Ann Arbor Independent Police Oversight Commission 10/27/20

001tuesday october 27th meeting of the independent community police oversight commission to order okay let me take roll call commissioner maori yes commissioner bill ups president commissioner burch president commissioner caldwell commissioner carter here commissioner evans president commissioner admin present commissioner walton is out vice chair todoro here chief jackson councilmember members lum and rim lowy here okay we have a quorum is there a motion to approve the agenda shot evan so moved second all in favor aye aye aye any opposed uh motion is carried public comment so i stopped call here okay i don't see the call any longer i was gonna say even i could see it for a second there yes okay i don't see it now okay well we can revisit um public forum at the end or public comment at the end if

002we have time if a caller reappears and you all should have the draft of the september meeting minutes is there a motion to approve that so move is there a second second and all in favor uh uh any opposed yes i'm so sorry i'm sorry i thought you were saying aye yeah no i and obviously i don't vote uh i'm a non-voting member but i did raise my hand but i'm not on the participant list that i can find so you wouldn't have seen my raised hand i just have a i have a minor amendment really uh to the minutes yeah for september okay oh okay in the communications at the end um yes it's minor really uh where it says council member one mentioned the 2021 agenda will be assembled in december 2020 [Music]

003and suggests leslie the commission should provide i'd like to change the following should provide some policing policy recommendations to assistant city administrator john fournier it's a minor amendment okay hold on so i want to make sure i get it right i have two changes actually in the first sentence i would like to change it to read how the committee reviews state and federal legislation and makes recommendations to adopt or approve legislative proposals so please change topics to legislative proposals so it's it's clear okay important to the city and then the next sentence counts number one mentioned the 2021 agenda will be assembled in december 2020 and suggested the commission should provide some policing policy recommendations to assistant city administrator john fournier okay got it okay thank you for that any other corrections any other corrections

004modifications are before we all right so we have a motion from commissioner carter in a second from todoro hargraves vice chair todora hargraves um all in favor of approving the minutes with the um amendment the correction any opposed motion carries um did you mention that the caller was back denise yes all right could you put the collar through okay good afternoon hello caller i think they need to hit star six to unmute caller can you hit star six to unmute yourself or were you just listening by way of phone i think i'm unmuted now yes you are all right so i continue to be confused by the youtube stream and the phone calls i i'm sorry about that no worries um uh i i think where we are in the meeting is public comment um

005and so i just wanted to call in so my name is uh dr kevin carpiac i'm a criminologist uh student of a researcher on place oversight uh and i just wanted to say a little bit about um to kind of applaud the efforts to work with the nrpd on the data portal which i think is i think there's some really interesting and cool things that can be done with that but i just also want to make sure that um thinks about some of the dangers of doing that as well like i know kind of open data always sounds like a great stuff but oftentimes those those data portals can could be put to uses that are not intended they can become kind of crime maps and actually kind of ways to target certain kinds of

006neighborhoods and populations uh in ways that um for example many of the kind of non-profit organizations that work with local governments to create data portals for government have actually kind of refused to do specifically police data dashboards uh for many of those reasons and i just wanted to to put in a comment to proceed with caution along that um one potential place to look for some of the the background on how to kind of fruitfully uh present some of that data is a recent report by the center for policing equity and the policing project at the ny school of law called collecting analyzing and responding to stop data a guidebook for law enforcement agencies governments and communities it's not a perfect report but it's i think a good place to start and a recent one

007that's all i have thank you so much kevin [Music] denise is that our only call that's our call um so certainly that was very timely i actually happen to have um just downloaded that report so i can i'm making a note to send it to everyone um it is really important for us to think about using data wisely and responsibly and making sure that we are not creating problems as we're trying to solve problems including transparency um i haven't read it yet so so it'll be interesting for us to read it and to think about um how we might avoid some of the pitfalls of sharing information the first thing on our agenda in terms of business is old business so we have a response to the public safety resolution from june and i can

008i believe i have the resolution up i can share my screen um sarah i believe you are taking the lead on explaining this document yes uh i'm happy to him let me um okay and now whenever i do this it's super hard for me to see what you guys are doing okay can you guys see that on the screen okay is it too um is it what is it it's distorted oh okay let me stop sharing then no i think the last screen though was readable it was just uh the first the first one was uh not okay hold on one second okay i'm not sure what the difference was in them but um i'll just there is an option to optimize it so let's see is that better yes perfect perfect so there's a

009button to optimize it for video and apparently you should not use that button is that the one you wanted to share lisa or the actual resolution that we had just drafted that's the that was the summary response no i really would like to share the um the one that you're drafting um and so which is that which one is that what's the title of that response to or responding to uh it responds to okay yeah so what's that version one at the top yes version one that's it perfect thank you my apologies it is coming up we had a lot of paperwork going on yeah there are a lot of documents but that's okay um okay so now let's share it without optimizing better yes okay there we go huh can you see it now

010yes okay perfect oh it's still the summary but i can provide context um i can see it you guys just can't see it so last time uh at the last commission meeting we had presented to you the document that lisa um so beautifully keeps sharing which was uh a larger sort of summary and overview of what we were thinking about as far as what the resolution from the council in the summer had been around sort of the initiative of igpak and this large-scale um review of public safety in ann arbor and then when we brought up that summary with you all at the last session uh lisa had just directed us to consolidate it even further to sort of pull out themes of what sort of the collective commission was seen as the pertinent most

011pressing issues and so that's what this document is it is a resolution in the form of sort of a response to the city council resolution um that gave ikpak the directive to have a stake in and help shape the public safety um in ann arbor so that is what this resolution is so can you now see it yeah yeah thank goodness so it's a it's a summary of a summary an official response back to city council does that make sense to folks yes okay you want me to read it no um well why not there may be people who cannot quite read it um cannot quite see it if they're watching on television it's kind of small that way okay council member um i mean council member ram raleigh has raised his hand go ahead

012um thanks i'm sure i'm gonna have a few other questions but real quickly the last resolve clause uh wait wait ali can she read it first so they know everybody knows what it is before you do that sure thank you okay okay go sarah all right whereas we are in the midst of a movement that is rallying not only our community but the country as a whole this movement is up is an opportunity to look at and reshape the system of public safety and policing in our community as it evolves for generations to come and for the betterment of all and whereas we acknowledge the resolution presented by the ann arbor city council in june 2020 proposing that igpak lead a multi-stakeholder task force to provide city public safety recommendations and whereas city council unanimously

013shared their support for icpoc and that the commission was the correct entity to define what next steps should be and how to best achieve them and whereas recognizing that many of their views and actions put forth in the council's resolution are already functions of igpak and whereas igpak welcomes the opportunity to add new responsibilities to our work and be able to incorporate a broader understanding or more comprehensive approach to public safety and whereas epoch already has a considerable workload any additional tasks will need additional support resolved city council confirms their continuing support for epoch to perform all duties as defined in ordinance 18-30 and to expand those responsibilities in response to the need to reimagine public safety in ann arbor and resolve the city council reaffirms their support that additional resources potentially including but not

