001e e e we have Quorum do we called appropriate notice has been given please stand for the pledge I ALG to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liy and justice for all thank you any an approval of the agenda I make a motion we approve the agenda second a motion by Scott second by Jason any discussion all in favor unanimous all right m Miss Jones academic facilities School Consulting thank you for coming of course absolutely so the last time I was here with you guys I had strut throat and it was it was no way off so I know you'll in fact be able to hear me a little bit better this time um just to give most of
002you I know you especially M Morgan a little bit of my background I began with the legislative task force to public schools in 2003 um this was following a lawsuit between Lake bu school district and um at that point Governor Mike pugby in the state of Arkansas this Prem Court of Arkansas ruled in favor of late View School District and they set forth some mandates stating that the schools were not equitably funded guess what there still are right so a couple of things that they wanted to do is they wanted every academic and non-academic building in the state of Arkansas to be assessed and they also wanted to create a standard for new construction and then that assessment they would use against that standard prior to all of this happening there was onepage document that
003schools built by otherwise they followed the international building code and fire code so that's why when you drive around Arkansas you see buildings of every shape and size you go into a building and you'll see classrooms that some are little some are huge there's no uniformities because all of this took place after that lawsuit today the instruction manual that schools have to follow is over 700 pages long from one page or to a 700 Pages we were able to bring in groups of Architects and engineering firms to assess these schools every building this building for for instance had a 100 page packet so every building in the state of Arkansas had 100 page assessment packet that we had to do we assessed 80 million square feet in 80 Days and we then compiled reports for
004the legislators and showed them and ranked them the worst campus to the best campus the worst Roofing in the state the worst Plumbing in the state came back with a price tag now if you'll remember back around this time there was the big tobacco lawsuit it was like $650 million that Arkansas got the Supreme Court pulled every penny of that and said put it in the schools get it out there start in these schools so since around 2005 to current day we have put in almost 4 billion dollars towards our schools whe other in building replacement additions new schools and now when I think back the schools that we built in you know 2005 are now 20 years old so you know I I didn't have gray hair when I was um but I didn't
005drink but um so Arkansas has truly been kind of forging forward on taking care of their schools and trying to come up with an equitable way to fund the schools there's not any other state in the Union that does what we do as far as having a a division that partners with you and actually gives money to schools most of the districts in the across the US do just like what we did before you had a Debt Service Mill you rais money through debt Debt Service bills and you borrowed against the state through banks and things like that nobody has another entity that says your wealth index is 45% so I'm going to give you 45 cents on the dollar it's not a loan it's a gift okay we're the only state in the Union
006that does that so it's pretty cool that we do that being said however that money is dwindling down after 20 years um we had 654 million to start now we're lucky we get 90 million a year and I know that seems like a lot but when you look at some schools it takes State share $15 million can be a state share and have money proba goes real quick additionally construction cost you know back when I started this I could build a school for $1 125 $135 a square foot now you're looking at200 to $350 a square foot uh safe rooms I was able to build for like 210 a square now they're 560 so a lot of that does come off of the heels of Co it's not going to go back it's just not
007going to go back because as we know with um economics if they see that we pay it they're not going to reduce it then we've been paying it so the money's getting tighter the competition's getting stronger right now 10 million doll a year is pulled from public school facilities and given to Charter Schools um I don't have a problem with Charter Schools getting money but I feel like they should do the same dog and pony Hoops that we have to do they don't have to do a master plan they don't have to do you know the computerized maintenance program they don't have to follow the Arkansas school facility manual all they have to abide by is the ABA building code and the fire code so if they're going to get the they're going to get
008to play I think they should do it the same as us but that's my soap box for the night so when I started working with Mount home we were getting I want to say it was right around 10% State share and for the longest period of time Mountain n did not apply for partnership because of the very fact that it was just easier for them to move forward and do projects on their own instead of waiting to see if you're going to get a 10% 10% share share and then I came on board um Mike Walker was here as your spot and we applied for a roof and at that point I think it was around 15% this state share so 15 cents on a dollar now at last look we're at about 45 cents
009to the dollar and that's that's great for us that means for every dollar that that we have to put towards a project the state's going to give us 45 cents on it so it's almost a 50/50 split now one of the things that we also have to do is we have to do every year we have to do a facilities master plan and this looks at your shortterm and long-term projects that you want to do it kind of can become a Christmas list I have some districts that go all out in community meetings and you know they want me to add everything that the community wants they want me to add everything that the teachers want put it in there whether we do it or not but put it in there the thing about the
010master plan in the projects is if you have it in the master plan you don't have to do it but if you're going to do it you got to have it in the master plan right um so we are always creating and updating this it's a living document it has to be done every year under the Supreme Court ruling um the evene submission that I just completed is simply an update it's not the full monty the full one has around 16 or 17 tabulations that have to be completed I will start working on that one in July and that's the one that we will take before the you guys for a board resolution we'll have an open community meeting and it's also when we look at the next opportunity for partnership funding um this last
011partnership cycle we applied for um we applied for the roof replacement over the moag building and we applied for the roof replacement at guy Berry guberry was approved the vag building was not the reason the vag building was not approved is there were no work orders put in by the staff to substantiate the claim that it was a bad roof no matter how bad the Corel Roofing reports were no work no work orders not that bad then so I visited with Miss Dy and I've talked with Chris and I've said we've got to beat these teachers to death they've got to put in the work orders so if I'm a teacher how am I going to know I've got a leak in my roof I'm going to see wet ceiling tiles right so they've got
012to start putting in the work works we did request an early start on the guy Berry roof we were granted that early start I think we are kind of going to start moving forward with the designing of that and um we will know May 1st if we're going to get money for um so that's kind of one of those things that districts if you ask for an early start it's because you've got to do the work and you're taking that gamble that you will get you know funded if you don't get funded you're accepting that responsibility of paying for that full project and we knew we had to do that roof at guy um other projects that we have on our list is parking and baseball complex bomber Stadium Renovations perimeter and interior fencing at
013bomber Stadium install new HVAC at the junior high school um committed projects are those projects that we have said we're going to do um or we are in the process of doing inspection of the high school and PMB by fire protection engineer restroom Renovations at the junior high school again the new roof at gy Berry create Ada special needs playgrounds each campus and a new roof at the kindergarten so these are projects that we've said we've got to move forward on and we're in the process of doing these are all the buildings that we have so you'll have your campus and then you'll have your main building and then you will have additions that were done to each of those main buildings so one of the things that we have to do is we have
014to do what's called a condition assessment and a condition assessment falls on the heels of the original assessment that was done in 2003 except this time we didn't bring in Engineers for it they we use our maintenance team Chris and I get together and it's a very simple assessment so instance this is the site assessment and we rank that according to good Fair or or replace once we do that built into the hardware is a calculation of how much money this is going to take you her a for the first time okay so this tells you that over the next 5 years 6 to 10 11 to 20 20 plus the money that's going to need to be spent on just that site in that building right so that's 85 million at Nelson wils Elementary
015that site and the buildings there if I look over at another one we look at Nelson will so that's the same I don't know what I'm clicking so this is Pinkston this is the 1997 building the condition assessment on that it's a full assessment it's 37 different bills um 37 different utilities you can see it gives you an estimated year of when things need to be replaced and then it tells you a projected replacement cost for this building is 6.9 million so these are not set in stone but they are good for planning they're really good for a district longterm planning especially if you start looking at any buildings that you have or campuses that are you know have kind of reached that end of life which is your depreciated value of a building if
016it's gets to a negative number a zero or a negative number the state says it's better to rebuild than renovate okay so it's based strictly off of just this the age of the building but this will tell you you know okay over the next 20 years we're going to need to sink $7 million into this building um and that's not too bad so those percentages over on that left where you see that -30 or 74 4% is that what you're talking about as far as life right okay that's exactly right so this classroom addition it's at 74% it was built in 2012 now if you look down at pingston the original structure at pingston is a 52 built in 1949 right so this is your your depreciation value and again just because it's old doesn't
017mean it has to necessarily be replaced sometimes the oldest buildings are some of the best buildings right so it's just it's good planning strategy and looking at okay over the next 20 years we're going to have to put you know6 to10 million into this one building do we want to do that to a 1949 structure or do we want to take it down raise it and rebuild something that's going to be more adequate because you know you think about 1949 the building was not built for air conditioning it was not built for the technology and electrical load that it has the rooms were not built for the number of students the restrooms were definitely not built for handicap compliance so that's where you just kind of go that may need to go on our long-term
018radar for rebuilding and re instead of a renovation can you move that though if it's does it have a date that you have to make a decision no no no so do we we keep watching it but as we start kind of looking and thinking you know looking at the work orders that come in are we starting to have you know sanitary sewer problems are we having structural issues are we blowing ballast out in classrooms all the time then we kind of go okay it might be time to to think about replacing that building there's the alumni the 46 depreciated value in 1952 find our old got where that guy's buried 1938's old was it 38 I think so 37 38 I think is what's on the front of the building I do know that
