Board of Education Meeting - 3/25/2025

001All right, here it goes. All right. Uh, I'm going to call to order the March 25th, 2025 uh board of education meeting. To start, let's all stand for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Dan falling. He is going to be about 20 minutes late, so he'll be jumping on as soon as he's available. And Steve's running late as well. Um, let's see here. Can I get a motion for approval of the minutes uh for the March 11th uh board of education meeting as submitted? I'm sorry. Okay. Can I get a motion a consent agenda motion for approval of one two three and 14 for approval of

002a minutes and agenda please? Second. Discussion. All in favor? I. Okay. Next is business operations. And this is also going to be a uh consent agenda. Uh, I'm going to need a motion for a consent agenda for approval of 2.1 approval of a general fund warrant from March 15, 2025 in the amount of 528,37754 an approval of a federal special aid fund warrant, excuse me, from March 15, 2025 in the amount of $1,499.76 and approval of a capital fund warrant from March 15, 2025 in the amount of $164,7452 as well as approval of a lunch a school lunch warrant of March 15th in the amount of $8,14628 and approval of cseps recommendations uh 3,39 25,000 002 350 and 111 and two 21,863. Can I get a motion for a consent agenda to approve? So moved.

003Second. Have a second. Any discussion? All in favor? I all any opposed? So move. Motion carries. Uh third agenda item, good news. Okay, so uh we had our National Honor Society inductions yesterday and we had 24 new inductees for our National Junior Honor Society. Um and there they all are. So, uh, I know that Tim Jones is a proud dad, as well as Peter Cassatelli are proud dads because, um, your son and your daughter were inducted. So, it was a a very nice event. Um, very proud of all of our students and their achievements and their accomplishments and their, um, willingness to really live by the five pillars. and also proud I don't have a picture of our senior high honor society inductees um but we have Seth Bridge Erica Foley Haley Proputitz Orin Tingley

004Magnolia Shurer Juliana Eisenhut Salem Grim Ryland Stanton so again uh Steve is a proud dad here and Thomas Travisani so um very proud of all of our students and it was a really nice event last night congratul ratulations to all these new members. And I know uh Katie Hansen accompanied the FFA on their Saturday competition and I believe one of the the groups is now going to states. Yeah. Mr. Jones, did you sign on that team on an FFA team or not? Well, I think that so they were very nervous. I think they did really well in the morning and then they went to the afternoon competition. They were freaked out in the afternoon too and then they they made a mistake. So it was really nice. What kind of team is it kind of

005competition? So well so I in the morning was in public speaking and then in the afternoon I was in exemplary. So they keep judges away from the school that they're with. So, I can go mingle with the kids, but um it was some sort of group public speaking that I don't ever get to go with whatever they're doing. But it was just Sydney kept coming up to me um telling me how nervous they were and I don't think they don't feel like they did well and they're not moving forward. So, for them to move forward, it was really great. Um, and then just to recognize Cindy Gallagher because she puts in a ton ton of extra time and she is just super excited the whole time we're there and it's they're a lot of Saturdays.

006So, it seems like her teams are always very well prepared and do very well in these competitions and different things going on. the week before they constantly I mean she's here till ungodly hours at night and the kids are in there presenting and a lot of the big things their timing their um their overall presentation skills their eye contact their hand gestures their mannerisms I mean it's really really in depth so that's awesome right and Eddie will be here he was there but since as our student remember's first year in FFA and Gabe was like, "Oh my god, you have no idea. I had no idea this is what it was like." So, it's exciting. That's great. Okay. So, um we'll continue to discuss our budget for the 2526 school year. So, I also would

007like to call your attention to our budget development calendar and where we are this evening. So tonight we will be presenting an updated budget. Okay. So uh we were able to really I guess refine some of those budget codes so that they're accurate accurate depictions. Um and then we also have recommendations for efficiency. So we'll be going over that. And then um we'll also be talking about fund balance options as a way to balance our budget because I missed the last meeting. How much I see the total deficit on this first is 870. We're going to go through it. Uh so I think initially it was million. We didn't have all the final numbers on everything. So So it was about actually 1.2 million. We don't know where we're ending this year yet. But do

008we know if we're gonna have We're trending that I presented that. Um I think I did it by taper though last board meeting. So I can send it to We're trending for a surplus. No, we added it in the presentation. So if you looked at last um last week or two weeks last board meetings presentation, we did put how we were trending in there, but we can give it to you. We have an idea like Yeah, we're trending on target. On target. Yes. Yeah. No extra no extra no well it will go in the reserve but we also have some recommendations um that you'll see um with our efficiencies but so far so you know like you get your final bills in around this time and so we'll get a I think clearer picture as

009we go through well like every little bit but right now right and we're cutting off um purchase orders April 15th no more purchasing for the district unless it's an emergency so that we get everything in and we have a final we can start reconciling and having a very clear vision. Okay. And also we'll be finalizing um our amendments for the different title grants so we can maximize and make sure that everything we said originally that we were going to put in the grant that we've spent those monies on and if we didn't then we have to substitute something else. So that we're maxing out. Exactly. So those are still um so those are still things that we have to do. Okay. Um, and our budget goals. We've gone over these every meeting uh and they

010they haven't changed. So again, these are recommendations, but I I just want to go over um so that you know that we've we've dug deep and um so the telephone system and you know that this is a priority. So we are able to accommodate this through Boseies. We are going to have a loan from our fund balance basically and Cynthia can explain this in more detail of the money so that we can um pay for it through our Boseis coaster. So the 200 that goes out of the coaster, do we get all of it back? 90% back 80% back. 80. Yeah. So what's the timing of the 180 that'll come back in and follow? I mean it's it's an aid, so it's going to be the following school year. Yes. So, but I have to

011get it included in this year's. So, when I go to meet with them and I give them that final 526, right? We pay it for the whole year. It comes in 2627. Yeah. 2627. It's just included in our, you know, our Boseis aid. So, it's a an expense-driven aid. In order to spend money, you know, in order to get the money on Boseies, you have to spend the money. So, this is a great example of how we can be efficient in getting a new phone system. Otherwise, we could have included it in a capital project, but we talked about that. That would have been, you know, maybe two years out. Um, and then we wouldn't, right? So, so this is definitely a good way to get it quickly. Just understand. So, Boseies gives you, let's

012say, $1,000 a year today, and then you borrow money, they're going to give you back a,000 plus money in. No. Are we actually get a check back for Bosey's? No, no, no, no, no. It has nothing to do with Boseies. It has nothing to do with BOSIS. Well, it's Bosey's aid, but it comes through our the state foundation aid formula at all. That's how you know when we get all of our aid. So, do you remember posters come in under the Bosey's budget? Yes. And that raises the aid that we get back to apply to that. Yes. Hold on. Where's the So we we went in the revenues kind of it's in the revenues. That's what I was trying to figure out. You actually get the dollars back that we can put back into reserve

013or it goes into eight and it's going eight. So you don't it goes into eight. You don't see it. You don't see it. So you can't redeposit it. So it is because it's made up of so many think it's so it's so many complex numbers in here and you're not aided the same on each of these numbers. Is it a service? Is it equipment? It's 80%. Oh, that's cool. I just trying to figure out if we check back that back in the reserve. No, you do get a check. You get a check from the state and it's a Boseies. This is your Boseies aid, but it's not you're not going to look at it and go, "Oh, I got that." But the only way we have that 180 is if at the end of the

014year we stay on budget for everything else and correct that becomes a surplus number that we can then move to. And when we look at the reserves and we're talking about loaning for this the Bonics that actually is going to be a check back. So that can actually go into that year because the smart bonds do come in drop. Yes. So you're actually just making a loan on that one. But on this one, no, there's not an actual check that comes back to you. So we're also in the process of having a deep dive into our software usage. Um so we met with the Rick. So we have software that comes from a number of different places. It can come from the OM Boseies. It can come from the Mobosies, but mostly it comes from

015the the Rick. Okay. And so in addition to meeting with our program administrator from the Rick, we also sent out a survey today. Um we're looking at our analytics, but we also wanted to hear from teachers directly. So we have the the usage numbers from the analytics, but we also wanted to ask teachers directly, okay, so who uses this and and how do you use it? Um, so any software that has low usage, we're going to be eliminating because it's just not financially worth it. Um, because we want to replace it with things that we are going to use more um, you know, with our students. So one of those So it's going to be a wash. It's a wash, but it's just being more efficient. So, it's it's budget neutral. So, so we're not

016cutting overall the overall budget in our software. We're swapping so that we can correct. So, one of the So, we've been talking about I Ready. So, it's really the D the district's progress monitoring system and that it really at this time it hasn't really kept up and there were a number of grade levels not really using it well. the testing is really arduous for students. So, the elementary school led by their principal Kathy uh conducted a review of other opportunities and other options for this progress monitoring software. So they um are recommending again it's through the Rick and uh they're really excited about it and just feel it will really help to um you know do a better job of progress monitoring students and also allowing them to practice their skills more. So that is

017something we're looking to swap out and we're getting rid of I Ready and we're also having a demonstration with KIGO tomorrow and I did send you some information about it. So it's basically an ittutor and it's really really it's it's the future right now right and so for example we don't have a a a strong ais program for math so the I um the tutor can really help students interacting with students not giving them the answer but helping them problem solve. So um in English they can talk directly to characters you know from books um and you know we saw the demonstration in 60 minutes and they actually had a chemistry teacher and they actually planned the lessons for the chemistry teacher. So so offers a lot of possibilities. Tomorrow we are having a demonstration

018in the afternoon on our early release day. We're going to be looking at it and I really believe that our teachers are going to be excited about it. Again it's cutting edge. um districts in Texas are seeing a huge impact in their results with it. So I think that uh it's something that we'll be adopting and that's $15 a student. Again, it's through a Boseis Coaster. So that's why I'm not saying we're going to um have a savings, but it will be a one out on the Ready is it at the end of the year. It's all at the end of the year. So it's a so everything's a July one, a transition. Yes. the training tomorrow with on $15 a student. Is there any other continued professional development to ensure that that gets used?

