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Ann Arbor Public Art Commission Meeting 3-2-22

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YouTube / CTN Ann Arbor
Date
2022-03-03
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Washtenaw County, MI
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12,326 words · about 69 min
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2026-06-06

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001and on that sky second all right thank you marionetta um so we can start with um i believe our roll call and i know that craig was typically doing that but should i do that tonight i know that craig retired um the past month so many you know well wishes to him okay perfect so i will do the roll call so um allison book present from ann arbor you jamal uh buford buffered um but present oh buffered i'm sorry no problem uh president superior township thank you david esow president from ann arbor all right sophie gorilla sophie griez president i'm sorry present on sanibel island in florida [Laughter] i hope you're enjoying that and we have uh john kutarsky we know is absent on this evening peggy leonard ah peggy leonard present from ann arbor

002michigan and sophie i'm so jealous the antebellum is my most favorite place on earth i'm gonna pretend i'm with you um marionetta porter present ann arbor all right and linson president ann arbor all right wonderful and then we have vanita harrison with us as well and skye stewart welcome hello everyone all right so um do we have um any public comment today like we can move forward from that and then an approval um of the agenda do i have a motion to approve tonight's agenda thank you in a second a second thank you alison um and then we can move on to um old business or sorry approval of minutes i think we need to vote after we get a second oh vote so a vote on uh the approval of agenda i can raise

003your hand hi all right great looks like we uh can move forward with um approval of minutes and this is from both december 2021 and our january 2022 meeting um because our february meeting was cancelled um is there an approval of the minutes from those past two meetings i'll move all right and do i have a second a second thank you all right and it looks like um then we then there's and sarah then we do some discussion and then okay so discussion um of the minutes from the past two meetings in the this is david in the january minutes um the fundraising development working group the description of what we talked about is completely garbled i'm not sure exactly what it should be but it makes no sense okay i see it looks like

004there are a few typos perhaps in our in the fundraising and development work group so i can read out what we have right now endowment is held in the ann arbor community foundation so it looks like we just need to to take a look at that paragraph again and um and just correct any of those typos all right is there anything else from any of the meeting minutes besides that paragraph from the january meeting all right then i think we can move forward um to any and sorry then we vote on uh on the approval of the minutes from january and december with uh pending those changes for that paragraph we either need to postpone the january one or just remove that whole paragraph because it doesn't make any sense to include it as it

005is okay so we'll approve the december and then maybe vanita and i can work on that paragraph um and we'll bring it to the next uh meeting so we can just approve that formally okay um all right so then do we have a vote to move forward um with at least the approval of the december minutes all right and i all right perfect we can uh move forward then um on to any old business um and it looks like we have nothing on the agenda for old business is there any discussion we'd like to bring up with old business i'm gonna take that as a no so we can um then do we vote on the approval of moving on from old business no no okay so we can just move on to new business

006then um and it looks like we have a report from staff all right so um do we have a report on the presentation the mayoral presentation for the golden paintbrush award winners sarah are you sitting on that committee yes um i am sitting on the stairwell project yes well this is um first we had the golden paintbrush award winner on the agenda for report from staff um it was underwater business that we just went past yeah i don't i think the meeting agenda that you're looking at sarah is different than what i have in front of me my mine has two things under old business the one you that you're referring to right now and the black lives mat matter mural update okay i must have an old um draft then my apologies okay well

007um so i guess we'll do a report from staff with those two um items so what we had initially um i can go ahead and and guide if you want me to sarah from here forward if you can't find that okay sure um so we have an old business we have the uh golden page brush awards and that was just a reminder that those two um those awards went to city council and there was a presentation for all four of the um recipients and they seem to be pretty excited about that as well as we provided their tile and their plaques here for pickup in city hall and i think i have just one person still needing to pick up um their award and it seems like things really well i watched most of them

008and they seem to be really appreciative of having the honor of being accepted for this golden paintbrush award as we brought it back after how many years i can't remember but um i think it's a good thing and i and i like that we will hopefully continue to be able to do that for folks um the black lives matter this was just an update would lin you were at that were you at that meeting can you kind of give uh your perspective on how that all went over how the council participated or did not and that uh well the the mayor gave the awards and you know other council members didn't comment really but i mean it was great it was really nice to see other artists come to the meeting and speak to you

009know their their work um the artist who does the chalk drawings david um yeah he was really lovely he what was nice is that he actually um spoke to other folks that he worked with so it was nice to hear how it's just not the artist working alone that they rely on other folks to support them it was really sweet it was really nice nice way to begin a meeting so thank you for all of your work behind that i think travis travis was excited to see that come through too so uh i i had nothing to do with it i was just there for the meeting so uh i think he was um he's really he was he was really happy that's great to hear thank you lynn the black lives matter update it's

010we're still working with the group to get this organized a little bit better um i think that council member randina is still working one-on-one with the assistant city administrator as well as working with um the mayor to try and make sure we're following the guidelines um i think they have a meeting set up i think at the end of this week or next week to hi you want to jump in here council members sure i spoke to mr fournier well i've been trying to chase down the details of all this uh for a little bit so it was just kind of i think digging through some inboxes uh and i talked to i i finally spoke was able to reach um mr fournier and he's he has a meeting tomorrow with staff and i really

011press upon um the need to finalize this before juneteenth um it's just we just we need an end date for this to happen and um he said he'll give us he'll give me an update tomorrow and i'll share that as soon as as soon as i get it on what the logistics will be like and what we can what we need to do if there's anything else that we need to do i had a quick question about the project is it planned to go on katherine or fourth at this point i don't know i don't know i only asked because when we were looking at i think it's when we were looking at the cip list of projects um and maybe i just know this because our my office is on 4th ave that's supposed

012to be reconstructed within the next i don't know five years and so i wondered the impact if it went on a road that's scheduled for reconstruction how that would happen i'll ask i'll call i can call john in the morning and double check him and ask that question um i think they were just trying to figure out which office if it was under it was under for a while we were talking to um the attorney's office and now it's it's back to the administrator's office and i also had a meeting with mr dahony too so he has a heads up that this is working but i can ask i can ask where exactly they're they're looking to put it right now it's just confirming who's responsible yeah i think i the last time we spoke

013i think the project was on hold potentially just because of the winter months and not being able to to plan the actual facilitation of of getting it together so thank you for that update lin i mean the city administrator's office says they're they're definitely looking to make this happen great it's been too long oh and i also asked um mr fournier to speak with the library since we've got some folks here who have murals at the library so there's there's definitely a way to to get this done in a timely manner we have a good example right there at the library so um no excuses so we'll we'll we'll get this moving great thank you recording in progress uh any more discussion on on that piece of old business all right then i think we

014can move on to the next um the next piece of old business that we had benita do we have something else on the docket we were all set with old business okay you want to go to the report yes let's go ahead and move on do you have the update or you want me to go ahead and i can that would be great i'm sorry okay yep no worries i'm so sorry that's okay so the first update we have here is from the water treatment plant stairwell project this is just an update from staff on where they are um sarah you are you on that panel yes i am so um the final four um muralists have submitted uh their work and we will be meeting um to decide on um on the final project

015uh this coming thursday the 10th um so that project is moving forward um and we have some really again great submissions um and we're really excited to move forward we met um kind of in between getting these submissions just to talk about preparation of the wall itself um and you know just kind of reaching out to uh to all of our finalists um on how they would like the wall prepared um the water treatment plant has um is working with a contractor that you know would be prepared to give more of a flat surface as opposed to these kind of cinder block um walls that it that it will be painted on um there's an opportunity uh within that building process to actually change the wall itself um so we ended up just giving that

