USD 112 Special Working BOE meeting

001damon [Music] we'll have all the principles in that too all right and mr sherman um [Music] hey i will go ahead and call me to order thanks for everybody for being here on a random monday i will start out with the approval of the agenda entertainment motion to occur motion say goodbye josh tim oh baby motion passes mr president i move that the board go into executive session pursuant to the kansas open meetings act to discuss confidential personnel matters related to non-elected personnel as they relate to an individual employee's drug performance that we return to open session this room ahead 6 20 620 with superintendent superintendent part i okay there'll be an executive session until 6 20. uh so we are back in open session next is the work session and i will hand it

002over to no action no i will just take care of that myself uh let's talk staffing real quick for next year and years moving forward uh we know that and let's just uh do this by building if that's okay so let's just start with central plains elementary school uh we know that we will have at least what do we have jane help me out one opening for sure we're not going to count special ed because that's special ed one opening right now one teacher uh central plains high school right now counselor one position i'm gonna talk about teachers what talking teachers yeah secretary and nurse yeah uh do you want me to listen you can go ahead and list secretary and nurse yes that's fine uh at wilson you're right bigger i can't i can't

003see it uh wilson right now we know of uh one in the high school we believe we'll we'll have actually jane i think you might have two here because uh you've got kayla moving to counselor but you think you might have that filled is that what you're thinking yes okay uh and then you have two elementary openings right now two elementary openings and there's also a few others out there that we've got to keep in mind really in all the buildings because we do have a lot of teachers who have reached their 85 points and could retire uh so our goal on staffing is that we're able to fill all these positions the question then becomes and this would be like part two understaffing what do we want to do if we are unable to

004fill let's say a high school position at either end of the district do we want to a look at distance teaching if we cannot find somebody meaning whatever class is taught at wilson or taught at sims plains high school and beamed down i think that's your first option i do too that's your viable option the only problem with that is if you can't do it in-house then you're gonna have to go outside yeah and there are sources outside to bring them in yes so a lot of your service centers anymore southwest plains as dec have teachers that can teach and do that for districts that cannot find teachers um we are also looking and i kind of want this goes back up to the top one of possibly having a couple teachers that would go

005half time to in the high schools to facilitate some uh other programs like the surf safe and or a class where students build say sheds or eventually maybe purchase an old house in town to refurbish can i get a little board feedback on your thoughts on a program like that for our students i think that's great yeah i think we should have been doing that on tonga yes i believe their student interest we currently have a building a large building construction possible currently and they built i mean in the past they felt like our football shed and our concessions and things like that this year they helped build a ramp for one of our students who had an accident i mean so we currently have it up there now and and just an fyi that

006might end up being a combined class between uh central plains high school students and wilson high school students uh and i've mentioned that i felt like that it could end up being like maybe first semester they built something at claflin second semester they built something at wilson like a storage shed or whatever but i would eventually like to see that program grow and work with our communities to help refurbish houses in bushton in hollywood in lorraine in dorne's in clapham actually refurbishing a house i mean it's a great idea i think that would be wonderful life skills even if they're not going into it but the overhead for it and who buys the house and how long you sit on a house that's gonna reliability of it yeah and they like in the insurance and

007liability our students were covered through our insurance through you know whether they go to football games or whatever they're covered or go to a field trip to hayes or whatever but that is a concern the price of possibly buying a house but if a bank foreclosed on one and they don't see any hope for it there could be some opportunities there that's why i kind of wanted to take it small at first and see how we do before we branch out to get any bigger and it's not something that like if we bought a house it's not something that you would be done in a year i don't think it might take us two years to do it depending on the number of students we have so um interest in that okay lying we can't

008get all that to sync up and work we're still short teachers what do we do now we got plan a plan b i think we need to address the uh the plan b here second distance learning okay because depending on what classes you're talking about i think it's going to be hard to do a science lab class so on so distance learning you can probably get it done and you know the teacher could also travel one or two days a week there's ways to make it work okay but i think the core classes are going to be more difficult i agree so that's what openings we have and that will be something i will continue to to give the board that information as right now the four classes that we're looking at are uh the

009personal finance uh forensics keyboarding and accounting correct mr holmes okay two from wilson going down two from cleveland coming up that's a great start by the way yeah well uh uh this distance learning grant that we're getting has also been a bit helpful because we're gonna be able to get some good technology that hopefully will make it work well uh i agree with some of those core classes makes me a little nervous like a algebra class or a math you know or an english two junior english those type classes even some of the history makes me a little nervous doing it distance uh i guess my question would be if we can't find that person to teach any of those given classes is distance a better option than finding someplace else i mean that's that's

010my question one way one other option that hasn't been brought up is you can share teachers possibly with neighboring districts if there's whatever take russell or ellsworth or hoisington or elmwood they need another teacher they don't need a part-time math or they only need a part-time math teacher chance might be an example there's a there's a i think those options need to be explored at least put that up there mr dawson you want it right here you want it under me uh put it under b would that be right put it under well i mean it's what you know it's whatever wherever you want to put it but i think there's a opportunity the problem is finding those teachers for example i'll be honest like one of the things that we have to do with

011our essay money is 20 of that s or 3 money's got to go toward uh student catch-up or at-risk students i was talking with superintendent and chase about the possibility of maybe sharing uh we've already looking at a reading specialist that will have to pay through wouldn't pay through esser uh what they call like a family advocate person who works with families uh with some of the things that they need help with whether it be care for their kids those type of things so um what else okay so if you're still short on teachers i mean you look at going to one high school then i don't know i don't honestly i don't think that's viable option for our district uh not i'm sorry uh for the simple fact that whenever that's been brought up

012and i mean the board can make that happen but i don't see it being a something that will come together uh you know whether whatever direction you have kids going both ends say we will not go there so the next line then is do you because we all i mean everybody does want to keep this keep a school i think your final option which is in a sense kind of pull the rip cord is you look at continuing your pre-k three through six in wilson and similar to what some other districts do they send their high school students uh like lewis sends their kids to max not ideal because i eventually think you will just end up bleeding kids throughout the entire that whole building because if say you did it with ellsworth or you

013did it with sylvan or you did it with poisington wherever you look to do it what's going to happen is parents say well i'm already going to ellsworth or i'm already going to hoisington to work my high school kids going there i might as well take my elementary kid too but if you did that it wouldn't be the parent's choice on what school they go to we would work out a plan there's a contract that you would work out with that what neighboring school they decided to go somewhere else that's there yeah that option is there some of that wood uh i have not have to do they no i have not explored all i've done is get the information i've not reached out to anybody else as far as their willingness to to work

014with us on it because you got to have a district that's willing to receive and you have to basically i think when i talk to the superintendent in max bill lewis waits all those kids and does that figures out what that amount they get and they send that amount to maxim so i have not reached out to any other districts because to me that's the uh like your last possible resort and that's you know but i want to make everybody aware that those are you know go on hire teachers all right goal two get as many teachers as we can and sub in some distance learning or maybe some online programs this is three i feel like if we hire all the teachers and have everything completely staffed i feel like we're kind of ignoring

015the configuration committee but you have that study in front of you i feel like when we unpacked that and discussed that we came to the understanding that nobody wants to lose her high school because that was one of the top options so with the sense of empathy we tried to have work towards maybe the blog scheduling sharing teachers kind of the compromise there and we've come to find out that that maybe isn't a viable option either so i feel like it is time to kind of discuss whether we go down to one high school or look at co-oping with another school to really take the configuration committee into account and work towards that next step to be fair i don't i don't think that configuration study felt that it was vital well what was the

016closing of one of the schools one of the high schools so having sat through that that was a high-ranking option quite frankly among the committee and the survey was put out for everybody it rated well until so we had thrown things at the wall and one of the options was close a high school and everybody was on board with that until it came down to which high school so i think everybody sees the value and the potential savings there but nobody wants to be on the losing end of it which makes it hard to see where the best interest of the kids is playing for me it makes it hard to see that because if it really is about what's best for the kids and we can all see that there's value in that option

017until it becomes our project that's at risk i don't know it just was interesting to see it go from that ranked really well on the survey when there wasn't a specific building to a total 180 of whoa whoa that's not what i meant i'm not interested if it's my building on the chopping block i'm not interested another concern is the heating and error of what we're gonna have to spend you know that's what you guys gotta figure into it too everybody wants to lose a school but i mean i think i mean obviously none of us want to lose a school and we can we'll have that argument a thousand times over but it always comes down to that i don't think that either either way as a district we can afford to do it