019I mean, we'll find out all about those things and you know, I mean, obviously, we're going to, you know, watch the usage, right? It's our first meeting. We're going to watch usage and again, teachers need to be trained, teachers need to collaborate in how to use it in your classroom. um find out what their model is for the best roll out of usage. Yeah. And and a lot of peer collaboration and that's really powerful for teachers with doing away with some of the lower usage software if it's like something that a certain department uses or like two people in a department. Um they um are upset that they're losing it obviously for a reason finances. Um trying to get them on board to come and we go. Exactly. I I feel like it's going to

020possibly be hard. Um well, I mean, I think that, you know, for example, we're paying 8,500 for one um software platform for one teacher. So, we just have to be more efficient and this teacher has tried to get other teachers on board, but just hasn't been successful. So, in those cases, um we're not going to. I mean obviously if it's a a software that's specific to the Spanish department I mean obviously that you know we we will continue you have to have a pretty high return on investment if you're one one teacher is using it you got to see a especially the cost a good increase in scores and that's right right so we're we're you know we're reviewing it all and analyzing it and I think yeah I mean that's Very it's a good

021idea. It's very common in the corporate world. I mean they go through do you get a choice what software you use? I don't negotiate. No. I got sent a list of what I have and my usage on it and I'm like you haven't logged in a certain amount of time. Well, I think not having a choice is different from getting teachers on board and wanting to use it and being supportive of like a new program which Yes. And so I just don't want that to be overseen because that I know has been difficult. So and and I'm sure that the rep tomorrow for a demonstration will you know be happy to help us. She's actually from Asiggo and she's the New York State rep and she was a teacher at one point that she's at.

022Yes. Yes. So I I think she'll be very helpful. So we were able to um include the replacement of football helmets in the sports bud in the athletic budget. So, so for next year for next school year. Um, is that part of the schedule replacement? Yes. Yes. So, when that was on the needs assessment for the what was it like $10,000 and if we're including it in the athletic budget, we were able to include it because So, did it eliminate anything else? Um, well, obviously he has to manage his bud his budget and he can't go over it, you know. So, um you know, he has a replacement schedule for whatever he needs in in um athletics and different 25 26 budget over 24. So, uh in athletics for athletics, nothing. I I think it's

023just like a cost of living 30%. I was going to say that budget stays pretty flat. Tom Town doesn't get g give him a whole lot to play with. No. So, he's just choosing you. He's just gonna it's a it's a situation where we replace or we stop having right especially with that it's necessary to continue. Yeah. And the vendor tells us which which helmets. So we send out all the helmets to the vendor and they review them for safety. They you know and then they tell us how many Steve having questions about that too as far as like and we get the best helmets as possible from the vendor. He was a exNFL player. Yes. The vendor vendor rep who works with Tom. I think as long as they're passing the certification. Yeah. They

024get they get reconditioned and re u reertified yearly. Yes. I do believe that uh high school all has to be redone every year. Popers every two years. I know for a fact because I was part of that process. Um so personally in my eyes that's Mr. different job and I'm not I'm don't feel I'm right. That's his job, but it's not my job. And I think to to Kate's point, I mean, as far as he's managing that budget, one thing that I that I've talked about before that I would like to explore this year with regard to especially the football program is when we're partnering with other districts, is there an opportunity to capture some of these costs back when it pertains to we're we're footing the bill for transportation, for equipment, for it's good

025to have students coming in and helping maintain that program, but at the same time, it's a benefit to these other districts. And if it we are able to gain back some dollars, then that's money that can go back into Tom's budget as well. Well, so I think we have to proceed with caution here because there are a lot of times when we ask other districts to allow our students to participate in their programs um and they haven't charged us. Yeah. So last year Hamilton I mean they did transport and there there were certain times that we didn't have a driver so they transported. So there is a give and take there. We have three students. I mean we can explore that but I just want to proceed with caution in that area. I think just

026understanding it and I think it really stands out because football is going to be the most expensive the most expensive sport to so we do require that they get their own transportation to school. We don't go and pick them up or drop them off anywhere. So they're they have to have private transportation here and then they just catch the bus. Right. The rest transportation to the games, right? But I just as I think about I just wanted to let you know we're going there. Yeah. And but you have to have a new uniform when everybody gets a new uniform, right? And a new helmet. Yes. And originally the district sought the partnership because we had low numbers, right? And to maintain the program and maybe that any recuperation would be negligible, but at least looking

027at it, it's you're not going to get much off. And it would be it would be charging the district. It would be charging the district. It wouldn't be charging the players because it's not a payto-play program, right? Okay. Um, laminators. So, our laminating machines are broken and this is a crisis. You know, teachers need laminating machines. So, we are able to include in this year's budget. So, so we will be replacing both laminators in both buildings. So they're one is completely broken and one barely works. So right cost 2500 I thought maybe like $8,000 $20,000 for Okay. So uh we are looking to purchase uh Vonics again that's through smart bonds and so that's on you know the agenda. So that's definitely going to happen. Um so on hold this is something we need to

028just keep watching. So we hope we can have um a summer program at MPS. I mean we've had over 100 students there in the enrichment program. Three weeks kids have been with us in the morning and then in the afternoon they've been at the rec center. So we're hoping that um our state aid comes in a little bit higher and that we are able to offer this program. is the total cost of that program. It's about 25,000 a year a summer. And we've been funding it through the pandemic relief fund. Correct. Yeah. And we've been saying for two years just for record, right? To give everybody a heads up that at some point we could the plug may have to get pulled, right? Yes. The money and that may have to happen. So, it's on

029hold. We'll continue to to watch it. We'll continue to discuss it and we'll make our decision in April. As far as the Vonics go, is there any um con consideration for the professional development money going towards training for that? Oh, absolutely. We can we can have training. We'll have to have training. You know, I mean, this will be new. This will be big. So, absolutely. Um Okay. So now on the other side we look at budget efficiencies. Okay. So um I think we need to look at some reductions um over this year and the following year. That that's my my recommendation. So this year we do have um some retirements. We are looking at these retirements and analyzing the positions um and figuring out the details, but the recommendation would be to um not fill

030those positions. Are they announced retirements yet? Yes. So, what Well, I I don't want to get everybody all nervous right now. Um we'll have more details in place for you at the next meeting, but it's something that we're working on and we believe we can cover this um and you know with just efficiencies and our programs. So what's the um overall teacher to student ratio here now? Um off the top of my head I I'm not I I don't know, but it's it's pretty good. It's very very favorable. And it's different for each building. And it's different also. It's different for each building. And I did share with you at the beginning of the school year class size report for MPS in September. I can pull that out. How how far off the teacher's contract

031is current ratio? You would think is there a contract limit? Usually it's like 25 to 30. Well, if you have a certain especially MPS and students with disabilities and how many students you have play a role in the contract as well, we could pull that for you. And I I I did give you the class size report in in September and I emailed it to you and I know it hasn't changed that much. I can pull that out in a minute. What nonmandated programs do we have that could be considered? Well, again, what you what do you consider non-mandated program? I mean, there are certain things that mandated programs. Well, there's certain things that we um you know, for example, our SRO, our SPO. Now, there are many things in our budget that Well, if

032you're talking reducing two positions through retirements, it would be instructional, I'm assuming. Correct. So, what non-mandated programming do we have uh in the district that's instructional? Chinese. Well, so that's on so so so yeah, Mandarin's on the next page. Well, actually, it's right there below. Yeah. Um, so I mean, okay, I'll talk about it. So, we um have hired special education at at uh MPS. Um, so one of the recommendations is that we're changing our model from a self-contained um and this would be more for a co-eing um consultant teacher push-in model and we need to follow least restrictive environment. we have added um two positions um in special ed and so this would be a retirement um and I believe that we can um continue to deliver uh the services for our special ed

033students um and um we can also um make this reduction. Just to clarify, we did say that our special ed numbers went up 20%. Correct? They did. So that kind of seems backwards. Well, it's only because we're changing our model. We're changing our model. But is it 20% of what students 20% of 10 then goes to 10 to 12? Is it 20% 100? I think it it went 80 to 100. I enrolled 30 kids with disabilities since August and I just enrolled two more in the past two weeks. So districtwide, what would probably be an interesting exercise for this is look at your staff student ratio in both buildings for all positions. Yes. Right. And figure out especially that's not the place to put it. Well, so I think you have to understand we're changing

034the model. We have to change the least restrictive environment so we don't have just a few kids in one classroom for the full day. The model is changing and so I believe that we and we've added two positions okay during the pan since I've been here. So I believe that positions a couple years ago prior to that right and we added two positions at MPS and we also added a special ed position here. So, so listen. So, you can this is ultimately the board's decision. You asked me for my recommendation. Okay. Okay. I'm just telling you you should you should not be uh you should not shy away from this. Okay. Tough dis tough conversations and and there's more. So, we'll talk about say a couple things, right? So, the first thing is is in

