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003will be here. Um, so I need that, that's going to be the regular meeting. So, obviously notices will have to go out. Um, and so I I do I have that motion who made the motion, okay? Any discussion. All in favor, okay? The motion passes So um there is no 1 sign up for public comment. and now, uh, we're going to talk about the presentations. Someone's going to do a capital project update. Um, and uh, reports on, uh, the ER funded projects which is a CTE 2024 Capital Improvements future Capital Improvement projects and up at the deis The deas ready to go? First mic is going okay? All right, we're talking playgrounds. Outdoor Learning spaces. Yeah. So I'm just going to give you a quick presentation on uh to close out those learning uh centers
004with the playgrounds of the placement here. so, We started the process about. Almost 12 months ago. Um it's pretty detailed process um and this is how we uh started it. So we had input from the principles and the FAQ committees, um and the needs of the new, a new playgrounds districtwide. So some of the things you'll see on here and I'm not going to read it from them but I'll go through some of it. So basically all the buildings are the same thing. They need more equipment there wasn't enough room for uh, each class or more than 1 class to do anything outside. Um, we needed some sensory equipment for the 1211 and 81 classrooms to do some shaded areas and benches. So when they were outside, they can have those areas uh, to to
005work in, or Or just relax. So um some of the things um, that we're going to be installing. Basketball hoops. Uh, GaGa ball pit. That's a big 3 foot fence. Uh, when I put the balls in the best, for each other basically, hot Hopscotch 4 square and some other activities. So um, Really working back and forth with the building principal. The FAQ committee is taking their input. Putting the designs together. Met with the Committees again. So, we started this process about 12 months ago, I we just met with the Committees again over the last 3 weeks over. The the designs will show you some renderings of the 3D, renderings of of what's proposed. We'll, we'll finish these up, get ready for said, approval, and then we'll, we'll start, uh, work. Um, as soon as we
006get that approval from said, So, yep. Can you go back to your slide? Please sure. I see need wheel wheelchair accessible equipment at buildings with students who use wheelchairs, that's not all buildings. So all buildings are going to be wheelchair accessible but some of the buildings have higher needs. So there'll be more equipment because there are more classrooms in some of the some of those buildings. So we're just looking at taking a snapshot of time right now. We don't know what those so. So all the buildings are going to be handicapped. Accessible and have a accessory equipment in um, all the stuff that's needed for that. But there are classrooms that are in certain schools that have been there. The classrooms are not play areas. No, no, I'm trying to Correlate, the classroom with, with
007the need of the equipment. So for Jefferson and I'm just going to give you an example, our special ed, um, summer school is at Jefferson and there's 121 classrooms that have been there since the dawn of time. So we're going to we we're adding some more of that equipment in those buildings than we would in some other buildings because there's a higher need in those. Higher concentrations will be available at all. Build, correct. We were just saying some will have more more equipment, correct. And, and again, because Jefferson we have summer school there for the special ed. So obviously and it's always been there. So, That that makes clear that up for the most part. so here's the uh, existing um, play area at the Albany So we're going to expand the existing playground and
008place. The, the surface material, we're going to add some equipment where there's like a dead space against the wall where you really can't do nothing with so, um, Here, here's the right angle so we're going to keep the existing. Sorry, not the microphone. so, This is the 3D right of the new equipment and the layup. So we're going to keep the existing climbing structure because it is uh, really as an aged out. It just needs some small repairs and then Add on. Let's see. Spaces over there. So, we're going to expand Pretty significantly. Pointer up on all over here. It's going to be almost double in size. I don't know if you know where the area is on the perfect. So, along the wall at Albany. I don't know if you're familiar, there's a dead
009space there, you really can't do much with. So we're going to put some musical uh drunk flowers and pin flowers and some drums over there. Try to utilize much space as we can, especially if it it's that space. Yeah, it's okay to be areas. So, understand, so Columbus. This is the existing structure. Uh, Familiar with Columbus. It's very wet back there and sometimes play ground Decay and use it. So uh, we got to rip this whole playground out. Uh, we're going to we're going to clean up the basketball area. We're going to raise the great opportunities to drainage and uh, or replace all the existing equipment. So This Is A New Concept for their, as you can see. Pretty good size. These are all the new I guess apparatuses that we're going to be installing.
010Uh, we're going to also put this Turf material down. We used it at in Hughes Obviously, the black circle material. Nice. It's not as uh, rough on the skin as black top, but we noticed that the the turf is really a good product that drains well, The impact on it is is good and it's easy to clean up and you can get more juice out of it during Europe. This is this is a Clin we're going to place the existing playground. It's another muddy playground. You can see over here, this is uh the kids play over here a lot. So we'll show you the next rendering. This is all we're going to get ripped out. And expand the whole footprint. We're going to add more uh again some sensory. Uh equipment. And we're really going
011to try to focus on, all the playgrounds with the Ada and making them a like a Pre-K to to 6 grade. So you can get all those wide ranges. Hey, So you can see here, the we're basically going to take that whole footprint of of what's there now and turf the whole thing. We're going to put a little uh, bench area here, where the basketball hoop And then this area here. This is where the playground is existing. So this is the area that they go back. 1 second So that's this area here. They send the play here. It was never meant to be a play area, but it's it's it's not a lot of green space at Con. So we're going to let me go back. We're going to Turf that so they have somewhere
012to play um Any questions on that 1? so Herkimer, this is another 1 uh, I'm going to replace the equipment and create uh clear out with the other ones, more challenges for the kids to do it makes sense of space. So this is another 1 it's pretty old. It's we're going to rip it all out. Go ahead. And that's the uh, that's the 1. So you can see all the new apparatus is swing sets. We're going to make all again with the 88 compliance part of it. We're going to make sure they all flow in from the sidewalks. Now we're kind of using um, Material to ramp them in. Not 1 to grade them, right? With the sidewalk. So there's no, uh, No curbs on them, I guess. We'll say. And then uh I just
013want to bring up 1. Other thing, all the playgrounds will be fenced in District light. As we move forward. Any questions on that 1? Yeah. Just on that point too. And I know this doesn't really have anything to do with this right now, but when we're talking about events, have we put anything up in general before right now, like a jersey fence, anything right now for some of those students so that they can go out? I know that that was, um, a concern about Jefferson General. Yeah. So there's there's not um, Physical barriers there right now. Okay? pipes right on there and it has been there forever, but we're not going to really install anything because the house shortly Stats or whatever. Okay, so there's the roadside there and I know that's been a concern.
