Ann Arbor Energy Commission 1/11/2022

0016 p.m my name is john mursky i'm chair of the ann arbor energy commission as chair i'm calling this meeting to order i am participating from my airbnb in edmonds washington so welcome to the january 11th 2022 electronic work session meeting of the energy commission this uh virtual meeting is to affect social distancing and to mitigate the spread of the covet 19 virus we will conduct this meeting similar to in-person meetings commissioners during your roll call please indicate your current location during the meeting please remain on camera as you would be visible during in-person meetings also mute your microphone when not speaking public comments will be via telephone only to speak during any of the public comment opportunities please call one of the following two toll-free numbers 877-853-5247 or 888 788-0099 and enter the meeting

002id number 937-6751-6819 on your phone these numbers will remain the same the entire year for energy commission meetings this information is also available on the published agenda in the public meetings notices section of the city website on the broadcast of this meeting on ctn channel 16 18 t channel 99 and online at www.a2gov facts.org backslash watch ctn missy could you read the land acknowledgement i acknowledge that the city of ann arbor occupies the land the city of ann arbor occupies is the ancestral traditional and contemporary lands of the anishinabe including ottawa ojibwe and botawatomi and wind out peoples i further acknowledge that our city stands like almost all property in the united states on lands obtained generally in unconscionable ways from indigenous peoples the taking of this land was formalized by the treaty of detroit

003in 1807. knowing where we live work study and recreate does not change the past but a thorough understanding of the ongoing consequences of this past can empower us in our work to create a future that supports human flourishing and justice for all individuals thank you very much would you also then take roll yes we don't need a quorum tonight but it looks like we have one because this is a working session we're not going to conduct any official business but for the purpose of the minutes if you could do that that'd be great absolutely and just reminder uh chairmanship did a great job if you could state where you're calling from uh just for notes chair mursky uh again i'm here uh uh attending from edmonds washington thank you vice chair coleman garcia uh yes

004here from ann arbor thank you commissioner mccomber here from uh my house in ann arbor thank you commissioner i am here for my house in ann arbor thank you commissioner mccoy here from ann arbor commissioner george here from ann arbor commissioner kerber mary you're muted i'm gonna say you're from ann arbor but tell me if that's not right yeah uh i'm here from auburn washington oh oh great great thank you just one second uh commissioner overpack hi i am not here from georgian bay but in ann arbor commissioner juno here from ann arbor uh commissioner hook um you're from ann arbor good evening commissioner stevenson commander councilmember radina you're in ann arbor hey councilmember breaks karen ann arp awesome uh you have a hundred percent attendance chair didn't get me wait who did i forget

005mr cleavy i'm so sorry i could never forget you but i did oh no it's easy to forgive me uh mr cleavy uh attending from my 100 solar house in harbor springs michigan right next to the ski harbor spring very good so um first step on the agenda or for tonight is the approval of the agenda uh can i have a motion or no yeah right excuse me then the minutes come after that yeah so approval of the agenda a motion to approve uh mo so moved by uh commissioner mccoy and seconded by commissioner stevenson um any discussion so all those in favor please raise your hand and say i i i think that was unanimous and then approval of the minutes minutes are posted to legistar um do we have a motion to approve

006the minutes so approved by commissioner levin second from commissioner mccumber any discussion all those in favor please raise your hand say hi hi commissioner hook um i just wasn't sure if he had a comment yeah real quick comment um i didn't see thanks didn't see any uh publication relative to the um recommendation to the com to the council on the missilization ordinance maybe somebody could brief us i saw the status of that in the minutes maybe someone could advise us where that stands and where that's headed do you want to do that now chair let's let's do it later with updates from council members that's okay and then that will be covered then in the meeting minutes as well so okay uh this is an opportunity for public comment um as you may have noticed

007um the bylaws indicate that we have public comment um for all of our meetings and so even though this is a work session um there's still an opportunity for the public to be able to call in and comment and so this is an opportunity for persons to speak for up to three minutes if you're watching on ctn call again 888-788-0099 or 877-853-5247 and enter the meeting id 937-6751-6819 this information is also displayed in the meeting agenda and the video feed city staff will select callers that have raised their hand one by one using the last three digits of your phone number you know like in order to electronically raise your hand to indicate your desire to speak please press star 9 on your phone you will hear an automated announcement that the host is allowing

008you to speak when speaking please move to a quiet area and mute any television or background sounds so that we may hear you clearly please state your name and address at the beginning of your comments are ending in one three four thank you dr stelson chair mursky this is ken garber 28 haverhill court happy new year everyone i'm calling about fossil fuels in new construction this is an area i actively follow the burning of natural gas in buildings accounts for about 32 percent of the city's total emissions strategy 2 action 1 of the 820 plan includes this assumption quote all new residential and commercial buildings are designed and built to operate without the use of natural gas end quote if we take our mission seriously then the forced air gas furnace is a technology that

009no longer has any role in new construction we had some real wins in 2021 console approved valhalla glenn lockwood senior living 2111 packard and near north town homes combined 698 all electric units plus some retail space they'll all use efficient air source heat pump hvac systems the bad news is we still get still get lots of projects that burn gas console last year approved 130 000 square feet of gas heated commercial space using eia figures and a conversion factor that takes into account upstream emissions i calculate that these buildings will emit about 100 metric ton co2 equivalent a year that will add about 1.4 percent of the city's roughly 80 000 metric tons commercial co2 emissions from gas council also approved 106 townhomes 57 single-family homes 95 hotel rooms and six apartments all gas heated

010these will emit 2200 metric ton co2 equivalent per year about a 1.5 percent increase over baseline it's not stopping planning commission recently approved the large gas heated sartorius biotech building at 3874 research park drive which will add 573 metric tons in annual emissions and council will be looking at the looking to annex this coming monday 59 acres off duverin road that will become the village with 564 homes and apartments keep these with gas as the oakland county developer intends and you get 7 300 metric tons co2 equivalent per year that would be a 3.4 addition to the city's current total residential emissions from gas combustion that's 7 300 tons every year for the rest of the century so what can we do eight to zero strategy three action two is quote working with the state

011to pass the 2021 building code and zero code appendix so that all new developments and major renovations in ann arbor can be necessary end quote the zero code appendix to the 2021 international energy conservation code requires that most new buildings be net zero carbon the state is revising its energy code this year for the first time since 2015. architect jan culbertson of the 2030 district and environmental groups are pushing the zero code appendix but the realtors and homebuilders associations and the state chamber of commerce are lined up against it i will certainly comment at a future public hearing in lansing and i hope others do the same thank you and thank you any other callers missy no other police chair yeah okay very good so um i trust that um everyone has had a chance

012to look at the agenda that is posted on legistar and what we thought we would do by the way um i just wanted to make sure that everybody understood um the way we set agendas is missy and carlene and i have a phone call um eight days before these meetings on the the monday the prior of the week uh we uh talked generally about the agendas going out um one to two months and um we set the meeting agenda at that time we've been doing so based on the topics that we brainstormed and prioritized at the beginning of last year presumably we will do the same thing this year and one of the things that we thought would be helpful is uh just to start the meeting out on a positive note is to hear

013from commissioners regarding what you thought were highlights from uh our work and the meetings that we held in 2011. so uh i would like to recognize anyone that wants to comment on that obviously we received comments in the survey but we thought this is an opportunity to maybe highlight some of those or to elaborate on any of them and no one is obligated to to talk but we'd like to hear what you felt were positive aspects of the work that we did last year go ahead commissioner me yes sorry about that um i thought one of the great things we did was added some younger members that there's a whole fleet of you on the call i see at least four faces that are way younger than me some of you well everybody else is

014probably younger than me except maybe you john but great to see the influence influx of our new members um and those that are older too as well with new different ideas i think this group is really well suited to support council going forward on energy i hope that the council looks at us and points to us and uses us effectively especially on any topics that do affect the future and um those of us that still have a few few years left in our tank to support the energy future of the city um please call on us as we can help you all achieve those goals so great to see all the new faces on our commission thanks thanks chuck anybody else colleen sorry i didn't miss you thanks john um so one of the things

015that i really appreciated about what we did last year was um educating all of us the number of the presentations that we had were very very informative and um they they helped us to get onto the same page as far as our understanding of the different um different aspects of renewable energy and and bringing us closer to our our um carbon neutrality goals it was a very very educational year last year and i'd like to see that continue this year thanks carlene any other commissioners while we're waiting for you to gather your thoughts then i'll share mine and this is really not all that original because it was something that many of us included in our survey responses but one of the things that i thought was a highlight were the presentations and the discussions

016that we had about municipalization and cca and those spawned the idea of an seu or at least partly were responsible for doing that um and also uh generated a lot of discussions about various forms of municipalization and that fed into the resolution that we passed um recommending a feasibility study and along with that resolution we also advanced a couple of other resolutions and ordinances that ultimately pass counsel and i think that we could be proud of that and hope that we're able to do that again in the coming year council member riggs concur with what everybody has already stated um and also to add that you know in addition to educating ourselves and obviously us as council members um i think it's served an important role in terms of educating the community as well i

017know that a lot of folks have i've been sharing the presentations that happened here and people have really appreciated having those as resources to dive into because you know civilization and seo are complex subjects and so um so that's been great and there's been a number of initiatives that have kind of moved on to council for um over the past year that um great you know yeah serving energy commission is serving its role as a as a strong advisory council thank you commissioner mike yes hi everybody again um today we had a meeting uh of the governor's climate solutions council and it dawned on me uh where we first saw the first glimpses of the report that we made public on friday and delivered to the governor and it made it dawned on me at

018that that we we didn't do something that was important um and i wonder if we could do it in ann arbor um at a different level and that is to do a systematic look at all the other municipal maybe not all but a range of other municipal energy carbon neutrality options and in doing so it would educate us certainly educate me and i apologize on behind the eight ball perhaps but we would understand what others are doing but also allow us to understand maybe how we fit in because part of what we need to do in ann arbor i feel is be a shining light an example a leader and that's the same thing i really was hoping from our state effort just as uh i was hoping we'd get there from the university of

019michigan i think the university of michigan plan was indeed a leaders you know it we're in a leadership role if we implement it and the other thing that came out today that it was interesting was sam stopler a colleague of mine at seas who's also on the council he's an environmental economist and he highlighted the literature for sort of energy economics makes the point that there are some technologies primarily renewable energy and electrification of everything and particularly mobility that are well developed and economically very viable now whereas there are other types of mitigation strategies that are still not at that point of being a deployable at um what will likely be the the least cost in other words we're not gonna wait forever for the cost to go to zero or something but we um