035the contract there's staff student ratio, right? Like that's what we pay for in the contract, right? go up to it. It's totally acceptable. Don't be apologetic for it. The second thing is you got to figure out is where are you way off that there's like very low enrollment for certain class and figure out what's the way to put the pieces puzzle together and then figure out what do you have left because the fact is after you go through this school budget year and you take some out of reserve and then you go into next year you have to use the same amount of reserve again you're going to be broke. Exactly. That's why I'm so I'm just like laying it out. Okay. So, we'll continue to be looked at deep my opinion. I don't know

036what the other it's a it's a student to teacher ratio but it's also putting the pieces together for curriculum maintaining proper the number of classes they can that each teacher can absolutely and mandated program it's a whole it's a whole puzzle and that's what I think would be really interesting is to understand how the sausage is made behind that puzzle is important right so if you're going to ask for uh let's say two positions maybe that should be then maybe it should be zero but without knowing all those moving pieces and how it goes like that's what really interests me because that's where there's probably a lot of opportunity is and so I can tell you up here Kurt and Andre are looking at you know right now we have course selections coming in right

037so they're analyzing that but the course selection process is not completed so they don't have all the full numbers yet so so they probably won't until right before we go out for the spring break. Um but they're watching it and they're looking at this year's numbers and they're also um know where the areas possibly are going to be for proficiencies. Um but but it's it's but it the the schedule is more complicated up here because you have basically four teachers in the four areas and that's all schedules and then you have five in science and the reason you have five in science is because they have a separate lab. Okay. And then they also have um you know we also have we grew our special ed uh 15-1 program. So Andre is also looking at

038our 15-1 program and how to make that more efficient. So, we're we're reviewing a lot and I wouldn't come to you with a recommendation about staffing reduction. Um, unless I believed it was something that we could absorb. Well, I guess my question is how do we know that that's Well, so um I don't think Yeah. So, I don't think we need to reduce more. Um because you'll see when we show the final numbers about what the gap is. Um and we do need to use fund balance. Absolutely. So I I think it's a much more manageable number. So let me continue and we'll continue to deliberate on this. I just give you one more just so you understand. Yes. Right. And Justin Tim and others probably too. It's like you always try to model things

039out in different scenarios, right? Best case scenario, worst case scenario, and then you choose something in between, right? what you think works best with the business and that's what I'm trying to get at. It's like I have a recommendation. I don't disagree with the recommendation. I have a problem with the recommendation but we don't have any insight behind other opportunity or how deeper you could potentially go. Especially again we're planning 25 26 but we have to think about 26 and beyond otherwise absolutely passing huge tax increases on and if you don't get in front of it a dollar that you save today right is gonna you're gonna have to say $5 three years from now to pick up every dollar so because you're going to be you're not going to have any time to accumulate

040it. I guess one of the questions I have is is one of those two positions does in the elementary school. That's that's just something I wanted to look at. Okay. And so I'll give you more details um at our next meeting or Yeah. Okay. So now we have a number of new textbooks that we are in need of. And I know that many of you say textbooks. Well, so we use textbooks, we use software, we use a combination of everything. So, we have three new courses that the district is offering, which we're really excited about next year. We have AP Physics, okay, which is a course that's taught concurrently with regions physics. We have AP English language, which is formerly our will be our English um 11 honors class. And then we have um AP

041world which was formerly our um 10 uh social studies 10 honors class. So this is a huge opportunity for our students um to and some of those classes are even dual credit. So they could have regents dual credit and even AP credits. So so a lot of really great opportunities for more rigorous um curriculum. So, I feel like we have a good balance of the the more rigorous courses and and our program for, you know, more struggling learners with a three-year purchasing schedule for that. Um, I'm under the impression, and correct me if I'm wrong, that the AP textbooks, they're required for the So, those would have to be the um the priorities. Yeah. So, we would have money for in the budget. would have to we would have to purchase those um and then

042we would have to put off algebra and then also put off grades four and five science. Are there cheaper alternatives to download books versus buy a hard cover, hard copy that the kids pull into their So they're looking I know they're looking at all options about what textbooks are, you know, the the college board is recommending. So it could be does elementary school even have textbooks? So I think one of the things that we talked about was the textbooks just like is the tag, but it doesn't include a lot of the workbooks. The actual correct the consumables. Yeah, consumables. So, I know we say textbooks, but I think a lot of that's something and the consumables that they're using. So, all you consum when you say textbook, you think of those traditional huge clunky hard

043cover things. I think we're kind of it's not that also. And do you remember they just read um Percy Jackson in sixth grade? That came off Sora. So, they everybody we didn't have to buy it. activities right on their computer free application that just because I'm going to say I have not seen a textbook either one of my children coming home I know homework because it doesn't happen anymore right a lot of the textbooks remain in the classroom too right but still they still come home with a workbook and I always so I should have put resources how about resources no no no now there's clarification I see that workbook home almost it's just the code is textbook the code is we do get we do get some textbook aid Yeah, but it's just not

044enough. No, it's compared to what? Yeah. How much does that save us? It It's not going to save us anything, but it smooths it out over three years. That's all. So, we can't buy all these books in one year. Even though, you know, there's a new algebra curriculum, we need a new book. I think like everything in the district has to have a replacement plan. It can't be when so you do new needs assessments and those are good to know what you're you know the upcoming because curriculum changes and everything but if we don't have replacement plans we're not really looking at the future of how each thing is going to get replaced right with algebra and and having a new math teacher what supports would we have then if they don't have resources if

045there's a new math curriculum if they're teaching that course. I don't know which they that the new teacher probably wouldn't be teaching algebra. Um but you know we have a very strong teacher leader Rosanne Caner and she's working on all these same you know concerns that you have and we are posting for um that math position on OAS. So Mandarin so we've talked about this last year. Do you remember the presentation? Well we updated it. So, guess what's happening in Mandarin? It's still not going in the right. Kids are really still dropping out. Um, and I do have some updated numbers here. Uh, but um it, you know, you can see this is the checkpoint A. So, this is like the first requirement for uh, you know, regions credit. And you can see that students

046aren't even making it to that level. Um, and then here you have the checkpoint B. So now nobody's making it to that level. And that's really worrisome because that's the advanced designation. I know we are changing diploma types but that will still always be you know some kind of added uh you know seal on a diploma that students who are getting that level of language proficiency that through Spanish or yes we offer French no Spanish so no so we have we have Spanish we have ASL and ASL is very popular here um the students love it yeah American Sign Language and the teacher is wonderful and uh you know the students really like this teacher and his he actually is the child of deaf parents and grew up hearing and he has a lot of

047great stories he tells the kids so there's two other options there are two other options yes but the the ASL is through Boseies so it is um so it's a service or it's a person so ASL I believe is a service it's per class so what's The highest class that we have students in well it start the highest class is sixth grade something new so well well some after sixth last time I saw this there were some people working on mandarin past sixth grade right there's mandarin at the high school right well yes but um so how many are in I mean well I mean that's what 1B should be seventh But it drops 1B should be seventh grade and right now they're three, right? So it went from 12 to three. I'm just trying

048to figure out if anyone's actually on a trajectory. Well, we have seven stu Yeah, you would have to phase out the program. So here you have seven students here. Um, but you can see that it wouldn't take long to phase it out because there just aren't a lot of students. The recommendation is to phase out elementary right now. Take it out of sixth grade. Yes. don't offer it. Correct. And then finish. That's the recommendation. Exactly. So that's why even though the whole program costs 83,000 83,000 um we only realize about 25,000 for next year unless they're more students who are reduced. I mean I don't know. We'll have to see if more students still. I'm just trying to figure out like that's that's a pretty big differential. Yeah. 60 grand for how I can't read

049how many students go to a high school. So they're not charging you by students, they're charging you by by class. So you could have three students in a section and it's the same price as having 12. And anytime you go over 13, it's a whole other 12th grade. Anyone? No. We have anybody in 10th? I don't believe we have anyone in 10th. So why don't we just pull the plug on the whole program? Well, because those ninth graders could then next year be getting uh the So, I think we have to see where numbers come. How many How many ninth graders do I All right, so hold on. Ninth graders would be class of which one? Ninth graders are class of 2028. All right, so here we have six, seven, six, seven, eight, ninth. We

050have three ninth graders. So, it's not clear whether or not those three nth graders will continue. They might. And then they can get the advanced designation by taking the checkpoint. Have a conversation with them. It says there's two. No, but no, no, no. They need to continue because then they get the checkpoint B exam and they can get they're eligible for the advanced check and that's when we really see kind of the end of the I mean, if we start off with 12 and then we only have three after checkpoint B is going to be a very that those three might become none or one. Exactly. Exactly. So, so I think yeah, at the very least, unless Are there other schools that offer this that you can do like that class with? So, um, well,

051so yes, I mean, we project out. So, she does, you know, broadcast from water. Oh, sure. So, yeah. So, Clinton actually had a Mandarin program and they discontinued theirs last year. Do they get paid for that? Is there any other schools that broadcast out? Um I I think other schools might just come on in we'll take up to right with that. Right. So we have to see where course selections but the recommendation is that we don't continue with next year's sixth graders. Yeah. But on the high school piece though like if we're giving our service that is only but is other. No I I am to be honest with you I'm not sure. I know she does broadcast out. Does anybody know? I don't know exactly here. I don't know if she does broadcast out