016option over to the muralists um in terms of getting that wall prepped in certain ways so having that uh just be a part of that conversation so they've submitted um information about that as well because they're doing quite a larger project uh you know in terms of updating the plant um so we look forward to meeting on thursday and making that final decision thank you next we have the city flag redesign project this is again just an update and council member song i think you have seen this before this is another one of those items that we're still needing some feedback from mayor taylor um we were charged to do it at one point and then it seems like it kind of was pulled back so we're still interested in doing this if if there's

017a way to find that out yeah i think i mean i think we really need to work more closely with mr dahony and and kind of getting that through because he seems like he's just it just makes more sense to have him help coordinate staff on this um so i'll i i'll task myself with asking mr dahony what are next steps because i don't think i'm not really sure if christopher has anything else to do besides saying it would be nice to have okay yeah yeah okay who mr honey is oh he's our new city administrator he's amazing so he um he suspects he came in uh earlier in the fall was uh trained by our first black city administrator was mentored by him um mr dehones from louisville kentucky was the city administrator for

018cincinnati um just came from a similar position in arizona so he's managed much larger cities um he's fantastic so uh he's he's just a great executive great uh just getting things done so he's unflappable um it's yeah i think he's starting to understand uh how we have this long wish list of projects in the city and um he's been able to kind of mobilize the right folks to to get things going um so instead of just leaving it on christopher's plate or for things to languish in in an email inboxes um it's been helpful to kind of give mr dahony a heads up and see who else we can engage and get things going but yeah he's wonderful we're really lucky to have him here in ann arbor thank you councilmember i think there was

019um some discussion on the flag redesign project in terms of what working group that was assigned to i think we had initially put that during our december meeting under the outreach working group but there was some discussion about moving that to the special projects working group so i just wanted to um kind of bring that um back up um because i we did add that to the annual plan um and i just want to confirm uh that we have a consensus on which working group um would take that project on once once we're ready to move forward with it we're finding a huge overlap between outreach and special projects both in personnel and what we want to work on yes i mean i think it could really fall under either i remember the conversation in

020december about putting it under outreach was because um the outreach working group had kind of absorbed the youth outreach uh working group and there was um some discussion around the flag redesign being targeted specifically to youth um in our community as well so i just wanted to bring that back up to make sure we have it under the right uh and next we have upcoming commissioner appointments um we have sophie david and peggy um i know that both sophie and peggy have submitted their reappointment applications to the city clerk to continue and maybe i should let david say this part because i don't want to be the bearer of bad news david you want to let everybody know what you've decided to do um yes i'm not being reappointed we do have some applications um

021on file and some new folks have submitted applications and i know that um both sarah and jamal uh have received copies of those um i'll reach back out through the city clerk to see if we have any additional um prospects coming up and then we would if sarah and jamal if you've looked at the handful that you have already if you'd are interested in a couple few people maybe you want other folks on the commission to take a look at them and then maybe have some conversations it might be nice to actually at least get someone else placed in missing one spot right now with david gunn will be missing too so um let me know how you want to work that out yes thank you i think there were two at least one with

022with a high recommendation if not two um so we can definitely keep that moving forward and we're sorry to hear that david uh you are such an amazing member of this commission um and how many years have you been on the on the commission um i don't know if it's five or six basically two terms what are you what are you officially stepping down david uh i don't know vanita is at the end of may or something or beginning of may okay i think the term nancy anime yes we'll miss you thank you we will and and i would be open to continuing to work on cip or something else like that if you need kind of regular citizen involvement we we will always say yes to that offered yeah right so um thank you

023again so much and again sorry to see you leave but uh yeah right right not yet we have you for a couple more months all right so we will definitely work on looking at some more um some more applications in the meantime and i think it would be a great idea to maybe bring this to a larger group too and i remind your teachers if you have folks who are interested they can always go to the city clerk webpage go into the public art commission and you can do an application there online it takes you right into the site to to produce an application if folks are interested yes and that actually brings me to um a great new resource that benita shared with me um uh earlier today actually about um just getting involved

024with the city in general um vanita can you speak to that resource a little bit more that new um web page yep it's uh really the public engagement um we've got a public engagement committee here at the city we have approximately 35 members dealing with equity diversity city challenges and how to help local citizens and residents understand what's happening in the city of ann arbor so the engagement team recently came out with a new site that allows the public to go in and look at things that are happening with the city gauge interest and what they may be interested in participating in um so i shared that with sarah and i can certainly share it out with everybody um just as an information item so there's something you're interested in doing if there's a task

025that you'd like to be assigned with some of the different groups throughout the city working tiers it's just getting started but there are quite a few options out right now if you're interested so i can send that after we meet this evening so you can take a peek at it that would be fantastic anita i visited the page and it's just a wealth of resources um so great thing to look at yourself and with any of your networks yeah what we were finding with the engagement committee is that um folks were um folks were not sure where to go um whether it's i'm hearing the information from a local church or from a community center or just a neighbor um after discussing that within the committee group um everybody just seemed to be on the

026same page that we really just needed one location for everybody to go um the city does have different tiers within our website if you're interested in engineering well you can probably go directly to the engineering page and and click an interest link there but for folks looking for other opportunities um so we're excited and eager just to get that out to everybody so pass it on it's going to be a really good resource to find out what's happening and what's moving around here in the city my last item is somewhat along the same along the lines of the um agenda uh committee um and let me just go back through this here one second we want to make sure that we did this last year you know the agenda item that we submit every year

027um what i haven't been able to find and i have to apologize is we submitted um a council an item to council for the public art commission what i thought i shared at one point maybe it's been a while since we've seen it but i shared at one point a a list that was prepared by the city administrator's office that doesn't generally clearly define what our ask was as far as the public art commission i think there is a blurb within the most recent submittal that says promote um more art and be accepting and of creation of more art within the city and so my response back to the city clerk was to clarify what happens when we look at looking to make this exact same ass um for this next year coming up because

028we didn't get anything back from the administrator's office whether our at where we were accepted or what's moving forward does that mean there's a pot there's a portion of funding that we get um to use for the commission to move forward our ideas um so i'm sharing this test so you know that we've got a deadline coming up and we probably will need to get a little bit more information before we submit an item for the public art commission what do we need to gather or provide or tell them i mean this is something we should be bringing to you um i am going to gather what we submitted and i think this is i think this may be two years i i don't i think we last submitted this almost maybe at the start

029or middle of coven at some point so i'd be willing to get a small group together if you'd like and pull up our prior documents and then we could go from there and look at adding something to the next agenda but we also would need to meet the march the 31st deadline so vanita is this the letter that we put together with ali asking for funding yep okay yeah so deb and ollie and i put together a letter asking for a certain amount of funding which we all discussed at a couple meetings about how much we wanted to ask for in order to do the work of promoting the art collection um and just never heard anything back really um well is this a good time to talk about the arpa funding and i don't

030know if everyone's seen the draft allocations for the federal relief arpa funding that the city administrator had published last week uh so the the the draft uh so far that will go before that's already public to council but with more details will be coming from the city administrator on march 7. it's proposing an allocation of half a million to the arts um and i'll just read this paragraph if you don't mind says we have heard loud and clear from the arts community that they would like to have a portion of these funds dedicated to artists who have been the most adversely affected by the pandemic so we would propose the city create a grant program award up to ten thousand dollars to artists to pursue an artistic endeavor that would be displayed or performed in