020we we there are some things that are economically make more sense now and other things that make uh economically make more sense later uh and it'd be interesting to apply that analysis to all the different things that we could do here in ann arbor and part of the reason i'm saying all this is um not only do we want to be a leader and you know maybe that's going to help propel the state but we really want to i think everyone here views what we're doing in ann arbor as the way to develop scalable ideas that then can be adopted more easily by other communities large and small and it would be interesting for us in the sort of by putting the economic lens on there that would also help there because there are things

021that ann arbor can do that some of our less affluent communities in michigan you know will never be able to do um and so what we need to do in those cases is advocate for the r d or other solutions uh that are necessary to create uh cost-effective ones um so i i'm just arguing uh arguing i'm not arguing at all i'm just advocating that we sort of get a more systematic approach to what we're doing and i love the you know 820 and building on what missy and her team and you all have gotten going um to me that is uh very cool thank you very much um i made a few notes hopefully missy captured a few things as well we can always refer back to um the video um comments uh commissioner

022cleavy yeah i like the uh the ideas that uh commissioner taylor is raised up i think that um we might want to get be a little more i guess uh fine-tuned in in reaching out and talking to other communities there are lots of programs out there uh michigan municipal league is one and there's there's other sort of green community programs and stuff um those that that have you know real teeth and metrics back nets the ones that have signed on to the mayor's climate compact which ann arbor has which requires a greenhouse gas inventory identical to what the city of ann arbor has so there's a real real difference between those who have done a greenhouse gas inventory and facts are driving the public policy and those who you know lack credibility how's that um

023bordering on green green washing um so i think the sustainability network is a great place this is a part of that um but it's easy enough to get a list of of communities that have done their the greenhouse gas inventory have signed on to the climate's climate um compact and um get a sense of what they're doing because as we're learning from watching uh what's what's happening with with cop 22 and stuff um we can make play pledges and stuff all day long i was reading today and and uh the economist about how most of the net zero things um don't really come into play until until 2040 2050 and basically all the people that are making the pledges won't be in their positions and jobs when that happens so you know don't it is

024only that small number that are doing things now and as we've seen in the last year how difficult it is to get things done we can't even get you know electrification in our buildings and it's going to be an uphill uphill struggle so i would strongly suggest that we you know take the top five um and uh look to miss you to help us identify those and see you know are there lessons learned from those groups maybe get presentations maybe even see if it makes sense to start a top five uh group of some sort special group and and uh you know see if we can highlight uh the successes that are that are happening um i think ann arbor would be at the top of the list um um because we're actually trying to

025do the hard work but um i'm tired of listening to people come up and you know talk about you know what they're gonna do in 2050 including dte energy i think those days are over let's get down and listen to people that are actually doing it find out how they manage to get it done so real really quick i totally agree with you that was something we brought up i brought up at the state meeting today too is that we have some uh near-term goals specified in the report that will go the governor but not nearly enough you know and i think it's just as ridiculous to go with even 2035 or 2045. we need to we need to know what we're doing in this decade thanks any other comments i would offer one and

026that is uh there was a webinar today on implementing a20 where both missy and the county presented and the county is drafting up its own plan obviously the county also includes ann arbor missy are you on the county group one of the stakeholders you're a speaker okay um because um peck your first your first uh suggestion was maybe something that could be done in the context of what the the county is doing and the commission and osi and others could potentially play a role in that you know obviously it's in our interest to support the rest of the county and a lot of the other county municipalities would benefit from what we're doing here in ann arbor so jointly working on that makes sense to me okay um i don't see any other hands raised

027so um we'll move on to the body of our agenda and the first thing that we wanted to review was a review of basically what is the commission's function um what is its structure and uh there the resource is the bylaws um hopefully all of you took a glance at the bylaws when we first joined the the commission and in the orientation that we've done at least the last couple of years but we posted to legistar a copy of the bylaws and missy also put together a high-level overview and missy i would appreciate it if you would lead us through that happy too thanks chair just bear with me for a second when i pull that up and um as chairmanship mentioned if you go to the legislature you can see the actual bylaws themselves

028so this is not fun and innovative presentation that's pulling directly from the bylaws uh so to start this i i was thinking about this earlier coming into the meeting and i thought it might be useful just to kind of frame the conversation and say for some of you this is going to be just refresher right like this you've looked at this you know this is what you signed on for for some it actually might feel restrictive you know like that's not what we want to be doing we want to be doing more um and for others i guess it's possible that it seems ambitious and not what you realized you had signed on for um so what i wanted to just say is what i'm going to share in the bylaws actually hasn't changed since

029the commission was formed we have made changes to the bylaws and you'll see if you looked at the bylaws we updated them last summer uh well that's when it finally got through council and really what changed uh sorry in a minute but what changed was the the purview of what the commission was really focusing on so it expanded because the world has expanded since the question was formed and we had a deep representation but the core things i'm about to share haven't actually changed uh so i just wanted to name that as we going so way too many words we always know this is true but here's verbatim from the bylaws just sections that i kind of pulled out if you haven't had a chance to review it so the energy commission is an advisory

030body to city council we talk about that a lot the commission's purpose is to advise city council and the city admin administrator on energy production and use so the energy commission as a body can and this is specifically in the bylaws we did make edits to this last year uh propose evaluate recommend and respond to energy policies and practice that practices that affect the city or its residents and again it's proposing evaluating recommending responding to council or to the city administrator recommend ways to engage the public on energy matters and encourage public action to further city energy goals the right recommending pathways to do the engagement review and advise on the ann arbor climate action plan and the sustainability framework there's an asterisk here just we updated it to include a20 since that's really the

031guiding plan so don't read that to be specific it's it's the plans that guide permeability and advise on the appropriate allocation of city resources to achieve energy efficiency renewable energy clean energy and others so this is what explicitly is called that in terms of kind of the purpose of the body and you'll see keywords propose recommend review advice other things before you leave that page i have a question and i think maybe it will help set uh or reset expectations and thoughts there is no mention here of the commission advising any departments including osi we are exclusively doing all these things um in the context of advising city council and the city administrator do you care to comment on that or does anybody else care to comment on that i think i would tee up

032our council members too but say my boss is the city administrator and so to the extent that you're working with staff you're really you know i i am in the city administrator's office for example and so osi like i see a direct connection there um but i might talk more about the process how that happens for the bylaws in a minute so i don't think that excludes it but i do think the keywords that i sort of come back to and when for those who don't know i was an environmental commissioner before i joined the study was really the the kind of leading verbs for the framing yeah and i would just say also i mean this language is consistent with even what council uses when when we direct staff on things or request things

033from staff we always request them of the city administrator because then it is his role to to to delegate that out to individual staff or offices thank you great great question thank you so much um and then i don't know if you find this as interesting but as i was reading through and acknowledging this kind of gets to process there were things in the violence that i sort of wanted to elucidate and offer maybe they're interesting maybe they're not um but things like annual disclosures are actually a requirement and to be honest i'm not sure that we do them as regularly as we should so i'll be fixing that so these are conflicts of interest that may exist um that's a separate one but it's who are you affiliated with right so that we know

034what we're bringing and we can address any conflicts and also leverage the expertise that you have kind of behind you um the chair we i know in the survey we asked about this the chair's role is to make sure that meetings are conducted in an efficient and respectful manner good job there uh that the commission can hold non-voting working meetings to carry on the work of the commission right so we could like work through it but we can't vote we do that through working groups often um all meetings this is one that we i saw in the public comment and i recognize many of you would like to change this but we cannot all meetings of the commission are open to the public and have to be conducted in accordance with the michigan open meetings

035act this is not a change the city could make this this is law friends so um we're gonna keep kind of pushing on this one a public comment is allowed at all meetings individuals can speak for three minutes on any item open for public comment and i think this is really interesting because that could mean if we're not discussing an item but the chair has the discretion to actually not have public comment on that uh although we may decide that's not good practice but i wanted to share that like there's space here and that the chair also has the discretion to extend someone's speaking time beyond three minutes so while i keep a timer if the chair were to say please allow them to continue that is completely up to the tears i'll pause because

036i see a hand raised um about the open meetings acts part i'm just curious um how like i mean i appreciate that we're still online but i'm curious as to why we're allowed to be virtual when city council has to go back in person yep because we're not a we're not a policy making body and so the state requires that those policy making boards and commissions have to be in person so that's the council and then things like the planning commission which is actually regulatory required to meet so all other bodies the vast majority are staying virtual uh at this time and if you want i can get you a more specific response uh because there's nuance there but that that's the general framework great question um and then just kind of as we mentioned

037before we can form committees and working groups so i thought it might be useful to talk a little bit about those uh and legal came a while ago some new commissioners may not have seen this uh i'll pause though mr clevy do you have a question on the last stuff before i get into this sorry um just on the last last point um so where the chairman can extend the individual speaking time at the chair's discretion um can individual members ask the chair to do that recommend to the chair to do it absolutely so procedurally what is the procedure we just say to john i think you know would you consider or something like that yeah so chair um there's no formal robert's rules that i know of on this i think it would be

038like chair can you please consider like extending that but then the the ultimate point i think here is the chair's discretion to accept that right so i think ken probably we we could have extended him for a half minute so we could have completed his thought because i thought his comments were pretty important given that the uh you know the energy code update this year and what the how that affects almost everything we're trying to do um so uh okay thank you very much yes so know that that's a tool that's available in the chairs toolbox and you as a commissioner any commissioner can recommend that um also don't fret i'm gonna pick up on ken's theme and the osi updates and tell you how you too can get involved in the state's building uh

039so we're not gonna we're gonna lose that then so then committees and working groups are actually two very different structures that exist i want to spend a minute on them because it actually is important in terms of how we support them so the commission can create standing or special committees to carry out the work standing continues as long as i mean it could be in perpetuity potentially and then special committees are very very focused so each committee has to have at least one member of the commission and of course can include non-members permission right um public uh that's at the commission's discretion as a body if you want to have a working group that is just the commissions you as a body have to decide that that is what you want they can't be one

