001foreign here we are Live on YouTube and recording and ready whenever you are for the interpretation announcement great thank you so much Cameron thank you everyone for joining us this afternoon um Cameron and Guadalupe can you please make the interpretation announcement say Lupita foreign sorry everyone technical difficulties just give it a minute Mexican [Music] yeah see we can hear you when I started companies organizations [Music] thank you very much great thank you so much um thank you everyone for joining us this afternoon I'd like to welcome you to the June 7th 2023. Guadalupe we could still I could still hear you sorry okay I think we're good um I'd like to call the June 7th uh 2023 district 14 reorganization committee meeting to order um Ramona can you please conduct roll call superintendent gutowski here
002Ms Goldstein here Ms Anderson here Mr Lucero here mayor Huseman president uh Ms van blericom superintendent chancho here miss Boyce here Ms Ramos chair Lovato here Ms Molina here Ms Rivas here Ms Kim great thank you so much um before we start everyone should have um the little raised hand icon on the bottom of your toolbar um since we are meeting virtually um hopefully we can use that if you would have any questions or would like to comment if you don't mind using that and then we'll try to get everyone's voices heard as we meet um next on the agenda is 1.03 approval of the May 5th minutes uh may have a motion to approve so moved thank you Miss Molina um any discussion seeing none of Ramona roll call please aye Ms Goldstein aye
003Ms Anderson aye Mr Lucero aye mayor Houston hi superintendent chancho aye Ms Boyce hi chair Lovato aye Ms Molina hi Ms Rivas hi that's everyone thank you um next everyone should have received the draft final report um did everyone receive a puppy and has had a chance to review that okay um I'd like to open the floor for discussion if you have questions um I I think to start I want to preface this with um I I did meet with Dr Lang who was the individual that was commissioned to pull together all the information that we've discussed and try to put together a report that captured our our thoughts um one thing of note is she did kind of say that while it's labeled a report we might want to consider it somewhat of a
004framework unless this is absolutely where the committee wants to go if we if we think this is sufficient and um with or without a few tweaks we want to go ahead and submit it then I'll leave that up to the committee as well but I just wanted to start by saying it might not be um as detail of a report that some of us were expecting or maybe that's just my personal feelings but um I would love to open the floor and and um if there's questions um comments um areas that you'd like to see changed or um or if you think it captures what we were thinking as a committee and uh Miss Goldstein yeah there's a couple of places in there that are still kind of question mark okay [Music] um they're yellow
005they're highlighted um if you go down to page six that's finally the cost to bring any variation of reorganization to the voters would be exorbitant initial conversations estimate the cost of oh yes um that was my doing good catch there's a couple more too yeah that one um I highlighted because I I know we talked about it um briefly during a committee meeting and I didn't know if we wanted to include that in here but I know um individually our um districts have connected with the Adams County uh Clerk and got some very preliminary estimates and um I kind of asked that we put that note in there to see if it was something we want to include um maybe this isn't the place but um I I felt it was high enough to be
006a consideration of of this process um another quick point of note that's highlighted um I did I apologize um some some of the highlights that are in the section one um regarding the resolutions that were passed I think those were highlighted um simply to draw attention to them um I guess I've been opposed to the committee whether or not you also want to um elaborate any further on any of those sections or um leave them highlighted unhighlight them um Dr Ling did also note um we all know School Finance is quite a convoluted uh thing to explain and so section two was very um very much pulled word from word from our minutes and from the financial information that we had uh each brought forth you'll see that it's primarily Adams 14 information so if
007you wanted to include that table that we had created that summed up each of our district information we can absolutely add that in here we can absolutely add anything about that or also ask our financial experts to explain it in a better way um the other part I wanted to highlight was um on page eight at the very top um it wasn't necessarily an ask from the commissioner but it was an Ask of the committee that we talk about the things that adam-14 was doing and so I highlighted a section there about the pathways that are rolling out at the high school um our Adams 14 team has put together a great flyer that we can include I can send it with you um that was another area that I highlighted to see if we
008wanted to include addendums um and lastly there is a section I can't find it right now but um Miss Anderson you had talked about the performance of the schools that are bordering um Adam's 14 boundaries and so our team also created a somewhat of a math that's that displayed those so I didn't know if we wanted to include that as an addendum as well but um those are the sections I highlighted on the report um that are kind of placeholders by no means need to be included or Mr godowski thank you Miss Lovato uh so I've been searching around on my email trying to find the report which is not something that I think I've seen before I wonder because I've been sometimes omitted from some calendar invites if maybe if that was the means
009that by which it was transmitted if I didn't get it I'm so sorry that somebody can just send that my way that would be awesome Ramona do you mind um okay thank you is there anyone else that has not received that document okay Mr Lucero so uh I'm still concerned about the larger strategy of the public hearing uh if if the public hearing has to take place and uh there's going to be a presentation to those people that are that are uh participating in the public hearing it would be best to have uh as many of the uh exhibits as possible so I'd certainly support I would certainly support the inclusion of of uh the financial data uh uh of the chart of all the districts if we're going to include the academic data I
