001Okay, school board, we are live. We are recording. Phone lines are opened. Go for it. >> Thank you very much. Have a motion to open. >> Motion second. All >> in favor? >> Any opposed? >> Good. All right. To the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Thank you very much. >> All right. Welcome. Welcome people who are watching. So um this is our second of four bond uh for community forums. In the first bond form, we reviewed uh all the details involved with capital construction and the debt service. In this meeting, what the community and what the board is going to see is Sam will go over briefly uh some of the debt uh debt
002service requirements of capital construction real quickly. We'll show up show the one screen again and I will come up and display the needs uh the needs that we've uh accumulated over the past year year and a half. Again, I want to reiterate to the community uh to the board. There have been no decisions made. These are uh simply ideas that have been thrown out to me to various administrators. Uh we've also asked our administration to uh provide some input. So, we have them on a list and we will talk to them talk about them a little bit. But I'm gonna introduce Sam to come up and give a little brief overview before we do that. Sorry, my back is too. I apologize. So, all right. So, you know, we talked about this last time. Capital
003construction can take a number of different forms depending on where the money is coming from. But the bottom line rule that we need to remember is that capital construction only occurs when the voters have approved the plan. Um, and you can see various examples of how we've done that in the recent past here in East Tampa. Let's remember how we got here real briefly. In 2017, the district consolidated several older bonds. Those bonds are going to be paid off in a three-year uh step down beginning in 2029. So, we have an option here. We can replace that debt with new debt to take care of the needs and wants of the district for the next 20 to 30 years or we can allow that debt to expire. The needs of this district >> Excuse me.
004School board, excuse me. Can we please uh stop just for one second, please? Thank you. Sorry, school board. We are still live with the uh YouTube but I am not recording onto the file right now. Just please stand by. [Music] How was everybody's day? Okay, school board, thank you very much for the uh patience. Uh please continue on with your meeting. We are still live on YouTube and recording. Thank you very much. >> Thank you, Matt. >> Right. So, that was our first TV timeout set record for the world's longest traumatic loss. So, as we said, we can we can do nothing. We can let the debt expire, but the needs are not going to get any less need. The windows, as we've said times, the windows of the middle school are never going to
005heal themselves. So, by allowing the debt to expire, taxes will temporarily decrease. Probably for the average homeowner around $200 a year, but they're going to have to go up if we want the buildings continue to be habitable, which is why we find ourselves here. This is a unique situation where we are able to replace expiring debt with new debt in order to accomplish projects that are going to need to happen here anyway. It is inevitable. Anyone knows is you own your own home, you have to maintain it or it will deteriorate. So that's how we ended up here. In summary, we talked about our needs last time. They really haven't changed. You can see them here. We've identified these as needs because these are things that structurally or to be in compliance with things like
006uh Americans Disabilities Act or to simply maintain what we currently have, need to be refurbished, renovated. We list them out here and sort of the details there. And now I think we're ready. >> So these are the needs we've identified. administration working with the Arctic have identified your needs and here we are with the walls. >> Yeah. So I I think the the the list I mean it was a comprehensive list. You know obviously we hit all of the buildings people from all all I guess all walks of life have come up to me people I didn't know before and had said different things. So, a lot of it is athletic, a lot of it is, you know, building related, but you know, you can see, uh, additional turf field, uh, softball, turfing the softball
007field, an athletic facility, uh, meaning an indoor facility possibility with a track inside, auxiliary gym with a turf and a new fitness center, which would be a split uh, the idea was a split uh, kind of facility indoors with split smaller turf area and moving the fitness uh, center there. If you did that and moved the fitness center out of the high school, you'd be able to repurpose the high school uh fitness center. Uh that can go down to possibility of uh I think it's fun the cosm cosmetology lab uh which would be another CTE program or an electrical lab. Uh there's also a film studio, AV program. I edited recording studio. Our architect said there are schools that have that. Behore being one of them has a very comprehens comprehensive recording studio uh in
