School Board Meeting 6.13.22

001all right we'll call the meeting to order we have met compliance with official notifications roll call all right so it's me tonight steve olson dear ed gallagher i am here brook taylor here steve's tupac here laura gabsky here michael meyer president albrecht here everyone's here all right thank you uh at this time with everybody please join me i pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands for the nation under god indivisible with liberty and justice for help all right meeting is a meeting of the board of education held in public for the purpose of conducting a school district's business and is not to be considered a public community meeting there is a time for comments by members of the public during the meeting as

002indicated on the agenda members of the public wishing to address the board on any of the topics included on tonight's agenda may do so by completing a public comment sign up sheet and handing it front to the deputy clerk comments should be focused on the items being considered by the board and should be restricted to no more than three minutes in length and action taken at today's meeting will be final approval unless otherwise noted with that uh entertainment for disposition of minutes from may 9th 2022. move to april 2nd motion in a second is there any discussion hearing none all is in favor signify by saying hi hi opposed motion carries and we'll move into the report of the superintendent we've got four informational items first is the 2022 guest teacher of the year award

003all right well we have a guest teacher of the year here tonight susie spindler i want to talk just a little bit about susie and a little bit about the award we want to share tonight so um this is something new that we started this school year we worked really hard to try to attract and retain substitute teachers um ever since and we've always struggled but i think uh covet and the pandemic has has created another layer of complications for us um and so we worked really hard but this is one thing that we thought would be important that we recognize our substitute teachers or our guest teachers that come into our schools every day um we had a nomination form submitted out to all of our staff and we had over 30 guest teachers

004nominated which was really cool um it was challenging to try to decide uh who to pick because we had so many wonderful nominations but susie rose to the top pretty quickly and so i i want to just share a little bit about some of the comments this is just a few of the comments of many that we received it says susie has been extremely flexible during a difficult situation she's asked to fill in for an indefinite period of time perhaps a couple days or perhaps until the end of the school year she agrees to all terms knowing that the duration of her position is unknown and she's been in valuable and difficult situations when what with which she has presented does an amazing job she's highly conscientious shows up early to um ensure that she's

005prepared for the day to learn the curriculum and we're so lucky to have her as a guest teacher she helps out in any position and she's been flexible on her schedule if she needs assistance or clarification she'll take the initiative to find out the information she needs she's selfless selfless compassionate and brings a contagious positive energy wherever she's working and one of the things that uh we gravitated to really quickly when we saw her nomination was you are willing to go anywhere do anything across all levels of this organization um which is pretty awesome i i think i've even i think sue even shared with me that you'll step into summer school or help out however is needed so um thank you so much we have many many staff who recognized you and appreciated you

006um i've had many just reach out to me personally too i know your time at cooper this this spring was was um so appreciated as well so thank you probably the most impressive uh she did lts for sam for jim yeah so we have a we have a very cool award to give you um it was like there's like a stand and everything in here so there's that we have yeah well thank you thank you amy good photo maybe thanks for coming tonight thank you all right um moving on with the informational items at the committee of the whole meeting on june 6 principal liebert's shared updates from cooper elementary school and principal flaherty shared updates from sapir high school also at the committee of the hole on june 6 dominic matson who's our cisa

00712 administrator shared an overview of the season 12 along with some of the services he said 12 provides to us and also the high school teachers adam kuhlman and spike gralowski shared presentation on the spark manufacturing and their vision of what they spark manufacturing could become i know they visited a number of companies throughout and they're still visiting absolutely i don't think they've stopped yet okay so yeah i visited with them last thursday again um got a couple of action items one of them is a new a new action item the first one that's the consideration of updated board meeting schedule for the 2223 um school year action item tonight will be final approval proposed change is the january regular board meeting which was january 16th and that will be moving into january 23rd and

008it's due to the 16th being martin luther king jr uh holiday and the 2023 state education convention dates uh 17th through the 20th yes so thank steve pointed this out to us that the original date we had on the calendar was when we actually typically for the convention so there'll be um a couple weeks between the cow and the regular board meeting that month so if unless there's any concerns with that we thought that would probably be a better update for our january meeting so move to approve back yeah motion in a second is there any discussion hearing none then all's in favor signify by saying hi bye curious next the committee recommends designation of casey smith as interim deputy clerk effective june 9th 2022. move to approve second motion in a second is there

009any discussion easy back dating this one should we wait to see how she does tonight there any other discussion hearing nonetheless in favor signify by saying hi and i believe that concludes this report all right with that move into the board committee reports starting off with policies and rules we have an action item and the committee recommends approval of the revised student code of conduct as attached let me give the whole meeting on june 6 the safe and responsive schools task force made a presentation regarding the recommendation hope to approve second question in a second is there any discussion hearing none all is in favor signify by saying aye aye there are no discussion items and one informational items we have a presentation of sro2122 program evaluation by captain wintershide from the spirit police department

010tonight thanks for coming i'll tee it up a little bit for you some okay so um last year we revised our sro policy and one of the things that we put in our policy was to do an annual um update on a variety of different points um from our sro program you oversee our sros and we work closely together so thanks for coming tonight all right um yeah thanks for the introduction i really appreciate it so this is our first run at this report um it's kind of like to learn from it and see what items you might like to see in the future so if there are ideas for additional information items that you'd like to see in the future please let me know i'm also prepared for questions so i'm sure this will

011generate something so go ahead all right so article number 13 of our mou again ask for a um update on the sro program basically looking for our progress towards the state of objectives of the sro program last year we as we entered the school year with this new mou we really re-focused focused on having our police officers who are in the schools not be there for disciplinary issues um take a look at that let's actually advance one all right so it's really important to us to re-define the role of an sro from a disciplinary entity in the schools to a protective entity now the police officers are there to protect people just like in the community police officers are there to protect people sometimes we protect people from each other sometimes we protect people from

012themselves and that translates to the school as well so as officers are interacting with students or deciding to take action in a specific situation they have to kind of evaluate hey is this a law enforcement issue am i protecting a student either from each other from themselves and is law enforcement action appropriate we want to improve communication between sro school administrators members of the public parents student groups everybody all the the work group members within the school we want to improve communications because communications improve understanding and it improves effectiveness we wanted to integrate the sro into the school community through participation in faculty and student meetings classroom settings etc maintain activity reports there's fairly thorough activity report that they'll go and we wanted to focus on some training opportunities with our sro program and really

013the training opportunities take two forms one is things like de-escalation training implicit bias training which we give to all members of our police department as well not just sros but the other is active shooter training um critical incident response training not just active shooters but critical incident response and that again goes for the entire police department we know statistically that if there's an active shooter event at the high school or the middle school there's a likelihood strong likelihood it's only 50 chance that our sro will be killed we know that so we know that all of our officers in the city have to be prepared to respond the same way so some of the training i have just broke down into two areas training completed by srl is the stuff that we've done in the

014last year it doesn't include all the training we've done before um but it includes all the training you've done in the last year we did active bystandership for law enforcement that was a department-wide training initiative and that's a basically a peer support office or wellness and prevent people from making mistakes or to trade so it's been super valuable we're actually one of the early adopters of that program it's a nationwide program put out by georgetown law um we've been really happy with it currently the sros actually this week they're attending the nasro training conference so there they receive two and a half days straight of high quality training related to school resource duties that includes things like social media threat assessments um you know interacting with students with like previous trauma and those sorts of

