001um meeting to order with appropriate notice has been 5:30, excuse me, 5:30 appropriate notice has been given. If you would all please stand and remove your hats for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Thank you. I need an approval of the agenda, please. >> I make a motion we approve the agenda. >> Second. >> I have an motion from Scott, second from Jason. Any discussion? Barring none, all in favor? Unanimous. Thank you. We're here to speak about a facilities work session and we are here with Josh Sbert from Modus Studio Incorporated doing our presentation. >> Thank you. >> Welcome Josh. >> Appreciate you having me
002back. Um, tonight I want to give you kind of a few minute overview of what we kind of re talked about previously in case anybody had missed that. And then we'll kind of dive a little bit deeper into some options that came out of that first work session and just kind of talk about the pros and cons of those options. And then we'll kind of go down the road of, you know, weighing out what we like about them and really looking for me the feedback I'm looking for tonight is kind of mulling it down to one option so that we can start to say, "All right, let's let's work towards that option and figure out a layout in particular, more of a plan layout that I would come back in the third session and show
003you how it starts to fit." So tonight, real quickly, I know you've seen, most of you have seen some of this, but in case somebody was absent or hadn't, I want to just kind of real quickly show this a little bit. Of course, this is our campus from an aerial perspective. We've seen this before, you know it very well. Of course, you can kind of even see uh previously when we drone this uh when this project was under construction. So, I just tried to take uh a time capsule view of what it had looked like in the past. Um we had dove a little bit deeper at that point um and talked about the history of the campus. These are six uh snapshots of when different growth has happened on campus and roughly their time
004frames based on the records that we could find of when those additions uh were added to the campus. Um and so you know in any kind of master plan effort we try to think long term and start to ask ourselves why and when and how and what's next. So, this uh starts to show that. Of course, this is the uh current configuration of the campus. Um last time we started talking about real loosely at a 10,000 foot view of where potentially buildings could go roughly, where would things be impacted and what do we do with those things? Um these were just options of kind of roughly what we were starting to think about um from a standpoint of what are the pros and cons. If you remember during the working session uh we dove a
005little bit deeper into what's currently in those facilities. One we call the big top or the fine arts admin, the performance gym and what are those criterias that are currently in there. uh what's currently in the library uh library and media center, excuse me, uh what's currently in the fine arts and admin. So those things we just kind of um solidified what we knew and then we started asking questions about what happens if you put a building in front or created kind of opening to the campus in some way. These were terms if you recall that came about from years ago a few years ago when we sat down uh with the staff and faculty and asked what did you want in a facility. These are the things that were both uh the teachers and
006somewhat I think a little bit of student feedback as far as uh priority terminology that came up. Uh what does that mean? Well, natural light, outdoor connections, outdoor seating, conference room, uh common areas. So these terms were things that we were thinking about as we start to lay out uh the campus. We try to think about that. These are priorities of people that have vocalized and said if we had a new building we should be thinking about this that or the other. So I bring that back. This uh is the diagrams if you recall that we were live sketching uh over uh last time we met. These were kind of trying to solidify the the board's like just overall our conversations. And so I try to capture those and put them in a document where
007we had roughly uh four to five options that kind of were coming out organically through that conversation. You know, where's the new front, what's renovated, what's not. Um and so I won't dive too deep in this because the next exhibits kind of show that a culmination of it. So, and then this was the finalized uh option D and some variants of that of course and the these were just during that last meeting of course. So, that brings me to tonight and so we have uh four options or schemes options we call them whatever works best options of program. What we tried to do from last time to now is dive a little bit deeper in what you might need in your facility. um the the items on the right of the page start to show
008that um in this option um we chose just to look at what happens if a new building was to be kind of in the front of the of the campus. Um this building that is represented here is a twostory building. So I want to preference that you see a little bit of a bubble diagram laid out but this represents two floors. Um, so to kind of go around the plan to help understand this option, um, the purple boxes represent the 30 classrooms that we will need in this new facility. When the existing big top, if you will, gets taken down, we will have 30 classrooms that we will need to replace. Um, that starts to lay out in some way like this. Um, we will have to replace the, uh, cafeteria. As you know, the
009cafeteria is represented in this darker blue mass. The reason I had laid it out in this capacity was thinking about loading and unloading of that cafeteria. One of the fundamental challenges of any cafeteria is we have big trucks uh that will will have to pull up a bread truck, a milk truck, uh deliveries in general. Um, and so I located it more onto a side, if you will, so that we could still maintain as much parking as possible and then plug into that. At the same time, that cafeteria would be open to somewhat of a little bit of a green space to let natural light in. Uh, that natural light would be then demonstrated to the classrooms as well. Um the actual layout would be something like perhaps admin would be the first point of
010entry of course. So thinking security this option kind of consolidates your buildings on campus. It also locates what we have called a practice gymnasium that is currently under the existing big top. And I want to say that because we know that underneath that we have a facility that works for a lot of your different programs. And if we get rid of that, we've got to find a way that those students have that place. We thought it might make sense to locate them closer to the gym because again, a lot of that program kind of goes back and forth, right? Students are practicing, then they're going into the gym, whether it's volleyball, ROC, some of these different areas that are shared, kind of swing space, if you will. What I also did was in this green
011portion we talked about beforehand, potentially renovating that to some level. There's some restructuring that can happen in that building. That's where your current admin is going on. We know there's some classrooms there, but those things would have to move over to the new and we would renovate to help make room for some of this square footage coming out of the circus tent. So, with that said, this layout just starts to demonstrate maybe a new way of coming to campus. U there's some pros and cons. Pros being that it could maintain the current approach to the campus. You still come from the main street. uh you'd still have a front of the campus. It moves the admin to the first thing and point of contact. So again, we always think about what's our front door. You
012know, how do we welcome the public? How do we welcome students? Um it gives us easy access to the performance gym. So that gym in the future uh could be another front door, if you will. So, we'll have to imagine how it feels to get rid of the old building and what happens to this new front because I think there's some possibility there. Um, and then it does give us a little bit of an easier loading dock access. So, keeping that onto the perimeter of this one. Um, and the activity gym near the performance. So, we know that that's going to be important. Some cons, it it would have to relocate kind of the traditional bomber plane. Uh there's a loss of parking that happens with this option. There's some tight clearances between the existing
013buildings because we're going to have to work within that. You'll also notice one of the things that came out last time was a connection. So this little white bar, if you you follow my cursor, this white bar connects it. So that was something that hey, what happens if we have the performing arts center in the gymnasium? You know, how do we let a building kind of be that connector to keep the students inside? that that could be a a pro at the same time. It does have some tight connections by by making that work. And then it does have a little extra square footage based on that kind of circulation. So those are some kind of pros and cons of this option. May not be the one that we land on. It just happens to
014be one that we explored last time. Um and then this is just a three-dimensional massing so that everybody kind of understands the size of this facility. Um, this looks like about 25,000 square foot of renovation potential and about 84,000 square foot of new construction. Depending on the practice facility, it could go up to about 95,000 square foot. And the reason I bring all that up is just that we've got a lot to put back. If we're going to take down I will kind of reemphasize this building is roughly 85,000 square foot. the the program that is within that building is all one level. It's not a two-story stack. So, it looks bigger in mass. When we consolidate down and go up, that's what this starts to do. But, I don't I'm not afraid of doing
015a vertical building, a two-story building. That is very common uh to look at. Your campus has a lot of buildings that have verticality. Um so, I'm I don't feel like that's anything that we should worry about u from a constructibility standpoint. I think it becomes something that we're trying to be cautious about not blowing up too much of our space, taking up too much parking space. U we know we need to preserve some of the parking. You've obviously paid for that in in your past. Uh but we also want to be careful about how much we displace in the future with this option. The the building comes down and you gain parking ability. you you gain potentially more access to the north side of that. Uh scheme number two or option two is a split
016option. Uh I bring this one to the table only because this is an option that I think uh preserves the core of your campus. This is an option that in some ways could limit how much construction is going on. Uh we might find ourselves uh that we like some of this, we may not like all of it. What I have done is split academic space and the cafeteria in the practice facility into two compartments. Reason doing that is just purely about adjacencies to existing facilities. So again thinking the cafeteria might be over here. Uh there could be some loading and unloading. There could be the practice gym and courts that supply and service the main performance gym uh adjacent to it. So again, keeping kind of your athletics uh consolidated and then going vertical with
017your academics. Some pros and cons of this one is uh definitely one of the things that I think are nervewracking is that you have to get rid of a lot of your current facility. You have to demo that to build up, right? So, that's going to have an impact from a long-term how do we keep the school going where in the core of campus it starts to get a little uh you know we're going to have be heavy into construction. It does maintain the current boulevard and the and the bomber plane which in some ways could be sacred sometimes they could not be. Um it allows for that easy uh loading dock. Um it does give the cafeteria near the student activities. So if you think about events or spaces that you need after hours,
018you're able to kind of tap into the idea that the cafeteria or the public space is kind of at an edge of the campus. Um it does give you a new front face to the campus between this building and this building. Whereas if we just renovate the existing maybe that that is limited on how much we renovate. Um the admin uh would you know feels like it kind of wants to be at the front. So, you do feel like you let your visitors in the campus a little bit before they go into that threshold. So, that could be uh something that we could debate whether that's a pro or con. Um there is some parking loss near the stadium of this option. Um I I have concerns about that because I know how much, you
019know, parking is valuable when you have events and especially if you're sharing that parking between football and basketball in certain times of the year. Um those things can be uh problematic. Um, and then tight building clearances near the existing buildings. I would say that there are times that this is challenging because this building has to remain going while we build this as well as this. So, you're going to have student activity finding ways of going around that construction. So, there's some challenges of this option. Um, again, threedimensionally just starting to see the size of this. Of course, um what it does allow us to do from constructibility standpoint is you could build this uh at you know whether you phase it or you build this in a way that this can be under construction and
020not interrupt and then you move on to to do the academic space. Concept three was one that I think we challenged ourselves to look at and said, you know, what happens if we lightly renovate some of our existing. We know that that might want to be part of the the scope, but what happens if we have what we call a green field site? U you know, what if we use the fields that we have? What if we use that site in a way? There's some things that I really love about this option. um because it gives you flexibility for long-term growth. Both these next two options uh start to give you that that freedom of saying okay if we ever you know restructure our our grade levels in the future or we grow at a
