001Good evening. Welcome to the Gresian Barlo Board of Education special board special board work session Wednesday, July 2nd, 2025. Call to order at 6 p.m. in the public safety and schools building. Uh our opening items, call to order. Walsh. We have in attendance tonight Chris Howitt, Kelly Regelman, Blake Peterson, New Bren Pterbark. Am I saying it right? Peterbot. Peterbot. All right. David Lotic, Heather Coleman Cox, uh Dr. Sean Fren, and Dr. Tracy. Where Tracy? Dr. Tracy. Looking to see where that was. All right. And so we do have a quorum. In fact, we have a full attendance tonight. So our first item of business is to approve the meeting agenda. The meeting agenda has um the OEP office tonight, information about the Gresham downtown urban renewal plan, future board agenda topics, announcement adjournment, and then
002we will go out for continuing our regular board business meeting. So, is there a motion to approve the agenda as presented? I do have a question. Yes. Because this it's just a matter of like what goes first because they've already been elected. They've been elected. So, they're able to vote on it and then they get I already asked Sarah that. Yes, because the county has already certified the election. So, they are board members. We do the final part that says you're sworn in, but they are able to vote on it. Otherwise, we reform them. That's true. Yeah. So, all right. So, are you making a motion, Sean? I make a motion to approve the meeting agenda uh as as presented. Second. Okay. So, it's been moved by Sean, seconded by David to approve the meeting
003agenda as presented. Any other questions about the agenda? Seeing none, all those in favor signify by saying I. I. I. Any oppose? All right, we have that. So then the next thing up here, I'm just going to pull this thing off here. Is to do the oath of office. And normally since I'm still chair because we haven't voted the chair and thing, I would normally stand up and I would do a wonderful thing and we would do all that stuff. I did not want to stand up and have my my heart thing in the picture. Um, Holly, do you mind doing the oath of office tonight for for Well, actually, I can do it for you. All right. So, come on down, Holly Regaland and I will just stand and I will just be careful.
004You can sit also. Oh, it feels good to stand for a minute. All right. And then for each person be thinking about this. Do you want to swear or affirm? Yes. Would you like to swear or affirm? I will affirm. Okay. And so repeat after me. I, Paulie Regelman, I, Holly Regelman, do solemnly affirm that I will support the Constitution of the United States that I will support the Constitution of the United States the Constitution of the State of Oregon and the laws thereof and the policies of the Gresian Barlo School District and the policies of the Gresian Barlo School District. During my term, I will faithfully and impartially discharge the duties During my term, I will faithfully and impartially discharge my duties of the office of schoolboard member to the best of my ability.
005of the office of school board member to the best of my ability. Before we do anybody else, are we supposed to do the recommended motion before that? Um, I don't think so. Was there a recommended? There is a recommended. Um, doesn't say that. I think I think that's just the recommend is just to administer. Okay. So, they did that. I didn't want it to be like not real. Do it again. All right. So, next up, um, returning board member Blake Peterson, if you want to come up. Okay, that's right. I'll go slower. Would you like to swear or uh, I I don't care. Whatever you have. We both swear a bit. That's all right. Um I Blake Peterson I Blake Peterson do solemnly swear that I will support the Constitution of the United States that
006support the Constitution of the United States the Constitution of the State of Oregon constitution of the state of Oregon and the laws thereof the law and the policies of the Gresian Barla School District. policies the Gresian Barber School District during my term I will faithfully and impartially discharge the duties of the office of school board member to the best of my ability the office of school board member to the best of my abilities and are you in swear Uh oh. What did What did you just do? He did. He did a piece. Okay, let's go. Just do that. So, right. I Brenda. Yeah. All right. I, Brena Budabar, do solemnly affirm I, Brener, do solemnly affirm that I will support the Constitution of the United States that I will support the Constitution of the United
007States. the Constitution of the State of Oregon. the Constitution of the State of Oregon and the laws thereof and the policies of the Gresian Bart School District of the Gresham Barlo School District. during my term, I will faithfully and impartially discharge I will faithfully and partially discharge the duties of the office of school board member to the best of my ability. and Heather Heather Coleman talks and affirm confirm it down. I, Heather Coleman Cox, do solemnly affirm that I will support the Constitution of the United States that I will support the Constitution of the United States the Constitution of the State of Oregon and the laws thereof and the policies of the Gresham Barlo School District and the policies of the Gresham Barlo School District. During my term, during my term, I will faithfully and
