes recover over time. I don't know how long or if that would happen in this section if there wasn't some type of uh intervention. So to protect the resources of the community, the town undertook um the the pursuit of a of a of a restoration project spearheaded by uh um Councilwoman Rogers and and Councilman Lease.

298And the intent was to um design a restoration project that would meet the criteria for um federal reimbursement under under the Stafford Act. And that required um designing a dune of of um engineered dimensions. It it can't just be a one-time dune replenishment. It has there are there are criteria associated with that um with that criteria that uh requires that required to make it eligible for reimbursement in the event of a a federally declared uh disaster. Um, we engaged the team of coastal science and engineering, uh, a firm based out of, uh, South Carolina, but with a a lot of experience on Long Island, including the Bridge Hampton Sagoponic, um, uh, erosion control district uh, to the west of us. Um they were an excellent team uh to work with and um the the town

299team which consisted of members from the town board uh Britney Toadano from uh the attorney's office made uh significant contributions uh as well as uh members of the um town planning and uh natural resources departments. Um the um contractors also or the subcontractors also include uh LK MLAN Associates as our local engineering consulting firm uh who've been an integral uh part of the the design team and have been um also key in uh the daily supervision of the construction out there and um George Wahbridge surveyors who've been uh fantastic to work with. Um you'll see in uh some of the photos the footprint of the dune has been staked out at the heel uh the landward edge as well as as the toe benchmarks were set to mark the elevation to ensure that we were

300meeting uh the design criteria um that was was developed by cse and um a permit issued by uh uh DEEC. Um you'll see some uh sediment control erected to protect uh the freshwater wetlands and Rinstein Park as well as um the upland resources of the town open space between Ditch Plains uh parking lot and uh Otis' uh road end. And I don't know if I should uh stop there. >> No, we'll go to the next couple slides and then we'll move on. >> You just want to describe what this is? >> Sure. This is this is the uh design template. Um this is this was the design length of uh the project and the different shades are the different elevations. Again, we had to make sure that the uh dune was designed to stay above

301uh the mean high water line. We had to do some updates along the way because beaches are dynamic and the beach builds up a little bit and um it it elevation decreases and as that happens the location of mean high water changes. You want to place sand above the mean high water line so that it's not going into the the lural zone of the ocean and you're also not um losing it uh upon placement. So that that uh this is the bird's eye view of the design plan and this is the uh profile and I think you'll you'll see this reflected in the um in the in the site photographs uh that come next. The dune is designed with a a crest or in this case really a plateau that's about 15 feet wide and

302with an elevation that's 16 feet above sea level and is uh u sloped um both landward and uh seawward uh accordingly. >> What you're going to see next in the next video is if we can play this this is actually the title surge during one the second storm in that January on one of the properties on Deorest Road. You can see that the title surge just completely engulfed the property in the structures that were there. The gentle that did take this was safe and sound, but you see how far that that dune system was now deemed ineffective by mother nature. Uh >> and you had flooding all through the neighborhood streets as well. >> Yes, that's correct. This is just one of the ones we found at that time. Um Brian, thank you. I'll take

303this moving forward if you don't mind until we come to the end. Sure. Uh what you're seeing here is pictures uh that we took. Uh I want to thank Mark Abramson and Kim Shaw in the natural resources department and also Andy Gates and land management for taking aerial photographs before during and we will always do after. Uh this is from 10:15 25 before uh the project started to get our baselines on there. Next slide please. As we roll then this is now looking west start looking east uh towards uh Otus AB. You see where those cars are in the surf and someone catching a nice wave there. Next, please. And then we turned around and then hence looked west. So, you can start to see where the black hard pan is. Uh some of the

304uh uh private jetties that might be there and how some uh the current dune system is looking. Next, we continue to move forward. Again, this is the house that got moved back uh that was inundated by that storm surge there. Uh and then the town property to the right. Again, where that person is walking is where the dune system engineer Dune has been uh placed. Next, as we move forward, I want to thank Patrick Bis Bistrean uh and Brian Materials for uh their work and also with Jason Keys and their operators. As you can see, they had a make a bench plateau here. uh they came out after uh Dan Weaver and his staff of Wallbridge surveyors came back and then uh gave their benchmark and then also the toe and uh the toe and

305as the heel of the dune then too made it easy to work on to get the slope profiles correct. Next please. Currently there uh as uh as you can see it's this in the far distance where the tuna is starting to project here. This is coming from Otis. Next please. the weather and you can keep going through to the to the video. The weather has been wonderful up until today. Uh very windy at times also. You can see in this video here, this is the portion where we're heading west. Now looking at how the construction process and methodologies were happening. Again, they put a a bench in there for uh material. You can see the truck coming off the beach using a rock truck. They were dropping approximately anywhere from 1,200 to,500 cubic yards of

