001of the ann arbor designs hey dick dick this is jeff it looks like you sort of uh we stopped hearing you i'm gonna ask that everybody mute themselves unless they're speaking and let's see if that let's see if that helps us okay dick are you still with us looks like he left a reboot that's fine we can wait a few minutes do we have any candidates for corey's position we we have had someone submit up a uh letter uh requesting appointment uh we we um at this point are waiting for the mayor's office to have a look at that and then make the recommendation formally to city council for for their approval are you able to tell us who it is jeff i i don't think that'd be appropriate at this time but it is
002a a planner filling in for the planner position okay should we get going if you you can hear me all right yeah dick we're gonna go ahead and get going i asked everyone to um mute themselves uh which might help you so why don't you um go ahead and get us started and we'll see how this goes okay all right um and if if something is wrong with my audio maybe jeff could take this over or kristen could read the script that i'm about to read uh welcome to the wednesday november 11 2021 electronic meeting of the ann arbor design review board this meeting is held electronically to protect public health and safety due to the covet 19 virus and to comply with orders issued by the governor the michigan department of health and human
003services and or the washington county health department we intend to conduct this meeting similar to an in-person meeting however please be patient if there are technical issues public comment will be via telephone only to speak during any of the public comment opportunities please call [Music] 877-852-5247 or 888-788-0099 and enter the meeting id number 974-6174-9412 this information is also available on the published agenda in the public notice section of the city website and on the broadcast of this meeting on ctn channel 16 htt channel 99 and online at www.a2gov.org watch ctn the design review board is the volunteer resident board appointed by the mayor and confirmed by city council the purpose of the design review board is to foster excellence in the design of ann arbor's built environment and to advise applicants on how a project
004can meet the spirit and the intent of the downtown design guidelines once we get started the afghan will have 10 minutes to present their proposed project to the design review board and the time review board will follow that with the discussion on the design of the project um can we take a roll call please jeff uh yes thank thank you um thank you dick um board member burns here board member cooper president board member singleton president board member kinley president board member mitchell here member perkins here and member katarsky here you have a quorum okay thank you john good thank you very much um next on the agenda is the approval of the agenda uh would anyone like to change anything and if not would someone make a motion that the agenda be accepted as
005written remove the agenda be accepted as written okay and is there a second second thanks lauren all in favor please say aye or raise your hand okay um next item is approval of the october 13th twenty hi got it okay thank you um and now is the opportunity for public comment on any item that is not on our agenda and again to speak please call four 877-852-5247 or eight eight eight seven eight eight zero zero nine nine and enter the meeting id number nine seven four six one seven four nine four one two we'll give that a minute and if you've already called in and wish to speak you can press star 9 on your phone to raise your hand no callers have indicated okay thank you kristin okay on to regular business uh we're
006here today to review dr21 located at 330 detroit street the petitioner proposes to construct a five-story 14 unit multiple family building of 33 square feet with ground floor retail where detroit street bisects north fifth avenue in the farmers market area the project meets lead gold standards and proposes an overall density of 340 percent as 350 percent is allowed with lead gold 23 parking spaces are proposed the site is zone d2 downtown interface and is in the kerrytown character district um so is someone here to represent the petitioner hello can you hear us hello yes yes hey mark we can hear you uh yeah we can't hear you since mine is locked up over your system somehow so or i'm not allowed on yeah so we'll be we'll be together here come on are we starting
007the position are we starting the program now yes yes mark you you and jim can um share your screen if if you'd like you can share your screen and then you could uh take us through a description of your uh proposed project okay let's go back to the to the guideline to the sure we're trying to set up our sharing here's is it sure so that's can you see our screen yes yep we can we can see it mark okay let's go let's not go to that let's go clear up the front um i need a mouse now upside down or something you need something [Music] okay i don't know how long this presentation should be but uh jeff do you have any idea what you're we ask that you keep it to 10 minutes
008if that's just kind of so we're looking right now at a google 3d aerial view of the farmers market here and um and one of the striking things about this is the site right here i'm outlining the cursor of course everybody knows that and this is detroit street here and it's one of the few commercial streets in ann arbor that goes on a diagonal and it creates a lot of opportunities for unique buildings from these truncated buildings here along near fourth avenue all the way up here to zingerman's which has an unusual front and here we've created a flat iron building and farther down detroit street there's another flatiron building we did so we have this unique site that's set up to create a unique building and that is essentially a flat iron building now
