001then we've got some special guests and be conscious of time we'll call the meeting to order uh Heather can you help us with the role and just a reminder to folks please let us know where you are at which which means municipality all right Jennifer Cornell here in Ann Arbor all right Alan Haber oh he was here are we missing him now he is yeah he's not been he's not come on screen at least I'm sorry yeah um he was here earlier so I'll just keep my eye out for him to pop back in uh Sarah Hammerschmidt not here Jeffrey Henney here in Ann Arbor and then Camilla is the next person on the list and if you don't know she moved out of state so she's no longer part of the commission so we'll
002be looking for oh there's Sarah um somebody to fill that position eventually yeah and I think she's technically resigned so I think she could be pulled off the rule yeah correct yeah she's sending a letter of resignation all right um Rita Mitchell here in Ann Arbor all right Alice Ralph you're in Ann Arbor Frank Wilhelm uh here in Ann Arbor Adam Zemke here in Ann Arbor councilmember Briggs here in Ann Arbor and council member dish here in Ann Arbor all right and did we pick up Sarah because we did yes sir I'm here in Ann Arbor okay and I didn't hear my name but oh I'm so sorry Stephen all right excellent um with that then thank you heather we'll go to uh approval of the agenda uh Heather sent out a link to the
003legislar um uh calendar earlier so if there are any questions or amendments to the agenda please speak up otherwise if we could get a motion to approve that would be wonderful all right one second all right uh moved by Jen second by Alice thank you uh all in favor say aye he posed all right excellent um approval of the minutes from the October 6th meeting also linked in that agenda um give folks just a minute if there's any questions [Music] that would be the approval of the Amendments all right thank you Stephen uh could we have a second second second by Frank uh all in favor say aye aye aye any opposed excellent motion carries uh we are into public comment there we have any members of the public we do have members of the
004public here um nobody with a raised hand there we go Robert black um let me see there you go you should be able to talk now can you hear me Heather I sure can okay thank you Mr Robert black again hello everybody nice to see you I'm just happy to be watching these wonderful meetings you've been making great progress I just have a couple comments for your deliberation this evening uh from your March 6th meeting was very successful I thought there were some wonderful collaborations and very respectful Communications among the group a couple of takeaways that were important were um to reiterate something that Caitlyn Olmsted Phillips had presented also that you get clear about the mission and vision for this project so that you can begin to reach out in a kind of a
005marketing and branding process both with the logo and involvement of the community so that you can build a kind of a coalition of support in a greater Circle surround this thing um to that end I would encourage you to continue to work with um council member dish and council member Briggs to uh communicate your reports to city council so that they can be apprised of what's going on as regularly as possible even to invite them into helping shaping the mission and vision of this thing as a city-wide process also I'd encourage you to think about the key players as you work towards the drafting of the RFP um and as I mentioned many many times alignment is critical here and also the foundational document that you create that will be used as a design document
006or studies document needs to be as kind of specific as possible I know um Alice knows much more about this too to describe it as what we call architectural programming but to the extent that you can involve the key players in the creation of the RFP the Downtown Development Authority have Jeff Watson involved at the table because they're a key player to have the parks department which you already have Mr borgsdorf there involved as a representative from Liberty Plaza including first Martin Corporation which is a critical player in this process since they own not only the the spark building but the noble house and the carriage house behind it which will be critical aspects to any design development of the of the properties and then certainly to the EXT extent you can involve and coordinate
007the efforts of the groundwork that's been done with the initiating committee's green team that would be helpful and other people like Jessica black and others who've been working on things with the parks uh with Liberty Plaza would also be part of the groundwork to the RFP and then lastly I just want to do a great shout out to the green team this year you will be receiving a report I think Mr Crockett is probably around that the green team has really represented the spirit of this whole project there's a sense of volunteerism um excited um involvement of people from a diverse spectrum of the city that has created some very interesting things in terms of Education even drawing in the Wild Ones Dr Gracie Bob Gracie that I've known for a long time add some
008some cloud and some cachet to this thing that would be really compelling to the to the larger members of the city as you move forward so I wish you good luck in your deliberations tonight and please keep expanding Circle here and thanks for your good work and your commitment to this project thank you thanks Robert Heather do we have any other members of the public who'd like to speak you are muted actually as well thank you sorry uh nobody with a hand up currently okay excellent thank you very much so we'll close out uh the first public comment uh and turn it over to Josh and um his team from the parks department so uh Josh really appreciate you being here as well as Jessica um so uh whomever would like to start let us
009know and we can open it up to share too yeah I will stay say to say the introduction and then I turn it over to Jessica she's done the legwork with this but for those who I have met I'm Josh landefeld I'm the relatively new parks manager um since May um happy to be here happy to present what we've done with Liberty Plaza um look forward to to sharing that information and continuing to work um together as we move forward um with the space and share the ideas that we have so with that I will turn it over to Jessica hi everyone um Heather just briefly do you have the presentation I sent over I did not see a presentation come through today okay so but if you want to send it oh shoot actually
010I'm having a lot of technical difficulties with my computer okay but I can give you permission to share if that works that would probably be just fine um okay let me quickly pull it up had to call Josh earlier because I actually haven't had to present on Zoom yep for whatever reason and so I was like oh my goodness what do I have to do oh A Whole New World and unfortunately I got soccer duty tonight so I am sitting in Livonia and I couldn't help that way so fortunately technology works really well and um we can make this work for it so yeah interrupt for a moment and just add to Josh's introduction of himself I don't I assume everybody knows him but if not it's not like he just bumped off the turnip
011truck in Ann Arbor whatever you said several months ago um he's a he's a local guy uh Ann Arbor Public Schools product um and is you know dedicated to the community uh in a way that I thought his introduction did not uh reveal so uh I thought I would just share a few of those little tidbits I'm not going to tell stories on you from you know here on River Rat days or anything Josh but I I appreciate that I tend to be a little humble but yes I grew up in Ann Arbor went away to Michigan State for for lots of good reasons came back about seven years ago to the city of Ann Arbor um parks and it was fortunate enough to get to the manager position when Colin Smith retired so I'm
012excited about the opportunity and and excited to to have an impact on the community and look forward to it so yeah we had a lot of great candidates uh for that role when when Colin did retire and uh we were super excited to be able to get Josh for the position so well she's a Spartan I mean like I think that's wonderful I'm a Spartan too by the way go green go white green green and Parks you know let's not take this too far yeah you open it up Steve you did open it up okay so I do have my um the presentation up and you just want me to share my screen correct yeah if you don't mind doing that I'm sorry I'm not even on my work computer because I was having issues