040person's kind of will to say this is just a commission uh that's important so the body decides if they want to constrain that members of the committees are appointed by the chair and approved by the body so this is not something that i think most commissions actually uh have done recently and we we need to get back on us for our bylaws if we're forming for example the transportation electrification committee we need to be pretty explicit about who's on that uh committee make sure we don't forum issues know who's accountable to report back that's when we form so we'll probably want to do some cleanup at a future meeting and check that in creating each committee the commission uh shall this is for the bylaws consult with city staff to review the necessity of greeting

041that committee or i'm sorry that committee and whether adequate resources exist to support any this is uh again explicit language from the bylaws the creation of committees is subject to the city administrative policies and procedures you can't violate um when you become a committee uh a committee of this body pretty explicit right you are working at the behest of this body uh as a whole and you have to adhere to all the same administrative policies missy could you cover the next page about working groups and then may come open back the discussion on the two together oops whoa hello it looks like missy froze i can hear you john oh okay thanks um [Music] yeah she did i will text her so she knows thank you it looks like travis is the host now i

042just saw that message pop up it looks back in then travis are you able to um control the meeting then and pull up uh on legistar what missy was [Music] i'm presenting guess that she's gonna jump back in a second yeah she said working to get back in now okay so um while we're waiting for her uh one of the things that i wanted to mention is we have a shared google drive the energy commission has had one for several years um we've used it and referred to it in some of the orientation sessions we've been talking about a shared point drive but we don't have one um missy are you able to hear me now i am i'm sorry i'm gonna assume that that was technology allowing me to eat a bite of my

043dinner yeah yeah uh can you just share where i left off really quickly um so the last thing that we heard was um basically this slide related to committees you had yet to talk about working groups and i just brought up the point about materials being posted on sharepoint drive and that we don't have a sharepoint drive we do have a shared google folder um and i think the intent was always to move that to sharepoint um but we've been talking about doing that for roughly a year and a half so maybe you come back and cover on the sharepoint issue after you talk about working groups and we talk about the distinction between working groups and commission because i think actually the transportation electrification group is actually a working group it is not a

044um a special committee um okay and we'll we'll talk about that too um in just a second so great uh come back to sharepoint i assume then you heard the administrative policies that once you become a committee member and work as part of the board you were uh you have to adhere to the same administrative policies and procedures that i have to administer or adhere to yeah so jumping on then per cherimerski uh the committee needs to have very clearly defined tasks preferably in writing and except for standing committees that have a specific time frame in which to perform their tasks so these aren't in perpetuity the idea is to create a work plan uh be accountable to each other in the committee but also to the body itself of which you're kind of doing

045that work there uh very clearly this is from the bylaws limited to performing the tests delegated to them by the commission so when you form a committee you're giving it a call to purpose and that's the purpose of the group and the group should not move that work forward for example if they were to identify a new policy not to go to the city and start moving and advocating for that policy it is to bring it back to the body for consideration because you are a working group of this body um and say if you're you're responsible for adhering to administrative policies and procedures nothing will scare you in that space uh the commission can also create working groups or designated uh designate certain members to perform research or recommendations on a very narrow kind

046of specific topic these are really really specific time-bound kind of asks that the group may form a working group does not have the same requirements in terms of public uh meetings act as a committee would a working group might be two people who are researching on their own time maybe coming up with some general recommendations and coming back to the group so uh there's nuance here but it's an important distinction and then to kind of close out just some expectations this is for the clerk's office uh so this is not in bylaws you all do this i just want to name them that the role of all of the commission members regardless of if you're in a committee sitting on this body right now is um our objective is we should be acting courteously towards

047each other of course we're going to have disagreements on policy but the idea is let's remain civil and focus on the issues rather than our personal differences right so it's kind of centering those issues the expectation is we will arrive on time and then if you can't arrive you'll let the staff liaison and the chair know uh so that we perhaps we're not waiting for you or we understand things happen all the time feel free to let us know about that to the extent you can uh there's the expectation you'll come prepared reviewing minutes uh agenda packets and other information so that we can use our time together really wisely and effectively that you'll represent the border commission appropriately and i want to stop here and say no individual on this body has the right

048to represent this body no one has the right to go out and say i speak on behalf of the energy energy commission unless the energy commission as a body has given you that right so if you were the energy commission liaison to the environmental commission the body has appointed you and given you that right to speak on behalf of the body but you as an individual unless the body has given you that explicit right you do not have the right to go out and say i speak on behalf of the energy commission and i'm here to talk to you about how we get cheaper food and in our republic horrible example the point being um so you are a commissioner and that's important to kind of distinguish where you can speak on behalf of you

049as a resident versus the body has to give you the right to speak on half the body and be really careful because people are going to perceive you as someone who can speak on behalf of the city or this board or commission because they know that you're on that so it's really important in conversations not to leave that vague but to be very explicit when you are representing the commit the commission because that has been appointed versus when you're talking in your personal capacity but i also have to do this very very frequently and that's what i have so i'll stop there thank you very much um i'd like to back come back to the question that i posed about sharepoint and a sharepoint drive do we have access to a folder that we could

050then start to create subfolders should the need arise for subcommittees or for that matter for working groups where working groups want to have a common repository for the documentation that they generate yeah absolutely so this has this is an administrative task that i can set up if the body decides that's that's where we want to go i want to be really clear though every document created by this body is viable every document is in the public domain um so just just know that that's true anything we put in there is absolutely searchable uh nothing nefarious a foot but just want to reiterate that it's great i um if the body decides in our process chair mercury i'll create that probably yeah so maybe it would be helpful at least for me and i hope for

051others to refer to two groups that worked in the past and as i understood they worked essentially as committees i think we called them subcommittees at the time one was the subcommittee or committee working on the ann arbor lighting ordinance um that was a specific task i was a member of that for the energy commission it was uh limited in duration and scope that was well defined um i think the ev charging um ordinance drafting activity was handled in a similar way um missy and council liaisons do you see those as good examples of where committees where essentially committees were formed in line with the bylaws councilmember riggs for my part i do i think that particularly those two examples are um i mean i i'm happy to be corrected if you know there's kind

052of any different perspective from from staff um first perspective but i do think that there's um they've been great and they're actually pretty good model um committees to think about how commissions can work together and bring the expertise of multiple commissions so this is where you know examples of where energy commission was working with planning commission and that those recommendations ended up going through planning commission but really drawing upon the expertise that sits within this commission and i think that's a really great way for us to to bridge some of the work that's happening across the city and some of the expertise that exists within our within our commissions thank you missy yeah i agree with that and i want to caveat that i don't know all of the details about uh some of the

053predates my sitting on a staff liaison so it's hard for me to answer specifically but my assumption of what i know is yes they're they're really good examples i would say where it gets murky for me is now that we're moving kind of into the implementation space i don't know that we've had the we sort of admit that the point of the committee has been met drafting of the recommendations the ordinance we've seen it through and now i'm not sure like that that's where it gets a little bit fuzzier for me comments from other commissioners or council members commissioner calvin garcia thank you um so just to take what um missy was just saying as far as the committees i'm on the um transportation electrification committee and together with council member mursky we um co-authored

054and uh councilman home also was a part of that we co-authored the electric vehicle readiness ordinance uh that passed council and um so as far as once once like work is done on an ordinance we presented a commission commission recommends that to council council passes it then there's a transition period where where that recommendation is there's like a limbo that we're still kind of working our way through and i think that's where that's what missy was making reference to as far as like what happens next so like for example the lighting ordinance there's still aspects of it that need to be written into the um the development code that haven't been completed yet and so there's like a stewardship aspect of it that those those who are part of those the committees uh have continued

055to assist in and and and and you know make sure that the ordinances are fully implemented so that's kind of a gray area that i think you know we have to figure out how those of us in these committees um can understand what our are the need for us is and then our and are the desired role for us is by by a city council remember breaks yeah i think um both these committees are a good example i think with the lighting commission lighting ordinance it's actually a little bit more clear-cut it has been adopted it's in the udc um are there additional steps and perhaps but basically it's operational the the next steps are really pieces of that are that's that's the work of staff moving forward and are there going to be bumps

056along the way absolutely because we don't have code enforcement that works after night there's a whole lot of things that we can observe about maybe how we could improve as a city but um in terms of how we might see the the work of the subcommittee in that case moving forward i would imagine that that subcommittee probably um there's not a purpose for it i think i'm not sure what's happening on the electrification piece i could see if um staff asked for that commission to be that committee to continue there might be some use of it i know that as as the electrification ordinance has gone into place there's actually been there has been a learning curve and so the zoning board of appeals for example has been hearing a lot and granting a number

057of variances and so there are desires to i'm not exactly sure what's happening on the planning side of things but i know that there are some code changes happening and so um you know i could this may be able to happen entirely from staff and from our legal staff and there may not be the need for the committee um perhaps you know this is one that it's a little less clear for me i think this is where i would say that it's really important to take the direction of of staff in terms of is is there a need for an ongoing committee to continue providing advice on that um you know so i think those are my perspectives on that thank you missy carlene i think you your hand yeah okay good go ahead missy

058yeah this is a little bit of uh verbal processing so please don't take anything like i'm kind of working through this that what's super clear to me in the bylaws is that the body itself can can give purpose to the subcommittee but the subcommittee should not be creating its own purpose right because the subcommittee is not it should not exist outside of the full body and so from that standpoint if the full body were to say we collectively think there is a need for x that that that could certainly advance because as a body you're identifying a need you want to provide recommendations up to council that makes sense there's another pathway from the staff side which we do frequently as we're moving our sustainable food policy forward we form a working group of individuals

059and it's really staff driven but members of this group sit on that working group not as an energy commissioner but because they have expertise and so i think this is the transition period what is a word that is not in the bylaws is implement thank you other comments or questions so i will pose one and that is to counsel and to staff are there any examples where we have really done uh a poor job of adhering to the bylaws with regards to either committees or working groups particularly any ones that are that are egregious that come to mind okay i will take silence as golden in that case but i think this discussion was worthwhile and i would like to add one one note and that's in response to a comment in the survey we've

060hopefully made this clear at least in the last two orientation sessions for new commissioners but may not have made it clear in the past there is no expectation that people serve on committees or on working groups so it's it's not a requirement that people feel like they have to raise their hand and serve on one or two or x it's absolutely fine to fulfill your responsibilities as a commissioner just by attending these meetings um like the one we have tonight working sessions as well as regular meetings that's absolutely fine so um we can go back now maybe to um the agenda uh is before we do that does it oh council member breaks go ahead yeah i'm just processing this may come up later this doesn't so much relate to subcommittees and it's it's not