014necessarily limited to administrative technical outside expertise or financial will be provided as necessary to complete the work and resolved icpoc will need to engage with a wide range of stakeholders from throughout the community and resolve icpoc will need to devote resources to obtaining and analyzing data and resolved icpac will present to city council within 90 days a request for specific changes to audience 18-3-0 which will be supported by the statements of the scope of the work the goal is to be achieved a timeline and basic action steps and detailed requests for any needed additional resources thank you um so now i know we have some friendly amendments um and council member ram lawyer you had one and i have some in writing from council member lom and commissioners um if there's anything you would like

015to add change or questions you have about it i don't have any amendments to offer i'll just listen to um the amendments being put forth and then have questions or respond to things thank you and to be able to incorporate so one two three four five to our work and two i think there's a suggestion to add the word to here yeah and then yeah and number six there was an um considerable workload and there's a suggestion for an and there um and then there was on the to amend the to community conversations regarding so that was the first resolve clause yeah so you want me to yeah you could and then i don't have to go ahead okay so first thanks thanks to sarah and on and jude for working on this i did

016a lot of very good work as usual um so yeah so so my my suggestion um for the first resolved pause was an amendment uh to change the wording as follows instead of saying and to expand those responsibilities in response to the need to reimagine public safety i would suggest changing it to and to expand those responsibilities in response to community conversations regarding reimagining public safety and the reason i suggest rewording it that way is because when i read this my immediate question was has the need to reimagine public safety been established uh council has not had any conversations about this we of course have had a lengthy conversation when this resolution in june was brought forward by the mayor council members brand and this was ackerman uh the resolution was not approved so we

017discussed this event that we did not really talk about you know at the time reimagining public safety so yeah there have been lots of conversations swirling about this but no one has this is a policy direction that first needs to be established that we want to and you're going to get a new city council fairly soon very soon um but we've had all these community conversations about this so i thought that maybe that wording at this way would reflect uh what has actually occurred so hence the recommendation or suggestion i should say that makes sense now seeing it in its pretty final form are there other thoughts or questions or just one question too uh wondering what you would like done with this resolution uh since this is ickbox response uh and you're saying at

018the end uh in the resolve budget that that if pop will present to council in 90 days time this request for certain uh revisions to come to or changes to the ordinance that established epoch my suggestion would be to con that you probably want to convey this as an information item and that can be included in the next if you vote on this tonight it could still be included in the council packet as an information item and boards and commissions do this sort of thing for the november 5th agenda and i know for that agenda lisa dr jackson will be giving again one of her she really knocks it out of the park whenever she and i'm sure you all catch her when she gives counsel the in the city the updates the ipoc updates

019and um you know what that's a really subjective description i understand everyone is not a fan i'm a squirt fan you hit a home run so um you could reference it then too as well anyway i i wasn't certain how you wanted to then advance this to council uh this because it's it doesn't work necessarily as a as a resolution coming from council member ram lawyer myself but it seems to be more appropriately an information update because you're telling council that we're going to present yeah a follow-up request with specificity in 90 days just wanted to point out too lisa um i feel like it was brought up just in separate conversations that we weren't in favor of describing what this would be as a task force i'm not sure how that ended up in

020this draft where is that in in the second whereas but maybe it was just a matter of speaking to what city council had asked for and not what we and we're instead saying that we will take this on that we're not using a task force um how about i i actually understand you and i don't know because um i don't think i i the things i added to this a few days ago were really tiny um and it wasn't in this area however i can see how that might be confusing and so it might be um [Music] um how about um we could take that out for the sake of commuting a confusion and just use the word evaluate if i could type it so i'm proposing that evaluate city public safety recommendations does that

021make more sense yes yeah okay that way there won't be any confusion that we have absolutely no intention of starting a task force supervising one operating one um but we and and and i think maybe that came from you know just the understanding that that was part of the request the initial request that was made from city council however that's not something we're going to take on but evaluate i think serves that same purpose is that fair okay um so is there anything else that we might add to this that would um make everyone um comfortable with us putting this forward on the fifth there we can all see it on one page uh this is anand and i have a thought about about the very first paragraph yes and and i thought we changed

022it but we're coming back to the older it's like what we're doing is going to impact for generations to come i think this is a little bit like uh exaggeration and things change i mean i hope it it will not be for generations to come i hope that the next generation will have even better so to say that we're going to do something now for generation to come is not like realistic and it's exaggeration uh of our power and it's not a good thing that we do something now and it will influence for generation to come i mean things evolve and change so there's a different way to express it i think we change it some and then it was changed back so do you know what i'm talking about yes here in a very

023very very paragraph you know like yeah as it evolved for generations to come safety and policing in our community as it fell apart generation to come we don't we can't do something now for generation to come maybe for for you know foreseen future or for many years for something like that but maybe for like the betterment of future generations because i i definitely hear what you're saying and on i think but we changed it yeah oh yeah i was here trying to imply that it doesn't hurt to leave it but it doesn't sound realistic and it sounds a little bit arrogant in my opinion that's what we're going to do when i read it i didn't see it as hyperbolic um and i think i mean i'm not i think you all can decide how

024you want it organized however um i i do think you can make an argument that even forming a police oversight commission commission changes right to some degree for generations to come um however i am i you know i i think this should be the most efficient effective piece of uh resolution that it can be so i i i welcome any way to tighten it up about how about if we use um public safety and future policing in our community strike the entire sort of last line and end yeah about the community it doesn't then it doesn't end for and better for the betterment of all doesn't it doesn't follow but it's in our community for four or for the betterment of all maybe yeah yeah really to reshape to look at um and reshape the

025system of public safety and future policing in our community as it evolves and for the betterment of all i think that sounds that sounds really fine i'm really good at cutting out words yeah not not necessarily so good at adding them but i'm great at editing out no it's actually it's good to write something and go over it and say what word can we take out what sentence we can replace with the word is a good practice um sarah is this highlighted because of me what i did um it might have been francis i think she had some like very little yes i have a question about that um because we're not necessarily doing anything with that we're referencing what city council did um or where they stand currently my question is should both of

026those be whereas paragraphs as opposed to resolved paragraphs as i always thought resolved paragraphs are what we as a commission are resolving to do as we move forward i almost got this confused i don't know council confirmed their support like saying it's more our action rather than city councils right so because this is you know it's more as like whereas if pop already has a considerable workload and any additional tests will need additional support and whereas city council confirms their continuing support and then end whereas city council reaffirms their support and then the resolved clauses start it could be this is annan again it it could be like it start for you know something like epcot will perform all students as defined in the ordinance and expand these responsibilities in response to community yeah i

027mean we can take the city council confirm and we can put i mean counting on the city's support count on the continuous city support will be the last paragraph so start with what because after the first the highlighted yellow it says what epoch is going to do actually okay that explains it thank you i was trying to kind of look back at the original document but i couldn't see the um comments in the original um i think commissioner alum has another one has another question i just think okay please um please just yell i can't see your hands because because i'm here i'm sorry i know go ahead i would just say when you've written it with the whereas clauses followed by these particular resolve plus i think it's a good logic flow i mean