013uh getting into it no problem appreciate that you can do that um I'm also going to start recording this this meeting is being aired by CTN so it's being recorded anyway but I like to do a backup so I'm gonna do the zoom backup now and start that recording in progress all right there we go okay does it is the showing where so everyone can see it yeah okay very good all right well good evening everyone um as Jeff said my name is Jessica black um I am a supervisor with the city of Ann Arbor I'm a lifelong resident I'm actually a Pioneer graduate not a river rat I went to Eastern Michigan and um started my career at the city 20 years ago as a temporary employee um I'm actually in my office at
014Cobblestone farm right now so this is where I started um I went to the farmers market in 2004 and I was the market manager uh from July of 04 until October about seven at which point the position I'm in now was created um and I've been here ever since what I am responsible for all events in Parks all rentals and Parks Cobblestone farm and the customer service office for Parks so uh it makes sense that I'm involved in the Liberty Plaza activation and um I'll just share more about how where we are and how we got there briefly so uh let me get my mouse right here I just realized I'm not in the right spot okay so the timeline um back in February Josh and I had some discussions some brainstorming some um what
015would you do if you were given money you know talks about how to activate Liberty Plaza what um issues did I see there what did I think we could do what have I been doing in years past um and just sort of what what could take place uh then in May and June around that time the arpa funding was confirmed so we now we have some money let's get a job let's post it let's hire somebody let's get going um but unfortunately that didn't happen as we had planned so we didn't have a position and we didn't have a a candidate and um and in July my my busy season-ish was slowing down so we could I could sort of open my eyes and think like maybe I do want to be responsible for Liberty
016Plaza maybe I do want to take this project on and maybe my staff and I can kind of figure it out and do something fun so I told Josh like let's do it I think we can do it it um I might be you know saying something different in a month but why not let's try so it was added to my responsibilities and um basically I feel like I have worn tread in Packard Road and division to Liberty Plaza from Cobblestone I'm going back and forth back and forth um looking at it differently as I said I have lived here my entire life so I am familiar with Liberty Plaza um either would Scurry past it or stop and enjoy um depending on what was going on so we've been I've been doing a lot
017uh in a different way than I did before so I'm sorry I'm having a small issue with my mouse now oh here we go okay so immediately I um referenced a uh report a site survey survey report done by the police department in 2001 um where they looked at the space and said you know 16 Pages later these are the things that you should be addressing right you need to open up the sight lines you need to make it brighter and lighter how could we do that immediately without kind of you know taking a lot of time to make physical improvements what were the quick simple things that we could do so we trimmed up some trees um we removed one that was sort of in the middle as well as unhealthy the tables and
018the stools that were around the space often lent themselves to um bad behavior um not what we wanted to see taking place in that location so we removed those um and then the historical marker so the site plan survey or the site survey of the police department did talked about how people take ownership of a space when it's maintained when it's organized when it's um you know things are in order they aren't broken there's not graffiti so so looking at that historical marker as lovely as it was and as important as it was was shattered and it was becoming full of stickers and just not safe frankly if somebody bumped it it was probably gonna shatter even more so we removed that um we also did some really industrial power washing down there so after
019a couple of just simple power washes by our staff I went I wonder if we can really get this space clean uh the picture I'm showing is pre-power washing we also added uh temporary lighting so we had some lighting in stock here that we had used for an event at Cobblestone so why don't we just throw these up there everybody's doing it in their backyard the cafe lights it looks fun creates a festive area and then we really focused on the trash picking really getting down there making sure things were staying clean sending my staff sending the park operation staff and then also relying on the first Martin staff that assists with keeping that space clean so those were sort of immediate things that I did and it and it changed it so this picture
020um was you can see we've removed that tree we removed the the um signage or the sign you can see the lights are up in here there's some open space in the front along Liberty so it really just opened up the space made it more inviting you know you weren't sort of peering in trying to see what's going on you were really like oh hey I could go sit down and take a minute and send a text message or make a phone call um I'm really happy with the just the really basic stuff we've done and we have some big future things that we want to do um we have worked to get some decorative lighting quotes we want to engage in some public art down there there's some simple Park signage that we want
021to update that can help with enforcement um we met today with a landscaping company to look at the beds so making sure that we're putting again using that site survey to put in plants and Greenery that is um positive and it's in in what it looks like but also it creates a positive environment um we're going to replace or repair that historical marker we need a storage shed so um lots of schlepping things back and forth to Liberty Plaza um Rita Mitchell may remember from the public power of it I think you were part of lots of back and forth um and then considering doing a public Wi-Fi so some of the events have asked us like do you have Wi-Fi and we don't right so it's not available down there and while people can
022make do it would be a great amenity to add um event wise so you know we kind of Hit the physical things this is what I've done for events um in 2019 because I've been doing this for a while uh I like to talk about the unique events we have and then the number of days because Sonic lunch for example is one unique event but it takes place like six to eight times a year so when you see the numbers above um think of that use Sonic lunch as a reference because people pretty much know what that is so in 2019 you see what we were doing then 2021 hit we didn't really change much it was as fewer days it was used but here in 2022 we've got 18 unique events so more events
023taking place um the 89 days I uh I didn't run the report through the end of the year so there's still like Vineyard Church that's there every Friday that's not counted in the total days um I noticed that earlier when I was reviewing it um we've had some unique events as well so give 365 hosted a couple of events down there um there's been uh excuse me for a minute The Vineyard Church as I mentioned so they've been very loyal to that location um servicing the population that was using the park most frequently um and so we have a meeting coming up I think in a couple of weeks or so to just talk about what we can offer them to assist their event their weekly events I guess so for the individual events um
024support that we provided my office and myself provided was a signage so it was easy for us to quickly design stuff um Kimberly mortson our Graphics designer is fantastic it's our communication liaison so we're able to instantly say like hey we can do your signs for you we can bag meters for you um and we have some event related items that we can provide tables and chairs or we can assist you with renting those items so those are like real simple event support that we could provide instantly promotion wise the city in our various God deliveries social media and next door we can reach about 70 000 people right so just a simple couple lines with a graphic put it on next door put it in the gov delivery that goes out in a social
025media Instagram Twitter Facebook you're reaching a lot of people right away which was exciting um there was the article in the Ann Arbor Observer that triggered some um interaction from the public and from and some interest in events as well as uh the Liberty Plaza website so we quickly created that and have been trying to keep that up to date posting about how to have an event what are we doing down there um and so I've included that on the slides as well so some challenges so uh you know starting in the middle of the summer in August July that's not your best time to sort of get going for events but it's what it was um staff uh so we were really busy here at Cobblestone and with Park events in the spring and
