001All right, school board, we are live. We are recording. Phone lines are opened. Go for it. >> Thank you. Good evening and welcome to our um board meeting community forum for our bond issue. Um can I have a motion to open the meeting? I make a motion. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I please rise to the pledge. I >> pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the stands one nation indivisibley and justice for all. Good evening. So, uh, welcome to our third, uh, bond forum. [sighs and gasps] So, we are at the point right now for the board of education and the community where we kind of identified, um, the needs of the district. I think we talked about that at prior uh, meetings that the the
002priority was to identify needs, things that have to happen. So, the administration got together with the architect and really identified things that have to happen in the district. Um, I'm going to go over some of them um and our numbers. So, um this is just a general uh sheet basically indicating each of the schools [clears throat] and each of the needs. So, we've identified, reminder, that the bond is $64 million, which is a flat uh increase or no increase at all. Uh 21 million of that for the high school, 8 million for the middle school, and John Marshall, 6 million for a total of $36 million. Uh that leaves us with approximately 27 million uh to get up to 64 uh which would be for the wants. The wants area and I'll get into uh
003the next slide after and I'll ask Sam to come up too. But our want areas uh and these are mostly were identified by the community, our staff, uh etc. 75 million uh wants for the the high school. Uh the high school Sarah didn't just tell me $75 million of things. [laughter] There are some big ticket items in there that came up. Uh middle school 6 million. John Marshall 6 million for a grand total of 88 million. Uh that brings the grand total uh of 124,93094. Uh again the bond is 64 million. the board of education will ultimately with the community's input uh select for the wants area what needs to be done. So let me just go through the schools a little bit. So um just an example uh of the high school uh in
004the needs area we've identified the auditorium uh concession area uh gym floor which is buckling outdoor bathrooms which need to happen. Um, we are not in ADA compliance for bathrooms. Uh, >> real bathroom. >> Yeah. [laughter] >> Roof gym uh uh for the auditorium and rear wing at a school uh security grid uh upgrades of approximately 1 million uh track uh resurfacing uh on the track out there. Then you start seeing wants. So the grand total again for the high school was $21 million uh for the high school. Then there came the the wants and again these are all community um input ideas. Again I don't want to just put it all in the community. We we thought of a lot of these things too that we're in agreement. Again I got an email today
005that suggested very similar things. Baseball bleachers. Bleachers cosmetology lab at the high school. Fitness flooring. Indoor athletic facility. Again, this why the high schools tight total of wants is a little high uh because that's 18 million uh jogging track which would be an external track around the uh school uh mechanical RTU unit which air conditioning and HVAC 2 million new pool which we have estimated at 43,680. I said this in the last um meeting publicly that we talked about 64 million being a flat no increase to taxes. The community and the board can also decide namely the board by put if we do not have enough money and there's enough interest in let's say a big ticket item like a pool uh we could conceivably put that up as its own proposition associated with a
006tax increase if that is the case. Again, these are in today's numbers. And Sam, what would you say about the numbers we're providing here for the community and the board? >> Uh, well, this is what they they trade. They call the fully loaded numbers. So, this is the construction costs as they are projected now, plus the fees you have to pay to your architect advertising for the bid, all the sort of overhead that goes into testing that would have to happen. If you're going to, for example, build a pool, you're going to need to engage soil mechanics to test the the earth where you're going to put it. So this is what they call fully loaded numbers. We talked about last time if the state legislature adopts that bill that's going to require a public
007uh entities in NASA and SUFFK to engage with a a unionized shop for a project labor agreement then what we will be able to buy for $64 million [clears throat] is going to be significantly less. >> When will we know that? Well, the number to take that to to answer John's question, we're being told that that number is probably going to be $40 million worth of purchasing. We'll still be spending 64 million, but we're only going to get $40 million worth of value out of it. When will we know that? I don't know. This legislature usually meets between January and June. They tend to not meet too much after June, but you know, this could be an item that gets puts folded [clears throat] into the budget and then we're not going to know till