014I didn't know if there was anything that we could just put up for this year. We well, we could put a temporary fence up or, you know, we're hoping with FCD approval. When things go well get some of these in this year, that's the goal like this year, this summer. Like not so. Well we would we would hopefully Definitely might fall, okay? And the depending on the approvals, We get that, definitely look at the. Jefferson again. Uh, this is 1 that we are keeping the existing, uh, Slide. And, um, Monkey bars. The reason why this is another 1 that we put in I think in the 2015 project that has exceeded its life yet so I can see. So this is going to stay all the serving material is going to be changed and then
015uh we're going to expand this footprint too. So we're going to take so you can see here, we're going to add, um, This whole section over here. Which is the current thing but it is pretty substantial. Um, I think we see the Donut. Rarely I don't know what they call it, to be honest with you. I don't think that's so many different names for this stuff. So it's like a tube go back for 1 second and then this area over here. In in Junction with the existing playground that's there already to just change the surface material. So the next 1 this is Joe's um This is another 1, it's fairly new. This 1 was uh, paid for for by the PT PTA at the area, and again, this hasn't exceeded his life. It just needs
016a little, uh, you know, Fine-tuning, which will do over the project. And then this is another 1 that we're going to, this is going to be removed Within These. Um, here next week. This is a pretty substantial 1 too that we're going to add on. To here. So these are all the jungle gyms. K to peas, sensory equipment, and all that. So that's another good size 1. space to do it also, And the current current is a fairly new 1. It was 2020, you be installed the 1 in the back here. you know, it's just a Good size section here that nobody's really using other than run around with. So including the buildings, we're going to go ahead and do an excellent. We're going to add. Uh, we're going to add this. To to this
017type, this is blacked out but that's the existing 1. It's here. And then this is the new section here. And then from the top of the principles and faculty, a lot of the black serving material is very hot, very hot. And the Summer. Super hot in the spring too. And when, when the sun's out at full Peak and um, this is Better service than material for for all buildings. and then, uh, MLK. This is the existing playground we added uh um on to this 2 years ago, we put a small add-on in the middle. And then we're going to expand the rest of the scope of that. So, So that we're going to have uh, end up replacing the whole older structure. Right here. This is an existing right now we have this Center canopy
018already here. We're going to leave that. We're going to change this 1 out here with this is a new 1 and Accepted. And so it's all this right here, that's really going to expand that play area to it. And then Watson. This is probably the worst 1 of the whole District we had at the time of the last Capital project. We Took this playground out and reinstalled it. The funds to to do the playground at the time. Well, this is probably 1 of the oldest playgrounds in the district. This is the new 1. This is another substantial uh area for that. So you can see the the footprint of this rather large. I'm going to add because they do have the room. A property where it has this. Basketball area there. Put it basketball in
019there. Yep. This is going to be a basketball little basketball area there. It's not going to be like a full size, but it's going to be a A shoot around. I guess I would say for that. Let's ask is Kimbo Park is a black hole. Uh this is just input from. And again, these are going to be the outter earlier says they're going to be activities outside whether the gym class is outside, so it gives them more options. You're putting like a half quart. There is that you're doing like a like a shoot around. It's not going to be. The game. So, That, I mean, they're substantial improvements to to each playground. In every building. You don't see Hughes on here because we, we Hughes was already done so that if anybody's thinking why they're
020not on there, that's 1 of the reasons why. So again, these these are all designed in Phase with input, from the building principals with the District administration with the FAQ committees. Reviewed with the phases last month. I went to every building reviewed these concepts with them. Took some notes on some small tweaks. We're bringing those back with the architect and seeing us and the playground Architects Architects, and then we'll do the final, uh, rendering and drawings for those in the next couple weeks here. Mike, I have 1 question. Um, pending State approval and all that good stuff. Is there a pipeline in which school, which year? So like do we have a subset of our, our thoughts to say okay? We're going to focus on these 3 build, you know, these 3 buildings at this
021point and then so, so it's really depending on how the projects come back. So we have things in mind, how they should be replaced, either by age, or by need or whatever their case may be. But if 1 comes back way sooner than another, we may have to Pivot a little bit. So you know that's just going to be how how the the permits come back from a CD. But you know we do have a plan either way. On on how to execute that. so again, our next steps we review the final uh Concepts and proposals, we did it with the Uh, buildings and grounds committee. Uh, we're going to take what we took from the FAQ committees with the small changes of requests if we could do them. Review them here at the district.
022With the design team. Uh, then we'll develop a timeline uh, for replacement. You know, B says I user need but it's really going to be based on several at this point. So I changed a little bit. Thank you. You're welcome. Thank you. Bye. Great. Um, so I'll just give a quick update here on the CT Edition. Um, so there are 3 change orders, um, included in your packet, this evening, um, these photos. Uh, and these have been described, uh, in the December January, and February updates. Um, so, um, 2 of the change orders, uh, are for the additional sheetrock infill. Um, like you can see in this photo here. Um, and then, um, throughout there's actually some tucked in here, uh, as well. Um, so that's the larger of the 2, uh, and then, um,
023The Masonry repairs again, you can see in these photos right up the masonary, work that needs to be um, repaired that space. Um and then um, there's also a change order in order in there to add into your signage and wayfinding so room signage and wayfinding within the addition there wasn't anything, uh, included, um, and the base contract for that, um, and then the, um, design team and the districts, uh, team got together, post bid and sorted out what they wanted, um, for those locations. So, um, those are the 3 change orders. Um, That are over 25,000 that are included uh tonight. So any questions on any of those? I do have a couple questions, okay. Um, the first 1, the 60,000, this is the 1 that was already approved for 74,000 and this is
024just now the actual amount. Adjusted amount correct. Okay. Yeah. And I, um, Yeah, I don't believe you approved the 74. I think we gave you notice that. Um, we had received a proposal for 74 and then we were going to do the work time and material. So this is the actual, um, labor and material cost, uh, to do that work. So it was less than what was initially received, right? And then the masonry repairs went hand in hand with that 1. Yes. Yes, sir. What? How, what is the process by which this interior sign? Niche came about. So, there was not anything included in the base vide documents, right? We knew that we would need an interior signage package, right for both, identifying rooms and for finding your way through the building. So, Post bid.
