001Hi everyone. Welcome to this May 6, 2025 workshop meeting um of the Oyster Bay East Norwich Central School District. I'd like to call the meeting to order and can everyone please stand for the pledge of allegiance. Okay, I'd like to turn it over to Dr. Yanni for the superintendent report. Good evening everybody and uh welcome to a board of education meeting. Uh this week is teacher appreciation week and I would like to take this opportunity to personally thank all my teachers for all they do every day to ensure our students receive the best education. Enjoy the recognition you truly deserve on this teacher appreciation week. And please remember that my team, the entire staff, and the entire board of education appreciate your work, not just this week, but every single day. So, thank you from
002the bottom of our heart for all that you do for our [Applause] students. Um, I would like to give the board a few updates that I think they're very important uh for them to know. It is with immense pride that the physical education, health, and athletic department announces a truly historic achievement. For the first time ever at Oista Bay East Norwich Central School District, we earned the New York State Public High School Athletic Association School of Distinction Award. This incredible honor first established in 2002 2003 is a testament to the exceptional dedication of our students, coaches and staff. This achievement is based on the fact that 100% of our varsity team achieved scholar athletes status which is 90% of better on 75% of the students on the roster. And this is a showcase of an
003outstanding commitment to both academic excellence and athletic success. Achieving this for the first time is a significant milestone reflecting the hard work of our student athletes, the guidance of passionate coaches that we have and the support of the entire staff and community. So, I want to congratulate everybody on this amazing accomplishment. And I'm so proud of all our students and staff and [Applause] everybody. Um, New York State on on Friday, April 25th, a representative from the New York State Education Department, Office of Early Learning completed a monitoring visit to Roosevelt as part of the grant that we received for the operation of a full day pre kindergarten program. The visit included observation of both preK and discussion and meeting with administrators. the results of the visit completed. They found no uh or no areas of
004no non-compliance and no corrective action required. It is clear that our teachers have created a wonderful environment. So I want to take this opportunity to thank our principal um Miss Small for all the work, Miss Gazo, our prek teacher, and Miss Gonzalez for all the work that they do and all the support staff. Uh that's a a a wonderful wonderful achievement. I always know that I have the best teachers and the best staff, but to be recognized from an outside agent is truly rewarding. So thank you and congratulations. Uh this year based on the board of education goals regarding ELA participation um which is the state assessment we have decided to engage parents of our younger children in in a conversation. Um my entire staff worked together to create a presentation that we did to
005to the parents. Um and um I'm very happy to to announce that the overall participation rate rose to 87.5%. But the one that is truly impressive is our third grade uh participation rate. He he reached an astonishing uh percentage of 95%. Which is quite impressive. Very proud. I cannot thank the parents enough for their support. for opening their minds to the importance of uh assessment as part of learning. So thank you. Congratulations. We have five more percent to go to get to 100%. I usually um do a very good job on the superintendence report. At least I believe that. Um but I think my students and the entire Bay News Now, they do a much better job. So instead of keep going, I've decided to show you a little clip of the work that they
006do. all the students in the Bay News uh now crew, they were not aware that um they were being uh that the video was going to be shown uh at the board meeting, but I I think is something that um is good to see. So, Mr. Dolan, hello and welcome to Bay News Now May Update. I'm Maline Matthews and I'm Michael Rich. Welcome to the monthly update, Michael. How's it feel? Good. It's my first one. It's going to be a great one, that's for sure. Let's take a look now at your latest school district headlines. Oyster Bay would like to congratulate three of our young inspiring scientists. George Georgu, Jeffrey Zang, and Nicholas Pleos won first place in the environmental science category in the middle school SAWA fair. In addition to this, they also won
007the clean energy trailblazer award for their work. Also, Emma Kim and Diana Lindstöm earned honorable mention in the behavioral science category for their work. Congratulations again. The OBS Easter egg hunt was a hit. Students and parents from throughout the Oyster Bay East Norwich School District came to the middle high school library on April 12th and spent the afternoon hunting for eggs. Along the way, they got to meet the Easter Bunny himself. There's also there's also a craft table and plenty of chocolate. Thank you again to everyone who attended. All proceeds go towards the 10th grade college trip. Do you find yourself suffering from spring allergies? If so, you're certainly not alone. But what causes them? I stepped outside to take a closer look. Spring has sprung, which means it's time for warm weather, lots of
008fun, and seasonal allergies. So, you have seasonal allergies, correct? I do have seasonal allergies, unfortunately. Yes. Allergies are on the rise during the spring months, and up to 40% of people suffer because of these allergies, according to People magazine. But what are allergies anyway? Allergies are your immune system making a mistake and accidentally targeting and fighting a harmless substance and treating it like a pathogen. Although there are certain allergies that occur all year round, like peanuts or latex, seasonal allergies are what usually get most people. So, what is the most common offender? Um, I'm allergic to pollen and common allergies. pollen and dust, which normal things. Um, usually we have a lot of people that are allergic to ragweed pollen. Um, there's more mold and dust. So, a lot of people come in with those
009allergies. Pollen is one of the most common springtime allergies. With plants like these being pollinated more and more in trees coming back for winter, pollen is all up in the air and in our immune system. Most have reported that their allergies caused them various symptoms from runny noses to scratchy throats and overall cause discomfort throughout the day. Thankfully, there are ways to help reduce the symptoms. Obviously, speak to a doctor before doing anything, but don't touch your face and your eyes. Um, make sure you're blowing your nose instead of sniffling in. And also wash your hands frequently because you end up getting so much of those allergens on your hand, especially for those seasonal ones. Um, so washing your hands will then prevent you from rubbing your eyes and getting those substances in your eyes
010if that's how you tend to show your allergies. Whether it's peanuts or pollen, always consult your doctor about your allergies. And good luck, Matt Matthews, Bay F News Now. Michael, do you have allergies? Yes, severe allergies. Same here. Pollen. Yeah, that's the most common offender. Mhm. In sports news, congratulations to the girls track team as they finished their league schedule with a record of 13-1 on Tuesday. Joselyn Shadler, Emilyn Zeller, Giana Pedes, Nicoleta Scales, Olivia Garcia, Lyanna Almorano, Nichollet Lewis, Kaylee Jones, Scarlett Frederickson, Sienna Stewart, Nicole Walsh, and Sky Almer each scored a significant amount of points to help the Lady Bayman defeat Cold Spring Harbor and West Hemstead. Congratulations to the entire team on a job well done. On April 23rd, OBHS took part in the National Letter of Intense Signing Day. We celebrated