052though. So, it's only our students here. Just our student. And I think and I like the recommendation to discontinue beginning next year. But I think as her andre continue to see the numbers come in, then it might lead into a a more a discussion about a larger cut. Yeah. All right. And because if it's if it comes down to one student left in it pursuing checkpoint B, then I think we have to then explore every option to give to get that stu that one student to that checkpoint. But maybe it's not by supporting a program here. Yeah. Is there another way that we can we can do it for that one that one student for that? Yeah. Could be. I mean, you probably to come in here and Hey, Conigo and teach one person or

053less than that. Like, yeah, because if there is still one student, I would hate for them not to reach that checkpoint. But can we can we do it for the full cost of the program? And and we will look into all those once we know our numbers. Yeah. So, thank you everybody. Okay, I've got one more slide. So, the digital radio. So, we've talked about this and this is a safety issue. School system. Yes. So, um, so we do need to upgrade to the digital radio system for transportation that interfaces with our district radios here. So, I did apply last year to the Barton Fund and we were not funded for this. Um, but we can accommodate it in this year's equipment budget. So originally we um so we can accommodate it now. So uh

054our recommendation is that we do spend this year's monies um to purchase it because we had some through the equipment budget. That's without increasing the budget. Yes. Correct. Okay. Yeah. Because you can't increase once you go into the budget year and you have to stay within your equipment budget. It's the one part of the budget that you're not allowed to increase. So if I had other money in other parts of the budget, I can't put it in equipment. It's like heat special, right? So I'm gonna I'm gonna comment a little bit on this. I'm very familiar with the digital radios from an analog system to the digital system. I would like somebody or whomever is going to be sales point of sales or whatever whoever is going to be working this process, they need to

055test every part of our district. If we're putting digital radios inside these um school buses for one knowing for a fact the village of Arisky Falls does not support digital radios at all. I know the fact because the fire department system on county supports digital radios and they do not work. They just went back for a grant through the state um to support now they just moved our radios to or not ours but the several different locations within the county um to a cellularbased radio those radios. So they the radios that we have currently now are about 30 2500 to 3500 for a mobile hip radio. I do not want to spend a radio to put in these school buses unless they are tested in these locations. North Brookfield area, they do not work. Up

056by Chip and Pond, they do not work. So, David is your subject, don't they? That's Well, that's my point. So, it has been proven and county is working diligently with Motorola to put in special um towers. So, so these work off of a cell though. So, they're digital. Yes, that's correct. And they're going to put repeaters in the school. That's correct. Still does not matter. So, that's why if this is again digital is Yeah. Well, we can invite you in to work with Tom and Ethan. Yeah, I would be more Yeah, I just I know the cost of the radios and how you know digital was the new thing. Digital is the new thing but unfortunately to our geographical area. All right. So, so this is the dilemma. So, we have dead zones and it's

057very it's very it's not safe and they do not work with inside the school. So, well, so we have to figure out I am not there's a lot of that I need to get out to the public and to staff to know that digital radios are the new beginning, but they are not the fix. I can walk in here with a with our fire department radios as your SR probably has a radio as well. You're in the county. You walk 10 feet into this building and we're on a service. Yeah. So, we're going to invite you. Apparently, the district tested the bus once. Perfect. Okay. So, the district tested the radios on its buses and confirmed their effectiveness and significantly improving communication. 100%. They did. Yes. So, we tested it. Yes. area but well they

058significantly I will not dis disagree your communication will be 110% better but you go from analog system which works in those dead zones that is a little scratchy versus so we don't have actually any analog that's working so we've had buses having to pull over and use their cell phone absolutely in order to communicate with system is going to work cell phones don't even work in certain and some of the cell phones don't even work in certain areas. So that's why we we have to solve this issue. I just don't jump in a big question and and we'll bring you in the proposal. It's JPJ electronics. Oh, okay. Yeah. No, they they are the professionals, but they are very much aware of the situation. Yeah. All right. Thank you. Okay. So, we've talked about a

059capital outlay um project for the next school year to replace MPS classroom doors in the intermediate wing. So, this will also be part of it. Remember, it's all aidable at our at our aid ratio for building aid. So, definitely um you know, worthwhile for the district to do. We definitely need to maintain our SRO and SPO. So, if you um were on the board prior to the pandemic, that's when we started the SPOS's, the the safety patrol officers at MPS and they were funded by the sheriff's department. So, that is no longer the case. So, we fund it completely. So, there are things reasons why our our budget has grown and that is another reason, but I don't think it's something that in this day and age we would ever want to eliminate. When did

060you start funding it though? Um, I want to say it was the 2122 school year. Our budget for Yes. It came out of the county budget. Okay. As I said, we have our three new advanced placement courses that we're excited about. Um, so I wanted to talk to you about the Boseis policy service. So that is $13,400 for the year. Again, that's before aid. So, I did speak with NISBA today and and they offer a number of services. So, the service that I'm familiar with is that every quarter they send you they have, you know, a lot of attorneys who work for them. Every quarter they send you all of the policy updates, okay? And you get them through board docs. You can also search for policies they had already updated in the past. So,

061so that is the service that I'm used to and what it looks like is that you get those, the policy committee meets, they go through those in addition to other policies, but if you have questions, um, so that's the issue. If you have questions, you can send it to them. Um, but in my old district, we sent them to our attorneys if we had questions. So, so that's a different, you know, it's a different level of service than what we're used to. Um, the other thing we've talked about is having a whole review of our policies because I think we all agree we have a lot of them. I was just then I was going to ask if any of these policy services are offering the opportunity for we have I have an opportunity with

062a lot of our legal documents that if you take electronic format so if we took all of our policies in electronic format and uploaded it against the most upto-date that are offered in the policy service, it would automatically go through and redline for you automatically our policies where they're deficient or not deficient. So AI, it sounds like AI utilizes AI to redline and update in a matter of what what service is that? The ones that I'm utilizing right now, they're smaller they're smaller companies, but I know like Lexus Nexus is getting involved in that space, but it's it's out there. So I'm guessing that they've got to be working with vendors. So right. So but if they but at the same time if they have a large staff of attorneys sure the incentive to sure

063but I know that there's opportunities out there for that and there's got to be where the ability to run it through. So you in the course of one day you would have redlined updates to it and then you work through your policy commit. So that sounds great. So, uh, at this point, what I would recommend is to So, when you get those, if you sign up for the service where you get the quarterly policy updates, that's $900. So, I think it's totally worth it. Wait, what's the $900? I'm sorry. So, basically, they'll send you their model policies. Yep. NISBA. Um, quarterly, and that's $900 a year. And then we would be adding extra attorney fees for them to look over or you just send them to FAR if we have a policy like for example

064we had a question about our athletic policy. So I'm going to call our attorney. So I did um so so that isn't going to go away. That's not going to go away. But I would recommend that the district try that next year. Um you need to pay those 12 for Yeah, we we do that. Yeah. No, we play them next year. is 13,400. Okay. For the the policy service. So I mean, well, so they they manage all of our policies. So if you look at our our policies on our website, they manage all of that. So tonight on our um on board docs, you can see all these policies. So I updated those with the policy committee. And so then they'll go back to the Mobosis. Oh, since knocking then they go back to the

065Mobosis and they format it, make it look nice, and then they're going to upload it. But they send us model policies and they will if I send them a a policy and that I have questions on, they answer me and they'll update it for me. So, what would that mean for like the formatting for our policy book? Would that change then? Because it wouldn't be um it would go through board docs. Yes, we would we would manage that in district. Do we have the capacity? So, um I don't want to like Hey, Jen. Yeah, she's your clerk. So, Jen is the board clerk and uh that sounds like a lot. It's not really that. I mean, I can upload at least in the beginning, it seems like a lot. Once it's once it's on there,

066managing it probably easier than the transition, right? But it's not I mean, it's not like I mean, we do have a lot of policies on tonight, right? But it's just then you I mean I was formating them. They're not bad, right? So I I think it's absolutely manageable because I think it's manageable. What about And if it's not, you can always sign back up for the service with the NISPA sending the policies to us quarterly. They would just be sending out their model policies, their model, any updates, they send those. So that would not match our policies directly because our numbers don't match the state required policies. So you have to go and download your policy, have a policy meeting. You would compare their quarterly power policies to yours like we do and then come

067up with the change to theirs and then give them to you'd have to change all of the numbers. You would have to combine certain policies. I've done a lot of work comparing our policies to NISPAS and they're very very different. It would I'm telling you I think the policy committee meet would have to meet very very regularly like in order to do this so I think that Dr. spring is only proposing new right so the quarterly ones that they send she's not proposing that we go back and look at all our policies only the new ones they send to us well you would have to go back and revise that's part of the process only the ones that they're sending right but the committee obviously is going to go through you know the 6000s the

0687000s yes absolutely you're going to continue to to revise all those policies um do our policies match Bose's policies perfectly right now well because were part of their service, right? So, every time we go on a we look at a policy that's well they they sent to us that our board has reviewed and has made updates according to our needs. But I mean there's like so many state required policies, right? But those state required policies that NISPA has like have a set number like ours have a number and they do not match. The titles don't match. like they very different. So, it would take like not investigating, but like you'd have to then go back and review and it's almost like you'd have to start the process of almost switching everything over to the and

069they offer that service and and that's $10,000. So, they do offer that service. So, for that first year we could but the other option here's another option. The other option is I mean the you know the district's boards have put a lot of work into these policies. The other option is to have Ferrara do a review and then you also get the policy updates so you know legally what the updates are for policies in the state otherwise you won't know. But if so if they would work with us and I mean we can probably we can even spend more time on this offline maybe at the house committee meeting and bring it back. But if we could do the wholesale change for 10,000 the first year, that's still making a savings and work with Ferrara,

070then we would realize the larger savings going forward after that. Yeah, I don't know if you need to have Ferrara do a review and NISB. No, it would be one or the other. One or the other, right? And I would recommend I mean I would recommend using Ferrara because we work with them and you want to make sure that when our attorney tells us and advises us on a certain issue that it matches the policies that they've worked with. And I think what we would be looking at is if we went that direction. I agree completely that Ferrari should probably review and advise, but at the same time, if we're adopting a new system, we would need to go to adopting it wholesale, have the new numbers that correspond with the and go that direction.

