001down. Down. Heat. Heat. Hey. Hey. Hey. Heat. Heat. Mr. London, will you please read us out of closed? >> Yes, Madam Chair. I move that the Rono County School Board come out of closed session for the following. for consultation with legal counsel and briefings by staff members pertaining to actual or probable litigation and consultation with legal counsel regarding specific legal matters requiring the provision of legal advice by such council pursuant to 2.2-3711A7 2-3711A7 of the code of Virginia and to certify that to the best of each member's knowledge only public business matters lawfully exempted from open meeting requirements under this chapter and only such public business matters as were identified in the motion by which the closed meeting was convened were heard discussed or considered by the school board. >> We have a second >>
002Madame Clerk. >> Dr. White. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Mr. London. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Mr. Greenway. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Mr. Hudson. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Corman. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Item 2.03, action from close. We do not have action. Item 3.01, approve personnel changes including supplement. >> Do we have anything presented on that or we just >> No, this is just um normally uh Madam Chair, you would have this um as part of the consent agenda for the regular meeting. And so we don't of course typically have action meeting or action items for the work session. Um however uh given this time of year with hiring, we would ask you to go ahead and approve the the current personnel change which is on board docs if you're so inclined. >> All right. Do we
003have a motion to approve the personnel changes? >> So moved. Second. >> Any discussion? Madame clerk. >> Dr. White. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Mr. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Mr. Greenway. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Mr. Hudson. >> Yes, ma'am. M. >> Yes, ma'am. Item 3.02, authorization for superintendent to execute sale of the King Street Middle School parcel. Mr. Todd Kaggles. If >> I may interject first, just again explain normally during work sessions, you know, we try to avoid doing action usually post information. Um, as you know, you did authorize to sell that parcel over by Casebury Middle School. Uh when you made that motion previously, we forgot to add in the part about authorizing the superintendent to actually execute the sale, which is important to for me to go over and clo, you know, sign the
004closing documents. So, Mr. Kgles is going to ask you to allow me to do that. [laughter] >> Pretty much just said what I was going to say. >> All right. So, do we have a motion to approve authorization for the superintendent to execute the sale of the Case Ring Middle School parcel? Uh, Madam Chair, if I could just add the the additional language to also authorize him to request that the board of supervisors appropriate the proceeds of the sale to the school board for major capital projects. So, both of those things. Good point. Yeah. >> All right. Do we have a motion to approve? >> So moved. >> Second. >> Do we have any discussion? >> Madame Clerk. >> Dr. White. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Mr. London. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Mr. Greenway? >> Yes,
005ma'am. >> Mr. Yes, ma'am. >> Miss. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Item 4.01, major construction project updates. Mr. Todd Cables. >> Uh, Madam Chair, members of the board, we have Kamal Khalil and Eric Brookholder from Scans with us again to do uh updates on our three major construction projects this evening. >> We'll go over past and current activities on all the projects. And we got some photos for you. Um been a lot of progress since we last met. I think was in March, but CTE is moving along great. They're staying on schedule. Some of the stuff we've got done at the site. We've established permanent electrical and water to the facility. They finished grading the parking lots. Uh this is plan north and the curbs and the gutters and the concrete. Concrete paving is underneath the
006canopies on the whole plan north side. We've erected the monument sign and we've turned the west pond over to a permanent pond for sediment control. They're continuing outside on the site to uh set light poles. They're grading the fire lane on the south side and they're moving over burden as needed. They started with the base paving in the north park parking lot. Um last Tuesday, Monday and Tuesday night, they erected the mast arms for the traffic signals out on Peters Creek and they've started the south side of Peters Creek uh in the area D which is the most finished or where they started first there. They finished the track uh modern fold which is the wall drops down. Uh started finished startup on the HBAC units. The boiler and chiller is working fine. All the
007case works been installed. They painted underneath the steel canopies. Looks really nice. They've installed all the store fronts and the BCT and epoxy flooring is done in that area. Area A, which is the front and the vestibule. When you walk in, they finished the BCT and the epoxy flooring. They are doing the uh nice logo. They started that today. Uh started finished starting up the units, the HBAC units, and they completed the case work, the ceramic ting, the metal ceiling in the lobby, and the metal wall panels on the exterior. They still are hooking up the culinary equipment and a few more storefronts need to be installed in that area. They started the final painting and then putting up the bathroom and the accessories and fire extinguisher cabinets. Uh areas B and C, which is
008if you're familiar with it, this is the last part we're doing or we started working that way. So they finished pulling all the low voltage. They ran all the electrical home runs back to the panels. They've installed the acoustical baffles in the all the shop areas. They got the toilets and the sink installed. The BCT and the epoxy flooring is done in that area. And the painting under the can piece. They continued sealing the uh shop floors. That is done. They did the last one yesterday. It was a welding shop. Looks really good. and they're in the middle of starting up the HBAC units. Still have some uh grills, registers, and diffusers to drop for the HBAC system and ceiling to house. And they will start case work. Actually, they're pretty much done on the
009bottom floor with the case work. And they're going to start next week in the upstairs installing storefronts, ceramic tings, and toilet installations. So, here's some some photos. That is playing north. They've got the base paving down. Looks really good. And if you look real hard, this is in the back in the V. They're forming up poor concrete that has been poured. Uh, VCT towel and area C, that area was cleaned up and they put down the protective coating or the cardboard to protect your floors during construction. Uh there's some stage case work in area B and some of it's installed. Uh gas lines were installed in the the welding shop and ceramic towel work in the upstairs area B. There's some storefronts in area D. And there's example of concrete sealed in area B. That's
010the shop areas. Uh you'll see they're pouring sidewalks on the east side. The women the frames were installed in area A. The dust collectors are being installed. That's in building trades and that one is complete. And they started yesterday installing the other dust collector in the welding shop. And you can kind of see the difference in the painting of the canopies if you look at both sides of that. But you have any questions from anyone? >> Yes, sir. But it's going along nicely. Really pleased with Branch. They're pretty decent contractor. >> Pictures don't do it justice. I was over there yesterday and uh it's it's beautiful. I mean, it's it starting to look substantially complete. I mean, it it looks great. >> I'm assuming. >> Okay. So, September they turn that over. Is our intentions
011that we push we put kids in there? >> Oh, we're talking about Burton. >> Well, no. >> I mean RC CCTC. So, I think our plan was to phase it in. >> September is not what what we're planning there. That's at the elementary schools. >> Yeah, I think it should be January to the CTE center. >> We should take possession in December and start classes there in January. >> Okay. So, we've got a few more months than the elementaryaries. Okay. I didn't. >> Yes. Christian's been working with the different programs, the teachers to determine what they need to move over so that they can teach and what they can keep there to teach at Burton so they can teach until they get over there. >> Okay. >> It's hot in here. Y'all hot. [laughter] >>