010believe that would be appropriate and the last thing in the report um there's there's not a summary to the report there there's a final word uh there's there should be a summary and and a and a very specific uh recommendation from this committee about about how this case would be disposed of right uh uh the commissioner could choose to take that recommendation or suggestion or could choose to not take it but but I think we should be this conclude you know this concludes our work uh we recommend that this matter be resolved or what whatever the words are but I I don't I don't believe there's a summary that wraps up uh the report and and our position okay um what page this will be page three there's a couple of sentences in that red
011block do you think that is sufficient if we were to move it as a summary and maybe add to it a little more or yeah I think relocating that makes sense okay uh they're they're very specific requirements of the law I think we need to address those and and in the summary as best we can one question I had uh Miss camless probably is more directed to you because me when I read the report I found that it um was kind of spread across the requirements um or the asks of the committee um what we wanted to include but then also um what was included there was maybe five points well seven the points that are um included on that second page there um that were summaried summary summarized when the commissioner sent notification to
012each district and then there were the statutory requirements um and so I didn't know if that made a difference on how we address those or if we had to exactly sorry police are going by um if we had to address each specific or all three in in this report to Mr lucero's point um I'd love to address that if I could just ask you to bear with me a little bit I think there are three primary points that I would like to um excuse me just make sure that we have procedurally uh one I think the the one task of the committee today is to see what portions of this draft it would adopt or revise or whatever as an expression of its position opinions the scope of its study and the like so I
013think the discussion on the content of the draft is one thing we're calling back to um Committee Member lucero's point that the the delegation was for the Drafting and all the deciding is for the committee so I think that's where we are today in terms of uh what the effect of this report could be in my view it's one of two things which is the statutory process as you refer to Madam chair which entails a proposed plan of organization which could be not to organize but once that uh once this committee decides what that recommendation and plan should be there are very specific timing considerations that flow from that 15 days uh sorry to file it with the commissioner and all of the affected boards plus 15 days to post a notice and publicize the
014plan and then 30 days in which to hold its first hearings I'm wondering also though if if as consistent with the draft and whatever the committee decides today if it just keeps the title essentially and calls us a report to the commissioner and says here are all the steps that the committee has taken in keeping with all the statutory duties all the requirements of the order and the statute I'll just call them one thing because they should marry each other and here's what we have to say and uh if the conclusion of the committee's discussion today is no reorganization for whatever reasons are accounted in the writing um I wonder if the committee would be amendable to just submitting it with the recommendation the summary and say in lieu of a formal plan of organization
015that says no Organization no reorganization and all of the procedural uh steps that have to follow under the law if in the interest of economy of resources timing and the like if the commissioner would accept this report in whatever fashion that this committee approves in lieu of in place of instead of the formal process that those are the two main tracks that I see I'm happy to discuss them both a lot of them will depend on what this committee decides in terms of the content and the ultimate words used to do this and those were my three points but I would like to remind the committee too of Madam chair you had pointed out the first thing last meeting that with the Commissioners days drawing to an end of her term if the timing is
016still a consideration for those committee's product to be delivered to this commissioner as opposed to the successor commissioner so just one more factor in there but in terms of legal process I don't see any difference between the order itself and the statute um I see those as having to be unified in whatever committee report you do I would actually give the draft a little bit more uh credit for the community's work because I think it has pretty much addressed each of the factors maybe not in full but I would recommend listing them all and cross-referencing them to the statute itself just for clarity so I'm beginning to ramble on here but the focus I think today is the the the input of the committee in relation to this draft any adoption any revision and the
017like correct and I um I agree that I think um for me personally I don't know if the rest of the committee heard there was a successor named it still needs to be the individual still needs to be sworn in or approved by the state board but to me that's less of an issue I think for me my concern is what the committee has expressed numerous times is just that we we don't recommend putting the time the resources all of this to go into um a plan my understanding is there is no feasible way to move forward with the plan so I I personally would would appreciate if we could come to consensus on that and then also the concept of the report in lieu of a plan deciding the thing do you just mentioned
018Miss Kim um economy of resources timing like we have addressed everything as a committee and this is our recommendation um I think for me today I I really wanted to get the bulk of the report done minus some edits like if we can suggest like where we need to improve where we need to change elaborate or where we needed to take a different direction um was my thinking but I I would love to open up the floor um I one last comment is um we we had a end of year Town Hall we um had all of our continuations our commencement ceremonies and I think for me my rich on the timeline is simply the impact the negative impact that this whole looming process and decision has had on our community our students and our