008the school. Uh you could see lights have been brought up before football field lights pool has been brought up multiple times uh with people bringing it up uh regarding swimming. Obviously that's something that's important to the community. Uh fitness center we put it fitness center needs a new flooring. We can live with the current flooring but it really needs appropriate flooring there. A uh AC system. Uh you could probably feel uh why um AC systems on there. Uh we have a system that you have to turn off and it runs on the same system. Uh we put that to the middle school too. Uh some secondh floor classroom u upgrades at the middle school. Uh in addition John Marshall uh we talked about a possibility of a expanded life skill set sensory type room uh
009for the students. uh office renovations, uh acoustics in the the gymnasium, the floor at John Marshall's auditorium, the stage flooring and possibly upgrades in there with sound uh additional sound system lighting. Uh and that would be also in the needs for the auditoriums. Uh the hallway flooring at John Marshall would needs uh some upgrading. But these are just ideas that people threw out to me. Um I didn't call any of them. I just threw them out on the the list for the board and the community to see. Um, obviously, uh, there are no prices next to them. Um, you know, there are substantial costs with certain, uh, items up there. I mean, I know offhand that there are estimates, you know, turfing turfing fields is not relative to this bond is not a big ticket
010item. Lights are not a big ticket item. um a pool and an auxiliary gym are big ticket items and to the tune of you know around 30 or or so million dollars or or possibly more. Um so these are just kind of general things to think of uh for the board to think about for the community to think about but again um they're exciting. Uh I mean any which way you go with these it's it's exciting stuff. So, uh um you know it's uh >> how is the um middle school science lab on there? >> Yep. Because that came up putting building a science lab at the middle school. Yep. Um so these these are this is the list and uh you know I think it's it's again these are wants. I think going back
011a little bit to the need component and I said this last time. If you look at the needs, you know, there are things here on this list that if Sam, myself, and Greg and uh with our architect, we we could possibly pull some of this to create more budgetary space, we could pull some of this off and look at it from a repair reserve, capital reserve perspective to increase the the the ability to put some of the bigger wants into uh the bond. Uh it's just a matter of us figuring out, you know, you don't want to deplete your capital reserve with one big project. We've tended tended to do two, three little or smaller projects like we did with the science side of the playground last year. Um and the repair reserve has been
012a godsend in this district and I know we're going to present uh more items even next board meeting. So that's uh but some of those things can create more space for for the wants. Uh how much space? We'll as we go forward I think in the next meeting we'll start throwing prices up there of things which we have a pretty you know kind of comprehensive list from our architect on current estimates. >> Sam remind me what's the amount of the debt is it 607 million was it? >> We feel that we can replace the existing debt and keep taxes approximately flat for most people with borrowing 64 million. >> I think we need to just talk about the pricing. I just want to throw this out there briefly. There is a a bill uh that
013was before the legislature in Albany in the last session dealing with uh requiring public entities only in Nassau and Sappa County to enter into project labor agreements with unionized workforces for any public work they do. Which means that with our public work with our capital projects or any projects we pay what's the state calls prevailing wage. states has a schedule of what we have to make sure that the contract workers the contractor's workers are paid. They're not necessarily in the union under the project labor agreement. We would be limited to hiring shops that are unionized workforces and we are getting estimates that that will increase the cost of construction together. So that we may that $64 million may only be able to buy somewhere about $40 million worth of work on a comparable scale. That