012It is more challenging mid year. [cough] >> Yeah, I'm sure it is. >> Yeah. Brandon over there. >> Good afternoon everybody. >> I'll keep going with this uh uh presentation on the two schools are going really well. Uh we have no issues and no delays. And as you all know uh we're going the same phases and it's the last phases actually uh 3A the lower level and the 2B the upper level the library we started here at the at Gleno but in condo we haven't started yet we'll be starting soon we started on some of the gym areas just normal stuff uh painting tile work flooring ceiling mainly like today and last week at the conduct. They've been doing a lot of uh ceiling tile and ceiling grids um and a lot of uh drywall
013electrical work is also going on. Um a lot of overhead uh HVAC system on that school uh that's all inside framing drywall windows and they brought the the glass a couple of days ago. They started on it yesterday and today and we should be almost done with the windows. Uh outside work. Uh there's a earth work outside and some um we we seated like we put saw in the in on the ground just to get the grass going. Hopefully by next month we'll get some u as far as the retaining wall. We did some uh uh brick uh brick work and that's done. They might come back for a little bit work maybe uh cleaning it uh like a with a with a pressure washer. Um as far as uh Glinko, it's it's a little
014bit um we have like we have to wait till maybe that's the plan is to wait till uh uh May 28th when the school is out uh and come back when the kids are not here. and then they can do a better job of finishing the whole thing. Um, and that's that's what we've been talking about. And uh, as far as inside work, the the same phase is going on 3A lower level uh, the 2B upper level and the library here. What's good about it, it's it's almost halfway done. We we did some of the work. That's the difference between here and there. Uh but the same thing is going on also like HVAC systems, uh wiring devices, uh plumbing, some of the stuff that that's going on upstairs and downstairs, but they're almost like
01590% done with the upper level uh at at Gleno on the outside work, inside work, uh the switch gear, that's also the weight for the 28th. So nobody will be here. They're going to have to go shut down and switch over to the new switch gear equipment, and that will take few days. It's a lot of work. Um, also another thing outside for for this school, uh, the parking lot lights. We we we've done the trenching, we've done the piping, we've done the the wiring, but, uh, we still haven't done the installation of the actual poles, and that should be done pretty soon. Um, that's the retaining wall. Uh they did like they they took some of it out to line it up with the the existing wall on the right hand side. That's the
016earth work that they did. Uh when I took this picture, they didn't do the sawing yet. Uh that's some of the the inside work uh at both schools actually, but this is for uh um comdev. Yeah, you could tell that the cabinets installed, the flooring installed, and the work is being done on the ceiling as far as the the panels on on both. So, they they're the same thing. I I put them for that reason to show progress. And those windows, they show uh wood, but now they have glass. That's the plenum area. U I mean, it's it's much cleaner now. That's I I put one before and after and and still it it looks a lot cleaner than than before. Uh and also I put for the ramp ramp and railing before and after
017to show you because we're using the ramp to get kids around it. That's the gym area that we still need to do some work on it. And the parking lot uh uh lights. And now everything is done as far as trenching, as far as piping, as far as wiring, but we need to get the poles and get it uh light up. That's the library work. Uh it's an inclined roof. Uh and that's where like like I said, we have a little bit ahead on this school uh than the condo. >> Yeah. And that's uh so you have natural light coming into the libraries now, or you will at both schools. And these walls and doors, remember, weren't even here. The the libraries were just completely open spaces at the time. So, this is like really
018really nice progress here. >> Any questions? >> Looks great. >> The um the plan is for uh that to for all the teachers to be in their forever homes uh by the end of the summer. So even though construction won't be uh totally complete by then, all the classrooms will be done and all the teachers will be moved into the spots that they're that they're staying. So uh at that point it'll just be punch list and some common area uh finished work to do. So uh by the end of the summer, you know, the school should be substantially completed. >> Will the teachers have some help moving? Uh yeah, they're they're we actually uh hired some high school kids um for summer help and one of the things they're going to be doing is uh
019uh down here at W. Kundiff, a lot of the teachers are already in their final spots. There's only a few that have to move down here at Glen Cove. Uh I think Brian said most of them have to move. So we've hired a bunch of kids. They typically help out on the grounds, but one of the things they're going to be doing is moving furniture and personal belongings and all that for the teachers over the summer. Good. >> So, yes, it's the >> one of the rooms. Actually, if you see this uh in this school right here, we moved everything in it and the curtains were not done yet. So, we put the curtains on the ground to show that you this is going to be coming up next. >> Any questions? >> Okay. Thank
020you, guys. >> Thank you, gentlemen. >> Thank you. Item 4.02, minor capital and maintenance project updates. Mr. Todd Cables. >> Uh, Madam Chair, me, members of the board, just have uh some updates on some projects that we've done through maintenance and through minor capital over the uh last uh few months. The first one is out at Hidden Valley Middle. You've seen pictures of this one before. Uh remember, this has been a phased project. It's been going on uh pretty much all year because we can only work during the breaks. So, we work during Christmas break. We worked during spring break. Uh started a little bit last summer and then the last phase of this project should take place uh this summer. Uh just remember what they're doing is they're replacing uh all of the corridor
021lighting and all of the ceiling tiles there. Uh they had an old one by one style ceiling tile that you can't even get anymore, so it couldn't be repaired. Uh it looked terrible. The lighting was in poor condition, but uh the last phase of this project should take place over the summer and we should uh we should be finishing up there. Uh out at Caves Spring High School, this was a minor capital project or sorry, this one is um one ahead of myself there. Uh we had a request to repair the scoring stand out at the track. The guys got out there and it was beyond repair, so they they built a new one. Uh the school actually paid for the materials for this, but our carpenters did all of the work. They did uh
022a fantastic job on that. It's already in use. It's actually these pictures are a few days old. They've um put vinyl on the end and metal roofing on it now and it's just about just about completed. Uh they were out there working on it today. So hopefully they're they're finishing that up. Uh at Glenbury Elementary School, uh remember we're adding staff restrooms in there. That's also a minor capital project. It's approved months ago, but we couldn't start construction until this summer. Uh we actually are contracting that out now. We've already uh got materials uh on the way for that and should be ready to go right at the start of summer and the goal is to have that finished by the end of the summer. Uh out at Kpring High School, another minor capital project
023to renovate the snack bar out there, which I had the before picture so you could see the difference. The guys uh put in all stainless steel uh countertops, new cabinets. Uh those windows, remember, are moved up about a foot from the old ones that were way too low to sort of be serviceable. Uh on a stainless garage doors there, um bunch of other equipment. Uh just some progress photos. New popcorn machine. Can't have a can't have a snack bar without a popcorn machine. Uh hot water dispensers. Um pizza warmers, those tall warming cabinets. Everything is just about done here. The only thing uh left to do is that um once we completed it, we we couldn't get the floor into the condition that we would have liked for it to have been in. So, we're
024replacing the flooring. Uh that'll happen on Monday and Tuesday of next week. And then hopefully by next weekend, we'll be ready to turn it turn it over to the school. Uh out at Northside High School. Remember, we're relocating the Center for Visual Arts from the current BCAT location to two classrooms out at North Side. So, we renovated those uh classrooms. They look amazing. Uh give a shout out to SSC who refinished those floors uh for us uh completely. And then you have new cabinets, countertops, new sinks, and plumbing. This this particular room didn't even have plumbing in it before it start. We've got uh new furniture already in sight. The um chairs right here actually have to be replaced because they sent the ones without the backs and these chairs were supposed to have backs.