019teachers um our commencements are valedictorian uh Speech uh which are he he gave in two languages Anderson English he noted he was going to Yale I mean a great great speech but for him to equate uh surviving covid with the threat of his school district and his school closing um just led to a number of conversations that I don't think need to or should continue in our community so I'll leave it at that so do we want to um go through each section um to kind of highlight areas that we need to update or change or um how how would you like to proceed as a committee I'm comfortable with that approach okay um for me the first one um was pretty straightforward does anybody have any questions about a resolution that was passed and
020do you think that the the good intro um the the timeline and the and the requirements of the plan were kind of summing up what the committee did and needed to do um and then it leads right into um the the resolutions and the feelings of each of the district's boards and the communities that they represent as well as uh Adams County Commissioners foreign as the State Board of Education already seen these resolutions I believe so I think we as adam-14's um submitted all of these um and each of the districts did a number with uh their constituents their teachers um probably over 30 other Colorado districts submitted them to the state board when they were considering this order and they were not not effective in stopping this reorg committee from happening correct so I
021don't know that leading with something that was already not effective is the best way to start off I think that the the statements in the resolution are very important because it basically is a list of the impacts to your school district but if I had already been submitted this information before and dismissed it I don't think I would want to be seeing it again that's just me putting myself in the shoes of the Board of Education which I would of course like to say again I I am not an education expert so other people might have other opinions thank you um I don't see whose hand was up next Mr Lucero I'm gonna go across my my screen in section three the second bullet talks about students in the receiving District be negatively impacted I
022think that's a section one item section one says educational needs of pupils in the affected school districts so so that that second bullet in section three should be in section should be in section one right because because I think the the section was the educational needs of pupils and the affected school districts the second bullet specifically speaks to the negative impact of the reorganization on that so I so I would really relocate that second bullet somehow into that first section only second bowl for section three right okay um one quick note to to um Miss Anderson I didn't miss your comment um this per statue goes to the commissioner and the local boards not a state board so the commissioner is going to read all of this and then make her recommendation to the State
023Board Mr gadowski thank you uh I just wanted to point out that I believe our resolution and that of the other uh districts Mapleton and 27j was adopted after the State Board order as I look at the Timeline that's presented on page two of this draft report I believe the State Board order was May 24th and all of us took action anywhere from June 1st through the 14th of June that may or may not change uh perspective about the value of reciting the resolution and where it goes in the report but I just did want to clarify that this followed state board action instead of preceded it great Point thank you uh mayor Houston I think thank you um I think that uh as far as the resolution goes I'm all for including the resolution
024I do take issue with the fact that we just linked to the Adams 12 in Brighton 27j resolution I think those should be included as well instead of just links to it if you're trying to drive the impact of the fact that these School boards have voted against the reorganization process then the full resolution should be included in there as well as the one that came from Adams County um that just should be be at their exhibits or they're actually where they're located there it needs to be impacting that nobody is in favor of this redistricting taking place in just putting links out there trying to dumbs that down a little bit for lack of better works um I appreciate that comment I also um I think it leads to um Mr lucero's comment about
025creating addendums and things that we could use to highlight information when we have the hearing or um presentation I'm not quite sure what we're calling it since we're we're not coming up with the plan and following statute I'll ask about that later but um we can pick out some of the key elements as an intro and then maybe attach all of them in full as um exhibits for lack of better word my sculpting I wonder too if we want to mention some of the other districts to show how Statewide this is something that is concerning not just to us but to the whole state yeah I appreciate that yeah um what I found in in meeting with Dr Langan collaborating on this report how how do we as a community decide where we get that
026information and how to include it I don't know if we should um let me share a map I don't think I have oh I do have church green um we could include the map that I alluded to that showed the performance of um the neighboring District Miss Anderson did talk about but also um maybe we do want to address the accountability process as a whole and note um I mean we can refer to the accountability audit or any information in there that says how many districts are on watch how many schools are on watch um and our impact on that um I will say in talking to um to my team we we had to strike a balance because it's it's the charge of the committee is specific around what happens to Adams 14 versus
