East Hampton Town Board Work Session - 09/02/25

001to East Hampton Town Board. We are live. Great. Thank you, LTV. Good morning everyone and welcome to the East Hampton Town Board work session of Tuesday, September 2nd, 2025. Carol, if you could please read the roll call. >> Flight >> present. Council member Lee >> present remotely. >> Member Rogers. Council member called the Pemont >> present. >> Supervisor Burke Gonzalz >> present. If we could all stand for the pledge of allegiance. >> I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under indivisible with liberty and justice for all. So, we made it another season in the rearview mirror here. Uh, today's uh meeting starts with the public portion. We ask folks to kindly keep their comments to three minutes and then we

002have four work session topics. We're going to get a update from Jeannie Corrosa, our senior purchasing agent on bids. The interim executive director, Dodge Gladstone, is here to prevent to present LTV's 2024 annual audit. There'll be a discussion of the ADU construction assistance program led by Joanne Pilgrim and then an update on piping clovers with Samantha Sher. That will be followed by liaison reports and resolutions. So Carol, is anybody signed up? I Jason, is there anyone on the line? >> Um, we have no one on the phone lines right now. No. >> Okay. And if it's okay, can I just let me just double check the phone line just to make absolutely sure. >> Hello everyone. This is Jason calling from LTV just to show that the phone lines are up and operational and we

003currently have no callers. Thank you. >> Thank you, Jason. All right, so we're going to move on to topics. Jeanie, you're up first. Good morning. All right, just a couple of things this morning. Um, the first is sanitation, garage mold remediation, renew contracting, and restoration is the apparent low bidder for that one at the amount of $58,700. And then several notices coming up. First being the ditch plains dune restoration and the Lionsfield soccer goals, which are available this Thursday and next week. Um, we have sanitation scale improvements and printing of miscellaneous forms. And that will be it. >> Okay. Questions for Jeie? >> Okay, Jeie. >> Thank you. >> Thanks, Genie. All right, we're cruising right along here. Uh, now we have Josh Gladstone. Welcome, Josh. >> Thank you very much. Thanks to the board

004for having me here as a representative of LTV. uh and uh I'm here to present the 2024 report as uh drafted by my predecessor Michael Clark. Uh, as we begin, I just want to take my hat off and acknowledge two people. Uh, Frasier Daherty, the founder of LTV, who recently passed two about two years ago now. uh but who founded LTV uh with a visionary concept of uh free cable uh communication, access, civic engagement for the community by the community as a platform for communication, education, transparency, and government. It was a noble vision. He was a gadfly and a bit of a lunatic and also a brilliant man. And uh we're honored to continue the legacy 40 years later. And I'm also taking my hat off to Michael Clark, the executive director, who uh retired

005for personal reasons on July 18th after six years of excellent service to LTV and to the community. And I want to acknowledge publicly that he was a friend and a colleague and a champion to many organizations in the community, uh to many citizens of the community. He truly uh upheld Frraasier's vision and he has expanded LTV to a place of strength and vibrancy and vitality that that we find ourselves in today. Uh so I want to acknowledge Michael and thank him. Uh he brought me on board uh in the uh fall of 23 and I've been there as the creative director for the past basically two years. Uh, I'm pleased to serve as the interim executive director and I know the board is currently in the midst of a search process to find um Mike's

006um uh the next executive director. I'd be happy to be considered for the position, but we'll see what the board of LTV decides. So, with that in mind, I will move to the presentation of the 2024 uh annual report. If you can see it on the screen here. Uh and thanks also to the hardworking staff. You heard the disembodied voice of Jason Mau who you know well and uh and and Jason spearheads the team that has done so much work for the community both in broadcast as well as in making these government meetings happen at the village level and at the town level. So um the next slide please and I'll take us through. So the mission as I mentioned it's a uh LTV we provide a free speech television and media platform to share

007all manner of public communication education and creative expression within our community and the world at large and we do have a reach beyond the community and we do have a reach to to broadcast and share what happens in this special community with the world beyond. Our YouTube channel is thriving. Our purpose to allocate channel space and time to channels 247 currently on channels 1300 and 1310. It's a whole other issue which has recently come upon us, but we will uh we look forward to moving back to channel 20 and 22 where we've been serving for over 40 years. Um you can read about that issue in the press thanks to Jack Mottz. Um, we allocate channel space and time to East Hampton Town residents, nonprofit organizations with whom we partner uh throughout the year. Educators,

008we have a vibrant uh connection with the school and we're building upon that thanks to Chrissy Samson who has joined our team as a educator and communication outreach. Also developing a um East End news hyper local news uh division at LTV, which is something new that she and Mike came up with. Um, we provide channel space to governmental bodies to cablecast their programs. We record and live broadcast the meetings of the East Hampton Town, the East Hampton village boards, the zoning boards, the review boards, the East Hampton trustees. We uh broadcast the school boards. So, LTV is embedded in the vital activity of this community and the community governance. We provide event and performance space at our uh slightly dilapidated but spirited studios out in Wayne Scott. We provide performance space for community theater for

009uh artists of all ages, from all walks of life, from all disciplines, fine artists who are exhibiting on the walls of the the least known gallery in East Hampton, but one that we are developing right now for emerging artists, for fine artists, for video artists. Uh we have our studio 3 space that we're using for performances from everybody from the South Fork Performing Arts and the Variety Show and young school kids who perform with those groups all the way up to worldclass artists like Marilyn May 97 years old who opened our Hampton Summer Song Book and was the most ever featured artist on Johnny Carson show. So we're we're sort of a wide net that we provide uh musical events, forums, lectures, and other activities. The League of Women Voters has an event coming up

010in two weeks and that's just one of many local groups that we're partnering with this month including Ola and several local filmmakers who are presenting. Um, next slide please. the 2024 goals which Mike presented and which we I think largely attained and have surpassed as we've moved into 25 to continue to ensure public access to quality content and media services that educate, inform, and enlighten uh community participation encouraged in media services focused primarily on East Hampton Town. Uh our goal in 24 was to encourage the community to utilize the facility and the resources as a vehicle to get their messages out to the east end and we don't edit what those messages are. Free speech forum for all. Uh to that end, we will continue to focus on creating and implementing an awareness program to

011educate the community on the benefits of being involved with our not for-profit company. And we have done that in uh working closely with Word Hampton uh a locally based public relations firm that just moved into the village. And they've been an excellent partner in helping LTV to expand through uh social media, through um advertising and press releases. And I think LTV has grown tremendously since Mike wrote this in 24. And now we're at the end of our 25 summer season. And and we've seen a spike in attendance and use of the facility. Dramatic spike. Um our goals production to focus and support the production of formal and informal public access uh content. Uh our financial situation to secure sponsorships, underwriters, and grants, which we've done so and continue to do so. Um our technical and

012infrastructure, we have developed a 10-year capital plan. Um and uh we are modernizing. You can see that even now in this meeting as Jason remotely broadcasts this meeting across the community and that has expanded into work that we've done with MTalk uh and with the the Playhouse there and and also we are doing work with Southampton. Um we're recognized as a technological leader in the area uh in the area of of media and broadcast. Um and we continue to improve uh streamlining and adjusting the workflow uh avoiding uh repetitious work, trying to take uh advantage of time and opportunity for our very young uh and engaged staff so that they can maximize their efforts in hovering the town. Uh I think they're going to be at Maine Beach tonight, in fact, although I don't know

013if anybody else will be there. Um okay, next uh page please. You can take a look at production results. And again, this is a year old. Public access studio shows, 369, 22 government meetings, 36 schoolboard meetings, 19 community events, 32 community of uh community theater events, um 37 production workshops, 49 produced events, which ranged everything from film screenings to theatrical events, commercial rentals. So, we've made ourselves available both to uh local community groups as well as uh looking at a revenue stream for uh out of town production uh commercial rentals to come and use our facilities which are unique to the area. We've had last year nine art openings, 36 uh events filmed offsite by our crew, educational forums, film screenings, and then there's all kinds of details about about 50 shows that we did