015things so that's really good um completed social media threat assessment training training called lessons for the columbine again in the hopes to learn from these previous incidents to make our responses more effective should we need them um classes on addressing homeless populations now that may not you know some of this stuff may not directly relate to sro duties but all of this stuff relates to the things that a police officer does opioid response training crisis response training and of course our regular department firearms and defensive tactics training going into this summer as we prepare for the beginning of the new year these are the things the plan training that we are hoping to do um sorry so we're going to do active shooting response against the office it's been a couple years since we've done

016a department flight training we have a lot of new officers and it's time to bring that back obviously the evolving texas incident really reminds us that these things can happen anywhere that was a town of 15 000 people much smaller towns and superiors uh and these things obviously happen anywhere rescue task force um if they're not familiar rescue task force is a collaboration between the police department and fire department to provide immediate critical care stabilizing care to people who are wounded in a either an active shooter event or really sort of any mass casualty incident and it it seeks to get people out of the school and into a trauma center faster than we previously were able to do that we do that with collaborative effort with the fire department we're really interested in threat

017assessment training there's a lot of good research out there that we can use to really identify threats before they kind of explode so if we can identify things before they become a problem and take action that's obviously what we prefer so actually mike kendall is spearheading that our standard department training again um our department as a whole prioritizing the quality training we're going to do the nasdar conference against again next year and as part of that national conference my plan is to send our collateral sros to that and if you're not familiar with collateral slos we have our two primary school resource officers last year we initiated it was a year and a half ago we initiated this collateral sro program so we solicited officers on the department who may be interested in becoming sros

018eventually had an interest in developing the program and invited them to be like part-time fill-in sros when our primary sros are out so those officers receive the same training that our regular school resource officers do and we also like they show interest in it so that's always good good so some of the statistics we're looking at here um these numbers go back to 2015 2016. this is just calls for service at these addresses now some of the things to remember about this is these numbers are not just during the school day right and not just during the school year so if there's a suspicious person in the parking lot of any of the schools during the summer they'll show up in this list um if there's an alarm they'll show up in this list um

019if there is a traffic stop in front of the school the school is home to the address it'll show up on this list so this list while the numbers look fairly high they can be a little over represented we'll get into some of those other numbers cyphers stipas are we called self-initiated field activity so many times our officers are requested to stop in at the school say i have lunch i don't know plenty of our officers do these numbers represent that um now i can say i can tell you confidently these numbers under represent the true efforts of our officers because a lot of times they'll stop in they'll have lunch and they won't pull a siphon number but you can see it does happen we do spend quite a bit of time in the

020schools beyond what our school resource officers put so these are arrests um now i want to say that arrests obviously within the school but within law enforcement in general or something we try to avoid um contrary to popular belief in what you might see the movies police officers don't go out with the hulk they need to arrest somebody really wreck their day-to-day that's not the case at all we actually many agencies including our department have a um alternative to arrest like it's not a policy but it's kind of like a philosophy if we can find some alternative to either a citation or an arrest to correct the behavior and don't have continued violations of the law that's the route we take our police department as all we have uh pathways to hope there's a pre-restaurant

021diversion program so we do try to make and arrest to try to avoid making the rest of it possible um sometimes it's just not possible so here we can see c a a is adult arrest cja is juvenile arrest so in adult arrest according to wisconsin law an adult is 17 and up when it comes to arrests that's not something the police department has the power to change that's just what it is it's wisconsin juvenile arrest would be anything under that this would include things like ordnance citations both on the adult and juvenile side so you can see um this is by the way i didn't label this here but this is actually last year's numbers so these are the most recent numbers that we have um when we're looking at the juvenile arrests we

022can see that a good chunk of those if we look here j yeah here we go the total of 62 juvenile arrests of the high school of those 43 were truancy truancy's kind of a weird thing right in wisconsin truancy is a law enforcement issue so if there's a truancy issue either with the student or the parent that gets referred to the police and the police send it out to services and they do their thing that's something that isn't the same in other states i'm not saying i agree with it or disagree with it it's not it's beyond my pay grade to decide that it's just the way it is for us it's what we do so when we look at it's i think important to look at those um cja numbers and recognize that

023a significant majority of those deal with truancy but those are laid out statute i'm going to advance all right so arrest by type press my type let's see we have a total of 137 when we focus on the cja the juvenile arrests it's clear juvenile arrest is what the acronym stands for now we can see that 11 or battery 11 are disorderly conduct 10 are miscellaneous juvenile offenses quite honestly i can't tell you what those are right now because i tried to figure it out i don't know well this is last year right i guess okay thank you yeah yeah this just on the last 12 months ordinance violations um but again look at truancy that's right we're talking about the battery disorderly conduct those are most likely school fights that resulted in somebody's injury

024their significant um when we talk about the cleared adult arrest uh we can see that there is one battery in there now one battery by an adult in a school might it might seem insignificant like it was a fight to the school but like that's a significant event when somebody batters another person in one of our schools that's a significant event and to even see one on there i think is actually kind of surprising did you say that if it happened at the high school and they're 18 they're considered adult right right okay so it could be a student high school okay yeah it could be an older student there's two disorderly conducts six ordinance violation and again 24 truancy so the overwhelming majority of even the adult arrests and all the schools relate to

025truancy that's a quick question yeah does this count for like events like we have a football game and there's teams from other cities or things like that yeah something better okay absolutely i'm not saying that's happened i just anybody on the premises could yeah absolutely that makes sense all right that's it for that can you pull up that's excel spreadsheet all right and go to that second tab all right so mike kendall provided me these numbers the guy keeps a lot of numbers so he provided me all these before he went to his conference um and then i sat on the phone with him for another day so you can see again a breakdown of the numbers here that we went over you can see a breakdown cyphers by month winter time the officers are

026visiting the schools a little bit more again i think those numbers are obviously underrepresented but it should work out um if you actually scroll down if you guys look at the left side of the screen here we keep a list of every incident number every type of violation the officer the date how was this vote and the location of it so we do keep record of that that information is obviously shared with the schools they can scroll down you can get a sense of what the officers are dealing with there now you'll notice there's a lot more incidents there than i rest because officers don't always they actually very rarely make an arrest to the case we would prefer not to refer somebody to the criminal justice system we can help it and that goes

027for in the schools and on the street we look for alternatives down all on the on the truancies so there's a city ordinance yeah and then there's a state and then i was just watching this just to see how many jeff had had to write so those are initiated by the administration either an assistant principal or the principal so when is it determined that it goes from city ordinance to state i'm not by numbers i believe it is by whether it's a number of days it's like after it has a certain number that's a bigger issue we have a different flowchart that kind of it's different agencies that we might like we might involve the county we might move to a court situation there's a variety of situations sometimes it depends on the circumstances too

028was there still the court proceedings like if mr ponco had to go bi-weekly or whatever to meet with i believe so okay okay so we found that our currency ordinance of the state system it gives a little bit of t um sometimes people get that letter in the mail they they tend to respond a little bit better um and i don't know i has currency in the schools improved in the last year but i will say i will say that um one of the things that we did different this year was we employed in the elementary social worker her primary job is to true is to oversee truancy prevention because our sro at the elementary really the primary things that he did at the elementary level um tended to be more truancy focused and it