027are we taking on the accountability as a whole which to me is a whole separate thing that we are still pursuing um but I I really tried to keep that in the back of my mind as as we as I reviewed this um report Mr Lucero so I have a a kind of a technical question if we are not submitting a reorganization plan our hearings required right because because if if you read what the statute says it talks about uh within 15 days of filing the proposed plan right there's there's uh so so I guess I'd ask legal counsel is uh we submit this plan to to the commissioner there's no reorganization or still are we still required to have the public hearings so Fort member Lucero commissioner sorry I remember Lucero I don't think
028so um in my view I think the discussion so far has been showing the scope and depth of the study which is part of the charge of this committee to make a careful study of the Public School Systems um with all of the many points of um section 114 in mind um but uh I think one idea one in my view option is to submit this as a report and by asking the commissioner to whom you submit this if she will accept this report in lieu of a formalized plan of reorganization that says no reorganization if it would therefore satisfy all of uh the requirements of this committee and if she would potentially relieve the committee of having to do the rest of it which is post publish have the meetings and potentially on and
029on so in my view that is still one of the two tracks the one track is very formalized in law the second track is up to you in terms of whether to consider as an option uh if I can add a footnote here um I do think in terms of depth and scope of the study uh the mentions today of appending additional information I think would be helpful and is a pretty standard way of incorporating information whether you accept the information in it or not but just to shorthand instead of summarizing the information just attach it so I would put that out there for your consideration as well I don't know if that answered the question so going through section two I think it needs significant rework and I'll start with some of the comments
030that are made there don't make a very compelling case for why the district needs to stay you're talking about declining enrollment numbers you're talking about the the negative net position of the of the organization those things put in this report in this manner if I were having to take action I would be looking at that and thinking well you know there's serious issues here that need to be addressed that are potentially not being addressed through not reorganizing so I think that those comments need to be changed in a manner that um demonstrates the difficulty of the reorganization however doesn't paint the district to be in a negative light as far as the declining enrollment and the cash position of the district second the the section lacks meat and potatoes you're talking about the mill Levy
031total is significantly lower than its neighboring districts but we're not putting numbers in there we're not putting the detail cells in there that are going to have an impact to show that we're not showing look an average homeowner in the southern part of our city is paying x amount and property taxes the school districts should it get reabsorbed to another school district that's going to raise property taxes by x amount which is going to have a negative impact on those residents which is also going to probably cause a lot of those residents to automatically vote no I mean as we know it's very difficult to get residents to pay for tax increases so it just lacks the meat and potatoes to create that compelling argument it's skimming along at about 30 000 feet and really
032whenever you're talking about dollars and cents you really need to be at that 5 000 foot level and really hitting impactful members that are going to demonstrate why it is that this is not a good idea to reorganize and one thousand percent agree and I know this was an area um we we as a district did talk about it and each each district um submitted their info I should say we as a committee talked about it um but I absolutely think we need to um pull in some real data specifically around the the Commerce City area that would be impacted and in a more positive not not positive but more direct and and real um comprehensive way um Miss Goldstein sorry this comment kind of goes back previous to other people's comments before that but
033it does apply and it's something to keep in mind this state school board is not the same state school board that enacted this um edict we have two people on there two new districts on there or directors and uh some have been switched around so um Miss Molina um can you hear me yes uh when I started this muchas thank you so much um I just would like to add uh I don't know if we're able to if there's a ad in one of those points about the Enviro screen because cdphg has uh um Commerce City Art District is prior to that Viral screen uh has a disproportionately impact of the community um you know with the air the water um it does impact there's a multiple Health impacts so I don't know if that's
034able to be included because it is part of the state law now uh that Colorado State recognizes Commerce City as an impacted uh area and that impacts the education of our children and I know because my kids are impacted so um and that is that on CD phe and it's the Enviro screen um for CD PhD um I know our um teachers union has spoken about this and and the impacts um and I think we have data in the district to lead to that um I would open up open it up to the committee if you think that's something that should be included in this report um as an addendum um as a sentence or a bullet or um if you seek additional information about that um Miss Rivas I think your hand was up
035okay [Music] your husband is foreign thank you Miss Rivas um for me I think um and the committee has talked about it if if we do decide um that we are submitting this report in lieu of a reorganization plan and we don't have to have an actual hearing I know I've heard many um committee members address their desire to have some sort of a community events where we're sharing this information and obtaining the community feedback um it was also an ask I mean we're we're representing our community and if there's a stronger way to get their voice in there um I don't know that and the report would be where it would go maybe a summary of what we already know but I would absolutely um second your thought about we need to include the
