Board Meeting 9-22-25

001All right. Welcome, welcome everyone. I'd like to call this meeting of the West Dallas West Milwaukee School Board to order. A board member Verbos, would you lead us in the pledge? >> Ice to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. All right. And sir, would you call the role? >> Mr. Lee >> here. >> Miss Kaiser >> here. >> Mr. Rubos >> present. >> Miss Deal >> here. >> Miss Lee >> here. Mr. Keller >> here. >> Mr. Becker >> here. >> Miss Carr here. President Burns >> present. All right. Proper notice of this meeting has been posted in accordance with the open meeting laws of the state of Wisconsin. Uh, are there any modifications to

002our agenda tonight? >> There are no modifications this evening. >> All right. Well, then that will lead us right into the superintendent's report. Go ahead. >> So, good evening. I'm glad to see so many of our our students and our scholar athletes here uh this evening as well as their parents and coaches. So, glad to have you. Uh, feel free to stay the entire night if you if you don't mind. Right. I don't want to see this mass exodus once these are done. All right. That's a I'm going start calling names in a second. All right. Okay. All right. So, I do have a couple of things tonight. Legislative updates. Two federal grants canled uh which supports sped teachers as well as deaf blind students. So, federal government has ended funding for the Wisconsin deafb

003blind technical assistance project and the state personnel development grant which were intended to help recruit and retain special education teachers. The WDBTAP, which serves 170 students with vision and hearing loss, provided assistance technology, coaching, family support, and professional training. The SPG DG, which was part of a 5-year grant cycle, funded programs like the special educator induction program, which supported 280 new special educators. DPI uh plans to appeal the decision to end both grant programs. The loss of funding comes at a critical time for staffing shortages in Wisconsin and the nation. And now I'm going to actually bring up Shelley Straer for uh who's going to walk us through the captains or you're going straight to the athletic directors. Which one? Shelley. Okay. So Trevor and Katie. Is Katie here? I don't see Katie. Okay. You're

004going to walk us through this? Oh, I see her now. All right. Good evening. My name is Mr. Leopold and I have the privilege to be in the athletic director at Nathan Hill High School. Tonight is my honor to introduce the fall sports varsity team captains. The student athletes who not only lead their teams in competition but also set a standard for effort, integrity, and school pride. First, we have our cheer team. We have Andrea Fitzgerald and Lily Regus. Head coaches are Head coaches are Lily Trilk and Allison Reggus. >> All right. Boys cross country captains Ethan Plyier, Preston Plier, Cota Broner, and Joseph Ventura. Head coach is John Dit. Girls cross country, we have captains Anna Coney and Audrey Wera. Head coach is Courtney Frederick. Dance captains Kayla Foster, Izzy Pry, Bella Schmidtz, Haley

005McCarron, Sophia Pakowski, and head coach Jenna Richie. Girls volleyball captains Molina Micardo and Abby Columbo. Head coach is Josh Coplan. And girls tennis captains Tammy Hataya and Steph Burke. Our head coach is Pam Javveris. And now for a few quick highlights from the season so far. Just a few weeks ago, the Huskys girl volleyball team stormed through the new New Berlin invite, finishing with a three-1 record, capturing the silver bracket championship. And this past Saturday, the boys cross country team raced past the competition at the 21 teams Warrior Invitational, bringing home the championship trophy. Along the way, our runners have been setting personal records week after week. These captains and teams are represented are shining examples of what it means to be a Nathan Hale Husky. Hardworking, resilient, and full of pride. Thank you again

006for being here tonight and for supporting our student athletes and celebrating their leadership and accomplishments. Thank you. I'm going to be a little [Music] I know I a long time ago, but I love it. I'm going behind. stressing career now. >> Okay. My name is This is way too tall, right? Do I move this? Can you hear me? Oh god. >> Okay. All right. My name is Katie Reka. I'm the athletic director at West Central High School. Um, here are our fall captains. Um, starting with cross country, we have captains Diego Louisa, Chase Evers, and Delilah Estrada. We also have Brian Deleó, but he was not able to make it. They are coached by Dave, Jesse, and Bailey Leonard. Um, this year has been super fun getting a bunch of PRs at every meet. And

007then they were able to attend the Nenah Night meet, which is a hard meet to get into. It was super fun. They ran with glow sticks and that was a cool experience. So, congrats to them. >> Thanks, guys. Um, girls volleyball. Our captains are Kennedy Lampre and Laniah Varela and they are coached by Amanda Schwenber. They've had a super fun season of team building and they got to um they did a parent night last week. I thought it was really cool. Every girl got to say something about each parent and they all presented them with a gift. So, it was really nice, really nice to be a part of. Um, girls swim and dive. The captains are Kaylee Jansen and Kayla Seaffeld. They are coached by Essie Lamont and then Sandy Sikitch for diving. Um,

008they've had a super fun season. We had a really fun sprint meet back in August and we're actually hosting our first try on Wednesday. um dance. Our captains are Emily Turner, Alleska Ortiz, and Toby Whmer. They are coached by Emma Strankowski. Um they had a super fun summer. They competed at State Fair. They had a variety of other competitions. And dance is just fun to have um at every back to school event. They're kind of a staple in the central community, whether it's like welcoming freshmen or staff or students. It's just fun to have our dance team always be part of the things. So, um, boys soccer is not here because they are actually starting a game it in 15 minutes. Um, their captains are Yachti Barbosa and Don Barahas. They are coached by Peter

009Carr. Um, they've been really strong this season. It's exciting to watch. On Friday, they shut out Martin Luther four to zero. Tonight, they're playing Brown Deer varsity only. So, if you guys want to stop over to the complex after that, we are at home. Um, it should be a good game. Um, so I guess we can clap in honor of them playing. Um, and then last but not least is boys volleyball. Our captains are Liam Divine and Alex McMillan, and they are coached by Marcus Meyer. Um, they've had a pretty dominating season so far. They've been keeping games to only or keeping matches to only three games. Um, and if you want to go to the next slide, Carolyn. Um, they are actually having a game at Whitnull on Wednesday at 6:30. This is a

010very exciting game because, um, this is the repeat of the regional championship game from last year, which West Alice won. So, we're thinking it's going to be a really good game. Um, the student section theme is jerseys. We're trying to get as many people out to Whitnull as we can. So, um, come support our dogs there. >> Before we take the picture and everybody starts to uh to leave, honestly, I know you're not staying the rest of the night. Um, I just want to um urge the community again to come out and support the volleyball team on this coming Wednesday. I I know there's a big game and so I'm going to be in attendance and I want everybody to join the superintendent squad. So, we're calling it the soup squad. So, everybody come out

011and cheer. I'll probably be the one that's acting the craziest, but come out and support our our our boys. And we're going to do this periodically throughout the year where we bring attention to sports and invite everyone to please come out regardless of the sport that you normally would cheer for. I think every kid uh involved in our our sports programs deserves a crowd and attention that that they that they uh deserve. So, uh looking forward to it, Liam. I want to see some spikes again. Okay. All right. All right. All right. Good luck everyone. like you. Okay. >> Each year, the Salvation Army hosts its class act backpack and school supply teleathon, inviting community members to donate in support of students. The funds collected are used to purchase backpacks and school supplies for children

012across Milwaukee and Walkershaw counties. We are grateful uh that the Salvation Army selected the West Dallas West Milwaukee School District as a recipient this year, providing a total of 132 backpacks for our students. We extend our sincere gratitude to First United Methodist Church for their generous donation to the West Dallas West Milwaukee School District. Their contribution will make it possible for uh to purchase muchneeded supplies for our schools, directly supporting both students and staff. Community partnerships like this play an important role in ensuring our schools have the resources they need to create positive learning environments and we are truly thankful for their commitment to our student success. And and also as a teaser, I just been informed uh last week that um the Knights of Columbus will be donating a jacket or coat to every

013student at Persian. So at some point we'll get Mr. Jerry Faulk to come and he'll he'll talk for about you know good while. But we we'll we'll gladly accept and I told him to let me know when that happened so we can be in attendance. So I'll let you the board know when that happened so we can support that as well. couple of events um this past week. Quadrant B superintendent meeting, cross functional team meeting, special education, West Dallas Rotary Club meeting, Mitchell Elementary School. I was a guest reader at their sore pep rally, Nathan Hale football games versus Germantown uh as well as uh last week where we played who did we play for homecoming? Uh Brooksville East, right? Yeah, Brookfield East, Central versus uh Nathan Hill volleyball match. Central uh city schools monthly

014meeting uh investature of MATC president Dr. Anthony Cruz was held on last Friday and then uh this today we held held a CT meeting with David Pulk from the department of workforce development. So a lot of new things coming out out as far as our pathways for students. We're working hard on trying to make that happen. And that concludes my report for this evening. >> All right. Thank you Dr. Robinson. Uh that'll take us to our public comments section of the meeting tonight. So uh at this time if anyone would like to address the board, you may sign up in the back of the room or in the link in the Zoom chat. You have three minutes to provide comments. The board cannot discuss, debate, or act upon any item addressed during the public comments

015portion of the school board meeting. Uh follow-up may be provided by the superintendent at the next regular board meeting. At this time, we don't have anyone signed up. I'll give it a moment to see if anyone is rushing to do that. All right, seeing none, I will close our public comments portion and move on to section 8, our board reports, starting with 8.1, which is the review of our board calendar. Uh tonight, September 22nd, we have a regular board meeting that also includes a 2425 referendum update workshop uh to review some of the work that has been accomplished so far. On October 13th, we have a regular board meeting uh includes a teaching and learning workshop uh that about the fall screener data presentation and fastbridge uh beginning of the year data. October 20th, we