061um it's not exclusive to energy commission but maybe worth noting because of kind of the ome and the portion of our bylaws i think we have to be really careful as a commission um just to recognize that the there shouldn't be discussion between commissions in between commission meetings on email um that it should be that it's so easy for somebody to share something and that for that to kind of just desire for response and that's so easy for that to kind of turn into policy um discussion and so it happens on so many different of the commissions but um and also recognizing sort of the the position that that puts staff in as well in terms of just trying to filter all that information and figuring out what's going on so i think there's just

062just something to be mindful of and as we move forward in this year that it's it's a frustrating piece but an important piece just to keep the conversation at this table even though it moves things much slower and i recognize the problem of that and i forgot to mention i think you all pro i hope you know this your emails are followable too like doing commission business so if you did not know that please know that yeah so thank you of those reminders uh council member radina has also chimed in when we've gone outside the guardrail so i i appreciate everybody i'm reminding all of us to stay within those guidelines so now we want to really get into the meat of the discussion and i'm targeting also that we try to get done close

063to 8 o'clock and what we wanted to talk about were our 2022 priorities and what we hope primed the pump was the survey for you simply to think about in responding to it uh the the questions that were posed you know how how effective was the uh the commission um last year um what are some of the topics and things that we wanted to do um in 2022 hopefully that and the feedback that i summarized and provided to everyone has as i as i implied given you um pause to think about what we want to discuss in the next roughly hour and what we wanted to do is first start out because we are advising city council is to hear from our council liaisons if they have any particular priorities that they would like to

064have us consider as we go into this discussion and then we will turn it over to missy to do the same and then open things up with survey responses and talking about those and then hopefully get to at the end some interactive voting on the topics and the kinds of things that we think are particularly important um to accomplish in the coming year and we might take into consideration the suggestions made by commissioner peck as well as any new ones so i'll turn it over to our two council members i i don't i don't know that i necessarily have anything off the top of my head i think you know often often things might come up at council where we would [Music] think oh this is something we would like energy commission to weigh in

065on and so i think those might come in more on a rolling basis and i think to the extent that we'll just make sure that we maintain communication with with you chairmerski and and um to the extent i don't know that it always necessarily requires a formal resolution of counsel sometimes it's it's something depending on how it comes to counsel it might be something that can initiate here um and so as those things come up i think we'll just continue to communicate with you throughout um since you're setting the agenda um and then and then obviously you know i i think um some of the work that that is yet to come on some of the the the things that osi is doing um i i think as as they see fit for for advice

066as well i think they'll include you but i think missy can probably speak more to that it makes sense to me uh anything to add to that council member briggs well you know i think based on the the resolution that was passed at the last meeting i think that as we get information back on that we may you know it there may be pieces that um you know we'll have to see what information comes back there may be a need to to to wrestle with some of those those pieces um um and and providing some recommendations from energy commission we'll just have to kind of see what what comes next on in that phase um you know i i can imagine if our community passes a sustainability millage and and this would be towards the

067end of the year so maybe this is less of a 2022 more of a 2023. so um yeah i nothing you know i'm nothing in particular is at the top of my head right now i'm glad you brought up the sustainability millet millage as i made as an editorial comment in the survey response feedback um that did not come up from any of the commissioners and that's potentially something that we may at some point uh want to have some presentations on in our commission meetings so that's just something we can take going forward missy i'd like to turn things over to you and i think you also have a document prepared that you may want to show to us at this time as well is that correct sorry i got booted again i assume that

068you were asking if we have staff priorities yes yeah sure so i i put out an attachment in uh but i'll share it just in case folks are visual like me may you find it this is uh not specific to the commission i want to clarify so what when um john carlin and i spoke you'd do was kind of to frame what are the priorities of the office for the coming year and then i i wanted to share that very transparently with all of you um some of these i think there's a there's a lot of space to collaborate others are very much like in the staff landscape uh so to kind of frame this broadly i want to make sure we have stable funding for the office and the programs and i'm really focused

069on three initiatives aging in place efficiently which is 100 grant funded and that funding runs out in august so i've got to figure out how to finance that our 10 000 trees program because it's wildly successful and the bryant neighborhood decarbonization work so that's all things uh i'm writing a grant i'm writing three grants right now uh in that landscape so that's full steam ahead if you are grant writer please call me uh and that gets to the second one which is the project that i want to see just resources put into and transformation take place is the bryant neighborhood project so we are starting to move into the assessment phase and i want to get to influencers in a way i want to fully stop the office and um it is part of that

070we need to have a sustainable staffing structure you all know that this work is really hard it is draining the average sustainability person is with either community and local government for less than three years uh there's high it's a high stress job it's a high like morally calling job so i want to make sure i also have a succession plan uh for turnover including for my position so that there's continuity in the operations and when i identify gaps i want to find partners and collaborators to help build that uh broadly speaking for project-based work i want to see the landfill solar project break ground uh this year and i'll be running at that doing the economics look good i want to finish installing four megawatts on city facilities plus uh sharing with you all this

071is up for public comment for consideration for the american rescue plan funding that starts tomorrow so you can learn more about the project there's a video online if you like it uh and you know what let's get two megawatts in one year of solar y'all here's a little tidbit 2.5 megawatt has been installed through solarize saving up front over a million dollars and 25 million dollars through that program in the lifetime installation that is just wickedly successful now we want to bring a commercial offering to the table because that's going to look different residential rates are different a few less things to share with you there's some strategy work we need to uh finalize their electric vehicle planning strategy so we talked about charging infrastructure but we have a whole bunch of goals around helping

072people adopt uh electric vehicles themselves and we are working on a pilot in multi-family for charging what does that look like it's wicked it's complicated uh we have a goal of decarbonizing of course city facilities and i want a really detailed strategy for how to do that but we can of course get into the cip same thing with our fleet i'd like the fleet to be fully decarbonized to be fair some of that's market right some vehicles are niche vehicles but i want to go as far as we can in that space i want the green rental housing policy and home energy rating disclosure policies adopted this year and i'd like to be moving into like this isn't a universe in which i can do this all myself like or the office can do it

073i don't acknowledge like this is not necessarily true there's a lot of policy we got to work with council but like these are the goals of the office uh we want to go no go decision on the seu and if it's a go setting up the solid foundation to be able to move that forward stronger with ann arbor public schools um washington county on the ride because there are really key stakeholders moving this forward you just heard about the county's work um i want to make sure that at least 20 percent of the public knows about and is engaging in some way shape or form and i really want to center front frontline fence line populations and communities in in that and have higher percentages of engagement with those constituencies i also want all city

074departments to be working on sustainability our first few years of existence was really making sure they knew we existed and we're there to help them but now i want to get to a point where the work that they do integrate sustainability values without having us have to be at the table all the time so i want to kind of do a culture shift and really institutionalize this and operations and then i want to keep growing the a20 collaborators network which this is a lie as of today we are in 103 organizations and growing so i want to not just grow that but i want to deepen that in the collaboration because we have such potential with those collaborators to go for the best so those are some of the priorities and then don't worry everything

075in a202 is still a priority video thank you very much um commissioner cleavy and then others missy would you mind leaving that up just so people have can read it um as they pose questions or think about proposing questions mark go ahead um so missy i want to just uh put congratulations on the solarize programs outstanding and as being the chair of the subcommittee that did the solar solar work on the 78 megawatts and i couldn't be happier that um you picked up that ball and run with it um just one thing you could um significantly expand that that 2.3 megawatt impact by um working with those people who have put solar on because most of them are not 100 solar because of the just lack of roof space so we could just by topping

076off each of those users with an scu either actual or virtual solar we could uh significantly increase the impact of that project and so i would encourage you to kind of move that to the top of the priority list um how can we you know top these guys off and leverage what what we've done with uh either a virtual um or a a actual an actual energy and i know the actual is going to be limited to microgrids but um certainly virtual would do it the other thing is i for an extra 85 a a year i bought mi migraine power and moved to 100 solar on my house in ann arbor so it was a it was an interesting investment of 85 dollars a year it's worth doing it be great if my property

077taxes rebated me the 85 dollars and that would be something something to consider also if we are forced to have to use mi green powers because um we mi uh dgu won't let us do microgrids but anyway um just an idea thank you commissioner commissioner peck yeah i love the idea of getting a tax rebate i do uh mi green power too and i and i question whether it's really a wise thing to do you know i'm not sure i like what's going on there but i'm doing it just because it makes my conscience better uh but i really would love to hear from missy uh more about what we can do to help you implement aside from advocating that ann arbor figure out a way to clone you generous sorry having dried mangoes in

078the background to keep the energy going over here uh yeah so i i had a sense this could come up and i don't fully want to bias the group here's here's a few things uh there is there's a there's a need for uh support in developing and finalizing certain ordinances right the home energy reading disclosure is really dang close um and it would probably be useful to have a subcommittee kind of revisit uh it and help make sure that we're ready strategically moving that forward the green rental efficiency work is another space that would be great to have someone kind of with us we have a landlord in the tenant committee that's been forming that uh through that process but it would be nice to have you know the body rep appoint one person to

079sit on that committee and kind of help bring that over so we have the energy commission's kind of voice in that landscape those are going to be big policies they're going to require a heavy lift and i think we could really use the body and that support the multi-family eb charging is another one and i think we could uh this is the distinction and i'm sorry that i'm rambling because there's a difference between what i see as the work and where i would pull in kind of a working group to help us or kind of bring commission liaisons and what the body would do as a whole the body i think it's really the resolution uh the kind of resolution space the helping of moving things in front of council to say we as a

080body endorses us we the body think this is what should happen that's kind of the body as a whole where we need a lot of work building codes is one we should be talking about that um and i'll tell you in our updates what we're doing i think a recommendation from this body on on how council could get involved in the building code work would be really powerful so there's this distinction between the body and then where we could take deputies kind of from the body to help support some of the work is that helpful distinction no thanks that that helped me as well somebody just got it okay councilmember oops yes excuse me councilmember briggs i just wanted to weigh in on that last point and i think sometimes it can feel like i

