001[Music] [Applause] roll call darling Robert Hart here Hugh flat here David arnsdorf here Kevin Cox staff Michael Redmond here Mike Lemieux here John Reiser here and myself Deborah Williams we have a quorum is from the commentary General is anyone here from the uh you want to make a public comment s and disability virtual homework there's no one in the waiting room the next item in the agenda is the approval of the agenda move to approve second bye [Applause] of the minutes from the May 25th 2013 any comments on the minute thank you motion to approve the minutes second favor hi minutes are approved appeals action and show cost hearing we have we have the first appear on the agenda is 230 23 12 60. from at the 1100 Broadway Street Ann Arbor Michigan and we
002have African virtually for this how do you do their staff report first so we'll have our staff report all right Steph recommends that this application would be tonight is it does not meet the standards for approval the building located at 1100 Broadway requires an emergency backup generation generator to be installed per section 403 of the 2015 Michigan building code petitioner is requesting to connect a temporary emergency backup generator into the portable generator cabinet intended for use when the main permanent generator requires service by doing so they eliminate the code required connection point listed in article 700.3 F temporary source of power for maintenance or repair of the alternate source of power in this configuration if maintenance were required on the emergency generator there would not be a location to connect a temporary generator which makes
003this configuration less than equivalent to the code requirements this is being proposed to obtain temporary certificates of occupancy for the first two floors while waiting for the permanent generator to be delivered during this time the upper three floors of the building will be at varying degrees of completion and still undergoing construction of differing levels I'd like to add a recent update based on current inspections the project has moved forward with connecting the portable generator to the permanent generator lugs at the inspection conducted 718 2023 the generator connection to the permanent emergency generator lugs was approved at an inspection performed 720 2023 the remote generator annunciator panel was not compatible with the mobile generator that was installed as of 720 no load testing of the generator had been conducted the remote generator enunciator is a required
004element of the emergency backup generator this is the what's going on since it was the staff report that's great thank you so can I ask a quick question does that change your position on the recommendation it does not okay so can I ask a question as well I want to make sure I understand what's so we've got two panels correct correct one designed for the permanent one and one designed for a temporary emergency correct connection Okay so we've got a temporary generator connected to the permanent panel right now correct but nothing connected to the emergency and the emergency generator cannot connect to that panel there's some compacting compatibility issue so the way that they moved forward is different than what the appeal is okay the way they moved forward was they have the temporary generator
005hooked up in the permanent location okay the connection the actual connections have been inspected and approved in this configuration it would leave the essentially essentially auxiliary panel accessible if the one in the permanent position needed servicing okay um and that's the current configuration okay in its current configuration it hasn't had load testing and there's an issue with the enunciator panel that's on site but as far as location and connection the way it sits now is as though it were the permanent generator okay so presumably when the permanent generator arrived they would connect a temporary generator on the temporary panel take the existing temporary one out and put the new permanent one in exactly yeah foreign site group we're the developer of 1100 Broadway and The Beekman Broadway project I am joined online today by Eric
006Stein Eric is a principal with the engineering Studio daily project electrical engineering and also the phone number used to be 847 that's my colleague Tom Cahill Thomas the senior project manager instruction project on site and we want to thank you for the opportunity to uh to speak today um I'd like to just quickly clarify that the discussion of the generator and potentially connecting it in a permanent ways it's just it's not germane to what we're talking about in terms of the requests that we're making the appeal um I have a few comments I'd like to explain on our position and of course I'm happy to answer any questions yeah so the problem we had reason for the appeal is straightforward permanent generator is delayed due to pandemic supply chain disruption it's a problem that we
007have proposed is to utilize a temporary generator on an interim brief basis on total permanent generator which is in process of being procured is delivered and installed and I want to just make it crystal clear that we are in no way proposing to eliminate the permanent generator we install a cabinet to facilitate a connection of a temporary General it effectively makes the plug-and-play installation so you can bring it out to the site reel it up plug it in it's a quick simple installation and that cabinet has already been installed so what we are posing is to connect the temporary generator to that cabinet and the basis of our appeal is that in doing so it's it's an equivalent installation now the city response is Mike mentioned in the staff report is that if maintenance were
