001oh this i i don't see closed captioning on my phone uh okay the transcript there that cold capture um okay why did i disable it good i don't know how to do that thank you good afternoon leslie i'm on my meeting okay denise yes hi good afternoon how are you today all right are we on yes we are okay well welcome to the human rights commission um denise this time why don't you uh handle the roll call okay we have um our chair leslie steinbeck president we have our vice chair um judah gerber president we have commissioner linda winkler president commissioner pamela dent president commissioner dilla doss president um president we have commissioner diana cass president we have council member elizabeth nelson commissioner aiden michael silva um we have commissioner you should gazi at one
002president and we have a quorum oh i'm sorry and i have one more person down here i have council member travis regina president we have a call thank you you're welcome well next it's time for uh public comment okay i don't have anybody who is called in presently i don't see anyone okay do we need um do they need a telephone number or anything from you but they are the telephone number is listed um on the link and let's see if i can pull it up again and since we are on it looks like we've got ctn on i think from our council meetings there's usually about a 30 second delay and so you may want to give a minute from announcing it sure and it should be on with ctn as well the numbers
003okay i don't see it on my screen i thought you i would but if you want to call in toll-free one two one three three or audio only if you want to just listen you could also use 877-853-5247 toll-free number one plus 206 337-9723 those the numbers okay but you see nothing i don't see anyone though then let's begin okay um agenda do we have any and we have a motion to approve the agenda still up second second um diana any discussion or changes um all in favor aye looks like everybody um minutes i think we need a motion to approve the minutes from march 10th meeting i move to approve the minutes from the march 10th meeting second high second discussion no one has a discussion all in favor and it's approved this might
004be a very short meeting um something i call topics in the works we got a call from the martin prosperity oh wait a minute no we've got a call of somebody who wants to present to us um and it's an interesting thing i want you to decide whether you want to see it this has to do with racially restrictive covenants um one of the things we've talked about in this in this commission in the past has to do with the historically um segregated and still segregated state of ann arbor and how government and business policies and practices have contributed to the segregation that we now see um a couple of years ago mount martin prosperity institute released a study that identified ann arbor as the eighth most social social um social economically segregated metropolitan area
005in the country um and there are reasons for this we've got a group in ann arbor that has been researching the history of this segregation by looking at racially restrictive covenants and what these are are d there's a code like codicils to deeds that say you know if you if you buy this property you have to promise not to sell to some group of people often that group of people but not exclusively of people of color and this was went on for years and years um so michael steinberg and others have been researching this and it's a the results are very interesting keita and i attended a presentation about it on in the moon we we attended it when it was presented to the planning committee we both thought it was so interesting we actually
006sent people a link did anybody i don't know if anybody actually looked at the link but it's it's worse thing but did you even be more worthwhile i think having them present to us because we could ask the questions and the questions are very important and very interesting is this something you want to spend take i think it'll take about an hour this is something you want me to try to arrange yeah everybody agree okay we'll do it then next thing um i should have done this during the during the minutes um during the agenda can i go back and ask the agenda be modified slightly to allow i should talk about among other things the um the thing that was on the agenda toward the end of this segment the town hall meeting issues
007around that can i can we talk about that first because aisha would like to leave early yeah hi everyone good evening unfortunately absolutely early um some of you may not know i'm actually expecting in about a week so i need to yeah so baby commissioners so i um i just need to get some rest honestly um so you know the may pack the michigan asian pacific american affairs commission they've just been having calls to do town halls from everyone really and i think it would be in our best interest if we do a town hall that we initiate on anti-asian american sentiment but also you know i mean another you know black man was just killed by the police i think we need to talk about racial discrimination in our in our community i know
008there's also been you know other incidences that have gone on talk about hate talk about bystander intervention um so it's something that i propose to be doing even though i cannot probably be as involved in planning it as i would like i can definitely help to bring in speakers and bring in other people that kiss us so that is that's my proposal is that we think about a town hall okay that's basically what's that so we um i was just gonna say i think it makes a ton of sense given that ann arbor has one of the highest percentages of asian population in the state yeah yeah exactly i mean i think we're the second highest community in the state and then in addition you know as leslie just mentioned we are one of the