025So, they were Today is the 7th. They were supposed to be over there taking care of that today. It's one of the rooms and that's >> start there in the fall or with that being ready. >> Uh I believe that's the plan. Yes. [snorts] >> Yep. And that's the other the other classroom there. So, uh again, I wish I had before pictures so you could you could see the difference. But this is really amazing. All the cabinetry is new, the sinks and countertops, all of that stuff, the flat files, uh everything everything's new. Uh, and they were really excited about the Sarah Cubberly is our art supervisor, and she took pictures of the sinks once we got the water on because they were really excited about the water going on. So, I I told her
026I'd put that in there. Uh, out at Hidden Valley High School, we are uh finished with the artificial turf. They're already uh playing games there. The only thing uh that's not done, obviously, we have to get grass growing around the uh perimeter, but that's, you know, dependent on it was seated and straw. It just depended upon mother nature to give us some water now and uh get things going. There will be uh a 15 foot wide concrete walkway starting at this building going all the way down in front of the uh bleachers and then out to the gate and extending over to the curb uh at the field. So you'll have a uh a concrete path to be able to get onto the field without going into the dirt and all the way uh down
027to the building. We just had to stop because the school wanted to go ahead and start using the field. So, we held off on that. That's already under contract and that'll be started uh probably second week of June once we're sure that their soccer teams are uh done with playoffs. But, they're playing lacrosse. I happen to be there along with Miss Peterson for a lacrosse game. Uh took that photo there one evening they were playing and um you can see the kids are already already getting good use out of that field. Uh and my last update is the softball field over at uh William Middle School. Uh also a minor capital project. Uh the plans have gone to Ron Oak County and had their first round of reviews. Uh they had some comments. They were
028sent back to us or sent back to our engineers. Those comments are being addressed and then they'll go for another round of review. So we would anticipate uh final approval of those hopefully in the next week or two and then we'll be ready to start construction. We've already started getting bids on all the different components, the fencing, the irrigation, the drainage, uh, and the grading work, and we're hopeful, uh, to be able to get started on that here in in just a few weeks when when school is out. Uh, one thing to note here that's really nice, we're doing, um, subsurface drainage on this field. So, there's a couple of things with playability of athletic fields. One is that you have water on them to grow the grass and irrigation system, which this will have.
029And the other is that you have some sort of drainage in place so that water doesn't sit there on the surface. Uh then you go out and play on it and you you know you damage the turf every time you do that. So this one will have a full set of uh that's what what this represents over here. It'll have a full set of subsurface drainage on it uh to get the water off of it quickly. Nice irrigation system that ought to be it ought to be really nice when it's all done. That's all I have for projects. Any questions? Item 4.03, minor capital request, elementary school window numbering. Mr. Todd Kaggles. >> Uh, Madam Chair, members of the board, if you will recall, we started doing um exterior room numbers. These are just some
030photos of the current ones. These are at uh this one's out actually at North Side Middle and this over here on the right at Hidden Valley High School. That was at the request of the police department. They use that in critical incidents so that if they're outside the building, they can and they're looking in uh through the windows, they can tell which room they're looking into. Um so we finished all of the high schools and all of the middle schools and now it's time to do all of the elementary schools. Uh so staff is recommending that the board uh approves $15,000 from minor capital to complete all of the exterior room numbers on uh the elementary schools. And if there's consensus to do that, we'd ask that this be placed on the consent agenda for
031the next meeting. >> Is everyone good? >> Makes sense. >> Perfect. We can do that. >> Thank you, man. Thanks for all your work, John. >> Yes, sir. >> Yeah. I'm so happy with the way the concession stand looks. >> It's really nice. >> Yeah. >> So much better than what it was. >> Yeah. I can't wait for you guys to be able to actually get out there and use it. >> I know. I feel like everything you guys your guys touch turns out awesome. Like all the projects that you've done across the county are wonderful. >> Well, I appreciate that. >> Express that to your guys because I know we don't generally run into them very often. So, make sure they understand. We really appreciate them. They do a excellent job. >> I definitely
032will. We put a lot of focus on making sure we do good quality stuff. So, appreciate that. >> Thank you. >> Item 4.04, recommended policy updates. Dr. Jamie Sulttus. Madame chair, members of the board, I know how much you guys enjoy this. So, I made a big blown up packet for you that has all the policies that are listed in board docs. Uh, the first page is all policies that just have to be reviewed by code. All policies have to be reviewed every five years. There are certain policies that have to be reviewed more frequent than that, like annually or by annually. So, nobody has any questions. The first page, like I said, was just all policies that were were up for review. The next set of pages is um are changes that came about
033due to the changes from u the last general assembly session. The BSBA is also updating their policy manual. I think they're on their third person since what was her name retired? >> Elizabeth Huing retired. So different lawyers, different language, basically saying the same thing. So the first one, uh, she just updated it for clarity and state statute uh, statutory exemption. So it added the sentence and you guys can read. I'm not going to read it all to you, but will result in the office being considered vacant. if you don't take your oath of office in time. However, if a school board attends the first meeting without having taken the oath, that alone will not create a vacancy, provided the member takes the prescribed oath within 30 days after the first meeting. The next one is
034one that does have to be updated annually, and that's where you guys approve for somebody to participate remotely. And [clears throat] with this one, she just clarified it to to make it align with the actual code of Virginia. And if you look at the bottom, it says individual participation from a remote location will be approved that in the actual policy. I mistyped that. It should say by the chair. So in other words, Miss Clemens could approve uh Mr. Hudson to um participate remotely unless it violates the Freedom of Information Act or if it's challenged by another one of of you guys. So you don't have to vote every time like we used to. Um teacher removal of students from class. They just added a new statement that teacher deficiencies in classroom management shall be addressed
035in teacher evaluations. So teachers do have by policy the ability to remove kids from class. However, it's a problem for every kid getting removed from class. Sometimes we have to look at the why. Uh electronic part room partitions is a new policy. That policy u wasn't relative to us until we b we built the uh the CTE center because now we do have electronic room partitions where they can divide the room in half. uh volunteers just added to the bottom of the policy that uh access to schools property by certain uh registered sex offenders is prohibited by Virginia law except as permitted uh by court order or statute. So if you're a register registered sex offender, it just says you have to refer to policy 3.12 to see if you're allowed on ground. School visitors
