Cold Spring Harbor BOE 4 /21/26

001Good evening. Um, I'd like to open our work session today. May I have a first? Lisa, a second, Bill. All in favor? Take a motion to enter executive session for purposes of legal and personnel. May I have a first? Alex, a second. Okay. All in favor? >> Okay. >> The board has returned from executive session and there were no actions taken. Can I have a motion return from exact session and open the meeting? A first. Lisa, a second. Bill. All in favor. Let us all rise for the pledge of allegiance. >> I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. This is the first discussion section of our agenda. I open the floor

002to any other discussion items from members of the board of education. >> Anyone? Well, can I? >> Sure. I don't think I really got to say how wonderful the college fair was. Um, it was really great. There were lots of, you know, there were lots of schools there. I'm really looking forward to seeing how this um grows. >> Thank you. >> Yeah, it was really great. >> Very excited. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Sure. Thank you, Lisa. >> Sure. >> Anyone else? >> Okay. We now continue with our first audience to visitors. The Cole Spring Harbor Board of Education Administration welcome your attendance at board of education meetings. Audience, the public affords residents an opportunity to address the board of education on both agenda and non-aggenda items. Each resident is allowed to speak for

003three minutes. This is not the form to discuss student or staff specific issues. Please contact the district separately on these matters. One, we now move to the approval of the minutes on page one, the April 14, 2026 minutes. I think everyone was here. Um, yes. Can I have a first, Lisa? A second bill. Any questions? All in favor? We move to Western Suffach Bosey's candidate vote on page one. We will take the Bosey's budget vote. May I have a first, Lisa? A second. So if you if you so in in the um we shared at home in the in the packet we only vote on the admin administrative component of the Bosey's budget and if you look on >> take a look is the first one. >> Are we doing the candidates first? >> We're

004doing the budget vote first. >> So, it's broken down the component for uh the 19 component districts by the three year running average population of our students. So, for Cold Spring Harbor, other than Babylon, we're the next smallest. Uh for us it's going about $8,500 for the administrative costs. And if you look in here, it lays out what those costs are specifically. >> The budget go first. >> So that includes things like the executive officer, the clerical, the personnel, rental equipment, membership, treasury. It's it's listed here. I can give you This is part of it. Here's more laying out of the exact costs. So, we only by law vote on in the administrative component. We don't on the capital or the program budget. The program is an estimate in the sense that the cost goes

005up or down by how many students really attend. And at this point, they don't necessarily know how many students are going from each district. They're estimating. And uh so we have this year, correct me and I apologize if I'm putting you on the spot right now, Janette, is it eight students this year go to Boseis? >> Um currently we have about >> it's seven or eight. >> Six or seven. We're we're right there. And that could fluctuate up and down from year >> to year. >> So for next year, we expect um new new students starting their first year of the program. Um I would say six additional students. >> Yeah, we have quite a few in the aviation program. For us, aviation is a big uh component for us kids doing that. And it's

006something also I spoke to um the people there. They're actually looking to lease an additional building at the airport in Farmingdale because it's so big to continue having more kids go there for the aviation program to expand what they have. >> We're projected at 12 students, >> 12 for next year to go up. um returning students as well as new. >> Six new, six return. Gotcha. >> At this point, >> and that could go up, that could go down. So, we only vote on the administrative, which you have the bulk of it right there. >> So, first I have to get a motion. So, I need I had a first. I don't remember who it was. It was me. It was Lisa. So, I need a second to even get the motion out there to

007even discuss it. So >> Mark, okay. So now I'll ask any questions on this and we're talking about this is the Bosey's budget vote. That's the first part. >> So we're just voting on this administrative correct. >> Um >> no, >> well this is a more detailed of everything, right? >> Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I can see this. Okay. I can see this. >> The the candidates are running uncontested. >> Uncontested. This is the two. Yeah, they're they're in. And for what's posted on the agenda, this isn't posted on the agenda, the numbers. It's just the information about the candidates. Right. >> Right. We had sent it home in Friday notes and we had we had a pamphlet two or three weeks ago. >> Okay. Right. Do we have any other questions on this part? >>

008So, what's >> this is up? Is the Boseies budget vote? >> What's the increase year over year? The increase is 8,5636% >> overall. >> We did. >> It might be on the page. >> And last year we didn't approve that >> two years ago. We just >> I believe it was in the narrative. >> It's in the narrative. It's in the narrative where they talk about the >> still. It's more of a symbolic vote than anything. It's right. It's going to pass. So, >> oh, I have it. >> You have it there. I apologize. Um, Bill, the administrative uh charges went up 2.2%. From 2526 and then we are uh responsible also for the capital charge. We don't get to vote on that. Um, but that went up 11.2%. >> Primarily due to the need,

009but again, I'm just reading right from the primarily due to the need for Western Suffices to rent additional classroom space to accommodate enrollment. >> And that is the aviation program from what I hear. >> Okay. And for us that that percent if you look at the Boseis charge it's about $800 is the administrative our part and the remainder of the 800 8,500 roughly 70,600 is the part. >> Does anyone else have any questions on it? >> All in favor? Okay. Now we're going to take the Boseies candidate vote. May I have a first bill? A second. Lisa, any questions? >> All right. >> Now, I guess my question would be, are these two vote for two? And there it looks like they're running uncontested. Is that correct? >> That is correct. >> All right. Every

010single night you every single night I'll have a meeting. >> We'll never see you again. >> Any other questions on this? All right. All in favor? Okay. We now move to business recommendations donations. We will take the acceptance of the donation and corresponding budget adjustment on page two as a slate. May I have a first bill? A second. Lisa, any questions? >> This is on page two. >> Could you tell us, Joe, about the donation? >> So, this is a a family who wants to remain anonymous. Uh, a donation to help Westside Rebuild. So, it's money to go to the Westside Rebuild. >> Yeah. So, they do not want any >> All right, sounds good. Could I have Thank you to whoever you are. We appreciate that. >> I thank them. I know who and

011I will call them tomorrow. >> Great. All right. Um, did I take a person? Yes, I did. All in favor? >> Okay. We now move to additional business matters. We'll take both items on pages two and three as a slate. May I have a first? Phil a second. Lisa, I'll give you a second to look it over for your questions if you have any. >> Could you tell us a little bit about this one? >> Absolutely. The Ed Law 2D is New York State regulations on cyber security that companies must follow. So if something is breached or the security they have to have, this is it. So these are we're looking for services particularly the Desmos program which is used for the regent exam as the calculator. It could be used instead of the the

012the TI 8486 what we're up to now graphing calculator used on a computer. It's the free version allowing us to now properly use that software. >> It's also for the statistics >> and right. So that's the training that we've been doing. It's going to be very useful. We completed the New York State application for the use of that for upcoming students in the 26 27th grade and not this. >> We also use Desmos on the PSAT and the essay. Correct. So it's good to know how to use that because it makes it so much easier. Okay. So this is allowing us to do all the proper security behind there. The second is >> so we are going to so it will be part of the thing for those two classes to teach Desmos. Well it

013will be so so right now in this curricular year we've already started training all the teachers on the use of Desmos. They had some familiarity but it ranged. Um and so we started to try and just make sure everybody was on the same page. We then uh worked with Rihanna and her team to make sure that uh we could follow the New York State guidelines and compliance review for use of it um on their Chromebooks when we're administering administering tests so that we can then onboard the students throughout the curricular year to use of the the Desmos calculator when they're doing uh internal assessments throughout the year and then that would prepare them for the upcoming regions exam. >> And and I just what what two classes? So we we applied for algebra 1, algebra

0142, and geometry use of decimals as well as for the AP like so New York State doesn't require us to apply for the AP, but we're we'll be using it because the AP board, the college board has switched over to Desmos in AP stats. >> Okay. But the algebra, geometry, those will get the kids before the SAT, before the PSA, >> they're becoming familiar using it. >> Okay. And the second is we're happy to say that our multi-year contract for the uh services through Boseies is lower. We approved that at the last board meeting. It came in roughly $18,000 less. Uh again, that's part of the estimation to buy different pieces of technology for meeting boards or cyber security and the like. So this is just a revised uh that we got in today, I

015believe, from Boseies that it came in lower. So it's a good thing we're going to see $18,000 lower in a couple minutes. Any other questions? All in favor? >> Okay, we will move to other matters. We will take a field denial on page three. May I have a first? Lisa, second. Kate, any questions? All in favor? Now I would like to introduce Dr. Allison Offerman Selantano for the budget adoption presentation. >> Thank you so much. Um, we're going to be projecting on these two screens. So, I don't know if you feel more comfortable. Okay. So, um as uh uh Joe mentioned, we're going to be um jumping right into our real-time budget worksheet. And uh we did um so what I did is I uh I locked all the cells on the top so the

016rows on the top so they're not going to move as we do our work. Um just to remind you that all of the cells that are highlighted in yellow will change as we remove or add items to the budget. So those will all compute um in the background. And the one on the lower right is the tax levy percentage and above that is the dollar amount. Um and it's compared to the and then on the left we have the 2526 budget. What the current 2627 budget is in our financial software. And that number is repeated just below the $84 million number because again that will change as we add or remove items from the budget. And then it will also compute our budget-to-budget increase, which is comparing this year's budget to our projected next year's

017budget. It's not the levy. It's a percentage that says, okay, we went from $81,976,259 this year to X amount next year. And that's the percentage increase. And again, as we take items out of the budget, the total reduction will go up, the levy will go down. Um, as will the total dollar uh total levy amount as well. So, you'll see those other lines going down. Lisa, >> so is this 3.44% is that based upon the work we already started doing last time? >> Correct. That's where we are right now at this moment. The only addition that we did, as uh Joe mentioned, is Oh, it's not there. Okay. I don't know why we did take it off. Um but this should This We did take off $18,000. I'm sorry. >> You might have to refresh

018it. >> Do I have to refresh the >> budget worksheet page? Okay. frozen. There it is. There it is. See? No. Okay. Uh, let me I'll change that. >> It's still spinning. >> Oh, it's still spinning because it's it's showing on mine. Oh, you know why this is not I know why. >> Um, we should be in the Google sheet. That's why. Um, was that the link from the presentation? >> Mhm. >> Oh, okay. All right. >> Um, maybe. Does Rihanna not have rights to it? >> Um, >> like it's it's under her, right? That's her iPhone. >> Yeah, this is what we use last year and it's locked against her. That's probably why it's frozen. >> Okay. Uh, so I think I have to sign in somehow here. >> Or if you could just

019share it with her from your >> I'll share it here. You know what I mean? And then she'll have it. Yep. Okay, so access was updated. So I should be able to refresh this now, I guess. And that should come up hopefully. Sorry for the technology through here. What are you >> if you want to go to the I'm in it now. I just appreciate it. You're on the big board. So, do you want to move that over here? So, what do I have to do? >> Uh, to Rihanna's Google. >> Yeah. Okay. I just reshot my boards. the revenue that we get from like state aid and all that that doesn't change depending on does that change depending on our t like what our percentages that we raise our tax levy or no >>

020no I that's that's uh largely independent I mean it really depends on what the governor decides and the legislators decides we're in we're in hold harmless so we're at 1% um so unless they change the way that they are computing financial aid and how they're determining who's holdless and who is getting um a larger increase in f foundation aid. So in that way it can change but it's it's really based on what the >> do we leave money on the table by not going to the tax cap? >> Yes. >> How much are we leaving on the table? Do you know? Uh well it really depends on where the tax cap is you know so that's controlled by different factors um that we uh largely are are not in our control except for if we

021decide to invest in capital improvements through the tax levy which is what we call transfer to capital when that number changes our maximum allowable tax levy changes um and also the amount of debt that we carry. So because we have debt from the 2019 bond that helps to raise the maximum allowable tax levy. So meaning the ceiling that we can go to, we don't have to go there, but that does affect the ceiling of the levy. >> When Kate, when you said leave money on the table, you mean tax revenue or state aid? >> Uh we don't leave not state aid state. >> Thanks for the clarification. It's it's tax money. >> I think I that was what I really was asking. Go ahead. >> When I asked about the revenue from state aid and

022you answered that, but then also like you the tax dollars too. >> Yeah. We're we're we're leaving potential revenue we could take from your neighbors and yourself and and me. Yeah. That's what we're leaving on the table by not going to the max. But >> yeah, >> it's tax revenue. But >> well, obviously I understand that. But what I'm saying is like are is there money Maybe I'm not explaining this right. Is there is like what is Okay, so how how about this what is the I know the for me like I'm for keeping it down like I don't want to pierce the tax cap. I don't want to go to the tax cap. But then the other side of the story is people say why wouldn't you want to go to the tax cap?

023I understand we get all our wish list items. Not that's not what I'm talking about. Like in that's why I was asking about the revenue other than this than our tax dollars the aid. Does that do we leave any money on the table there? She says no. >> No. >> Yeah. the the the people that elect us are looking us to be good financial stewards and a wish list is to be reviewed and by us and and you know items to be deleted where we deem but the question I want to put to the board is um do we want to work backwards in the sense that do we want to say to your point we're not going higher than say 2.75 2.8 8 2.55 and based on that then we have to work we

024have to back into that number. The implication is we have a couple things going on. We have the the big looming bill for you know the capital improvements which has to be either addressed through um through the taxpayer or through a bond or a combination. If we go, you know, with a 250 raise, we're definitely gonna have to do a bond down the road. We have to We may have to do a bond anyway. We might even if we go to the tax cap every year the next several years, that might not be enough money to fund even in a rosy scenario. So I think we have to I mean I think it might be a good exercise to agree as a group we don't want to raise school taxes more than x% once we

025have that number then we have to get to it by managing um that wish list so to speak or see where if there's um room in the discretionary numbers is >> I just have a question um or maybe an opinion, but I'd like your input on it because I don't see that 2.5 or 2.75 is the difference between issuing a bond or not, >> right? >> Because that's only about a 175,000 of >> correct >> tax revenue. But I do agree. Uh I don't like the bond idea, but I think um one of the things I wanted to suggest is as part of the capital improvements committee, and if I got that wrong, um I apologize, but you know, I think we need to have a discipline in addition to talking about what has to

026get done, deciding what gets paid for and how. Because if you're going to pay for a roof that only lasts 15 years with a 20-year bond, that's a very bad you you know that. I mean, that that's a bad move. So, I think we should be trying to figure out, okay, if this if we're buying a 40-year lifespan roof, maybe it's not horrible to use a portion of that bond money if we go that route for that. And then my second thing is I do agree with you coming up with sort of a a theoretical level of rate for this year because but I also think it's not just those items on the list. I think if we can save things because we we were looking through I last time we were talking about the

0278020 the 80% that's contractual. If there's anything in the 20 or if there's anything on the wish list that we don't want to do I think you can add that potentially to the capital improvements budget item for this coming year unless we're too high. >> So, am I hearing you say that if we if we get to the like if we choose if the board of education chooses a levy and then we get below there, you are suggesting to add more funds to transfer transfer to capital to chip away at the five-year capital improvement plan. In other words, if we got if we could miraculously get to 2%, >> but we're not really shoring up the capital spend for next year, >> I would use the I would suggest we talk about using a little

028extra money in tax raise to build the capital improvements for next year >> rather than take out bonds. >> Yeah. That would offset you or be a much smaller one. And you're right, we have a big lift ahead of >> us. when we finalize that fiveyear plan for Michael Mark um we a lot of work there and and kind of really put in the order of what is an emergency need to know needs now what can be done in a couple years what is something yes we see it on books but it may be a 10 year away from expense and maybe we build up money into a fund to pay for that right we know roof X is we got 15 years in it so we can start getting the money ready so when

02915 years comes we're ready to go You're right. >> And Michael Michael is, you know, going to get back on now that the, you know, obviously he's still working on, you know, plans for for rebuilding Westside, but >> he's going to get back up on the roofs, give us a better pricing for that, you know, a more accurate assessment of where we are. Um, and also because I was reviewing the five-year capital plan today, and he has two different cooling projects in there. So, you know, if we decide and and the HVAC is a fairly large uh amount of money. So, you know, there are some projects in there that are not have to um and that's something that the capital and facilities committee can, you know, take a deeper look at with our architectural

030firm. you know what is in there that is in there because we've talked about it and we think it's important but we are putting in window AC units again through existing H fund money that's already been voter approved so we're not that's that's a zero levy amount for the current board and the current community um you know so do we want an HVAC project down the road or is that something that can come off the plan and potentially lower the overall amount in that plan? >> Yes. So the amount was around what $58 million. Um >> so I had him send it back to me because I I I agree with you. There were a couple of different iterations of it and so I did ask him for clarification and the current total is 48.