021point you know what do we do when we grow this option kind of allows for that flexibility. What you'll notice here is this does still have your 30 classrooms with the four labs. Um whoops, your special education, your cafeteria stays to one side. There's been an option that I think that this road could could be manipulated or changed. This was an option that I think uh Jason you had brought up that it's like, hey, we've been talking over time what happens if we punch through that? How do we allow flexibility there? I think you could put the practice facility close to the other gym and at the same time the cafeteria over to an edge. So again, you're pulling from your students uh being able to go to that cafeteria. I would say walkability is
022going to be important. If you have students coming from the um gymnasium or performing arts center, they only have so much time. That location of where that cafeteria will grow will be important to to investigate. We want typically your cafeteria stay centralized to campus for those reasons. We know that students only have so many minutes between classes and so this one does uh lend itself to having some separation from the rest of campus. But the pros were a green field site. It can be built if you will uh as campus is unchanged and then you schedule your renovation at a time where this is up and running. Uh there's no loss of parking. So there's a pro there. Um the cafeteria could be uh based on how we lay it out uh could be a
023pro that it it is going on so that you don't interrupt your existing um activity gym again close to other programs. Uh the main uh circulation corridor and the the bomber plane stays intact. Um and then uh some some cons obviously is we would displace our field. So we'd have to look at where are we going to go there. Uh, a con would be that we just sprawl our campus out a little bit. I'm not as worried about that because I know so much of your ninth grade is currently working their way down. They have programs within the high school that they have to use. So, in some ways, this might, you know, uh, negate some of the concerns about students moving so much back and forth because you're actually bringing academic space closer to
024some of those areas of growth. Um, and then you know, some would say, well, is it does it feel separated from campus? You're actually making probably more of a campus. It does feel separated from the core, but it actually kind of changes that nucleus to a different area. So, there's something there that could could work. Um, and you'll also see it kind of in some form kind of a bubble diagram where those programs can go. I would say this one gives you an opportunity to really think about what the new face of campus is. I think last time we asked, you know, is this really the front of campus now? Is it coming from the north? You know, what does the front of this building look like? There's areas here that all of that can
025kind of change. And then lastly, uh the the fourth one I just bring to you is is a bit of a hybrid. Uh this one uh is where you know we think about the campus in a way. This mimics some of the things that we looked at and explored in detail the last time we've met. Um there's things about this one that kind of can work from a core move. Uh at the same time it does limit us in ways of like we're having to build we would it would challenge the notion whether the library is sacred or not. That's something I think the board would want to weigh in and say, "Hey, that library that we did 15 to 18 years ago, you know, we want to leave it intact or not." This option
026is a stacked option. Uh it stays two stories. Um but it allows us to kind of grow and and and head kind of to the west, if you will, towards the the the other areas of that green field site. There's some things about it that the only reason I kind of bring this is because it gives you a new face in the heart of campus. It maintains the boulevard like we said before. Um admin stays kind of near the front of the the campus. It minimizes parking. Some real tight ones is it kind of shuts down uh a lot of things uh in between. obviously to demo what we have here and start a construction site. We're going to want to maintain about 20 feet from each of that. >> Now, it's not uncommon to
027build on a campus during uh a year or two. It's a disruption over the course of those two years. But when you think long term, sometimes this option could find itself back into the equation because if you think beyond the constructibility of it, it actually could be a new front and it maintains kind of your overall campus structure. Mind you that whether it's from the east or from the north, both of these facads um could be a front door. You know, I I don't negate the fact that that gives us this ability. What I had also done is there could be a way to stage this where the practice facility that's under the circus tent right now when they demo that building we could demo around it. We open it up. We don't know exactly
028I mean that building has been kind of capsulated in time. Uh, so you know, you're going to open that up and you're going to see an old roof and HVAC units, but you might be able to maintain that during construction until we put a new practice facility in this location. Why that's important is that practice facility for those programs, volleyball, uh, you know, the junior high practice, all the things that you do, PE, we know we can't go away from that. There's so many that are using it. it makes the most sense that it would be adjacent to your performance uh gym. We just got to figure out timing that would work. What this option also does is give you uh potential future uh expansion in a way to the west. And then we talked
029earlier on, if I remember right, um we dove a little bit deeper in our last session whether we want to connect these. So, some of this program could be shifted over and connect, but I I left it kind of grayed out as when do we want to move that or how do we want to move that because we want we might want to say, hey, we're going to maintain this road as we currently have it. We we also know that there's about 13 to 15 feet of grade change between this portion of campus and the west. And so as you go west, it might only find that we're one story in these levels over here and twostory in some of this. So there's some things that allow that to kind of work. We don't have
030to step as much. So I bring some of these pros and cons just kind of to the table for those reasons and you can kind of see what it meant to kind of chop out the core of the campus. So for me tonight um you know where we're headed is we're going to try to land on one of these options and we will then spend a lot more time into a schematic design of what does that look like? What are the actual layout? Um while I've kind of flirted with that in this option we're kind of showing some corridors. Uh we're maintaining 10ft corridors. So when you see this little white gap that's what that is. These classroom spaces are calibrated at their 850 to 900 square foot capacity. The labs are 1,200 to,500 depending
031on what program it is. What you're noticing here is a cafeteria uh in each of these options that are roughly 12,000 square foot. This is this gives us the ability to do what we need to. Um and then you'll notice the little darker one is the kitchen. So where those are and then the practice facility is is purely uh a one for one ratio. That practice facility is the same size as what we currently have. So in all of these options, what we've done is tried to pull teachers and staff a little bit. U thanks to Miss Dwey, Mr. Knight, and uh Mary Beth, we're able to kind of get a little bit of like what what do they need? How is it how are they going to be successful? What uh what is necessity?
032you know, um, and we've tried to put that program in here so that it's a clean picture of size and scale. Um, and you know, for what it's worth, we want to just get it right. And I think you want to get it right. Um, so I'm going to kind of open it up to the floor as a working session and we can go back to any one of these and kind of dive deeper into them, but I wanted to bring them in front of you. U, I personally don't have a preference yet. I mean, I'm convinced that we can design a facility that's going to work great for you, whatever option we go. I think it's a really challenge is what do we want to do long term? What do we want our campus
033to look like? How do we want it to function? Because what we have now will change drastically without that bigger building. Uh it's going to it's going to give us a lot of flexibility. What that future is for the north could change a lot. It could be at the moment a parking lot. It could be where your future growth potential is. There's things about each one of these that are pros and cons that I think open it up for uh for that discussion. >> Any big questions or thoughts? >> Ski one, the first one you showed. >> Yes, sir. >> That circle parking lot in the front that you know you pull up. >> Yes, sir. >> At that point, now we have a rough time parking. Then we would have to probably actually add
034an extra lane on Bomber Boulevard to get to that when we have >> events and everything. >> So we'd have to start at the end of our property going east coming west and add another lane in that right right lane >> to do that in order for it to to function properly >> does bottleneck a lot of things. You're absolutely right. That is probably the most secure way of doing this as far as blame for security reasons looking at it. But >> when you >> I really think it's probably the most the least disruptive, >> right? uh during the construction, [Music] >> you know, when when we start going right down the middle basically of campus and we've got half our students on one side of campus and half our students on the other side
035of campus, that's a problem. >> It's a real problem. >> If you look at four, the second the last slide, >> this no go one more. Yeah, >> to me that's really secure as well. That's one of the things I noticed. >> But it does not It definitely >> Yeah, that's >> Yeah, >> but man, it's tight with the cafeteria right in the middle, too. >> Aren't we Isn't that just replanning what was planned before? Is Isn't the previous plan very similar to this? >> It's very similar. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Twotory versus three. But yeah, you're right. I mean that's >> no >> I wasn't involved in the planning on that but it's very similar that's where the new campus was going to go to down the library that place it right there >>
036monetarily wise what would be the best option >> um I I think >> good question >> that's a really good question and and it's a harder one for me to answer by myself I think once uh our contractor is involved a little bit more it will help us understand staging and constructability needs I I will say most contractors will want to have as ease of a approach as possible. They're going to look at is where's my lay down? >> Where where are my trucks going before hours? What what does it feel like at 2 a.m. 1 to four concrete? And so there's some things there that when you do in the heart of campus, it it is tough uh for obvious reasons, but sometimes that toughness only buys a few months of toughness. Uh maybe
037that staged in a way that some of that pouring and dirt work is done during summer months. Obviously, the demo would be done. There's things that can be worked around. Now, at the same time, what I have found at a facility of this size, you're going to have 100 to 200 workers, >> right, >> during the course of construction. >> So, there's a lot of coming and going. And I I think I I say all that because I I warn us all because you, as you brought up, I think is a good point. We're going to have students, we're going to have people building the we have faculty. We're going to have events. So, there's things that will have to be very carefully choreographed in the in the way we do construction. And so, when
038it comes down to it, that weighs into time. Uh that's monetarily. It weighs into constructibility of how selective I can be to demo versus how aggressive I can be to demo. Um I will say you know I look at campuses like uh ulf or US you know those are campuses that are built and rebuilt over time on themselves. So obviously can be done and I have full confidence in uh our contractor to be able to do all those things but I can't really put a number to it at this time. It's kind of harder for me to do that >> on three. >> Can you tighten it up any? >> I can. Yeah, absolutely. I I think concept three, yes, we can we can pull that closer to the road. Right now, it's just kind
039of a a threedimensional bubble diagram and saying this is the block of space. What that configuration is is if we deem tonight like this scheme 3 site is where we want to go. I'm probably coming back to the next board session with three options within that site that allows you to understand what's our growth potential. Where's the right place to put that cafeteria in that practice uh facility? Where's the academic space going to be? And so this is just one configuration that just kind of stacks admin academic space just so you know where those are. But if that site is what is the most desired by the board, I would I would kind of come back with option to fit it. Can you flip the cafeteria to the other side to make it more >>
040That's right. >> feasible for the kids. That would be >> absolutely. >> Could you do that? >> It's all rock everywhere. >> Could you do something like that? Just asking >> and then wait to do your practice gym until you >> you could >> demoed and then your practice gym is right up. >> That's right. >> And then as far as a safety point, how tight That's what I'm >> That's where I'm thinking now. We want to tighten up. We want fewer entrances. We want >> Yeah. >> You know, that's >> to make it >> how can you tighten it up? >> So, after our last session, I took the liberty to >> visit with the teachers that were here >> um just to get their perspective because they were really here up and close.