028you're making the case for what you're resolving to do and i think that so i think that the whereas clauses are complementary and it leads to your whereas clauses nicely so i would not convert um these whereas clauses i to resolve clauses i think i i think what you've written um makes the case for what you're saying uh you intend to do commissioner um i'm sorry council member rum lawyer yes thank you um back to the first paragraph you know this is the commission's document i don't want to step on any toes just uh wondering if we could if it could they could add you know what kind of movement this is um we're in the midst of a what type of movement i think it's important to really um maybe a identity want something

029as broad as a social movement or a what were you looking for something more specific yeah obviously it's a social justice movement um you know uh and then the the word opportunity and look um i don't really like the the word opportunity sometimes because it sounds opportunistic and i don't i don't believe it's how perhaps the commission wants to come across as using this you know the the blood that's being spilt as an opportunity necessarily so uh this this this you know so i just that was more in reference to the the actual resolution itself but i i can see how it sounds like i'm talking about the other unrest i also think that a social justice movement isn't just about the lives that have been lost the social justice this social justice movement is

030also about the coming together of many different kinds of people across our country now to coalesce around one single issue and so i think opportunity doesn't necessarily just refer to um you know george floyd and all the other people who have been lost um now in 2020 or as we're going to talk about in a moment in 2014 in ann arbor right so um and i think it might be slightly optimistic you're the optimist ali you're the optimist usually i think it feels kind of optimistic to say it's an opportunity to assess this system so when i i don't know i just keep saying i keep wanting to use the word movement instead of moment you know to start that sentence off you know uh just pivot back to that word movement you know just

031just movement games to address and reshape the system of public safety is what i got it down real quick i don't know if that we could say something as simple as this is an opportunity but sarah do you want to speak to the way that people are talking about movement and moment in sure lisa i thank you i definitely um hear what ali is trying to say in that uh i think i heard you say like this um we aim to assess or what what had you just said well like my tongue just wants to go like this movement aims to address okay well well i i think it's let's let's work on the word moment because i'm not sure aim that there's like that's a whole nother kettle of verb be it's change but

032if you guys could work out that moment movement thing and maybe an informational piece from you sarah well yeah i think the the moment i'm speaking about in the second sentence is the opportunity from city council um to invest in having a voice in how public safety is reimagined um i wasn't speaking to like the movement or like the movement piece in that sentence it was like this moment this um the opportunity to take on these responsibilities so we can simply say that this is an opportunity right i i feel that's an ongoing weight on our shoulders and it's a 24 7 you know uh way to look at the responsibilities that we have and so i i it's never a fleeting it never will never be a moment is all the time i think

033it should be at least okay so we could say this is an opportunity to assess and reshape the system of public safety and future policing in our community as it evolves and for the betterment of all this and why don't we say reshape system of public safety and future policing uh for uh in our community as it as it evolves we don't need as it evolves so you want in our community for the betterment of all yeah um okay and anon you know i know your voice i would know it anywhere oh okay you know my accent i think and i know your voice okay i could hear you in kroger and i would know it was you okay um all right so whereas we are in the midst of a social justice movement that

034is rallying not only our community but the country as a whole this is an opportunity to assess and reshape the system of public safety and future policing in our community for the betterment of all right cleaner yeah stronger yeah all right i think all the input and so go ahead if you want the two results that are highlighted by yellow by um we can rewrite them so it doesn't start with the city council it's i think she was saying don't rewrite them right right yeah leave them leave them um after they got edited yes i think makes a makes more sense but before that slight edit so can i show you guys what it looks like without all the red marking now go for it because we should we should vote on this to present

035it to city council and so i want to make sure that this reflects everybody's sentiments that this is um where we are this was kind of a big deal um sarah anand jude thank you so much for doing the really heavy lifting on this i feel like the rest of us just added a couple little tweaks go ahead jane one other question um so i think it would also be helpful when you send this to council again if you do it as an information item for the november 5th agenda that will be added to the agenda formally uh and you can speak to it uh when you make your comments if you want um will they were you planning on including i think it would be a good thing to do this uh because it's

036like your memo attached to this resolution so were you thinking of including the uh response to the city your two-page response to the council resolution that document that you had up first on the shared screen that was um sarah was that just intended as a as a summary how did you intend that um i mean if councilmember alum thinks it will provide like further context on where we landed with this resolution have you all had a chance to look at i i think that came from denise today and the title of it is responding yes um and so we it you know we can i know i i i changed like one little spelling thing in it um and you guys could take a look at that and then um or unless you want to

037look at it now are we all finished with this one yeah can i just can i can i say one thing which is just because as i read it it seems to flow better in my mind in the first whereas in the second sentence yes ma'am this is an opportunity what about this presents an opportunity to assess yeah that sounds good i mean i i don't know why it just it sounded better in my head okay thank you for speaking up sorry i'm doing it the cheating way this presents an opportunity to assess yeah yeah i think that's actually a little cleaner and a little more accurate okay and um okay so let's go ahead sorry and on the narrative again uh if we have a couple like you know i i don't really have

038substantive changes per say that they're more you know just some verbiage tweaks um do you want us to send those to you um we could do that um why don't you send them to um sarah and cece me so if unless and that way we could move on because we do have to talk about a couple more things um and so um i will send it out again to everyone and say this is the summary please send me your comments and sarah saying back to me and sarah um because we should clean it up and i should get it ready and format as a pdf or whatever to bring to city council on the thursday following election day presuming we're all still standing on that day go ahead and very last thing i promise on

039this uh you should send this to the city clerk jackie boudry if you can say by noon on thursday so that it's placed on legistar in the packet and all of that so on by the 29th yes okay so that means that you guys need to get comments back to me and sarah by the 28th and then um that night i can incorporate them all and send them to jackie in the morning on thursday i start work at eight so i will be sending them her to her like 7 um so if you guys get to get them um by the tomorrow night that would be fantastic i will send them out again today just so everybody can look at it and then um i'll uh sarah and i can go through it just make

040any quick changes make sure um they reflect the intent and then i'll get them to jackie by thursday um so before and so while we have this up is there a motion to um have this added to the council agenda for november 5th as an informational item in the package i have one concern i want to express it and and maybe it's relevant anyway you know because it's right after the election i don't i'm afraid people will be worried and it will not get the attention that needed so i don't know what how the election the outcome of the election is two days after the outcome of the election i don't know how it's going to affect the meeting if anything but it's just a thought if you people don't think he'll make a difference

041then let's go 45th councilmember lamb so dr jackson is on the agenda for november 5th and she can bring everyone's attention to this and i think it would be nice to have this actually uh included in the agenda uh so that they have the hard copy of this i'm sorry i think it's going to help with the the presentation that dr jackson gives beginnings and this that that agenda is the lightest agenda i've seen in the two years i was not i've been on council so i'm getting super like probably get a lot more air time than it would normally be oh okay good to know i was worried that should be the other way around and also people so you're saying we won't be up till 3 a.m watching is that what you're saying