031I'm you know again it's still very large. >> That was pre though. Um I thought that was pre his that was his >> Yes. That doesn't include the escalated. >> Yeah. was the current day number which he anticipated to be you know over the life 53 to possibly as high as 58. Now there were things in there that maybe we don't need and then there was a cafeteria um at the high school re you know >> and that cafeteria is going to be x or x >> let's let's say a rosy picture is 40 million and that includes apprec uh inflation over the next five years. If we look at if we release all our reserves plus the existing bond money we have and and anything else we can go to get repurposed. Um how

032far away are we from $40 million? >> That's a good question. We have um we have a about 11 million in the capital reserve right now. Um and we have 7 million left in the bond. So that brings us up to $18 million. Um, and in the H fund, I This is where I'd have to look. I could get it for us. I think it's about 14 million, but I can actually look it up right now. Um, you just give me a moment >> plus. >> So, in the age fund currently there's 11.6. So, I was a little little over there. >> So, that's 43 million. No, that's >> 32. I thought we were at plus 11. No. >> Uh, well, >> I thought it was 18 14 plus was that 29 29ish. >> So,

033it's 18 + 11. >> So, about 29. >> So, 29 and that's releasing everything. And um and cons I I probably can get to 40. There could be other. So, let me see. So, 11 million off. If we go I'm not saying we're going to. If we went up to the tax cap permissible this year, how much would that raise? >> Well, I think we have to be careful when we say tax cap because what we put in transfer to capital will adjust that. In theory, we could have a 40% tax cap if we put, you know, 20 million in transfer to capital. I'm just using the >> I thought if you go above the tax cap though there's implications of that. >> The tax cap is adjusted by how much we put into the

034transfer to capital. >> Oh, so you can >> we we could really have a 40% tax cap. I mean that's crazy. But >> you think that would pass? >> I don't think so. I don't think but I'm saying that's that's what I'm saying. You could do something like that. >> Like we could cut a whole bunch of stuff and have a 2% tax levy and then decide to add a whole bunch of money in transfer capital to bring the tax levy up. Correct. whatever we want. Interesting. Okay. >> Right. I think that's what I was trying to ask before. So, totally get it. >> I purposely use a crazy number. Okay. >> So, Bill, you're saying that you want to what like 2% or whatever to take that money then to tell tell them what

035you said. >> So, so I was I don't think we're going to get there, but we're at 3% right now, right? With the stuff we eliminated. Let's say we take some more out and you get to two. >> Okay. >> Right. At 2% assuming we got there, we already have a million3 in the budget for next year for capital improvements. >> Goodness. Okay. >> You could in theory add back to the two and go to two and a quarter or two and a half with that increased tax revenue adding to the 1.3 million of capital improvements for next year. >> Right. And I can calculate based on what the board of education decides to put into transfer to capital. I can calculate the maximum allowable levy in real time. I can do it right here.

036I have the worksheet open. So >> I think that's safe. We're not getting near that. >> No, no, I just mean, you know, so you would know. I mean, right, the maximum allowable levy. We're not obligated, but at least then you'll know what what it what the ceiling is. >> So So moving forward, should we start going through stuff that we want to remove and see what number it gets us to, >> right? >> And then if we're okay with that number or we think it could be a little higher or lower, >> um, >> yes, >> we can start by removing stuff. And then Bill is saying, which I think is a good idea when we get to a point like say we get to like he said, we can then increase our transfer

037to capital and then bring bring it up again. Bring >> that's we may get to 27 and say that's But just so you know what I some some thing that might be helpful is that based upon the information that Allison gave us that every 0.1 increase in the 0.01 increase in the tax levy represents an increase of about $7,000. >> The difference per household from a 1.58 tax levy to a 2.5 tax levy is an increase is an additional $330. Right? That's based upon 2,000 homes. >> That we estimated. >> That's the number we estimated, right? That sounds about right. >> Okay. >> Tough tough to say because it's it it depends on what your how much your home is worth. So in Cold Spring Harbor, it's not because Spring Harbor has has such different

038>> I thought I was I thought I was so good. >> No, no. I mean you are you are so average >> but a but an average would not be the median. >> So an average would not be a a good representation in this community of the middle number. Right? If you have 200 households, what would household number 100 be would probably be um higher than the average because of the there there are very variable home prices here in >> I was just trying to make it you know put it in terms like per person like how is this going to affect each person >> if we you know increase or lower the tax course >> but I guess not. >> Do you guys want to get started on this? chicken and white. >> Okay.

039>> Can we add in $70,000 that we are going to save next year due to her retirement? >> I already did that. >> That's in that list. >> So, that was done pre list. Um, so I already took all of the retirees. I reduced their salary to what we estimate would be the would be the start. Yes, I did the most recent person. Yeah, I know. Sorry. >> All right. So, we have the >> And what did we say about the maintenance vehicle? I'm so sorry. Are we still able to get that from a different budget or are we taking that out? >> So, the maintenance vehicle uh can be purchased this year, but that depends on if the board of education decides to do so. Um because, you know, buying the maintenance vehicle this

040year would lower the amount of fund balance that we have left at the end of the year. So, it's, you know, it's it's >> he's not um but he did he did say that, you know, he could it's it's really it's something that would improve the facilities department. >> However, if he did say that if the board of education decided to push it off to the 2728 school year, he could he could manage with what he has. >> And this is the maintenance vehicle with the interchangeable parts. >> Correct. >> Yeah. So, the question is we buy it next year. He he was um looking to acquire that because then he could do things in house. So >> it would be easy to do things in house. >> Well, easier versus outsourcing are two different

041things. So if if he cuz things are so expensive to get done outside, we might end up saving money by bringing that vehicle with with the different um capabilities. So if we're going to spend like with Lantech or whatever 100 grand and the vehicle's 87 and then we own it and advertise it. I mean so we we would need to know that. >> So it's currently out of the budget. So if Joe if you scroll up um unless you want me to do it. Um >> is there make this smaller so that we can see what's because I I >> So currently the maintenance vehicle is in the cuts. Um, again, we can purchase it this year. We do have the equipment money. I I did look. Um, so it is possible. So, if the

042board of education decides that it is a worthwhile investment, we can we can leave it as removed from next year's budget and again with board authorization, we can purchase it >> this year. That's exactly the kind of thing I'd like to see going forward. That kind of analysis like truck we could 25,000 a year on projects. That's the way, right? >> Absolutely. But he he one he's not here and two um >> we I I assume I mean in in in a um dynamic budget if you take this out you would have to increase unless it's truly just just um a time uh you know it's it's just more of an efficient way to do the the work which um is possible. But if we take this out or presumably if this was in then

043another part of the budget should be lower in terms of his outsourcing. So we don't know the answer to that and therefore you can't really determine whether it's worth purchasing or not. I know we saw pictures of it and it seemed to do a lot. >> The tracks are right. >> It's like interchangeable. >> No, this is the maintenance vehicle. This isn't the teller handler. >> No, the teleahandler is still in the budget. >> This is a maintenance truck. So, it's it's a truck with it has all the bins inside where where Eric said he sees the efficiencies is you're going to have more parts on hand instead of having to run to Home Depot to get all the stuff. You can carry more stuff. You're going to have those parts there all the time

044at your hand as opposed to coming back to Home Base or going to Home Depot to get So, there's it's really an efficiency in time. >> So, this isn't the one with the interchangeable. Oh, I thought it was, but it's not. So, sorry. >> It's just a truck. >> It's a truck. It's a truck. Yes. >> So, maybe a storage pod and keep all the things he wants on the truck. U in a storage pod and then they can instead of going to Home Depot, go to the pod. >> You go to the pod mall >> and then um >> but I think so. You have it right there. I open the door. I have the elbow >> and I do it as opposed to I still have to go back to the high school

045to get something. That's where the efficiency comes in. >> I see. So, is there anything really on this purple list that that we think we should really keep? I mean, >> we, if you're asking me, the administration very thoughtfully went through the budget and picked the things that they felt that they could, >> you know, reduce or um >> That's it right there. You know, the only thing that I would >> presentation >> Yeah. The only thing that I would say is that that on there because we were we were looking to hit the board of education targets. So we did put the transfer to capital in there since that was going to be the the um e you know the the best way the most efficient way to get to the 2.25% and that's

046how it was designed. But again that does not mean that that's those are the decisions the board of education has to you know make. We just put it in there as a scenario. But these are things that you as the administration feel that you could run the school well with that. >> Yes. >> These are the easier ones. >> The purple is the net amount. It the new net amount. >> The purple represents all of the purple represents what would need to be reduced from the budget to reach the board of education's first target that you had given us in the last uh two meetings ago of 2.25%. So, the way it was designed was that reducing the purple would get us to 2.25%. Um, reducing all the items that are in yellow would have

047gotten us to 1.95%. >> And then reducing the green. >> No, those are the decided, >> right? Right. Well, it's, you know, and again, it's it is a combination now because what I did is I literally took them off this sheet and put them over there. >> Oh, so that's what's left. >> So, it's Yes. It's like combined. That's what it would be. So where where would we be if we took all these items that were on this slide and all the purple items and then we left except for the transfer to capital. >> We also a couple as well >> as Alison does that this is the calculator and these are all the tabs of the budget. So we can everyone be say if we're going to look at the curriculum instruction we'll be

048looking at the same. You got a coral reef over there 100,000 and then coral reef over here is 16 or yeah uh no >> those are supplies >> that's supplies. So coral reef's 100,000 on here on this report it's um it's not 100 it's where is it? >> So that's two different those are two different items >> Mark those are two two different items. one is is setting up the coral reef room which was the $100,000 and Kim and her team uh said that they could wait to do that in the 2728 school year and I I certainly want to speak for you Kim I don't know if you want to talk >> yeah so I mean our thought process behind that is you know we're just finishing up set it fully setting up the

049marine wet lab now let's get it that lab portion up and running with students uh really activate the program and then uh plan for the summer of uh 2728 eight to really start the next phase and and that would be plenty for us to stay. >> So that's why we put the 100,000 and moved it off. An easy move, but that wasn't going to be >> and then that represents a reduction in the supply line where the coral was listed. So Kim felt like we could reduce that line since I didn't we didn't want to change what you had seen. So the reduction in that line, it's not a complete decimation of the line. It's taking $16,000 out of the line to account for the fact that Kim and her team are not going to

050have to buy some of the things that they would have had to buy had we set up the coral refer. Does that make sense? >> Yes. >> So, I put all the purple in uh as you requested, Heather, and that got us to 3.35%. >> With the exception of the transfer, >> right? I didn't put that in. >> Yeah. Joe, I don't know if you want to scroll down a little in that or if you want to give me that that for me. You still had the two items from the L that we took out, right? >> And now we're going to have to look at the rest of the yellow. >> So, if you see, I did not put the transfer to capital there. And I didn't take it off that sheet yet because

051you were just asking for a hypothetical. So, I didn't actually remove anything from that second sheet. >> I just copied and pasted it over. >> Um, the marine bolled materials in the yellow, is that the non stem supplies? That's an additional reduction. So, it was like the first reduction was in purple >> and then and and to her credit, Kim worked really hard going line by line through her budget. >> This is amazing. >> Um, she really did and she she came to the table and said, "Okay, if you need it in the first round, take this much, but if we still need more money, take this much." So, it's the same line, but it's an additional reduction in that line. So these are all in but reduced on this >> um not no they're

052not all in uh and reduced. So some of them are removal. So like the things some of the things we moved over are removal. So um an example of that would be the maintenance vehicle that would be coming you know out of the budget that was moved over the entire marine bio coral reef phase one that was a you know but then there are reductions over there >> right that's over there but then if you're looking at everything that's there um >> reduction >> you pulled everything except for trans >> right but but to mark to Mark's point everything that's currently in the purple over there on that second screen represent That's a reduction. >> And then what about the two below? >> So the new elementary music teacher, uh, the part-time teacher is is

053salary and benefits. That's brand new. So if we take, you know, it would be all or nothing. You're either hiring a part-time teacher or you're not. So that would be completely coming out. The nonosi STEM supplies are reduction. The U moving um Mr. Vonino's request to have a a full-time second clerical position. So he currently has one and a half. It would be taking the half and moving that person to full. So that's either in or out. Um supplies districtwide. We put that in there thinking that we could, you know, just take $64,000 out districtwide without combing through, you know, line by line. And then literacy strategies, Kim, I believe that was a reduction. >> Talk about that. So that is the literary strategies training that they have been receiving the professional development for series

054year. Um and so I would work with the principles to um it's really with our K12 that remain on that initial training uh phase we would reduce that we would implement more um you know um more targeted PD I could reduce it easily and and that's the amount that I figured that we could still offer a support so that it would be it's a >> we talked about this last time right yes and then that would be it that is it for the what the plan initially had so and I really like reduced it substantially this year as well. >> So the purple is in and reduced. The >> yellow is >> a mix and the green is >> those are all new positions. So you're in or out with those. Um you know those

055are that's a new science specialist. That's a full-time teacher. the purchasing agent, which we discussed at a previous board meeting, the literacy coach, that's a full-time FTE, and the math coach would be um we have a 0.2. So, that would be adding a point8, which is why it's a slightly um lower amount. >> Okay. So, if we could just quickly, so boiler repair is reduced 20,000. How do you not you, but how does one decide we we need less money? I I assume you ask for what you need, >> right? Some of this I mean some of it is contingent now. We will be getting new boiler components because of the fire at Westside. So that was taking a little of that contingent off of realizing we're getting replacement through insurance. >> Okay. >> So

056we're able to lower that. Again, it's again you hope you need not >> HVAC. >> You hope you go through that all the boilers work fine and everything and that would be great. But >> HVA install is completely taken out. So what are we losing there? Oh, the one that that 40,000 that's that was already that's already moved over Mark. So that's already on the the budget worksheet on the left screen, meaning it's already taken out. >> Yeah, those are already. So what did we lose taking those that out? >> Um we didn't really lose anything. Um when I spoke to Eric, he uh had you know he he came in in mid December. He he walked into a budget that was created by his predecessor. Um he went through it multiple times and then

057when I asked him to go through it one more time, he said that he really didn't think that this line was needed. So that's why he said we could take it out. >> Okay. And and >> I think I think a lot of that also is because of the the gentleman that we've hired. Like I think Anthony had to budget for that because we didn't have HVAC mechanics on staff. Now we do. So a lot of the stuff you were talking about that we had to outsource. It's going to cost us more money. Our guys can do inhouse. So that's why I think Eric decided that that $40,000 isn't necessary. >> Okay. But >> say say we're a lazy board and we just saw the budget and passed it. We would have passed $40,000 for

058HVAC installs. I I think this would this that was there in our first pastor like in December and then he came in >> and then he really went through a fine tooth comb that was in his understanding. >> It was in >> all right. So >> now this is an important point. >> No, it is important point. >> We if we're not going through this we would this is what drives me crazy is we we if we didn't sit here and do this exercise we would be approving $40,000 for something we don't even need. In all fairness, I I think that Eric >> and it doesn't mean we would have done any work. That is for installs if necessary, >> right? But it's if it's allocated it it's >> Did we already talk about that?