041And they said, "The main thing we want, the main thing we want is a smaller campus." >> Because they felt like that tightened up. They wanted less outside doors. >> I mean, this seems so easy and I love the thought that you can grow, but it does not shrink the footprint, >> which it was is funny. How do you shrink the footprint, but yet grow the space? But >> that's kind of what you've addressed. >> I just don't want to lose that focus that the the one of the main points of all this is for that security piece of view entrances. that >> I look at that and it's the same thing. It stretches us out. Hey, you remove the big top space and then you look at what the campus is going to look
042like and it's just >> it's kind of hodge podge all over the place to long walk from parking, student parking over to classes. >> Um the admin, the principles are separated from the main classrooms uh by a space that green space, right? That was Yes, sir. >> Principal space. I mean, I understand that Westside, hey, that's easy. We can construct it. Doesn't get in the way. It's it's ready to build, but I see a lot of problems with that. So, for me, I was in my brain, I'm scratching out scheme number three. Um, it separates the cafeteria even if you switch it, you know, even further from now. Not saying we need to make plans on it, but hey, we do the veterans the meal in the cafeteria and walk to the walk to the
043field, but that's a long walk, right? So if there's ever any event where you start in the cafeteria and then move over to the field like >> there there's a lot of separation there. >> Um now on scheme two you still have that gap between the buildings >> correct >> there it's not connected at all. So they still have to go outside to get from point A to point B. >> I would say that we could close those gaps. I mean, for what it's worth, if we felt like, >> you know, the end of the cafeteria needed to connect to the gym, those are definitely doable moments. >> That would never connect to anything else. >> Pardon? >> Once the big top's gone, it doesn't connect to anything. >> That's right. >> This is just
044outside, right? >> While scheme 2 could work, right, I don't like tearing down the the fine art spaces if that space can be renovated. >> Um, and once again, it separates the cafeteria from the main So for me, everything here is pointing towards scheme number one. >> Can you, >> you know, currently as you drive down Bomber Boulevard, you don't really even see the front of a high school. There is no front. What you see is the loading dock of Dunbar is really kind of the front of the high school. Scheme one actually gives an appealing or can give an appealing front to the school. Hey, there's the front of the school. The cafeteria looks out towards Bomber Stadium. Doesn't have direct sunlight coming in windows heating the place up because it's facing to the
045north. I see a lot of pros to that. >> You're not losing a lot of parking either. >> You're not losing a lot of parking. You regain parking in the big top uh when it's gone potentially. >> You add that other road if possible. That would really work. >> It's I see a lot more benefits to that than >> provide a this look with the big top gone. That's very it's it's kind of plays with you because you think you're looking at the overall thing and that's going to be right >> not there. Yeah. >> Yeah. I think as we move forward if if this is the desired option you know again to your point earlier um this right now this little block of blue space is the practice facility that could find itself over
046here. That could change um that space you know how we think about that space. in this exhibit. I showed it here, but I think to Miss Dwiey's point, um, you know, that that can change and manipulate. It can it can allow that connection and that can be uh celebrated space in between a light renovation to the fine arts. There's something about this one that is nice. I think um Dan, to your point, you know, there might be challenges on the parking piece, but again, maybe that is a a very only >> Well, it's not really a parking piece. It's a driving >> Exactly. drop off >> the drop off and pick up piece, right? >> I mean, you just have to re >> you just have to re configure it a little bit. >> That's
047right. >> I mean, it's not a lot. It's a bit of work, but it's not a ton of work to do. >> Correct. >> Two two things on this one that I want to bring up just from my experience. >> The cafeteria. Can you show where that is? >> Yeah. >> I know, Miss Partney, you worked at Kingston. >> Do you remember walking in from recess with the outside with the cafeteria right there? It can get pretty nasty pretty quick. Trash, etc., >> grease, traps, etc. We were putting this plan puts that right there. >> And I I do have a little and I don't know if you can switch that to somewhere. That's just some personal experience from schools. >> Um, and I know Miss Partney, you may remember coming in from recess and
048you have to hold your nose. I mean, >> you think the high school will be the same? I guess still will be. >> Where do you put your dumpsters in your dump? >> You can't It's your dumpsters in your grease. >> there's nothing to else to do. I mean, unless they're doing something new now. I mean, >> I think it's just trash. I mean, and you can't That's just part of it. >> Plus, you have to be accessible to the trash people. >> Yes. You have to have a an a ramp. You have to have a loading dock. I know. That's just a something to think about. >> So reality that parking kind of by the concession stand between that cafeteria and the concession is going to be not really student parking. It's going to
049be a loading ramp dumpsters. It's going to be that stuff there >> because I I imagine they would come in, they pull forward, and then they back up and drop off. >> Um and to your point, you know, wherever those trash are, you know, we got to think about prevailing winds. You know, you don't want that experience to >> because that's where your gym entrance. >> That's where your gym entrance is. And even though like there might be a way to think about this or separate some of that entrance um you know that that becomes a big focal point you know what do we do with that entrance at that point you know are we really going to let all the you know during a ball game do we switch I think you brought this
050up last time you know what does that feel like is this the new entry to the gym you know once this goes away you know how do you reconfigure this where you know maybe this isn't the the front door this becomes the front So, there's some there's some things there that >> could could be swapped around >> because you'll have more parking in the back and I think that would entail maybe a new entrance more popular. >> It's going to become the front. >> Mhm. >> Because you would be you would walk in this way to the gym instead of parking here. >> Yeah. >> Um any concerns as far as the Chris, do you have thinking about this one? The property itself? >> I think the two things like two and I think that
051contractor would mention this too. >> You're going to lose that entire student parking for the stage area >> unless it staged over in that grass area >> over here. >> They're not going to stage it there then drug all the way around the other side. >> Yeah, they're going to need it. I mean, you're going to be moving steel and block so you're going to want to close. That was going to be my question is where do you anticipate the staging because that's going to be a huge amount of material. >> So you're going to lose all of that student parking. You're probably going to have to move from the back practice field. And I am not so sure and it's just if you guys think it's sacred or not sacred, I think it's going
052to cost you as much money or more to remodel and to tear that green part down. >> What's the >> Josh? Do you have any? I mean, I I don't have a clue. >> What I find, you know, when I look at the fine arts building, obviously we have walls, windows, and a slab, but we know we have roof issues that will need to be addressed. Um, we're we're going to have to change some configuration. So, the wall partitions and things like that, um, electrical gets upgraded. You know, that facility would need at that point be brought to code because of its square footage. So, we'd have to put fire suppression in it. So, I would argue that you're going to find that it's probably just the same cost as new construction. Uh, which could
053can hurt us. Obviously, you'd like to think there's some value there, but again, we're working with a building that's quite a bit older. So, once you bring it up to code, there's going to be things that are not easy. And renovation is, even though you're not um it's not new construction, they have to go through walls. They've got to chase things that are set in stone that they they weren't used to. And I find that renovation's just as expensive and sometimes more expensive. There's abatement that is needed for any kind of asbestous in the tile or things that we just don't know. Um we haven't done a phase one or a deep dive on that building just because it up to this point we didn't know if we're going to keep it or not. So
054I would love to walk it with a contractor and dive a little deeper on the cost model on that. Um, but it's something to be considering. You know, how how much renovation are we going to be doing to it? >> And remember when Alisa was here, we had the formula that she had for the state. >> That's right. >> How many years of life? >> Mhm. >> That one doesn't have very many any more years before they deem it >> dead. You know, in the negative, that one's getting close. So, don't spend that much money. And then how many years before they say >> something to think about building still building each day? >> Um 600 at least. >> At least. >> Is that Miss Russell? >> Yes. >> Is that a pretty good guess?