306sand a day out there uh starting the morning. You'll see the orange sign that we placed there uh for temporary closure of the beach. But in this what we'll start to see in this drone photography is that the silt fencing that were the project limiting fencing uh and then uh providing access to their heavy equipment as they shape the dune with not just excavators, dozers, rock trucks and also just human interaction with rakes on there. But as you'll see when we get down to Rinstein on there, uh this is some of the profiles that were there. Again, there are minor interactions already with the uh with the tide to the toe of the dune, and that's to be anticipated moving forward. Again, this is a protection area, uh for the large storms that might come

307next, please. As we continue on, uh you'll start to see this is by Otis Road hand raking to get the slopes, the 2 to1 slope with the 15t top section on there, width of it. So, the toe of the dune. Next, please. This again is from just LA was this last weekish. Uh as they start placing the sand, moving it down, it was a little bit of an ardulous and uh and tight uh uh um project zone, but again the contractors have been working with great skill. Next, this is where the top of the dune system is. This is now going uh uh facing west from in front of uh uh Rinstein Park. Again, what you're starting to see at the top of the dune here is how much the Avolian process. Did I get

308that right? >> Close. [laughter] >> Aolon process of the windblown sand. Thank you. I learned that from the zoning board from Mr. Frank here. And two, uh, it is actually it blows and you you lose inches of sand a day at times. So, there's been a request of the a request uh for the contractor to give a a quote or a proposal for potentially putting on a burlap juke natural material on top to try to hold the sand in place and also until the beach plugs take on there. We're waiting to hear back from that because again, a lot of sand is blowing. There will be sand uh fencing put at the the toe of the dune. We're also investigating putting it at the heel of the dune, too. Um, next, please. And of course,

309Brian, when uh Brian, of course, David, when you're talking about the plugs, we're talking about uh the plantings, the beach. Yeah. Dormant beach grass that we'll be putting in now also. That's correct. Kate, uh next rolling through just finishing it off, you know, some touch-up work, uh bolstering work here. Uh this again is from yesterday. Thank you, Brian, for the photos. Uh we couldn't fly the drones because of the wind that's out there, unfortunately. But, uh we we can get more and maybe put them on our socials. Madam supervisor. >> Uh next please. Again this is a 16 foot dune on a 2 to1 slope and it has changed uh you know the uh appearance. >> Yes appearance. Thank you very much. I'm looking for the right word of of the area but it also

310has now changed the protective measures there. uh it is uh anticipated to interact with the water at some point and again there will be a slumping and and a natural reformulation of the dune system that will be there uh that is anticipated next and this is looking east. Next >> last one >> that's the last one. So, uh, Brian, do you want, uh, next steps on here? I think they're approximately at about 15,000 cubic yards placed of the 20,000 cubic yards. Bill, I've gotten emails during this meeting that we have to respond to about, uh, uh, about some questions of the next uh, some options uh, in the construction of it. Uh, Brian, next steps to the board and just let the board know what to be anticipated. >> Sure. Um, I I I do

311want to comment. I I my office received a number of calls when the project was started. There was a lot of concern about what the quality of the sand was going to be. And it might be obvious from the photos, but uh the quality of the sand is is excellent. It's it's really high quality beach sand. I've tried to be out there on a on a weekly basis. Um I haven't seen any sign of of silt or mud or gravel or anything other than um high quality beach sand. Uh so the the next steps would be to to finish shaping the dune. Uh there's discussion about whether um um some covering is um warranted to reduce wind erosion um or will the beach plug beach grass plugs be adequate. Beach grass does serve as a

312natural windbreak. Beach grass has evolved to trap sand. It's it's in the plant's name. It loves to be buried in sand. That's what its Latin name means. And um >> you've been waiting for that one, huh? >> Yeah. Can you tell us the Latin name? >> We as Dave to pronounce that. No, you can't [laughter] >> be more fun if David. >> Yeah, thanks. I appreciate that. >> Amafa Brevilleigulada. Amafa means sand loving. That's that's uh so um but that will help hold some of the sand uh with or without um any type of matting on the surface. So those those discussions are ongoing. Um the the rest of the dune has to be shaped. It has to be fenced around uh certainly along the toe and probably along the heel as well and uh