026and then in July it's we could take a we could take a breath but we didn't I didn't hire more staff I just didn't have the need for them until we got busy with Liberty Plaza and then it became a thing where you know I'm devoting 10 to 15 hours and then the other folks in my staff are devoting five to six hours a week on Liberty Plaza stuff so it became a thing where we started tracking it more closely you know how much time are we really spending and those numbers they impact you you you know you find out like I forgot to reply to this email or oh I'm still worried about the getting the tables down there so looking in the future that's definitely a challenge for us is making sure we
027have enough staff that can support what we want to do there um short timeline and then the organizers not being really clear on what they need or what they might need so that was always a lot of back and forth what do you think you need oh I don't know well maybe you want this maybe we want it so that took up a lot of time for us um and then no storage so I mentioned earlier looking to see about a storage shed some kind of storage capacity because what I found is while we can provide the items we need some place to put them safely uh we need to not be able we you know taking 40 chairs and eight tables back and forth is really labor intensive if we could store them there
028for a season pick drop them off and pick them up be a lot easier for everybody uh so now I'll just talk about some of the events we had and how we supported them um Josh and I talked right uh in July and he was like activation let's get it going figure out what these events need and um and a system as as appropriate so shape matter movement showcase um it's an annual free event it's taken place since 18 and they use the arpa funding to enhance the events so to provide additional lighting to provide a sound system a sound technician to instead of getting the chairs and and from the rental company and carrying and driving them themselves to save money they were able to just have them delivered um and an example of
029the signage on the far left side we use that format for nearly all the events so the center is where we added this specific event but we kept our logo at the top Liberty Plaza and then the information on how to rent below a fun one that came in which may never come back but it was a it was a unique idea so uh chocolate sandals has a tour bus a school bus they converted has a sewing machine inside they reached out and they said hey we want to be in Ann Arbor let's go to the market I'm like no no the farmer's American is a mess don't you don't want to go to the market so what about Liberty Plaza and I didn't really know what I was saying at the time because this
030was you know early September um I didn't know if it was gonna fit lots of measuring face timing with the company out of Portland and then the bus showed up and it backed in and it lived there for four days and they had a great event um support we provided was security so we had an overnight security guard and then parking so really like low impact event for us but had a kind of unique unique feel probably didn't won't see it again but it still was a fun time and it was Labor Day weekend and the first football game if I remember correctly so it's just kind of crazy downtown anyways uh so the U of mcew the Center for Women of for the education of women plus that their offices are actually in that
031uh first Martin building they Overlook Liberty Plaza so when they got the email about um you know want to have an event in Liberty Plaza they thought sure why not let's do our dinner uh the support we provided was organizing the rental items so the tents you see in those pictures we were able to put um actually three 20 by 20 tents throughout the plaza so that they could host different portions dinner the food and then some activities uh we've had uh three to four if I remember correctly public protests or Pub or political events that's a tongue twister um August 13th we had the sunrise movement of Ann Arbor these uh were a group of really dedicated excited folks to having their first event I'm not sure what they wanted to do um they
032were very inspiring for me it was probably the best way for me to start Liberty Plaza to just sort of be intrigued by these these folks that felt like we could do it or maybe we can't but we're gonna try and that's sort of where I was like I think I can do it I don't know if I can do it but I'll try and do it uh so they had and they had a great event um lots of uh they sent really a really heartfelt thank you card to me afterwards and it um it was really it was really nice uh the Public Power in the plaza that Center picture so sort of piggybacking on um sunrise in terms of like what they needed for tables and chairs and Tents and that sort of
033items and then the women's March um that was kind of a quick turnaround event again so but but it actually had a huge crowd at it and really positive experience for our community and then the one that I think um personally I've I've liked the best if I'm gonna you know be biased here is low silent disco so um uh back in April we had one random rental and they were like yeah we think we might do a sound disco we don't really know but it's gonna be like a fundraiser okay fine here's your permit you're all set well then when we launched the arpa funding for Liberty Plaza the company reached out to me it's a local resident family um yeah where did he say I think he went to Pioneer um but he
034you know he had started this new business So Silent disco is you wear headphones there's three different playlists going and you can flip the headphone to listen to the different music songs playing it's all radio transmitters so they don't need any electricity there's no need for Wi-Fi um they come with two tubs of of headphones and they just hand them out uh no issues at all no you know noise pollution no real impact on the con on the Neighbors on the businesses no it's issues with you know somebody walking off with the headphones and not bringing them back but what we did see were really great experiences so in the lower picture there's like a family of six ages like three years old up to nine hanging out in that lower level dancing listening to
035the music um the center picture shows you can sort of see the like green lights or the blue lights on people they're listening to different music you would walk by and you couldn't hear any of the music right but you could hear people humming and they were dancing um they averaged like 65 to 70 people on each of the Thursday nights they had um just a really successful two-hour event on Thursday nights where the you know walk people walking by came to it or if they saw it and go delivery they came to it um I was I went twice I went to the first one in the last one and it was just it was a ton of fun and if you're a people Watcher it was totally fun to sit around and watch
036people just dancing and having a good time um and so things that I still have coming up right so we're gonna do a holiday gift Market at Liberty Plaza um the Kindle Fest as we all know it at Cary Town wasn't going to take place and then they have recently the Kerry time District Association decided to have that event but in a different way so if you've ever been to Kindle Fest you remember it was jam-packed in the market lots of people lots of stuff Crazy Event in that small in the market space this year they're going to spread it out so just do food and some music in the market and then allow um the drinks to be on Fourth Ave but I will have the crafts so at Liberty Plaza we've partnered with
037the Sunday Artisan market and the Ann Arbor farmer's market to provide space for 30 vendors to sell at midnight madness so that Friday December 2nd and we're gonna see how it goes um my experience running the farmer's market organizing events and then a Sunday Artisan market manager is assisting so we're we're all very excited um we're hoping there's not a snowstorm we're looking for balmy early December weather whether or not we get it you know who knows um but so that's sort of the the big event that we have coming up internally here with the city or with Parks but other events that are getting ready to take place this month and into November and December include the hustle for housing um the Turkey Trot that's it both of those are annual events as well
038as the Hanukkah menorah lighting um the Chabad house has that one and it's uh this year it's in December and then again just kind of going back to Friday night um The Vineyard Church of Ann Arbor has really committed themselves to that space and provided a great resource to our community they are rain sleet snow shine they're down there hanging out providing resources and um we're really thankful to have them committed to that location and I think yeah so in you know that's kind of close I want to just kind of acknowledge those the other outside of me that have helped me uh over the last couple of months to really change what's going on at Liberty Plaza think about it differently Engage The Space differently um the municipal parking staff Judy and Kelly they've