055That's guessing. >> That's just guessing. >> So basically the original >> I don't know. That's >> we just >> I think I talked last time if it made sense, right? Removing the fine art space and building if it allows us to build more compactly almost in scheme two, you know, I could live with that. Um I tend to think of the library as as sacred at least right now. That's kind of my assumption. There's no way in your opinion to build around the library, say in scheme four where hey, you tear that library down, you turn right around and build library space in the northeast corner right there. There's no way to build around that library and utilize that space. >> I think probably the challenge with our library is there's so much grade change.
056We got a lot of water coming in. You got in and out of that building. Um there's some things that are kind of hurting us because of the elevational change. If you if you scrape it away, you get rid of it and you know you're able to manipulate the ground plane, there's a little bit easier ways of of uh construction around it. Um the hard part is is that I'll use this exhibit is there's just so much kind of coming in and around it. It's a tight site and because Whoops. because of its uh current >> Sorry. uh because of its current size, it it just kind of is this awkward size, you know? It's kind of in the middle. It's a It's a It's not too big. It's not It's It's probably a little
057small for other academic uses. And so, what I'm probably most concerned about is when you start to do that, you know, how do you add on? You can't add on to the north. You add on to the west or you manipulate that. There's a lot of ups and downs. And I think our contractor might say, you know, that's going to be limiting because if there's 15 foot of change in this case, you know, how do I kind of tie it together? What do I do about vertical circulation? So, there's just there's some challenges with it. Uh we faced this uh early on in the last campaign u and found ourselves kind of like, man, it's just kind of right smack dab where we wish it wasn't. it's there, but um you know to build around
058it, it kind of presents this problem that we currently have with the with the current um buildings. And so um I wish that it had uh I I either wish it was a little bit bigger. I wish it was oriented a little bit differently. It's kind of in that awkward moment of of space. Um so yeah. >> So if you go to four option four that and I know I mean the second thing after let's reduce the footprint of the construction was the library and the library is special new spaces will become special as well. >> This does allow for growth even if some point down the road you end up in that practice field >> that makes an easy connection piece. It does keep your front. And I love on the next slide where
059you can still come out the front and make a singular entrance, which honest to goodness, I hear that all the time. I think we've really got to pay attention to a single entrance. >> From the last campaign, one of the problems was um some of the materials that were going to be used. It was the glass wall. It was everything was luxurious and we all love luxury but we also love to pay our bills. Since this is so similar to that campaign, is there a way to bring the cost down using pretty but not over-the-top luxurious materials? >> Yeah, I think last time we had both storefront and masonry. We tried to mix and match a lot of the masonry color that's on campus. uh it did have glass going into those public areas. Um
060in this case, I think it's been expressed to not go three levels. Um in doing so, uh it would allow us to push out this way. So, you're going to bring cost down in that instead of going three levels, you're going to go two. I would also say that there's some moments here that that practice facility, you know, bringing back that conversation earlier that that could be negotiated a little bit differently and where does that go? Um, I think you're going to find that. I also say the constructibility from mass timber beforehand to in this case maybe CMU or steel construction uh would would change that. I I find that I've got a project going on right now and the mass timber moves the needle a little bit. It doesn't move it a lot, but
061I would say this would be cheaper because we'd only be going two levels. We have less stops for our elevators, less vertical circulation. Those things have value and those things will bring the value down by not having them. Where we want to be careful is we just don't want to build more square footage than we need. We got to figure out if this location is the way we want to connect. I would probably move some of these classrooms, find ways where that circulation is tighter. We're not going to have a big concourse, if you will. We we typically design most of our corridors about 10 foot. Um they used to be 12 foot with lockers. We don't really do lockers as much anymore. So we we try to compact where we need to. Um sometimes
062you do eight foot um in certain areas in secondary kind of corridors. So there's things that we can do to kind of continue to compact this down. >> Could you put your practice gym >> scoot it down into there >> and then you tie it in because it's a second face. >> That's right. >> So now it is tied in. >> That's right. So it would be one entrance because kids would not need to go outside to get to the gym. >> That's right. >> They would go through the new the >> newest practice facility. It's not the new gym. We call it the new gym and the old gym, but neither one's very new. >> So that it would be connected. >> Not right at first. It would take because we have to take
063you'd have to take that promise. If I had >> I mean is that >> would that work? >> Would that even work? >> Yeah, I think so. I think you could you could move that practice gym and let it be the thing that gives you that >> connects. >> Uhhuh. And holds it all together. It's kind of the the glue that bonds everything. >> You could especially because now this has changed so much. You can restructure some of the parking that is displaced here over here. You're gaining more parking in this option. Um because reality is you're not really taking up a whole lot of this parking. I mean, there's only a handful of parking spots displaced, but you're gaining a lot back. That gym slides down this location. It reorients. I mean, there's some
064real pros in this one if if this other stuff is not sacred. And I was reluctant to show this one because it implies that we're removing the library. >> There's some inefficiency of like we got got rid of a building to build that building in a new location. But I you know I understand Scott to your point like do you know like we've already bought that building once it's just kind of in an odd spot >> and that's the real problem with it isn't it? Mhm. >> I mean, that was our last millillage attempt that was successful, >> right? And so, it was part of that millillage and it's what was that 30-year millage >> and we're you said 18 years. I don't think it's been that long. >> We're only halfway. We're only half,
065you know, >> we're still paying on it. >> Yeah. If my car only lasted half of the mortgage, I wouldn't be very happy. >> Yeah. >> Chris. >> Yeah. So, I kind of have a question. So, this is going to be pushing out to the road. >> Chris talked about easements, pipes, things like that. >> Not an issue. That's ours. That's ours. Okay. >> Can you go back to slide one real quick >> or the steam one, >> sir? >> Okay. Can you just with your mouse point which part of the big top is completely going to be demoed? >> Uh, basically the whole Big Top to this line. >> To that line. >> Yes, sir. So, what if you took your cafeteria with all the garbage things and everything else >> and popped it
066right there? >> You can't feed the kids for while you're while you're um building >> building. And we don't have a kitchen big enough at this point to take care of high school along with everybody else. >> Yeah, it's a great idea. It's a fantastic idea. >> Awesome idea. If we could just yeah >> all that stuff there still have the extra parking >> expand parking right there. >> You don't have to find >> a bunch of food trucks. >> I could probably see if another school right up the road could handle the load temporarily. >> Mr. N. We've we talked about it today. >> It was a kindergarten. Yeah. I don't think so. High school. thousand kids. >> The cafeteria is one of the things that makes this so hard. >> I know building
067I know building next to buildings is a challenge, right? So looking at scheme two where you tear out the fine art section, you're building right next to the >> right next to two different buildings, right next to the library and the building just to the south. >> Um if you could build that, you know, we talked a little bit about using that courtyard space. >> That's right. Is there any possibility of combining say a scheme one but maybe putting the cafeteria kind of where the courtyard is so everything goes out the back of the backside you know I still think you can I mean scheme one it's a first look at it I think it can still get moved around so you solve that cafeteria and the dumpster loading >> being right outside the gym
068right the entrance of the gym >> Scott go up there show me where you're talking about the cafeteria you've got So, I'd asked a little bit about using this space here before. Hey, is this space usable at all? So, if we were saying, hey, let's look in this route. Let's dive down deeper. Is there a way to relocate that cafeteria maybe into this space >> um where you got loading dock, you got dumpsters on the back side. That's just that's the question I was just asking. >> Um, >> well, here here's another question. Could you build >> and remodel all of this stuff during a working school year? Keep the big top in the cafeteria open and then roll around in a summer. >> Knock that thing down and get the cafeteria done. >> 68
069days. I don't know. >> It'd be a crunch, but >> 100 days a lot. >> I I don't know that you could actually get that much construction done that quick. Um we're doing a few other uh cafeteria renovations and they typically always be the summer months and they're light renovations. finishes, hoods, uh, HVAC, and even those are really challenging to to actually build the full building, get the steel. Uh, I I don't know anybody that could quite pull that off. Um, most of mine, even on the simple stuff are it's a challenge just because lead times on certain items, even if you queue it up, it's, you know, lighting's usually about an eightw week turnaround, 12 week on fume hoods. There's just so much little intricacies on a cafeteria that make that >> well suppression.