011six student athletes who will be continuing their academic and athletic careers in college next year. Olivia Garcia will join women's track and field at Sunni Oniata. Justin Alice will play baseball at St. Joseph's Brooklyn. Briana Hay will join the cheerleading team at University at Albany. Scarlett Shelley will join women's fencing at Dennis University. Christian Alpharado Palasios will play men's soccer at Sunni Old Westbury. And Brian Yains will join the men's soccer team at Sunni Old Westbury. In fine and performing arts, the TR art show was our biggest and best yet. This year, we proudly showcased over 2,200 pieces of student artwork throughout the halls of TR, including our beautiful new building extension. With the exciting addition of full day prek, we are especially thrilled to feature their amazing creations for the very first time. A
012heartfelt thank you to all the parents who who helped hang artwork and to our incredible K through2 art teacher, Miss Brustman, for her passion and dedication. What an inspiring celebration of creativity. Districtwide art shows are coming up at OBHS and Vernon. OBJs music students were treated to a visit from worldrenowned composer Jessica Meyer. The Beayshore native and graduate of the Giuliard School is one of the world's foremost vi violists and a faculty member at the prestigious Manhattan School of Music. OBHS commissioned a brand new piece of music from Jessica titled From City to Shore. Our symphonic band and wind ensemble joined Jessica for an exclusive Q&A about the composing process. Then our wind ensemble rehearsed the new piece alongside Jessica as she gave them feedback. The Wind Ensemble debuted their performance of this piece at
013the spring concert on April 28th at OBHS. Take a [Music] listen. Under perfect skies, Mr. Boris and his photography class stepped out earlier this month for an inspiring adventure. They joined the Gotham Sidewalk Street Art Gowanas walking tour led by the incredible Richard Gar. Richard Gar is a Brooklyn based artist who blends art and history in unique ways. His work brought the streets to life and gave our students a whole new lens of public art. Great job. [Applause] Great job, Bay News. Now, so tonight we celebrate a significant milestone in the professional journey of several valiant members of our teaching staff as we formally recognize their achievement of tenure. Your dedication plays a critical role in shaping the future generation on a daily basis and we acknowledge the outstanding contribution you make. Having visited your
014classrooms, I am consistently impressed with your commitment to our district's mission of empowering all students to achieve excellence. The district extends its sincere gratitude for your dedication and for serving as inspirational role models for our students. We wish each of you many years of success and fulfillment here in Oyster Bay East Norwich Central School District. So at this time I would like to call um each one of you one at a time and if you can come up with your principal and the supervisor of your department. So ready. So we start with Sean Hoa is an English teacher at Oista Bay Middle High School. [Applause] Mr. Sean OA is a dedicated and inspirational English teacher who cultivates a positive, respectful learning environment where students feel valued and comfortable taking risks. He demonstrates a strong commitment
015to curriculum development, notably introducing the racist strategy and designing a student choice independent reading project to empower learners at at diverse levels. Behind the classroom, Mr. OA actively contributes to student life as a co-advisor for the Baybots robotic team and as a class advisor, consisting consistently demonstrating his dedication to student growth. both academically and personally. I remember when we had a visit from Chris Reggie from CBS News about a wonderful schools and uh Sean was trying to working with the students and the robot was not doing what it was supposed to do and there were the cameras on it and he was so patient and so calm. Uh I was truly impressed with how you handle the whole thing. So I'll never forget. Congratulations. Wish you all the best at Oista Bay. put the whole
016picture together. Holly Janosca, she's a kindergarten teacher at Theodor Roosevelt. So, let's have uh Deborah Small. Miss Ali Janosca embodies the energy essential for a kindergarten teacher, captivating our students with engaging lesson and read aloud. She designed instruction around clear objectives incorporating the latest reading research and utilizing technology like Seesaw res kids to enhance and personaliz personaliz personalized learning. Miss Janoska holds students to high standards while providing ample support. Collaborates effectively with colleagues on project like the Earth Day assembly. Always a great presentation. Leads special experiences like the fire department visits and contributes broadly through the teaching of cheerleading and presenting a parent orientation. I'll never forget uh one of the trip that they had uh to Disney World that the bus was late and then when he arrived it didn't have the proper paperwork
017and the airplane was uh almost missing the the airplane and she was so calm, cool and collected and always smiling. Impressive. So congratulations, wish you all the best. Virginia Camp uh she's a kindergarten teacher Roosevelt. [Applause] Virginia is a warm and caring kindergarten teacher whose classrooms run smoothly, fostering a positive and often often playful environment conducive to learning. She possesses a strong understanding of standardsbased lesson design, effectively engage all students using various techniques and empowers them to take ownership of their learning, notably leading efforts in student self assessment. Miss Camp is also a technology leader for our grade level and demonstrates extensive commitment to the school community through diverse extracurricular activities including the assistant drama production and committee work and coaching. And I always said to my wife, why we need to go to Broadway
018when we can just see this beautiful show. So keep up the great work and congratulations. [Applause] Carla Meada. She's a science teacher at Oista Bay Middle High [Applause] School. Miss Malara is a highly effective science educa educator commiti committed to student success fost fostering a positive, respectful, and focused learning environment. Our well-planned lesson incorporates diverse strategies and technology like Plleger to assess understanding and guiding instruction using data. Miss Mara thoughtfully enhances the classroom atmosphere with calming music and mindfulness exercise and generously volunteers our time for school initiative and events, notably dedicating significant extra time as the advisor for the successful science Olympiad team. I visited our class and I remember leaving the class and I said to myself, I wish I had as a when I was in in school as a science teacher. quite
019impressive the environment that she creates. So congratulation wish you all the [Applause] best Alexandria Müller Mueller uh orchestra teacher at James H. Vernon. [Applause] Alexandria has been pivotal in establishing and developing the fourth through sixth grade orchestra program of Vernon, building its curriculum from the start. She excites, challenges, and motivates our student, elevating the program's rigor while creating a respectful environment where young musician feels safe to take risks and grow. Miss Mueller utilizes a studentdriven lesson, encourages reflection, incorporates technology to support practice, and extend our impact significantly as a vital advisor and director within the Vernon Theater Arts Club. When we were designing the music wing at Vernon, I thought about Alexandra and I said, "This is a brand new teacher, a brand new building, a new program. I don't know how she sleeps at
020night, but she's sleeping well and she's doing a beautiful job. I don't know if she's sleeping well, but I'm assuming you do. Congratulations, Alexander. That was a big assumption on my part. Justin Pearlman, uh, mathematics teacher, Arista Bay Middle High School. [Applause] You got fans. Mr. Justin Perman fosters a positive and productive classroom climate, implementing engaging instructional strategies to cater to diverse learners in mathematics. He consistently challenges students to deepen their understanding by justifying their reasoning and demonstrate effective classroom management. Mr. Perman extends his commitment behind math instruction by co-advising the Baybots together guiding them to competition and embracing his own learning by teaching technology sections using the project lead the way curriculum. when I interview Sean or when I interviewed Justin um it was at the same time with Justin he was coming from
