001I know Thank you. Jeff you mic on? They are now. Your mic's on down that way? Yeah, we're sharing mics now. Budget cuts. Good evening, everyone. I'd like to call the Inland Wetlands Water Course Commission for June 17th, 7 p.m., which is a special meeting tonight, which from our perspective means that we cannot add anything to the agenda under agenda review. We might be able to bring up something, but it will not be dealt with tonight because it is a special meeting. First order of business is attendance. Stephen Molinelli, chair, present. Russ Davenport, vice chair. Here, present. Jeff Lippincott, absent, excused. Frank Oliveri, absent. Gary Paganelli. Present. Matt Clawson. Present. Jamie Colligan. Present. Mary Ann Marino, absent, excused. Kevin Bergio. Here. Thank you. Before we get into the meeting I noticed there are quite a
002few people here tonight and one of the people sitting in the audience is candy Perez Candy, would you raise your hand? Candy is the president of the highland lake watershed association And as here as a resident and if I knew that I wouldn't have acknowledged you Okay, and And next to her is Jan Perga. Are you a resident or are you here on official business? President. There you go. She's president of the Winchester Land Trust. And the agenda review, anything for anybody? Jeff, anything? Nothing that hasn't been touched in the staff report and no agenda changes. Okay. The only thing I'd like to bring up is I'd like to have a discussion next month regarding... The amount of time that town personnel spend on hands-on review of lake applications and site visits. So that's a
003concern of mine, but we'll deal with that next month. Next is the approval of minutes. Do I have a motion to approve the minutes? Without hearing any change to them, I'll make a motion to approve the minutes from the May 21, 2026 meeting. Second. Second. All those in favor of approval, I'll extend it, and Kevin extends. Next order of business is the public hearing. Application 26-11, Vernon LeBlanc. And it's my understanding that the applicant has asked for an extension or a continuation? Yes, they've asked to table the opening of the hearing to your next meeting. They were not prepared with a survey this evening or for this evening, and they anticipate having their survey ready for you. Are they within their time frame? They are, yes. So it's an extension by the applicant. Yes. Under
004old business, application 26-4. The applicant is Brian Evigne from Sierra Pons. We have a representative. So, Mr. Chairman, after the last meeting, Jeff and I communicated with the applicant regarding this application and asked for a significant amount of additional information that the commission requested at the last meeting. We had a couple of email exchanges back and forth. It was understood that we were looking for. We do not have any new items to review as of tonight, and clearly we don't have anybody in the audience. Are they editable? They are not out of time, but they will be after the July meeting. So you can continue to July, and if we're not ready at that meeting, we'll have to do that. And we haven't heard from them. They haven't communicated to you about anything tonight? They
005have not. Is there a motion to continue? I'll make a motion to continue IWWC 26-44508 West Wakefield Boulevard. Second. Second. All those in favor of continuing? It's unanimous. Next application is 26-6. The applicant is Tanika Belucci at 57 East Lake Street. Remove portion of existing dock and attach 3-in-4 by 10 pieces. Your representative here from... Please, have a seat. Introduce yourself. Good evening, Tanika Belucci. Hi, I'm Joe Bellucci 57 East Lake Street. Okay, and Mr. Malinelli if Appropriate I would like to make some remarks based on remarks that were made at the last meeting by 59 East Lake Street and 61 East Lake Street I'm not aware as to how The Commission works, but I would like to make some remarks and I do have Some photographs that I've sent Shane to City Hall to
006hopefully have visible tonight. All right. Okay, I just would like to caution you. Limit your remarks to objective statements, not people's statements. Okay? They will be object statements. Okay, fine. So long as they're objective and they're not reflective on the individual who said them. Well, I'm just concerned about the facts. Yes, yes, sir. Okay. Before we begin, talk to me about your project. So, sir, the project that we are looking to do is actually add a dock 40 feet long, four by ten, four pieces. And that is because initially it was three. Pieces by now it's four by ten four pieces mainly because what is there right now is Ready to fall in the water Which is really called a deck dock. It's just really on the wall and we want to just replay Remove
007that and have the new dock go from the wall out into the lake. How many waterfront do you have? I have 25 feet sir Okay. And I have 10 feet plus, you know, 10 feet or more on each side, and the dock is 4 by 40. Okay. I have a question of you. Sure. In my visiting the site, what I saw were two stakes in the ground identifying the littoral boundaries, and both stakes seemed to indicate that the littoral boundaries were approximately 10 feet apart. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. When you go out further into the water, how do you get from 10 feet to 25 feet? I'm not sure I understand the question, sir. We do own 25 feet of property, and when the surveyor surveyed the property, we meet the littoral borders of 10
008plus feet each side and the dock in the middle, which is 4 feet. I didn't see anything indicating where there were stakes at the water point indicating your property line. I didn't see any of that. Well, if we could just look at a surveyor. Yeah. You know, again, I did not survey the property. It was there since 1987. And there was a dock there since 1987. We bought the house. Harris, they go on the lake, show me the house. We bought it in 1999. I had a dock. And your survey will show 25 feet on the water. Yes, sir. Okay. And, you know, we did not have an earthquake that moved the earth plates. 25 feet are still there. And we went from 10 feet to 25 feet either. So I understand what you want
009and what you don't. So we had 25 feet. And we have the right-of-way, which is a little bit over 10 feet, go from our home. The right-of-way. The right-of-way. Oh, that's the 10 feet. That's the 10 feet. Yes, that's the 10 feet. And then when you get to the water. We have 25 feet. Sorry, I misunderstood the question. Okay, that was my confusion. Yes. But is there anything, because in visiting the site, I didn't see anything that indicates your littoral boundaries on either side at the water. Yeah, well they were set back what like eight six feet or so. I have a picture do I was there today? So like the stakes are just set back from the water. Yeah, they're not essentially on the waters. Yes, sir. Okay, Jeremy you have something? No, I