059>> Yeah. >> Um we took it out. >> Yeah. But we discussed some of these last week. >> Yeah. I feel like we're we're kind of going backwards. >> No, I understand what you're saying is I mean this was something when Eric went through this was an easy takeout. We don't need. >> Yeah. I just don't know how it ever made it in the first place. >> I don't think it will be in there with Eric though at the helm going forward when he gets to build his budget from the ground up. I think I have no doubt about that. >> I have a lot of confidence in that. >> He only hired the two gentlemen or HVAC. They just started in say late November. So I'm not sure at the time he understood their

060their abilities, their capabilities when the budget obviously we had to start making a budget so that we present it to you in December. So I think now he realizes what their abilities are. >> I I Yeah, I have a bigger just point to make cuz we're never going to be able to go through this properly. It scares me that I got elected and I'm a steward of my fellow neighbors money and I don't know. I know, but in an email, so we could have gone over it like it could have been highlighted and asked, you know what I'm saying? >> Do you think we have enough meeting time to do a proper review? You're going to tell me we do. We We don't. >> Oh, I got it in an email now. We're going over

061things. >> Do you think we have enough time to do it? >> I think we could have done a little bit, but like you got to ask. We could have asked. >> I'm asking now beforehand, too. >> I'm When am I going to ask? We're in a meeting. Anyway, so >> what we took, we spoke about some of these the last meeting. Maybe we should focus on some of the ones that if there's any questions on the purple section that we didn't go over the last meeting. There may have been a couple that we didn't talk about. >> Can I say some of these HVAC repairs weren't completed due to what happened at Westside? >> There's less that needs to be done. >> So, so we talked about the superintendent's conference day. You're getting that

062speaker and producing it. We did discuss that. >> Do you guys So, he's not going to speak to administration. Do you feel like >> that's worth taking that out for $3,000? >> Do you think you're having this guy come all this way? Like, do you think do you think it's worth having him speak to administration? >> So, I I think he's valuable. We discussed that at the the you know, the professional development committee. We saw the value of making sure that our administrators knew the message that was being and they experience that so that they could spiral the experiences throughout the year and make the connection to how we're kicking off the year and then make sure that it's continuous throughout uh the curricular year. We went through line by line to make sure that

063in the decisions that we were making, we are also preserving programs and and keeping kids in all of the initiatives that we were charged with by the board of education and start of this year at the helm of all the decisions that we're making. So if we as administrative team have to sacrifice that $3,500 and I and we can save one of the programs that we believe in um and and make sure that the educational programs are excellent for students. We will turn key the experience that we have from the audience as the teachers to the administrative team and do additional work. Would you guys mind looking at some of these bigger ticket items to maybe try to get us under this rate number? >> All right. So, anything in the yellow? So, right now

064we did take a couple things out of the yellow. We took $32,000 for the flexible furniture. And >> Mike Fino from the audience is saying that it's okay if we cut the extra person. have >> keep it the way it is. >> Keep it. Keep it the way it is. Okay. So, that would save another 31,000. Thank you, Mike. >> Thank you, Mike. >> Okay. So, I I moved that over that we're down to 3.3. >> And why do we need this new elementary half like full-time position at the elementary school? So, we've had um several discussions with regards to music programming and really wanting to support the music initiatives. And what we're seeing is we're seeing larger numbers of students um that are in some of our ensembles. We're trying to make sure that

065we are offering appropriate lessons uh to the students at the various levels. We currently have several teachers that are split around the district. We're losing some time by moving teachers because every time a teacher has to travel to another building, we lose a period where they could actually be teaching in building. So hiring a halfyear uh you know half person would help us to maintain one uh teacher in in certain elementary buildings avoiding the popping around the district maximizing time inside buildings and making sure that we're also still supporting our large ensemble groups um to elevate the the musical program overall. So, what if we keep that one for now and and take and you know skip it, keep it in >> and see where we're at if we Okay, >> keep getting rid of

066stuff. >> All right. So, we did the >> Does everyone agree? >> I'm okay with that now. >> So, this this is now fully updated. So, what's left is is there. >> Okay. So, moving on. We did >> Sorry, which number is it? the 2.95. >> No, it's the 3.3 because we haven't been >> right. The levy the 2.95 is the budgettobudget increase. So that's just a point of reference for you. It's not Yeah. I you know I think it's it's not the driver here. The driver's on the right hand side. It's it's the levy amount and the and the percentage. >> Right. Right. >> So the next one is the nonpoly supplies. This is a little bit more of the marine lab materials. So those items are also just listed as examples. When we

067think about non-boseiz stem supplies, those are the um contracts that we have that are um non-boseiz contracts, but often we have vendors that don't fall under there, but they're very specific materials that we need uh throughout the curricular year. Examples are when our science research students need to order specific materials. It might not necessarily be a Boseies material that they need. We want to support their projects. We go out and then order some some STEM supplies from there. Another example is some of the live organisms that we order uh for demos in in science classrooms and group based activities. Uh sometimes those come from Carolina. Carolina all items aren't on Bosey's list. There are only spec some items that are on. So we have to look to see whether it's on the Booies list and

068then if it's not then we have to purchase outside from just Carolina. So that's just some examples. So even though the listing there talks a lot about marine bio, they're not all marine bio. They are STEM total coursework. Um, and that's where that list comes from. >> So, anyone have input on this one? Take it out. Take it out. Take it out. All right, >> please. And then supplies just wide. This is a pretty big number. 64. >> What is that? >> What is supplies? >> Are those tissues for the classrooms? But did we did we reduce anything for not sending out so many mailers? I think we knew the number on that, didn't we? >> Right. Uh we reduce mailing for next year. So what we did was and well we remove the mailing

069machines from the buildings that we're using are very small and just went to stamps >> and it's really the elementarymentaries don't have as many. We're in the process of collecting >> elementaryaries other than some AIS progress reports. They don't mail much. It's a very little little mailing. Uh we're just looking through the junior senior high school which is mostly the honor rolls and things of that nature. We're looking to bring that down. Uh so looking to lower that mailing. One of the big things and I will talk to how Eric is helping here is have better storage but more efficient storage of items. There were some some locations we had way too many supplies. Things that were two and three years worth of stuff on the shelves that we don't need. We won't need to

070repurchase. We're looking to be more efficient in how we're utilizing our our items. And luckily, many things you could order today and it comes in two or three days. So, we don't need to keep these large stocks uh of items on the shelves. So, it's really deep there. >> Yeah. And if I could build I'm sorry, I just it's okay. Okay, I just want to build on that because um uh Rihanna and Eric and I are working to adopt a free platform through nicer through our insurance reciprocal um that is going to replace our current reservation software and in it is a really robust inventory um system as well as a preventative maintenance system. So, and Eric is is very tech-savvy for a director of facilities and he is embracing it. He's excited about it

071and he's already started that work. So, that's going to really help over the course of of time to reduce our inventory and not spend money stockpiling materials that we don't need to stockpile. >> Okay. >> And anything that was ruined or that left side >> will be replaced. We'll get >> insurance. We see most of the paper was because it can retain smoke uh was lost >> especially in the stores it was located and we had a lot there. So we have already reduced lines from westside um in advance of this meeting. So that that work was already done. If you guys think you can if you can live without $64,000 worth of supplies. Does anybody agree or no? >> That might mean in the future we need to actually be a little bit harder

072because we really depleted all of our supplies. But we will try. >> So I'm just looking at the board budget um >> well I'm happy to down you >> I'm sorry. >> Are you deviating? >> Oh yeah. I'm sorry. I'll wait. >> Yeah. >> Not that you can't go first. You can >> go first. >> But I want to stick to that list. >> So the literacy strategies initiative. I >> I just talked about that, right? We're gonna keep that's like the the water that's the cut >> it to the left and that's the dollar amount that you would be cutting from the current budget. >> But you already cut it down. That is the amount that I would cut it down. >> I already cut it this year. So now it didn't add that

073number in yet. How do you feel? You want to cut it or do you want to leave? >> I'm still trying to figure out how we just cut $64,000 of supplies. Don't you need supplies to run a school? I mean, do we have so much excess? And if you if you steal today from next year's budget, it it's just not budgeting. That's that's just that's just gaming. So I if it needed to be in there in the first place, it can't be it can't be fully eliminated. It just doesn't make sense. It's either not serious budgeting or you need to at least half it. I mean I it says supplies districtwide. What does that mean then? >> So what it was is instead of going line to line is taking a little from each of

074the supply codes and there's many supply codes. So, it wasn't saying we're going to take $500 from this one, 200 from that one, a,000 from this one, 2,000 from that one. It was looking to say we're going to across the board, we're going to take that dollar amount and we'll work it out in the end. >> So, is this like a $500,000 number that we or less? >> Oh, you could if you looked at your supplies. I I don't want to say exactly but yeah it could be there like a small >> the operation of plant which I'm not saying I'm I don't know if the supplies are in there but that that's one category uh that has a lot of things that have you know like gas and oil and >> what's that >>

075that's not the >> not supplies but if it if it's if it's part if it's a $64,000 reduction half a million dollar number it's good to see the half a million and then the 64 before. So you you don't it looks like we're just taking an ask by our administration and gutting it. And that might not be sound a sound move. I mean, it's good now to get get the spreadsheet looking better, but they might need that money. >> So the total supply budget uh currently in is um 290,000 uh across the district. >> So 300. that's, you know, amongst many, many, many departments. >> That's a big cut on $300,000 number on a percentage basis. And and and and I assume that was a serious number. Again, if we're being asked for $64,000, it

076it shouldn't be able to be zeroed out if the budgeting process is serious. We're looking for really most of the west side janitor and those type supply things are going to be recuperated through fire. >> Oh, that's what it is. See, you see >> there there's a good >> Who knows what this stuff is, right? It just says supplies districtwide. I'm thinking what is what are supplies? Are we talking it's paper towels, it's napkins, it's going to be the supplies to help clean the floor. It encompasses a lot of items. So like yeah in curriculum and instruction says general supplies there's supplies for PD committee meetings parent curriculum nights >> that's not the supply >> well any any 5010 any 5010 so so that second set yeah 10 is general supplies anything coded as 5010

077is general supplies >> thought you meant professional development >> supplies Yeah. No, that's that's fine. Um paper. >> Yeah. Reading like paper. So, you know, like this supplies internal catering is $28,000 >> on its own. Right. So, >> Right. And that's that's what we were thinking that there were there in addition to what Joe said with um if you took a little bit from everybody, you're not hurting anyone, you know, in in a sense of now now they're really going without. Maybe they're going with a little less, but that's not going to >> dry. >> Sorry. Instead of 15 napkins, they're going to get >> right. Air dry. Oh, I'm sorry. I just >> Those paper towels don't work anywhere. >> Air dry. No, they don't. They just push water around. >> Actually, Eric is

078is demoing other paper towels just on the FYI that might actually pick up water. >> Really excited about that. >> Do we want to look at either Bill yours or Kate? You said specific tabs. >> So, we're moving, right? >> Uh, did I not move that over? Okay. So, we're moving that over. Okay. >> And then we have these bigger lines on the green. Do you want to go through that? >> Yeah. >> And then we could go through things. >> Well, these are the specialists that we're talking about hiring. That's right. Right. We have the same. We discussed this last year, too. Remember, but they all have So, I spoke to they all have benefits and longevity except for the purchasing agent, >> right? With the purchasing agent, the goal there was to be

079not that we don't work hard to get better pricing. this would be someone dedicated >> to getting better pricing on everything. >> I think that's important. >> I think I I think that is something we mentioned before who have a longlasting impact >> that will save us money to um to have someone like that if they're good at their job. That will save us a lot of money >> and it also helps uh those who make purchases like you need to get three quotes. Mr. Dan Busk and I were talking about making purchase for flags of freedom. He needs to he needs to spend time with someone in his building to get three quotes for the different flags we need to get. Now the purchasing agent does that instead of the person or Mr. Dan

080Musk right now doing that that right there you don't it doesn't come up as a dollar amount but it comes up in time that Dan has to do other things. >> Would the purchasing person also be able to be trained in grants because I would think something like that you could ask for a grant for flags. Yeah, that it's not really a part of the civil service title of a purchasing agent, but I I'd be happy to, you know, I'd capitalize on that person's purchasing expertise. And and so if we're writing a grant where there is purchasing involved, that would be really helpful. Like so the local records improvement grant that that I just applied for, I had to go out for a request for quote and I had to speak to the vendors. And

081that's something that the purchasing agent could 100% help with. That took a lot of time um and was a big part of the brand. And if we didn't do that, we wouldn't even have been considered. >> Right. And going back to some of that capital work where we want to do bidding on this person could help there >> and be really on top of everything there. So again, yes, another round of savings that we want to be able to get from this person. Do you want to go through your own list and see what we can get to go through get below this three >> number because Bill said >> Oh, wait. So, we're not going over this game. >> Those are super important positions. And I'm not say I guess we're not saying yes

082or no on this yet, but let's see where what else we can find. Not not come back to this. Not like it's set in stone, right? >> Well, so this is how I'm seeing this work right now, which is very helpful. You're a 3.18 tax increase, right? If we did nothing else, that's it. You could eliminate some of the positions that are being proposed. You could keep those positions and reduce the transfer to capital. Right. >> Correct. >> One of the things. >> Yes. >> Or we can find stuff that was in the 20 >> or all the above. >> Let's try to let's try to look at that. My suggestion would be let's try to look at this other stuff and then >> come back to this. Not >> like I'm sorry. Go ahead.