019the second section is 78 mhm but is still older than me just rub it in there's a lot of buckets that got buried during rain yeah so that's a 1938 it has a depreciated value of [Music] and projected replacement you're looking at 3.6 million over the next you know six to 10 years 1.70 to five so that's you know quite a little bit of chunk of money into that 1938 building the other thing that the master plan does is there's a narrative that goes with the master plan because Little Rock doesn't like to get out of Little Rock and come see what we do and the narrative is a very detailed look at our district I look at the demographics I look at the poverty levels I look at the median income we put in
020with the percentages of the IEP students for our district um and it helps to give them a view of our community and also look at the things that we've accomplished in the past and the things that were wan to do going towards the future so the narrative is a critical part of the master plan we also have ADA compliance um this P excuse two years ago uh representative mallerie who has a disabled child made it a a law that we had to do an assessment of 88 compliance and start working on a transition plan to bringing our buildings up to ADA compliance now there's some buildings we have that doorways just can't be made any bigger than what they are you know that 1938 building at guy very um but there are things that we
021can do modifications to restrooms door hardware getting in and out accessibility not every restroom in a building has to be ADA Compliant but you must have at least two male female ADA Compliant restrooms so we are working on that steadily as we go forward it's kind of a continual thing that kind of plays to one of the projects that Chris wants to have in here which is having ADA Compliant or special needs playgrounds at each of our campuses for that all inclusiveness please feel free to jump in and caller we have to look at the insurance that the districts have after the fire at cabat Arkansas C School District uh probably about 10 years ago it is now law that districts carry 100% building coverage used to be that you could even have like on
022our like guy Barry um we could have a an agreed upon now right now you have to have full coverage 100% full coverage uh for interior and exterior and we all know what happened with the insurance rates last year would that be a replacement cost or is that today's replacement Val repl oh my gosh so wo that's 00,000 pardon me 500,000 so every square foot of the district is insured for replacement replacement is that just the building or the contents of the building that's the buildings that's the buildings just the buildings some things that we cannot Ure field sure sure you say that was $500,000 a year four I'd have to look 490 it's just shy a half that's for every school in the district and but that doubled a year ago yeah a year
023ago it was around yeah so it's it's 49 something now now it was 250 it was 250 before okay and it was for everybody so they're that's something they're working on I believe yeah um at a state level to come up with a Consortium or a yes so um having been doing this now for 21 years I've made U some friends in low places one of which is Shannon Moore at Arkansas School Board Association and she was up until this past year over Insurance areas and she's now the director of asva and from my understanding one of the things that catapulted everybody premiums was the tornado think in Midland U and they were going to get a full they were going to get you know 100% replacement coverage but somebody on the board knew somebody
024that had a contact with somebody at Lords of London and they are one of the underwriters one of the many Underwriters to the insurance and contacted them and said oh no you should be getting more money than what you're getting so it was a big ugly cadoo they did get a lot a lot of money um but as a result it just threw everybody's premiums into a tail span so um but that is that is a requirement that we do have the 100% coverage we also look at our custodi on maintenance every district has a custodial and maintenance manual that I've created for them it tells it gives examp of schedules that they can have um it gives them test and where they can go for continued education we have to put in how many
025custodial full-time custodians we have and how many full-time maintenance we have this is a really nice number because most of the districts I work with have one maintenance and maybe three custodians and the way you figure if you have enough custodians is it's 9, ,000 square fet one person for every 90,000 Square ft no that's for maintenance one person for every 990,000 ft for maintenance one person for every 20,000 Square ft for custodial okay so let's take a look at this Mountain Home timeline the one page any questions before we jump down this R not yet I'm sure we'll come up with something all right partnership applications um I guess the question is first are we going to want to reapply for some different variation of a new high school and getting out of the
026PMD structure yes yes I think we need to yeah we have to okay all right so that being said we need to start doing construction planning March 1st and we need to spend a good 150 days four to five months on doing this and and that means working with our architect working with our department heads working with you know School Board working with technology working with maintenance and start developing our plan September 1st actually August 1 the master plan tool will open up I have to have every part of the application in every part of the master plan completed by October 1st so that I can ask the state for an early review early reviews have to be asked requested 120 days before the submission of the application so that's where we get the October
0271st what is the benefit of having an early review by the state when I leave that interview or that meeting with them I will know coming out of there if the project is approved and I will have a semblance of how much money we will we would get if we get funding for it so I can leave knowing okay it's a approved or they will give us a direction while in that meeting and go you know if you guys do this like this and you do this this way and I still have time to make changes before the for the official deadline for submission so we want the we want the on to we want to do that early review every early review that I have had the projects have been approved whether they get
028money or not that's a different story but every early review I've had the projects have approved uh February 1st of the even year 20126 that is when I do my official submission to the state now an application again I said the whole master plan has to be completed board resolution community meeting the application must include a schematic of the project and including in that schematic our exterior Dimensions all of the rooms labeled all the square footages of the rooms to go into it and a completed P or a program of requirement so that's why we got to start now right can I ask a quick question yes did you say the schematic had to be in the early review or in the February it has to be in with the early review and it has
029so it has to be a complete picture y so we can't submit anything based on we need x amount of classrooms so many science labs a cafet like got to be exact and I'll show you let's take a so let's take a look at what we submitted even just just to so even just to get a blessing I mean it not I mean even if we said no funding but even just to get a blessing we have to present a picture I mean we have to present a full schematic by March no no by October we start in March March one really fast that's pretty quick fast I'm presuming we're talking about high school well I mean talking about any I mean I mean if we wanted to build anything this is the timeline and
030it's two years before what's our it's wild what's the uh the district's deficit at right now you know you guys were right now we look pretty good pretty good today we do we watch it every day but we are not deficit budgeted we have we do not have a deficit budget this year year so y'all made that up now we can what you you've made that up then we never we were afraid last year based on our budget okay that we would not bring in enough Revenue to cover the budgeted amounts that we have what you have we did Tony and I expect us to again this year L I just want to clarify in my own brain here that if the February 2026 deadline is not met then the next time that can be
031submitted is February 20128 that is correct okay yes you can only apply in the even [Music] year if you don't make the October one deadline for the early review you can still submit in February is that correct but you just don't get the early review yes okay that is correct and if you don't get that early review which will tell you that your plan's approved it just won't tell you that the money's approve that's right when you get there in February they may tell you this isn't a good plan and you're then you've lost twice kind of okay yeah and if you go in there with the early review and I've had this happen before where they've looked at it and go what if we did this because you know they have at that point
032before we've submitted they can offer up an alternative you know where they say well we've looked at it like this and maybe if you do this you got a better shot you know when we first started with the dog and pony show here we fought them you know Josh and I went down several times to tell them you can't save that dining in cafeteria even though it's the newer part of the high school when you start taking down that P be it's going to destroy that and they were like yeah you know you're right so after you know us going down Josh and I were able to convince them give us the square footage and the funding for that as well so they and they did so I wanted to show you [Music] going to
033be you so this is this is the schematic that Josh did for what was going to be our new high school one of the things that he did over on this side I'll see if I can blow it up is he took my P and he labeled AB an absolutely just took my P that I had worked out and put the room schedule here so the division knows real quick what they've got in there and then what they want to see is they actually want to see the rooms okay so now you've got the rest You' got your outside dimensions you've got your door entries you got your names of your rooms um you've got how much the square footage is so this is exactly what they want to see but here's the Cav got
034to that they also they want to see it and I think a lot of it is is due diligence they want to see that we've done the work right because it is a competition so they want to see that you've done the work on the program of requirement and what I what that means is is that I have to go measure every classroom every bathroom every closet every Corridor of existing buildings on this campus and we have and then I have to look where our shortfalls are going to be when we take down the PMB and that's going to then tell me this is how much you have to build okay versus how much you already have what you have to have and what you need to build so it'll tell us the p is
035simply this it's a minimum build maximum funding tool and the state wants to see that you got it laid out that you got the right square footages of the rooms now they realized that this schematic could evolve right you can make it bigger as much as bigger as you want to go but you can't make it any smaller than what the state says and you may look at this after you got approved and go oh crap I put my library right next to my band room we don't want to do that so I need to readjust my schematic okay so this is what we have to have to get us approved now it was a it was a tough gig last year we know right we all know it was not it was not a
036good time um Chris has done some work we've gotten we we have made the division happy with the things that we have done thus far to the building but there are still imminent things that need to be done um in an ideal situation the PMB structure would just be right not going to happen so that's why we say we're going to have to rebuild it now when you start building and designing and all that you you it kind of becomes like I said earlier a Christmas wish list right and we had a very forward thinking superintendent who wanted all the bells and whistles and you know every meeting we sat in on there was a different different idea what if we do this and we have a second level we can look down at the