036inbox um Miss Molina I think your hand is up or is it still up from I I forgot to bring the hand down oh okay Miss Anderson I agree with mayor Houston's statements on section two that it needs more more meat more data I also think in the heading of section two there's a sentence that says None of the districts expressed a willingness to do so that's not really my recollection my recollection is that all districts stated that they believe that a referendum absolutely will not pass in their District so even if we do put a ton of work into coming into some sort of developing a reorganization plan put it out to the public put it out for a vote it will never be passed and I think um that's something important to highlight
037so instead of saying that the districts maybe we say the um the voting members of the neighboring districts would not approve referendum I also I I think that's a great point to include in there I think um I think we want to make sure we stay away from presenting texts that seems defiant in nature like we will not do it but we were all representatives of our respective districts and and we know how previous referendums have or have not passed um so I I think I added a note in my notes to change that I think if we include appropriate data like taxes for atoms 14 people would go up this amount or if the school districts had to absorb you know a 38 million dollar deficit and pay for 170 million dollars of business
038building improvements that result to the taxpayers of whatever existing districts would be something and just to kind of show yes here's the dollar amounts but here's what the impacts would be on the taxpayers within the districts who would then be expected to vote on this referendum so I agree not saying that they'll never vote for this but just saying it's going to cost them this much money yeah I love that and I think we should we also have an opportunity to include what's really happening I mean uh um we all received tax notices on how much our evaluations increase um I think there's like proposition Double H or whatever they're calling it all these things happening that are already going to impact um communities but the the impact in Commerce City always seems to be
039really significant [Music] so I put notes in that and I will um I think as a committee we need to decide how we get that information like perhaps should we direct um the Adams 14 Chief Financial Officer to obtainless information and kind of beef up this this fortune in conjunction with the City of Commerce City and probably Adams County um if we're talking tax base and um valuation and things like that um so procedure wise um Miss Kim do we need to be making motions or can we just note these things in conversation um to get that done at this point my suggestion would be to see what additional information you as a committee decide would be needed in reference to which portions just as as you all have been doing and then see how
040that tally is up my other question I guess in conjunction with that is I know that you would ask Dr Ling particularly for her expertise in education matters and if it does include education Finance I don't know if that's something that she can also do but if the idea is to economize resources and times to bring this report to a final stage and I think taking tally of what additional points of information and uh how which categories they might fall in might might influence who you ask in terms of following up okay and then can I since most of it again falls on Adam's 14 can I sum up our changes and then take that to our district and then bring back the edit to the committee I think that's entirely an option I think
041it would be consistent with the committee's last delegation of the of the drafting um but if there's any question you can certainly put it to your committee members to define the delegation um to the drafter or to the obtainers of more information and in consultation with the chair or something like that thank you all right um I did have a question around um section three I had highlighted that last bullet about adam-14 strategic plan um that I'm sure sorry oh yes excuse me before moving on to another point it does look like you have another hand up okay um go ahead so I unless I'm wrong I think it's impossible for us to forecast what the tax impact may be to anybody without redrawing the lines right be because you don't know you don't know
042what the property assessments are for the for the various possible divisions it would be easy to calculate if it was all to be absorbed in 27j are all to be absorbed in in in in 12 but but there are are uncountable numbers of potential tax impacts depending on that's that's one of the difficulties right I think we can make some over arching comment that that in all cases district 14 uh uh residents would would experience an increase to to tax revenues but it's it's impossible to to calculate that the way I understand the process anyway that's very true voice um yeah I think you could paint an example though of kind of the worst case scenario you know taking the average household in M14 and the impact if it took on the highest milletti amount
043from a district and paint that picture and say that could have an impact up to this for the average household I am typing well on them okay I put that note you're right so maybe even if we considered the high and low end or maybe we'd stick with the high end but just this is an example of what could be the impact I think he I think you go with the highest end you know I mean we could list a range but I think the highest end will make the biggest Point okay makes sense um and sticking with that same section what about the cost of bringing this to voters do we want to include any of that information or do you guys think we should exclude that um again that was something I was
044just like well it was mentioned and um yeah if you think about an election like this whenever we've had elections and you guys have had meals and months too there's a lot of money put into getting it passed is anybody I mean I mean maybe the charter school Institute might want to put money into it but you're not going to see a big influence influx of money you campaign for this I mean it's just and it isn't it about 200 000 I know it's 200 000 for our school district to have an election and then we also have to have one in Broomfield too I would be for including it I think that's a that makes that statement more impactful I mean I I just think again this is the first time anybody's doing this