008impartially discharge I will faithfully and impartially discharge the duties of the office of school board member to the best of my ability to the best of my ability. Good job. Okay. All right. Welcome. And so next up is our um downtown urbal renewal plan discussion item. This was what got moved off of our last business meeting. We kind of ran out of time to do that. So it has uh Dr. Clinger and Mr. Cook uh presenting this. And do we have some slides or something that we're going to be doing or you just guys are just talking it? Yep. Okay. and and it's really like 97 if there was a shortened version. I did see the 97. Yeah, I mean I can't I didn't read it but I did it. So So the overview is
009essentially this is our notice um from the city about their desire to pursue an urban urban renewal plan. Um, and the timeline for this is we have until I believe it's July 10th to provide a letter, questions, any type of response that the board may have um, regarding this lengthy document. So, it's really just kind for us to have some discussion about things that may have surfaced for you as you reviewed the document or questions or concerns or things we want to be sure that the city is considering as they um head down this path. Um on page five, it does provide a map of the boundary. um in reviewing it and really thinking about our school facilities, our district office is in this boundary as is Gresham High School and our property at West
010Gresham. I believe the rest of our properties are just outside of the boundary area. So, just to have some context around that. Um, and it goes basically from downtown Gresham. I mean, in general sense, downtown Gresham to the Fred Meyers in the north and south. Yeah. So, it was a lengthy document. I tried to kind of scan through it, but what in layman's terms, what does this mean? Like, what are they doing? And I think it said over 40 years. Yeah. 30 years. 30 years. So everybody can pitch in and help um with this response, but essentially um the city would collect and take an additional portion of our local property taxes to fund some of this work. It it leads to some new opportunities for the city in terms of how they partner with
011local business or others in terms of what this development looks like. One of the reasons that we are receiving this document is because it impacts the local revenue that the school district receives as a part of our state school fund. It does not though over impact the the total dollar amount that we get. So any additional funds that the city claims to support this work is kind of backfilled for us by the state. So we remain whole, but it is a difference in our tax structure and how we receive funds. So that's part of us receiving notice in regards to this. How do I do John? But physically what changes allows the cities to see development within the urban renewal area. So as an example, the most recent one was the Rockwood urban district. That
012was the old Fredmire lot is a much narrower one. And uh like in a in a 30-year urban renewal, this is where I'll get bailed out by my team. Teamwork, you're going to cap property taxes. So, the typical 3% escalation isn't going to happen. That what would have been escalation is now collected into the urban renewal um for the purpose of private development. So, the Rockwood Market Hall is p is development that was seated by an arbitical district. And there are some advantages to our teaching staff, police, and firefighters because if they are employed by the district, living in the district in that urban renewal, they could pick up HUD houses and receive a 50. They have to pay for it, but then over a period of time, they essentially get it for half off.
013Yeah. The house or the taxes? The house in urban renewal. I don't know if some of these kids Oh, yeah. teachers. Well, I mean, education. Well, I mean, but I did I just had no idea he said that. So, that's Yeah. Yeah. Because Yeah. I I learned about it just because I was looking for a house, you know, years ago. Like, what's the best way to do it? And I came across this program and they said it was only in urban renewal. And now, of course, it has to be a HUD HUD house, which then has its own things or whatever, but the idea is that it would renew the neighborhood bringing in people. I think Sandy did that much. It was like 10 years ago, and you have to live there for so many
014years, like five years before you. Another example is the Vancouver waterfront. That was all part of urban renewal. So, Rockwood is the nearest I think example. Is there any downsides for the district? I mean, and then what is the other than like maybe the teachers are going to be able to get a house for cheaper potentially, what is the upsides? Upsides are potentially safe routes to schools, uh, sidewalks, other things that they want to put in different spots. That's an upside. Downside wise, I didn't see a great deal. We're not losing revenue. uh it not really there Trace will speak to this. There's a potential uh for um wanting to buy property and having an eminent domain. So there's some things in there that could impact us, but from an operation standpoint, I really don't
015see an impact for us. I did um notice some downsides. Um none of the money that is going to this u renewal project is going is going to assist any of the schools. There's nothing about Gresham Bartle School District in this whole $132 million. Nothing. And um I think that that is concerning and I think that we should really um understand um we should send some type of um response back and say, "Okay, what about the biggest employer in Gresham? What what about the school district? What's what are you going to do for schools? Yeah, waiting for some collaboration at least with the district. Yeah. Additionally, possibly appoint someone from the school board or the superintendent to that committee while they're making all these decisions. Um, we should have a say or be aware of