042no i hope not okay good all right this is there's a reason why i'm always at the beginning though you guys go way too hard for me i don't think i can't hang in there with you until 3 a.m every time all right so having said all of that is there a motion to present this council yes i make a motion i second it all in favor aye aye aye any opposed motion carries so let us talk about some new business sarah we're going to keep you on the hot seat and um you are going to talk about some outreach efforts you and i am and several other people have been doing outreach like crazy lately but you had some particularly salient relevant items to to apprise everyone of uh yes happy to speak to

043those meetings that i had um so sort of in vain with the initiatives we've been tasked with as a result of this resolution um i conferred with lisa about meeting with elected officials um as far as advocating on behalf of the community and hearing from state senator jeff irwin and state rep yousef robbie on what they felt were sort of top concerns and priorities for the community i had the summaries of those conversations pulled up who has been they're also in the report there's a report okay great outreach committee report if you want to they can people refer to them there yes so i can give a brief summary um so my conversation with um state rep uh robbie was really interesting um in that he just you know spoke to the advocacy that survivor

044speaks had been doing in the community uh rallying the community just getting them in the streets having them you know have their voices heard about a variety of societal issues and both conversations i felt um you know they were very much aware of what was going on um and he was making sure that you know we just stay in touch with all of the community partners and folks to make sure that the agenda we're moving forward does center the community's voice so that was very just like reassuring here and then state senator jeff irwin so he spoke at length around um lots of initiatives that he had done before he's even taken office um since he's been there most notably are um a few bills that he has on um presented at the capitol right

045now sort of around just oversight and public safety um uh senate bill 945 actually mandated continued training for all michigan police officers so it's something that i know is very important to chief cox just through conversations with him um and this is more statewide just ensuring that police officers um have a more rigorous and just continuous level of training around knowing and recognizing their own mental health and then also on calls when a call um you know that's the pressing issue um so that that was very exciting to hear about um there were also um different conversations he had um let's see oh yeah around sort of the input of civilians on uh m coles which is the board that lisa was recently appointed to um lisa can you speak to him coles absolutely so

046it's the michigan commission on law enforcement standards and the job of imcoles is to regulate all police departments in the state of michigan that speaks to training that speaks to licensing that speaks to enforcement of all of the regulations that the state of michigan puts on policing um he has been comprised of law enforcement officials since its inception that includes police chiefs and sheriffs um from across the state um however now there is um there are three civilians so i am one of those the other two um are pastors one from detroit and one from flint um and um the michigan department of civil rights now has a seat on the commission as well so there are four of us who are not law enforcement officials and i have perceived my job to be to

047bring an oversight perspective to that board that's a pretty broad challenge um i am sorry i was trying to think of how many people are on the commission right now i think there were 19 and that we bring it to 23 now um i could be off by a couple of people um and jeff irwin and i have had some conversations too about police training um and um and about adding more civilians so i'm the only oversight professional on the commission right now so i'm the only person who's trained to think about oversight and the only person whose goal is transparency and accountability um certainly the other two civilians have interest in that as does the um tony lewis from the michigan department of civil rights has an interest in in thinking about the legal

048aspects of how police operate in the state of michigan but it would be helpful to have certainly more um civilians on that board to have a little more weight to what we're talking about yeah which is something that yeah he had advocated for as well so i think all in all um definitely we'll continue conversations with them um especially as different bills are proposed and sort of make their way through the house just ways we can advocate um just them doing their work to help us do our work better just really strengthening and improving the partnerships sort of across the community and at that state level to really ensure we're using this commission and sort of the way that we are positioned to really champion and advocate um on behalf of the community in the

049concerns of public safety please so thank you go ahead council member alum thanks and thanks for your work your you're out your great outreach work um sarah and uh uh muhammad deandre and anand [Music] this dovetails nicely into well this this is an example of what i was communicated about and amended the amendments to reflect the minutes to reflect these types of legislative proposals that this city council um policy agenda committee there are no citizens on that it's just a council committee uh they annually come up with uh recommendations on policies that uh that this committee will recommend to council advocacy positions on which then evolved into resolutions that the council votes on typically and approves and then those are referred to our various uh state and if appropriate federal uh legislative representatives um and

050and this committee was created as sort of the funnel before all all this legislative stuff that's happening out there so that there's one committee that sorts through all of this and they start with as their guiding principles the recommendations that have been established for all these topical areas um various boards and commissions provide their guidance on legislation and that's why i was just saying it needs to do that and uh they will be comprising they that the members of this policy agenda committee will be comprising the recommendations which are the plan the annual plan it's reviewed annually updated annually i've only been at this for a couple years two years i think uh that is also approved by council so things like this any recommendations on this kind of legislative these types of legislative actions

051i know that we have gotten back in july from uh we council have received uh in response to one of these resolutions that we have passed this one had to do with police oversight and lean access uh rebecca uh state representative rebecca warren wrote to council in july thanking us for the copy of the resolution and then she also did reference um [Music] i'll just read from that letter quickly she wrote this more recently the detroit caucus the michigan legislative black caucus and house and senate democrats announced the introduction of the equal justice for all legislative package which he then goes on to describe so what you need to do is just basically kind of come up with a list of these legislative actions that you would like to see the policy agenda committee recommend

052to council uh for the their annual year for the for the uh 2021 so thank you and we we have been compiling a list council member ram lawy did you want to add to that no i just have a question and i should know the answer to this but i know um chief cox is with us here i think in attendance and we're talking about policy issues um and much has been brought to my attention on you know knock warrants where where do we stand uh as a state of the community with no knock warrants what do you mean like are they legal because they're still legal yeah pretty much yeah that they are legal and and it's something that we we practice here um when are they practiced if i could ask too one

053thing i can say is that they are practiced in the city of ann arbor um if not by ann arbor police but by multi-jurisdictional teams so for example if the state police has um an effort going on or if another jurisdiction has an effort going on they might alert the aapd and then uh you know they may cooperate in that effort but um chief good evening chief yeah how is everyone doing today so um no knock warrants are a little bit more complicated than i think what what people might understand so they're one of the most difficult ones to get in general and they're issued by a judge or magistrate certainly and so uh the purpose of it is really the circumstances of what you're asking for it for if there's a hostage situation or

054something like that and there's some you know there's some violence imminent violence that could happen or what have you uh i probably would say that you don't want to take that option off the table when you're talking about saving a person's life that's the only reason why probably i wouldn't rule out no knock warrants outside of that i probably would not knock on wood here uh ever doing no knock in in um in our room just because the fact that you know um those circumstances are pretty foreign foreign i would have to sign off on any of those in an hour and um the circumstances would have to be pretty pretty dire you know and when i say that you know where it's to save a life you know uh by us asking for it

055but you know again that is you know they're they're issued by judges or or clerks and the circumstances determine whether or not you get those and the idea is you just don't ask for the that for any any reason you know person didn't pay a target parking ticket get it on my point no that's those aren't the conditions under which you would ask for something like that so um i i can't say that they're inherently bad but they certainly can lead to bad things if you ask for them not in the right circumstances ali so the i guess the question is we we don't you know we're not doing them on a regular it's not something i would probably look to allow to do but the fact is i don't have that crystal ball to