008required there would not be a location to conduct a temporary generator and that's the basis of his of their rejection of our solution and I I we cannot we vehemently disagree with this with this position and I'd like to explain why so when scheduled maintenance of attempt of the temporary generator would be required and and mind you um maintenance on the temporary generator isn't required until you've achieved 300 300 hours of runtime on the temporary generator so we're all in this business we know that that amount of time is you know it's it's it's a vast amount of time so um so it's unlikely that we would even get to a maintenance situation but but for the sake of this discussion let's assume you know we do get to that point somehow and when maintenance
009is required um the way it's performed is you don't disconnect the generator the people would come to it and during the maintenance they they they may have to turn it off at times some of some of the maintenance they can do is plugged in on other maintenance that they do they need to turn it off but if and again this is kind of a stars aligning situation but if somebody was outperforming maintenance on the generator and it was that important that the maintenance where it was turned off and at that exact moment DTE had an eruption in power than the maintenance tech would just stopped the maintenance and turn it back on so it's it's not a situation of being without power um and in addition if there were a slightly different situation or let's
010say the Contemporary generator required some kind of repair similar to the permanent generator required by repair well in that situation regardless of which generator needed repair it's the same exact steps a call is made to Sun belts and we have a temporary generator delivered to the site if the permanent were in place you would just bring this you would wheel up the temporary generator and plug it in in the case we're proposing they would bring the new generator to the site so it's the same exact amount of time to get it to the site the only difference is is that you would have to unplug and wheel out the existing temporary generator and then wheel in and plug in the new one and that's that process is measured in minutes so um I would just
011I guess I would stop there I that's that's how we see it it seems pretty straightforward so our request is that you grant our appeal to utilize the temporary generator on this interim basis connected to the the plug-in until the permanent generator is installed foreign yeah I do yeah so at present the temporary generator is actually connected to the permanent generator connections are you going to disconnect it and move it back over to the temporary panel uh yesterday but we wanted and again I don't know that really that's what's remain for today's discussion but I but since you brought it up we were attempting to proceed with that as a workaround to even coming to the board of appeals but with the requirements that have been laid out by by the building department it's we
012can't meet their their demand for what the that they needed to they want some kind of exact replication of a permanent generator and good faith we tried you know we spent money and time doing that um but it doesn't appear that that's ever going to work so um so that's not what we're talking about today we're just talking about going back to our original solution interest level you know use the temporary and plug-in configuration one other question when you have the permanent generator in place will you also have a temporary generator on site all the time no no once the permanent generator comes out and is installed what we will have David is a um we'll have a uh the plug the cabinet for the plug-in and then in the event that we need a
013temporary generator it would be delivered to the site plugged in okay what powers the portable generator is it is a diesel base or is there a diesel connection like there is it is it is so that will be connected to uh diesel tank is that yeah let me why don't I have Tom why don't you answer just a technical question the reportable generators on the trailer okay and the the building is under construction so there'll be a situation where a couple of floors might be occupied but construction will be continuing on the upper floors are all the emergency systems for the upper floors in place and functional well I with all due respect that what is the relevance of that question to the question of whether we can use this temporary generator it would be
014the same issue whether it's permanent or temporary I don't see where that's part of today's discussion I'm asking the question could you just answer it please I'd just like to know it gets into another topic that is not part of the agenda today that could be perhaps confusing to the issue at hand we don't mean to be argumentative but there's there's other discussions that are going on with the building department about some of that okay then never mind um how big is the tank on this temporary generator I thought it'd be refilled over hours or how is that monitored if it is enough direct rules hello sure if you guys can give us a second we'll find an answer one time you know is it [Applause] okay full capacity yeah a quarter Road believe is
015over 300. 250 hours okay so you know 180 hours okay thank you I think I did send this to you at some point in the past life what is the primary what does the generator primarily power I presume it's not set to power the whole building so there's must be just some but sprinkler systems primarily and some emergency lights I can take a shot at it if you'd like real quick and then there you can correct me and kind of you know this is too general of an answer so it is the source power for the fire pump and then what you would call the emergency system so there's a total of 175 circuits right around nine panels those circuits are emergency lighting elevator light safety system like connection so most of the low voltage