070>> Yeah. A long time to get that all in. >> The quickest one I've been a member of has been about 80 80 days. Yeah. >> And that was just a little Highland Arkansas little edition they did there and it was 80 days and they're actually over past the kids. They had actually not used that cafeteria for a little while and had to go to a different school even. So, you got the back of the library, right? >> And we talked you you had a plan where you were going out toward the practice on the practice. >> So, can you go from the back of the library and make a tea >> where where the library is almost you could come in the library from administrative offices and you go out the library for the
071cafeteria. Not in the if you're saying that's too tight a spot. I don't know >> what do you mean? >> Yeah, I kind of feel like that's similar to what Scott's saying is that similar could just find itself over here >> where it'd be long like you you're you're kind of making a long cafeteria instead of a I mean could you do something >> or even take where Scott was saying and come on around and you've got >> you know when you go to other schools they're kind of interesting. They're not just a box. What if you made part of the library to the cafeteria >> and moved the cafeteria or the library where the cafeteria is >> and made all that open space plus the library the cafeteria the existing library. >> So you
072still have to take the library down. >> Put an addition onto the library where the kids would sit >> in that library area. Make the kitchen part in all the other section. >> Make the library where the cafeteria is on that picture. >> Oh. So if you put an addition, >> so library is looking over out instead. >> And >> academics, >> don't fear that. >> What I'm saying is instead of doing it here, keep this make this part of the cafeteria where people actually will sit and stuff in that area. Put your kitchen area and everything in this area. >> Make it all you've got your entrance still and then move library here. >> Don't you already have the uh students coffee shop. >> That's in the back building. >> That's in the other
073building. >> So you'd have all your vent hoods and all that stuff in that space where you're utilizing that space. >> Utilizing the space and still keeping this but repurposing repurposing. >> You're just using a different form. >> The library is what >> the library [Music] >> how many thousand >> how many square feet is in the library and can you set is that big enough for cafeteria and half >> change lunch hours? I think 12. You need about 12,000 >> for cafeteria. >> You need 12,000 square feet. Isn't the library about 2,000 square feet right now? A little north of it. >> Yeah, I think it's a little higher. I think it's like 35. >> Well, those numbers are way off then for what's still go out. You're you're saying use what we have
074just open it up. >> Well, yeah. I mean, if I'm kind of looking at it, I'm also thinking, you know, how do you >> move into that green space? >> You're not going backwards. Could >> also use some of that green space that you have behind it. like like part you have shaded green right now. You could use that as part of it too. >> Yeah, that could be maybe your new front cafeteria. I wish this road we didn't quite inherit this road. It kind of went quite this geometry. I wish it was able to be straightened up a little bit more. It gave us a little bit more buffer. At the time it made sense, right? It connects. It's close to >> but it's kind of hindering us in this growth potential. But I
075think my point would be is if we think that scheme one is probably got the most pros because we got to figure out this cafeteria piece, then we can continue to noodle on that and test how much square foot, where is it going to go? I have the drawings for this building, you know, how what does that look like? You know, because even though this building is made up of a few classrooms in a main central open space, we can see how much dining area that would allow and what other how much more dining we need. And then when we lay in about 3,000 square foot of kitchen because we have two freezers, uh, cold storage, two freezers, and then we're going to have dry storage. Those are the areas that have to be plugged
076in from the outside. So, right, you know, that would be the thing to say, "All right, what does that do? How's that kitchen get serviced?" Um, that trash makes more sense to be over here to the west. Again, it's not as problematic. You've got some sort of road that you can plug in and grab it and go. So, there's things there that are pros uh to put that cafeteria that direction. >> Could the cafeteria be where you have the gym? >> Um, sorry. Right here. >> Yeah. >> Put your gym because your building's coming down. >> Yeah. >> I mean, I just thinking or maybe it just thinking. >> Yeah. >> Still got your gym interest. >> It potentially could as long as we can get a truck when this goes away. When that goes
077away, you could >> when this goes away, you can get a truck down here because I'd imagine this being a parking lot in some regards. They could come in back in um and you'd keep that. Typically, that's why the cafeterias are always on a perimeter because it's easy to kind of plug and go >> and then your gym could be >> That's right. >> You must have the smell in the back of the building >> over there where the old gym is right now >> where that green space is the counseling center office. Is that enough square footage to be the cafeteria? Connect swap those where a cafeteria library's on the other side of the cafeter. >> Yeah. You can flip these fairly gym. They can back into here over here. >> There's nothing. >>
078No one would ever need to really go into this space for this layout. Right. >> Kids are there. >> Students wouldn't need to be here. So this kids have to change classes. >> That's how our kids have our kids have to go to class. >> That's that's the only access. >> They're not connected, >> not to those. The two on the bottom like no over up >> right there. That's your your fax and your agra and your bits. Those are all classrooms and our kids have to get there. That's the only thing. >> But >> that doesn't mean they can't. >> Yeah. To your point, you could connect a little bit easier. Maybe right here and here. >> Okay. potentially. >> Yeah. I mean, you wouldn't have to >> where they wouldn't be walking outside
079to go to class. >> Yeah. No, it just be a regular hallway. Yeah. >> I mean, I think that's the big issue. They don't want kids going outside. >> So, we need to close off all those corridors anyway. >> So, I think that was one of the just staples of almost a requirement, right, where we're not walking around outside, the campus is closed in. You know, for me, we've we've kind of talked about, but that library that was g what gave so much heartburn before is one, we're still paying on it, but $350 a square foot is what I'm hearing. There's 2,000 square feet just to tear it down and spend on a square foot is 750,000 to rebuild it. I mean, so you had to tear down and then rebuild. Like, if there's any
080way to maintain that library, we should figure that into the plan and keep it. >> Yeah. >> Maybe it shouldn't matter at this point, but it send a bad vibe to the voters >> when what you just built >> you're tearing >> still paying on it and then it's a $750 million >> to repurpose it does not send a bad vibe it's just we're trying to make a cohesive enclosed >> when you look at if it cost you a million to repurpose it [Music] >> so >> what have you gained you gain >> so renovation's going to be almost the same cost >> as tearing it down tearing it down >> that's per Gregory one thing I say though in its current state it needs less renovation >> like the front is that what you're
081so the fine arts that renovation will probably be >> yeah because it's a good building to your point I mean >> but the library fine arts >> the current library is in great shape so yeah >> so that's where tearing it down is just doesn't make sense in this point >> so if if we're doesn't cost as much to repurpose it and the fine arts is in like it's going to be the I this is the time I just don't see that we spend the money to repurpose something that we're going to have the same discussion in about 10 years. Well, we spent money on that to repurpose it and now it's not usable. >> So, that's more like scheme two. >> well, it's still scheme one. I just think >> scheme two's got it
082>> Yeah, that keeps your library but tears down the fine arts. Oh, >> it separates it separates the the gym and everything across the bomber. But >> we could just figure out >> to your point if it's going to be 350 to to new space and 340 or 330 to renovate it. Yeah, let's build new. It makes sense to >> that just makes sense so that we're not having the exact same discussion. >> Correct. >> In 10 to 15 years >> if it's if equal, it makes sense. The hybrid of concept two could be that the cafeteria that we're struggling with here >> finds itself over here. >> We leave the library. We put new academic space. And yes, the eventual practice facility needs to be near here or back over here. >> There's something
083about this option that could work as long as we're comfortable pushing that cafeteria over here. Now, does that reshift the campus? Does that hurt us? I mean, in some ways, it puts the cafeteria in the center of campus. Uh, if this space is finds itself over here, um, then we're not really displacing some of the parking concerns that we've had. So, there could be a hybrid option of two depending on based on this discussion that cafeteria over here could work. The downside is you're you're kind of demoing all of the fine arts. >> The cafeteria in the center is a positive to me. That's that's >> it is the >> that's a mental health piece you know that's where you gather that's where you socialize that's where you good things happen >> you make it
084convenient and they will go >> yes actually having it >> towards the front of your campus depending on what you use it for if you have you know if you have things it can become more of a public space to have meetings and different things at that point it makes sense to have it toward the front of the camera. >> On that note, >> that's where >> I love this collaboration we're doing. This is fantastic. We're going to take a little quick break. >> It's not executive session or anything, but a slight break for a little >> recess. Little recess for pizza and a bathroom. >> Recess for a bathroom break and something to drink, something to eat. dishroom. We are back >> and um keep eating. >> Sorry everybody. We'll try not to >>
085comp >> start on our next um continuation of our work session. Lots of good questions. Lots of >> the cafeteria seems to be our stumper. >> Josh, I want to ask a question even before you got to it on scheme 4. Um just just for my knowledge, just for the public's knowledge, >> the current old gym activity space, right? you talked about potentially leaving it there. Um, before you even got to that, I was saying, is there any way to save that space? Um, I know it's old, >> right? >> Maybe even Chris, has have we looked at is there any way to >> when you peel the big top off of it, put a new roof on it perhaps and save that space at all or it's it's no kidding. >> The the plumbing
086is really compromised. >> Okay. So, there's no no benefit of saving that space. the old gym. >> It's been a challenge for sure. I think the plumbing has been probably the biggest challenge is that >> that doesn't work. Yes, it has a roof. Um, we don't really know right now. It's got an old I think u uh I've lost the term. Um, it's not a tpo, but it's got an older roof on it right now. Um, um, forgive me. Yeah, it's a gravel. I don't know why I've went blank. I'll think of it right at the wrong moment. But um outside of the walls, it does have some nice wood structure. I recall a lot of glue lamination. That's nice. But it's the underside that's the problem. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Like Kingston gyms,