009the other thing that's striking about this is there's a definite street wall right here along detroit and a definite street wall along here by the people's food co-op in no time so what we're going to do here is to create another street wall along this site which reinforces this diagonal street with this building this building and uh these buildings down here so that's one of the one of the advantages this site we can create a unique um a unique building just because of the site now i'm going to this is an important building here that i'm going to refer to later that's the marketplace building that was designed by and added on to the the old white swan building or the agricultural building it's called by frederick hermann back in the late 80s so what
010freddie herman did here was essentially create a strong base here with this concrete plinth that the building sits on another three-story brick wall with punched windows and then also created this lighter airier curtain wall screen system to reduce the impact of the top so these are going to be the design elements that influenced us in creating the building next door we were also looking at some of the materials the agricultural building here the brick here the brick from the marketplace here and concrete that will show up later now and this is just another shot of the flatiron building across the street here at 4 detroit street and there's another photo right here that shows the entrance to kerrytown market and shops and what's interesting here is this glass facade and this steel stairway painted a
011bright orange and we're going to pick up on that visibility with our building here that's going to display a glass entryway and also reveal a another steel stairway painted similar to this as we get into the architectural renderings we can we can show you that and of course this is the what's used to be known as jessica's building and uh this is the uh shop the mav owned building here that will be torn down and the detroit street filling station of course community high across the street and the what's commonly known as the brower building here the this shows a kind of palette of materials on the site this site this place is the kerrytown market building this is the agricultural hall building or white swan as it's known this is a marketplace and of
012course these are the the bricks in the city streets so we've selected the palette of materials that is somewhat complementary to these this is a brick sample from from a sample board that we had made up which is similar to the color of some of these samples up here and to get a solid base we've opted to go with a dark endicott iron spot brick to to highlight the um the dark base down here and of course the concrete we're going to use an exposed concrete here for uh for our base and then metal panels in a kind of a bone white ivory color so that's sort of that um moving on then to the site plan essentially the building is um the the ramp down starts at the edge here and of course this
013is all open in this area here with a screen so you'll be able to see through to the filling station here through the screen wall through this entry you can see any murals that were painted on the side of this filling station building and it provides light and air this is a setback here of 42 inches on this side and another set back here of approximately 30 inches back from jessica's apothecary which would allow for the existing eve to be maintained on that building even though it goes across the property line we've cut out this part of the building here so you'll be able to see and see some of the strike details of the original jessica's apothecary building there and due to provisions in the zoning code we need to screen the parking in
014here so this becomes just an open area and this becomes a storage or fire suppression room that's uh actual use has been changing a little bit as we go along and of course we have 11 parking spaces here and two stair towers this is a stair tower here which is a steel stairway on the bottom that's exposed the entry here and the entry is capped with a large uh six feet high by 30 foot long decorative artistic canopy and the other feature here is the setback here and we'll get to the architectural rendering so you can see the effect that has on the thinness of the nose here on the building so we opted to set this back to increase the dramatic thinness of the nose here and also to respond to pedestrian activity in
015this area and if this becomes a retail space or like a coffee shop or other kind of retail space it provides a shelter here for tables and chairs it also um creates a kind of a deep shadow effect along the side of this building in the basement there are additional space for karking parking in the ramp down here and of course on this top floor the flight lavender color is the main floor back on the main floor again is the lavender color shows a little bit more clearly the parking sprinklers and trash storage area here and the stair tower here and these the detroit filling station apothecary and everything in blue then light blue will be the circulation spaces everything in in the light tan color here is the vertical circulation elevator shafts and those
016are not a part of the far calculations so above that essentially we have um residential area and the floors are not appreciably different except the configuration of these units in the back look may look unusual to any architect or to anybody for that matter but i think um that the developer and marketing people have found these spaces to have unique abilities to create very interesting spaces inside and they're not um deemed sort of difficult to sell in fact there are quite a lot of room for interesting things to happen the building has been set back here on the south side and these are large balconies in part for the fire separation between adjacent properties and also the for reasons of our site lot coverage so the green areas essentially are balconies and uh contribute to
