Winneconne School Board Meeting July 15th, 2024

001district board of education it is july 15th 2024 6 30 pm we are in the winnicott high school library 100 wolf run winnicott wisconsin meeting notices were sent to members of the press members of the school board and were posted on the front doors and or in the vestibules of district school building buildings this is a meeting of the board in public for the purpose of conducting the school district's business and is not to be considered a public hearing there may be time for public comment as indicated in the agenda the meeting will also be available to watch live at www.youtube.com forward slash winniconnie please join me in the pledge of allegiance to the play indivisible board members roll call stelzner verich here keller okay peterson here ackman here kandi here hansen uh recognizing the

002administrative team we have uh mr jarabeau ms mishler ms horvath mr muneer dr mishad mrs dodd mr katie mr dobner and i uh assume our visitor has signed in and my understanding that our visitor does want to speak for the open forum okay there is also a request for a written statement to be read as well i will read that after aaron's speaks so come on up and it's about the documents that you guys have i know i had spoken about it before at board community meetings nobody did nobody deal hi megan so i i had just talked to the school of president new london earlier today and then was in a meeting yesterday with two school board members from oshkosh and they have their agendas the with the the agendas online for the public

003to see obviously minus the confidential stuff so i'd like that on the agenda for next week or next meeting if possible to see if we can get that so we can see you know someone who's interested and wants to know what you guys are talking about i can see it so basically your guys's packets that you have make that available to the public who wants to see it online like our neighboring districts do obviously minus the confidential stuff that can't be on there but i've just wanted to make that available to you guys as well so that you guys can would be requesting for that to be on the agenda to be talked about at the next meeting so so going for our next item i just wanted to say on agenda item eight the

004policy 2264 non-discrimination on the basis of sex and education programs or activities new policy effective august 1st to 2024 which is dealing with title nine i have to assume because i don't have the board packet but it says august 1st so i don't it's title nine title nine title nine was enacted on june 23 1972 and it mandates that no person in the united states shall on the basis of sex be excluded from participation in or denied the benefits of or subjected to discrimination under the education program or activity receiving federal financial assistance in 1975 title 9 required equal opportunities for members of both sexes to participate and athletics also provided equal bathrooms to both sexes so fast forwards now the binding administration is has set a date for august 1st to implement their changes

005to title 9. under the department of education's new rule sex no longer means male or female but includes gender identity sex stereotypes so anyone who speaks out against gender identity i'm talking about students any student who speaks out against gender identity fails to recognize classmates preferred pronouns or speaks up for their civic physical safety and right not to undress in front of the opposite sex would actually could actually be punished with harassment under the new guidelines set by the biden administration so a federal court in kansas issued an opinion halting the biden administration's department of education title 9 changes in a lawsuit brought on behalf of clients for moms for liberty and young americans foundation so that order prohibits the biden administration's department of education from enforcing the new rule against any school who has

006children that attend attended by members of moms for liberty which includes myself vice chair winnable county so that includes winnicott county actually in the federal court order so 14 states have sought injunctions and 26 states are in active lawsuits over the title nine recommendations so i would say passing that is in direct violation of federal court order so i would recommend and ask you to table that tonight and also I don't even know why you'd want to pass those recommendations especially if anybody who has daughters it's just beyond my wildest dreams why anyone it's not necessary to pass it's probably not even gonna be in the end a rule or law or whatever you want to say so thank you thank you mr. Aaron's as indicated earlier we have a community member who had reached

007out to the board requesting that her statement be read that community member is Laura Ackman and this is what she would like read at this meeting I'm unable to attend this meeting due to a conflict but have asked to have my statement read aloud for the record my name is Laura Ackman I live in the Winnebago County School District and I'm the chapter chair for Winnebago County moms for Liberty group I have concerns about our school district passing a new title 9 policy in our district but I would like to take this opportunity to thank the board and the opportunity that was given to us by all of you for your involvement in this process and with this in mind we would like to thank the board's motto and resolution with over 1,500 pages of

008regulations the US Department of Education has redefined the fundamental framework of title 9 without congressional authorization by expanding the definition of sex to include not just biological sex but also sex stereotypes sex related characteristics including intersex traits pregnancy or related conditions sexual orientation are unconstitutional, erase women and girls, eliminate due process, compel speech, and strip parents of their fundamental right to direct the upbringing of their child, including decisions regarding their education, medical care, morality, and religion. Title IX now requires that schools treat students who suffer or claim to suffer from gender dysphoria as though they were the opposite sex, that a male student who identifies as a female must be allowed access to facilities designated for females, such as bathrooms or locker rooms, and to participate in women's sports and organizations. Teachers and students must

009refer to a gender dysphoric child by her, or I'd also say him, preference. That's preferred pronouns and alternative name. That no formal documentation be required to affirm gender identity. Additionally, if the administration has not provided a clear definition of gender identity, a male student could easily switch between identifying as male or female. Other Title IX repercussions include that when a female student opposes having a male on a team or in an organization intended only for women, or who feels uncomfortable sharing a locker room with a male, the female in opposition may now not... only incur social stigma but also the possibility of legal repercussions for her school team or organization that while title 9 does not strictly require transitioning be kept secret from parents in the event of a conflict between title 9 and the

010Family Education Rights Rights and Privacy Act FERPA keywords like sex-based harassment and hostile environments sex sex-based harassment override FERPA thus opening the door to conceal the transitioning process Moms for Liberty has a title 9 win that order prohibits the Biden Department of Education from enforcing the new rule against the states of Kansas Alaska Utah and Wyoming as well as every school attended by the children of Moms for Liberty members I'm asking the board to comply with this ruling and not to implement the new title 9 regulations with the which the District Court of Kansas enjoin all schools with Moms for Liberty minor children attending and that's the end of her statement if there is no one else on the open form I'm going to close the open forum and move to open session and on

011the consent agenda we will need to pull out subsection B so right now do I have a motion to approve consent agenda letters A and C through O I have a motion to approve consent agenda items A and then letters C through K and M through O motion by Cundy second by Stelzner any discussion board roll call Stelzner Aye Verich Aye Keller She didn't okay Peterson Aye Constellation aye Akman aye CUNDI aye Hanson Alright and then as her consent agenda item B, is there a motion? So move Second Motion by CUNDI second by Peterson any discussion board roll call Verich Abstain Keller Peterson aye Akman aye CUNDI aye Stelzner handson and then As for consent Ted giant agenda item L that will be table remit item L, that will be tabled. Okay, moving on then

012to the Winneconne Kid History, how Winneconne became a sovereign state. I believe there's a video to watch. Thank you, Mr. Jarabek. That was awesome. Looks like it. Okay, moving on to the electronic device policy. Respect to how their opinions on our current cell phone policy. The majority of people felt we needed to reduce access to kids' cell phones during the school day was the overall consensus of the group. So what you have before you is, again, still a draft policy talking about reducing our cell phone access at school. The first paragraph is what we created as our belief statement, the why do we feel this is important, and I think we should stress not only did the committee feel cell phones are a distraction, and deters from learning and teaching, we're really concerned about the

013mental health of all of our students in our buildings. And actually, that might even be the first most important reason why we're requesting some reduced access. What's being proposed is that students will not be able to bring any electronic device, and you can see them listed, to the classrooms, hallways, lunches at all. They would be secured, somehow, potentially maybe in a safe place, and or there's something called a yonder pouch, something similar to that, where essentially cell phones can be sealed into a pouch, and then that pouch stays on the student. It's, in that case, with the yonder pouch, it's secured by a magnet. They are quite costly, but that's another option. And then on the bottom page, it goes into consequences. For violating the policy, it's been proposed that the first, if a student

014is found in violation, that the teacher or other educator found the cell phone, that the student would have to give the cell phone to that teacher or person and retrieve it at the end of the school day with no further consequences other than documentation, documentation, and documentation, excuse me, in our data warehouse system called EduClimber. Second violation would be asked to put the device on the teacher's phone, and then the teacher would have to give the cell phone to the teacher, and then the teacher's desk again, and then it would be brought to the appropriate office staff person in the high school, or middle school, or elementary school office. They could retrieve it at the end of the school day from that appropriate person, and then the teacher would again document the information in our

015data warehouse, call the family, and explain that if there's another violation, it's likely they'd have to meet with administration at a future date, and then they can have their phone back. Again, the third violation. Violation 1 is just about that. Noncompliance. Obviously, there are situations where kids may not choose to comply with the teacher, and we definitely don't want to halt learning or create scenes for anyone, so the educator would just be asked to call the office for assistance if somebody were not to turn over the phone. Then we had, there's additional information. Those are just, you know, extra things. We do have students in our classroom who are not allowed to use their cell phones, so obviously that would be an exception to this, because that's very important. We also would add in our

016policy that students are not allowed to record in classrooms, because that's not a part of our current policy, so you can use that. Again, if a cell phone is used for an illegal activity, i.e., filming another student, bathrooms, whatever, that would likely involve law enforcement, because that becomes a legal matter. We're not responsible for lost or stolen devices. That's in our current policy. Camera features not to be used at school. Again, it's being proposed in the policy that they may, there might be opportunities or situations that warrant the use for that student to have their cell phone during the school day. The next section goes into FAQs. It just kind of reiterates the policy, I would say. I don't know if you have any questions on that. I think there are some unintended consequences, too,