031the city of ann arbor this would be direct payment to artists rather than to art institutions nonprofits or businesses uh my condition this is mr domini would be that we ask a local arts organization to administer reward process um so uh that that's that's being proposed by mr dohoni with more details on march 7th and then a final council vote on these allocations and approving federal funding for a number of projects everything from unknown crisis response universal basic income and then the arts will be on march 21st so you have we we have dec pollock i think to really thank for for her outreach and then you'll see in and all for this this memo um they mr dahony and staff had also included her emails as examples of the kind of outreach um that

032came to council and came to staff she i went to a number of the community engagement meetings that staff had hosted and deb was there she was she was at a number of sessions uh as well as social service agency directors so you know it was an interesting situation where folks had to speak to everything from food gatherers to the arts um and how the city should prioritize this this pandemically funding that's great to hear that that's moving forward and um allison had shared um that email with with the group and i think when we met for communications we discussed it um there as well so i'm really glad to hear that deb is is pushing it forward um and and it will be discussed yeah so if the commission itself has anything an addition

033to say then um it'd be a good time to advocate for council you know on march march 7th our first meeting of the month before we vote on the 21st if if you want to make a statement or um i don't know you know say that you fully endorse this allocation or if you have any recommendations on its implementation um that would be really helpful i think to mr tahoni um and for folks who will there'll be there'll be considerable data table on what this means because this is the only area that was particular to an industry or sector whereas you know most of the other allocations were for infrastructure or new programs that wouldn't receive funding from the general budget um so this was and then the size is pretty considerable too i mean

034that's half a million which is the same amount for community and law enforcement data platform that's the police oversight commission has been asking for um you know traffic stop data and more accessible traffic or police data so um this is this is a big allocation uh and the 100 000 to liberty plaza improvements so half a million is it's a pretty pretty good chunk of money yeah that's very significant so we'll all i can definitely draft something i can send to you and i can um you know try and get that to you this week i can send it uh to the fellow commissioners as well just to take a look um make sure everything looks good and and we'll definitely um add a statement to put behind that and i would echo kind of

035what you were saying about having it be administered by an arts organization um i mean staff could definitely do it as well but someone who i think it should be clearly defined what an artist is and who qualifies and i think we as a commission have talked a lot about including musicians and performance and all that as a part of art so be open to seeing lots of artists types of artists supportive absolutely it would still definitely be an option for it to be housed here within our own finance department oftentimes this is just my opinion when we send those out to have somebody else administer it we're paying them money to do that so um if there's any kind of way that it can still stay in house and be done through our finance

036department which we already do have some funding line items set up um i i kind of agree with allison just just to toss it out there so it doesn't get a portion of that money just goes out to somebody else for and and in any case too anybody looking to um receive some of that we still want folks to be able to come through the our commission to ask for those funds and receive those funds um so it will matter how it will be there internally or externally okay so we can definitely we'll draft something and i can send it out to everyone for any edits before um submitting to you when and we'll try to get that to you this week thanks sophia something to say oh i'm sorry i can't see all the

037hands sorry sophie go ahead yeah i was just going to ask should we be proposing uh putting together a group of organizations and either under our aegis or joining everybody together to um to decide to help decide how the funding should be issued or suggest ways it should be done i mean it's quite it's quite complicated and um and we want there's a there's a balance between trying to make sure well half of it's trying to make sure that people know it exists and encouraging them to apply but then you have to decide how it's going to be distributed which is really quite difficult and so i don't know what we would suggest have we got a suggestion how that should be done and what organizations might be involved and stuff like that can i

038maybe it would help if i gave an example of another another um funding project which would be um universal basic income the uvi program and the idea is to ali we're allocating a month to folks who meet a certain um criteria over a period or three years um and then the discussion so far so nothing is actually uh operationalized this is just kind of a drafting of where the money is going to um be prioritized the implementation part hasn't been decided yet but so far discussions have been who who our partners are on ubi would be potentially uh the county um the in our area community foundation and we've already talked about like all three have this effort if there would be an rfp process um so that wouldn't be three separate entities administering three

039different ubi programs um but nothing it's it's just so early in discussion we can't steph can't really do anything until council votes for approval for this allocation and then they can get to those details but um having that kind of rough direction beforehand helps helps as we debate because this will a lot of details for these programs will be debated on the 21st when we when we vote on it um so if we can similarly follow the folks who advocated for ubi or even the money for coordinated funding for social service agencies where agencies are preparing information saying you know plea thank you for the allocation this is this helps us considering that we have two to three times um the number of service requests during the pandemic just having those kind of um data

040points and reference points for council and staff uh to think as they kind of finalize all the details would be really helpful and just you know if you can send that before the 21st then we can uh debate then we can have an informed debate on that versus um i guess uh just speaking to our favorite projects that we've individually advocated for so nothing's written in zone because we still have to vote for it but you can definitely send ideas and how you would like it to be written in stone or painted and at this point what's proposed doesn't have any money for nonprofit arts organizations it's just artists right right right and it's it's a rough it's something you can see on the on the memo it's there's big draft across across it um

041but if you let it move in a different way you know the arts commission is saying great initial idea but other cities do it this way we would recommend it go doing this other route this would be the time to say it because meaning is right odds are if we put it out for an organization there'll be an administrative cost right um yeah those are those are those are important details i don't know if we have the capacity to manage a grant's program i don't know if we've done it in the same way before or at this size i don't think we've done a half million before oh you're a mute vinnie i kind of knew i was still on you because i i was coming from the standpoint of we can do it we

042can figure it out okay okay so we'll we'll gather some data points then and put together a statement and get that to you then thanks thank you and that's all that we had for staff and now we are on the um committees working groups okay so we can start with the cip working group david do you want to take the lead on that one sure um we have we probably have to spend a fair amount of time on this we've got two reports for you one of them is basically an update on projects that were previously approved by council [Music] where we're just giving you an update um a lot of projects have disappeared from the cip um because of things like train stations that were in there for a while and are gone um

043a number of them let me get get to the right ones um a number of them just haven't happened yet and there are some projects that have moved forward but without art in them because they were projects that were funded by you know through the dda or through the housing commission or something like that where council has officially approved artistic enhancement but the council's say really doesn't have any say over those projects so um nothing has happened with them so there's really not a lot to report in that respect the second document is more important that's our annual report of new items in the cip or items that we have not previously recommended for enhancement so there are four new items that we are recommending for enhancement [Music] fire station number five replacement which is

044up on north campus of u of m it's a city fire station but it's on north campus property they're built tearing that one down and building a new one some tennis and basketball court renovations where we're talking about probably painting murals on the courts downtown alley improvements it's not really clear exactly what that is but we thought that might be worth asking for enhancement in conjunction with what the art center is doing in the alleys and then briarwood mall ponds is a stormwater project that we thought might have some potential so most of them the fire station is a good size project most of them are small but those are the ones we are recommending to add that same memo also has a list of things that we approved last year they were presented by

045to council in the march 15 2021 meeting but i have not been able to find any uh anything in any minutes saying that they were actually approved by council and deb gosselin the cip person from the city had no record of being advised that the council had approved them for enhancement so we believe the council never actually voted on them they were just provided them for information which is not the way it's supposed to happen unfortunately so we're trying to get those resubmitted this year and hopefully we can actually get council to vote on them but first we need your recommendations to move these forward all right we have a recommendation to move them forward i will certainly move fantastic thank you alison and i believe we have the final drafts of the cip report