016license systems and then the lighting would be typical emergency lighting in the corridors okay effectively you know 442 [Applause] . that's good enough for me now the city mentioned there's some testing that still needs to be done load testing and such that's correct and I would like to add too that any connection of the generator would need to meet the code minimums for Life Safety be that the enunciating panel that you know isn't currently like those types of things will have to be in place um and I don't think that I don't I don't know that part of the appeal was to um not have those in place like it's something that Ron said it struck me is that we were requesting things that were unreasonable as for a temporary generator there are certain functions
017that that has to perform to keep all of the life safety elements that are required online so I don't I don't believe that this is appeal for any of those in saying that I believe that the temporary generator needs to be hooked up in a way that it functions exactly the same way as the permanent generator is intended to because it is intended for Life Safety purposes [Applause] go ahead Tom you could start but I want to just before you say that Mike this is a temporary generator it's not intended to be a permanent installation the permanent generator would come this is an interim period this temporary generator will function just as it's intended and designed to to uh to act that's the whole point is that it's not permanent we're not trying to make
018a temporary generator permanent we were trying a good faith to do that by taking this interpret gender temporary generator and making some changes to it and wiring it up in a way that it typically isn't used to try to gain your acceptance and it's become I think clear to us that we're not going to be able to do that but the code does not require that it's temporary generator be connected that way Tom if you want to add to that yeah agencies [Music] so that we could attempt to use this generator portable generator on Wheels as a permanent generator as a worker like that earlier and and we proved today that we can't operate the generator but the enunciator panel would connect to the permanent generator in a way that the portable generator so what
019run Point Ron's trying to make is Morningside originally and today as requested to use the portable generator on Wheels Through the portable generator cabinet in that configuration the unknown theater panel is irrelevant because it goes with the permanent generator not a temporary generator but but certainly announces isn't the basic code say that there has to be enunciation if the emergency generator kicks on right that's my understanding I mean that's what the girl says so that I mean this seems like but on one hand it's saying that the temporary is going to be functioning exactly as the as the permanent as an interim method but it's not really so I mean Robert Robert can I can I speak can I want to address your point because I I understand what you're saying yeah but let me
020give an example to kind of explain what's happening let's say for example that we weren't here the permanent generator came what it was supposed to and was installed and we got our TCL okay and then let's say two days later the thing turns out to be a lemon and it doesn't work in that case we would order a temporary generator plug it in as it's provided for and it would run until we had a permanent generator repaired or replaced or whatever the case may be there would be no enunciator panel connected to that that's the point the code doesn't require it so that situation is already contemplated it's happening and Eric can speak to the NEC and I am no expert on the code but I do understand through the provisions it's been explained to
021me there is nothing in the NEC that limits the amount of time that the temporary generator can run in that scenario that I just outlined now obviously you want to fix it let's put those possible the goal is not to you know continue to run on it any second longer than you have to but I'm I'm just saying the code doesn't it's very specific it doesn't require the same sort of connections and requirements for the temporary as it does for the permanent and the reason again is to kind of go way back to the beginning the only reason we're here is we are snarled up in a you know it's in the supply chain disruption due to the pandemic so we are actively working with I don't know if you're all aware it's a Cummins
022generator and we're actively working with Cummins and the electrical contractor to get that damn generator out as quickly as we can they were pushing very hard or doing everything you can to expedite it to minimize the time frame time frame that uh Mike mentioned in his um in staff report is meant to be conservative um we certainly hope to have it connected before that but I can't guarantee it but we tried to be conservative at the time frame never put out so that's I think that that's a key distinction that gets confusing because and I can forgive you you're probably not aware of this issue until you saw the staff report or asked a few questions of each other but this is this attempt to connect a temporary generator to the building and make it
023quote unquote permanent was really just a workaround to try to solve the problem in good faith we did it we weren't sure it was a great idea it started out with saying we make it permanent and then it seemed like you know every day every week there were more and more requirements to make it not just you know equivalent but now it had to be exactly the same to make it permanent and I just we can't satisfy every one of those requirements we've been trying a good faith and we can get it most of the way there but there are things that we just can't make happen because it is by definition temporary so so all those things about well you have to make this generator have all these permanent features they're not germane to