039been fantastic um oftentimes I was super late minute getting last minute getting you know meter bag requests in and they were always willing to accommodate me all of park operations so Scott Spooner and Kevin Ernst and Jason Nelis and all of their maintenance staff lights will get taken down um you know quickly can you trim this can you take care of that can you power wash that they always were willing to accommodate those silly requests I would have oftentimes at the last minute everyone in my office so all of my staff that when I wasn't doing things that I you know might have been doing prior to this position or this role they picked up the slack right so everyone that works in my office here at Cobblestone were really supportive with me and then
040thanks to Jack um Josh had to listen to me say like no way I'm not doing that I have no interest in that nope no thank you thanks but no and then you know listen to me come around and say you know what I think I can do it I think we can figure this out I think it's a good idea um he can he he listens to the good and bad I share I guess is the best way to put them so that's all I have thank you very much Jessica I'm sure there there might be some folks with questions here um Adam Adam can I jump in before the questions just because I wanna I Wanna Give Jessica the credit that she really deserves and and while I had belief in her from
041day one um the the work the effort that was done to make this happen could have only happened because of her experience with Event Rentals her event her understanding of the community of the park systems the relationships that she's built um it we we went through a tried to hire somebody that was going to be a challenge it was going to be a unicorn to find somebody that could do this job and in reality we had that unicorn in our in our on our staff already and I I was disappointed when she first said no but I understood 100 why um but I'm glad she came around and and it is it is exciting to see her excitement about it and this was going to be a challenge this uh activating the space after two
042years of a pandemic that hadn't been utilized and people were not coming down was going to take steps it was going to take somebody to be passionate about it and Jessica and her team and everyone embraced it but it was because of her leadership um with this that really made that difference so thank you excellent well thank you very much thank you both uh Jen you are up go ahead so amazing really well done is is you're is this sustainable is this something that will do you plan to build on it is it something that even if you don't plan to grow from here that it will continue at its current Pace like what is give us like a forward lift please and again amazing job you're really good yeah um I would say um
043without some additional staff it's not sustainable uh that you know what we did up to this point was sort of just running at Full Speed Ahead um a lot of you know wait a minute did we remember this did we remember that but I will say that we were able to create some really clear like you know internal policies and internal checklists for like do we have these things in place so um I think if we can hire a few more people um and really the the Staffing doesn't have to be directly related to Liberty Plaza but also you know maybe doing the events at the farmers market that I have that I host right so when people run the market that comes through my office um supporting OSI and some of their events that
044they do um I think that's where we'll go uh but I do think that the public interest will always be there and so um we we threw a bunch of stuff together and it's working right now so now is the time that hopefully we can flush through it and then see you know where is the longevity because I mean I think Liberty Plaza is a great space I wouldn't have said that in you know may maybe or April frankly but I I've it's changed I've it's grown a spot in my heart place in my heart yeah and I and I will also add just a simple fact that in the pack did a study of downtown parks in 20 2012 that that spoke to this the way that this gets this works is through activation
045and it's through through resources and and the thing is is it's not just dollars I mean we can throw dollars and get something get Jessica's times paid for but there's only so many hours in a day that Jessica and her staff can work and so it's not just the dollars which are helpful but it's a it's a dedicated dollars to help us move things forward with with people and bodies to make that work so I I think you did an excellent job of identifying the the challenges and the needs in order to continue the success that you've had but it did beg the question of whether or not it was sustainable long term without you having that type of focus on it so I appreciate you clarifying thank you all right we've got a few
046folks uh they're hands up uh I think uh Alan was first and then I'm not sure if it was Erica or Frank um but uh go ahead Alan you're up okay as I was up and then I dropped out and I'm back well so wonderful report very good work yeah Liberty Plaza lives and breathes yeah I had a couple of reflections and the removal of the tables Disturbed me because it was around the tables that the people who were the regular users of the park play their games and chess and cards and so on and have their sandwiches and I thought that was a setback in terms of the sociability of the their place yeah particularly when uh Jeff Watson from vda and I had a kind of getting together conversation that began to open
047a lot of questions and we said well yeah we'll meet again at the table and then all of a sudden the table is gone I felt that that was uh that we need that kind of facility uh sociability and the Casual use of the uh of the place um I think also to uh see somehow in the governance that the you know casual users are actually something of a community and in conjunction with the uh shelter could well be a valuable part of the maintenance and development of the place yeah I've I've been particularly attentive to the sensory garden that the blind Community with help from the uh Lions Club maintained and I hope that that can be seen as a uh a gem for further development but very good that the activity uh commences
048and I think a lot of volunteers can help the maintenance over time yeah Alan thank you for that I mean we we understand that there's a there are people utilizing that that have been utilized in the space and whether it's through the the ministry work whether it's through Vineyards whether it's there we understand that there's a use there and we're trying to balance that and that's always the thing that we look to do in park is we realize that there are there are multiple groups that look to utilize our spaces and we try to find that balance between every group to make it as accessible as possible and one of the things we have talked about again you know on on future wish list is how do we find more portable or more spaces that
049can be for tables and chairs that can provide that social aspect during the day and then also be removed during during events to make a more more inviting space so it is a challenge that we run into and it is always our goal not to just move everyone out of there that has been there but kind of balance between making it more attractive for for special events while keeping while keeping an opportunity for casual use as well there's ongoing discussion with uh DDA that as this surf public land has repurposed to uh Park and Commons the storage space in the alley should be available at least in Sharing for uh chairs and tables and so on for Activation of the Library Lane lot and the Liberty Plaza and I noted the concern for where do
050we put shares if we got a bunch of chairs between events so continue that discussion with Jeff Watson because that's the storage space really should be accessible for the activation of all of this public area for the people's good all right thank you uh thank you Alan thanks Josh um well Eric Ben and Frank I just wanted to say thank you for all your work on this um it's great to see um just coming together it's um you know that's a lot of hard work on on your end on the park staff end so um and I think it was a good convergence of a lot of folks having conversations around the same time and recognizing some different issues that we're growing in the area and I appreciate um Mr dehoney who responded pretty quickly