029was reactive not preventative so the goal is to identify barriers for students when they're in elementary school develop good habits of attendance so that when they move to the middle school in high school we've developed those habits because it starts early like in kindergarten um and so we did see i want to say just i don't have data to support my my statement but i would say that we saw more truancy this year at the middle school level than we had in previous is that accurate we talked about yeah so i know that was an issue rso i can tell you our sros would rather not see currency go through the criminal justice system and that's again that's we need this students to go to school but at the same time i don't know that

030it's the sro's rule to do that but we work with what we got so you got to do what we got um so they'll continue to do that but if there are creative ideas for improving what our officers do you know we're certainly building each other well they're also it's helpful from a team perspective it might mean that if it goes to a county situation that we're advocating for mental health supports or other supports um that might be interfering so it just kind of depends on the situation as to what route makes the most sense for students yeah you know we had a lot of really heavy individual students faster than i ever remember this year i think it was some bad habits coming off the pandemic and we would be referring to the county

031and they would intervene and if that wasn't working they would get support orders so i mean the county kind of took that to that not if it needed to become a reporter for their situation so that makes sense i'm optimistic to be better this year though because we're probably going to come off a normal summer and we won't have all the confidence um you know read this thing our goals for the coming year um you've already really demonstrated a problem right we don't know i'd like to preface this by saying we don't really know at this point what happened there's a lot of information that's come out a lot of information that's wrong initially i think until the final reports are out and the debriefs are done we just don't know but they did raise

032some questions about what we're able to do we imagine there is a shooter in the school i wasn't exaggerating when i said statistically there's a 50-50 chance that our israelis have been killed at school that's something they've signed up or they recognize that we train to go in we won't wait we won't wait for three people to show up before we go in we won't wait for five people to show up we'll go in and we'll keep going in until the shooter is dead or we haven't worked and we'll keep doing that um and then we're going to bring in other agencies that we're going to bring a lot of people fortunately that all takes time we know that if i were to give this presentation 10 years ago say that you know most of

033these school shootings are committed with handguns or you know weapons that were not seen used in school shootings today we are seeing significant weaponry used in school shootings it's more often to see along that in the school shooting than not my pistol i'm a firearms instructor i like shooting not a fantastic shot with a pistol in a crowded hallway that's not practical but i can tell you that these are some uncomfortable topics and but i think it's it's important to be honest and kind of understand where we're kind of like in wisconsin we train our officers before they take the shot they have to identify their target make sure they're shooting the right thing they have to acquire their target so they get be able to hit it and they gotta isolate their target they

034gotta what's beyond it try not to hit that's where that ends with school shooting we don't isolate our target if there's a school shooter and a target and that school shooter is there's a backdrop of children behind that school shooter our officers are trained to take the shot they might miss right but the danger of not taking action outweighs the danger of taking action i'm going to ask the school board now to give our officers i want you i want your support for it we've got to give our officers the tools they need in school and face the threats that we're facing today with a patrol rifle they could take a much more accurate shot these patrol rifles don't need to be you know carried around the school or anything like that but honestly i

035prefer that nobody even knows they're in school but it's not acceptable for our officers one to be expected to run into a hail of gunfire from somebody who outguns them without a reasonable chance of success i got banned because they have four kids in these schools it's unreasonable to ask our officers to go on a suicide mission against the overdone person so what i'm asking and we visited this back in 2016 but you're just it's different now we need to give our officers i would like each of our sros to have a safe installed in your office that secures a weapon in an inconspicuous way gives them access to their control right we know that in active shooter events every 15 seconds somebody dies it's going to take the officer two or three minutes to

036run out to their car get their patrol rifle and run back in that's a lot of people getting shot our officers need those tools i'd also like to pre-position some tactical supplies up at the schools in the same way inconspicuously supplies are talking about shields i'm talking about rescue task force equipment um several years ago we had an officer involved shooting under officers a couple of our outfits actually had to shoot that unfortunately shot him seven times i barely had enough tourniquets i when i'm working i have one turning it on right now but typically i carry three and i was shot seven times i used to be a paramedic so i jumped into action throwing tourniquets on the guy taping it up second chest we would see when that up it didn't have the

037enough equipment to do which like i would have heard it so i'm asking that we can reposition some of that stuff into schools um the fire department obviously supports that so we don't have to imagine somebody get shot they're bleeding out we don't have to go somewhere get the equipment and bring it back those are the things we need that's kind of the initiative i'd like to see happen because we're going to fall you guys have any questions i was just searching while you were talking we had any policies i'm not seeing anything i'm kind of looking to lend because that was before my time okay i remember when it came to the board back in six okay okay it's a different environment now i like to use active sugar response to civilians so i

038provide that course to companies across superior douglas county and i've gone out to ashland and for years i'm like well you know the active shooters they tend to commit suicide upon first basic resistance and you know they this is typically what we see it's been turned on its head in the last couple years like i literally had to revise my presentation because things have changed right the world has changed yeah i mean we spoke a little bit um today and i i support that personally about you know making sure but we do know that it should come to the board and the board kind of supports that it could be like a action item or as an agenda item and then if you guys could put together another presentation like you did back at 16

039but updated absolutely absolutely yeah that'd be good for everybody to see again you know to give you some perspective on what would be like why again i would prefer that students never see the existence of yeah safeguard them yeah you know they talked when they talked about it originally it was it would be in its own safe that only the sro officer had a key to have to be in a locked room that only the sr officer had a key to he didn't have like uh one of the windows on top of the door you know what i'm saying it happened here you have a completely secure room there were a lot of things that were talked about after that yeah all the possibilities just made so 2016 it was turned down by the board

040and you know some of the other tactical equipment having some rifle rated shields pre-positioned so we have some of the stations but honestly if there's an active shooter event everybody's going to the school and somebody's going to have to run back to the station grab it bring it out that's minutes that that'd be a discussion of where you'd have to where would those be placed i guess that's a whole nother topic but that's a real office okay that's just there i thought like just in that office would be fine you know i in my active shooter classes i taught on a breezer shipyard i deal with a lot of sheet metal with the ship helping stuff and we talked about the value of your kits so just like you have aed's positioned over the opposite

041stool you do bleed your kids so they don't have to be anything conspicuous but there's three kids in it they have um occlusive dressings they have gauze those sorts of things they have to control major hemorrhage control respiratory compromise just the basics that would be something fantastic to have pre-positioned at strong points in my school when i say strong fighting they're very small that we would hold an active shooter event so then you could have easy access to that um the other a lot of ideas have been tossed around with the ideas that will toss their own is providing basic per se training to teachers now everybody gets first aid training for sure but i'll put the tourniquet on uh stop a second chest those are very very basic things that don't require a lot

042of training yeah i'm thinking as you're talking about 16 the school was different than it is now especially the high school so i guess and i think they had like they showed like a footprint of the school and how they would do things so it would have to be a whole different right now absolutely so that'd be interesting to see how that would look sure we've got a couple things looking outside of that absolutely um one thing i did want to mention you mentioned the trainings but one of the changes we made in our policy last year was that sros have participated in trainings with us and they did attend um last summer after we changed the conduct and we did some work around that they attended our training last summer which was really they

