001good evening this is kevin erickson and welcome to the special meeting of the fairdale school board at this time we're going to go into executive session and we will return in and out [Applause] good evening and welcome everyone um i'm kevin erickson president of the school board just want to welcome all of you that are here in the audience as well as those that are viewing online we're now out of our executive session and we're going to have our community forum um to let you guys get to know our applicant um and i will turn things over to northwest associates to introduce john [Applause] well welcome everybody uh i'm mark finn and this is wayne robertson we're northwest leadership associates we're here saturday now i see a lot of familiar faces which is great uh
002we're here tonight this is one of three nights that we'll be having community meetings and we have our first candidate with us tonight this is dr john parker john is from bogota colombia and he's going to start off with reasons on why he's here number one why are you here from bogota number two why he wants to be your superintendent and then we have some questions that have been submitted already that we will be asking and then john will answer those questions so dr parker it's all yours thank you very much and i'm going to be mobile and so jackson is that going to be okay with our viewers online um as long as you don't stray very hard um yeah so first of all thank you for joining us this evening thank you for
003joining us at home those of you who are logged in online wherever you are um my name is john parker and i've just been really excited to be here i just want to share a little bit about today what today has brought weekend i have had a chance to be out in a few buildings this morning where i had a chance to tour and see the outside of the new uh ferndale high school absolutely magnificent facility and just to see that as a hallmark and a pinnacle of the work that the community from ferdinand has done it's just really really notable and i just wanted to share my congratulations to the community on that the other thing i've had a chance to do is to be a cascadia i've had a chance to hear from
004students firsthand and share with them why i wanted to be a superintendent i've also had opportunities to meet with a lot of district uh individuals whether it's been district leaders teachers union groups to just the process has been very comprehensive and thorough and i have enjoyed tackling and fielding all the different types of questions um one of the questions that i'm just going to get off the uh right out of the bat is why am i wearing this just so we're all clear i just had recently had foot surgery and um this is the first time i've ever had to wear something like that but it also gives me a lot of awareness of what individuals who have some sort of physical ailment or physical disability it taught me firsthand what they go through i'd
005like to share a little bit about myself and for those of you who have heard this whether you tuned in on saturday or you've been part of the sessions today ferndell is an absolutely incredible community and i want to be here and not only do i want to be here i want to be here for a very long time i grew up and was raised and graduated in summer washington a very small community and one of the things that a small community one summer really appreciated were all the interactions knowing everybody everybody turning out for a basketball game or a football game as a common event on a friday night attending the parades and various music programs or orchestra those types of things and bringing the community together is absolutely one of the key things
006that i have heard from this community and a lot of the research i've done about how incredible for neil and i just uh i think that one of the unique things that i want to share about why i'm so excited about ferndale is in doing all of that research and identifying what the needs were what the successes were what the celebrations have been it really lines up really well with my core values some of those core values involve the following i very much believe in building relationships i also very feel very strongly about the term wisdom and what i like to refer to as wisdom is listening and learning also honoring the past i also feel very strongly that only good teams good organizations and also communities are built on trust that's very important to
007me the other thing that is uh has become a core value of mine that i feel very strongly about you is fiscal responsibility and fiscal management and i certainly am looking forward to answering any questions you might have on that later on also the number one driver in basically uh my lens as far as everything that we do is the work we do around student learning and being rigorous for student learning and student achievement it is actually the question why we're here and i always channel a lot of my questions that are fielded at me or the challenges that i've experienced in some leadership along those lines of answering what is serving students what is the best for students the other thing that also is extremely important to me is teaming and collaboration not only
008with the people that i would be working with but also they want to instill those types of things in our children here in ferndale and that would be an absolute priority to me the last thing that's also on my wrist that i feel very important that i'm actually passing forward and sharing forth because it was so freely given to me was this whole notion of building others capacity and modeling that and in doing that working as a team and really raising everybody up so they're all better in the positions and roles they're at so i share those things because i also in listening to a lot of parents leaders teachers inferno one thing has been really clear about the pride of cte programs the pride of the high school passing the bomb the pride around
009the lummy nation and also the ability to have incredible programs at the high school specifically that kids can really identify with and engage and this morning was a clear example of that when i had four students share and talk with me about some of the incredible things that are going there the other things that have been shared as well have been issues that have been uh involving the district involving the community but they were also very very quick to point out to me and some of those issues of communication and physical responsibility were things that were brought up as well as other things as well and when i listened to the list of items and i considered my core values i thought ferndale is going to be a great place to be a superintendent and