045and that's a huge consideration and we've tried it before I I think um superintendent was asking talked a little bit about how you had ventured into looking into that and it just it wasn't feasible which I think was pointing as a committee we're trying to make man I'm sure if I could um I'm not using my raised hand function I'm sorry oh that's okay um in the spirit of um economizing resources and maximizing the expertise in the room I'm wondering if uh to Aid the committee members decision whether to include it if like Madame Vice chair anybody else has other information about the general range if it's all in the six figure range or lower or higher just again to give a picture of an approximate number and nail it down as opposed to leaving
046it open for more information if the idea is to use resources that have already been gathered I wonder if a rough estimation would be satisfactory to the committee for the purposes of deciding whether to include in the report I think it's a set amount per voter so we would need the number of Voters and the approximate amount per voter and go from there it depends if it's a general election or a special election it's the cost of conducting an election and and uh it would certainly range collectively well into the six-figure range uh uh uh the price gets diminished if it's part of a question with a general election ballot but an independent election the county has to conduct the election it costs money you gotta print the ballots you got a talium it's but
047but I I'm certain it would be you know well into the six figures between between the four districts I would say close to seven well and I um we we had looked into it as a district so um our Adams County Clerk and Recorder said that um if the districts choose to designate the counties as GEOS and monitoring a special election we estimate that it will cost at least eight hundred and thirty eight thousand this is a bare minimum and can potentially go up due to the voter population increases um if there were possibly 17 entities participating when you consider again the different cities that build up our difference um districts um he said for 27j and Adams 12 the combined 188 000 if we were to run this as a special election it would
048cost just those two districts combined roughly 75 000. so I don't know if we can enter like we can enter that information from the clerk and recorder into the report and consider that um I mean it's probably the closest we'll get to they they know that information and that doesn't even seem Broomfield no yeah so um with the committee be amendable to me using that um information provided by the Adams County Clerk and Recorder into this okay and that would be a minimum because we'd have to get Weld County in there you got to get Broomfield county in there it's it's all the voters in our district that supersede yeah yeah and that's not even um including the population increases from the last census because I think um Commerce City was named like the top
049in the top 10 growing communities um in the nation so yeah okay I made a note to add that information in here um the next area that I was gonna ask the committee that I had highlighted is under section three um we had put a link to um or I had highlighted to potentially adding a link to the Strategic plan um of Adam's 14 I didn't know if we want to include that because the committee wanted to somehow highlight some of the things that were already happening in Adam's 14. um we could also include it as an addendum or not included at all um mayor he's been um I just uh whenever you're talking about the cost of the election I think you need to also include the fact that that would be an unfunded
050mandate from the state um that's one of the biggest things that we push on whenever the legislature is in session and they want to pass in the uh ordinances and laws and everything is when you have something that comes down from the state and you're forcing people to spend money so if they're not going to fund the cost of the election then it becomes an unfunded mandate against the districts and that's not what we want to see happen great comment I'm typing it thank you Miss Goldstein yeah if you're sending a hard copy of this the booklet that you gave out at the state of atoms 14 would be an excellent um artifact to send in with the document okay wonderful I will add that in here and do you think in lieu of the
051whole link to the plan I think that some things up and didn't give away too much info okay awesome mayor Huseman did you have your hand up again or is that I lost him okay Miss voice yeah in respect to talking about the work that's being done in the district have do we have any data to back up the improvements that's been made since they started this whole thing going like whether it's I mean any I know there's always sea Mouse but you know maybe it's Maps data maybe it's something else that you're testing more frequently that could show that incremental growth oh absolutely um I think I can um ask our superintendent to um include that information from our staff um we don't have the CMS information yet um but we have end of
052year in comparison to the beginning of year for internal assessments sure definitely and you know it's totally included if it helps her argument here you know thank you for that yeah I'm sure it does show that so yeah we've had some great tribes all right any other sections or bullets anyone would like to address um I took a lot of notes I think one thing for me um that would be helpful in in moving this work forward is uh Miss Kim made a a good point like I think I think we need to decide as a committee are we pushing forward a report to the commissioner to accept in lieu of going down the rest of the statutory Road of submitting any type of plan um having hearings all of that um Mr godowski yeah
053thank you very much so Ms Lovato part of what I was hearing a little bit as I was scrambling around trying to figure out where this report is that everyone was talking about on the front end of the meeting is that there was a reference to a map and maybe some analysis about how schools adjacent to 14 of performed academically and otherwise where did that land is that something that's going to be added in I didn't follow along with that part yes um I I think uh trying to find where it is in the report um anybody please jump in Miss Anderson he found it is this on page seven right before subsection four last paragraph of subsection three where you've got uh exhibit XX highlighted no that was for um the flyer that Adams