056say uh there's not a circumstance out there that it would not meet the conditions for one could could it be simply outlined as to what the conditions are since there are so few of them ali could we like could we move this to a different section here i apologize your meeting i don't wanna but this is something that's come up quite a bit and i think it's an important topic i just want to finish the outreach portion and we're going to talk about data collection with the chief and so then you could talk about no knock warrants in there too if you wanna um sarah um so i met with stephanie chang who also has a senate bill pending about collaboration of animal police and social work um did you want to say anything about

057uh were you had you concluded your comments about your outreach uh yes before our commissioner malawi got us off topic well no i just it's policy right like no knock warrants like it becomes i thought a policy issue that we could be addressing at a higher level of government thank you um sarah were you finished with that okay i was just going to share another item so um in keeping with um thinking about um can i sorry i have an outreach comment wait a minute let me let me do one and then you can comment i was just gonna say in keeping with this sort of checking you in the community thing one of the things i did recently was collaborate with survivor speak um on an uh event they did getting real about race

058um a couple saturdays ago and so i'm i think you guys should be able to see it on the screen um that was held at lily park and the reason why it was held at lilly park is because at the time at which we were sort of organizing it um the limit was 10 people outside in ann arbor um obviously that had been overturned by a couple weekends ago um but it was a pretty comprehensive meeting the mayor participated um there were debbie dingle participated um um hold on so lois richardson participated i participated um so there were several community um people that participated in it there was a wide ranging discussion from housing to health to law enforcement we had the incoming washington county prosecutor speak as well um and trishay duckworth organized this

059entire event in collaboration um with a few of us and i spoke to mental health issues and disparities in mental health services but also the need for mental health training for police officers and then the need for police officers to um have adequate mental health services um and and so while we often think that police officers need to be trained in recognizing mental health situations and being able to call inappropriate community providers when we need them sometimes i think we do not consider the mental health of police officers and we need to do that as well we know that for example officers who are sleep deprived are far more likely to rely on implicit bias than they are when they're not sleep deprived that is true of all humans but there have been some research

060studies conducted with police officers specifically um we know that police officers who are are struggling with mental health issues what we want is for is to know with certainty that the police officers who are in our communities are are mentally healthy and so it is important for them to have um mental health services have access to them and actually utilize them and so that's what we were talking about in this particular that's what i was talking about in this particular forum with a couple other mental health providers and i think the mayor was talking about housing i think and we had some other partners talking about um lots of other areas um in terms of racial disparities in washington um and then jane you had another outreach coming thanks that was that's very interesting and

061thanks for the participation that and sorry i missed it uh and i'll look for that concentrate article uh now fine we're just little you know comments uh back to uh the outreach committee report if i may uh i appreciate that you are having this brochure um translated into um uh arabic and spanish and the city does this so uh they have these contacts um our our largest minority population in ann arbor is uh asian and so i think translated and we do this with a lot of word documents now translated into mandarin chinese we translated the pandemic you know ordinance on gathering and mastering into chinese and the budget survey and uh so we we have that capacity so i would just suggest that that also be provided um in chinese and then just on

062the organizations again that's a good list uh and but i don't see all the public housing sites i would add for example greenbacks report i mean we we uh in the end you know we are in the very finally you know if you have suggestion of any additional organization or officials we should reach out to or can help us you know so we are open we know this is not comprehensive uh we and we're in the very last we're asking for two things one of them if you have additional organization you think we should reach to to let us know and the other thing is that if you know somebody in this organization because usually if you get a call from somebody you know like i was on the board of dispute resolution center for

063a while and i know the director the minute i called her and i said you know we have this brochure and we have this introductory video she didn't ask any questions of course we put them in of course you know but when you call somebody you don't know and you talk to their secretary and they might call you on him so in that area if we want to move the work a little bit faster it will be helpful for any of the commissioners you know to say yes i know uh this organization i know the director i will be happy either to call them and let them know you're calling them or i will be willing to call them on your behalf this way we don't call and leave a message and wait for them

064to call us back they don't know who we are it's really make a lot of difference who makes the call so for that reason we are asking for your help in the very final comment of this report um so that would be great if anyone has any additions to it if they could send them to anand do you prefer to get them sarah do you want them how do you want them um emails they can send them to me or to the four people on the on the on the uh i i will collect them and forward them to other people because in our meeting we say we have more organization who's going to collect who so you know it doesn't matter who you send it to send them to me since i'm working on

065this report it's okay all right so we'll have everyone send their comments on that to anan and she can add them and distribute them to everyone else um and if you know somebody in an organization that can be helpful to us tell us yes call this person or i'm willing to call on on behalf of the commission or i'm willing to call in and or send an email to let them that you ex you know to expect that somebody would call them from the commission and in the last in the last meeting actually in the last report they were a name attached to each of the organization who's going to contact them i didn't do it again so you can go to that or just say somebody from the commission will be calling you be

066very helpful will do um so vice chair todora hargraves i think is going to transition us and talk about data collection from the police department in analysis um thinking about many kinds of data collection so you know we we talked about this a few meetings ago which came up through one of the public forum comments and we started we had a meeting with chief cox and at that time he was beginning his process with um hiring someone who would come in and be um the department's data analyst and um we are hopefully finalizing that process and once that person is on board then we're looking to have uh regular meetings with them and the chief and others in the department so that we establish a data collection process along with the proper software and so

067on where we are collecting and inputting uh the data that best suits what our needs are in the city of ann arbor so we want to be able then to have a system in place where we can look at the now data um what's going on now uh what are we seeing in the past month in the past three months not necessarily going back four and five years but to see um what's going on here in the city currently what is it that the officers are collecting also determining how it's being collected or how how different calls are being assigned so for instance something that we might look at as a domestic violence may have been coded and data collected as an assault so you're coming up with two two very different things because if

068if we go to the chief and say how many domestic violence calls did we see separately month by month over the last three months but then we later find out that there were maybe several more but they were classified as assaults so they didn't come up in the initial request so we need to really determine all of those things and um set that criteria and and go from there so like we said a few months ago we would be working on this in the months to come and we're looking to be able to bring back to you regular updates on where we are so that's where we're at currently and i think the police have um closed the position so they're no longer searching i think they're negotiating with a finalist at this time so

069we all have our fingers crossed that there will be a data analyst lots of times we get asked for information how many of this or is this increasing or decreasing and we sort of joke that all of the data from the police department is on legal pads and drawers somewhere but um but it's been very very challenging um because they haven't had a consistent um computerized um process for collecting lots of data and so um we are all very happy that they that they will have this data analyst person and they'll start collecting data many of us have had a lot of training on collecting police data and one of the things that will happen is once we start seeing what's being collected we might ask for different kinds of data we might ask hey