046um ready to go right david yeah the i mean the drafts that were included with the packet that venita sent out this week were were the ones that we um that our committee worked on right so they're ready to to go to council then and be voted on yep perfect once we all approve them now so we have to do a motion like any discussion and then all in favor yeah all right so any discussion all right and then um thank you david yes thank you and uh then a uh vote to approve raise my hand all right all right wonderful thank you we can check that off the list thank you so much david and allison and then we have our outreach working group anything to report all right so you want to take

047the lead yeah let me just um get this up okay i'm assuming you can see me i can't see you um the outreach group met in january and try and make this thing small [Music] yeah the outreach group met in january and we went over what the the things that we'd already agreed that outreach work group should be doing kind of brought them down to these bullet points raise awareness of the art commissioner's work stimulate discussion of public art in ann arbor facilitate public art making especially but not exclusively by youth inspire and solicit ideas and projects from individuals businesses and organizations and encourage and normalize ownership and buying by the public of an albert public art and um we we were inspired by the monument labs projects that they've done before um we wanted

048to do a survey of the community and um monuments lab is going to be visiting later this month in ann arbor and i would encourage all of you to go to the the talk by them which is part of the penny stamps lecture series but marionetta was going to describe some of the things that that they've done and what we could do similarly uh so i would like to hand over to my editor okay i'm not too technically savvy but if i hit the share screen let's see i have when i hit the share screen i get a notice that says the host has disabled screen sharing vanita does she need to be promoted as a panelist in order to share her screen yeah when i signed on they asked me if i could join

049as a panelist and i said yes okay so we might need to do something else to allow you to share your screen vanita would it be possible to enable her to share her screen let me try again okay hold on a second she's on it okay i already have you listed as a panelist marietta yeah i i when i hit the share screen uh button i get a notice that says the host disabled participant screen sharing anita maybe what you need to do is uh you're the host can you make her the host for a few moments oh there you go oh coho good now she should be able to okay destroy my life can you guys see this we can success oh okay um so so we had interesting um peggy and sophie we

050had interesting discussions and it's really interesting venita that you bring up this uh public engagement committee because that's kind of what we talked about this whole idea of public engagement through public art kind of spearheaded our conversation so most of us when we think about public art we think about murals and statues in the landscape that beautify our surroundings but oftentimes our engagement with those things are passing we're driving by or walking by and we only notice them at a moment's glance and um there's been a whole new conversation among artists and activists um they're trying to reimagine kind of what public art might look like that really spurs public engagement and so um we started talking about that and and so sophie mentioned uh monument lab um one second that's doing something wrong here

051um how do i if you go along the the um menu at the top you can get the slideshow okay let's see i was looking for it oh yeah gotcha i see it it was try slideshow there you go is that better okay yep yep okay so now um so the monument lab um is actually coming uh to ann arbor on the 17th st patrick's day i don't know if that's going to be a live uh presentation or whether it will be zoomed but it's been sponsored at the michigan theater uh by penny stamps and a monument lab is a non-profit public art and history studio that's based in philadelphia and they've been working with artists and curators and activists and educators and civic organizations to rethink the ways that we think about monuments and

052public art in 2017 they teamed up with a mural arts philadelphia an organization there to produce a citywide exhibition organized around the central question and that question was what is a is appropriate what is an appropriate kind of monument for the current city of philadelphia they engaged 20 artists um commissioned them to create a temporary um monuments throughout the city uh they engaged five different city squares five neighborhood parks and um essentially had a public art extravaganza kind of like a biennale uh all throughout the city and also in some satellite kind of locations and um so a couple of the artists i'll show you uh tadia did a monument to new immigrants it's a statue of an immigrant child the child is unkind of unmarked by race or gender or ethnicity um but it's

053made out of material so that the monument over time disintegrates um and so there's a kind of time element to to the piece hank willis thomas uh did a huge kind of afro pick uh and planted it right in the spot where uh the statue once stood of the philadelphia mayor frank rizzo who was a very controversial kind of character another artist sharon hayes did did a piece she was really concerned about the absence of women in public spaces and um did this piece call if they should ask where she had empty pedestals engraved with women's names um famous women from philadelphia their names on on these pedestals um and so some of the sites actually just became uh places for impromptu community gatherings readings poetry readings musicians would play a set so the public

054art actually kind of encouraged people to engage with it in in some in some meaningful ways at each site they they set up these kind of modified shipping containers and they asked the public to fill out questionnaires about what they thought would be an appropriate monument for philadelphia there were lots of suggestions someone suggested that there needed to be a monument for black american soldiers someone else thought that there should be monuments or a place where jazz performances could happen someone else said that they needed to have a statue that um celebrated man ray uh the sculptor since he was from philadelphia other people talked about disability access to public art so um they really have spurred this conversation with the public about public public art they they then uh did another project in st

055louis uh where they teamed with the st louis museum called public iconographies and in this project they worked to build an atlas of the city marking traditional and unofficial sites of memory throughout the city so residents were asked to identify existing monuments potential monuments and monuments or landmarks that have been erased from history so they mapped all of this so what what you see here uh they over over a thousand places were mapped and those places in green are those monuments in the city that have been recognized those places in blue are places that are existing without recognition gray areas or those places that were demolished or erased and the red areas are the citizens proposed monuments so if you notice the kind of red line here one of the proposals from the citizens was

056that they wanted to have an art walk along the waterway there in st louis so they really were engaging um the community about their public art monuments and projects and what what was missing and what um what was valuable um they also um talked about uh the they also mapped sites like um hop alley which was a a strong chinese community there in st louis and mill creek valley which was an african-american community and native american mounds historic mounds they wanted citizens wanted those places even though they were erased to be to be recognized by the city another group um a two-person collective actually uh based out of boston um is doing some interesting things they're really they call themselves the department of play and they're really interested in establishing temporary play zones um throughout

057the city that inspire intergenerational play and encourage kind of imaginative thinking and world building um and so they staged these kind of pop-up um temporary exhibitions throughout the city most of the time in kind of empty spaces vacant lots um sidewalks or or plazas where they engage engage people um to participate in making art or doing something kind of creative here they have cut out foam pieces that they asked folks to to build a structure so they are really interested in engaging people with actually kind of creating on the spot temporary sculptures they're also really interested in in this idea of bringing communities um together and exploring play as a as a kind of medium for forging kind of positive social relationships this uh particular park uh in in boston is really a contested site

058um it it borders two neighborhoods one that is becoming more and more affluent and one that is is having lots of economic problems and so the big snow day they decided to engage the citizens of both of these neighborhoods together to work to build a snow fort so they're really interested in using um public art and public engagement to spur conversations uh with with their citizens and then the last project that i'll talk about is a project that's done by an artist named sonia clark it's called the solidarity book project [Music] she put out a call to people to choose a book that has taught you something about solidarity and she she asked for three three responses you could choose a book uh and alter that book you could read a passage from from that

059book or share a reflection from that book and she then invited people to um to share those things so if you chose a chose a book she would send you a pattern and which would allow you to actually sculpt this this fist on the the edge of the book and um so as you can see people then got a chance to talk about the their books but also kind of an art project as well and so all over the world people responded to this she's from amherst college so she got the college to um agree to match a dollar amount for every submission so for every person that sculpted a book uh they donated a hundred dollars for every person that shared a reading they gave fifty dollars and for every person that did a