036basically just rewarded some of it for clarity. [laughter] It included things like school buses and school sponsored events. So it was in more inclusive with school visitors. Um and basically just out outlining the fact of 3.12 actually had a policy name change um to be instead of it saying notification at the end it says information audio recordings of meetings. Uh Dr. McClung actually worked with this one. Uh when Chuck was going around making some videos for use for our division, had some teachers question whether or not he had the authority to be recording them because it went wasn't stated specifically in the uh audio recording, which really shouldn't even say audio, it's recordings of meetings. Uh so we decided to put in the line item with permission from the superintendent or designate. A recording may
037be made of any meeting, professional development or staff activity that is school related provided the recording is used only for the purpose of author or only for the purpose authorized by the superintendent or designate. And what they were Chuck, you can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe you were recording some of the senior defense work where they where they were looking at the different rubrics and making sure that the kids had either met the criteria or had not. Payroll procedures 4.29, 29. That's an admin rag. So, this is just for information. Uh, Mr. Bradshaw, if he wants to to speak on it, he can. But basically, the main gist is instead of it saying Friday, it says next business day. Is that the main point? Just because it's not always a Friday. Um,
0385.0 5.50 AR. Once again, this is uh Jim tweaking our PTO policies and making sure that they're all aligned with the correct wording, but vacation to be credited like PTO. Half the vacation days will be given at the beginning of the year and half at at the on the first pay date July 15th. Remaining vacation days will be given the first day of the second semester on January 13th. Also, this isn't in here, but I want to give kudos for Jim's idea about employees having to decide how much they were going to cash in. As if you guys remember in the budget season last year, it was like we weren't sure what we were going to be dealing with. So, that allowed us to plan much better. Thank you. Um, evaluation of professional staff, that's
039really nothing other than adding that the evaluation is now maintained in GHR and added the word public to run county public schools. the support staff because I just summarized it as policy was updated due to code of Virginia additions and updates. I actually printed off the changes for you guys and you can see the underlines are the new things. It's on the I printed off that policy for you because it was so much new to align with code. So, I'll let you guys look at that and if you have any questions before the next meeting, you can let me know. Everything's in board docs. Um, also salary increments and additional course credits. Uh, Jim added the legal section and added the statement, "The Ronut County Public School Board establishes and approves salaries for all current
040and school employees." 5.10.01. That policy is now deleted because the VSBA and Reno County both decided that it's covered now in 5.02 support staff, which is the one I printed off for you. So, we no longer needed two policies because we combined them into one. Um, staff weapons in school. Um, basically there used to be a statement that said the super with without authorization of the superintendent or superintendent's design. Kind of read like Ken could authorize me to carry a weapon, which I really liked, but uh he really never did that. But that's actually not what's in code. He's he's not allowed to unless it's an officer uh who's allowed to. And then it says the superintendent shall report any incidents in the annual report of such incidents. So you have to report to the
041state if somebody a staff member had a weapon on school grounds. Um 5.12 PTO sick leave and guaranteed income regulations. You just updated the correct me if I'm wrong Jim. You updated the retirement option to clarify the leave payout process and the requirement for how to go through it. And then basically all regular absences are assessed on the 15th of each month following the absence. >> We're just confusing when they were processed. >> Gotcha. >> I just want to clarify. >> Gotcha. 5.20 I also printed off for you because there were so many changes. That's the family medical leave policy. This would be good reading for you. Uh it's got quite a few pages, but basically the policy was so outdated based on the legal changes. the strike through underline version. Basically, we struck through
042the whole old policy and the new policy is on the front and it's and it's underlined. And I really also printed these because you guys may get questions about some of these policies, but it basically outlines when you're eligible for leave, qualifying, uh family medical leave, medical reasons, uh intermittent or reduced scheduled leave for instructional employees, when you return to work, outside employment, any of those things. And Jim, if I'm not mistaken, have they passed the new stuff with the FMLA with the people who were able to take there was some legislation out there. >> 28 2028 is when that >> 2028 >> that's not in there because, >> right? So, we'll have to fix that. >> We will again. >> Okay. >> Sounds great. Uh, next one is service requirement. I didn't know I
043didn't know this. Was this a change or is this new? Basically, all eligible employees must be members of the VRS. >> That's to clarify. Also, you only got a lot of questions. >> Okay. Employee retirement benefits are governed by the rules and regulations established by the VRS. >> So, we you guys are getting a lot of calls. So, you added that. >> Just trying to make clarify. So, >> Gotcha. 5.37. He basically just updated the the wording in the last paragraph. Doesn't say anything different. It just made it more clear. employee change in an assignment was also I printed it for you. Uh and basically what this did is it clarified uh if there's a de decrease in enrollment, the abolition of particular subjects or a decrease in the school board's budget as approved by
044the appropriating body which would be board of supervisors, a consolidation of schools, the phasing out of programs, department or grade levels and other conditions may cause a reduction in the number of staff needed in the building program or department in the entire school division. And then he goes into the the riff, how how it would happen if we ever had to do that. And we pray we don't ever have to do that. Last time I remember something like that was like 08 or 07 when it crashed. Um, all right. Extended work plan. Basically, there's a new process and they removed the need to submit a letter to the HR department. The new process is to submit the resignation retirement notification in Laserfish indicating they wish to participate in the plan. Clarify what we're doing. >>
045Right. And I will say I've been gotten some of those notifications and I've actually called Jim and said I don't think this person needed to do it and he was like no they're actually leaving. So, um, staff participation in political activities, we added in instead of just on school division property to include school email, division resources, communication systems, or physical property. Um, and I printed that. Uh, the next one, selection, adoption, and purchase of instructional resources. This is from Mike and Kim's area. And basically there was so much change in that policy as well that it was just easier to redo it. Correct Mike? So it's now basically we have to follow the Virginia procurement act and we have to uh purchase resources that are for the most part approved by the state unless it's
046a supplemental resource. So we don't get a lot of options especially like the science of reading. I think you guys are limited to very few choices. Is this something we could do if we have questions? >> Yes, sir. Yeah, if any of you guys have questions before the next board meeting, give me a comment. >> Okay. >> And then the last one, parental rights. Uh oh, I'm sorry, not there yet. Suicide prevention, minor changes, but there were several changes. It's usually just uh changing for language for updated language for easier readability and adding in the new legal cross references. Insurance management. Susan updated this uh to increase the insurance limits to minimize the cost of insurance. So basically by raising how much we would have to pay. Correct, Susan? >> Correct. >> We're able to