009most segregated communities by race economic class in the nation so we call ourselves progressive and if there's if there is a commission that can take this on and that should lead this and that's also true of the asian population in in this city as well they are segregated right largely by choice to a large extent um but for good reason right so and i think you know we've been wanting to build our kind of a community engagement presence for a while and this would be a good opportunity to do that so i'm gonna help leslie kind of build a program i welcome any of you to also participate with that um think about speakers to bring in also i'd welcome ideas so i'll be sending out an email in the next few days and and
010we will invite each of you to to participate if you like yeah so think about think about whether you'd want to this is going to take a few people who are really interested to lead the rest of us um i i think it's a good idea and this would not be with maypac um but it it could be we could partner with city council for example we could come out i mean there are things there are people we could car partner with and there are asian groups we could partner with yeah yeah i mean maypeck has said that we'll co-sponsor we just can't do the work which i understand okay and then also you know city council members like travis and lynn song started talking about this pretty early on um so i think you
011know i don't want to speak for travis but i think that lynn is interested in helping us her and i talked about this the other day but i think that we should lead it we should lead it we're the human rights commission okay well aisha given that you're about to bring life into the world you might need some help on this and um i'm happy to assist and help lead as needed that would be amazing it would be amazing um i'll reach out to you bill up please do can can i just who would be interested in doing and being working on this what is this son just sort of leading the aiden ayden okay awesome that would be great and dilla yeah i can definitely assist where needed i think that a key component
012of this because the university of michigan is such a large part of our community i think it would be crucial to also outreach to the number of asian and asian american affinity groups oh that's great on campus invite their involvement and i would be happy to serve as a liaison in that sense um while dilip uh leads the charge on this as well i appreciate it dilip that would be great that would be awesome um i think first step is maybe thinking about some dates which we can do offline and then proposing it to the rest of the commission right right anybody else who wants to be in this this sort of lead team okay i can be i can be on that because i'm interested too diana did you want to say something yeah
013i was just going to say i can help oh good okay great okay we gotta we've got the beginnings of a plan that's good i should you also want to say anything else but about this um um town hall before we leave that subject for a minute uh i guess maypack is hosting a town hall in june june 17th gonna be more focused towards educators parents families we're gonna invite the state superintendent just kind of talk about the need for you know creating api parental advisory groups in every district but also the need to really integrate like bypoc history into into clickbank um outside of just asian americans but including asian americans yeah i'll definitely start carelessly go i was wondering if this one it might not be might not be well to have uh
014chief cox there for example um just man maybe the mayor and and because i think some of them really don't understand the city as well we've got we've got immigrants and we've got people who are simply recogni identifies asian americans yeah to clarify the may pack town hall on june 17th is statewide the one that we're going to plan will be city specifics but i think that would be an excellent opportunity to bring in the mayor yeah you know the lieutenant fox or sergeant mills other people who have reached out if they want to um but just just to draw that clarity that i think we should leave the charge on creating a town hall that's specific to our community and hopefully i'll set a precedent where we can we can do this more often
015when other incidences of hate and topics all right i'd also like to see us talk about about human you know about their protections and how to file a complaint yeah absolutely those kinds of things anything else before we leave this subject to the lead team asia i should you want to say something about your award oh i won the provost teaching award and i want to thank you all because it wouldn't have happened it was really without all of your involvement and your support and your willingness to really you know um to really just help students learn i really think and they learned a lot and i hope it benefited the community too we might have enough places for opportunity later on this year huh if you're yeah i'm teaching the class again so yeah
016hopefully another opportunity terrific anything else before you go i think i'm going to stay on for a little bit longer okay i'll check out when i need to okay well we certainly wish you well i mean thank you please let us know and i will announce it you know you know it's a boy right it is a boy yep boy weeks my gosh i know okay wild ride then let us go on to trespass um for the people who aren't here and don't know where how we got involved in trespass in the first place we got involved in trespass in the first place way before there was an independent citizens police oversight commission and we were asked to take it on because trespass was looking was being considered um was people were having a lot
017of problems with it there was the incident at blake transit center there was a sense that trespass was being used as a way to control people of color uh and youth and that it tends to entrap people in a pipeline of justice system where it may not be necessary so people were feeling it was being used too much we worked on it for a long time got to know much more about it than i think any of us ever wanted to know and then uh police oversight commission was established and there was a new police chief and a new city administrator so it's put on hold for a long time but it's and and lots of things actually were changed policies were changed um the way it was enforced just has been changed to some