008they, you know, that usually comes out. It's supposed to be April 1st. Sometimes it's late. Could >> So, we may not conceivably know if that passes or not before um we go out with what our list is. >> Yes, you they could pass three years from now and then it will still affect us. So, we need to just be I don't think there's anything we can do about it right now. I think we just need to be aware of the fact that >> at some point these numbers may be turned silent. >> Okay. >> And Sam, what would happen, you know, three years if the community approves, let's just 64 million. Let's say it's a 64 million. We've identified our needs. We we put a number of wants in there. What happens if you know
009midway through >> start cutting back on the project, the list of projects that we're going to do? That's option A. Option B is that the board would ask to go out to the, you know, go out to the community to ask for additional money. >> Again, we're still spending $64 million, but what that $64 million buys is significantly less. >> And what if you are already a project is already underway based on bids and everything else that came through. Are [clears throat] they going to exempt them? Do you think? >> I'm going to defer to your lawyer on that. I would I would hazard a guess that if we are in contract with a [clears throat] company the contract you're going to have to really >> abregate the responsibilities of the contract but if we
010have not yet reached a contract I imagine that that's where the problem >> that's my guess again I would defer to your attorney to analyze the legislation >> and just finishing up the high school uh we had people press box scoreboards that's Kathy's item No, we need to replace scoreboards. That number can significantly change with the type of scoreboard, softball turf, stadium lights, uh, and a redo on our tennis courts. Again, grand total of 96 million for the whole building. Wants were 75 million. Needs were 215. Middle school needs air conditioning, roof, boilers, fire escape, enclosure, mason, masonry. Security updates, again, $1 million. I I just want to be very clear with the security upgrades that we're looking at. I'm not going to get into specifics. We've estimated approximately a million dollars. Um, you can
011imagine the expense, but I uh as if JP was here, I don't think we could put a dollar value of the safety and security of our kids. These are upgrades we're looking for. Um, stairway glass, some windows, uh, auditoriums approximately 5 million. It's not it's not a redo. So, we spent time with the architect there about two weeks ago at the middle school. There are some really um nice features at the middle school that we wouldn't need necessarily tear need to tear the building apart. Um, so I mean, I don't know if you want to call it it's not cosmetic. It's a little more than cosmetic. Some of it deals with some of the lighting system that is quite dated. The rest of it will deal with the refurbishment. The you know the stage is
012the stage finish the bulldoze in front of the stage. That's the part of the wood that comes off the side with a rounded edge. Look at Greg here along with me. things like that. It's not a complete gun like >> uh so we the auditorium around there ENL classroom life skills uh middle school science lab uh came up uh I'm going to another school district who has a middle school science lab December to really determine what that entails. Uh this program has been established uh for years. I think Sarah and I Sarah's coming with it um to take a look at it um from the whole litany of middle school all the way up again. Uh subtotal for needs was 8,900,000 wants were 6,446 and total was 15,346460. >> Adam, the the three classrooms mentioned
013would be redoing. We're not looking to expand our footprint. >> No. But taking a classroom or the present science classroom that they're working and making it >> and upgrading >> and that would cost us 510,000. >> Yeah. Because you're I mean the middle school I mean the middle school in itself I mean you can it's very hard to compare the numbers between the schools. Um there's also things with state ed that get into it but the middle school we're obviously very restricted in what we can and can't do there. you're looking at the existing footprint and upgrading within that footprint. Life skills classroom, you know, that would feature into kind of what we've been talking about. We talked about a little uh bit last year about the development and evolution of our special ed programs