037Robotics and every time that that happens the architect has to redraw okay so it it just kind of becomes a funling deal and in fact I think I was working with Chris we were getting to the deadline and Chris had to tell him stop we can't make any more changes we've got to get it wrapped up we've got to get it submitted to the state so by coming in now and seeing all the lessons that we've learned we're going to be able to pull back from that grandiose idea and you know Josh has all of his schematics that his work we can pull back from that grandiose idea work with our principal and really say what do we have to have that's under that big top that we have to replace now I heard through
038the great Bine you know that there's thought of starting over right new architect new construction manager starting over you are going to lose so much time because I know for a fact that Moda Studios worked on this project for three years and Gregory was right there with them right the failed millage doesn't fall on the back of an architect or a construction manager it falls on the back of the community and I know that Josh went to L Rock multiple multiple times to go to bat for us to try to get us more square footage so my soap box we would be losing valuable time if we switch because you're going to be bringing in your one of the things that you'll have to do is you'll have to put out a request for qualifications
039in aate paper that's two weeks you have to have a dead week for them to get submitted you have a week of interviews and then you go into contract negotiations so you're looking at a month and a half before you even get an archit and then you're going to get an architect that doesn't know the the campus or the building or what's up in the BT things like that um you can't talk to Architects and hire them based off of a fee you base it off of qualifications we've got a great architect we've got a great Construction management team that's here local guys so if it were me I would come back and I would sit with the architect and I would sit with the construction manager and go this is what we have this
040is how much money we can do this is what we must replace build us something nice it doesn't have to be a Taja Hall build it nice build it functional build it good for the kids and we can do that has anybody talked about switching Architects I haven't heard any I think I said we may have interest in switching Architects not a great F I don't think anyone on this board has ever mentioned that we have a problem with Josh or motor Studios or well there's but it's it's not a common especially when you get a new superintend he'll design out what we ask him design out I have no doubt about that so I haven't heard any talk I don't think anyone else has heard any talk about switching so I guess I mentioned
041it because you know I know sometimes when you get a new Administration new board they kind of want to go let's let's start over from scratch and so here's the thing about Josh I'll just be honest with you so I'm drawing things you know my mind's spinning right now thinking about new buildings thinking about the where thinking about the how and I'm talking to Chris and I said could we put it here kids stay in class just random idea I don't want to go into all that right now but would it even work to do this kids stand class we don't have we have one year without a cafeteria just some ideas Chris says he's probably driving to work let's calling I I think it's an elevation issue we can't calls him he said no
042Chris it's fine there you can do that you can also do this this and this he already knows he already knows I mean and that was just with a phone call um he spent that much time on the project and I know he's just he's easy I think you all would say he's easy to work with um and we're not saying we're going back to the original plan no that's not I was just addressing Miss Jones hey switch Architects is going to take a lot of time as long as everybody's good I don't think talked about but we need to I'm aware it's just they don't nobody get we don't really get to have that kind of discussion so I think for right now for y'all to talk about it is a good opportunity and
043to hear somebody that's built a lot of buildings M Jones has been part of a lot of a lot of projects and I you know I like with a lot of different Architects with a lot of different Architects I've got a list of oh no please don't you know um and oh no please do yeah oh no please do um and there's you know I've got some that I could call up and I would I would have them here in a New York minute same as construction managers there's some really good ones out there um I'll tell you I'll be quite honest I was not very high on the mic for Gregory construction but I worked with will and his team at Yellville and he blew it out of the water it was just fantastic
044so it's like now I'm a will Gregory fan you know so but it takes working with them to figure to find that out um but yes what I what I like about what we can do is we've got the bones we got the we've got the skeleton for this project we've done the work right all we got to do now is pull out those extraneous pieces that make it such a large project we got lots of things on our side we got you guys we got some new board members we got a different perspective we got a new administrator we're getting a higher percentage in state funding you know if it's you know approved and funded um we can get our community behind it now I know that there's only so much that as a
045school district we can do for a millage campaign but I've had a lot of experience with trying to get milles past I've done all the Lions Club rotary club club clubs meetings Josh has always been all of them as well if he's there we get with our construction manager we have a big party we ask the construction manager bring out the Barbe you let's do some hot dogs and burgers have an open QA session for the community at night um give them tours uh Mindy Moss was a superintendent at Harrison she was trying to pass 10 mills to get out of that old Junior High School she started running tours during the day and at night of just people say come look come look want you see what the kids are at and you know
046I would say show them upstairs above that PMB so just look at this Tinder Box have y'all been up there the junior high oh yeah upstairs at the hospital oh our school oh yeah oh yeah yeah it's it's it's something else it's like make out alley up there oh yes not that I've done that up I did go to school she goes oh yes I didn't I know that PMB is that what it's called now so is my husband watching this I hope not so back to our timeline we get the funding notification May 1st of 2027 we would go for a millage campaign that fall November of 27 and now we would start the design development of the project and that is about a six to eight month process of really drawing the plans
047getting all of the mechanical electrical the full set we've already decided what we want to do now we're moving forward we're designing it now it takes about a month for the area agencies to approve which is Fire Marshall ABA health department and Facilities um will Gregory and modus would work together to create the bid packages to get advertised and put out we would solicit for bids open sealed bids issue contracts and we can tentatively begin construction October 1 of 2028 with a 12 to 18 months construction period so yeah we're starting now and it's you know we're three three years early but that's what it takes for us to get to where we need to get to what's the number of days and Miss Kelly and I have to ask you the number of days
048before when you would um declare when we would send stuff into the clerk to see if for a millage C 90 days or 60 72 before we asked we'd ask for a different yeah 60 so somewhere between 60 and 90 days yeah we know that maybe 72 I'm not sure because it would be if it was a special election which I don't know if it would be I'm just throwing that out there yeah so this is 20 um7 is it a gubinatorial election year she was three yeah yeah well she's midterm so she's got two years be gorial but I mean if you announce in if you announce in November you would probably end up going into March just like you did the last time that's probably that's probably what they would push you to
049so that you're not in there with the governor's race you're not there with the governor's stuff that probably would end up being I'm just what happened to you guys last time you know you announced in November October area publicly and then the commission the election commission pushed you guys to may may may yeah and see and what hurt us there another thing that hurt us there is we had not gotten the funding notification yeah so this time if we go for with a election we're going to know we're going to have that bird in our hand that say is the state of Arkansas is partnering us with us on x million of dollars right so that that's a big car that's could you explain um could you explain how that works the they would partner
050with us on the square footage could you explain that because it is not quite half it wouldn't be quite 45% exactly it's not it's not quite that just to make sure we're clear on on that doesn't the state say for X number of students you need X number of square feet we already have so much square feet so it doesn't matter that we tear down 100,000 square fet they're only going to partner for the 35,000 exactly right right so we'd be getting the 45 cents on the 35,000 ft is that the way that's exactly right so it's not what we're rebuilding it's that's it what we're lacking from the states as we need right that differ and it's even it's even a little bit more than that I wish I had so if we have
051what's just 100,000 sare ft and they're going to partner with us on that 100,000 square ft the highest dollar amount they're going to partner to is$ 289 right okay construction cost is 350 so they're going to go 289 of the wealth index on that 100,000 so they're going to give you 289 of 100,000 at 45% whatever is over is on us totally um and part of what has driven that cost up is now an unfunded M mandate that says you have to have a safer so we have to have a safer incorporated into the construction of the building is there any chance any chance of an increase there is there is a chance in fact we may even see it this year that's what I had heard I've heard that as well that maybe they'll
052go up to 300 and changes in safe room regulations not mandatory no they're mandatory not not to the occupancy load classroom the number of students they're right now they're at Max occupancy so if we had to do a practice gym that Max occupancy goes Sky High Sky High so like a classroom an 850 foot classroom the state standard says 28 kids and a teacher because now they're they're including desk the State Fire Marshall says 5 Square ft per person so that's 5 ft * 850 right now you so your your safe rooms just get stupid but you know with an architect what they're able to do to try to bring that cost down is they actually build it into the design of the building so they'll look for the largest rooms like an art room
053or a business lab or a um distance learning lab restrooms or doors and they turned those into the safe area so it's part of the structure of the building and it's not just a standal building I'm sure it's come a long way since we've everything you know well it's already increased your cost for square foot the possible partnership funding that's already increased that's already increased that's right um but I have I'd heard rumor of getting it over $300 yes they are working really really hard one of the things that director Chim Kane had myself and another couple of other colleagues did was turn in any project we worked on this past year the bid tabulations so then they're presenting those to the legislators and going we're not just asking to be asking this is what
054districts are facing right now and you know 300 350 is a good number you start looking at places like Jasper in Deer that price just goes up yeah because there's no place to stay you know location location location it's hard to build up there so my safe room at Jasper was 564 square foot wow and they used the pre-injured the pre-cast tilt walls mhm see them puppies coming down highway s move over they couldn't have been very big if they meant went Highway M Jones can you help me remember the numbers from last year what was the state saying how many square feet that you need advice what we were so basically let's I'm trying to calculate what the partnership funding would possibly be if we replac just 80,000 ft if I am not mistaken