018extent because of the work of um of uh ariane slay um but it's but we still had a lot of trouble with it one of the big problems we had with it had to do with the fact that it that once somebody was was cited for trespass they were automatically um banned from the property for a year and we thought that's in a lot of cases that is way too much and this is and and this was i mean it wasn't even a misdemeanor it was a citation and people were just automatically banned for a year and if they had come back before the year was up they then then they suddenly had a a charge so then it got became something that was on the person's record so it was it was kind of
019a penalty with no real due process um we got together to finish out the last of the kinks that we found in trespass while while it was in our while was under our watch and so we we joined with ikpa people so we have a joint group now that's been working on it and the one issue left is still what what is the banishment time what should it be we all agree it shouldn't be automatically defaulted one year one year is the longest time that the state allows however so we tried to make it for some of these people you know maybe they're drunk at a bar and they're told to leave so maybe 24 hours for some people is enough maybe it's longer so we've come up with possibly a five choices excuse my
020cat um and the business community is still thinking about it because it turns out once you start talking to people people use trespass in a lot of different ways and people like um organizations like the library for example half people internally have processes um try to deal with it themselves and they have a one day one week one month kind of plan for themselves internally they don't call police for trespass until they can't handle it anymore and so they really do need a year so we're thinking about that that's the last big issue that's up for grabs before we talk to chief cox about this and i just wanted you to know that it's happening and that this is something that pam and judah and linda and i have been working on and it is
021almost there and you'll hear about it when it's finally dealt with but that's what's happening in that place um a second thing i wanted to update you on is the crew report study group even though that's not yeah travis sorry but before we move on i i just want i had a question about the trespass work and um wondered if in your conversations you have reached out to um some of the domestic violence shelters in the area um i think my understanding is that at times trespass is also being used to keep individuals away from victims of domestic violence or other violence um and so that may be a key stakeholder that you would want to engage with as well right yes we have we we do know about that um and that is part
022of it i like having on housing like people who are um we know about it people they're using it to keep to instead of having to do go through a restraining order and so it's it's important there are things to think about nothing is easy one of the things we've learned to being on this commission is that it's easy to think you've got a solution for things and none of the solutions are quite as easy as they look people do have lots of different issues and that is why we are the things we're on sometimes i mean i keep wondering if they're taking longer than they should but we are taking care to do it right um so the crew update anymore anything else on trespass before we leave that subject crew update um if
023you remember the crew report and many of you read it um we have we've got four people on this commission that have been working with about four people on the police oversight commission and some other people that we keep pulling in to see if we can understand this report and see if there's a piece of this this puzzle all the things that are in the report that we can do that might help i know a lot of people here when we talked about you know um things that you think are serious human rights problems in the city a lot of people talked about the justice system inequalities there and that's one place where we're dealing with it with ikpak who can that can do something about it it's that's more of their uh mandated domain
024but a lot of the other justice things that don't have to do with the police are still ours so we're involved i sent you copies of the notes for the last two meetings we've got another meeting judy you might want to talk about where we we finally where we are now on that if you will if you want to where we are now in terms of i think probably we're zeroing in on things that we might want to be yeah we've been identified a few topics that we think could benefit from further uh study and and and either by the crew people or uh others doing that kind of work and one is uh probation so you know the the original crew study raised a lot of questions and it looked at um judicial decisions
025and sentencing but it didn't look at the whole system it didn't even look at the effect of probation recommendations and that that sort of thing so we're we are learning more looking into that uh and uh let's see i don't have the notes here but um in parole and parole the parole is more of a statewide thing but we're looking at that but there's less sort of local control uh and but those are decisions that have an impact on you know the same uh the offenders that we're that we're looking at um and what was let me see was there another thing that we're looking at right now um i think it was the michigan incarceration data um judah by the witch data michigan incarceration data yes [Music] right i mean that's a source of
026information about about the things that we're looking at yeah yeah yeah pam was there something else about that that you want to elaborate on no just that that was one of the topics we had agreed to drill down and focus on and give our attention to there were several topics but we felt obviously we couldn't address all of them and do it in in a concise definitive um helpful way and so these were the two that we initially discussed although there are others that we're not necessarily excluding or not focusing on just that these were the two that we felt we wanted to prioritize one of the things that's been really interesting about this is that um one of the reasons we started it is that didn't look like anybody else was doing it and