018is that yeah we'll be saving money and the only way that we save money is if we keep a hundred percent of the students and i don't see that happening either way you know if it's 500 and yeah i mean i don't think either way we did it we're not gonna it's not gonna be 100 loss of the kids from that side of the district but it's i mean at any percentage i don't know if that's if if we can survive by losing that many kids and you look at the percentage of of the percentage of kids that left after we closed question ignoring reasons why it was 30 i mean you know we lost 30 of the kids on the south side or 30 of the kids on the north side it's a lot

019of money so i feel like though the more important thing is kind of what brought us to having these tough discussions is staffing i mean if we can't keep our teachers happy and keep them where they want to stay or you know if we can't hire because there's such a shortage in the state even hiring enough teachers it doesn't matter we've got the kids if we don't have the teachers to teach them because even if we do distance like we talked about you know her it's a due distance there still has to be some kind of supervisor in the room so it's not even teachers but paris and we're already down paris also so there has to be at the bare minimum a responsible adult supervising these kids i talked to a superintendent the other

020day and this one scared me because he said i've got two teachers less than 30 years old that are quitting i said where are they going out of education i said what are you going to do because rural area much like ours i don't know i might have to teach a principal might have to teach that is a great concern and then and that's kind of the elephant in the room all the time is if you look at our numbers and this is just from the other this is a little old 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 21 it's numbered right there on the side of my just looked 21 21 staff members district wide that's classified and certified that are eligible to retire as of last

021december and that number is probably up to 25 or 26 now and think about we have uh 100 employees 108.50 fifty six certified teachers what was that last number that you looked at statewide that's available well right now there's thirteen hundred i know because i looked at it today thirteen hundred positions on kansasteachingjobs.com and uh you know a kid that graduates from ku or k-state or wichita state unless i mean we are very fortunate one of the things that i do thank god about every night is we have teachers like justine de laval up at wilson that's her home she came back and that's where she wants to teach and she's a great teacher we're probably we have a real shot at landing another homegrown uh talent here hopefully in the next day or so

022uh but as far as like central plains going and competing against uh a maze or a uh valley center for a kid that graduated at wsu it's going to be hard sell because if that's where they grew up or whatever you know just it's it's a tough tough sale um and they don't look at insurance they should but they don't look at insurance uh you do when you're 50 but you don't when you're 22 or 23. and i feel like we always kind of talk about what can we do to to draw people back what what makes people want to bring their kids either back or to you know our schools and the teachers the values the environment that's what makes them want to bring them here and if we lose the teachers that we

023have that can mentor younger ones on the values that are important that create the culture that we have here that's just i feel like the teacher for the good of it i agree i can i can buy every piece of technology in the world but if i don't have a good teacher in front of the class it doesn't matter give me a good teacher over 100 000 worth of technology any day it's a lot harder to build those relationships when you're doing distance teaching when you're face to face building rapport with them too my principles you want to add anything to this discussion you're the ones in the trenches i feel like our legislature's going to knock away a lot of teachers if some of the bills pass that pass the new one that i

024just saw was they are looking at they have a one going out that people test every grade level kindergarten through 12 or 11 and if they don't pass that test they don't go to the next grade that's currently on the table as well as the one pertaining to us posting all our lesson plans and all the resources and materials on our website i just think i heard one floating around too about putting cameras in everywhere yeah that one too so i just think that you don't get an acting level they're gonna be pushing away a lot of good educators i follow some educators on twitter and on facebook and it's just sad to listen to the everything you know mr clark made a comment about the 30 year olds that are getting out of depression

025just getting out of the profession not going to a different school for more money they're getting out of the profession and you see that more and more and more you know like tamara said we've got good kids good programs good things good families good things to offer our students but if we can't have we can't get teachers here to do the job you know what what number are we looking at if we go to distance teaching and you know we don't have a teacher in the classroom are we going to leave students to they bring this district then that has a teacher that has achieved their full-time change i don't know what's what's keeping people here is the people and you know what brings people back are are the the strengths of each community the

026strengths of the school and those things are going to bring people back but if we're having to bring people in from i don't know as dac or whomever to teach our our classes are we going to keep those people in our communities or are they going to go somewhere where they have a teacher it's it's really i i have been uh pushing hard on legislators and english leaders and i need to get ahold of stephen johnson uh because they really need to relax for a while that rule on working after retirement the capers where if you're 50 whatever or you know under was under 60 you have to wait how many 180 days before you go back into the classroom or a job and then let us try to build back up the educational programs

027at these universities it's just it's sad how many kids don't see education as like a viable job opportunity out there right now i have colleagues who their kids wanted to be teachers like their younger elementary junior high high school kids they're now having that discussion with them about you should go into the profession of education and they're teachers and they're having that conversation with those kids that want to be teachers they're telling them don't go into it because of the the bills legislatures the the more and more like demands that are put on teachers and stuff i mean they're just they're telling their kids it's not worth it you should go and you know get up an office job or you know whatever which is sad because those kids that's the ones you want you

028see mommy and daddy doing that and that's what they want to do i mean because that's what they know some of them have grown up in school going to basketball games and debating forensics tournaments and things like that with their mom and dad and that's all they know all right have we to the boards and my administrators have we covered staffing well enough or do we need to add anything there's always tomorrow okay building needs we're working on you've this can be when we discuss put sid weens up there who's working we've got our train information w-i-d-x n-s yes w-i-e-n-s uh we're also i'm also spending some time working with some additional security for our buildings so might put like security needs i do think that our communities need to come to the understanding that

029eventually uh our buildings are gonna need some serious work uh you know roofing heating and air uh refresh handicap accessible bathrooms you name it that's kind of what sid's gonna be looking at bringing to us uh let's divert to the air conditioning heating air conditioning needs at wilson we have you were given several options on what what we could do that you know the minimal of thirty thousand dollars to change out two compressors to four compressors for 58 000 you also have a lot of pages of documents there uh replace one rtu for anywhere from 350 to 450 you have replace existing rtu and new train controls uh 550 to 650 uh replace existing rtu with two rtus and train control 1.2 million to 1.35 million and i'm just going to put claflin on the

030back burner for a little bit because we're yeah we're working option 4 1 million uh to 1.2 million which is uh new rtu replaces the one that's there new v8 vav boxes um train controls and then you get all the way up to you know 1.5 million to 3.4 to 3.750 million and i'm not putting that one out there because i don't know how we'd ever afford that so discussions so the elephant in the room um is i don't think we're gonna get any kind of bond issue passed until we take concrete steps more towards our future and a long term fixed right that's very fair point uh i had uh people in in my coffee at wilson uh you know said i'm all for a bond but i'm scared to do a bond on

031my building that might not be here uh i don't want to push it all over again where we put that mine and we take it right back off yeah that's a very good idea like i said forgot a concrete point i agree that we got to do something whether it's the 35 000. uh i mean i would hate to have something go down on it and we got kids in it nowhere so we've had that i know i know he talked about and josh maybe you you know a lot more about this than i do he talked about more like the residential units and splitting it down but i had mentioned something about mini splits and what he was talking about wasn't mini splits was it i mean because you don't have to put gas

032to make splits do you unless well i guess there are different kinds yeah what i hear again you know and i i understand where he's coming from you know splitting it so if one unit would go down you're not losing the whole building but like i said i agree that we got to do something that they're not down without any heating and air period uh i wouldn't want to be in a building that has nowhere at all the the thing is is how far do we go before we have to go to a bond situation uh i will i will answer that this way uh i think whenever you are getting over the one i mean the only way we could afford a one million dollar thing would be to do a lease purchase which

033what we're doing right now then if you passed a bond you could roll that lease purchase over into the bond right uh we did 800 000 on the original lease purchase was that right diane we pay a hundred thousand a year for eight years pins it's a ten year thank you so um like great ben is doing now they increase their sales tax to help pay for retirement or like the cops firefighters and stuff someone mentioned something about if the cities would agree and write an agreement with the school that if we could get each city to raise their sales tax that might be an option for us to because we're maxed out i mean 20 mils but she's tough i know city tax yeah 33 meals i'm just saying i know but that's how

034we gain money i i yes and i don't know this to be factual but the police and firefighters are city workers yeah they're capers employees the way i am canada's place of fire is different than people that's what greetman's trying to do kpnf is kansas police fire it's another section and then there's cables which is school employees it's two different things for kansas police and fire kp f that sales tax that you're talking about that pays the employer share to go to the to the emts and their retirement plan the school district's capers employer share comes from the state of kansas right we don't have to pay that yeah so but to use a sales tax to help first and how they're building the new police station so like if we can so that would

035i don't know if you could do a sales tax for school expenditures or mod i'm not sure i'm not sure on that either but that would be something i'll i'll ask and i'll send you something up here and with the question mark because that would be a vote because that's how the great hand passes and the voters actually voted for a sales tax to help support i i guess that we would do it each city would do it and then agree to like donate that portion to school sounds like a wonderful thing i my know i mean i don't know how much you would raise well i mean the downside of millers is don't they base sales tax on where you take possession of the item so if they deliver it out of county i