014is not yet the law. We passed in one house of the legislature, not the other. We don't know where that's going to head in the coming session. >> Just something to keep in the back of >> something to keep back of mind. Yes. >> Because that's also going to limit who we can use. >> Um and probably increase time frames because those people are going to those companies are going to be in demand. So just something >> and this is only Suffach County and Nassau County not >> as the way as as the law was written was presented in Albany in the last legislative session. The law only applied to NASA and Suffach counties where that goes I don't know >> we I mean my organiz statewide organization as opposed to the superintendent I think
015the business officials have also done the same. So we just don't know. We thought it was going to pass uh when it was up last time, >> right? It failed last time, right? >> And what may, you know, what may happen is that we may go to the voters with a plan for our $64 million spending. The voters, if they choose to approve it, you know, we said, and then if this law becomes law, we're going to have to severely constrict what we do in order to meet the new budgetary needs. We'll still be spending $64 million, but we'll be able to buy much less. >> How much? I know the auditorium at the high school is on our needs list, right? Not on the wants list. >> Do we still have an estimate for
016that? >> 15. >> Okay. >> Um, and what about the middle school auditorium? >> Is that on the needs list or is that >> on the needs list, but that needs to be fleshed out a little bit more in terms of what exactly we mean with that? We know from the high school auditorium that the the lighting, the sound, stage, you know, it needs to be abated. There's a number of things. What we end up doing at the middle school auditorium can be varied depending on what we want. Seats are relatively new. They can probably be, >> you know, held over for the renovated auditorium. Where exactly the lights and the sound system fall into that? Not sure. >> Okay. >> A lot of these things with the pricing, a lot of these things are
017a bit of a moving target. What exactly do you, you know, what do you want to get for that? Uh, briefly, this is, you know, we did this before, but just to to reiterate this, you know, for the public, no decisions have been reached. Obviously, the board is going to ultimately decide what gets presented to the voters uh in May. Um, board is obviously looking for feedback. We have two more of these workshops coming up. pretty much by the end of the calendar year, we need to arrive at a decision about what you want to see put before the voters in May because we have to generate working with the architect Greg and I have to be sure that there are environmental impact statements generated. These things do not write themselves overnight. It takes time
018particularly depending on what we end up doing, what kind of outside assistance we need in drafting those. So the timeline is here. The drop dead deadline for when the board has to vote to put this on the ballot is March 3, but the real work has to be done significantly before that. Pretty much, you know, by the end of the year or you're meeting in January, we pretty much need to be at the end. >> But our next meeting um we're going to have general rough numbers for the community. So, I'm going to make myself really uncomfortable here and say, um, once we have those numbers and because obviously it's very few people here, um, can we do some sort of survey, maybe a rank choice survey, something that can go out that we can
019get a little bit more inepth? Um >> because if if we come up with a with this list and we hammer out some numbers and we're still really not getting that much input coming back from the community. I would love to at least see us do, you know, even like fields and things like that where we a survey out and if you could list the items and even do some sort of rank choice where we can get a better sense of what the community wants because >> they may not take time to come to the meeting or email us. So everybody's put on maybe the high school. >> They're coming. We've invited formally invited to the the fourth meeting. It's during the day. So Sarah has been asked to bring a student association um to
020the meeting. >> So you will have the student student in >> it's great in that they're going to need to understand. We talked about this last time. It's unlikely that maybe the ninth graders will see some fruit of this. >> Right. Yeah, >> I I think we we put it out there. You'll have numbers. We'll call some of the needs out that we'll have some in-house discussion about what we can visa do feasibly with um some of the uh needs that that we have that maybe we could pull out for future projects for capital or repair, right? Um, but again, we'll we'll leave everything, you know, really the big ticket items obviously in there that that can't fill into the list. There's going to be strong strong reactions once people see a list with numbers.