014as part of our performance series last year. We did another 50 or or so this year. Next slide, please. Community support. Um, we provided full installation or installation support with broadcasting systems for the town. The Montalk Library meeting room, the East Hampton Village installation, um, uh, in East Hampton Village Emergency Services Building in order for the village to resume government meetings at their location last year. They've since gotten back to their own space. uh the town of Southampton Broadcast System Initiative. We've been assisting them and the Montalk Playhouse which just opened. We were a consultant for them as well. And and I want to point out at the bottom of the page, I think an important point, maybe it's the next slide. Um how is LTV funded? Not with taxpayer dollars. It is funded by

015Altis and the uh the grant that they have been mandated by the FCC to pay the municipality of East Hampton. And we just had a great meeting. Thank you Kathy Burke Gonzalez for meeting with us last week where we discussed um 2026 uh allocation from this uh franchise fee and and we look forward to continuing to work in partnership with the town uh thanks to this this FCC mandate. Um the equipment that we purchase every year also supported largely by this um outside commercial grant. Um you can see our financial position for 2024 was solid. Uh we're basically operating um pretty much at cost at $1.1 million. Uh 83% of that goes to programming. That means that we're not paying staff. We're not paying um costs that are not related to our mission. our mission

016to be of service for the community with programming and that's where 83% of our money goes to. Um and we're expanding upon that too. Um and then finally uh there's a lovely summation here at the end. LTV's importance to the east end as outlined by Frasier. I mentioned by the people for the people. Um we have more shows per week than any other public access station on Long Island. That's a point of pride for LTV and hopefully for the community. Uh we are belonging to the people of the town. Uh thanks to the founders, the board and the forward-thinking East Hampton Town and Village. Countless producers and volunteers which are a big part of our operation right now. We do today what we promised to do 40 years ago in providing community access uh and

017two television channels which the community can connect to for creativity and information. Uh we have an archive. There's over 25,000 tapes created by the people of East Hampton, ranging from serious debate to the eccentric and experimental. Can attest to that. Uh these tapes document a 40-year lifespan of the town. And we are in partnership still with the East Hampton Library uh in digitizing this archive so that it is available to all in perpetuity. uh our longtime uh archist Jeannie Henderson and I are meeting this week to review the next steps in the library partnership and again an important resource uh for the living history of our community. Uh we have our website ltv.org that is live streaming. Uh all the programs that are on LTV can be found on our website. Everything is transparent. The

018government meetings can be uh found on the website. you can go back and see issues that may concern you dating back a number of years. And um and we have a YouTube channel as well. Um we continue to have space available in studio 3 for debates, public forums, films, and performances. A lot of this content has gone on. Uh so if you can't make it to LTV during the season to see a show, we have the double advantage of broadcasting those shows for the community for free. uh so you can catch up on all of that. So um that's the presentation for 24. Uh we look forward to continuing to serve with you and for you and uh I'm happy to take any questions that you might have. I'll try to answer them in my

019one month tenure as interim exe. >> Yeah, I'll kick off firstly. Thank you to LTV. I mean I I like you said taken part in many kind of wide ranging events going on there and it's incredibly helpful. I I think for me one of the primary goals for your organization is as a new service provider um covering town board meetings etc. Um you know you you have the money coming in from the FTC. Do you see that as a potential liability in the future? Um you know where do you guys stand on that position and what's the backup plan if that does happen? >> Well that's a huge question. Um, we are in negotiations. Actually, the town is in negotiations with um with Altis, the cable company, through an attorney that is based out of

020Pittsburgh. And we had we were brought in on a meeting with them. there is uh a plan a foot for continued uh involvement with Altis and that this law will stay in place and that LTV is poised and and the town is poised to receive a continued funding at least for the next few years. Um and that's being negotiated what the amount is. I think it's it's based on a a percentage that's passed on to the cable viewer. And I believe right now Altist has come back to us with 60 cents of of every uh cable subscribers bill goes to fund this ongoing uh grant. Uh we are going back to them and asking for 99 cents. Uh we'll probably land somewhere in the 75 cents range we hope. But that will continue to provide

021a fund at least for the next I think the contract is three to five years. Um although what's happening is even though the rate to subscribers may be going up by pennies the number of subscribers to cable is going down and that's just as the market dictates people are more and more pulling the plug on cable and switching to streaming. So we're painfully aware of that. Um, and we are doing everything we can right now to expand LTV's revenue stream into areas of other production services. We are working to rent out the six studio spaces that we have. Uh we just did private shoots um for a number of high-end clients that came in and really appreciated the access to the excellent internet service that we have to the lighting and and uh uh camera

022services and the knowledgeable production staff that we have. They paid us a commercial rate for the use of these services. We have office spaces that we are renting out to um to local businesses as well as to other c uh cable franchises. We have um the Cuomo show has been renting out a studio for the last year or two and they're going to continue to be taping from there. We're looking to expand that uh as a regular ongoing um offering to other area broadcasters that can then base themselves at LTV. So, we hope that will make up some of the difference. Uh we're continuing to expand our performing arts series. Ticketing revenue has been strong. Underwriting for the performing arts has been strong. The building's not going anywhere even though it's a little falling apart

023and we're working to repair the roof right now. But we hope that some of these new avenues will make up for what we forecast to be a loss in in in revenue in the years ahead. Thank you. Um yeah, I mean keep us, you know, obviously updated on where you are with that one. Um you know the revenue streams I think are one kind of critical aspect. Um, you know, I I I acknowledge that we don't have access to viewing numbers for the cable subscribers, but we do have some insight into the number of people viewing it through YouTube, etc. Do we know what those numbers are and is there any way to potentially monetize that viewing as well? Um, unfortunately, my understanding is that we can't get uh numbers from Altis on viewership for

024the PEG channels, the public access channels, but we can get a sense of what our our hits are on YouTube. Uh, ranges. Some of our shows have a few thousand hits. I think the highest one maybe six or 7,000. Uh, and then they range anywhere averaging from 200 to a,000 hits. Um, I think we need a lot more hits to monetize it with YouTube to get advertising revenue. Um, we hope that we'll start to expand that with our Eastand News channel. We're hoping that we're going to become much more uh known as a resource for hyper local news and that that will expand on the internet our our clicks. Uh we have a number of young very social media savvy employees at LTV and what I have said to them in the last month is

025that I empower you all to be producers to be content makers to use the resources of this facility to go out and generate shows and content for Tik Tok and for Instagram and Facebook. Let's see if we can generate revenue uh content. Let you know no idea is too wild. Get out there. uh they want to hit the streets, they want to talk to members of the community, they want to cover sporting events, they want to be all over East Hampton. This and this is a hungry young group and I think they have the opportunity to do it. So even as our cable broadcast diminishes, I'm hoping that we can expand our usefulness as a social media content. Thank you. >> Yeah, Josh, I just want to say thank you. You know, I'm a longtime

026fan of LTV. I I I love what LTV has done from, you know, ever since I've I've known about LTV. um public access and the government meetings are obviously at at your core. Um and I think it's a huge um asset to the community that you're that you're out there doing that. But I've also and and full disclosure, I was on the board of LTV many years ago. Um and and I' I've seen you grow, you know, since my time there. You've done so many good things. Um you're being creative with the way you use spaces, I think, podcast, different types of media. Um, and it's a big building where there there weren't not every space was for studio space or or being used full fully. And uh, and I see you continue to expand

027and provide more access of different types to um, you know, all members of the community. Also, the the community and cultural events that happen there are a great way to bring people in. And um, I'm I'm very excited for the future and I I love what you guys are doing. news, the news channel that you mentioned. Um, and I think that what what ties into all of that is that you have a staff that are that are really passionate about what they do. Um, and when I was on the board, it was mostly different crew, but it was the same. Um, you know, as a community organization that's trying to bring people together, I think it really shows in the people who run it. And I've I've met some of your your more recent staff,

028and I think that you have a a real passion there um that feels very appropriate for for our community. and I'm just grateful for all that you do and I'm honored to be your leazison and want to support you however I can. >> Thank you and and thank you for your very recent help with our with our financial picture. Thank you for that. >> David, did you want to make any comment? I don't know if David's still there. >> I I am here. I I think a lot of stuff comes down to LTV for me is look at me here. I'm working remotely right now, not feeling so well. um this wouldn't have been done unless actually maybe co and at that time uh leadership at LTV while there might have been other individuals says