021the city and he had a lot of experience and I remember asking him how do you going to get used to the Long Island and and changing and he say with a with a a lot of confidence he said I just love what I do it doesn't matter what I am tenure not tenure it doesn't mean anything to me I just love to be around the kids and teach and he demonstrated that every single day and I'm I wasn't impressed and I'm constantly impressed. Keep up the great work. Enjoy. Donna Reubel, special education teacher at James H. [Applause] Verona. Miss Donna Reubel cultivates a warm, nurturing, and supporting environment for our students, providing individualized instruction. support the f and foster growth while maintaining high standards. She builds strong collaborative relationship with students, parents and staff,
022skillfully integrates students interest and technology into the lesson and utilize data to improve students performance. Miss Reubel actively seeks professional development, contributes to district committee, supports extended school program and exemplify responsibility and care, promoting inclusivity through the school. I I have to say that Donna worked together with a lot of people and with Miss Small on the literacy commitment and she did a wonderful job inspiring teachers have been teaching for many years and looking at the work and I was quite impressed to to hear all the wonderful things that you're doing. Keep up the great work. Wish you all the best. [Applause] Elena Thompson, mathematics teacher, Oyster Bay Middle High [Applause] School. Elaine is an effective and engaging mathematics instructure who creates a positive, inclusive classroom where students feel valued. She skillfully integrates technology to
023enhance learning, fostering a love of the subject through collaboration and by challenging students to reach their full potential. Miss Thomasson demonstrate dedication behind the classroom as the adviser of the Math Honor Society, providing enrichment opportunities such as trips to the National Museum of Mathematics and consistently fulfill our duties with professionalism. I am impressed every time I visit a math teacher. But when I visited Elaine, um it was quite clear that she has a passion not just for teaching but for pure mathematics which is quite impressive and I'm so glad that uh you're the adviser of math honor society. Always doing a great job. Thank you. Yiming Wang, fifth grade Mandarin teacher, James at uh at James H. Vernon [Applause] School. Yiming has significantly enriched the Vernon community, playing a key role in establishing the Mandarin
024program and shaping our passion for the language and the Chinese culture. She creates a supportive engage engaging and respectful learning environment. Immersing students through hands-on approach that includes cultural elements, technology, music, and interactive activities. Miss Wang fosters collaboration, builds student confidence, promote cultural awareness through school events like the Luna New Year celebration, and is regarded as a kind of helpful colleague. I have to tell you that Miss Yummying is Miss Wang is the Mandarin program on Oista Bay and I'm very proud of all the work that she does and when I visit our classroom I felt like for the first time I can learn a language other than a Latin language. So I have a hope that I can do it if I follow your class. All right. Congratulations. Ashley Wyman, uh, school social worker
025at James H. [Applause] Vernon. Ashley is an invaluable and dedicated member of the Vernon SK school community. Profoundly impact students well-being through our passion and commitment. She develops and implements vital social and emotional learning lessons, collaborates effectively with colleagues and administration on student support and act actively participates in extracurriculars. Miss Wyman's leadership in initiative like kindness matter and PS I love you day significantly promotes mental health awareness and inclusivity while our kind caring manner builds trusting relationship with students and I spent a little time at last year a couple years ago at Vernon for several weeks and I have worked closely with Miss uh Wyman and even in situations that sometimes are not the happiest moment. She had the ability to find positivity in everything that she does. Keep up the great work. It's a
026pleasure to have you. [Applause] Congratulations. Nicole Freeman, assistant director for special education. Miss Freeman demonstrates an ex exemplary commitment to all students, particularly those with diverse needs, significantly enhancing our curriculum and instruction. She actively empowers colleagues through targeted training on datadriven goals and progress monitoring and provides invaluable guidance to our mental health staff regarding student support intervention strategies and best practice. A leadership in key initiatives such as implementing new life skills and reading program and improving the IEP process underscore a dedication to student success and continuous improvement. Behind the classroom, Miss Freeman excels at fostering vital partnership with families, ensuring they receive support and resource, especially during challenging times. Our participation in the district wellness committee has expanded important mental health initiative throughout the our community. In all our interaction, she builds positive relationship making
027a highly value administrative member of our team. Nicole is a lot more than an amazing professional. She's therefore the colleague no matter what the day looks like. And talking to Nicole, you realize that there is a place for everything. And when things are all over the place and there is a lot of commotion, Nicole is always the voice of calmness and you figure out, well, we are alive. We here it's a good day and we'll figure out. So, keep up the great work. It's a pleasure to work with you and we wish you all the best at Oista Bay for many years. So, at this point, let's take a picture all together. Um, I know that uh we'll set it up. I know that um a lot of uh the families have uh celebration uh
028prepared. So, maybe after this it would be a good time for you to do a slow exit if you want to start the celebration early. So, let's take a picture. [Applause] Moren, this has nothing to do with your presentation. They just You want to at this point I'd like to invite Moren Reor for a budget hearing presentation. All right. Good evening. Uh this evening we are holding the public hearing for the 2526 school budget. We go. Throughout the 2526 budget season, our budget mission has been to advance Oyster Bay East Norwich as a model of excellence and innovation, providing exceptional opportunities and outcomes for all students while partnering with our community and staff to ensure thoughtful management of resources and investments to the future. We have remained focused on staying within the allowable tax levy
029cap, strategically aligning resources, using capital reserves and budget allocations to invest in the facilities and promoting fiscal responsibility. Tonight's hearing is going to include an overview of the entire budget for the 24 2526 school year as well as information about the proposed capital reserve projects and details regarding the budget vote as we have been discussing. As we have been discussing, the budget process this year required careful attention to ensure that a balanced budget is proposed due to several factors. Specifically, a CPI which continues to be over 2% and an allowable tax levy growth factor capped at the amount of taxes we're able to propose. The summary of the adopted 2526 budget is as follows. On the left, the revenue has the largest portion of the tax levy, which is 59 million. the state aid which