010ferndale is going to be a great opportunity for me with some of the experiences that i have had to bring in full center front and center and supporting kids and our student learning care and supporting our families supporting our teachers and also supporting the people that are doing also some really heavy lifting are building leaders so in going over that i'm really excited about that and just to give you a quick snapshot of the parts of my experience that i feel like i'm bringing to this opportunity is from where it all started i really believe that you have to have people in ferndale also share this you have to have experience and so i bring 15 years of classroom experience in teaching middle school and high school science and mathematics i also had a chance
011to become a high school principal because once i was done with the classroom i really wanted to make a bigger difference and a broader difference in supporting all learning for all students throughout the entire school and i had the chance to be a high school principal i've also had a chance to visit two other countries uh my wife and i we decided to go travel to shanghai china a job initially teaching and ended up the principal there and that was an incredible opportunity because we wanted to go and be part of a different community in albany even though it was in a city of 18 million people it was a very small community in the school that we're at and we had a chance to do all the research about that wonderful place so the
012other part then after that returned back to the states and i've had a chance to have experience as being an instructional coach of leading teaching and learning in classrooms for three years i've had a chance to be a director of ell i've had a chance to be the administrator that is involved in liaising and partnering with our tribal nation down in kewalo with the puyallup tribe something that has been immensely mentally rewarding and those relationships i still have also i've had a chance to be a director of instruction on leadership overseeing k-12 mathematics and science so i understand what's involved when you go through an adoption what some of our fearless leaders in in ferndale are going through when they're doing some of that important work with regards to teaching and learning i've been a
013director of teaching excuse me and technology i've been a director of innovation and most relatively you might be asking where's your experience with being an area superintendent or superintendent i have a chance in working my way up in kewalo a place that i worked for over two decades and i had the opportunity to move into a role of area superintendent or chief academic officer and just look quickly in kiwala district 23 000 we sought to make it smaller by regionalizing it and so the main superintendent broke it up into three regions and identified three individuals chief academic officers american superintendents to oversee those three regions what a wonderful opportunity to get that because in doing so we did make this big district it was eighth ninth largest in the state even smaller i have that
014opportunity wonderful opportunity in working with a profile of schools very similar to ferndale one high school two junior highs and five elementary schools and so i know firsthand that with that same configuration what that looks like in ferndale and i feel like that's a tremendous asset there most notably i have a chance to work with teaching and learning and the building leaders as a chief academic officer in supporting all of our principals and aps in all the student work learning work they were doing as well as helping with get a levy and bonds pass as well as working with principals on master schedules and enrollment all sorts of things teaching and learning being in classrooms and being visible and that has been the most rewarding as uh what mark also shared was he also shared
015something that was really powerful and that i'm currently in bogota i am not latino i'm from sumner and from uh you know from i'm actually from this from washington have been all my life we decided to do another trip and be part of that uh experience down in bocaton colombia where we've been involved with the school just under 2000 and that's been a wonderful opportune learning experience i say all these things because i'm ready and super interested and want to be here in front down to be the next ferndale superintendent so with that i would love to entertain some of the questions good job john okay so we got about maybe a dozen 15 questions some of them overlap so i'm going to kind of condense them a little bit excuse me thank you thank
016you i'm going to condense them a little bit and kind of make it work also make them a little more general because we want to use similar questions for the three nights in a row some of them are specific candidate or another so first question okay about what you are most passionate about in education and maybe elaborate what you're most passionate about outside of it thank you one of the uh parts that we were working on that i was really pleased to work on in roman tower with the international school there i had an opportunity to if we were gonna start from scratch and really kids where they're at and the things that they're interested in we had a chance to travel all around the world to see various innovation programs and i was super
017impressed and proud of the work we did by taking all that information and coming up with a k-12 program that really was at the heart of kids passions for learning and what they really appreciated and this is all very simple similar to project-based learning it's called design thinking but it's basically where kids take something that they are very passionate about they become and are the center of their own learning they identify a solution that they're going to tackle and then through a series of interviews and work and that there's a model that's followed kids are able to from kindergarten to grade 12 in a sequence really clearly go through and do these uh projects and be passionate about that be completely invested and that when i walked into classrooms and saw that going on was