029we can't do this the leadership at LTV and your staff said we can do this just give us a moment we'll figure it out you did it so admiraatly to keep government flowing at that time and you continue to do so as I sit here remotely not feeling so great getting better um it's just it's just a proof in the empowerment of what you have over there and what I hope you can continue to continue continue to do. Thank you very much for your time. >> Thank you. >> And I I agree with my colleagues. I did have the the the pleasure of seeing Jeanie Henderson. She does these short films editing from the 25,000 tapes that are, you know, librared and stored there. And I had said at the time, I would love to

030have her come back and maybe she could put something together. I think she's got some really old town board meetings that I think would be a lot of fun to, you know, a couple of minute piece that we could screen here to just >> demonstrate the power and the depth of LTV. >> Done. So if you want to talk to her about that meeting this weekend and two years ago, you know, when you were hired to to be the creative develop development director was really exciting and you know, you with Michael have really taken LTV to places and uh thank you for all you do for our community. >> Thank you. >> Recommendation. We're here. >> My apologies. Uh before Josh, before you go, uh pardon me. I may I just respond to Councilman Flight's

031idea of the monetization of the YouTube channel. I just wanted to clear that up for two seconds if that's okay. >> Sure. >> Yeah. The only thing that we have a problem with with that is that a lot of it is produced by our own citizen producers that we put on our own YouTube channel. So, us monetizing on their behalf would wouldn't necessarily be okay or kind of tricky. But, we do do a bunch of independent productions and small documentaries that we're doing that we're trying to submit to festivals and put out there on our own. So, I just wanted to address that in a in a way that was fitting. >> Yeah. I think you you did a very good one recently on the Southern Pine Beetle, I recall. Is that correct? >> Yes,

032we're it's still under production. Um, we did one uh kind of big talk and now we're doing more of a traditional documentary that's going to be uh pushing out there for the rest of New York State. We're trying our best. Um, so anyway, that's just an example of it. I just want to make sure that was 100% clear. Thank you so much. >> Yeah. And I think it might be tricky because a lot of the content is government. So, Right. >> Exactly. Yeah. And but because of open meetings law and whatever you we have to make these shows available to the public and it might cross some lines monetizing that. All right. >> Thank you. >> Thanks Josh. >> Thanks again Josh. >> Okay. So now we're up to our third topic and we welcome

033Joanne Pilgrim our community development program analyst to lead the discussion on the ADU construction assistance program. >> And Joanne Chelsea's running the slideshow from upstairs. So if you needed to change the slide just let me know. >> Okay. Thank you. Good morning everyone. >> Good morning Joanne. >> Um so the board is going to be discussing once again the concept of um issuing construction assistance loans for people to create uh accessory dwelling units uh which are affordable apartments essentially. We call them ADUs. Excuse me. Um and Chelsea you can go to the program objective. We'll talk about um why you're returning to this discussion and what has changed. um as we go along in this uh currently proposed iteration. Um so essentially the program objective is um it's designed to create affordable rental housing for

034East Hampton residents by assisting homeowners with the cost of ADU construction. Next slide. The ADUs, excuse me, ADUs would be one or twobedroom apartments that are constructed on eligible residential properties and they would provide affordable housing opportunities for moderate income tenants. Excuse me. They can be attached to an existing residence or they can be within a detached building and they can be added to properties that meet the East Hampton Town Code section criteria for the addition of these types of apartments. Those criteria are currently under discussion by the town board uh and may be changing. Currently, there's a minimum of a halfacre lot size um for the addition of these types of ADUs. Um and the discussion is um is surround some of the changes. One of the the changes regarded that are being uh

035reviewed is to allow an attached ADU on a minimum lot size that's a little smaller at 15,000 square ft. So an ADU construction loan program would provide needed capital for property owners to add an ADU. And the next slide goes over the proposed loan program criteria. Um, this would be a deferred payment, no interest loan of up to $100,000 coming from the East Hampton Town Community Housing Fund that would be used to help construction of an ADU. The ADU would be have to be made available to rent under the town affordable ADU program guidelines for a minimum of 10 years. There would be year-round rentals to eligible tenants, and that's East Hampton residents who meet income qualifications. and we'll go over that in a minute. The rent could not exceed the current affordable housing rents

036which are tied to the housing and urban development fair market rents. Um at at present 130% of the fair market rent is the maximum and the apartments would require an annual annual rental permit from our office of housing and community development. Um the the revised criteria calls for the loans to be paid back in full upon future sale of the property. The original iteration of this program that was last discussed by the board last fall called for partial forgiveness of up to 50% of the loan after the apartment was available for rent um for 10 years. And that raised some questions about possible federal tax implications which I'll refer to a little bit later. But out of concern for that, um, the board decided to seek a ruling from the IRS on that question, and

037we're now looking at a program that, um, may mitigate or, uh, eliminate that federal tax issue. The eligible tenants, again, would be East Hampton residents. Um, that would be defined as current East Hampton residents, non-residents who have been an East Hampton resident within the past 5 years or someone who works in the town of East Hampton. And the income qualifications are pursuant to what's in the community housing fund state law. So, the tenants must meet those income qualifications currently. Uh, and they're tied to um they're tied to a benchmark that has to do with Sunny May uh loan system. Currently, that's $187,440 for a one or two one or two person household or $218,680 for a three or four person household. The next slide just talks about who would benefit from this. Um, the ADUs

038would create safe and affordable housing opportunities for year-round Eastampton workers and residents. They can also serve as a source of income for East Hampton property owners. Um, they can provide housing for family members of property owners who meet the tenant eligibility criteria. And the no interest deferred payment ADU construction loan program could make it possible for more East Hampton households to add an ADU. So the previous discussions by the town board of an ADU construction loan program resulted in widespread public interest. Um our office had received a number of inquiries uh regarding that. But as I said following the discussion last fall, the town board decided to seek a ruling from the IRS regarding the federal tax implications for property owners recipients of ADU construction loan assistance and that ruling is pending. Um the revisions

039are designed to mitigate or eliminate possible federal taxes due. Um and we we had a similar ADU construction assistance program that was offered by New York State, the plus one ADU program um in 2024 and that drew numerous East Hampton applicants I think in the in the 80 80 plus range somewhat around that and they're they're able to fund 15 grants through that program. Um, where are we? Yep. The Community Housing Advisory Board for East Hampton endorses this program as proposed. Um, they discussed it on July 23rd, 2025. Um, they recommended the income restrictions on tenants, which are nonetheless required under the community housing fund law. They did not recommend placing income restrictions on the property owner loan recipients. and they recommended that that there be rigorous enforcement of the town code regarding use of

040the ADUs to ensure that that housing is serving the intended population. So questions and next steps. I'll just review the next steps and if the board has questions. Um so with town board approval, we can pretty much institute an ADU construction loan program immediately and open it up for applications. the town board would have to approve a particular allocation of funding from our community housing fund for this program similar to what you did for the firsttime home buyer uh down payment assistance loan program. If you have any questions say that say that again Joanne. >> So um for the firsttime home buyer down payment assistance loan program the town board approved an allocation from our community housing fund of $600,000. So, while we could open up applications immediately, we would need the board to take

041the next step of deciding how much you'd like to allocate for this program in this year and uh pass a resolution doing so from the community housing fund. >> Okay. I mean, do we So, when we first rolled out that the down payment assistance, we had to do public hearings, right? And that was a $30,000 uh loan amount or uh this is a h 100,000. Is it foreseen that this is going to go through public hearing because the timing isn't as you know you're not have you know breathing someone's not breathing down your neck to to close. >> I think we could do it one of two ways. is I think that um basically to spend CH funds it has there has to be a public hearing involved and so you're right when the first-time

042home buyers program first started each individual loan went to public hearing that was cumbersome in that process and so they budgeted a certain amount with particular criteria um and now you it can be done administratively and so that was you know I think that would eventually be the idea here if you're more comfortable in the short term with having individual hearings for each loan we certainly could Um I I would be okay with budgeting a certain amount if if if Chab was. Um because I think we have criteria we would know exactly um what would lead to a yes they're eligible for the loan and um so I would be okay to to budget a certain amount um but open to either idea. >> So has they has Chad discussed how much money they were

