Board Meeting Special Call Meeting, 9:8:2025 Part B

001And one whole item on our agenda, this consideration of possible approval approval Pitton High School bond project field house budget. Who am I turning this over to? >> Uh I think me first and then we're going to let the Hughman builders come in and talk a little bit. So um and you guys are aware of this. I sent you the the budget that was presented uh last week, but well, there's a there's a couple things that I want to just begin by saying as we as we start our conversation. Um because this project has been one that has um meandered a little bit. Uh it's one that began 5 years ago and um in the process of you know what what was proposed 5 years ago we've had um changes in superintendents, we've had changes

002of coaches, we've had changes of board members. Um, the budget that uh that I emailed to you last week that we were looking at is the project as it stands right now. Um, there's been numerous conversations throughout this process of things to add, things um, that would be good to put in. Um, I will have to say you're going to you're going to see probably I'm going to have the Huseman's present really two budgets for you. There's the one I sent last week, but they've also prepared one that's within budget. So there is there is a within budget option and I think what it's going to come down to is going to come down to us deciding um just what we want to add. So there is a a budget based on some of the

003things we wanted. There's a within budget option that does give us some of what we wanted and some not. and we can decide what we want to do with that. Um, as far as um funds, we have, you know, when when we initially sold bonds, we had um an estimate of about 1.2 million in interest that we would earn off the bonds in uh being in CDs about 6 months ago. And and Miss Morz, tell me if I'm wrong in any of this. About six months ago, we checked again and we were estimating because because interest rates were staying high, we were going to earn about 1.6 and now we're we're at an estimate of about $2 million that we're going to earn off of the interest of the of the bonds. So, I think

004the funds are available to do what we want. But really what our job tonight is going to be is to take a look at the project and decide what we want to include and what we don't. I, you know, like I said, I think we have the funds to do what we want, but we decide we have to look at each one and decide, do we want to leave this option in? Do we want to take it out? At the and at the end of the night, we need to have a budget approved so that the Husman's can get started. I mean, once we vote for an approved budget, they can get started building. Um, so at this point, I'm going to invite the to come on up and let's talk let's talk through the

005budgets. Hman builders Um, yeah, we got a microphone over here. Really, wherever you're comfortable, Greg, we can put that mic. Okay. >> Yeah. Well, thanks for having us to talk about the budget on on the fields and we have uh you know been pricing this out for a month or so. They given price and we've had a really good uh response from contractors and suppliers which was really good. Uh but uh one one thing we've talked about is you know I think I went and did did an estimate on this. I think it's about five and a half million. >> Yeah. >> When it first start created the the budget that the factory. So uh you want to start on on that budget and >> um yeah let's start with what >> yeah let's start

006there >> talk through some of the story >> but as you know I think originally uh it seems like when when the original Canadian stuff was together part of the concern was that in the past athletic stuff you know kind of in the community. So I don't think the you know that the main focus was on the academics and so we got to the athletic stuff I I think uh it would work that with some caution and the original committee you know as far as the size of fieldhouse and everything and implementation was thought about a lot by the committee So, but as you know being a little bit ahead of of of this budget is you know the you know as we move through the process and and individuals change and things change. We

007kind of went through a journey to and ended up where where we are today with a lot of a lot of questions and like what would this cost and what would that cost? >> Yes, sir. and uh and we think we've priced out all of those things and have them on the on on the the options to choose from. So, but one thing I like to do is you know because this budget was done a while back and and you know you're trying to forecast the future which you know so the way we do that we go in we'll look at what things cost at the present was five years ago and then you think about what what uh the increases would be based on what we're seeing out there in the market and and

008I think with with the prices and when we go out and look at at an estimate that we or price on a project we've done like for concrete or or steel or or painting whatever then you look at that and uh and if it's similar to to the project we're looking at versus a project you know it's similar on our price we got in in the in the past and then the near the near past or near when you do the estimate and then you look out and I think on this one we put somewhere between a 35 and 40% increase on uh on those prices is what we thought would would happen. Then on top of that, we go out and put an inflation number that we think is going to happen. And also

009we put a contingency number to try to get to where our price would be for for the project. It's kind of but if I if I look at what the uh what we estimated uh you know five years ago or more and then I compared 10 and we priced everything out today, you know. So, I'm going to try to take what we have priced out with building that that uh that that uh the floor plan. You know, I think we were I think we had gone through somewhere between 15 and 20 revisions on the floor plan to get where we are. We've got a lot of discussion and a lot of thought by everybody to to get to where we're but if we take this building which is a little bigger than what we originally

010started with. Mhm. >> So if you take and you take the price that we have today on on this and you apply it uh to to to this budget, I I look at that, you know, the the uh the the estimate was 4,432,750 [Music] and then we we had a budget in there for $250,000 for the cheese and you know that actually came from not from us but from the AD >> you know so you know so that that's put in there. That's really not our number. But but if you put those together, you got 5,82,700 for the budget for for the project, what what we were looking at. But if you go down through here, you know, you have the original cost that we have in here of that item at the very top,

011project A is at 4,396,000. And when I go down through there, the the first one is number one. And along the way, the weight house got bigger. The weight room got bigger and about 1,500 square feet. About 1,400. So we we we wonder what what that would cost if if we took that, you know, if let's say the budget became an issue or something. And so so and that so we took we're taking that out because that doesn't really fit the original the original bill because that got bigger. So we we took a negative there. And uh if you look at the item selected, if there's a one or a yellow, you know that that is unselected, but all the others are zeros, which are things that have been priced out that's not selected for

012the for for the budget of the building that was priced out. I go so if I go down through all all those items, which we will go through all the items later, but I go down and select uh like item number 12, which is operator, electric operator. We basically have that on on one door, you know, the rest will all the other overhead doors will be handled. I put a little money in there for that. Trophy cases, you know, crashed out the trophy cases, got 16 foot of trophy cases in there, which about what we would figure. Um then then we get to the parking lot. So if we the the discussion then was the parking areas in two areas. There's one on the very west side of the bleachers down beside on the on

013the east side of the road the the back side of the bleachers. We put putting parking there which is about 23,000 square ft. And then there's another area that's just west of the tennis court which is about another 23,000 ft or so. So you put the the base in there for that like 6 in of cleichi base going in. You take that out put put your base in compact it. So we got got that which would have been in the original budget. And then for the surface on that we have we could put in there crushed rock which is crushed limestone that we can get locally from not too far from here and it's about 3/4 inch you know rock I guess after crush. I think that would be a pretty good surface out there

014for that purpose. But we could also put a crushed asphalt or crushed concrete for that same price based on. So once we added the cost of that and then uh uh and then then we go on down to like in in the concession stand put the stainless steel tables in there and we do have a uh cooking hood in there which that's kind of questionable if we had that in there but that that fit the price. And then you get down and you put the additional $250,000 in there for the uh for for the furnishings and like we got another 15 the $250,000. You add all those up that's $4,993,915. If you compare that to the budget 5,82,750 we're underneath that action 82,000. So, so, so the building, you know, could be built for uh

015this building could be built for for the budget of five years ago. So, and that's but but as we've gone through this process, it seems like more is one in the the discussion that has happened. And that's basically all the basically all the other items. >> So I think let's go through let's go through all the options that are up there. We can probably begin our discussion. >> Is there any questions before we start going through the list 540 if you would? The $250,000 furnishings are included in vote on the top. There's also an allowance for furnishing down on line. They're down here on the bottom. So they're not related at all. So this is where it totals at the top. So this is the green is the money available from the estimates and then

016it totals with the proposed budget. So you can compare. So we're just trying to do apples to apples comparison. None of the owners furnishings have any sort of uh our cost on all just purely the cost of benefit that would be supplied by all. And also one thing in the original uh budget that that in to to to match to the bond estimate is the building actually would be 10 ft over to the west and we would so we would not have to redo the road because the building right now is kind of actually in the road a little bit between the vocational building and here. We had to redesign that road over a little. But if we don't if if we don't uh if we move the building about 10 ft 8 10 ft

017to the west, we don't have to redo that, >> right? >> So So the consequences of that we can we can talk there's a lot we probably need to talk about, but the consequences of that is the building won't be centered, but I don't know that people will really notice. One thing that Payton pointed out today as we were talking through this is our current concession stand or the current session the concession stand we had was not centered. >> Anybody notice that >> it was. >> Huh? >> It was centered until we added an eight lane track. >> Okay. Hang over. >> When it was built originally, it was centered. When we added when we added the westside bleachers and added an eight lane track, everything had to shift a little bit. >> But sitting