025Mike got with LaBella, um, and put together the So we we we deliberately left the way signage out for a couple reasons 1. We weren't sure on the signage that we were going to want uh we're changing some of the district signs in the elementary buildings. We're going from uh, hanging signs on the ceiling for identification. They make the building more friendly instead of just the wall sign. So we uh, we're kind of like, not sure which direction we want to go. We didn't want to bid for that way signage and then change it all because you you know, the credit Wouldn't be what it should be. So we just left it out. Okay. So we left it out because we weren't sure what kind of signs we wanted. Yeah, the district left it out
026on. That was on purpose. We I had the architect delete it because we weren't, you know, we weren't on the same page on what signage we really wanted for the building, okay? Those are the questions on the ones that we have to approve tonight. I did have a question later once you finish on 1 of the ones that has already been approved but that's under 20,000. Sure yeah I can take it now if you want. Do you want to take it now? Sure. Um this is this is the 9142 68 cents. Change order for the research certification of existing door frames to make them fire, to make sure that they were fire rated. Or can you explain how that came about? What the process was that we discovered that? So there was a series of
027existing doors and frames in that space that don't have tags on them. In order to be a fire rated tag or an order to be considered fire rated, right? The door and the frame has to have a tag on it. So once we got into it, those doors were identified that they didn't. You can hire a Branded company to come in and certify them and essentially a fixed tags to the doors and Frames. So, these were within the renovation or within the addition, uh, within the renovation. Okay, existing. These are the ones that were painted over. So, so correct their existing frames. Some of the ones that we left in. Uh, originally we were going to change all the doors and frames and then we went back and looked at some of the doors and
028frames that we didn't need to rip all the frames out, right? Yes. Yep, to and then you would have masonry repairs door frame. Repairs frames are okay. The doors were not, you could change the existing doors, you could leave the existing frames. But they got to be rectified on the frames because it just the years of some of the, the long just 70 years of frames, have been there the tags, either been painted on or you can't see them anymore and you got to get them re-certified and you can't just put a tag back on them. It's Try. Yep, I'm getting confused a little bit because I know that we already approved 1 change order. Correct back in when I those are for the doors that was like $30,000 correct to to actually replace the
029door. Correct. So this was then to certify the frames of the doors, the frames. So the frames of the doors got to be certified also that they're in the hallways, they got to be fire rated. Okay. So I'm going to be honest with you, we know their fire rated but the the tags have either been painted on scratched off from the door opening and closing you can't read them very well and to reopen the building and get Certificate, I can see you got to have them rette. As part of the process. Okay? So these are the frames of the doors that were replaced back, correct. So they're existing frames that were only replacing the doors on. The other change order was just for the doors. We left the frames. I think we saved the, I
030don't know what are the because, yeah, there was, if we pull the frames out, it'd be 6,000 for the frames plus all the masonry that goes along with the frame. And we determined at 1 of the committee meetings, um, I don't know who was there, but we did a committee meeting to walk through. We were looking at some of the frames they were decent shape. Better Rectify them than just to rip them. You know rip them all out. Got you got it. Thank you. Um, so just some progress photos. Uh, here's the exterior of the building. Um, if you've driven by uh, recently, you'll notice that the additions really kind of starting to blend in to the rest of the building. Um, you can't really See the the gray Edition anymore, uh, because the main
031scenario is turn the corner. Um, in advance, along that elevation, um, interior. Um, so you can see all the sheetrock or most of the sheer rocks in place. Uh, there's painting started, um, in the, this is in the addition, um, so there's starting to make good good progress in the renovated portion. Uh, you can see the, the painting. Um, and obviously that work is still going on. We've got, uh, ceramic tile taking place in the corridors. we we've turned the corner from Demolition and roughing uh and moving forward with uh finishes Just quick budget summary. Um, right, you can still see bottom line down here in the bottom right, still? A significant balance, we've had some conversations uh, about about um, potential ideas with that, um, balance with the facilities committee meeting, there's still more,
032um, more to be done, uh, with that as we as we move forward. And then from a schedule standpoint. Um, right, so MEP work, uh, which is the mechanical electrical roughing. They are those trades. Are there. They're trying to, uh, keep momentum. Um, but as you can see, right, we've got paint on the walls and ceramic tile on the walls and finishes are starting to go. Um, so the the mechanical trades have Um, some work to do to, to keep Pace. Uh, but we're certainly not letting that uh, slow us down so um, I walked through this morning uh there's a path to get there as we've been saying, right? We're going to be right up against the um Labor Day holiday right to that weekend. Putting the finishing touches on and moving contractors out
033the back door and bring staff and students in the front door. Um, but there is a path to get there. Um, and so I, we're we're on, we're on track to to have students in both spaces here. Um, come September. Any questions on progress or? Related to CT. No, thank you very much. All right, very good. Thank you. Appreciate it. Okay. Pardon me. Um, yes. PTO PTA. Shared decision, making committees student councils. CSC. Chairs bless you, Title 1. UTA. Welcome Scott. Hey Scott. Good evening. Scott. Rogowsky. UTA president. You're my son. Oh, there we go. Thank you. Scott roeske UTA president, do you a hope that all of our students and staff enjoyed their spring break? Just a reminder that New York state math testing occurs this Wednesday and Thursday. It is crucial that students
034get an adequate night's rest and eat a good breakfast to help them do their best. The 29th annual UTA Scholarship. Golf Tournament in memory of Larry custodio, is scheduled to be held on Saturday May 31st at Twin Ponds. Proceeds from the tournament are going to the UTA scholarships supporting Proctor students, the tournament is open anyone that is interested. Please contact the UTA office for further information. The UTA along with the New York State United teachers support the governor's proposed. Bell-to-bell cell phone restrictions in order to reduce distractions and promote a more focused learning environment for our students. Teacher appreciation week is next week, Monday May 5th through Friday May 9th. This time is set aside each year to honor and appreciate their contributions and recognize teachers impact on individuals and communities. To all the incredible