043appreciated it they appreciated being a part of those conversations and kind of being on the same team it felt good we've also worked very closely with them when it comes to threat assessment training and so we've had staff in every building who are trained in threat assessment officer kendall does help he's a resource i think to all of our administrators and counselors when it comes to that but he's been a good resource and we've done those trainings across all of our buildings too so that's been a good partnership i was sharing with him today also a little bit one of my and i plan to talk about this with principals at our upcoming principal meeting one of the things i'm wondering about is do we need to revisit our our visitor policies um i worry

044about the number of people who come into our schools and i think we rely a lot on our front office secretaries to control that and i don't know if that's uh fair on them to be able to to manage that we just went almost two years where we restricted visitors for a very important reason and i just wonder if we need to revisit how people come into our schools i don't know that's a it's a question i don't have a possible procedure for that but i am concerned about the volume that comes into schools and of open access that we have i agree um i like i said i have four kids that go to these schools at two in high school and schools and i've gone there often and busted it's not hard to

045get it and i don't know what the perfect answer is too either because you want to be opening you want to be open and welcoming yeah but again we live in a world now that it's different than it was 20 years ago it's just different and i wish it could not be different it was the same as it was but it's not you know the same 50 percent of the school resource officers are killed in an active shooter event i guarantee you just about 100 of your front office staff are killed because they're the first ones to encounter so so it's about safety of our staff and our students that's all we'll bring if we we change anything over the summer we'll obviously bring that to the board but it's on my mind so i

046have a couple questions um so just i know you said this training was just from this year so i know the sros are oftentimes doing that initial first response with kids you know i i guess forensic interview training updated you know ongoing continuous education around that um i would like to see that a priority for any officers in the school that are interviewing kids at our schools is that something that you know is a priority or maybe it was just the year before or something um you know what happened before i was a captain i'm not familiar with it okay much of it has been i don't know that i would like to see youtube yeah my legacy variety of trainings um i know restorative justice is you know priority of the school that was

047a priority of mine in college i was part of our government spelling restorative justice initiative i believe in it um i believe it's valuable and everything having all the team members kind of on the same page with an initiative like that it's important so we don't have conflicting you know sometimes um and i think the same thing with juvenile interviews the toughest thing is finding a class for it i don't mind sending the sros off today it's great if you can find summer training because that's interference in the schools so if there's training that you can suggest ojp does it for free just got to get on the doj sorry you just got to get on the wait list huh you have contact information for that yep do you want to send it to me

048and i'll get over there yeah i don't care how long it is if it's two week training it's an opportunity laura asked a question are you are you asking that the sros conduct interviews following the forensic interview guidelines or just to have training on interviewing juveniles just like yes well i've read many reports that the officers take at the schools and so even if it's not a formal forensic interview it still does the coverage of the first response interview which is gathering you know the details and referring it for a forensic interview because suggestibility also impacts that first initial response as you know from your investigations as well i'm sure yeah i think my good foundation for that stuff's important we also don't want to compromise a court case later because we made it a

049sacrifice um the other thing is i we we talked about this last year stopped interviews versus uh our uniforms versus uniforms is there you know i just again work with a lot of kids that are traumatized it's really important they have positive interactions with law enforcement but also in the school setting it's really important that they can focus on school and sometimes coming in in full uniform definitely can can have an adversarial effect as well so is there is that something that i i guess i don't know but i have seen mostly uniforms when i've interacted but yeah so our challenge is we have a couple of things um first and foremost the officers need to be readily identifiable as police officers so i wore this i wore this for two reasons today one i

050walked in here as readily i don't know there was no doubt in my police officer this place could be on fire and he would have no doubt as a police officer in a critical incident i can't have somebody who would have an ambiguous uniform a bystander guarantee that guns aren't supposed to be in schools but i think it'd be naive to think that somebody hasn't brought a gun into a school parent picking up their kid etc so if something catastrophic happened our police officers have to be immediately identifiable as police officers they need to also have all of their equipment where they usually carry it um i carry my taser here i always carry my chaser here i that's the second reason i wore this uniform today because i'm going out in public i don't

051know what's going to happen in five minutes i might get called to an active shooter event i'm a captain i'm still gonna go i need to have access to the stuff that i'm getting um third reason the reason we got the external best carriers in the first place is because there's some significant benefits to the officer's long-term health particularly their lower back there have been tons of studies out there that show that wearing 30 pounds of equipment on your belt for 25 years tends to have a negative impact on your lower back believe it or not so moving that weight up to the best um you can see that across the country pretty much every department of the country is going to that um i do i do respect what you're saying though about there

052are some things out there that have had traumatic experiences where police officers were there were involved we may have had to arrest a parent i get that it certainly creates a negative um and create a negative view i also recognize that there is a community that have a bias towards police and they make assumptions about what i do because um i think we need to focus on combating that i can't ask my officers to ditch their external best carriers i can't ask them to sacrifice their lower back i don't think that's fair i wouldn't be a good supervisor or leader if i ask them to do that i wouldn't be a good supervisor or leader if i ask them to leave some of their equipment behind that might save their life or allow them to

053save the life of the student i'd be a bad leader and supervisor if i did that that's my response i i get it there are some schools though that do that so i'm just curious of what their work around is but i hear you thank you well i'll just give you an example this is this is why i would work today i ended up in a school school for a situation and you guys are coming you know i'm not identifiable just like you said but this is my day-to-day unfortunately i've known this guy since so i i would recognize him but there's a duluth officer who happens to live here in superior he's dropping his kid off and he has a sidearm and he's carrying a gun where he legally can and i go to

054the school in an active shooter event i'm not giving him a warning i'm not saying hey police officer drop the weapon i'm not going to give a potential school shooter the opportunity to kill another person i'm going to shoot him on site that's the problem if i can't readily identify that person as a police officer they have a gun in a school during the school shooting i'm going to shoot them and i'm not going to kill morning that's the harsh reality um you've answered almost every question i've had and have had parents email i'm sure all of us um especially with the tragic events that have happened recently um but are things that you're talking about carrying a rifle in the school is that something that we're seeing is happening in many other schools across

055the united states so this is very common to happen now um how many resource officers do we have and i'm sorry if you all know this already two where are they primarily or do they rotate or what high school and so one is at the middle school he stays there full-time state of high school yeah i used to have one that rotated the elementary school that was part of um what i was saying earlier we hired a social worker um and i would say at the elementary level they primarily are called to support adult issues um that type to say yeah it could be really good and usually i get one of maybe three or four officers that kind of know me and build a little bit urging those folks in the neighborhood to come

056start school a little bit more often even just build relationships with the kids even if i'm dropping off my my daughter at school you can sometimes see them they'll just they'll just stay in the parking lot for the mornings and be visible yeah it's very intentional and we've gotten full gambit they've been in uniform paul like you said they were allowed to come in regular dress clothes as well but you could always identify officer johnson officer kendall or officer mckinnon because they their guns were still visible and stuff and plus they were so active with the the student body and everything they were so visible that um you know the people know him and i i hear what you're saying i hear what laura's asking you know what is that happy meeting i don't know

057for sure but i think one of the things we talked about is making sure our officers feel safe i think that was that that's a priority i think i think what it boils down to though is when you look at paul's best son's gear whether he's got tourniquet his radio his camera taser all the different stuff you never know what he's going to get into um so if you ask him not to not to wear that that's half his gear that he doesn't have or has to retrieve and i think the point the officer never knows what's going to happen and so it's not necessarily about the correct uniform but the officer having the gear they need to do the job that they're paid to do i think it's important let's go piggyback question off