047pay cheaper insurance and hope nothing happens. Student wellness, uh basically it's update to the nutrition standards. Yeah, I'm sure you guys are aware now the food pyramid we were all taught was wrong according to the new guidelines. So um that's all been changed. the parental rights policy I printed for you guys and basically just put the exact language from the BSBA uh in the policy to uh under the custodial parent has the responsibility to and also basically when they can look at their records how furpa you know at one point school divisions were charging for student records and you can't charge for a student record because it is actually under FURPA and FOYA I mean FOYA not Furpa so So that was that. And then the last one is a new policy that is required
048by code. Now we have to identify a uh and these are the things that are these are these unfunded mandates. A digital accessibility coordinator which will be somebody who can bridge the gap. We're not going to hire anybody. We're going to work it out. bridge the gap between technology and special education to make sure that all of our digital things are meeting the accessibility requirements under IDEIDA and under what is that new thing we have >> uh WCAG >> WCAG used to be like we didn't have to make anything eligible that was on our I mean accessible that was on the hidden private side but now you do as well >> I was wondering about that WCAG policy >> I was wondering if you weren't That's the law. We were hoping it would go away.
049Um, and then the last thing I'll mention because the the very last page is all just minor grammatical changes, but the very last one, student advisory council bylaws. It's an admin rag, but just to let you know that um, all but one of the kids voted that there should be an attendance policy to be on the student advisory council. And I think that's because they're having some chronic kids or kids that are chronically not showing up for it, which makes them not really effective on the campus. >> I would also say if that's the case that they have some assign brought alternates that would step up if that happens. >> I think that's a good idea. >> I hate to see a you know >> a spot go away. We wouldn't let that happen. But
050>> no, that's the point. Somebody else needs to take their place to attend if they're not. So yeah, >> and I know that was quick, but I know you guys also don't want me to sit here and read all the policy changes. So like Mr. Greenway said, if you guys can take a little bit of time and look over them if you have any questions on any of them, I'd be happy to present that policy again at the the actual meeting before you adopt. >> Thank you guys very much. >> Thank you. >> And we'll have another batch next. There's going to be a bigger batch coming and that's because the VSBA is still working out the ones that are the governor has signed in the the law. So I say bigger. We'll pray it's
051not >> item 4.05 review of current RCPS capital improvement plan. Dr. Ken Nicely. [clears throat] >> All right. So, uh, board members, you have several documents, uh, in front of you. You've got the full slides in case you want to take notes. You have, uh, two written reports u, and you also have the summary, uh, current CIP showing, um, anticipated costs. So the purpose of uh this presentation is really just to start a conversation just to kind of go back through uh to remind everyone why we are you know where where we are and and and how we that all came about. Um and so that you can start a discussion about you know possible next steps and things to consider you know as you move forward with the CIP in terms of any potential
052you needed changes because u you know as you know back in 2019 is when the current CIP was developed um and um you know that's been a few years ago so you know conditions could have changed uh and so forth so um back in in in 2019 basically uh you know there was a CIP in place. Um, and uh, the school board at the time came to me and said, "We would like for you to uh, make some recommendations around what the CIP should look like in terms of the order of priorities, but we really want you to look at this from an instructional standpoint. So, that was the impetus of the work that we did in 2019. Um, and so what I want to do this afternoon is just uh briefly kind of go
053back through what we reported to the board in 2019 and why what that process was like and again so that you can start a conversation about um you know potentially uh you know things need to be looked at uh with any changes. So the two documents that you have um one is called 2019 school renovation priorities assessment report. This is literally the report that we developed and gave to the board. So, uh, much of what I'm going to explain out loud is in writing right here. So, if you want to go back and and and read through, uh, some of the history, it's in writing. Um, the second document is called the critical need to develop and maintain modern K12 school facilities. Um, and included in that report is also discussion about um, wayird high
054school in particular. And the reason uh that document uh was developed was because when we made the recommendation that way high school should be the number one uh priority um with the new CIP that we recommended you adopt in 2019. There were some questions around that because there were some misconceptions and misunderstandings in the community that hey William High School had already been renovated and and and so this document explains why that wasn't the case. There were certainly some additions that were done. There were some renovations uh but you know that was the last high school that had not been you know completely renovated um you know in in in Reno County. Of course uh Hen Valley High School being a brand new uh school that was opened in in in 2002. U so the
055purpose of that document is to sort of explain why this is important. Why should we be caring about the condition of our school facilities? Um and and particularly addressing the way high school question. Okay. Okay, so those those you just kind of lay aside, read at your uh leisure to sort of go back and review much of what I'm going to explain out loud. So going through the slides, uh basically want to cover uh three different topics. Um how was the 2019 CIP developed? What's the status currently of that CIP? And then thirdly, and for your discussion, what information is needed uh for future planning. So first u you know, how it was developed. So these this series of slides right here are are are literally the slides that um that we presented to you
056in 2019. So every time it says assessment report July 2019, that's there because this is literally what we reported to you at the time. So again, some background information that we gave you uh about why looking at facilities is important. Uh we're talked about the the research that exists. This is some there's actually a line of research including some research out of Virginia Tech with Dr. Earthman up there uh linking and make and drawing a correlation between condition of facilities and student achievement. Does it make a difference? And the answer to that is yes. There is some some some research that would suggest that it is important in terms of student outcomes, right? Uh students, you know, student attendance um in addition to academic um uh uh you know, achievement uh outcomes. Um CIP of
057course um is basically a projection of needs over you know a period of time. uh does not include everything but it is a projection in terms of what the bonding uh borrowing formula looks like and then you know what is a projected timeline about you know to to to to say you know when can these things get be be completed. So again as already stated the board uh did request that we do this uh study from a teaching and learning or instructional uh point of view. So back in 2019 we had a lot of information to go on. There have been quite a few studies that have been done over those previous years, including the whole uh blue ribbon uh committee report that was done. That was the uh the report that led to the