071Yeah, I think I I'm just saying I think it's going to be I think you should go deep a heavy lift. So, but I I like the idea because I think we it sounds like it would put us in a better position once we are done. But so to undertake the change internally I think would be well I don't think it's so I can tell you West Merlin so West Merlin hired Ferrara. They used Ferrara and they um had an attorney review all of their policies and again eliminated a number that you know yeah were not required um and worked with them worked with the board. So So okay. So, or we can stay with an action item. Maybe you can begin those discussions with Ferrara to see how much it costs the cost of

072it and what what they what a realistic time frame is and all of that. It sends you new updates, right? So, but if we subscribe to them. Oh, no. You got would we get all of the New York State ones up front or only as a file? So, we would get all of the policies that they've updated. Okay. That they've sent and shared with school districts. Even if it was a few years ago, we would still have access to those. Okay. Okay. You said change the numbers. I said, are we talking about the category numbers that list like is it 1,00 2,000? So yeah, so there's the NISPA has like a set I'm just I'm just wondering why does why does the state both use two different system? Good question. I agree it is a

073little confusing. It should be the same policy have to pay to get updated guidelines from the state of New York. That's just ridiculous. Well, this is a private you have to figure out whether I mean We're in insurance. I don't pay to get updates on regulatory updates whenever there's no issue. They come to us. Well, I mean, they do come to us in documents from the state, but then it's updating our policies internally, right? So, I mean, you're still Well, no. I mean, they're putting out documents. They send them to the superintendent $900 like they're they're getting like even if it's a dear colleague letter, that's like few years that they're they're getting them. Um yeah. Yeah. So they're getting the information. It's just us adop like internally adopting it for our policies because we

074can make whatever policies we want. But I get what you're saying. It make it doesn't make sense. Okay. Just send out the policy instead of just telling you what the lies. So that number on the bottom of this just from those recommendations those three those are the recommendations right that that is um you know the efficiencies that we're recommending and so that totals $222,400. So what additional proposed reductions would be what that's what we're proposing. So everything we're proposing is not in the budget. Okay, those are additional. So now let's look at what's in the budget. How do we do you mean additional from that? Like that's adding up what you just said on those slides. So that was the policy the two positions. Y thank you. I thought you meant like in addition to

075it. So I mean if you want to see the total here we can just go here, right? This one. I know there's a lot here. I know. I don't know what you're looking for. You were looking at that bottom line. Which one did you just It was the one you were just on. Okay. Sorry. You just got to go to the bottom. Okay. So, so remember we've talked about the threepart budget. Okay, that's the administration administrative. So, that's all in purple. Uh we talked about um the yellow is the those are just subtotals. Okay. Subtotals category subtotals. So, the the purple ones are the three parts. So, you'll see administrative that's your one part, capitals, that's your second part, and programmatic is your third. Well, it's called program here. But where am I looking for

076that? So on the purple lines on the headers. So prior to like the the header for the category, you see program. So program is like your instructional, your special ed, um student transportation, pupil services, administration is um the superintendent's office, the business office. So I got some that stand out. So, how do you want to do it? I was going to go line by line, but if you want to just So, we could just start with the end in mind. Okay. So, let me just show you the end in mind. Okay. So, here we have a projected spending plan of 23,250 59 669. Okay. And then we have projected revenues. Okay. the projected revenues. Again, we're hoping this goes up. Okay. So, this is 2% tax increase. Yes, correct. Um, so this is our projected

077revenues are 22,3890. So, that is a budget shortfall. So, that is a deficit of $870,59. Just for reference, what does every one point of a tax increase give you for revenue? Um, so, so the levy is what's our levy like 150,000 right now. What are we getting? What are we getting for 2%? 150. Let me go. It was 120. So the difference right from last year to this year. All right. So then if you go here on your revenue, this will tell you what your property tax is at 2%. Um, so that's what we're collecting. 12. I was I was just going to do that for you. Yeah. So now this 870,000 um if we include those efficiencies that I brought to you this evening, then that number would go down. Oh, so efficiencies aren't

078in are not in there. No, that $870,000 doesn't include the summer. Correct. Either, right? Correct. Okay. Which is 25, right? So basically, if we if we eliminated Mandarin, that would cover the summer. Mhm. I was going to say when you're talking about servicing students versus hard to swallow. You can't forget about them. But so like maybe uh I got three questions about three pretty significant increases. Okay. So we're going to go now back up here. Uh okay. So can we just start at the top again? Would that be okay? Or do you want to specifically target where your questions are? So tell me what line and then I'll I'll have you talk about a 8. It's on page two. Oh, 1620 16201-00 electric high school electric goes up $74,000 predicted for next year. Like why

079would it how do we know it's going to go up by that much over like what's your provider? Our provider is NSAC and we buy it through the Mobosis cons uh cooperative for gas and diesel. It's a bad system but this is electric both gas and electric. Okay. Go through gas. It goes through a cooperative. Um and so that's what our bill has gone up this year. So it's it's how I Okay. So 25 16. So your your 24 to 25 budget of 146 you blew that to 20 to 274,000. Well, yes. Yes. Okay. Enough that. So what I project for next year, the increase for next year plus what we went up this year. So just you get what I'm saying? So it was it was a double increase because you're projecting you're projecting

080on what you're going to go up for next year based on what our consumption was this year and how much it went up with the price increase for this year. So it's like a threefold and the increase in maintaining both buildings with the extra snow and plowing and things too. Oh, we don't use electricity. What? We don't use electricity. No plow. But I don't know. There's other line. This is Did I say diesel? Oh, we buy our diesel. We buy our gas and we buy our electric through a cooperative. I'm sorry. That same line item. No. So, this is strictly nice eggs. If you think about where you want to over budget this year, did you figure out like how much was a price change versus just additional usage over time? So, we had got

081alert we we had um been alerted by the cooperative that our usage went up this year in the high school enormously. Remember I talked about it at the last meeting. You I don't think you were here wide open. Yeah. And so they're coming to find out why our bill has it doubled in December from what the usage was the prior year. We talked to Tom over a year ago regarding this geothermal and that it's not running appropriately and I remember um so you do have the the in the regular increases by electric and we've all you know in our homes seen our gas and electric both go up. So you have those, but we also were alerted by the cooperative that our usage went up. Is there a cheaper way if you left the cooperative?

082How do you know it's price competitive? They fit it out for all the schools in the I don't know. I would have to look into that for you, Pete. It could be a good question that maybe like look, we were in cooperative on insurance and we were taking it on the chin. We were spending way more than we needed to. We can look into it. We've been in the cooperative for many years. Sure. There's not strength in numbers. There's like someone's getting a deal and someone's getting and so this isn't a deal. Well, I don't know if it's a deal, right? We don't if you don't go out and see what else is out there on the market. Like I'm sure Nisa's like, "Yeah, cool. Like same meter stuff's going to come in. What are

083you gonna charge me per kilowatt?" and but who is who and when is coming in to evaluate nice. No, no, no, no. I'm saying this geothermal system make sure it's running efficient. That's I mean I'm sure we have it service what the biggest draw is in the building like if there's something that I can ask when they come in. No, there's no way to nice would never be able to do that because it all comes right back to it. We don't have we have meters on. So that would have they have a smart meter. They have they have a me they have meters here. I think now we have smart meters here. No, that's that. So the smart meter is your meter that is automatically read by Nice. But he's asking a specific draw from

084a specific like source. What is the draw coming from your geothermal system? I'll tell you right now that is the most cost. Okay, geothermal is very efficient. It takes a long time for it to pay back itself. Unfortunately, with the way that you know electrical is going on, will we ever recoup that in our lifetime and even say it in our kids lifetime? probably not because the 90,000 almost doubling I really want to see it next year you know is that's why I remember discussing you know electrical bills what a year ago at this time and when was the last time it was service we just assume so I wonder if it's sticker also because we've had such mild winters right definitely has a big difference like much so have we seen the geothermal work

085in a really cold year they can spend this year, you know. I don't know. I don't know how that What's the difference? This is what's the difference because geothermal is not at the MPS. This is districtwide. What's the difference from last year at the high or secondary school building? I guarantee we're talking apples to oranges. Yeah, this this building is almost twice the size. Okay. It is significantly, but what I'm saying is a percentage increase should be similar. 371 and that's the number I would like to see and I I can break it out for you. I can get the and snip around and say, "Okay, are we really in a deal and buy our electricity cooperative or um so the other one uh the other two are both uh pretty significant increases in those

086charges. Okay, tell me where sorry uh 1680." So what line? Uh A1684 services posting services under capital building capital building 2789 441 that's 168490 it's it's line number 62. Okay. So is that 62 processing? All right. Yeah services under capital building right ground. that central hawk. So central data processing 16 that's like a huge 63,000 looking at we know what that is. Yes, that is your software and your web hosting and your um it's most significant part part of that is your software for the school. So just think about so it's like is is this like the public relations stuff like the the website like this is software no this is software so it's um we purchase through the rick all the software that runs the entire district. So that's my software. It's my financial