058yours um what's our current fiduciary arrangement with the department in terms of salaries benefits those types of things i know what duluth was but i i can't pinpoint ourselves i think we pay the salaries um but we don't cover like they work additional in the summer and then do we still pay overtime for instance any events someone needs to get called in for you know each building for that i believe can we please look into uh i'm sorry i was gonna i found it in the mlu so the city pays the school of resource officers is very consistent with the labor contract um the district reimburses 62 percent of the officer's salary wisconsin retirement on contributions social security costs et cetera on the stanford stuff um any overtime compensation shall be approved by the district

059the city or agents prior to any uh accumulation and funding for training says professional development activities undertaken by the school resource officer must be mutually improved and those expenses will be shared so i i don't know much about our local staffing but i know nationally there's been some challenges for departments being staffed if we were to explore expanding our partnership with you and having more officers available is that something that this period pd and as an organization can could look at or would that be dependent on our hands or designers for increased access i'll be honest as long as i can we're having a hard time recruiting officers yeah and adding an officer to the school and something that we could prioritize but it's not something that we could likely do next okay yeah because

060that's what i was going to ask i know parents had even addressed the same um you know could we get more resource officers because as we see in texas it was an elementary school that had it happen to them and so if we have no resource officer we might have a rifle but who is and how long can you guys respond i know a lot of the schools are pretty close proximity but i think of lake superior and i think of four corners and that would be detrimental you know for that time so i mean it's hard because we don't want to i guess we need to be prepared for the worst but not i don't it's tough right right and yeah i mean those are county jurisdictions i mean is there a relationship with

061the sheriff's department like securities sports people four corners is the only county um jurisdiction county would get the call mind you that could be 10 20 30 minute response depending on where they're at it does fall under the city superior school district as far as the district wise being superior which is the sro has always fallen from sbd here and typically in the past the county has deputized the sro to go out there and take care of on some things but i think the attention is pretty minimal not on their fault or anything it's it's well out into the county um so response out there is pretty low to minimal and right now just on the street we are stretched to minimum so we maintain minimum staffing levels to give you an idea of what

062that looks like during the busiest part of our day we have six officers and a sergeant done then we have detectives we have administrators and active shooters we're all gonna go but there's six officers on the road and there's people complaining about carburetors on wisconsin point something about carburetors in the city about fireworks people complaining about it complaining about the demands all of those things are handled typically by six people so i'll just like point out the brooks comment you just look at the numbers you know this last year 12 1266 high schoolers get an sro 976 middle schoolers have an sro you have 1852 elementary students with zero sros a lot of kids without you know that sro where we want to say protecting them guiding them educating them creating a bond with them

063whatever it is that's 1800 kids were leaving out of the loops there when did we cut back on the resource officers in elementary schools so last year reduced given the primary role and and we had one who circulated so it wasn't like there was one in a building um what's that there never was just one at each right and so he rotated um and so you know you'd have to if ryan needed to have to kind of track him down and he might be you know dealing with something else so it wasn't like every building had an sro there were situations where if you didn't need it where you would have to go to the street person too because he would be he could be tired of someone else with an issue our principles and

064our secretaries use 9-1-1 and that's what we're directed to do um and so that has been a good response and i do want to say that i think the addition of the social worker so this training is fantastic but our coordinated response specialist is very significant it's been a force multiplier so i i'll take it as the police department criticizing having a social worker added to the staff i think that's a fantastic idea but i like to see an officer in every school yeah but i don't think i can hire that many police officers anytime soon but thank you yes thank you yes we'll be in touch um regarding next steps uh costs or are these going to be additional rifles purchased then since they're okay thank you we actually uh okay thank you thanks

065paul thanks thank you very much oh i better get my thumb here i'll lose another i one it did you bring it up did you bring a car luckily i have my keys now have a great night thank you before moving on on that so are we able to put some on the agenda and talk about what his requests and needs are and maybe talk about bringing back an sro having those discussions i think that's what you're going to follow up with well i was going to follow up on the safes and the equipment um i just heard him say that it would be challenging to hire nfc role at the elementary level and we would need to make a budget adjustment to that as well which is not planned plan something we can communicate

066though and talk about for the future um kind of what i was hoping was my question is like do that i guess you know it's been only a year but go back and look at why we did it because if i recall i mean we looked at the incidents at the elementary school were so minimal number one they're primarily focused on trunci right the other was i think the police department explained to us that response time would be so quick right they are neighborhood so they are in our name and like like i gave the example when you they will park in our school parking lots if they have the ability to just visibility and and readily yeah that was only part of what we did do you do anything i touch on on that

067just to throw this out there we always talk about the response to crimes or incidents when we've talked about esther rose and i think like paul was saying is trying to build a rapport with this with the students as well um and speaking from experience i'm just going to give an example here four four corners didn't we're going to sat in estro at the time but again it was officer kendall and he rotated through all the elementary schools so at those times i used to go stop in four corners all the time because it's just a hard school to get to for them and i didn't go there to write tickets deal with crime anything like that i went there and had lunch with kids um they used i think as pbis stuff they had

068falcon tickets out there um we got the point where they would use their falcon tickets to purchase lunch with a cop whoever whoever would be not just me you know in one given year we had lunches with students so in a couple times we do full class demonstrations just because the the want was was so high and it was building those relationships having that report so that those kids if they did see an officer in the world whatever is going on at home whatever's going on in their free time that it was positive interaction and it made a difference and i can say following those those kids through middle school when there was real incense those were kids that would come and talk to me because they knew who i was they knew how we

069interacted so i'd just like to say i'd like to try to get when we're in elementary there is a true benefit regardless of a low number of incident calls um there is a benefit i know officer kendall does the same thing going and having lunch with students or just doing some extra things doing some presentations whatnot that had a huge impact and i guess 130 kids in one year using their tickets you know when they could have bought any toy or candy or whatever i think speaks volumes just to that standard so that's a reason why i'd like to you know revisit that thought to bring it back and ask for all but i think i mean i i think i heard paul and i you can correct me if i'm wrong right i think

070that's what our our neighborhood um patrols tried to do as well right they tried to come in and do those connections that was happening yeah that was literally i this i'd like to see i think we need to be more intentional about that right for sure uh that might be part of the issue of not having enough staff right it might be they might be sure yeah safe cut yep and target staff i mean this next year's gonna be hard i know the county suffers too with staffing but if we can plan ahead and look ahead and see the cost and what it would take to get that little one but imagine sometimes the levels will go back up having the invite there we have preached at least for a very long time that i've

071been here that relationships you build relationships across all disciplines no matter what it is and having that strong relationship whether it be with the police department the sheriff's department or with the teacher in the classroom or whomever that that's the strength of our districts this should be the strength of our community so it's good to look at it and revisit it and see where we can move next if we can i think that's the point is the if because all i hear you know working with law enforcement is like how overwhelmed how there's not enough applicants how we have vacancies you know dpd and superior police department have vacancies like they could hire more people there's just not enough applicants right now so i like the idea of the invite but also like being realistic

072about you know what they can do and focus on that one that the first item the the long gun the second would be to have a discussion maybe at the police department with uh the chief and get his thoughts on that yeah so do we have interest but i'll add the some an agenda item for july they talking about his tactical supplies too yep yep i'm gonna take a look at whatever that agenda item look like in 2016 and see if i need to how i can revive that for this like can we find out the actual casa is also of their just to see what it cost yeah obviously that changes every year based on their contract exactly but we'll be in the ballpark then it's in the expansionary part isn't it i'll tell