010was just gonna clarify the point between the easement and the actual property. Okay, so it is. The easement is about ten feet wide. And the property is 25 feet. I think the question last month was the line going out into the water. Yes, go straight out. They're saying go straight out. Yes What our question was was needed something showing the tutorial lions going out into the lake to make sure you have distance Just that shows correct. Yes. Yes, this is like this is showing what it is, but the argument was on this plan that they have, okay, but the neighbors aren't agreeing with this plan. That's how it went last month. Well, I wasn't here last month, unfortunately and unfortunately. The reason why I'm going to ask the next question is because we have a
011right, the commission has a right to ask for a public hearing based on interest or concern. Technically, okay. I don't believe a public hearing was asked for last month, but I think if there's enough of a concern this month that I would like to open it up and suggest that we do have a public hearing and the public hearing would then take place next month at which time anybody who has interest in the outcome of the property or the application can speak in a public hearing. Pro and con either way. So we can't do that. Am I correct? You can do that. Yes. Okay. We did though. We did, you know, I know you kicked it around. We kicked it around and then we decided I, there may, I'd have to look back at it
012that we decided, well, we didn't really need a public hearing. That may have been a mistake. I don't know. It's not a mistake. It's just a judgment. And if I think the judgment now needs to change. then we'll change it. So go ahead. Mr. Malinelli, when do I have the opportunity to speak up? Yes. So, sir, we have had a dock there since 1987. 25 feet, and this town has not changed regulations. You have 25 feet waterfront, and you can now build a dock. Four feet. actually five feet, but ours is only four feet going into the water, four by 40. And we had the doc surveyed again by the surveyor. We had to survey it twice. Because it was said that the first survey was incorrect. The surveyor was questioned. But one of the
013neighbors, sorry, it's not a neighbor, it's one who lives on 59 East Lake Street. Because a neighbor has a positive connotation to it, sir. And if I may say. I said talk to me about the facts, not your opinion of your neighbor. I am talking about the facts. Go ahead. So the survey was surveyed. I mean, the property was surveyed again. And the editorial lines are right there. They provide us what we need to build a 40-feet long dock. and the surveyor put in writing number six in the survey that he stands by as a certified surveyor of the state of Connecticut. He stands by the survey and the littoral walls measurements. That has meaning. I mean, when we met the last time, that was what I understood, that if the survey shows that the
014littoral walls are there, and they are correct, then there is no issue. Now you have asked me not to say anything about comments made last week, I mean last month. I said you could make comments about the issues that were raised. Yeah, so may I also show, sir, that one of the issues that was brought up last time was that we did not have a doc. Oh, some doctor made a 61 East Lake Street, made a comment that we did not have a doc. And I've asked Shane to have photographs. Sir, if you look at that picture, that is my doc in 2015 when the person on 61 East Lake Street bought the house. that is right from realtor.com. Can you arrow his doc please? Yeah. Okay. From realtor.com in 2015. Actually if you go
015on realtor.com right now, 61 East Lake Street, you can still see those pictures. No problem, the doc was there. As a matter of fact sir, my kids grew up on that doc. And my daughter, who is a leading environmental attorney with 1,600 attorneys in New England, knows nothing about this because she would be extremely upset. But you could see, sir, that we have a picture of the dock that was there when comments were made by 61 Lake Street that the dock was not in existence, was dilapidated, was just a structure. There's also another picture sir of my doc and the other two docs sir Jeremy I think you have that yet. No, not that one We will use that one if I'm allowed to there was a pitch that shows all three docs in 2015
016Yes, sir, and this is actually Yeah, you could see based on this survey that was done by the Kara in 2019 higher by 61 next to Lake Street that it shows my dock 61 East Lake Street dock and 59 East Lake Street dock within deletorial walls I cannot say the word even though I've been a principal 30 years Yes, sir, which is 59 which is 61 59 is the one on the left? Yes, sir on the bottom. Okay Mine is 57 in the middle. Yes, sir. And 61 is on the right circuit Now this survey only shows one littoral boundary line going out into the water. Yes, sir Do you know why the other one is missing? I do not know, but my survey shows both, sir. This was, Mr. Chairman, this was done, this
017was in our files for the property in 61. Oh. So this had to do with some work. It had nothing to do with this? Nothing to do with them, but it happens to show all three, so we thought that would work. It shows all three docks, sir, without a problem. As a matter of fact, the 61 East Lake Street said there was no dock. And there is 2019. There's my doc. Okay, I understand that now. Okay? Yeah. May I go on? Yeah, please. Okay. So the doc was there. The surveyor who surveyed our property twice said that he stands by his survey as a certified surveyor in the state of Connecticut. Yes, sir. I have to agree right now with this gentleman only for the fact that this is a why not. Okay, yeah, I
018mean so far I'm like this on paper and there's you know debate at this moment except for Stuff that was brought up by neighbors, but as I'm looking just at this. Yeah this to me everything looks Fine, but mr. Davenport May I just say that? I don't I mean I consider the ones that are living on 61 East Lake Street and 59 East Lake Street, sir Dead I mean You got a look for I mean, it's tough for a food being a prince for 30 years and a college professor I'm not used to this but I'll be very honest with you. They just want to eliminate the one in the middle Which happens to be the only African American woman who wants lakefront property in Wednesday the Highland Lake. Well, we have sir the objective