313planted. We also would be adding signage uh to keep off the dunes,formational signage uh that actually states a new section of the code that the town board passed in springtime that they can't go cross over the dunes except for at locations that are historically done or beach paths on there. So, it's all to the public. There is no walking on this dune. If you do, you are actually going against what the town code is and you'll be penalized. >> And it's very vulnerable right now until it naturalizes. Correct. it'll it'll compact naturally over time. Um, dunes are fragile in general, but certainly when the sand is is freshly placed like that, that's it would the public has been from what I've been out there uh cooperative respecting the work area um which uh access is

314limited really for for safety more than anything else. And uh hopefully that continues and uh they respect the work that's done here and allow us to stabilize >> completely have uh I think I want to thank the supervisor for uh coordinating and advocating for this project and particularly others in M talk anything from CCUM chamber of commerce to dish association for funding. I want to thank Governor Hokll and her administration also for the grant funding. Madam supervisor, that wouldn't have happened without you at all. And too, uh so that to bring the financial uh wherewall to bear to get this action done, it protects the community down there. Uh I thank you for that. We will come back and when this gets complete, uh give another quick overview of that. It's okay. Uh I don't

315know when that would be, but it's going to be relatively shortly, maybe, you know, obviously in the next week or week and a half as weather goes. Uh one thing what's interesting that I think has worked well on this project and we want to thank uh Walbridge surveyors is that we had uh pay stations very similar to what we did with the army corps every 100 ft it got uh they came got the profiling in by the contractor it got certified then by the surveyor it had to be touched up it got touched up so it's certified to what the design is then that was a pay station the contractor gets paid on that and then it's on the town uh to restore if needed or desired from that point and I think that's a

316process worked well. It was new to the town or maybe even new to the contractors, but overall I think it was it's a process that's been working out well and too. So, Brian, I thank you for your efforts and the internal working team. I don't that's all my comments I have. I >> I just had a quick question. So, like when do you think this will be wrapped up at the rate that we're going? When when could the community expect the you know the beach plugs, the beach grass to be planted? >> Um before the end of the year for sure. I I don't know how much uh sooner than that. It it could be as as little as a couple of weeks. >> Great. And I just want to again thank David for taking

317over this construction um aspect of this project and and your work uh and and your knowledge that you gained from FIMP really is uh coming to good use and uh really appreciate the the oversight that you gave on the FIMP project really made you a qualified Doom construction manager and I think you should add that to your resume. >> Yeah. Well, thank you very much. Uh, but it takes a team. So, I appreciate it. >> Yeah, I just it's a great project. I I know when this when I first came on the board, I think it was like five days in, we had that flooding in that area and this project resulted from that. And so, kudos to it. I I you know, I think it's important to manage public expectations as well on this.

318It's a sand dune. It will evolve over time. It will interact with the ocean. You know, there were certain constraints in some areas where the sea level is and where private property is. We're aware of those. and you know it's to be expected but overall for the security of this neighborhood from its risk to sea flooding I think this is an outstanding project so thank you >> thank you Brian >> thank you board members >> okay we've made it to liaison reports >> I'm going to save mine for next week >> order yeah >> if there's anything that can wait till next week I think we should do that >> yeah I agree um I will skip to some of the uh lighter pieces here. Um just really it is the one look we we

319continue to see um fishing emails go out um pretending to be coming from the town. Um we have on each of the town websites be the planning department, the building department um kind of just key guidance for you to follow should you have concerns. Uh again the government is we're not going to reach out and ask for a wire transfer. So, if you're getting documentation saying that, please ignore it. You can make us aware that you've received it. That that's good for us to kind of be on that page. But, um, if you have any concerns, go to the town web page, uh, look at the department itself, read that guidance, and contact the town department by phone as well. Um, please do not get tricked into that. Um, that's my most important update, I

320would say. >> I will, uh, Sorry, Tom. >> No, you I will hold my laser report. Nothing is necessarily timely until next week, Madam Supervisor. Okay, great. Kate, I am going to hold my leases are important until next week. >> I will as well. >> Okay. I just have something that that I've gotten word from Change Hampton that they're really waiting to hear from us on um the presentation that they made. I can send the maps around. Uh if you recall, they they want to move forward. Sorry >> with the addition if you look it's just to the south of justice court you know those they want to include the they want to complete the meadows and they want to plant some oak trees and some small shade fern beds under existing trees. Um it's

321uh here in their presentation they have a a a code which shows where was you know year 2026. they're looking uh because they've got to make their plans if that is something that the board uh supports. >> I I support it. I love fern beds. I really look forward to seeing how they evolve there. I I think that uh the two two the two phases of the project so far are starting to turn out great. And as long as the maidens aspect is discussed with um has been discussed with Steve O'Brien and his staff hours, I really look forward to seeing a firm bed. I don't know. I'm excited about that. >> Yeah. No, I'm I'm support of this ongoing project. I I echo David's comments, which is you long-term maintenance is is the the