036think that it's that county sales tax it would also be five counts because we not just bart yeah right you know so every county yeah and it'd just be the city because townships don't have sales tax right i don't know it was just something that was yeah brought up to me i know you have to have what like four businesses or something in this city to have i don't know i that that's not i will talk to somebody at the state tomorrow i also talked to dustin avey who works with piper sandler about that i that very well could be something you could do i've not heard of it but that doesn't mean it's not possible you're running on four of the eight compressors up there we have eight compressors and i have four when

037i actually got hired there were three out of eight working they replaced one so i now have four with one that's brand new i think the other four don't work because we place the four to get us a back up to eight to d everything uh fifty eight thousand dollars four and the problem with that is we have to be strategic of when we get them and get them done like they didn't come and replace my compressor or the new professor until almost like the week before enrollment and they have to like shut down the whole entire unit and bleed it so that they can pull the one compressor off and put the next one so we were down without air conditioning in the hottest week of like school and i had teachers in my

038building getting ready for school and stuff so it's gotta be if you go that route it's gotta be at a time where you really don't have a lot of people in in the building if possible um if we can't and obviously we were at the mercy and when they could bring a crane in and put it on the rooftop so i think option 1-8 yeah only option that is viable which one one is see how you do any of the other what was one engine the 30 to 58 000 the 30 to 58. it goes up 350 to 450 from there well that's how price range already yeah without doing the lease purchase or something like that yeah but if you do that you got to remember you're still playing on that one yeah i

039know absolutely that takes that much water right out of the get-go every year for capital outlay i know how many how many more years do we have on the one seven well it's difficult to make these decisions on hvac when we don't know you don't have the first up there you know what chad said it becoming that would be the most feasible and economical i thought you hate to spend any of your well i mean 58 000 is doable right 350 to a million i'd have a tough time doing myself even though i you got to be realistic of what's being said around the table this whole thing is caused by staffing right now not the hvac but our situation that we're talking about the tamar's brought up a couple times at least i think

040you know is all because three four months ago when the configuration study was done there was a per i thought there was a consensus to keep going as long as we could the way we were misunderstood but and now three four months later now we're right back to where we were due to staffing yeah and it all has new staffing we can't get the staff and either in any of the buildings then that's where our problems are because you know a lot of people might say well this is wilson they don't have that i'm telling you toby correct me from this very easily be your building too i mean that is how dire that staffing issue is it's not just the districts and mr clark's already pointed out this entire state of kansas and our

041problem is where if you are let's say i'll just say grapevine high school and you have four math teachers and you can't hire one you might be able to filter those kids from that teacher you can't find into those other three teachers rooms or absorb them and instead of having 18 they might have 22 or 23. we got one one and a half in a lot of cases and that's where i mean people say well get your math department together okay we've got two teachers or three teachers you know um that is the struggle i'm going to tell you something and and i know this is not something that anybody in this district i said williams and i were talking on the phone and he's like great you know i'm driving down from wilson to

042the hollywood there's a beautiful ridge out there probably somewhere around near where chad lives he said i could build you a whole brand new school for what it's going to cost to redo all these you call it ridgeview and you're done but i mean i know wilson won't lose it in their town claflin doesn't want to lose it in their town hollywood doesn't want to lose it in their town and i understand that um that's the real thing and we all know it that that would be the best thing is that one school but it's not going to happen it will not happen and and excuse me i'm going to say this and send me nasty emails this district's going to hate itself into oblivion if they don't watch out well i appreciate what tamara

043said a second ago about thinking outside the box maybe we wanted maybe we're selling ourselves short for change we've been complaining about this since 1966 maybe we ought to rethink this and do something no other board's done before make a proposal to build a 7-12 keep your elementaries where they are and what said wayne's he could do it i mean if you're going to spend 15 or 18 or whatever the number saw the numbers for air conditioning alone at class the nicest building in the district is clobbling that holds a lot of people the nicest gym you know i and i don't disagree yeah we could build a school but why give up the best building we got that's you know i'm not i that building is how old that's 1962 so but it's the

044heating and air that's the only building that's still good you know does the state still give you i mean i'm asking does the state still give you like more money you've built a new building or an addition and you've rented it they've kind of done away with that we would be we there's a program that if you are a poor a poorer district and you go to pass a bond you could tell your patrons that hey this bond is say 10 million bucks your response you're only responsible for seven million the state will pay three million we don't have that option it's gone away yeah well we're too rich in the district okay there is also and i think it's going away it's or it's gone away is the new facilities waiting where they used

045to let you calculate what your new facility area was so if you add it onto a building you've got a little extra money for that but that i believe has gone away but there was a cap number on bond issues in the state and there was a rush because of a big district like a derby or went in and said we're going to do a bond issue they would take up all that cap space and a little district couldn't get in that doesn't affect us because we would get no state aid on a bond because we are considered a rich district well and i i hate to say this but honestly if you were going to build a new building i wouldn't i wouldn't even waste your time doing a 7 through 12. i would

046just do a bond for a k-12 out in the middle of nowhere it's most efficient for you on campus you stop a lot of redundancy when you do that yeah then all the teachers are saying please get all the christopher awesome same building so driving 40 miles 30. i mean that's what sid said he said i'd build it i mean honestly on roger and i talked today and i said to roger i said whenever this whole bond that did the bustion hollyrood wilson thing if bushton and hollyrood at that time would have said we're just going to build one somewhere out here on the highway when claflin came that ended up in that building but hindsight's always 20 20. isn't it i mean i can't tell you how many things in my life i think

047gosh if i don't know then what i know now i would that's why you study history too what that's why you study history too so you don't make the same mistakes yes i'm not saying i'm in really in favor of it but it's either that or you're gonna it won't be just district anymore and that's i would have her to say that sooner than later can i write that on this somewhere down here where do you go yeah right whatever you want to do mr dawson i'm just asking go ahead right really lightly you know when did southeast oh they've been there for quite a while three years asleep yeah i was in high school yeah one week so that's been there's a number of those districts throughout well what what what yes yes but

048they also are blessed to have salina right there and a waiting list of people wanting to get in up there and what was the school i just drove by on friday down there was it south of liberal western southwestern yeah fair building fairfield's the same thing they built that high school okay is there i mean obviously other than the obvious reasons of everybody wanting to keep a building and the question of if we could even get it past but is there is there any other negative reasons that somebody can think of for doing one building it's not a negative thing but something that has to be thought but if you build a a school in the country you have to build it where water is available you have to build it where a lagoon system

049is possible because you're not going to be on city water you're going to have to build it where electrical supply is available so you're not having to run miles and miles of wire i mean there are several and you have to find a farmer and you have to find somebody that's willing to give up acreage because if you build a campus it's going to be 10 12 15 20 acres i mean you can't build it it can't be little you're going to have to have put sports facilities you're going to have that football field you know all the things that you're going to need for a campus and it's not just a building and what do you do with what you have you're gonna have to have a parking lot you know there's there's more

050than just saying i want to build a school because i've talked to mr clark about this numerous times you've got to have water you can't go put it on a quarter that doesn't have that you have to drill two and a half miles down to get water it's just not feasible and you got to have a place to put your water when you're done using them so i mean there's there's some there has to be some really forethought into just we're going to do this but i mean no matter where or what it's not cheap but neither is 1.2 million or right nine million six whatever the other one is six or seven yeah seven a little well you know the other one's 9.2 million i don't want to think that's a negative thing but

051those are the things that to me have to be thought of first you know where where can we get water where's with that thinking is i don't want to spend a lot of our time money energy on developing plants and paying for people to do all this leg work and then nobody wants to do it yeah i mean i don't feel like that would be something i don't think we're in a spot no we're not in that spot want to do it i was just curious if anybody had any thoughts of when we know the pluses i was just curious if everybody had thoughts well one thing it that that this district and other districts around the state are gonna going to have to eventually come to terms with is and i've said this all

052along is it's not that we will not always have kids because i think we'll always have kids around here it's will that high school or will that elementary school still be a usable workable option as far as the building the staff everything to house those kids how's those students that is a concern i that i've expressed and i've had other superintendents express it to me because whether it be el celine or southeast asia elsi elsaleen some of those districts and of that they you know they got they have concerns that if it doesn't happen they could possibly just and everybody goes to celina or wherever they go uh and i know you know just in speaking with people whether it be in wilson in claflin they don't want to lose there's question didn't want to