058the the idea that instead of building one new, you know, Kring High School uh that it actually should be split and have two smaller high schools. And so out of that blue ribbon committee was the the birth of uh Hidden Valley High School, of course, which opened in in 2002. Uh there were other phases of that. There were some staff recommendations. 2016 this OWPR study that was uh the company that was a that was a third party vendor that was hired to do a comprehensive review of a lot of the infrastructure of of several of the facilities. And so we went back and looked at that and based our recommendations on that and of course based on the the previous um uh CIP. Uh some things that we looked at at the time, this was
059true at the time in terms of things we knew. Uh for example, Burlington Elementary uh was still being studied because uh there had been some some renovations there. There have been an addition put on uh but you know a lot of that school is is still reflects the 1930s uh version of that school which are are great buildings. you know, we have several uh schools that were built during that era which have served us well. Um but you know, some of some of that school um truly uh dates back um you know, decades. Uh we talked about the time that the need that uh you know Bird High School um contrary to popular belief you still had some huge issues that had not been addressed including the science labs. Uh Glenn Elementary School we drew
060some attention to just because there had been some renovations up there. Um Glenn Elementary as well as Penn Forest were two schools that also had some of that open concept classroom style. Glenn was a little different. It's more like um kind of like East Salem over here really where I went to kindergarten where you had you had to walk through classrooms to get to other classrooms, but they were not they were not open pods, you know, like Glen Cove and Condiff were, but uh there were still still still some things that we were looking at. Uh and of course at that time um the Kring High School uh renovation was um in process. So, um, so we looked at those reports. The green box there just kind of lists what the CIP listed at that
061time, um, in terms of priorities. And so, uh, Bird High School, Hidden Valley Middle, Burlington, Glenn, Conduct, Glen Cove were all on the list. Uh, notably absent, you at that time, you know, was Burton, for example, was never even on the the previous CIP as a an identified need. U, also notably, I think North Side Middle School, which we uh, came back and said, "Hey, there should be priorities." uh we reported you know what are the uh the the the schools that were built before 73 that still had some major needs and so u those schools are are listed there. So th those became a lot of the focus of the um of the study. Um and it was really a comprehensive look again based on those previous reports done by outside um vendors the
062OWPR group especially. Uh we were looking at classroom sizes there's a lot of variability there comparing that to what state code you know calls for um you know versus what the what the actual uh situation is. the location of classrooms, numbers, all the infrastructure, uh size of cafeteria, size of gyms, administrative space, uh some of the special specialty spaces in the in the schools. Those were all considered um in our in our in our study. Um so we we used all those reports. We did some on-site visits. Um um this is a a a collective committee that we put together uh to sort of do a kind of a qualitative research process where we kind of code things and say okay these are things that uh kind of rise to the top in terms of
063what's the what the needs are try to quantify that in some uh in in some fashion uh I still have a spreadsheet in fact where we kind of quantified try to rank these things so uh we really tried to use a very methodical approach to identify these needs uh just to kind of highlight some of the things that we highlighted at the time. So, just as a reminder, Burlington Elementary, those parts in red are actually some of the the original spaces and areas of concern. Uh that wing over to the left, the kindergarten wing ring, that's a that's a relatively uh newer construction. So, we highlighted that, but um that you know the gymnasium back in the back, if you've ever been there, you know, you have to actually go downstairs to to get to
064the gym. Um so, that was sort of noted. um Burton Center of course um you know we've uh obviously you know crossed that bridge and uh are on to better things but we did um bring that to the board detention and said it really just does need to be completely replaced. Um, Kundiff Elementary, uh, just like Glen Cove, we highlighted, of course, the the open classrooms. Um, uh, Glenn Elementary, uh, those those red boxes kind of highlight some of the classrooms where you have to go through one class to get to another. Uh, but they were, but again, they're not open classes like, um, Kundiff and and, uh, and Glen Cove, you know, were. U, Hidden Valley Middle School, of course, was on the list. And so, we we we listed all of the the
065the concerns and issues, uh, you know, at that building. Uh that building of course was built in 72, you know, and there's all those those brick interiors. I mean, for for you know, several decades that was sort of a state-of-the-art school. In fact, a lot of district events were held over there. Uh but, you know, over time, of course, um uh you know, the wear and tear has definitely been there. North Side Middle School, um shockingly was not previously on the list. Um but we did take a look at that and noted uh several of the deficits there uh including uh classroom sizes that the windows the size of the cafeteria. The cafeteria if you if you recall it's up on that second floor and it's a pretty you know small cafeteria uh you know
066relative to um the size of the school. Um again some people think hey there's been some renovations. the whole, you know, Pope gym and some of those classrooms over there that you see on the left, of course, that's new construction, but, you know, none of the the core of the building, uh, were, you know, were part, you know, was part of that, um, those those additions that were put on. Uh, some other notes about Durai Middle School, Penforest Elementary, like I noted, was originally one of those open concept classrooms, but at some point, I don't have the year on here, uh, a lot of that was mitigated. And so there were, you know, walls put up to try to mitigate the open concept. Um but um you know still again that was built in 71.
067So about the same time as uh Hen Valley Middle School. Bird High School of course uh was front and center um based on all the things that we we've highlighted there and again fully explained in the report. Um so um out of that study okay this was the order of uh that was recommended to uh to you know for you to adopt as a CIP. So again, Bird High School was the the first priority to be the last high school to be fully renovated. Uh Kundiff and Glen Cove because of the open concepts. Burton Center again was added to the CIP for the very first time. Uh we did note that uh you know that was going to be a a complete rebuild needed to be probably look at you know a relocation and all
068those factors. uh you know looking back kind of hard to put yourself in through that lens but I mean there were a lot of unknowns about how we were going to accomplish that right um and what that was going to look like at the you know the scope of it and so forth but um that that's where we were back in 2019. North Side Middle School occupied that fifth um spot again that was new to the CIP for all the things all the reasons that were identified and listed there. Um Glenn Elementary was put on there because of the the classrooms. Hidden Valley Middle School was was still on there. Burlington added for those same reasons where there's a little note there. Those were should you could be smaller renovations because those could be combined.