016what is going on and be a part of the planning. So, Dennis was all new to that committee and committee. Will someone else take his place on the committee? Do we know? I think that was as a representative of the district. Yeah. And I think in terms of creating this plan and then from there once this is moving then there's a new advisory committee that will be established that helps kind of with the oversight piece. Um, this this brings me back to a conversation we had last year where when the city takes money, the state gives back or what have you, but then there was Well, that was the enterprise. Yeah, but there was question on it was now going to cost us money to manage that money. Do you foresee that? I honestly don't
017have any idea. I don't believe so on us collecting funds. It's really an offset getting them a different way. I can go back and double check, but I agree with Tracy. I don't see us having that. It's not the same as the enterprise. I think it would affect us more if we didn't have that. Was it major five or whatever back in the 90s? Obviously, that was our tax income, but now that we're offset, it doesn't really agree. Is there any concern over 30-year horizon that that would shift? All of a sudden, we repair the liability for That's what that's a concern that I also addressed. And um I don't want us to get into a situation like Mount Hood Community College like 30 years of not having any kind of upgrades or progress um
018whether it be in technology or STEM or CTE or even just infrastructure lights um sidewalks crossing upstairs. Yeah. So, and just for the record, uh the program I was talking about is called the good good neighbor next door program. So, the public if there's any public watch or any staff look into that what what action is the board going to have to take? I think just there's no action required. It's more if the board would like to provide a response before the 10th then we would need to get moving. Okay. I I think you know my I think I'm thinking back what you're saying. Um but I I mean I've expressed them for a while. I have concerns about how city transportation planning views safer for us to schools and how and and some of
019that's my lack of understanding. But what I do know is like we have our largest middle school has no sidewalk within 500 ft of it. Yeah. And when that was addressed by the community, the planning department informed them, oh that's not a priority route, right? Um I we you know I I feel like you brought it up during the bond where we've got system development charges hitting our transportation network without a plan to upgrade. I'm I'm I'm with you. I don't think we should be silent about the needs for for safer routes. Um, I'd love to see what I would I mean I would love district staff to interface with the city to understand what it might mean for us and what's Gresian what it might mean for us at Gres, right? Um, related to,
020you know, what this all actually means for us if we not being developers, what should we know as a land owner within them? Especially thinking about Westgression because there's always been the ideas floated out there like should it be into a community center or what do we I think we're using it appropriately now but is there some way where we we could maybe make it a community center and they give us something else in return. You know I'm saying like is there some things that could happen with that? Yeah. Just overall they need to I feel like they should include Gresham Bar School District and it should be defined what they intend to do for the schools. So and because I just want to have a little bit of a clarification on that um because
021I'm not sure if I'm hearing it if I'm hearing what the concern is. Um and I will admit that after about page 50 it kind of glazed over it. So, thank you for reading Marinette. Um, anything that has to do with the school function, the school size, the school capacity, that all comes back to us responding. So, that that is not something that we get. And I'm just kind of saying that for clarification, anybody else who's actually listening at the meeting on beautiful sunny afternoon. Um, the city does not provide money for us for our buildings. if they put in um housing, if they put in residential, if they put in business, if they do something and it puts an impact on our buildings, that's on us. And so that's part of that collaboration with
022the city to make sure that we do tell them, hey, by the way, we're a little short on capacity on this area or we've got lots of capacity here. Um and not an expectation that we can suddenly make more space in a building. Um West, I know everybody wants to have their hands on West, but that's still our building. still own it and it still belongs to the community through bonding. Um maybe they'll give us the library for less. So that's that's just kind of a you know holding that thought as well that I'm not sure that that's the response that we would give back to them in any way other than to have as a table to have the conversation so that they understand the impact that it could have on us and that
023we don't have a pot of money because of the measure five measure 50 we have to go out for bonding and um you brought up Mount Hood Community College that it it was a big lift for them and shouldn't have taken that long for them to be able to get bonding. But that's the environment that we're in. We've been fortunate in Gresian Barlo that we've we have had successful bonds. But we also had some that didn't pass. So yeah, I don't see that. Oh, sorry. No, I was going to say but but how does that pertain to the safe the safety of the streets and the sidewalks? That's why I'm not quite sure. That would be that'd be a pivot, wouldn't it? Because that would be the city. That would be the city. So safety