053lose their school then i mean nobody wants to lose their school um you know number wise from consolidation we're down 150 odd kids 1.5 million bucks in general fund money um people say kick wilson out okay that's 1.5 to 1.8 million bucks the kids that are gone i'm not sure if that first year would be kind of spooky down here would it not without them them that that cash in hand not saying we wouldn't make it but i'm not saying we would either because each of those students is weighted and you can have a student that's worth their base state eight plus low enrollment weighting and that's it you can have a student that's base state aid plus low enrollment waiting plus transportation pledge free and reduced lunch they've taken some cte classes they might

054be worth 12 or 13 000 so you've got a lot there's a lot there that it's um i mean i i got an unlocked budget and i went through it and just you know hacked off students here and worked you know guests the best i could and uh was 1.5 million and then dr jordan said he felt like it'd probably be closer to 1.8 million please wilson completely yeah and you know one of the things that i wilson has going for is it's all in one building uh pre-k 3 through 12 is in that building uh you know we don't have residual cooks in each building we don't have residual maintenance um custodians that type of stuff anybody got a heavy come on and we can just pull everybody together a little closer that would

055work all right let's are we done on building needs or have we made it is there any decision that we can't really make a decision we can't necessarily say we want to do this as far as eating air or should we i would say no absolutely no action tonight yeah because we didn't put anything you can yeah let's talk about that building needs a little bit of the overcrowding here at the elementary school mrs ozia presented some plans there um does the board have any concerns issues with anything you see that she presented i just know you brought up a walk-in cooler we don't have one here we have a walk-in uh refrigerator what did you need to get rid of it to get rid of some of these freezers i don't but that would

056affect us yeah that should be disgusting because right now we're going to try and start bringing back getting all the kids back in here for lunch next week the breakfast i have over 80 it's already there i can definitely look into getting them i'm going to say or 100. i don't know i tell you what i will get some prices on those and get with you we are trying to not spend as much money it might be something that happens after the new physical year starts in july but we could also that would be an eligible service expense so it wouldn't even have to come out of capital cover that at all with money in any space in your tables yeah excellent more space right like sneak peeks we can be creative yes are money

057yeah but that is a food service expenditure as well there's capital la that you can take out of good service for expense there and it wouldn't have capital yeah and one of the things i mean we have these coolers because people have donated meat and that is one thing in this district that is awesome we have parents and patrons on both ends of the district that donate cows and i can't tell you how much money that saves us by people doing that your dad had donated one i know that um it's uh it's been a great thing so i don't i can't remember everybody that's donated the hips feelings thank you you remember better than i did i just remember but uh i can't believe we put in a tent outside that stems back to

058having a construction class there you go back to a construction class selfishly i want my office in this building because i like it we have enough property here you can build it i know but for what's best for kids my spaces need um our space i should say in the office but if so what other options do you have out there for office space do you explore um i talked to your wife at the basketball game about that area behind the bank uh i don't there's been discussion of moving to wilson uh honestly mr dawson and i talk we don't know the only place that we could potentially put the district office at wilson is in the old learning center and if you were to go out there right now we're using it as a

059storage facility it's really small like mr clark's office would be maybe this corner where it's like boxed off not even big enough to put a dust per say in there the three ladies would have to be out open there wouldn't be a lot of room for all the filing cabinets and stuff um the other people have said well you can move it inside the building i have to now look at moving some rooms around for mrs bourbon and some things like that and i'm starting to wonder exactly where and how i'm gonna move and where i'm gonna be able to keep things and make things functional still um i have some of that some ideas but i don't really know where i would put these four wonderful people in my building first day i taught

060i'd thrown out plum creek yeah plum creek i've looked at plum creek um that medical building was one that had been brought to my attention a year or ago uh i don't know that that's still i think up in the air that's still up in the air and i know the city had some money i thought your brother or somebody was telling me you had money for a remodel of that building potentially yeah is it empty no the clinic is still operating okay yeah that's why it's up in the air okay is there a place big enough and i'm just asking that if we moved the district office that you could potentially move pre-k three and pre-k for that same area and house them like the district office and pre-k three pre-k4 in that and

061free up worm here potentially i don't know i'm asking uh i don't knock nothing near plum creek um haven't you talked about also a day cara wilson yes we had a lady that was taking his face yeah the city of wilson um when i one of the real positives that came out of my coffee up there was a lady and and her name just went right out of my mind allison ford uh city is going to have some money city wilson's going to have 400 to 150 that and there's also some other money covered money that they might be willing to help us uh look at doing a daycare in the community of wilson in our school so uh i've said that and i've talked with mike urban over in claflin uh of the possibility

062of maybe running one out of the old elementary school there he's willing to work with us we might have to provide some transportation for kids say from here or wherever to bushton hollywood wherever to claflin for daycare but [Music] sounds like wilson guess what the holdup could be staggering we don't know we can find somebody to run it and you can't just throw a daycare together and say here's a bunch of kids and here's two adults and we're good my wife used to run a daycare and it's a lot like running a school you got to have fire drills you got to have logs of what you serve them and one of the benefits of having that daycare near your school or in your school the food's right there but again if i'm okay i'm

063looking at teaching in central plains or ellsworth wilson or ellsworth and i've got two kids and i can send them to a daycare at no cost or low cost i might choose that i like the idea of a daycare at the school because of just recruiting younger teachers and i'm i'm all for having high school kids come down and spend an hour with them every once in a while i have some stuff that the daycare would be amazing because they are having to find outside babysitters and stuff and then having to leave early i really feel i'm going to meet with allison next week allison the other allison about that um try to get some firm firm up some plans um on that back to moving your office what about the old grade school but

064right there different county and then we have changed all the tags on all the vehicles uh our home county is ellsworth home county is ellsworth so we would have to do quite a bit of the paperwork but it can be done but there's a lot of work to do to switch to home county we have to work out of course we could do a portable classroom too portable office partner for affordable office those portable classes we could make that the office i mean chase has a modular for their district office that could be i don't know what the cost of being mr clarkson excited about that but i mentioned that as well well they're never temporary they're always there for somebody you know you'll go to a district and they'll have one sitting out there

065and we put that in in 1972 just to hold that class and it's still sitting there and it's kind of getting dilapidated and not looking great i'll look into that i won't hurt you i'll that's why i'm going to get a prize and if you'll get a friday notes this week and instead of a monday notes and i'll everything that was for a classroom that was rent a rental i think i don't know what you could buy one for i'd have to uh i'll do some checking uh i've got i've got some getting some numbers on vape detectors um and they're not cheap i wonder i could run that under yes or money think outside the box yes think outside the box the one thing about a portable uncle is a portable uh space from

066the district office is you really would have to have a little bit of plumbing maybe we could come in to go to the bathroom but it'd be nice to have the sink in the water and go back up to so you don't have a little electric expense there probably electrical i'll do a little work on that okay anything else on building needs did anybody have any concerns or comments on mrs ozier's plan i i'm proud of mrs oak i know that to you brad uh i sent out an email that had some plans and i made some of the plans maybe less tolerable than other principals would like spurred them to come up with some good ideas so congratulations good job i'm proud of you guys jay's going to throw a rock at me uh

067if she had one if she had one so um let's i'll be honest with you the conversation we've had here has led me to rethink what i have up there now um future let's do this under future just just start late naming uh things like one through and we're gonna list one uh let's do put preschool or daycare wilson two district office location three i know i'm sorry no he's still writing i know if you think you're welcome district office district office location staffing capital needs help anybody want to add anything to that i'm going to stop i'm just you know really on the future put it like a what's what's put a zero up on top anywhere and put after that future uh for the students you know the plan for students of this

068district that should be our number one all that other stuff will happen but if we don't have a plan or for our future for our students we're not all the others don't mean anything and what i'm thinking of as i look at that you know things we can cross off if we got a daycare we'll maybe we'll get a daycare central plane get the district office moved that's good but what if staffing is not good then we need to go back to the staffing piece does that make sense i'm trying to develop i'm going to say like a flow chart or something here that the board and district administration building administration can agree that if we get to here and this isn't working we go to this and make this happen does that make sense

069and that kind of rotates over to the plane toby jane anything to add on that list john sherman how do we figure out more of what our communities want how do we get word to them about the facilities and what needs to be done and or what are they willing i mean what do they understand where we are right let's go back to sit in the fact that the committee that he'll create yeah sid i feel like we're just in a stalemate and if it's going to be a stalemate between the north and the south nothing is ever going to get done and so where do we go i mean i think people need to hear that we can't just keep going the way we're going and expect some of these buildings to stay where

070they are they're just not going to continue and i guess i think we've got to get so serious with our community and somehow i don't know community meetings or we probably won't get them but anyway just how can we get and not just the people that have kids in our schools but the grandparents and the everyone else how do we know do they want to keep at school yeah do they want to school we're not going to do any improving i know we felt like heck to put an air conditioning in that old grade school years ago we still don't know them we said yeah we had so many no votes you know because we don't have air conditioning in our well they didn't have air conditioning in their tractors i mean that was the