055and I I don't have it with me so don't quote me yeah but I'm wanting to say it was around $950,000 is all that they were going to give us okay um our wealth index was a lot less now well that it that shouldn't have changed much in the past year and half they if it's um I think the square footage that they agreed to was around 37,000 we looked that up earlier this week I think it 37,000 now we expect that to go down a little bit because um enrollment down little down a little I thought it was like 130 something maybe what the total project was the total project was like over 100,000 that's I think right but they only agreed I have because we have a lot of other space in the
056high school right so that's where that that other that existing space is why we didn't get yes your band room rooms all of those spaces can hold a lot of kids yeah so it wasn't the partnership funding that the square footage that was available for partnership funding wasn't huge and we weren't talking about a big chunk of money so if I run the 37,000 at 289 that's 10.6 million based off of our wealth index they would kick in around 4.8 that's a good and that's just a baseline because that 37,000 that's them saying that's as much as we're going to give you you you buil 100,000 you got 70,000 that's on your head right yeah that makes sense but that's 4.8 and not Mount Hol has never ever seen that amount of money from them
057right I didn't understand that that was what we were looking to get last time of and of course we got approved but we didn't get funded last time as well too so there's no guarantee you're going to get anything from the St so well right no guarantee but highly you know they just it's looking better okay we're in better shape than we were last time because of this magical list this magical list is called the warm safe and dry needs list yeah and we're higher on it there's there's 962 campuses I think you said like one I think I said like 12 something we're that high on the list we're in the top 25 that's good that's depressing M that's good but it's good well it's good but that's depressing High School is 159 guberry
058is 75 that's why I feel pretty good about funding on yeah yeah out of 962 campuses yeah we're 159 so we're in the top top third of IT guy bar is like like spitting distance so and how many of those 158 in front of us applying for funding in a typical year Well 158 that don't higher that doesn't mean that that's how many apply correct so there's 90 million this year right assuming that's the same to go around and money that gets turned back each year um let's say last year Highland had two failed millages they turned back $6.9 million back to the state that money just went back into the bought and went to another District right um so just because there's 158 campuses ahead of us doesn't mean that they're applying yeah sure
059sure okay but that number does play into them looking and going but they've already looked at us and go you know so their their preference is that we replace it so their history they've seen it they've assessed it they've done a conditional report of it they've done a safety report of it they preferences that we would that it would go and to do the early review in October 1st you said all the plans all the drawings everything has to be there my understanding we spent what 200,000 last time kind of getting those plans put in order we so I mean so you're taking a gamble at that point to spend that money to maybe get partnership funding to maybe get a millage pass well and I think too you know if we if we work
060with Josh and modus and we narrow down looking at the P first of what do we have to have put that into our po okay what do we have to have and then we start looking you know at laying it out into a single line schematic or the two however many floors it is because he's got it all in CAD so he may be able to say okay we don't need a 4,000 square foot robotics lab you know let's take it down to what the state says 1200 ft that's what you get um so there are things that we can do um and again every time you say I want you to do this and then I want you to draw it that's just time money and time um but I think if we work
061on that P and what we want and what we need first before he jumps down the rabbit hole of drawing that's going to help us [Music] I have a question yes sir has the State Fire Marshal changed his tune at all on the big top because I know he was flip-flopping back and forth yeah well you know and this was kind of just the honest thing is nobody wants to tell the school shut down all right nobody wants to do that nobody wants to to do that he has very he was very adamant finally on what needed to be done and you know Chris has been working pretty diligently on getting those things checked off the list the facilities division's happy with the progress we're making he's happy with the progress that we're making ultimately
062you know the bottom line is you got to get out from under the big do because we can put the stand pipes up there we can put the smoke detectors but that structure in and of itself is not a safe structure we don't even have plans on it and let's just clear for the people watching because having done this two times with you guys now right right the the last time that this was brought up the millage election there was the claim that the state had a plan and the money set aside to fully pay for a whole new high school for us and that was not true oh I wish yeah wouldn't that be nice I wish and I believe the amount mentioned was around $1 million and that was set over the the
063airwaves at ktlo and that has been a persistent rumor that has hung over the school for a very long time yeah no no um then it turned out we got no funding at all yeah they didn't have any set aside for us did they no no so I think there's a little bit of a misunderstanding on that uh when Terrell Pace came up to that community meeting he explained what would happen if you had three failed millages three failed millages equals State takeover right and what he said was and I said this as well they will come in and they will fix what's broken and they will get their money back they will get it back through taking funding away from any program that is not academic football baseball softball basketball cheerleading drama things like
064that that are not part of the required core core graduation classes so they're going to get there they'll take the board away they'll take the superintendent away State appoints things like that no so they'll they can do it but they're going to get their portion they're going to get their 50% back somehow or their 44% back um they do not have a magic pot of money down there just to sit and take care of the building that's no so yes that is that just that was a bad rumor thanks for clearing that up just want to clear that up yeah but just clarifying the progress we're making right now yes with the upstairs absolutely the facilities division is pleased yes thank you for doing what we've asked you to do keep keep moving forward because
065the reality is even if we follow this plan we have kids in there for three more years absolutely and one of the things that you can see here that I've done I've uploaded all of the reports all of the invoices of everything that we have done thus far to the database so they they've got that docu those documents to show what we've done is this public knowledge people can get on there and I mean if they want a copy of it I can you know I can print out each component of it but um I believe most I believe everything is like the quotes and things we have in board minutes don't yes those are all in board that's all of that seen all all the same stuff we've seen it's all in our board
066yes it's all it's all well I'm sorry agendas can we make a tab on the district's website and start putting putting this information out there for people whatever information so we don't get 7 142 FAS I mean that's CU it's there it's totally up to y'all if you whatever you would like on there we can figure something out um maybe it's a facilities page yeah yeah that would be good on the facility let me look at that Chris we'll talk about that and we can pull certain components from the master plan like the narrative the projects things like that the um replacement stuff like that but what I want to make sure we do when we do that is I don't want the I don't want the replacement schedule put out there and they go
067oh my God there's $85 million worth of work that's got to be done at the at the campus right so we want to make sure that they understand this is planning only this is only for a spring board true so you have to be real cautious what you put out without a a good disa explanation yeah I like the idea of having a spot we can send people when we're out talking to constituents we obviously have to do some you know a lot of talking to our community to get our community on board and say hey here's the documents go look at them this is what we need and just have it out there make it easier yeah like the timeline of when stuff's got to talk to people and they have access to go
068look at it themselves it's just going to make everything a little bit easier so I can do that all right I'm going to find a good stopping spot so we can break for a little bit can I ask one more question we take the break you mentioned the third three failed millage as state takeover I don't recall that can you can you bring me up on that is that still in place now so if we run another millage and it fails no so that's the good thing and when you do a third millage you have to ask permission so I went to the director and I said this is what we're going to be looking at he goes no this is a whole different project you're doing it's a whole different application you're starting over
069so we're we're past that timeline gotcha thank if we were going down the same Rabbit Hole trying trying to do the same project and yeah but we're doing completely different okay thank you I don't recall that ever happening in the past do you state take over yeah we've had based on that oh based on that yeah no oh okay we've had some State takeovers based off of you know the facilities distress but not off of failed mges because usually they get to two and they're like I'm done and they start over hindsight's 2020 and we got think of a couple dozen reasons that it didn't work yeah you know so we barely missed it on the first one everything went up before we asked for the second one we didn't trim anything so it didn't
070pass the first time although it was narrow and $10 million to it and try it again so we set it up for failure all that it's a hard time and I think if we if we come back this time with a a trimmer you know a Slimmer project we're able to show the community we we're trimming some of this Christmas fat off and we're we're getting to just what we need um and then you know if our enrollment shifts and we have growth then we can add on we can do some other things you know um The Architects no matter who it is are great designing a building that you're able to come off of and continue the growth pattern on um I'm seeing a lot of districts going in together building or buying facilities
071and turning them into CTE centers you know so you may have you know think about who your closest neighbors are if that's Cotter and flippin or Melbourne um buying a building and say let's just have all our CTE programs there and we'll send the kids there you know so there's there's things out there that we can do um but we can trim fat and we can present a different plan to the community that they and make it very clear that they understand this is a different plan than what we tried before yeah yeah my understanding was you phase one was largely the this is what we have to have it's the classroom space and phase two was more of the wants the RP space the bomb squad the extra gym Etc you know what I've
072heard consistently is they would have supported if we done just phase one and then once we're out from the Hackler Bond he then come back in for phase two and fill up basically finish out the project um I think that probably would have gotten a lot more support you know so even just a plan like that hey this is the classroom space this is what has to get replaced the big top space and then once we're out from the Hackler Bond Etc hey let's look at finishing this out I think we can get some community support for a a sensible plan that would be a no tax increase correct it would just be keep the same thing you're doing the second time but we may not have to we definitely AR I mean you will