014and bringing kids back into district who we send out of district and housing that program in our buildings. We're working. We had a meeting today regarding that program with Springs and Amigans and M talk today. But ultimately those kids are going to progress and need a place to go and we need to upgrade do some upgrades again the science lab until I see the lab and a program existing. You know there's very you know even in our current lab that we just upgraded at the high school that we're still waiting for approval to start. There's very it's it's very cosmetic to a certain extent, but it's also adding the greenhouse. We're not looking to add a greenhouse externally to the uh middle school, but it it just basically we took two classrooms, upgraded, and made
015it dividable. Um everything can move. It's interchangeable. Sam, no gas, right? No gas. She didn't want gas. Um >> no, here at the high school in the new sight slide, no, there's no gas. And at the middle [clears throat] school, there would be no gas either. It's not, as Charlie tells us, it's not appropriate for the the curriculum that's that's studied. >> Yeah. So, it's it's really So, but I got to see, you know, an existing program. >> Um, >> what you're going to look at is a middle school program. >> Yes. All the way up. So, it starts in middle school, goes all the way up. Science research program. >> Great. Um, John Marshall, uh, we've talked about the class bathrooms, uh, sound system in the, uh, gym, uh, gymnasium. Uh, you could, John,
016as tell about the wall, please. >> I'd like to defer to Greg. [laughter] >> It's It's above the gymnasium. It looks like the windows that mount it section. >> Those need to be replaced. leaking system. >> Uh mason masonry repair uh some mechanical roofs again on the gym, the K-wing, K corridor, flat areas, million dollars for security upgrades. Some of the wants uh the gym floor. So, we actually debated this a little bit today. Karen's gym floor is actually Could it be better? Sure. But is it okay? You know, so we kind of >> it's not buckling. >> Yeah, this is buckling. Um gym stage, uh, kitchen upgrades, new classroom, which is our sensory space. We talked about, um, new, uh, came up today, putting a turf field outside, office renovations, uh, sound. Uh, we
017also had a question regarding the HVAC system in, putting dampening out there to reduce the sound. Uh, needs 6,444 watts, 6,187, grand total of 12631. Uh so and I'm sure the board will open this up. We are working on a uh survey. So what we are going to send to the community to help the board um make decisions uh going forward in the want we were going to I don't know if the board wants to go with listing all the wants or if you want to trim it. I I don't it's up to you guys how you want to do it and then the survey will get sent out and disseminated to the community as best we can. So obviously parentally and schoolwise it's very easy. I'll put we'll post it on the website. We'll
018possibly ask the newspaper maybe write a letter in um and you know ask the community for their input. Well, I think if we do list all of them, when we're listing these and people are clicking on them, they have to there has to be some sort of mechanism that when you get to 64 million, [laughter] you know, the 27 million. >> Yeah. >> That here you have 20, it has to be clear that you have 27 million. Um, you know, [clears throat] >> and I think Sam, did we uh did we uh put one in? Oh, so you did. It's on the last one. So, we put, you know, we'll obviously update this as a draft. Um, but in addition, we put, would you be interested to pay a tax increase if the district would
019want to build an indoor community pool, an indoor community auxiliary gym and fitness center, right? You know, yes. And then we also left an opportunity for somebody to write something else. So, you know, obviously Jen folks the first meeting spoke about an indoor track. Um that could that could be something that we didn't we didn't want to list everything there that somebody would be able to write it and we get the feedback on on that before but again >> right because the pool can't be on this top list because it automatically is more than the money that we have to spend. So that would have to [clears throat] be [snorts] taken off of the top list. tried very hard to lower the amount of the money and the needs to open up the wants a
020little more, but at some point, you know, the high school auditorium is 15 million. It's >> I was principal here for 10 years. The high school auditorium needs to be redone and it can't be redone cheap. It's got a lot of work that it needs to be done. It's from 1970. >> Um, you know, you only can take so many things off that are 500,000, 200,000, 300,000. Right. >> You can't I mean to just for example to start off when we started talking about you know people were talking about the pool idea the pool idea started at 30 million >> by the time our architect get got it seven eight months later it's now 43 million [clears throat] >> you know um and again we we talked about that idea I think I talked about