027it is something that we're you know that is in our our area um but groups all over ann arbor are working on pieces of this and one of the so now the question is what what can we do that other people aren't doing the crew group itself has a proposal in to do more to do a more system-wide approach the icpj is doing some things they've got a number of groups that are sort of trying to figure out if there's something they can do there's a county-wide group that they're just a number of groups that are taking little pieces of this we realize that no one was taking parole and probation and that that might be something we could do that no one else is doing and it's something that seems to be a a
028place where there's enough discretion that there's probably a lot of inequity and that we also looked at i mean these are all hot potatoes right so we looked at uh you know fines and fees and and um this is a huge revenue stream for the courts they it's they kind of live off of that so you know you have to be careful when you mess with someone's income stream but uh it's also a potential source of great in inequity uh in how this affects the lives of people who have to pay these fines and fees and so anyway it's it's one of those things that we're looking at and don't know that we can do anything about it but uh it's certainly worth worth uh further study talked a little bit too about mental health
029and the police and those issues and i don't know if everybody is aware of it but the city council just passed a resolution asking tom crawford to come up with a plan where the city police can somehow partner with community mental health or some group and have a way of responding unharmed said did i say that explain that well enough but that's another another area that is and and i know that the sheriff is also doing something about that so it's the whole another thing that's going on so there's there's lots of um crew-like activity what i want to say to you folks also is that um this is this is a group where we've got less than a quorum and that and it's important for us to stay less than a quarantine that we're
030not really uh we're not we're not posting our meetings because we're not deciding anything or doing anything and we're not all it's not just one group it's a lot of people but we're coordinating it but people on who are interested who are not who have not been members before can take them part in it and in fact like aisha's not going to be there on friday maybe somebody wants to come to our meeting on friday where we're going to be talking to ariane slay and john wright reisser reeser about parole and probation and an expungement and um deferment or deflection so somebody who wants to do that let me know and and you can be a part of this it's friday at nine nine to ten thirty so we could have one more person and
031and but there are a lot of ways that other people could be involved in this if they wanna be so i'm just just so you know okay the third thing we have to talk about fair chance housing i hope everybody knows that on april 5th fair chance housing ordinance was passed and we have lots of people to thank for that um first has got to be aaron tsuganama who came to us with uh a desire to have you know to to um integrate into the community to have a good life to change everything and have trouble finding a house um affordable housing and he came to elizabeth nelson who was good enough to really listen and see that he had a serious problem that the community ought to address and referred him to us even
032before she was a liaison and we're thrilled about that because we would might have never heard about it and um and of course linda and keita who worked so hard on this uh and on this uh ordinance and margie radaba who also was just just central to this um jennifer hall who was just enormously important she was on our housing commission and gave us a lot of information about housing that we didn't have this is our second ordinance about housing vote it's not something we've really ever done before this year housing ordinances having to do with fair access to housing um and then of course there was travis regina and elizabeth nelson who who who sponsored this for us and there were five other uh city council members who jumped in to co-sponsor um and
033then there were the 17 others who were the readers of this and you know and how it helped to make it uh something that will work in the community and be an effective ordinance now the burden is on us to enforce them and that means we've got to do something we have to do at least at least one thing and that is well the the ordinance goes like this it reads like this the city shall publish and make available informing applica uh information informing applicants of their housing of for housing of their rights under the ordinance describing your restrictions and requirements of the ordinance instructing them about how to file a complaint with the human rights commission and we'd like to include source of income in there because we've never published that and this is
034a good time to do both of them this is something the city does and we don't know yet who the city is city who's going to do it but we probably are going to have to help them somehow um and that's that's one piece i won't worry about that much because maybe they won't margaret is trying to give let us know who's going to do it and who needs to you know how we need to be involved if at all but the thing we really have to do is create a complaint form and create a process to handle these specific complaints that are somewhat different from the kind of complaints that we handled before similar and different linda has just worked very hard getting a an online complaint form on our website for regular complaints