05414 has put together for the academies at the high school I didn't see anything regarding data in here yesterday I did run some numbers on my own I chose a couple schools from each of the school districts and looked at their performance data from 2010 through 2022 um there's three years of data missing in there there's for some reason there's no 2015 data and then the 2020 and 2021 data was just copied from taking all those things into consideration um I looked at some schools that had the same demographics as the schools in Adams 14. I chose title schools that had roughly the same percentage of Hispanic students and roughly the same percentage of students on free lunch to try to take into account both language issues and financial issues and when I did run
055that data I would say the schools oh and by the way for your schools that I chose were in Adams 12 Federal Heights and Thornton Middle School in 27j I chose Northeast Elementary and South Elementary and in Mapleton I chose Welby and Achieve Academy and again I had no just my own estimation of what would be comparable and what I found was that the schools in Adams 12 were basically doing five percentage points higher than Adams 14. the schools in Mapleton were doing 7 to 12 percentage points better and the schools in 27j we're doing 7 to 30 percentage points better than those in Adams 14. so that I I don't think that data would support um not reorganizing yeah thank you and I think um I think I'm talking to Dr Lang as well
056like we um so appreciate the involvement and support from our neighboring districts by no means do we want to drag anyone under the bus or highlight anything that we shouldn't be highlighting so to um maybe we just don't include that as part of it um as part of our report Miss Molina um I'm gonna go back and circle back to the I'm viral screen it's a map uh from cdphg because I hear uh you know when you look at the map uh you can see how uh this area is very much uh environmentally stricken throughout it's historically marginalized right so through the history over and over and that impacts the education of our children uh and we know now uh I am sitting I was at the governor's mansion yesterday I'm part of an environmental
057justice Roundtable and this is on the table um education and how uh environmental issues impact our education uh missing school truancy in fact cmass during that blowout uh during that week uh Suncor blew it during cmass this year um and this is what we have to deal with on a daily so I really would recommend the this committee to highlight the um disadvantages that this these communities face thank you um in response to um director Anderson I think we just need to keep in mind that that data those data years with the gaps are when we were held harmless because of covid so the I mean there were there were a lot of opt-outs that here people just choosing to have their children out at least in Adams 12 I think everywhere it was just
058kind of the general why do we need to take this um during the pandemic so the growth data isn't exactly I don't I I question the relevancy of it I agree just to clarify the data that I was looking at was simply um the rating scores from the state of Colorado so I was comparing 10 years of rating scores from each School um coming up with uh like a trend line for those rating stores and then comparing those scores to each other and it's by no means you know um I would not write this in a scientific journal but it was enough information for me to see that you would not want to include this information okay um I think to um Miss Molina's point and um I think a few others address this as
059well I think for the report I think it would be helpful to include an intro as well as a summary but in the intro I think we could address the you know where the highest percentage-wise um of linguistically gifted students is what we refer to them here in Adams 14 as we have the environmental factors I think if we can include that in the intro to paint the picture of current Adams 14 students and all of the impact to their learning um that's kind of where we could capture that um so I just wanted to say that so miss Molina I don't want to see code I was dismissing what you're saying I'm trying to type and comprehend all this at once um Miss Boyce yeah I just wanted to say like regarding putting data
060in there about school's performance you know I I think I think no one on this committee would deny that things weren't going well in Adams 14 10 13 years ago and so the point is to show the Improvement that's happened um you know since Dr Laurie has come on since your current board has been go going and doing this hard work um and that was the data that I think should be picked and figuring out which data that would be depending on how accurate it is you know we all know that um you know the ratings by the state so much of it's been Based on cmass data and that Squad so especially when you throw the pandemic into it so whatever data we could pick that would help with that I think could be
061really provocative thank you I agree with that and the fact that you know we do have such a high percentage of um linguistically gifted students and so few of them have the option of taking the test in anything except English so um I think we can hit those points home uh Mr goodowski yeah I guess one more thing sorry of course you know so many of these kids enter into kindergarten and they're just speaking learning to speak English for the first time and have to take cmass in third grade I took three years of Spanish in high school and I still wasn't fluent and I don't think I could have taken the SATs in that you know so just food for thought I I concur we um my my son's best friend um often jokes
062about how his mom just kind of dropped him off to first grade and I was like good luck and speak a look of English and and that's what they're forced to um learn uh Mr ghodowski yeah thank you so on this piece about data for me it's always been about infeasibility the politics and challenges of getting any sort of plan moving forward possibly there's challenges in terms of that really solving things the final point I wanted to make about the comparative data is that I I just think we all need to be mindful about the very different resources that each of the districts have and Mapleton and Adams 12 have had quite a bit more for a good chunk of the last decade than what 27j and 14 have had and I believe that money