071big one i understand the farmers and the oil people take the biggest hit when it comes to taxes and bonds and things like that but this is a huge huge thing that we're looking at in my opinion and needs that i feel need to be addressed yes we have a great building out there at the high school i mean but there is it is old and is there seems to be police are we and just i mean yeah you guys have seen this stuff accessibility is done and mean you look at some of those schools and they just read they just did a facelift on and they look brand new and it costs money i know that's not cheap but to get a little pain a little here and there because a long ways eventually

072i mean you talk to people that graduated from cleveland in 1975 and you say what's what do you think of the school looks exactly the same as it did when i walked out in 1975. and it's true and i'm seeing schools knock down buildings that are younger and not as old as this one out here and putting up new and i know our scenario is so different just the configuration of our district and i wish that didn't hold us back from doing what's best for kids and i think we are being held back is five community buy-in for our future like if that's if that's how we're gonna get there and whether that buy-in is we're gonna fork over the money to fix what we have we're gonna pay to put an all new one

073in somewhere in between or we're gonna say this isn't working what's our next if if we can't learn to get along we're only hurting the students ultimately and jane and i have been here a long time and we've heard this from so many people what's your 10-year plan well my 10-year plan is to i want to educate kids the best of their ability in buildings that are safe and long up-to-date and do the thing you know are electrical are good everything operable everything's good that's my 10-year play i mean i didn't say anything about i need a new building i want you know how how did it was our 10-year plan yeah i mean you know what's what's the community's 10-year plan because they're the ones that have to pay for it what's the communities

074here what do they want 20 years or do they you know is that well the sad thing is the community's gonna have to pay for it no matter what happens right if this district closes they're gonna pay for it somewhere else in another district yes because they'll get absorbed in 20 disc and if this district closes other districts grow which they have to expand they gotta have that facelift they have to have that expansion on that other bill yes so districts are going to pay for it no matter what and that's the part that irritates me is you know everybody well i don't want to pay for that you're going to pay for it no matter where you're at you know and i will tell you this i got a lot of kids um young

075and old i like my small school i've went to bigger schools and i've went to smaller schools and i'd like to see this district state whether we come to one or we stay how we are that's the reason why i moved back to kansas city very well said john it wasn't because of the money trust me and you think i mean we do have people coming back yeah and i think it is just what you said they want their kids in a community that cares for their kids in a school that's the size of our schools they don't want 75 kids in kindergarten or that they can send their kids to the swimming pool or the splash pad and not worry about what's going to happen so are they willing to like you say they're

076the ones that are going to pay for it right we can come up with all the plans and all the bells and whistles and everything else ultimately what does the community community is because it's more violent no community because our district is right a community thank you we are a school district not a district of schools i've said that since the first day i stepped foot in here we are a school district and that encompasses buildings in communities without schools and that's one thing that you'll see me get i get a little worked up over is i don't know i don't care where that kid comes from i want to give him the best education possible i wish people would listen to our discussions i wish the communities would know how it is i wish

077they would talk to people that were on that configuration committee because they would see people i mean people come up and they say well why don't you just do this it's like it was that easy it would have been done correct yes so like roger said when the configuration committee was founded and they did their their study and did all the things our world's changed a little bit since then the that's the thing that you can have 10-year plans it's going to this this this you know your air conditioner's going to die and then coca's going to hit and then you're going to have a tornado come through and tear up buses you know all kinds of stuff that happens and you just have to change course there is not a straight path in education

078there's not a straight line it's kind of it goes back to and i maybe i don't know if i said this is the border the coffee i've talked too much at times a lot of times people want to make educating kids like building a car you just do this you do this you do this and then the car rolls out and it's roadworthy but not every piece do we get is perfect and we have to but we've got to make it perfect and we've got teachers that do a great job with that uh they need to you know it's that goes back to the legislature and all the nutty things they're doing right now but i'm i what's that get busy living or get busy dying you know that's what we got to do and

079it isn't simple i think roger when he was talking to me today my was sitting there thinking why in the world did i ever sign up what are you thinking that roger oh i knew what i was doing and you did it i actually i say that facetiously i never know i i i've said this 15 times the whole darn thing comes back every though what we're all we're talking about is you can't disagree with anything that's been said but if we don't have the staff to do it under plan right now staffing drives our decision making four classes up at wilson do we have teachers for four classes or do we foresee the possibility of having teachers for the main four classes or english or math or science uh sitting here right now i

080don't believe we unless you know we hire somebody we will have all what i would consider social studies science math english in our junior senior high school failed unless we hire so do we need to focus on that and what are we going to do to cover that core box for those four classes or will you guys figure that out let if we cannot find a staff we will have to figure it out if we have a plan b in place before the last minute i think our plan b would be since this i think she said c c yeah we need to have a plan c is that what you're saying here well yeah like do we need to have a concrete plan or if we can't get this happening and instead of waiting

081until the last minute does that make sense and i think if you look up there what do we do if we're unable to get staff distance learning do you need to set a timeline like if we don't have applications and teachers what is the timeline for that that we need to i would hire if i needed a staffing school and i would hire them the day before school i don't know i think she means at what point do we invest our money effort training our teachers into facilitating the distance teaching is that what you're saying at what point do we say we've waited long enough just so that we have a plan like do we need to start talking to another school about a co-op if we can't fight like so that we don't wait

082until august first first to get there like oh you're making this decision so is your first distance teaching utilizing our own teachers within the district and then you roll to if we don't have that position at either high school you then go out of district like what does that map look like and at what point you do i say you utilize our own teachers and then if we don't if that can't work then you look to utilize teachers in other districts or from service centers says dexter having their own yeah some boy i tell you it hamstrings you though because you know they're doing what they're doing when they're doing it utilize teachers from uh service centers well it's nice if you also have someone that's using the same curriculum that you're used to like

083if we're using envision math at wilson i know central plains is using envision map i i mean there we go we gotta you know if you go to something you're not 100 sure what they're gonna curriculum and then if if we get to that point there's gonna need to be a little give and take between both buildings on schedules so they are fairly lockstep toby did you hear me on that okay i just said if it came to the distance learning you're going to have to have a fairly lockstep sketch and that's going to be not everybody's getting what they want but they all get what's best for kids if you if we present to our staff look if we can't fill our staff would you rather teach distance or close students and i would

084hope they would take the distance everything i would hope so too well that's something too can we initiate like we talked about working with great bid for our distance learning companies that's something we could potentially enact sooner than later potentially i'd prefer to do it in our own district for the core classes uh nothing against great bend or anything but that way we don't have to give up any of the fte i agree i'll give up fte for science because i can't hire a science teacher but if i've got a math teacher i would just use that one it's not sure technology face to face and here's the thing what's gonna but what's a little interesting about this is if we have patrons or whoever comment of i'm not doing that i'm gonna take my

085kids to xyz district xyz districts probably not any better off than we are in finding math teachers english teachers whatever teacher we might need to find mr clark don't you have area meetings or yeah i have one this coming friday i would suggest maybe you bring it up to your fellow suits about staffing and uh it's already on the agenda funny you should but maybe sharing sharing though like i said we talked about sharing that family advocate with chase uh believe it or not that is something that this district probably does really need to look into getting is somebody that can help some of these parents maneuver i think education parenthood um getting their kid to school type activities you know when you get a call and the parent says i can't get my kid

086out of bed but my dad's a great guy lover on clark to death that didn't happen in my house probably didn't happen in years either so uh but we have we do have issues like that going back to this schedule like this so i throw my two cents in i i have girl reservations with the block scheduling um i would personally like to see it stay as is just because i feel like if the kid misses things so much because they can't hold back their teaching and then you don't have them again and i know you've said like having kids have to change their focus and shift their focus they need to learn how to do that i have to do that every day in my job i have 45 minutes with one patient see

087the total net knee total hip go see a wound because i mean it's you know at least eight different patients having to shift my focus and we talked about if if there was a possibility of front loading some stuff you know in the morning and then some classes construction over block schedule type deal uh i would get i mean there toby if you guys had a discussion you have you guys had your meeting yet we haven't had our meeting about scheduling yet we're sort of waiting to we're guys right here okay trust us it's on our counter to be at some time well i think the board wants us to try to staff we can't staff any distance if that doesn't work and we totally fall apart and that we have to look at other

088options because without people just like you go to a fast food restaurant now and they might not have dining inside because they don't have enough people so when we look at distance learning we're just doing teaching do we look at shared schedule separate schedules or open the box to whatever and anything that we can come up with right now i think you have the task of trying to get four classes that bill can go back and forth but you better build some flexibility in that in case there has to be another one added or two added or whatever and because because as much as this could flip one way it could flip back the other way next year you know if a social studies teacher or whatever retires on either end of the district and