018in for the past two years sitting in the stand, me looking over there, I had just assumed it was centered and never noticed that it wasn't. And so this this building, it could save us $140,000 if we shifted it. It wouldn't be centered, but it would shift over 8 to 10 feet and we wouldn't have to redo this right here. >> Personal opinion that's the best thing tonight. >> Plus, it makes concession stand and bathrooms closer to the home side. >> It does 10 to 10. >> Let's start going down. >> Let's walk down the the current budget. I do want the city end up helping out with a little bit on that west side. >> Yeah, we've got a lot of love on both by the city helping our utilities and putting all water

019meter actually on property versus where the water's been tapped at. They're going to run a water line. We're under a is that a tornado warning? >> Tornado warning is an issue. My very first meeting was northeast said baseball at my house. >> Does it have a location? >> Said northeast said baseball size hell southeast turn the other way. That's ugly. We're good. Southeast town. >> That would be me. >> Okay. So, if we we're good. >> Okay. So, this option one would be the deduct for the square footage. It's been said that that might be something that Lauren much interested in because it's, you know, more room for way. So, that might be something to consider. But uh then option two is a 24 gauge metal e panel in the weight room. We're just talking

020interior finishes now. So you want the finish the base is a uh painted high impact which has a fragated fiberglass mesh is something that's really hard to pass these. >> Yeah. Move over to the same spreadsheet. Different selection. I'll go over that one. >> Y the uh this one has the full footprint of the building out design which is 14,900 is what is included in this price right here. Option two here is the metal panel which would just change the finish inside a metal panel instead of sheet box. Next option three is adding a classic lamin panel instead of panel. You hear those mess and that plastic down the panel is what you're familiar with in all the hallways that we've already renovated. It's just a easy clean surface that's uh impacted and that is

021not currently included. We go to this next option B5. This is exterior signage. This is what would be provided by Nick Hale for the five signs as shown here. The large rangers in the center, the uh two um logos inside and the two Rs on the end. They'd be back lit and painted. Next and that is included in this price. Next, we have included mirrors and wing. They are on form and just on walls that don't have windows or overhead doors or other things or so. >> Pretty common to have mirrors in the weight room. And the the um comment might be made. It's just so kids can go up there and flex. But it's really for two two reasons. One, it's so that they can see their form as they lift and can self-correct

022and it's also safety for the coaches because they can see around the room as they're monitoring. That's why those are re. Next, we have an option for a high plastic chair rail going in the hallways. The hallways at the base project already have the glass panels in them. They're just nice finishes for hallways, but this would add a trim about as high as this. Kind of like we're doing a high school right now. And that's something that has not been selected, but is a lower cost ad if y'all would like to uh consider it. Next, we have a uh ceramic Wayne's coat in all of the restrooms included in this price. This will be ceramic for all restrooms. This will be ceramic tile that would go up the top of the door frames in your

023public restrooms, in your restrooms, connect to locker rooms, and in your referees. It's just easier to clean and just a nice finish. The alternative to that in a base project would be a epoxy paint. So it would be easier to clean a typical latex paint, but it still has location. Next on line nine, we got slippers and ceramic tile floors and locker room for $4,000. That is not currently selected. The current flooring finish in locker rooms is a silk concrete. It's not as uh slick as like a polished concrete would be, but it would just be sealed to resist as much staining like that as you can. But this option here would add a ceramic. Next is the polish concrete I discussed. It's uh one of the more expensive ads on building for 109,000 that

024would go through and polish all of the concrete in sensibly higher grit and it kind of almost creating your concrete line with how you finish it and it would just look kind of shiny and nice but uh it's not something that's needed and it would make it slightly sl next 11 is construct and finish the sunscreen structures. In some of these renderings, you've seen there's a big steel pergola from the building and there's two smaller silk pergolas on the side over the entrances. That is the price for at 91,000 and that is included in this current price. If that is something you'll be maybe not as much interested in want to use those funds somewhere else might be an opportunity to get that overall number. Next line 12 we have motorized operators protection doors and

025coil doors. This has 25% on right now. The reason for that is because we feel like you need the opener on the door whenever you're remotely activating it like for your train room door for the gator. But if you're in a wait room, you didn't have the chang 9,000 change would be necessary, but they'll be if you would like to have everything. Next, this 38,000 is a exterior size allowance that was recommended by some sign contractors in Amarilla based off working original homes. I think Nick does a great job and he's able to do it quite a better price. So I wouldn't be considered but there's options for Nick's going to charge us 13,000 and charge us. Next is the trophy cases. This still has a 50% on the um selection which purchases 16 geotropic

026cases that includes your glass shelving and your glass door and that would put it in a central location. If we were to add just that at 0.5 within design, there's ability to add to that in the future. It's from a centering standpoint. So if you were to full 100% there are two additional 12 book cases that would be added one on either two other walls >> and they are uh they're not recessed they they are installed service mount the walls so I mean you can install them whenever you want. Next we have the option and the weight we've heard that's not so much an interest but uh it's available you know we're designing the building we want to give you opportunity for it this is a pretty good number for actual HBAC in this big

027space but understand that he might build here so um that's the case but the weight room is heated no matter what has exhaust so no matter what there's no freezing having final 16 is the cost of adding this building to your existing energy management system. You'll have a mix of Johnson controls and contact and this would be putting the building on Johnson controls like your hot. It's pretty new thermostat install that can run up to $5,000. So, it gets to be fairly common, especially the high off. Next, item 17's option is selected for a 20-year no limit warranty on your roof. It's fairly inexpensive for what it is. This does not cover catastrophic damage based off of weather events, but any sort of manufacturers defects that warranty extended to 20 years. And my understanding that

028it covers portion of labor as well. I think the labor might be appropriate, but the uh materials that was one that a contractor thought provided. Then we'll skip one row that's not being used and go down to 19. This is if the full amount of data jacks that are shown on the plans are installed by a outside contractor then it would add that 28,000 figure just under 20,000. We've talked with Ivan from IT about coordinating for data in the building. I think we're pretty confident we get that accomplished without having to enlist a whole another. We'll still throw all the conduits and boxes for them. It would just be a matter of running the cable. We got a good solution there. Next, the 7,000 figure is the installation and the furnishing of a flag pole.

029Understand you all have black pole next to your scoreboard, but if there was the um request for it. And that sums up the total list of options for the building. Would anybody have any questions about those options before we park? parking. The parking there's a variety of options. I think what I have selected right now, it adds the bus or actually start from the top and go down. This line on 42 is the northeastern drive that would be between the IT building and the new guild house. The cost to rework that would be about 140,000 that is uh demo de demoing what is there that is uh pouring new concrete and urban gutter concrete paving curbon gutter. This is uh if you wanted to delete the food service parking you could apply a 75% that

030figure otherwise a 100% would also purchase the food service parking have been discussed by the IT building which would look something like uh this year. So there's opportunities for figuring this out however you like. Next, this option is selected. It is concrete paving for a bus lane and some parking on the north end of the fieldhouse. This uh heard a lot of interest about it. So, wanted to um go ahead and select it in this possible scenario and include all of your urban gutter concrete. And if you look at the second page, you can see that bus lane that goes through there. Next, it's titled line 44 title 3,000 square feet police space behind home stands along Michigan Street. I think Greg already mentioned kind of what that is, but essentially all of Michigan, all

031of the eastern side of Michigan Street from the bus lane down to your existing handicap parking on the southwest side would be excavated, regraded, and put in base that could be topped with whatever y'all like as far as some sort of um crushed asphalt, limestone, concrete. Um, it kind of struggled to get good hot mix numbers up here, but you could that same base would be able to be paved over with asphalt if there was a good hot mix plant around. Next is 45. This is concrete parking in that same area behind homestands. You can see concrete parking is quite a bit more. And this is a freestanding um option which means we don't have to add it to the base. It has the base included. This does have reworking gutters. We'll need to cut

032it and pour gutter in there. So everything that's all the moving off and that is not currently. Next is line 46. This is the same square footage of Bleachi base parking on a southwest corner of the football field. What that looks like is this area right here just west of the dance courts. And uh they're approximately the same as the mission line 47 gives you the same uh opportunity to pay that concrete but the additional cost is noted. Then 48 this gives you the opportunity to put that topping on the base. So, if we were to say um one, it would put two to three inches of this crushed material on all the Michigan Street and the Southwestern paving. If we were to do 50%, it would do it on either Michigan Street or the

033Southwestern if you were to one of those. Then next, this is a one of the more recent options. There's been some interest in if we were to convert the old sports into parking, what that would look like from the cost standpoint. And we went ahead and got some prizes and um think that it' be approximately 151,000 to do that. That would be demoing the the fences, demoing the light pools and the sil coating dash there and pouring concrete approaches and sidewalks to connect you to the uh home side. >> There's an example of that. the last last page. Next is project C which is the capturing the cost to demo the um existing uh possession stand and ticket move. We've moved the ranger up for now and the relocation of that is in there as