087it's got a lot of character. It's old, but there's a lot of character there. >> I don't remember this space the times I've been having that much character in it. So, >> but I think the floor is buckling in there. >> Probably is. Anyway, that was the question. Hey, is there any usable space to that? If it is no, >> a remodel if I remember correctly of that space has been >> right >> looked at before like that entire space and it had to do with you could not it would not handle fire suppression because we would be remodeling a percentage >> that you would have to add and that those still am I close to correct? Well, >> on that so the biggest concern of the >> Well, I think if you remove the
088big top and you just leave the core old gymnasium there >> that that's where that is even more challenging because of the suppression system that would be needed. >> Okay. the big top itself would have a struggle of holding that kind of suppression, let alone the old. >> Um, I'm not saying it can't 100% be figured out, but it gets really is the juice worth the squeeze on that one. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Yeah, of course. I, you know, I think there's been some really good um debate on where the location is. I think some of my takeaways is that we really like that the core could be maintained. We've got to figure out the cafeteria and I think if if scheme two um I know there's some concerns about it u it could
089be a hybrid. Where could some of this space be? You know, where does that cafeteria land? While early on I think it was not as favorable, but there's some things about leaving the library alone. thinking about that. Chris, you might have a little bit more insight on the contractor's perception of two on phasing and where you could put some of this, but there might be reasons why two might be more of a pro than a con than it once was. You know, if you were to combine maybe two and four, like four, you show the potential, the future potential of coming out to where the bomber is and connects up to the gym, >> right? >> If you can combine two and four to incorporate the cafeteria there, >> right? >> Like to me, that
090seems like almost a winning combination. The cafeteria could almost be in the center of that space. you bring anyway something that >> I mean with that forward front you can still make that singular entrance >> correct >> and which way do you go >> you don't lose the parking right parking we paid for but you come out towards the bomber right that slide I don't know if you can get to that slide so people can see it but on slide scheme four the future look >> yeah so if you can combine scheme two with maybe that blue highlighted space future That's right. >> You could get it all into that one spot between the library >> and then you move this cafeteria over here and you leave the library alone. >> I was saying if
091you >> I wanted the cafeteria kind of be more in the center space. >> Oh, okay. >> Like scheme two. >> Mhm. >> Right. So scheme 2's got the cafeteria on the other side of the of the bomber. I mean, if you were to do like scheme three, the future use, have it have it extend more into that bomber space, basically bring the cafeteria of scheme 2 into the main core there. >> Mhm. >> Which would bring the core out towards where the bomber is, connect up to the gym. The cafeteria could maybe be in the center of that space and classrooms around it or something to that. >> But almost combined, they bring the cafeteria stuff over to that. It might make it look like number four, but number four is shifted to the
092east and doesn't touch the library almost. >> Gotcha. >> So, this was suggested, it was sent after our last planning session. And if we're we're looking at this extending, it might be a possibility that wouldn't break the bank. Leave the bomber plane where it is, but you do have that cafeteria where the fine arts space is. you have come out. The bomber plane would almost be enclosed in the corridor. The corridor, >> which this might be like the plan was last time, is twotory. The bomber plane is internal >> rather than external and you built around it. Is that a possibility or is that a construction nightmare? >> Um, >> do we ever have it that goes back to glass fascia? >> It does go back to That's what as this was coming out of
093my mouth. Not as much maybe. I don't know. >> Thank you. >> How that plane says how high up in the air, Chris? >> Would we have to have >> probably more than a twotory structure? >> I think it's every bit of 24 foot. >> Would we have to have permission to do that, Chris from the Navy? >> Probably. >> Yeah. If we if we do, we have to have permission. >> I have to have permission to paint it. It has to have a way out. The Navy could reclaim it at any moment. So, it has to have a way out. >> Yeah. They could say, "N, it's ours again, >> right?" >> And I'd hate to build around it and have >> take it have something fall and a wing. No, it's not [Music]
094>> What about our industrial arts building? Do what? >> What about our industrial arts building? What if that was gone >> and then you built there and all the way to the road where the nursing home and all the way to the front of that parking lot. >> Yeah. That's not considered sacred, is it? >> No. >> And that building is older. That building is older than >> you >> the way discussed. I didn't know if it was sacred that what about the FFA barn and all that. >> So all this would go away that you Jason >> No, not all of it. Just where you're hovering the mouse, that section there. That other section is fairly new. >> But that that section that you're hovering over is probably the second to the oldest structure
095on the campus. Mhm. >> Um, so those and those are academic spaces that probably aren't the most efficient for the academics we're doing in them. >> Interesting. >> And they're also large spaces, >> right? >> So you think >> there's a lot of square footage right here that could be captured, right? To your point, that's that's a really big footprint. So you would leave your fine arts and front office >> fine arts building >> possibly >> facelift maybe put some lipstick on it or something but >> and then so we need to >> replace need to think about putting lipstick on a old >> facility that kind of stresses >> you look at you look at the I mean the offices have been remodeled in there I mean the entranceways with all of the door
096structure and stuff like that is serviceable space like That's >> Have you been in a meeting when they had the buckets out? >> Well, no. >> I mean, you got to think of that. How many times are we going to >> patch an old facility? >> We've probably been putting buckets in a lot of different places on this campus. So, >> even we are too, >> but buckets in the industrial arts, right? >> We would we want to we don't have to touch that pine space if we were to use that aggra space down there. >> Yeah. So you're saying don't remodel it. Save that for a later date. >> That could be one of those, hey, come on down later when we have the hackler bond paid off, etc. Hey, now we're going to
097come back in and maybe add the second ninth grade spaces or some other stuff. Hey, we re renovate the front arch. >> You don't have to touch. We like it. It needs it, but it doesn't have to be touched right now. >> And it may be a give and take. Hey, okay, we want it, but this is going to take priority. So, we're going to leave that untouched for now. I I'm just going to be very honest. It's It's rough. >> It is. It's pretty rough. >> I mean, it the And it's pretty rough. >> If If you're wanting to present to the world that we care about education and we care about our students, >> that does not do that. >> No, >> it does. >> The mold is my biggest thing. And we've
098tried to patch the >> the roof. Um, and I Chris will be able to speak more on Miss Russell, but it's that's a that's a rough area of that building and it's mainly in the front offices. Is that that's the worst that's worse than even the back of that, right? with the art in the >> so just thinking that through where the aggra building goes away um >> gives you cafeteria space >> I mean >> it could also give you another runway >> when you think about it >> you talk about reusing the the library space you know if you're parking to the north or right where the library could actually even become admin offices or even principal offices and fine art space could go away and it all gets built into the south together.
099You'd have a very compact campus there. The gym, the new gym is the only piece that's separated almost from everybody. >> Put it out. >> It's out there by the football field. But and that's okay. >> Is there any concern if that was to go that direction that the distance between the gym in that new academic space is just far? It's really starting to get, you know, you get to these edges of campus and think, you know, is that five minutes? Is that seven minutes between classes? >> They're doing it to go to the cafeteria every day. >> They're already walking that walk. >> That's a good point. >> These students are still going. There's more kids going to that cafeteria than there are the gyms. >> That's right. >> But you could still pull
100that the old new gym. You could still pull it forward some, right? It wouldn't it wouldn't have to go. >> You can bring it forward. >> Yeah. Pull it forward. >> Pull it south. >> Kind of kind of like the idea of putting it on the practice field and reimagining the front entrance of your campus. I mean, what if you reimagined the front entrance of the campus between the band hall and the nursing home? What if that was your new front entrance? >> It's got three guns >> because those those hallways that are there are fairly fresh. I think they're I mean I think they're >> they are but that industrial arts. Could the classroom push forward in that blue library? Could those shift forward? Yeah, I think as long as the plane or that,
101you know, the the circle is if that becomes not sacred, these spaces can slide over. The plane could be relocated or adjusted or placed. It leaves room for leaving the library intact. Um, this slides over. It it probably takes some of this and says, "Okay, we're going to we're going to we're going to move cafeteria to your point. Maybe it's right here. future practice facility right there. There's some things there that could work. What if you >> I was talking about the bottom portion the classrooms themselves pushing that >> this this block over >> like put >> but what if you flop what if you flip-flop the cafeteria in the classrooms and still hold it forward. You could leave that library building. >> That's right. And then you would have your entrance or you'd have
102your loading dock and stuff for your cafeteria. >> Yeah. Yeah. Because we really just need, you know, probably two and a half truck widths to do that. You know, we need 30 to to 40 feet of allowing them to to come down this road, back up into it, drop off. The the grade change is the challenge. And so you'd want that truck to come along this road and then because they got to go down into that space, you're going to have basically two loading docks. >> And that, you know, anticipate roughly 48 ft to 60 foot. >> I I don't know quite the school's >> Yeah. >> Uh capacity of what they normally, you know, get dropped off, but I that's typical. They back into it. Loading docks here, kitchens on this side. Um, I
103think you know the you start to really relook at either repurposing that library or that cafeteria is now into this space and then you all your academic is starting here to here. Um, and you connect. So there's there's things about this one that just flip-flops that could work by leaving and preserving or repurposing that library. Um, >> I mean, we're not married to not having a round circle drive, >> right? >> Like the practice field for the trucks to come in and out. And >> by by bringing that forward, you have one point of entry to get to your front office, your gymnasium, your >> Dunar [Music] all in front of you. So that goes back to one >> surveillance and all you can say all in front of you if that cafeteria was on