089we're unable to find one math is actually one if you look at that chart i gave you there's a ton of math people but i pulled up on kansas teaching jobs today math positions and there's probably 250 of them and when we got 69 i think maybe who's that my niece emma okay is she interested in teaching she nope not down here she's already got a job she was out that's a lot of joe if you call i mean i've been calling and a lot of them what you call the college of education at the different universities they'll say a lot of minority have jobs or offered jobs when they student taught some schools say i still have applicants i think when i called hayes hayes told me that he had 85 elementary positions potentially

090um and they try to send them close to where their home is ideally that's they usually want to go back to that when i've called out secondary things out of curiosity a lot of them say they've already had a job when they student taught the district paid them up front gave them a signing bonus to come do their student teaching here and then you know so so again when we go back to talking about schedules and the possibility of distance teaching and everything it kind of all comes back to we need to make sure and communicate with the teachers and try to listen and work with them and not and make them feel valued and make them feel like their opinion is valued because we want to maintain a positive environment so one of the

091questions i've been asked with this discussion of well okay if we can't find the staffing then we're gonna ask the science teacher the math teacher whoever to pick up an extra class or to maybe not even just one class but to distance teach how do we it adds a whole other layer of complexity to their teaching day it is different to teach that hybrid lesson and it's um well they've done some of that during covid that was like nationwide crisis this is a little bit different and so is there something we can do differently for those teachers who are being asked to do extra and to go above and beyond part of negotiations is we are going to negotiate a stipend for those teachers that teach a class in another building via distance learning and

092for every class that they do that's whatever that stipend might be but we're going to negotiate that i guess above and beyond that too even because we've talked about how you know for a lot of our teachers they're here because they want to be here and not just because of money so just making sure we do whatever he's i tell you what and correct me if i'm wrong and mr dawson and i went over the budget thing a week or two ago i did a zoom with a whole district and you said i sent you the powerpoint i did i guess i forgot it did that i think it went over pretty well i mean we kind of got an idea oh okay this is how we get our money type of thing no [Music]

093to another building district so that first word is distance this is this distance distance yes sorry that's okay i inherited my father's handwriting college kids currently and some going into college to be in education are schools growing their own and if they are what does that look like you know like like some businesses they'll pay you you know to go to college if you'll come work for us for five years at some schools so any kids that might be listening or parents if your kid is going to school to be a teacher they come to this district we can get them student loan relief for teaching in low low income low you know rural setting some are even getting scholarships yeah throws instances out there i don't do we have our foot in the door

094with any colleges to offer student teaching hey if you'd like to place your student teacher we'd love to house them down hayes in particular but usually because i don't think there's that many up there well and usually anymore like the kids tend to seem to go back home to student teach where like when i was in emporia i just went over to levo but now a lot of kids will if they're from they're going to hayes and they lived in waukeenie they go back to waukeen he lived with mom and dad's student teach they don't my parents dr piggy back over daniel said earlier i called about a teaching position and they had kids that were still in school that were under contract already people had already cabbage them and signed them to a contract

095before they even graduated before they used to talk so you have to can we do that well we can you have to get your foot in the door now you're paying extra salary and just like you know we keep talking we're overstaffed we've got too many staff total but not in the right areas so you're paying somebody that doesn't know that they're paying but they open the door also would like to almost feel like a dollar sign here because like now we do unfortunately when you look at our base value to other base salaries i can throw them a starting base 1 34 588 plus 6 000 worth of insurance paid plus a 25 000 life insurance policy and add all that up but when someone looks at the actual base of another district that

096may be two three four five thousand dollars more when you look at base to base i'm gonna pick the one that's five or six thousand dollars more potentially than here and i had a really good applicant and i lost him because of salary and some other things and i mean and and i'll go back i'll piggyback off him why is it that our base is that's what it is and not four or five thousand dollars more why is it because we have more staff where are we overstaffed at where's the actual numbers at what do we have because we're just because of the duplicates of what we've got yeah there's our efficiency i mean when we got classes at three nine six how do you stand back for six kids we could pay more you

097know in the right places if we didn't have the redundant stop i guess take that 10 teachers times 30 000 or whatever all right let's do let's do one quick i mean and this will never happen uh how many second graders do you have right now mrs do you know i'm sorry 25. i have the numbers oh you do okay how many second graders do you have right now i have so i believe 10 to 12. so let's say that's 12. 37 divided by 2 perfect two perfect size classes well i was already sitting down if you made one facility go through and just how many [Music] three libraries food service libraries administration i mean like i said said the 50-year plan would be you know plan for 50 years i wouldn't be opposed to

098one school the 50-year plan like right you know that's not today we're going to figure other stuff out well when sid was here he was talking about the 50 years yeah it's a generational a generation like right now you say that but in 50 years what's to say that that mentality isn't now if i want to go back to two separate i mean there's no way you can project the mentality of people that you know and stuff in 50 years and we would like to say that's great but i mean the mentality of people could never change the kids are starting to get that mentality too now it's hard to you know change that perception of what needs to happen versus what we want i think that goes back to number five up there community

099buy-in until we figure out how to get there our 50-year plan doesn't matter when we do something that upsets them they're just gonna someone else is gonna run and we're gonna start over from scratch right and so until we can figure out how to act as one district it's all i don't think we can get buy-in to be efficient and to maximize our impact on the students until we figure out how to get people to trust that the district really is looking out for the kids so i kind of i feel like that goes back to our configuration maybe configuration report because a big part of boards and culture is trust and part of trust is if i tell you what i think happened or needs to happen then you listen that my opinion is

100valued and matters well we had a committee that gave us their opinion we need to show how we're we're actually utilizing it i agree that's why you have a copy of it at your desk tonight let's show our communities that their opinions matter all right if you look straight by waiting new central office we can say after this year we'll have done that land transfer not something i necessarily want to do we'll have to be very careful with how we move the district's and how much if we rent a building or purchase a portable building or anything how much money we spent on that absolutely machines are that used to be the superintendent's office and uh the central law where debbie uses the central office and uh where i am i think was the principal's

101law so that i mean that's how it used to be in 1964 right i think the superintendent's office was where the coffee machine was and the principal's officers were where i am and long-term correct i'll have to call i'll call some mid-state see what talk about if you switch to counties it scares me thank you it just means a lot of people if it needs to be done it needs to be what if it's a lot cheaper than i could just drive down the street to work yeah i there you go but if it's a lot cheaper than getting another building or something and maybe it's ten thousand versus fifty thousand i don't know well and whether or not i mean maybe maybe hollywood or maybe platt the city of claflin would be willing to

102work with us as a district on as far as rent or as far as you know okay you guys an office in normal elementary building or if there's a building on main street you know here that they would be able to do that at a reduced cost you know to get us by do we go back to no nobody wants to but we everybody knows that two high schools is our biggest expense and it's all the supplements it's all the activities it's the business it's the teachers it's everything so you know make a lot of cuts there and we can raise the salary for the teachers that we have we can't find space for the district office how we're going to find space for everybody in class as far as adding a few kids to

103the rooms as opposed to actually giving up so you're talking about overlaying and combining like your freshman classes versus creating new offices like carving out space versus more efficiently using space for the same purposes so she's saying what about what if we circle back to one high school like at the root of our challenges is the duplication of staffing and brad said that we're having trouble finding space for the district office but it's a little bit different when you have to give up a big chunk of space for your office that's how many kids are in the price we have we have 42 at the height at the 9th through twelve level um we have 69 i think seven through twelve but i have a class of 22 freshmen toby has a class of 28

104freshmen that's 50 freshmen okay you cannot put 50 freshmen in one classroom you can't you can put 25 it's tight in some of our rooms so then that becomes do we now have to have four freshman english classes to accommodate 50 kids do we need to have i mean or you know so then you have to look at yeah you may have one english teacher now or two english teachers but what's their course load like are you gonna still have to have three english teachers because we're gonna have to have one english teacher teach junior high english we're gonna have to have one english teacher that's gonna teach freshman sophomore one english teacher who teaches sophomore you know senior in that case if you look at that you're not potentially saving anything you have to

105have the statement number of staff to to do that potentially i'm saying you can't manipulate it to whittle it down but that's a potential if you want moderate class sizes with you know ample learning opportunities and whatnot am i wrong toby no because i thought we know we've talked about that before uh if every kid if every kid from central plains and wilson was in one they'll say it's all going to look like 50 fresh that's that'd be awesome yeah it would be awesome but we'd have at least three english ones we could give my way to uh seventh and eighth grade you could probably get by with two teachers their load would dramatically increase if you take so then i go back i go back to the argument of is it better to lost