034far as whatever that needs to go. >> Um >> that includes all that. >> Yes, that is a lot of where that cost from all the utilities going to it. This number was approved by the board earlier in the summer at 75,000 and we were able to save about 10% permit. So that's where that sits today. Next, project B. This whole project captures what we call honor furnishings. That's what you put inside of the building or add exterior like a finish or something. This currently shows stainless steel prep tables selected for option 76. Plum 77 would be your cost per drink cooler. If you were to add large commercial drink coolers with a you know a glass door that you can see through my understanding there are some existing drink coolers that have been salvaged

035that should work in the meantime. So that's not been selected. Next is line 78. This is for a commercial ice maker for the same stand. If y'all aren't serving fountain drinks, the need for um an ice maker isn't quite there, but if you're interested in that would be the possible. Next, item 79, the free standing griddle and off combo stand is selected. This is a combination unit to both cook on a gas stove and have a uh griddle available for hamburgers and all that. that would go in with the vent hood that is currently priced in the base. So, right now we have an 8 foot vent hood, fire suppression system, make a air, all that in there. So, whatever um furnishings or if y'all wanted to fry or you could just put it underneath

036that hood and it would be um you will lay one. There wouldn't be any sort of issues and that is currently. Next, we get in weight room equipment. This is where Josh has done a lot of hard work and we're kind of piggybacking off of that. We appreciate that. There's been five proposals and now six that have been received by the district for different um options for the wait room and this list them out by vendor. We have contacted all the vendors and made sure this price this was originally requested about probably six months ago. We contact all these vendors make sure the pricing is still good. So want to make sure that there's no no surprises. As you can see the larger weight room and just the um the scope of the weight equipment

037is Cena. And right here we have uh see an allowance for weight train if you would want to add a different number to it. He wants me to establish a budget that would be used by the um that department to source equipment and um limit it at that rate. The latest estimates Josh has gotten for the weight room equipment is 229,000 for the weight room. U it's a one dynamic for the weight room equipment. Um, and we're estimating about 50,000 for the training room, uh, tables, or pools, ice machine >> of that or in addition to >> in addition 270,000 is including the the >> the lowest cost wait room estimate plus the training room equipment. >> Your question, this may be a Josh and Casey question. um in the high schools where we're just

038going to have the bottom section of the weight room and the top is planned now for the room math and all that. What equipment, if any, will we not use over there that will be over here or is all this going to be just all new equipment that's in here? Our plan is really to take the stuff that's on the top floor down to the D9. You look at the D9 equipment on the benches and the incline, they're in bad shape. And so really the need is to sit there and the way that we're the come up with in the weight room. It's like an allpurpose uh rack. So it has a bench and it has the the rack and all that all in one here. So there there'll be a we'll have a need.

039>> Yeah, they're all all one rack and then the old stuff will go to the new which the name is up to move on. There's two more ready for open discussion. There is 86 which is the cost of the athletic lockers. I believe there's 80 or so locker room change for the football side and then another I think it's 102 double lockers for the spring sports and the other locker rooms output. That's where that number comes from there. And then next is a park number that would be open to whatever like set for office furnishings which would be all office desks and chairs and all that good. So that's currently set 15,000 which is approximately probably,00. [Music] So all these options I selected total to 5.597 million with a $70,000y added would be 5.527 million

040with a $70,000 contingency added would be at 5.597. So we can see if we can really selected take this thing from you know just under 5 million to about five and a half if not so it's really open to y'all's 5.6 with parking lots. >> Uh, this has Oh, those two. >> It has the bus lane. The bus lane is costly. >> Okay. >> But it's something high value. >> I have a question, but I think it's more for Josh probably the I mean, we can save $90,000 by not doing those sunscreen protectors, but I'm just thinking about football games or half of it. Anyways, what other sporting event that how many track meets we have? >> Right. I the only thing when you're looking at that building >> I mean it looks good or

041it be just for >> that's what I'm saying because it's not going to be used quite as much. >> I mean it's $90,000 and majority of football games are nine if you don't have one track meet is it worth $90,000. >> It's always something you can add later too. >> Yeah, exactly. Well, at that lane the in front of there, which I've harkeded on this before, but at the football game Friday night, starting at about the first of the second quarter, I measured from the front of the concession stand area now to the back of the line. At about the start of the second quarter is 53T. That was the whole width all the way to the back. So, there's no room for those sun shades. Yeah, >> because we're working with 35 foot and

042there was that much people. >> Well, I'm just saying look somewhere to cut cost. That's seems >> pretty easy to cut it just over. >> And Joe, is it a 10ft uh canopy? It's projected from the building. >> I think it's been put in the middle. >> Yeah. So, there already is a little bit whenever you're over there's a little bit of shade >> and then the building wrapping around >> rain rain cover from when you're right up against the line. >> And that that estimate is with the 140,000 off for moving this whole thing to the west. This is uh I believe >> yes that is without that >> it's without that. So this is currently moved saying is moved. [Music] And if yall are looking at parking, if there's if you would like

043to consider converting that transport to parking, um that would add approximately 75 and might get some of that money. >> And that parking is that's not this is not what you're talking about at all. Parking that's something that I consider. >> Okay. bus lane probably southwest corner. >> So those parking spots will be full before the game ever starts. >> Yeah. >> You got zeros listed in here for all technology. So any of the switches and any wireless equipment any of the the cabling is all typically on the network side the district that's also >> als technology switches, cabling, modems >> out of our normal budget. Yes. >> And this is with that's not selected. So Ivan would be doing the pulling this [Music] option. >> Yeah. That's the base. The base >> and that.

044So you're >> and that great pick left it unlocked. >> So it's like [Music] >> it's 160. So yeah, >> I would rather personally get rid of that. I know. That's what I'm trying to I mean >> I'm not in favor of question. >> Yeah. >> What questions does anybody have this year so far? >> Parking. >> Yeah, that's that's my question. I I know it was kind of framed away to me and I I'm kind of just a little curious. Maybe I'm wrong, but um I remember on the planning committee when we're kind of proposing most of this stuff. I don't remember us proposing parking. >> I don't remember it, but I So I pulled up some of the bond information on our website. It specifically says Prop E 4.8 8 million renovations to

045stadium facilities, concession and restrooms, construction of new lock rooms, weight rooms, and offices. This is what it says. >> That's the only place it says parking. >> I don't know. I don't And like I said, I may be wrong. I'm just trying to when this whole parking was kind of thrown into it. I mean, we have a $1 point whatever million dollar nice concrete parking. I'm just curious of why,00 I just don't know. I'm just curious of why the the parking was that's just my >> nobody wants to work. >> That's the whole issue. >> Well, if it was involved in the bond specifically, I get that. But I don't recall that. And it was at least not and I I had I had to refresh myself on the bond language on proposition B >>

046that it did not say proposition B. It did on all of the bond material. >> That's what I was trying to get at. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But it didn't say it specifically on the the >> on the So how many So the parking that's in there, how many approximately how many spaces are we talking about? So if you I think currently we have so we have the bus lane and we have the police and Michigan Avenue and I think it's just over 100 spots. >> Okay. And so you said 12 to 18 in the bus lane 12. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So you're talking 90ish. >> Yes. Then you can spread it by area to approximately 45. And and you're saying 75 on the tennis courts, it looks like it's $140,000 cheaper to do

047the tennis courts. >> So if you do the tennis courts and that's because already have an asphel base, right? >> But it's it also means we have to build new tennis courts, >> right? Yes, it does. >> Yeah. But that's not a horrible thing. >> No. Well, if we I mean, we've talked about this before >> and tried to bring and talked about the tennis court parking lot many times. >> Sounds >> the school's never going to have a chance to build another set of tennis courts in the next long time. And we've got interest money and a chance to do it. And at first, we were thinking about the the tennis court conversion parking was going to be three 400,000 at first. up. It's this much. >> Yeah. >> And we have still have

048interest in tennis quite a bit. I mean, >> if you're looking for my recommendation, I would >> we got about 30 35 35 kids in >> tennis. What we're trying to do, I mean the goal kind of in tennis and it's because of our coaching situation right now, we couldn't get a full-time tennis coach is to open up the tennis the junior tennis program >> and work that into the high school. So, we're trying to get this hired and what we're doing. So, where where's your recommendation where to put tennis courts? um right behind the bus lane and running east west and then so you've got the bus lane parking have a tennis court right behind it but then that leaves the entire grass field behind still if we ever get to an indoor we

049we still have all of that on that grass to go and you need you said how many tennis courts you need to host an event >> is there enough room for an indoor >> Yeah even if we did a 50 yard indoor which we know would be better than anything. We're going to have probably 60s to 70 yards to work with. >> That's that's my only that's my only reservation about tennis courts there. >> Well, the odds of the tax base ever coming back to this town where we can build an indoor or slim, but no, I I agree with >> but I would still but we of all people in the state of Texas need one. And so if we if we've got an option >> if we've got an if we've got a

050possibility of doing it, we need to be able to do it. >> Leave that option open. >> You could have the option for 200 parking. >> No. So the parking now would be on the tennis court instead of still. >> Yeah. We don't need loading dock if buses and then if the building moves from east to west and we move it completely out of the way, then we don't really need the loading dock. >> That's what I was curious about. That's true. I thought the loading dock was because of where the buildings and we still have the pop protection of both >> right >> that's not if we don't touch the road >> then we don't need loading >> which I re I recommend I think that 8 ft >> we save as much money

051>> yes >> I know we don't should have been on the property to the east of the tennis court but if we could get a combo deal with the city to build tennis court right east of the current tennis courts. [Music] >> I guess I guess one of my major concerns too is >> to get it there because >> you know we still haven't completed phase two and phase three. I mean that it does, you know, we're talking about using the money that we could possibly if there is major issues. You know, we're digging into some locker rooms in phase three and some plumbing stuff that guys, we hadn't touched since that thing was built. So, it does worry me a little bit that that we could run into some major expense on that end.