030is about 3.3 million reserves fund balance and miscellaneous make up the remaining 4.5 million that does equal the expense budget of 65,6791,61. The major categories in the revenue budget as presented tonight represent those three categories where the tax levy represents 88% the state aid accounts for 5% and the other revenue again reserves fund balance miscellaneous is 7%. The tax levy, although the rate of inflation is commonly referred to as CPI, this year is 3.3%. Which is over 2% for the fourth consecutive year. The New York State controller again has capped the allowable tax levy growth factor at 2%. This is the key component of the tax cap calculation, which is the amount of revenue we're able to propose for the 2526 school year. This results in an allowable tax levy limit of 2.91%. Therefore, the
031levy in this proposed budget is 59,891,222 which is within this allowable tax levy limit. We've been receiving some information recently of the governor's office that there's been a general agreement on the state budget. However, there's been a 10th budget extender which has been passed which funds the government through May 7th. However, as I stated at the last meeting, we are still confident in this budget as presented and adopted by the board of education since we do not expect Sure. Can you hear me now? Great. Thank you. So, thank you, Mr. Leopac. As I stated at the last meeting, we are still confident in the budget which is presented and adopted by the board of education since we do not expect the enacted state budget to have a major effect on the proposed state aid we
032received back in January. These are the numbers for this year and again the first number that you see here is the foundation age which oyster base which received the minimum increase of 2% from state aid which was presented back in January. The third main section of the revenue budget is comprised of the reserves, fund balance, and miscellaneous revenue. Each year, these are reviewed the reserves are reviewed by the district and the board of education to determine the best use of these funds while supporting the budget to remain fiscally responsible and strengthening our long-term financial condition. The balance of each of these funds are indicated here as well as in our financial statements presented earlier this year by external auditors. The 2526 proposed budget includes the same amount of reserve and fund balance as in the
033prior year. However, this chart shows in the past several years the appropriated reserves and fund balance used as part of the budget. As you can see, it's been a slight increase over the past several years, which is mostly due to the sharp increase in CPI that we've discussed. As I stated earlier, the district's long-term financial planning and strong financial condition has supported the district's commitment to stabilizing the tax levy increase for our community. The miscellaneous revenue is all listed here. This includes things such as uh use of facilities agreements, interest income, and some county reimbursements. Putting this all together, we're able to present to you the amount of the 2526 revenue budget of the 67,79161. In balancing that with the expense side of the budget, the expense budget is mostly uh received from salaries, benefits,
034and contractual services. In further detail, this chart shows the expenditure budget. You can see from the top two lines of the chart, salaries and wages along with the employee benefits, which includes health insurance, TRS, ERS, as well as disability insurance costs are the largest two components. This chart represents these same categories in a percentage form. Again, you can see that the salaries and wages, benefits, followed by transportation is the third largest cost. An important analysis of the expenditure budget is the three-part budget. This breaks down the expenditure into three main categories. Administrative, which are mostly uh supervision and business and legal cost. Capital, which are facilities and utility expenses. Where program is mostly the educational costs. This expenditure budget breaks those charts compare the current approved 2425 budget compared to the adopted 2526. And I
035am proud to say you can see on the bottom that the program costs which are are direct educational costs have been increased from last year to this year with a reduction in the administrative and capital costs. This supports the focus of strategically redigning resources to support academic, athletic, and arts programs that foster students growth and success. In balancing the revenue and expenses, you can see here that the proposed budget of over 67 million, which is an approximate $2.2 million when you compare the current year to next year. In addition to the budget proposition on the ballot this May, you will also find two propositions for projects that will be funded through the capital reserve fund. Year after year, the capital reserves allow the district to support long-term facilities and technology planning while strengthening a multi-year
036financial plan. With the capital projects proposed this year, we're going to continue the renovations and improvements of existing buildings. This year's projects include at the high school concrete and asphalt and parking lot renovations, the auditorium house lights replacement, and several HVAC renovations at the high school. At the Roosevelt, there's going to be some ca cafeteria renovations, uh, installation of air conditioning in the cafeteria, as well as some carpet and flooring replacement in several classrooms. Districtwide, there are several roof repairs, uh, in addition to an administration building roof replacement that is necessary. Proposition two supports the multi-year technology plan where students at TR have a 1:1 iPad. Students in third grade receive a Chromebook and then later again in high school receive an updated Chromebook that they continue to use until they graduate. In addition to
037this onetoone device uh plan it supports. It's also a multi-year uh replacement of staff devices, educational display boards, and this year there's some security system upgrades that will occur. Here you will see the three propositions that the district is proposing on the ballot this May. First would be supporting the budget at 67791 061. Proposition number two would be for the technology capital reserve as I just discussed. And proposition three is for the capital projects, the facilities projects. The budget is taking place on May 20th at the Oyster Bay High School courseroom from 7:00 a.m. to 900 pm, which has been consistent with our timeline all along back from the beginning of the year. So, here are some several resources for your availability online. This presents a historical vote information. Again, you can see we've been
038very proud to say even though we've had a high CPI, we've had a a very steady uh tax levy increase for the community. Uh on these next few slides, you'll see some voter information. It is important to uh note that the last day to register to vote is May 15th. This is the district clerk's information uh with the phone number and address as well as all these resources are made available on the agenda page. You will see the presentations attached as well as on the board of education web page of our website. Not only all of the current year's budget information and resources are posted as well as on the left side you will see the archives of all prior years. Thank you very much. Thank you. Okay, let's move on to approval of minutes.
039Do we have a motion to approve the meeting minutes as listed in attached below? So moved. Second. Second. Any discussion? All in favor? I. All opposed? Motion carries. Let's move on to the opportunity for the public to be heard on agenda items in accordance with the open meeting law. School board meetings where school district business will be discussed are open to the public. The Oyster Bay East Norwich Board of Education welcomes public comment at its meetings. The board of education will respond to comments and or inquiries in the appropriate manner. This portion of the meeting is designed exclusively for agenda items. A signin box book is provided for those residents wishing to address the board. In order to be recognized, you must be signed in. Each speaker will be allowed a maximum of three minutes.