016have a board workshop meeting currently scheduled uh with no topic currently on the t table. And then on October 27th, we have another regularly scheduled board meeting uh to approve the 2025 2026 final budget and tax levy. Um that will take us to our board committee reports. And so our first report is should be from the communication and community relations committee. Board member Deal. >> Uh thank you. Um so our committee met uh actually right before this meeting tonight. Um we had two things that we discussed. The first one was um ADA website accessibility update. So over a year ago, the Department of Justice stated that um state and local government websites have to be ADA accessible, including school district websites by April 2026. uh communication stats have been working with um a strategic strategies

017company to be looking to be in looking at how to convert our district's website so that is compliant with this request. ADA ADA accessible um includes things such as having al alternative text on every photo using full titles for example WWSD organization chart not org chart no merged cells no PDFs and no graphics. Um the second thing we talked about was um we discuss those the committee members discussed changing the name of our committee from the communications and community relations committee to the communications and engagement committee. Um comm committee members all agreed that this name change would better reflect the purpose of our committee and that is all we talked about. >> All right. Any questions for the committee? >> Board member Lee. Uh, is that name change then effective immediately or is that going

018to be something that gets done in the future? >> We actually needed to get some clarification as to whether or not we had to find out if we needed to vote on that. So, I was ask Sarah to look into that. >> Yeah. >> Thank you. >> Any other questions? No. All right, then. Thank you. And we'll move on to our next one, which is the financial stability and efficiency committee. Uh, board member Kaiser. >> All right. Good evening. We met last Thursday, September 18th. Uh the meeting discussed several key items and are both old and new. First, the focus for the compensation model. We were presented with the format that um was kind of built by this committee. This committee has been going on for about a year now. Um it this is currently

019for certified staff SLPs, OT's and PTs with the goal of getting this passed hopefully by uh the beginning of next year and uh the calendar year um with lanes and steps and uh assistant principal Norris went through all what we saw and was very um uh thorough about making sure we understood what it looks like. committee is now back in their schools talking to people about it, getting feedback. Um, there will be a full board workshop around October 20th. The timeline for the compensation plan would include finalizing a booklet about compensation adjustments, those for get their master's degree or difference jumps along the way in November, followed by discussions on the appeal clarification process in December and January. Board approval of the plan is expected in February and staff meetings to educate employees about the

020new structure will occur in March. The plan aims for a base wage increase for all employees to be approved by the board in April with contract set up by the end of the month. Additionally, the appeal clarification request will be ex I'm saying appeal clarification. We're kind of leaning toward the word clarification of well, can you explain why my salary is in this step as opposed to straight up saying I'm not going to sign my thing. We want to make sure we have um uh teachers have time to clarify and get those answers from us. Um those will be accepted through in May 8th. In other news, the board is going to approve well is going to vote tonight on an 11% increase in the health insurance renewal for January 2026. Uh lastly, the district's

021post 65 retirey health insurance plan, which currently covers we currently cover 50% of the base plan. Um, we're planning there's a plan to possibly modify that so the district costs are fixed, but there's more information to be done. So, thank you. Thank you. Are there any questions for the committee? >> All right. Seeing none, thank you. That will take us to our recreation and community services uh committee. Board member Lee. >> Thank you, President Burns. Um, I'm actually going to defer my um my report as it will be an action item in just a little bit and we'll hear all about it. >> Fair enough. All right, works for me. Then uh that will wrap up our community or committee reports and we'll have our board member reports of community events. Are there any events

022that the board would like to uh share? I attended the Hail Homecoming parade and um you know, as always, it was delightful. I thought that um the floats were exceptional this year. I do have to say I thought that there was an abundance of candy, which I appreciated. And um I I just think that those kinds of events are how we create memories in our district and um I was just always honored to be part of that. >> You uh any others? Yes. >> I also attended the homecoming parade and as like um Miss Carr said, it's always wonderful and attended well and we had great weather. The rain held off. Um, and I just one little change I noticed is that the um, the senior football players wanted to be a part of it

023this year where in past years they're normally warming up on the field and so we made some little adjustments so that they could be part which I thought was really exciting and fun for them as well as the community. Um, yeah, other than that I guess that's it. >> All right. Thank you. Any other events that anyone attended that they'd like to share? Sure. Board member Becker. I was able to make it to a couple of football games over at Hail. Uh made it to a couple more volleyball games. Uh the notable event I'd say was the the open house over at Hale though. So um technically as a parent, but I did have my board member uh ears on. So it was nice to see the specifically uh just seeing the commitment of teachers

024who were staying till 8:00 and past to field questions and speak with parents one-on-one. It was it was a really nice event. Great to meet people. some new teachers in the district. Um uh and it was also interesting hearing the the math curriculum spoken of in really similar terms to what we just spoke about in committee the week before. So that was good to see it in the wild in addition to seeing it here in our in our committees. >> Great. Thank you. Any other reports? All right. Uh well from there we'll close out that part. We'll move into 8.4. for which is other updates and information from me but I have none. Uh so unless there is anything else that needs to be talked about we'll move on to our consent agenda. So that

025will take us in uh item nine our consent agenda which includes the approval of minutes uh our employee summary uh our supplementary contracts and then our financial summary. Uh are there any questions for this content? All right. Seeing none, I would entertain a motion. >> Move to approve. >> Second. >> Can we expand the motion? >> Move to Are we doing all four? >> Yes. >> Oh. Move to approve 9.1, 9.2, 9.3, 9.4. >> Y. Thank you. All right. So, we have a motion and a second to approve uh 9.1, 9.2, 9.3, 9.4. Is there any further discussion? All right. Uh then uh all those in favor >> I >> those opposed. All right. And that will pass. That will take us to our item 10 action items. And we will start with 10.1 our

0262025 2026 extracurricular and co-curricular handbook uh presentation. So >> I'm gonna start us out tonight. Um so this I just want to share this process for uh extracurriculars and co-curriculars is really a cross collaborative process as you can see involving HR business office and then um athletic representation. So it is our recommendation this evening that the board approves the 2526 extracurricular and co-curricular handbook in accordance with board policy 3120.08 08 which I don't know if you've had a chance to look at it does state uh compensation for coaching and advising duties shall be determined by the board. Um so that is we're here to share that portion of the handbook tonight. Um and but you'll see as a whole the handbook outlines our policies, practices and procedures for issuing our stipens. Um and most recently

027we've revised it um for a number of reasons to show really to really have it be reflective of our current athletic structure. So um when I started really getting involved with our high school athletics um there kind of was this theme of you know we could use more money type of thing. So, I started to ask around and in working with, you know, Aaron, one of the things we looked at is were we fully using um all the supplementary stipen dollars for athletics and we weren't. So, let's find out why. So, now the current handbook is reflective of our current structure. And if you take a look in there, you'll see things noted like the co-ops, um certain sports only have certain levels, things of that nature. Um the other thing um that is is

028in there and was added as a part of our strategic plan but then just also as comparable studies and looking at what other districts do and pay for coaches is we are offering um what we refer to as a longevity um incentive for our coaches. So in 2425 it was started with head coaches. Now in 2526 um it is also applies to our assistant um coaches and there's some guidelines around that too as you can see in there. Um but on that I wanted to share we we've also looked at what are um other area communities doing in terms of that right that's always a conversation who's paying what when right and we know it's all tied to budget but Wakaaw and Kadahay also provide they call the years of service um incentive for their

029coaches and then the Wawaossa school district um they pay their coaches based on the length of the season. So, they actually have two tiers of coaches. Um, one is just called A, if you're in tier A, um, you get this amount for that duration. If you're in tier B, you get this amount because your season is that duration. That's not a model we are looking at and considering, but want you to just be aware of. We are doing our research and our homework and we're putting this together. I think I'd just add to that that the amounts you see in the handbook are what we feel is uh regionally competitive to those districts and longevity is kind of on top of that. So coaches hitting year three through five would receive an additional 250 and

030then five plus would get the additional 500. Is that correct? >> Correct. >> Yeah. Yeah. So the model being supportive of kind of the district's I guess vision around being competitive with salaries and stipens is kind of all fits together in a nice bucketed um I guess um plan to make sure our coaches stick around and are paid competitively while they're here. So anything else that I don't know if you want to speak to the >> Sure. Yeah. So, so under the policy uh 3120 as Shelley referenced, the the board's purview again similar to like a compensation model is to approve the plan. What's the compensation plan, right? And historically that hasn't been brought here for a while. So, we wanted to kind of resurface that and have that be more of a conversation being

031more of a focal point with athletics as you've seen over the past couple years here. Um, so that's kind of what this handbook is. So, kind of moving forward annually, what we're looking for is this will get brought every year in April. So we have the compensation meeting to some degree. This will look like 2627, right? And what that looks like u Shel and her team will be diving into not just co-curric or not just athletics but you know what's the region paying? Are there any changes going on? What's that look like for our coaches etc etc. Also part of 3120 is co-curriculars. And so near the end of this handbook, um what you'll see and not to drag the handbook to be longer, but what we tried to do is provide some purview for

032the board to understand how are schools given dollars for co-curriculars that's not inclusive completely of co-curriculars because schools also use these allocations for you know things in the building for like you know who's the teacher on lead in elementary school that wouldn't be considered a co-curricular but the dollars come from the same bucket right so what we tried to do is provide kind of what the process is for how schools get those dollars and it's a it's really based on enrollment the last the last year's second Friday count and then try to give you guys an idea of like hey over the past two years what have been the co-curriculars you've seen across the district and then what have the ranges in pay been the way that these schools um come to that dollar amount