017of this policy. I think it's important to have a policy that is in line with the policy, and we listed those on the bottom. There's probably lots of other ones, i.e., when we required students to mask during COVID, we had multiple requests for 504 plans saying my student should not have to do that. So that could be something that comes up in this. Maybe a doctor would write something up saying they need to have their phone due to anxiety or whatnot. I'm not sure what the reason would be, but that is a potential, right? As a much as we saw during COVID. Storage, I am not sure where we're going to put all these phones when we collect them on a daily basis. I'm worried about staffing, who will monitor? How does it go? Do

018we have to extend our school day because kids are waiting in line to pick up their phones in the school day? Do we have to create some? We're just not sure of how that's all going to work yet. I linked the Yonder Banks website, I also linked in Nina's policy, Nina has a policy out of sight and shut off. We do expect some of that to happen. We're not sure if that's going to happen, but I think that's probably going to happen. I'm kind of going to ask you all a couple of questions. First off, what's your approach for moving into a new school year? I think the policy is really true. I think it's kids to struggle right so we're gonna have to provide that support for them we have to train parents to

019communicate via the office with their students and in a timely fashion it seems like every time we have to find a student at the end of the school day and it's usually at the very end of the school day they're in pe art or choir or something like that or someplace in focus time where we're tracking them down so it's really difficult so we have to help parents you know communicate in a more timely basis a lot of our teams use like a team app which goes through a text messaging kind of system we have to change that to email because students will have access to email with their Chromebooks and you can go through other ones too again there's probably a lot of other unintended consequences as well with this policy but just like

020everything it's trial near right we have to get better and refine things there's nothing to say we can't change policy as we go through this policy and we have to get better and refine things there's nothing to say we can't change policy as we go through it I did that pretty quickly so I have a question why are we looking at the storing the devices rather than what Nina has done with the completely turning off and out of sight Donna Jackie or Megan do either you care to answer or okay the meeting and and was you know if if they have access to the phones in their lockers during the day or if they have access to the phones in their lockers during the day you know kids will go to their locker they might

021be late for class they're thinking in class about you know oh my gosh what's my cell phone saying I can check it in between classes and so we talked about that and discussed that we don't want kids taking their phones into the bathrooms and being late for class so um that the idea was just to get them out of I'm just going to say the possession of the student I don't mean that the way it sounds but you just have them stored somewhere or they didn't really have access to them during the day or at lunchtime we want them to engage conversation with their peers we don't want them to be anxious about oh my gosh who I sent this text to so and so are they answering me you know so the the thought

022was to just out of sight out of mind and and not allow them to just enter their phone to me them to have access at all during the day. So how is this going to... Just to kind of piggyback off of that for a second. We did have a 6th grade teacher that expressed that they did try to keep homes in lockers previously and it did cause issues with extended bathroom breaks during class and then as you can imagine still using them in the hallways during school time. So that was what kind of pushed us to that. I think another big thing that kind of led to us the recommendations that we brought forth from that meeting. A couple of things. One was, a big one for me, was that our kids are in school

023to learn and our teachers are there to teach. And if this is something that overwhelmingly on the survey is causing major disruptions, then it's an issue and it needs to be addressed, in my opinion, strictly. The other thing that kind of came forth during that little meeting with admin and some staff was just the idea that we had a staff member bring up the idea that maybe we are just servicing the older kids and not teaching them how to properly manage using a device and a cell phone. We kind of regrouped and decided that maybe we're teaching them equally as well that, you know, when they join the workforce and such, it's not appropriate to be on your phone during the day when you're expected to be working. So just a little recap on my

024end. So how logistically, I mean, these are all great reasons, and I agree with you guys 100%, but how is this going to play out when we have over 500 students in our high school, and let's just say even just half of them bring their phones to school and they have to put it someplace or log it or whatever that means. I mean, are they going to have to come extra early? You know, then those kids who have to catch a bus, you know, I'm going to have to take them to school. And if we have to send them back home, I'm hoping that they will take them to school, but I think we've got to be more flexible in that way. So I just I 100% support the policy. I just don't know how

025we're going to manage this logistically. In the Yonder pouches, I mean, I think for us to if we were looking at middle school and high school, it's going to cost us probably upwards of $10,000 just to implement that system. So I think we need to think through that more. I don't know, Peg, if you've had contact with NENA as to how their policy works for them. policy works for them? I did. I talked to a middle school teacher there. It has worked very well in Neenah. I talked to somebody in curriculum who had been a former middle school principal. So Neenah's policy essentially reads turned off, out of sight. That's in a nutshell what their policy is. And the teacher said it's worked very well. Obviously it's a learning curve in any situation. And you

026have maybe a handful of kids who are going to test anything, but once everybody was on board, and that to me, anything we do, every staff member needs to be on board in order to make it work. We can't have the outliners saying you can use your phone at the end of the day or something along those lines. But it worked very well. According to the curriculum person she said she didn't know too much about the high school, but again she reiterated that the middle school worked very well. And she said she never heard that the high school didn't work. It didn't work for high school kids. So she thinks that would have been an issue. I think this year was the second year of that policy, if I remember correctly. And, as I understand

027Neenah's policy, covers all grade levels, the same policy across? If I remember correctly, they have an elementary middle school policy and then a high school policy. But it was generally the same. But I recommend whatever is passed throughout our district. We recognize 4k students or even kindergarten first graders have an electronic device but who knows what tomorrow may bring you see that nina originally adopted a wireless communication policy in 2014. is this now the newest one has it escalated through the last 10 years and we probably don't know the information but i would assume they found themselves in a similar boat as to winneconnie meaning it's just become a real distraction does it can't speak for 100 does nina consider that a ban of some sort or just limited use i i missed that question

028um does nina consider this a ban on cell phones oh i don't think so i don't think so either i think they're just um in reading their policy they just don't want them accessible to the kids during class time um okay there's a there's a lot of my my whole concern is there's a lot of research out there now about what cell phones are doing to the mental health of our children and our students and it's it's now there's research and there's a book called the anxious generation and there's a there's research in there that backs up the data about how cell phones interfere with the mental health of our students um as as megan reported um i'm interested in when teachers are in school and if they're in those spaces um if they're in

029those spaces that would be really very helpful to share that information i don't know i really want them to be teaching i don't want them to be cell phone police um i want students they're learning i don't want them to be thinking about who's texting who about what and um i just think if we take them take access away um academics or academic scores will raise I just feel pretty strongly about it and think it has a lot of benefit. Donna, how would you propose the collection takes place? I guess, what do you envision? Well, I personally am just looking at, I don't know, Peggy, did you attach the Medford? I did not. So Medford, I got a grant for the Yonder Poaches. They're implementing them this coming school year. And actually our office staff

030member that was on our committee reached out to some colleagues in Medford, friends, and they're excited about the coming school year. I'm supportive of having a policy, but I'm not supportive of having someone monitor it. I prefer the turned off and out of sight and then just have stricter consequences. First violation is free, but the second one is you can't have it. I would rather have a stricter enforcement to where they, well, it's a new policy, a little bit of leeway, and then all of a sudden they can't have it. I would rather do that instead of saying, okay, everybody line up at the office and hand it in. There's a lot of things there and I don't like other people touching my stuff. I agree with you, Earl. I think you get one pass

031second time. And every morning that cell phone's reporting to the office. And maybe then do the reset at semester. But my concern, if we appropriately define what that learning environment is, which is within the walls, confines of the school, and between the school hours, your cell phone's out and you get caught. I mean, yeah, have some strict consequences. And in addition, kind of to what Megan said, aren't we teaching them better to have it on their person, but not accessible, right? Not usable. And you're teaching them that they need to be responsible and not use that phone even though it is in their possession. I mean, I think that's better than taking it away. I would make a motion to send Nina's policy to NEOLA for wordsmithing that fits the policy. Which is our current

032policies and educational requirements, right? Because NEA is a little bit bigger. Something that would mimic them where it's more of a turnoff out of sight. Well, it still has the policies put forth through the PR committee that has all of those things kind of taken into it. And that's kind of what we pay NEOLA for, right? Is to make a good policy for us. I would be in support of that. I have a question then. So what does that mean? What does it mean, turned off out of sight? They can have it on their person and they can, like, power off? it up in between classes they can have it during um their recess or their lunch or their break and not interact with their peers or what what i think we need more clarification

033if that's the way you want to go i don't think powered off and and out of sight is clear um my understanding is that it's powered off out of sight all day during the school day however we can create whatever we want to create we can make that more clear if that's what the board wishes to do meaning yeah i would i would prefer to send it to nyola with some options for us to come back and then send that to policy and then policy brings out a good policy for the board to vote on so then we have the opportunity to look at multiple options probably not just nina but medford and all these other opportunities that nyola works with i'm sure someone has a good idea of what that would be like to

034do that's what i'm hoping to do is to make sure that we have a good policy that we can get options for i would like to see in the locker that seems like a reasonable central place to keep it my thing is i don't want to monitor that right like i don't want some i don't want you know or sro who's later on the on the list to go through and say it's not in your locker i i personally i don't care i work with i have 70 people that are on my floor and we have a policy that says you know you can't use it and so if they use it there's a strict consequences and there's steps that take place like not that's that's micromanaging and i'm not a micromanager here's the policy