021>> Yes. Um, but that's feedback that we need and we can't wait until last minute and have people come out of the woodwork and say, you know, >> excellent example was talking about if you closely, if you closely follow the needs list and keeping score at home, we have a middle school parking lot on it last time. We're actually able to pull that out. It's going to be part of our repair reserve presentation to you, >> next Tuesday. So, that is no longer narrow down. >> Yeah. And I'll give you another example because Jen Folks was here last meeting. So, we talked about track building a track, but Jen also brought up to me in an email track re the track resurfacer. I know it needs to be resurfaced. Jen also brought up the idea
022of putting a steeple chase in there, which I get. >> One can be done when a repair is the other needs more extensive work to track in the area over there. So, we have to talk a little bit with our architect. There's also some insurance concerns. I've been I've heard things but that's that might have to stay in um the scoreboards for example it needs Kathy needs new scoreboards Kathy wants the scoreboards from Madison Square Garden I can replace these scoreboards and make them look like this Kathy wants or the one from AT&T Stadium in Dallas that goes the whole >> but it's okay you you want to be you want to beat Southampton or you want to be under Southampton >> choice is yours I'll just tell her, >> but those are just and
023we'll have Kathy and stuff and and I think listen, you know, when we can do it and and if that's something the board and the community want, I don't see any reason why our athletic team shouldn't have what he puts out matters. Um why shouldn't we? So, but again, you you have to make some decisions with that because one's 50,000 and one's 350,000. >> 250 That's for yeah I think that's where we stand. Obviously you know this presentation like our previous presentation will post on our website tomorrow morning and Adam would be happy to continue to receive suggestions from the public. But we put the prices up here you know as you say next next time you know we you know still in the process flushing them out. You're going to you're likely going to
024see that a lot of the money is going to be taken with the needs and so then you're going to have to decide ultimately the board will have to decide where the priorities the district and >> so we may only get a couple of items on the wish list >> and yes I I think and and we have talked informally about it. I know I informally talked to board members about it, but there might be an item or two on there that doesn't fit into this bond that the board can always consider. If the community push is strong enough and the community wants it bad enough, then maybe it goes in a separate item resolution on the ballot and that would that in itself would increase taxes. But if the community wants it and the
025community wants to decide that they want that because they have to have, you know, an indoor football stadium, then you put it on there and they can vote. But it wouldn't be attached to the >> to the to being incredibly facious with that. But it's, you know, but that's the the community should decide that if they want it, you know. So, but and the board obviously would would lead that. >> But we've had very few community input on this. So this list is generated just from us hearing certain things but we need the communities and >> we have some people here tonight. Hopefully they have something to say. >> What did we hit? >> You don't have to say email or >> I think we've only had like two emails, right? >> I mean I
026I give it to I appreciate that the community felt comfortable enough over the last year as we started talking about it, coming out with ideas. Um, I I I also feel that people probably want to see some of the prices. I think they that's what they're looking for as we follow this. >> Um, but um, you know, again, feel free to email me. I no problem. I just add it on. And again, as ridiculous as I just made a statement about the field, no idea. We're not at that point of getting rid of ridiculous right now. Um, and nothing is ridiculous because it's all about scale and certain things. So whereas you could want something that's huge and $100,000 not $100 million, there are ways to do different things in smaller that could answer those
027questions. I mean Sandy and I have talked about auxiliary chip in the past 10 years probably and how do you get turf indoor for indoor for our kids to play or so you could do a split. There's there's all different combinations. So you know no idea is is out of control as far as our concern. Also, I wanted to bring out one other thing. We talked talked um over the last few years um about trying to put housing in the back for staff housing and now we've been informed that that's really not we can't make that part of the bond. We can't fund it through education. So, um because I know I had a few people Yeah. >> asking had somebody come last week last time to find out, but that right now is not
028something that's feasible because we can't >> No, we need legislation. It's not right. It's not part of education directly. So, we can't use the funds. So, unless someone wanted to >> donate a couple million dollars, >> um, >> you'd have to donate it. >> Part of this project, >> or you'd have to sell off the land, and I strongly recommend it against selling off any of our property, >> but we'd have to look for a legislative change, which I actually talked to John back talking to him. Um, so just if anybody's wondering that why that's not part of this project, >> that process would creep you more slowly than the state education process will. So, >> well, but then that might be something that we do have more land back there. So maybe, you know,
029we're talking about additional fields and things like that, you know, maybe that was part of the discussion we do in there. Anybody please have public comments? >> I do want to thank this evening part. >> All right. So, >> can I have a motion to adjourn? >> Matt, do we have any callers for public comments? >> Please stand by. And this is Matt Chapman calling from LTV. Just making sure that everything is up and running, which it is. And you have zero additional callers. Thank you. >> Thanks, Matt. >> Okay. Can I have a motion to adjourn? [Music] All >> in favor? >> Thank you. >> Thanks, Matt. 10.