081don't know if an ordinance gets brought in front of this commission that it's and you're reviewing it and you don't necessarily see big changes that need to be made or you know that that's somehow not meaningful work but it it actually really is meaningful work i mean it's pretty imp it's pretty impactful to have something come i think from my perspective sitting on council it's impactful to have something come through be reviewed by kind of advisory body that's outside of staff and have that come through and say no you know this this feels solid you know you're because you're coming as a as a body it's a lens being able to come through and and um and with advocacy connections and different things like that bringing that forward to council feels like it's a much

082stronger um recommendation as well when we get it in front of us so even i think maybe there's a temptation sometimes if something comes here to feel like you have to like um really change it a lot or put your mark on it and sometimes you do because that's when you review it you find you find needs for that but sometimes just um reviewing something and finding that it's it's ready to move forward it's that's that's important for us moving forward too so i just want to make sure that's that's clear others i guess not so um then what i'd like to do is um open things up um maybe from commissioners uh i have um opened up um this the survey response that i sent to everyone um and i can read from that

083or i can simply hear from um those of us that are well essentially we have the old the entire commission attending so i'd like to hear from you um what you see as uh what you felt was key key feedback from the survey and relates to our priorities for the coming year would it help if i reread the survey responses on that i'm not getting any feedback yes commissioner peck i i was yeah i don't i think i'm i'm gonna stall here in case anyone hasn't read it already so they can read it because i think that'd be a more effective thing we could go through it one by one you know and everyone's read it so you don't have to read a whole thing but you know just sort of jar our brains but

084i was kind of interested in just the statistics at the very beginning and i can't remember what i responded it was like all year last year you know and uh but um it wasn't like everybody you know it was like people were pretty happy with things but not really happy and it would be really it would be interesting maybe to go around and see what it is that would make everyone happier with what we're doing or more fulfilling i can't remember the terminology you use it was fulfilling or something um it's an idea um well rather than debate it a long time i think i can answer it quickly so we had three questions um and they're on a scale of one to ten how effective do you think the energy commission has been in

085fulfilling its role how effective do you think the energy commission has been in contributing to significant eight to zero carbon neutrality outcomes and how rewarding has your time been on the commission the past year the first two the questions were somewhat similar so it's not surprising the average rating was the same 6.16 and as far as being rewarding it was 5.83 and the ranges were similar um for the first question it was two to nine for the second question as far as contributing to significant um 820 plan and carbon neutrality outcomes um the range was only four to nine so it's a little narrower and in terms of how rewarding it was viewed as the responses ranged from one to eight so um that is what the responses were i don't know if any does

086oh i put it this way does anybody want to comment on on any of those and how how we could be more effective in our work to support osi to support council to support the city administrator implementation of the plan etc i mean basically we're setting ourselves up similarly to last year um last year we brainstormed a lot of topics we prioritized those topics and we presented those in meetings and what i would hope that we would be able to do at the end of 2022 whether we do a survey or not is another matter is to be able to look back on the year and say that um the ratings if you will uh were higher than they were last year um but i'm not sure that that's going to be the case if

087the process is is very similar commissioner cleavy so i i guess i think the previous discussion is probably telling um you know i'll just sort of paraphrase we from the commissioners it's um well we we want you to be here and we'll let you know if there's something we want you to do and missy as well there's we're not sure what you can do collectively but as individuals um you can you know there's places where you know your expertise might be useful uh and the implementation phase i think one of the biggest strengths we have and i think it was very clear in the last year was that we can highlight an issue in front of the voters in front of the public in front of constituencies and thoroughly explore that so i think there's

088three things that i would like to see us thoroughly explore um and use that as a way to say let's look to see what we should get involved in i think there's three of those one is getting the sau done getting it implemented getting the ordinance passed and getting it moving second is the sustainability millage i think we should have at least one if not two major briefings on that so and invite the public to see it um and uh the other one is this energy code update it it has the ability to impact everything we're doing i was at the energy office when the building code that was to be adopted was locked up for five years by the michigan builders association who stopped implementation on the day that it was supposed to be

089implemented and had locked it in court for five years and the last day when uh they finally had to had to the judge was going to get a ruling they dropped the suit so you know building codes um you know they're not just some interesting thing they're critically important so having side would have to say the vast majority of people in arbor have no idea there's going to be a building code update or what it means but i can tell you that everybody who's against it knows what it means so i think that one of our greatest strengths and greatest success was showcasing and having really smart people come in and talk about facts and you know that gives us something we can do to impact you know everything that we're trying to do um

090otherwise i think i'm at a loss to say you know um you know wait wait till the commission asks us about something to review an ordinance or this or that or um you know the progress that missy's got um she sees there's a place for some of us to plug in and do some meaningful things um we can do that as energy commission members or we could all quit and be part of the process and probably be more effective doing that anyway so um i guess i would just say i think that's that strength we have i think if we deploy it effectively we can make a really big impact and i think that was probably one of the biggest impacts we made this year was doing just like that and i think councilman council

091person breaks bobby agrees with that that's that's something that's really important we can do that missy you have your hand raised and um commissioner hook um did as well but he seems to have dropped off so let me just make sure he's not in the waiting room no he's not yet okay um yeah i i really appreciate i appreciate what commissioner cleavy was saying and i just want to clarify that i actually think that there's a lot of things that we could use this body for um i want to sort of name that i saw tension in the survey responses that i'm struggling with in terms of what i sort of share with you and for those who didn't know i i used to be a pac commissioner and our role on pac was really

092to support staff and so we didn't always derive the agenda staff helped us kind of craft the agendas and we provided guidance to them on issues that they were advancing and so if i take that what i i mean what i could really love you don't have to do this but here's an offer what i could use help from and all of osi could is we need your review on things we need your input we need you to help us make things better and so we have a lot of content that we can bring forward and then we need your blessing on it you know as councilmember briggs was saying if this is a good policy and this body likes it having a resolution of support actually carries a lot of weight and so from

093the staff side we could curate presentations and updates get your feedback on the work we're doing in bryant the herd ordinance there's there's no shortage of things but i do want to name that sometimes i feel from the body as a whole that that feels insignificant and that is really tough for me because that actually is what i think the body's supposed to be doing and so there's tension here that i think commissioner cleavy just named and i saw it in the survey responses but there's purpose like there's real purpose behind this body and if we kind of refocus that we'll go further faster so i'll recognize um commission or council member briggs and then i would like to also note that myself included there's maybe five of us that have dominated the conversation this

094evening and so i would particularly like others who have thoughts um in their head uh to consider whether or not those are worth sharing with the rest of the group to bring some balance um and diversity to the discussion so council member breaks starting with you all right great um and i i i do i do think that that diving in deep and thoroughly exploring an issue is is a great idea i think that it lends to supporting what osi is trying to do in terms of educating more of the public around an issue because then you've got these really um wonderful presentations that can be shared further but they're also complemented by the questions that come out of this this commission and that are really educated um and so they're not just you know

095based you know they're not basic presentations either they dive in deeper um i do think that you know for my commission my experience prior to being on city council on planning commission what made that that work meaningful oftentimes was my my work on subcommittees and so um the ability to dive into one of those you know some of the the work that's happening um you know we've mentioned something around property taxes i think there's a lot of work that's maybe not at the forefront of um of osi's work but we know that we need to figure out how to incentivize this type of um actions across the city and so the more that we dive into to different areas or you know work collaboratively with like planning commission or transportation commissioner things like that i

096think they're they're really meaningful projects that can be moved forward and again those recommendations that come from ordinances are our impact you others um john i've had my hand up for a little while do you mind if i go sorry i missed that yeah um so uh i wanted to um remark on what missy just said about how um it sounds like it would be helpful to osi to have members of the commission review various things and um uh it sounded like there were situations where that had been asked of the commission or proposed to the commission and uh you didn't get a positive response missy and i'm not recalling those opportunities being extended to the commission i would certainly be more than willing to help with that if i was considered qualified to do

097that so i'm wondering if you can cite an example of a case where that opportunity was offered and declined i appreciate that i think that's just a misinterpretation or perhaps i misspoke no what i was thinking is the utility of things like presenting the eevee ordinance to the body having it be worked on and then brought to the full body to kind of bat with struggle with provide recommendations making it stronger and better and so we have opportunities with herd coming forward where we would do something comparable with the green rental efficiency standard where the body itself could really help us kind of collectively unpack that and provide recommendations to move forward so that was not a critique that it hasn't happened it's actually i think maybe elevating that i think it works really well

098when it does happen so the opposite anybody else have anything to share yes commissioner hook i'm glad you're back with us oops there you are good go ahead you're muted hopefully not anymore sorry about that so you mentioned earlier and this is a kind of a key topic i think going forward a number of us get approached by our citizens of the city they know who we represent um the sustainability millage is point of discussion in my community anyway and everybody wants to know what it's about and i would think this would be a perfect opportunity where we could act or facilitate with the city as things kind of devolve and and we understand them to be the sounding board for the community i mean we have what at least 12 14 people on this

099call we could be ambassadors for something like this really you know when i talk to my neighbors and they say we we dumped a bunch of tax money into fixing our roads kind of like what with governor whitmer basically promised and the city promised and our roads are pretty horrible still so why would we dump more money into something that we don't know what we're going to get the outcome from so i think we as a body could be helpful in this space to work with our our businesses in this community as well as our residences and owners to understand what we mean by this ordinance this millage why pay more tax if it's not going to make a difference so i think this body would be one that would be very good at hearing

100from council about what they're thinking about doing or who the sponsors of that millage might be to be the sounding board to say this is going to work or this isn't going to work this will add value to a20 or won't add value why not i mean it's a certain certainly a better body of knowledge maybe that exists elsewhere in the city and pretty um no there's no there's no agendas here we're trying to help and be a facilitator so i think that would be my suspicion would be acting more in that role to help the community understand energy issues the more we get into a20 and people want to understand what a greenhouse gas emission looks like we can be helpful in that space of helping missy and her mission better educate hit that

10120 percent goal she threw at us how can we do that how can this body work in that route in that way a lot of us have that that community facing interest so i'll just throw that out there and be quiet thank you anybody else have any oh commissioner kerber uh yes so i mean it's easy to be very enthusiastic about the seu unfortunately i don't think it's sufficient to really accomplish our 2030 goals it's going to lead a lot more than that and we still have the major obstacle to moving the city towards a better greener future in fact the state and really the nation and really the world so part of what i struggle with is still how much power remains in one company over the city and what we can do to