024of the sidewalks is a city of saying, "Hey, we don't see anything wrong with this, but take us a little something here. Can you put in a few put in a bike? Put in you've been picking us something." It's really safe space. Exactly. Yes, we claim those students as ours, but can urban come with the sidewalk, right? Yeah. Well, and there has been deaths on Hogan. There's I mean Yeah. I think the the question we could be asked or that I guess I would have is that some of those missing sidewalks aren't in this area. Yeah. So, it's so then it's not necessarily connected to this plan. It's more of a hey, we'll partner with you on this and yeah, we'd like to see this. This is a chosen boundary and they could choose Hogan
025further like Exactly. I mean they're the ones choosing that boundary. So I think it's still worth saying like it isn't in this but it should be in this because it is safe. I see Travis watching us right now. Yeah. There's just absolutely nothing about Barlo school district in the whole entire Well, that doesn't surprise me because this is a city and I understand that we get our funding um from a school fund from the state. Um there was some specific language in there um that they were using that was vague and that um I can't pull up my presentation that I sent um to you and um because they said something about um significantly um just using words that are not 100% right like that oh well we didn't say it would 100% do this
026we said significantly and just some other terms that leave open the door for us to not be protected. Yeah. No, I agree. And a lot of these planes are like that where it's like it's so great. But more specific. So is there and and I'm going to ask like you're a little bit closer to kind of the city stuff but not I don't want you to copy in your job. Is this something that we should at least have a statement of keep us keep us in the loop on this? Keep us in the conversation. We're not done doing this. We don't see we don't see layaring issues other than clarification of language about are we going to have someone that's on the committee? We had Mr. Clay that was on the committee. Are we continuing
027to have we have district leader Yeah. of the superintendent's choosing on the committee. I feel confident that the board's going to have access to the information that we need to have. I that would be my take. I do I I don't foresee that there'd be an issue, but this would not have an impact on our ability to bond or levy. It would not impact our total revenues or the taxable amounts and the fact that this is going to live longer than most of us that are here. This is going to be if it's a 30-year client, it's going to be a while. So, it would be nice to have some things in place that say keep coming back to the school district about the conversation about what's going on as things change 20 years. In
02830 years, 48 is I could be there. Maybe I'll be close. I could be there. Not that we ever want to go for. I think they're the worst things to do, but we'd be having reduced funds because of this. So maybe we better qualify for a levy because isn't it based on the funds versus the house value? I don't think the tax assessed value changes. I think it's just taxable assessed value is frozen as it relates to the urban renewal district. They're still going to pay. I think that's correct. I I think a levy would still apply to the total tax value. That's that's kind of what I was asking though is okay because the value is still going up. You're just not necessarily paying it. that that's what I'm saying is it would be
029more like because right now we're kind of where we are supposed to be levy or is tax value wise but if our taxes are down here but really they should be up here the point of the levy is to to bridge that gap so it could be more of a opportunity to do a levy not that we should I hate them I think they're short-term solutions but okay yeah from from a community member standpoint yeah they're not getting a special deal a sweetheart deal. They're still going to pay based on your children. I see. In terminology, I believe levy is a short-term 5 to 10 years. Bond can be much longer and usually a bond is for capital things, physical stuff. Levy is for people people which which is why I don't like it because
030then you have to fire the people or or not fire but you just have to keep going back and over and over again to renew it. So, so usually you do fall in for capital levy for personnel. So, back to your question, Chris, about should we respond. Yeah. Um, I've been thinking about this a bit and I wonder what message a non-response sends and wonder about a response being an opportunity for us just even again on a piece of paper with some key points gets that in front of the city council in terms of we want to partner, we want good communication, we'd like to be on an advisory, we have questions about transportation and safe routes to schools, um, we're concerned about the impacts on Gresham High School on West Gresham. I mean, those
031sorts of summary things, it it feels like it could be a missed opportunity to not just get some of those just key points on their radar um and just remind them that we're here since we aren't in the plan. I think you sum it up. Okay. I think that's I think that's good. So, that that would be a response. Would you want superintendent to write that letter or you want it to come from the board? I think it's a district. the board can sign on to it as well, but it's it's we're saying that this is important enough for the district to be a part of this and the board is in support of that. Okay. And then I would I would encourage maybe throwing an annual update to the board if there's some kind