018absolutely thrilling and passionate for me and i've had a chance then to bring all the things that i've known into those projects and number one student learning as i shared before there was no better way to engage kids than we have in the three years that i've been working down in berkeley through this project-based learning um style with all the three-grade or all the three four divisions that we had so that's one thing that i'm really really passionate about is ultimately how do we engage students in real world relevant education that is means a lot to them and how do we really engage them in bringing them front and center in tackling issues that are relevant to them because that then builds the excitement for learning uh and so that was just an absolute um
019wonderful piece as far as a passion that i do outside yes so i love being outdoors i love to stay physically fit i love music my family is absolutely super important to me and supporting my kids they're very involved with sports and also other activities and that right now is a dab that's really front and center to me and a real passionate uh part of what i like to do i also really enjoy reading and i really enjoy uh being out and about being outdoors camping skiing and uh spending time in our one of our favorite lakes thank you [Music] to share your thoughts about the role of business and service organizations uh and in terms of being a partner with the school certainly one of the pieces that i felt truly strongly about was
020how did we abridge the gap from school to career and what we found is we started tackling that both not just um not just in kewalo but also in shanghai and also in bogota where we started to find our business leaders that were that we could turn them into mentors and create internships so that the kids that were really interested in certain careers could go pursue and see what that's like out through an internship to see if that's something that they really wanted to do no better way to do that than partnering with the business community whether it's a person that's doing something like accounting or construction management or a lawyer or a doctor giving kids an opportunity to see that in action to see if that is still something they're interested in has been
021absolutely important in a lot of the work that we have done and so that is one way because once the business once we have the business people be engaged and interested in that we have them and then we have better partnerships we have the ability then which then drew more business partnerships because they want to get into the game of mentoring kids and also sharing a lot more about their craft and what they went to school for and that just really built the kids capacity but it also built our parents and our business leaders capacity that's one example but i also believe that being visible out of the community often with the community so you're hearing some of those challenges and things that are going on because those are opportunities that if we're going to
022maintain that partnership we have to be really solid and making sure we understand where everyone's at as well as the priorities for business and the priorities for our school district so making sure you're partnering that up and marrying those thank you with cerneal having such a large geographical boundary stretching from north bellingham to chester how will you try to unify the district how will you ensure that all members of the community have a voice in the work of the schools thank you wayne um i think if i i might be wrong on this and i don't like to quote members if i'm not correct i think it's 110 square miles or something like that for the um for dance school district i say that because puyallup was 55 square miles and one of the things
023that i feel very strongly especially after all the research and conversations i have with individuals parents community members people in business and even students today and leaders one of the things that i feel very strongly about is having listening sessions where we're getting a chance for our community to come in and then creating some established agreements and norms for those sessions where people can have a chance to voice some of the things that are on their mind things that they're struggling with things that would prevent us from number one improving student learning by having those partners at home but also number two how are we going to bridge that gap and make sure that we bring our community in as voters to support what is needed in our schools whether that's with capital projects funding
024technology levies bonds whatever it may be and so those listening sessions and i've done them before and i feel uh privileged to have an opportunity to facilitate a lot of those sessions and have some training official uh professional training on how to facilitate those meetings and so that would be a priority for me coming in and working with the board of directors closely but also conducting listening sessions to bring those voices in from the 110 square miles if they want to and also give a chance outside of a board meeting to be able to listen to what's going on what those concerns are or maybe things that we're missing that should be celebrated so that would be one thing that would be absolutely priority for one for me thank you how would you support co-curricular
025activities for students i think the number one thing is my attending being visible out in the community at deca [Music] debate at a football game basketball game at a choir concert those are the things that illustrate oh the leader finds that interesting or they value it enough to spend their time to be there that's the priority for me and that's not hard for me when i was in puella i've had i have five children and my oldest daughter was in the concert choir and did that all through high school glove always intensity attending the choirs when um other members of my family have been involved i go to that but also i am always as a chief academic officer been to those because the people that are doing those co-curricular activities love to see leaders
026at their events and there's nothing that builds a sense of pride and i think building co-curricular programs like that in addition to that there's going to be times where we need to have conversations even if it's financial that are supporting those co-curricular activities we really need especially coming out of the pandemic we need those co-curricular activities to balance the need to get back on track with academics and reading writing mathematics and science but we need that balance that the co-curricular activities provide and also those are those outlets to also help our students that are struggling reacclimating to the schools after the pandemic those are extremely important as well until i get back furthermore talk about your background in working with school district finances bonds ladies um as i shared in the beginning courtesy of working