073make the final decision but um simplifying will even eliminate the need for I remember asking will plan by my office and I said how could we shave off $8 million he's like easy click click click get rid of the teid get rid of the bulletproof windows get rid of that fourth floor third floor whatever thatat yep I'm like that's what we needed to do it was a little too late well and now the windows that that Architects are putting in um are all temper glass so they're not bulletproof but they are shatter resistant so um you know you go up to that window and unload a clip on it and the Glass isn't going to fall so you can have access uh bulletproof glasses binging you know bounc it off is it ail don't need
074that we can use glass you know to to protect our schools um yeah all wood frame would be great and it's really pretty and stuff but no um you know we can do a pre-engineered metal building we can do brick and mortar so we've got some viable options and again a lot of that was you know what the previous administration wanted I want it to look like this I want that fourth floor Observatory you can look down on everybody and some of that we had if y'all remember they asked kids they talk to kids they talk to teachers and outdoor space was desired light was desired um some of those things were after talking in we get we can still get the light we can do natural lighting you know we can make a nice
075building MH we can make a really nice building that's going to for Millions excite kids excite teachers things like that I think anything would excite kids they got so excited over new cafeteria right yeah exactly so it doesn't take much after having something for so long yeah exactly broken and you know the people that we have to really work on are the ones that have kids in kindergarten yeah there there are going to be the babies that are going to be graduating you know from at the middle school and intermediate school kids so um you know it can be done and we can do it I I feel confident we can do it you know we just have to we have to be a unit we have to be together and behind it and behind
076each other um even if we say I don't want this or I don't want that okay what is the best for the kids you know what's the best choice for the kids um because if the board's not behind it we might as well not even go down to Rabbit ho right indeed all right anybody else we're going to take a little break eat and chitchat some more do I have to go into um recess recess and then bring back yall will eat and work at the same time 638 keep roll we'll come back e e e back in back in board all right no I was just need to let everybody know we back on TV no autographs please yeah not tonight you started out saying you had Chris do something yes so Chris wanted
077me to kind of um just kind of go over a little bit more of how the state looks at a district square footage okay so one of the things that do I mentioned the P what is wsd and dry warm safe and dry not to be confused with [Music] wmd I I wanted to tell yall what she's looking for this um I talked to Elisa earlier this week getting ready for a meeting last week I guess and she is a certified criminal uh crime uh certified safety yes so part of the learns act uh Governor Sanders um implemented in the learns act that school districts have a certified security planning consultant and I've gone through and I've taken 60 hours through the Criminal Justice Institute so one of the things that I wanted to do
078was for my districts to have this certific ation um and I talked with Jerry kefir at the safe schools Arkansas safe schools and with Dr Cheryl May at the cji and because I'm under contract with districts I wanted to make sure that I would be able to be that person for all of the people that I contracted with so what that person does is we will do I'll do the security audits you know every 3 years but also when we start looking at doing designing whether it's for a brand new school an addition or anything is looking at the design how it best can be done so to reduce crime so making sure we don't have blind spots and making sure that we don't have little alov that can be you know tuck way in
079the corner so I'm that I am that person for you all awesome so you can also consult so if we had a plan you would be able to consult on cameras and on cameras audio things like that of weapons detection or just decisions that needed to be made you could give sounds like we need to make an introduction yeah you know and the weapons detection deals are now she did our safety audit last year with that so that's a good thing okay yeah and I've seen I've seen really really good ones and I've seen really really bad ones and I do active shooter training and I've done the active shooter training on National stages and done them in conjunction with the FBI and with the state Bureau of Investigation um probably the most nerve-wracking was
080I did my active Jor training right before the superintendent of part um Parkland came the stage So and I've been doing that since 2013 um after Sandy Cook happened I like everyone else was glued to the television to everything that came out about it and I just took it upon myself and said I have to do something so I created a training program it's called how to be proactive in a reactive environment I don't tell teachers how to take down an intruder but I tell them how to protect their space I'll talk with them about things that they can do to help us to not get to that point you know um one of the things is is that when I was in and this is a story I tell when I was in fourth
081grade every day and every afternoon I would go see Miss Horton and I would get the greatest hugs and loving from Miss Horton and when I went to the fifth grade and sixth grade seventh grade because we were a K8 all the way up to 8th grade every morning I went to work every afternoon I went work until I had to go over to the high school school teachers don't do that hardly anymore they're afraid to you know because now they've got oh you hugg my child you're you know a pervert One Bad Apple has ruined it for everyone so so the teachers now instead of showing that love and taking that genuine interest in that child's life they put up the wall because they don't want their reputation and and rightfully so right um
082but by having that separation they miss the small things that could be the red flags you know when Coline happened and they went through uh Dylan Cleo's room and his home he had written an essay for English and he got an A plus on the essay and it was laid out on his desk and when the FBI started reading it it was a story of accounting a detailed account of his school shooting you got an eight plus the teacher didn't think that was a red flag so there are things that we can do so I've done that training since 2013 so I'm glad that I can do something along the lines with helping my schools want me to go get you know my um Reserve Deputy or the csso and I'm like y'all don't pay
083me enough not go in there like sh up Stu I just think with safety being such a priority for us that having her to help as we look through this is definitely Direction and the worst thing right now is just getting teachers to lock their doors hey we got a plan for that yeah that's right and they're doing better they're doing so good on that anyway but we've even got a plan that'll eliminate human error that's it so this is the P this is called a program of requirements and if I were to say we were going to have 100 kids in ninth grade 100 kids in 10th Grade Tony go eat Chris okay so we're going to have 500 kids in a 9 through 12 then this tells me the total required in funded
084square footage the minimum you can build is 7875 square ft that's as small as you can go what it also then does is it calculates here in this First Column the required number of certain rooms so this is again the minimum we can have we have to have 14 High School classrooms without exception now you want 16 that's great but that other 1,700 ft is on you um so this is where it helps us in identifying exactly what size we have to have what rooms do we have to have uh there's a lot of a lot of these rooms that don't trigger until you get to a, 500 or a th000 students like having three science labs you do have to have three because you're at 500 kids here but maybe having a vocal room
085that's a th000 kids right so you don't have to have a vocal room well we have a choir we need a vocal room okay that's that's going to become a want um now some districts I'm seeing now because they'll be like well I've got some growth over here at my elementary I need space there and I got to have space at the high school I want to do a grade reconfiguration okay District why so then what has to happen is the state says we're going to look at all of your square footage in the district right and then we're going to say okay you do have to have a new high school and that's high school has to be 78,000 sare ft and We've ran you've ran all these PS for your elementaries your intermediates
086your junior high school and collectively you have 20,000 Square fet too much now we're only going to fund you now 58,000 of that 78,000 so that's where you know yeah H so and that's when they want you to start looking at how you're utilizing the space you have um when I go to especially in elementary schools the principles will say well we don't have any room we don't have any room in here right but the district as a whole has opted to go smaller classes right they want to go with smaller classes instead of having 25 let's see what is it if I can see that uh 25 Elementary 1 through third grade 25 kids in a classroom we only want to have 20 that's fine but you're not utilizing your space to the full
087deal so now you're having to have another classroom right because you're running smaller numbers so it it gets it gets tough when I tell the district you got plenty of square foot you're just not using the way you're supposed to be using um if we want to take a building out of use and we want to either sell it or demolish it the first thing we have to do is UN take it out of being utilized let's say we did want to get rid of guy Berry it's the oldest campus we have we're going to sell it to ASU and they're going to turn it into dorms first thing you got to do is get the kids out and then it's got to go into that unused list that unused list then goes out to
088every Charter entity in the state of Arkansas Charter have the first right of refusal now if ASU says we want that building then I can request the state to give us a 30-day waiver the 30-day waiver they will blast it out for 30 days charter schools have 30 days to make an offer if no one makes an offer in 30 days the district is free to sell or lease whatever they want to do with how long do the kids have to be out uh you know I they probably need to be out for like a a year a year but I mean if you tell me that going into this coming semester in August we're not going to have kids over there then I would immediately change it to unused okay so it doesn't have
089to be that it's vacant for a year before we do anything it's just I they've got to be out of it you can't say we're not using it when the kids are in there okay so how to say the the north wing of Nelson wils the old Wing that's there I think it's been I don't know is the whole Space being used for um the preschool but is that empty space sitting there hurting us in terms of inuse District square footage it's in use it is in use okay it's in use for different thing it's in use okay and another thing and this is where I this is where you guys and community and teachers the governor the Secretary of Education the legislators are all big on early childhood education fre huge on it but
090guess what it's not considered academic space that hurts yeah because if we have a building that is used for prek and we need to add something they're going to go you got an unused building yeah right yeah or if you've got four classrooms in your if you got let's say you're using four classrooms at Nelson WIS for prek and you need more space they're going to go you've got four classrooms that you can use yeah so that's where we have to get the legislators if they don't want to fund it that's fine but don't penalize us for having it so that's where we really need all of you guys to really contact your legislators and go hey you've got to recognize PR as educational space yeah that's huge the same with the the storm shelters