040The board president will call you to the microphone in the order in which you have signed in. Public discussion is prohibited regarding matters relating to an individual's reputation, privacy, or right to due process, which in some way could be violated. A second commentary period is provided for non-aggenda items prior to adjournment. We thank you for your participation and cooperation. First is Miss Patricia Burke. [Applause] My name is Patricia Burke. I am a retired secretary who worked for the Oyster Bay East Norwich Schools for 30 years. I have a question I'd like to address to Mrs. Kowalsski as president of the board of education regarding the layoff of two members of the grounds crew in the budget. uh line items. The salaries for the grounds crew is listed as $270,95 for the crew that had previously
041been four people. As of July 1st, there will only be one remaining groundskeeper. Will he re receive that amount as salary or will the budget amount be changed? In my day, although the secretaries and custodians were the lowest paid employees of the district, we took great pride in our work. Look around you at this room. This building was built in 1929. It gleams because it is wellmaintained by a dedicated custodial crew. The lawns and trees outside are maintained by a dedicated grounds crew with only one quarter of the staff who will cut the lawns. Who will get out of bed on a snowy night at 3:30 a.m. to plow the parking lots? who will pick up band instruments, saxophones, tubers, bass drums, snare drums, carefully arrange them in the truck to prevent damage and drive
042them to another building or to another district and load them again carefully. Then reverse the process when the performance is over. It's your grounds crew that does that. At Thanksgiving, who will load the trucks with hundreds of pounds of donated food and transport it to the designated drop off point for the community food drive? Repeat this process again with toys at Christmas time. That's your grounds crew. The groundskeepers take great pride in maintaining the athletic fields and seeing they are properly striped for each game so our teams have the best facilities possible. The grass will keep growing. The snow will keep falling. Who deals with them is up to you. A few years back, when for the first time the district was going to have to hire security guards, the residents of Oyster Bay and
043East Norwich let it be known that they preferred that the district hire their own rather than using an outside agency. If you are considering using outside landscapers, I urge you to reconsider reconsider your position and reinstate Mr. Kamis and Mr. Kariaga to the grounds crew. Thank you. Thank you. [Applause] Okay. Miss Amarie Longo. Do you want to answer that first? Oh, Dr. Dr. Yanni, will there be only one's groundkeeper? That's right. So, So the the abolishment of the position is just the abolishment of the current position that we have. Uh the plan is to restructure and the answer is no. There will not be just one groundskeeper for the district. Miss Miss Longo. So So thank you for that. So, um I don't remember and I've looked back since what where you guys decided and
044discussed in public based on the sunshine laws what you were doing to reorganize the grounds crews. You can't just sit there and take, as Mrs. Burke said $270,000 out of the budget and rechange it without notification or public discussion so that every person in this community can hear what you as a board are discussing can understand where you're saving the money or spending the money elsewhere and can understand where we and all the people who live in this community who voted every single one of you in and who allowed you to hire a superintendent and run this school district, you basically still answer to the community. So where in what in in what meeting did you people openly discuss the reorganization of the grounds crew? We have 53 acres of land here that four people
045have immaculately taken care of this pro this land. every single day they get up and they shovel and $270,000. You are not even getting a person to come here and plow this place for $270,000. I also would like to know that how are you going to hire somebody legally to do the work that the grounds crew did? you cannot replace those people and these people cannot come in and do the same identical work. So I I'm I'm a little concerned and a little perplexed on how I continually come to board meetings and watch and board meeting uh business is not being held in public so we all can hear it. You're not discussing what's going into this budget and what's changing in our schools in public so we can hear it. So we as taxpayers
046can understand where our money's going. And this is just a perfect example how one day we see the grounds crews are gone. Well, what have you done? What is the numbers? Where are you saving money? Are you doing it for a cost savings? Are you doing it because it was inefficiently done? I mean, I think we have the right to know. So I would like an explanation and I would like to know when based on the sunshine law you people discuss this in public. [Applause] Mr. Longo, thank you for your question. I'm just going to answer in the order that uh that I see it. Uh the first thing is um unfortunately you're making the assumption which I understand um the frustration that the um you're making the assumption that we are moving forward with
047one ground uh person. Um so to answer your question, we're not even we're not entertaining an outside agency. Um all we're doing right now is making sure that the district remains in top conditions. So we going to guys you got to understand that she asked a question and I'm trying to answer. So Miss Lango, let me finish and then if I didn't answer then you come back again and you ask more questions. So right now the assumption that we are moving forward with one crew is not correct. We are working with civil service and first step is the abolishment of the position that we have on the agenda tonight. The next step is if the board approves the resolution is to go back to the civil service, request a classification of position which entitles which
048deals with the position, the title, what we allow to hire and they would also let us know who is entitled to the new positions that we are creating. Um the other thing which is very important is the fact that we are not talking about elimination. We are talking about a structuring of the system that we have in place. And that is the same thing that we have been doing for the past four years with administrators with supervisors. We have been restructuring to efficiently manage the district. when it comes to um information that is related to personnel, we are not discussing that in public. But what I can you assure you I can assure you that we have been working with civil service. We have been following the law. We will continue to follow the law
049and we will make sure that at the end of the day when the if the board will approve the resolution which they have an option tonight to approve or not approve it we will go back to civil service and we will request the position that we need to request to properly and efficiently run the district. So my question is when this discussed what does the board of education feel after 50 years we need to restructure the ground and go back to civil service there is discussed the resolution is presented to the board tonight. I'm trying to answer your question. So, the resolution is tonight. The board can has the option to discuss if they choose so. But what I'm telling you is that at this point, the position the the restructuring of the position is
050part of my duties if I decide to recommend to the board. So, you decided to to restructure without a discussion with Board of Education. Is that my understanding of what you were saying tonight about a decision you want your own? My recommendation tonight is provided in the agenda with the resolution. But what I'm telling you is that there are certain items that I am allowed to discuss in executive session with the board, not in public. I'm not talking about an individual person. I'm talking about discussing changing a function of this district and how we deserve to understand what your people are doing. You're not a decision and change something without support of educ discussion and I would hope that this board of education and your president of your board of education sitting there understands that
051so I don't I asking again when are we hiring people or is the district the hope is that we hiring new people and that we are creating a more efficient system in terms of discussion It would be discussed. It was discussed at the time that it was discussed in executive session. Wait a minute. But you cannot talk in Is it in executive session you people are talking about reorganizing and restructuring the grounds crew? We're not talking about individual people. And if we're talking about individual people, I mean, unfortunately, we're a small district. So, if we're going to restructure an English department, we're unfortunately talking about one person. Okay? But when you're talking about restructuring the grounds crew, that discussion should have be had in public. So, you've been a board president, so I'm sure you
052you do understand what I'm about to tell you. In this particular case, when you have one supervisor and you're talking about restructuring, indirectly, you're talking about the one person in an executive session that is related to personnel that cannot be discussed in public, but indirectly the two things are together. If I had a department that had 25 people and I'm restructuring, it could be a potential discussion in public because we're talking about restructuring here. Are we talking about the restructure and is only one person that holds the opposition? So personally so so individually you're talking about this is this technically is about one maybe two people since it affecting two people. You're not restructuring a department. You're not saving the district money. How are you saving the district money? Is this why we're doing this?