060reflection about what they thought about the word solidarity they gifted 25 so over the course of the project they raised a hundred thousand dollars which they then gifted to non-profits that were serving um black and indigenous communities to support literacy so it was a really interesting uh project and then she uh then took those books um and displayed them in the amherst library and i had an event where students came and read from different parts of of the books that they they had um engaged with so so these are just uh a few uh ideas um that we could have talked about in terms of what could we do i know that we we already have like festivals and there are things that happen uh already in ann arbor are there ways that we might

061also think about art not it's just something that you stand back and look at but are there ways that we might think about public engagement with the art that we have or thinking about other projects that could happen like pop-ups that would engage the public in in in our public art in ann arbor thank you veneta for walking me through this wow marionetta that was amazing thank you so much for that presentation um that is really inspiring um about the function of public art and all of these amazing projects um it sounds like the outreach group has done some great work over the past few months um and i mean we want to be a support in any way um you know that that that we can for these projects going forward i will definitely

062be attending the monument lab meeting for sure um do we know so we don't know if that's in person or i can i can double check uh as far as i know they were planning for it to be in person but i haven't had the follow-up but i can check can they let us know yeah thank you i had a few more things to add from from our meeting so uh maybe if maybe vanita i could share my screen also would that be possible can i try it just easier if i can do both things at once okay um these are just uh the notes that i took from my meeting so marionette was talking about the survey of the community and all the other events that and projects then we wanted to co-op volunteers

063uh happy to add expert or just keen volunteers we're thinking about would it make sense to join with the special projects group in the outreach group together um we have quite a crossover of membership with uh i mean they're just small groups each but peggy and i are on both of those so that was something that might work for several things and save people going to quite so many meetings possibly um then there's engage with youth so peggy suggests partnering with the art center and i think that that the art centre were holding off on something that peggy was was suggesting that we collaborate with but perhaps in the future that we'll be able to go on and do some more collaboration with them and their youth work uh peggy did you have anything to

064add on that particular one no we were going to for youth art month we were going to move forward and print a book um well there's a murals book that the ann arbor arts center printed and we were going to print additional copies of those to give to students for youth art month but we decided that it was just too expensive so the art center has made really nice copies that are eight and a half by eleven so teachers will just print them out on their own um but we are planning to have uh we're to showcase ann arbor public school artwork on the main street area association website and we are going to have we decided for youth month because covet is still lingering and as much as it would be nice to put

065our downtown people didn't feel comfortable with it so for the month of march teachers are going to present lessons on the murals on ann arbor and then we're going to have a mural designing contest the mural is not actually going to be painted but we're going to have kids design their ideas for a mural on a certain building and then i'm not on that committee to pick the winners but they'll be cash prizes for elementary and middle school high school students so we are engaging from youth art that's it okay um we discussed briefly the activating the leadership forum which so far as i know nothing's happened with yet but uh we're going to give that some future thought and i don't know if anyone has any thoughts on that currently um alison or anyone

066sorry you got me pulling up notes for a different um section of our agenda what were you actually asking me um well we were talking about with the outreach we were talking about activating the leadership forum at some point seeing what we could might do with them i don't know if there's been any discussion around that in any other group um is that still its own working group it's no longer its own working group i believe i think that um ended up going under the leadership working group um but the discussion i remember about activating the leadership forum was to talk about um getting more volunteers on our working groups particularly for um certain projects um where you know we're trying to avoid quorums right so actually to go back sophie um to your earlier

067point about um the outreach working group and the special projects working group kind of melding together the only issue right is is that four is our is a quorum so if we have over four people technically we're not we're not supposed to do that so we were looking to you know potentially start activating that leadership forum by looking at those names and reaching out to people to maybe come on to some of these working groups um to help with particular projects um that's my memory if anyone has has a different memory or something to add about a way to activate the leadership forum now's the time that's also what i recall is that we were saying that we could um rather than have an entire group that we are looking to reach out to um

068that we're just kind of looking at that list and saying well this person would be really good say for our communications working group because they have a background in marketing or whatever and inviting them to participate in that working group and then potentially that network of people who we engage with at that point could um at some point be create be that um leadership working group it's that name isn't accurate i don't i something forum was what we were calling it um that was it the leadership forum though i don't remember it being called leadership forum i remember it being something else but i could be wrong because leadership implies they're leading us i thought it was more of like uh they were um i don't know i could be totally wrong i don't remember

069i agree like supporters not we didn't use the word supporters but like supporters of public art or something yeah i don't think it was leadership but i would have without digging through old notes i don't remember what they were called at any rate i haven't created the forum they're all it's been created as a list of people who could potentially advocate for us or help us in some way and those people will be great list of people to actually add to your working groups if you need some people with some specific skill sets but by all means if the outreach work group has any desire to take that on they're welcome to does everyone have access to that list of names i recall sharing that recently at least with jamal and i believe marianetta um

070but does everyone still have access to that list or is that something that i should send out to the group again um just so that we all have it and maybe we give it a a name refresh i kind of remember it being the leadership forum and you know what i'm looking at it right now it's called the leadership forum so i'm just crazy tonight sorry but we could definitely you know give it a little rebrand um in terms of the name um but does everyone have that list i don't i haven't i don't i don't know this okay when i will definitely send you that list so you have access and you can of course also add anyone that you think would be really useful um and you know what now that we're kind

071of thinking about using this as a an activation process i believe that um we did a kind of a brief description of at least a job title description of what that person kind of specializes in so we you know maybe we can take a look at the list we've created any submissions that that you submitted maybe taking a look at those names and making sure that there's kind of a description of sort of skill set or job title or something like that would be helpful maybe in terms of uh reaching out um and i believe that the name of the person that submitted um that person for the leadership forum is on there as well so if you have any questions you know who to to contact um but i will definitely you know i'll

072just go ahead and send it out to the group again um and we can take a closer look at that i just had it open so i shared it with um commissioner's song perfect thank you allison does marinetta have it in jamal i i i have it okay great okay so um the other thing we just discussed was the having a series of pop-up events and we were just kind of brainstorming here what else we might do uh [Music] public webinar conversation with the golden paintbrush award winners ask if they have ideas for pop-up events and other public art event art projects or just asking them about the projects they did just things i don't know veneta seemed to think we couldn't put this on the website per se but it would be nice if

073we could get it up on the um the city's twitter feed or something i don't know what the city has but so that there's things that people can go to and and find out about what people are saying about their own art projects within the city or other art projects within the city so there's a little bit more communication and back and forth um [Music] so we can't do the web page or the instagram feed i think but uh maybe we can try and find another way to to put things out there like you know interviews and pictures and stuff like that the the city flag as soon as that goes ahead we want to try and be ready so that we can uh discuss what it is what parameters there are whether we're suggesting

074to the city administrator where the city administrator is suggesting to us or a bit of both what the parameters are for how the design should be and um whether if we're having youth designs whether we need a professional graphic designer to to make the design to clean it up to make it a little bit more professional looking um there's also a ted talk apparently on good flag design i can't remember who suggested that but perhaps perhaps you could be googled or someone can who knew it where it was can can let us know where that was i think john shared that sorry who did you say allison john gutarsky okay okay we might be able to just search it so i'm i was just thinking that you know we need to have everything ready so