102have a plan b because i even though i've been told that there's nothing that that power can do about the seu i'm not going to be convinced until i see it so i think it's important for us to keep thinking about what kinds of things we can do beyond the seo beyond municipal municipalization to better support distributed generation community solar micro grids all of these things even if it's a battle that's outside our own backyard the host the state needs to see the light about a greener future and we need to help them and i don't know i don't have any specifics on how to do that but i know that the obstacle the monopoly for profit monopoly is not going to go away they're going to continue to fight for their own interest which

103is not a better energy future for the state of michigan so i am thank you commissioner kerber before we leave that point um when we consider topics for next year um i think there were some suggestions about topics related to what you're talking about some of the things related to legislation that you mentioned are things that we should think about when we vote we i'm thinking also commissioner cleavy we had a presentation at the glra annual meeting about uh investor-owned utilities and um how they work in the state and it might be interesting to have something like that um here at a commission meeting and then to talk about how we take that information to decide if there's anything that we can do as a city in through council etc so that might be something

104that we talk about at some point later in the evening commissioner calvin garcia all right thank you very much um yes so i just wanna um acknowledge um what commissioner kermer and commissioner mccumber um have stated and so there i see you know those are two different things that um are being addressed one is it could be more like a process for how how would os sign how would city council like us to step up and and participate and give our input on one hand and then there's another aspect of what will we be taking on in the coming year and i just want to make sure that as we move forward we have a half an hour left uh before 8 o'clock and that we really make sure that we leave with at least

105you know some top to priority initiatives goals topics are going to be taking taken on this year as well as leaving us as a group familiar empowered knowledgeable confident in how we're get we can be we can we can have our our contribution uh utilized so maybe maybe if there's a quick little uh piece of um like advice that we can get from our council members or from from missy about how you know they would like our input initially we can just put that as a standing this is how we're going to proceed for now until you know we have something further in place as in terms of if it's going to be a procedural thing i i don't know it's up to it's up to the office the administrator's office and to console and

106then we can dive into what we're going to be taking on this year so i i have a proposal we have on the agenda a point that's called interactive voting on priorities and my sense is that discussion on which you just mentioned carlene could be informed by us taking a preliminary vote and then reacting to that and talking about it not only from commissioners but specifically from missy and from our two council members and i'm wondering how other people see that does that make sense to others that we sort of use that as a pulse taking approach and then sprint use that as a springboard for further discussion i'm seeing one thumbs up and some maybe and a couple of thumbs up and some nodding heads missy um do you have anything prepared that we

107can use for this vote taking process based on the survey results or something else that you had in mind or how do you want to do that i don't we'll have to probably do this more interactively and i apologize this is uh we have to know who votes for what and that i had a hard time finding a tool that made that pretty clear for her transparency in the operation so apologies uh okay okay a really quick comment uh uh so with regards to important things for us to attempt to accomplish in the year there are overlaps for three of the items um i counted 14 items and three of those overlap with the priorities with osi and then as far as topics that devoting time to this coming year um there were also three

108i think i counted there's like 21 total that were brought up three of those also overlapped with osi so i just wanted it quickly we can like right away maybe like put those to the top and then and and and address address other things perhaps as just a launching point and i can give you the specific ones if you would like me to go ahead go ahead okay so um for uh for us to accomplish next year there was overlaps with um supporting the advancement of seu concept that was one of them that overlapped another one was uh uh how how we put it was getting all city departments to include a20 and their operations and evaluations that uh synchronized with item g on the osi priority list and then um the third item for

109us to accomplish was advancing green rental and that i coincided with item e i think e4 on the osi priority list and then um as far as devoting time in our meetings to i have um looking into electrifying public fleets so osi has that as priority number e3 then assisting in the ann arbor landfill solar project that's on osi's item list number d1 and then reviewing the bryant neighborhood project and possible commission involvement that's item b on the osi priority list thank you for having done that overlap analysis my thought is that some of those are indeed topics that would be helpful for the commission to take up and commission meetings i think others are probably fit more under what missy talked about earlier where missy is working on something and then would come to

110the commission or individual commissioners and ask for input on those topics um missy any comment on that yeah i think i think that's absolutely right john in terms of framing and and there if the group was hungry to kind of like working group certain things there are things we could talk about from the working group structure as well i would add um i can't i can't advance the village from that standpoint but i heard that a lot from people on this call as a topic and i think i would love to come i've just got the floor to say we should be coming and i would love to come and do a presentation on that to this body and probably multiple uh presentations on that so would it be okay if i add that to

111the list of topics that they was going to vote on absolutely that that's something i endorse um i do as well definitely commissioner cleavy so i was going to say the same thing these things are not aren't on that list the the sustainability millage um the energy code update energy thing is isn't as well so i would suggest that that gets added in here somewhere as well and and i'm willing to drive the bus to take the entire energy commission down to lansing to testify at the hearings on this subject so on thursday [Laughter] so i would suggest we add the energy code update as well and to that list so i i jotted down um some things and maybe carlene again you can help me uh add to the list and then i thought

112maybe we'll take a show of hands for each one of these because we don't really have any other way of doing it as as missy said we can't we have to do this in an open and transparent way um through the open meeting act requirements so i wrote down first of all a possible discussion about ious and maybe together with that legislation um i'll then say related to that is legislation on the energy and building codes but i see those as sort of two different topics um then um advancing um the seu um you know we don't have to finalize these tonight we can do some we can maybe um together have a working group with missy to finalize these but to see how they sort of stack up the sustainability millage um commissioner pick

113i'm going to ask you to go back to what you proposed at the beginning of the meeting and ask you to comment on do you think that fits as a topic that we would do in a commission meeting or potentially as a task in a working group or a subcommittee or possibly do as i mentioned do it in conjunction with washington county i do think this how do you think your identity is at the beginning of the meeting um along with you know what technologies can be implemented now versus uh and and are economically feasible versus other ones that are not um do you want to add any of those to that list that i just mentioned that sounds great i like your idea of working with washington i think once u of m hires

114their you know executive leader of their effort um we can bring them in too right there's a lot there are a number of things that need to be coordinated between the counties city and university right to bring emu in too actually right okay so maybe we we table that now or put it in the parking lot but consider it um going forward um and maybe we have some outreach to the county to see how we might be able to piggyback on what they're doing right now and convey to them that there's a desire on our part to to work with them as well as the university on on doing those evaluations carlene what did i miss from from your list that maybe we um run through and just have a hand show of uh support

115um could you read those again to me i didn't take notes of those i was just listening sorry no worries okay so we have um scu we have um city departments in uh including eight to zero in their in their operations before you leave that yeah missy it's that seems to me a very very broad topic and something that there might be specific instances where something is brought to the commission but as a broad topic doesn't really seem appropriate for us to discuss in a commission meeting is that how do you see that yeah and i guess i have to ask for a point of clarification to be able to respond are we talking about the priorities of the body or the topics the body wants to to take on in the coming year which

116also relates to priorities just help me distinguish so i can answer your question i see them as going hand in glove um and i don't know how other people see it but that's i see this sort of two fitting together just wanted to clarify if that's um that's right so i could imagine then um defining it by the cip maybe to start as the way that sort of how sustainability is integrated into that process and then perhaps more specific discussions with others just kind of playing this out for example if we were to have transportation come and talk about vision zero and how that's zero traffic fatalities but also zero carbon emissions that may lead to a resolution of support and maybe a resolution asking you know the administrator to have other folks other departments

117do something comfortable like i made that up on this one but yeah that's what i'm doing it was very good i i particularly like um the the idea of the cip and us getting a presentation on that and i know commissioner cleavy has brought that up in the past and we've talked about it in past years so that might be something that we look at as a specific topic carlene i interrupted you um so we narrowed that down a little bit which i think yeah so the osi priorities also include you know with the master plan and things like that so better there's a lot of opportunity for integration too um all right so moving on is green rental as a topic so that could be as a topic and also and get you know

118different folks on the commission being engaged in it um let's see um another is um electrifying the public fleets and then uh can i can i jump in on that um we you know the energy commission a couple of years ago passed a clean green fleet's resolution um it requires um basically that i think there's at least within the city the city administrator has to provide an annual update so i know that missy talked about that as a goal particularly there's challenges in some of the heavy-duty vehicles i don't know that we need to have a specific um presentation on that i don't know how other people well we'll take a vote on these but i'll wrote it down um so you know basically the fleet conversion and there's also so with regards to the

119city fleet there's also you know like a mandate a city mandate for this for the green fleets right and and there are like i think there's at least annual reports maybe more frequent reports that are submitted uh to council on that as far as progress is concerned um that maybe we can you know they can we can share amongst each other or maybe we can have a small presentation who knows but this is an option so uh the other topic uh that i have on the list is um the landfill solar project i'm not certain you know if that's something that we can we can hear updates on and maybe some members of our of our group can contribute to uh then we have uh the bryant i am brian okay oh and the last

120one thank you for your patience uh commissioner cleavy you had your hand raised um you wanna comment now i just wanna comment on the cip thing um we actually had a subcommittee on that cip a couple years ago when we did a report we analyzed all of the capital improvement projects and how sustainability was reflected in those and and uh then sent that report in along with a recommendation that if the city was not going to change the cip process um that they should at least give bonus points to projects that met sustainability guidelines um so i think having a briefing on how house cip um i you know i'd like to see you know how how is sustainability being reflected in the cip um and you know how our recommendation we actually did a

121resolution and by on that that predated predated eight to zero right yes predated eight to zero um so i think uh again yes i think it's appropriate for us to get involved in certain city operations um we also got involved with the planning commission on ground-mounted solar ordnance if you recall so um i think that is quite appropriate it's we you know we have to stay within our guard rails of energy but that's pretty broad when you take into a into account a20s commissioner in 2021 we had a special committee using the right lingo involved in energy concierge with fong from the city osi and that seems to have gone off the guard rails either it's been sunsetted or we do we want to move it forward i know fong is still working on it

122um misty you want to comment on that and um as far as how that fits into topics and priorities accomplishments for the commission yeah i would say if we're talking about kind of the intersection of presentations and priorities for the commission that a logical consideration would be bringing that group back together to present to the body like here's where we are here's what we've done where do we see space for advancement yeah we have a refresh i think is always valuable and it is a piece of work that i have on my to-do list to review this week a 19-page scope for the energy concierge so it is moving i think it strikes me as the kind of thing we should bring back to the body okay uh councilmember riggs i just wanted to comment