035we found you in violation of the policy here's the consequences moving on like it makes it real easy for our admin it's very clear there is no buffer there is no fluff it's just here and here moving on to the next step yeah i hear you there's probably a policy out there that a school district has i hear you um the thing is you know kids they don't necessarily have all the controls that we have as adults i think they get very tempted because of the addictive nature of the internet again we can't make we can make assumptions all day but like yeah i think we just have a very black and white policy and just say you get strike one strike and you're out right okay i think we can probably put up the

036policy and come up with a good solution that meets all of our needs this district and kind of um all right so peg is there um is there a way that we can because you know we would like to roll this out obviously for the beginning of the school year um we're going to have to do a lot of work to get it out of the school year um but i do understand earl's you know suggestion about you know making sure that we get it right and looking at a couple of couple other options um to compare nina um is there a way that we could agree as a board tonight that we want to move forward with a certain part of the um recommendation so that we can start working on the logistics of

037it all absolutely and do come back with like specific policy that's going to be adopted by the district at a later date absolutely there's a motion on the table that essentially says um let's look at policies that are essentially turned off out of sight but will win a connie isaac um i am certain neola those of you who've been on the policy committee will get a draft policy that has multiple options on how their policy can read and i'm sure i can have those our representative melanie if she's available tomorrow i can have the options for policy um very soon um i think that's going to be something we can do um i think it would be great if we could get it to uh uh the the board or to support mr peterson's motion

038just starting that communication with parents now would be great we don't have to have every detail worked out as right now but we'll get the word out that hey this is what's going to happen this is what the board expectation is get it to our teachers i think it's very doable megan to get something rolling earl can you repeat your motion please off out of sight with the ability to send it to NEOLA for proper documentation with options to be presented to the policy committee. That sounds about right. That's kind of. I'll second that. Dewey, I have a question. If we're not, now, what's before us is this policy, which it sounds to me like we're not going to approve. So do we need a motion or can we just give direction? I'm taking, I

039would take Earl's motion as direction. I think, I feel like it's okay. I mean, I know what I, I know if this goes through, I know what I need to do tomorrow. I do have one comment that I would hope is an option to either be included or excluded with this NEOLA proposed policy. And I really don't like the, obviously for medical reasons, yes, children should have those. I do not like the family emergency situation because I can see the parent who wants their kid to have that device to be making up emergencies. And then we become police of that. And it is, from my own experience and not in emergency situations, I could call the school and my child is notified of a change of pickup plans, things like that. They know within 15

040minutes of me calling. So I don't. And besides who wants to hear that grandma died via text message? I know I would, I wouldn't want to tell my children. So I just think we should eliminate that altogether and keep it cut and dry. That is just for educational purposes or because of a medical exclusion. Is there any further discussion? So are we, I'm sorry, I didn't hear everything you said, Jill, and I apologize, but so are we voting on Earl's motion or not? Yeah, well, we're discussing it and Jackie was going to make a comment. My comment, Donna, was just I didn't like us having to police whether or not a family emergency is legit. I think the kids should only be able to have the phone if it's the teachers want it for educational

041reasons or if they have a medical need. And my comment was, Donna. I mean, you know, keep in mind that they all have electronic devices. They all have Chromebooks. Right. Email. Right. Okay. Well, there's no. I know. I see in there that it says unless the teachers want to use it for educational reasons. I know there's like, what's that? Kaput or knook. There's some little game. Kahoot. Yeah. That the kids play. And it's educational. I've seen it played out. So it might be in that scenario. But yeah, I agree, Donna. It should be only for the medical reasons then. So back to your question. Is this giving direction or is it actually staying as a district? We want to put together a policy for electronic device use. And then we would approve it in that

042fashion with the suggest suggestives after that for Neola to bring back. Yes. Yes. I feel comfortable in moving forward with the direction, but getting the communication out to the parents, letting them know that a cell phone policy is going to be in effect. What that means. We'll know in August before. Essentially. Yeah. It will be essentially. Turn. Off and out of sight unless for educational or medical purposes. So you can still kaboom. Kahoot. Kahoot. Kahoot. So we're moving the policy. No policy. Just moving in for it in a direction. In your motion. Yeah. That's why I was confused. Thank you. We're kind of just referring it back to Neola and it'll go back to gain a policy committee and then it'll come back to the board. And in the meantime, Peggy is just getting the

043word out there to parents and communication that this is. The direction we're going and to be prepared for the school year. Is that. Do I have it more eloquently put by Jackie said. Okay. That's exactly what I want. Thank you. Okay. So any further discussion. Well, I'm sorry. I still need to know the motion is to is the motion out of sight and powered off. The motion is to move it to policy to committee. Well, basically. Well, it's. Out of powered off out of sight with Neola putting together a more formalized policy as I understand it. All right. Roll call. Very rich. I. Keller. Hi. Peterson. I. Atman. I. Condi ice tells her. Hansen. No. Okay. Moving on to policy 2264 non discrimination on the basis of sex and education programs or activity. Okay. Okay.

044Okay. This would be a new policy effective August 1, 2024. Okay. Got this on good. Okay. Our policy committee of Earl and Dean and myself. We had met reviewing the policy that was brought forth. As well, brought forth from Neola and when Peggy brought this forth, we talked on the fact that we would have our legal counsel for our district as well. Tony running as well. Look over the policy. to see how he felt the alignment was based upon the policy coming forward from NEOLA. And the policy is a new policy, special update, Title IX, June 2024, non-discrimination on the basis of sex education programs or activities. You each received your policy a few days earlier. After we had met as a committee, we felt that we wanted to make sure that we got it

045out there for any questions and time to read through this, being that this policy is quite in length. And so as we go through this on 8-1, when we sent this out, you noticed that there was some color-coded, the color-coding in the yellow and the green meant the yellow was the drafting notes, which our legal counsel recommended that we do not, that we pull out from the policy, being that they're drafting notes, and anything that is in the green would be, left in the policy as his review. So as we roll through this, and each page will go through, if there's any questions and any noted options and or check as we review this as a committee, we will as well let you know that. As we start out through the new policy, special update,

046Title IX, 2264, non-discrimination on the basis of sex and education programs or activities, the first paragraph, as you can see there, there is a potential of a checkmark to be put in there for 2266. We will not, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, to, again, the acronyms, and I'll try to as we go through this because there's a number of them. As far as admin guideline 2266, and then as you see, the yellowed portion, end of option, we are not going to be putting a check in there. Let me, please refer to the shops and other policies, so please be moved by the that's stated as we go through the policy as well. And as we go through 8-1, the drafting notes are, are highlighted in yellow, those would be not part or eliminated from the policy.

047Any questions on 8-1 any further? As we go through the next page, 8-2, again, those would be legitimate rule, and again, those key recommendations in our rules, as disbarred for the Psychology Office stated in the summary, highlighted areas are removed and as we look through this if we miss anything that is light in the green or the yellow please speak up because I'm trying to make sure that we include everything is included that is to be and it is sometimes a little bit difficult to see the different coatings 8-3 as we go just in the quarter of the way down under non description a non-discrimination overview the board of the Winneconne Community School Winneconne Community School District is added 8-4 as you notice in 8-4 the sentencing of discrimination on the basis of sex includes

048discrimination on the basis of sex stereotypes sex characteristics pregnancy or related conditions sexual orientation and gender identity is left in per council is left in per council is left in per council is as well as policy the next page 8-5 if there isn't any other further questions on 8-4 8-5 as you notice the policy 2266 as it starts the first sentence in the first paragraph as well is omitted from the policy and as we go down the rest of the policy understanding where it starts the key definitions and so on that is all part of and left in the policy 8-6 on the very top complaint it explains what is przämником explains what complaint means that is left in the policy as well as we roll down through slide 8-6 the remainder of that language

049is for admitted 8-7 page as an example of the first ending part of the paragraph in theiro the first ending from the paragraph to the end of the paragraph from the prior page as you look at that is omitted that whole page if you look at that page as an example the first internet which isYY7 for the Ф yer to if you look at the few day that page as an example jedesya is not noncolonial 43 but it Province so even if you don't underneath but you know all theрыв field or other prior page as well as the start where it says end optional language is not part of the language of the policy and as you go three-quarters of the way down under eligible student you'll see the drafting notes are pulled out eight

050nine word start parental status any questions on that page as well understand that it does explain as far as what parental status means a description of what a parent is and what it means as you go down each of those that are listed 810 as well it goes through the page as far as the remedies respondent retaliation and so on as we go through the policy that language all stays within the policy 811 continues if there's any questions as we go through just ask or let us know so that we're not going to pass something that you have a question on 512 domestic violence where that page starts and as well the language on 812 is part of the policy 813 where we start our design design excuse me design to protect and all the

051way down through parental family and marital status pregnancy or related conditions when we start the next paragraph under students the board prohibits discrimination in its education program or education activity against any student based on the student current potential or past pregnancy or related conditions. We do put a check mark in that first box there where you'll see the green additional language reading. The board will permit a student based on pregnancy or related conditions to voluntarily participate in a separate portion of the district's education program or activity provided the separate portion is comparable to that offered to the student who are not pregnant and do not have related conditions. That's the language that's kept in and eventually as you read down through end of option that is pulled out and then as we read down further