052And then you know if we spend everything we've got that we we've made in interest that that part bothers me because we we have not started phase two or phase three >> and I was in on my side that's one of the reasons I haven't necessarily jumped on this idea because if if we if we were to create parking out of our current tennis courts and build new tennis courts that will probably deplete the vast majority of that interest. We can do that. I mean, and that's fine if that's what we want to do. But because we're still only onethird of the way through the project, >> right? >> That's just my hesitancy to do that, right? >> Well, and so far, I think we've been on budget and things have worked great, but who's

053to know what we run into two years from now in phase three? >> But I agree with Jed that if this is this is an opportunity to do that, and I don't think we need to take that lightly. Um, this has been a need. This is I mean since the since the moment I got here, Allan was in front of me saying we're going to have to do something about these tennis courts at some point. So, it is a need for our district. >> Rough estimate from y'all's experience is a six court tennis court. >> We were talking about that today, Mr. Brown. We think that the 610 courts can be done. We're building some tennis courts right now in plain eight tennis courts and it had a lot of demolition in it and had

054a lot of slope on the on the on the ground and which we had to build up. And then there was also a city main going right through there we had to reroute like 1.8 that happened. I think where where that is the ground is pretty pretty flat. won't be any and I don't think and and full disclosure one of the reasons that I brought this up is that when Allan came and talked to me he handed me a estimate that was probably 6 years old that had I think5 to $600,000 tennis courts. I think the price that Rick's giving us now is how much that has increased because I don't think I don't think getting the tennis courts we want for under a million right now is even on the table. We're looking at

055probably at least 1.2 we if if we were involved in we did that I think our we would be here and supervision and travel and all those vision one items would pretty much you know stay the same. I'm sorry. >> What What did you say that? I'm sorry. That would require us to prep the old tennis courts for parking. Just clean them all. >> Yeah, clean them off. New concrete approaches. >> Seal them. >> We need to clean and seal over the asphalt and scribe it. And parking lot area, all that. So, nothing crazy. We did the same thing on planes here on their tennis courts here and it added like 90 bucks for them on bigger tennis courts and it was really useful for I think probably save a million dollars in and scraping

056the old uh tennis courts off and pouring concrete here. So >> I think it helps keep congestion off Michigan too. I mean, it's still going to be, but it's not like it would have been if you're >> Well, and if a new tennis courts are a million, too, >> and we're thinking that a parking lot, not the tennis courts, over a half million. >> Yeah. >> Well, you do 140 on that instead of a half. Well, then you're bringing that down to eight. >> Mhm. >> So, I mean, >> kind of math, but makes you feel better. >> Yeah. So could so is it possible to approve a budget on the building and revisit the parking at a later date? >> Yes. You just don't select those options. >> So that we see where we

057are once we start phase two and three and see if we've got money there to to do something. >> What's the total dollars in paying? 700 is what we set aside. See, so >> it's about 600 for if you do if you do all of it. Concrete concrete is >> that includes the bus road north of the field. I left that in that number. But pull off the 84 170ish. Yeah, there's about 405,000 if we take all if we take all the paving off right there. We got to leave the leave the bus lane. >> Okay. >> Take everything else off. >> Taking off the sunscreen. >> I can take off the ceramic if you'll be interested in that. >> Take off the what? >> The ceramic tile would be on the wall. >> I

058think the ceramic >> I mean just what I see. I think it'll be a lot easier to take care. >> Yeah. Public public uh big game public restroom cleaning. >> And that would bring us at 5.3 with contingency without the um with the bus lane but without the additional parking. And you have a zero on the the lane food delivery. >> Yes. Yeah. That that for the purpose of this budget are part of line 42 the northeast paving. Right. >> So that's the building. We don't need >> that's 140. >> Yeah. For the northeast wasn't included. >> Well, that was if you wanted that be about 25%. 300,000 off. But just watching everybody go through the process and with the building really what what's going on [Music] and I think it's going to be nice.

059>> When would construction start? Generally from the time you all approve the budget generally start somewhere between 60 days. We got to have >> it's still proposed to be finished before this time. >> Well, >> yeah. Talk timeline. >> I'm going to say 12 to 14 months. In in my uh what I say is uh the plan to be done before football season. I would say plan A would be not to finish before start. Plan B would be to try to get the concession public. Plan C would be finished. things go well make you crystal ball. What do you think the percentage chance would be? >> I would give it >> because you're more weather related on this project than you are on the other ones. >> 10 10% is a snowy weather. Well, we

060we've been trying to play down this summer >> and it's been difficult to get back. >> Tremendous. This is everything y'all need. Y >> coach, you're good with everything. >> Everything. And and one thing on the on the lab and all the furnishings these are the numbers we have been provided you know but we don't have anything [Music] budget and get a bill for you know what it all costs together. Interested in going through it and maybe turn on and off options or is this pretty close? >> I can see >> I don't know if you can turn off enough options,000. >> Wow. We can low the windows. >> Oh no. But my house your house probably looks like we went through this. We got four and a half million$5 million project. We got $4

061million of options. >> A lot of options. Yeah, the actual building most educational building. >> Yeah, they spent a really long time on this. Sometimes it frustrates me, but at the end of the day, we get we're trying to get what y'all want to spend money on. So we pick out all that part and then later on we address it. What's going to be I mean I know that it's going to be a cost. >> But in the last year and a half things went up about 30%. >> That that to me could be an issue. >> Yeah. Most of the parking options, you know, base with the crush asphalt and concrete, all that is locally sourced, which is the nice thing. It's not like trucking very far. I guess you're exposed to uh labor

062prices and gold races, but that's I don't really see a lot of issues as far as um international trade relations. Ste, steel, metal, that kind of >> Well, I mean, in a time frame, it would still be done approximately the same time you're doing this. If we >> it wouldn't take long. Yeah. To do the I'm I'll be I'll jump right out of here and say it. I I like the idea of utilizing >> the tennis court and and it looks like we need more in the future. We got that area just west of the tennis court. It still doesn't throw us into disarray on Michigan Street. And that's why we talked last time about angling it instead of going straight in to try to direct traffic a little. But I do like being able

063to look at that option because I think that's the logical place, the most efficient use of of the asset, you know, especially with with the need we have because y'all ever been out on a hunt? Yeah. you know, um, and if we're going to continue a tennis program, we need to we need to support a facility that is is relevant to the need. Well, also, I mean, I've been saying this for a while. We need to get a list of priorities on where we want to spend that interest money. And this is where that would come into play. Which one's a priority right now? where where could we spend it the best that we know what we need to spend it on? I mean, because we've talked about auditorium chairs, the a department, auto mechanics,

064they're not getting any love into this any of this remodel. >> I think right now we're talking about this. So, I like that idea. >> That's I I like that. I do worry about what says if we if we shove everything all in one basket and we come up with a pickup. That's why I say I think we're getting a little ahead of the cart before the horse because we need to figure out where these priorities lay before we really sink money into something because what is the most important the auditorium adding more to the fieldhouse tennis courts a room which >> I think for me I mean I I I think it's more of I just nobody knows where we're going to be at two years from Now on the expense side of things

065and >> and on construction it could come. >> I mean just know from being on the hospital side of things and what you can run into in just a matter of six months >> and so it's it's a little bit scary to think that we've got something that we put back for interest and we spend it all up front when we're a third of the way like you said Greg roughly >> right now on the construction side. So, and I want to deliver what we promised the people that we sold them in the barn. Whether or not we had the paid or the the parking or not, what we told the people and how we sold it is that we were going to have parking. It would it would be part of the project along