070could you also ask this question because you also collect this piece of information um are it you know it's interesting that you're missing this one thing here and so um i went to a training a few weeks ago specifically on traffic stop data um and and we could look at other kinds of calls as vice chair tadorah hargraves mentioned assault cause or domestic violence calls what kinds of things might we be asking um or what kinds of things might we want to know that that aren't currently being collected but right now we have to um let the person get up and running and see what kinds of of data they collect before we can see whether there are things that we we'd like to um to add to that process or questions we'd ask that

071can't be answered um and so revisions that might need to be made to the process um and so that's an ongoing process but we are optimistic that it will change um probably in the next few months i would think um you know if a person comes on in a month or two then towards the beginning of the year they might start organizing and then a few months after that we might actually see some data so we know it's not um a process that's going to start tomorrow but we are looking forward to it and we are thinking about um what kinds of things we'd like to see and and sort of you know waiting to see how the person gets organized and then what they're doing and are there things that we might suggest they

072do um or add to it or what kinds of information might we glean from the data that they're collecting um we are lucky that we have lots of community partners and um several of us we used to work at the institute for social research so um and there are groups in the community that are willing to kind of help us think through these things and so um you know as we talked in the very beginning about working with community partners this is another area in which we expect that to be really fruitful kind of collaborations vice chair todora hargraves you should continue on because we have to talk about one of the most important things we do which is the complaint review process um and we we we thought we had a process for doing

073that and and um you should take that i think uh you know when we first started out some time ago we we learned very quickly that um what we were asking for was time consuming um there wasn't enough staff in the police department to redact information you know we learned that why this stuff is redacted due to lean and various things that they're on especially body uh body cameras that we cannot see and therefore that takes time so um back about 10 months ago we met with um lieutenant tyle who was in charge of professional standards at the time and the chiefs and some others and we came up with a process because they have we had learned that they had a spreadsheet that they they kept track of the complaints on and um we

074were trying to work out a process that would get us information on the complaints and uh be able then to know which ones we needed to see body cam footage for which ones did we need did we think really needed to be looked at um and we were doing that it was working out pretty well and then for like one meeting um and then we had some some issues uh some personnel matters that needed to be tended to and then we had um covid and we're just now coming out of covid and having um our assistant uh miss janice back in the office and over time what we learned was having the ordinance wasn't necessarily enough there were people who were looking for some standard operating procedures for the commission like how do we do

075our our reviews how do what do we do with document with complaints that come in over our web page where do they go who pulls them off the the website who has access to those things so these were things that we kind of learned over the last months and we are now putting those um standard operating procedures together um in writing so we're documenting all of that um so far we have four in draft um i think that at our next commission meeting i would like to bring those back all formalized to all of you i i don't know if we want to vote on them as a group but at least get some input on every on everything and then once these operating procedures are in place they'll be in place and so as

076those of us as commissioners come and go the operating procedures would be there i also think it's good to put even the one pertaining to complaints that we receive directly maybe on our web page so that the public sees when they complete that application form on our web page where it's going to go and what's going to happen to it who's going to contact them and we're also learning the timing um you know the the complaints as they get processed through professional standards some may take longer than others um but but we can get a feel for how long it's going to take and getting back with an individual complaint about where they go um and there's another uh process that's kind of occurring organically that we can let people know about on our web

077page and that is after professional standards finishes their um investigation the complaint will get an a letter and that letter will inform them the outcome of the investigation and the last paragraph of that letter does inform them that if they would like to seek further assistance from icpoc they can contact us and it gives the phone number and um assistant janice's denise's um email where they can call or email or contact us in some way so that's something else we may want to consider adding to our webpage to let the public know that um that we we are aware that that paragraph is in the disposition letter that uh pd forwards them and that they are open to contacting us and we'll look through their complaint then and at that point then um we are

078now open to more information also because now we know the complainant's name we may even know the officers names so um that gives us a little bit more access we still wouldn't be entitled to any protected lien information but it does give us a little bit more to go with when we do the do a little bit more of an investigation to it and um so our our review process we're looking at um monthly or bi-monthly we we're really trying to get into a swing and hopefully start really pushing out quite a few of these um reviews so that we can see exactly what's going on what complaints are coming in and so on you go ahead but most of them are actually um the the actions of the officers as far as um how

079they speak to the public um so so that's something good that we can look at i think moving forward as we collect more and more i'd like to get quite a few under our belt and then be able to look at them and say this is how many in this category this is how many in that category um so uh i i think that we're in a good good place to continue forward and i think we did we were derailed a little bit by covid but also by the changeover and professional standards and so we had kind of a routine for how to evaluate all of these and they were happening pretty efficiently and of course that changed because of covet we've now been able to do that remotely much more efficiently than we were

080before and so that's really really helpful it's enabled many more people to participate in the process of reviewing complaints and i expect that will continue i'm sure we'll be under some sort of until we have a vaccine and who knows when that's going to be but um we're able now to do that remotely and that's been very very helpful and it does eliminate some of the challenge of having to do these things after hours and so that was kind of one of the problems that we had and i remember uh council member ram lawyer speaking to this we are a board of volunteers most of us work during the day some of us need to can't come to police headquarters until after 5 p.m professional standards hadn't expected to be there that long and so

081this has actually resolved this being able to do some of this stuff remotely has actually been really useful to us we may need to continue that long past covert um but we did get um rearranged in some way by having to kind of go through the process all over again from scratch and now work with a new person and professional seniors and then change the procedures yet again and so um commissioner todora hargrave's um statement about standardizing them so that it works the same way every time no matter what commissioners are president no matter who's in professional standards is probably more important than it seems um and this is one of the challenges of having a new commission um and we do not want to reinvent the wheel um these complaints are really important to

082the complaints we've had some complaints who've had um had conversations with the mayor about some of these complaints and yet we still don't know as much as maybe the mayor might know about the complaint um because of the way the process is flowing so we want to smooth that out and make sure that that that we can stay on top of these and make sure that the information that's available to the public is available to us there have been cases where information has been released to the public that that that was refused that we were not able to have access to and and those kinds of things seem um need to be resolved so um so working this out um sounds like a lot of minutiae but we expect that it'll work um more efficiently

083and more effectively for the public and and that's whom we serve and so we can't do that effectively um without all the tools in the tool belt and so we're trying to make sure that we that that's the case another question for for francis before we move on about and the question my question is simple but it's related to both collecting data and reviewing complaint now do we have currently when we look at complaints and officer maybe we don't have the name but is there a way to give the officer's number numbers like officer number two or not say and to look at like how many complaints have been voiced against this particular officer i know we can't look at the name but if number five there's a lot of complaint about him i mean

084it'll be good to know because it gives a value to the you know you cannot review uh fairly without knowing like does this officer always get in trouble with people in the in the transit center now we can see the names uh okay we're just trying to do it faster she's just saying we might be able to see the names and that's why i'm saying if we might no we know we know we know legally we can do it okay the other question it's just taking too long is the other question is that when we have the reports i only look at very couple reports long time ago do we have the race and the ethnicity of the person who've been stopped by the police or have been no i think i think that is