017[Music] our lot or subtract from our lot coverage essentially next floor up um what well now this this um slide does two things it shows the the fourth floor and it also introduces the idea of how we calculated our street wall setbacks and these dark areas here are calculated street wall setback areas and as you'll find out later there's quite a lot of controversy about how these things are interpreted the ordinance is extremely complex few people can interpret it and they're differing opinions about how to interpret this space but for your submission here we have added all these together which meets what we think are the are the square foot requirements for the street wall setbacks this is another shot of that and it also shows the top floor so i'm going to go to
018these elevations right now and one of the comments from planning has been that it looks like the straight wall setback is at the fourth floor and out at the third floor the fourth floor being here and we did simulations of this and showed them to planning in which everything above this level here had a change of materials and was white and it made it look like the street wall is actually at that level but for aesthetic reasons we think that the proportions would be extremely poor if we were to divide our building right here in the middle and create all of this as upper building and all this lower building so this was sort of what led to the street well setbacks these guidelines that the um were passed by the city and of course
019this is the um the detroit essen building designed by carl lukenbaum and it has a handsome two-story base very strong base and has multiple stories here of brick and it has a very elegant interesting copper top so if you would imagine this building cut half in two with everything kind of white above this and a little bit of brick you can see the proportions would be dramatically um i'm only seeing your presentation are you showing us a picture oh i'm sorry what's that well the cursor is not showing we're not sharing the right thing sorry i have to go to another are you supposed to move down one slide no is that sure do you see that cursor now let's see the other thing you see the do you see the um guidelines you see
020the guidelines with the edison building yes okay you see my cursor yes okay so so the very strong base here that was created on this building uh in the mid part which is quite a large expansive piece is is nice and elegant it's very similar to what the concept we did in our buildings and then the elegant top so the proportions here are a sort of a almost a one-third two-third well one-quarter and two-thirds i can't get all these calculations craig but at least there's a sizable piece of the middle that is the mid part of the building and then the top so let's go back to the screenshot here oops so this has been one of the problems with with the street well setback guidelines on buildings under say six stories because attempts to
021create a sort of base that is halfway up the building so we've attempted to try to change that so we can create this as a cornice line here with a sizable mid part a strong base and then a much smaller top that wraps around so that's why this building looks the way it does in elevation and there's been a lot of discussions planning about whether this meets the ordinance guidelines right now the so our our street wall essentially um we looked at those calculations earlier is right here and we've included balconies and we included this area here and on the other side this is the street wall set back and parts of the balconies here and this is very similar to the two buildings that we did earlier at kingsley and on ashley streets in
022which we were allowed to do at that time at least a different calculation of different interpretations so these original drawings come from those earlier experiences and we're hoping to continue this interpretation forward so i'm going to wrap up here pretty soon i just wanted to show you these perspectives and you can see the street wall set back here and here and it's very subtle but we think it meets the intent of the ordinance and it's up here and back here too in these balconies when they all are added up they do meet the intent of these the street wall setback i think that's the cross sections are shown here and that's probably about all so i think that's about all um i want to present to you right now so if there are questions jim
023didn't need to add anything so we're open to questions from any of you um dick is having audio issues and he asked if jeff if you would kind of coordinate questions uh that that'd be just just fine tamara um let's let's start off and and see if any board members uh would like to start the conversation i'll start with the obvious question uh mark if if the city doesn't agree with your interpretation does that mean you'll have to go through the zba for approval for that street wall height issue well i don't think we want to go to the zba for something like that but i think we would work our intent is to work with planning to come up with some kind of interpretation that would allow us to carry the bulk of our