091it's a requirement now but it's an unfunded mandate any good news any more good news let me see well it um when the USA Football Grant opens up I'm going to try to get us a grant for that for some new equipment I've gotten it for four of the district so I'm just waiting on it to open up so the high school's currently three GR levels what would it look like to move ninth grade down there to make it a four Grade Campus so would that be considered a grade A District reconfiguration the only change would the only campuses I would have to look at would be the junior high and the high school I only have to I only have to account for the campuses that it touches right but it makes sense it
092makes complete sense to do that and it may even make sense to bring eighth grade down if there if credit started eighth grade but or credit started 9th grade because you got we've got huge safety issue kids going back and forth walking so bringing ninth grade down makes total sense to do that so the governor has and the department and it is this is happening acceleration acceleration acceleration um they are recommending if a kids ready for algebra in seventh grade wow they take algebra in seventh grade for credit um you seeing not only acceleration but CTE has reconfigured we just got the got some information this week it was late last week big configur uh big reconfiguration of CTE um it makes a lot of sense to really think about putting your seventh and eighth
093grade at the junior high and your eighth graders stay at the junior high they're really would be no need if the introduction classes for CTE are now credit and they're happening in eighth grade we need licensed teachers for algebra for seventh graders it would it makes sense and it's making more sense my head's been spinning it makes sense real when I think about acceleration and the goals that folks are having you Mo your ninth grade down it's a nth grade academy it's not yes they are taking High School classes but we're providing for the OT social emotional needs of nth graders differently than we offer seniors so maybe it means you're having advisory more often to where you can meet with those kids um I really like the idea with what we're being asked to
094do now academically I did ask the high school principal I said what do you think and she goes half those kids are down here anyway during the day I I'd love to give give them to us all day you know let's quit this back and forth just give me the ninth graders so to follow up on what Mr sm's question was if we brought the ninth grade down to the high school that LE a lot of unused space at the junior high which would penalize us that unused space right so then you pretty much have to bring up the seventh grade up which is going to do the same thing to Pinkston so it's just it just continues flows back until we were out of the kindergarten building essentially or else we've got extra space
095that's going to penalize us well you would have empty space somewhere that we would have to make decisions about that the state's going to look at that unused space and say okay well it comes off of the space you're asking for partnership funding for right right so it's going to penalize if you say at that kindergarten building if you if you do want to get the kids out of guberry which is your oldest you can move them into the kindergarten building and they could become you Al M and it could actually become an Al Center for other districts in the area because not every district has an Al program but they got Al kids so you can have an Al Center for other districts around you and then you could look at selling um guberry
096if you use part of gyber does it penalize you you're using offices different things I'm just I'm wondering because I I know what Mr boo I think I know the direction you're thinking is by making this change are we penalizing oursel for partnership funding when really I mean right now the building has kids in up yeah does it penalize you to make the change I don't I mean I really don't know um if we move it out of academic that's what I yeah thank you if we move it out of academic so then it's not considered academic space and then you could you say you know three4 of it for storage and a quarter of it's for offices and then you can move the AL kids to somewhere else and that would not penalize penalized
097but you have to move it out to academic completely and we don't have to have made that move it's just hey this is the plan because this obviously wouldn't happen till three and a half years and what I would want to do in this and what I would want to do in this early stages of of of us planning is go ahead and get those PS for every campus in the district so that we can look at it and go by doing this one change one grade change it's going to wipe out all of our square footage that we would be eligible for right and we don't want that so I would rather do that on this early planning stages because what we can do then is you can always come back and move the
098high school the nth grade down after we build the high school because we are losing kids so we might be able to do some room juggling room configuration and things like that well that was going to be my next comment right you know those was one of the things I heard a lot of times is hey moving the ninth grade is something that we want but it's not a we need to replace the big top right I think it'll be an easier sell if we're trying to replace what we need which is the big top but have a plan later come back side of it the ninth graders academically oh there's need there's a good reason for it so I mean it makes sense academically to have those children down there and have a 4-year
099campus but how do you when I look at the other campuses like wils and Kingston you know we we're popping at the seams I mean they are getting full so I think that by doing this Shuffle we might be able to give some Lev we may not have that much overage anywhere you know we may need more square footage in fact in different places but I think that's something that I can't answer fully until I run those PS I think over the next next 40 years right you got to plan for 40 years for buildings we're going to need the space right we're we're slow and growing where were we at student population wise 40 years ago right now right where are we going to be in 20 years 30 years 40 years we're going
100to ultimately need the space we're growing we always are going to be growing but and and I've got this right here this PO that I just plugged in just for Grins and Giggles examples is a 9 through 12 even for me even from two years ago or three years ago when the board began planning for a new high school facility with replacing removing fixing phases the academic decisions are different now than they were then just in the past year I mean I I sat through when I was at superintendent Symposium early in the month um earlier this month it was they had a whole session on acceleration and Industry certifications you want kids to finish Pathways our programs of study for CTE all the they're CH it's changing and we need to be ready for
101that or we're going to have to we're going to have to put we're just going to keep busing kids and we know that that's not a great option either so you're going to save money just by not shuttling kids all day long every day and the safety aspect is is big but we'll be able to make the campus more compact if you build if you replace the big top because you have to occupy the big top while we're building something right if you add the ninth grade in there it may add a quarter more space so if you build what we repl placing the big top once the big Top's gone then you add in the ninth grade it allows the campus to be a little more compact probably than good I'd like to just
102kind of look at plans because I wonder that's what we're doing here today right eight classrooms is on I think you could do it in or less nth grade yes sir what's there now and I'm not sure I need to go back and count I'm not sure we don't have some classrooms that aren't being used all day you know there might be a teacher in there half a day or it may be a teacher that splits between two buildings will you no longer need the split between two buildings that classroom is already accounted for um I know one in particular is already down there a lot of the time there's space for them already so anywhere from 6 to 8 additional if I count it just doesn't take as much as we think it does
103it really doesn't this says that we only need 14 General classrooms for 9 through 12 what numbers you put in there you put 100 kids I did I was just yeah round 275 to 290 each one of the spots and give us a more accurate number isn't that about a right number got 285 yeah so 285 then for each one of those do we know how many other uh high schools in Arkansas were only 10 through 12 that's a hard question I could probably tell you how many are more K12 I've got a lot of K12 um is Conway they have they did for a while I think they moved them when they did REM it's just a very alien concept to me because in Tennessee every High School is like2 the the more I
104hear about what they're asking our ninth graders to do acceleration completion of the CTE Pathways it it makes sense they're high schoolers they're high schoolers they always have that um and math and science are the two that really I think the most about because you have more acceleration in math and science there are going to be some options for language arts but you can take AP classes now in ninth grade easily you can be getting college credit in ninth grade they're trying to get kids to get Associates degrees um I talked to a student today that said he goes from the high school to the junior high back to the high school back to the junior high okay that is not that's not good for any student to be that much shuttling it's just ridiculous
105so this says if we did the numbers like I did gives us 1,115 kids total required and funded to be 164,000 square ft what I would have to do is I would have to look at what is our uh existing space like how much space do we have that at the high school right now and then I take that and it then it tells me okay you've got this you need this this is how much you need but if you look here it'll tell you it's 34 General Ed classrooms two Kim Labs or two General Physics Labs one Kim Lab One Biol lab four prep rooms one storage so it goes all the way through three multi-purpose instructional rooms does anybody remember the number from last time I want to say it was 180,000 is
106what we currently had because I thought I remembered hey we're going to take down 80 I don't remember those see I remember the numbers I don't recall 100% if that was the case that would leave us with 60 something th000 64,000 eligible for partnership funding [Music] well 36,000 eligible because they say we're over districtwide building wide that's all we already know 36,000 is what is okay 37 is what they're willing to partner with it might give us a little bit more if we bring N grade now but that's where I've got to look and see okay we bring them down yeah we need more here but what's my what's my overage at Junior High well that's what we were just talking about we'd have to shuffle all the grades exactly that's where I got to
107look at everything those numbers count the junior the the nth grade being at the high school they did we added in the ninth grade numbers to that so right but want start now so we have this ready you know and we can do we can do planning sessions just like this where you know we can bring the principal up you know things like that and what I always say you know is bring up your your roster you know what your class schedule is and your teachers you know don't just tell me you need you know I want to look at your room you know when you think about it just let me give you an example a teacher that teaches an AP course may only have you know I've said you have to have 10
108at least but that's counting a teacher that in one class period might only have 15 kids so when it that 34 does it say 34 instruction classrooms is that what it says High School is one of the least efficient at least efficient groups uh Middle School super efficient right all high schools all thank you for clarifying all high schools um Elementary is pretty cut and dried you can have 28 kids in a fifth grade classroom you choose to not that's fine but just know the efficiency numers you can Mo up to 28 um middle schools generally are super efficient yeah they are the most efficient but high schools you're either taking chemistry Physical Science Biology zoology you know how many different options all of which are for credit and that's high school everywhere yeah that's