035udica, teachers counselors social workers, therapists, psychologists and other support staff. Your impact extends, far beyond the classroom. Thank you for your patience, your guidance, and your unwavering dedication, helping students here in Utica, learn and grow. Thank you. Questions, comments. Concerns. Thanks. Thanks. Appreciate it. Scott. Thank you, Scott. I'm still waiting for my shirt. That's all been waiting for dinner. Good morning. Like I heard that right? It's got next next week, next week. Listen you you guys don't mind if I if I have Ian come up and do the financial report, do you? I I just like, I mean listen, we make them, we make them leave at the end of the meeting, but he sends us off so well. I know darling. Okay. Oh my God. All right, man. Come on up. Being Smile. What
036him worry? He just makes me so happy when I see him get up there. Uh, so for this month, I've been closed, uh, the general fund budget status report, cafeteria fund budget status reports and the cash balance reports for all the district bank accounts for the month, ending February 28th 2025, um, is there any questions or Tell us. Are there any areas of concern or worry that you have at the present time? No February was a good month or cash flow was good. We made a couple Investments and um yeah it was February was good. All right. Anyone else have any questions? I'm not going to ask you what you invested in because I did it the last time and all right, but if you want to tell us what you invested in generally, that
037would be fine. Um, a couple CDs. and I leave 5%, um, uh, Pray in the field. Yeah, and uh, be there for various amounts for terms, 6 months. I think 3 months. You have to stagger them for cash flow purposes. Is that? Yeah, we've based off of our cash flow when we think we're going to need the money back and Yeah. Okay good. Thank you. And you're welcome. While we're here. Should we just take a motion to approve the minutes as well? Yeah. I mean, unless you want to stay and you can always Okay. Uh let's while we're here. Do you want to just approve the minutes? So yeah why not make a motion to approve the March 18th special meeting and executive session minutes, the March 25th regular meeting and executive session minutes in
038the march, in the April 1st special in 8 minutes. Okay, I need we have a motion in a second. Any any Edition deletions Comments. All in favor, opposed motion carries. Okay, so now We will now turn over. Uh, the meeting to the superintendent. Present whatever. He'd like to tell us and the superintendents report. Yes, thank you. So, first of all, good evening to you all good evening to our viewing uh viewers at home, just want to say a couple of words about our upcoming Mayo, encouraging everyone to participate in the Democratic process. So right now we have proposed, say 290 million 141,927, uh uh, dollar vote, uh, budget with the 0% Levy, uh, increase over the project. Are you and essentially this this budget really is about again, expanding our student learning, uh, and graduation
039Pathways. We have you just heard a presentation about the, um, CTE facilities and the building needs staff to work in it. So, we are added that into the budget to make sure that we have the appropriate administrators, as well as teachers to support that learning in those Pathways additionally, we've been doing a lot of work this year to focus on the ways in which we can strengthen Community engagement across our organization. You know, working with system leaders throughout the city and we are investing into, uh, our current infrastructure by having a community engagement Department, which is a part of that uh budget. We've also been very proud to speak to the fact that we have expanded our extended day learning opportunities across our 10 elementary schools, and we have included that in this budget as
040well. And the most exciting thing I think is the long term Achieve the clan that will be a part of the budget. So the budget is really centered on linking the uh our spending plan with student needs across the district, by examining the data. We've looked at our key performance indicators and we are trying to ensure that the activity within the district is commensurate with student needs. Um other than that when you look at the the programming over the year, over the year, the slice of the pie where the money's at allocated to it, it, it it's really consistent, we've raised the budget by 1 receiving an increase in Foundation aid, but also allocating fund balance as of 1 shot to increase that budget as well. So again, to the taxpayers, there will be a
0410% increase in loving, um, from the, uh, from tax levy and we encourage you to come out and support the district. Thank you. and, Hold on the board. Would like to encourage the public to come out and make sure you support that for the kids. Thank you. In addition to that the 1, the ballot is our Capital Improvement project, more 120 million, Capital Improvement projects. That's that's 1 thing. I think we really do. Well, here in this District, having worked across the state. We have some amazing facilities. Let's keep that. Let's keep that uh, Jim going. Come support us. Please. And now I offer my superintendent's report. Thank you. Thank you, Dr. Spence, um, does anyone want any Pages? Pulled is the superintendent pulling anything from the airport? That I am. Pulling in. I am
042pulling a p25 on page 27. At the bottom at the bottom, the last item. is anyone else have any, uh, we need to pull Pages 3 through 6 since we tabled the Yeah, the uh mmmmm. Right. Uh, page 7 the page 7s, 222. Yes. Page 20 b 41 page, 21 B, 42 page, 22 B, 43. Ho ho ho there are no order. Oh B41, 42, Port B, 43 on page, 22, and B, 44 on page 23. Okay. So, I just want to make sure I can take them in order. So we're pulling s222 at 7. Page 7. Pulling. I missed something that you want to pull. I think on 3, we're taking. Whatever. Yeah we're pulling 3 through 6 together to table. Table. Okay. And then page 20 through 23 20 through 23 and And
043then we said, page 27 at the bottom page, 27 was not or page 27 at the bottom is not recommended Correct. We got to pull it. Did not recommend it. Alright the superintendent pulled it so he didn't recommend it, so we don't have the right. Okay, good. Okay. All right. So aside from the pages that we pulled um, can I have a motion to adopt the superintendent's report of April 29th 2025 as reflected with those changes that we that we just discussed? Well, that second any discussion about that. Um, all in favor opposed motion carries. Okay, we'll start with. Um, I need a motion to table. Um, 217218219 and 2. 20. Can I have that motion? Okay. All in favor? I okay. That's been tabled. Now need a motion on you wanted s 2202 on
044page 7 so I need a motion Okay. Discussion now a motion to divide the question to consider the risk assessment separately, from the corrective action plan, and I'll second that for you So and all in favor, we need to have, I'm seconding it. And so I need a mo and there's a motion on the floor all in favor, I opposed motion carries. So the risk assessment. Well, I need a motion to adopt the approval of the risk assessment move that need a second second. Any discussion on that? No, hearing, none. All in favor, I opposed motion carries. Now, I need a motion for the corrective action plan. Need a second. Okay, any discussion? Yes, if you bear with me, I have a statement. I would like to read into the record. Sure. The question before
045the board is whether the corrective action plans to the internal audit should be approved or whether they must first be revised for contacts and support approved and internal audit reviewing the management of federal funds, the findings of which have just been accepted by the board. The administration submitted, these corrective action plans to the board's approval. The question of their approval should be judged by the confidence that this institution has in the veracity of those responses. For this member that confidence has eroded. Or the past year, the board has twice been presented with single audit findings or subsequent Corrections that highlighted concerns regarding the management and monitoring of Grant funds. The board has also twice been presented with the corrective action plans or amendments there too for these findings. These plans were presented to the board