024ideas forward i can't say it would end up looking like it is here exactly there may be other setbacks that we'd have to introduce but the overall intent i think we would try to maintain this and try to work with planning on their interpretation i would just say in general when if if developers have come back with a different design and they significantly different we've asked him to come back through for another round at our gauntlet but uh if it were fairly minor it probably wouldn't be necessary but that's my opinion i think it could be fairly minor i think maybe instead of having a five foot setback someplace we may have a three foot setback they would offset and introduce a two-foot setback someplace it's just too complex right now to understand where we're
025going to make those cuts since we only learned about this yesterday thanks um i have a really minor question i was just looking at the plan there's supposed to be a door in that stair tower is that correct on detroit street to the outside yes it's buried under the floor covering there okay that's fine i assume that but um i can jump in uh i think you've done quite a great job here with this very uh sort of challenging site um you've definitely you know one of the things we always want is you take stock of the area around and definitely done that picked up on a lot of things that are happening in the area um emphasizing that urban pattern that we talk about in the first site area of the guidelines um [Music]
026and a lot of variation in the massing um which again when you have a tight sight it's makes it more difficult i i would stand behind you in terms of your um uh approach to the more sort of a vertical um setbacks and um and not just creating a sort of a horizontal band i think that makes a lot of sense um uh you know smaller buildings do react differently to those guidelines uh you have the so that base is a dark brick is that correct it's it's proposed as a dark iron spot uh paver which is pretty dark charcoal and we would propose to use a darker mortar color too than the concrete was that you're talking about the concrete or the city we have a concrete arcade and then we have a dark
027iron spot infill on the okay in the panels um so i also love you know the the the space you've made on the street and that's a very congested street a lot of pedestrians and the fact that you've been able to pull back some of that um it's good i are the planters that you've shown in your renderings part of the design are they remaining uh the planners up front there so though uh we we're proposing along the building oh on the building we just had some containers that we put along the street facade um as you know furnishings um we probably would consider putting some planters in there or something some containers we think the containers should probably be uh movable and not permanently installed there yeah um yeah there's a couple um items
028i guess it wanted to bring up is one is that north fifth um street front has got a lot of blank not very interesting to the pedestrian walls do you have plans to do any art or anything on there um that's a that's a very you know a lot of pedestrians walking there and that's a lot of blank space sterile space we could certainly do art there and um there may be a an opportunity to introduce plant materials at that location too depending on how our fire suppression room works out and how that space that's that's shielding the um automobiles is actually handled so i'm thinking that we could do art there with maybe some plant materials at that at that point too maybe in containers along there too that we haven't shown so we
029could certainly do some art like was done at the zergon building i think or maybe that mike hall did on the uh on the washington street parking structure which is pretty pretty interesting either ceramic or the terracotta tiles there okay my um last comment um was really on the windows um and i you referenced rick herman's building which i think is i use that building all the time as a really good example of how you do good additions to uh stark buildings and um and what i love about it is the uh you know he used the same materials the brick and glass and but in a very modern way and so you know a lot of times we talk about window getting shadow lines and windows and punched windows because they're there's places where
030they're just not done well they're too flat you know here they don't need to have a shadow line really they're because they're a modern window and it's it's the the materials are used appropriately but yet there's a lot of interest in that brick work that he did and and in that facade it's not just a sort of a big blank or flat brick wall with with um a flush windows in it um he's made his own um it's got its own character and that's very different than the building it it is attached to and i would i know you're you know a lot of times people come in they're not you know they're different points in the building or sorry in the design process but as you're developing your brick facade um it right now
031it looks pretty vanilla uh you know i don't know if there's any detail on the brick um there's sort of a somewhat traditional cornish shown but then kind of the rest of it's very i don't know very uh doesn't have a lot of character in it i guess um so i just as you as you um i don't know if you've thought about that or got to that point but um as you're detailing the windows and that that brick facade just encourage you to you know make it its own piece it's um not you know kind of neither here nor there like um you know this this a lot of the places on the on the side you've got your brick um you know again with that sort of a cornice on it but then