033is simply an hours calculation it's 20 hours an hour when the principal fills the form out they're essentially projecting hey the club or the co-curricular activities is going to meet every Tuesday, Thursday from 3:30 to 5:30 at 20 bucks an hour times however many weeks you get to an amount, right? Um, and what we'll what we'll do in future years is break this out, I think, um, to show like, hey, if a club hasn't met, it met in 23 24, but not 2425, the board gets to see like this might be a club you might not see here next year, right? Because clubs are developed on student and staff interest. And so one of the things we tried to do here if you get go to the third to last page is is to try

034to set that if a club or a co-curricular this year which wasn't offered last year wants to be offered at the school level it still can be under the same purview. That way when you are here in April that will then be on this sheet right try to keep it most up to date. So trying to give um just some background and also kind of what we see moving forward in terms of co-curriculars. So, >> all right. Any questions then from the board? Yeah, >> just a quick question. And when I say stage manager, what's that pertaining to? >> Yeah, I can speak to that. So, um I mean obviously we have the stage manager as part of youth theater, but there's often times in schools whether it's a an assembly um conference night when

035help is needed with light, sound, audio, visual, then it's a school event. So that's something that the schools cover then or during the day any type of presentations they have somebody that can help with those. >> Thank you. And I appreciate the transparency of where the numbers come from because I know people have asked. I said I don't know myself. So now we can just say go look. So thank you for all that work. >> All right. Other questions from the board. >> Yes, board member Lee. >> First of all, thanks so much for putting this together. I think this is very helpful. Um, and I it does remove some of the cloud of uncertainty about where these numbers come from and and being on the board for as long as I've been on, I've

036never, you know, I just know there was an amount, you know, and I figured there was some rhyme reason for doing it, but um didn't really understand exactly why that amount was arrived at. I'm also glad to see some longevity um bonuses being put in play as we know that um much like with teaching staff, consistency is important when building a program and um getting excitement around that program. So I think if you can encourage coach coaches to stay longer um that helps in trying to build that sort of mentality in whatever sport or co-curricular they might be involved with. So um that's a good thing. I'm glad to see it and glad to see it'll be evaluated annually to see where things are as far as regionally and making sure we're staying as competitive

037as we can within our budgetary constraints. So, thank you for that. Um, and then I presume this has been communicated to those this will impact or so that they like are we sending it to them? Is this going to live on the website somewhere? Can you tell me where we can find this? Presuming the board approves it and then again, are you individually sending it out to the people this currently would affect? Maybe you want to hit on the extracurricular piece on that, but the handbook does live on the website accessible to staff. Now, the public, it'll be after this meeting. We'll have that on the website. That'll be something we'll take care of. Historically, it hasn't been, but moving forward, it will be. >> Good. >> Because we have a lot of lay people

038who may apply for some of these things, right? Coaching and things like that especially. So, >> and that's a good question. So like Shel when a when a someone wants to apply for one of these extracurricular coaching positions is the salary listed or is this something that's like handed out from the ads or how does that work? Might be something >> I guess last um I'm trying to think back to a posting for a coach like an athletic coach. Um I don't recall the salary being posted on the weekend. I don't presume that it would be because the head coaches will distribute the duties between the assistant coaches >> specifically and that might be different depending upon how their team structure is. >> So the head coach is essentially like the budget manager and we'll

039make the determination of responsibilities and then we'll determine what their payroll is. >> But if you're posting a head coaching position, would that then be posted? Yes, it would be posted, but the salary piece of it would not be posted because again they're making decisions about different responsibilities that have different types of compensation. >> So may maybe it's something that where we could post we could like reference this guide on the website where they could review it because the one thing that is interesting is is the assistant coaches um >> that's like the max amount they could receive. Certainly a head coach could go, I want to divide this into three buckets and there's only two buckets here, but that might mean everyone gets a little bit less to have more coaches, right? But >>

040so I understand that part, but the head coaching seems like it's this is how much the maximum that you could get basically. I mean, guess you could get conceivably less than that, but if you're posting a head coaching position for baseball, well, this says it's, you know, $4,100. So, it would make sense to me, unless there's a reason not to post that. So then someone who's applying for it kind of has an understanding of how that would what they're actually would getting if they would get it and it might affect whether they apply or not. Right. >> Sure. >> I I I agree. I I I don't know how if you if you post a a salary of $4,100, how inviting that sounds. Uh not very inviting. I I think that if you have a

041coach Yeah. If you have a coach that that is a teacher and there's a stipen, that's a little bit more inviting because they have a teacher salary on top of. So, it's Yeah, I I understand. I agree with you. But I don't know if you put it on a website a weekend or whatever >> and you say $4,100 for the position. I'm not sure how inviting that's going to be. I don't know the answer to that. It might be something that we yeah get into a practice now and just thinking ahead of like the compensation model being like an external living document of like teacher applies what's the salary unknown because it's based on who you are your experiences your education like maybe it's just linked into the posting of this is how we determine

042pay for these >> and I I don't know if there's a huge a lot of bargaining that goes back and forth on a you know if a coach wants to be a head coach we're generally going to be in the neighborhood of that whatever the market is. So, I don't know if that's a conversation, but this is kind of new territory for us. But I think you bring up a good point. I just don't know how much of a deal breaker that would be either way on the putting that $4,100 out there. Just an example. I don't know the answer to that. >> Is that is that a thing that could be resolved by listing it in terms of something um more like a range saying, you know, >> it could be it could be

043up to x amount. And I think this may this may also be a situation where we look and see what the other districts around us are doing and what how are they posting it. I think we may to try to get in there cuz if we go different in this kind of situation, it may be have a negative effect on us that we're not intending it to have. >> Yeah. Just trying to figure out what the consistent language is going to be. >> Put us ahead of what other district >> it could it could the perception is what I'm I'm talking about the really the shock factor of seeing it though. They may say, "Oh, only that. That's all." Like, when really that's a lot. You know what I'm saying? So, I don't know. Let's

044Let's do a little bit more research on that one. I'm not either way on it. I just want to see what what the language is out there on that. >> Yeah. I mean, I'm not married to anything, but it's I was just wondering like if it's if it's set like if this is an amount to me, it makes sense to give that amount, but if there is some sort of flexibility in that like where it could be somehow I guess less. It couldn't be higher, right? Like that's the most you could do, >> right? These are all max amounts. So typically, well, >> we don't allow there's not an approval to go above that and ex except with obviously the longevity. >> Sure. >> Um because we are tied to a budget and based on

045kind of what's listed, we have budgeted to the penny. >> So there really isn't a lot of flexibility and we also I would caution like a range because >> we don't have a criteria for what puts you where in the range, right? And I just past practice has shown typically people end up at the high end of the range anyway. So you just start there and and more often we will find a head coach is willing to take less than the max to spread that out amongst their assistant coaches to you know get more coaches or pay them more. Um because quite honestly I mean and you probably could ask any of the coaches that were here tonight. Majority of our coaches aren't in it for the money. you know, they're in it for the

046love of the sport and to help, you know, grow athletes and students. So, >> yeah. And I can confirm that. Um, we don't post the compensation. >> Okay. Well, I'll leave it up to you to determine if that's the best practice or not moving forward now that we have something more formalized in place. >> Thank you. >> Okay. All right. Did you have a question? >> Uh, yeah. Well, not necessarily a question. So I of all the things I've recruited for, educational or coaching positions have been not one of them. However, I will say um if you have a specific salary amount um and there's no negotiating, I don't think it harms putting that rate out there. Uh I think that way people know what they're getting into. To your point, they're not doing this

047for the money anyway. Like anybody who is applying for a coaching position is not saying, "Okay, how much money am I going to make doing this?" That's not it. They're doing it because they love the game that they are coaching. They want to help develop students to get better in that sport. Um yeah, and really just the love of the game for the most part. Um so I think having that amount listed probably does not hurt anything. I would be curious though, um I think to Dr. Robinson's point, what other districts are doing. Um although I think this could be an area where we're just a leader at. I I don't understand why there'd be any reason not to have that just cuz if if that's pretty much what we're going at and we know

048that that's what it is, it just puts everything out there and that's one less thing to worry about. So that was just my added piece. >> Thank you. Uh any other questions from the board? All right, seeing none, this is an action item. So, I would entertain a motion at this time. >> Move to approve 10.1, the 2526 extracurricular and co-curricular handbook. >> Second. >> All right, I have a motion and a second. Is there any further discussion on this? Seeing none, all those in favor? >> I. >> Those opposed? All right, that passes. Thank you very much, everyone. All right, that'll take us to 10.2, which is our 2026 health insurance renewal. Mr. Norris, >> great. Thank you again for having me. Um, tonight I'm looking to seek approval for the um January of

0492026 in healthcare insurance renewal. On the 25th, Brown and Brown joined the team here to discuss kind of the state of the health insurance market, um kind of the negotiations to date, and kind of the recommendations um for January 2026. So just a quick re recap um the initial renewal with United Healthcare under the nexus acco plan um came back at 23.9 point 23.9% for the 2026 um uh fiscal year uh or calendar year, sorry about that. Um the increase was driven mainly due to high loss ratios we've been experiencing and trying to manage that um in a number of ways has been kind of the work of the district um in conjunction with our employees. the RFP for the renewal at the same plan uh came back with uh really two main competitors that