066with concession stand and the fieldhouse. And so I almost hate to even hold off on the on the parking too terribly much and and then get in a big bond later on down the road too and be like, "Okay, we're going to spend 700 or $800,000 to make this work." >> Does it hit a good middle road on that? If from a parking standpoint, we look at that area to the west of the tennis court now and take a good hard look, get some bids in place and see what we're looking at for converting a tennis court few months down the road. Provides >> it gives us it gives us some options. I like that a lot. S since we're talking about priority priorities and and I can tell you just and and I haven't

067brought this out just some of the things that have been on my mind is possibly down the road um is that's a really pretty short list right now. I mean I wanted to make sure we had auditorium seats um because that is that's something that was in the bond as well. Those were red in the on those maps. Um >> well the seats though are red. You can look at the maps and I don't know if it shows it there. Oh, >> so the seats the seats are red in that, but I wanted to make sure that could happen. Yeah, right there. Um, the others the others are fairly well. I if if if we were to end the end the project and still have like the two two million, I would look to make

068sure the auditorium had seats. Um, we have an opportunity because we could we put band or we put instruments in or equipment in the bond. We can we can buy some of the band instruments. That need is coming up. We could use bond money for that. But relative to what we're talking about, that's not a whole lot. I mean, that's that's probably in the six figures, but it's maybe 100 to 150,000 um to do everything all at once. Um, we could also use some of that money to redo the IT building so that Ludy could come over. It would just ease some of the the costs there. Um, but that's kind of that's really the things that have been in my mind of possibilities. None of that has been set in stone, but >> Well,

069we look at that list. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yes. That's that's made it onto the list. as of late. >> Yeah, you're right. >> I would agree as well. >> You look at all the new stuff that we're going to have from north from the northeast over kind of almost to the northwest of the school and then you're going to get into that a >> Yeah. >> and auto stuff and have all this new beautiful looking stuff and then you're going to see the old pin and from the outside it looks >> Yeah. >> It's going to look old. >> Yeah. >> And outdated. >> It's true. when I just walk down the hall, open my classroom door. 70 or four. >> Yeah, that's true. >> I wasn't other than that. >> So, I like

070some of the plans that we've talked about here. I mean, when you look at prioritized needs that we have in the district and money we have available, I think Jed makes a great point. This is a place where we have money that we could address what is going to be a major need. Uh it's the type of need that would could and if we were going to have to address it, we might have to run a small bond to address it. in this in this case we wouldn't have to you know so I I don't know where all that balance is although except of course we all want everything we want but we have to look at the the money we have available and prioritize it and so in one sense I agree with Jed

071we have to address it another sense I've sit where noon is and we're one third through the project and I don't know if if a year with some good numbers could put us to the point where we feel a lot more comfortable saying, "Okay, let's go ahead and pull that trigger." >> Well, and I'd say we need to address it in a timely manner, not just >> Right. >> Yeah. >> I mean, we need to make a decision on it to know when we're going to make the full decision. >> Right. Where I stand today is if we are if we are a year into this and we're in a place where we're more comfortable pulling that trigger, I think it's a great option for us. It gives us the opportunity to address something that's

072going to be a major need and cost a lot of money. And we have the money. So, we're going to have to get this to the right house. >> We're planning to have the plan though for phase two at the high school and phase phase three at the elementary. Phase three at the elementary is going to be by phase two. >> I would like to get further on the elementary. >> Yeah, it's not going to be that far down the road before we have [Music] Can you repeat what your compromise was? >> What is that? If we're looking at a parking stand utilizing that area west be able to level that off corner the corner parking as well. gives us some addition on that side. Follow us through with what we were talking about. Gives

073us the option to add more build that back in. >> Are you talking about west of the road or west of the fence? >> The corner. Yeah, I mean there were fresh asphalt surface. I mean, you get a load of crushed ass for a thousand bucks load and 170,000. That's 170 loads. I'll spread out 30 loads on a pretty good area and that area probably about 40 at the most level. So if we're going to we do that, we're going to go in and take it down pack the subgrade and test the subgrade pack a base in there that's actually tested. [Music] We're going to pack that. We're going to pack that and and test it and then we'll put the coffee on. We'll roll it up. [Music] So, so that one right there, the

074five 44 47, that's that one skimp back about as much as it can be. Um, if you remember this lane, that's nearly >> What did you just take off this 100,000? >> So, the I took off the uh for that. >> Oh, okay. Over there in that corner. [Music] >> But the bond was 4.8. Okay. [Music] 5 million million82. >> Well, that was >> this is kind of was that in the bond? >> Yeah. the furniture on there. [Music] The bond furnishing there was a number $26,000 in >> when was before the election. Yes. Okay. I was never Oh, I just seen that. That's why I was hung up on that. So, we were park in the southwest. Yeah. 5.185 $100,000 of EDS. You still have [Music] >> I do think the bus >> I

075think all kind of problems. I think you don't like the water out there, it doesn't have a lot of gr. It's coming across that that field and that buzz lane road. It's going to pick that water up come across there. I got to make it over because actually right now I think the water runs across football and that that road would actually pick that up and converts it west to the road and it west to the road and east to the road. Majority goal. >> The purple is the high and the blue is kind of low. You say the majority would go on the west road. >> No, it go I I didn't want to put much on that west road much on that side at all. six in. >> But if we went all

076east, you'd be raising everything up another foot >> because you're trying to get a minimum slope on the road. >> We're trying to do the minimum. >> So, we're trying to be >> and and that and that that affects we're trying to keep the the finish floor higher certain amount higher than the road. So the road be there at least the water and and also >> I I would really like to be there. >> Yes. and and uh and that the whole thing fixed the all work together >> and then that water eventually on Jefferson takes that channel down parking lot [Music] should catch most of that water coming back from the So, >> so I understand what you're saying because this is new. Are you saying that if we did the bus lane, it's

077actually going to protect our field a little better from the drainage? >> Yes. >> And the building I think that's important will be high enough. >> Yeah. building catch that water and stop it from running, you know, big rain, you know, to the reaction. Look at the elevations and >> this is where we This is where it floods, >> right? The water. Look at the water coming. >> Yeah. >> I think the elevations here are actually higher than the one. >> They are because that's where everybody has to walk and it just floods. >> Yeah. Looking through Google, you can tell that the shot kind of got lifted or added. >> Yeah. Okay, sorry. Thanks for showing that. And at this current budget, this does this thing back in. Yes, we have this thing back

078in 5.4. 417 with the $7,000 and we have not yet it's just there for so 5.347 figure where we hope >> this has the southwest and the Yes. [Music] >> Oh, and he took out the queen. Yeah. >> And it does have a gutter currently. Yeah. It's so we cut the road and pour it in there. We don't want to do that. >> We kind of already know. Is that what you were talking about? >> Yeah. Just to kind of see, you know, [Music] 150,000 to do within his courts to make it into a parking lot >> and then two >> which is yeah which is something we're not going to address tonight able to look at you know as as we look at things tonight what we need Tonight I'm going to go back

079to the actual language of the proposition B the issuance of school building construction acquisition rehabilitation federation expansion improvement and equipment of stadium facilities including concession dressing room restroom wait room locker room and offices letting factor Because with this we have covered what was bothered for. We left our options open to be able to see about a needed improvement by able being able to do that to add additional parking to that south side. Ready [Music] to catch rocks. Other questions, comments, being over budget, and with everybody in the community hurting like they are, I don't know that it's a wise choice unless we get it down to the number. We're a lot lot closer. $35,000 over. Yeah. What's the best thing about paving your sitting closer to 180,000? [Music] Sorry, my brain just I just missed

080what you just said. >> No worries. It said you just have the bustling and no paving 180,000 curved and curved and crushed. Uh that would be no paving just the bus lane with that parking spaces. You got 180,000 original [Music] $18,000 over $7,000 >> right the bus itself you're saying >> the bus was left in but no on at this time. >> No paving on the bus. >> No paving on the rest of the park. >> Yeah, no additional parking. >> Lane concrete. >> Beautiful. >> Just just to throw out a weird idea. I'm ready to catch any rocks. What's it do to the bus line if it's crushed as changing? Well, that that actually goes back to the water drainage because of the the minimal slope. When we're keeping concrete, you can get drain

081at 1%. You start moving this asphalt, you move two. When you move the two, that's going to raise the road up. It's going to raise the finish floor up, raise the dirt, and change. [Music] I wonder about the weight of the buses driving across it and I think you >> I think civil engineer like to talk about 5% >> when it comes to crush >> unless we're sure we can take interest from prop A and use it something on prop B >> general product >> all all interest It's not related to parts, >> I don't know what else. >> Although, and you can really throw off that. Listen welding class. [Music] But you think that's what we need to do is not address any parking and move forward. >> Keep everybody from graphing. >> I

082think the only way to get a lot of people from graphing is to have it that budget. >> What are you going to pull? >> Well, I don't know. I mean, I've got some ideas. You know, everybody wants to hear >> when when the bond was voted in May of 23, we're over two years passed and we're just 180,000 over on a $5 million deal. Just 180,000 >> just considering >> considering inflation in two years and the rise of cost >> feel like that's well we could already had a concession stand bill could have >> so now I think is more the time to more than ever to go stay in budget since we haven't drug it out as long as we have. I just don't know what else cut out. I mean, I don't

083know either. I you know, once again, I think I just fall back on, you know, we're a third of the way through most of our construction and we're looking spending a large chunk of what we have in it just to be able to complete this. And I get it. We need it. I mean, I, you know, part of what we said we were going to do. I just, >> man, >> well, if you go one, two on the tennis court and you're a million over a million and a half over. >> And that's that's all you're in. And who knows what the locker rooms and the school bring. you know, >> I just don't want us to have a shortfall >> and and you still you still want me parking. You still want me parking.