019a doctor with Hartford health care And I'm going to stop all my affiliation with Hartford Health Care after we get the attorneys from New York, from the Office of Civil Rights on this, sir. Because I have to tell you, what was supposed to be cut and dry last time, my wife was dragged into this. And we will go to the bottom, all the way to the Supreme Court if we have to, sir. You are telling me... The lies were told by a doctor whose character is on the line here. He said no doc existed. I mean, the Dicara shows a doc exists in 2019. Pictures in 2015, sir, shows that my doc was right there. And actually, all three docs were right there. One of the statements I was going to make before you... elaborating
020on things that should have been said. I'm not a happy person right now. Neither am I. Number one, if you have 25 feet of waterfront... I do, sir. ...then you're entitled to a dock. Yes, sir. Okay. The question now becomes the position of the dock in relationship to the littoral boundary of your property. And the surveyor did that, sir. He drew the map of my dock going out into the water, sir. Okay. So that's, you know, that's factual. Yeah. And, sir, are we looking at someone having 35 feet, somebody else having, let's say, 36 feet of front property, being more important than my 25 feet? My 25 feet of water property, sir? That's not true. I'm just saying. I don't mean to cut you off, but nobody's. We're just trying to interpret the laws here.
021But, Mr. Davenport, the last time you said very clearly. that you're not singling us out. And I'll be very honest with you, sir. My wife and I feel nothing but singled out. And I'll tell you, sir, people living at 61 and 59 East Lake Street have ulterior motives, and we will go all the way to the Supreme Court, sir, because their motives have nothing to do with facts. And you know, Mr. Malinelli, I know you were a school principal at one time, and so was I for 30 years. How do you know that? I know a lot about everybody around here, sir. My attorneys know a lot about what's going on here. Okay? And as a school principal for 30 years, and as a college professor at the University of Bridgeport for 12 years, and
022as a director of border education supervisors, I'm no dummy. I know I was born at night, but I was not born last night. And you know, I owned that home for 20, my wife and I owned that home for 27 years. And all of a sudden, two people who disliked one another, one said to me, Joe, I wish, okay, I'll be glad, sir. Let's stay with the application and how we can accommodate you or not accommodate you. Yes, sir. But if my surveyor took the darn survey twice. And everything fits. Why doesn't this fit because of 61 and 59? I'm not saying it doesn't fit. Go ahead, Matt. I'm just saying we're getting way off tangent here. I'm sorry, Matt. We had asked you to verify the littoral boundaries at the last meeting. You did
023that as requested. Yes, sir. So they verified it. Joe came in. He made the notes. Everything's good. So with our regulations, he's got 25 feet. He meets all his littoral boundaries. I think we move forward with this application. And I don't feel there's a need for a public hearing. Because there's no encroachment on the littoral boundaries, and he is entitled to have that document. Any contrary opinions from what Matt says? I agree with that. I agree, too. It's a very straightforward. We asked him to present these things, and they did. Okay. And the question with the littoral boundaries, just for everybody's... information it really comes into play. A littoral boundary is an extension of one's property from land into the water and it only becomes a conversation worth talking about is if we're in a
024cove where the boundaries, because of a horseshoe shape, go to a particular point out into the cove, and they overlap each other. In visiting your site today, you, in my opinion, seem to look directly straight out across the water. So we're not in any cove. Is that fairly accurate? I agree with the surveyors. Okay, so the only question I now have is the positioning of your dock within the 25 feet. Talk to me about that. It would go 10 feet on each side, and it would go straight out. And if you look at the survey, sir, it's right there. Okay. I mean, the survey is the one that I paid to survey. And, Mr. Malanelli, this is a different picture from the other one, Jeremy. This is the current survey that came with this application.
025I pulled up an older survey just as a reference point. This is new as of yesterday. This is when the surveyor looked at it again, gave it a second opinion, redrew it, and also made a note that the existing wooden platform, I'll call it, that's there is going to be removed. This is not in our folders now? I don't know if it's in there. It came in yesterday? The positioning of the dock is the same as it has been for a month other than that wooden platform being removed. Okay. Mr. Malinelli. Yes, sir. When you have a second, I just want to add one more item. I see 10 feet 0.15 on one side of the dock to the littoral boundary and 10 feet 0.06. So you have just a shade under 25 feet on
026the waterfront, it looks like. No, sir. I have a little bit. I have 25 feet. Well, if the dock is four. and 10 and 10 are 20, you got 24 and the .15 and the .06 don't add up to another foot. That's why I'm saying you have just the shade under. All right, anybody have, Gary, you have any problems with this diagram and the numbers? No, no, no. You know, it's on a skew. The boundary is on a skew. That could be skewed with a dimension on the very end. I don't think there's a problem with this. Okay. Anybody with any other opinion on this? No, it looks good to me. Jeff, anything? Nothing to add. Is there anything else you'd like to add before we... If I'm allowed because I'm again, I'm just a
027servant. I've asked my eighth grade student sir I showed that one with the three dots. I don't know if you could show it. I don't have it I have two pictures of two versions of the same picture that I shot about does this said that the car that 620 Slick Street did the car do you have it? Yeah, sir. I'm 90% blind so I cannot see crap. Okay And I'm an elderly disabled person, African-American wife. We got a long way to go with this. Sir, can you show the decara? There you go. I asked my eighth grade student. 90% blind and you can see that? No. Jeremy is telling me, sir. And you know what? I'll tell you. There's something else I'd like to point out. But, sir, you look at those three dots, right?