024this notion that we use a temporary generator on an interim basis I understand that but okay that's not I mean that the conversation wasn't really going that way it was suggesting that there was an equivalency of the portable functioning like the permanent and there's a section in the code that was in the NEC that was in our packet that basically seems to indicate that if the permanent generator um is disconnected from the emergency system that their their be a an enunciation at a location remote from the generator I guess I don't understand why that's so hard to accomplish well what does the enunciation panel do it it it lets you know that there's an emergency situation is it all over the building well it is an intercom system all over the building depending the way
025I understand it there are several kinds but it can also tell you exactly where there's where the problem is you know if it's a problem at a particular smoke detector or some other device that's being monitored as part of the emergency system so if there's a glitch in this somehow in the circuitry between the emergency generator and at the emergency generator it'll let you know that there's that there's a problem um so Robert would it feel would it be okay if I asked Eric Stein electrical engineer to speak to this disorder yeah could you please correct anything that may have been incorrectly stated by me please yes yes um so I understand the concern about the immunization so I will refer to the code section that's in the packet it's 700.3f into that is uh
026F5 right where it says the switching means show include a contact point that shall enunciate at a location remote from the generator or at another facility system to indicate that the permanent Emergency Services disconnected from the emergency system so that the code requirements here for enunciation is simply to say that we're using temporary generator rather than a permanent generator and that is typically accomplished at the portable generator connection cabinet it's essentially saying we're using the temporary connectors not the permanent connectors and that's what the code requires it's it should not be confused with a typical generator enunciator panel which for a permanent insulation which would be connected to the generator and it would report many additional pieces of information further generated so what I believe that morning Cycles trying to accomplish previously was to get
027them regular permanent and mode enunciator panel connected to the temporary General it can monitor all sorts of functions but that's not what this code section requires it's simply saying and so in this case once that portable cabinet is manually transferred to the temporary side there will be a contact in that cabinet and it will enunciate remotely that we would be using temporary General it's not any comment about that two two three um I don't but we also have uh John lockdar electrical inspector here if we have more specific code questions he's more knowledgeable than I am on electrical code requirements um so if you have have questions we could direct to him fire department excuse me um I actually do have a comment on this list the fire marshal um so your intention and I
028want to kind of work off your statement here you want to put a temporary generator in that's going to power Your Life Safety Systems and you're doing this for the intent to occupy a building so in my mind you want to take an emergency situation to occupying a building to me it's apples to oranges if you have a permanent generator and you're already an occupied building that has its capacity and then you have an emergency that requires a temporary generator then that's what you have to do what you're trying to do is create an emergency situation to occupy a building oh Michael I I agree with much of what you just said where I would differ with you as we're not trying to we're not trying to do this what we're what we're doing is
029we're trying to solve a problem which is the permanent generator is just not yet available to the site and this is a project it's it's it's you know supply chain issues abound in construction and we're trying to find a solution to this one so we're trying to remedy a problem we're not trying to eliminate the permanent generator if we're up to us we have the permanent generator installed but I understand you just said well you know as long as you have the permanent installed already you know that's that's the next thing you do you know you rely on the temporary we're saying well we just don't have the temp we don't have the permanent generator we can't get it quickly enough and so we would like to use the temporary generator the same way it
030would be used like in my explanation if two days after we install it the thing no longer works so in that sense it's equivalent because in either situation you're running off a off a temporary generator now it's it's not equivalent in the sense that in one scenario the permanent generator functions at least for for some period of time whether it's a day or longer and in the other scenario we're starting out with a temporary generator before the permanent comes but um it's otherwise it performs the same and it's the same code requirements for for the temporary generator and I disagree with you because you're trying to if the building was already occupied under a permanent generator and it failed you would use a temporary but you're already starting off with a shortcoming of Code Compliance