084>> You got 10 spots or however many over there on the bus >> and four of those on others. I think the fieldhouse is excessive and that's probably why it's over budget 4%. I suppose I look at the potential of a tennis court and turning the old tennis court into parking as being separate from the law as being more fun balance school decides to do something like we fund balance look like >> our fund balance for 199 it was closer to 6 months at the end of last closer to five months at this Reason I say fun is fun. big boy decision. [Music] >> So, I guess what I would say too is if we we move forward and we go ahead and decide to do this and we get into phase two and phase

085three and we run into issues, we're screwed. >> Where are we going to get the money? into phase two and phase three and we we still have issues. We haven't we're not deciding today. That's a decision. >> We're just down to this >> 180,000 over what >> what's included 180,000 >> can I see the the flyer that was put out that you have you mind? And we're going plenty options on phase two and three as well. So there's going to be plenty of >> that's where this >> new home parkad >> where was the 250 added on this >> uh it was just in the overall numbers >> and I'm not presented to the public I mean this is the number I saw parking We sold it. >> So it was, >> you know, I

086know the committee put we sold it. I think we sold it selling it before we're going to be able to do session. >> But that's what I voted on election day. >> 4.8. >> We voted on 4.8 were in >> were they added to the 4.8 or they were in the 4.8 They not added to they were added to because I remember what that was overall for you >> into this number. >> I think this >> Oh, in this number. Okay. but 250,000, >> right? >> But 4.8 was what we voted on election day. >> That's what I'm getting at. >> That's what that number needs to be or a lot closer. >> They put the 200 people in >> in the 4.8 in the >> or in the first time because that's when we

087didn't know where this >> Okay. Well, so so you don't need to add 250 to 4.8 is what I'm getting. >> not for what the proposed budget was in plan B, >> right? So everything together as one number that I mean if we go back to the [Music] outings can be moved between buildings. >> You're just taking one off the other. >> Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. >> Still below the budget. >> Okay. In my opinion, >> really when it comes down to the furnishing. >> Yeah. Yeah. open the floor to one of two things if there's discussion, questions or motion. [Music] I'll make a motion to accept that budget up there as presented. The one I didn't added anything on just the bus. >> I'll second to accept the proposed budget as adjusted, amended, placed on

088the screen. Is there any additional discussion? I don't think we need to be going over budget for our community. We're here to uh do the best with their money. I don't think this is it. Taxpayers dollars. It's not ours. Further comments discussion. >> How much bigger is did you say this building was than what we originally were looking at what we quoted? Uh I think that the weight room ended up being about >> was it the 1500? Is that all >> you we were shooting for a little smaller than that overall but we kind of went that direction but the time we sat down with the room [Music] >> the overall building stayed the same did it not a little bigger but How much how much and I know this may be a crazy question,

089but whenever we angled that back to kind of make the bookings, is that a huge cost difference in a steel building? Like would that have been a $100,000 difference? >> Okay. The way they look at it is really like three different buildings together. get the top. It doesn't really >> a little bit harder to get the old numbers. >> Yeah. Four, five. So, so I wasn't here when when it started. So, I'm asking because you say we need to get it right that what taxpayers voted for. What do we do to get it there? I mean, I don't know what y'all voted for changed all this time for where we're at other than waiting the time, which is about anything we can buy back never get time back. >> That cost is there. Is that

090the difference? >> Well, I think you had a you had a planning committee. >> Okay. >> You had a different board. You had a different guy sitting in that seat. You have a different guy sitting there. This guy had some things that he wanted different. This guy obviously wants things different. And you know, every change order, like whenever you build the house, you don't just say, "Well, you told me it was going to be a h 100red,000 and and here's what I get." >> But I just wish that there was more parking in this deal right now. It's what was promised to the issue. I think we have to address the parking now. I don't know where, but something has to be added back in for park. >> And to me, it doesn't matter. I'll

091park four blocks away. It doesn't matter. >> I agree. The parking like I said it gives more numbers on different situations for the parking. We don't have to talk, you know, approve right now. But where's that money going to come from? [Music] >> Not saying we we got to wait until that we're saying phase two, three, see what where that's coming in from. >> Yeah. I mean, because that is that the parking safely decide in sports or not sports, whatever. I said that's something that if we approve on it, they can do whatever. That's not attached to anyone. Well, we got to do this before we do that. We can wait along that topic. One scenario that could play out is if we couldn't do the tennis courts. Let's say we run into something phased.

092But at that point, we have a half a million dollars in um left over and interest. Depending on what we run into, we have a half a million dollars left over in interest at the end. I mean, we could concrete all of Michigan and concrete all that, you know. You know, so there's some options there. And you know, and the other the other thing about about budgeting, anything we spend that interest money on as we move forward is going to be over budget. It's things we've chosen to >> to add. So that that's going to be something we're beyond budget. And to be honest, I think we already have a little bit in the elementary. Didn't we spend a little bit of that to extend the concrete? Um or are we were we in budget

093on that on the playground? >> On the west side. >> Yeah. >> Probably, >> right? And that and that's not to take anything away from Jud's point because because we are responsible to our community. >> Um, but >> Jeff said though two and a half years ago, what hasn't gone up, >> right? I mean, >> if you look at it this way, we we've got a building that's the same size or a little bigger than the original bond. We've put in just nearly everything that we or the original plan. We put in nearly everything except parking. We're working on parking that we wanted and we're dealing with 20% more costs than it was five years ago or 3 years ago whenever we started this. I mean it if if anything I think we've done pretty

094good here as far as design um and getting things ready. >> Jed, I got a question. So the ceramic tile walls is that 67,000. I mean is that I know we I know we all want it. I know we want it. Is that a necessity in your in your mind? Is 67 thou I mean could you cut that to get closer? >> Well, I'd say for the longevity of the building would that cost 10 years down the road that >> for cleaning and all that stuff with that? >> Absolutely. >> So, can't get rid of that. >> Coach, the trophy cases, is there a better place to put our trophy cases? And then out in a building where who's who's going to see them? >> We we brought that up this morning. You know, there's

095175 that we could >> put them back in that L ranch or >> the problem is we've got a a closet up above the gym a ton of trophies that don't have a shelf and the shelves that we have in the high school. Now, we are going to build additional shelves in the high school. So, I mean that had kind of been we already took out two 12s >> and left that one center. I mean, but but they've also said that that that trophy case can be put in. >> So, if you want to cut >> So, I mean, there's $17,500 for trophy >> if you wanted to cut that. >> I mean, I hope we fill them all up, right? Right. >> well, as far as the fieldhouse, >> the only the only time

096that anybody's ever going to be walking through the fieldhouse other than student athletes or coaches is just at a power lifting. >> I'm just saying is that the best place to display our trophies? >> That's what I'm getting at. We have something already set aside people walk in >> between the high school. Yes. But he's saying we have all those full already and we have a bunch of stuff up. >> No, but I think they're planning on putting in add more and I kind of have to cut the line on what trophies are going to go on the show. That's kind of where we're at. >> Yeah. >> I think once this is built, this is gonna be a lot of people walking through this building to see this. So >> So you So who

097would walk through this building? visitors, fans, all of our guys, obviously, visitors, fans, um, powerlifting meets, um, track, >> um, you know, it's not going to be the biggest exposure, that's for sure. But, >> but, you know, it is something that could come out. >> That is an amendment to the motion. [Music] >> Well, I mean, you know, if we're 180,000 over, we take off 17,000. I feel like that's, you know, I mean, whe that's 10%. I don't know. I don't know if that moves the needle or not. I'm just I'm >> I'm shooting. You're trying. Yeah. >> Because I had had a question. The approximately $2 million in interest. >> Is that going to get put us anywhere close to having a recapture issue? >> Um, arbitrage, we're at 2.12. And so the last