027in all those very various director jobs i had the luxury of overseeing a lot of budgets and budgets that were quite uh hefty in their price tag with money that we were using to help support schools i've had a chance to work with multi-million dollar budgets related to a district improvement plan as far as specifically improving mathematics and reading and that required a lot of fiscal agency and oversight and planning i've had a chance to work with budgets with title pll i've worked with our schools specifically our principals because we're dealing with enrollment and that is the number one thing that's driving a lot of our staffing and that's been very important i've also had a chance to we had some opportunities where we had some failed bonds in puella which is the closest thing
028not bogota but in kewalo we had some opportunities that i'd just love to share with you we have a history of almost i want to say almost six years where we were struggling to pass upon it might even be more than that um i want to say maybe five bonds where we had not passed one and we had some very much emerging needs we had overcrowded classrooms we had buildings uh where roasts working held together with just you know bunches of tar and flashing and we were in desperate need and so we kind of re-thought our strategy and what we elected to do is because we're having such a difficult time we decided to run a capital projects levy instead and we got razor sharp clear with what we needed to fix in certain schools
029that we couldn't go further without having support from the community to having classes in those schools we also put together a very important bond advisory to build understanding and to gather the information to really be very clear what needed to go on that capital projects levy when that happened we were able to by virtue of the fact it was a levy we had a chance to pass that and then work really hard to deliver that product just as promised to the voters i say that because then what we did is we quickly turned around built on that success and started we hired some individuals to help us take a look at what the bond oversight would be and what could we put on the bond that's not only going to be addressing the needs but
030also beforehand when we do the capital projects levy some of the things that were on that would roll over a few of them and what we ended up doing then after that is we ran the bond on a promise that if we're able to pass this bond we will stop collecting on the project by the capital projects levy and we would focus and that would be the only money that we would be collecting whether it was titling whether it was the right opportunity whether it was the countless hours that we put in educating various people in our community which was extremely important to bring the numbers the dollars for assessed value to all of the stakeholders and having forums whatever the stars aligned and we ended up passing them on 68 and we're really really
031proud of that because we needed to build a new elementary and it was going to be one of the largest elementary schools in the state of washington housing over 1067 kids that and that was in the region that i oversaw below and so those types of things all the work that went into the bond and levy for that it was really successful for us and so that's some of my experience and with levies what we do is oftentimes we just are very very clear because we have usually and having much less of a difficult time passing 11 but you have to do really good solid work as far as communicating the plan the cost to taxpayers and all of that so this is uh some of the work i did in kewalo and i really
032felt it was fantastic and would be very interested in partnering with the board to talk about various ideas if there are a bond is in our future or a levy and some strategies that might work i also might have that that same strategy can be used in kewalo tacoma and peninsula school distributes the same strategy and found it to be successful as well and so um we're really proud of that because at the end of the day we got back to class sizes that meet where they needed me out even in building that large school and so anyway i'll leave with that and i've also had a lot of work with uh renovating two junior highs in the region that i oversaw using state match dollars something that's absolutely critical to utilize if you have
033that ability thank you what sports would you like to see in regards to diversity equity and inclusion in the school district what have you observed that you like in terminals what would you like to do what might you like to improve okay i think the one thing that i i i feel very strongly about equity inclusion diversity but as i have been sharing today i shared on saturday i think it is very very important to get really clear on what we mean by equity really clear what we mean by inclusion and what i mean by that too is i feel like first of all i need to spend some time because there's already been some tremendous work that has gone on in ferndale but as i shared before i want to do some uh real
034safe work with the school board and finding out some of the history behind the equity work that's been done and the diversity work because i want to take it forward and i don't want to replicate i don't want to step in holes as the leader of the district before finding out what has been the context of what's been the work going on that has been going on that said number one i believe very strongly in ensuring that all kids feel like they have a sense of belonging and that they're valued and that they're respected nothing is more unsafe nothing is more important to me than those things as far as making sure that we are including everybody in this educational process here so based on that i would answer also the question this way once
035we have some agreement about what and we're clear on what we mean by equity and what we mean by equity or excuse me um inclusion and diversity i would really be interested in sitting down with the school board and also with a group of people that feel very strongly about this within the school system about possibly creating some operating principles or principles that are really operationalizing what equity would look like so those things are that would be probably amongst my priorities i will share this too uh again i shared this uh on saturday on the saturday interview and so please forgive the redundancy but one of the things that we found out that was happening in our classrooms happening in our schools or our teachers and our even our building leaders we're needing some additional