063makes a difference when it's well invested and um they've had a lot less and I think there's a lot of things that probably factor into how our students perform on standardized tests each year but one of the things that I think can matter quite a bit is what you have in terms of money or what you don't have that can make a big difference in terms of attracting staff retaining staff providing interventions and wraparound supports and so I agree that putting it in the report uh is not necessary or helpful I just also want to make the point that when we look at 14's performance compared to other districts I do think money is one of the variables that we have to take into account I agree okay I wrote that down I've resorted to
064writing because typing it's not working out for me um so what what I'm hearing from the committee and please correct me if I'm wrong we want to adjust the report to reflect more data on Adam's 14 and not necessarily all of the neighboring districts um around that ex with the exception of the financial piece to kind of highlight the the vast differences all right you guys we're coming up time went by fast we have about six more minutes um do you uh Miss Kim do you have any final words on how we should um the forward other than to um update this report and and present it present the the next iteration to the committee um sir up to the committee I mean my my first suggestion is really out of practicality I think um
065from everything I've heard drawing this report to final um is important to each of you I think what would make the most productive uh next draft would be to include everyone's remarks that had some discussion today and had not been um vocally opposed include them in a draft that is provided at least a weekend in advance of the next meeting to get that on the books as soon as practicable so that we can work backwards a little bit I'd be happy to offer whatever Services I can to Aid in the revisions um but I think if if sort of the again the idea of drawing the discussion points of the committee's meetings today um is concrete enough to include as uh revisions for hopefully a final read next time then the committee can look at
066it as a whole see what it has see the data that's attached and then decide what to do from there with the aim of just Expo not Expediting as in a hurry but um to to coming to a final written document that is truly a representation of the committee's studies findings and recommendation and then we can work out the technicalities in terms of what to call it and what it triggers in terms of statutory steps and the like but it would help me a great deal to be able to anticipate some of that to be a little bit more involved in the revision process with you all if that's acceptable to you but I also don't want to slow down the progress or um you know impede the other source of information that have to
067be channeled here so the last uh I guess trying to answer a question for concretely here uh given the last charge of the committee uh through Adams 14 to find the Scribe I think the real uh decision points today are um to what extent they want to go through the list of items that have been discussed or to charge the chair to work with the drafter and involve Council as needed to bring to the committee a revised draft with the aim of finalizing at the next meeting um Miss Kim can you speak a little more about your um being involved with the revisions is that to ensure we're hitting all the points required by Statute or I guess I'm I'm trying to selfishly give myself leeway to get stuff done and get it back to
068the committee yeah only if it's an aid of the process um I've been assigned to be a resource to you all one of the things in my toolbox is writing so to the extent that I can get you closer to a final draft I would love to do that for the committee um so if it does help great if it does not that's fine also but we can start circling some things that might need a little bit um of adjustment if one thing changes here and changes there so perfect thank you so much um so I do we need to make that an emotion I would propose to the committee if you're okay with me incorporating your suggested changes getting the information that's needed um and then um working with the Dr Ling and Miss
069Kim has needed and then get this out to you as soon as I can so just to clarify I do think that this would fall into the category of General committee guidance I would ask though to be a little specific much like you were last time to say within 30 days or whatever the case may be it may be really hard to accomplish but I think that's going to help the committee uh keep its momentum and again trying to get to the next decision point which is what does this writing look like and what is it um commitment time um I'm trying to look at our calendar we are at June 7th um I would say by the end of next week if that's okay that would give me 10 days ish to get to
070get the next iteration out to the committee and then I'll ask Ramona if she can um schedule something for that following week Miss Goldstein can I request that it be remote again just in case somebody's not locally in town yes I I concur I've found that I it's just so much more feasible it can feel difficult so we'll meet virtually the week of sorry my phone is not cooperating um so I will work with the Adams 14 team and Dr Lang and Miss Kim um to get the next draft to you incorporating everything we've discussed here um by Friday June 16th and then I'll ask Ramona if she can connect with each of you to hopefully get something scheduled for the latter part of the week of the 19th um to meet virtually so then
071we'll all have time to read it review it and come back with the hope that that's the final everybody good with that all right thank you again so much for joining us and for all your work Mr gedaski I'm sorry I'll make sure that I check all the email addresses this time um may I have a motion to adjourn and we'll we'll call it an afternoon so moved awesome second all those in favor we all just raise our hands so it's getting her thumbs up hi awesome all right thank you all so much and um I'll work hard to get this to you and hope great rest of your week thank you bye