051to discussions around activation the activation subcommittee here and and jumped in and said he was interested in in taking a harder look at Liberty Plaza and convening that working group to to begin thinking about Liberty Plaza from a variety of different areas but then also advocating for that funding um from Council to be able to to move this forward so I'm curious in terms of the sustainability aspect of this um and I hear you kind of throw in some ideas around about how some of this event programming from different different departments and and stuff like that could be maybe melded together um is that something that is is being I know this is using arpa funding is there a feeling that there may be an opportunity through the use of um you know putting together
052different pots of money that we may be able to to fund a position or a part-time position doing this in the next budget cycle or are these conversations still kind of developing um I think that they're I think that there is a desire you know in the initial meetings about Liberty Plaza obviously has been uh Mr dehoney spoke spoke often about this is a community this is something that there needs to be a various at various components too to make this work um you know from our point of view we have 160 plus Parks uh in the city of Ann Arbor Jessica has dedicated I mean we have a hundred thousand dollars dedicated for staff and resources to One Park um obviously the math that goes along with that is not going to be one
053that's very sustainable um so the idea of how do how do we look at Urban Parks how do we look at downtown Parks as a as not just Liberty Plaza not just the library a lot not just Farmers Market but how do we look at that and determine how we make those spaces work moving forward um I will and from from my point of view as the manager again we have roughly 13 facilities we've got 30 some odd staff that all could use an additional full-time person so as we look at the budget for this upcoming fiscal year it is it is trying to find out where that additional support support is most valuable to the department and the community understanding that Liberty Plaza Urban Parks is a Focus right now um so it's just
054finding that balance um to say I would love to come together and figure out the different pots of money to to be a part of this because I think it is a very good thing and I think the work that Jessica does that that could be done more at the Farmers Market at West Park with supporting relationships with the Library Lane those are the things that we're looking for um to say that I would like this to be dedicated to this just this position um it won't be where we start with but I think it's where we can we can support with it so great thanks one thank you uh Frank and then Rita uh I just want to Echo the the thank yous uh to Josh and and Jessica and their their entire team
055uh I'm thinking back to where my mind was in March April May and this was this was just still a very much a dream and a hope that this was before the arpa Fundy I think became available Etc and to think that uh I think your your biggest contribution is you've demonstrated the viability of this space for a much broader Community agenda not to not to put aside in any way uh you know the the established use by a part of our community that often doesn't have any anywhere else to go uh I I think that's still important and viable and something that needs to be supported but uh I'm just thrilled that uh that through your efforts you've demonstrated the liability for a broader Community agenda for um for a Liberty Plaza I I've
056said probably more times than I I can even remember that the uh the future of the entire center of the city effort including the Library Lane Etc really does hinge on Liberty Plaza that has to be successful for the entire project to be successful so I'm thrilled with that and uh Jessica if you want to talk about the very early days of cobblestone Farm um I I was chair of the historic district commission and somehow Cobblestone Farm landed in our lap temporarily back in the 70s and um so be happy to talk about about the early days when you know uh security was a big issue out there and uh anyhow it's obviously in good hands today so thank you thank you thanks Frank uh Rita um I want to say thank you as well
057and and I can say from direct experience that with one of the events as Jessica mentioned on the anniversary Public Power event uh had excellent support from Jessica and Connor and and I believe unseen people to me um to help us get things organized and it was very well done and was a pleasure um question I have because of that experience I know that some funding was used to actually support the event and so that's actually different from the way I think a lot of of um events go on in in some of the public places meaning that usually there's a fee for the group that is putting on the event as opposed to us getting support for some of the services and things that we used so do you see this turning around so
058that there actually could be revenue from use of this space that would support the Staffing or materials or Furniture things like that um I I'll jump in and Jessica can add to it uh yes I mean obviously this is we we are fortunate to have this our money to be able to pull people in you know Liberty Plaza has historically for a number of years not required a fee for the permit um so different things like electricity or number of people that those fees were still there but um so we've we've known that we've needed to activate it and we've reduced that fee but just because the 35 dollars or the the the the space fee is there that doesn't make people want to come so the this got us people in they can see
059exciting they can see how it can be utilized they can work with Jessica they can understand what is needed and then hopefully they'll want to come back because again just because it's free doesn't mean that's why they came they came this time and hopefully they'll come back in the future so that's going to be the expectation um you know at this point we have a hundred thousand dollars of our fund that we're going to utilize till the end um and hopefully you're just if you have another event you're the one that is at 900 and you know 99 000 500 and you get the last 500 of the event not at a hundred thousand so um that's where we're kind of at thank you excellent well I just wanted to say thank you Echo the
060uh the uh thanks that everybody have has given here and I know I just put a plug-in Rita and Frank uh let a lot of the comparable communities work uh for this group and have some really great ideas uh as well as uh Jeff Crockett and his uh Army of volunteer gardeners and so I always appreciate their their work and so if you're ever looking for bodies to help uh do some of those activities I'm sure there would be some very willing volunteers um and Alan I'll give the floor back to you real quick again one last time and then we will bid Jessica and Josh farewell and thank them for their evening thank you I wanted to add Jessica under the list of events of 2022 Martin Luther King Day on July on January
06115th we had a program in uh in Liberty Plaza what is your dream with a video when people came up one after another after another expression their dream a very good program will likely do it again this next Martin Luther King Day well it's a busy spot so make sure you reach out to me excellent thank you so much Jessica for your excellent presentation and all of your hard work over the last uh year and uh Josh thank you again for all of your team and everything you guys are doing we know that uh uh that uh you have a lot going on and a lot of facilities to manage and we really appreciate all your work and we know your budget's strapped so um appreciate you thank you both thank you very much thanks
062everyone have a nice evening okay uh with that we're going to move on to uh the next agenda item which is approval of the 2023 meeting schedule so I know Heather may have some comments here this is a piece that we have to do um Heather did you want to kick off just by starting some things off and I have some some um suggestions too so yeah so the city clerk is requesting us to the city clerk's office I should say is requesting for us to set our schedule for the next year so we can get our notices out there well in time um so this is really um for us to determine if we want to carry on with the same schedule that we've been doing so it's the first Thursday of the month
063or if there's some other Arrangement that we want to do so I'd like to make a suggestion on this um and I think it kind of ties in nicely with the condensing working groups piece um and so um you know one of the things that um just on a schedule standpoint Thursday first Thursday um if we do monthly or if we you know alter works well for me I don't know if that works well for others um in terms of that time slot we can talk about that but I would like to to suggest that maybe we think about we can amend this schedule right Heather correct I mean the same way that we do it now so if we need to drop a meeting definitely if we want to pick one up we can