083>> Okay. Actually, before we just because I'm going to forget. I know you want to move on from this. I I agree. But can we just talk about the literacy coach? We didn't have one this year, right? Didn't we have Mrs. Soul one year? Is that the same position? >> So, Christine S went back to the classroom, right? >> So, we had a literacy coach in the budget. This year, we did not fill that position. So, we went out twice. We were not satisfied with the candidates. Uh and so so it's sat in this year's current >> and nobody nobody wants it from within. >> We have asked and no one has applied for the from within. >> Oh, so do we have >> in any Kate in any position like this just like with

084our elementary teacher that we need. We post externally. We also post internally and anyone internally is more than welcome to send me a letter of interest. >> Right. I guess I'm just thinking we we were able to just move a teacher over. So, it didn't cost us anything, right? I don't know how we felt her. Did we have to hire someone for her spot or was that a year? >> We had to hire a lead replacement. >> Okay. I don't know if it was a year that we did, you know, the numbers. Sometimes you don't need >> No, we we hired a lead replacement to She was a teacher on special assignment and then we hired a lead replacement. >> Can I can I ask this? If we put aside money in the budget last

085year for a new literacy coach and we didn't use it, do we have that money sitting there that we can use for next year's? I mean eventually we'll have to keep paying that person. >> Are you talking about the math coach that >> the literacy coach that the position was never filled budgeted for? >> So that would that would be a part of our fund balance at the end of the year. So again, we can appropriate some of that money towards next year's budget. We can put it in cap reserve five. You know, the board of education is going to have >> that. I think we discussed making it part-time too, right? I I was not here when we discussed that. So >> we we have and obviously there pros and cons to a part

086time or part time would be less money. Uh one of the bigger and a con would be less time with our staff and students but also someone who wants to work full-time. You're not going to get those people probably your better people tend to be your full-time workers. You may get someone who truly wants only part-time and they're wonderful. That's what I wrap my head around the fact like we're just about to we want to hire a you know, somebody a STEM director and now hiring a science specialist and now >> okay so they're very different though and I'm not going to speak to the differences in the in the job itself but um you know in the last Friday notes I shared a little bit about the role of directors and the total number

087of meetings that they have across the district right and we think about all these other things that are going on that the directors are doing and pushing out to departments and other things it's not the same right so when you think about the coach coaching model. Um, and I'm sure you're probably familiar with some of the coaching models um from from the district that you're in. But when you think about coaching model, it is a clear-cut time that is spent going into classrooms doing modeling, examining the current data, uh, helping teachers to modify their practice to address their current students um, and continuing to utilize that data. And when we think about the role of an elementary school teacher and all of the lifts that we have going on in their curricular day, they don't

088have the time to do all of that to fidelity. And >> I don't I actually don't know that much about it because I don't have a literacy coach. It is the model that many districts, specifically those districts that you've asked and charged us to be on parallel with in our board of ed polls. Many of those districts have moved to the coaching model and in fact are adding coaches uh to their model. Uh districts that we've cited, right, that we want to be up at the best um to elevate our practice. So, it's definitely something I believe in and I know that it it doesn't sit well with this current board because of the way it has been presented in the past. And I know it's hard to erase um you know and and detach

089yourself from the language that was used to describe coaches in the past. What I'm telling you is this is good practice. It is something that I believe that if we want to elevate to the next level. And remember, we're talking about moving those those those to the level of mastery. This is something that if we put that in place, we are going to do better at what it is that we do. We're going to we're going to elevate practice. Um, so I I can't speak more highly of the coaching model and that is why that they are proposed here. >> I think that's a good passionate um endorsement and it's obviously a serious decision on our part because this has a long tail. These are not small numbers and these are recurring. But um you

090know the of of the all the cuts you know the the ones in the green well the purchasing agent I think helps us make money in the long run and the others are academic related. So I'm less inclined to look for ways to cut that. Um, I just want to make sure we're be more efficient or not as efficient as possible in the non-academic areas. I'm not looking to cut the academic areas. It's actually disappointing that we have to forego a year of the coral reef uh project down. That's really upsetting to me because I'm sure and I just don't know because I'm not in the weeds. I'm sure I could find a h 100red grand in our budget to have a coral reef. Um, but again I >> but I don't I I like

091the idea of that you have a plan though. It's not like we're getting rid of it. We're just we have we're finishing phase one. Like it makes sense and um I feel comfortable with that because it's not like you're saying no to it. We're just saying let's finish up what we started before we start the next project. Right. >> I was looking though. I was looking at this is what I was talking about. Do you have a tab at the bottom of the board of ed? that'll be here. >> Yeah. I was just cur and I was looking through this. I feel like it caught my eye when I was reading your email, Alison, um about what we spent. I mean, or about general supplies. Is there anything back on here? So, we pay New

092York State School Boards Association. >> You could get rid of the board helicopter. >> Not the helicopter. At least we have the private jet, though. That's okay. We'll keep that. >> Um, >> no, I know. I might get rid of the helicopter. >> We We got rid of the paper towel. >> As far as I know, I mean, we we What do we get? >> I know. That's what I'm trying to figure out. >> We get nothing. I'm still waiting for my exemplary. >> We eat pizza. That's true. You are not living large here. >> I'm just >> I get a pen from Joe sometimes when I forget. >> At the end of the year, do you find that that's actually how much we end up? Do we end up spending that? >> If you

093look here, we can see 21 >> from last year. >> So, it's 11,500. You know, we're not solving the world. >> We're getting rid of things that are, you know, one and a half year though. one and a half days to >> No, no, you're right. >> I'd rather take something from us than the kit. That's all I'm saying. Even if it is only $1,000 from five years ago and >> Yeah, we did reduce that line reduce. So, I'm like, what? And we don't miss anything. It's not like we're like, hey, where's the >> Not a lot of fat in the board budget. I I got to say >> I would if I thought we were being wasteful, I would. >> So, what's the professional? Is this diligent 5,000? >> No, that's in another location.

094Digent. Oh, so what's the 5,000 professional tech services? >> That sums up the board training training for if we have new board members or any training. F. So it's weird how it comes out of our system. The the total is on top. So it's the $4,540 for NISVA and 5 $560 for board training. That's the $5,100. Yeah. >> So, these two numbers here, >> these two numbers are that >> All right. Can I throw up the hill now? >> Sure. >> So, can we go to attorneys? Uh 1420. So, there's a $700,000 line for um and I, you know, it's it's a catch all, but it's CBA, labor negotiations, and oil. Like, that number is just big. So, we're actually uh projected to overspend that line already this year. So, unfortunately um because of of

095various obligations that we've had this year, um we're going to probably have to transfer money into that line. >> Okay. >> Sorry. Another one. >> Yeah. >> Right. >> It's like a game show. I'll take uh other insurance for 650,000. So, that is line 1910. I was just curious what it was. It was >> So, we have various other policies. Um, uh, cyber security, additional health, um, uh, uh, travelers insurance. Um, we have we have a number of policies that that, uh, are are grouped together in this line. >> And, and if you notice, we're we're estimating a 14% increase in insurance, which is $80,000. That's everywhere. Insurance is going up tremendously. Maybe that's an overestimation, maybe it's under, but that's our best guess from, you know, speaking to others and where we think that's

096going to be. Okay, I'm going skip a few that I think are obvious. Um, so there was library that which is 2610. >> Uh, >> so that's in the tech library. >> Yep. And I might have read it. seemed to be about 150,000 and it was like the books and I I'm just trying to understand like are there that many new books or is it not books at all? It's something else like subscriptions >> and the way I got to the 150 I just estimated some of the bigger items that were in white in that because I know it's a big category. >> I'm just going to see what the book component is. I'm not trying to cut books, by the way. >> Just so Bill, just you're saying it could have been in here.

097>> Yeah, it was uh Let me find it. So I don't think you >> So it was in the GL account 2610 and >> so I think >> Bose's service >> all the way like all the way down to 290. >> It's probably library services. Okay. Just a lot of stuff, but >> I know a lot of it you can >> That's what I was getting to. If it can't, then we can move on. I just didn't >> Well, I don't know. You can ask, but I know like OC services, a lot of that is like some of that is um like what number >> are you talking about? The follow um subscription. >> I think that's all part of the same thing. It's followed. It's all the databases. It is any of the digital

098programs that we have that comes with the library program. It's all wrapped into that $67,000. >> Okay. >> And our library our library uh inventory system. >> Okay. >> But if you're talking about budgeting for books, that's that's down at like line 290. >> No, he was talking about services from >> services. There's other ones like um you know books 6500 but books 125. I was looking at big numbers so I wasn't looking to debate $3,000 >> line 292. >> Oh so you're talking about the 67,58 line. Okay, >> because those th that that's those are all a bunch of subscriptions underneath that make that make up that total. >> Yes, >> that the teachers use in the classrooms. >> Okay, >> we don't want to cut that. >> So, if we go up um

099it's like a line magic around that. There's 20 like this is what I'm talking I went through. Yeah. Where was it? A little higher. There's a $25,000 line item. Um, and then around >> Joe. Yeah, Magic School. >> Magic School is the AI software that we use in in school for uh teachers and students. It's Ed Law 2D compliant and it is one of the only platforms that we've purchased that we agreed through the professional development committee that we could be using uh to begin to onboard students and staff into AI. >> Okay. So yeah, like you know, we we said we were going to look at the non like uh collectively bargain numbers and like the uh contracted for buses and then that that came to about 20%, right? And then when you start

100to look at that 20% and then you go into these um areas, you really don't know. I mean you like sounds like we need that, right? So, you really don't know um where to even cut. >> Well, it's even worse. Like some of that 20% is things like oil to heat the building, gas, we need gas, >> right? So, we um Bill had called earlier today and Alex and I went through we actually we did we would called half rings. >> There were things like oil could be one. So, we say we estimated $70,000 for a building. We can say maybe 65 would have been fun, but we don't know. So it's it's not a contract dollar amount, but it's the amount that we're estimating was a half grand. And then we said, "All right,

101this may be just without having a conversation like this. It may be hard for anyone to understand, you're home Friday night going through this, like what the hell does this really mean?" So we we removed them all. >> And if anything, oils that line's going to be low. Um right. So I think um >> I just have one more and then >> so Alison's business office is 39,000 services in 5510. >> Yes. So that's a consultant that we hire um to aid our transportation department. Um he comes in, he finds efficiencies, he helps to um negotiate with Huntington Coach to set up the routes at the beginning of the year and analyze them. So are I did check in with Dawn about this. I'm sorry. >> I just put a mint in my mouth. No,

102no, that's okay. I can't talk with a bit in my mouth. Um so I I did discuss this with Dawn and she still sees a lot of value in this service. Um that being said, you know, we can find other supports for her. So if this is something that the board of education wants to consider taking out, um you know, we can we can try to find other ways to support Dawn in in you know, her job in transportation. >> He does the negotiating. >> Well, he he because of his vast Dawn is is still fairly new to the world of transportation. So because of his um expertise and his his because he he lived the job for so long, he can bring a lot of that prior knowledge to the table and help and

103and so she's learned a lot from him. She thinks she can still learn more from him, but again >> so that would probably come out after next year. >> Yes. I I don't think that we're going to be I don't think we're going to be continuing it after next year, >> but we've had one for years, right? the consult. I >> I think it's about two or three I think since Dawn has come on that this might be the second or third year don't quote me exactly that we've used him. >> Yeah. And and just I I I have firsthand knowledge of how difficult it is to run a transportation department since um in my last year in one of my districts. We we the transportation supervisor left in August and I became the transportation

104supervisor for the year. I needed a consultant. like there was no way I was going to do that job. And honestly, as much as I learned in year one, I could see that if I stayed there, I would have needed somebody for several years past that just to really get a handle on on on that position because it is it is it is there's a lot of intricacies with it. >> So, it saves us money to have a consultant. >> I believe so. Don Don has has reported that you know he has helped to you know to discover and help her to learn how to look for efficiencies in the routing. Um and and I think in this in this last year of using him we're trans we're transitioning to the cloud-based version of transfinder

105which is also a very complicated system to learn. Again I watched somebody go through it as we made the transition in my prior district. So I think in this last year having that support in place as she gets used to the cloud version of transfinder we will then be able to pull back from it. >> Okay. >> All right. >> So my last point sorry >> so on the big item is transportation and the stuff that's not contractual is almost $6 million. I know we need buses right and and everything in that it's 5540. Mhm. >> What can we do to be more creative? Because um I personally think from seeing the line at the schools that the buses are underutilized and we're providing a bus for every kid. We provided a bus for Harbor

106after being asked for that and nobody's using it. So like what can we do to because that's one of the few items we could possibly get some efficiency. I'm well I'm asking it as a question. Maybe the answer is we can't but >> well we do hope. >> You're right Bill. I mean there are times where I see buses come a full 66 passenger bus and two kids get off and it's consistent >> and we provide busing for everyone. Uh Dan could testify to that too. Oftent times they're quite empty. Um we provide busing to all. Could we look >> is there a way to ask the community like, "Hey, if you're pretty certain you're not going to use the bus, >> I I think we could and we we may have to look at

107our policy may need to be adjusted on what it says on there, >> Mr. Bino." Well, but if we talk we'll talk about athletics in a moment, but >> Oh, yeah. I was just talking in general, right? >> I was actually going to link it to school. >> Okay. >> So, we have three runs after school. >> Yes. >> I don't think I've seen more than 10 kids take the buses. We have one westside run, which makes sense, into Void Harbor. That is, you know, Void Harbor, one bus can go to everywhere. And we're kind of unique. They the bus driver goes, "Oh, I know it's U3, so I take this route and tomorrow it's U3. We take a different route. He doesn't or she doesn't do the same route every day. It's dynamic to

108who's on the bus." But Mike's corrected the number of kids who take it is so small. >> I'm sorry. What I'm talking about is if there was a way to look at the routes to condense them because of the number of students on top of that it would alleviate additional buses when I'm when athletics comes into play >> and we have seven teams that are going away. So we had to take buses from other routes and they do double drop offs. There has to be a way to take the three sorry the actually yeah the activities bus then there's a five and then there's a 6:30 I believe we have to be >> 630 >> yes we have three runs that is mostly stem through the winter but it does happen in the fall and

109the spring but there is a way to condense it I know we have to provide it for the people that can't get picked up but we don't necessarily need I don't think as many. >> Yeah, >> I I think we could we could really continue to collect data for the rest of the year and say, "Okay, these three buses together never have more than 50 kids and we'll say we'll go to two buses and we split it up." Now, does that mean somewhere else be longer? Yes, it does. Uh but I absolutely believe that. We we've talked about that before. >> For the 6:30 bus, I never heard of that. Uh it depends on the school. >> It really depends on the school district because you know different districts have different budget constraints and um