085important in my in my assessment that i you know if if we are saying you know that and and the reason i'm i'm i'm raising this right now because there's this organization called citizen for racial equity in washington they did a big report about the bias in the jewish year system and about how and why it's about washington county and now i joined some me and uh commissioner of man joined the human rights commission there's a new committee form to look at this report and see how it affect us and what we can do about it and if we don't have the race or ethnicity then i think this is very important because it speaks volume about you know the because the social the social justice system and its bias start with the police nobody

086go unless you have a civil court between civil case between neighbors you know people are going to go to the courts i mean they their their first contact is the police and that's i think will be interesting important information to have the name um and the race and and ethnicity of the people being stopped so so these many um this came up in our last uh meeting many of these complaints are not due to a police stop many of them are actually a call to police or um an officer uh some several of them are car accidents so the officer was was called to a car accident to do a report or whatever so these are these many of these complaints do not pertain to a driver who was pulled over that's that that's a

087very small number um and if if the complainant identifies their race or anything within their complaint as far as they feel that they were treated improperly because of their race they do say that but there isn't a box that says what is your race no i'm talking about the police report when the police do a report and say we stopped so and so in this parking lot and there was an alteration and we end up that yeah that would be that doesn't pertain to a complaint that pertains not pretend but you were talking about reviewing you know uh okay i see no complaint then we don't know that how would we know as as a commission that the police when they stop people when they give them ticket when they arrest them for violation or

088if they co even if they're called to a domestic abuse situation and they go how do we know that your daughter is treated the same like sarah's daughter or some african-american person is treated or or a new immigrant or illegal immigrant you know it's not only about race well if we don't have that information then we really don't know when the police make traffic stops at least i can speak to that data because i have seen it they record information from the driver's license so they have age for example ethnicity does not appear on michigan driver's licenses however so officers make a judgment about the ethnicity of a person which is interesting right so there are some people for whom they assume are white and they assume looking at other people they're african-american they assume

089other people are middle eastern but these are all assumptions made on the part of the police officer they and so i've i've been talking with other lots of police officers informally and i say well hey if you're not quite sure what ethnicity somebody is why don't you just ask them and they're like whoa that could be really offensive we don't want to ask people i'm like okay i could see how that could be a problem um but what that means is relying on the data they collected has ethnicity in it not always going to be accurate some cases people look obviously whatever they are sometimes that's wrong but ethnicity is is not a thing that we um necessarily get good clean accurate data on because people do not identify themselves so when i get pulled

090over by the police they don't say hey lady what box do you want me to check right so i don't tell them they make a guesstimate and um you know i'm sure that's accurate a lot of the times but it's not always accurate um and they're right now we don't have a better way to collect that data and so that's pretty tricky you can get aids you can get address you can get name you can get lots of interesting information where the stop occurred the time of day the stop occurred which shift it was on all kinds of things but ethnicity is an interesting one because it isn't um people don't self-identify and that's the most accurate way to do that um and i have i know african americans who have um that when they

091get the ticket back the box has been checked unknown and they're offended they're like oh are you trying to slam the numbers to say that you know you don't want to admit that you stop this black person right and one of those and those people look black to me but i'm african-american i pretty much know black people when i see them but um one of them maybe you couldn't tell you can't necessarily discern um and so he was really offended so i think that's a tricky thing to talk about ethnicity um when we watch body cam footage we can see we can see the officer we can see the person we can see the complaint and we make some judgments about that um we made and so we got a complaint recently one of the

092ones to which um commissioner todora hargraves was referring where the complaintant was not the person um who it was an accident police were called to the scene the person was waiting with um a family member while the car was being towed and had some interactions with the police that were unpleasant we could make some uh distinctions about the um the the complainant and the complainant's gender and ethnicity and age because we could see them on camera we cannot however see their family member and and and and how old they were and that actually had some bearing on that so then we had to go and ask and have them go look up in the report because they had noted how old the person was um and so sometimes we have the data that we want

093and sometimes we don't sometimes there are ways to get it sometimes are not um so and that's a problem that people have all over the country how are we going to identify ethnicity um how accurate are we going to be are people going to be misleading are they deliberately going to say when they stop black people oh they're white are they going to deliberately say um you know you know are they really unsure you know what you want to say for example ann arbor police and i'm not saying this is accurate just a statement ann arbor police tend to stop more african-american young men when they are driving while they don't do the same or they are tend to more be violent with black when they have an interaction with them and the interaction more

094possibly gets violent this is an assumption as far as you are saying because you don't have data i think it is true by the way but you know anyone can argue this is an assumption you know data we and we actually could make you could look at it the traffic stop data for the last three years and you could run an analysis and you could look at that and you might come to that conclusion um that analysis has not been done yet but um but you might come to that conclusion if i feel confident about it but it might be you you always in the back your mind are going to worry a little bit um i think we probably the um inaccuracy is probably going to go in one direction more than another they're

095probably not going to over identify people as african-americans so if you still see a disparity my hypothesis would be that'd be a fair thing to conclude um so it's not that we can't do the analysis and i'm just saying that um me as a researcher i want people to self-identify because this only accurate way to do it that's not what we get to do that's not what police are doing that they don't ask people to self-identify they don't say hey i gotta check this box what box do you want me to check that's my that's my suggestion nobody wants to do that um i understand that um but you know we are gonna do that analysis we will do that all right um and and part of that's already happening so and we can talk

096about that when we get a little bit further in that process um yeah i think it is important it is and i i think that even just there are uh recent exercises in trespass you know the the idea that the majority of the people receiving trespass at the library i was being told were young black men and what we found out from um ms parker was that that wasn't correct and so i think it is important that these this data be collected um and that we find out what the true numbers are because um when you don't have data it's kind of a free-for-all the story is open to interpretation and so that's why it's important for us and that's why hiring this new person um will be a good thing in the long run

097um um to get that person in there and to get the data collected and to back to lisa's point i'm all for self-identifying um she knows i recently was um mistaken for latin a latina and it was a very uncomfortable conversation um so i think that it would be a lot easier for us if we were all just willing to self-identify or if there were a policy that said hey ask people and then if they refuse you guess but first ask it's 20 20 maybe we'll get there okay um i i think one of the things we we will be very interested in doing in the future is is data analysis and looking at the data as a non suggested who gets stopped more in ann arbor what's the outcome of those stops but not

098just traffic stops but like are more african-americans arrested after a traffic stop than other people are more young people is it more in one part of town i'm by training i'm a sociologist and we do look at that you know and if the data doesn't have all the information you need then it's a guesswork yeah and we could ask them to collect better data right we could say hey i mean i i think asking people to self-identifies is is a is a big thing and maybe that's too much of an ask maybe maybe yeah but the police but to say hey we've got to check a box which one would you like us to check i would feel if the police stopped me here and i was stopped on time for driving and and i