064also do a special meeting we just need to get the notification out in advance and if we do want to adjust you know for finding that we want to just generally adjust our schedule I think we can do that it just we just need to get the notifications out in time okay I'd like to suggest uh that that um we explore uh reducing our meeting schedule at some point but I'd like to give us a little opportunity to let our condensed working groups do some work and see how that goes I guess my suggestion on this is if we can maintain what we've got right now but revisit it maybe in a couple of months and see how uh how we feel about reducing our um Thursday first Thursday of the month meeting um if
065we're making more progress on the condensed working schedule how are folks how do folks feel about something like that so we keep things as they are but then agree that we're going to revisit in uh in a couple of months or so uh Alice you got your hand up you are muted Alice you're muted well I didn't mean to have my hand up sorry also I wasn't I was muted so um I just came from earlier this afternoon um um a meeting similar where we consider the similar question about how often we would meet um which is partly mandated by ordinance but um uh we have had varying levels of business and so sometimes uh well I'll make it short we decided that we would keep our monthly schedule and because it was easier to
066cancel a meeting than to reschedule a meeting than to create a new meeting when it's not already been slotted so that might be something to consider where if we don't have significant business or progress and we need more time to prepare for the next meeting that might be an option unless it's not allowed by our local ordinance I think it is uh uh Heather Kirkman if I'm wrong we are able to cancel at any given time right as long as we have proper notice right that's correct so if we if we establish this regular if we keep the established interval then we can give ourselves some space if we need to yeah yes absolutely I I my thought on this is I think that's that definitely works I I uh I would like to give
067folks enough time to plan you know so especially if they're attendees who would like to attend or something like that and certainly council members if we can uh agree that we're if we see a pattern where we're where we need some more time than we we plan on um you know reducing it you know to every other month or something like that at some point um but I do think it's totally fair to let it play out um how are folks feeling about that type of scenario where we we keep the status quo for now and then you know we if we start to see that we need more time we can cancel and and move to a more standard Rita you put your hand up and then Frank too uh yeah I really was
068trying to look for the thumbs up I was gonna say I think it's good okay excellent okay so okay a couple thumbs up any thumbs down okay all right uh Heather does that answer your questions it's official it does yeah yeah I'll let them know that we'll carry on with the same schedule until further notice okay excellent so why don't we put a pin in this and we'll come back and uh and uh no no later than January and see how we're going so um with that we're gonna move on to the next uh item on our agenda this is the condensing the working groups so in our last meeting we had um report outs from those working groups and recommendations around their plans and in fact one of them agreed to self-dissolve at that
069point or recommended theyself they dissolved and I think we had a really good discussion then around what the future sort of looked like um in terms of our work plan and uh coinciding with that um you know progress around fundraising for the RFP um and the long-term planning and in our past um efforts to activate the space and and certainly seeing some of the space being activated by the parks department and seeming to be a stronger interest in in that type of activation so um I had indicated at the time that I thought that really our work group um structure probably needed to be morphed a little bit and so I spoke with some of you offline around what that could look like a little bit more um and you know we don't have to
070keep these names that are in the agenda but these seemed like the right work streams going forward um and uh so the first one being the future space design so this is the vision Visionary piece that includes things like the RFP fundraising for that planning process engaging in the planning process Etc uh and then uh uh the current activation of the space uh including things like near-term use activation streamlining of application maybe working with the parts department um more so uh around some of their efforts seems like the natural other work stream and uh and that our previous working group where we had four that shrunk to three seemed to morph more into this combined effort and um so we put that on the agenda tonight for discussion and also I'd like to suggest that
071maybe um we talk about um leadership in in those areas and that sort of thing so uh Alice you've got your hand up honey go ahead and then certainly others can comment as well yeah I think this is a pretty good follow-up to what we were just talking about meetings it means that we have a little more time for some things um and like I'll say the RFP uh may not have much going for the next month or two and so we wouldn't want to spend time on that but there may be other things related to fundraising or other parts of that one work stream that could could be facilitated by having a meeting and having more discussion or bringing in people for a certain period of time who are not on the on our
072you know we're allowed to bring in Consultants with these work streams um meaning block Partners or or uh people who have experience that are not on our commission that kind of thing um so I think that especially with that one in these next months there may not be much activity on the RFP but there may be things that are on looking forward to say funding streams or management structures and that kind of thing that is for the long term that might affect be affected or affect the RFP on the other hand the near-term event activation will probably be done by a lot of outside people but we want to be able to figure out what those events need just as Jessica black was saying that there's a lot of figuring out what they they is
073needed there certainly the storage issue was the one that we have to figure out too and that will fit right in with supporting the parks with Liberty Plaza as well as develop finding out how we can develop that for for bigger events or other events that I don't know we might have coincidence parallel events so I just wanted to mention that that this structure sounds good to to be able to be more flexible to bring people in for a certain purpose and bring and have them help us figure things out or or to bring those ideas into our meetings when we need to figure out how to implement them that's what I have to say for now excellent thank you for that I agree with all those sentiments are there other thoughts or comments um
074around this idea Steven you unimuted yourself do you want to go yeah no I think it's a great idea I think it simplifies the the approach are we talking about now uh inactivation or are we talking about the future and and funding and sort of the I can see maybe possibilities where the two groups would overlap to some degree and that's why the larger committee is is there um from my perspective as the as the pack lies on it would make sense I think for me or whoever is the pack lies on in the future uh to be in the now activation committee as opposed to in the the future committee it seems more pack relevant um so that was that was my thought too but I'm in favor of the concept excellent thank you
075and uh Jen and then I don't know if Frank you put your hand up and took it down but you're welcome to go after her I was just gonna say two thousand percent thus I feel like this is a really broad group of smart people and let's combine our horses and figure out how we can actually Advance things versus continuing to have the same conversations so two thumbs up excellent excellent thank you uh Franklin Allen yeah I I just like to Echo the words of support and I I think this also this structure also lends itself to Bringing additional voices in beyond the the membership of the council as we as we build out these groups and chart the course for these two work streams excellent thank you uh Alan you are muted Ellen by
076the way yeah so well Echo the same Echo though uh reaction or distinction between these two lines Vision so uh yeah holiday in the south it is in my perspective because I'm involved in program and activation and assets around their terms that I think that they're helping reshape and put input into whatever the process that shapes the RFP and the funding for is very coherent tasks and I see that is doing their accessories and interested in excellent thanks Alan uh Erica thanks yeah and I I concur with all that it makes sense to go into these two sort of um different um subcommittee um pizzas I think obviously we need to be careful not to to hit above Quorum on on either subcommittee otherwise that that becomes an issue um and then I I'm sorry