028Yes. My eighth grade students How would you park the boats on the street docks so that there will be no issues no? navigational hazards I'm glad you brought up the issue of parking boats. Yes, sir Just the public information. Yes, sir Boats are allowed to be parked in the littoral boundary. That's forbidden to put a permanent structure in. Yes, sir. So Using your doc as an example, can you go back to the other picture? And I'm going through this explanation in hopes of alleviating other people's concerns that aren't speaking about their concerns, but I just want to alleviate them. For public information, the doc is... Its location is in the middle of the 25 feet. Right, sir. Which is appropriate. Yes, sir. And there's 10 feet on either side, give or take an inch or
029two. A boat can be parked in either of those 10 feet. Yes, sir. You cannot, the applicant cannot ask for a boat lift to be put in there. Because that becomes a structure as opposed to a boat. So you could park a boat, you could park a jet ski in there, you could tie it to whips, but you cannot put a device that holds that boat lift, that boat or jet ski secure to the dock. Yes, sir. If I may say, sir, the eighth graders were able to say, Mr. DeLucci. We all park on the left of the dock. There is no navigational hazard if you look at that the three dogs If everybody parks on the left nobody has to run into anybody Navigation has it becomes when you go in and out of
030this little docks and your neighbors go in and out of the air And there was one photograph Jeremy if you could bring that up. It was a spatial photograph Okay, where? There was a point made about navigational concerns. There is 61 East Lake Street. There is 59 East Lake Street. I'm right in the middle, sir. They're both pointing right at me. Dr. Vellucci here, my wife, and myself are two little birds, wounded birds, locked in a cage. And for some reason, sir, I do not understand why. 61 and 59 make a point that my 25 feet are worth less than theirs when they are pointing right at me. Why aren't they straight? Whatever the reason, I'll be able to work it out. I'd like to just say quickly this. One has to do with what
031you were saying with parking in the littoral and navigational hazards. I kind of looked at DEP's definitions of navigational hazards, and I really see them as, Not so much as parking issues, right? You can go down a slip. I've had to go down Where you had to park the boat on the right and left and you have just that center line going down like it's tricky It's hard, but people do park in very very tight place. So I don't think of this as navigational hazards It's just it may be challenging parking You know, that's really how I think. In terms of being singled out, please don't think we've had men. Hold on, please hear me for a second. Yes, sir. We've had many, many neighbors from people from all over this state and country and
032different countries get into very similar tough discussions in front of this board. I don't think it has anything to do with where anybody's from or any race or anything. It's just you're condensed in a tight spot, and it's tough. That's how I see it. Black and blues on my leg, so may I speak tonight or not? All I'm saying is no one's signaling anybody. Unless you have anything new to add. I have one more thing, sir. Because I cannot see, sir, there is a rock in my 10-feet walkway. If I fall and get hurt on that rock, I'm gonna own that house. And I also need to say to you, sir, there are railroad ties on that walkway that are like two or three inches above ground. That if I were to fall and get
033hurt, I'm gonna own the other house. That is a promise that I will keep if it costs me millions of dollars to accomplish my task. I, as a disabled 72-year-old man, Should be able to walk freely from my steps to my property without a rock there, black tarpets in a way. I put calls, I received some message, not all, but this black tarp has not been removed. I asked the neighbor, sir, two or three months ago, can you please remove that tarp? The response was no. What did you do for a living before you retired? An educator, you ever learn from no means yet? Call my lawyer. Hangs out the phone. I've been treated like a second class citizen, sir, and so is my wife. I want what is mine at the right time, which
034is now. I understand that. Don't push the envelope. No, I won't push the envelope. We're talking about what this is. For the last time, I was a mouse. We're talking about what's in front of this commission and not very much else of concern. Okay, we're looking either to accommodate you and allow you to put your dock in the water or deny your application. That's all we're looking to do. Okay? Do you have anything else to add that will help us make a decision? Your wife is shaking her head no. I just wish that you would not mention 61 East Lake Street people and 59 East Lake people as my neighbors. They are not certain. They're just people that live in those two properties, sir. Understood. Okay? And I'm looking to see what happens from now
035on. Because I've got them on record for doing a lot of things. Why is it, sir, that I am not single? And I have to get a survey. I'm going to try to be polite and ask you to limit your remarks to anything and nothing else. Do you have anything else to say about helping us make a decision? Yes or no? I think you've got the drift, sir. Okay, thank you. Matt, anything? I'm good with the survey that was presented. Okay. Anybody else? No. All right. Do we have a motion for approval? Motion to approve. IWWC 26-6, 57 East Lake Street. Remove a portion of existing dock and attach three. Is it four? It's four. It's four. Yeah, this is all four. Four by ten dock sections. Second. Aye. Before we vote on it, is
036there a need for a public hearing? No. Based on interest. The applicant clearly is entitled to what they're asking for. We're not giving them anything they're not entitled to. And if they were in the littoral boundary with the request, that would automatically trigger a public hearing. This is not in that vein. No, I don't see that. They did exactly what we asked. We got the latorial lines on it, and we did actions with the other plan you have. John, the car, as it solidifies, that's what the latorial line is. Okay. Are there any additions to approval? We don't need a bond? No, I don't think so. No? No. No, I think we're good. Okay. When do you plan on installing the dock? Sir, because the dock, for some reason, It's now leaning in the water