035so linda why don't you start talking we're gonna do this for wait a minute i'm not taking full credit for this denise denise nick leslie okay i was one of many so but thank you she deserves the credit a lot of it um i think we you know we just need to sit down and come up with some both the paper form like we did with the non-discrimination ordinance when we first started taking complaints on that as well as an online form now that we know how to do that um i don't think it should take long i think a couple of us working together could do it um and we need to have a separate section on the website that would describe the ordinance describe uh describe the process and it's very similar to
036what we currently do except that the ordinance itself is different and so the form needs to be different but the complaint process is the same as what we do with the non-discrimination ordinance so who wants to help judah pam great that's fine three of us should be great should be plenty great great i hope mr nelson has her hand up excuse me yeah oh you want to be part of this uh well actually i i don't know the appropriateness of me being a part of it but i didn't wanted to make a comment i um i was in a meeting account i'm on urban county and uh fair housing center gave a presentation and i had exchanged a few emails with aaron shigenama about the enforcement process and sort of trying to imagine how it
037would happen and i had i was thinking about the fair housing center in terms of testing and uh aaron's told me well they told me that they wouldn't do that or that's approximately is what he told me and then i was in a meeting with and we had this presentation from fair housing uh and i asked that question and i said i it seems like something you could test for is it something somebody told me that you didn't um and i guess they don't have funding to test for it um so it would you guys are not in your head so maybe you know exactly what i'm talking about but i would i was interested oh okay because i was interested in the conversation about that because uh it does strike me that it's a
038difficult thing to prove and uh you know somebody like aaron i mean he kind of is like the perfect example and i'm sure that there are other people out there who um who are like him um anyway i i just that was my contribution i was just curious to talk about that and i guess my other question was if you're so you talked about um raising awareness about both the um discrimination and source of income and the fair chance ordinance because these two things are sort of close together um i i wonder is there any chance that like a complaint form could be like for both of them or is there are these unique and is fair chance unique enough that it really i was just curious well source of income is one of the
039protected categories on the non-discrimination ordinance right i mean we have to sit down and think about this but i think the ordinances are are different enough that it would just be too confusing to sort of yeah i don't think we could just add as another category so for instance in the nondiscrimination ordinance criminal record is not a protected class whereas in this new ordinance of ours you can't discriminate against somebody in housing because of your membership in um because you have a criminal record so it really is very distinct and i think you get into trouble if you tried to combine them so source of income falls in the non-discrimination ordinance category and and this criminal record falls squarely in the new ordinance category i think i'd have to think about it but yeah we
040have taken uh source of income issues on the regular form in the past it works pretty well but i understand what you what i think you're going for is to be able to say if if the complaint is about housing i i understand and and we have and and we probably should make that distinction somehow in the if we've got if we're not going to put it in the housing one but it doesn't fit in the housing one but we might be able to explain it somehow in in our on the web on the website you know have a section on housing and then talk about it there or something yeah or we want we might be able to add it in i just don't know i have to think about it travis um my
041question is actually for councilmember nelson um in your conversation was did you get any indication about how much funding would be needed for a program like that to test um no actually i should say that these presentations at urban county are sort of there's a very little q a and so i like didn't i it would have been awkward for me to press really hard i i actually got the impression that um the the i had sort of thrown her off like the the question was sort of like the presentation definitely implied that they that this was something that they would test for um and they i guess they do test for it it's just that they don't they don't have a stream of funding for it i i hear what you're saying travis because
042like that was a question that sort of popped in my head and i got the vibe i got was kind of if they had a serious situation like they probably would even though technically they don't have a funding stream for it they have done it for us in the past for some because there are some things that we have had where we've had complaints about where testing made more sense and they have offered to do it for us occasionally and um i don't think they actually carried about it ever but there was the history of this is that at one point the city was paying them a stipend to handle this kind of testing and and it it has i think that if we had enough if we had if we had reason enough we
043might be able to find a way we we might have to find a way to pay them that's interesting to pay for them yeah because you're right there are there are cases where where that might come in i don't think it's automatic and they're i don't know i don't think testing is automatically necessary but it we might find that it's necessary more than we think and they have to ask for money and leslie since this is this is pam since this is going to be fairly new for us yes um a couple of things come to mind either partnering with fair housing but also with hud and i say that because when i worked for the governmental agencies we had subcontracts to do certain investigations and i know that hud has monies in fact they