050was Anthem which came back at 35% year-over-year and then Network Health at 37.9 and it's important to note that Network Health uh came back with the exclusion of Aurora which would have an impact a disruption rate of 80% for our employees. So um as we kind of engage with health insurance in terms of where we want to go in in terms of how do we manage premiums, how do we manage costs, how do we manage plans, then couple things we look at. Number one is um managing employee benefits like maintain the status quo. So what that means is 100% co insurance, deductible rates, things that are going to have low impact and hopefully some ability to move the needle in a premium. uh disruption is huge, minimal increases to premiums and then coverage. So restricting

051network is obviously a less um than advantageous thing to do. So looking at what are the types of care people get and where they get it at is important. That's why I mentioned the Aurora at network health. Um but this year to get from 23.9 uh unit healthcare was able to negotiate down to 18% and from there uh we we were able to get down to 11% with some changes. Those changes are as follows. Um, increasing prescription co-pays by $10 per tier. Um, reducing our current wellness funding from $750 to 550. And that difference is really the dollars we've been using for the gym equipment for staff in our in our schools. And then removal of our uh nurse liaison position, which was um part of the renewal package in I believe 223 school year

052when we were able to switch from WA to United Healthcare. The main main focus there was obviously transitioning people's care. Good resource for that. And then ongoing maintenance of navigating the health insurance market as I'm sure all of you know that's difficult for people to do. Um so with that I I would pause and just say that's kind of the recommendation we'd like uh the board to consider tonight. Take any questions. >> Any questions from the board? >> Yeah. >> Just want to just to be clear in case anybody missed it. Um you had mentioned an RFP. So, this was open to other companies to bid on. Ultimately, we were very limited in terms of who even wanted to bid on it, much less competitive bid offers. Correct. >> That's correct. >> Thank you. All

053right. Other questions for Mr. Norris? No. All right. Well, uh, seeing no further questions, I have none either. So, uh, at this time, I would entertain a motion. >> Move to approve. Second. >> Can you expand the motion? >> Let me look it up again. Move to approve item 10.2. >> All right. Um, we have a motion and a second. Are there any questions uh for this? All right. Seeing none, all those in favor. >> Those opposed. All right, that passes. Thank you, Mr. Norris. Thank you for your work on this. Um, all right. So, that will take us to 10.3, our Neiola policy update, and that is presented by Dr. Robinson. >> Yes, sir. So, it's that time of the year where we um have made some adjustments to policies from uh as of

054last May, this past May. So uh twice a year Niola sits down with us and they update policies according to any statutes that may have changed any policies from the federal government or any action that that uh may have uh changed as far as DPI is concerned. So this is the opportunity we update these these things in our policy. We've completed um the policy changes and specifically uh updated 34-2 and revisions to policies 5330, 5830, 7230 and 8452. And these all um are listed on the agenda. These are all little things from this point on. Anytime we have policy revisions, we've been asked to detail the specific policy to make sure it goes in the record officially. So that's why the difference tonight. We're not trying to put more words on paper for you. >>

055All right. Thank you. Uh questions on the Neola policy updates. >> Move to approve 10.3 Neola policy updates. >> Second. >> All right. I have a motion and a second. Is there any further discussion? >> Is it Germaine to the motion? >> Yes. >> All right. What Lee? I just want to say that um Brian and I remember this. This is not how we used to do policies. Uh this is much more efficient and um I'm very happy to see that we're continuing to do this as a board because when we joined we have policies that had been updated for over a decade or more. Um and so it keeps us legally compliant and it keeps us uh in with the times with new state law and things like that. So, I just wanted to

056mention that because the majority of this board has not had to deal with the things that we had to do in the past. So, um very happy to see this motion. Uh and looking forward to supporting it. >> Okay. >> All right. Any other comments? Uh seeing none, uh all those in favor? >> Those opposed? All right. And that will pass as well. >> Uh that will take us to our 10.4 for the 2025 2030 strategic plan destination west. Dr. Robinson, >> thank you. I want to give a special thanks to the board for their attention two weeks ago. Uh I have to tell you I was exhausted after that night, but I think uh the the the questions that that you posed as well as some of the feedback, it was definitely uh it

057was beneficial in a couple of ways. one to let us know that we were heading in the right direction but also um the just the the the general support that we received uh following uh did receive a note from u my mentor Dr. Johnson immediately after my presentation, she said, "Boy, go on. You did good." And so, when she says that, I think we did a good job as a team. So, I just wanted to say that and I know she's going to be giving me some feedback in the morning about my performance tonight. So, I just wanted to let her know that I appreciate her. A couple of things before we move to approve uh I move I asked you guys to approve the uh the strategic plan. couple of things um questions that

058I posed that came up uh from the board meeting that I wanted to bring out to the public that were asked. Uh one first question was will the committees have an additional opportunity to review and align key performance indicators to the plan? That will certainly happen. Um, now that once we finish uh and and get a successful vote tonight, the next month and a half, we're going to ask all of our cabinet members to meet with committees to make sure that we have the right KPIs to go along with our goals. That will happen. Um, the the last question was uh how can we incorporate science and STEM into the plan? So to uh board member Carr's uh question um there are a couple of ways that we we think the the depth and complexity

059which is our our GT framework is one way but the pathways that we're really looking to extend will also align with that work. Uh we we had a very interesting conversation with um DWD is I said I'm saying it right Mr. Poke. So try to get trying to get some some direction on how to improve the offerings that we have for students. Making sure that we have a diverse uh offering, but at the same time making sure that it's robust, not so much on what we want as a district, but what do students need to be successful in the workforce? And so looking at he he advised us to look around yourself and ask yourself in your community who are your employers and what and who and what types of of u skill levels of

060employees are they looking for and that's where you start. So just trying to really look at it from that particular mindset lets us know that we're looking at it in the right direction. We still have a work some work to go but to answer your question STEM and science are going to be heavily involved in the pathways that we create for the district. Okay. Um in in closing, uh just wanted to again thank everybody for their support. This is only the beginning. Um we're actually starting to look at next year right now and trying to uh figure out uh how do we improve and and increase offerings for students. Mr. Becker walked into a conversation just on a Friday night at the football game that I was having with the the Marines recruiters. I am

061really trying to figure out how do we get in every single lane and provide opportunities for every single kid in our district. And so, um, if if that's a future JRTC program, I'm in it for long haul trying to figure out how do we do that? So, that was my question posed for them the other night. That's that's where we are. Um, pending your approval tonight. um when uh our parents, our community members, even when you as board members walk into our buildings, you will see these three signs uh on our walls. One uh talks about our uh mission, vision as well as our beliefs as a district. The other one will have the road map. What we will do is also for each grade level is try to um make bolder bigger the the

062part that that focuses in on that school community. So 4K, 5K, first through third be elementary have that a little bit bigger and and more uh uh visible for students and then our our uh portrait of a graduate as well. So these three things three things will be uh common place throughout our buildings and making sure that everybody understands where we are with our our new strategic plan. So uh at this time I ask for approval of the strategic plan. >> Okay. So with that then are there questions? um about the plan. All right. Uh seeing none at this time, then I would entertain a motion. >> Move to approve 10.4 2025 2030 strategic plan destination west. >> Second. >> All right. Having a motion and a second. Are there any further questions? >> All

063right. All those in favor? >> I. Those opposed that passes. Thank you very much for your work on this. All right. And with that, that'll take us to our workshop 11.1 202425 referendum updates and our workshop. So before we begin, I I want to um give um Bill his his flowers a his shout out. U Bill Smith is doing an outstanding job in leading the efforts of um the construction that we have going on in the projects. I actually uh took an hour out of his time today and we walked through the fieldhouse. When I tell you I was blown away by uh what it looks like now and it's not it's not even halfway done. It it's it looks totally different and and it's going to be uh a benefit to our district um

064just in so many different ways. And so um we have we've managed in just a short period of time to take what I would say a lot of unused space and made it make they're going to they're going to make it really more beneficial to our students. And so I just wanted to give him his shout out. I know he and Carolyn have really worked hard on this presentation, but I wanted to recognize him for the work that he's done in leading this project. Um, I had to kind of get ask a lot of questions like I always do, but a lot of the times I was not understanding some of the the language he was talking today when it comes to construction. I have no background in it, but he did an outstanding job

065of breaking it down. So I appreciate him. I'll turn it over to Carolyn. You're going to start us out or Bill? >> Yeah, I'll jump right in. Start us out. Um, so thank you for that. Uh, it's been a busy busy summer. We hit the ground running right after our last workshop and, uh, I've really enjoyed being part of the district, getting to know our schools, the staff that are in the schools. It's just, it's been really engaging and exciting. So, with that, we'll jump right into our um, presentation. Wanted to start off by sharing a couple projects that we've already completed. Uh, a little bit of lowhanging fruit for us. Um, I'll let you scroll through if you can. >> All right. >> You can just Yeah, go ahead. >> Uh, >> so we'll

066we'll Sorry. Um, we'll start just uh showing some projects we've completed. We'll share what we have currently in process that we're building now. Uh, then we'll look at what phase 2 or 2026 projects are going to look like and then a few additional uh ancillary projects. And then finally we'll sum up with all the communication plans that we're uh have in place as well. So completed projects uh as you know we um had to maybe a quick bit quicker than we thought jump on replacing the uh gym floor at Nathan Hail. So that happened um last fall um technically part of the referendum work but um that is completed as we all know and looks great. So, there's more to come at the gym there. Um, roofing. So, uh, we were able to tackle four