110some districts have their own fleet. So it really it's it's very district dependent. >> There's a reason um >> we're a junior senior high school. >> So the winter is where it stemmed from. >> So 2:30 to 4:30 and then that activities bus plus junior high athletics. But we don't start high school sports until 4:30. So we give a additional bus for clubs and then the 6:30 practice. So even our 6:30 k practices there is no bus at 8:30. >> So that's where it is the background. >> All right. I think that's something that >> Yeah. But do we have a contract? Right. So um if we run less buses we don't get money back. Right. >> Well we pay we have a contract that sets the rate >> um for each bus. So each

111year we have a contract that says okay the big buses are going to cost this much money a month if you're booking a five-hour bus or sevenh hour bus and same with the vans. So that's the contractual piece. The number that we tell Huntington Coach we need, we are not bound by. >> So, right. So, in other words, you know, we do our best to say, okay, this is how many buses we have this year. Um, we did add, I believe it was Miss Cosme, I think it was two vans for the Poose Hill for next year. um based on the increase in population. Um so because we're going to have more students here, but that that's not to say, you know, maybe there are some efficiencies that we can find where big buses are

112replaced by a van. Vans cost less money, >> you know, if if you're not, you know, having two vans, you know, instead of a bus, one for one, it's it's a savings >> there. There's no doubt if Goose Hill switched to big buses, it would save a significant amount of money. But is that some that means those kids, the kindergarten and first graders will be on the bus longer? >> And is that something we think we're ready to do? >> I think the high school is I'm I'm not really throw that. >> I think everyone's seen the same thing. Um large buses and five kids or less taking them. It's really upsetting knowing how expensive and what a large part of our budget is. I was unaware um our consultant this is exactly what they

113should be doing is studying uh loads and uh routes routes and the I was told there's not a big difference in savings if you have a smaller or bigger bus. Is that right? >> the rate the contractual rate is different. Um, so a 66 passenger bus for five hours is $11,178 per month. A 20 passenger van for five hours. So same amount of time is 7,891 per month. I >> I don't think we're exceeding. We could probably do vans everywhere practically. Um, >> that's per month times 10 times you go from 16 or 17 buses to junior senior high to D something less but maybe it's 25 or 30 it would be >> no you're going down you're going same number of buses same passengers lower rate I mean there >> but if you go

114to van you may not be able to guarantee that like for a bus like going to every house to pick of every student. >> No, I think we need to do what what I think what >> Mr. Bino said, figuring out a way that we can just combine some roots in the afternoon and get rid of some of the >> longer route. Well, I was saying if you have instead of a large bus with five kids on it, have a van with five kids on it. Same route. >> But then you had to have to have people commit to saying, "I'm not taking the bus the entire year ever." Um >> because they'd be kicked. You know what if every decided to come always to five sometimes you will see 15 >> you have to

115go up to 20 and then the number so you build in a a a big cushion and also we're asked as parents are is your kid taking the bus and um >> so but that's not we can't do that now. >> No we can't do that now and do don reports that a lot of >> I think we probably have to budget but I I think the idea should be use the consultant and our transportation coordinator and let's figure this out before we tell Huntington Coach what our 27 26 27 needs are. >> Understood. >> Okay. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> So, for I think we could save some money. >> I I do want to say I I do have to be just one caution. I think we need to look at

116our policy. If a policy says we guarantee a seat for every child, we may need to adjust that. >> We have a policy committee Friday. >> Yeah, we do. >> We have one every Friday. No, it's next Friday. It's next Friday. Not next Friday. We'll look at next >> and and and and of 20 kids. I'm sorry. Go ahead. >> This is like a really small amount of money, but why not take it off, right? Lisa and I were >> Go ahead. >> Oh. Uh, under contractual expenses for BOE district clerk, uh, line 36 all the way. Keep going. I see. That was the title he was saying. >> Oh, no. Okay. So, line 36. >> Oh, the candidate letter. >> Candidate letter. No letters this year. >> That's right. >> That That's Kate. That's

117all Kate. >> Great. Great catch. >> It's not But why not take it off if we're not using >> We just made that decision. Um, literally I think it was this Yeah. two weeks. >> We didn't do it last year >> and this is the second year. That's partly, you know, not >> my uh Yeah. >> Yeah. Last year was a first year we didn't do it and this would be the second year. >> All right. Great. >> That's a big savings. >> No, to the candidates as well. >> That that was um >> so >> not an expensive. >> So I I go back to now we're going to go back like we promised to looking at those new positions and also >> can I just I apologize. Do we know anything specific to

118the people in the audience? Again, we may come back. >> I think we could answer most of them if they're not. If you, you know, if we something comes up later, but if you know if something is very specific to Brazil or guidance, I think we're down to >> I'll let them. Yeah. >> Dylan's enjoy. >> We'll let you guys go. >> Thank you. She's a She's a lock. She's gonna get some sixes. Bathroom break. >> Thank you guys. >> Thank you for your sacrifice. >> Hey, I would double victory. >> Except for Thursday. I can't. >> Thank you, Mike. >> Thank you to everyone for shaving stuff. >> We got to get some. >> All right, let's do it. Let's try to get under three at least. No, we're not there yet. >> That's

119That's a lot. >> We can do it. want to talk about the capital transfer or the >> Well, can I ask a question? Where did we I'm going to start talking about capital. >> Where did we where did that number come from? Joe, can you go to the um to the business uh to the building and grounds uh tab and scroll down to the bottom? >> Oh, keep all the way down. >> Sorry. And I'm sorry if you've already >> No, no, it's No, it's fine. Um, so we this was a part of our capital projects presentation, but we did present many, many items and we actually presented more than uh we we are funding here. So, >> and this was presented on March 10th. We were all occupied that day. So, that's probably why.

120>> Thank you. Um so uh the first line which is 231 there is to replace two two boilers at at Lloyd Harbor with new high efficiency units. Um we did in the capital projects presentation have the westside boiler in there but we we now removed it since that no longer needs to be replaced with district funds. Um so what this the way that the number uh was calculated were that the total costs include um voter approved money from the 21-22 school year that the voters allocated for heating improvements which totaled $431,9390. And since the total cost for the Lloyd Harbor boilers is estimated at 728,000 based on Michael Mark's assessment, then that's how we came up with the 296,610 number because that's the difference. So this will allow us to use existing voter approved funds,

121combine it with the transfer to capital money, and replace the two boilers at Lloyd Harbor. >> Okay, >> so that's that money. So, it's the difference between what we have and what we need. >> Correct. Correct. For that first line. And then the second line, um, Michael Mark in the five-year plan had masonry work on the exterior walls and the chimneys districtwide. So, all four buildings. And he he recommended in our last capital and facilities committee meeting to work in that it for the focus for the plan to go exterior to interior. So, fix the envelope and then work your way inside. Um, while also being smart because you always want to tie projects into something inside the building or like the masonry work I believe does qualify for building aid. Um, so certain projects

122don't qualify for building aid unless you tie them into something that does require building aid that does get building aid. Does that make sense? >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, this work um in the 2425 uh school year, the transfer to capital fund uh transfer to capital money was never spent. So, that was the $350,000 that was collected from the voters. And so, that was subtracted from the cost of estimate >> that 350, I'm sorry, that was what we didn't spend that we took for the traffic light and the >> No, that's I remember what it was. Okay. This this the voters voters approved $350,000 in transfer to capital in the 2425 budget year and none of it was spent. It's still sitting in the >> security booth discussed. >> Okay. Okay. >> Um so again

123taking Michael Mark's estimate of $1.1 million subtracting the $350,000. So we would need $83,600 to complete all of the work districtwide that Michael Mark has estimated. >> So if we said we don't want to spend that much on capital stuff, in theory we could reduce that and still do some of the work. >> Absolutely. >> Okay. >> Yes, we absolutely can. >> And is this part of the fiveyear plan stuff? >> Yes. These are the every every item here is is in the five-year capital plan. So the idea is to use the transfer to capital to start working our way chipping away. Yes, exactly. >> Obviously out of pocket, right? >> I mean, obviously the boiler is you're going to do it's either one, two, or none. I mean, we would do all those. It's

124basically this is where the differential would be, how much masonry work, and how much site work we would do. And it's been a tough win. I don't know if you noticed, >> every day you go through a different building, there's a little bit more >> quick fix done. Eric and his team has the the cold patch and they stomp it down. It's good for the year, but next winter it's just going to come apart again. These are more permanent fixes. So, he's fixing those and we're good for now until we could get to this. >> So, this So, the amount allocated for sidewalk and curb replacements and pavement restorations, that's not enough to do what is being recommended districtwide, but it will get us started. >> Right. So, it's 13 plus. We're looking to add

125maybe what 900 more. Is that it? Transfer to capital? >> No, that was a suggestion to take it out to reduce it back to $400,000 which is this year's transfer to capital >> down to >> so that we could get to the levy targets that the board had asked for. >> And that was just to get removing that 900,000 was just to get us down to 2.25. Right. >> Correct. With all the purple all the purple combined including the 940,000. So, I I get that for this year's budget, um, we got a big hole, though, right? Big hole between the, um, five-year capital plan if we're reducing um, and I think that that's something the board has to figure out big time. >> What if we made transfer to capital a million? What would that

126do to the tax levy? >> That's so scary. the maximum allowable levy. >> Yeah. >> That's a nice number. >> Get ready. >> It's going to be 300,000 by 7,000. >> So that would bring the maximum allowable levy to 3.4%. So we would be >> below. Oh no. Yeah. No. >> If if we reduced No, I'm just This You asked about maximum allowable levy or Oh, you were asking about this one. >> What's it going to do to this? Oh, what's it? Oh, I'm sorry. I thought I thought it was a different question. No, but it would it would change the maximum allowable levy. So, that it actually is important information. So, hang on. I'll uh I will do that change. >> Well, the maximum allowable levy would be 2.4 3.4. >> You know, when

127we come to a number, Alison has to run out, do the calculations, and come back to it to get that piece of paper with the numbers on it. >> We only have tomorrow, >> right? Technically, we only have >> 27. >> So, it gets us to >> 2745. >> That's better. >> What' you say? >> So, if we reduced the transfer to capital by $340,000, which is what Lisa asked, um, then it would get us to 2.7%. >> So, we'd be at 27. We would keep those key green positions for curriculum >> and we'd be below the maximum allowable levy. So, Right. And the maximum allowable levy would go to 3.4%. So you could the board of education would be able to say to the voters, the maximum allowable levy is 3.4%. We're asking you

128for 2.7. >> Right. >> Historically, we went to 2.95 in 2324. So it still wouldn't be the highest. >> No, it would be high. >> Last year it was >> last year's 1.75. So sorry. >> So what do we do to get >> Okay. I just want to wrap my head around something. This is what I was saying before. Leaving money on the table. So you're testing that in in the um the work that needs to be done. If we can wrap that into a project that would give us aid, >> right? Did you say that at stage? >> So we would get back building aid not next year. We would get it back upon completion of the projects. Um, and then there's always a little bit of a lag time. So, and but it's

129not a lot of money, >> right? So, I think your question No, we had a very low 7% but still 7 and a half million. I'll take it. We'll take it. Just curious what we >> But I think what we have to do if we just did all site work, we would have to do a say an interior dorm that's picking something and then now the whole thing including the site work gets aid. Crazy, but that's how it works, >> right? And Joe's 100% right. I believe that the the building aidable project has to be $10,000 or more. >> So, you know, there's there's rules about this, but but Joe is 100% right. If we just, you know, did asphalt work and nothing else, we would get 0%. >> Yeah. >> So, so what do

130they >> That's why you throw in two doors or three doors and you get a whole lot. >> So, this is if we take what out? What do we take out? >> 300,000. 340,000 out of the transfer. >> So we would we would take probably I guess you know again the board would need to decide but we we could reduce the amount of masonry work that we do. >> So we would be reducing one of those things as described one of those boxes in some part or part from each >> and that's was that is that work year one of the fiveyear plan is that how we like that worked. How did we pick that work? >> So, that work was chosen because um the boilers were chosen because we had such a large amount

131of money in the H fund that was already allocated towards that. So, um for a $728,000 project, you know, that's a lot of money that we already have sitting there that the voters approved. So, it and and it's on the five-year plan. Where it is on the plan, I I I'm not sure if it was year one or year two. Shouldn't we have like year one kind of in the budget because next year that we have to do year one >> that that isn't necessarily what Michael says has to be done it's year one of the plan whether it could be it's if we look here for um like this may actually be start saving our money down the road because it's more efficient boilers we may be saving some heating so that's a good

132efficiency >> this here is if you look at our sidewalks and curbs if You look at the junior high school, they were beat up before this year that the salt they're in horrendous shape. That I don't think is going to cover it all. >> So, if I understand this correctly, we have um we're putting away for a rainy day a million dollars if we do this, but our our bill is significantly higher. looking to spend it next year to do >> or we'll spend a million next year, but >> um >> we have we're so we're essentially going to have to do a bond because we're not going to have nearly enough going this route, right? I think we have to like we talked about almost $30 million in reserves. this. At the same time,

133I hope oil goes to $50 a barrel and we're able to save a whole, you know, we could save $200,000 at the end of the year and we could add that to cap because there's money left at the end of the year. So, at the same time, we're trying to budget as close as we can. I hope things drop and we get better pricing at the end of the year. >> Yeah. I mean, it's taking out our wish list projects like the updating the cafeteria and the pack, etc. And it's also taking a conservative estimate 40 million which is probably not even it's kind of wishful thinking we're there's still a gap but and I just one thing on the 40 or 45 million that market mark here a lot of that was roving that

134he was giving an estimate not having been able to go up there if you remember when we met it was 2 days or 3 days after we had a foot and a half of snow. So he was almost doing a worst case scenario. We think it's going to be better. >> Okay. And so it may he may be of horrible so I'm I'm flexible on this. If you think we're cutting that too deep, we can either go back and talk about positions or something else. But I I do want to say one thing. I think like we have to probably talk a lot more openly with the community in much more detail about the five-year plan and what needs to be done because I think just dropping on people that hey we got to go

135to the max cash every year because we got this work to do people aren't going to >> and he's and Michael Mark is is he I had an email exchange with him today about it. He's still revising the plan so it's it's it's not finalized. he knows there's still work that he has to do. Um, and so he's, you know, this this is something that is not is not a set number yet. >> And I think when we I know when we do our presentations to the PTGS and CBC, we include here are some of the numbers we're getting with our five-year plan to do this work. And and and I think you're right, though, we're transparent. Here's where we're going. Here's what we want to do. And I think our community as a whole

136support that they they want the be not wasteful best but the best for a kid that we need. >> And again this this first of all this plan just came out. So it came out and then we had the fire. So you know and I hate to keep saying that but that is the truth. Like we literally had our first look as a committee at the plan. >> Yeah. >> And then you know days later we had a devastating you know event that really took our time. No, no, no. I'm just saying we agree with you. It's just, you know, obviously we we had to deal with with what's in the moment. And Mark, to answer your question, I did just look it up. The all the projects that are listed there are year one.