032and and then you've got it where it's just flat like this picture right here uh there's a couple places where it doesn't return and um just sort of stops and it it to me that's a little jarring that you feel like you're you have somewhat of a going for a little bit of a traditional brick with a cornice on the top and then yet it's a very flat uh material use which isn't traditional so i don't know just i think that if that something maybe could be looked at and as you as you work out those details um and i think just that you know overall i think i think it's a really nice job um you know just uh i think it's wonderful you're using geothermal um i very much applaud that and uh
033so i think it's mostly just some of the materials and how you detail those windows and brick oh and a different note i just want to point out that in the staff report the green roof was not raised and solar panels were proposed on that but we're using a green roof on this building for water storage to eliminate some of the storm water so solar panels and green roofs are not a good combination so just want to point that out but i will take tamara's comments seriously and develop as as we develop our detailing for those for example we do have the brick we the windows are not flush with the facade and we will be sitting setting them back because the walls are two by six and the windows would be set in two
034by four bucks so that the brick would return three inches approximately three inches to the window so there would be a shadow line relief there and the windows i think the sash will be looked at for a possible division of those with maybe a hopper window or awning window at the bottom and a solid window at the top so we developed a more intricate window pattern than would show here because the windows that we're showing now are four foot six by well they're an oversized uh they're an oversized awning window right now and those should be custom in quite a large piece of glass and sort of looking at dividing those into a smaller still getting natural ventilation but a fixed panel above it and they um articulate a panel at the bottom like an
035awning so so i agree with i agree with that and i do like to see windows that have more detail in them so thank you for that comment [Music] gary has his hand up [Music] i think that was by mistake but i i've got a couple questions um i think i agree with everything tamara said um and i think that was a lot of that is just part of your design evolution as you go along and adding some detail to the brick the brickwork and the fenestration of windows and things like that will come along i hope um i think that you know on the marketplace building that the concrete foundation of that i it's my opinion that as a design element it is like the structure of the building being exposed and then the
036brick veneer is out in front of that and so in that context i i think it makes some sense in this particular case where the arcade seems to be out at the same plane as the brick or further out than the brick i i don't see it as being that important and i think i wouldn't be totally wedded to the idea that you have an exposed concrete foundation or arcade wall unless maybe it's got some more color or it's got more earth tone look to it or it could be brick as well i also i see this canopy on uh detroit street side and um i don't quite understand it it looks like scaffolding with green uh canvas on it um maybe it's because it's behind the trees but i think since it's it it
037is intended as a artistic piece that has not been defined yet it does have a definite function does function as a canopy to shelter the space below but it's going to have a decorative screen and that is yet to be designed by artist architect combination or whatever okay i have a just a sort of a technical question since uh i assume you're going to be holding the storm water below the slab the lowest level and you're also going to be doing geothermal and not a lot to pack in there just curious how you're going to do the whole thing let's go ahead uh the storm water is going to be all retained on the roof so nothing we're going to have a a catch basin out at the point and that's going to tie into
038the uh street drain and that will have the catch basin will uh take the drainage from the roof and uh release it with um at a slower rate but most of the water for the site will be retained on the roof that's rough and then dropped in and just dropped into the storm water so it won't interfere with anything um in the building itself well i assume that geothermal is going to be all punched into the below grade so just as an aside i could see it people trying to do a lot of uh humorous retakes and remakes of the titanic on the prowl of the ship here on the uh well the geothermal is actually in place right now oh it's been there and it's being used for the marketplace building across the street
039so excavating down of course this is a brownfield site and it's being investigated now and how deep we have to go depends upon those borings and that investigation and that will also set how deep we have to go to cut off the geothermal cabinet and do a lot of things to maintain it there thanks i have a couple comments um i would agree with those before me as well and um sometimes the rendering of the building and the character of the materials doesn't doesn't do it the justice that real life does but um the white material i think this came up in the city's comments too um is very contrasting with the brick and i i feel like the building is relatively complex as it is i appreciate kind of the ins and outs and
040the depth and the variation but that high contrast almost makes it start to feel busy because you're kind of jumping between red and white and then back to white again and then and i just wonder if a more subtle um value change between those like a charcoal or something might have an effect where there's kind of a richness of depth but not quite so much um start contrast between the two materials just something to think about um i also feel like there are several different styles happening in subtle ways on the building and the upper portion has this kind of industrial warehouse sort of aesthetic the prowl feels very miami to me um just the way the balcony even cuts down and becomes a plane projecting you know there isn't anything like that on the