031to try to occupy a building the distinction is is that we're not proposing this um to get away with anything we're not proposing this to make something easier we're proposing it because we are caught up in a supply chain disruption and without doing this then the building can't be occupied so we're trying to we're trying to remedy a situation that would have very significant consequences negative consequences for all the parties involved and again it's we don't know how your generator could go in and it's a day later we're making the switch I mean it's it's it's kind of a uh we're getting caught up in a bit of nuance and obviously we better be permanent generator installed period that's what we all would like but we explained that the reason that we don't have it
032when we're trying to expect the permanent generator to be available so what we've communicated to uh to building department is that we would expect it to be installed and functioning and tested everything else in October which means we would expect the delivery in the later part of September we believe that that is a conservative estimate I can't guarantee that you know obviously we'd like to outperform it we'd rather we're not going to come in and you know propose a date that we know would be wrong and be later we'd rather propose a date and you know come in early but you never prefer that so we're hoping that's the case and we are in constant Communications with Cummins and with the electrical contractor to uh you know anything we can possibly do to expedite it
033and make that happen so this is a this is intended to be a very short um [Music] okay foreign Mr mooch are you okay can any of the other participants hear us this time kale I can hear you again but I lost you for about a minute there what Rhonda speaking I didn't realize symmetra has gone offline I'm sorry let's give it a couple minutes foreign thank you for letting us know be right back dialing in now number ending in one though before that should be Mr Mutual then thank you hello we hear you um any questions about the board um the code citations that are in our packet the uh the 2700 series is that from the fire code the or the building code yeah let me look s this uh that's building code
034it would not be fire my fire code it comes out of chapter six so okay so the PF is just a reference to the cross reference and fire code so one question so we're looking at um a page that describes what is necessary for standby and emergency power things like um load transfer load duration uninterruptable power source that the provision of of Provisions for standby and emergency power I guess my question is if you go ahead and put in a portable um generator and have it try to function or function as a permanent emergency generator will that Arrangement meet all the provisions of the code or are there certain key exceptions that it can't satisfy I'd like to say something and then I'd like to address about that um again just to kind of go
035back to the beginning we're not installing this generator in a permanent capacity no no I understand that wait excuse me excuse me I I understand I understand you're not proposing to do that as a permanent thing I'm just saying that if you're if you're using it as if it was an emergency a permanent emergency generator will that Arrangement meet all the provisions that are listed in the code as far as the capability to do load transfer load duration you know I'm not going to detail them all out here but will it do the same exact thing until the permanent one is in place Eric if you can address that is yes um the the temporary generator is connected in the line of power Connections in the exact same way as the permanent generated so everything
036that was served by emergency systems with the permanent generator is also served by the temporary generator it's the the change is right at the source of power so the portable generator cabinet is the same cabinet that the permanent generator is connected to and the timber temporary generator is connected to and if you had a permanent generator the manual switch would be set on a permanent one and then it would go from there into the building and go through the emergency system if you have a problem with the permanent generator or it's not there then the portable generator cabinet switch is changed to the temporary side and the power instead comes from the temporary generator it goes through the exact same wiring to all of the exact same levels and therefore it has it's capable the
037arrangement the interim Arrangement that you're talking about is capable of responding as quickly and as efficiently as if it was a permanent system yes thank you how many units are on the first and second floor the rocky Prime that's how many how many do all units okay I'm sorry person second yeah you'll probably know those two than the first two floors and Mike can I clarify something I said earlier so I did the math incorrectly on the hours of operation at full load 24 we have to refill the generator every 24 hours if it's running at full capacity okay but that would be something that would be the absolutely once a day if that were here without the enunciators and something should occur with the temporary generator on a weekend say and you're not occupying
038the site how how soon would you find out you have a problem can you please respond temporary generator setup all right I could give you a real life scenario if that's what you want sure yeah sure so it would be the same as if the permanent diesel generator were there and operating on a weekend and for some reason it didn't work or it ran out of diesel fuel and and then it wasn't operating anymore it Powers the light safety systems and the lights in the corridor and the normal communication from the building would be either a tenant would call or there'd be some sort of alarm supervisory or other notifications and then one of our maintenance guys who typically gets the notifications from uh from Central alarm would get notifications that's how it works if