137>> Good. That's good. Yeah. No, I mean we're eventually going to have to, like you said, make the community aware of >> um >> I mean, you know, like adding $100,000 back in is 15 basis points, you know, like is 285 worse than 270? Like I I really don't know. You can do this all day, but you can do that to three and a half. >> If you cut If you cut 240, now you're at 2.84% for the >> le. if you're cutting >> so you would know >> then these projects get delayed was it or >> reduced I mean again I I it's up to it's up to the board and the superintendent but to just logically it seems that the the the place to to take the money would be from the masonry

138work because if you're replacing the boilers replace the boilers like do the project complete it get it done um whatever money we have allocated for site work is is definitely needed I I really wouldn't take any money from there. Um >> Right. >> So that would but that's just my recommendation. >> So walls and chimneys and >> Okay. So >> shame to cut that. I mean it's not exciting work but it's I mean the work that makes our school look >> Yeah. >> sidewalks look horrible that sidewalk desperately needs to be done. The sidewalk >> you know these are um >> I don't know. >> These are not good cuts. No, but um >> she's saying not to say what she's talking exterior walls and I mean having our school look >> fresh and not

139even just up to date, not even updated. I mean I don't know. >> Is there any uh danger in not keeping that maintained properly? >> We would definitely do anything that's a safety risk first. That would be, you know, primary. And then as you you continually go down, it's like, oh, this has five years left and we like you're here. Is it better to do it now or wait a little bit longer? It's like anything like the cracks in the brick that are like running through the bricks on in the walls. This is >> anything that's dangerous that our architect came back, we would have told you if Michael said that, we're going to work on it. We would find the money to do >> appearance-wise. It's like those giant cracks. I'm not saying they're

140dangerous, but >> that's masonry work. So, it's its exterior walls and its chimneys. >> It's not great to have our school home. >> That I mean, >> I'm gonna throw out a suggestion. People could get mad at me, but I think we should put as much >> like I would do a million one in the capital. That would get you to 2.84 on the tax levy. I'm I'm throwing out a starting point to to debate. So that's what it would look like. Um needing one uh 1.1 >> distribute one. >> So in 20 >> in 2324 when we went when we went up to 295 is that the CBA year >> probably went up so high. >> That was before we were >> Yeah. Not my fault. >> Just kidding. Just kidding. Just kidding. Anybody

141have any thoughts on what number they'd like to target? Is 284 the number? Is 280? Is 290? Is 270? >> And how much of this work we're doing from the transfer to capital? If it's 2.84, we're looking at 1.2 >> 1.1. >> So you're cutting 240. >> It's 240. So, we're doing um instead of $800,000 of masonry work, it's coming directly out of that. We're keeping the boilers and the site work, >> right? >> So, you're cutting that by >> about 560. >> It's going down to 560 and >> I don't know, >> which you but it's really 560 plus the 350 because you're still using the Honey, >> correct? >> So, the percentage you're doing probably about 80 75% of the work. >> I'm not trying to sugar coat it. Just doing math here.

142>> Nope. >> Um at 111 it's 284 the t the mailing to the taxpayers. >> Right. >> So what I'm just looking at little things that I know you guys making fun of me. >> A nickel and dime table. There's like monogram tablecloths at Lloyd >> 2000. Lloyd Harbor 2000. Wait, does it really cost us $2,500 to send our kids to a Lloyd Matter House? Like I just I I'm finding this shocking. >> It costs more to go there than it does to go to the Vanderbilt Planetarium and it's a different Lloyd Harbor Matter House is the same town. >> Yeah, >> I guess they have different >> Can we just arrange a play date for somebody? >> Can they walk there? >> I've been there. Like it's there just one person walking you through.

143I don't I just I'm shocked at the price. Like obviously I know that's not going to make a huge >> Maybe they could teach the kids how to do the masonry work. >> They get um they get hours for that. Volunteer hours. >> There you go. That's true. >> How can that be? >> Paste it and go. I we >> It's cheaper to go to the New York Hall of Science. >> Then down. >> Can they just walk there? >> Westneck Road. >> That's crazy. I don't know. I'm just I'm looking closely at these and I I >> done this before, but we we're kind of shut down. >> But we've never had it in such exquisite detail. >> $2,000 items. >> Yeah, but you have 10 of them. >> No, I didn't say it's

144not worth it. I just said it's harder. Oh yeah. I mean, we're buying some sort of bass drum or something for that. >> No, that can't be. Island stream can't be 25. That can't be. >> That is that is the cost of a large piece of musical equipment. Believe it or not, they're extraordinarily expensive. >> More than you would think. >> One for my daughter for just the spring and I think it's like six sessions. It's $400. >> Film games 70 grand. What's that? >> Oh, I meant to ask you about that. >> So that Yeah, you might. So this is Varsity Media does films all their games. Every team does this and we share. So we'll get Manhattan. Manassa gets ours. It's almost you can't do it. It Mike actually said you have to

145do it. And I didn't I didn't know when Joy asked just know that you have to do it. >> What's the Zer Blosser handwriting? >> Zer Oh, looking on here. Um >> that's a handwriting program. If you go down there, >> my son can't write at all. >> So interesting. >> So award >> 15 grand award that changed because last time it was $7,000 when I asked Mike >> when I was two weeks ago. >> I I didn't I haven't made any changes. >> I could have sworn that it was $7,000 >> league fees for hockey. >> I think you're right. So hockeyy's $78,000. >> It's not on his uh >> ice rinks are very expensive. >> It's not on his >> No, but the whole thing added together. 78,000 presentations. >> We have 14.

146>> It's not on his presentation. >> Asking him last. >> He was making some last minute changes um >> up until a couple of weeks ago. So maybe it was an earlier iteration of the budget that you were looking at. I know you've been looking at it. >> So that's for a while now. Well, he had said >> $7,000 was awarding for the coach and pay for all county and then I asked him about what about scholar athletes. So maybe he added that in >> as we >> I'm almost positive it was $7,000 when I asked him. >> Okay. You see there's I mean I don't know if you did you go through these >> I I had the the varsity thing on my >> Yeah, but I >> I just want to make sure

147I'm not crazy. >> As we approach 10:00, do you guys want to >> circle back to anything? >> I just like K said there's thousand here, thousand there, thousand here. It's there to be gotten. >> True. >> It is there to be. >> Well, again, we do estimate, you know, we estimate >> large part of the 64,000. We took some money out >> large part of our budgeting process and so >> like a monogram table, >> right? So if you want to take the $4,000 out, I can move that over. >> I think that is branding that has the Lloyd Farber logo on it. >> It says um switch bags. I think the switch bags are what they use to move from class to class. >> I I don't know. I just I know it's

148only 2,000, but it's 4,000. >> Wait, it's 4,000 >> and then Westside does it for 4,000. That's 8,000. Actually, I think Westside has it. So, this was this was something that was uh Miss Shanahan was proposing because Westside has it. >> Yeah. >> So, it's I don't think it's in Mr. Dr. Barnes's budget. >> I don't know. I guess I just would rather put if we do have awards >> awards dinners, >> swimsuits and caps 5,400. Athletic training supplies. >> See, it doubled. >> What? Yeah. >> Sorry. The award sinners was 7500. >> Take $7,500. >> Do you want me to take $7,500 out? You got it. >> Look at that. We're >> just point three. And now we have uh >> or do we want to go to edit or do a coral? >>

149Sorry, Joe. You said 75. >> 75. Thank you. >> I mean, if watching >> All right. 2.83. >> What? >> We're getting now. We're not making light of this. This is very serious. >> Fall asleep. Oh, it's I'm wide awake and I I'm I got my >> uh scalpel out. >> Keep going. >> So, we're at 2.83. So, at this point, >> are we going to look to add any more masonry work or are we going to look to take any more away? Can we put this to the side for now? This section >> if if I'm Is there a way? So last time the tax levy was sorry I'm sorry. >> Is there a way to kind of I mean what I'd really love to be able to do would be to calculate per

150an average per household the change in the taxes but I guess but we can't do that because it's not >> we do average we can't do this is what you will be because everybody is is >> we don't have the town of Huntington's you don't have the town of Huntington's information. And I called the tax assessor. >> Yeah. >> Um today and she said I won't have it until earliest mid next week. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> I mean can we go back to those positions like the science position wasn't on there for I didn't you know last year we talked about math and literacy. that we do. Could we roll that out? >> Or could you combine a position and get somebody who could do science and math? >> One position, but they would

151split their time >> and then you have a full >> I think it's always it's it's it is very challenging to find an elementary person that does both both the math initiatives and the literacy initiatives. >> No, I science and the math. >> Remember the difference between the two positions is that the science position is a teaching position, right? They are teaching with classes full time. So the other model is the coaching position. So they were working with full time. So they're not teaching students, they are in classrooms with teachers. >> And you couldn't They're not. Yeah. Not the same elementary split between the two buildings, west side and and they're not servicing all grades. >> And so like we talked a lot at the beginning of the year about the science scores and the

152grade five assessment and where we're working towards in the in the um life science biology which is the very first right regions that they get. So the the goal when they think about it from long term is to build capacity in the three through five band and right and extend out to help the the sixth grade although sixth grade can come last. It really should have rich inquiry based lab based experiences for all three through five across the entire district and work with our K12 but at a titrated level. So less time with the K12, more time in the years that are focused on the actual assessment. >> Right? So then what would happen to those teachers that aren't teaching science? >> They are still teaching science, right? So we have teachers that are teaching,

153we put science back in to grades three and four, right? Where the teachers are only pieces of it, but the again the difference between the lab setting versus the classroom setting are very different. And we certainly can't set up longterm projects without utilizing the lab space and other things. So there's there's different kinds of practices that are going on and again we talked a lot about what can we do better right in our programming to elevate those scores and that was something that you had shared what do we do that's or what have have other places done differently that maybe we should start thinking about. So that's where that came from. This aligns with our first goals. >> Correct. >> You have apples to apple. >> At least if it's done right. >> Correct. >>

154So, does anybody have anything to share on these items? Just specifically the ones in green uh specialists and the literacy coach. >> On the left screen. >> Um I'm just asking if any board members we are leaving this in at this point. I would say at this point if anybody wants to >> So they're up there. there any changes or we're building this? >> Well, I mean, I could edit all day, but >> I I'm just trying to move on to the next. So, we're leaving this as set. If we're leaving this is set a behind you, those four positions before I went back to trans like this is our, you know, like Bill said, this is our our goal. Teach mastery. This is how >> how it gets done. >> I know. >> I

155think it's great. I just think we also need a good a way to monitor it, make sure it's working. reporting and you know we talked a lot about metrics earlier this year. I spoke about what those metrics will look like, how we're reporting those out. Um so implementing these will continue to right monitor. We'll give quarterly reports on what we're seeing and then the metrics will of course there's always a delay because we won't get the three assessments from next year until the following October. But those are all things that we'll be looking into and monitoring closely. But on the day-to-day we'll be looking at like the internal assessments and we'll also look at you know our um national assessments as we compare right to um for example our star reports our reports as we

156look at national norm reference data as well as criterion reference data. So those are certainly things that will be specific and that's what those coaches will also be able to do. They'll be able to look at our AIS scores and and start sort of like stretch the teachers in the classroom. So, is this like a a uniform program that will meld together all of these isolated right supports that we have and really bring it all together? And that's the goal. >> Okay. >> All right. So, collectively, we're okay with leaving this in and then all there really would be to do at this point. I know there's little things that we could add in, but really going to have to focus in on the masonry work and decide how much of that we're going to

157do. >> And then I think we can wrap it up. That's how >> with the caveat that we we got to scrub the bus the transportation budget and see where we can find >> improvements and creative efficiency. >> Correct. But for tonight, that's where I see this. All right. So, we're we my understanding now is we're going to focus in on this final number that which now is at 2.83 E3 and we're going to look at how much mason rework work we're going to cut and how much we're or we could add more in and increase the tax cap based on that. >> Now why did what what do we have a transfer capital 1.1 >> right? I don't know >> we're currently at 1.1 >> 1.1 and then um Allison was recommending that we

158leave in like the site work which is the curbs and everything. We're not touching that. Why' you go up from one to one? Just >> I think we could >> because I think we're struggling that we have all this work to do. So I I was just saying the difference between 27 and 28 is >> what could we get it down to 28? >> We could go in either direction, but what we're just focusing on on now is the lease. >> So to get to get it down to 28, I think we agreed to boilers and we agreed to the site work. So it's really coming out the basis. >> It's really coming out the main meter. So, >> all right. So, how much? >> Let's just look at that number, Alison. >> So, right

159now we're at 1. >> We're at 1.1 million for the transfer to capital. Correct. >> So, do you guys want to taught us >> get more mason we work done or less Mason we work at this point since we're just playing with that number? >> I mean, I don't want >> I mean, I'm no mason. I don't really know how much, you know, if we do, you know, if we take money out of that budget, is it going to fall down? >> I think you're saying no. This is at this point, we're not doing anything. All the work that would create a danger would be done. >> What we would ask Michael, >> right? What we would ask Michael Mark to do, thank you, Heather, you're right, is our architect, we would ask him to

160prioritize, you know, which work needs to be done first. Um, and and that's what we would target with the funds. >> And then I guess you would do the most apparent stuff. So if there's cracks in the front of the building, I would hope that he would address those first and then maybe things on the background. I mean, >> right, >> it's our decision. Here's what we need and which which is >> first keep it safest and then the next thing would be where it looks appearance wise. >> Right. Right. If will when you drive into the school are these things that are going to be visible like are people going or is this I do we even have an idea? >> Yes. No. Some that chimney that's all the way in the back that's

161kind of a little cockeyed and it's a little getting a little it's starting to peel. No one sees it but it needs to be done before it falls. Especially like on your house you probably see because it's smaller. When you look at the junior senior high school with 430,000 square feet, you may no one may ever see it. >> We could like the boiler. >> Sorry, but if it's we could take care of and we could certainly do before and after pictures. So, you know, where we show closeup, this is what it looked like before it was repaired and now this is what it looks like after. And I think those can be very illustrative, you know, for people that aren't, you know, standing staring at brick. Look, here's my little pitch, right? I'm not

162trying to sell you on equipment. So, if you look, we're like three years in since we've all sort of been doing this, right? And we've reduced the class sizes, we've added ICT, you know, like co- teaching model like we've done a lot focused on students where we've added headcount. We're continuing to do that, but like you can't have the building full. It doesn't matter how many for a teacher, right? If if you're not maintaining sidewalks, you're not maintaining masonry, you don't have a school. So, >> I just don't like cutting such a basic thing. It's, you know, >> Well, I don't think we I think we restored a lot of it. I mean, >> you're saying put it back to the full million 350. >> I'm not saying necessar it just seems a shame. Just