098time I was quoted what arbitrage we're going to have was 120,000. That was about a year ago. >> And we've increased it by 400,000. So a little bit will come. >> So we do have a little if we don't want to send it back to the state, we mean the staff. >> Yes. Not >> we do I believe that we do have to spend a certain amount of >> so that might be a balance that we got a little bit we need to spend so >> right that's a good point >> do it over three years >> there was one one of the rules was certain amount we will still have more interest >> I can't project that exactly But we will still have more beyond this. >> But but the projection that you have

099now is based on the CDs we have in place that are timed for >> specific things of what interest to maturity is on those. >> These are basically guaranteed for the high school or elementary that go to a parking lot for the kinder teachers. That's another one of our needs. >> Yeah. They park on the grass every day. We park on the grass six times a year for football games. Exactly. We're looking at that. Yeah. >> They get stuck. Drive them to work. At work. They park there 200 something days a year. >> I mean more than six, I guess. Tracking at seven. >> Well, sorry. I would like to parking lot back there. I will have to say that the original intent was they would use the regular parking and come in the back

100door through the cafeteria, but they've all just started moving back there and that's been a habit. So, we have a motion on the floor for any amendments, additional discussion shot. Well, I'll bring it up again one last time. We're building the building 35 ft away from the track and the line was over 55 ft long for a quarter and a half or more of the game. And that was just three lines going to the concession stand. That wasn't adding the bathroom lines for the Ranger. Just saying. Wasn't there a lot of cost? >> Seems like I wonder what that was. >> I could just build a concession stand. >> Huh? >> Or we could just build a concession stand >> separate from what we're doing. >> Mhm. >> What's that going to have to cost?

101is that waiting. Well, he's just saying concession stand bathrooms out there and build house up against >> we're worried about money and since we hadn't even got plant phase two of the hospital done yet. Last I heard we could build a concession stand and bathroom for a million dollars or less. [Music] And then we then we spend a half a million or more on parking lot like we need to and then put the rest of the money with locker rooms and coaches offices against the building. >> I can't comment if I wasn't a part of that. I don't know. >> You're here now. I don't I I would say this, the biggest push back I see is if we stop now, start all over, that's going to be worse than any other thing. >> Well,

102like plan 13 of a fieldhouse with just a concession stand. >> But I'm saying today we're woring something done. I don't disagree with you on that at all. And I wasn't 300,000 180 for how many years been going. I don't think that's too bad. >> And it's not, but it's still going to end up being 300 because you're going to have to address parking whether it's today or down the road, right? Yeah, >> it's it's still you're still even doing the stuff down the side. You're >> you're 335,000 over. >> This just a question. >> Can we address the parking lot? I'm just you after me. >> Okay. We say we're going to do this uh where the where the tennis court, but that that's their last part that they're working on and then we

103get a chance to see where we're at. Can we just move that if we say, "Oh, no. We can't do that." >> Can we just move that over to the west side? >> Well, why don't I just address the parking today? And here's here's my deal. I I don't want to I don't want to pay 300. I don't want to pay 400. I don't want to pay $1 over what the budget was. None of us do, and we all get that. Hopefully, the community understands that. But if we got to do it anyway, >> what happens if we get to the end and we've used up all the other money and we go, we know we promised you guys some parking. Here's you 12 spots over here by the draw board. >> You know, it

104it doesn't say on here how many parking spots just just we're going to create some additional parking. Well, here's your 12 extra spots community. Enjoy. >> What does that do? Well, and those 12 extra spots by the fieldhouse >> are going to get filled before going to be parked there. And >> so I mean that's they're irrelevant. >> And we may be 180 over, but we're not 180 over because you got to add the parking lot. So if we >> have that commit to doing >> of course it does >> then we have to all >> yeah that's what I think I mean >> but you told the community you're going to do westside parking you've got to do west >> whether it's today or in >> where would your to have it west the

105tennis courts or long >> either but see that's the thing to the tennis courts is already accessible for parking. So, we're not even if we put something there, we're not adding >> we're not adding parking lot. We're just making it nicer. >> Well, that's what both of those. >> Exactly. Yeah. I mean, they're not adding >> just making it adding more >> doing a land trade or the tennis court. >> Well, you're adding parking because it wasn't I mean, it was parking, but it was just grass. You're adding a parking lot. >> Adding a parking lot. an official partner official. >> And it's not part it's not perfect down the down Michigan. It's not perfect. No matter how you do it, angle, parallel, straight in, it's not perfect. There's going to be >> the tennis

106courts are the best spot, but then we have to commit. >> I I agree. I want to move the home side back to the other side and look into the sun. Can we start games at 8:30? >> Yeah, >> fine with that. Early in the season, then move them up and later in the season whenever it's dark early. >> Nicest visitors parking lot in the state. Got to be >> I just I I can't understand why we're not going to address parking like you said because we got to do it somewhere >> and it's on that paper. >> That's amazing. So sometimes you just probably not a good turn on just roll the dice and way you go. >> We got we got to do something. We made the locker room too big is the

107problem. We spent too much money on the fieldhouse and not the stuff that also was supposed to go with it. But if you I mean I don't know where we cut that back down unless what you're saying just go back and we're all back >> I think I think still back >> wants and needs people do you want to cut the trophy case out we're looking at like a half million over budget not 180 million you got to add parking in there somehow and so that's I mean, >> as far as I'm I mean, I'll tell y'all right now, I'm not going to vote for it because we're that much over budget. >> Now, remember the two the 250 was in on the other deal. >> Yeah, I'm not back that off. Yeah, >> because

108the 250 is included in this number. >> Yeah, I'll fine because it moves over from >> So, let's take it out. I get that. Well, not take it out, but you're gonna But but just for visual purposes, >> you're 4832. That's what we had on. >> But then you got to add >> But you got to add the part. So there's your >> 400 500 over. >> I would be good with if we could get do the do do the proposed 4 point. What are we where we at? 4 something. with Wes's idea of maybe being able to let's let's get some numbers some concrete numbers and let's look at a parking lot doing something over there even if it is just a small parking lot over there on the west side and let's let's

109give the people what we promised them let's give you some parking >> so that's going to be in addition to the 4.8 it >> so then we're going to still be over budget >> it is >> okay so I'll say that I'm not going to go with that >> if we're going to be over if we're going to be But we need to go back to the drawing board. >> I think we're going to get a lot of push back in this community if we don't start doing something. That's my opinion from what people say to me. If if we were to push this back of parking and we meet in six months and say, "Hey, we're already going the parking." What does that timeline look like as it? >> Yeah. If you say we

110just want to do the parking down Michigan and we want to pave that parking lot straight west of the tent. >> I don't really parking >> two month deal two to three months deal. >> You probably wanted your parking for track season over with already. Yeah. So you probably want to make it over the summer. >> Well, I'm just saying if you wanted to have be done before next football season. >> Yeah. Yeah. Three months. >> We do parking lots over the summer. >> So May. >> When's our park when's our track meet? April. >> Uh they've been doing it. They've been doing it like the first weekend of March. So you want to approve it April or May. >> So you have four or five months. >> We did as far as >> soccer.

111>> Yeah. But you still going to be in April. >> You still aren't done with phase two, right? In March or April. So you I mean you're still halfway done or a little over halfway done with your whole project. current of the building park or the paving and the demo as a stand you got all the furnishings numbered out of there. >> Yeah, it's 4.806 if you just figure the building. So you've got approximately uh 25 or so that you're under if you just total I >> Well, we're going to have to buy the furnishings eventually. also 400,000 >> but it's over it's over in your other >> which one >> well it's on prop that's what you're talking so what is the total there with that basically would be what we would be working

112on the building building or without >> that includes the bus >> just the bus >> and then I still later on we'll buy furnishings. >> Well, we're just trying to compare to your 4.8 figure. Oh, it's >> Yeah, it's just the building and a lot of parking >> and in six months or you know if less than six months we'll have the elementary phase three and then we'll have the high school phase two numbers in in know exactly We got time for five months and and if we have number put together for the finish court and and the finish parking changing the finish parking >> we got that one one thing we do with options like this we come up we do our best to come up with a lotus [Music] a lot more information

113and then after that after phase two of the high school basically all you have left is phase three. >> Right. So at what point Greg in in our in our finishing process for this entire project high school right and fieldhouse at at what point would you say okay I think we're safe >> to where it doesn't look like anything major is going to come up. I think when we get, you know, if they use three of the elementary out and they use two of the high school, we should have a really good idea because I think the inflation that has happened, you know, I I think that's kind of, you know, leveled off. I think we're still going to have some, but we won't have at that point we're going to be, you know, further

114along. And that would be approximately in six month is going to be less. I think we're hoping to get >> in November finished up >> end of the year for sometime in March actually have a plan to start going out to the high school about [Music] as far as >> and we have been trying to adjust things because we do think we do think uh prices are going up. We're trying to adjust that somewhat with what we're doing. thinking after at the high school thinking design we've actually had been able to addition >> right [Music] at the elementary. So we think that the furniture and the weight room equipment was in prop a what I heard all the furnishings for the entire project or they they were in the overall number but they were not