043looking to >> when we previously talked about this they had talked about a million dollars 10 loans of $100,000. um they have not revisited since we have sort of we paused this for a moment but um they would certainly weigh in on that. Um it's just a matter of of speed I think unless we were uncertain of the criteria or whether somebody would be eligible for a loan but I think the way it's written if you know if somebody you know qualifies they're going to get it almost automatically so it would just shorten the time period. >> Yeah I I would just echo your sentiments on this. I mean, and it's come before the ADU committee. You know, the million was discussed in that as well and kind of thought that was a sensible amount

044of CHF funds to be allocated towards this. Um, fully in support of this moving forward. >> Yeah. Yeah. Joan, just generally, I'm I'm, as you know, I'm I'm very supportive of this program. Um, I think there's a huge need for affordable housing that we've all recognized and this is just, you know, one extra tool. Uh, I think the success and the interest in the CDLI loans were sort of eye opening that a lot of people want to do this and and frankly I think individuals and more people wanting to help to contribute to affordable housing stock is a really really positive thing. Um, I think we're lucky to have the CH fund that the voters voted on to, you know, make a real effort to to um increase our affordable housing stock and CHAB has

045been very supportive, the community housing advisory board of using that funding for loans um, such as this. I think a couple of points to to note. Um, the idea of this being a loan, not a grant, would help the potential tax liability because there's no it can't be considered income except for maybe some small amount of interest that wasn't charged. Um, so I think that there's we've derisked that enough to move forward without have putting any, you know, applicants in an odd position with unexpected, you know, income. Uh, the idea I think one thing that we need to talk about is this was supposed to mirror the firsttime home buyers um, program where that loan is not repaid until the house sells. The logic being that we don't want somebody to be to do this

046and then get themselves in a position where they can't repay it. I think that's something we need to consider if we want to have it repayable after 10 years or after a certain period of time um at any kind of transfer of the property or just upon sale. I'm okay so long as the ADU is being used for affordable housing with all the qualification for that loan to be, you know, a loan until the time when a property sells. The idea being that when a property sells, somebody probably has some equity in that and we can then use that money for, you know, a new 80 loan or some other affordable housing um initiative. I also agree with Chab about the um income restrictions. I think the tenant obviously has to be income restricted because

047that that's what the definition affordable housing is. In terms of the owner, I don't mind if any homeowner in town, regardless of their income, wants to, you know, build an affordable housing, an ADU, an ADU unit, I'm I'm supportive of that. And I don't think I think we want to cast a wide net and open the door for as many people as possible to help contribute to addressing this issue. Uh, and I just want to say another thing about this program that excites me and I think is nice is individuals can can take things into their own hands. So, we all know people who can't afford to stay here, and we all acknowledge this problem. Uh, and the town has done great things. There's nonprofits, the housing authority have done great things to try to

048address affordable housing. But the idea is that individual homeowners can in their own place when they meet the demential regulations also help. And that that we can help with loans to, you know, give a spark to that I think is a really, really good thing. Um, the other last part I want to mention because it always comes up and it's really really important is enforcement. I think everybody's wants I think most people acknowledge the need for this and are supportive. We're concerned about them being misused and and I share those concerns. I think our code language is very very strong in that it says basically if you don't have a valid permit for an ADU which which requires going to the office of housing community development that this would be considered an illegal apartment. So,

049I I think that our code is strong and that if somebody decides to just rent this out as a summer rental, we have tools that we could use. Now, I think we're going to have to develop those into the contract to make sure that if we're giving loans out, you know, it's it's ironclad. Um, but I just want to acknowledge the enforcement piece because I think that's an issue, but I'm confident that we can address it and I don't want to let that be um I don't want a fear of of enforcement to be the reason that we don't move forward because I think this is an appropriate program. I agree with that. Just the one piece I I want us to be very clear on with you know applicants as they come into this

050is you know what is the timing um regards to the release of funds and requirements of permits etc. So is it when someone submits their you know building plans etc and that approval comes in the permit comes that's when the funds are going to be released. I think we just want to be very clear with that. that I know we've run into that a little bit with CDL1. Um, you know, so just that's an important piece of this as well. Again, I don't think that should be a delay. I just think we need to be very clear and communicating what that is. >> So, can I just do a couple of hypotheticals because I've had some folks reach out to me about this. So, let's say a couple wants to build it for their son

051and he meets the, you know, the criteria cuz he's moderate income, but a year or two later he gets married and now with the two salaries together, they don't meet the definition of moderate income. Are they if it's family, but are they forced then to to move out and rent to a moderate income tenant? I think I think it's a good it's a good point. Well, Joan, I don't know if you have an answer. >> I was just going to say that, you know, I guess we would have to decide and sort of bake that in what would happen, but there is a model that's in place that's used and I'm not as familiar with the section 8 uh housing voucher program, but that also has income qualifications and they do have policies that give

052people a certain amount of time. I believe if they if their income maxes out, they're not immediately removed. We could look at that. Um, but again, I think the town could decide maybe if it's for a family member, it it would be, you know, a different situation than if it was a regular tenant on the open market. But, >> and this came up with the proposed affordable multiple residence legislation as well. I think it's a really good point because I think that we don't want to have, you know, a really hard line where somebody qualifies one year and the next year can't. Um, I believe community that the CH law allows for people to stay if they initially qualify based on our home ownership program. And so I would propose having an AMI that's higher.

053We talked about 150% instead of 130 or even 180, you know, so you can make a comfortable in this in the scenario that you mentioned, somebody getting married. Um, you know, depending on the number of people in their household, that might actually bump up their allowance too because more people are allowed to have more combined income. But I do think we should have some overage. I mean, at a certain point, if somebody's a millionaire, you know, I don't know that we want them to stay forever, but I think that there should be a generous amount. So, it's currently 130%, maybe it goes, you know, you qualify after initially qualifying at 130% AMI, you could stay up to 180 or something like that. >> Yeah, I I would be supportive of that concept. I mean, simply

054for the fact that look, the der of housing doesn't just affect people at the 130. I mean, we, you know, if you're at the 180 mark, you're still going to have trouble finding a rental and certainly not going to be able to purchase a property out here. So, you know, if we give people flexibility with regards to it, I think it's a it's a good move >> because that's tied to the community housing fund law, I think we'd have to look at how much flexibility we could have. Um, and it also brings up another question that that that benchmark that it's 100% of the Sunny May loan program threshold for income um was put in place when the housing law when the community housing law was adopted several years ago. And there have been a

055number of instances where I've discussed with people who could have been applicants where there is that that uh area where they're just making too much to qualify for a community housing fund program. That's a state law question that the board might want to take a look at and advocate for possible future changes to for that to change over, you know, to go up yearbyear a little more than it has been. >> And the other thing that to point out is is that this is an important issue to consider, but it it it applies to commercial affordable apartments and any sort of rental apartments that the affordable uh that the housing authority does, you know. So, I think that there's this issue is already being addressed and Katie Casey has commented on it that people aren't

056getting kicked out if their income increases slightly and I so I think we would mirror um what they're doing. But if we want to put an official number on it, which I think is a good idea, I think we should work towards that at the next goound. And of course, I defer to the council attorney's office on what we can do. [Music] >> I just have two comments if you don't mind. >> Yeah, please. >> Sorry, Joanne. Nice to see you. Um, I agree with Ian about the enforcement is one of the key factors here. I like the discussion that we just had about the income qualifiers. Uh, the only thing is, you know, in in a c circumstance where this ad where an ADU might be extinguished by the property owner that doesn't want

057to use it for the future. I think that should be also the trigger for the repayment of the loan too, not just on transfer the sale. Uh, hopefully it doesn't happen, but I think we should qualify that too. Thank you. Dave, you're you're you're absolutely right and it is that that the ADU would have to be in good standing for the loan and and we it would trigger repayment if they that they let their permit expire which would mean they didn't have a tenant. >> Perfect. Thank you. >> So Ian, are you now going to go back to Chab and you know the board is supportive and have them make a formal recommendation as to what the allocation should be so that we could um >> I think we would what I would propose I