087software. It's instructional software. They bundle it in one number. So they have a separate bill they give to us that outlines all of the software. But in so Boseies is not allowed to the Rick can't bill us directly. So they put it in our OM bill. So it's one line item in that OM bill that is actually this entire bill. So we explore that. I mean for software to go up that. Yes. So the Rick comes and they meet with Dr. Spring and I and Mike. We just had our meeting. They come once a year and they review all the software. So I'll tell you why it increased because we bought a lot of software outright through our COVID money that is curriculum and now we're bringing it on into general fund and having to

088pay for it. So there's there's your big increase. So for example, we um didn't have an ELA program. We used to use the modules put out by the state. So we now have CKLA amplify and so there's a huge software piece that we have to purchase preK6. The other one is Eureka math. So we transitioned to a new math um program last year. You may remember and then there's a huge software piece that goes along with it. Right. So it went from instructional soft instructional and also it's everything in the district it could so it's my financial district software it could be buildings and grounds some of it's building grounds it's like any software that's that's why why wouldn't that be under the instructional because everything and it's it's so like I explained this is

089the brick so the brick can't bill you separately so they give you a bill to show you itemized what you spend, but when you're build for it yearly, it's put in your OM bill as one line. So, and it went from 255,000 last year to 389,000 this year. So, to Kate's point, you have uh a category called program instructional. Okay. Wait, wait, wait. Now, get me a line. I don't know. I have a print. I don't have the Excel numbers. Oh. Oh, give you the account numbers. Yeah. The account number. Yep. Uh A2110. That's Yep. That's instruction. Yep. Teaching regular school. 490 services. So that is $216,000. Yes. So that is everything. So that is Chinese. It's your Zoom licensing connected community schools. It's Saba. It's sub call-in. It's telecommunications. Distance learning. Arts and performing

090arts. So behavior specialist. Yeah. So it's probably got 15 to 20 lines that fall within that one line. So what drives like those services we had the prior year? We have new services. We do. Yes. So we added a behavior specialist. Um, and so we have a full-time person who's at MPS. And this has been extremely valuable, uh, because she's been working with students who mostly are in kindergarten and first grade who lack executive function and she is working with them quite intensively and their behaviors are improving and we've been able to keep these students in district. So it's really a critical piece to um helping to provide that early intervention 242. No, we didn't. We had they started this year uh I want to say it's Kenna. We sent we she started what was

091it? November so and then there's another service that we um signed on to. And again I I know you're you're probably wondering well why another service? Well, so we have um half a day a week we have um a substance abuse counselor through CFLR who comes and especially works with students who are vaping. So so we don't suspend students out of school for vaping. The most important thing is that we are educating them on the dangers and we're trying to provide counseling and support for them. So this is another thing that we've recently signed up for. Um, and I think it's been very successful and and we're definitely getting kids the the system they need service. Oh, what I was actually thinking was there's a lot better way to break down the budget increase into

092tangible items like we just talked about, right, to help people understand what they're getting for their, right? So if you just look at a whole bunch of line item numbers, it just says sure services like what is it? How could it go up that much? Right? But what I just heard from you is, hey, we have better instructional software. No one's going to complain about that, right? We want to educate our kids, right? We have behavior specialists. Now there's a lot of problems. Substances, which a lot of problems of that's cool stuff, right? So when I think about like that end breakdown of like the 800,000 or 600,000 if we take it the 100 all of a sudden you start to realize more what you're getting for your money more meaning. So, should we put

093them in parentheses like on the side? Maybe. Let's look at some things. I get it. It's like, hey, instrument repair, it goes up like $95 like Okay, I get it. Right. I don't even have to question, right? Well, you get a whole bunch of $95 and they add up and y if you take the three or four largest increases and break them down as to what they are, what we're gaining, I think this amount. Do you know what your largest is? $400,000. It's your health insurance that went up. It's going to go up 400,000 if they get their 12% that they want us to to vote on next week. What do we vote on next week? No. So So we're part of Okay. So Cynthia and I have our health insurance consortium meeting. Okay. And

094it's Thursday. All right. So Thursday's next. So Thursday at noon. That's So we're go So don't call us because we're going to be in this meeting. And um on the phone. No, you won't get us anyway. So, so but the recommendation is that we increase the budget, right, by 12%. And that's not sustainable. So, we're looking at So, we're looking at options. We're looking and they went up 7 and a half% last year. Help me understand. So, they're approaching 20% in two years. Two years. Sign me up. It's awesome. Right. And they're going to make the cases that there were large losses this year. Sure. Um, you know, so this is for straight health insurance. Yes. Just for health insurance for all of our employees, right? So and retirees. Yeah. I guess they don't can't

095figure that. That's not in like a contract or anything like what you have to provide to the contract but there's no stated cost that you figure into. No. No. So it just parameters of what you have to provide. Yeah. Yes. And so each time you go into negotiations that's here. So when you go in that consortium like how many people are voting? Well, so it's all the component school districts in the consortium. Okay. So let's say there's I can't believe anybody's probably super excited about a 12 and a half% increase. Yeah. So there's like 20. Let's just say there's 20 school districts in there. So you got to represent like 10 from each. I think there's only like 10. I think there only 10, but others want to join now. Others want to join. Each

096district gets a vote. Yes. If it votes down, then what does this consortion do? Well, so that's the big question because the consortium come back say like, okay, uh prescriptions have to be xcopay, deductibles have to be they can't do that. So they don't do that. So what it is is your school chooses out of the consortium what they're going to offer their employees. So we have we have probably seven different tiers of of pro u yes that we offer to each different ones depending on what year they got into what contract. So your retirees have like four or five different ones and administration has three different ones and teachers have five or six different ones depending. So in that 800s 400 of it they're predicting even though they're both going to happen the 400's

097in there. Yes. Straight healthare. Yes. Because that's what they told us. That's what they're asking for. So that right. So if you have the 400, let's say you got, I don't know, 150 or so behavior specialist, substance abuse, you got software in there for like another 100 plus. Right. Right. All of a sudden, you start to see then you got all your like nits mats, right? Just you've built your 870. I think that's I think that's the best way to present these budgets. Like when you see huge standouts in here, that's where everyone's eyes going to go, right? Everyone understands like 1% increase on a small number. So is there a place here on the spreadsheet I'm just not seeing that breaks down the percentages of the three-part budget? I mean so that so we're

098going to present that the next meeting when we have our final um budget. Then we'll put it into the pie chart and we'll show you exactly what the breakdown is. I'll give it to you in the three components. So, if you're gonna do a math exercise, I didn't bring my calculator. I mean, I could sit here and figure it out. It's just going to take me a minute. You're going to do a math, right? You say like, okay, this year, uh, I'll just use numbers. We're going to go up 600,000 after the 2% tax levy. And that's using how much of the reserve? So right now 870. That's using 870. You're still gonna But we already and then remember we already committed 92,000 through our to to hold our tax cap at 2%. We committed

099on the capital includes our total reserve. So if you go to the reserve page, it's the bottom tab. If you have it I got you. So that's our reserve page. If you just scoot down a little bit, Dr. Spring. Thank you. So right now our reserves are 3,836,000 as of 63024. I would like to spend loan the capital fund $350,000 to utilize our smart bond monies because if we don't use them eventually we are going to lose that money. All right. That's not going mind's going is how many years can you exist on 870,000 funding you're using per year right right you still want to keep like an 8% in there which is uh over total budget which 2 million right now if you took 8.73 the 2 million which is what I think we'll

100have left at the end that would be 8.73 of next year's budget Basically, you're like the government running on deficit. So, our job is to figure out where else we could cut to bring it down. What's it mean down? And I'm not saying that you're going to do that, but you have to have those choices laid out and say like look because you got to go out to district like like okay one point you 60 grand, right? That's all right. Right. So, you're going to go out with a 12% tax increase. It's unheard of. You can't do it unless you live in Udica. You can't do it. Right. Right. So, you can't go out a 12% tax increase to save yourself. Right. Then you're going to go in Solomon, right? And your business closes. And

101forget about the kids that are worried about getting through Chinese because there's not going to be a school to go to Chinese, right? There's no school to come to. The lights don't go on. So, you got to really figure out like, hey, 800,000, your biggest expenses are probably in salaries and benefits, and you got to really figure out like what is how far could you potentially push and then someone's got to make a decision on, right? So, what we're thinking is that if um you know, with those efficiencies we talked about, it would bring um down the deficit to 650,000 more or less. Um, we're still hoping that we'll get a little bit more aid. Our excess cost usually comes in about 100,000 more than what they projected to to come in. That's the case

102under that 550, right? And we we do need to use some fund balance. We do. But I think continuing to look at what attrition numbers look like versus not program offerings, but how can we and we next year if we know, you know, maybe two more teachers are slated to retire. Because by the way, are we able to absorb that and still maintain course offerings and stay within contract parameters because yeah, I mean those you have to do more the largest part of the budget is instruction is is instructions. You have to do like war game planning. I mean we do it all the time in business. It doesn't mean the worst. You have to understand like what your options are because here's the other thing, right? We talked about this last meeting. Department of

103Education no longer funds special ed. What was our burden on that? Well, so so actually IDA which is going under the health and human services over to a different because they said what the title IDA is going to health and human services. Okay. Okay. So nothing is really technically going. They're just reallocating. Well certain services are so we don't know next year when you Right. But we know for next Well, we know for next year we can still count on this money. We're pretty No, I said in the future. We don't. So, I know next year, right? I think next year we will get them, but I don't I don't think in 2627 you're going to see your federal funding at the rate it's at right now. No, I agree with you, Pete. So, if