077I had to step away from the computer as we were amending the or as the agenda was even approved so I probably should have amended it but so I'm gonna do you think that I think it might be relevant for me to talk about some short-term activation stuff right here right now since it kind of Might inform the committee structure of some of the thinking about that yeah I think it's fine feel free okay so um so just so all are aware of the the discussion that we had a year plus ago around um the the commission um unanimously recommending um activating the Library Lane Service lot with food trucks that um that resolution is you know got pulled back from Council on the summer of last year due to con some concerns um from
078downtown rest restaurant owners and Street Association has kind of folks were recovering from covid um but it seemed appropriate to to get that back on the agenda after having had some time here so I just wanted all to be aware that that was going to be a resolution that could be submitted to council um for next Thursday night's agenda it's bumped act Council meetings next Thursday not Monday um so that'll be going in front of council um so and basically it's it's very similar to what we had talked about last year essentially um you know asking the the city administrator and um uh Team to to begin looking at um you know what what would be the cost the operational model the the sustainability the feasibility of of of being able to you know have
079a and reoccurring use through food trucks or other mobile vendors like pop-up Artisans and stuff like that and having staff really dig into that issue and come back um with a report on that and the time frame is by April 1st of next year so that she'll be in in front of budget season um and in front of planning season as well so in terms of the short-term activation piece of things um in some ways a lot of these conversations you know some of these conversations at least for are going to be explored um and activate from a staff perspective both from the light surface of the Library Lane um parking lot and then obviously we just heard from Parks about Liberty Plaza so there's going to be some extra Manpower on this for the
080next six months or so yeah assuming it gets approved on Thursday night which counselors are council member dish and council member Grant right now excellent that is that is really wonderful news and obviously very relevant so kudos to council member Briggs and council member dish for their hard work on this we really appreciate it and certainly relevant to this uh topic and um so um I think there are a couple things that it seems like there's no opposition to this idea around uh the structure I do think it sounds like especially given what councilmember Briggs uh just indicated um one of the things we should probably uh come up with is one uh appointing uh a leader for each of the uh each of the two work streams um and then uh Empower that leader
081to bring together folks and maybe create a charge um and so I'd like to see what folks think about that and if they have any ideas around um around names so uh Frank um I'd like to uh have us consider uh Rita Mitchell to uh hit up the uh the short-term activation group if she's so inclined so I guess I'll second that Rita are you willing to accept that responsibility you are muted yes okay uh yes I'm particularly glad to hear you said something about support but yeah excellent all right any uh any other names or are we feeling good about Rita uh for the activation yeah I just want to add about the support this appointment of one person doesn't mean that that one person makes does all the work thank you so so
082we will need to make sure that we have another person who can uh help whoever takes the first stab at this leadership I I feel like having a leader for each of them and recognizing that leader from this group is probably the most important thing tonight and then they can coordinate others to get engaged certainly we've heard a lot from folks who wanted to bring in more voices that's very good work um work with any of the coordination efforts at the parks department especially on this one uh this area and uh and then um you know create that charge and and be a productive working group and then be able to come back to this group and Report out so um all right so Rita you are it for short-term activation any uh any uh
083ones for the uh the longer term planning if not I'm happy to do it um how you got to be chair of this yeah so that was well that's another story okay so I'm happy to take that one on as well um and um and so uh as long as everybody's okay with that then um we will uh we'll uh take this next step the working groups previous three working groups be effectively dissolved uh Rita and myself be um appointed as the leaders of the two I guess they're technically still called working groups um for the the uh requirements we have and we will be conscious around um Quorum but we also want to be inclusive of incorporating more voices into this process um that's one been one of our constraints here and so this
084this will allow us to do that and I think the goal will be that if we uh if we're able to successfully we'll report back and that leader will be the coordinator of that reporting back uh into this group so a couple hands up um Alan uh and then Sarah well I I particularly in the uh request for proposal fundraising yeah line uh I'm interested in how you see this actually working as I in particular put forward a number of proposals that I thought should be included into the scope and the request for proposals and I also put forward in the fundraising a view toward you know bottom up and all around fundraising as well as air Focus solicitation and so how do these uh uh ideas that do not uh you know crashed up
085the first stair on the first wave and get themselves heard Alan I think that will be a question I have to answer and putting forth the charge um but uh I don't have an answer for you tonight but I can tell you that we will we certainly are going to take into account the work that was put into that RFI and I know you did spend a lot of time uh on the scope that was included in that RFI and we're gonna uh take that into account but I will be conscious of it in putting the charge and I'll I'll give you a call give me a call all right thanks Sarah thanks sorry I've been quiet tonight I'm having all kinds of computer problems over the past two weeks um but I never remember
086what Quorum is ever are you envisioning like is everybody going to be on like one or the other committee like is that do we have enough numbers does that make sense or uh it's that's really I think we want to uh empower the the uh both the committee members and also the chair to work on that so I mean just as one example and I don't want to um you know I think on the longer term planning we're going to want to pull in some other members block partners and Community leaders people have the best interest in space users of the space into that discussion um and then I'm sure that Rita will want to do that as well um uh so I would say uh stay tuned but I think we want to leave
087ourselves flexible so one thing I hope we don't run into uh but I suppose if we could and we'll deal with it if we hit this problem is if we have people who want it we have too many commission members who want to be a part of one but I'm hoping that we will be able to we'll be able to avoid that so okay so are you are you like as the like chairs are you just going to tap like are you tapping people or do you want people to like say okay I think certainly the chairs will tap people but then if there's an interest by an individual they certainly should reach out to the chair okay I mean I guess I'll just sort of echo like what Stephen said like as the Planning
088Commission liaison if you wanted me to do anything it probably would make the most sense to be on the longer term whatever that one was called but let you decide we'll talk all right I'll give you a call too sure okay sounds good okay thanks all right Erica I was just gonna answer this specific question around Quorum So currently there's um there are 12 seats on the commission 11 are filled right now so um Quorum would be six so we we really can't all be serving on a committee um otherwise we would hit you know that Quorum issue at least on one of those subcommittees if there was a meeting so I think it really by by Nature needs to be a smaller group of folks that are kind of working on these things thank