067schools this summer. Um, Horus man, we did about twothirds of that roof that needed to be done. Um, went well. No major hiccups. Uh, looks great. Persing, we just had to do a small section at Persing and we'll talk about that a little bit later, but, um, took care of that. No, no issues there. and central. We um replaced the roofing above the administrative administration offices and then above the if you can picture where the weight room and the wrestling room sections are, we replace that roofing as well. Um and then finally, Nathan Hail. We had a couple large sections we replaced there. Um above the cafeteria and then the southeast corner where you would uh if you can picture where the shop area is and then also above the wait room and that general

068area. So those went well. We have a really good roofing partner in IRSC. Um, we have a very long range plan for the district going out many years when roofing needs to be replaced. Really thoughtful. They're a great partner. Um, we'll begin planning new roofs in October for next summer. So, that went well. Um, as far as budgets go, everything's on track. Uh, a little bit of savings at a couple places. Um, Central is a little under hail. We have to do some more next summer to complete the referendum portion of the roofing. We'll come in at or a little under budget um in total for the the hail roofing. Porest man, we came in a little bit under budget as well, which is nice. And then Persing um the Persian budget, you'll see we

069came in significantly under because we had to do roofing there pre-referendum and those dollars were allocated for the referendum. The work was already completed. So, we only had to do a small portion of Persian. Now, what does that allow us to do? Look at other areas we can um improve at Persian. And the the if you've been there, you know that there is a pretty standout need that everyone highlights when they're there and is that we don't have an elevator. So, we're going to look at using those funds to um add an elevator to Persing. Um, right now we're in the design phase and planning and engineering phase to figure out exactly where, why, and how, but it's looking good that we can use those budget dollars for an elevator there. So, all right. Uh,

070projects in progress. Uh, I think we all know one of the large ones is the, uh, fieldhouse. So, this was our initial scope statement of what we were going to do there, our budget and our timeline. We started in June and we intend to plan uh uh to finish late November, beginning of December. Right now, um everyone's doing an excellent job. We have representatives here from growth and um CG Schmidt, our partners. They've been working uh relentlessly to get this compressed schedule completed when we want. Um, I'm sure you all follow our social media and you see all the updates, the really cool things that the um, communications folks are doing. Um, it's exciting. There's just a lot of work and a lot of activity and a lot of folks um, putting a lot of

071energy into that building. It's going to look amazing when it's done. And just to show you, we have a little time lapse video to look at what it looked like at the beginning and then take us through uh where we're landing. So you can see there we're removing all the floor. We had to um remediate that. That had mercury in it. Um so that was all removed. And then you see the center section there where the concrete came out. That's where the wood section of the floor is going to go. We had to lower that section or new concrete. And now we're going to add the wood flooring system into that that cutout section. Um so just a quick uh video of of what that looks like. It's been pretty exciting. Our current progress. These

072are estimates. Of course, it changes every day, but you can see that the front end work, the demolition, remediation, the concrete, the masonry, and the rough end work for the mechanicals. That's all, you know, getting to the end where that's almost complete. Now, we're going to start doing finishes. So, flooring will start coming in. You'll start seeing drywall. Paint is going in like crazy in the fieldhouse right now. So, good progress. Um, good activity and everyone's working hard towards getting this done on time. >> Uh, do you want us to wait for questions or can we ask as you're going? >> I think, uh, yeah, we could just ask as we go, I think. >> Okay. Board member. Yeah, go ahead. >> Thank you. Uh, so time-lapse videos, we got used to those with the

073work that Shel does with the recreation project. Sure. >> And I think the community loves to see those, too. So, if we could do more of those, I would encourage that. I don't know how much work goes into it. Hopefully not a lot, but um I think it it just because of how much time goes by between, you know, maybe updates, having a video that shows like, oh, here's the floor going in, you know, or here's the bleachers going in, I think is something that the community would enjoy and I think I also would like to enjoy as a board member to see those sorts of things because we can't be there when they're actually happening. >> Sure. >> Um, so that was one one comment, I guess, not a question. The question I have

074is related to working with Pat Conson's foundation for the floor. Um, have we already selected the floor? Like what can you just give a little bit about like since we're getting kind of to the point where that's going in, right? Like that's one of the next things that's going to happen. >> Sure. Sure. So, uh, your first um, comment really good. We actually have a camera mounted in the fieldhouse that's a time-lapse camera for this very purpose. So, what you just saw we can do a lot more of. Um, now there's certain periods where we won't capture everything. Like that camera's got to be covered when we're spraying paint and that type of thing, but generally speaking, for sure. Um, and we'll leave that to Caroline and her team to put that out into the

075world, but we are capturing that. And it is cool to see. You're right. Um, the the Coneton floor, so that is in process. We have the contractor that Conan uses. The designs are in place. the planning is in place now. It's just we need to be ready for them to start, which is frankly in uh less than two weeks. So, it's coming very quickly. >> Yep. >> So, I asked the same question today. The the to to bring a little bit more light into it. The contractor that um Conin uses is the one that we were going to use anyway. So, it works out. So, we don't have to deal with two different people. >> Yeah. >> So, it's it it worked out perfect. They're basically the ones who have kind of like I don't

076want to say use the word monopoly but they're the ones who who are the go-tos for flooring in Wisconsin. So everybody uses this company. >> Are they are they doing the track too then or >> they're doing the entire entire field? Yeah. >> And this is their expertise. You know they do like the Bucks and Marquette and everybody. So >> they are the ones we want. >> They've completed um they did Brown Deer which what other schools? um the school in um in racing, not racing, uh Kenosha, >> uh Indian Trail. >> Yeah, they they've done they've done a lot of the different projects. So, they were we're very comfortable in in their product. So, they they have for sure >> track record. Yep. >> Yep. >> Is the flooring going to be Monamin wood?

077>> Do you know? >> Is it going to be what? I'm sorry. >> Uh the bucks the floor for the bucks is made is from the Monamin tribe. Do we know? Do they do that? I just something perked my ears because I know like that's something that >> No, I think that was probably a special case. >> Yeah, I figured but my ears perked up when I saw heard >> that word that they use for basketball. board member car. >> I'm not sure who can answer this question, but when we originally allocated monies to different schools and then we come under budget, do we keep that extra money then at that school or can we move it or do we move it if there's another project? >> Yeah. So I believe during the last presentation

078that came up and we decided at that particular time that it was remain their projects remain at that school. That's where the board um a lot of heads went that's that's where we want to happen. Yeah. >> Yeah. So that is how we're operating that the savings we realize and we're always trying to realize savings will roll into other needs other projects at the school. For sure. Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay. So we'll keep moving along. Um, speaking of savings, so the here's where we stand on the budget currently at Central. Um, coming in in a good place. Uh, our fees and hard costs. We're keeping uh still a pretty um sizable allowances for changes and things that are happening. Um, unforeseen conditions and uh all said and done, we're coming in in a good place.

079So, oh yes, go ahead. >> So, the variance is that the underbudget amount, >> correct? >> Okay. Uh, that's a significant amount. >> It is. >> So, has there been any thought process into what that amount will be used for? >> Yes, there has. >> Is that in the next slide? Because I apologize if it was. >> No, no, no. I I don't think he's put in officially and we've tossed around a couple of things. I can tell you right now the locker rooms at Central will be a priority as far as that that numbers concerned. Okay, that's going to be one thing. The other um the other things that we're adding sort of into this particular phase is that hallway uh that leads into the the fieldhouse. That hallway has been gutted out and

080been has been redone as well. It's doing right now. And also that front entrance of central is going to be transformed as well. So we'll have from a safety standpoint and access that's very similar what I would say to FLW where when they walk in the kids have to go to the left to the attendants to check in. It's going to be something very similar to that instead of sort of going in and then somebody buzzing you then going to the right and then going to another door. Like it's just too many going going to doors without people seeing. So that's been another upgrade. Um, but we're still looking for there's still money left that we have to try to figure out what what's needed. That does that answer your question? >> Yeah, because it's

081it's what 10% or something like. So, it's just something that I just want >> the same the same consideration for Nathan Hill. >> Yeah. >> Um, with with the the monies that we saved from the uh what we call the zero construction because it was before day one. >> Um, we we saved money by using that that money u out of our 46. So, um, we are trying to figure out what could happen, but locker rooms at Nathan Hill wouldn't also be a consideration along with, you know, training rooms. Just trying to figure out like what do we do? >> Yeah. Okay, great. Thank you. >> Yep. >> Okay. So, um, another that that and central I don't know if there were any more central related questions, but that's kind of where we stand on

082that project. Um, we also have an active project at DOTKY. If you remember, the gym there had a a steam issue, a steam leak issue that we want to address more emergently. So, that really rose to the top as far as projects we needed to tackle right away. So, we've been we worked through this summer, the design, engineering, what we actually needed to do to terminate that steam system that was causing damage and then add rooftop units to the gym that will provide heat and cooling to that part of the building. So that that was a a intense process. We've had a number of site visits with engineers and architects and folks to figure that all out. We've gotten to the point where we have it all engineered and designed. Um we've had it bid

083out. We've awarded the contractors. We had to go in um the the reality in many of our schools is that we have things we need to remediate. So in this case, we had a ceiling tile. The adhesive that keeps the ceiling tile up on the ceiling did have uh asbestous in it. So we had to go in and take that ceiling out, the the adhesive out as well. Um so right now we're sort of going through the design process of what that new ceiling is going to look like before we complete the rest of the work. And this is a little bit of a test case because we have a number of other ceilings in the district that we're going to work on. So, we're trying to find the right system that then can be

084rolled out to other schools as we go. Um, so that's Doci. Um, that's in process. You can see here where we've got uh the ceiling removed now. Um, got equipment that's going to have some lead times. Uh, HVAC equipment has some significant lead times. We're looking at doing this installation in the spring of next year, um, depending on when equipment arrives. So, uh, West Milwaukee also, um, uh, we activated and we're working on through this summer as far as the design and engineering and architecture work. Um, this is three boilers and a chiller, generally plugandplay, meaning we just take what's there, remove it, put on new, similar. Nothing crazy as far as design goes. Um, we do have to add some additional power. you know, new equipment has different power needs than old equipment, right?