109not the more IP courses you offer yeah it's like I went I went with a Farmington on our last application cycle and they're wanting to try to do that grade reconfiguration we applied for a junior high and I had to go through their high school again measure everything and their high school is great but they've got like they have a whole wing of just counseling a wing and then they've got like you know 17 CTE programs state says you only have to have three right but I don't know anybody just offers three because we have gotten to the point now where we know not every kid is college ready but we got to get them career ready and so we're like you said we're pushing more towards that CTE offerings um districts now have a
110higher ratio of students on IEPs so they have to have more resource rooms whereas this state says you only need two resource rooms and I'm guessing that's based on like a 10% it's based off of yeah it's based off of a percentage of the student body so forward 160 160 and then the knock down is 84,000 that's what we currently have is to 160 thank you sir so like a special ed resource is only 450 sare ft two are required for 30 for a th000 students and above that's that's tough and we have more than that with classrooms most districts now are most of the districts that I deal with are running anywhere 17 to 25% students with IEPs we aren't quite there we're getting there in the elementary aren't the um special ed teachers
111going to the classrooms to work with the teachers but they're also have their own classrooms because they also pull kids they do both well I'm glad to hear that because that wasn't that way they're doing both so they have classrooms as well and then they try to give our special Educators classrooms at the high school even if they're just a not just even if they are only co- teing conferences paperwork pulling kids if they needed to so each special educator at the high school has a classroom I think I'm almost positive you know that's moving the ninth grade down can be the best idea in the world but if we don't have the community support for it we're just spinning our wheels and wasting our time so we have to come up with a plan
112that's going to get the support and get the approval we take this to the ballot say yes this is the plan that we want to support so um I think we all need to start talking with our constituents and seeing what I mean there's obviously we need to let them know why we want this what is needed and have it needs to be a give and take but ultimately if we can't get the support then we're wasting our time and I think people are probably predisposed because last year was recent enough that that's in everybody's memory still that we're starting behind the eightball by having a disc so well and I think I think one of the biggest things that you're going to get the the community behind you on us I'm bringing that down
113is the safety aspect of kids walking back and forth you know um let me come up one day and just put one in my car you know or how many of them can sneak off you know so we're really going to lean heavy on the community on that safety aspect and we're also going to lean heavy on the fact that they down here like you said taking classes so we're just trying to get them down here all day for safe for safety reasons they're already down here yeah plus the time it takes for them to walk down there and back and the weather ex conditions yeah exactly um do you know what path students usually take to get back in force between they right they shuttle they shuttle you walk at all though I mean
114if I guess if you miss the bus you might have to but they try and then there's cost to that for them not to I mean there's dollars to that you towards I was over there one day and the storm came up and the the kids from ninth grade needed to get back to ninth grade they had to wait they couldn't get out there it was pouring down rain and so you're losing time yes oh yeah there's a lot of points to that if people can open their minds to absorb it yeah I mean most most of the high schools that I deal with are 9 12 this doesn't change Athletics I mean they can still have ninth grade Athletics oh sure a lot we're worried about young kids with older kids but it's in
115a we're in a different time well the biggest thing there is um right now we have NS in class with high school students already yeah um because they are high school students right uh the other piece there that I I was thinking about we have a freshman Academy you have HHS you have cab you have acne and then you have a Freshman Academy and in that Freshman Academy you are meeting the needs of freshman because they're different than the needs of seniors with their advisory and with the way that we schedule and and things like that yeah and I I have seen that model you know if we could have a completely separate Campus of nth graders and have enough teachers to fulfill every single class that they need to take we've got enough building
116here that we're keeping that once we build the new building we can maybe move some of these out and then like one of these buildings that we're keeping will house the Freshman you know so then all they've got to go over there for is you know cafeteria or you know specialty classes so we've got options but they're yes they're pushing in anyway it's they're down there a lot I would say 50% I can get the numbers you'd need a bigger cafeteria like it would increase the eff the high school overall it would absolutely increase the efficiency of the high score overall just because that I mean that just makes sense it's essentially making one of those other Wings the 9th grade one of the existing buildings is the ninth grade you could on the back
117side you could we have enough move those into the newer space Clos with classrooms I mean it's it's not going to be any additional if you really look at what we already have make sure what we're using we're using efficiently I don't think you're adding many classrooms to what is under the big top right now I think that's what I'm trying to say take your number of classrooms that's currently under the big top I don't think you're going to need to add somewhere between four and eight maybe four maybe eight but it's not more than that and I haven't I haven't looked at their schedule or had the I haven't had the conversations yet to give you all an excitement I know you need two ninth grade English teachers you know you're going to need
118two more Math teachers down there I'm just thinking of classroom space you're going to need two social studies but we've got one social studies that's coming from the junior high already for half a day to offer psychology and you'll need two science teachers that's just in my simple math a teacher can have 150 kids a day 300 kids two math two English two science two social studies your CT folks are already there your health teachers already there your PE coaches are already there like I said it would require all the grade reshuffling is that I mean is that feasible having say kindergarten and first and Elson WIS like do kindergarteners and first graders do they I have not had this with the principles yet but I'm going to tell you my feelings on K and
119one together our TR first of all I love the Kindergarten Center I absolutely love the fact that our kindergarteners are able to start in a Kindergarten Center you know their building one of our toughest transitions for kids is kindergarten to first grade we have got kids that it takes nine weeks to get settled in a new building building with a new principal with a new drop off with a new cafeteria with new rules new recess new it is tough and if I had Miss Lawrence here she could give you firsthand she was there she she was there and it about week 10 she said I think I think we're going to be okay and if we had Miss K here she'd tell you the same story with neighborhood schools which is not what we're looking
120at right now I want to clarify that's not what we're looking at but think about your neighborhood schools that have k123 or K1 3 4 those children have the exact same procedures and expectations for four years very consistent for them it's consistency comfortable it's it's exactly school is their consistent the consistent thing in their life right they they know who's going to be there when they pull up in the car or in the bus um they know what the cafeteria looks like feels like sounds like My Librarian Is the same all those things putting and first grade together eliminates some of the transition that we are struggling with listen our students and I think if you talked to first grade teachers they'd be like this is tough I think if you've ever raised a child
121I can remember going from K in first grade was awful I'm not getting out of the car well it just it was just different scary kindergarten was like a fun place to go first grade was real you know I guess when you think sorry I didn't inter that's okay you're fine there's a lot of options right I guess so you could just one and just hypothetically like you could do K12 K1 and two at Hackler and put three and four at Nelson wils if you bring so we could make we can adjust to make sense like if that argument they say keep them together keep consist a good idea but we have other options I guess if you wanted to yes and I have not had any of these conv talk about it at all
122um with folks and so I hate to you know but I mean Scott I had never thought of that idea and that's a good idea and you create the the consistency that I've been talking about and begging for try to figure out um I will caution about selling guberry though I heard that go on I think that will cause a community uo yeah so I wouldn't I wouldn't throw that out and it can be used multiple ways if if we don't keep a there which like this are just early discussions mhm and I'm sure we'll get people will tell us hopefully tomorrow how they feel and that's that's a good thing yeah and they could probably argued both ways too you know I don't know what you hypothetically what would you get for guy Berry
123right hey let's use that pay down our existing debt I mean there's arguments both ways for that but I bet we can find use for it especially what guberry has already in it bases thought about njc or at gyber in jrc practice facility at gyber I thought about robotics at gy Berry I mean I've or at kindergarten if you moved you've got there's just so many options we are blessed with we sure ample options a lot of schools do not have that the G is a really need old building oh yeah really needle building and for the age of that building it is Fort KN you know I can tell you that we're not in the business of needle buildings we're in the business of academics yeah and if the facilities are not up to
1242025 stand standards for academics our kids are missing out yeah but that building can be it can be utilized with you know some Sweat Equity you know he can be turned into a CTE Center he can be turned into offices I hear education things like that even adult de is literacy sky's the limit well kind of you throw it out there till you get shot down Alisa what would you say the next step is so I think the next step is is that you know you guys collectively decide are we going to go forward with Moto Studios and Gregory construction and then after that we need to probably have a good work session we can do it you know from the evening or we can do it on a weekend have our principal here have
125our architect here I don't think we need Gregory at this point um and really just kind of start shaping out get some good white boards start writing out what do we have to have what do we need and what do we want and how can we take what we've got and start trimming the fat on it okay I think we could probably agree on step one about architect probably right now I mean does anybody on the board need to talk or you know about that we need to make a change there or not I mean I've heard nothing but consistent good feedback about Josh um as long as I'm knew but I mean you've got the work I mean if he's I mean if he's willing to say we need to change this if he's
126going to say Roger that I'll go make the changes it doesn't matter what architect unless the architect's pushing back against and well I don't want to do that you know but if you have an architect that's willing to work with you then there's OB there's a distinct advantage to using the one that knows this facility already and he's kind of like us I think you know he's he's invested so many hours and that he wants to see it done he wants to see something good for the district and the kids okay so I hear a positive go forward with Greg and mo set up with modus we need to take a vote on that can we do this next board meeting you we'll have to approve a contract at the next meeting agenda you guys