106your contract with somebody we lost a couple families yeah that's right numbers were 28. what was that i mean 28 kids what year did not at the building yeah but at the community that at the time we were looking at the numbers it was 20 28 kids from the community it's pretty clear nobody wants to travel in all those surveys yeah and that's where it gets to be a sticky wicket because your students and i do get that argument whether it be people at claflin who say our travels do not take us up toward wilson and people in wilson who say our travels don't take us down toward cleveland it's more of an ellsworth slide of russell hoisington great bend melonwood bushton trap we're talking about doctors and shopping yes and we get that but

107that's why we're here like keep coming back to it something's gonna have to give i got a hard time football teams two basketball teams all the costs associated with all that two football fields but the gyms we're paying double when it's like i said ten we could put that money elsewhere get better teachers get more teachers pay our teachers more yeah and i know it's a it's just gonna have to be figured out nobody wants to do it so if you do a contract with another district to send high school kids to their district do you also have a price you pay for them to participate in the extracurriculars that's included yeah i i just i did just get that one today and i have not had a chance to read it thoroughly but one

108i mean and again if we contracted with another district that wouldn't be said like the parents wouldn't have to do that let me ask you this if if whether you know i i don't know what the people just say i'm not going to go there because that's where they want me to go or i don't have a pretty good well i wouldn't be in favor of contracting because there's no advantage to it i think what you're talking about is wilson could be so i represent wilson so i wouldn't be in favor of if i would the board would decide that then i would push to succeed in the district there's no advantage for wilson and this district confirms kids will need to go to school in this district wherever you succeed to i don't know

109but you have to find somebody to take you you still have you'd still have an elementary though yeah because see that's one of the things again you might count them as your fte but then you give that money to the other districts you get zero so you would want to so you're losing money you're not losing money is it just zero because you're not educated yeah you're you're you're you're saying okay you're taking you're basically a flow through you're saying this kid this kid this kid this is what they you know these kids bring in this house and you give them the thousands yeah just for simple math yes yes you can show it on your books and then diane or whoever would have to check them creatively or make us right it would wouldn't

110save us about the only thing it'd save you is you wouldn't have extracurriculars and you wouldn't have you would never stop dollars yeah you would have staff and you'd only pay out for the students that went to that district right yeah so if a parent decided to send their kid to a different district they that other district would collect they would count them on september 11th and get their money and we wouldn't count isn't that a different scenario lewis had their own district mexico had their own district they still have each of their boards don't they i think and that may be wrong and so they're actually going to another district no they're saying that i was saying if if it was like if if humans are unwilling to come contracting ellsworth or celina oh

111yeah then we wouldn't have a cat well we still have cafeteria because we have the elevators so they still basically you would save your high school staff and your coaches on that site athletic director you'd still have to have a principal that administrators how you were saying not that i'm trying i talked to greg reinhardt's superintendent maxwell today i know pretty well so they can still send their kids whichever direction or to the contract school if like if they live over endurance wanted to go to russell and if what we were contract with ellsworth or sylvan or whoever if we did that would we have to transport they would transport because they would they would get the transportation do whatever they need to do and they said no i don't want to go there but

112i want to go to central point or i'll still be in usual i want [Music] actually i don't even know thinking about it why would you contract you are still call me old-fashioned but i still consider i mean i consider all those kids still ours and i want to try to get them if they're not going to be in our district for this i want to try to get them try to facilitate facilitate a good education for them but i understand your point and you said we would we would count them in our the way if i'm not mistaken let me i'll go back and like i said i haven't had a chance to read that in depth we had a calendar meeting after school is they count them and then whatever they bring in

113that goes to the other district yeah so like i know this is going to aggravate people and if i had a better analogy i would or a better way of explaining it so like when kasha does like the class of class ranking rate whatever breakdown and they do head count would a contracted student count for the head count central planes or in school that they went to i think it would count it was just like for fun it changes yeah it changes their classification for that sport in that aspect in like wrestling in like uh gulf and tennis and things like that you can co-op so it would be and then they would pull apart so if that was the case you could do that here but that wouldn't be the case so yeah it

114would bump them up you would take their numbers they would bump them up with classification potentially or two yeah yeah yeah oh yeah that's i was just right i don't know but keisha would take the school's numbers from that day and sometimes you get into the thing where they don't want to take the kids because it bumps them up a class or whatever and they don't want to play 4a we want to play three we don't want to play 2a we want to play three we want to play 2a and that's where having a contract would come in to where they'd have to they would have to accept those students so you wouldn't have a student stranded that didn't have a district right yeah so that's where the contract helps facilitate a smoothie and i

115guess that's that and in actuality you know if you look at it in a sense and this is it could be seen in it for a bigger district if you took in 50 kids it's kind of just uh it's a little bit of a moneymaker in a sense because they probably aren't going to have to add any um i still go back to if i wish you know if we could figure out if anybody was for one thing in the middle but that we asked that were you not were you a part of that one with gary seacrest that time and tony had brought that up to the group that was a pretty resounding note yeah but i think that it goes back to until we overcome some of the lack of trust that we

116have that's going to continue to be a no so do we need to challenge board members to go out and go door to door and talk to people or because i mean city meetings is basically like our school board meetings and who knows i have a question and toby and jane and daniel you asked what why is there a lack of trust why what i have been told it is always in their perception we get the shaft it always goes to the south and we don't get to favor upon you you heard that tuesday you know we it's always we want to get rid of wilson so therefore people in our community feel like if they work in ellsworth they don't want to leave their kids in the world and they want to get it

117it's also because all this is a stable building wilson can't see a building right now but tomorrow the board might decide so foreign my building that's the perception that i have from some of my staff members and even from some of my families whether it's wrong right and different whatever it is that's how they feel um and if their community wants that build that community will bend over backwards you know for that building and will help do whatever it needs to be done i had a lady very concerned when you gave your example of a brand new rope and she was like she called me and said please tell me if you have insurance for like a roof and stuff if you need it yes yes i mean so they're very concerned about that building

118in their school this is the god's honest truth that's one of the reasons that i and i would encourage people on the south end i don't get great turnout for my coffees down here i do i usually always do at wilson uh this last one was a big turnout between facebook live and people in in in person is with grown-ups and it stems back all the way before that one came into the picture and i'll be honest i'll get angry probably with this but we've lost a hell of a lot on this end and i was a part of it all the way through and that's where i get frustrated that they say at wilson that they get shifted i mean my voice felt like if we need something on this then great if we

119can get it great if they need something on there and get it i'm all for i enjoy working with the staff at wilson always have they've got great kids why shouldn't they try well who doesn't want to keep their buildings but to say we've lost a great school a district office a middle school we lost our identities we lost a lot and went through a lot and all the moves we made and starting over and so that's where i get frustrated i'm here for kids period and if we can't get our communities to be here for kids then so be it our buildings won't be here forever and this district won't be here forever until people get off their high horses and just figure out what's best for kids and it's really exciting because i've

120invested a lot of my years here because i love it here love it never would want to go anywhere else but it's so frustrating when we just do nothing it's like banging your head against a brick wall you can only do that so long i i appreciate working with these other two administrators mr hart i'm brand new i call them alive they don't get frustrated with me they say here's what we do we work well as a team and we all love ourselves we want our kids to be successful oh i don't care if it's a place kid if it's a central education it's a wilson i want the kids to be successful i've asked for things and i've gotten them because they're successful they help kids be successful they help my teachers be successful

121period i don't care who where money gets spent as long as kids are getting educated and kids become model citizens for their city state nation whatever i mean i think that's always the this board is pretty well educated on all the issues that the community is on and yeah so i kind of look at it as you need to do your job in educating involves as well as the students i know you can't put them all together but if you if you start telling people what all the issues are the passion that you people have with education and you want to keep your communities here and you educate them as to what they can do i think you go a long way in advancing your position if people are guessing they're not certain what's going

122on rumors stick over but i think the way you get bond issues fast things forward is you have the ideas come from here the community's got to be educated in some kind of group fashion otherwise you're like you are hitting your head against the law yeah that's that's just my perspective from an outsider you've got a lot of good things going on um i think your your communities would be very disappointed if they learned your staff or something like trade jobs to keep your school industry that's that's just disappointing to me and i'm not in the district that's very well said that disappoints me and it disappoints me that that tamara doesn't want to give in to maybe i don't know what we're worried about but to change the schedule we've got to do what

123we need to do we keep coming back the same we're going to educate the kids well let's do what we need to do then teachers will adjust they have done for ever since education has been around we can't just we have to do what's best for kids we keep everybody in here says this repeatedly then let's do it don't make excuses let's just do something here in a positive way that's going to help do what we continue to say educate kids it was to build one building let's get together get out in the community sell it or if it's some other you know whatever we're doing now let's sell it and make it the best we can but we can't continue to come up with reasons not to do stuff we need to do stuff