053Are you changing the grounds thing because you're ch you're saving the district money? I I I'm just really confused over all of this. I'm trying to clarify as much as I can. The the the the uh the the the efficiency is driving the decision. The fact that we saving some money is a consequence, but the efficiency is what drives the decision of my recommendation. I think it's a shame that board business to this magnitude is not discussed in public and that the board of education is sitting there and allowing this to happen and continually happen and that we are surprised. But I got but I got to tell you one thing I'll give you I'm surprised but I got to tell you one thing for you to come up here and tell that you we
054should be ashamed of what is going on when we are trying to do what's best for the district. I think it is an insult to my board that works day and night without doing anything. You know, well, I I'm I a I I don't understand, Dr. Yanni, but the public has the right to know. We have the right to watch. We have the right to listen to discussions. We have the right to understand what's going on in our districts. Okay? And and I think it's time that this town wakes up and sees what's going on. Thank you. Okay. M Mr. Thomas Burke. I don't know if I can top those two ladies. I've been around here since 1956. I'm an alumnist whatever 71 72 and to do what you're doing it's impossible to run a
055landscaping crew a grounds crew with one person. Termination letters were sent out prior. You have that imprint on the agenda that you're terminating you're firing these two people. How is that possible without cause? How is that possible? Are you guys going to shovel? Are you going to plow? Will you donate 237,000 of your salary to support them? I doubt it. So, welcome to Oyster Bay. I never met you. I finally had a chance to meet you and President You Kowalsski. But these guys have done a great job. And to think that one person is going to cut all the grass, salt all the sidewalks, and plow everything, I think you really got to consider what you voted on or did not vote on as far as I can tell. But the letters have been sent
056and it's in that agenda. And if it's your personal decision, that's not right. That's all I got to say. Good luck. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Burke. So, Dr. Yan, I just want to make it clear that there will not be just one groundskeeper. No, we're working with civil service. There will not be one ground. We will go back to server service, announce the position and hire the appropriate people to run the district. So is it are you going to be hiring any I mean anybody outside? We are not in other words a landscaping company or anything like that? We are not we are not considering or we're not hiring an outside agency. We are work with the civil service to hire people that are part of the civil service department. So we're not hiring
057an outside agency to come and cut the grass or plow the snow or anything. We are posting the position and we'll rehire the people under a different structure. We will work with civil service and we will post the position. And if there are once the position is posted, anybody is more than welcome to apply. Well, if if they can't Miss Longo, if you have a question, I'm really not entertaining the back and forth. So, yeah, it's okay. You have the time. So is that legal? Do you know? I'm not sure what the question is because I could illegal to h to change the title in civil servants. Okay. And have the new person do the same identical job that the old person did. I am not I am not stating that. What I'm saying is
058that step number one would be to abolish the position. But why? Let me ask let me for efficiency. But why were they were they not doing their jobs? Were they not I don't you know Dr. Yanni you I understand what you're saying but it seems that your board of education has questions. You acted and and and this gentleman is right. You sent out letters to abolish a position before a board of education even took action on it. So So you're acting and they're reacting. Is that how this goes? Because this is I I mean you're hiring two three people to do the identical job that people have done for 25 years and you people are coming here and saying that it's not being done well. So first of all I'm sorry. First of all you
059first of all you you putting words in my mouth by stating something that I didn't state. All I'm saying is all I'm saying is that we are abolishing I'm proposing the abolishment of the supervisor position and the labor and I'm going back to civil service and reclassification of position. Why the question is why for efficiency. So, but so you keep saying for efficiency, but yet but yet you are going back to civil service to find a way quote unquote on how you can hire Oh, no. Because you know where you can hire somebody to come in and do the identical job that these three people did. One quit, two were let go for efficiency. and you're going to go back to civil service and you're going to hire these three people for efficiency because the
060jobs were done poorly incorrectly. Well, that that we can't you know that you can't discuss, right? Right. Okay. But but the question is can you go back to civil service and civil service will require who gets what jobs? Is that how it works? No. Okay. So, it's not So, so as So, Dr. So, Mrs. Kowalsski, just to clarify for the community, those sitting here, and those listening, your superintendent made a decision for efficiencies, fired two people, taking an agenda item three weeks later, and now you guys are going to discuss whether you're going to take action on that efficiency after the fact. So just so you know the way civil service will work is that we are proposing the restructuring to civil service. Um then at that point they give us they give us the
061clearance to go ahead and propose the abolishment to the board. The decision is not official until the board will approve the resolution. I understand. And then after that at that point once the resolution is approved by the board we will go back to civil service confirm that the resolution was approved by the board and request the new titles in the event like you're stating in the event that I would mistakenly go to the bo to the civil service and request the same position the people that are excess are entitled to that position. position by law not they don't have to interview they don't have to do anything so for example if I go back tomorrow to civil service and I said to civil service I decide that based on my restructure that I recommend to
062the board I would need a ground keeper and a laborer they would at that point tell us who are the people who would be reired in that position number one number Two, when we go to civil service, we don't tell the people. We are we are just talking about position. But unfortunately, with one position in place, automatically people will make that connection. But it is civil service that dictates how we are moving forward. Again, the question and the statement is to Mrs. Kowalsski is that you are now just hearing about this and you guys are taking action. This is the first time that this was discussed in public prior to any action being taken and as far as I'm concerned. I I don't see how that falls in line with the sunshine. I understand. But
063you understand the the the law that in terms of executive session, the board and the superintendent have the right to discuss personnel matter in executive session. Absolutely. But this is but this is not a matter of personnel. This is a matter of restructuring the grounds crews. And and I don't know. I mean, I guess you and I will debate this, so maybe New York State school boards would know better, which is the better way to do it. Since all the meetings are publicized and taped, maybe we should ask them. But at the end of the day, you took an action and now you're discussing it with the board. I find that strange. First of all, I'm recommending No, you took an action. You sent a letter out. Let's be clear for the record. So, since
064it's recorded, let's be clear for the record. First thing is that I did not take an action. I am re I recommended a resolution that I presented to the board. Number one. Number two, the the position the people on the job, they're still on the job until June 30th. And if I made a mistake or if I recommended something that is not right or is against the law, civil service will come back to me and say, "Tatani, you're wrong. You have to reinstate X, Y, and Z to the position." And I disagree with you that I, as you know, I am allowed to discuss in executive session personnel matter and is not fair to discuss it in public. I'm not talking about a person. I'm talking about the restructuring of a grounds crew. And to