058think that you know we should talk to and um I think we should talk to to council to make sure that that you know everything in here is is perfect. Um Britney Tannono has been helping and she is sort of new to this legislation. Um so there might be some minor tweaks I think we revisit again but no I think we could adopt the program just to let people know that this funding is available. people could start to apply by the time that process happened. Either they could we could have individual public hearings for their loan or have a budget in place, but I think we could pass the details of the program ahead of having that um that budgeted because >> ideally I'd like to see it kind of run concurrently with the other

059code changes we're doing to ADUs just to kind of open the pool of people who can, you know, be eligible to this to a wider group. Well, at at a $100,000 alone, you know, 10 people, like as you said, is a million dollars. I mean, the money is gonna that's a substantial amount of money. >> But currently, as we stand with the ADU restrictions, it's only people on larger lots, typically higher income, who can build them. So, as we look to potentially lower the lot size that ADU is allowed to be built on, it's just it's enabling people potentially on lower incomes to have access to that funding as well. Do we have an estimate of what it typically costs to do a freestanding ADU? I thought like was CDLI was that 125 125,000 >>

060of people who submitted interest forms to CDLI was between 80 and 90,000. Okay. >> And also if we're concerned about the overall budget, we could change that number. That was a number that thought that, you know, that was thought to be reasonable for what the cost would be. Mhm. >> Um, you know, we don't have to, you know, contribute 100% of the cost. I I think it's a good number and I think it's a good place to start. Um, but you're right based on the previous interest that there will probably be 10 people who are interested pretty quickly. >> Yeah. >> Which would be a good thing. >> I I think, you know, just in regards to that number, I mean, look, I building an ADU on the town's perspective for a loan of a

061100,000 is probably the the most economically efficient way for us to get housing into the market. Certainly when we look at other projects we've done, you know, the dollar amount per unit is significantly higher. So this kind of public private partnership where it is a loan and the money is eventually coming back to the town to me like look, if it works as a model for homeowners, this is where we should be putting more and more of that money. There was some discussion at the recent CHAB meeting about going forward for next year actually um having enough funding for this program to do more than 10 loans. I think they were supportive of actually increasing that from what I remember. >> Yeah, I think you know I think that basically I would that sat satisfies

062the public hearing need. So, if we do 10 and then we decide to do more, we could. >> And they may be. I don't think that they had anything concrete. Um, >> that would obviously be they would give us a recommendation and ultimately up to the board how much we wanted to allocate because as great as the community housing fund is and as exciting is to have that funding. Um, it's not enough. You know, we have a big big problem and and the money that comes in and we can't spend it on everything. So, we do have to be thoughtful. >> Okay. So, I guess you're going to take this back to the attorneys and uh have them >> Yeah. And to Tom's point, yeah, I hadn't thought about Tom's point, but if we are,

063I know that there's some changes that are close to being ready for discussion. Um my thought was to release this program as soon as possible to to start taking applicants. But I understand what he's saying, which is if we're going to open the door to a lot of other people who might be more in need based on the size of their lots, maybe we want to do that concurrently. I you know but in any case I'm going to keep this keep this moving and try to get it in a form that's ready to go and it sounds like their support. So I will talk to Chav at the next meeting about a formal budget recommendation for how many and what the total would be. >> Great. Great. Thank you. >> Sounds good. Thanks Joan. >>

064All right Samantha Sher come on down for your piping clover update. Welcome. I think this is your first presentation before the board. It is >> well welcome. So Chelsea's running the the from up from upstairs. So when you need her to advance the slide, you just say it and she'll do that for you. >> Okay, sounds good. Um so first just first off um we have these promotional items that we were hoping to use at some of our um outreach events this summer with our federal partner. Um but they were a little short staffed this year and we weren't able to have it. So, please have a leash and a magnet um in support of the clovers. >> Great. >> Thank you. [Music] >> Awesome. Great. Let me go. Cheers. >> Um so, good morning

065supervisor and um council members. Um my name is Samantha Sher. I'm an environmental analyst with U natural resources and I along with Emily Klene am uh co-managing the Clover program here in East Hampton. Um so our overview of the program is that in the 1980s the town took over responsibility of the endangered species program. Um, so it was no longer under federal regulation and we could just have partial closings of the beaches to things like beach driving and um, you know, other like recreational stuff as far as the um, birds go. And um so we have volunteers and staff regularly monitoring the beaches throughout the week throughout the summer between April and August um to manage the birds and make sure that they're safe along with everyone um being able to still enjoy the beaches.

066So, we remove the fencing and reopen beaches once the chicks have fledged or the um areas are no longer inhabited if the birds choose to leave the area um and don't have any success. So, the partial closures are instead of full closures help protect the chicks while maintaining public access. So, town law states that the East Hampton Town prohibits the disturbance or endangerment of any protected bird nesting areas on the beach. No person shall alter, move, remove or tamper with any fence, rope, flagging, design or designating areas. Nor should anyone permit a horse, dog, cat, and or other animal to be inside the bird nesting areas. We also have section 9 of the endangered species act um prohibits any person sh subject to the jurisdiction of the United States from harassing, harming, pursuing, hunting, shooting,

067wounding, killing, trapping, capturing, or collecting listed wildlife species through this act. the piping clover is protected. So essentially the piping clover is a small white and gray shorebird. It's got orange legs. Um they have an orange tipped black beak, distinctive black bands around their neck um and between their eyes. So the males have a much uh thicker black band throughout the breeding season. And the females also have the band, but it's not as thick, which is how you can tell them apart. Um the fledglings don't have any of the black band. and um their beaks are completely black instead of orange. So there's only about 6,000 to 8,000 piping clovers that remain in the world. Um they're federally threatened, but they're still New York State endangered. And as you can see on the pictures, I

068believe the left bird is the male and um the middle one is the female and the fledgling is the one on the right. So, a lot of people get all the shorebirds mixed up and um one of the most common mistaken as the piping clover is the sanderling, which is in the top right corner. Um they're normally seen in large groups along the waterline. Um they have a longer black beak. They're slightly larger and they're brown. Um the top left picture is a killed deer, which is also commonly mistaken as a clover. They are not endangered. um they have two black bands around their neck instead of the one and they're brown and with a black beak. So um the bottom left picture is a lease turn and they're similar in size to the clovers.

069They are also um still protected. I believe they might have just left the list but in the last few years, but they're still protected and we monitor them. Um so they're similar in size to the pvers. They have a black cap with a white triangle on their forehead and a yellow beak. um they nest in about the same area as the clovers just right on the beaches. And we tend to see that um in areas where the turn colonies nest, the birds, the pl the clovers have a higher success rate because the turns are quite aggressive um and will dive bomb any predators. So their predators are clover's predators. Um they you can tell them apart as far as their nest. It's quite hard, but they only normally have one to two eggs, and their

070their eggs are slightly longer than the clover eggs. Um, so the clover's defense is just running in the opposite direction of their nest. Um, or doing a broken wing, which is on the bottom right corner. Um, and that tries to get you to just distract you from where their nest is actually. Um, and like I said, the turns will actually dive bomb you, so you don't want to get anywhere near them. and common turns which is the middle right picture. They're larger than lease turns. They have a full black cap and an orange beak. And we also monitor for them every year as well. So typically the breeding season um the clovers arrive between the end of March and the beginning of April and they establish their territories. By April their pairs would have formed

071and their nest sites are established. Some pairs um are incubating nests which is approximately a 27-day incubation by May and um most nets nests are hatched by the end of the month of June. Some of the late nests and or re nests if the first attempt was not successful um are fledged by the midmon of July and sometimes August. So the last young are fledged and the birds tend to leave by middle of August to start their migration south. Um so the map on this picture is the East Hampton Town. So we monitor approximately 18 miles of bay and ocean beaches which include all the beaches within the town except for federal, state, and county own land. Um, so this is not the most act the most up-to-date map, but it's a it's approximately every