052you'll see some. I'm just going to quick interrupt. So I look at that language that's if that student wants something separate it's not going to be like a mandatory thing. Oh you're pregnant you got to go here. Okay. Right. That's exactly what. Okay. Okay. Sorry Mark go ahead. And as we go through this we have questions. Peggy answer my question as far as this policy being a lot of procedural. Yes. As we go through the policy. It'll get into how to handle. Correct. Okay. Then any further questions on that particular area we'll move on down through. As you see the language is being pulled out in other words down to the rest of that where the end option and drafty notes as well are pulled out. 813 any further question. 814 as we continue through

053that it is indicating district responsibilities respect to a student's pregnancy or related conditions that language within the policy is is maintained and kept in his language. 815 as we continue through. Okay. Three quarters of the way down. You'll see that the light or the yellowed area as far as admin guidelines 5751 and so forth going through education services for school age parents end of option is that language is pulled out. 816 as you see the drafting notes through the policy and the drafting mode the notes on 816 are as well pulled out. We start to talk about the title nine coordinators. Within the policy here. And as you see in 817 we go down through and it starts to list and designate the board designates and authorizes the following individuals to coordinate its efforts to

054comply with the board's responsibility under Title nine. And this is where I'm sorry. Yes. The individual person as their title nine coordinator. New I had suggested that the individual person as their title nine coordinator. New I had suggested that the individual person as their title nine coordinator. New I have suggested that we just lift the title and perhaps generate a whole separate email. Was that discussed at all expression as the email, explain a little bit more of what your maybe asking I don't recall we did anything is that as a condo an individual to be the the coordinator or on the fence Know what I think suggested to that there would be a specific email to the title. No the Neola suggested that there be a specific email to the issuesadas ihm that they suggest.

055Title IX coordinator rather than using the individual's district email? Do you see what I'm saying? Oh, yes. Oh, it would be like title9complaint at w-c-o-d.org. Yes. Yeah, exactly. Yes. We did talk about that. Did we? We did not. I'm sorry. Thank you for bringing that up. That we did not talk on. We, David, we certainly can do that. Correct? Yes. Okay. Yes. Yes. And then are we going to list the individual's name or are we just going to put the position in there like the director of learning? It will always be the, rather than putting like Peg Mishler's name in there. We have to put the name in and like Peg Mishler as director of learning, we have to put that. Well, I don't think we have to put the name in there because it

056says- Yeah, Neola suggested that to, I read it somewhere. So that they don't have to change the policy every time there's a change in personnel. Right. Yeah. Okay. So I thought that the policy of changes had to be made according to the person, whether that had to be put in, but I thought that it was said that it had to been put in. So it says in the drafting notes, the board must list either the names or titles of the Title IX coordinators while the board may list both the names and titles. Neola suggests that the board only lists the titles. So the board does not need to revise the policy. So in this case, if we wish to list the director of learning and our second person is our athletic director, we could do

057so. I don't know. Thanks. Go on. Let's do that. And I appreciate your question. I just want to make sure that we understand then that we're going to put the position in, not the person's name. And this falls under the direction of some of the notes that were highlighted to take out. So I appreciate you reading those and bringing that forth as a suggestion for the district. We also have to keep in mind then that Neola is recommending a male and a female contact. So when those positions change, we may need to amend it at that time. But I do like the idea of not listing the names. And also as far as the male then would be our athletic director. Okay. Anything further on 817? 818? 819? As we start on the top there

058where it starts to indicate. The board designates. We will be checking that. We'll be checking that. The board designates the coordinators as far as the athletic director and the director of services. Peggy, was we only going to list just the one and overall Peggy position would be the go-to? Yes. She is the primary. Tyler is the secondary. Okay. Okay. So I understand then that Peggy would be the primary and Tyler would be secondary. And then as well as going through this policy, if you see there, there is a little bit of a difference in color coordinating there. As the coordinator is ultimately responsible for oversight over the board's compliance with its responsibilities under Title IX. Okay. So the next sentence, if you see the Title IX coordinator, I think it was an error there with

059Title IX coordinator may delegate specific duties to one or more designees. And then as you notice the next paragraph drafting note is omitted. As we go down through the policy again, where we put a check mark, we put a check mark in the Title IX coordinator shall report directly to the district administrator except when the district administrator is a party to the board. Okay. So the next sentence, if you see the title IX coordinator is a party to a complaint, under such circumstances, the Title IX coordinator shall report directly to the board's legal counsel. And in most cases, if there are complaints, our legal counsel is definitely going to be called in. Is that known to people who are legal counsel? I mean, I know we all know, but is that accessible information? Do we

060need to? Well, we know there's going to be a lot of staff training. Peg and I have done some training. Peg's had to do more training than I have had to do. And there's plenty more to come, as I understand it. And we haven't worked through all the staff trainings yet. I just, my concern with that is district administrator reports to this board. So why are we not including board president and board legal counsel? Because how are we? Okay. So we, I mean, we're making the assumption that Tony will reach out to the board president if it was the district administrator who's subject to a complaint. But I mean, I would, he has no governance, no control over this district. So you know, I don't see why we couldn't check both the board president and

061the board's legal counsel. I think you certainly could. I mean, in our case, the good relationship with Tony, and I think he would help us through. But we might not always have Tony. We might have somebody else from his firm or another person. So I think it's a fine idea and there's nothing wrong with that. Yeah. And I'm not suggesting or. I'm suggesting and so that the people at this table are kept abreast of the situation. Okay. And for the rest of 818, as we go through, there is no check mark there at administrative guideline and or end of option is pulled out as well. 820 on the top. How about 820? Okay. So there is no part of that there. There is no check mark because that is pulled out. The title nine coordinator

062is responsible for notifying all participants, that language. So there is no check mark in the top portion. And as well as you go down through the drafty notes, they're as well taken out of the policy. The last paragraph, as you see under notice of non-discrimination, the very last sentence of their word states C, administrative guidelines. There is no check in there as well. 820. 821. As well you see the drafty note is pulled out. Any questions on that as well? 822. As you see in the third, the start of the third paragraph, for the check mark area, that as well, there is no check mark. And as well in that paragraph to the very end, where it starts with nothing here in, there is no check mark in that ending as well. It is omitted

063and taken out of the policy. Okay. Starting with the complaints as we end the page of 8-20. Any further question? All ready? The next page, 821. Any question? 822. As we start report, the district will need to comply. As we go down through there in the second paragraph, you see there's an area that we could potentially have a check mark stating and administrative guidelines. So that's the first paragraph. The second paragraph is the district's report. And the second paragraph is the district's report. And the second paragraph is the district's report. We do not check that. As we go through that policy, Peggy, towards the very end of that sentence, I see there is some green area there. Was there a check mark in that one as well? I don't have the guidelines yet. Okay. As

064we go down through the third paragraph, starting and going through, it's Title IX coordinator shall determine after consulting with the board legal counsel, that stays in, after consulting with board legal counsel. Okay. All righty. 8-23, in the first full paragraph where it starts, a person is entitled. We do have a checkmark right after the Title IX regulations checkmark, which are detailed in Administrative Guidelines 2264. End of option, and the next drafting notes are omitted from the policy. Next is 8-24. As we go down through there under basic requirements, and we start all persons involved with implementing the grievance procedure and or other aspects of policy 2264, including the Title IX coordinator, the investigator, the decision maker. That stays in right after that, and the appeal decision maker, and a checkmark is in the box there

065where it states, and the facilitator of the informal resolution process. And then end of option is that in parenthesis there is taken out. In the very next paragraph, there is a checkmark in the very first sentence of that where it states, the Title IX coordinator may serve simultaneously as the investigator and or decision maker. And to the bottom, the last paragraph, there are a checkmark in where it states, Title IX coordinator shall, in consultation with, checkmark and approval of the district administrator. And are we talking possibly the board president in this area as well? I mean, the last one was the concern because the district administrator who keeps us abreast of everything was excluded. I wouldn't see issue here because, I mean, Peg reports to us. She's going to report it or not, whoever's in

066that position. So I don't think it's necessary. Okay. I just wanted to point that out. Okay. I think that was a question because we have stated that that will be pulled out and we would not have a checkmark there. As we go to the last couple sentences of that paragraph as well, similarly, the Title IX coordinator has authority, a checkmark in consultation with, and the approval of the district administrator. And then right after district administrator, there are no checkmarks then as well in the remaining board, board president as appropriate, and an option is as well taken out. Okay. And then the next paragraph, 825 starts with the district presumes. In the very first or third paragraph where it starts with the evaluation, evaluation, the Title IX coordinator will determine whether to dismiss a complaint or

067investigate it within 10 days of receiving the complaint. The very next paragraph, investigation, the Title IX coordinator or designated investigator shall ordinarily complete the investigation. Within 30 days of the Title IX coordinator determining the charges require investigation. And as we go through that further, if however the Title IX coordinator or designated investigator determined that the investigation is going to take longer, the Title IX coordinator will so notify the parties and the district administrator. And will thereafter keep the parties and the district administrator's checkmarks in each of those areas informed of any changes in the investigation. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. improved status of the matter on a regular, once the Title IX coordinator designates the investigator, provides the parties with access to either the relevant