104you have a surprise, right, your slush fun getting small. So, you have to figure out local. Yes. I mean, it's a business. So like right now like last year like hey we felt good this year I don't feel that we're going to live even though we don't like the 12 and a half% increase we we don't really have a lot of control over that so corrupt the health insurance have tried to as bad as that's going to taste when Bush comes to shove we have to eat that figure out a way to take it right the only control we have is at the negotiating table and then we have to really try to um see if uh if we can ne negotiate the other plan that the the rest of us are on. A lot

105of other schools. Yeah, a lot of schools are adopting the plan the administration's on right now. Well, I guess that's that's my advice is like what's it look like? goes back to and I think we have a larger picture of that once we once we see what who signed up for what what that looks like otherwise you're going to pop and you'll be retired I won't be here and I don't want to right and that's why we're trying to you know do our due diligence here with these efficiencies no one wants to be like no one wants to shop so so let's just talk about so are we in agreement with the recommended efficiencies. I mean, we can give you more details next next board meeting, but next board meeting, we do have to vote

106and adopt we have to adopt our final budget. I'd like to have more conversation around the uh instructional staff. I understand that it it it might need to happen, but I before I am in agreeance with recommendations, I think I need to know what instructional staff and the data behind the reasoning for um the choices because I I don't right now the picture that's been presented to us as far as special education is that it's increased 20% in the district. And if we're discussing cutting special ed, even if it's a change in the model, I feel like I just need more information. Yeah. So, I recommend that we need to reduce two positions. That's what I'm recommending. So, maybe it's not those two, but it needs to be two positions. Well, the one that you're

107speaking of is physical, right? And if we are able to go from two instructors to one and still maintain everything that we need to do, that one seems pretty easy to me. As long as that one teacher stays within contract, right? And then it would also be a person from this building, both genders. It's not mandatory. So, so it would also be a person from this building um going helping. Yes. Yes. So, those are details. I'm still So, based on everybody who certified for those positions, we're able to spread. I I mean, our our buildings aren't that far, right? I'm still working on the details on that. Um, it it and I can But yeah, if that works out, then Right. I mean, that's And it's also when we have retirements, that's the time to

108really look at these But you're not Yeah. You're not coming. Exactly. You're not cutting a person. Exactly. But start to look at how your staff plays out. How many students are that's just responsing up against retirement age? Like there's a whole Yes. And we have that information and I do that. I keep that. I track that who's coming up for retirement when I definitely think like considerations for smaller class sizes like if there's three people in a program like I've had a class of three and a push before. Um I mean is that feasible? Um or non-mandated programs that are happening that we have chose to fund. I feel like those should be reconsidered at this point versus like a physician like elementary Spanish. I think it's great that we offer that. It's a special.

109It's a special. It's a special, but it's not mandated. No, it's not. It's a special though. Something has to be there, right? So, it's not going to be if we get rid of it, then you've got to replace it with something else. Remember, we did not So, we we switched we went from library to Spanish. It was budget neutral. We did not reduce a a position. Okay. But we changed it. So it's a special and they will always need a special. We don't have So it's not a it wouldn't be a reduction. We don't have librarian. Yes. No. Well, so this is how we handled the library. So we um have uh Liz Brennan is the K12 librarian. So before, remember, we had one person up here who didn't want to go to the elementary

110to service the elementary students. So Liz Brennan has three days of her schedule a week here and then two days she's at um MPS, but she's not a special. So what she does is she schedules her time with teachers and she pushes in and she team teaches. So it's actually I think a much more efficient model. What are the categories of specials? So, so you have PE, you have music, you have art, you have um Spanish. Um they also go they'll go to library with with when Liz is there or they'll take books out. Um we do have an aid in the library. Um so so those are the specials. How many specials do they need? So So they need that many and I'll tell you. So remember a special is when teachers have their

111preps. So So that's why the the schedule all works that way. So they don't need the like Spanish like they just need another special like a set amount of days that they rotate through. So it like it's not like they need to replace Spanish with another one. Yes, they do. So I'm confused how they made it work because it used to be library Spanish replaced library time. But didn't they used to have one more day of gym in the schedule? Five day cycle. So they used the reason of gym. So the reason why we moved from a six-day to a 5-day is because um we were servicing the Boseies classes with our teachers that had been going on for many years and we were never compensated for that. So I eliminated that. So in the

112meantime they went from a six to a fiveday schedule. So yes, they're all getting more time. So we can reduce all that. I mean, you know, but the thing I'm just point like have enough capacity between an art teacher, music teacher, vis teacher to say like, hey, if Spanish went out, uh, maybe one week do an extra art. I don't you guys know. So again, contractually, um, when we eliminate a position, you can't then go back and say, okay, now the existing teacher in that subject area is going to teach more. So well I guess my question is well I'm assuming the contractal says the teacher can teach up to x amount of classes. Yep. Five and six for PE. So is every single person max and then so uh so there's a little more

113to that that um that I will share at a later time. I just I I mean I think what I'm saying I'm not against Spanish. I don't want anybody think I am. I just I think like the data behind our offerings is what I'm looking at taking a look at. I just right now from what's been presented I just don't I just want to know more. Yeah. So the let me just also so the Spanish teacher is elementary certified. Okay. She's up for tenure. So if you eliminate Spanish then you will then have to eliminate because she'll go back and she has seniority. Then you will eliminate the last hired person. Well, we don't make those rules. Yeah. School unions do. Those are seniority laws, right? Yeah. I'm just telling you. No, I'm just telling

114you. Keeping a school open. I'm just telling you what what that that means. Profession that people chose. Those are the rules that come with that. And sometimes it's very advantageous and sometimes it doesn't work. Which is why when you have retirements, that's your ideal time to really do a That's what I'm talking about is as you're looking at attrition number 26 for 27 really drilling down and figuring out can we absorb that. Yes, that's our best option. But I agree with K2 looking at the class offerings and if there's very small numbers for it some of those might so so again you know AP calculus we have six students but we have to offer AP calculus. We do that's and we're looking to see how we can get more students in that pathway. You know,

115it could be maybe those students attend, you know, a virtual program, but then that's hard, too. So, so the question is there are some classes that are that do have low enrollment that we would love to increase that enrollment but by not offering those opportunities for kids we are doing a disservice to to you know certain segment. Yeah. I'm not saying just looking and saying oh free students they go right having the conversation. So that's why efficiencies right. Yes. Okay. Hold on. Let's see. Dan, does Dan have any questions? Dan. Dan. Dan. Good. Good evening. He didn't announce himself either either. Oh, sorry. Not I joined at 653. I'm sorry. I didn't want to disrupt the conversation. Live from Austin. Yes. Australia. Um I actually I did have a question. I was going to go

116back to um just regarding especially around the software costs. Um could we see with Boseies as far as what [Music] um basically utilization what the licenses are things like that because there may be areas um where we are maybe we have I don't know I'll just say like 25 licenses to use a certain certain piece of software um and we're only using like 10 you know c can we cut down on utilization things like that there may be some some wiggle room there um so that's one I'd like to look at. And then going back to the um the electric usage at the high schools. Um you know, we were we were notified um by Boseies that the usage went up. Is there a way to like do they notify us routinely or is it

117just if they see an anomaly or something? because it'd be nice too if if we could get earlier warnings to say, "Hey, you you know, usage went up more this month or, you know, whatever." And maybe if if it is an issue that we need to troubleshoot, we could get ahead of it instead of finding out at the end of the year like, "Oh, things went up because there's an issue with geothermal or something like that." Just it seems like we're kind of playing catch up with like, oh, this cost went up, you know, a lot and, you know, we're finding out about it down the road. I'd just like to know what could be put in place to get notified a little bit sooner with some of those increases. So, um I have to

118look at the bill, but um I will tell you that it's filled flat. So, each month is exactly the month before and that's why they alerted us. And I don't know that in my flat bill there's a usage. I'd have to look at that. But the amount of money Yeah, you're run on a budget program in place. Yes, it'll definitely show your usage, but basically in the summer months when no one's here, you still pay the same flat rate, but that turns into a credit over over a period of time. You know, right now we're actually working in a deficit, per se. Um but in your summer summer months when kids aren't here and we're not running the um AC up here um or the electric wide um that's where it balances out but there

119is definitely you're definitely going to see the kilowatt hour in the gas. Honestly, your gas usage is is not the area of concern. Your kilowatt usage and your kilowatt, but it's the transporting the electrical uh your electricity to and from uh point A to point B is what is where your monies are. So, in a way, um yes, you will be able to see it on your bill. So are there any other questions? So we'll go back and we'll you know work on this continue to work on this and we'll be in communication with you um so that we will be in a position where we can present final and I wanted to address the software. So when we we did we're working on analyzing every software that's in the building. So Mike's been doing

120analysis. Um we talked it over with Matt and looked at what um the Rick the analysis of how much the programs jumped up the software programs. So we we are like looking at to see where else we can cut maybe or cut back and make the software we use more efficient. Exactly. We are looking into that. Good word. I think you guys I think we're just pushing for the future. Absolutely. But it's what happens when that get we'll get there for this year, but we need to continue, right? Which is why I want to make sure that we're on that path. So board petitions are available beginning tomorrow from 9 to 3 from our district clerk, Jen Nichols. We have two open seats. Um, those who are picking up a petition must get 25 signatures