065be and to be honest, what I I think what you're explaining to us here is that you are now going to civil service after you've taken action, after you've sent letters out, after you've you've acted, not taken action. I correct myself. After you have acted, you're going to now discuss it with your board of ed. And now you're going to go to civil service to find out that what you're doing is correct and not illegal and we can't be sued for it. I don't know. Is that what I said? What I said is that the board of the board the the civil service we proposed to the CE civil service the restructure. They give us all the details. Once it's approved by the board of education, we have to go back to civil service and
066tell them that there was a resolution that was approved by the board. So why can't you table the resolution until you find out from from CSEA whether what you're doing is legal? Because my recommendation to the board tonight is to restructure the positions and I believe that that would be a more efficient system for the district. Uh and and and I will civil will civil service tell you what to do now like can you give them a where where's the civil service lawyer to ask them? Civil service will not discuss anything in a hypo hypothetical situation. Therefore any new classification position whatever title it may be civil service will not give us a decision on that until the abolishment is approved. Once it's approved Excuse me. Once it's approved, we can then submit a classification
067for a position. At that time, civil service will then turn around and say to us, either a person on a preferred eligibility list is required to hold that position. A person on a classified competitive title is supposed to hire this or you can hire from the outside based on that. We put a classification of position into civil service. They will then tell us, but they will not tell us anything hypothetical. Unfortunately, it's just the nature of how the Nassau County Civil Service works. Um, so they will not give us anything hypothetical. So, tableabling this resolution does not answer any questions. It it also moves it it as the board of education, you know, I implore you guys to stop and think about what you're doing here because I think that what's been done here on
068many reasons have been done unfairly and that you people were not notified of what was going on and that you're not discussing it in public and we have the right to know what's going on with our districts, especially when it comes to the grounds crew and and and stuff like that. I mean, it's forget that it's two and three people that this is affecting. You have top lawyers here that I know work for civil service and I know work to to protect civil service people. So, you could definitely ask them the questions, but the way I see it, this whole entire process was done backwards. And I'm not sure myself if this is telling me that this is how things are done around here. And I question it because I'm a taxpayer. So, that's all.
069I want no more response. Thank you, Miss Wonger. Um, does the board have any questions? I would just confirm in order to move ahead with the restructure the first step is the abolishment of the positions and then road and then moving or consulting silver service again to see what they would allow going forward. That is correct. The first step in the restructuring of the old the old structure is to um abolish the positions that we have uh presented tonight that I've recommended tonight and the next step is to go to civil service confirm the u resolution that passed if it passed and then at that point civil service will give us direction in if we decide to hire people in in the positions. What did the lawyer say? So let me just so when you
070go to civil service civil service I which is this is the crazy things if if you wanted to restructure you have to go to civil service abolish a position and then you have to go back to civil service. They won't tell you before you abolish the positions what what you can do but then after you abolish the position then they tell you what you can do. So there are several areas of civil service. There's a placement unit which will determine if there's a let's say a canvas list somebody in competitive title. Sorry. There's several areas of civil service that we work with. There's no one person in civil service that discusses the whole process. So, there is a um classifications unit which determines what positions are appropriate for a school district to hold and what
071class that's in, whether it's an exempt class, a competitive class, a non-competitive title or or um labor or title. They determine whether or not you can have that position, whether you can have one of those positions, five of those positions, or none of those positions. Once that gets approved, the qu the that unit then turns it over to and the placement unit. They say, "Okay, if it's a competitive title, like many of our clerical positions are, they give us a list and say, here's your certified list of eligible candidates and the scores they received, and then we have to hire that." If there's somebody in a preferred eligibility list, they will say, "This person is entitled to that position. Before you go to the outside, you must hire off the preferred eligibility list." Then there's
072another unit called uh municipal transactions, which allows us to then make a personal action at that time. If we have a person we want to put into one of those vacant positions, we submit an application which lists their qualifications. If they meet the minimum qualifications, then civil service will approve that person. So until the position on the table for tonight is abolished, the first unit will not even discuss additional placement of positions because of the size of the district and how many buildings we have. We cannot ask for another one until this one has been abolished. Then the then the recommendation of a new position for the district, whatever title that may be, can then be requested. years. They were top legal lawyers for CSA that would answer your question. This board took action to
073ask your lawyers in public at the next meeting. What we are up to? Well, first of all, I I'm hoping that you folks rely on that, but discussions between some attorney attorneys and the board before this is happening that you're allowing your your superintendent to do what is rightly your job as a board of education. Well, we we've restruct No, we've restructured the school district in a lot of different ways throughout the entire school district that Dr. Yanni's restructured. So, it's this was this is part of it and he's come up with another a recommendation here for a resolution for us to approve or not tonight. Um, Well, if we don't approve, then obviously the letter is not gonna Miss Kowalsski, if you would like me to answer you. The letter, it is very typical,
074if not common in all cases where a employee is notified of a pending action of the board, it is anticipated the board will be on the agenda. It is never a case including for I'm sorry, can you hear me? Okay. including for all new hires that are presented with an offer letter always saying it's contingent upon board approval that whether it's a new hire a change in position. So the letters that go up out say it was contingent on the board resolution. They say the recommendation will be made on a board agenda at the next board agenda and usually it has the date in there. So, it's for all HR um items, whether it's hiring, changing positions, recommending a maternity leave, um any sort of action that you see on the board, the employees notified
075before the agenda goes public. The employee has the right to understand what recommendation will be made before it's open to the public. So, it is very typical for an employee to receive that letter at least a week ahead of time of a board agenda so they understand what action the board will be taking beforehand. Okay. Any any anybody uh have any other further questions? Okay. Let's let's let's move on to then our instructional personnel items. Resolved upon the recommendation of the superintendent of schools, the board of education of the Ospace North Central School District here. I approve approve the instructional personnel items as listed in their entirety. Do I have a motion? Second. Second. Second. Any discussion? All in favor? I. All opposed. Mot motion carries. Let's move on to approval of non-instructional personnel items.