068and not otherwise impermissible evidence terms and or accurate description of the evidence. The parties will have five days, five days to respond to the evidence or description of the evidence unless Title IX coordinator approves the parties in request for more time. Any further questions on 825. 826. As we start through the paragraph, again, it's inserted within 10 days of the deadline for the parties to submit responses to the evidence, descriptions of the evidence, and a checkmark is there again unless the district administrator approves an extension of time, which must be communicated in writing to the parties. As we go further down to the appeal process, again, the five days is inserted. Any further questions on 824, 825, 826, 825, 827, here we go, I had a page that was missing within the policy. Sorry about

069that. 827, as we start the Title IX coordinator on the top, we go down to the third paragraph there, evidence provided to a confidential employee. There is no checkmark there. End of option is taken out of the policy, but we do maintain the language unless the person to whom the privilege or confidentiality is owed has voluntarily waived the privilege. And as we go down through towards the end of the policy, understand. We do have a checkmark in the Board's Title IX grievance procedure and informed informal resolution process. So there is a checkmark there in that last box. 828, any questions on 828 at all? 829, it starts with discrimination under Title IX. If we go just start down the first page there, select options. Option one or option two. We are selecting option one. Upon

070dismissal, the Title IX coordinator will promptly notify in writing the complainant of the basis for the dismissal. If the dismissal occurs after the respondent has been notified of the allegations, then the Title IX coordinator will also simultaneously notify in writing the respondent of the dismissal and the basis for the dismissal. That language stays in the policy. And as you see, we go down through the end of option one or option two. That particular language is not part of the policy. And or the end of option two is pulled out. But the Title IX coordinator, the last paragraph, is still staying within the policy. 830, as we go a little more than halfway down, just about three quarters down the way on this page, you'll notice a checkmark potentially in the area where it's, see Administrative

071Guidelines 2264. There is a checkmark in there. The next page, 831. You will notice that the, if I see my color coding correctly, informal resolution stays. And that is in lieu of resolving a complaint through the board's Title IX grievance procedures, the parties may instead elect to participate in an informal, resolution process. So what is that? I mean, it's not defined in here. So... ...investigate to make sure on our end we're doing things to prevent what happened. But it doesn't go through the formal process, but they just sit down and act like a mediator to that. Would that be in cases when somebody would admit to their wrongdoing? I'm not sure. I mean, and so the whole investigation... ...the whole investigation... ...would be based on that. Right. So if, let's just say they elect to

072do the informal grievance procedure, and someone has second thoughts on that, does that mean they can open a complaint? Yep. Okay. Any further on 831? 832, as you notice on the very bottom, questioning the parties and witnesses, that language is taken out. Drafting note on 833, there is no check marks on any area of this particular page of any options. 834, same being, as you've noticed, the highlighting is pulled out. No check marks in any additional option. I must have missed this policy, but if I'm reading the drafting note correctly, since it's going to continue as to whether the divorce selects option one or two, but has reservations of option three. So I'm thinking we should read through option one and two and then make a decision. So we must have missed that at our

073policy. And is that on... Is that 8... Did I jump too fast to the next page? That's on 834, and I apologize if I did. 834, okay. I mean, actually, going back to 833, we should select option one or two as well. Mr. Ben? So option one, where it starts as a part of the investigation, is that what we're talking? Yep. So we should check mark in option one. Or refrain from addressing this. Okay. So maybe we decide, I can't remember at our meeting, Earl and Dean and Mark, if we decided not to address this. No, I had nothing marked. I have no notes or... Maybe that was it. Yeah, the yellow means... The yellow means it's going to be omitted. I think that your opening, potentially, I wouldn't select anything. Then we don't have

074to on this one, and I apologize, I must have jumped to the next page too. No. Because, you know, I like the idea of the investigator's notes, files, and opinions being kept private. Because I think that the investigator could really have some backlash, and if we don't have to include it, why would we? I think we did discuss this, but it was all yellowed out, so we agreed with following legal counsel and leaving it out, right, because it opens us up for some of those things. So that's why I don't think we had anything checked there, if I recall. I don't have my notes. And not to discredit the importance of a policy, but sometimes I think we did talk about less check of option would give us less of a bearing if things came

075about that had to be a part of a policy that was coded as an option to give. And so just based on that comment, the yellow that's highlighted, that is based off of our legal counsel's recommendations and not policy. Okay. So I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. It's not policy. Okay. That's good to know. Yes. I should reiterate the fact that our legal counsel looked over this and Neola's presentation, and they both were in agreeance with each other's notes and our comment as far as keeping in the policy and or omitting from the policy. And so we'll start on

076835. Can we go back to 834? Okay. Okay. Does not have an opinion as to whether the Board selects option one or the other. We can go back to 834. Okay. Okay. or two but has reservations about three um again maybe we're reading it as tony does not want anything and i think now that i'm processing our meeting from a week ago i'm thinking that was our line of thought so i think we're okay i apologize okay so you're saying that we're not taking any we chose right to take any yes and on the part of 8 35 there is a check mark in the very first after the parties have opportunity to review the relevant and not otherwise impermissible evidence or an accurate description of this evidence the decision maker may we have a

077check mark in may and as we go down to check option one allow each party to propose submit in writing relevant questions to the party once asked of any party or witness and a decision maker will review any relevant and not otherwise impermissible questions submitted by the party to the parties and ask those questions of a specific party or witness that the decision maker determines in the decision maker's sole discretion may lead to to probative evidence that will assist the decision maker determining whether sex discrimination occurred the decision maker's decision to ask or not ask a specific question proposed by a party is not subject to review any questions asked must be relevant and not otherwise impermissible we do have a check mark in that option. Anything else on 835? Again, I'm missing a page.

078Does 836 start with option 3 on the top? Yes. 836 is all yellow. Okay, yep. 837, the drafting note, again, as well, is yellow and pulled out of the policy. 838, we do have a check in the optional language. And if you notice their appeal of determinations, if a party disagrees with the decision maker's determination as to whether sex discrimination occurred, the party may file an appeals, must be submitted in writing five days of the appealing party's receipt of determination. As we go over into 839, is where we're indicating that the party may file an appeals between the insertion of five days and the additional language stays in. A party may appeal a determination on the following basis. Procedural irregularity that would change the outcome. New evidence that would change the outcome and that was

079not reasonably available when the determination was made. And the Title IX coordinator, investigator, or decision maker had a conflict of interest or bias against complainants or respondents generally or the individual complainant or respondent that would change the outcome. That language stays in. And as we go down through the page, the checkmark where the complainant may not challenge the ultimate disciplinary sanction or consequences that is imposed. There is a checkmark there and that language stays in. And at the very end of the page policy, a checkmark is in the area as set forth in Administrative Guideline 2264. Any further questions? Any other questions on that page? 8-40. As we start on the very top of the page, the checkmark is in the area of the Title IX coordinator will designate the district administrator. Other designee to

080be the appeal decision maker provided the district administrator or their designee has not been otherwise involved in the grievance procedure. The investigator, decision maker, or informal resolution process facilitator and appropriately trained. Any other questions? There is a checkmark in that particular language. Anything further as we go down through that page? 8-41. On the very top of the option one, we do have a checkmark there. And this language is kept in when a party files an appeal, the party must set forth the reason for the appeal and the other party will have five days to provide appeal decision maker with a statement in support of their position. Once the decision maker receives the statement, or the deadline for filing such a statement expires, the appeal decision maker will have ten days to issue a decision on

081the appeal. That language stays in and we do have a checkmark within that option. Anything further on that page? 8-42. You can see where the drafting notes are taken out of the policy and on the very bottom, option one, we do have a checkmark in that particular box. 8-43. Any other questions? 8-43. Any questions at all? The language on the very top is part of that. Simultaneously notifies the parties in writing of the result of the appeal and the rationale for the outcome. That's part of the option one that we did check on the prior page. That language stays in the policy. 8-44. It starts with the district's behalf. As we go through the full first paragraph, on the bottom there where it says, referral to employee service, referral to employee assistance program and other

082similar measures. We do have a checkmark in that particular box. Anything else on that page? 8-45. Down on the bottom, disciplinary sanctions and remedies. Following a determination that sex-based harassment occurred, the district may impose disciplinary sanctions which may include for students in formal discipline, writing assignments, changing of seating or location, preschool lunchtime, after-school detention, in-school discipline. And is there one on the end there? Check in with assigned staff member. Additional training or activity as well. Yes. Participating in educational or training activity, changing class. That's part of it. I have a problem reading some of his writing here. I know. Changing class. Relocating movement to avoid. And those are the guidelines that's within the student in formal discipline. And I apologize for some of the reading that our attorney wrote. It's hard to read his writing.