046on the second day of October 2024 at a special meeting of this body and unrevised on the 30th day of January 2025 the regular meeting in this body. the relevant portion of the management response was limited to the following quote, the Board of Education approved. The federal uniform guidance plan on July 2nd 2024. This document includes best practices and procedures for implementing monitoring and closing out. Grants end quote, Concerns were expressed to the administration on those occasions. The pointing to a singular past action was insufficient as a corrective action plan. Now, it is revealed that this sole remedy, the federal uniform, guidance plan has not been implemented or followed in its entirety Specifically, the self assessment of risk forms provided for in the plan. Have not been utilized by the administration. The administrative response to
047this was that the document continues to be reviewed and that they are aware that revisions are needed. the administration need not be reminded that by their own admission, the federal uniform guidance plan was approved by this board of education, which carries the full authority of board policy under which the administration is obliged to comply. Nor does the administration need to be reminded that Ford policy 3105 governs. Those rare occurrences when the administration believes it to be unwise or impractical to comply with a board policy. Board policy 3105 was not invoked, nor would it have been appropriate to invoke it to where the policy by the administration's own concession represents best practices and procedures. When the representation was made in writing to the board of education to the federal uniform guidance plan, had been adopted implicit
048in that was the representation that the relevant administrators had thoroughly understood that plan and were implementing it. It is now apparent that that was a misrepresentation hopefully an inadvertent 1. In light of these facts, it seems necessary for the administration to take, additional time, to consider the responses to assuage these concerns in their current form. It would be irresponsible to Grant these responses. The gravitas that the impressive of board approval would afford This member cannot grant their assent to this proposition and in their humble opinion. Believes that the circumstances demanded though in the next Thank you. Well Braden. That was very nice. Thank you very much for your thoughts. Does anyone else have any questions about or statements? Um, I have a couple thoughts. I have been. addressing this issue for quite a period of
049time. It's been discussed that. Audit committee meetings. um, and, In. Our agenda meetings. and, we have a You know, the corrective action plan. Are is words on a on paper. Um, they're just words. The question that comes up is. Is the staff? going to, make it a priority to address. The deficiencies. Now. they've, been handed a a difficult task because um, there's been a number of changes in the, uh, Federal funds responsibilities over the past number of years. Um, granted, we have been. Implementing. Updated. Um, software we're actually sort of using software, which is great. Um, And different programs. So and we're Working hard to. Make things better. Um, you know, obviously I was disappointed with the third audit. That pointed out the same issue. Um, but eventually This has to be a priority, it
050has to be addressed. And I think it's 1 of those things where everybody has to step in. And help. Because This needs to get taken care of. It doesn't mean that people are running away with money or do committing all this male fees. It's, it's a, it's an accounting issue. And it's a it needs to get addressed. and, I'm, I'm hoping that. this will continue to be a priority, so that We can. Put this particular issue behind us. And if necessary. Um, you know, I know there's a lot of responsibility and The Limited number of Personnel hours to deal with it. Deal with um, in all of your departments. But this and I, I I'm speaking on behalf of the board, Is a priority. We want it addressed. We want it fixed. We want it
051balanced. We want it tied up. And we want it done. so that we are. Doing everything. And we can, you know, count on it. So, I'm I, I don't know if I'm, I mean, I don't know if I'm speaking. I think I'm speaking for everybody. We want this issue addressed. I've been chasing this issue for 2 years. so, Or maybe a little bit longer than that. Actually. But the the reality is we got to get it done. I'm not faulting anybody. I know it's hard. I know there's a lot of moving Parts. I know that, you know, we've implemented a lot of systems that are going to make it easy moving forward, but at some point, we have to close up. The past. And we need to make sure that it's right so that everyone
052can count on it. And again I just want to be clear. We're not saying that anyone's doing anything wrong for the conspiracy theorists out there. We're not saying that people are stealing. Um, we've we've already addressed those issues for the most part. Um, at this point. we just want to make sure that our fiscal house is in order in terms of procedure, Okay. And and so that it's it's easier to have oversight. And again, it's nobody's fault. We just want to make sure that we can button this issue up. It's been, you know, again I've been chasing this for 2 years. So I'd like to get it done. I'd like it to be a priority. I know I'm speaking on behalf of the board, but you all need to help each other in finishing this.
053And if it's an issue of You know. Did you want to say something? Okay, I'll I'll stop. Go ahead. No. No. I don't want to turn into a personal thing. Like, I don't, I That's my concern. It's not a personal thing. We've made it very clear. So I don't want to address a certain department or just want to uh, knowledge the investment in time from the board and reviewing the finances. It's a lot of documents and you've you've done a good job at being good stewards of the district's finances and also want to acknowledge the hard work of the team. That's working to work through this, you know, you you alluded to the, um, the, the history of this district. And I think, to some extent, we are plagued by the history. But, you know,
054and I want to appreciate everyone here who's working through that, and we're going to continue to, uh, make the most progress and I think today, we've made some gains with some of the, uh, discussion and systems that we plan to implement. So I just want to thank you all. Thank everyone here and we'll continue working and that is a priority. I, I just want to clarify in case somebody thinks I'm being critical. I'm not being critical of anybody on the staff. I am saying that this is a priority that needs to be addressed and buttoned up. As soon as possible. Okay, it's it. As I said, everybody has to work together. There's a lot of moving Parts here. There's different departments that have to contribute to all of this, but it needs to get addressed.
055So we can put this behind us. And again. For those that are keeping score. I am not saying that anyone is doing anything wrong or that we're allowing people to run off and steal things or anything along those lines. This is a process issue and a procedure issue that needs to be buttoned up. So, Let's call the question unless somebody else has something to say. All in favor of adopting. No problem. I'll, I'll we'll have a roll. Call vote on approving it. Yes. Mr. Hope I got you on here? Yes. Mrs. Nope. No. Mr. Nana know. Mrs. Padula, yes, Mr. Paul. Yes. Motion passes, 42. so, No, we're going to do that. I'll do all. so, the risk assessment, Will be passed. Okay. So the I'm sorry, the corrective action pass plan has been passed.