075that as soon as there's a yes from the mayor or city council that we're kind of ready to go rather than having another couple of months go by which is so easy to let happen yeah i'd like to see us be ready to go with that in the fall i think that'd be a good time to launch it so hopefully we can get approval and move forward how do i get out of here stop share there we go great okay good thank you everyone thank you sophie and uh and marionetta and peggy um you guys did a lot of work and um and these are all great ideas that we can can keep working on and honing in so so thank you so much do we have sarah you're muted again sorry guys i just

076wanted to say thank you again to our outreach working group um for all of their hard work over the past two months you had a lot to report on and really really great content um very inspiring thank you um and then i think we can um move on to our special projects working group um which we did meet um sophie did you want to take the lead on that or i can um well i have a another sheet of minutes here if you'd like me to quickly run through that sorry yeah if there's anything you wanted me to screech to halt while you say something exciting then that would be great okay let's do that again okay can everybody see that okay um yeah so this the a b's and c's of the the list

077that we put together before i think in december um continue with the golden paintbrush award of course um seems to have gone well we might be a little bit more efficient next time as well now that we've done it expand the public art tour to include non-city public artworks we were just discussing this again this is the kind of a brainstorm um maybe even include a bit like that monument slab uh survey that marionetta was talking about have people in the city say what they think are monuments that they would like to recognize or should be monuments or used to be monuments so that we could make a map like that one it seemed to be something that people enjoyed engaging with and it came out with some some interesting ideas and inspirations um so

078vinita was saying the current collection includes city owned art but this would be kind of a separate project from the official city-owned art art tour so that's just a project we could work on we'll decide which way to go with it according to what else we're doing probably find more ways to include performance art city celebrations um i think jamal was leading discutant on this one um i don't know whether we should or could or would get involved in festivals which seems to be going very well with jennifer goulet west park bandshell is in need of or is under repair but it's a wonderful thing and we thought it would be nice to not only have that repaired and think about ways we could advance the use of it but also maybe even have another

079one on the south side of town or another part of part of town and to liaise with the parks department and talk about that another thing we thought about was the water treatment plant mural whether we could get some kids from the schools to to sing some watery songs to go with the unveiling ceremony um again that would probably be something for the fall i don't know peggy i was it's involved in that idea because obviously she's our school's correspondent and jamal was talking about the youth alliance jamal can you actually i'm in on that one um so i'm a part of this group um we don't have a name yet um but we got a little bit of funding um from mcaca i think well they might have changed did they change their acronym

080recently to something else um and i believe the ann arbor area community foundation but this uh kind of spearheaded by heather martin from youth arts alliance and essentially we got to go ahead the green light to display art in our courthouse um kind of resistance art for families that have been affected by the criminal justice system so um it's it was supposed to be june it's kind of got pushed back to probably september now um but it could look a lot of different ways um actual we plan on doing like um actual art pieces on display um for a few weeks in the in the courthouse but also like live performance um um video uh pieces audio pieces being played or seen as you enter the courthouse um so it's in very early stages of

081kind of putting all that together but um i just kind of threw that out to the special project group as a potential um for you know the work that i'm doing with my young musicians with formula 74 which um i could talk about that on the next one as well but just an idea of some some possible special projects jamal that project sounds really cool one thing i would say that we found previously with the one public art project that we have within a court like an area is the security um doesn't allow the public necessarily to come through as easily as one would like so just kind of in advance kind of figuring out how you can navigate that so that i'll all feel welcome to come see the work would be ideal yeah

082for sure thank you good point jamal do you want to talk about the community high school used to be jones school thing as well here yeah um again another project that i'm involved with i'm kind of leading the uh music supervision actually i saw on our list um that we were just talking about the leadership list uh donald harrison was listed in the list uh in the list and he's doing a documentary on jones school which um currently now is community high school um jones school was an elementary school um downtown ann arbor uh up until like 1965 i believe and it was a predominantly black school that neighborhood was actually predominantly black uh like the water hill kerrytown area i actually lived there when i was um three years old back in 1983 it

083was about 50 black then um but as you all probably know it's very different now um and so donald harrison a friend of mine is doing this documentary and i'm kind of helping with the music supervision so i just kind of again threw out an idea maybe there's some way we could um connect um the potential release of this film with some performance with the screening of it um i don't know how where when it's probably a long ways away but um yeah just throwing that out there that's what i was going to ask you you're not jamal you're not any closer to knowing when the release is going to be you're still working okay yep jamal if it's uh if it's done and released and out by early october um we have that art

084fair that we do on at the intersection of ann and catherine that closes those streets so and that only goes until i think it's seven each night okay so potentially we could invite folk you could have a big screen there invite folks to sit in the streets and watch it sitting on hopefully the black lives matter bureau that could be kind of cool we can talk if that works okay i'm good oh and then yeah our film formula 734 um similar situation we are uh we just got accepted for another film festival um the north carolina black film festival um so that will again delay the actual release of the film because film festivals are very particular about exclusivity so um but once we get through this film festival process that could be a potential

085space for some live art or live performance or art display sounds exciting i'm looking forward to it um okay so just a few more things here there's uh the idea of art projects in neighborhood parks um some of the parks have had those concrete animals on like turtles and things to play on and a lot of them are like falling apart or lost their color and things like that and we were thinking it'd be fun to get some new ones implemented made created which would need obviously some kind of a budget and proposals and call for art and all that kind of thing but it would be nice to to get some animals back in our parks to for the kids to play on uh and also maybe some way that they wouldn't be definitely

086wouldn't be plastic but maybe not even concrete i don't know we might have some other ideas about what they could be made of but there's an awful lot of plastic out there that's just my thought um the black lives matter mural do we know anything about where the paint is coming from i don't know why that's in there i don't remember about it but does anybody know what that question was about i think we just talked about wanting to make sure that whenever it was done that it was done permanently so or that it would last for a while because we talked about the fact that the festive fuels mural last year it got rained out and someone's going to go to that effort to paint it it needs to be there for a while

087right right for sure um does anyone have any information about that well i mean we can look to the one in ipsy i don't know what kind of paint they use there but we might also think about some sort of security because that was that was vandalized early this summer they had to be repainted i know initially that um they were told it couldn't be permanent but then i think i feel like travis had gone through enough channels to figure out how to make it a permanent installation if i remember rightly they said they were allowed to use they were supposed to use chalk paint which doesn't last obviously but then when the paint was donated they were allowed to use that even though it wasn't chalk paint because it was donated which sounds weird

088but that's how i remember it is happening yeah well so the paint that was used in ypsilanti is actually like street grade paint and that's ideally what we would use so that it doesn't wash away like the paint at the festival's one and i think like i was saying i think travis got it all kind of worked out that that's what they would be able to use last time there was something somewhere else in our packet about the city was taking over the actual kind of supervising the painting of it which is i assume how they got around the rules saying it had to be temporary yeah i think so okay right so it's a it would be a city administrator project versus a commission project do we do we need to be able to

089contact it was just something we were asked for our support for well i think actually that black live matter mural is actually going to be a council driven initiative i think it's a council driven initiative for the black lives matter mural on how the design and the development and the setup um but councilmember song i again i think they have a meeting tomorrow to pull out a little bit more of that so we probably would have more to share next month okay great okay then the last thing here is the concentrate media is starting a program voices of youth engaging in journalism so this goes back to the idea earlier on the list about um whether we could get more or perhaps if we sit now the other group anyway whether we could get more