0838-46. As we go through there. Three-quarters of the way down where it says for employees, we have a checkmark in oral or written warning, written reprimands, required counseling, required training or education, and demotion. We have a checkmark in each of those. As we go on to the next page, 8-47. As well for employees, suspension with pay, suspension without pay, termination and any other sanction authorized by the applicable board policy and or employee administrator handbook. That language is left in and each of those are a checkmark. As we go down through the remainder of that policy, just the drafting notes are omitted and taken out of the policy. 8-48. Any questions on that page at all? 8-49. There are no checkmarks in that first application of the First Amendment. There are no checkmarks in that policy

084as that language is pulled out in the very first part and the very end part of that paragraph. 8-50. As you go halfway down the policy where it says discretion in application, we do have a checkmark in the language discretion in application and on the very last page, as you can see, the end of option is pulled out. That's a review of the policy. Any further questions on it? I have a question. So there's a comment that this is largely procedural and the bigger question is how is this district going to implement this? So hypothetical, we have a transgender female who is a biological male wanting to use the female locker room. How do we address that? We've had the opposite. Okay. So what we've done, we offer everybody who's uncomfortable a different place, meaning

085I can't just say to the transgender student, you have an option to use our family restroom. We have to offer it to everyone. So we would say to the student, hey, you have an option to use this family restroom or you are entitled to continue to use the locker room with the gender that you're identifying with. We've also said to the other kids that might be impacting the locker room, if you wish not to change in that locker room, we have another place available for you. Okay. So those students, so the female students in the female locker room would be notified that this is happening? I mean, they would have that notification before it happens, just so they can make that choice to use the alternate facility? That has not happened. It's been more somebody's

086brought it to our attention or, and help me, Leah, if you don't mind, in situations I think that the student who is identifying opposite of their birth gender has come to us asking for advice. So I don't know that it's been how you posed the question, but we're usually made sure that we're made aware in some manner or fashion. Yeah. Somebody's uncomfortable, I'm not sure what to do. I mean, I just, I think, as this is protecting the transgender students, we have other students to protect too. Absolutely. And I know down in, I think it was Sun Prairie, there is that situation where the female students all of a sudden are exposed to a transgender female changing in their locker room, and they weren't warned. So I guess that's, obviously if that occurred, I would

087support a female student being extremely upset and traumatized by that situation. And so, you know, I guess, I don't, I guess it's kind of we cross that bridge when we get there, but I want to make sure we're protecting all of our students. Absolutely. And I'm never going to say never, because I don't know that, like I would, we haven't had, we've had students say, what do I do? How do I handle this? And we've had students say, I don't want this to happen. So I'm never going to say that. I'm never going to say that never will happen, because I don't know that we're aware, or we could be aware before it actually takes place. I just don't know. Is that fair, Leah? I don't know. Like if she needs it, how do you

088know this is not? Yeah. And then the other thing with the pronouns, and I think our younger people are better with it than us, because I think they've had more visibility, exposure to it. But do you envision that being more of a learning tool if there is a, if there's some issue, you know? Because sometimes mistakes just happen. Right. Like using their, when in my mind it's not grammatically correct, that's your pronoun, I'm probably going to screw it up often, right? With no intent harm. And I think that'll be the big investigation. Yeah. Are you intentionally saying, you're not using their pronoun they're asking, because you feel like you can. And that just becomes harassment, right? And I don't, again, mistakes will happen. I know there are kids, teachers right now that have, it's just

089hard. And they just say, please know I'm going to work really hard to get this right, but I may not make it all the time. You know, just because it's not in their wheelhouse. I know. The thing is, we have court precedent right now. Those two boys in Keele, they won that case against the school district. They refused to use pronouns for a girl that wanted to be a boy. And they were charged with, not misconduct, sexual assault. Yeah. So they've won that case. So the courts are on our side too, as well as Sun Prairie. Those girls, they won that case. Will, Wisconsin Institute for Law and Liberty, is based out of Milwaukee. It's not even a pro bono firm. They take all these cases for free. And they're all over the country now.

090So they're winning cases all over the place. So I don't think we should walk on eggshells. You know, they're really getting back to the constitutionality of everything. Well, it's not my opinion. Don't we already have harassment policies in place? Yes. Then why do we need to do this one? Because is this... It's just reiterating the policy that redefines sex. So this is... We do have policy, what is it, 5517, which I gave you, that already does not allow for harassment. So I don't understand... This now falls under a Title IX complaint, which is a big process and... I shouldn't say big process. It's more complex. But yes, we already do. You've already passed policy that says we will not tolerate discrimination, harassment of any student in our building. Yeah, that was back... And we know

091we need to educate all of our students. Yeah, that goes back to 1972. So now, the new Title IX, the new 1500 pages, which added on to the 1972 decision, it is redefining sex from biological to your decision. Your decision. Yes. That's what that's trying to do. You don't want to discriminate against the one who identifies as a different gender, but you're discriminating against the ones in the locker room that don't want to be in there with one with a different gender. No. No, that's not what this is. So, and it has happened already in our district, we give options for everybody. If we didn't give options for everybody, we wouldn't be in the circuit. Then we wouldn't be, yeah. But we're saying if you... Okay. If you, you student who are identifying different than

092your birth gender, you have options and then everybody else in there has options as well. Keep in mind we also try to make our locker rooms in our high school more private, not due to this by any sort of different situation. So there is more privacy. Yes. I saw the new locker rooms. They look very nice. I don't know. It's still confusing. I'm sorry. No, that's okay. I think it's... I don't know if I'm ready to make a decision. It's very confusing. It was very hard to read. The colors were off. And... Unless somebody can enlighten me better. I don't know. I don't... I understand people's personal feelings on this matter because I think... And everybody's entitled to those. When we are in a public school, we have to educate everybody and be respectful of

093everybody. And I know you know that. And I know you understand that. I also feel when we're being charged, whether it's right or wrong, to adopt a policy that's been scrutinized by not only NEOLA and their legal representation, but our attorney. And our attorney is saying, I recommend you pass this policy. It very well... All of this hard work and time, it very well could be rescinded. And I understand that because that happens a lot. But we're always changing policy. But right now, we've had a lot of people who have had their hands on the wall and they have been... I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I'm telling you this. You know what? I don't know. I've had a lot of people have their eyes on this policy and make a recommendation.

094Again, you may personally have an issue. Because it seems like the issue is transgender, right? This policy is so much bigger than a transgender policy. We're talking about pregnancies. We're talking about the gamut of things. We're talking about how we're going to handle when somebody puts a sexual naughty word about somebody in a bathroom. We're talking about people maybe getting hit accidentally or something like that. hit accidentally or on purpose in the rear end, like all of this. But we have policies in place for that already. But it now falls under a Title IX complaint. So what is a title thing different than our policy? It makes it more strict and rigid and formal, potentially. And it's a federal thing. Yep, it was President Biden's executive order that came out on whatever date. Again, obviously

095the board can do whatever you wish to do. You've gotten all the advice from our attorney. Are we required to pass federal titles? We are required to pass a policy by August 1st. There are states who have put an injunction in, like Adam alluded to. But we have a policy. It's not under Title IX. It's under harassment. Yes, I understand that. It's under harassment. So if these title policies are federal, is that correct? Title IX is a federal regulation that was put into effect in 1970. And I'm not sure. I'm assuming there's other title policies. And that the federal government wants us to pass. We get Title I funding. Does that sound like Title I funding? Okay, that's why, because of the funding. Right, so they are saying, and I don't know that they will

096either, that they will withhold funding if this were to happen. I don't know if they will. Do they do that with the other title policies? Say they will withhold funding? If it's federal dollars, that's what they're saying. They'll withhold. Whether or not they will, I don't know. I don't have a clue. I just want to quick. I don't, I personally don't see this as a transgender issue. It's an issue of protecting all of our students and making sure all of our students are comfortable in the learning spaces of this building. So I just want to clarify that first. I also want to state personally, I don't like this. I think this is awful. What the Biden administration has done. They are trying to shove this down school boards throats by threatening to withhold public funding.

097With that being said, my personal opinion as a board member has to be set aside. And we have to do what's in the best interest of this school district. Or the federal law. I have the whole court case right in front of me from Kansas. So the DOE failed to include requirements for a change in gender identity. Failed to consider. Harms to non-gender students. And failed to sufficiently explain how the harm to transgender students is outweighed by the harm to non-transgender students. With respect to the use of restrooms and locker rooms. Well, but see that's Kansas District Court. We are governed by Wisconsin District Courts and then the 7th Circuit. Which actually the Whitaker case would trump that Kansas decision. Because it's not binding on this district. What is the Whitaker case? The 7th. Yeah,

098the Whitaker is what, that was about employment discrimination. But they more broadly define sex. Yeah. I mean it's, this needs to go up the line. I don't think right now, based on my knowledge of how laws play out. The Kansas Court decision is not a federal law that binds Wisconsin. Well the injunction is. The injunction does. Yeah. To those parties. It only takes one student in this district to be a member of Moms for Liberty or the other three. Right. Not defendants. And that's happened. That list has been sent to the federal court. Which means the whole school district of Winnicott is exempt. I get this is an emotional topic. Yeah. I guess I just would like to re-stress what Jill has said. If it were to be rescinded, of course we'd follow that. I

099am very hesitant to risk our federal dollars. Well I don't think our federal, if this gets tabled to our next board meeting, our federal dollars are not at risk. No. You know, I mean, and you know if this injunction is going to apply to our school district based on, you know, Moms for Liberty or being that, then this injunction should be coming down soon I would assume since this list had to be submitted by today. Right. Correct. So if we table it until the next board meeting on the condition of receiving that injunction, I think we're more fully informed. Yes. I agree. So I have a little bit higher level Title IX background working at a university. And understanding more of the Title IX policies and all the stuff there. We have to remember that