073you that in 2021 you spent 184 19 20. it was 153 000. this year and 2020 was low because of cobit yep and this year we've spent quite a few twenty one weeks we would have people standing in places why would i guess it would go up about twelve thousand dollars okay thank you anything else all right so then i would entertain a fortune to accept the policy and rules committee's report is presented so moved again one motion and any discussion there having done all those in favor signify by saying aye aye opposed question carries all right moving on to the personal negotiations completely stick to mention items tell landon good luck i will thank you the committee recommends approval of resolution 22-02 for inclusion under the state of wisconsin deferred compensation program to approve

074second promotion in a second is there any discussion none all is in favor signify by saying aye aye opposed motion carries next the committee recommends approval of the june 2022 new hires transfers and separations report hope to approve second motion in a second any discussion very nice in favor signify by saying aye aye opposed caution carries next the committee recommends approval of the updated job description and the new salary schedule for the buildings and ground supervisor this position will be in the professional category of the employee handbook move to approve second motion in a second any discussion hearing none all is in favor signify by saying aye aye opposed it carries next the committee recommends approval of the updated salary schedule for the maintenance worker position need to approve second ocean in a second any

075discussion on that hearing none all's in favor signify by saying aye aye opposed motion carries the committee recommends approval of the updated job description for the following positions in the professional category and that is the executive assistant and the executive assistant for the department of teaching and learning are those separate ones or two they're they're two separate positions one on both one one vote okay second promotion in a second any discussion just so i'm clear do those add any financial or is it just the description um they're replacing two positions is that what your question is they're just replacing so it's a description thing it's not a pay change or pay rate um the first one is change is going from an executive assistant to an executive assistant so that any pay change would be

076dependent on who's hired based on experience right that's on the spot right that's kelly's spot always sponsored the other one is the executive assistant for the department of teaching and learning that would be a slight added cost because it'd be going from clerical support to an executive assistant support so that would probably be an increase do you know approximately what it is part of the reasoning for that was in case the executive assistant has to be gone some period of time we have someone to fill in yeah we need more than one person who's able to we need more than one and we have zero right now correct casey we don't know the number right any rough idea no okay yeah i don't know up my head i'll put it in it would also depend

077on yeah it's going experience depend on that i mean we can give a range yeah did the clerical position and now new executive assistant position did they have the same job responsibilities or was it was something added like into one of the things were added and changed the clerical positions getting eliminated right yep several things one example being that they're able to stop and support similar work that kelly's position right yeah so we'll be cutting a position in as part of a way to fund this position correct well no it's replacing replacing it but that's an increased cost slight increase in cost yeah and that's what you're asking what's the difference between those two yeah right so like over the last year or so we've tried to restructure different positions within this building we used

078to employ like for example two people who used to do payroll now we have one person that's part of her job so just over the course of the year we adjust those different positions based on what we need now and i do believe that this the first position actually was reduced in pay not too long ago correct the pay was higher when we initially started the exam benefits i think were adjusted so there was a reduction in category so we reduced that in that area too so originally that position used to be in the administrative category but we didn't feel that was appropriately placed and so that's part now of the professional category so it does require some experience certificate certification or for educational requirements um but it's not an administrative position which changed the

079benefit package that answered the question yeah i guess personally it's probably my fault for not getting to this all week here is figuring out the price i guess i just kind of like to know the money side before i said yes or no to it and i guess everybody can have is going to get i could ask it last week i suppose if i thought about it i can pull it up on the other oh yeah i think she's almost got it we're talking in generalities right because i heard you say that we need to look at experience all that stuff yeah they'll be arranged yeah yeah so and again it's gonna i mean it would have to go i'd have to tell you for every step but we'll just go over here okay on

080step 10 the difference or the highest of the difference if they came in with 10 years because they came over 10 years of experience it's about 25 000 more whoa yeah i don't think we're going to get anybody continued no i don't think so either that would be on step one i think let's look at step one step one is probably gonna be realistic because they're not they're not banging the door down are they yet no i think about a sixteen thousand dollars on step one okay quite the jump is that year round i don't know we i think we looked at the responsibilities though and if we compare that to clerical the responsibilities are substantially different i mean you know you like comparisons and if we compare those two things i think you're going

081to see a big big difference i don't know if you've looked at it or not maybe we could pull up are you talking about the job description yeah i think one of the biggest moments is effective assistant i think one of the biggest needs and one of the biggest differences with the executive assistant is the ability to generate communication independently and be able to complete some tasks um without direction we also are requiring the minimum requirement of simple secondary education which is not required what fun would that come out of yeah general fund and can we afford it yeah you know we're early enough in the budget process but these tweaks that we can make you know i guess but you know the amount of money the difference is enough that we can absorb it

082in a whole personal areas okay is that all does that might come out of the same fund that we pay teachers and everybody else from i mean overall yes but there are some teachers that like special education there are some teachers it's the main it's the main fund though that funds most school operations including staff benefits that's safe to say right how much is our general funds the whole fund yeah the general fund is the so that's the fun that funds most of our operations across the district all right is there any other questions hearing none all those in favor signify by saying aye aye opposed curious okay the last action item the committee recommends approval of the updated job description for the following positions in the teacher category and that is the techno technology

083education teacher move to approve a second motion in a second is there any discussion there was one discussion item the committee of the whole meeting the board discussed planning meet and confer sessions with sft for the 2022-22 school year district administrator starzness starzeki was directed to provide some examples of structures from other districts and to obtain a legal opinion from the district attorney to advise on avoiding any potential legal issues uh we had no informational items it's about entertaining motion to accept the personnel negotiations committee's report is presented to proof second question in a second discussion there turning down all's in favor signify by saying aye aye opposed yes coming down to the teaching and learning committee there were no action items no discussion items we had four informational items at the beginning of the

084whole meeting carrie saunders director of diversity equity and inclusion shared an update and overview of work accomplished in the 21 22 school year crystal hintsman our director of curriculum and instruction she shared her school and summer professional development and that was followed by kate tesh our director of continuous improvement and she and continuous improvement and assessment shared the agr spring update for the board and last tara ghania our director of student services she shared an update on the selection and implementation of a new reading resource for the special education students i want that i would entertain a motion to accept the ttm learning please report so moved second motion in a second any discussion back to you guys now on the next one very none of the favorite signify opposed motion carries all right budgeted

085insurance committee um there are three action items and again one of those is new tonight first and that is the new one administration recommends approval to move the district health insurance to wca group health trust effective july 1st of 2022 due to the current health insurance carrier wea going out of business move to approve as we get back we have emotions there a second again i have a motion and a second discussion i'm just going to turn it over to shannon because i already talked to her prior to the meeting so so for the email that you guys received last week the district was modified that was my speech operations as of 12 31 22. um we could have stayed with them through 12 31 but we had concerns in regards to what kind of

086service they would be able to offer us in these next six months we know that they've already terminated 110 employees so i was worried that you know we would get into september october we could not be able to have the same level of service that we have right now now with that said then we reached out to our current broker talked about some different options and he went back to the companies that bid us back in march and group health trust said that they would honor the bid that they gave us which is what three percent less than what wnea had given us and that they would um move us with very minimal disruption as of seven one meaning that employees don't have to throw out any paperwork because you're just going through enrollment they'll