123on the cip um report maybe it's possible i missed that but um as a former planning commissioner um in planning commission is the formerly adopts the the cip and then um that's it's one anyway i don't remember seeing that report as a planning commissioner it may have gotten lost a little i mean staff may have heard a lot of the input but it's important sometimes that these things go also to the um other other commissions as well to to grow and learn from um and i would agree the planning commission always is talking about kind of the metrics that we're using to prioritize um uh projects and and fund them um you know having us dive in and really think about the sustainability components you know maybe that maybe those recommendations have been have been

124implemented i knew no we have a new cip tools and processes in place right now but it would be interesting to read this at them thanks for those comments to expand on what i said earlier not only did this discussion about cip predate 820 i'm almost sure it predated missy's tenure as well so we were working with different staff and that could have explained one of the reasons why it didn't actually make it to planning and to other maybe appropriate priorities um so what what i noted down and what i thought maybe we can do is get sort of a share of show of hands on these topics and i maybe ask people to mentally or write down um which ones one of these are most important and maybe we take a minute to talk

125about dividing up this so that each person gets four votes or something like that but i'll read down what i noted and please let me know if i missed something don't you want me to share my screen okay do you have something written up then great great yes please but feel free to read them out and they're not in necessarily in the order presented because i was capturing very good excellent over back over to you as soon as i get this great okay electrifying public fleets is i had that um this should be all of them yeah okay um let me make it here there we go can you okay i'll see that okay yep i think everybody can see that now i would um say bryant neighborhood missing my understanding is that is a

126pilot for lmi low low and low and moderate income neighborhoods in general correct so when we talk about bryant it's it's not just bryant it's how can we use brian as a pilot and learn and as a springboard for doing that across the city for lmi neighborhoods and family units let's say right yeah it's more than that it's a for neighborhood work so not just lmi we're just starting in an lmi neighborhood so you're right yep right yep excellent so um i don't i can't see everybody maybe i can change so i can i'm gonna have to expand my so what i was hoping we could do is leave that up but also take a vote um and let's see we have one two three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven twelve um

127and to get a sense of priorities um what i think would help is maybe if each one of us voted for uh let's say four of them um and so i'd like each one of you to um think about which of the four are most important to you maybe you can jot those down i'll give everybody a second to do that and then what i thought i would do is go through those and then if we can get a a voice indication because i can't see that's everybody maybe at this i can try a little bit more let's i will help you john okay i totally will help and if people want to just click on the little raised hands that would be good we get a pop-up count if you do raise hands so

128if you could do that that will make it easier for me to have okay great okay okay so i'm in shermerski full disclosure i added um to this list which i should probably take off because i added that um i like the idea because um i i think it's extremely important as uh commissioner peck indicated and um uum is included in atu's ann arbor's greenhouse get um inventory greenhouse in greenhouse gas inventory excuse me and i think uh it's also worth mentioning almost everybody in the university except for the few that live in university housing they not only work at the university but they live in the community so they have a leg so to speak in both the community and the university so i i definitely like that idea so can i ask a

129question i just want to make sure i understand i see if we have four votes um but is there's also 12 and we have and we have 11 meetings left this year um conceivably we would have the ability to to have presentations on a fair amount of these so i just want to make sure i'm allocating um what you're thinking about with the importance of those four votes uh so my sense was with four votes um we're gonna get then some separation and with separation we can then say we prioritize some over others that means maybe they're earlier in the year i think to your point uh councilmember briggs that we do have an opportunity to cover all of these um some of them they may go later in the year and some of them

130we may even though they may be more important we move to later in the year because of timing so as uh commissioner peck mentioned the executive leader for the university has not yet been hired there is an interim one it could be a decision that we do this earlier with the interim executive leader it could be a decision to say no we're going to wait for the executive leader to be hired and i see a nodding head and table that till later in the year so that we can actually have the the person who's going to lead that effort presenting um and talking about uh collaboration and what the university is doing that does that help a little bit so maybe maybe what we can do is increase it to six votes that that gives

131us um still some separation um and um that then um yet gives opportunity for people to vote for more than just four items so let's do that let's say six votes um and what we'll do is go down each one of them and um you can then indicate your vote through raising your hand missy will see all of us and carlene i'm going to ask the two of you to um do that together with missy so that we can uh take both of your accounts and make sure that we got um this the right number and um what i'll do is i'll just simply re read down the list and ask you to raise your hand and we'll leave those up for maybe 30 seconds or a minute and then move on to the next

132one how does that sound any confusion there if so raise your hand or or speak up otherwise i'll proceed in that manner okay so the first is electrifying let's see i got to make sure that i can raise my hand here too um electrifying public fleets all of those for you who feel that that's something that's important and you would like to see presented raise your hand missy and carlene indicate when you feel we've got a good count five got it okay good okay so the next on the list everybody can see is landfill solar i just make sure everyone lowers their hand that wants to thank you thank you thank you thank you so lower your hand and raise it back up so let me know when you have a count wait cleavy you're

133in okay we're good we're good we're good i got it three okay okay i had four but if it's three chuckles and was up you don't have chuck there it's his hand is up he's not in that list well your back check okay i'm sorry when commissioner mccoy mentioned lower your hand i saw your hand go down thank you mark thank you chuck okay everybody lower their hands so advancing bryant neighborhood and neighborhood projects in general raise your hands i got 10. and that's the count that i see here on my screen that temp participants raise their hands do you have them all listed missy yeah i think i've got all time i count 10. okay good yep great so everybody lower their hands go back to zero myself included okay um the next is

134millage usage and purpose raise your hand again by the way we're on the honor system here as far as six votes okay it's everyone that's good great okay if everybody lowers their hands karleen you need to lower your hand i'm getting there i'm getting there okay good okay all right okay um next maybe i'll make a picket fence to know how many votes you've uh cast so that we don't cast more than six energy and building codes i got eight i have a quick question are we casting four votes or six six oh i missed that okay you only get four [Laughter] i guess you weren't listening we're good okay i got eight uh i have nine names listed i would say if you see your name listed and it's wrong please let me know

135okay i guess sometimes the backgrounds kind of are all right look at the participants list that might be easier uh yeah that's true because you can see when people raise their hands participants list good point okay so we are roughly halfway through the list not quite um discussion about ious and legislation we're good we've got four okay take your hands down okay number seven let's see like four times is this seou updates and opportunities geez i think in public is scary but yes i think we have eleven eleven clear your hands okay presentation on washington county's climate work i'm wondering um maybe this is cheating um to combine eight and nine together because the university is in the city and the city is in the county what do people think about that staff recommendation to

136keep them separate because the county is actively doing public engagement and so i think the nature would be a little different okay okay maybe they could be the same meeting but they could be two different topics very good point well taken okay so with that in mind we'll keep them separate um so um number eight is then the county um raise your hand if you want a county you have to be justice about your votes here okay we've got three i got three too awesome okay then update on u of m's climate action work clean your head lower your hands and clean the slate and then raise your hand again okay we're good we've got five okay so um last three now are cip presentations so cip just to make everybody understands is the capital

137um investment yep there we go capital investment i think are not imp is a capital improvement or capital investment plan okay okay so that's all the capital expenditures which are separate a separate budget from the city's expense budget we're good we're kevin take your hands down green rental [Music] good and then energy concierge mr juno apologies i might have caught you at the tail end did you were you on this one today accidentally thank you no no okay great sorry i think you were early at the gate on the first one one second then so so this is everyone again for number the last one number 12. i am off sorry i got because i i thought i had i thought i'd seen six first and then there's uh there was six but we're at

138five okay yep but we were at five we are at five actually we are five actually okay yeah it was it was a hand that didn't go down okay all right okay great so what we'll do is go back through this and i think i may have not taken my hand down um so but we'll go back and if if it's meaningful we'll double check and see if someone voted more than one time if so then we'll clarify with that individual it may not be necessary because we seem to have pretty good separation anyhow um so i think that um [Music] pretty much takes us to the end of this discussion unless somebody has some summary remarks oops i need to put my hand down i've got to get my thing up here here we

139go um where my hand lower hand sorry okay sorry about that so um any any summary comments from anyone about this whole section reactions if not um we can move on to the osi report out and the last few things on the agenda hi john i have my hand up yes go ahead please um so just a clarifying question so we were just voting on topics that we want presentations on at energy commission meetings were we also voting on the topics that we think are most important because or was it one or the other i think i was sort of thinking it was both but just just to clarify it was my impression we were voting on both okay is that everybody's impression yeah okay good and if if there's if there's something that uh

140discussions between carlene and missy and i where we're concerned about the one not matching and being like i said hand in glove with the other then um we can come back to the commission as a whole and get your direction on priorities and potentially timing um so that uh we're we're covering the most important topics first okay sorry one more clarifying question by the quote the most important the ones that get the most votes yes that's my interpretation i just have one thought about that which is it seems like some of those could benefit from having sub-committees or special committees or whatever the lingo is that we're supposed to be using created and if we don't get a presentation until say october um it seems as though we are losing the opportunity to advance potentially

141advance work on a given topic i wonder if it might be worth our time at a meeting soon to perhaps look at that list and assess it for which items might benefit from having a work group created for them in order to have a subgroup of us perhaps start meeting and exploring it i like the suggestion i propose the following that carlene and i put our heads together looking at where there might be special committees or even working groups also look at timing and put together a maybe a more refined list of priorities and augmented by by those considerations and then bring that to missy and then bring um that discussion after coordination with missy back to the entire group before our next meeting how does that sound that sounds and can i suggest one

142more friendly amendment which i'm sorry i didn't suggest before we wrote that list the um item about building codes um i was really torn between that and the green rental housing which in my mind are pretty similar because i've been in subgroups that discussed rental housing in the past and a lot of it's centered around some of the building code and inspection frequency et cetera um and it seems as though those two things potentially could be combined i mean i could certainly see now they're different mechanisms the green rental uh standard is being advanced not through the building code but through safety enforcement so we're using different kind of legislative and regulatory tools right and the building and energy code applied to new construction and the green rental code would apply to existing so there's

143there's some separation there yeah okay good um again missy talked before about living plans this is a living plan as well so um we i want to re-emphasize that you know in every meeting we go over meeting agenda items for the next meeting and at the beginning of every meeting we talk about what the agenda is and we can look at is it two-pack or um do we need to add something else so we have multiple opportunities to iterate on this and to improve it and that applies to everybody that's not just misty carleen and me setting the agenda that's all of us taking a responsibility for for doing that so um we're already at 8 10. it was my goal to be done at 8 o'clock that won't we meet that but we do