104the bottom side. You don't you'd still give you a little bit of a green space between the industrial arts building and the new building >> that way. Shift it this way so you preserve the library. That bomber can sit right between the gym and the football field. >> You actually reclaim a lot of this become parking. You don't need that division there. That's right. >> You don't need this space even like you can actually You wouldn't lose the parking crater. You could reclaim it. >> So the tree barrier is not city law. >> We'd have to add trees, but no. >> So that could be taken away. >> I think that's on your your property and title tree preservation. Okay. But to your point, if you typically what we find, I mean every city >>
105somewhere. It's that city. There's some city things like every how many spaces have to have something. [Music] So you're still talking about if the library sacred is the word you're using. >> We're still repurposing it. So it's not the library itself. It's just the building >> the space >> the structure instead of the library. But that's right. >> I think bigger. >> It's 35. 37. >> And what we're suggesting doesn't say we have to repurpose the library space. It could stay at the library. >> I think what I would do is in this scenario, I'd go back and test this, lay it out, and tell you what I could get to fit in there and tell you what what movement we have. But there's things about this one that I I really like from your
106security and your growth potential. It leaves you open later. >> Um, you know, there's there's things that I think could work um very well. That's my thoughts. That's what this one was my favorite thinking as a teacher and a mom safety >> and being compact. >> Um, that makes the most sense. And I was thinking the library not really that large of a space. This allows for future and we have to think >> about the future. >> That's right. >> And We are losing some space but gaining a whole lot of benefit and safety and limiting the ent still don't think that we're saving the library. >> No, >> but we're not displacing students. And that, you know, to me is right up there with safety as a teacher. Uh allowing education to continue without
107displacing students and teachers. It's got to be a top priority. >> Last 60 years shows that we're going to grow. We're going to change. We're going to put additions on. like that's that's a constant and and thinking long term we know that's going to happen. I think what we're the path we're going down here kind of combines the positive attributes of all of them. We talked about combining two and four which is what we're doing but it also combines some of the positives of number one by bringing everything together while maintaining that library space. >> Um moving that moving that plane you know you have to get >> Yeah. I was going to ask you If you tell them you want to move it to a more prominent place where it's viewed better, you could
108actually move it up. Back to that last you had >> you could actually >> you were talking about the trees. >> You're losing a lot of space right here with just these few trees that really aren't aren't giving you that much. and put the put the plane right up here almost like at the entrance. Hey, you're coming into bomber country. >> Move it up there. Now that it opens up that whole area back there and gives you a lot more flexibility in how you can do anything. >> That's right. >> You you could go up here before you're even really into parking displacement. You're not >> as long as we keep a few trees. We don't need a concrete jungle. We don't. So, but we need the FF I say FFA, the industrial arts building
109at all. I mean, now that concerns me that being, >> but that's down the road that allows for growth of that. >> Yes. And it and I don't at this point y'all aren't talking about taking it down. >> No. >> Well, we were considering the the >> parts of it. Even if we did, >> it's all on the table. >> Makes sense to me that How old is that building? >> 1980. I mean, how bad is it to take down the fine arts and the industrial arts spaces? >> Well, we'll have to replace the industrial arts, too. >> You would have to >> You take it away. You got to put it back. >> I don't know how many >> It gets me really nervous to replace both. Like, >> I mean, just from a
110standpoint of what what is that message? You know, if we It's one thing we know we kind of want to take the big top because of its structural concerns, longevity of building. It preserved those six buildings, but then when you also try to parlay that into this other 45 48,000 square foot of industrial space, >> it's a lot. >> I I think it it it probably unless there's just some really solid like Yeah, everybody needs that. We've got a huge agry program that's growing and we already know that we need more. There's there's some of those things that could trigger that >> because there's bathrooms and things in that building that do not function. >> I mean, think about if you built that middle structure like we're looking at and then the next time down
111the road you take that down. Well, now you've got an opportunity to square it up to tie it directly into pointed that out. The squaring it up instantly jumped out. There's your compact. Yeah. And that's much better space to take down than the library if we need to take down some space. >> Sure. >> Yeah. Yeah. I agree. >> A little more forgiving. >> For a contractor's point, that's a lot easier to stage your equipment and do your work from this section. >> Correct. >> Just looking. You can use that back field for staging. >> Yeah. I think this become >> that off. No one messes with it. >> By that time that big top will be gone. >> I think we'll be amazed at how much parking lot. >> Oh, you're going to be
112Yeah. And I think we can lay that out in the next iteration. We'll start to lay out what that parking looks like to give you on Thursday. >> Yeah, I missed that. Sorry. >> But on that note, right, >> baseball field parking we were talking about last week. Hey, where the big top is, if we can get across that creek there, you know, it all >> work. >> It all it all >> it all plays together. >> So combine schemes one, two, three, and four. And >> sounds like it sounds like we got a multi-tool. Sorry. Fair enough. >> Legos. >> Well, you could I mean, if anything, this all kind of culminates in how we start to think. We try to throw everything out there so we can figure out what the best parts
113of each one and bring back to the table. the the challenge and I go back to the cafeteria has been fundamentally the biggest challenge because it has to stay open functioning. >> Um it's hard to deal with that. And so um I think with this where we're headed, I think we can put some layouts together around this option, come back to you guys next month, next working session, >> um and give you some like, oh, here's a layout. Here's what this looks like. And and then we can say, okay, we're going to go ahead We pick one of those, we apply for it. Knowing this, the public, everybody should know even until we apply. It's not a 100% set in stone. Nobody's breaking ground, >> but we're just trying to get everything in that envelope
114that we need so that we don't apply for too little or too much because when it comes time and the division says, "Yay, hey, we want to help support this in a partnership agreement, no matter what that number is." That's the thing we're asking for the public to buy in on. Hey, if we get partnership, great. We're asking for the public to say yes to this. We think we have a good plan. We can tweak that plan all the way until we submit in construction documentation, which is quite farther out, but we just want to get it right first. I don't want to paint a picture of something way too small or it doesn't work. I do think we're headed in a direction that can can work and it gives us that growth potential and
115it's also unifying where we're headed. So you're you're getting the you know you're getting the uh the the view of how everything is made in the kitchen. You know it's like a little bit of all this. So So yeah >> also pushing that forward that connection. >> That's right. that happen but it's a small >> and with the with the idea of hey we're building what we need essentially to use it the phase one and come back at some point later and do with the the wants >> y >> right the idea of that aggra squaring it up I think that would actually be a very attractive >> you know space and appeal the visuals of it I think everything about that is really appealing for hey that's the future expansion Is that something that
116like do you I mean obviously you look at that. So have you decided okay we were going to come off of that building. Does that look like a classroom >> pulled out a hallway put in or is there a construction method that would accommodate like later on down the road like we knock out this footprint and now we have our hallway to our new wing. I think I always want to think about it long term and know where my circulation corridors are so that when that wing comes on, we're not rebuilding it twice. We're thinking about how we're pushing students. Also say that, you know, we typically uh put corridors in board for a reason. There's times that we have them on the outside. >> In the in the IBC, the 2018 IBC, we have
117to have a safe area of refuge in any of these. We will pick a series of classrooms or some of the bigger spaces that will be like a FEMA rated. I mean FEMA is a proprietary name, but we'll put the safe area of refuge. That's based on your occupant load. So there's going to be safe areas within the building for storms just like what we're going through in the springtime and I know we had an event a few weeks ago. Um but we're going to be thinking about where those corridors are because of those things. How does it make it easy to traverse on the site? you know, active shooter drills, all the things, all the security pieces from natural disasters to human flaws, you know, we we try to think about that. We think
118about where that new building is going to grow out to, you know, how do we allow for not having deadend corridors and things like that. So, uh it's part of kind of the equation, you know, for sure. >> Okay. >> Anybody else? >> I like that. I mean, I like the the idea. I like that path of going down that way. So, >> one, two, three, and four. >> A little bit of one, a lot more four, a little bit of two. >> Yeah, >> take four. Flip it over. Move it over. Flip it. Yeah. >> So, next time come with a Velcro map. >> Absolutely. >> We'll just move things around. >> Are you guys not going to consider it all? Put back the whole school on the field. >> That was in number
119three. That was scheme one. That was scheme three. Three. >> I think that defeats everything that everybody wanted. >> Eliminates all your problems. Your schools can continue to have classes. Don't have to worry about your cafeteria and everything. And then when you get it built, kids move to the new school, tear the old one down. >> You got a great big entrance right into the middle school. >> But it's not the whole school. >> That's just part of a school. >> You still have the Dunore. You still have the jams. >> You got students driving to ASU on Highway 62 East taking classes in welding every >> day. That's more dangerous than any active shooting you'll have. More than likely have kid in a car wreck [Music] car. I'm just going by what faculty is
120saying and I'm not I'm not about to look at that faculty and say we're not listening. They want a single entrance and they want a cons they want a concise. You start going across that road you you still leave Dunar, you still leave your cab hallway. You still live that industrial arch. You've got the gym. It's it it spreads us out. >> A long hall from Dunar Long. Are you talking about rebuilding an entire new school and not using any of the current buildings? Is that what you're saying? >> Oh, golly. >> I wish. >> I don't think the state will let us do that. Number one, >> I don't think the community will. >> And the community will not. >> Yeah. No. >> And it don't make any difference what you put up here
121or anywhere else. If the voters don't buy it, >> it's s It has to be talentable. >> Right now, that looks like my grandmother's peace meal quilt that you guys are trying to build gaps in with with triangles or squares. I'm not sure. >> Well, >> it's if we have $140 million that someone donate, I'll build the whole new school. >> We could call it the Tommy Knight High School. all you want. >> That's lots of money. >> And that's the problem. There was a lot of push back against just tearing down the library. >> We say let's tear it all down and build a, you know, $200 million school. That's >> I'm not talking about the >> Well, we're talking the cab hallways. I mean, everything over by Dunar on the east side of