127do that um Miss D if you'll let me know then I can shoot over some dates and you know would you guys want to do another evening or would you want to do an afternoon on a weekend or I like evening tell us what you what works best for you evening's fine I I can make you I can make anything work okay out there we need to make it as convenient for our community to get involved and attend as well too right so middle of a day on a work dad say no weekends perhaps evenings yeah but I think the first one let's get with our our princi and you know before we have that next meeting he can make up his list of who's teaching what you know yeah and then we can start
128kind of going okay this is what we've got already can we trim it down and and start from that point um and guys listen it's there's options there are options you um just a quick phone call with um Josh whatever the question was asking I said can we put this where the bomber is can you move the bomber and so all you are looking at is that metal roofed part of the building I was called the wrong thing PMB PM P pre-engineered metal pre-engineered metal so everything else stays it maybe gets a facelift just because it will probably need a new entrance some of our places may need a new entrance if you put it there but Josh said you can put it there you can do two stories that's a three stories MH um
129it can match the brick that's already there like I said some things would probably need entrances and I said okay what about parking lots he said there are people you know what kind ofine is that is what I ask civil civil engineer comes in and does Logistics figures out where you go guys how many students do you have how many teachers do you have that locks down that place like nobody's business I mean yes you will have a courtyard type thing in the back but you can fense it yeah I agree there's no limit right you know I'd looked at once between the gym and dunar where the bombers at you draw space there there's like almost 13 ,000 Square ft right there you know one of the big arguments was tearing down the library
130last time hey it's a functional Library why are we tearing this down well I understand the argument was so we have space to build the new phase one maybe there's another option to build it there and you could whatever you want to visualize hey the parking space is there where the big top is could be parking lot as well too right there's I mean this is where we need people who actually know what they're talking about and what's possible and let's let's figure this out move the bom you can move it closer to bomber Boulevard you can move that you know you can put your if you can't get your cafeteria and your practice gym and your initial building it can go where the PE MB was and connect and you can wait a year
131so you can still have class which was a huge deal if I my understanding is correct one of the things that this the board who made this original plan was don't put kids in trailers if you can help it and try do the least to interrupt a child's education and a plan like that would allow you to have school just keep roll keep about doing just that or we reducing any entrances to any buildings we would be yeah okay yeah I mean and we've got somebody to help us to make sure yeah you build it there where the bomber currently is like you're bringing all of that in you're narrowing all that in we and then you're can do fencing in between your buildings and you got to secure they may be able to connect
132it I don't know you have a brand new brand new entrance and mainentrance for parents you'd probably have to have a new entrance for dunar and you probably have to have a new entrance for the that helps me that's where I was trying I was I was thinking we're not reducing anything okay you are will I mean I think that's I'm going to say that that is another priority of this boards is not to have H many entrances that oh absolutely yeah think about that if you had an entrance where they went through entry Shield doors and then routed to dunar or the gymnasium the the split is inside rather than where you you walk in one front door and for everything for every event that would be huge I greatest need yes there's lots
133of options lots of opportunities and um but if we start now we can get to that early review so we'll have a contract is that correct I'll need to talk to Josh and see about a contract for the February board meeting as an action item for you all to look at um and then set up if approved work session we'll do a work session after that we have a first work session light February well if it's a February yeah so we can do first meeting in March and I'll get [Laughter] me missed you so did you guys played laser tag all day yeah well I've got this great thing when I first started doing this back when Jesus was a baby I had 100t measuring tape M oh they have this gadget go stick it
134on the wall it goes and then it tells me immediately what my square footage is so I still don't have to use algebra which you can now what right right so I can I can quickly like lean into a classroom get it on the wall and get that measurement and the kids don't even have to there you go cool so what are we talking about for an architect next month to October based on previous experience what 200,000 300,000 is that what we're talking about kind because he's already familiar with it it's not well you also so you can take out some large too all the engineering's done surveying all way that whole that that's one of the Great you can say can I put on the bom can I put on the football field all
135that stuff all the ground work all that engineering that kind of okay between the changes we made last time and you know those were plans that were supposed to be if the village passes how do we get it up as soon as we don't your new plans are going to be a longer you know less you're going to need help me at Le I don't mess this up where is it going what's being demoed supp four yeah what are the classes so that's smaller um the last ones are also two Mill where we went from we want this now we want this changed because some things change but I got we had complaints that no one got to see what phase two was so then we build phase so I think it's going to be
136and I can pick his brain a little bit okay try to get you'll never firm that'd be great to know for that February me what are we talking to spend to get yeah I would I would assume that this will be just kind of like last quite a bit less but then if the if we do a Mill and it passes you're going to make it up sure you'll do do an amended contract once the millage passes and then he may do the initial on an hourly basis and then when the millage passes and we go under contract then it's a percentage you everything's been measured the they do the real architectural planning after the design PL go um um this would come out of building fund standard fee is is 6% for an architect
137you know you just can't talk to them about it yeah yeah we can't talk to him about can't get him down interesting role but that's the if well you can you can negotiate if that's who you want to use neate but you can't hire based on based on the Fe okay so he'll probably give us something like we had the last time Chris is that what I think the only thing that I we had him a little bit differently in addition um I wanted to make sure you were all good with this we still have to fix the big time stand PPE stuff like that I didn't want to find out that if you wanted to go somewhere else but I had two architects working the same one so you might see like new phase
138plus standing you know the have you got no but it sounded like it was enough that it's uh going to take an architect has been architect I think I think the stand man oh man that we still had kids if you look at our dates I don't think that we will for years if you were to not get a millage or I mean the village doesn't pass and we haven't done it day it still be years you could get the plans done and wait we could get the and the plans would show progress right I'm talking about the stand ppes right now let's kind of work on the my biggest fear would be they show progress you you have a certain dat that that has to be done if you were like I don't want
139to do here's the millage and then we lose a millage and then don't have enough time to do that and then we're trouble distress so if you had go ahead like you said plans for the stand pipes so we'd be ready just to theop which is not as much as the stand ups the plans would not be but it does show progress towards what they've asked us to do which we're doing right now and they they're good with us right now they're good smoke detectors February 46 or6 yes smoke detectors first a little chilly up there I bet it was a little ch this isn't necessarily something that should affect what we do just thinking forward if we do this in February right we're going to come May we're going to have at least two
140more board two new board members and maybe three we're committing them to this plan that we're agreeing on now and we're going to make it a campaign issue for these three seats now saying we that needs to change what we're doing what we're talking about it's just something he to be aware of we're going to make this an issue for that election and it may be a good thing to make this an issue for the coming election I them they say they're not suppor but it's going to be it's going to be something that that it becomes an issue for these candidates for these seats to do you think it would have been I'm just going to ask do you think it would be an issue whether you all went ahead or not like whether
141in February you did something with an architect I think the question would be asked to somebody running anyway I think whoever runs should know this is on the radar I mean we've been talking about this for years it's not like it's going to go away MERS up for election every year so never make decision possibly Daniel we have seats one two and three we're not committing two possibly we're making a decision that well just because you get new board members they can't go back and second guess well no then you never have anything done at any time no you've just got to keep goinging a principal hire principal in February that a new board member do go yeah but it's a lot to take because you are the sitting board right now but I agree
142it will become an issue I think it's a good thing issue people to talk and talk to $300 M no 350 do y'all have any more questions for I know we can get a hold of her fairly easily yeah my phone number and email are free to everybody so thank you for coming in this nasty weather please be careful going you are getting board training hours for this because Alisa is also a certified board whatever tra certif certified something certifiable she can give you our that beautiful we're going to hit that Pinnacle soon in January you're almost there you're halfway done I think when you come and you start measuring we need to have you're there students Shadow that's a great opportunity yeah they better be fast that's fine but they they need to see
143and there's some schools because part of that learns act as well was that districts provide with all of the local law enforcement First Responders with detailed maps of the school so what a lot of schools are doing is they're actually having their e slab kids create maps and and things like that we be a good project that's that's great good all right well cool um let's let's build a school this let's go let's build a school this I think we'll have the community support I think the only thing after you guys do the vote on in February for the architect I think is to really kind of think about moving the kids down M and how we want to have that look I'll pull all my stuff me question do you want to he for
144the vote so you can ask any questions Josh I don't feel the need do you um I tell you what once we get the action Autumn ready yeah once you look at the contract if you have questions or think that we need to um invite him I know that he'd be willing to come if you all but maybe you can see the contract first kind of like look at the action item and see if it's CLE or not if it's not we'll bring it does that sound good yes ma'am okay all right any more questions before we ajour