163the basic upkeep of the building would be >> what let's start out at 299 what gets us to and then we see where we want to be. Is that a number? >> I don't know. >> Yeah. What do you think, >> Bill? The the fact of the matter >> that this number is whether it's three or two, >> it's not enough. >> It's a drop in the bucket to what we really need. So, this is cosmetic for a budget vote at this point. It does not address the real budgetary needs of this district at all. We and it's not it's not because of anything current. This was years in the making. We this business >> um this um what do you call it? The building survey did not just fall out of the sky a

164month ago, you know. So this was years of poor planning in the making to get us here. And um it's it's a so that number I mean if we go to 299 does that get the >> No. So I mean it's >> it's probably harder to get that passed but at the end of the day the tax bill is coming. it's just going to be in in the form of a bond more than >> well you say that but again I really think the difference so I agree with you it's got to get done sooner or later but the only reason I was better at 283 is because we will have a plan about how we're going to pay for these things is it a bond or is it future taxes or is it maybe

165we get some insurance money back that we were you know like there's multiple paths None of them of themselves are going to solve it, but I just would feel better communicating with the community, here's a more wholesome plan rather than just hitting them with an increase that they're not going to understand because it took us six meetings to understand this, right? So, so I agree with you, but I'd rather give them something they expect and then say we're going to have more combo. >> We start laying the groundwork of telling them, "Here, we got a fiveyear building condition plan. We're taking care of the the immediate needs this year, next year, and we'll see when we get the roof dollars back. That's the big nut. That could be 10 to 15 million. We don't know

166where that is. And then we'll have a better understanding as we just we and we continually talk about it. We're just big up front. >> Yeah. >> And and here's where we have the like you said, these are coming due >> and how how do you want to pay for it? Is it all through tax and at the end? Oh, we need a mini bond to take care of some groups and maybe that might be true. We need to do a 5 million to finish everything off and we're going and then you're never done. It's like the people who paint to watch the George Washington Bridge. They start here by the time they get here. What do they do? They start back over again. >> But that's part of the plan. You know, you you

167do your work know, okay, this this came off and we start back on the old things that we need. We want this we need. >> When we did that back of the envelope of the 18 and the 11, is that depleting all our cushion, all our reserves over the years? That would be depleting the capital reserves, the two capital reserves, three and five. >> Okay. >> Yes. But not all our other reserves. Those those wouldn't be >> We have a reserve, the EVO, which is we money we put aside over the years for when people do retire to pay out their days. >> Thank goodness we've been doing that because we know that bill is coming due completely out of our control. >> Aren't you? Yeah. Statuto want to go back down and I agree

168with that. No, >> I I prefer to be at 283 until we can I think that's the compromise. I would prefer to be lower, but I I understand we have to do >> and we can go lower. I mean, >> no, no, I'm saying I think we have to do the work. I I agree with Mark. We're just delaying it. So, >> and what >> Sorry, I've talked enough. >> What if we just do And what if we just do a million? >> I want to get this pass. >> So, that goes to three 340,000. If you make the cut 340, that's >> Oh, if we go to If we go to 269 problem, >> Bill. >> Wow. >> Winning the math award for the night. >> Unfortunately, >> that $100,000 >> makes a big

169difference in the tax levy. >> It does. That's a lot of money. >> That's a lot. >> Is it going to make a difference in the How much How much of a difference will it make? work done, >> you know, like what like what's better? Is it better to bring the tax levy down >> or have to that or >> what >> I mean I just it's hard to picture the state of disrepair, you know what I mean? It's going to look I mean I can't are these all, you know, just cosmetic things in the back of the school. If that's the case, I mean obviously >> are we talking sidewalks? >> No, we we keeping them safe, right? The sidewalks. You did you show them break down? So the sidewalks Allison was recommending that's

170really important we do. So this is really and we keeping in the boilers in. So this is really masonry work. I mean I just he mason work is cosmetic though. Some of it is >> what is that $100,000? So how do we know when we're cutting things? We're not cutting things that are safe like safety things. >> No idea. >> I mean that's a scary thing to me. I mean, if if if you're telling me these >> problems, >> y it can create bigger problems. You leave cracks, water gets in it, bricks or whatever. Right. Correct. >> I'm no engineer. I I could say this. Looking at the if we took a total here, Michael definitely said it's not that this is if we don't do it, it's going to fall down in six months.

171>> He didn't say, >> right? There is some that if we only had 600,000, here's the order of operations. If we could do it all, great. if we hadn't put off a little time, we could do this later on. So, there was definitely some of that any like we asked him what is dangerous, what needs to be done and that's the first stuff we're going to get. >> And all right, so we're gonna >> like if we reduce this down to 700, right? So, this would go down to 700,000 money. Oh, >> no. It would the 340,000 would be taken out of >> So, you've just taken out of masonry. Well, remember it's it's 830,000 plus 350 which we have in the H fund. So really for this one for masonry is a 1.153 we're

172taking out 340 >> and this is with one transfer cover 1 million >> yes million. >> This is 1 million. >> All right you hear me. What if we made the tax 2.7? How much? >> So, you want it to go up to 2.7,000? >> I mean, if it's 2.7, I'm adding $7,000 into the into the budget. >> Okay. >> I'm just trying. >> No, it's a good question. >> What's more palatable because we want this done and we want it passed. >> I mean, I would say any masonry work that's going to for a safety issue 100% has to be taken care of. I really do think anything that you're see I don't really love the idea of seeing giant cracks in the walls of Cole Spring Harbor Schools when you drive up I

173mean in the back who cares even if it's cosmetic if it's going to be money that's we're going to we're like Bill says water gets in there it's going to cost us more money later I mean I know this isn't exciting and it's not but it's such basic work I hate to it seems like the most the most basic work that we need to do for our school to keep it going is to make sure the building standing upright. >> Yeah. >> But we want to get some of the work done. You know, if it doesn't pass, we can't get any of, you know, >> I thought at this we were getting a lot of it done. >> This is getting a lot of it done and it's getting 85 90% done. >> And some

174of that is going to be cosmetic and it goes back then the tax goes back down to 175, >> right? or yes, >> it goes down to it. There's no increase in the tax levy. So, uh there would be no increase. Um there would be no equipment purchases unless it was health and safety. So, like we could purchase AEDs, but there would be no equipment purchases. Um administrative costs would have to be um capped as well. So, uh and then the board of education would have to decide what are contingent and what are non-contingent expenses. So if if we needed to get to that point and talk about athletics or interfolastic or clubs >> um or we could go out for a second or we could go out for a second vote, Lisa, but yes,

175transfer to capital would be zero. There would be none. No capital work can be done, right? >> No equipment purchases can be made. Those are hard nos, >> right, >> in a contingent budget. >> So So that's what I'm saying. So So we're getting a lot of the work done and we don't we want our grounds to look nice, >> right? Right. We're getting But yeah, but did you hear what Alison said? Like if we don't get this passed with some of the work getting done, then it goes down then we either have to have another vote, right? Or it goes back down to 175 where we were last year and then the transfer capital will be zero >> or or then we make other hard decisions and we don't pay for hockey and we

176don't pay for crew and we start >> not putting positions in that are going to have kids. So I mean >> there is tough decisions to be made >> 100%. >> So I'm sorry I'm not I'm being passionate. >> No but no it's true passionate too. >> We are listening to the community with a lot of things that they want. Right. I think we're listening to the community with a lot of things they want. They want the they want certain buses right on street. They want the hockey, you know, they want the good test scores. So you know and I want all those things too. So if yeah I feel like we did a we're really trying to do it. >> We're just trying to sacrifice a number that I you know like I want

177to make it a number that they see like how many people are going to be like oh it went up so high like we can tell them until our faces are blue >> it's going up so high because we have all this work to do around the schools >> but I think most people know that 269 or 283 is not is not materially different. Okay. >> 175 and 2.75 is different, but >> Okay. All right. I mean, I'm not >> But I'm okay to see I'm not pushing I'm not pushing a higher number. I just >> I would love to go to a higher number. >> I just want to make sure it gets passed. >> I agree with you that that that Yeah. >> All right. And I do think that's part of our

178job in in answering presenting >> answering questions as to why the number is 269 whoever we call on and everything that happened. I I this is like one of the best videos for people to watch. I mean this is real debate we're discussing here and how much do we want to do? It's no I'm serious. It it really is this is great discussion >> and what do we want our schools to look I mean really I would tell anyone go walk the front sidewalks of the junior senior high school >> this year was devastating. >> Yes. >> I mean the responsible thing is to not cut um the you know the the the capital um allocation but we have to worry about if the budget's going to pass because that takes you over three. Right.

179But if we go to the and and that I do have to say that is an estimate by micro mark. It is possible >> that what we have can do it all. I don't that's a lot taken out like he might be off by a hundred or something. And I hate that a contractor is going to watch this video and see oh this is how they set aside new sidewalk. >> That's right. >> I hate it but that's what we have to do. Um >> all right so what do we think? >> Yeah. Let's come to something guys. can't I mean >> it's time to do this >> no but I think my feeling >> I feel like we we we kind of we keep which is I know we need to because this is

180our tax our tax dollars but I think I feel like we've we've come to the we're you know we're hiring the teachers that's a big chunk of change we're doing repairs we're sticking with the the community asked for in terms of the the club teams. Um, we did cut back a lot that we can live without. Um, I don't know. What do you think? Do you agree with that? >> So, do you guys So, 2.69, 2.79 or 2.89. You think >> I have >> those three options? What are you guys going to go around the room >> just to get land on something. Bill >> preference. You don't care. You don't have a preference. All the same. >> All the same to you or you have preference. >> What was door number one, two, and

181three? >> I I just said 2.69, 2.79, and 2.89 because we're hovering around those numbers. >> 2.83 was >> adding 1.1. I feel like we got the >> million, right? So I I don't think it needs to go over 2.83. >> Okay. So 2.83 >> 2 79 or 2.69 >> cuz you know >> 99 cents that >> you get me. >> Um >> I want to make sure it's >> not scientific. >> I'm with I'm with the 2.69. I was >> I'm 2.69. What do you think, Mark? >> Why not? >> Can I Can I ask >> It's not enough either. >> Can I ask another question? >> I'm so sorry. Okay. So, the difference between 2.69 and 2.83 is $100,000, right? >> I think that's what it ends up being, right? >> So, it's

182always still possible that at the end of the year, we could haveund at least $100,000 surplus. >> Correct. Mhm. >> Yes. But one thing we're still not getting the work done, >> but we can't use it for capital projects without voter approval. So capital projects are that special category, right, >> that require voter approval every time. >> So but that then >> but we could put it into capital reserve five. >> Yeah. And then then the next time we had a vote, whether it was a special vote or it was the next budget vote, we could absolutely go out to the voters and that $100,000 will acrue interest in our bank account that our treasurer works hard to maximize um in terms of interestbearing accounts. So, you know, there are pluses to that as well.

183So, we wouldn't be budgeting for it now, but we could maybe safely assume that we would have it at the end of next year's budget to put into a capital reserve to do the work. >> We just have assuming we got votings account. >> Yeah. Right. >> That someday in year two, three, four, we would have a vote. >> Yes. >> That may prior and say, "Do you want to use the money to fix >> hopefully the masonry is done, but fix something else?" and they would say yes or no. >> So just because we're not budgeting for that $100,000 and taxing the taxpayers doesn't mean that we're not going to have that $100,000 down the road >> down the road >> to do capital assuming we put it in capital reserve the voters do

184it >> and again that that goes back to the estimation aspect of the budget. So we we estimate many many lines within the budget to the best of our ability. We compare it to past expenditures and we try to get close to what we think we're going to need >> but not have too little. >> So, and then if prices come in and we're able to spend less than we forecasted, that's when we've got that money to put aside. >> We had that great example with Rihanna that we were 18 the prices came in. Boseies sent them to us and we knew in time. So, we just resigned the contract. It's $18,000. Michael have a teacher retire and then we save another $70,000. >> Absolutely. >> Between now and the end of the year >>

185possible. >> Okay. So, we're back to what we were just saying. What do you think? >> You still have to come to >> I just am doing one final exercise. >> Will you tell us more what the number is after the final exercise? >> Yes. because what I'm doing is asking to look at the five-year plan for Michael and I just want to see how it lays out and make sure that it's >> I'm just switching between keyboards, Mark. I'm >> W and Rihanna. Yes, I'm I'm going to I think this is Rihanna's email because um I just emailed her your phone. >> Oh, is this okay, Rihanna? Go >> ahead. >> Probably not. >> Oh, >> I changed my password yesterday. >> Should I I can log in as myself. >> You could. >>

186Okay, let me do that. >> You're going to lose everything else. >> I will. >> Well, you got to log out in Oh, your email. >> No, just email. It's just good to check this and then we're good. Yeah, we just got to know that number and the the cadence of >> with Allison's I mean did you like how we did this like this is going forward the same thing >> and we'll take if if something comes up next week oh wait next year let's add this we're all game >> to be as transparent and easy to work >> yeah I think yes I think next year you know being able to to pick things off is great and having some sort of idea like okay we don't want to go above of you know

187blah blah blah and the different scenarios. >> In my opinion, I thought this >> I I think the work that Alison made made it very easy to look at all contingencies very quickly. That was good. >> Yes, this was really an amazing effort. >> Thank you. >> Go to your center. >> Um Oh, yeah. That's actually a good idea. >> I love the team effort here. This is awesome. That's what Kathy Fresh is saying. >> She No, we That's >> I'm reading your email. >> That's the website that was set up. >> You can also just click right here. >> Download. >> Okay. Where did it go? Here. Thank you. Here it is. Okay. Thank you so much. >> Oh, because it's an Excel sheet >> by default. It's going to go to Excel. >>

188Okay. So, no good. >> Can you do a right click open? >> I'm not sure. >> What is it? Are we looking at the five plan mark? >> Yeah, I think it's in the range. Mine's about to die, but >> my Chromebook. So, it won't open an Excel file. No, by default. >> Okay. All right. Let's see. Wait, hang on. I have another workound. >> Yeah, I'm uploading it to Rihanna's Google Drive. Fiveear plan where >> that's broken into >> you're going to pull it up >> you want to look up Five year plan for building and grounds. >> I think >> Yeah. I just wanted to see the cascade of expenses. >> No. >> Oh yeah. I'm >> Yeah. I don't think we had a digital copy. Well, I don't >> It wasn't in

189that folder. There was a list of things. >> Oh, it was in the spreadsheet. You You should check. >> Okay. >> Is that our folder? >> There's no um like Like there's no >> there's a list >> budget. >> There's a lot of things on here. >> I think um >> I can show it to you on my laptop. >> Mar just pass around. >> Uh sure. That would be helpful. >> There you go. >> And the tabs on the bottom. You can talk to the different buildings. >> That's all good. So year one. >> That's this column. >> Year. Yeah. Year one projected folks is uh 4 million. >> That's just Floyd Harbor. That's just Lloyd Harper. If you go to the totals. >> Oh, no. >> Okay. Sorry. >> Yeah. >> Oh, yeah.