041building elsewhere that's kind of the simple like ribbon of of material um and then there's the cornice material again and the brick and then there's the kind of almost parking structure-esque gray structure at the corner there's a lot of different languages happening and i recognize your reference to the building across the street but it just feels like a lot of variety and not a lot of um kind of unifying elements and i just wonder if there isn't a way to actually pare down the variety and then make those pieces richer that you are using so right i am hesitant to say do something additive like make the brick more decorative in addition to all those other things being the way they are but i don't think if you could simplify the palette of all of
042those other moves and then make the brick uh stronger that that would be a good kind of combination um i was also wondering if but for and this is just probably a personal preference but that prowl feels so pointy and aggressive to me it doesn't it doesn't feel good um i would say it's kind of interesting but it doesn't it again doesn't jive with the rest of the building and i wonder a little bit if you treated it more like the other balconies and had it pushed out further to the same extents as the other balconies and then wrap around a little bit start to tie all those pieces together you'd get more balcony but you'd also um have it feel more like it's part of the architecture and not kind of an appendage think
043that's all and i welcome any um responses you have for that any other comments from um board members touched on um i really find the light colored uh siding to be really jarring against that against the darker elements so i personally i would like to see something a little less contrasty i think the dark brick and some of the other dark elements are fine so if it's going to be less contrasty then i think it's probably something other than white siding um and then i too had an sort of an issue with the sort of the flat iron end of the building i mean these buildings typically they obviously take this shape because of the shape of the property but in many instances the building comes out to a point and in this case the
044building doesn't really come to a point it just sort of sort of melts off into a bunch of balconies that you know have uh different kinds of railings and uh the building is so strong right until you get to that point and when i say strong i mean i think it's good architecture but when you get to the balconies the building just sort of melts away and um it i'm not sure what's being expressed there and i realized that bringing interior space to a point is a challenge from you know how do you use that space so i think using it as a balcony is probably the right thing to do but maybe it's the railing design that that troubles me um so those are really my my only two comments and what one other
045thing that i wanted to mention was one of the things that i've always liked about the marketplace building is the way there is open-air connection between um i guess it's detroit street i think it's detroit and then over to fourth there's an open-air um corridor that sort of runs through there and now we've got a corridor in this building that runs from fifth to detroit but it's enclosed is there any opportunity there to maybe create some pedestrian connection mid-block um so that was a thought that that i noticed um otherwise i i think it's a pretty strong building and i think it's a good use of the site um i'm not troubled by the uh the fact that the the uh the street wall is a full four stories instead of three that that part
046doesn't bother me it's one of those situations where you know an ordinance gets written because you know there are some good things to it in bed but if you try and apply it to every single situation it just doesn't work so i'm okay with the straight walls being articulated the way they are and being the height that they are one other comment i just studying the the view at the bottom here of the three um just past the the prowl that first brick element doesn't look like it has much relief from the white there right in here right this right here it looks almost right pasted on is that right there is not much relief there now there could be more there is relief there but it's not um as visually apparent as it could
047be that was the comment i was making bill about oh okay i didn't understand that thinness of everywhere else the brick almost everywhere else the brick returns but in two spots there and on the other side it doesn't thanks okay i just wanted to reiterate builds the initial comment that you've been trying to resolve your issue with the street wall and and the zoning regulations you make significant changes we hope you come back and show us what is has changed in a second meeting if possible [Music] john did you have your hand up did you want i did it i did yes thank you jeff uh i love your building mark and jim uh i'm a liaison with the public art commission and uh it's very sculptural um i consider it uh exceptional artwork uh
048that uh [Music] the prow is very attractive uh to me but i i love uh lori's idea of wrapping the balcony around and uh it may solve uh the the challenges that you've heard about defining the difference between that that white and that brick um it's um uh it's it's definitely something that would enhance a pedestrian experience and uh and i'm delighted to to hear that the canopy that you're planning is to include some sort of decorative screen i know the art commission will will will love to hear that i hope you include uh some local artists uh involved in that design as well as the i believe it's uh the north fifth street uh uh facade uh you're you're thinking of kind of a mosaic mural sort of along the fourth and washington uh