085Um, but the lead times on these are pretty significant. So, that chiller lead time is is is pretty long. So, we will be doing this work in the spring as well. Uh, again, this project um contractors are selected, equipment selected. It's more of a waiting game now until we get what we need in and then we're going to replace it. So that's what you see on the um on the left is the chiller that sits on the roof that provides cooling to the building. The blue items on the right, those are the boilers that provides the heat to the building. So those again will be replaced in the spring. So those are active projects that we've pretty moved through the process of design, bidding, awarding, and now we're ready to go with construction. Any questions

086on those? We'll jump into what we're planning for next year. Yes, sir. >> So, in general, um, do we know if we've had any increase in costs because of tariffs? >> I'm going to defer to my folks from CG. I think they'd have a better handle on how we're what we're experiencing. Maybe just speak generally what you guys are experiencing related to um costs and tariffs. >> Yeah, good afternoon. This is uh Mike Dietrich with CG Schmidt uh project executive. Um tariffs are kind of a hit and miss. I I would say that generally over over the year we haven't seen a big tick increase due to tariffs. I know that at the beginning of the projects a lot of them were really scared and were fluctuating costs pretty quickly and then a lot of

087that stuff's coming back down. So we're not seeing a big deviation from any of the budgets that we had put together. So it's good news. >> What in the market in general? Are you seeing certain items that are getting >> um affected by tariffs? >> It's cyclical. I I I don't think it's really tariff generated. Um it's more of a function of um building usage. Like lumber is a a lot and and steel starts increasing when a lot of the projects are out there. But again, that's it's something that happens year-over-year. It's more inflation generated than I would say tariff generated. >> Okay. Well, that's good to hear. I think it'd be good to kind of just make note of it. We were talking about lead times on things. And I don't know where all

088these things are manufactured, if some of them are being manufactured overseas or or certain components being manufactured overseas. I could see how tariffs might play a role in what the final product actually costs us and was obviously an unknown when we put these budgets together. So, as we go through these projects, I it'd be appreciated if if we are noticing any changes, if um you could I guess keep track of it, I guess, and let us know and keep us appreciate. >> Yeah. If we encounter a certain item that, you know, rises to that level, we'll definitely bring it to your bleachers all of a sudden or you know. >> Yeah. Right. Made in Germany. >> 50,000 more or something. I don't know where they come from. I don't the stuff comes from I just

089thought I'd ask. >> Sure. So before we move on, just to expand on that um with the tariffs and cost, but uh well it may not be doing anything with the cost. Have you noticed any of the time lag due to the tariffs or are they expanding timelines because they're there and the fear or whatever else is going on with that? >> I would say lead lead times of materials are also fluctuating. It's I mean you used to look at bringing in new electrical gear. It used to be almost 52 weeks. Now it's down to maybe like 40. And it all depends on what kind of equipment you're looking at. Um, but I would say that over the years it's pretty consistent. And you know, sometimes I have a project right now was lockers became

090a big thing. They were coming from Canada or they were delayed a couple months. Um, so there's certain things that do get impacted, but that was more of a function of everybody got scared and then decided to say like, I'm buying my lockers now. And that was more of, you know, so many jumping to the market and buying the lockers ahead of when they really wanted them just because they were scared that tariffs were going to create this big dollar event. >> So, we're paying pretty close attention. our pre-construction uh group at the office, they they really do look at that um you know, almost on a monthly bionthonly basis and see where the markets are going and give heads up to the rest of managers and everything to say here's here's where we're trending.

091Look out for this. Maybe you want to follow up with your owners and and check on some of those things. >> Sure. So, >> no. And I guess just the the concern is if they lead out longer then those costs could because of the cyclical and because of the inflation get bigger as it goes out there. But I appreciate and thank you. >> Any other questions before we move forward? >> Okay. So um we're already uh deep into planning for what work we're going to do in 2026. And most generally when I say the next year we're talking really summer, right? because we need to let schools get out so that we can get into the buildings and do, you know, heavy construction. So, we're planning for the summer of next year right now. Um,

092this is a little checklist we provided to you last time of how we decide how to prioritize what's what. Uh, I think we added just one bullet point at the end um where we say we're focusing on completing all projects within a single school at once. So, it's a more efficient use of our resources. is it minimizes construction mobilization costs and it reduces repeated disruptions. So the you know one thing we can't avoid is this is very disruptive to our schools, right? What we're doing at Central right now is disruptive to the school. So we want to when we go into a school we want to do as much of it as we can when we're there so we don't have to go back and and create that disruption over and over again. Right. So

093um yeah and again just another uh slide we've shared before but you know there's a lot of steps that go into each um project coming together to the point where we can build. This is just kind of a general listing of what we are doing to get to the point where we can do that. Um yeah so uh this is what we just talked about a little bit ago but what we formalized you know from our last meeting with you and just uh speaking to um Dr. Robinson is that the funds at each school are going to stay locked at that school. We're going to find some savings. You know, we've been fortunate so far on the projects we've done that we're finding savings and we're going to keep those funds at that school and

094find worthy uses for it. You know, whether it's adjacent to what we're already doing or there's an emergent need that really needs to be taken care of, we'll be really thoughtful about that. But we're going to keep those funds with the school that it's at. All right. So, our first project um for next year is going to be Irving Elementary. Um this is what a case of emergent need. Um we've got some challenges there that we need to take care of and it really rose up the list as we were evaluating them. Um we have, you know, um a a pretty large population of of students with special needs and we really want to get some some better conditioned air in those spaces. We really need some cooling and Iving. Um, and so that brought

095it up the list as well as um, we need a ramp outside to get between the two levels of the school. Um, and they've got some challenges with bathrooms and other things and it it just really emerged as one of the ones that we really needed to address next. Um, so you can see there the items we're going to work on the bathrooms. There's a little bit of structural work. We're going to do an exterior ramp. Um, we're going to replace a boiler a couple boilers and provide AC and do some roofing. The big the big one here is providing AC in this building. Uh, it's going to be challenging, but we're working through it right now. Engineering and architects are our folks here are working through this to figure out how exactly we're going

096to cool this building. But, um, uh, it's a process. So, we'll be working through the fall to figure out exactly what that's going to look like. We just had a meeting the other day and we anticipate uh in the next twoish weeks we'll have some solutions from engineering >> team >> that we can kick around and evaluate and explore further. So Irving is going to be our first goal. Um also next year we're going to tackle persing. Um, we talked a little bit about this where we've already realized some savings cuz roofing had gotten completed pre-referendum and we don't need to use all of that funds there. The really emergent need we've realized there from the school staff, our staff, um, is that they don't have an elevator and they could really use one. And

097there's a number of stories that have emerged from that of why we would need one, but it's pretty obvious, right? Um, so we've identified a location. We're working through the engineering of it all, how to place it there, and then we'll put once we have an idea of how we would do it, we're going to put some cost to it, make sure we can do it within this savings that we've realized um and accomplish that for them. We're also going to do some bathrooms. We're going to replace and redo all of the bathrooms there, reimagining these bathrooms again so that they are more modern, but also more compliant. Right? We need to make them more accessible. A lot of our schools have very aged bathrooms that just have really tight quarters. They don't maneuver and

098operate the way we would like them to for our ADA folks. Um, so some of these spaces we're going to have to grow and we're going to have to move into other areas around them, but we're working through that right now what those design and plans look like. Um, uh, we're going to replace a chiller there, an RTU there. Those are pretty much swap out type of things. Um and again this will uh happen this summer coming summer. Yes. >> Total curiosity question. >> Yes. >> When you um work on the elevator, does anybody else bid besides Otis? Isn't Otis like the biggest? Like I've never seen another Do they have the Monopoly or? >> Uh they're not a monopoly. >> Okay. So what do you think? I mean, we're going to get more than

099>> we have uh Coney is in our district. Uh they service our elevators. >> Otis, what's a couple other ones? >> Schindler. Yeah, there's there's a number >> we'll have >> there's four or five. >> I think we'll have a robust bidding process. I don't think it'll just be one who just wins by default. [Laughter] >> I can't say it won't be, but Great. >> Okay. So, then uh next, Franklidd, right? Um one of our middle schools or intermediate schools. Um uh robust needs there. Uh we're going to uh remodel all of the bathrooms. We've got some concrete work to the east of the building. If you've been there recently, you know that's pretty challenged right now. We're actually we we've had the civil engineering complete. We're just waiting for some plans and drawings. It's

100possible we may even accomplish that this fall. So, we're trying. We're going to try to get there and get that taken care of for them because it is pretty challenged over there. Um, we have a decent amount of pool work we want to accomplish. We had a consultant complete their work. We're meeting with them tomorrow to review their recommendations, plan a scope, and then put some dollars to that scope um to see what we can accomplish at Franklid Wright and our other pools. Uh speaking of elevators, we have a really challenged elevator here that we need to um do some serious work on um as well. And then we're we have again some HVAC um work, meaning boilers and um they have an interesting cooling mechanism here, but we're going to work on the cooling