322only piece I think we have to keep in consideration uh as this moves forward. >> Um the other thing they wanted is they wanted to have a local builder who's interested in donating the 2x4s to edge their garden and meadow beds to help reduce edging time and help prevent more lawn grass spreading into beds. And they had agreed it would be untreated wood. Is that also something >> the board supports? >> We I think we discussed that last time. >> We did when they were here. >> I'm okay with it. I just remain skeptical that untreated 2x4s are going to remain a good edge for very long. But >> okay, >> I'll be honest, they're not, >> right? >> I think you'll probably get five years out of them if you're really lucky. >> I

323know one thing is that they'll define the bed for maintenance and string trimming where there has been a couple oops moments on there. Um, but uh, yeah, I just wonder about a metal edge or something that's more permanent, but I'm supportive. >> Okay, great. Um, and I just wanted one other thing. I can I'll talk we can talk about the stop signs at Hans Creek next week. And I just wanted to let folks know we got word from the Nature Conservancy that there's they're looking to do a burn on Shelter Island. and it's a pro prescribed burn that they're having this Friday, although they're leaving the window open because of weather. Uh, and wanted to give us a heads up and so we could notify our residents. We're going to be putting that on social

324media. So, if folks see smoke coming from Shelter Island, it could be the uh the burn at Mach. Um, all right. Resolutions. >> It's my privilege to offer resolution 202569. This is approved trail installation at AIX Hamilton H preserve as discussed at the work session on November 18th, 2025. >> Second. All in favor? I >> I'd like to make a motion to table resolution 20251570. >> Second. All in favor? >> The next meeting? >> Uh actually we could do this Thursday. Yes, please. Thank you. >> Kate, you're up. Yes. Resolution is to accept a grant of scenic and conservation easement 3 Georgia Association Road LLC. A public hearing was held on November 20th on the proposed grant of the scenic easement. Resolved the town uh board here the town hereby accepts the easement listed below.

325The grantor is 3 Georgia Association Road LLC. Uh the date of the easement is October 27th, 2025. The location is 3 Georgia Association Road and the reviewing agency is the zoning board of appeals. >> Second. >> All in favor? I. >> Resolution 1572 is a grant of scenic and conservation easement at 7 Outlook Avenue and Springs. This public hearing was also held on November 20th, 2025 and resolved that the town hereby accepts the easement listed below. The grant tour is Susan Leman. Uh the date is October 24th, 2025. The location is 7 Outlook Avenue Springs. Reviewing agency is the zoning board of appeals. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Resolution 1573 is to adopt a local law amending chapter 2551 141E uh 1 personal wireless facilities tier 1. This is whereas the

326town board held a public hearing on September 18th, 2025 to consider a local law um entitled the for amendment of the chapter 255 zoning of the East Hampton Town Code in order to amend 255141E personal wild services. After considering the proposed local law and comments received the hearing, the town board believes the adoption of the proposed local law is in the best interest of the town. Um whereas it is a type two action pursuant to the New York State Environmental Quality Review Act and chapter 129 of town code. Be it resolved the proposed local law is hereby adopted to read as follows details below. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I resolution 1574. This is a budget modification for the community housing fund to increase revenue budget line for real estate transfer tax in

327the amount of $150,000 and to increase expenditure budget line for subcontractor costs in the same amount. >> Second. >> All in favor? I >> I resolution 1575. This is to amend resolution 2025 1534 to include a budget lines. >> Second. >> All in favor? I. >> Resolution 1576. This is to authorize an appraisal for Suffach County Tax Map number 300-144.01-1-72. Uh, this is for an appraisal at five Triworks, which is part of the home ownership program in the amount of $600. Uh, and Elise Prao will do the appraisal. Second. >> All in favor? >> I. I have resolution 20251577 is to appoint Lucas Plit to detective in the East Hampton Town Police Department at an annual salary of 145,75612 effective retroactive to November 30th 2025 and congratulations Detective Plit second. All in favor? >> I.

328>> 1578 is to increase the cap for John C. Armatano Esquire and the law firm of Farrell Fritz for 2025 and this is in an amount not to exceed $90,000. Second. All in favor? I >> 1579 is to authorize payment of previous year invoices for Marine Patrol to GS LLC. Uh, one amount is for $7.99 and the second is for $131.75. Second. All in favor? >> I. >> And I think that's it. Do I have a motion to go into exec session? >> Yes. I'd like to make a motion to go into executive session for CPF personnel and litigation. >> Second. >> All in favor? I. >> Thank you everyone for joining us. Have a great rest.