087do everything throughout electronic transfer so there's no need to um always come back and re-throw paperwork with one of the most daunting tasks or transitions so with that said we're just looking for approval to move forward with them effective seven one is the health insurance benefit january january or is it the school year uh it's uh our is july first to june 30th because our facility is july first year does that hurt anything changing mid as far as people in deductibles with via that they're going to hold that anyway because the new deductible so nothing else in there and you got everything they said in writing correct and i think we should just point out too that we they did give us a lower bid initially but the insurance committee felt like that did you

088say that i i said three percent but i i didn't say why would you yeah so um we just they just felt like the they didn't want the disruption in coverage that that was a minimal savings and so wea trust made the decision for them they made it more yeah yeah they made it for us so and there was a second year recap they were the only company that came back with the second year recap at nine percent so that means yeah that's huge because we've seen some numbers come in significantly higher than that with your terms at 13 14 15 sometimes okay you guys did this all prior to brooke and i have been here i know they're all like the in-house medical care all the same lot of you know doctors and all

089that disruption analysis and the disruption analysis did show that 99.5 of the coverage was the same so there's a very very small percentage where there might be some issues but they reach out to those people directly to figure out what the word whether it's a pharmaceutical issue a carrier issue you know something like that we don't find out where those are we just know that they reach out directly okay is there any other discussion hearing none always in favor signify by saying aye aye opposed carries next the committee recommends approval to accept gifts grants and bequests received in may of 2022. move to approve that again motion in a second is there any discussion thank you very much there's no other discussion then all is in favor signify by saying aye aye opposed curious uh

090the last action item the committee recommends approval of request for new school activity account for the spartan manufacturing auto second question in a second is there any discussion hearing none then all in favor signify by saying hi good morning opposed to carries there were no discussion items the informational item is the fund 10 revenue and expenditure reporting okay we have about 21 million left 12.6 million left to take in uh don't be worried those are a lot of just journal entries that need to be done we don't journal entry the remaining of the tax until about the end of june that's when we'll put those in and then we receive our final state aid information from dpi on june 17th so a lot of those journal entries will come i just think we'll be very

091close on the revenue of this over to the census i get nothing out of the ordinary through may we are sitting at about 9 million left to expend 9.8 million this was before we had run our withheld payroll tables so complex process but we pay the teachers salaries for july and august need to be pushed back into this fiscal year so after i believe we ran our payables about a week and a half ago so this looked different now for june but that's going to eat up a lot of that 9.8 million because it would have brought four payrolls for certified staff that would come out of that okay does anybody have any questions for chad are you planning in july to give a preliminary okay we wanted to mention that yeah we'll do a

092preliminary garden in july uh very preliminary and then we'll also do a wrap up because we should have pretty much the final numbers uh because we do have that late nice little give us a little bit more time to provide those numbers and also because then our audit is that we can have later so our authentication starts the week the lightning life like that so the board officially will approve our budget in the beginning of november but shannon will share with you the development or what that what the initial plan would look like next month are we continuing to work the same company that did our last audit it's very limited in the amount of companies that can provide audits that was my understanding too much about going out to rfp but i think with

093every you know we're going to give them the benefit about because they're going through the same challenge introducing the staffing that we are and so and we'll go through this here and see what happens and then possibly maybe do our meeting in february for march we're not satisfied again excellent thanks for update on that is there any other discussion on that let's entertain a motion to accept the budget and insurance committed report is presented close to approved second motion in a second discussion hearing nonetheless in favor signify by saying aye opposed motion carries all right the operations committee had one action item the committee recommends approval of resolution 22-01 compliance maintenance resolution which is the four corners wastewater treatment supposed to approve second question in a second any discussion and this is just something that

094we do every year and all those in favor say goodbye by saying aye aye opposed motion carries there are no discussion items under informational items the first one is the typo that was from the previous month and um at last week's committee of the whole director of food services jamie wilson he shared an update on the summer food service program that had entertained a motion to accept the operations community reporters for that second promotion in a second discussion your gun also favor signify by saying aye and i'm proposed which carries all right the last minute report is the legislative committee there were no action items no discussion items a couple of informational items federal guidance on using covid relief funds to prevent and respond to crime and promote public safety the us department of education

095previously published this guidance about how sr-3 funds may be used to prevent and respond to crime and promote public safety according to the guidance school districts can use their federal coveted relief resources on several strategies to reduce violence and enhance public safety these strategies aim to help students families and communities to recover from the pandemic the next is wasb resolutions the wasb resolutions book is now updated and posted online resolutions adopted by the annual wasb delegate assembly set the policy direction for the wasb and its lobbying efforts board resolutions for consideration for the 2023 delegate assembly must be submitted to the wsb by september 15th but that i'd entertain a motion to accept the legislative committee's report is presented to approve second question in a second any discussion okay just i yes i pulled up

096or kelly gave me the 2018-2019 legislative priorities that you guys had for that uh last be resolutions yep so just an example that you had was increased special education funding was a topic voucher taxpayer transparency was a topic and medicaid reimbursement for mental health services was another topic that you guys brought forth back in those times i'll just kind of give that example for anybody that's thinking ahead for september here medicaid reimbursement is still an issue sure and special education yeah yeah and special education i guess they're all still an issue all those in favor signify by saying aye aye all right opposed curious i could remember if i did the first sentence all right that concludes the reports are there any other reports by members of the board not i just want to bring

097up one thing um you know the last last regular meeting i brought up our nice visit to the schools since then we finished with the second half of our school of the schools and i just wanted to bring up that i thought it was a great opportunity again for us uh steve olson here accompanied us to those little schools as well and i just want to bring up some of the big takeaways number one i think we're over overwhelmingly welcome at each school um everybody's excited to have us there i didn't have any negative feedback visiting the schools it's a good time to talk with the principals administrators and hear what's going on um but one of the big one common things i kept i i saw in some schools was we talk about mental

098health for students it's we need also think about mental health for staff um you know they do have personal time and sick time and whatnot but again we're talking about shortages and staff and and lack of subs and everything it's it's hard for a lot of those good teachers to actually take a personal day when they know they can't have a sub fill that spot and so just trying to focus a little bit on what we can do maybe in future what schools can do for you know just the mental health health of their own um their own staff in general and i'm not saying they're doing anything wrong or bad just bringing bringing that to light that we we need to watch that too and focus on that as well as well as the

099students um again getting schooled i thought morale was high at some schools and the reason i say that is some schools highlighted a great a great bond between the ptas and their schools some more than others and the schools that had high morale amongst their staff seem to have a high turnout with pta um and parents showing up to those and broke or stevie correct me if i'm wrong but that kind of seemed to be a correlation there with with the morale and the pta um four cars we talked about liaison we already talked about liaisons out already tonight so i won't touch on that anymore um but just they need to have some kind of presence out there same thing with lake superior either kind of like on the fringe or outside the fringe

100per se um yeah anyhow time was limited someplace we had a lot to run into and we had a great lunch um at the high school with uh jamie wilson kind of showed us the food services and talked to us about dad i think i think that was a great highlight or a great way to end our our visits but again i will keep preferencing that i think it's important for us to visit these schools once in a while um again if anybody wants to go open invitation let's do it let's just make it work last time because i i think publicly said i'd like to go and then i think what we'll do is let's get school underway and maybe fall maybe i'll set up i meant like specifically what was the process really