056Um Let's go to B 41. 4243 44 on pages 20 through 23. Need a motion to consider them separately. Absolutely. Need a motion number to be 41 budget, transfer Personnel, second discussion. Yes, Um, Can someone speak to the process by which this budget transfer came about and the timeline? so, um, 2324 or, or maybe sometime a little bit before that. It was, It was decided that in an effort uh, to assist the Personnel Department that an outside consultant would be employed and it was prior to my coming here. So, I don't really know the steps that came up to that at that point, there were 2 Consultants. Um, 1, um, is no longer being utilized by the district, just because the He wasn't there. Um this individual um, has has been with us, we've had
057some and I don't mean to speak for for MCL clinic, but um, some staffing shortages, um, and this person has been able to step in this person used to be employed by the district many years ago. So, it was very, um, conversant in our policies, our procedures, um, and how we did things in this District. Um and so as you may recall recall, it wasn't budgeted for in the in the 2425 budget, I believe it wasn't. And you can see that in the entry that I proposed, um, and I came to you some time ago, um, in the early part of the Fall, um, to move some money in there. At that point, I was unaware. I think we were all unaware as to what the complete Services would be for the year. If that,
058if the position would be filled, um, there was an open position, um, because the gentleman that had had, it had actually become a teacher, um, and so, um, I recommended a certain amount of money be budget transferred at that point, not knowing what the future would bring, um, uh, about a month ago as I could see the, the the actual coming up and the budget to actual coming down. Um, I knew that we would have to have additional funds in there in which to pay this consultant. So that's sort of the the history and the timeline. Yeah, other questions. All in favor. I opposed motion carries. Okay. Uh let's see. Need a motion for b42. Page 21. Second discussion. Same question. Um, so a couple of things happened in 2324 that really weren't reflected in
059the budget for 2425. Number 1, we, we went out and got cyber Insurance, um, million-dollar coverage for the district for a variety of areas. Um, we also were required, um, by the city of Utica when we're utilizing police officers, uh, as, um, security within our buildings, um, that we had to have, um, insurance to cover cover cover liability, if something were to happen, um, with them on our premises. Um, additionally, as you may recall, we bought a bunch of new equipment, which we weren't sure if we were going to be buying or not. Um, and so Insurance went up, right? Because you got older older uh, used equipment coming off. Um, and brand new equipment that's going to cost a lot more to get fixed. If something were to happen. Um, so when the budget
060was developed for for 2425, um, some of those things weren't fully hadn't fully evolved. Um, and so so, um, Um that's why looking for this additional budget transfer? Any questions? All in favor. Opposed. Motion carries. okay, I need a motion on, um, budget transfer b43. Second discussion. Yes. I'll change the question slightly here. When did it become apparent? That this additional money in the budget was needed for contracted services for legal. so I I've been wanting the trending of the bills, um, and they They started trending up a little bit, not a lot um about about 3 months ago. Um I get the bills by the time we get them paid, we get them and then we get them paid. Um, So, you can never tell how much you're going to use Legal Services. um,
061and so, um, that's when I approached, um, the The assistant superintendent, who said that, you know, we're going to need to transfer. Cuz this is about almost. I mean, less a little less than half of the Well, I'm sorry, it should say. It's a little bit less than the entirety of what the budget was to begin with. So, do we know what? Let's start with what constitutes this big spike. So, I don't know that. Perspective. I don't know that it's a big spike over the, the 2324 year. Um, I don't I think it at the end of at the end of 25, what what we're going to see is that it's going to be less than what we, what was expected for 2324. Um, a couple of things happened in 2324, um, our full-time attorney
062decided to retire. Um, and number 2, um, Bose's had been doing all our contract negotiations, and we had been using them for Labor Management. So, the district opted to, uh, utilize the services of a legal firm that for a, um, to do those those those functions. So, there's a good chunk of, uh, of expense out of the total that are are reflective for negotiations and personnel and labor. So, going into our new budget, it was proposed order 600000 for the legal budget for next year. Did we arrive at that figure of the order 600,000 for next year? Knowing that the cost would approach somewhere around that amount this year. Yes, yes. This is sort of my frustration with this 1 is that the question was asked, as to that budget line item for the development
063of the budget next year, and no, that was a perfect opportunity to provide an answer to this board that the money to be expended this year, was going to be far greater than the 3885 dollars originally budgeted for. So I I'm left with a slightly sour taste in my mouth about that but I think that's the Extent of my questions. Well, that that was the discussion that we had been having about you know the, uh, The budget. I mean, it's a it's generally a guesstimate. It all depends on how many hot button issues you're dealing with. um, you know, I I don't we use the we use that firm for a lot of things to get. Excellent service for it. You know, the issue that comes up is um, again. I'm not quite sure. You,
064you know, I think somebody made an assessment when the budget was being drafted. Um, You know? And, and, and I'm assuming that's an estimate when you do a budget, although, Heather, you're not doing the budget. But when you do a budget, what, what does it, how does that work? Exactly. When you're trying to determine numbers? You're not looking for the exact number that. You, you spent the year before, is that what happens out of the correct? Correct. Uh, you take a look back in time. Where you where you were, what was happening during that period of time? Do you have extensive loss as it relates to this particular line? Extensive lawsuits, or what would as I just mentioned we had an attorney that was working here full-time, and we were using bosies, So you take
065a look at now, you're switching over to something different and and the district's been through. Has evolved over the past 2 years for a number of legal issues. Um, and so, when you're predicting for, for the year, you're taking a look at where you were where you are and where you think those if those things are being cured and the costs are going to come down a little bit, Just just to be clear here. I'm going to Echo something that President Obama said earlier. This is a procedure issue for me substantively. I have no Uh, questions or concerns about the amount of money here? I, I think for our farm is doing a great job for the district and they're doing a lot of different services for the district all under 1 umbrella. My concern
066here is on the the communication of this to the board um and that's where the concern for me lies. Any other questions or comments? All in favor, opposed no. Okay. Um, Okay. So P20 or number of page 27 was pulled. Oh, I'm sorry sorry page. 23 p. P 204. I'll make a motion. Give me a second. Okay. Discussion. Where did the just speak to the the how this came about? So as it relates to gas and and electric, that is really a big estimate, right? You never know where that's going to land. You kind of have an idea of usage, right? Um, this year, right? We we saw a big a little bit of an increase in gas because we had colder temperatures temperatures have a lot to do with it, um, but um, it,