049parking garage uh that and the terracotta release i i think those are both just exceptional ideas um uh and um i think that tamara's idea in terms of adding character to the brick uh it's it's an excellent opportunity um but i think lori makes a good point if you just mix too much up you you you lose any uh cohesive design of the building so you know wrap the balconies of those brow i think that's a great idea uh mosaic murals and and terracotta reliefs awesome um and the um the canopy screen exceptional so i love the building any other commissioner comments i just have one little one um which is that maybe on that balcony and that we're just you're just discussing john if it was possible on that upper floor not to have
050the roof projection i think that would kind of be stronger the roof is or that top floor is being kind of this real simple bar um that is separate from the lower portion of the building i think it would be stronger if it didn't have that little triangular roof piece sticking out and if you do you know move forward with expanding those balconies around the edges maybe that changes that dynamic but in my mind when i when you lose that top part i feel like it makes those balconies a lot underneath it feel a lot stronger and more grounded into the design uh any other um member comments um i'll go ahead and share or just maybe briefly summarize with my comments where i think most of them have been hit upon one was the
051street wall issue that that was flagged and planning planning staff will certainly be happy to continue the discussion with the petitioners with regard to the ground floor transparency on the fifth street side i think that issue was brought up i think mark indicated public art might be a a good spot for the east side with regard to the colors i think it'd be great to see you know what a charcoal looks like for the for what is now white or maybe a greenish gray or you know something uh else just as a as comparison be interesting to see that and then lastly um um with regard to the uh to the vegetated roof um that's certainly an option planning commission has at least a number of planning commission members have expressed a preference if not
052a strong preference for solar in terms of being a bigger uh bang for your buck so to speak uh in terms of carbon neutrality and so that's that's the end of my comments uh let's see if um if uh any member of the petitioner's team uh wants to provide any final comments i want to thank the the group for all their comments and we will seriously go back and look at them the some of the comments have a lot of implications such as balconies bigger and so on some don't some are minor but uh i've taken notes from everybody here and jeff i don't know will you be putting out a report in the description of what the position what what the board said um we're going to be uh putting together um a meeting
053summary that's something that uh christian does and then we'll be presenting that to the um uh to the uh board at their next meeting is that something that you would like to have a look at well i took some pretty good notes here i think i have the uh but i just thought i might have missed something i just wanted to ask that so yeah uh yeah we can certainly um see where we are with those minutes so feel free to contact me mark off offline and we'll see what we can do all right so jeff this is greg kopp with mabd i just wanna i probably should introduce to the beginning and just said that you know we're co-developing this with thompson simmons who i know a lot of you know as well and
054we're really excited about the project we appreciate all the great feedback today um it is going to be a lead gold building to get the density bonuses so we're still evaluating how we're going to get there we don't think we're going to have any problems getting there and so incorporating the existing geothermal that we've had out there for better than 10 years feeding energy to the marketplace building is something that we're trying to evaluate and see if it's feasible there's a lot of challenges in modifying that and incorporating it in the basement of a new building so we're working through that but it will be a lethal building regardless thanks thanks greg uh and and greg and uh jim and mark and your whole team thank you uh for submitting uh this petition package um
055and um at this point um um someone could um uh call [Music] and end the meeting i'll move we adjourn let's see if kristen can um bring up the agenda yeah i've got it here uh unfinished business is next on the agenda is there anything that we uh need to address from previous time meetings i don't think so all right and then under communications uh any communications for for our consideration we we have not had any one included in the packet just in support of the project submitted by a community member okay and then there's a last section here for public comment uh kristen if you want to read this feel since i don't have it in front of me you're muted kristen okay um pull it up here do you speak during public comment
056please call 877-852-5247 or 888-788-0099 and enter meeting id 974-6174 nine four one two and after you've called in you can press star nine on your phone to raise your hand if you would like to speak and that information is also on the screen for viewers now we have no callers hey thank you for that um so now we're at the adjournment fee uh stage so thanks everybody for coming and happy thanksgiving and maybe we'll see you next month take care you