021it last time it's you know there are there are issues that are different than we're creating a pool here that is serves for would serve the community and our school at our school. There needs to be two separate lock locker rooms in there. There needs to be, you know, bleachers and stands for people to watch their children. There needs to be I want a classroom in there and office space for um, you know, pool director. I want a classroom. Tim has a great idea of creating a pool maintenance program there that we could certify our kids out. So, it's not just, you know, digging a hole and putting a pool in. So, it's kind of, >> you know, we got one shot at this. So we, you know, we can't add, we talked the other
022day came up, why don't we put an indoor track around the top of the um around the top of the pool if people want to do that. So those ideas, you know, really bring the price >> up. >> So it's going to have to go on a separate >> valid that would increase tax. >> Yeah. if you're looking at an indoor auxiliary facility. So, okay, you got to do a 30 by30 turf field indoor for practice turf divide it up at a basketball court measurements in on the divided up by a net. You need locker room space in there. Do you do you know we talked I don't know if I talked publicly there's there if you've ever been to Stony Brook University they have an indoor football field there. It's strong. It's not a
023masonry building. It's a it's a fabric building. It's not like a bubble, though. It's a fabric building that's pulled. Um, and then they build a lobby around it. There's a company that builds these incredible facilities that that that are at Stony Brook House, ice rinks, pools, and everything. I have a hard time saying I'm going to build that and put it in the front of the building. I think the people would not the community would not [clears throat] be happy about the way. It doesn't fit the landscape. >> So, I have to put that in the back of the building. So, it's if we if we did that in the board and the community decided that that's the way they want to go. If you want to do something more, you know, I guess aesthetically
024pleasing and you want to put in the front of the building, like a pool would have to be a masonry building and I think the price is going to go significantly higher for for that. But, um, you know, all of these things were, you know, taken into consideration and sent to our architect for his input and this is where we are right right now. So um I think that's it. Um but um you know this is I I mean it's a good it's a good problem to have. You know we have needs 20 something million now to spend on things we want >> and we need to balance the needs between it can't just be all sports >> you know. Yeah. >> So the auditorium is obviously has to be done. I think that's one
025thing that we all agreed on which is why it's on the on the needs. >> Um and we have three buildings. So I think cognizant that we have a really good mix of ideas here and I'm hoping that each building gets something. >> Yep. >> And all the buildings, you know, the principles were all included in all of the discussions. All the PTAs were included. I had a chance to go to Tim invited me to Rotary to speak uh to the community a little bit. Um again you know there's most of the ideas have been repetitive ideas of people all interested in similar things obviously a lot of them were were athletic >> science lab um you know had come up a bunch of times uh uh Bosey's uh cosmetology due to the success of
026>> culinary and auto >> and you know can we is cosmetology feasible so Sarah and I started that discussion on all right we need a big space we have to redo space, you're going to lose classrooms. Will our enrollment sustain a program if we're going to invest into a cosmetology lab? But we've had those uh preliminary discussions, which it's it's exciting to have because our kids now aren't going up the island for these programs and obviously the culinary and auto program have been hugely successful. [clears throat] >> Should we open it up to public comment or does anybody from the board have any other comments before we I'd like to hear from the public >> if anybody would like to come up and speak and give us your name and up to the podium. [clears
027throat] >> Hello, I'm Weaver, community member, parent employee. Um, I was wondering, would it be possible for you to back it to the John Marshall screen for a second? I just had a couple questions. So, one of the things that I've experienced for a lot of years at John Marshall is um kind of a space need. Um I think there's a lot of stuff going on at John Marshall. Um a lot of programs, a lot of grades. Um and it [clears throat] just it kind of feels like we're busting at the seams. Um, so I did notice like like this um suggestion here and I was just curious if you could go into more detail as to like what that means in your in the estimate. >> So car Karen, do you want to talk