067we, we were able to stay stay within that cost center. We saw that our, our gas use, our gas costs, actually came down and our power. Our light power costs went up. Um, we were able to keep it in the ca the same cost center and, you know, I, I have to do a big shout out for Mike, Mike, Mike Ferraro, because he really is monitoring this at all times. Um, so you know, we felt there was enough money in that cost center total and that's why we pulled it from there. Thank you. Any other questions or comments? Okay, all in favor. Opposed motion carries, um, we need to I think we've covered everything in the superintendent's report. Okay, we need to address the, um, Resolution for the uh, student discipline. so, I'm going to
068read the Read the resolutions is where is an appeal of the decision of the superintendent. Schools regarding student discipline was made to the Board of Education, accordance with Section 3214 of the New York education law. And whereas the Board of Education duly considered the arguments made in support of the appeal and fully reviewed the record of the matter in light of set arguments. Now therefore it is hereby resolved that Um, the disciplinary action imposed by the superintendent of schools is upheld. The board finds, competent and substantial evidence to student engaged, and the charge misconduct and deems. The penalty imposed appropriate, given the nature of the misconduct and the anecdotal evidence in the record. So I need a motion to adopt that Okay. And I think that um I think we have to do we have
069to we have to do roll call on that, don't we? Okay, let's do a roll. Call vote on that. Mr. Cooper, yes. Mr. Hope I could Junior know Mrs. Nope. Yes. Mr. Nana know. Mrs. Padulla. Yes. Mr. Paul. Yes. Motion carries. The uh, disciplinary action. Imposed with a scooper super superintendent. Of schools is upheld. um, yes, sir. Um, can I have a motion to take a brief recess? A little bit second all in favor. False alarm false alarm. Okay, um, reports reports a special committees I guess next. So Perfect. And we want to talk about bosies for a few minutes. Sorry minutes. well, so we had the annual meeting of bosies between the last meeting that we had and today and once again, um, we got a chance to encounter and and, um, meet our
070students and other students from other schools, It's again, my favorite meeting of the whole year because the kids uh you get to see what the kids do at both seasons. Um, you know, and they're and their food service is amazing. I, I have to tell you, it really is and um, they do great job. That all those kids are so Earnest and they really do an excellent job and I it it it just makes me happy to be there or, you know, like they had a the the welding I've been to the welding, that's really cool. I've been to um you know, almost every single thing, you know, every every where they call them pathways And you know, you go to the, the nature stuff that's really fantastic. Um, 1 year, they gave us, uh,
071maple syrup. That was really cool. So I, I have to say, I got to give a shout out to bosies and I'm looking forward to us being able to, uh, do something similar with our CTE program. So, although we're not going to have a food program there, which is unfortunate. So anyway, uh, audit Finance Grants. Um, that's, that's us, that we don't, we don't really have to say anything about that. We've been talking about that. Yeah. So, capital projects, anything Danielle. Jason. Oh you guys we had a meeting like presented what we saw with the Outdoor Learning spaces. That's building grass. All around building and grass. Yeah, sorry. Um, well still, so the presentation of the Outdoor Learning spaces and then Jason myself and Mr. Doss completed all those 13 buildings and 2. We saw
072the food service and there's um shop which are so impressive. I'm just going to put on the radar that they should be field trips within the district. Um super impressed. Thank you to the principals and the staff for letting us in. We walked pretty much every corner and kind of saw the improvements from last year to this year. Um, we heard of ideas and we definitely have some work to do within some of the buildings but it it's it's an operation to see 10,000 kids and the way these buildings operate and the amount of work that goes into it is just incredible. Okay. All right. CTE, is that part of what you did? Okay, you want to talk about that or you want to wait till next month? We didn't mean for CT. It's like
073every other month. So where we'll actually we're doing a well, you guys spend you guys did spend quite a bit of time with your, it was almost a week, wasn't it? It it was the course of like 2 weeks. Yeah, it was like 5 unpaid vacation days. Um, But it was, it was, of course, over 2 weeks. It was great. we're doing a walk through, um, into Pak committee. Pak did not meet in April. We are tentatively scheduled for May 16th. Communications equity and Outreach. Well, Communications, we did not meet in April, um, because of spring break, but we met the month before to discuss. All the graduation, all preparations and all of the end of the year events that are happening from field. Trips to graduations, moving up ceremonies and making sure that there's
074proper communication and all of the channels are covered. Um, so the parents and community members can see it and that we get The proper communication going out for that. Okay, policy committee. Um, well, I think we tried to schedule a meeting, but it Yeah, I don't I thought that was scheduled. That's not scheduled for tomorrow. Is it Thursday Thursday? Is it tomorrow know today, is Tuesday, apologize. Everybody, it seems like it's it seems like it's Wednesday. Um, Wow. Okay. So Yeah, we're going to have to figure that out. I I thought maybe it was No no, no, no, it's not, it's not tomorrow. No, it was supposed to be Thursday, wasn't it? Audit and finance is tomorrow. Um um, I'm not doing that. Thank you, I'm not doing that. No, I'm not, I'm not leaving
075here, but whatever. I'm having to get up to crack a dawn. so um, what about, uh, Call me at 5:30 in the morning, you'll hear about me and go after me, really not. I just don't want to have to slug my coffee down, Okay. Um, And the policy committee meeting. I thought we were scheduling something on that because we have a number of I think we're actually trying to schedule a tomorrow, right? So we're going to have to kick it out to next week or something. Yeah. Okay, so we'll get that squared away, uh, code of conduct anything. Nothing 10 minutes. 10 minutes schedule 516 at 4 p.m. right before the uh yeah committee meeting. Nice. Okay. 2 for All right. Any continuing business. Any new business I have. um, I don't But I wouldn't
076like to bring up auditing. Um, another department. So I would ask the audit and finance committee if we can look into an additional audit with payroll. Um, I don't need an answer today, but I would just like to start that conversation. We've got we received I believe a quote on it, but um I think we need to make a decision if if we want to do it and when we want to start it. So I just want to continue the conversation at the next meeting. I I think that I think the question that comes up and it has been discussed is are we talking about the process by which the it the payroll is Derived or are we speaking about somebody going to check and see if somebody worked 20 hours and they got paid
077$20 an hour? I think um I think my concern as a board member is what the feedback I'm getting, is that Amount of time. It's getting to. Like things like that, so maybe more procedural, you know, special with the red program and I know how hard people are saying after I need to make sure that they're, we need to make sure that they're paid on time. And so, I mean, that's a discussion that we can have. Well, that that's part of what the that's part of what the, you know, what? I I'm hoping that the audit would be, which is to evaluate our systems because there are a lot of moving parts and there are a lot of people that have to move a piece of paper from 1 spot to another approve. It somebody