044pay to have this type of work done so i'm i'm thinking that we can explore options of maybe partnering with them should we start sustaining housing complaints and and maybe dual file it like the like complainants do if they file with the state and it's automatically dual file at the federal level if it's under the same um law i'm just saying maybe explore that as an option i think we should i think and and maybe generate the income necessary to do the testing i don't know what fair housing has done up to this point i think they just did something so since this is going to be something new for us um look into exploring a partnership even a contractual relationship with hud um to get the revenue to then do the investigation and then
045have them for example um approve it if you will for consistency and ensuring compliance from a legal standpoint um not only for our ordinance but for any laws that govern housing um just as an option i know it's still new and we're still massaging and working on all of the details but i think this is something that's gonna be long term it's something that the other government agencies do on a regular so why not us and it has potential to make fair housing money anyway because they they will they will prosecute if we can't help i don't know anyway i think that i think exploring a partnership of some sort makes sense at least if nothing nothing else we will find out how much it costs and see if we have to do something to
046get that money if we need it anything else about this how about the process linda do you think the process do you want to do you want to say anything about the process of handling it other than what has already and said of handling these oh oh well okay so once we have a complaint form and i guess even before we do we do need there are four of us who have been handling complaints under the non-discrimination ordinance when they come in i was hoping that if we ever have this strategic planning meeting we can revisit that and maybe figure out a better way to handle complaints in general so that we all have a crack at it it's rotating and everybody you know knows the deal um but for now it would be good
047to have you know two or three people who were kind of ready to handle uh any complaints under the fair chance access to housing ordinance it can be the same group or it can be you know a subset of that group or it can be maybe at least one person from that group who knows to deal with handling these complaints and then some other people so whatever you want to do yeah this is this is going to become law ten days after it's published um so we may be getting complaints in the next month or two i mean that that's possible and it's probably and the first complaints i'm i'm afraid are because people will be for people who don't know about it unless they publish things really quickly i don't know you know i
048mean for now if if pam and and judah are okay with it we could be sort of the starter the start a group if something comes in early on while we're in process um but other people should think about whether they they want to handle these complaints when they come in yeah i'm fine with that for now yeah okay okay uh then let's go on to conversion therapy and lyndon i think you know more about that now too where is it remem remember that we left conversion therapy with having having voted for a resolution and a um and a um an ordinance but no one was really happy with the ordinance because it didn't cover um outside providers especially those that might come over the internet for example um and so we went back to
049the attorneys and spent quite a bit of time i think we had a two-hour meeting with four attorneys and me um and linda but linda's an attorney so you're used to that five attorneys it's fine whatever it was it was amazing and we came up with something i said you want to talk about that for a minute um well so we were able to just basically broaden the the language on the under the the main prohibition which is just one line that should cover basically um all kids within ann arbor so which would mean it would apply to therapists in ann arbor treating kids in ann arbor as well as therapists outside of ann arbor treating kids in ann arbor so that's you know that's the language now it doesn't mean that enforcement would be
050easy if it was somebody in california who was zooming into somebody's house and in ann arbor but it's not out of the question either um according to ariane i think there are some other ordinances where where something similar like that is done so that was changed and then um so it's this new lawyer who's just recently been added to the city attorney's office he read the ordinance with fresh eyes and had a lot of questions and a lot of ideas and the other part that he that he talked about was um you look very carefully at the list of licensed providers which in the draft we were working with was tied strictly to the state's public health code i think it's called so which would mean that no providers that were not listened listed there
051would be covered by the ordinance so he raised all these questions so then leslie contacted that we looked at the trevor project model ordinance which we had looked at before leslie called the trevor project we looked again at the mo the ordinances in at least three of the cities in ann arbor none of them tied their provider definition to the state health code only we were in ours so we redrafted it using the trevor project model which was slightly more expanded i mean in the end maybe not so different from tying it to the health code but it covered people not only who are licensed but who are certified or registered but then the city attorney's office is concerned that this could be read to cover clergy as well and that raised first amendment issues
052for them we consulted with another first amendment expert who thinks it isn't a problem so we're going around and around on this and it may be and diana and i think i should might might not have time now but we were all going to get together one more time and figure this out but if nothing else even if we kept the definition that was in the ordinance that we approved there was a blank in it that needed to be filled in it it listed like four different sections of the health code and then there was a blank for adding other sections and we never did that so we need to like go back look at it see what's in the state health code you know make sure we're covering as many people as we can