036help and support on how to handle matters that would fall under the umbrella of equity inclusion and diversity and the important thing that i would feel very strongly about is making sure that they have the support to answer and to help support the kids going through things families going through things teachers going through things that are all under that umbrella of equity inclusion and the other part is is that we actually became kind of an organic way our principles that were in the region that i oversaw it started out as a really simple conversations how are you all doing this how are you tackling the issue of that it came from everything from closing the achievement gap to helping special education students and to other narratives that were happening within the community or within the
037school and by having allowing a little bit of a forum or time for the principals to air those concerns we created some synergy well how are we gonna fix that what does anybody have to say about that and what we figured out is we didn't have all the answers but collectively we started to kind of get on a path where we could help our building leaders teachers and our students address some of those things that were happening in schools so um [Music] what is your experience and maybe some strategies or approaches uh in serving as an instructional leader involving traditionally marginalized groups certainly one of the areas that in under when i was working as director of instructional leadership we were going through a number of curriculum adoptions in mathematics and in science and one
038of the things that i felt was really important to address were our marginalized students and making sure that the new curriculums that we were bringing in were going to help not only our students that might be have special needs but also have the supports for our english language learners and would also help our making sure that our different demographics within our school district could see themselves in the curriculum whether it's images stories and that was really important to us but it was really important when we talked to parents and students for them to be able for students to see themselves in that curriculum for parents to see a latino latinx latina student involved in pictures about students visible with disabilities and so one of the things that we wanted to focus on is making sure
039that we used and leveraged some of our policy language to gather and survey and bring parent group together before we did the adoption to ask them that question and we found that that was a very powerful tool for us to use to ask actually ask those groups or people represented from those groups how does this work for you and that's always been a strategy i've used is ask that question is that working for you do you see yourself here and so that's been one of the ways that we've done that the second thing that have been very important in the work i've done both in science and mathematics as an instructional leader has been the plc's that we've made we actually carved time out in kewalo for those groups to meet and we really use
040there's a fantastic work book called learning by doing by before that really lays out we're gonna come together as a team how do we work well together how do we look at the data properly and how do we identify how various groups in various tiers or the groups out how people are doing and are we meeting their needs and are we getting the results that we wanted and through those plc's where we carved time out and met regularly those were some very uh simple and yet important ways in order to close some of those gaps and so it's been some of the best work we've done because i was able to bring some of my work with from title and ell and some of the other work that i've done together into a coherent uh
041way of addressing thank you excuse me about ten minutes and four questions okay share your ideas on advancing trauma-informed practices please forgive my reference to puella but it's really important that i anchor things in specifics so you know what's important actual things that i've done rather than just talking about something that i would plan to do we in our monthly opportunities with our principals our directors and building leaders we had an opportunity to talk with jim schwarler if you're not familiar with jim sporeletter in his work he was one of the first individuals in uh lincoln school in the middle of the state that talked about trauma informed practices thesis adverse childhood experiences and it was so powerful for us that we started to take a look and when we had the session with him
042we got to ask him questions we immediately started to look at what kind of things do we need to do both within a school building which involved our principals and teachers but also the district office so that we could support that kind of trauma that we knew the kids were experiencing from aces and i'm happy to say it has led to some of the most groundbreaking support systems that we had in pueala at least up until the time i left a few years back in that we as one example we found as a partner with joint accord we contacted them and they were really interested in putting a medical facility in one of our schools and immediately i raised my hand i said let it be in our region we'll pilot and we did that
043we put a medical facility albeit it was mostly to help our students because we had a large military population we had an opportunity to support them and some of the things that they were challenged with but that was one example among a few that we uh try to really operationalize how we were supporting those trauma informed practices in the school as well as having professional development in our buildings and teaching teachers more about that and what a lot of teachers really appreciated that because they learned firsthand that it doesn't have anything to do with the behavior of the student more of the trauma that's behind the behavior and that really helped our teachers we still had to work a lot on the actual behaviors but that was really important as a ground base for some