028about we talked about a multi-purpose room? It came up um >> came up when we met with the PTA as well. Um there's not a space other than the cafeteria even when we meet with our staff. We have 70 teachers, 20 uh pair of professionals in the building. [snorts] So when we want to get the entire staff together, we're either in, you know, in folding chairs in the gym or really squished in the library. It's it's almost not even feasible. We do it every once in a while when we want to hear each other speak. Um [clears throat] so that like midsize room to host. So is this an addition? >> Yes, it expands for the book. [clears throat] >> Um I I think that that's a wonderful idea. I think that there's um like
029Karen, there's a lot of stuff going on at John Marshall. We're storing instruments in the hallway. We're having lessons in the hallway. Um, every year >> I um experience maybe somebody coming in and taking a look at my closet to see if it could be an office for [laughter] somebody some um so uh I I would like to see um like a look at the spacing at John Marshall and some sort of ether addition organization. >> Thank you. >> Sam, was there a thought as to where that would be? >> There's two fairly viable options that Mike has identified. Mike Wid, your architect, and you know, we [clears throat] have not scoped this at all. I don't know. I don't think Karen and I have discussed it. One option is that goes in front of
030the building by what I'm going to call the loop on the right hand side. Uh because there's a lot of space between existing building and where the parking lot starts. the [clears throat] other option. It goes as it goes in the back because there's space on the on the back end before it hits the property line there. But I think that the answer would have to be Mike's going to need to know a little bit more about exactly what the interior of this box that we're going to potentially add to the building looks like and [clears throat] what the intended purpose of that is before we do it. So, for example, if one of the purposes that you want to be able to have students there who may have physical limitations, you may want to
031put it in front because it's easier for them get off the bus. It's right there, not drag themselves all through the building. If it's going to make, you know, for music and big a big open space, maybe the back's more appropriate. So, we need to talk a little bit more about what exactly the needs are to determine where it goes. >> Okay. >> Anybody else? Hi there. I'm Kaitlyn McDonald. Has been in touch with Sam. Nice to see you. Um I live on Dayton Lane. I'm a [clears throat] mom and daughter of a school teacher. So, thank you for all your work. Um I my house abuts um the elementary school and I think I might be responsible for this line item, but maybe others have as well. Um, and I really have observed um,
032some noise coming from that facility um, over the summer season where my daughter is attending the YMCA camp and um, in the summertime that the cooling system needs to run full-time to offset the moisture and heat that's in that building. I was told um that there are dehumidifiers within each classroom and perhaps that the individual classroom units are not sufficient for the continuous level of use during that time period or perhaps um those units are just old and outdated 20 years it needs to be upgraded or adjusted for um the current use. So, I would ask the board to look into, you know, what's behind that, and hopefully we can make better air quality for the classrooms, have less noise to the um the neighbors next door, and importantly reduce the use of air conditioning
033units 247 for both taxpayer expenses on the operation side and then also the better environment. Um, so that's one point. If I could pause there if anyone had any questions and I'm going to follow up with Sam and some of the teams uh tomorrow to get more details beyond that. Um but then another separate idea that's related is um have we considered solar rooftop um power supply that you could perhaps issue an RFP to um different installers that could both provide uh environmentally positive power and potentially reduce the cost of operating these facilities to help offset some of the expenses. I think what's not carried through here um but that's also important when we spend the money on the capital expenditures on things like improving uh the air conditioning systems and the windows. You have
034better efficient buildings that will reduce the operating costs and utility bills. And um we know that the most one of the biggest categories of power demand is heating and cooling. This will be a big component. So um I'm guessing there is some math behind this that also shows you your utility bills will go down from the new systems that are installed. >> Great. Thank you. >> Yeah, we have solar on all the buildings. >> Can we do [clears throat] what's the solar? What do we have running at Greg? So, >> yeah. So, there is solar on all three of our school buildings. I think one of the things that you know I was talking about here and I've been correspondent for seven years. Greg can speak to this a new law in place that requires