053resolve this first amendment thing if we decide we don't want to tie it to the health code um and i don't know if you guys have any thoughts on it now but that's where we are i think we pretty sure we will be actually done done with it um ready to like run with it um next month the next meeting and so it'll come before you at the next meeting and you'll have a chance to approve it again okay but i think you'll get a you'll certainly get a little bit more coverage than we had before and that's right um i do i do think that the discussion has been relevant and i think that everybody is really working to try to do their due diligence so that we're not coming back with problems later
054which i think is really important um so i do appreciate that people are asking questions and are looking at it and and are thinking broadly um which is good even though it takes time and and these uh these ordinances have been under fire to some extent not not a great extent but enough that that we're being very careful i'm sure you thought of this but it does concern me that there would be an exception for clergy that could really swallow the rule if you if they're acting in a therapeutic way and then they you know it has a shield so anyway nothing nothing you probably haven't thought of but yeah well no i mean happy to talk to you about it um get another view from another lawyer all right later yeah okay i'd rather
055not accept it i'd rather i i think i'd rather have it say sort of providers that are certified under this law and not list them or exempt anybody because i think pam started out with explaining that some some clergy are also social workers or you know have the degree and could continue to do this i don't think it's actually done that often i think what they're doing is they're they're getting outside people who are lower level but look like they have a degree that would make them um [Music] look like they're experts in this field so i i don't i i haven't heard yeah it doesn't mean anything i mean it does come down to a first amendment uh question and religion and um city attorney's office had one view and someone else we know
056who does you know the professor in this has another view so you know okay yeah okay well you're gonna see it soon and it's really gonna happen just just win um okay now we are at resolution to support a resolution that is that has been passed by city council having to do with um what they i don't know there we go resolution uh this is the resolution that this is supporting is the resolution content condemning hate crimes hate rhetoric and hateful acts against asians and asian americans um this is a resolution that aiden drafted for us and everybody should have a copy and it should be the copy that you got today late but i that has the changes that people made so far so does everybody have that copy okay aidan do you want
057to say something about it yes absolutely thank you so much for the opportunity to author this resolution um my thinking in my process of authoring this was that i think that as defenders of human rights for our county we need to take a very stand a very clear stand in what has happened across the nation um and i think that additionally uh in support of city council's um resolution already we need to make it clear the human rights commission is here to serve as well um i think that uh in terms of public engagement um it can seem that we are a group to just process complaints when in reality we as we've seen through this meeting are able to do so much more than that um so in the bill um i gave some
058historical contacts similar to what city council did as well as state our purpose and that we are here to serve and also provide a very clear stance that that that type of hate has absolutely no home here is something that should be vehemently opposed any and all edits or suggestions comments are more than welcome um and again thank you so much for the opportunity thank you for doing it i think you did a great job any comments about the wording any anything you want to say or any changes you want to make oh i do have one knit i could pick um okay and again i don't know if this is in the original or in ours so you reckon ann arbor cannot be a pillar of progress if any resident feels that their human
059rights are infringed upon that's pretty tough someone might feel that their human rights are infringed upon when they're not actually infringed upon and then we lose our pillar status so i'm just well i i i agree with the point but the fact that someone feels infringed upon isn't the same as them actually being infringed upon i mean that's kind of what we do with our complaints we look and see is there any basis for the complaint not just complaint itself so any suggestion to make that a little more clear any residents human rights are infringed upon not feels that just get rid of the feels that how about that that would work for me um i lost it just a second oh here we go it's like one two three four the fifth where yeah
060and if any resident say that again would you change it to well i would just um if any uh where instead of feels that just uh if any residents resident apostrophe s human rights are infringed upon how about that if any residents human rights are infringed upon right yeah that work anybody else excuse me leslie um council member nelson has a hand up oh i'm sorry i'm not looking at those blue hands elizabeth thank you i i by my first read of it i just wanted to compliment aiden and thank him for this because one of the pieces of the resolution that um felt like it didn't have anything like backing it up was the part of it where it was like resolved that were like recommending that people file complaints in this way and