101and the boilers as well. And then finally, we have sort of a one-off project. I don't know if we have this anywhere else, but we're going to do some flooring on the second level there. So, and then finally, Nathan Hail. Um, Nathan Hail has a a pretty uh sizable mix of projects we're going to do there as well. Again, like I said, we're working on the pools with our consultant. Um, we're going to replace the ox auxiliary gym flooring. We're also going to give that a refresh, right? That needs some paint. That needs some >> just some TLC. So, there's going to be some TLC there in the auxiliary gym. The teched air system is uh not cold compliant, not not as functional as we'd like. That's going to be completely replaced. Uh not to

102get into too far into the weeds, but the mechanism that's inside the building now will be moved outside the building. It'll be reworked. Um and that plan is underway as well. Bathrooms, again, we're going to be doing pretty pretty sizable amount of bathrooms there. Um, we want to get cooling into the main gym, the auxiliary gym, and the the kind of the core area around the weight room and all the associated lockers and halls. Um, so we're going to work on adapting our current systems, which we think we can, to get cooling in those areas, which we don't have, and we all know that isn't the most fun when we're doing graduations and things. So, uh, that'll be wonderful when we get that taken care of. Uh, main gym, we have some funds there that

103didn't get used on the floor because that came out of our fund 46. So, we're going to see how we can most um effectively use those dollars. Uh, there's a lot of thought and um ideas out there that we're still working through. I know that ceiling is challenged. There's a few other things we want to accomplish. So, more to come on that. We we're not quite there yet in that planning stage. And then the roofing, we're about uh twothirds done. The roofing section we need to do is above the auxiliary gym, and that's what we'll coordinate with the work we're going to do anyways with the rooftop units and cooling um to get that all taken care of as well. So, that is four schools we're going to tackle next summer. It's a lot of

104activity and a lot of um a lot of good stuff. There's a few additional items that are districtwide um buckets of funds that we're looking at how we're going to use those. Um I've already talked about how we're going to be working on the pools. Um hail, uh Franklid, right, and central for sure will all happen. West Milwaukee is a little bit more challenging as we know. Um so that there's more to come on that. We we've got a little bit more work to do to figure out exactly what we're going to do there, but we're going to tackle the three pools for sure. We have um our PA systems, you know how you do announcements and such in the schools. We have a bucket of funds for that. We're going to do some upgrades

105there basically to the backbone of that. The equipment, you know, um maybe some speakers will get added in some schools as needed. It's a generally good system. It just needs upgrades. I do I got the pricing in on that just a couple days ago at first blush. It looks like we're going to do really well to budget and so we may be able to grow what we can do with that. Um similarly, yes sir. >> As part of that, are you going to make sure like all the speakers work >> in the hallways and stuff, right? Because there's definitely some they don't they got to open the door, sit out in the hall and try to hear it. So Yep. Uh excellent. Good. >> Yep. For sure. So that's definitely part of it. Yep. um

106case by case basis at the schools. Yeah. >> So um similarly cameras, you know, we're upgrading any analog cameras to digital um as we work through that budget. That's probably going to be come in pretty close to on budget. We're not going to have a an excess of funds there likely. Um, but we're going to be able to get done what we need to get done, which is get those old cameras out, get new, and uh, get better visual on what what's going on in our schools. Um, fire alarm panels. Um, nothing fancy there, just work that needs to be done. And then finally, elevators. Um, we do have a couple challenged elevators that we need to address and hopefully we're adding a new one. So, that is where we're at on projects. [Laughter] Go

107ahead, Randley. >> Sorry, I'm excited about this stuff because this is good stuff. This is fun stuff. This is We don't, you know, often times we don't get good and fun stuff. So, um, the bathrooms, you know, I I read your updates, you know, it seems like a much more involved process than I thought to come to a universal kind of design for the bathrooms that we're doing because we're doing bathrooms in every school, right? >> Sure. So, where are we in that design? Have we settled on our finishes? Have we've gotten these things figured out so that when you go from one bathroom to the next, from school to school, we've kind of got it figured out or are we still working on that? >> No, I think we're pretty well there. So, central's

108going to be the first case or test case, right? Um, but you know, the things that we're really working on trying to standardize are the fixtures that go in, >> you know, the lighting, um, >> you know, some of the less fun things, the partitions, >> the flooring, how we're going to handle that. Um, so I think we have a pretty good design that's going to be um, >> it's going to meet the challenges of our school. So, be durable um, but nice. you know, we have some paint colors that we want to carry through, >> you know, and it's generally going to be pretty neutral, right? Not exactly school specific, but um >> they're going to be I won't say completely, but generally um pretty neutral >> in in but the big one is

109that we're going to have uniformity in fixtures. So, our maintenance staff right now, you've all been in our schools, every single bathroom, you could have eight bathrooms in a school and eight different devices in there, right? And it's a huge challenge for our maintenance staff, whether it's our plumbers, electricians, or carpenters. Huge problem. >> Um, as we roll through the schools and we upgrade these bathrooms, they're going to have uniformity. So, these guys will be able to know, oh, I I have a faucet to fix. I know what faucet it is, right? Um >> it's it's going to make a huge difference for our ability to be efficient, do work quicker, better, and frankly, right now, I mean, our guys are finding things on eBay to keep some of these these bathrooms up and running.

110Um it >> so yeah, I don't for sure we're working through trying to have a really thoughtful uniform design. um how we address flooring when we go into schools that's going to be durable. We have a test case where we did some bathrooms last year in Nathan Hail and how we did those bathroom floors is what we want to carry forward in our new design because the custodians have really loved it. Um >> they're durable, they're easy to clean, they can't really be damaged very well, so that's been a good test case for us. Yeah. >> Great. And and one other kind of tangential question to that. You mentioned that I don't know if that was the original plan that we're doing all the bathrooms in Persian or redoing all the bathrooms in Persian. Is

111that correct? >> We will do all the bathrooms. Yeah. >> So, is there any other schools? Cuz I know originally it was like we were doing, >> you know, five here, six there, you know, based on what the budget was for. Do we know with the other four buildings that we have slated that are we are any other buildings getting all the bathrooms redone? >> We're working through them right now. So, right now, um, Nathan's completed some designs for us in those schools. Literally, we just in the past week have been going through the the designs, how we're going to grow them if they had to grow or how we're going to use the space if we can to make them ADA compliant. >> Y >> um, and so the amount of work we have

112to do, right, will allow us to do more or not do more. Mhm. >> So if the ones we have to do a ton of work to, we may not be able to roll into all of them. >> But our goal at every school is to do all of them. >> That's our that's our our goal at this point. >> Okay. >> We may not achieve that in full, but we're definitely striving for that. And now, one way we're going to accomplish that is we may not have to do a gut remodel of every bathroom. Not every bathroom needs that, >> but we can do what we're calling a refresh. And we can achieve the same standards of upgrade without having to tear down masonry walls and the things that really cost us a lot

113of money. Redo the plumbing behind walls, electrical behind walls, the things that really add up cost quickly. If we can do refreshes, we're going to do refreshes and that allows us to maybe do a few more bathrooms, too. So, >> so far so good on that as far as what what we're thinking and the schools that we're touching so far. Um, more to come. >> And I think the bathrooms besides maybe the fieldhouse and a few other things are probably one of the most people have the most interest in um is the bathrooms and the horror stories you hear from >> for good reason. You know, they just they they've needed attention and and now we're going to >> Yeah. >> Our goal is to get as many. >> I I would agree. I think

114when I first arrived the first two months, all I heard were was about the the bathrooms at the the the whack at the field, right? And so, uh, I haven't heard a peep about that, so it must be going okay over there. They look actually look very nice. Just wanted to comment on the central, uh, bathrooms. When I was there today, I noticed that they were gutted, but you could tell that they they had to deal with sort of like an extension to make it bigger. >> Sure. >> Because of the size of it. So that the uh rest the restrooms that are near the front entrance of Central right by the pool, you'll notice a big difference in how those will turn out because of the space uh that's concerned with that. >> Those

115are a full remodel. Um >> and frankly, we're going to use what that those costs come in to help us guide us on what a full remodel with expansion is going to cost. Um, so these fellas here, our brains behind that will will help us crunch those numbers in a way that will let us know, okay, do we have enough budget at XYZ school to do that? But yeah, there's a perfect case where to do the remodel we wanted to do, we needed to make it fully ADA compliant. It just it wasn't with the footprint it it was at the entrances didn't work right. We didn't have the clearances we needed. So that required a lot of masonry walls coming down and a lot of more work than maybe you'd like to do, but it

116needed it. So you're going to see when you go they're going to be bigger and fully fully remodeled. Y >> I'm excited to see >> Yeah, me too. >> All right, other questions from the board. >> No, I guess I am a little bit curious. I know you were saying that there's a lot more challenges about that pool, but I keep on hearing about that pool at West Milwaukee. Can can you just give a little bit more >> sure >> detail on the challenges? >> So, um we're meeting tomorrow with our pool consultant who did a um thorough thorough review of our pools, meaning I was with them and we crawled under around anywhere you can go to examine these pools and we ended up dirty and sweaty doing it. Um, but they gave us

117a very thorough report on all of our pools in the district. The West Milwaukee pool because of the age of that, when it was built and how it was built, A, it has some challenges with its ability to function as is. It's deteriorating, right? B, if we try to make improvements or upgrades to that, then we have to make it code compliant for current code, which it isn't even close to. Is that a fair way of saying it? Um, we have I don't know if you've been down there or if you remember, but it's got some large pillars in it like literally up against the pool and um that is a non-starter right there. You just that can't be um that isn't code compliant. Go ahead, Nathan. Yeah, I would to add to that and

118appreciate the question. Um, and it's one of the key reasons, Bill, why you mentioned why out of the four existing pools we're focusing on, three in terms of active design, knowing some discussion still needs to happen at at West Milwaukee. >> Sure. >> Uh, and the large piece is that deck clearance. So, the area of the floor outside of the pool, the required clear area by building code, pool specific building code does not exist at West Milwaukee. Now, and in order to achieve that, you'd be jacking the building up, right, to provide new structure. You have to set it back down somehow, you know? >> So, um, >> yeah, >> we understand that that is not a consideration, right? It wasn't planned for or even desired for, right, when the project scope was being identified.