122that road. Everything that's currently there. I >> mean, that's 180 million right there. I mean, we're talking. >> What we're trying to do is make it look cohesive. We're We're not on here color coding. You show what's new and you show what it Yes. It looks like a quilt, but when you start putting the brick and mortar and you make things blend, you're going to pull up and think, "Oh, this was how this building was made with all the new parts." I think that's that's what the goal is. >> That's a lot of my goal is to try to find a way to bond all of it together. you know, and not feel like it's all completely different. >> So, when we come back, probably next month after graduation. >> Um, so yeah, uh, we
123will have new sitting board members. They won't they'll be as official as we won't have board officers elected yet, right? Because it's not the regularly scheduled meeting. >> That correct? >> Am I correct? >> Yes. Yes. Correct. Okay. So, um they'll be seated for that May work session if you're available >> for sometime that week after graduation. >> Um you'll bring back >> Yep. >> What would you be? >> I'll probably bring back three layouts within if if we're saying find the hybrid, bring back three layouts that start to dive into it, >> start to look something >> and it'll be more zoomed in. You know, we're still at 2,000 ft. We'll be back into Okay, I see where you're going with this now. That's connecting to this one. Um, so it'll be a little
124bit more detailed than what we have here. So yeah, >> and to Mr. Knight, if we're if we do this with Hey, where the Agra building is later as a phase two, when that's done, you basically have a whole new high school with the exception of those couple of the band hall, Dunbar, and that cabwing. You basically have your new high school at that point. And it's very compact instead of Well, I mean, it's even closer to the the gym and the football field. Well, yeah. I mean, it creates that entrance. >> I feel a huge separation on that back field. I feel like you're disconnecting >> from the >> the I think the only way the the going on the practice field works is if you close that road >> and you're building that
125building as close as you can to the other one and you're still >> 13 feet higher than your other structure. >> So, it it just doesn't I just think we're defeating our purpose. I think we're fighting hard >> and safety. >> Yeah. >> Safety going >> and the students want to feel safe, too. >> Yeah. >> When you when you take buildings apart like that, that just separates that whole notion. >> A lot of places have tea buildings that you go to some schools, they're called tea buildings that are away from the buildings because they're portable because the schools can't afford it. So they have a bunch of tea buildings everywhere and those tea buildings people are afraid. Teachers are afraid when you see that 40 50 even 100 feet away from the school. The
126teachers when you go into those classrooms they're actually fear. >> I feel exposed >> right? They feel very exposed that anybody can just walk up walk in any of those doors open the door and do whatever they want. You would have to put a very good fence around that back wooded area. Um, and safety, that whole back creek. >> Yeah. I mean, you if it if you built your entrance right out here, >> right down, but then now we got to deal with traffic down this side. >> Yes. Would that stop for what that >> I just know for you. It's hard to It's You're coming off 62, which is the main entrance into Mountain Island, and you come down um Bomber Boulevard. You You really need your front right there. And that's what that
127when guests come visiting schools, that needs to be your front. Yeah. You don't need to make them look for the front of your school. >> I think that brings the front a little closer, too. >> And I love the the jet. We talked about moving the bomber towards that front last meeting and that to me is like >> I mean even you might even have room to put it behind the grand stands. You might be able to put it in that green patch by the concession stands. >> I don't know that you'd see it as well. >> I'm thinking that little curve from you think about during the guests are going to be looking right at it >> in front of Dumbar. Well, the back walls >> towards that little pie right across from Gil,
128>> right? >> Way down. >> Yep. Right there. I think that would be a beautiful bomber >> home. >> Until somebody doesn't make that curve and >> and whack it. >> Take out a big insurance policy on it. >> Have a lot of concrete >> and then he gets to pick. >> What? It draws attention up there. >> Sure does. >> Yeah. >> And it should. >> It should. >> You know, when you got out of out of town people coming in for ball games and such, you want them to see that because that's part of your your legacy. If you were, >> you know, so you want you want it in a problem area. >> A lot of good work has been done tonight and I appreciate everybody's input. I just appreciate everybody participating.
129You know, it >> it's often hard when nobody wants to talk. And so I really love that everybody in the room could talk openly about what's your concern, what what's your, >> you know, what's the fiveyear? What's the 15year? What what does that look like? So I from my perspective, I've got a lot of notes, but it's really good to have everybody's voice heard. So it's it helps us we only we respond better with feedback, right? >> So it's great. And and I I'll comment on that from a taxpayer standpoint. When you present this, having a long-term plan will go a long way. >> If you have it laid out, this is the phase. This is current and this is what we're, you know, looking to fund with a million, you know, >> x number
130of years down probably and especially if you can extend it out until the current uh bond issue is paid off. If you could do that then that shows you know it dovetales into it so that you're trying to reduce the compound millage increases one on top of another on top of another before each one is paid off. But you show a long-term plan of this phase then down the road x number of years this followed by if it has to be a third one down the road x number of years down the road because the average citizen out here all they see is taxes upon taxes upon taxes upon taxes you know so they they have to know what's out in the future. H did you have something to say? >> Yeah. Procedural question. Um
131when is the next planning session scheduled? >> We don't know yet. >> Okay. >> But it will be published. >> Oh, no. I'm not worried about just concerned will will it occur before May with the new school board members in place? >> The new we assume we believe that it will be after graduation which is May 16th because just there's not much time. So, our new board members would be seated. >> Got it. Appreciate that. >> So, probably after the 20th. >> I I'll have to I would assume, guys, after the 19th. >> I'm in the same boat. >> I would assume, guys, it would be it after that. I'm I haven't gotten a date. >> You know, with with that in mind, knowing that you'll have new people, >> I would suggest that on
132on your 3D views, >> Yeah. that you put labels on top of the building because you don't have a legend to the side, right? >> So, if you put labels on the top of what each one I did >> because the new people may not be as familiar with it, that makes real evidence for them right >> you got it. No problem. >> Yeah, absolutely. >> 30 additional >> 30 it does. We there's approximately 24 classrooms under the big top. >> We're taking those out. >> So those are out. So we would go ahead and add 30 because we would have a few extra for ninth grade. >> So we're netting six >> ish. I need to I need to Miss Russell and I have counted four or five times. We've got some classrooms under
133the big top that are split in half. So we don't we're c we've counted them both differently because one of us counts it as one and one counts it as two. So it's 2425 under there. Now we're looking to add 30 plus four labs a health science a physics a biology and a chemistry all of which we have right now. The health science lab is behind a classroom. Um, so that one of those 30 is the ROC room. >> So it would be 29. [Music] >> And I should mention Marshia Partney is the incoming school board member as Tommy Knight is also the incoming schoolboard member. Brad Butler was invited but had to he had a prior engagement and wanted Brad Butler. Yeah, Brad. >> And he could not make it tonight, but he will,
134I'm sure, be here in May. >> He'll watch it. He'll watch the live stream. >> He said he was watching it live stream. So, >> Mr. Josh, we're on a timeline, right? We had to be done submitted by October. >> Backing that up, when do we need to have this decided for you to to finish doing? >> I feel most comfortable by the end of June. That gives me a little bit of July and August to clean things up. >> But, >> we operate fairly quickly. I I want to give this the right amount of time. I'm I'm I'm totally comfortable for May and June to continue to to move the pieces of the puzzle around a little bit, but I will say once we get into July, I'll I'll start say, "All right, we
135need to kind of settle this so that we can spend the time detailing it the way we need to." Um it'll also depend on if you feel like we want to go into any more visualization more than just plans. um if you feel like we need to take it more three to me 3D if we if we want to do a rendering uh we've got a little bit of room in that but those just take time. So I would say let's let's kind of gravitate towards a July 1 like all right we kind of got it solved let's stick to that and I I'll feel pretty good about I'll have plenty of time to get what we need for October. I think it actually gets submitted the very first of November, but we have a
136working session with the division that we'll pre-review with them, let them know it's coming, run the layout, talk to them about why we're planning it this way, and give them that roadmap to your point, why the district is trying to do that. Um, it helps us later on when they come back around in May next year to say approval or not. They're very familiar with our campus as you know. So, >> I'm not saying we want to do it. If you want us to meet sooner or whatever, I would say I mean I can certainly meet sooner. It's something we can consider if if a month between meetings is actually drawing this out and you'd rather Hey, let's let's >> right now um just because of bandwidth and you know everybody's schedule between trying not
137to interrupt you guys. Uh but as we get closer we might actually turn that up a little bit. Okay. We'll have some more freedom in the summer months. >> Great. >> Well, appreciate it. Thank you all. Thank you all very much. >> Thank you Josh. >> Motion >> make a motion primarily [Music] concrete masonry metal siding. >> No I I don't think we are on prefab. I I think it's it's more pour in place concrete um structural steel type. I'm not saying you couldn't have uh metal panel though things like that. They've already got precedent for some of that, but I don't really want to push them into a prefab in anything too much. >> Well, you have to pour the lightweight concrete panels just put up, you know, >> right? >> Those go up
138really quickly. >> They do. Uh, but I don't know if they're the best. Uh, >> they come through long term >> and that has to also be approved by the state. >> No, that's why I was just a great idea. what you're thinking about. I mean, >> hey, we use them in Navy. I mean, they built they're building buildings. I mean, big time buildings, >> you know, and they're they're expected to last for a minimum 30 years, >> right? >> We use them in Alaska when I worked up there, those panels, and they're great. They're a lot more sturdy warehouses with them. [Music] Put river gravel on top of it. Stand it up. >> Make a motion to >> adjourn. We're going to German, but you can keep talking all night. Just got to shut
139this down. >> Well, not all.