032of you know intergovernmental connections kind of agenda item that's standing that we can Okay. It's going to be a big deal for our community. Yeah. So, are there any key points that I missed in kind of that summary? I'm just summarizing in my view, what does this mean for us kind of an advisory level? What does it mean for us as a property owner? What does it mean for us as a steward of 10,000 markets kids? Um, yeah, I think I think there's different roles that we play in this, but it'd be nice to be at the table for all of them. I would say just as a point because we brought up transportation and and the boundary the um well, maybe this is how I I would say depending on what the development is
033even by Springwater that that should be something that we talk about. Hogan and oh yeah since we know that that area has had some safety issues and also yeah one side I guess has sidewalks. So kind of a consider the expansion of the boundary to include. Yeah. You know it' be great if they could expand it like basically through uh Cal Valley Elementary School because we need those sidewalks and be nice and like I don't know where they put them. It's pretty narrow roadway but no that's of our main. Yeah, that's a huge river. That's probably our most challenging area when it comes to walkers. That means a different strategy. Don't walk to I would say Dexter walk to Dexter because I know council to do that without you. So Tracy, who's going to follow
034up with the city then to do a letter if that makes I will I'll draft something and get it okay out some review before July 10th like that's the date that it has to be sent on it tomorrow. Sarah watch wise, do you want us to do actually a motion to direct the superintendent to provide response to the city or a consensus back to the superintendent? Have to yeah superintendent to hear that? I mean, we can as long as it's in the minutes that way. I'm just looking at what's it look like five years from now. You know, who's around, who's doing what? Does it have more weight if we say and and if we if it's a motion then do the board members names get on there as well if if uh Dr. Clinger
035is writing the notice of superintendent and the board of education is is in agreement with this. I don't know. I'm just trying to figure out the optics of it. You know where the can would I ever write one on behalf of the board? I don't know. We haven't had one of these for long. And I think I think the point is we want it to come across as it's on behalf of the district and on behalf of the board. So whether that means we sign the same document or whether we direct you to do one or whether we write two one from the district and one. I don't like the idea of writing two because we don't exist outside the district. Yeah. We don't exist outside the district. So is there a way in the
036letter even in an opening paragraph I could state that after discussion with the board some key things were Yeah. Yeah, I think that's great. And then you sign it yourself and that way there's a recognition that the board had these concerns, right? We have record of it. Yeah. In the letter, you know, probably not a need to Okay, that works. Just wanting to make sure again that we don't lose it. Well, we could potentially tie this back to this meeting. Whatever that letter is, we can put maybe in the consent agenda for the next just that we've seen it. That would put it in public. put it in the next consent agenda. Okay. That won't be till August. Yeah. But put it in public, but it would just been put that we've seen it, right?
037Okay. I don't know. Um, it would be just the minutes. It'd be just in the minutes, Holly. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'll have that in there. Yeah. Like it would be like a committee meeting minutes just in that consent agenda where it's all listed. Yeah. Yeah. It's 130 million over 30 years. Yeah. It's not a ton. It's not a lot. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So, is that we couldn't run the district for a year? No. No. But I think if if it does bring in the housing, it will bring in more families which will be nice. Okay. With enough creates I I think that could be a potential upside is hey we have more students but at the same time downside because where are we going to put those students? We got capacity right now. I'd
038like to have some more. I would say that that's one thing that we need to partner with the city on is if they know where they're building and how many units they're approving, it would be good for us to have a heads up because if that prompts us to have to do a boundary um boundary review, change review, whatever. Um it would be nice to know that before we're like desperately trying to find classrooms for students. Yeah, because I know I assume and I could be wrong in my assumption that Palestinian here pretty soon with all the new development in general. No, we're if you really want to talk, I mean capacity wise, districtwide, if you take all the facilities together, we're running about 70% capacity. Pow Valley, East Gordon Russell's down 250 students over