124going back to the kids now all everybody has said something very positive and correct in all those things we can't just continue to talk about it what we've been doing for 60 years and do something and dalton came you know we're doubling up on everything gyms teams all those things and i i've evolved recently and maybe one building out ridge view is maybe that's the way to go even though we'd have building settings paying for an acs you know all that stuff i know that but maybe that's a way to you know buy some ground out there from somebody we know exorbitant prices now i'm kidding but you know maybe what well do something that hasn't been done hey that's fine don't have to go far do you feel like there would be more buy-in

125to that long-term plan if we could show stepping stones to get there and is the first step on that path to have one high school where we try to gauge what is the buy-in from all of the communities and if we state this is our this is our end game is one building here's where we'd like to put it this is what it's going to cost us how many kids are we going to have when we get there so if we have that one high school and we ride that for two three five years i don't know what that timeline is would we have a better gauge of what the scale of that building needs to be so that we really know what the price tag is going to be on that because if when

126when we rip that band-aid off and we lose half of our students from everywhere if nobody buys in we just paid a premium for small classes it's a good possibility to put it between halfway through here in wilson i think you're just gonna lose a ton of kids i don't just plot other options there might be but i'm not disagreeing with you i mean there might be but like you said what if we put a brand new school on the kids leave a nice building you know nobody in it well i think you make it so they want to be there good enough that you have the opportunity for a kid of endless stuff as learning think you'll get more than what you think you really would and i think allison's right i think that

127would that would be a good way to gauge because i have the same fear and i think you would have more buy-in and i think it would be a good way to get the kids on board and it you would feel easier about moving that transition and it wouldn't be just ripping the band-aid off and does it give us an opportunity to build a community in the school even closer in it yeah before we're all in that building together maybe in in that full-on one building i don't know it's it's just a thought of it's it's a lot to me to jump from where we are now to let's pass a huge bond because that is substantial so if we close questions if say for instance that what you're saying i think you're saying is

128to have one high school for until that new maybe a new building is built or something like that well that one high school is down here those people i don't think from wilson are going to travel because we all need you around the committee it's not going to happen it may i may be wrong are they going to travel to the one building i think yeah because it's halfway everybody is traveling i don't know that it works and that's what i mean that was my point as well is that okay so if we say we close up one building and we said can we close claflin and all the high schools in wilson or we closed wilson and it's all in in claflin i mean we don't have trust now how we're going to tell

129people like people in claflin just come up to wilson for a little bit and we'll get that the other one filled but they're not going to believe that you say it the other way around wilson's not but we can't get them to to believe that we want to continue the district let alone you know do something like that tonight so i don't think i think in theory and in concept yes that that would help a lot and tell us okay yeah if we did it and we kept 90 of the kids from whichever way it went then yeah okay that makes sense but yeah and practice if we do it and i mean i wouldn't believe it i would think it would be fair oh set a clear plan honestly that's what everybody keeps asking

130what's your plan what's your plan what's your plan well i feel like that sets a clear long term and so that would get more buy-in does that does anybody know how because i don't some of those districts uh i'm thinking of the one out north and east of emporia northern is northern heights you know that's out in the middle of nowhere around you yeah uh you look at the one i was telling you i drove by um how did they i mean southwestern yeah maybe they didn't have other options like people do around here that are within how many of those districts have done that in the last 40 years it is northern heights is going through a lot of the same pains that we are my brother-in-law used to be the superintendent there and

131they were trying to close another building so it's not i don't know how many any uh districts that are built new buildings out in the middle of nowhere in the last 30 or 40 years there might be i think there's been some in western kansas that have built some county stalls they have counties there are several counties but how long has that been that they were there but if you go out like what we're talking about like southwestern heights or northern heights or southeast slain all right who's who has done that in greece history southeast of saline built their elementary or excuse me el celine southeast and i get those two mixed up sorry yeah they they built their elementary school close to saline else el yeah but i don't know how long that building's

132been there yeah they're they're right up there on i-70 just a mile or two yeah because they get they're different yeah they're they're elementary sits up there on this one heavy corner that's i think the challenge is roger kind of goes back to yes we all want to do what's best for kids we just have different opinions for what's best for kids obviously do we put on the next board agenda discussion of this to give people a i think we chance to i mean you've got some information that you're following i'm going to get i'm going to get i uh but i think it gives you a chance to talk to i'm sure after this meeting your constituents will probably get a hold of you i would hope yeah it's on youtube uh and say

133hey this is and again we are a school district you cannot just i mean as board members yeah you represent wilson you represent outside clapham inside clapham bushton you're still responsible for every kid in this district i truly feel that that as a district if we want to exist we have to find a way in the next five ten years whatever that is is to to keep trying to find those solutions that we can better use the resources that we have without isolating that community again because i don't think and i'm almost sure that as a district we cannot afford to lose any kids from any part of the booster if we go in and we close platform and we lose 50 of those kids the rest of us won't survive if we go and

134we close wilson and you lose 50 of those kids we're not going to survive we can't afford we just can't there's no numbers that have ever been put in front of me we're losing that many kids no matter which direction we go that this district can't survive longer than two years so we need to find a solution that helps that and i i believe that the distance learning and those opportunities and using those resources helps that and i 100 believe that it is a step in the direction of providing the education in doing the things that the configuration study group would like us to look at it may not be word for word what is in the report of the suggestion but i think that it's taking that information and creating something that we as

135a board who are in the numbers all the time and in the information in the administration who is obviously in it every day in merging those two things together will it can i say it'll work no idea but i did it but it's an opportunity that could work and it has great potential i also think that it would go this direction with the distance learning is that we're not the only district that's in this situation i think that it gives us the opportunity that we could use those resources to help other districts which in return would help us if they have we have a calculus class that we're teaching remote distance and there's a student in brewster that wants to be able to take that class they could take that class with our district and

136we could get paid i think there's a lot of opportunity there that if we take these steps that we could use and it's not it's not a well i'm going to screw claflin i'm going to screw screw wilson because you know 60 years ago my second cousin did something that i didn't like it's finding that opportunity growing with it now i don't want us to see you have to do the core classes i don't because that's a different situation but if we don't have a teacher then we have those resources to do it but that's we won't have any of those resources if we don't have a district and is it different sure so working remotely was different in january of 2020 and now a very large percentage of the country works remotely and it

137works we just have to try it which is the four classes that mr clark has talked about and see what works what doesn't work and learn from it and adjust from it and try to use that knowledge to better use the resources that we have and keep this district open and i will step down for myself we're not reinventing we're not inventing anything it already goes on all over the nation and it's just a resource it's just an option if we can't supply our own staff and there have been times where we have had since i've been on the board where we have had a concern where we couldn't find a teacher and we did or we didn't for half a you know half a year or a year we didn't have that teacher and

138we found ways to do it and this would be one of those ways to be able to help that and so i don't i don't want this district's in general prejudice against groups to affect that i think that we can still continue to try to figure out how the heck we're going to pay for these buildings and it not affect this if we don't do anything and we say okay you know we're we're done with this because we you know have to spend 58 000 to fix a air conditioning unit then we're just screwing ourselves across the board and i and i and i want to continue these conversations and we need to we need to figure out something on the capital side we need to figure out what we're going to do and i

139and i like the the talks of trying to figure out is that one building is that whatever but i don't want that to get in the way of trying to figure out how we use what we've got so that's i have a question or a thought on that what would board members think about having a community meeting in your represented community like a board member led yeah what like a legislative type copy concept you would have roger dustin and uh tamara would kind of be together you're gonna be by yourself maybe chad could jump in chad you might jump in at hollywood or could go to any of the others and say you know here's some of the things we're discussing let's give us some feedback it's kind of cameras door-to-door idea but everybody comes

140to one door instead of you going to everybody's door yeah that's my only fear is that it would greatly appear differently okay but it all but you know what and it might also be good if roger came to one in hollywood when josh went to one in wilson or something you know all i mean josh has got a unique perspective he lives in the community where a school was closed uh you know i think his insight and knowledge into that could be effective it sucks you don't want to do it something just putting out there yeah i think i mean i think that'd be good but it's a good point that you know have an organized effort of what information is brought up and discussed questions what questions asked maybe have somebody there taking notes

141while you're having that conversation so i think we'll just continue the conversation in the next board meeting we had a really good discussions and so i think we need to continue this because you've got some numbers to get and that kind of thing and like i said it gives us time to have discussions with our teachers and our parents and voters and all that so that worked for work so if there's nothing else entertaining motion rogers there's a second second by the camera i'll save your hand thanks