076Resolved upon the recommendation of superintendent of schools, the board of education of the Oyster Bay East Norwich Central School District hereby approves the non-instructional personnel items as listed in their entirety. Do I have a motion? So move. Second. Second. Any discussion? All in favor? I. All opposed? Motion carries. Who knows? No. Anybody else? Would you like I'd like to ask the board. Would you like this tabled for another time or no? Would you say table for another time? Is that what you said? Yeah. Table it to discuss it with the lawyers for a future vote. Because I know it was just presented tonight that you might want additional information. I said we table it. Table it. Okay. [Music] [Applause] Um, I don't know how to do that on the resolution portion of this. Can I
077have a motion to remove section 8.03? So moved. Second. Second. Okay. Okay. And then what do I do? Okay. Now I'd like to vote on 801 and the remaining items. So moved. So I have a second. Okay. All in favor? I. All opposed. Motion carries. Let's move on to approval of special services resolutions. Resolved upon the recommendation of the superintendent of schools. The board of education of the Oyster Bay Eastward Central School District hereby approves the special services resolutions as listed in their entirety. Do I have a motion? Second. Second. Any discussion? All in favor? I. All opposed. Motion carries. Let's move on to approval of new business resolutions. Resolved upon the recommendation of the superintendent of schools. The board of education of the Oyster Bay East Norwich Central School District hereby approves the new
078business resolutions as listed in their entirety. Do I have a motion? Second. Second. Any discussion? All in favor? All opposed? Motion carries. Let's move on to the opportunity for the public to be heard on non-aggenda items. Miss Longo. Thank you. I I I do want to talk about the sunshine law though. Uh I'm very concerned when I come here and board meetings are 30 minute long and I do not see things that we should be hearing and discussing in public being discussed in public. I I don't know how it's being done now, but I've got a sick inclination that it's not being done in public since I don't see anything being done in public. And you can't run a school without discussing things like reorganization in public. So I I mean I don't know how
079to move forward with it. It's it's upsetting to me and it's upsetting to the community. So I don't know, Mrs. Qualsski, if we can get your commitment for the remainder of the tenure of you and board or whoever is else is going to be the next um president of the board of education to go back to watching open sunshine meeting laws and following them because at this point I I I have to make a recommendation to go to this state and and file a complaint because I don't see it. I mean this is just full knowledge that this is not being discussed in public and I hate to do it. I think tonight it was discussed in public. I mean, tonight it was after the fact tonight as a recommendation, but no, it was not.
080He He sent a letter out three weeks ago. So, back I got to be honest with you. It It's truly fascinating how you are changing the the statements at your will. I'm not I'm not changing statements. You're doing it because when I You're doing it because a you made a statement before where you talked about the fact that the budget was presented. We are presenting more than ever before. Ever before we present you're rolling your eyes, but I'm not rolling. You know what, Dr. Yanni, you and I are going to debate who's better, who was better, you know, or previous superintendent. I can't fight mean that I'm discussing things that I should not I'm not directing this to you. I'm directing this to Mrs. Can I just say something? Can I just president of the
081board? Can I just say something? You're stating that and Miss Rainor explained in clear details the letter that was sent was a normal procedure that is done and approved by civil service. It says that in the letter. It says in the letter, it says that this is contingent upon board approval. Says a look at the letter. I I don't I haven't seen a look at the letter. That's exactly what I asked. I asked did it say that and did we see I mean we did I did not know about a letter going out. Okay, there you go. So I mean I'm just literally it's present. If you think these meetings are short, executive m meetings are very very short. No, but this is being presented. I mean this is the way it's done, right? He
082presents a resolution. We look at the agenda. We have questions. I mean, you brought up some great questions, some that we didn't think about also. We ask him the questions in public if there is, you know, an issue and he discusses it and he explains to us what's going on. I didn't understand that cse that the civil service wouldn't give you a recommend. That was new to me that you ask them that you want to restructure and then they will not tell you anything until after you abolish a position and then they tell you who you have to hire which is unbelievable to me. That's I agree with you but you have very great lawyers right and that's just heard you need to ask them and and they they fight on behalf of CSEA people.
083Well, we just heard what Dr. Yanni said about how he approached CSE which I agree. I'm baffled that that's the way that they operate and maybe it is something we should ask our lawyers like is this is this how it works. I don't know. I mean there's a lot of rules that I'm shocked at with civil service, right? So I mean that's the way it works. So he proposes a resolution. We didn't know about a letter that went out to the because it sounds like that's just performer that you folks do that whenever there's going to be a resolution on it, which I didn't realize. Well, I think that's it's personal and I don't want to discuss an employee issues. No, I know, but it's not it's not the letter that's important. Most you're not
084allowed to we we're not allowed to address things like this about employees and personnel in public. I'm sorry, but we just can't do that. Okay. I'm sure he has a copy, too, which we can take a look, but I don't want to. All I'm asking is that we move more towards open meetings and open meeting laws and that when we're discussing a reorganization, I mean, I can only imagine every single civil servant employee in this district right now and how they feel. I I I for whatever the restructure is, and you've been restructuring, and we've seen it, okay? And the loss and the changes of employees and people in this district in the last four years, it it's a revolving door. We see it. But I I'm just saying maybe we should slow down and
085discuss it more openly on what we're doing and why we're doing it efficiently and effectively. But that is that is what's happening tonight. I mean, you're absolutely right. Everyone came out. We hear you. We understand what this resolution is, what the issue is. It's surprising about what CSEA, what civil service does. Um, which I'm I mean I don't know whether you're surprised about that, but that surprises me. That's nothing surprises me with civil service. Okay. Well, I don't I don't deal in that. So, you tabled it means you tabled it and we're not moving forward with this. Well, I think we're going to have to talk to our attorneys about this whole issue about if you want to restructure a district, how do you go about it and what's the proper way to go about
086it? I mean, and what are the reasons for restructuring and what are you trying to accomplish? Well, but a a lot of, you know, there's a lot of things that may not What are you trying to accomplish is what we as we as taxpayers should know. It depends, right? No, it doesn't depend. It does. Employee employee then you fire an employee by cause. You can't just give them a letter and say, I'm restructuring. Well, it depends on where you want to place where you want to place the employees and what you want to do with them. A lot of times it's not. Okay. But again, the way you're doing it, you're opening us as a district. You can't just fire somebody saying it's restructuring when ultimately you're telling your But then it sounds civil service
087is going to not allowing that you're doing it on performance, but there was no performance reviews. No, that's not there's no performance. I didn't Why are you putting words to my mouth? I never said performance issue employee issues. So, it's not an So, so it's not an employee issue. It's restructuring. Well, it's so why is it being done? Employee issue is a broad term, right? Where you want to put the employee, where you want to put individual employee issue. If it's not an individual employee issue, you can't just say you want to fire somebody and you're going to restructure a public entity. You can't do that. That's not what Okay, I think you better we you better recheck. Thank you for opening it up and tableabling it until you talk more about it. Oh, good
088night. Thank you very much. Okay. And that's that's all we have for the non-aggenda items. Okay. Do I have a motion to um adjourn the meeting? So moved. Second. Thank you. Have a good night. Good night.