144have a couple of brief things on the agenda that i think are important to cover and missy the first is an update from osi um and then update from commissioners and then public comment yeah and in respecting time let me share that we released last week our newsletter which is moving to bi-monthly and so i'll send that to the full body so you can see a more holistic update of the things that we're working on so just some really quick things to tee up that are more time sensitive um just to kind of again respect your time uh our public commenter ken garber talked about the building code uh process right now lara is in public comment and so the city has submitted comments we actually submitted revisions and language as part of the code

145process we worked even further upstream with icc to draft code language and so now uh we will be present at public meetings across the state talking about this we'll submit comment there is an opportunity for every commissioner and even for the body itself to provide some recommendations on the code and what you hope to see adopted in that so i could imagine that's something we could prepare for the next meeting to kind of move up the ranks itself but this is a really unique window of opportunity to inform the code process building codes in michigan are effectively the ceiling and the floor there is not a lot of room [Music] when does this opportunity close uh the whole plan is not fully clear there's a public meeting i believe it's thursday the next one is

146in kalamazoo and then there's a series of meetings that laura is announcing across the state uh so we'll have a presence um and i can send this around to the full body uh but this is an area that from a staff perspective we are actively engaging with the building department we go together it's not just osi it's our our actual code enforcement folks kind of stepping forward hand in hand on this uh and we're gonna we're we're moving towards zero i mean we want zero code appendix adopted and we've been pretty vocal about that we've also been working with a coalition of others to identify if that doesn't happen what the priorities are electric ready battery ready solar ready elements of it that are necessary to enter our goals uh so that's really important uh

147i did also want to share that i am uh so excited 2022 is the year of transformation in osi we are doubling down on that we're saying it to the universe uh in the first week and changed back in the office you've already identified and asked to move forward on three grants uh from small potentially actually installing solar in a house or two in the bryant neighborhood because the funders really excited about that project which would be really powerful for those neighbors to get the solar and also build kind of momentum and demonstration for others unfolding uh to talking about really big dollars that might be able to help transform uh kind of our energy system locally uh and i am excited to see that we're partnering with the county on a grant for weatherization

148expansion and really getting low-income households to carbon neutrality not just energy efficiency work but like deep energy efficiency with electrification and storage that concept note is due in a week so we're running at that uh really fast and furious but hopefully we unlock that funding uh which also would be centered most likely in the bryan neighborhood just because uh there are lots and lots of other things uh i don't i think i did share the shout out to julie in the polarized program did i end this call because i know we talked about it okay great there's so much going on there's one other thing that i thought might be an efficient way of you updating the commission and that is you recently made a presentation to city council at their work session and i

149don't know how many commissioners have seen that would you mind sharing the link of that with the commission that covers a lot of a lot of territory um and um i know you reported on some of that at the webinar uh earlier today so maybe that that also serves to uh update people and shorten the discussion tonight brilliant there is one last thing about the floor i want to share and i'll leave it to the council members to talk about the draft resolution and where it stands that came out of the body in december but i wanted to share there was language that had to be removed because it is illegal in michigan and that is assessing the feasibilities uh the feasibility and the gener revenue generation potential of potential utility no matter what that

150structure is michigan law prohibits you from generating revenue from a utility that is not legal that has to go out of your resolution um it is rate it has to go towards the utility itself and the services of that utility it's been tested time and time again in court courts so i wanted to share that with the body and i can give more details about that but i'll just you worked really hard on it and i want you to know that everything looks really good that is not legal so would we still be able to use our money as dark money to lobby the way dte does oh just not going to attempt to answer that question missy missy i have um one other remark i noticed when we were halfway through our vote and

151it was too late then um but um the we had talked about uh you carlene and i an update to the time of market or home energy audit disclosure um i'm wondering if we can um include that as a presentation topic at some point or if you can give a brief update right now i hope we do because zach is on deck and he's been working on a presentation for you for next month okay because we had talked about actually trying to do it last month and we didn't feel we could fit it in so great okay good um anything else from you if not uh council members i am happy to jump in um the the language for both of your resolutions that you passed last month were on our last council meetings agenda

152so that um all of council had access to them i used my council comment time at the end of the meeting to draw attention to them for any folks who may have missed them um and then thanks to the hard work of staff council member briggs and i will be sponsoring uh the actual resolution directing the feasibility study at our next meeting i don't know if that has yet made it on to legistar on the public side i know that we've submitted it but they only updated a few times throughout the week so um at some point that will that will live there as well but it has been sent to the clerk's office excellent does that resolution include the city adopting an seu ordinance or is that separate my understanding was the seo ordinance

153was separate from the authorization of the feasibility study that was my understanding right this is this is not this is not the ordinance itself it does have fbu language in it um so but it is essentially um i think missy did we did we land on uh requesting the administrator to draft necessary yeah yeah so it it's almost verbatim with the body passed at the meeting advancing the seou kind of the the logical next steps drafting of the ordinance but not adoption of an ordinance so what so i don't understand so will we have the city adopt an ordinance is part of this vote on the city council or not no so they'll ask for the creation of an ordinance for consideration it authorizes the creation of an ordinance okay yes this um how can

154we take a look at the last the last resolved clause um yeah no no i remember i was in there so that was my question whether or not it's being drafted and adopted along with this uh motion to authorize funding for a feasibility study or is uh so we do we need two things or does this empower the city to craft an ordinance and move forward without another council vote i mean i'm not it's not clear to me what the staging of this is missy do you want to or i can but go ahead sure yeah so the the resolution i think uh can change on the floor so as drafted at this moment uh move toward the i sort of think about as three things that the commission talked about the options analysis kind

155of a study of all the different pathways a study of a traditional municipal utility and all the criteria that we talked about and then the next steps for the seo which include recruiting people understanding and generating a waitlist the drafting of the ordinance exploration of staffing and governance structures basically getting the it's all information it's getting information so we can bring it to council for consideration yep excellent thank you councilmember briggs yeah i don't know that i have too much to add to that i think just the piece that um it won't be the resolution will be um significantly different than um i mean there are some tweaks as we've gotten information from legal staff and different things like that but um then what you saw what came out of energy commission um but to

156the point of like the ordinance that would empower staff to to start working on that but then after that work is done then it would need to come back to city council for um public hearings and adoption and that's how head of ordnance adoptions work so you can't you know it takes a little while for for that process to play out as would other elements of this come back to counsel in different different ways and you know different elements will likely come back here to energy commission for for feedback as well great uh so any updates from commissioners that are important to share at this time or um and i'd also remind everybody that we don't have to share updates like this verbally if in case like this where people are concerned about timing um

157updates can be also shared in writing um so anything that anybody wants to share or comment on it that we've heard from either osi or from our council members or of developments related to work that you're doing i don't see any hands so any working group updates that are appropriate at this time i also don't see any comments uh or hands raised so we will move on then to public comment uh and then to items for the next agenda which i think basically we covered um but let me pull my script out here go through my pages here to find it yeah here we are okay so this is an opportunity for public input and persons to speak for up to three minutes if you are watching on ctn call 888-788-0099 or 877-853-5247 and enter

158meeting id 937-67516819 that information is also displayed on the meeting agenda and the video feed city staff will select callers that have raised their hand one by one using the last three digits of your phone number in order to electronically raise your hand to indicate your desire to speak please press star nine on your phone you will hear an automated message announcement that the host is allowing you to speak and when speaking please mute your any background noise and then finally state your name and your address at the beginning of your comments thanks dr stultz tara mursky ken garber again 28 hammer hill court um i'll be brief uh good discussion tonight i really appreciate this group's collective expertise and its commitment to climate action i want to inject a sense of urgency not that

159you need it the rhodium group reported last week that u.s emissions rose 6 in 2021 from the previous year this at a time when we need sustained 15 to 20 emissions reductions annually to have any chance to stay within 1.5 or 2 degrees celsius heating which itself would expose the world's vulnerable populations to large-scale deadly events i read this news in an associated press story that quoted commissioner overpeck on the recent spate of not-so-natural disasters that's exactly what i'd expect with climate change because climate change is essentially supercharging many types of extreme weather making heat waves droughts wildfires intense rainfall flooding and storms more severe destructive and deadly said jonathan overpeck dean of environmental studies at the university of michigan who wasn't part of the reports end quote so we are failing as a country

160and i think we're failing as a city we need to take an unblinkered quantitative view of our emissions and i've been hoping to read the 2021 greenhouse gas inventory covering the city's 2020 emissions but i haven't yet seen it i don't know if that came out i may have missed mention of it tonight but that's a question i have for staff thanks thanks for your comments mr gerber any other comments or missy do you want to respond to that this time no uh no other commenters and in terms of response we do our inventory annually but we do it in those in the summer and so we won't have closed out because we report on a fiscal year so yeah great no other comments then uh the last point on the agenda is topics for

161the next meeting does anybody have anything that they want to raise that may have eluded the previous discussion again if not make suggestions at the following meeting and knowing that missy carlene and i meet eight days ahead of our meeting you're free to contact any or all of us to submit ideas uh prior to that and frankly at any time so with that it is 8 25 p.m and um oops over dean peck you know i just couldn't not do this john i thought it'd be good for us to thank you for all the work you're doing and how you've organized things and you know it's i've been on zillions of committees and i and i really appreciate your democratization of uh this committee and thanks anyhow let's let's wrap it up sorry i appreciate

162that commissioner juno i just want a second then and thank um oh john carlene and missy all for all the hard work and and organizing all the responses and everything that you put into this meeting so thank you very much you're welcome there's quite a bit of time in the background to do that so i we i appreciate the feedback and i speak also for the time that carlene and missy collaborate with me in doing that so thanks very much so thanks again for your service and thanks again for your survey responses and your participation tonight together we are better and together we need to rise to the challenge that mr gerber um keeps on putting a mirror to our each other and to the city and other entities we have a long road to

163ho and uh we need to start making progress faster as the are my former chair used to say we have to keep on thinking about the area under the time versus emissions curve and we're not doing a very good job of that right now so collectively at a national international and even probably at a local level so thanks very much again it is 8 27 pm and i hereby call this meeting adjourned thanks again and have a great rest of your evening thank you bye you