119So, that's where we're engaged with more, is there a way that we can adjust the pool to make it functional, even if it functions differently than it does now? Maybe. Yes, maybe no. Is there a way to reinvision that space to be something completely different that isn't a pool? Um things that we're thinking about as well, but no um more detailed design effort that has occurred there. A lot more discussion before we know what next steps are possible and what options might be possible as well at West Milwaukee. >> Sure. Yeah. our our consultant, I think their bottom line is that it they do not recommend we attempt to bring it up to code. Um, it's a super cool room. I wish there was a way we could find to to bring it back. I

120just don't know if we're going to get there. More to come. We're working on it. >> Okay. Other questions? >> No. >> All right. Uh, so to kind of echo what Dr. Robinson um shared at the beginning of this presentation, Bill has done a fantastic job thus far and as a comms team, we've had a lot of fun being able to highlight and promote the great work that's been going on. So, our plan is really to stay the course with what we've been doing. Um so, when we look at our quarterly communications, we completed our kickoff video back in June, which was very successful um on social media. And then in August of 2025, we had our feature in the annual report which you can see a screenshot there up on the screen. So coming

121up in November, we will have another feature video um that we are currently planning which um we hope will exceed the June video. And then in March of 2026, we will have a referendum specific mailer. and that mailer will go out to the whole community um to let everyone know where we are at with our projects and what we are forecasting for phase two of the projects. And as far as our monthly communications, we have completed our articles in our monthly newsletter for May through September as well as the one pages that live on our website. The the one pages are updated at the beginning of each month. So, we've gotten that question a few times. um a project is done, the one pager isn't updated, it's coming. It's at the beginning of the month.

122And then really, as far as what's upcoming, stay in the course with both the monthly articles as well as the updated one pagers. And then last, but certainly not least, we have our weekly and just kind of ongoing communications. So, we started the feature Friday social media campaign back in June, and we will continue to do that. The screenshot here is an example. I know you can't really read it. Um, but it's an example of a way we've kind of had fun engaging with our followers is we posed the question of what do you think's being installed at the West Al Central Fieldhouse. We got a lot of like >> what was being installed? I didn't see the answer. >> I'm going to pass the mic back to Bill to answer that question. We got

123a lot of uh like skylights or something with ventilation, but ultimately it was a >> Well, we call them roof curbs, right? So they're the the mechanism that sits on the roof and then those giant RTUs that heat and cool the building sit on top of them. So they're kind of like the base for it. >> But you look at it and it looks like a skylight. It looks You don't know, right? >> If you don't know, you don't know. But that's Yeah, it's it's less fun than that. It's just a little base that sits up there. They're huge. They're really huge. >> So we had Right. Let's do it. Let's go for some skylight. >> Yeah, sky looks in the field house. Uh, so we had 41 comments on that which is high when

124we look at comments. We typically don't get that many comments. So, um, as far as and then our website as well, just making sure to continue to update that with one pagers, workshops, um, anything and everything referendum related. Any questions? >> Questions? Go ahead. comment. I like it. Um, keep it up. And anytime we have money savings that we're using for something else, we need to shout that from the rooftops. All right? Because everyone, not everyone, >> four people who are really loud would expect us to come and overbudget and not do what we say we were going to do. All right? So, we want to make sure that we have lots of evidence showing that that not only did we did what we said we were going to do, we did more than we

125said we were going to do because we already have evidence that happening. And so if you can work that into the communications that you put out there and inject it every time that we can um when those when that instance is happening, I think that's only going to help um show the community that yes, you gave us trust. Yes, you gave us your dollars and we're using them not only as we said, but more so and done even more. We made we stretched them more than we thought we even thought we could. So that's with the good budgeting that we were able to do with the help with all of our partners here and the ability to stay on top of it with help with you Bill to ensure that we're getting them uh the

126contractors in the bids in and they're doing the work they need to do in the timelines we need to do them. So, thank you for that work both you and both K Carolyn and your team and everyone from growth design and uh CG Schmidt to ensure that these projects can be completed on time so we can show them to community and our students and staff in our district can utilize them sooner rather than later because that's the whole point. >> Sure. >> Absolutely. >> Thank you. >> Any other questions or comments from the board? Oh, sure. Go ahead, doc. Uh, nobody else is raising their hand. Go ahead. >> Just wanted to invite the board um out on October 6th or 7th uh at 12:00, right? H 6 11:00. Okay. 7th is noon. So, we

127have two offerings. We want you to come and tour the fieldhouse and the construction. uh that I think it'll give you a little bit more perspective and I think it um you know they give you the context that you need to communicate to anybody in the in the community. So the 6th and 7th 11:00 and 12 are the two options. Okay. And she's going to send an invite tomorrow. >> All right. Yeah. Sorry about that. >> That was the main thing I needed to say. Okay. >> Yeah. >> That's all I need. >> All right. Other questions or comments from the board? I guess I have one just question, but it's not this because I think you guys have done a fantastic job, but when might we hear more of further updates for what's been

128going on? What's going When could we when will we see you back to see some of this work? >> Sure. Um, >> I would say December would be a good time uh as we look towards um where we are and summing up uh this phase. I think we can start to peek ahead. I think December is fine. >> Yeah, I think we'll have um I know we'll have a lot of our designs and drawings complete. We'll be up out to bid on a lot of things for the next year. So, we can probably talk a little bit more detail about some of the, you know, what the bathrooms will look like or um that type of thing in December for sure. Feel good about that, guys. >> January, if the goal is more of a

129design update or if it's a bidding like pre-construction update, we can have that dialogue and uh sort out which one is most appropriate. >> Sure. >> Yeah. Okay. >> I appreciate that. Thank you. This has probably been discussed before, but with the the fieldhouse being such a a big part of what we're doing, have we talked about like a grand opening event or something when that is complete? >> Yes, we have. Um, and and and Bill Bill didn't mention this to you and the guys didn't mention it either. I've been on them because there is a basketball game that is a huge event uh the Wednesday before Thanksgiving and um I've been assured that we're on schedule for that to happen. There there are there are some other dominoes that that have to fall, no

130doubt about it. um mainly um occupancy where we we will be given that that opportunity but that what we're planning is that will be the the the premier event the first event for that uh fieldhouse. So that's keeping fingers crossed and everything else cross. So we're trying. >> Yeah. >> And I think we've had a little bit of discussion about uh communications staff >> having some type of event. Um yeah, so people can come and enjoy it and see it. >> Yeah. To add to that, just wanted to also we're really thinking about the alumni for from not only Central but anybody who wants to come ahead of time, we may do that as well. I think it's a good a good offering to let them be a part of this. U so we we're

131thinking of some things. I main thing is trying to make sure that we stay on schedule. uh quite honestly is um you know uh I told him I'll be back in two weeks. So but that I say that jokingly, but I really am coming back in two weeks uh on the sixth or seventh. >> So u just to just to really see the progress because >> if when you go in there you're going to be amazed at what they've done in such a short period of time. I was blown away today at the progress. So >> purposely stayed away. >> I have too. I couldn't I couldn't do it anymore though. >> Well, I spent a lot of time with my son up there. So, I was kind of just session. So, I know what

132that looked like in and out. So, I just I kind of want to wait till it's done or I probably go to six or seven. I'll give it. But, um, you know, I'm really excited to see the product looks like. So, I try to look in there every time. [Laughter] >> All right. Any other questions or comments? No. All right, then. Thank you so much. Appreciate all of your work. >> All right, and that will bring us to the end of our major portion and then we will uh convene into executive session pursuant to Wisconsin statute 19.85 85 parent 1 parent F for the purpose of considering a student disciplinary expulsion order which if discussed in public would be likely to have a substantial effect upon the reputation of the student involved. Would entertain a

133motion to enter executive session. >> Move to move into executive session. >> Second. >> We have a motion and a second. Um is there any further discussion? All those in favor? Hi. Hi. Go. Yes. Is it roll call? Yeah, that's right. Apologies. Sorry, Sarah. That is a roll call vote for you. >> Thank you. >> Would you? Yeah. Apologies. >> No apologies necessary. Mr. Becker, >> yes. >> Mr. Keller, >> yes. >> Miss Carr, >> yes. >> Mr. Berbos, >> yes. >> Mr. Lee, >> yes. >> Miss Kaiser, >> yes. >> Miss Steel, >> yes. >> Miss Lee, >> yes. President Burns, >> yes. >> All right. So then at this time uh we will take a short recess if there are no objections for about 5 minutes while the boardroom is set up for

134close session. Hearing no objections, we will recess for five