061report this in this way and so i'm really glad to see this and i just wanted to say that i really appreciate this and it's i love it it's great thanks great thank you for just saying that linda and thank you for doing it aidan um sorry okay um aiden i was wondering do we able to read the comments that were offered to change it and are you okay with the changes did you have time to look at the newer draft yes absolutely i reviewed the newer draft um i have no comments on the suggested edits um i think that you are all are very seasoned at this and any sort of you know uh guidance is definitely very appreciated okay thank you so much for doing the work on it it's so much easier
062just to edit something that somebody else has done and have to write it yourself so thank you that's right thank you we're just happy to are we ready to vote on it motion move we adopt the resolution diana all in favor all of us unanimously passed thank you so this will be attached to our um our minutes um and it's sent to city council before then and i will edit it so that the council knows that it was passed unanimously thank you i have um finished the uh agenda for today's meeting is there anything else that anybody wants to say we have we have um commissioner communications at this point phillip i think you had your hand raised um i should have brought this up at the minutes but the last uh meeting we had
063a presentation from uh disabled um community members and there was this were we going to have a joint meeting with the disability commission was that on the table i talked to the chair i'm glad you asked that i did talk to the chair of the disability commission um he was very he felt like he had really talked to public health already and was happy with it it was like the next day that it was announced that people with disabilities would be included so he was comfortable with that but we agreed that we would work together then we would find ways to work together so yes that's on the table we don't have any particular thought but if you can think of something that would be helpful because i think that this is an opportunity for
064us there is an opportunity for us we just haven't used it no ever maybe once but it's been whatever it's been it's been a long long time and and uh he's he's a pretty impressive guy the chair of the disabilities commission i'd be happy to work with him so think about you know keep in mind anything else well if that's true somebody excuse me leslie council member nelson anthony sorry councilmember nelson i just have a quick update that i um that actually is for the benefit of travis as well because he's following along with us um the early leasing ordinance that were that i brought up at the last meeting oh yeah um yeah at the last council meeting we postponed it because we realized that's just substituting the number was going to be problematic
065because we didn't have a clear idea of how what enforcement was going to look like and um what's the what's really exciting now so we've had discussion now with um the director of beyond the diag at u of m and also um gail rosen from student legal services to sort of think through and talk through how how we can create a system that will work um but the the real big piece that that i'm encouraged by because we've gotten a lot of pushback from the number 240 that that was seem to be like a real trigger for landlords um the geo is meeting with central student government later this week i don't think it was last week i think it's this week um to talk about that number and see if there's if there's a
066different number that would be sort of less shocking to people because a lot of the pushback that i've gotten is literally like well that specific number is crazy like you know yeah and so i i i've been having these conversations of like okay like is there another specific number we could talk about and so um it's important to geo and i think this is like a legitimate point right that um these numbers be um negotiated and talked about by the people who are actually harmed by them and experiencing them directly um before we just start tweaking them willy-nilly and so that that conversation is happening and i'm i'm really optimistic about us having that um a clearer path forward because the um the 240 was causing a lot of anxiety i'm glad you brought it
067up because we did talk about it and i and i did see the city council meeting and they they brought up all kinds of things that no one would have guessed that none of our people are i have to say some of it i was a little suspicious of like students going to semesters abroad like that we're going to craft policy that's in the interests of that particular niche that was like wow okay um yes elizabeth did anyone did they offer any real numbers that you can share or ballpark i think i i actually could probably share um geo was telling me that they did not feel comfortable going lower than 210 and so they were that was the ballpark i think that they were aiming for um so mm-hmm and 70. way better than
06870. but i i the difference will be huge and like that really the key piece of it is trying to figure out how to make sure that uh there's compliance and that this is relevant to both ends like the students were really interested in enforcement and then i i brought a landlord into conversation with them and they were like kind of surprised that like they shared that concern because the landlords don't want to have an uneven competition like they want everybody to be abiding by the same rules so it's like this is important to everybody travis yeah i just wanted to thank you for that update elizabeth and i i know that um i talked to geo too and you know i know that they were really passionate about the 240 number but the the
069willingness to potentially negotiate down to that 210 i think would also um help to alleviate some of that argument that you know undergraduate students would be off campus by that time because that puts us more towards the end of march i think and so um there would still be like a several week period if not a month period for folks to be able to lock down housing for the next year and hopefully not have that really dramatic long period of time where folks are locked into a lease that they can't get out of um so thanks for your continued hard work on this thank you anything else motion to adjourn i move to adjourn second second on favor thank you bye now you