069We just kind of made that note at the time and then pen forest of course was um uh was still listed there. So that's um that was sort of the rationale for why this this list was developed um and what you adopted as a board back in in 2019. Um there's a lot of data that you know to back up all of that. And so if you want to dig deeper and and and to really identify specific areas of need and what it would cost to to do all that that you know all that data is there uh you know square footage information when they were built um new construction versus renovation you know estimates these are all the things that we we came up with um you know at the time >> I think
070it's important to last what we had on here for Hidden Valley Middle was 29 million today's sheet has 64 million. Yeah, we're going to get to those revisions, but yes, >> North Side Middle was 26 and 43 now, >> right? Yeah. So, what was what was estimated at the time is um you know, different than uh you know, what we what we know now. So, uh which is part of the you know, rationale for having the conversation. One of the things that we did uh introduced to the board at the time were these alternative construction management um approaches. So, you know, prior to the Wayenberg High School renovation, we'd always had done a a traditional uh design bid build approach. And of course, if you those of us who live through that Kpring High School
071piece remember how difficult that was because, you know, the architects had sort of um you know, designed something that was not within the budget. We learned so we had to do a lot of work to try to uh to mitigate that to to get that to budget. Uh so for Bird High School we did a different approach and that was the design build approach very similar to what we've done now with um RCCTC and the two elementary schools and that is um uh having teams of architects and and general contractors team up to um to basically you know complete the make a proposal and then complete the project. that really result has resulted we have found in a lot a lot fewer you know change orders and so forth because they're working together as a
072team versus architects and and GC's you know working independently. So uh just as a reminder that was all new to us back in 2019 when we first uh did that. Um and so um that kind of leads us to where we stand as far as the 2019 um CIP goes. So you very pleased to say um of course Kpring um High School was still um that that renovation was still you know underway uh when we presented this and so that of course has been done and completed that was started in 2018 so just a year before. Uh so that project was completed. Uh Bird High School was completed back in in 2024. just two years ago and then of course well underway um and um uh you're looking for uh the next six to nine
073months to have those other projects um uh you know completed. So lot to be proud of I think as a board as a as a school district in terms of the accomplishments. Uh so then we have those remaining uh schools on the list and um you know some questions are uh you know are are the the factors still the same as Mr. Green was pointing out of cost change. Is that going to affect um you know decision- making moving forward? Uh do we need to look at enrollment patterns? There have been some demographic studies, you know, done since then. Do we need to look at some redistricting, some balancing of schools to try to uh you know to increase efficiencies. Um we don't know what's going to happen as far as the debt um formula.
074We've heard some um some discussions about that from board of supervisors. Uh and of course also since then we've introduced this idea of hey do we need to maybe utilize uh for example the the current BCAT space for this public day school idea. So that of course is included um you know on your CI CIP. This is all kind of theory at this point uh because we don't know, you know, when we can start new things. Um uh but u again we wanted to present this today for to start that conversation um about what what is it you want staff to start to look at and what information do you want them to gather uh to better inform you as a board uh moving forward in terms of any possible changes? Uh for example, you
075know, any changes in infrastructure condition and I know we've had a lot of discussions with Mr. Kaggels about just some ongoing concerns at Burlington, for example, just using that as an example. Um, and so that might be something you want to to look at to dig deeper in to say, hey, is that something that needs to be done ahead of some of the things other ones that were listed there. So, um, I'll stop there because my job is just to really kind of go down a trip, take a trip down memory lane and let you know why we are where we are. But, um, really this is a discussion for moving forward um, in terms of things you're wondering about, things you want staff to consider. Uh so really Dr. Sulttus and Mr. Gaggles can
076um take it away. Miss Peterson of course has the updated CIP buds. Is there anything you wanted to add about that and to to Mr. Greenway's point? >> Um well what we've done over the years is we've updated the the the manner of coming down to the cost has changed and just the cost per square foot itself. So, back when we first began this, uh, we take the square footage of each of the buildings and we assign how much is going to be renovation, how much is going to be construction, and we have a cost per square foot. So, we just do the math to come up with with what the cost is. We have a a soft cost that gets added on as well. And so, when you come all the way across, you
077come up with a total. What we did this year because we have seen such an inflation in the costs, we built in a factor for inflation that we hadn't had in there before. The factor is based off of a tiered approach. And so the first three years we um applied a three and a half% inflation and then years four to six we applied a 4% inflation and then years seven and beyond we applied a 5% inflation for that year on each project. um just to try and gather because when we're talking about what the one project is year 2040 so that's that's so far off in the future you know we have no idea where the the construction costs are going to go. Um gosh with with fuel prices right now we're not even sure
078what our fuel prices are going to be in a month. Um and so all of that plays into the factor. So if you if you wanted to get into the minutia of all of that, I can provide the details. I just wasn't sure if you really wanted to to have all that all at one sitting. >> I was add one thing. The purpose of today is not for you to make any decisions today or anything like that. It's really just to introduce the topic to you and um you know start start the discussion and over time uh you know ask that for what what other information you think you need to have. Well, I got I something I'd like to add. So, you know, we were talking about doing something with alternative school and possibly
079remodeling Burton. And then we look at the cost of that being like $15 million, something like that. Well, then we look around the corner and the building was sold to the state police over here that's practically a brand new building for $15 million. So, I think before we start dumping millions and millions of dollars into old construction, we probably should be opening our eyes a little bit looking for available buildings and infrastructure that's already there that could save us a ton of money. I understand that like a lot of our schools are specifically built, so it probably wouldn't make a lot of sense to do it that way, right? But like when we're taking something new on me personally as it stands now, I look at Burton and $15 million and we still have an
080older building in a flood plane versus being able to spend $15 million and have a building like that. I wish we could have jumped on that when that opportunity arose, but I think that's something we need to look at. And I don't and this may sound crazy too, but even renting something, I don't know, you know, but we can't keep going down the just throwing millions and millions of dollars at all these buildings. It's just not sustainable. Obviously, with the board of supervisors and the possibility of this agreement being broken. Um, we need to look at alternative methods of taking care [snorts] of what we need and maybe not take till 2040 to be able to do it, right? I mean, because I think that's our goal. None of us are going to be in
081this room in 2004. [laughter] >> You plan on working that long? >> That's always been our goal. And to your point, they've already broken the agreement. >> They have. >> So, you know, that's that's out the door. But I think you hit on a a great, you know, if they knew they were going to take an industrial site or or a business site and sell it for 15 million, that would have been a wonderful thing to have said. You know, we're not going to waste that. So, you're going to repurpose it for the state police, which is a wonderful thing. Certainly not going to generate revenue like that site was supposed to have done. But if they're going to do something like that, to your point, that would have been a good idea to to