101that's what i mean yeah i was just saying that could like select board members go to the schools or only well you can't all go at the same time so um we can yep so what's the decision process for the three that one i asked to be included i knew they'd let me know that they did you do it publicly or do you do it privately oh i did it so after after that board me when i right when i gave the offer um actually steve's suit back here wanted to go as well and when i gave the open offer just let me know um they let they let me know i said let's let's do it and you're making the decision that's what it sounds like i'm just checking i didn't make a make

102any decision i think it's it's uh a thing we can all do on our own i think mike if you wanted to visit absolutely i think if you want to visit schools i think you can you can ask too um that's why i'm asking the process because i work in a school so i gotta so here's what i'm proposing i think it's a good idea for you guys to see the daily operations what i'm proposing is what we put we pushed out like a calendar so you would sign up so they'd be limited to how many people could go at one time obviously um but then you'd sign up as to when you're available and i think it's always good to come back and report out when you when we do these things in an

103organized way so we i i would suggest we get school underway before we do it again that's all i want to do is trying to go rogue you know i can go by myself and i'd love to i think but going rogue is not really you would prefer if the guidance is different from osb on how this goes so right i would prefer everyone in an organized way like i so that principals and staff can anticipate and know what's kind of happening because it does have an impact i hope we're considering that because working in a school myself when board members are there it's different and i take into consideration the impact you might have on staff too and i do site visits i know crystal does site visits she's doing walkthroughs in the classrooms

104i do walk throughs with principals so we wouldn't want to like do we want to coordinate those efforts right so we're not all standing what i'm getting at because you know i want to go to the schools and i can go to the schools but i think that just me showing up so that's why i'm kind of trying to identify what processes have you used you kind of mentioned that people are coming to you to ask so i think what i heard is kelly organized it for our new board members perfect i think steve you possibly reached out and said can i join you is that what happened yes yeah so doing it in session publicly isn't it should be privately well no we're going to organize it more thoughtfully in the fall that's what

105i recommend just good for me to know the policies and how we're going to go about it so that we all have an opportunity we really talk about involvement and inclusion and all those things i want to be a part of that inclusion and that involvement yeah i think i vaguely remember when you brought that up that you were interested in and i got a response from both brooke and you both about how much you'd like to have me there so i just never got the invite so i i bring this up because i think it's important that we highlight what we saw and and what took part uh the process we went through just like amy says that uh we had a sign up the school principals all knew and had chances to sign

106up um i'm not unilaterally making decisions but i think that anybody anybody up here can ask the questions and and show show the interest and out of respect of what a official meeting is we can't bring more than three that's that's just the way it works so that's how that's all boils down to and again no this isn't it oh hold on mike no it says it this doesn't make anything let me let me finish please okay should we get can i is i finish what are you gonna get done if you got somewhere to go you can go but i'll finish something to say and you still okay so now you lost my train of thought but i think it's i mean is it sounds good this isn't this isn't a bad thing this

107is a this is a good thing in no way do we go to schools to dictate what's going on or or do anything it's just a nice way for us to show that we are interested we want to see what's going on and have a nice conversation i don't know why we're trying to make this such a negative thing or a bad thing or argue about it again i as i've said many times before i extend the op the uh invitations if anybody wants to take me up and we can organize it just like we did before i would i would love to do it and we can look at that as a future for the next school year but again i think it's important that we uh do what we can to to keep

108our interests and and see what's going on in schools i'll let you guys sort of clarify you just said i open the extension to coordinate it so you're gonna coordinator i'm so confused that's not what i said i said i give an open invitation if you want to go to schools let's talk and then let's coordinate it with or amy don't have to go with me you can go on your own you go with anybody you want i'm just giving an invitation mike and i understood amy to say she's going to set up a calendar excellent to where board members can sign up okay and the board members line up when one gets full that that beat is then oh perfect find another date that fits for you and i would guess that if we

109had an interest to going in we could approach amy and it can be worked out yep you know i just want to say something last meeting this meeting the meeting where we had our mask we are supposed to work as a group we're not supposed to be bickering in front of our public that's all i got to say i'm really disappointed in it been here for 24 years steve there's been bickering yeah i know but i mean we're supposed to work at a group as a group let's work as a group and i just keep on saying to my kids you know and trying to model i mean we are teaching restorative practice to our students about respect kindness inclusion and then we as a board need to model that as well thank you um

110so what are we teaching our kids you know we can we can have we can agree to disagree but i think respect and kindness goes a long way so what i see is asking clarifying questions happens a lot it happened a lot in the previous meeting it happened a lot in other meetings certain members on our board asked a lot of clarifying questions now i'm asking clarifying questions about procedures and policies for who can access the schools how do we as a board want to go about it and i'm picking up on some extreme defensiveness about it i understand that open invitation has been offered i raised my hand and said i would like to be invited okay so that's you and i said that to you and that didn't happen so i'm just putting

111that out there so that i'm not putting anything on either one of you because you're the two that offer the invitations that we have a process and i'm glad we're gonna have it it works out great because then it looks like an inclusive process if i remember and how that i don't understand how my clarifying questions are causing such unrest and mike i think that you brought up the um thought that you would like to join after we had already visited if i remember correctly and it's right so and then steve went for another round of visits correct i think it was after the fight strong yeah after the first after the first round steve went on another round of visits so yeah and i honestly knew that steve was coming that day so perfect

112again it wasn't that there's a mike it wasn't to try to leave anyone out or disclude it was purely that he had asked ed i didn't know you know you can only have three so might be fine i really i think that you're you might be reading into things or feelings might be a little bit more hurt over it and it wasn't intentionally done and we are excited as a group to i think get into the schools i think we need to focus on that good and that positiveness and less on like the divisiveness of well i didn't get invited or he got invited or we need to come together and work as a team unintentionally overlooked right now we have a process right so by asking my clarifying questions now i know what the

113process is because did anybody know what the process was before i asked that what can i clarify something so um we had a process in place for a new board member orientation steve olson took it upon himself to ask to join them that was you didn't do that through kelly you didn't do that through me no i did not so in the future we should work through the process i think that's what i'm hearing today i'll take the blame for that because i i gave the invitations okay i'm just listening i'm observing i'm trying so then factually i would contest what you're saying it's about feelings or taking it out of context the process was that he was asked personally and then he asked personally and that's the first said yes so there was an

114opportunity for other board members to do that even though i said i would like to go okay that's all i wanted to declare and i from my understanding steve had asked as well and because we were going to have four you had to say stepped in and says we can only have three people i'll step out right that's what i said that is correct and i also told you that evening steve if you really wanted to go that i also would step up you had the opportunity we're trying here okay it'll be better next time and i think this was new mike this was new is that correct correct so i think there's things to work out yeah always get asked clarifying questions about what politicians and procedures are following though correct perfect then there's

115no feelings involved just matter of fact all right we're good good all right all right are there any other reports by members of the board about district and program highlights i got nothing what about softball yeah oh yes that was very exciting they did great we're very proud of them get to the final four i softball teams i've seen in a long time they are very good yes i don't know who won last year though click on that never very good anything else any other one anybody else with district and program highlights about consideration of bills and pre-approved bills move to any comments by members of the public i got nothing all right with that the meeting is adjourned thank you everyone gonna have something