090uh interviews discussions uh reviews of art in the city um yeah and whether we could collaborate with them yeah i can talk into that as well yeah um um art kind of dialogue um reviews but also the the youth engagement part um youth outreach i think um i know that's probably i think that's in another group the outreach uh subcommittee but um i'm working with them around my formula 74 music project um with some young people so again i just thought that might be another um avenue to get young people um engaged in some art projects and maybe kind of the more journalistic review of some art stuff that might be a good tie-in to the discussion of the golden paintbrush award winners um since some of those winners were from the youth art month

091as well but if there was some sort of pop-up discussion if they could cover it um that could be really cool yeah i think it would be i this is one of these things where the special projects and communication seem to be crossing over but i think it would be really nice to help publicize the golden paintbrush awards that more people knew that they could nominate themselves or others for it and it became much more well known as a thing that's happening regularly because then it'll be more successful okay thank you i had a uh a good chat with lisa sobay and planning commission and um i'm thinking about parking day coming up in september i don't know if y'all remember that where um it's it's this like international effort of taking over parking spaces

092and designing them into parklets either you know sitting in a parking space and playing chess or reading books or playing music um that's coming and she had done that i think prior to even joining planning commission but uh in my chat with her saying you know maybe we can start planning that in advance and just make that really art oriented um so parking day is september 16th sorry my daughter's singing frozen in the background i hope you like frozen uh so parking day is september 16th and she was wondering who she should um lisa's wondering who she should be in touch with to kind of talk about that and see what that might look like because what we can do is um maybe work with a dda and see which parking splash which businesses would

093be open to releasing their their parking for this um i remember doing this uh before the pandemic and sweetwaters was uh had dedicated i think two to their nearby parking spots and people are able to set up astroturf and just kind of re-envision what how parking can be activated you see this in toronto and and quebec uh i'm sorry montreal too where they have pianos out in these spots for a day or mini mini golf so kind of like the pop-up events that um we saw earlier in the presentation but specifically on the theme of uh parking sounds great who did you say was uh on the council for that one lisa dish no it's uh lisa sovay s-a-u-v-e she's on planning commission um she's also a part of the art space initiative that um

094that came forward too and uh in that partnership with avalon i don't know if anyone went to that uh community outreach yeah okay would lisa perhaps be interested in giving a presentation during one of our commission meetings oh unfortunately yeah i can ask her okay let me write it's fun it's really fun um i think i brought i brought like a um lemonade to one of them one year um has it been going on for quite a while i've never heard of it before yeah parking day i mean if you google perks parking day it's just people do really fun things all around the world to celebrate um yeah parking day 2020 yeah celebrated everywhere everywhere yeah it's the third friday in september every year okay a global public purchase of the very art project

095launched launched by rebar in 2005. people across the world temporarily repurpose street parking spaces and convert them to tiny parks and places for art play and activism so if um you go to myparkingday.org you can you can see folks set up many libraries like mini cafes um little mini gardens for the day um i've seen pictures of folks put hammocks up um and you can see what they do around the world too and when we did it here in ann arbor um i think we used a lot of i have a lot of uh classical tables and chairs and benches from um just hoarding them off of craigslist and hosting um neighborhood and street um street parties here in our neighborhood so we did you know we were i was able to drop off and

096share some of those in chairs folding chairs um yeah you can you can see some kind of examples of that um so who should i can ask lisa to come and speak more to this but um so maybe we can just start from there then yeah um you can give her my contact and maybe um then i can loop vanita in if we set a date that maybe she could give a little presentation and we could do some more discussion um at a at a later meeting because that sounds like a really fun idea i i think that would be great it's really dorky people come up with really funny ways to make a parking space i think it's you know it's a great way to use a parking space more than just looking for

097one right and we can do something more so great thank you for sharing glenn sure all right so um i think we can then move on to our communications working group um we were able to meet um i can speak quickly about um some of the items we brought up uh unless anyone else wants to give a stab at it first um i can go ahead and take the lead and then um and then add on to it so uh we talked about um taking out another observer ad um for the uh golden paintbrush award maybe for people's choice award but also to just publicize nominations being opened for 2022. um so our people's choice award um voting closes march 11th so i think feasibly we're probably obviously looking at um probably publicizing nominations for

0982022 when those open again um just talking about more routine uh posting on uh social media and press releases how to implement that um we talked a little bit about again expanding that public art collection um linking to potentially the u of m collection and figuring out the mechanics of adding that whether that could be added to our tour or if that would be a separate web page um and then there are some just sort of basic updates to our website um that uh that we'd like to do jamal sort of took the lead on on talking to vanita about um ways that we can just update our website on a more regular basis again talking about uh publicizing certain events or if that would be a different web page so we're still working through

099the mechanics um of that and then coming up with um some themes for for communications um education um on our current collection um projects going on and um some call to actions so that we're getting people engaged in what we're doing um and then perhaps looking at a survey a survey of our ann arbor community in terms of um where they'd like to see funding for arts going going towards and actually it sounds like with the public engagement we're kind of all on that same page about looking to the public to see how we can spend our funding getting more arts funding so um [Music] looking at that potential five hundred thousand dollars and how we can implement that looks like it would be you know potentially also useful to maybe survey the community um

100to see how they'd like those funds allocated um uh so sarah i'm sorry uh two things one the the different categories you mentioned about things that we were going to communicate about like education and the golden paintbrush those were specifically categories we were looking at um using social media to talk about doing like a social media calendar and sending that to the communications department and hoping they would be able to send out that information for us um just to clarify and then and my notes when we talked about the survey we were specifically talking about the arpa funding and there was already a survey that was out asking how people wanted funding to be used um and we were just talking about how we thought it was important that arts and culture was included in

101that um discussion and kind of we're like glad deb was doing that outreach but hope that saying that we should probably be a part of that as the public art commission um although that ship has pretty much sailed and we already talked about that so i think we're good as far as that goes i think we're already gonna we're gonna get our opportunity to support funding going to artists so that's good um and then i think the other thing we talked about that you didn't mention which i might have just interrupted you too early was uh we so we have the leftover money to do another ad but we could also use some of that money to promote the um water tower mural opening and potentially actually pay young artists to come sing about music

102and first thing about water and stuff like that um i hate inviting artists to do things and asking them to do it for free so potentially using some of that money um to pay for that thank you because i didn't have that on my notes so but i remember talking about it um and you know that is something that i can also bring up i know that the date they're looking to reveal the mural is november 11th but as we know with construction projects in general um deadlines um are set to maybe just be changed um so as we get closer to that date um we can you know keep talking about that and the other thing that we also discovered in our discussion about um adding the u of m's collection was that the

103u of m collection is actually already very well mapped on their own websites so potentially just sharing links to those maps so that we um like kind of like vanita said we're not in the business of keeping track of their collection um nor do i think we want to get into that business so um linking to their already archived list of where all their pieces are so that they have control of updating their works but we can kind of celebrate and say hey don't forget about these other great pieces that are in your backyard as well so we didn't figure out how to do that but we did find that there they are all linked i wonder if they could reciprocate maybe we couldn't or wouldn't that would be we could ask we can always

104um but one of the things i wanted to say uh was i was listening to what sophie was saying about different ideas she had about outreach and stuff or that you guys have talked about um they play in perfectly to what we were kind of thinking about with our overall social media calendar and so um one of the things that we're kind of trying to work out is a system to regularly be sending information to the communications department at the city so that they are posting about public art stuff and so if you guys have content or ideas about what that could include definitely like feel free any of the any of the working groups if you have something that you think needs to go out or should go out like share it with us