072dot on there is where we had a nest this season. Um, along the ocean was a lot of losses, but the bay had quite a high success rate. So the typical timeline of our clover fencing and the season itself is um we predict the sites every year. We have sites that we've had birds at for the last 5 years and it's the exact same pair of birds. Um so at predicted sites and historical sites we put up fencing the last week of March and the first week of April according to federal regulation. Um, and then as we see other clovers in areas that we haven't seen, we put up additional fencing. So, they normally do scrapes, which is the top right corner. It's kind of hard to see, but um, that's essentially a nest without

073eggs in it. And sometimes they will do 10 plus just to find the perfect nesting spot. Um, their eggs are laid directly on the sand, often lined with rocks and shells. And they lay one egg every other day until the clutch is full, which is four. As I said earlier, their incubation is 27 days after a full clutch of eggs. And after they hatch, it's about 25 to 35 days before they can fly and are counted towards our productivity for the year. The fencing is taken down beginning in middle July to the end of August based on whether the sites are inactive or if they have already fledged. So, our fencing and signage, it we have two different types of um signage. So when there are only nests present, we tend to have the upper

074portion of the beach closed down with signs that say please don't enter dogs um vehicles and we normally have a walk path that allows people to walk by. So once there are chicks involved, they are very um preosial and they will walk in tire tracks, get stuck in tire tracks. They will walk from the top of the dune to the water line and in you know just right up to the water. So that area is completely closed off to dogs and vehicles. Um they often are camouflaged so you can't even see them and sometimes we have trouble seeing them. So if we can't see them we assume that other people can't see them. Um and the length of the fencing is based on their clover uh movements and whether or not they're successful. Timing of

075the fencing is based on clutch completion dates. We normally put up the extended fencing for no vehicles a few days before their hatch date so that if they're going to hatch over the weekend, we know that they're at least protected. Um, and if a pair is successful on their first nesting attempt, the beach access will open much sooner, especially at sites with only one pair. So, every year, our data includes um JS plotting of the map like I showed earlier. Um, so that helps us determine if nests are a new pair or sometimes if they're not successful, there's, you know, a second nest or even a third nest and we can see if it's a re nest or if it's a completely different pair of birds. Um, same with every year they tend to um

076nest in the same spot. So at little Alberts, they nested in like the exact same spot from the dune everything as last year. So that was really cool to see uh that they can actually just remember those exact spots. So we report to the New York DEC. Uh we do a nest story which is um essentially we're plotting everything that we see um vehicles, dogs, any other predators and like the time of day we go out. Um we also do the Long Island Colonial Waterbird survey. So this year we ended up doing the waiting birds as well. So we did go, skimmers, turns, herrings, clovers, and um oyster catchers. And that's super fun um because we have to hit up all the beaches again in addition and count all those. And there are some places

077where there are a lot of turns and they're really hard to count. Um so we work with US Fish and Wildlife, uh the ones at the Amigansit Refuge. We do a lot of work with them. Um, we were going to do an outreach event this year, um, that we didn't get to do. It was called Dogs and Donuts where we essentially invite people with their dogs before, I believe 9:00 a.m. is when it's closed for dogs. Um, and we'll give out donuts for people. We have dog biscuits, and we give out the leashes, magnets, and other things to help people understand why we ask for the dogs to either be on a leash or and to not enter the area at all. Um, so the data allows the town to make informed conservation decisions about

078the piping clovers and allow public to continue using the beaches. If successful in previous years, individual birds will return to the same nesting area. Um, these we have seen at Sammy, Maidstone, Little Alberts, and Indian Wells. Uh, we determine the fencing um based on the previous year. So predation is one of our big struggles and crows have been our big struggle in the past. So this year we tried new tactics where we weren't stopping along the beach cuz the the crows will actually see our truck, remember our faces, and we'll once we're there, we leave, they take the eggs. Um, so we also learned that they see really well blue and green. And our flagging for nests is blue, so it's like a target. So this year we used orange flagging with pink, so it

079was harder for us to see and it was harder for the crows to see. Um, and fox was and terror this year actually. Um, they probably I don't know, it could have been one fox, I don't know, but they got most of the ocean. Um, we caught probably five or six nests being eaten by a fox this year. Um, so they're also >> You had video of that. >> We have pictures, not video. Okay. But like that the fox that's there on that screen we got from one of our trail cameras. >> So, and he's about the piece of grass in front of that fox is where the nest used to be. Um, so they're also extremely smart. And I think that when we're putting up the camera trail, the camera traps, they we know

080we're there for a few minutes longer than we normally would have been and they smell us and can then follow our scent and find the nest. So they are also we found this uh yeah so the picture next to the fox is a picture of the nest after a fox had been there and it actually dug under the explosure which normally makes it so that the nest will hatch but unfortunately that one did not. Um a lot of other uh along Long Island a lot of other towns have issues with ghost crabs and cats. Now, we don't have any problems with cats. Um, and we don't have any specific evidence that we've lost any nests and eggs to ghost crabs. But that is a ghost crab that we found at Napig this year, and that

081was the first one that we have physically seen in the field. Um, but other other townships have definitely had a large problem with ghost crabs where they'll just take one egg and walk away and they come out at night. So, you can't really stop that. So, for human disturbance on the beaches, obviously trucks, so as I said earlier, chicks are mobile and within hours of their hatch, they can walk, but it's not well. They tend to fall into the tire tracks and they have a hard time climbing out and it takes about 25 to 35 days before they can actually fly and defend for themselves. Um, dogs sometimes will chase the clovers and sometimes they won't even mean to. They'll maybe just sniff along, step on the eggs and they can't do anything about it.

082Um, we ask that dogs stay out of the clover fencing and that they walk along the water line. We have a thing called share the shore with Ottabbon and they have a whole bunch of um outreach material that we were planning to give out as well at the um dogs and donuts event. So we also have seen lots of garbage left behind from people uh recreation on the beaches and that includes garbage which will then attract the fox, the crow, um cats. So we and that's just a picture of a balloon that I thought was funny because it's a smiley face. Yeah. >> So, yeah. So, this one, so sometimes we have nests that will the same pair will uh have three different nesting attempts. And by the second or sometimes third nesting attempt, they

083won't have a full clutch of eggs. Their full clutch will only be three. Uh, and this tends to happen if they're lost early in the season. And when they do re nest, if it's lost to say um a storm event and they were lower, they'll go higher up in the dune. Or if it's a predator and they got eaten high up in the dune, they will then nest down in the sand. So it's kind of cool how they on their second attempt will, you know, change up their tactic. Um so if a disturbance is great enough they will even leave the site completely and find a totally different uh location and multiple pairs lost um multiple clutches from the fox. So these are just some pictures of birds at different stages. So the one on

084the top left was just hatched and it's um can't walk yet. The one at one day old is still learning how to walk. That one we watched for a while. Um, and we would watch it walk a few steps, fall to the ground, watch it walk a few steps, fall to the ground, and it was really cute. Um, so the one on the bottom left is still fluffy. It's a few weeks old. It can't fly, but it clearly can walk. And it's much bigger. And then on the one on the right, it has the black beak and no banding, but it is a fledged chick. So, it's about the size of the adult. So, all of these shots were taken here. >> Obviously, we zoomed in. We didn't get that close, but yeah. So, the

085trends from the last few years, uh, two years ago, we had a really high success rate at 1.7, I think, or one. No, I'm sorry, 1.4, which was pretty good. And then this year, we had a success rate of 1.04, I believe. But it just shows that um it goes up and down and I think overall with all of New York and New Jersey um we've had a decent uh constant success rate, but we do want a success rate of 1.5 for 5 years. So this year we had 12 pairs that nested on the ocean with 18 different nesting attempts. Uh seven pairs on the bay with nine attempts. And the two from the bay were both lost, I believe, from a high storm event or high tide. The one that we had at Albert's

086was um days from hatching or couple days from hatching before the April storm that wiped out the whole nest. But they ended up successfully fledging one chick. Um but overall, we had nine pairs that successfully fledged 20. So our productivity was 1.04 or five per pair. So, we ask people to help us out um if you see any clovers on the beach by reporting um clover observations to us, keeping distance from our posted areas, leashing dogs and keeping them away from the restricted areas and carrying out the trash that you bring. So, each year um we have our goals and different reporting. So, the United States Fish and Wildlife Service um their criteria is 2,000 mating pairs maint maintained over a 5-year period. Uh so, between New York and New Jersey, uh there is 575