115the ones for the fill out were not in okay [Music] the 400,000 over with partner. I will agree with what you're saying, Bryce. We talked about parking for so long. That was something that we're promising people even though we don't have a perfect area for it. >> Our perfect area is when we don't know we can use. >> Yeah. That we don't own. >> Right. >> Perfect area that we have available to us. >> Yes. Has nets across the middle of it. >> But we can't make that call today. I I don't I wouldn't be comfortable making that call making a having a next Monday's meeting at both tennis court. No, we're too early in the process to be able to do that. But six, eight months down the road, we can better look at

116that, which would would add. I I don't have an issue with with adding back to this, doing something Michigan. Um, if even doing something on Michigan involves smoothing out the area west, it's people parking just on dirt. little rough, make it nicer. We were to smooth it out a little bit, throw a little little crush concrete, little thin layer, something over the top of it, that'll be great. You're right. My opinion of parking lots weird thing. >> It is, but but you know, as well as I do, even if we do the tennis courts, people are still going to park on it's going to it's going to have to be addressed right now or addressed in six months. It's got something's going to have to happen on Michigan because one is going to start parking

117closest to the ticket, work their way, right? It's just human nature that that that's how it's correct. >> I also look at and listen to all the conversation here that, you know, our original number was was proposed more than two years ago. We've seen some some cost increase. So that I will say I'm a little I was a little disappointed in the numbers for the building, but it was it wasn't closer to being underwater number to be able to fit all all of that in. I understand that that costs increase that that some things are a bit unforeseen, but I will say Greg Cost was a little disappointed in in the number. But I but I understand where I also like the question that I asked I also understand where where that comes from and

118I was trying to figure out how you know what reasoning could we have to be able to do that and I don't want to send one penny which leads me to want somebody to this park you got to do whether it's today or down the road. So, I would, like I said, I don't want to spend a penny more on I don't like Jet. I It'd make you sick to your stomach just thinking about, you know, I would say you got to add it in if you're going to do it anyway. For me, I mean, I'll vote either way. I've had plenty of people make wide wise cracks about it about boards and government things always going over budget and we've been good to this point and so I don't see why we should do

119it go over now that means that there's going to be some tough decisions made. I think that's our choice. That's what we're here for and that's what we need to do. But for a $4 to $500,000 over budget, no, not a chance for me. And people that I talked to, they for us to go over budget on it is it's not right. Our community is hurting. There's not a lot of relief inside. So like what I can't even >> and I get that I get completely different going over whenever you went to the grocery store two years ago. Did you spend as much as you spend today? >> No. >> That's what stinks about it. It's just because it was done so long ago. You know, if we could redo these numbers today, we got

120we can't nothing like it was two years ago. You know, who would have who knew? you know, and and I know that we built in a >> bunch two years ago. Two years ago, we were still just going after a concession stand. We weren't going after all this. >> Well, that's what the balloons did. >> Well, look at look at some of those look at some of those plans that we had. >> They were just for concession stands, >> but that was separating the fieldhouse. We were always going to build >> Oh, I'm not saying that we don't need a >> field house on the north side of the stand. That was just to separate it and put the concept Let's talk about putting it on the school. >> That was the original. >> Does

121that have a drawing? >> Original of the hospital is the same as what we're doing out there. >> Worst case scenario. Very worst case scenario. >> Nobody can reach it. Sorry guys. A lot of plans are different. That's a little different. >> That over here is different. Those were all just uh what was the word? Conceptual ideas >> right there. >> But didn't that process go from that to this because of we don't want to put them on separate ends. >> We don't want to attach it to some cost that was involved there. So we want to move it out and put it together. That was I wasn't here but that's what I >> one of those votes we actually had voted for it one way that was just because now that was for >>

122but then we called a motion to take that vote back and change it >> and this could be done too >> yeah we had We had to change all the motions cuz we had it going other way. [Music] >> The um the concession on the south end or the >> Well, yeah. >> Yeah, you're right. I mean, we we agreed to do concession on the south end of field house on the north end and then and then you guys voted to put it all back together. >> And wasn't that done because of what I remember? that somebody says, "Well, like what he said, we're like on number 16." [Music] >> But these weren't done two years ago. This was all planned in the last 6 months. >> This was this >> that we have in

123front of us, >> right? It wasn't planned two years ago. >> I feel like we had we had planned on it back in October >> and we've been working on it about a year >> three or four months to decide on >> it was during Christmas break that I was sitting with Stephen and we had already had the basic plans from last year. I think I was sitting with Stephen in his hotel room. So, it was probably about October when we started on this. >> Well, I'm I'm with Bri. I'm I think we have >> I think what we're going to vote on tonight that parking has to be in the at least on the west side. you're gonna have to deal with >> and and then if something changes eight months from now, we

124might can shift that over to where you're talking about. >> Well, what what if we what if we vote on it under the understanding that it will be done before next football season? That they don't have to start it today. And if if by then we know that something changes, we can maneuver that. They don't have to start the parking lot tomorrow. >> And and I'm I'm in agreement with D. I wish we would not go over, but I don't see no other way around it. And I think we got to move forward. And I think parking has to be part of this amendment. >> Yes. >> There a second to that amendment. >> Which parking? >> West Michigan. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So doing Michigan not not the area west of the >> at

125least it is already rocking something. >> People still and they still came. We need a second on that. >> And they still will regardless of regardless of what we do with Dennis Sports, they still will. >> And then down the road when that when we get all this set and cost where we can feel more comfortable about using that, we can always add to that. >> Yeah. >> I think no matter what, we got to have that that done on Michigan. If you don't do that, I >> mean, what are your thoughts on that, Wes? is approving it and tapping the break. Approving it now and just saying, >> "Yeah, it can be >> and then and then we can see where we're at." >> If we decide to adjust that there's way that's my

126motion pass and and what we'll do once we get done with discussion we'll vote on the amendment. So is that just for Kichi or for >> Khichi base and rock top >> the top is not on there but it's excavate whatever you like >> and pretty much other than see crushed asphalt and that's what crush about the same. >> Yeah, we're not finding a whole lot asphalt right now. >> So, it's kind of >> What would you suggest that we went with there, J? >> Well, I mean, I wouldn't just go straight Kichi because >> No, no, no, no, no. Just as a base though, Khichi base. >> Said, what would you use over the top? I mean, I wouldn't use anything less than crushed asphalt, but I mean, would you guys know more about

127that stuff? Yeah, one of those fresh concrete that solid solid service is two in I think if we did a four that would cover that Michigan a little bit $18,000 parking lot for 43,000 for 23,000 what he said. >> I don't think right here additional discussion. >> So the number that we see up there does that did you the five tell me tell me what >> Yes sir. So this includes the top park along Michigan Street will be probably more than likely a fresh stone or concrete depending on what we can come by. Um then the uh bus lane is in here in concrete as well. And then it has I think most of the auctions every the um building deducted the sun shade that kept the east and it has the owner the equipment

128and all that as >> so 270 and 15,000. So >> 280 285 is prop. But we got to vote on that tonight because it's >> 5491 >> with contingency >> 5421 and 285 of that. [Music] What is that? >> Well, they are a mathematician right next to that. >> I know. Don't even get that out. Other comments discussion [Music] Yeah, including >> including the furnishings. But if you take that >> Yeah, if you take that off, what would it be? >> Yeah. 136,000 over >> Did we take Sound way too good to be true. [Music] >> with 145 as well. >> You said lockers are part of the furnishings as well. >> Okay. >> That goes on prop [Music] 191. We got you trophy case still. So 200,000 over budget now. >> I don't have

129a trophy in there, but if I did, I would be all for it. You get one of those. >> Yes. >> Josh. Josh. >> Long way to go. You okay without trophy cases? >> Meeting ever. >> You okay without trophy cases? >> We can we can find other ways to display. >> Yeah. We talked about how much bigger we made the weight room that was so it' be the same size even if you'd have went originally from where it came off the high school. But do we take out take them out? I don't want to take them out. Okay. trophy. I was trying to get rid of my trophy baseball tournament when I was 12 in there. >> I said I have a participation >> any participation. >> I can get water down >> participation.

130I was like the best water boy. >> I mean, I got to be a trophy for that. >> If there's no other discussion, last call. >> 200,000 over budget. >> Just under. First thing we'll need to vote on is the amendment to add the parking on Michigan Street to the west city. All in favor of that amendment? I'll post. Motion carries 61. Motion to approve the budget process as presented here on screen and what we've all got scratched in our little pieces of paper as amended. Any discussion on that? See none. All in favor? Motion carries 61. [Music] Okay. Last item on the agenda meeting. >> Thank you, gentlemen. Hey, we sure did. Good work tonight, you guys.