121from district residents and they must be returned by April 21st by 5:00 p.m. Oh, and I also wanted to uh just alert you on our grants. So just a little disappointed that the district had applied for a USDA farm-toschool implementation grant for remember 127,000 to expand our agriculture program especially um just really strengthen the food science the the plant science program. So we're really disappointed. Um it was cancelled. So the US government is cancelling all of those opportunities. Um, so it's it's a disservice to children who would really benefit long term in their lives from having that experience. So, we're disappointed, but you know, um, we're going to see if we can resubmit elements of this proposal to other foundations or other areas, other grant opportunities. Thank you. So, we did apply to the Dwey

122Foundation. So, I think Kate's going to like this one. So, we wanted to do something for the three-year-olds in the Waterville community. So, we've applied to two different foundations for a three-year-old program. So, it would be once a month. And so, Madison actually has a three andme program. So, it's it's a little similar. So, so the um it would be for up to 36 students. Our prek teachers would do a story hour, some activities. Um it would be I think 75 minutes long. The parents would then go to an education um taught by you know maybe Katie um or or the social worker or the principal something about you know teaching our parents how to be your child's first teacher and how to have a a literacyrich environment in your home. Um and then we

123also applied to the believe in reading foundation to purchase books. So each child who attends would get to take home a paperback book that the of the story they read that night. And um there would also be some refreshments and other supplies. So So we're hoping that that works out. And um so Katie would actually be the coordinator. She's she um so she's our our prek person. She would also run that for us as well. So So hopefully we'll have good news on that. Is there like a timeline of finding out? Yeah. So we'll find out from the Dewey Foundation in May. The Believe in Reading Foundation I believe will be over the summer. So this Thursday from 5:15 to 7, Boseies is having an educational showcase. So we are showcasing our preK program. So

124I did want you to see our updated brochure here. We'll be passing these out. So Katie and Missy and and Jamie and I will be there and we'll be, you know, at a table. They made a wonderful trifold really promoting our program. So um if anyone is in the area Thursday, please board members are are definitely encouraged to attend so you can see what other programs are in, you know, existence at other school districts locally. Okay. And I know Kurt's excited to give an update on March Madness. Yeah, I know March Madness uh going really well. We got our last week. Um kids are still, you know, excited. I think the awareness is like really help with the attendance and look really good. Um Mr. Perry and I go every morning and we kind of

125just give recognition to the top 10 classes. Um those have fluctuated, you know, depending on week to week. I think we had a couple couple grades that took a little dip, but nothing major. Um, I know they're doing a threeon-ree basketball tournament at lunch. Uh, students that participate have to have a perfect attendance uh in order to participate in that. So, that's going on throughout the week and then they'll do the championship game on Monday to finish out the month. Um, talk with Patty Lee. She came around and did the door judging competition. Thank you very much. A lot of doors. Uh, we we still have to follow up and talk prizes and everything. I know we um we talked a little bit about that, but I said Andre Mundor winners. Oh, he did. Okay.

126So, he has them. All right. Very secret. Secret. No. No. This is not for me to dulge. But there were a lot of good ones. So, it was a hard choice, right? one by some interesting I got the run down on a few of the milk. So you would have to chat with them. No, I think it's uh overall it's been really good. I think bringing a witness today has been really successful. So yeah, good stuff. Great. So just one other question. How are some of our other neighboring district to deal with some of the increases that we thought? Um well nobody's going out at the area. They are all looking at efficiencies. Um so it's the same everywhere. Not filling retirements very common a lot of policies and we're very very busy. So, if

127you have any questions, there were um some updated regulations. So, as you know, uh regulations are really approved by the superintendent, but I'd like to bring them to the board so that you're aware of them. So, they are there. Um and then a number of policies that updated one I also sent to our attorney on procurement. I just had some updated language on RFP. So, we included that That is a policy that so that is and we do have to have that few minutes Jen that we have updated and reviewed our procurement policy. questions. If not, it's going to be on rereading. So, you can definitely take a look at it or discussion. Anybody have anything or have we discussed exhausted that already? Okay. And the next one is public on agenda items, you know,

128Noah. Yeah. So, they can hear you at home as well. Is that online? I think so. But it's been Yeah. So, I don't know if this was discussed beforehand, but it has come to my awareness that offers have been made out to nurses. And I'd like to just in case all of you are not aware of this, New York State 2004 and they update these. So this is the most current states LPNs cannot work independently in a health office. What does that mean? That means yes, an RN can oversee them. However, working independently in a health office, school health office, always includes triage. It includes assessment. You have children who get injured, children who are very ill and an LPN, sorry. Um, as I look really quick, they can give out due orders. They can

129give a medication because the order is there. The RN has looked at it, put it in the computer. An RN has to assess every child who comes in. That is not happening. And I know of some of this stuff. I have worked here. Documentation that's going in the lovely person. Please don't get me wrong. I am here for the RN. I'm here for what's legal. So, I understand there's a vote tonight. An RN cannot assess I mean LPN cannot assess a student. It's legal. That's legal. Once they do and now document they have stepped outside the legal scope of their practice which puts them liable to be lose their license and if I'm here I'm here to maybe save somebody from that happening I think of what you talked about standards keeping advanced math calculus

130and why is that because you put your standards high for your students. Why are you not putting the standard for the RN? I I understand in I always get like this. Sorry. I understand. In the current contract, which has been for years, I was here for 20 years. It's a nurse. But what was the standard? It was an RN. I have my four-year degree. What did I learn in my last two years? my community health, my leadership, my research, more clinical skills, and LPN takes an year-long program. So, I just put it to you. Whatever you choose, you choose. But remember, there could be a lawsuit down the road. Not for me. I'm saying if something happens because if you go into a court and there's a set standard and that standard wasn't followed where

131is that going to leave the school and I also unfortunately know that an RN who worked with me in November and December who's more than qualified to be here with PALS ALS and I watched her because I had to come up here two days to finish the immunization um survey and I watched her in action of which I did report that that she would be excellent here went to this school was somewhere around in your wife's class maybe my son's in hers um would have been excellent so I'm just putting it out there. It's whatever you decide is your decision. But I think that when you look at it legally and the RN, by the way, will have to do every care plan. I know how many seizure activ seizure medications are here. I know

132how other meds. I know how many epipens are here because I worked here. So I know what it was 20 years in in elementary. People thought it was easy. I had a student from Wateroo came to finish her bachelor's degree preceptorship with me. I asked her, "Would you like to do this?" She said, "No way. I don't know enough. I thought you only saw students." after I went through every season that I prepared for the next season and everything I had to do and it was a lot more than everybody here might think. And I'd also like to offer that I had two cardiac events during my 20 years. One of them being a staff member who came in with a story from the day before with pain in the arm, female, and she said,

133"Oh, but it's my pinched nerve." And I said, "Let's go in here." Blood pressure was elevated, heart rate was a little off. And I said, "You need an ambulance." She said, "No, I'll just call my husband." And when they're not unconscious, you can't make them get in an ambulance, right? However, having worked 20 years previously in maternity, pedes, niku, and family practice for a long time, I looked at her and I said, "You can go in your car with your husband. What if you code in your car? What's your husband going to do?" Said, "I'll take an ambulance." She had stances that afternoon. The other one was a bus driver from all the district. Walked in during breakfast of all time. said, "I'm short of breath. I have chest pain. I need an ambulance." I

134thought, "I bet you do." Called an ambulance. Got the AD over with her, took her vital signs, and when they walked in, her heart rate was 45 and said, "I don't feel good." So, there's more that happens than people think. And then I had an 8-year-old walk in during stomach flu season, looked kind of ashen. His only child going to come that came in was in the room. I always watch the kids as I walked in. You know why they the way they look, how they're acting, something's up. And he walked over said, "I don't feel good. I have something." I said, "Okay." I thought something's wrong between my desk and probably to where you are. He had wet his pants, laid on the couch, couldn't tell me what happened, just trying to come up

135with stories. And I thought, "This kid is sick." So I took a blood pressure. Again, you know, you don't have to go very high for pediatric patients. Couldn't get a blood pressure in both either arm. And this is why you need experience, too. And Pete's background. I put a I went up higher. That child had a blood pressure 210 over 180. Were you in on that one? I was. And nobody believed me. The mother was medical. Did not believe me. Did not want me to call an ambulance. thought there's no way she's she did this right and so ambulance came went to a hospital got transferred to Kalisano for five days undiagnosed kidney disease I got a lovely lovely card from the pediatrician that said we've been treating that child for headache because when he

136did say I have a massive headache and I thought I bet you do and uh just get him out of here but there's a lot more that happened in the 20 years that I can't and go over. I mean, it's not that easy of a job. And you have to be organized. You have to be an manager. If you're not organized, you're going to sink. As I think we all know that can happen. So, that's all I'm here to offer. Um, think about it and whatever you choose is what you choose. So, thank you for listening. Hey, good night everybody. Oh, by the way, I'm pink. Sorry, you're the only one I don't know. Sorry. No, it's okay. Have a good night everybody. I have been listening for two hours, but could you just clarify

137for me please so I get it right where the summer program at MPS falls right now? Is it a recommendation that So I think we said we're going to put it on hold and offer a modified maybe a little bit scale down um program um and we're hoping that when the budget is or approved by the legislature that we have a better idea of what those are and Last year, did you do a program up here for junior high? We did. So that one's definitely not. So what are so we're done with public Second reason. Yes. We're getting we're going for employment there's there's like eight things on that one. Yeah. I really don't want to call him on you. All right. I mean that's fact.