105and we'll try to add that to that social media calendar keeping in mind that i know the city is very specific about what they will share and it has to be specifically related to something that is ann arbor city um previously when i asked like oh this artist who pre who made one of our pieces has a new piece going up can we share that and i was told no so it has to be very specific to our own collection or tied very closely to we can always ask but just keeping that in mind when you have your expectations about what they will share thank you alison david did you have anything to add we're good um yeah i don't really have anything to add my interest was in trying to expand the the art

106map um that we just talked about and obviously the city isn't gonna let us really do much of anything with that so it's kind of not worth spending a lot of time talking about well we i'm also on police oversight commission and they have their own um i mean the website's a bear uh our our city our own city website will be going under i mean the city mr tahoni was saying today that they're looking at redoing the city website probably the end of this year um there's just too much to fix so that it would look like it's something of this this century so um so the police oversight commission has our own twitter feed um you know there's also options of having a link to site or you know like a wiki of

107different artwork um so there are things that the commission can probably do without just relying on the city communications department so that you can get some stuff out in a more timely manner we had we had a facebook practice i i don't know i don't know if this is what you meant but we had a facebook page we had a twitter page uh we had a instagram i believe and we had to take them all down oh actually don't they didn't take them down they're just no longer related to the commission they are just general pages because communication said that we weren't allowed to have them yeah i guess that sounds really inconsistent with what other commissions are doing um [Music] i'll ask why and i don't know if it's if they have a drastically

108different public engagement charge maybe that's why i don't know yes is that why veneta okay i mean it is one of our charges is to do uh is to promote the collection so it's one but one of our challenges is how do we promote it without our own access to promotional tools um so which is why we're going we're trying to work through the communications department to be more active on their social media channels we're getting and we're getting a lot of good support from communications and the things that we're asking them to put out on our behalf um but it's it's part of their control and and it just doesn't seem we do see a lot of information for a lot of the other groups out there um and if the commission is just

109looking for some general location to share things regarding public art throughout the city having to go through communications for all of that makes it difficult because i think they're selective in what they want to accept from us but they've been helpful with the things that we've asked for recently so we're excited about those things have they got a description of what they will and won't post i don't know that we've ever gotten the description sophie nothing in writing right right we've had talks some discussions i think last year um about uh some sort of boundaries with what we can share i mean i think starting with the social media calendar is probably the best way to really see what will and will not be kind of accepted and approved um once we have a better

110idea of that um then you know my hope was to see where those lie yeah my hope was to give them an overabundance of information to share so that they would maybe share a quarter of it and then we would be getting some promotion so i think our next step is definitely to meet again and you know maybe come to that meeting with a few of those ideas and then we can kind of just put them together and and get them out in front of communications um so to restate allison from earlier if you have any ideas of things to share please submit them um to allison myself and marionetta um and david2 for the next two months awesome i'm sorry we should also take advantage of the golden paintbrush right now because it's an

111also an opportunity to start to to push them for a little bit more visibility and i don't think that share any ideas that you might have that you want right now to try at least just like allison said you know put 10 20 out there maybe we only get five two or one but um it's worth a shot i think that they're open to it i just don't know that communication understands from the perspective of art what we really want to do and how we want to share it seems like when we ask for information that links us someplace else they're real leery about that so things that belong to the city public art and and the initiatives here in in the commission might be a better aspect to move them and have them think

112about some of the social media things that we've asked for in the past um maybe and i'm just throwing it out there again because we've tried a couple different ways and we we get told no but um with the golden paintbrush and the success of that we might be able to open up some other kind of avenues depending on what they say and how we can do it you know you know what would be really interesting so before i ran for council i was on the library board um and i don't know if you're familiar with the summer games the library hosts and how um insanely competitive ann arborites are in collecting these points uh um has has the arts commission ever worked with the staff at the library and maybe including public art as

113part of the game you know like because i mean they they did this thing with the city before where if you visit every single city park then you get i don't know like a thousand points or something um as part of the scavenger hunt you get points if you go to josie parker's office um the who who is retiring but um maybe there's a way and then maybe there's a way to work with library staff to promote our public art um out and about on the community in a different way and besides the library they publish the uh the arts magazine right um oh gosh i'm spacing on the name right now does it matter that the mission is an advisory body within the city does that make us collectively a different type of uh

114commission i don't know i mean they work with the parks the parks folks like library works with the parks folks the city administrators office it might be just worth the conversation because i know the librarians got working on the summer game pretty pretty early and they work on it yeah parks is different because parks really truly has its own um initiatives citywide and when we talk about the art commission it just is a little different we're talking about art within the city but um they don't always see us that way so we do have a hard time trying to find a road to walk down very carefully i love the summer games idea i think that that could be a really fun connection um and if you want to connect me with somebody or i

115can just reach out to someone um that would i think that would be really fun we could do that i mean even if it's just oh sorry that's my son i have two children even if it's just to highlight the public pieces of the city i guess the city yeah it could just be our public tour it could be that they visit each other things and get you know rewarded for that that would be cool a couple years ago uh the library staff also had on their um on their on their training day um they had worked with an organization called building matters ann arbor at the time so um was that's not the training thing it's it's there's a day off where they they do like an in-service training and then they actually did

116a tour through building matters ann arbor on um the racial history of housing downtown so a walking tour um so maybe that's also another way of actually having librarians walk or public art because they're the ones who can help inform you know residents who come through the library asking for resources so that was the idea behind that effort um because at the time it was part of our black lives matter outreach and doing um you know having dei expectations for the board itself and and unbiased training for the board and not just for management but also um participating in these tradings and having growing our own understanding of ann arbor's um racial history and segregation was actually physically walking around the neighborhoods and talking about the history so they have i mean i just i

117just point that out as as an example of an organization that already has um i don't know walking tours as a consideration for staff um and i think it the idea was eventually to have it somehow accessible to the community but i don't know if they've actually gone down but it might be a conversation with staff i like doing that the library is all about my brands are amazing and there's also art in the libraries too so so that the um the ladies of the library association pays for so there's if you go through the downtown branch especially there's some really nice pieces so that's not part of the city collection but um it's in the city it sounds like definitely making some connections with the library staff in general for these you know different

118initiatives will be a great way to start um i love the summer games idea so thank you again lynn i think i think we can definitely move forward on some of those items all right so i think we can move on to fundraising and development that working group um we did not meet um so we have nothing new to report um and then we do have the i skipped one sorry the leadership working group uh jamal and i we did not meet so we do not have anything new to report uh this month and then our annual chair and vice chair renewal and election project um were recently elected so um we're all set on on that right now um so just last last minute things anything else from working groups or i think we're

119we're good to go and move on from there all right so um i think then we are ready to adjourn thank you all so much um for your time this evening um wonderful ideas and inspiration um a lot of work obviously and discussions have been going on the last two months that's wonderful to see um so uh all right do i have um a sorry what just one thing um yeah i was double checking i i think as far as i can tell monument lab is going to be live on the 17th at the michigan theater fantastic thank you marionetta and yes i should have asked if there's anything else just in general um that anyone would like to share before adjourning this evening okay we're ready for that monument lab presentation that sounds really

120great glad to hear it's uh in person too so um all right do i have a motion to adjourn so moved thank you in a second thank you sophie um so we don't vote after that right we just adjourn the meeting yes okay still getting used to it all right thank you guys so much for your time have a wonderful evening and uh we will check back in april okay thank you good night good night have a good time sophie you

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