078else has to prove it. Somebody else has to prove it and then it ultimately has to be submitted for payment, but then we also have multiple, um, Contracts. And and mous that have different that have different impact on a lot of things. So so I just so the question is going to be are we going to? Is it going to be a systems? Is it going to be a systems audit? Or is it going to be an audit of like, well, you know, so and so, you know, we're looking at all the time cards from this particular day, you know, to find out whether or not they're they were, you know, paid correctly because we have a lot of moving Parts. I I agree. And so that's my concern is getting processes. Yeah, the processes
079I mean, I see processes, I think the biggest you know, feedback as a board member. That's 1 of the top ones is just who still hasn't been paid or not paid, or it's missing. And then it's You know that, right? There's a lot of moving parts. So I think we need to look into that and we need to better. We've invested into software that's supposed to help with vacation. So I I want to make sure that we're on top of all that. Well, we've been we've been told That there's going to be. um, a, a more electronic and computer related way to track a lot of this stuff that's supposed to be implemented or ready for implementation sometime, you know, in in the listen my concern like can we get That was supposed to be
080done in March. We should, it was we have that systems working right now. They're doing a, it's a beta, right? They're testing. Yeah, we're doing a, a soft roll out with that. And fortunately, we have been doing small groups at a time, which allows us to Pivot. Um, and Mike has been instrumental in this too and regards to technology. So we had a hiccup. I plan on setting a mol out for a full roll out for the whole District to be able to see their payroll. This week, I'm waiting to hear back. We've had 1 small hiccup. That would create a, a large hiccup for people. And I emailed again today, and I'm just waiting for that to get cleared up and then that memo is drafted on my desk. Ready to go out. So
081everybody can see their payroll. Well, that's the that was the discussion from, you know, so that somebody would be able to look and see track their PTO and all the other. But even hold on a second. That was 1 Thing. The the other thing that we discussed in the audit finance committee meeting Was. The generation of time management. Electronics, rather than paper cards which you know, are easier. I I mean I'm I'm saying we think it's easier to track electronically. I have no idea if that's the case. I don't know how you verify. I I like paper myself but it's, you know, it's becoming a problem. So, yeah, I I think that there's been a large volume and like, especially in what substitutes Just look into this a little bit more and see what needs.
082With it with the air with our physical distance. I I agree with the electronic process assists with paths for approvals and such like that. However, that is going to be on the later end of this system. That's rolling out right now. So we need to get the first system. The first piece rolled out to all employees and the goal of that will be. We're going to roll it out. Now with the idea that by July, everybody would be logged in able to see things on the Fly, The people that have been able to get it in and look at their stuff, very, very positive feedback. And I would just like to say, we are the first district in this region to even be piloting it and rolling it out. So we're moving in the right
083direction with awesome. Sure we are. We matching up all the information that's coming on you know the The the rematching up the contracts and the and all of the the different nuances that are bargaining units. Have so that You know. We can try, you know, everyone can track that and keep things. So so yes. Actually this past week over break, there was a group of us here in the business office, we've actually reviewed the payroll processing calendar. That shows like what dates would be processed when Heather and her team. Um, have been working with that and reviewing those to make sure we had those on our website last year and we'll be doing that again this year. In addition to that, the HR team is reviewing all the contracts and putting all of the work
084days in to make sure we have all of that. Correct. And then we will continue on building those processes and procedures. So we have Master lists to be able to move forward with from year to year. It is there a is 1 of the discussions that we had, uh, at the audit committee was having an accessible place. for all of our, our contracts and and mous so that multiple multiple departments can access them. And then also, someone has to You know, we suffered in some instances and and it's understandable that, you know, somebody interprets, an agreement differently than somebody else. So I think we need to have a uniform. Interpretation. So that everyone agrees on So I think that's part of it, right? Sure in the application, right? And the other thing that we're doing
085too, is as a contract comes open. We are looking at the wording in that so that we're consistent. What we're finding is, there's specifics in regards to holidays, for example, some reference, the school district calendar, some have specific holidays listed in their agreement. That may not may or may not match up with what the district holiday calendar is. So those are all things that we have been working on and compiling and as those agreements open up we're going to try to be consistent so that um to Mr. Had like this point, we are more fluid in regards to being able to implement. There is a drive that has all of the contracts in it. Now I believe we're still building you know the analysis. Those are a little bit more difficult to make sure that
086we have every single 1 of them in there. But we are we have made progress with a combined drive for all the current contracts. Yeah I think that conversation on the software and all that piece we can definitely put in the May or June you know whatever you have enough information to present. Send it. But I think, I guess my request of the board would be at the next meeting or to discuss the The payroll and and what what it's going to look like in the sampling and stuff like that, but I would like to put on the radio. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Well, I mean, that was part of what we were planning on doing anyway but then I appreciate you making giving us a reminder, but I think the big issue again
087is going to be what's going to be looked at because it's a more of a process issue as opposed to looking to see if somebody uh multiplied hours times rate. Well, that's also benefits the order. There's still some in there have they'll be able to do that level of analysis to assessment of Provided that, what you? Sanction them to do. Yeah. And I know Dr. Spencer does the cost Analysis. So, I think we also have to see financially. What would be the best option? Yeah, I just want to Echo 2 points at least as I've understood them. I agree with vice president Pula, but it's a concern. Like the payroll is obviously, it's a concern. I think it's worth this board investing in doing an audit of that, but to President Obama's point, If that's
088targeted at systems and procedures, there's not going to be much gained out of just pulling random time cards. I think. Absolutely. They'll assistance with procedures audit of the payroll systems is warranted. Well, I'm glad we all agree. Okay, any uh, any other new business? Any communication til you want to communicate anything? All right. Um, I don't think we need to do another executive session. So can I have a motion to adjourn? Second, all in favor, we are a journal