044of the work we did thank you what's your do you share your view on the role of librarians in this book i had this question today uh the question i'm gonna i'm gonna share what the question was today because um i think that librarians are in the work that the librarians do absolutely pivotal to what is necessary for students to understand how to research and that's the angle on this on this part in at cng the school line out at the international in bogota over the last three years we have wanted to expand the role and repurpose the role of our librarians to encompass more than just the traditional sense of being a librarian we wanted to empower those individuals more by bringing them current into 21st century practices as well as making them because
045they were fte or they involved they were a staff member we wanted to include the work that they did more succinctly into our project-based learning that i described earlier and so what we did is we started using them more um in a concept that they call makerspaces where students go in and they're basically allowed during when they're conducting this project to do a series of uh make their project and we have the librarians helping out facilitate those conversations with kids helping them research so expanding the role that they do i do believe that there needs to be a little bit of an upgrade to what the librarian might do because just bringing it up to 21st century standards but though the details and the rules that you do are extremely important what two or three
046gems or spotlight experiences will you bring to ferndale from your previous experiences sure um i think the for me as a both an educator a learner and a the leader to go research like i've already shared with you project we called it project 2025 on the project-based learning that is agenda because i was able to bring all of this work as a prior principal a teacher and a director of instructional leadership all into a focus on one thing that's really focused on improving kids engagement in the classroom with certain projects that they feel are important that's one job the other part is i also feel like it's a real gem as far as the understanding different cultures understanding what you have in your community as far as different groups and how they can be honored
047and how different groups can really add to the diversity and the overall experience of a community whether it's the latinx community whether it's the lummy nation anything having that makes us better having a broader perspective about the global world and what's going on beyond whatcom county washington state and in the world only serves us better and it's not just my opinion people who have been overseas or been international or traveled a lot they understand this as well and so that's a real gem for me and the last jib i would say is there's nothing better nothing better than the thought of being in a small town community and going to a football game on friday night that's a gem because that's something that i've always been involved with as part of being in smaller communities
048and i'm just really looking forward to that so collectively from those experience that's what i say i would say thank you last question okay say you like to read what is the last book you've read right i'm right now i just finished and i'm sharing this with board members it's called the river of doubt by uh it was written by um but anyway it's a story uh because i'm living right now in south america it's a story of teddy roosevelt's uh uh journey down into the south american amazon rainforest and what he's going to do and he thinks it's going to be fairly straightforward and easy because teddy roosevelt was an explorer in an adventure he thought it would be real easy and he's going to navigate one of the first individuals down what was
049called the river of doubt and the experiences that he ran into and nearly died a really good book i recommend it and a lot of the books i read i love to look at those lessons especially in leadership and that's one of the reasons why i have an affinity to books on historical leaders thank you john thank you john thank you take a couple minutes for a closing statement and then we'll probably give you a round of applause that would be wonderful thank you so i just want to i want to say this i just feel absolutely privileged to be here today and to go through all of the interviews i've had the questions i've had to feel the people i've had to meet the people i've met and i've enjoyed it absolutely have enjoyed
050this process you know someone was shouting with your name oh my gosh you're here from 7 30 to 8 30. i haven't used the beat and i've enjoyed every minute and as female superintendent you can expect the same timeless energy and you can expect the devotion to student learning and also being a dedicated member of this community moving forward something that i look forward to and having more conversations with all of you and all of our individuals and kids and leaders in our students thank you very much so not tomorrow night but wednesday and thursday night same time two more candidates as the board moves forward uh their deliberations on the selection of your new superintendent thanks for being here thank you very much you're participating good questions thank you very much and please complete
051the surveys that you have there that uh get this on but just please do your surveys and turn them in and and the board will read them tonight so thank you again and i think you got announcement to make kevin so i just want to thank everyone that's here both um in person and um online please do fill out those surveys um our experience from saturday we've got a lot of good comments we appreciate those on making this decision um again as mark and we said we will have similar forums on wednesday and thursday nights with our other candidates um and then we'll be deliberating and making a final decision on thursday night and announcing it friday morning so thank you again at this time the board is going to uh go into another executive
052session where we'll be talking with dr parker some more and that would be the best chance to fill out those surveys for us to look at so thank you everyone for being here good evening just wanted to give those of you they're continuing to watch an update um we are still in executive session we anticipate being about another 30 minutes and um then we'll either come out make another announcement of extending that time or a journey so thank you for continuing to be with us another picture good evening once again just wanted to update those of you watching online um we are now concluding our executive session no decisions have been made and we are now adjourning our meeting thank you for watching