039it was the middle of the night and no Morningside staff was physically anyway that helps did I ask for clarification and that question was was that a question if the generator is running and there's an issue or if the generator is sitting standby because the normal power is on I was trying to explain what would happen if the temporary generator which is you know roughly 40 or 50 feet from where these generators are but it's within a back of houses the tenants and our staff whatever I agree ment generators standby generator without lighting there'd be no remote [Music] there'd be a lack of power to like the fire alarm paint or you know the light should be awkward there'd be a notification as a result of one of those failures does that make sense okay
040questions come forward it was mentioned that this Arrangement was intended to be a short-term Bridge and conservatively that I'm not sure conservatively meaning Which Way conservative liens but that the thing the permanent generator would be installed by October what if that doesn't happen [Music] but like I said earlier I I can't guarantee it so if it took longer then he would continue to have this this um this arrangement in place but again I want to emphasize this matter is being broadcast it's actively being dealt with the highest levels not just the subcontractor but also companies so there's a lot to take here we understand that you know the situation needed to be remedied as quickly as possible and they understand that as well so we're doing everything we possibly can you know to make this
041a short period as possible then again we hope to improve upon the dates that we gave you there [Applause] any questions not gonna be a motion okay I moved it in the case of BBA 22-2004 the appeal of the building officials decision that the work performed at 1100 Broadway is granted relief from article 700.3 of the 2017 National Electric Code that the building board of appeals reverses the building officials decision for the reasons number three the applicant has proposed a temporary equal form of construction with the stipulation that this is intended to be a short-term bridge and with the assurance that the interim temporary system will be as effective and res as responsive as if it was the permanent code mandated fixed emergency generator any comments on the motion just one should we put a
042time limit on it well from what I heard that doesn't sound like it's possible I mean so let's say you put a time limit on of four or five months then what we can have them come back they'll give us an update I guess they would be that you know yeah okay if they don't have if they don't have the generator by the end of September we'd want to report what the status of it is building I don't know it's an update of what let's say we give the building department an update I guess for for an enforcement and I'm just asking could we have clarification on the function how it's supposed to function in that time frame as part of the um Okay so I'll try I'm just that's fine that's fine um it's
043a good point um so as an amendment to the stipulation that the granting of this appeal is subject to being Revisited by October of 2023. and that the applicant will provide um a detailed description of the functioning of the system that will allow for the building department to approve I I'm sorry you're looking for enforcement I'm so I guess I'm just looking for clarification how is it how does the generator need to function as a permanent does it need to function as the permanent generator would okay compliance of all these requirements infection you know 2702 so let me saw those one stipulation right okay um so as a further Amendment to the stipulations that the this interim arrangement [Applause] will comply with all the requirements of the ibc's 2015 section 2700 provisions yeah I just
044I I guess there was a question about how the temporary generator is going to function and how it germinator permanent one would and that that's sort of where the exception the ex the exception that they were looking for so I just I don't I don't know how to clearly I guess know what we're looking for in functionality of the generator well I I guess the the stipulation that I put in the motion that it will be as effective as and as responsive as if it was a permanent code mandated fixed emergency generator so in other words the explanation we had earlier in the meeting was that this Arrangement was going to function exactly like a permanent generator with the the one enunciation issue not being capable of being resolved with and with a further understanding
045that this is not taking the place of the ultimate emergency generator that's supposed to be there fixed emergency generator that's supposed to be there is that [Applause] excuse me I don't I don't I might be out of order here but I in the spirit of trying to help come up with the solution that ultimately you know if this is you know problems could I offer a little input of my debits on the mobile go ahead yeah okay so Eric Eric could I ask you to I think we can I think we're offering I don't think we're trying to work here so Eric you're hearing what the and I don't know I can't see it I don't know which commission is speaking but hearing the commissioner's questions and hearing what Mike is saying I think we're
046trying to establish if this world uh you know what are the expectations in terms of the performance can you speak in terms of code sections or specific or something the granular that we can all you know hold to so that we're not you know we get some kind of relief today and then we're instantly debating what that meant yes I think we we need to acknowledge that the temporary General when it's connected to the portable cabin is connected in exactly the same manner as the permanent generator so in terms of power flow to systems to emergency systems whether that's the fire pump the elevator the emergency lighting Tower flow is exactly the same because it all starts with the portable generator cabinet whether it's the temporary job or the permanent generator they are both connected