089you clarification um so I just wanted to add that it doesn't mean that we can't communicate an idea but we don't have to be in the management of all those ideas you know all the time so um it's it I think it will help us all to focus if we have a leader and a backup for that leader and then we can we don't have to be present to contribute an idea and so and and we do need to have these new ideas or other ideas coming in from the people who will be affected um or in participating such as a company being chosen for the RFP or Parks activities with Liberty Plaza or any of these things can be filtered through one of the two groups or both if that seems necessary so this
090gives us flexibility more voices and more different voices when we need them you know off and on absolutely yeah and just just uh reiterate though we can't we wouldn't be able to communicate with more than a quorum of people outside of a commission meeting because that's violation of open meetings act and so yes you know we can't we can't have like a side conversation with with the whole commission about no but not anything but certainly individually I think I think was what you were pointing out which is right you know we can submit an idea or a thought to the subcommittee and I think that's a great way for us to be able to as long as it's just kind of go into that chair yep and and also the beauty of this is that
091you know we will come back together here and uh you know have uh you know be at Quorum and be able to have uh discussion and provide feedback and uh and all of that so it should create a good feedback loop so um well this is excellent this takes us through this uh item on the agenda the next item on the agenda is next agenda items so um there's nothing there why don't we uh unless there's anything that really Pops in somebody's head I think the items certainly are a follow-back on uh the from each of the chairs of these new work groups uh and uh a report out of what the charge is plus anything else in the near term uh that they want to accomplish there could be other items too but I
092certainly think that's one of them Erica and I don't know that this would work necessarily for the next meeting but um I appreciated the Parks Commission our Park staff coming in and presenting today I thought that was really yeah pretty timely and very helpful um there was some discussion around block Partners I think it might be helpful to have see if the library might be willing to come in um and provide a presentation about some of their long-term visioning work that they have done um and obviously they're they're just about to elect a new board and I don't know that December is the right time frame for them but maybe it is um for a you know a 20-minute presentation just from there especially from the new library director to talk a little bit about
093about what's going on there I think that's a great idea uh and Heather why don't you and I talk about reaching out to Eli and I think that's a real good idea any other items for the agenda future agendas we can always email Heather and and ask for items to be added to so um with that um and then in that case we'll move on a public comment s yeah I I I call attention to the attachment from kittycon and the minutes from that were attached in the last meeting that give all the uh not all but a great deal of the physical particulars of the uh parking structure Construction in terms of alternative uses and so on that we had asked so what really are the particulars of this place so that the attachment
094that Kitty uh and sent from the contractor uh would be well worth just to look at so we know physically what this structure is uh made of that we're dealing this the surface of which we are Greening Alan I think I'm going to take that one and put it right in the long-term planning committee all right it seems like a very appropriate place but to your point we'll bring it back as part yeah it has blazing Pros absolutely uh and then council member dish and then we'll go yeah I just want to take your credit where credit is due and say that Erica did uh council member Briggs did all of the work on the resolution I am very happy to support it and very much hope we are able to bring some life and
095light and food and snacks and music to the space but uh please just thank Erica thank you Erica takes a team to get us to council Frank uh just a question when will the I mean when will the resolution be publicly available the draft resolution tomorrow okay thank you another evening members of the public I do Robert black all right you should be able to talk okay Heather can you hear me thank you um again I just uh I'm impressed by you guys and the progress and the speed of your resolutions of things and it's very very heartening the coordination of the reducing the number of working groups and focusing them is really good um I just had a couple quick comments um thinking about the challenge that you have to integrate the governance of
096these diverse sites including the people that are potential Partners to this project it's very tricky and I think that you as the Council of the commons are the Hub of this thing even though you don't have decision making um um you know power in a sense that's left to other groups city council Parks the library itself first Martin Corporation Etc but um that you do have the possibility to be the hub for these so-called spokes on the wheel and again I just articulate the possibility for you to create an overarching mission and vision to this to define the core principles that you're shooting towards to set a schedule and a calendar towards critical path Milestones um like Ann Arbor 200 um the library is working on that they have had some pieces out for a
097while now and so could you coordinate them and find Common Ground there to the bicentennial especially and put a pin in that future piece right there so that you could begin to start to work in one voice and then also to um to reach out to other parts of the the group and um work toward this integration I love the idea that um Alice was talking about also Erica to um to get other voices to come in to to talk with you to dialogue with you in a sense more than just parks and then also to have Parks understand that it's a it's a permeable sieve between them it's not just an insular boundary of the parks department as its own governance but that perhaps input would come in like the suggestion to have the
098volunteers of the green team begin to work if it's appropriate or liability Etc to have them kind of work towards the stewardship and governance of this so it's more of a bottom-up as Alan has been talking about and then um let me see what was the last thing the activation ideas that you use them as learning opportunities to harvest everything you can from each one and fold it into your larger mission and vision and if you think about there's already a logo for Liberty Plaza and it says Liberty Plaza and if you look at the byline it says the place to be so there's a message in there that's calling out like a marketing scheme from Liberty Plaza but could you invite them or work with them to create a larger vision for the center
099of the city a logo or something to create a public discussion about this um the time of the holidays is a really good time to begin to do this integration and draw people there for example the phase nutrition of the library surface lot where the northwest corner that was suggested before is a smaller piece where you begin to active that as Alice's word was in parallel and I love that idea you could learn a lot from these parallel activations different governance but different activities as Jessica showed so well that people are coming toward this place now you can draw them to you so it's very exciting when she showed the picture of the lights around Liberty Plaza an image of a possibility of this thing and last thing I'll say um my son Ari and
100Jessica black were born almost within months of each other and there was a Christmas about 40 years ago where the two of them are jumping on a bed at a big Christmas party I was going to talk to her about that at some point but I love the interconnections here and how she has grown to be this very strong leader so good work tonight and good work in your future discussions thank you thanks Robert some really good ideas you had there too appreciate that there any other members of the follow-up wishing to speak uh no I don't see anybody excellent uh in that case could we have a motion to adjourn this evening I move all right and a second all right seconded by councilmember dish all right well all in favor say aye hi
101hi excellent I would like to say that before we wrap up this was the shortest meeting we've had yet yeah this is a record well congratulations crew you are and look how much we got them awful lot always seek to break a record when it comes to uh so have a wonderful evening everyone and thanks for everything thanks everyone good to see you