037one corner, and I don't want to tell you what I think. Probably the fall. In the fall? Probably. Yeah, Marina, Richard. They're pretty busy, so probably in the fall. Okay. Eric. And you're also going to remove the existing dock debris that's on the land? As soon as we can, sir, because I don't want it to fall in the water and do damage to anyone's boat. Okay. Any other concerns? No. All right, all those in favor of approval, raise your hands. All right, it's unanimous. Thank you very much. Let Jeff know when you're beginning the process of putting the dock in the water. And thank you for being as specific as you were with the application. And have a good day. I appreciate you letting me talk, sir. Thank you. Have a good night. Next application
038is 26-10. The application is M.E. Carroll & Sons, LLC, 537 East Wakefield Boulevard. How you doing? Please identify yourself for the record. My name is Jared Carroll. I'm here representing the Mickelsons on their dock replacement. Okay. I don't know. We went over this. I know you weren't here last time. They're just looking to replace their existing dock in its exact same... Shape, fashion, everything. Exactly where it is. It's just deteriorated. It was permitted in 1999 by the commission and approved in its current location. They're not looking to modify or change anything other than just replace the rusted structure. In order to replace the rusted structure, you're going to have to remove the dock? Correct. And you're going to need a regular drawdown or a deep drawdown? Regular. Regular drawdown. Yep. Okay. Are you going to
039be any stockpiling of material or anything? No. What are you going to do with the dock while it's out of the water? Where are you going to put it? We'll load it on a truck and take the old one away and then bring a new one in. It's going to be built in three modular sections and we'll bring it in because... So you're not going to put the top back on. You're going to put a whole new dock in. They're going to replace the top, yeah. They had looked at that, but their engineer determined that it wasn't worth the effort to just replace the top when they put the new structure in. So we'll take the old one out, remove it, and then put the new one back in. No bolt lifts, no nothing else.
040Just the dock itself. Just exactly what's there. Same size, same location. Everything. Same structure. We had the structural engineer review the old plans, and he just updated the drawings, but there's no changes. It met the code, and he had no issue with it. Anybody? No. Cut and dry one last one. Cut and dry last one. What are the I-beams underneath? Rot it out? Yeah, there's holes right through them. Yeah. And you could do it with a shower drawer down? Yeah, it's up on a rock in the back, and the legs and the piers in the front and everything were fine. They're all concrete. We're reusing all the existing piers, everything. Okay. Staff, anything? No. Okay, we have a motion. Motion to approve IWWC 26-10-537 East Wakefield Boulevard. Replace existing dock, same size and same location.
041Thank you for your time. Hang on. We didn't vote yet. Oh. After the last guy, you better be careful. Anybody, do you have your hand up? Oh, I was just going to second. Oh, okay. Somebody seconded. I got Jamie as a second. He's the first voice I heard. All those in favor of approval? All right, it's unanimous. All right. Have a good night. Thank you. Take care. Have a good night. Likewise. The next application, 26-11, pertains to the public hearing. So that's going to be continued by the applicant, correct? Correct. New business. 26-13, Brian Angelico at 722 Lake Drive, New Dock, 1 Floating Section. Anybody here? Brian's online. Oh. i'm on the zoom fellas thank you okay you want to introduce yourself for the record and tell us what you'd like to do sure uh
042brian angelico where i live at the 7 22 lake drive with my wife purchased the home and uh about a month ago and um we wanted to put in two uh floating jet ski uh you know docks uh next to our existing dock We currently, or previous owner, I guess, had a pre-approved boat lift in that same section, which is larger than the space we need, but we just don't need it for a boat. We want a jet ski instead. And that's the jet ski. Do you have it registered on file as a boat lift and approved? Did you hear the question? I didn't. I'm sorry. I think that was more directed towards... Is it registered? Is there a bolt lift registered on your property? There is no registered bolt lift. They never put it
043in. It was just an approved permit or one. Do you have a copy of that approved permit? We had the permit file out. We'll have to go through it again because we don't have it in front of us. Okay. What's the width of your waterfront? 50 feet. Okay. And there's an existing dock there? There is. They're just shown. And what's the positioning of the jet skis? Just to the right. I actually have a live photo of it. Oh, there you go. I see it. So the blue outline is... is essentially the positioning of it. It's a dual jet, dual floating dock, I guess is what they call it. So you're going to drive right up on it? You drive in it from the water side, parallel with the existing dock, just straight like you're heading
044right to into the shore. Alright, the question I have is from, not where your dock is, but where the blue outline is for your jet ski. Yes, how far is that to the little boundary and your little boundary looks like it goes in on an angle So be careful with your answer. He has 14 and a half feet 14 foot 5 inches to be exact at the shoreline At the shoreline, correct. What about as that little boundary goes out into the water? Doesn't appear out that much. I can't imagine it's more than a foot or so Do you have a survey that projects the littoral boundary out into the water? I did upload the survey. I'm not sure if it has the bounds on it. This is the zoomed in version. I don't know if
045you guys have the ability to pull up all the files I submitted, but there is the full survey there. Are we in a cove? Is that what we're... Well, the angle of the... the property seems to indicate that it's going out there is also a uh a photograph of uh you know looking at the water too or i could i don't know if i could share a file well just so you know i mean these are a lot of preliminary questions and we will i mean we will not make a decision tonight but the more information we gather from you and You know staff personnel and our own visiting will help us make a decision. So that's why we're pushing for more information Yeah, I mean I think the I guess I don't want to