190This is See, this is so I remember more. Year one is $19 million and we're allocating a a million, right? >> Well, don't we have >> Well, how many years do we get to do? Year one. >> That's year one. Year two is 11 million. Year three is 2.2, call it. Year four is half a million. And year five is 16 million. That's at current prices which gets you to roughly 48 million. But again, this is what I'm saying. We're we're forward acrewing a million. >> Got it. >> Hey, there you go. >> That's great. >> That's awesome. I know. >> I put it in the folders. I knew it was. So, we got we got some bills >> and and um I that's why I'm less concerned about whatever number we go with is

191kind of optics. >> This is the bill that's hanging over our district. If you go down to the bottom, um there it is right there laid out. >> That's west. That's >> just harbor. >> It's goose. >> This is goose. So we have 32 million in reserves >> that we can use towards this >> 32 million available. So um 7,000 though is for the bond. So we do need to analyze what bond projects still haven't been done. Um what how much is that going to cost us and then how much might be left over and then consulting with bond council to see how we can reallocate those funds. We have the money in the H fund which voters can reallocate. Um and then we have um the capital two capital reserves. Capital reserve three which

192is closed and capital reserve. >> So under next year's budget >> right through a vote >> through the you know a proposition to the voters. We not not in this budget cycle because we can't add any more propositions. But in the future or a special vote, we can allocate any of those funds to capital projects >> plus whatever funds we have at the end of this year, right? Is we'll put that into a >> at the end of this year, we can the board of education can decide to uh take that money and put it into whatever reserves they choose. Um and then again, you know, if it's if it's a each reserve has their own rules, you know, as far as how you can use it and what kind of authorization that is needed.

193Sometimes it's a board of education vote. Capital is always a voter proposition. Others can just be done, you know, through the budgetary. >> So what when we had the meeting, we thought six months would have been a a bad good amount of time to really go through everything and have a good plan. But we do have that little snafu with with Westside. We need to look at how we're going to rebuild that. So maybe but we could say okay we could clearly say we need to do X work in the next six months like not done in six months and we go out for voter approval get that okay we got the next two three years worth of work of some of it done and then we worry about going down the road because we

194still look >> Yeah. So I'm confused though that what's this 188 and in year one and we don't have the money. Do we have to is that work urgent in any way? >> Here we'll go back up here and um that that was a concern. But so actually the score the scoreboard if you look in the pretty spot on what I had in the slotting notes but we have that in bond. I he at the time I don't think he knew that we had the bond. So >> and classroom cooling is also is also money that's been set aside in the uh H fund already. So we're going to be completing that project with already previously approved and the art room that's a >> okay there is some I look at that number I think

195we've taken first five off what we really need to do >> also. Yes. Some of it is this is the Cadillac Lexus Lamborghini model. >> And if you look, can you go to the junior senior high school tab? And this is what we were talking about, Mark. >> Oh, we're on there. Okay. Um, so if you look at uh lighting replacement, so you know, a lot of that work, and again, Michael, Mark didn't know this at the time, that can be done with our uh current staff. >> So that number can go down, you know, if we're doing a lot of that work in house. you know, Michael Mark can put the plans into SED so that we get the building aid, but then we could complete a lot of that work and cut out

196the contractor >> and we're doing the cooling is already >> right. That's what I said that I'm so sorry. Yeah, the classroom cooling. All of those projects are being done right now with existing H fund money. So, not you know, that's already been voter approved, that's already been allocated. >> Same with the ceiling replacements. We can also do in house >> through all the roof in year one. It doesn't have to be done. Okay. >> But he didn't know yet. He was like, "Let me give you your worst case, then your best case." >> It ended up Let's say 20% has to be done. Do we have 20% of um what's the bottom number? Uh was it 18? Do we have 20% of 18 million? >> We do. That's right. >> Okay. So, are you

197what are you thinking, Mark, at this point? >> Yeah. Are you >> uh we just have to we have to uh Yeah. just come to a number and vote. >> Okay. So, what number are we comfortable guys coming to? Let's come to a close. 2.69. Is that what we're looking at? Or the 2.83? >> What happened here? >> Oh, what happened? >> Oh, that's the wrong tab. I'm sorry. We're on. >> Should we just We should come to something. >> Is it the one to the left? went all the way to the right. >> I'm with you on that. >> Okay. Are you with Bill? >> Thank you. >> I know, but >> Mark, are you okay with that? >> We we move we added $600,000 in to the transfer capital from before. >> Okay.

198So, I'm writing this down. So, >> putting in a million. >> It's a 2.69. I'm trying to work on my resolution here. If we use that 2.69 69 number. How is it going to read? It will be resolved. The board moves to adopt the 2627 general fund expenditure budget at how much money? >> Uh it would be 73,857,674. >> State again. >> Absolutely. >> 7373 674. which represents the what% >> 2.69 >> 69% increase over the 2526 budget and >> oh no I'm sorry that's not correct. So that first percentage should be 2.4 one >> 2.41 and then 2.69 is the second. Okay. All right, guys. Let's do it. >> So, I have to I have to go get the property tax. I have to I just need a couple of minutes to to do

199the >> No problem. >> Everyone gets to tell free jokes >> while she's doing I'm gonna continue our second audience to visitors. No one's present. So, we did that. >> Nope. Stand up. We have >> Do you want to share your thoughts on how this is going? you recommend it to next year's learn about budget. >> Oh, that's good. >> So, we have a discussion, don't worry. >> Mark, we'll do it now if you're going to do it. Let's Can I take a motion to move up the discussion portion? >> No, we skipped discussion. >> No, we didn't. >> I thought you went to audience to visitors. >> No, I talked about >> Oh, no. No. He's right. He's right. No, no, no. He's correct. listening. >> He's correct. I skipped it. Do you have

200follow at the end? >> I'll open the floor. I'm sorry. You're right. I skipped the second discussion. I'm sorry. I turned the page. Do you have any items for a second? >> Yes. If we if we're killing time, I I um >> Okay. >> I noticed our our new fairly new um they're not really cypress trees, but whatever they call >> next next to the tennis court. Well, when they were delivered, they sat on the ground for weeks uncared for and watered. So, when they got finally planted, they were probably in bad shape. And now they're like bowling pins. Some are lying on the ground, some are dead. I mean, I I was going to wait actually a couple meetings and see how long they were going to sit like that, but why not bring

201it up now? They It It looks terrible. They're brand new. I don't you know, this is not >> water on them. And they had a drip line. >> They eventually put a drip line in. Yeah. It But when you have new trees, they got to go in and start getting water right away. They sat on the ground like near the Anyway, >> I know. I saw it. >> Yeah. It would, you know, so this um let's please at least stand them up and try to save them. And I just don't know why no one notices. Like I I >> my husband notices. Does anybody walk around and look and say, "Oh, this is this >> really bothered me when that happened." And I didn't think they ordered the right trees. I wanted them to get

202the green giants. They grow faster. They're wider. I didn't love that. >> Yeah. So, I'm I'm looking for people to take ownership of the areas that they're supposed to oversee and and do something. Um the other um now I lost my thought here. So, oh, were we talking about separating the tennis courts maybe into two? What I What's that? >> Mike had talked about when it's time to do the tennis courts over is we have two bays of tennis courts. I think they're four each back to back is say moving the one that's on the south side I'll say 15 feet more south. We do that one. So you're so there are fans in between the two days of tennis courts. So that will be something down the road. Tennis courts are extremely expensive. >>

203Uh we're not there yet. The tennis courts, if you remember last year, we had done a pretty good repair on those. So they're in fairly good shape. Uh when it comes time to do that, um that's we talked about moving that south 15 20 feet um to uh to out fans on both sides. So, and that's not in Michael's report, right? >> No, that that that wouldn't be a wish in a budget because we're talking millions of dollars. >> Oh. >> Uh for that. >> I don't know. I think we'd probably want to update the cafeteria before that. >> Yeah. >> In the high school. >> One other just large dollar amount that will be coming up probably next year will be the main field turf. uh you know looking to see whether that is

204Michael or Mark will be doing the I'll call it the bounce test whatever it is >> uh to see now and there is a new type of field turf out there's one that has a shock pad there's about two on the island that have it that we'll go take a look to see if we like that I I like being cutting edge not bleeding edge let's see how they are after two years and if they're good then we may go down that path it's a little bit more to install but less on m maintenance and we have our next facilities meeting on the 12th. >> Uh I think >> which one is that up the date? I don't know. >> I thought she sent Okay. >> I thought I thought we got You might got

205an email have gotten an email. It's the 12th, I think. >> Maybe if she sent it later today. >> Yeah, it was later. So, >> not too far away. And u >> on a positive note, we did get electricity at the two temporary learning spaces up at Westside. So that will really allow for the rest of the work to progress uh to to finishing that. We have our fire inspection tomorrow at 2:33:00 and then we just have to do some final touches. We really look like we should be ready to come back in on Monday. >> So when the kids used to use the lab and the library, what are I know they're going to have that alternative. What are they doing now? And like when they are suppose would have gone to the lab

206or would have they've been doing pushing. So uh Miss Hastings or Miss uh Erica the librarian going into the classroom now instead of going to a separate space >> just say like I'm out of here. >> She has to do >> Yeah. I'm not coming back. >> Kidding. >> So that's what they've been doing for these two weeks. Um and they knew that. I mean when that happened I mean Erica thought she might be like the rest of the year I'm going to be doing push-ins. So when I told her it was only be about two weeks, she was ecstatic. And she did a great job during CO. So she has this de she knows and Jamie Hastings is is fabulous. >> So it's really nice. >> We have to get a number from her.

207Yeah. >> Anything we need to know about >> Dylan can tell us on the survey. >> I can use a microphone. question. >> Okay. >> Yep. >> So, I don't know if you guys remember, but we did the climate survey a while in the beginning of the year and there was pretty good feedback from the parents and teachers. Um, but there wasn't very good feedback from the students. about like 30 responses I think which is obviously not a good turnout. So my goal as the ecstasy of student representative in order to get a better understanding of what the student body is thinking um I decided to cut down the survey and make it into five separate smaller surveys in order to um receive more responses from the students. So I have five different surveys and

208will be posted on Canvas by Mr. Rainbow later this week. And yeah, the goal of it was to get more responses from the students and see where the students think improvements into. >> So the surveys targeted to smaller populations. >> Yes. >> What were the five different >> So the different like the different groups of surveys I could read them to you. I actually And I didn't create any questions. I just organized them into different groups and cut down questions that weren't like >> targeted. Yeah. So the first survey was called CSH Junior Senior High School student feedback on school leadership and governance. The next one was CSH Junior Senior High School student feedback on teaching and school support. The next one was CS Junior Senior High School student satisfaction with sports and activities. The

209next one, CS Junior Senior High School student feedback survey, school climate, safety and equity. And then the last one was CSH Junior Senior High School student perspectives on learning programs and academic preparation. >> Very good. >> Thanks for your work on that. Yeah. >> Do do you think there's other areas maybe specific to the students that we didn't in that main survey that maybe we should ask about especially now that you've heard all the discussion around things we need to do. >> So it definitely covered a lot because when I was looking through the can documented all the responses and questions it was 107 pages. >> So there were definitely a lot of questions and some of them went very in depth and I ended up adding a couple that were like kind of sub

210questions to the questions that were already asked. But I also did include at the end of each survey if there was any thing that they the students would like to know more about or have another survey that was asked about something different specifically that they wanted to talk about. >> That's great. >> And it's anonymous when they Yeah. >> Excellent. Thank you. >> Did you do it? >> You think everybody believes it's anonymous? >> Hopefully. I mean, I wrote it like >> I think it's a real world challenge. we will face either at work or here like you tell people and it truly is and not everybody believes you. So >> did you administer in a particular class like social studies or English or you just did it where you found people? >> So we

211were thinking of having them be on iPads in the cafeteria. But that's kind of like the second step if we don't get a lot of responses. But we're starting out by putting them on the Canvas pages and then I'm personally going around to some of the teachers that have like various different grades and asking them if they would be able to ask their class to fill it out either after class as like assignment without like points attached to it just to remind them or if they could do it in class but if they don't have time in class they can just ask their students or too. >> And one last question for you. How long do you think each of the mini five surveys would take a student to take? >> So, a couple of

212the surveys are shorter, like not a lot of questions at all, like five. And then some of them, but each question has like sub questions. Um, but there's one survey, I forget which one it was, but it was definitely longer and it was probably like 12 questions. >> Okay. 12 total questions. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Not too bad though. It's multiplechoice response. Pick A, B, or C or all the above. Or >> show you or they write in >> more complex. >> Well, I I know Heather kind of is driving me. >> It's okay. We have till 12, guys. >> Oh, we do. >> All right. I'll look at that. >> All right. You want to show it to us Mark afterwards? >> Yes. I would like that. And you could send it to us

213too, you know, so we can all check it out. Send it to the >> send it to our >> We won't take it. Don't worry. >> So, can I have a motion to walk on the 2026 2027 general fund expenditure budget? First, Lisa, second Kate. All in favor? >> Okay. >> Not going to ask if we have discussion. >> Um, any questions? >> Sorry. All right. So, all right. I'll take a motion be it resolved that the board of education moves to adopt the 2026 2027 general fund expenditure budget at 73 million857,674 which represents a 2.41% 41% increase over the 2025 2026 budget and a 2.69% increase in the property tax levy over the 2025 2026 amount as per the attached threepart budget format format summary and via further resolve. The board of education moves

214to adopt the property tax report card as attached for the 2026 2027 school year in accordance with state education law. Can I have a first? >> I have a question. >> Did I read it wrong? >> Is is did you say in the beginning the budget is 73 million? >> Um Oh, yes. You know what that's The budget is 838. I'm sorry. The budget should be I apologize. That was the levy. >> I don't want to have to go through this meeting. >> No, you're right. That's a big catch of the meeting. Hold on. My pen died. >> It does say 83 on here. >> Right. >> What's the number 407? >> Thank god you bill. >> Thank you, Bill. All right, I'm going to read it again. All right. Be it resolved that the

215board of education moves to adopt the 2026 2027 general fund expenditure budget at 83,952,47 which represents a 2.41% increase over the 2025 2026 budget. And a 2 69% increase in the property tax levy over the 2025 2026 amount as per the attached three-part budget format summary and be it further resolved. The board of education moves to adopt the property tax report card as attached for the 2026 2027 school year in accordance with state education law. May I have a first bill? A second. Lisa, any questions? All in favor? Can I have a motion to adjourn the meeting? A first. Lisa, second, Kate. All in favor? Thank you. >> Thank you everyone. >> Thank you guys. >> Thank you everyone for staying. >> Questions.