035you know us to maintain a a maximum temperature in classrooms before the space cannot be occupied by students. So, that's one of the reasons why we have to make sure that we're able to achieve that. said it's 82 degrees. We have to start doing something implement fans opening windows and if it ever hits 88 degrees then states have to immediately leave the classroom. >> We have tried you know we we tried it last summer an idea that Kaitlin speaking about with Greg's predecessor my predecessor was to uh wrap some of our rooftop units at John Marshall with a sound dampening blanket. There's a limit to what the blanket will do. Um it works to a point and doesn't it doesn't you know Sam's going to uh [clears throat] but you know we can certainly have
036further conversations. I know we invite you to come to our facilities meeting tomorrow. I hope you'll be able to join us there. >> I will. Thank you. >> Mike will be there too. >> Mike will be there as well. >> Mike we are. >> I got a question. So it's the air conditioning units that are there's a noise problem. >> It's the chillers on the back. Um so it's a rooftop. Um, and it's both a noise a higher decel than what's acceptable. Um, but also there's a vibration. So, it's an attentance come. It's on 247 to your knowledge. >> We have not >> because we had complaints on this building and then we had an engineer come in and they said no it wasn't. not had sunsets come at least during my tenure here and
037I wish I could see Greg's face >> no only >> so where where are you getting your information that it's above the acceptable level >> um so the predecessor um >> his name >> Tony Deino yes so Tony Deino came by um with we know just Sal cell who's a facilities manager and >> they had a a woman take the decimal reading. And so Tony said that was ex, you know, exceeding what I understand as a commercial code, but I don't know how that applies [clears throat] to school districts because state versus it kind of went into nobody's [laughter] help at all like with your noise. >> Well, that's what Tony had proposed because I guess they did it at the high school, but then Tony left. There's a way to get in touch with
038him. He may know more. >> We we we did we put the blankets up last summer. I mean they're there. >> So you already did that. >> Okay. >> Um I understand point of view. I think there were other >> points of view this topic that don't necessarily need to be fully >> drawn out here which is one of the reasons why we we asked you to come to facilities. >> Uh you know I I think there are multiple points of view on this topic which are all important to hear. I think what we've learned from what we and what I'm talking about today what we've learned from sound sense the sound engineer we've used is at some point sound is going to find a way to infiltrate where it wants to go. So that's
039just you know we we have to keep in mind the needs of the building both in terms of maintaining the correct temperature for the student building and also to prevent the growth of new >> and we've had issues with that >> and that's a big deal in summer gets out of hand. These are all things a balancing of trying to find, you know, the most positive, >> right? So, we can't turn the air conditioning off because we have had >> no issues with that. >> It it's that it doesn't just run blindly. It's on a computer system that has it work in it most energy efficient way to maintain the temperature that we needed to maintain. So, it's not like an old system where it would just run continuously no matter what was going on.
040it comes on and off depending on what's going on in order to be what to hit the temperature where it needs to be, >> right? [clears throat] And not doing that also costs us a lot of money in the testing and the mold remediation and all those things. So, we really do need to keep the air conditioning on an appropriate >> I think that's true. I think that we have also learned and Greg can expand on this if you want that if you allow it to become too hot, you will actually use more energy and get it back down where it has to be the following morning. It's better to maintain certain rate. >> Yeah. Rather than ramp them up in the morning. >> Yeah. Rather than peaks and valleys which you know coincidentally talking
041about tax levels is also not a good thing. >> Right. >> Okay. Let's talk about it at >> facilities need. Is there anybody else has any comments? And also you can email us. We are getting some emails. So really detailed, well thought out. Um you know, >> so um that's boehschools.org, right? Is that our email address? Yes. Okay. >> Are there any callers on the phone? Uh >> please stand by. And this is Matt Chapman calling in from LTV. Just making 100% sure that phone lines are open and clear in which they are. And you have zero additional callers. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Okay then. Can I have a motion to adjurnn? >> Make a motion. >> Second. All in favor? >> Coming. Thank you.