087pairs approximately and a 5-year productivity average of 1.5 chicks fledged per pair before we can move up to the list from out of endangered. Um so, the end of the season site and pair summary forms we fill out and we submit to the DEEC. We have an end ofear meeting with Army Corps and um we also do a Long Island, New York City shorebird cooperators meeting about in January where we do another presentation. We all you talk about our problems that we've had this season together and our successes. >> That's it. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Questions for >> Well, firstly, excellent job on your first presentation of what I think. You did a really sterling job. So, thank you. Um yeah, I mean my my first question just you know looking through the

088graph and and what the target is to kind of get them off the endangered species is um you know do you feel what we're doing is working number one or do we need to look at more aggressive kind of guidelines to help protect this or or you know because what I'm hearing from you is it's not just the human interaction which is the threat it these are environmental changes from storms natural predators that are coming in you know is are there kind of practic out there that can provide additional protection from those kind of threats because the human action is only one part of this and it's like we we can't can't manage all of that. So um what would your perspective on that be? >> So I know that we have been doing some

089research. I can't remember off the top of my head what we um are going to do next year, but I know we're going to buy better cameras to see if we can actually catch things as opposed to seeing it after the fact or just seeing that there was a deer in the area cuz the deers do sometimes step or eat the eggs if they come across it as well. Um, so obviously we can't move the nests to help them from the tide or anything like that, but we're hoping to probably expose more nests next year next year. And um, you're right, it's not all human interaction or anything. It's there's a lot of problems. Um, but I think we did have a huge impact with the crows with the extra the the pink fencing as

090opposed to the blue flagging. And um I forget the other thing off the top of my head, but we have had a huge impact with crows. So I think we're going to start focusing more on fox next year and how we can better deter them from the nests. >> Thank you. >> Ian, did you have questions? >> Uh yeah, I it looks like you fence off the nest. Would it be possible to put a net over the top? >> There is a net. >> Okay. >> So that that would work for the crows, it seems like. >> Yep. a lot of times >> except for and it usually works for the fox as well. So, we have to probably dig deeper trenches. >> Okay. It was funny because the crows and foxes are they're they're

091cute animals, but agricultural pests, too. So, I understand how how clever they can be at getting what they're they're after. Uh no, thanks. It sounds good. It would nice be very nice to see that number get up. 1.05 is, >> you know, a little bit higher than >> better than than one or less. But, um >> uh yeah, thanks for the presentation. I thought I found it very educational and um I wish you great success next year. >> Thank you. I will just add that um the exlosures are also a give and take because the crows will sit on top of the exlosures waiting for them to hatch just knowing that they're going to have a free meal the second that they leave the exlosure. So this year we made sure that whatever day that

092we they were supposed to hatch, we kind of camped out for a little bit to make sure that all the the chicks left the exposure, we took it down and right away so that the crows couldn't be like, "Oh, there's the explosure. Where's my chicks?" >> So it sounds like your job to date the beach. >> Yeah. >> David, did you have any questions or comments? >> I do not. Thank you. Yeah. >> And Monttok, was this the first time they found a pair in Montalk? It it is. Um I do think that that was because of the FIMP project where before there wasn't much beach for them to nest at. So now that there's more beach, it's a much more attractive nesting spot. So definitely next year we're going to get out there early

093and make sure that if there's anything there, we know about it. >> Sounds good. Well, thank you, Samantha. Appreciate it. And Emily, thank you for your attention to this. This is important. >> Want to add real quick. Um Samantha, you did a great job. Um not only are they on the beach all summer and spring, but they do a tremendous public education outreach with the schools and um we've worked with all different uh amigants at East Hampton Springs. Springs one year went on on to do um a musical um about um feeding um ducks and things like that. So, um, >> was that the fourth grade opera? Did they do the fourth grade opera about the clover? >> And, um, then, um, the the magnets you got, we had a contest with the schools to,

094um, do signs for protecting the birds and that was one of the winning posters. So, we made it into a magnet. Sort of cute. >> Um, but tremendous amount of outreach and this the teachers really appreciate it because it's science, um, education and art all together. So, they do a lot of activities together. So, just want to give a shout out that Oh, and you guys uh took them on a tour on the beach, too, didn't you? >> Yep. We had a there's um a bird club at East Hampton. They didn't do it this year, but last year they um the bird club came to the beach, and I showed them one of our nests that hadn't hatched, and then we actually just had a nest hatched a few days before, so we went to

095that site at Indian Wells as well, and they were able to see the chicks from afar. So, that was pretty cool. >> Great. All right. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> All right. Right. So those are our topics for today and we can now move on to liaison report. Um >> thank you madam supervisor. Um I'll start off with the amigans citizens advisory committee. We'll be meeting next Monday the 8th at 6:30 p.m. at the amigans school library. Um it um just want to bring to the public's attention that one of the areas we're looking to target next year with open gov is special events. uh if any kind of prior applicants to special events um have you know challenges they face with applications or concerns with open gov please do feel free to reach

096out to my office and we can incorporate any advice you give us there into what the open gov rollout is human services um we just had the suffuk county office for the aging monitor review done for our um human services department for seniors we got excellent feedback from them um so thank you to the staff there for cooperating ating and and providing that service. Um September wellness um 60 plus activity club calendar uh is now available. Uh just a notice to users, it is now two-sided. Uh due to the increase in activities, we couldn't get everything on one page. So we we've separated it into an exercise program and club activities. Um so it's a larger font making it easier for everyone to read. Um just a few things going on just to call to

097attention. We're beginning the wellness 60 plus program at Ashwag whole series in September with the first class September 24th at 1 p.m. That's going to be an osteoporosis prevention. Uh for anyone looking for more information, feel free to reach out to Joelle, the senior citizen club leader at 6313296939. Um we also have going on this week um the East Hampton Health Club Care Foundation. Um they have a health fair schedule at St. Luke's whole hall from 11:00 a.m. to 2:00 p.m. on the following dates: October 3rd, November 7th, December 5th, January 9th, February 6th, and March 6th. Uh, the human services department will be represented at each event. Um, fire marshall office. Um, we met last week with Star Tree Consultants and we did a walkthrough of some of the town properties. Uh, I'll bring

098that feedback to the board, um, in a meeting tomorrow. Um, sanitation department. I just want to thank all our sanitation workers. While many of us had the day off yesterday, our recycling centers were up and running very well and thank you to everyone who was there making that happen. Um, ADU implementation. Uh, Ian, thank you for the uh, presentation today. I thought that was excellent. Uh, the goal is for us to have the proposed code changes um, for the agenda for next week. They're currently with the attorney's office, so we'll be looking to get that um, out for next week. Um then we have public safety. Um I just wanted to say a quick thank you to Lieutenant Toya who did an excellent job I thought coordinating the event at um in Amagance for Metallica

099last week. Um that was a huge undertaking um um with relatively little um disruption. I I do understand there was some disruption here and there for people. It was a big event but um great job to him for coordinating that without anything uh going wrong. Disabilities Advisory Board, uh, next meeting is Friday, September 19th at 2 p.m. Antibbias Task Force, uh, next meeting is Wednesday, September 10th at 4 p.m. The Arts Council Committee will be meeting Monday, September 15th at 5:00 p.m. The Business Committee will be meeting Wednesday, September 17th at 2 p.m. Um, emergency preparedness, um, I did a presentation over the weekend to the Barnes Landing Association. got some excellent feedback from them for what their concerns are um largely around how to manage fire risk on their properties which is a presentation

100we'll be delivering this month uh with natural resources and the fire marshall's office um and then we will also have a meeting of the emergency preparedness committee September 25th at 11:00 a.m. Uh and lastly we have tick control committee will be meeting Friday September 19th at 4 p.m. >> Thank you. >> Great. Thank you David. Yeah. Yes. I'll save everything for next week if you don't mind, Madam Supervisor. But the main thing I want to let let everyone know and say to everyone is uh today is the first day of school uh for East Hampton School District and the rest of the school districts, including Springs, will go back to school tomorrow. I wish all the kids and the parents all the best in the upcoming school year, but even more importantly, I think it's

101upon the residents to drive safely right now. Uh school's in session. You have some young kids who've never been on a school bus before. they're going to be waiting out there in the morning or coming in the evening times or going on the sidewalks. So, I think it's a very important for us is to continue the public safety. Slow down, please, particularly around school zones. Uh slow down where you know that kids are kids are cuz they're going to be out and about on their school day. Uh if we deal with that all together as a community, our kids will be very safe and they will have a very productive school year and they'll come back and be in this seat eventually. That's all I have to say. Thank you very much. Thanks, David. Ian.