047through that cabin flow into the building to the transfer switch in exactly the same wires so I think if we acknowledge that then the the approval would would be tied to the NEC 700.3 f which is the code section that addresses this situation is unable to perform then you have a temporary generator connected to a portable subject and that I would suggest that we trying to go there you have that in the motion here so let me try to add one more piece to this so where I wrote where I said it was the um as responsive as if it was the permanent code mandated fixed emergency generator conforming to and the provisions of NEC 700.3 f yes I agree do we have a second on the motion second okay so for majority for the
048path we have four board members here so we need to release three affirmative votes for this to pass clear on the stipulations because there was a lot of there was a motion and there was he started a second then there was some things later so Deb are you clear on what the record the record is going to reflect with respect to the motion or unless Bob is ready to read it again I'm going to have to review I have to review the tape to put it all together and send it out and see if it reads as you stipulate it you okay unless everything's written down or I can have it for you this afternoon unless you have it you could yeah could you do that because I I do much better with that than
049trying to re-visit my chicken scratches here so okay it's okay yep I will review it this afternoon and send it out all right so we can have a vote today or I don't know how does that work s completely what we believe it to be yes should I read this again I think it's gonna I think all right so I think we understand what's in there so the essence of the of the the appeal was that they are proposing something for item three that is a a temporary equal form of construction with the stipulation that this is intended to be a short-term bridge and with the assurance that the interim temporary system will be as effective and as responsive as if it was the permanent code mandated fixed emergency generation installation per conforming to NEC
050700.3 F and that this appeal and the progress towards solution would be Revisited by October 2023. first or third version thank you so and we have a second on that the second is still fans so that means September 31st because I said you said by October so September Is by October October is not by October so you might want to clarify that so that there's Dempsey and this electrician here and there everyone's clear on what that date is I'm not trying to push for one or the other that's a good point excuse me this is right now if I'm not out of order by the end of October we'd expect to have it delivered um yeah obviously before then so delivered and installed by the end of October and I'd be pleased to provide a
051few one interim updates on the status like you know I have no problem doing that either through the building departments or things like this meeting and you know testify it you just let me know what what would uh suit your family how about the October meet our October meeting I think it was the end of October we don't have it by then we'd want an update until the department it would provide an update of course the October meeting is scheduled for the 19th September because these guys thank you okay do I have to say anymore I don't think so I think I think we have an understanding that we want to have an update by the by the October 19th the the scheduled October 19th PBA meeting you decided to install an operation for them
052you want to know how to buy that so those in favor of the motion uh we didn't have a second okay yeah yeah three positives and those against us okay all right the motion is granted you're all set thank you very much we are all set with our applicants thank you very much that's the only new actions any other new business before you close out so do you want to send me that this afternoon just for last go over yep okay and just a quick question for the attorney am I allowed to do any edits on that or I have to I have to be really close to the wording that's in there right yeah she's gonna the problem was that there was a motion there wasn't an immediate second then there was discussion and
053then Mike Lemieux chimed in and then Ron Mutual chimed in but none of whom have the authority to modify it I mean you might want to hear from them during comment and then there was an amendment or an attempted Amendment but then it didn't fly and then there was a later Amendment so it's pretty murky so it's potentially murky I I think that I mean Deb does a heck of a job going through it and listening through it and well that that didn't have legs and that kind of went away and then this did so um uh I think we're gonna be okay uh but if it's not what you said if it's what you said it's what you said so so you know so I should keep it more to you know it's not
054what your medical flow rather than content well I'm sorry I should keep it more toward the grammatical end of things and not towards like changing content or implying yeah don't yeah don't change it you can't change it well I meant this or I should have said this on second part you know we're locked in uh right now which is why if it were in writing it would be easier uh to to to to make sure we all know what it is okay thank you Okay so yeah you're going to copy but yep okay next item agenda is new business anybody for any other new business promotion for insurance we are adjourned um