046sit just for lack of words the easiest way to look at it would be the We already have the pre-approved permit for a 10 by 16 You know list structure to be put there this is significantly smaller than that in the same placement Actually, the lift would have been further out in the water being for a boat So I mean the littoral bounds would have been narrower at that point. This is closer to the shore by Six feet Okay, I understand your point of view but let me indicate something to you that once once an application comes before us We have to be sure that what you're asking for complies Understood. So even though you had something that You're saying it pre-existed, this conversation, and it may or may not have complied. Your application... Yeah,
047we're changing that now. I understand. You have to comply. Okay. Also, is this an after-the-fact application? There's two jet skis already in the water. There is, yes. So it's an after-the-fact application. Jeff? Yes. Oh. Yeah, I mean, just to be frank, like I said, we purchased the house four or five weeks ago. I'm not sure the exact date. I reached out to Highland Marina. I asked them for, you know, I don't know. You know, I don't live in that area. I've never lived on a lake. I don't know any of the regulations here, guys. I just simply said, hey, I need to, I'm looking to put these two things in. They installed it. And that was that. And then, you know, a neighbor who I was talking to said, hey, you know, you do need
048a permit for XYZ. So I said, oh, shoot, I didn't know that. So I applied that actual same debt. So that's how we got to where we are. And I appreciate that, that you did apply. Right. Okay. So I'm not trying to run away from anything. No, no, no, no. Didn't know. Didn't know. So I think the next thing you're going to check is to see. We're going to re-review the file and see if we can find... That's going to tell us right off the bat if that boat lift is approved for that area already, they're within the littoral lines. Again, he's got to have the jet skis in the littoral lines, not what existed prior, because now if it was out of compliance, we're obligated to bring it into compliance. That's what we're saying,
049Steve. If there's a 10-foot lift... out as far as his dock. I understand what you're saying. Where you're going. His jet ski thing is even inside of it. Now, now, yeah. We will review the file. Okay. I appreciate it. You know, we're in a bind here because it's in the water already, and we're not going to say to you, please don't use it until next month, so let's not be stupid about it. We're going to accept your application. And hopefully that all of our concerns are satisfied so that we can add some legitimacy to your boat lift or jet ski lifts that are in the water. All right? I appreciate it. All right. Do we have any other course of action that we can take? I would just say, obviously, if the boat lift isn't
050permitted, turns out not to be permitted, or in any of those applications, obviously you'd have to document the littoral boundaries for next month's meeting. Did you understand what Matt brought up? I did, and I had this conversation with Shane this week, so there is an approved permit for that, but I'll touch base with her again and just double-check, and if not, then I'll get that survey adjusted to put those lines on it. Not a problem. Okay, and my concern is not where the jet ski lift touches your seawall. Yeah, out in the water. Out into the water. Yeah, you know I do have one request. I'm not sure if it's possible or not. I don't live in town I have three kids were very very active. I had four businesses. I run I'm not someone
051who frequents this area very often If I can do this team meeting for our next month, I'd really appreciate it You want it you're asking for the same format as you are where you're sitting at home as opposed to being here That's correct. Okay. I don't think That's a problem being you're asking for it. And the second thing is you're going to be informed well ahead of time as to the direction that this committee probably will go in based on what you present and what town personnel say to us about it. So all things being equal, let's assume everything falls into line and there's no contentious conversation next month, then I'm comfortable with you talking from where you are. I appreciate it. All right? Any other concerns from anybody else? Do we have a motion
052to accept? Sure, I'll make a motion to accept. I, applicant, are IWWC 26-13 for 722 Lake Drive for a new dock, one floating section. I'm sorry, new jet ski. Floating dock. Yeah, protection dock. Floating dock. Jet ski floating dock. Is there a second? Second. Kevin? It's a race. It's a race. All those in favor of approval of accepting it? Sorry. It's unanimous. Jeff, will you stay on for a minute? Jeff, I see the fee is not an after-the-fact fee. I don't know that we knew it was an after-the-fact right away. Okay. So we have to make that sort of adjustment. Okay. All right. There's an additional fee because something was put in the water without approval. It's not crazy money, but, again, it's just being fair. All right? Very good. Appreciate it. He spoke without
053even moving his lips. That was good. All right. Thank you. Have a good night. All right. You as well. Bye-bye. Bye. Next application is 26-14 Matthew S. Espy, 269 West Lake Street. Anybody here? I don't think we have anybody here, but I can... I'll pull it up on the screen so you know what you're dealing with. Don't even bother. Just accept the application without prejudice. I'll make a motion to accept the application without prejudice for application 26-14. Is there a second? Second. Okay, it's accepted. We need to look at it though, right? You know what? They don't even care to come here. I don't want to waste time looking at it. No, I didn't mean it like that. I thought we were accepting it. So usually when we accept something, we have a discussion about