099was let go but if they ask me what's your ethnicity where you come from i say what this has to do with it this has to do with it either i'm violating or not you know so it's it's it's but you're not going to be that helpful and on this is not helpful your attitude is not helpful um and i'd say anon i've been stopped way too many times for speeding in ann arbor many times going five over by the way and i've never gotten a warning i've gotten a ticket every single time but that's just anecdotal data so who knows uh council member alum you got a question i was just gonna say i i think most people would find that question it puts the police officer in an impossible position uh because they're

100asking a question that will not be received well okay you just illustrated that and on and yeah who here would yeah how would you any of us react to that question um and so i can see why the police don't want to ask that question and you know clearly there are other ways to capture that information through that the body cam whatever you know um if there's a body cam every time the police interact with people and then there is they have it on that just means we have to make the guess right that just means we're guessing right right but uh anyway but and and thank you francis and anyone else involved with us you've obviously done a lot of work on uh the data collection analysis uh establishing you know this process standard

101procedures for that and and the complaint review process and uh and it'll be wonderful because then others won't have to reinvent this wheel and uh and then as people come and go whether it's staff commissioners uh you've got a a good system in place and i also like your recommendations for putting making it more making the review of the complaints that come directly to if clock more transparent and and providing some of that information than on the the website link so that that's good work thank you um so anything else on that um topic francis no i i think that's everything like i said hopefully we'll get um about i think we have three or of three right off the top my head that i'd like to get finalized by our next meeting um i

102do need to sit down with um denise and go over some stuff but if we can get those finalized um i think it would be great for us to be able to share them all together um thank you so much for that i know um and and i've got a question into one of our complaints too and that should help clear up at least one of those things i wanted to share a message from one of our community partners too if i could let's see if this is going to work this way maybe not oh yeah okay so the interfaith council for peace and justice this is just an informational piece um is looking for people to help out on election day this is a non-political message by the way and what they are looking

103for specifically are people to help keep folks in line they're looking for people to keep up the positive energy while people are standing in long lines they're looking for people who are willing to uh sing or bring therapy dogs or um de-escalate potentially volatile situations without having to resort to calling the police that's a big um thing there are lots of groups that are worried about the taxing of police on election day um and so the interfaith council for peace and justice um would like you to visit their facebook page or their website if you are interested in helping out in any capacity there are virtual jobs to do as well as um on the ground kind of jobs to do um and so they are very interested in any assistance they can get um

104they will have a phone bank i believe um for people to call if they experience problems or if they see things beginning to escalate and they like to be able to get people to those situations they'd also have to like to have people on the ground um you you may have seen on the news um some jurisdictions have had marching bands um jazz bands um entertaining people as they stand in line some for too long we have no idea how that's gonna look in ann arbor in washington county because there's been lots of voting um in advance but but but they are looking for assistance on election day so obviously socially distanced and with masks but if you are interested please visit their website um we might be in the very surprising position of finishing

105a little bit early but before we do um jane this is your last meeting with us okay so ah you're muted so i i wanted to say um um so jane as you transition um back to civilian life we want to thank you for your participation in this commission um it was we struggled in the beginning we struggled to to find our footing to find a flow we had so much to learn um [Music] we did not always agree on everything but that was actually really good for us i feel like we learned a lot you were very very helpful with us with the like process issues like getting the budget done and learning how to do a budget and thinking about participating in legislative action and kind of you know like sometimes haranguing us

106you know make sure you do this and and that and the other but it has been an invaluable process for us to learn how to navigate being a commission when we were very new and for us that challenge was a little bit different because we're an independent commission and our job is so different so public and so fraught with um controversy it seems sometimes i don't think it should be that controversial but it certainly seems that way sometimes and you really helped us i think navigate some things that were difficult for us sometimes behind the scenes sometimes up front um and i just wanted to express um and everybody else can if they would like as well just from all of us how much we really appreciate um the ways in which you have been

107so helpful to us and the things that we have learned from your participation that we wouldn't have learned otherwise so thank you thank you i want to second that thank you thank you and good luck thank you i think this was one of the items i have today is to acknowledge the many years of service of councilwoman lum for the residents of ann arbor uh you have been very truthful to your ideas and to to helping out and in particular helping us uh to start um it has been uh a you know baby uh steps but uh with with the uh wisdom and experience and and your input really that gives us great deal of uh momentum to move forward to really serving this community let me just say okay you've choked me up i

108have a hard time people are nice to me so i'm very touched by your kind words i mean the thought that i could have helped you at all means a great deal to me uh because i trust me when i say i've learned so very much from all of you you know whether we're sitting next to you at meetings uh i mean i i truly have learned from all of you um in such in so many important ways and i've really enjoyed getting to know you and working with each and every one of you um you're all such a thoughtful smart hard-working group uh of citizen advocates and representatives uh and your dedication and commitment to the mission of the police oversight commission is is is remarkable and impressive and so again thank you for

109allowing me to be a part of this and um and i so for your commitment and service uh i thank you all and i'd also like to thank um ms james uh city attorney slay george and certainly uh chief cox uh how how blessed we are to have you uh lead us through lead our community you are you know such a highly principled gentleman and professional and i know your guidance uh on on all these matters will uh lead us to a good place and so i thank you all for your professional expertise your um your kindness your thoughtfulness your hard work and uh and and for allowing me to get to know you and work with you in this way and uh and please and i know you will keep up the great work

110and i look forward to checking in and hearing um your fearless leader dr jackson's updates uh all your good work you are impressive i mean you you when i said that you hit home runs at these council meetings you do uh and use that analogy so thank you all so very much and uh for educating me and uh and uh allowing me to be a play a small part in all of your great work so thank you and i will miss you thanks thank you thank you thank you so much ali unfortunately you're stuck with us and if i could just say anything nice about you today i just want to just uh you know echo the sentiments that have been made by many commissioners uh this isn't my my final goodbye so save that

111for for next thursday um but i think everyone here is aware that you know myself and councilmember along with councilmember grand and ackerman at the time uh helped shape and pick um the initial body that was sat and it was important to have someone like council member long in that process it was no doubt key having veteran leadership principled we don't form new commissions very often and especially not one that has the significance that this one does so uh it was not a coincidence that the council member alone was picked to help shepherd and lead that process and uh and obviously had a big input on who was initially set and continues to be uh and in the subsequent commissioners as well not just the initial 11 so uh should be dearly missed for many

112reasons you state and her her absence is going to be felt far and wide when it comes to how our city manages itself and how it's how effective it is so you know those are big shoes to fill so thank you for your service thank you i feel like on that note um is there a motion to adjourn well i think i have one more thing before we adjourn my apologies just to follow up on what uh commissioner ambry was was talking about is we have a study group with the human [Music] rights commission to look into the cruel report and one of the recommendations that we had from our initial meeting this last friday is to include the report as either on our website or a link so the public would access the report

113if they did not see it and we'll be updating you on our future meetings and where we stand on this uh um criminal uh the the uh race for justice in washington county will be updating on that but the recommendation was the human rights commission as well as ekbark would have the report on their website or links to that yeah um that is a consideration um and so that's definitely something we can talk about because i know lots of people are interested in it so anything else before we i'll make a motion [Laughter] for a second hi everybody we are adjourned thank you you