100Title IX basically is 1500 plus pages of how to investigate and resolve issues regarding discrimination based off of like sex. Right. Generally it's all inclusive. But we have policy 2260 and 2266 in place. Which if we were to ever fall under a Title IX investigation. We would be covered knowing that we already have policies and a procedure in place that show that we've given willful cause to investigate thoroughly. Me personally, I would say that we, this is policy when we went through, it's 51 pages everybody, right? We went through 51 pages. We've made great options. I think the policy as read and presented and all the options is great. If it comes through that we do need a policy to solidify whatever down the road, I say that the policy that we went over today

101is it. My personal feeling is that we table it until it's needed. Right? When we have all the legality come through and say, hey, you need this or this. I think the policy that we read today, which Mark did an outstanding job, right, is the policy that we shouldn't implement. But moving forward, I don't think or I don't feel that we need to do anything because we are covered. Because we've done the whole presumption of innocence. We've done our investigation. We have that procedure. And then for everybody that doesn't know, Title IX is not just a procedure. Right? It's a process for commonly referred to as like sports equity. Right? Like that's where we always draw into it. If people are out there that are worried that if we were to pass this or we

102weren't to pass this that all of a sudden I'm out there on the girls' volleyball team spiking it down, right, the WIA is our governing body for sports administration. And they've set a five-tier specific case on what people have to do to be eligible to change gender sports or however you want to say that. So they cover us and we follow what they say. So we're covered in that regard. I think we're covered already in the two policies that we have. So I would be comfortable making a motion to table this. We don't have policy 2266. It's a brand-new policy. So the old one is from it's comprised from prior to July 31. 31. 31. Yeah. 31. So that's just a clarification. Sure. But. So the new policy would be null and void our current

103policy enacted in September 12 or can we carry that one on? So if we were to pass this policy, that policy stays in effect with the number change saying this is what you do for things prior to July 31, 2024. This policy comes in new because it takes effect in August 1, 2000. And going back to what you said, Earl, I totally agree. It's my job to keep the board in compliance, right? Like it's my job. I understand when we need it. Right now we're being told we need it. I get it can be rescinded. I get we could do it April 5th maybe is our next board meeting. August. August. Sorry. August 5th. I understand that. I don't have an issue with that. But at some point I'm just saying I'm being compliant. That's

104my job. So what happens if we table this today? So I think. Or what happens if we approve it today? And then whatever court's rescinded by August 5th. Then we just rescind the house. Yeah, there's revisions on policies that come through the courts and statutes on a regular basis. That's why we go through all of our policies. That's why we go through all of our policies every year as the new revisions per the statutes come through. Okay. So if we adopted it today, we could rescind it on August 5th or whatever date we wanted to. And it's the recommendation of our new board. That's what they're using all of our NOLA and our attorney to approve this. That is their recommendation. Yes, that's their recommendation, correct. We looked at tonight. It's what's. Final nine policy

105board. It's what's used for complaints that happened. After. Yeah. Before August 1st, 2024. tonight. Are saying. Because Wisconsin is not involved in the injunctions. Okay. injunctions, you know, that we should pass this policy, to adopt the policy. Yeah, that's, I mean, that's, I mean, the Kansas court has no jurisdiction over Wisconsin schools. I mean, that's the issue. So even if that injunction says it excludes those schools, and if someone challenged it, I don't think they'd win, because I don't think there's any standing there. But that's more of a logistic. I believe that's what Tony has said as well. One of the words you wrote, Donna, that if something changes and Wisconsin does impose an injunction, then obviously we pull it back. Something will be discarded from our lives before it's turned to our next step.

106No, so this Kansas District Court case is saying that this injunction will be against schools attended by the children of the members of Moms for Liberty and the children of the members of the Moms for Liberty. Female Athletes United, and I think there's another, and members of Young America's Foundation, that if they apply for it, that that injunction applies to those schools. The issue, though, is that the Kansas District Court has no jurisdiction over Wisconsin public schools. So they can list it. I don't believe any Wisconsin school district has to follow that injunction. Because it's not, if it was a U.S. Supreme Court injunction, then absolutely. If it was a Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals injunction, absolutely. If it was a Wisconsin, I think we're in the Eastern District, for the District Courts of Wisconsin,

107then we'd have to follow it. But what Tony has said is we're not bound by the Kansas District Court. And if I'm reading what Tony said, at this point the issue with adopting the new type, Title 19 is how we respond to the complaints. Is that basically what it is? That's why this was very procedural. It's just basically how we respond to the complaints. We already have a policy in place. Could you refresh my memory? Is our policy in place? What are the differences between the policies we have in place and the Title 19? There are different forms of, there's harassment, like there's harassment. So that policy just includes generally, we can't, bully, harass, I forget all the other words in the policy, people. It's not allowable. It doesn't go into the procedural part. And

108this goes more in depth and it becomes a Title 9 complaint. Okay. I understand. Ultimately, we're going to follow our policies. And whenever there's an issue regarding anything, second for lack of better words, it's under this policy we need to follow this process. So there's harassment, there's bullying. Other topics, anything, anything of nature handled. The other policy that's So motion by Hanson, is there a second? I'll second the motion. I think we've discussed this enough, but is there any further discussion? So motion by Hanson, second by Cundy, roll call. Keller? Peterson? Nay. Ackman? Nay. Cundy, aye. Stelzner? Virich? Aye. Cony? Aye. Hanson? 4 to 3. It failed. It was 4 for nay and 3a, and it failed 4 to 3. The policy failed for approval, 4 to 3. Okay. Can we now bring this up?

109I have to. Okay. Moving on to the agenda item 9. Thank you. The SRO, which is the school resource officer, contract with the Village of Winnikonny. That's right. you had the contract or the memorandum in the packet and this is something the current one is expired or expiring and we need to adopt a new one. Just a side note, the village board was to have this on their agenda tomorrow. For whatever reason it's not on their agenda so it'll be whenever their next meeting is. I'm not sure when. But I have talked to one member of the board as well as the village administrator I'm just making you aware there is some issues with our portion of payment for the officers Wisconsin retirement contribution. The police have a 14% 9% contribution that is paid in

110full by the village. Our contract was always based on what we do for our teachers. I.E. our health insurance is cheaper than the village's health insurance. So we only pay 75% of our health insurance rate. So there's some people who feel however WRS should be singled out and we should have to pay 75% of the 14.9. I was pretty adamant that we're not going to start pulling out little bits and pieces of what is going to be paid more in full. Additionally, just so you're aware, a police department's contract is 1,955 hours whereas generally speaking a full time contract is 2080. 2,080 hours. So when you do the math for us he is attending 171 days in the district. So he'll be 70% of his full time contract not even 75. However we said we

111recognize he does a lot of night events, some dances, things like that. So we were willing to pay 75%. So already right now, or if the contract approves, he's technically only working 70% of his contract for us. However again we said we would agree to the 75. So just some side notes. I hope they pass it when it goes on their agenda. But they may not. So just so you're aware. So what does that mean if they don't pass it? I'm not really sure. We'll just probably have to reopen it up. But I plan to be, I was planning on being there tomorrow just to say hey listen, we're really only, he's only 70% of our time. You're actually getting 5% more to kind of give a piece to them or whatever. But I would

112recommend if we approve as is, as we've done our last contract, I don't, next thing they're going to pull out short term disability and say we want to pay that at our rate. And again we do everything based on a teacher contract rate. What's preventing us from having 100% SRO? Just in general like if we were to put a SRO on a 10 month contract. What's preventing us from doing that instead of contracting through? There's so many police regulations and I'm going to say this Ron, but they couldn't arrest somebody or get tickets because it's all under their union and rules. I'm probably saying that wrong. But essentially you have to be sworn in under a policeman's law. Yeah but what do we need him for? I mean he's not, is he writing tickets for

113us? Like in the parking lot he's pulling people over? Potentially. He could, yeah. I mean is he? At times. But I mean like maybe we need to redefine what we need from our school resource officer right? To provide like what does he currently do? What do we want to see the future? Because I think as this, as you alluded to right, they're going to continue to ask for more right? Because they're in a little bit of a tough spot right? Financially right? And the police department is like 60% of the village budget or so right? Checky? Something like that. So they're looking to leverage some of that right? So how do we work on that? I think that's what we tried to do in this policy. This is what we, these are his responsibilities and

114what we need him to do. So I believe we've tried to do that. Like we ran into this in the town right? And the town moved from having a police officer full staff to just having like a compliance or a, what do we call him? He's a chief enforcement officer. He's the CEO right? So he enforces the policies and protects and does those things but he doesn't really write tickets. So I would be. I would say Ben does far more than write tickets. Sure and I agree with that. His intent was never really to write tickets. It was to create positive relationships with kids and be that presence in the school for safety and all those things. You know that's really the problem. Why don't you just write tickets? We're trying to prevent some of

115these things. Well that's kind of the question is like what's preventing him from doing that by not being an officer? Like by being a police officer would be my question. And I did, I asked Spencer that in a way or no Monica did actually because we were talking about this in kind of a heated manner and she's like we'll just say our own and he went through the reasons why we couldn't and they were all, I apologize I don't remember all of them but essentially the enforcement PC needs to be under. I can certainly ask Officer Soria again like the rules on like. What is the action? For the 14th. It's 14, so it's 14.9% of their salary is contributed to WRS where it's 6. is it, I want to say 9 now I feel