054it. You sort of have to accept came into the office it gets either it automatically accepted at tonight's meeting for 35 days Yeah, you know I mean let them come in and tell us I just mean to delaying it a month because we don't have an understanding so be it I Have anything else that's on the new business. We're done agents approval Agent X. Just really one as of right determination came in during the time frame between last meeting and this one. There's another driveway application. This is a process we're trying to follow now with our driveway contractors, especially when they're near the lake where we have them. put in an application, but it really becomes an agent approval. It's just an opportunity for us to have a discussion with them about any necessary erosion
055controls that they should put in, if there are catch basins in the immediate area, so on and so forth. So that came in and approved agent approval. And under C, violations 139 West Wakefield Boulevard, as of this afternoon, the hearing is still scheduled for July 9th, but that may change. We're waiting to get confirmation from the court on that for a possible date in September and under other discussion we've held over the Barbarino application for Main street up at the end of the bottom of the hill there. I did meet a contractor's representative out there last week sort of went over the Still needed scope of work there for additional cleanup. I don't think they've been back on site yet to continue to clean up but this is still an active project and Furthermore this
056property has not been listed for sale by the applicant which was always the intent so it's in his best interest as well in my opinion to you know, get a better cleanup there. So we have anything in writing for a scope of work for that cleanup other than clean up all the debris on the waterway, continue to remove any trees that were cut down. No, it's really what it comes down to. Also, outside of your scope, I did request that they install fencing along that. wall line just because of the extreme drop off there can't force them but the contractors at least thought it was a good idea so hopefully that'll get put in but with a possible change in ownership they you know may not bother if they have a deal on the works
057and someone else is going to come in and do a whole project so we'll see but that that was one of my requests thank you okay uh communications All right, other business, the report from Russ, you talked to Jim at all? No, I haven't, but I know he's diligent. We're cleaning out the store, right? Oh, good. You know, just as a point of information, if you talk to Jim, and I don't know if Jim is the right person, all of a sudden there's a lot of cones appearing on the street. And I don't know whether town personnel puts them there to identify them. Homeowners put them there so that they, cars wouldn't drive past their property, move away a little bit. If you bring that up to Jim next time, just out of curiosity. I
058did also, after a conversation with you about the same issue, I did send a message to the town manager and Jim. I haven't gotten a reply yet on it, but I did want to get it on the radar if it wasn't already. All right. If you get some information before next meeting, just send it to us. Sure. Just so we have something to talk about or we know what we're going to talk about. Thank you. I'm sorry. I should have maybe said this in the beginning. I had a couple items I just wanted to discuss. I don't know if that would just wait until the end for an informal discussion or just a couple of properties I wanted to... Maybe I should have brought it up in the beginning. We can't add anything to the
059agenda because it's a special meeting. Okay. That's why I don't want to cut you short. Okay. Then maybe I'd have to put it in an email for discussion potentially. It was 508, I'm sorry, 170 West Lake Feet, the spillway area there. So we have a lot of work being done on the water, on the spillway water area, which I believe is a water course. And we've got heavy, yeah, on the other side we've got heavy excavation there, but I don't know, you may be able to talk to that more. I don't know if there's a true site plan there for that, for drainage. When I see an excavator sitting next to the water as we all do Yeah, yeah, so this was actually an application that came in it was approved by agent approval now
060this is different than the Spillway, which this Commission confirmed was not right a water course. You're talking about the rear I'm talking about the rear of the excavators. Yep. I had picked so you want to see him We can bring them up by sending an email. I don't know if we really need to, but so yeah, the basic crux of that project is to do some filling in the back there. Uh, if you took pictures, you probably also saw the straw model. Just to have a drainage plan, just like we make people have a drainage plan for anything on their property. And what I'm seeing is a big property being developed that. I've never seen a drainage plan. I may be wrong. I haven't seen a drainage plan, but anything within 100 feet of the
061water around that lake, we have a lot of drainage plans for. Here, I just see somebody backfilling an area with debris, nothing. We're working with that applicant. We're out there a lot more than we even want to think about. Then why don't we just put a stop board on and have them come up with a drainage plan for it. They've engaged an engineering firm to work through the process. We have been in contact with them that all the work needs to kind of stop for now until the engineer is able to do what they're going to do. They were about to move forward until we realized that our zoning regulations weren't quite up to par in terms of marina uses and what they want to do out there. So we've got sort of two things
062going on here. And the Planning and Zoning Commission is in the process of fixing a portion of their regulations, which would then allow the marina to kind of move forward, which will get them in front of you, get them in front of the Planning and Zoning Commission. In the meantime, we have a couple of agent approvals for a couple of limited scope things out there. And like I said, we're in. Far more communication with the ownership than we want to think about but we're out there. But do we have a cease and desist there? We don't feel the need for a cease and desist yet. That has been floated. Is that escalator going to be back down there tomorrow? I can't say what's going on today. Someone's just going to start running it. That's been