039the last 10 years, and they're not gaining. We're not seeing enrollment from live new houses really at all because they did include that in the boundary. They did um and then they haven't received the students that and the demographic projections that we've gotten from the 10 years long range facility planning is we're going to continue to go down by about 600 students. So from a capacity wise and new building wise, nobody's really projecting that we're going to get kids. Most of that is related to birth rates. Are you guys seeing the outright live between 22nd 242nd? It looks like they just sold three massive parcels of land to developers. Not seeing really we're not seeing it in boost enrollment anywhere. And if you take Barlo for example, all of that new housing, all the high
040the high school's still down 250 students from what it was 7 years ago. Gordon Russell's down 200. Pow Valley is down about 150. East Orian's down 150. it. We're not seeing what everybody assumed would happen with and that was projected that that wouldn't happen as far as long as 10 years ago. We weren't going to see enrollment from new housing. I do remember and it was revisited when we did boundaries in 2019. Yes. Like we revisited it more recently than flow analytics. Yeah. With the bond flow analytics did an analysis for us too and they were right. We I didn't believe them at the time but they were correct. Not all those houses are fully being built out there. They're in process. They're in process process, you know, but they're both a they're starting house
041or whatever they're, you know, is it mixed mixed use. So, if you think also in the bond, we added a good number of classrooms across the high school. We added three different elementary wings. We remodeled and added classrooms various in various spaces in different buildings. Uh, so we added capacity with fewer students and we've had close to 12,000 in the district before and fit them in. Thought that we want to do that again with less capacity than we have now. We could grow about 2,000 more kids and we would still be okay. Well, that area that they sold out by us, I think 1,250 to 1500 homes. Yeah, we'll see. And right now if we I would take it with the enrollment. It would be in more inexpensive for us to redraw boundaries and to
042build because we have the capacity totally just bring back those stone kids that went from Damascus. Yeah, that'd be a really simple, hey, this is where we were before. Undo some of what we did. Okay. So, I'm going to bring us back to the urban this thing. Um Tracy's going to follow up with that. I'm going to do that. Um, any other final questions or comments to Dr. Clay about making sure that the board has the board and the district are voting in on this? And I would, um, if they're still doing planning things and Mr. Clay was part of that, I would inquire as who would they like to have on that committee. I don't know exactly what his role was or if it was as much that he is our point of contact.
043This is a requirement for them. Okay. to provide us this. So I don't know, but yeah, it would be just interesting, you know, if if Dennis were still here, would he still be on the committee? Just because Dennis is not here, does that bring in somebody new onto the committee? What did What was Dennis's role? Dennis Clay was the finance um and he did he retire go? He moved to another district. Moved to another district. So now we have he's on the task group that's listed on the page. This one the one before that acknowledgement. So he represented the finance it said provided input on the development. They met four times reviewed and provided input on the goals and objectives projects and finances of this plan. I wonder if appropriate or new CFO is just
044a same role different person or you know I I don't know what's Yeah. So that's kind of my that's my question or how it was chosen maybe. Yeah, I think that's where further conversation could happen to figure out what the best voice is there because it's probably less about the money and the finances at that point. It's more about the programmatic impacts or the long-term planning which probably would be myself or someone who's doing partnerships or something that already has some work that they're doing at the city is kind of what comes to mind. But I think we want to explore that further. Okay. All right. I got it. Right. Okay. So, that was our last agenda item. Um, we will go to closing. Oh, well, no, actually, we have future board agenda topics. We'll
045be going through more of what um has either been suggested. Did we pretty much clean up all of the requests for agenda topics from last year? So, clean slate. anything that comes up. There may be agenda items that come out of the board retreat that's coming up in August. Um, but as far as I know, there aren't any current requests for Well, one I think there was was that I haven't added yet, but yes, we talked about it, but but we also there had been a request to talk um through like proactive planning around an SRO. Yes. IGA in the event that that So, I think we can get to that in the fall. There's not a urgent need for it. It's on there. That one's on there. The GPA, weighted GPA is the one
046I need, right? I know you Yes, you've brought that up a couple times. We need to have a response on that. The weighted GPA and the SRO. Um, and we need to make sure that our new board members have access to that spreadsheet. We'll get into that at our followup. Okay. All right. So with that um we will uh be adjourning this meeting and we'll be going out to our regular board business meeting at 7 p.m. the council chambers of public safety and schools building and there being no other business in this work session. Um I will remind everyone that while we were here we can converse and social but we don't talk about anything that's on the agenda that's going to be out front or anything that was on the agenda during this meeting.
047So we are now into a social setting and with that I will adjourn the work session. Thank you. Yeah.