116like it's a little off but it's in the sixes. What is the. For your own salary so it's individualized based on your teacher. Right so do you know approximately what that is $2000? No it's about $3600 we think. Okay. I feel like it's not the ballparked it. But again I don't know that they're not going to pass it that's just been brought to my attention and we had conversation about why I felt the way I did and the person expressed why they felt that. So did you want us to vote on it tonight? Yes please. I mean you can. Again it's not, I don't know when their next board meeting is because again I don't know why it didn't get on the agenda but if somebody's willing to make a motion to approve it just

117be approved pending the village approval of the contract as well. I'd like to change the effective year so that we can look at investigating a little bit different options so I know it's effective for five years is there any. You can vote there's a scene where you can both reopen it I believe. Okay. If I'm remembering correctly. I didn't get through all that. Do you want to get to the house? Yeah. Just one other quick question number five that's listed here on 9-1 have we really ever seen an activity report? I just actually that's why it's in here and so I did recently see one because I was curious but that's why it's in here now so that we can see what's happening. Okay. Because no in the past we hadn't. He's had them because

118I believe he gives them to Chief Sorrell as well as the police and fire committee but we never saw them so it's not like we didn't have it but we and I'm sure I could have asked for it when we were here too. Sure. And I think there was a part where the school was supposed to give some report to them annually. Yeah we do evaluations together. Okay. That's so but it was that part. Yeah but Chief actually is the one who's out. If we don't pass this tonight do we not have an SRO for the 2024-25 school year? Well I would hope we pass it before the school year starts again he's under contract for us for 171 of our school days. Sure. I make a motion to approve the SRO contract. Would you

119mind adding contingent? I second. Jackie made a motion to approve the SRO contract as presented contingent upon the approval of the village. I'm sorry upon the village approving it as well. So motion. Yes. But if they don't approve it then we don't have a signed contract. Right. But it won't go into effect because they won't have signed it. Then we'd have probably to create an well either or a compromise. All right motion by Stelzner second by Ackman if there isn't any further discussion board roll call please. Peterson. Ackman. Aye. Conde aye. Stelzner. Aye. Virich. Aye. Keller. Hanson. Okay the 24-25 academic standards. And then they are placed on our website. So there's nothing required of us. And this is just an FYI? No we need approval. Okay. I'll make the motion. I'll make the motion

120to support the public notice of academic standards 2024-2025. Second. Motion by Conde second by Peterson. Any discussion? Board roll call. Ackman. Aye. Conde aye. Stelzner. Aye. Virich. Aye. Keller. Peterson. Aye. Hanson. Moving on to number 11 24-25 fees. Looks like there's a modest fee increase for lunches. I move to approve the 2024-2025 school fees. I will second. Motion by Peterson second by Stelzner. Any discussion? Board roll call please. Conde aye. Stelzner. Aye. Virich. Aye. Keller. Peterson. Aye. Ackman. Aye. Hanson. Moving on to item number 12 creation of girls wrestling varsity head coach. Time has come. We need a girls wrestling coach and we're really happy about that because that means our girls are participating in the sport and I think ultimately it'll continue to grow the sport meaning girls wanting to continue to participate in

121wrestling. If you've ever come to our building see you and I is it Tuesday or Wednesday you will see little ones running around here and wrestling here like you wouldn't believe and it's awesome. So the time has come to create this position. I just want to point out that the position will be paid at the JV wrestling coach rate but likely when the WI says okay now you have to have your own girls program they'll be paid at the same rate that our current head coach is at. But right now Mr. Boone Roy Craft is our head coach and so this person will still work under the direction of him. I just want to go on record and just throw a compliment out to Trevor Moore and Tyler Lee for their expansion of the wrestling

122program over the last Trevor for 15 years. And Tyler for I don't know how long Tyler's been here a decade probably. And just growing it not only on both sides right for boys and girls and just the influential role both of them have played in our community and for this and I'm 100% supportive of moving forward with this so I would make a motion to approve the position for what am I approving? The position for the creation of a girls wrestling varsity head coach. Second. Motion by Peterson second by Cundy any discussion? Board roll call please. Stelzner aye. Ferich aye. Keller Peterson aye. Atwin aye. Cundy aye. Hanson aye. Alright the Lottie system update. Megan and that was the last of the things required so if you prefer to leave now that is a so

123I just want to make sure all the voting things were first is that alright? Yep. I apologize. Okay there are just a couple tweaks to our Lottie system you can see on 13-2 the change all students who are in Lottie honors will receive special admission to the graduation program as well as receive visual recognition via cords and regalia. Students who retrieve Lottie recognition will receive a colored tassel representing their Lottie level. Students who are in summa cum Lottie status will also receive a medal. Tassels and medals will be worn at graduation. So we just didn't have that in there at the time when we knew we were moving forward with the Lottie system so we slowly implemented this unit earlier. It wasn't something that came into place in WAMO. We started it we just. And

124then you can also see in number 9 the other change so students who or how we can determine who speaks there will be up to three valedictorians aka graduation speakers will be selected from the list of interested students. So those are just some small tweaks to the Lottie system but we are not requiring. I have just a quick question and not to lessen the emphasis on the valedictorian or the salutatorian because I agree with the fact of their descriptive understanding of what they are but is there really a need for us to maintain having those as indicated as valedictorian or salutatorian? I mean is there really a need for that? Yes. No there won't be. Well I my understanding is we were getting rid of that when we adopted this whole system because each of

125those distinctions rose up to it. I know Peghead is using that in this situation because the term valedictorian means those who is speaking. I don't think we would use that designation anymore. Okay that was yeah. If there's more than three then we have some sort of voting system Sure. I'm going to speak at graduation. So there's summa cum laude. Okay. Answers my question. And that does not require a vote so any other questions regarding that? What's a chenille letter? Is that a color or a fabric? It's a fabric. It's for their jackets. I had to ask. It's a brand. Okay the Winnikonnie career readiness summary. So in your packets you have two pages. Cisa shared with us a couple of other pages kind of marketing their services. We are incredibly grateful to have gotten to

126work with Stacey who has helped. I think it's the first page that you have. Yeah you can see near the bottom that we have increased the number of employers that we're working with by 95% and the number of students who had a youth apprenticeship last year by 100%. And 13%. So Stacey's really helped us to connect with a broader base of businesses who are willing to take on students as youth apprentices. And we're excited to keep working with her. I don't know what the numbers are going to look like for this year but I'm hopeful that they will continue to grow. The second page is pretty cool too because those are all Winnikonnie kids. And their thoughts about their youth apprenticeships and experiences that they've had. So we just wanted to share that with you

127guys and let you know about that. There was a comment that I had seen in some other districts where at graduation they actually are roping for youth apprenticeship graduates. Is that something that we may think of in the future? I would say that our board policy right now says they can only wear the National Honor Society or Spanish Honor Society. So that would be a question of if the board is looking at changing that policy. Just a thought. Hopefully not 51 pages. No. Do we go out and like work with, does CESA just find the companies to engage? Like how do we go from five employers to 14? A big part of that was Stacey and CESA helping us connect with those businesses. She has a lot of, that's literally her job so she has

128a lot of connections with a lot of businesses. She's also been working really hard to get more Winnikonnie businesses on board with having youth apprentices. So it's kind of a win-win for us working with her. And then each student who is a youth apprentice has to work, take related coursework and has to work with teachers here. So it's still very much tied to their education piece as well. So for you searching for companies, do you have a maximum radius you want to go out from? It really depends on the student because the student has to provide their own transportation to the job. So I suppose if we had a student who was willing to drive 45 minutes to an hour, I suppose that would... Oh, I didn't mean that far. I mean we have students,

129we have had students working in Appleton, yes. Alright. Next year, so we will have teacher apprentices. Excited about that as well. Is that her email address at the bottom? S-trol-pol-tons? Yes. Any further discussion? If none, let's move on to the email. E-Academy report. So last week you got the same report but we didn't have final grades for the year. So this just has the final grades for the year. And then moving on to admin reports. Oh, sorry. Sorry. I had just one question. Did I see a reduction in average grade for the second semester? Is that historically? I mean, I guess I would wonder why the second semester there would be. Is there some... Senioritis? Okay. Okay. Alright, admin reports. Anything to add from what was in the board packet? Okay. Moving on, board reports.

130Communications. I have one communication. Dear Winnicon Community School District School Board, Thank you for the beautiful retirement gift of a clock. I am grateful to have worked in such a wonderful school district for 25 years. Sincerely, Julie Shunchuk. Community reports. Human resources and finance. I'm sorry. I did not... No, we haven't met. Marketing and public relations? And then policy committee. We will be coming with those updates from NEOLA on some other policies within our district policies. So we'll be starting to work on those as well. Everybody's so excited. And we'll stick within that four to six policy per meeting. Alright. That's done with open session. Is there a motion? If there's a motion to move into session, we'll move into executive session where the board will move into executive session under section 1985 to approve

131executive session minutes from June 17, 24. Section 1985 sub 1 sub C, considering performance evaluation data of any public employee over which the governmental body has jurisdiction or exercises responsibility for continuing with the DAPES process. The board will move into open session and may take action on items discussed in closed session. Is there a motion to move into closed session? I move. Second. Motion by Ackman, second by Cundey. Board roll call. Stelzner? Aye. Verich? Aye. Keller? Aye. Peterson? Aye. Ackman? Aye. Cundey, aye. Hanson?