063floated and it's been discussed with the property owner that if we reach a certain point, we will get there. So we're monitoring that closely. May I just interject one thing? I think all town personnel are looking to make things more relevant and of direct concern to the commission. But if you're in doubt, kick it to the commission rather than... Answer questions about and we will okay feel that we need to do that. All right And I don't mean to give you here's my take I'm not trying to give you a hard time and I am giving you a little bit hard time But we have I admit that we have two big water property We have two properties now the one on Main Street that had a bunch of work being done on it Within
064our purview that there was no permit nothing. We had a bridge demoed over a water course No permits nothing now and and that's one of my fault. I mean I just assumed there was stuff there. I didn't look at it I wish I had and now I drive by another spot. I'm like, oh you got a giant excavator right next to a river No permits. I don't know anything that's going we don't know anything that's going we have no drainage The more it gets backfilled the more it's just an as-built What are we gonna say dig it all up and put real drainage on it? No. So once we go that far, once we let it happen, I feel like it's too late. And I want to be fair because there's people here that are,
065we're asking for a site survey and permits and all this stuff to put a walkway into the water, which we should, we have to, but it's, you know, that's a major construction that anybody in an excavator should know you need to have more permits and more. So I'm just... so we do have it we do have an agent approval out there on that on a portion of it that was reported on an agenda a while back and it it it primarily deals with where this the um turbine used to be yes so that was pulled out that hole's been filled in and then i think the request and correct me if i'm wrong but the request was there's a there's a wall there that's a former foundation wall one of the buildings on that site
066the request was to kind of fill in the area between the existing parking area and that wall and that's that's kind of what we're dealing with and from a drainage perspective we're not changing anything it's it's it's down right it's down drainage for a whole parking lot and that's right that's and that's the component that we're dealing with p and z for let's not let's not let's not again go beyond and right where we are we're not okay and i think the owner is is has certainly been made aware of that and and we're keeping an eye on it so we're He's kind of in a holding pattern with the exception of when he's got the permit. And hold that cease and desist thought in your mind, too. Okay? If it's necessary, use it. Yeah.
067Russ, anything else? No. Okay, good. The Highland Lake Watershed Association, anything, Jamie? Yes, just a reminder that the annual meeting is on July 11th at 9 o'clock at the Franciscan Center. The poker run. is on Saturday, July 18th. Rain date is July 19th. And the boat parade is on July 25th at 7 p.m. And the theme is America 250. No activities planned for the 4th of July from the organization, anything like that? No. Board selectman is... Selectman Hester let me know he was unable to attend tonight. He had a conflicting meeting with the off schedule. Okay. Wakeboarding with the deep. There's nothing that I'm aware of we can pull that off the agenda going forward if you want You know one of the things that I think should be made public and I think it
068should come from Town personnel is that the Highland Lake? Friends of Highland Lake use that forum for highlighting different, you know activities somebody lost the buoy somebody did this somebody did that And people are selling docks back and forth. People are selling boats that are wakeboard boats back and forth. And, you know, people should understand that if you want to sell a dock to a neighbor, the neighbor has to put in a permit to put the dock in the water. You know, so maybe something, if Candy was still here, I would have asked her to think that she was here only on a personal note rather than an official note. I think we should communicate that to them. Can I ask for clarification on what forum are you talking about? The Highland Lake, Friends of
069Highland Lake, it's on a Facebook marketplace site. Oh. All right, and people are selling things. You know, when, you know, somebody's going to get jammed up. It's like the Wild West. Yeah. Again, if they know they can buy a dock, yeah. Or the Highland Lake Watershed Association. They can advertise. I don't care. But let them know they meet your permit. I have a question for the audience. Why is everybody here? Oh, boy. It's so entertaining. You can watch it on television. It's just as entertaining. Very impressive. Very impressive. We're here to talk about the dock that they want to put on 77 East Lake Street. Oh, that's the table? Yeah, we were not notified. None of us were notified. Yeah, so you're notified of the hearing. There's no notification requirement that you get notified that
070it's been postponed? And that's the reason that we made the point at the meeting to let everybody know that this has been postponed and we will table it until the July 16th meeting. So that, in effect, is your notification. So that hearing will open July 16th. So we're going to see everybody back here? Yeah. All right. Yeah, this is great. Hang on. Let me just close the meeting and then we'll go from there. Is there a motion? One more thing. Go ahead, Jane. The safe streets for all. There's a public meeting next Thursday, June 25th at 5 p.m. right here in the Hicks room. What is that? To go over the results of the survey and to get public comment. And what survey is that? The Safe Streets for All. Safe Streets, okay. And just
071to piggyback on that, this has the potential to open up a decent amount of grant money, both state and federally, for issues that we have in town, such as our main street slash highway. So if anyone's available and willing to attend, I would ask you to do so. That's next Thursday? Yeah, what was the date again, Jamie? Yeah, Thursday the 25th at 7 p.m. Anything else? I hear a motion to close to adjourn. Sorry that one's at 5 p.m. 5 p.m. Cultural committees at 7 motion to judge their second all those in favor of adjourn