082repurpose that if we could have and and saved millions of dollars to do that. I I guess I guess they never thought of that for us. But I think the bigger point before you get too much into the discussion is Brent's already touched on. I don't know if it makes sense to have Shelley write a formal letter and ask them because they know what they're going to do now. They may not us and they may not want to continue. I mean, they've told us in private, but they don't want to tell us in public that they want to shut schools down. Um, but it may be something that we send them a request to say, look, you obviously broke the revenue sharing agreement. You've let us know that you're going to do that in the
083future. What, you know, what does that mean for CIP? They've talked about taking a year off. They don't have the needs that we have. So, that's easy to do. But for us and the and the need and and back to uh uh Brent's point, uh same thing that Don Butzer brought up six or eight years ago was how you going to get these schools? How you going to rent them? How you going to stay relevant with these schools in an era of uh 20 year not, you know, being down the road 20 years and we're talking about we might get one or two of these done. You know, there's there's so much to unpack from that, but as I've thought about this a lot, I wonder if it wouldn't make sense to just send them
084a request and say, "Look, you obviously know what you're going to do or you've talked about it and you pretty decided on what you're going to do. um why don't you share that with us so that we know that if we're planning to to do anything with these schools? It's not going to make a lot of sense for us to sit here and spend hours and hours and spin our wheels and get a plan together. Uh because again, we went from 10 million, you know, you talk about the price of inflation, which I totally agree with. Remember what our arguments were six or eight years ago was you gave us $10 million to work with in 2004. We're in trying to build the same schools and try and renovate at $10 million. It just doesn't
085compute because inflation has just killed us. So now uh you know we finally got them. We only wanted to go to 171717 and they gave us 20 2020. Now they're going to take that back and who knows what they're going to do. But um I wish they would just come out not worry about elections and just tell us you want us to close schools. You what do you want us to do? What are you going to give us next year so that we know? I mean let's just quit beating around the bush and let us know what they're going to do. I think it's worth sending a letter and just asking them uh do you you know are you going down to 15 million 15 15 are you taking a year off what are we
086doing but you know these numbers these numbers are astronomical so um you know I thought we had a dawning task in 2020 when we were able to uh get five members not to think in their own district to to do uh CTE. Um, now we're talking about they're going to reduce the CIP and yet you've got these aging infrastructure of buildings and all they talk about in their meetings are the aging infrastructure of buildings they have uh which is nothing comparable to what we have. So um I think it makes sense to do that before we really dive in. We really can't do renovations if we can't if we can't fund them. >> Well, if we really don't know what direction to go, we could be spinning wheels and wasting our time. >> Right. That's
087right. >> I mean, they refused to have joint meeting. So, I know that was getting ready. >> You need to get me started on that. Don't entice me. >> Well, I think your point's valid, but it's hard to know where to where to start and where we can go from here if we don't have all of that information because the money is really what it comes down to. And I really feel like Burlington is a uh an emergency. I don't know if that's the case or not. We we haven't talked specifics, but I know that it's busting at the seams. >> I think uh yeah, I think uh probably emergency isn't right where we are. Uh you know, certain it's a safe school currently, but I think it's um you know, Mr. Kles, this is
088where I think you might want to, you know, ask him by whatever he recommends to uh, you know, do some further digging as far as the infrastructure goes because I think he does have some concerns just for the next, you know, >> should we ask him to send us an email rather than do it here just to give us some of those concerns for for schools? >> I don't think specific concerns there. I think correct, but I think we're insinuating how we should go about how we should go about assess We need a facility condition assessment report. It's about 10 years old now. And so that needs to be the my opinion that needs to be the first step. Uh in regards to Burlington specifically, we have had some um sort of structural things over
089there, but been addressing them through maintenance, new gutters and woodwork around the building, renovated those classrooms. We had to take off part of the brick facade, rebuild it last year because it was peeling off the building section of the roof that is new. It needs more. Uh, but we have done some things to kind of stabilize what we have. But yeah, I think the starting point is updating and maybe instead of saying concerns, we have questions to make sure that things are still >> and that's a wonderful po point. when you start doing the things you're talking about doing, you know, what does that do? That takes away from the ability to fund a lot of these other things that need to be updated or continually maintained, whether it be HVAC or um electrical or
090roofs or or whatever. But um anyway, it's >> Are these assessments that you guys [clears throat] do or do we have to hire people to come in? That was >> I was asking would we have to would we would we need to hire a third party to answer some of the questions that we think we ought so we're going to need >> so that's the other question then there's a cost involved with that right so how far are we going down that road until we know >> exactly how how far are we going to go until we know what the intentions of the board supervisors are >> I mean I think all >> time it's I mean I think all of those things are good I think there's probably some reassessment here would be helpful
091and there may be changes that we decide we need to make, but I'm not sure how much we want to spend until we know what what we're going to have. I mean, are these things still on the list? Are we still going to be able to do these things? What are what are they thinking? And I don't want to spend money on assessments if we find out in the end these are things that are not going to happen or they're really farther down the road than we thought. So, >> that's pointless. We spent pretty much what 50,000 at was it for Burton? >> Yeah. What was that cost? >> Just to do an assessment. >> Just to do the assessment. I mean, it was 50,000. So, you look at the buildings we're talking about. We're
092going to get into hundreds of thousands of dollars. >> I mean, to Tim's point, there probably are changes that need to be made in this. Um, but do do we want to go down that road until we have some answers? So, >> yeah. What I might suggest is like get you pricing on updating that that report because that report probably needs to be updated regardless of what we're going to do because it tells us for instance the condition of the roofs and just for maintenance planning purposes because it's been 10 years since it was done. We probably need that information anyway just as a name it's got and once you have pricing you can kind of determine whether or not you want to move forward with it or not >> and you could still target
093you know shorter list of building versus all >> absolutely correct >> I I think I'm hearing that that report currently being 10 years old really I mean if we're going to try to charge ahead on things we planned out for the next till 2030 36. It doesn't make sense to do it on an already 10-year-old plan. So, if we're going to evaluate the CIP and figure out what we can move, we're going to have to do that kind of assessment regardless. And that that's, you know, irrespective of whether or not the board of supervisors says you're going to get >> I think we need both, though. I mean, there's no use. >> Yeah, we can we can do them simultaneously. We can still >> push ahead on the other two. I just don't want to
094spend hundreds of thousands of dollars for something that is going to be irrelevant in five years and we have no money, >> right? >> Yep. >> Thank you. >> Yes. Do you guys have any other questions? >> All right. Okay. Well, if there's nothing further meeting.