102>> Uh, yeah, just a very brief report. Uh, I want to welcome, uh, on Monday, September 8th, uh, Mark Morgan Perez will start as the director of housing. Um, and really excited to have him there. The team in the housing department has done a great job while we've looked for a new director. Uh, Mark brings a ton of experience and I think comes at a an exciting and and necessary time to sort of do all we can for affordable housing. Uh, we spoke about it today. There'll be something on the agenda next week. It's been a frequent thing, but I just want to extend a very warm welcome and let everybody know that there will be a new director starting on Monday, uh, Mark Morgan Perez. Uh, property management committee meeting was cancelled last month,

103fairly last minute. I apologize for that, but there was some illness and people were unavailable that were were key to that discussion, so we decided to postpone. I know that there was a lot of public interest. I reached out to some people who I thought were going to attend um, who will be at the next meeting, which is September 17th. Um, we'll address a number of issues. The agenda is not released yet, but the main topic will be the um 66 Main Street and Wayne Scott, the Osborne Homestead. Um I've received a few concerns about well interest generally in the management plan for that property, but also concerns about the condition of the main structure. I just want to let everybody know, and I I think I've said this before, that we are getting a

104um an estimate for what it would take to make that the main house watertight and and preserve the exterior at least in the short term to make sure it doesn't deteriorate at all. Um but look forward to seeing anybody who wants to attend at September 17th um for the property management committee that'll be held in this room. Egg advisory uh who missed the last couple of months based on the busy season for farmers will be held on next Thursday, September 11th in suite 111A Paniggo Place uh at 5:00 p.m. And that's all I have. >> Great. Um so I was just going to go over the East Hampton Town Police Department weekend activity. This is Friday through 6:00 a.m. Monday. There were 262 calls for service, four total arrests, 31 residential noise complaints, three commercial

105noise complaints with no uh violations issued. They were all under the DB limit. Nine accidents, 22 aided cases, uh nine town sum uh ordinance summones were issued, and then we had our supplementary shift activity that was working uh as well. Um, I want to let folks know I got a email on Friday from our government folks at PSENG. They're going to be resuming work um along Route 114. Night work will resume on 114 in East Hampton as we complete trenching. Cable pulling and splicing will follow. They will be sending a robocall to those customers along 114 or properties that back up to it southeast of Steven's path to know to let them know that they're restarting the work. Uh Thursday's meeting I'm going to have a resolution on to authorize us to apply for the

106Long Island Forward Housing Program. That's their technical assistance uh program. I had talked about that in July after meeting with the folks from Empire uh Development Corp. And this is for uh hopefully ME market studies, traffic studies, and they have offer real estate development consulting services. And this is for the properties uh for the moderate income that we're doing at 776 and 780 Route 114. So we're hoping that funding will come through. And because uh yesterday was a holiday, our East Hampton Sag Harbor CAC meeting is going to be Monday, September 8th. Uh the room is going to be taken because the trustees meet on the second Monday of the month. So if the weather's good, we're going to be at the picnic tables here outside uh town hall. Otherwise, we're going to be on

107Zoom. Uh we'll post that on the website so folks know where the meeting's taking place. And that's what I have for um my leazison report. And we now have some resolutions to to take care of. I will start off with 2025 1166. Uh this is for the Jackson Pollock painting workshop for the 60 plus community at the senior center. This is a cost to the town not to exceed for $100. >> Second. >> I I >> I 2025 1167 is to authorize payment for Verizon 2024 invoice. Uh this is in the amount of $362 for human services. >> Second. >> All in favor? I >> I >> 2025 1168 is to approve various special events for June and July 2025. This is for Surf Lodge permit number five of 6. That was for August 23rd

108from 400 p.m. to 9:00 p.m. Uh again for permit 6 of 6 for the Surf Lodge. This was for um August 30th um from 4 PM to 900 pm. Then we had the Springs Fire Department Great Bunn which took place this weekend from 8:00 a.m. to 11:00 a.m. Then we have the Walk on Water taking place on the 5th of September at Ditch Plains. This is from 8:00 a.m. to 2 2:30 p.m. and also on Saturday the 6th at 8 a.m. 2:30 to lastly have the Monttok Seafood Festival which will be taking place on MTO Green. Uh this is on uh the 6th of September, 11:00 a.m. to 5:00 pm with setup beginning on the 4th at 9:00 a.m. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I proud they offer resolution 2025 1169 appoint seasonal

109employee in the recreation department Cody Ortega effective September 3rd, 2025. >> Second. >> All in favor? I >> I 1170 is authorized employee training for aquaculture department to go to the uh for Lucy Massie and Ava Kiss authorized to go to the Milford Michael Algae Cultural Workshop September 9th 9th and 10th financial impact is $1,000. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I 1171 CF budget modification for land acquisition. Uh this is where we're moving uh the amount of $16 million for appropriated unreserved surplus uh to to the increase the expendure line for the CPF and this is for the mile hill road purchase. >> Second. >> All in favor? I >> I 1172 is Asbestos Professional Services at 20 Springs Fireplace Road. Uh whether you have a proposal dated 1825 for Silver Silver Wolf

110Environmental total estimate is not to exceed $4,000. >> Second. >> All in favor? I >> I 1173 accept a donation of a memorial bench. A gift from Gabriella Galier who would like to donate a memorial bench as a gift to the town of Eastampton in memory of Ronald Walker to be placed at the Rick Del Mastro Park 378 Montag Highway. The placement of the donate bench will be coordinated with abilities and grounds resolved that the town board hear by gratefully subs donation by Gabrielle Galier to the town of East Hampton. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I 1174 is approved. Change order number 13 for the Monto Playhouse. This is for the west entrance door and pool equipment room door at an amount of $8,21469. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I 1175

111is a water quality grant extension for Fort Pond. They should I think it should should read partners. So we'll amend that to read partners in the in the title LLC. Uh this is for a wastewater treatment improvement uh funding award and this is a one-year extension. Second as amended. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Resolution 1176. This is provisional appointment to planner for Aaron Zilberman uh with an annual salary of $57,13.14 for a 35 hour work week retroactive to September 2nd, 2025. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Resolution 1177. This is to amend resolution 2025 1148 for the capital project in the land building. This is to correct the contract that Milbour Milbour Flooring is under. They're actually under the New York State Office of General Services contract rather than the

112Suffach County contract. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I >> resolution 1178. This is the authorized payment uh VHB engineering for survey and landscaping um in the amount of $2,996.88. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Resolution 1179. This is a retained Gary Ben surveying for Canwell Court subdivision. He provided a quote at $800 per lot for 16 lots and a total amount not to exceed $12,800. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I I resolution 2025180. This is for the police department fingerprint reimbursement and David Allen shall be re reimbursed $89.25 upon properly submitted voucher. >> Second. >> All in favor? I >> I >> 1181 is to authorize a payment of a previous year invoice. This is for um believe it was Marine Patrol for the police department marine patrol

113uh 2024 invoice from Optimum in the amount of $52.19. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. And then I have a resolution to it's ID number 33356. And this is to schedule a special meeting for Thursday, September 4th at 400 p.m. for the purpose of holding an executive session to discuss personnel. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Do I have a motion to go into exec session? >> I'll make a motion to go in exec session for CPF, personnel, public safety, litigation, and advice of council. >> Second. >> All in favor? I >> I >> thank you everyone for joining us today and thank you LTV