001All right. So, it is November 13th and we're here for our regularly scheduled board meeting. So, I'd like to start with the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. And I'll follow that with a moment of silence. Amen. All right, Mr. Martin. Welcome to our November board meeting. We always start out with the consent agenda, financial board minutes. Are there any questions regarding those? Okay. With that, I'd like to make the recommendation that the consent agenda financing board minutes of the regular board meeting and the special hearing held on October 9, 2023 be approved as amended. All right. So, we have a recommendation. Do we have a motion?
002I'll motion. Motion by Sarah. Do we have a second? Second. Second by Ryan. Any further discussion? All in favor? Any opposed? Okay. Up next is probably the best part of the meeting is where we start where we talk about our students and staff, the success and recognition they have. Um earlier this year we were notified that the intermediate school was um recognized as a school on the move. And our middle school was recognized from OP for for growth. And we told you last month they'd be coming here to present on that. So that's what they're here to do. So we have the intermediate team and team from the middle school to present and they do a fabulous job. So we'll go ahead and turn it over to Miss Bolan and her staff. Okay. Yes. I
003brought um some of our team leads because I told them you would much rather hear about the work from the people doing the work um than me. So just a little background. So we are one of the schools on the move towards excellent. That's based on our ESSA index. Um the ESSA school rating index is based off of five areas. The weighted achievement growth, language proficiency, graduation rate, and the school quality student success indicator. So um that's like attendance and things like that, reading on grade level. So schools on the move for excellence are chosen or you get that award because you fall into one of these three categories. So we increased a letter grade and a school index score of at least five points. So, we'll go over kind of how that happened. So,
004we moved from a C school to a B school, which is very exciting. We were one of 11 schools to make this move. Um, the primary was another one of the 11 schools. So, in P Ridge, we had two of the 11 schools in the state of Arkansas to make that move. Um, our ESSA growth was 5.43 points. So, we went from 74 70.45 to 75.88. um our ESS score was greatly impacted by the student growth on ACT Aspire. So of those five categories, our growth score is really what pushed us up to the points. So you can see we have our growth value added growth scores for all students from 21, 22, and 23. So you can see we've gradually continued to grow kids along the way. A part that I'm super proud of
005is we've also grown each of our sub populations. So we have the Hispanic, Latino, white, economically disadvantaged, English language learners, and students with disabilities. And so each category has shown growth over the last three years. This is the part that they get to talk about. So this is where they did the work. Um, when we found out, we celebrated and we talked about how that's not just one part of our building that does the growing. So, it's not just classroom teachers. We've got people in keyboarding that work on how to type quickly so you can get your writing responses done. Um, things like that. So, they're each going to talk about a component that helped us get where we are and then we'll talk about what are we doing now that we've gotten there. So,
006first we have Jessica Wood is going to talk about PLC. They'll just tell you their names and then they'll talk to you about their little section. All right. Um, okay. So, this year or last year with the PLC process, um, we really focus in on the four questions, um, of what we want kids to learn, um, how we know they learned it, and last year we really focused on that intervention piece. So, what do we do when they don't know it? Um, and so you'll see that through our win times and the different things they did for small group assessment that we really focused on those low students. This year our focus is on enrichment as well. Um, so we're looking at what do we do when the kids do know the information because we
007are getting them um a little bit higher than we have and so we're working on extending um on grade level standards within our classrooms. And what is your name? I'm Jessica Woods. I'm Jayen and I teach third grade at the intermediate teaching path. Um just we've been nominated as the team leading and so we facilitate the conversations during the PLC meeting. Um and those communicate those conversations have started to be more teacher le in in the PLC times kind of cool to see that transition. My name is Hannah. I teach fourth grade literacy. Um so this is our fourth year implementing Whiten Wisdom in illustrative math which has been huge. um it sets up our lesson so we don't have to spend as much time planning that part and we can spend more time focusing
008on the data from our assessments which then we can use for intervention and enrichment. Okay, I am Lindsay Gers and I teach fourth grade math. Um each grade level team works together to develop common assessments that are tied to our specific essential outcomes. Um they then get together um and discuss what mastery of the essential outcomes look like um for the students. I'm Megan Ballard. I'm fourth grade literacy. Another thing we do is win time which stands for what I need. Um it's where we take the opportunity to personalize and differentiate our instruction for all of our students. So we do this through remediation plans, intervention plans, and um encouragement plans. And then for map data, I didn't have enough of them, so I'm picking up the ones that they choose. For map data, we
009really look at the correlation between when kids come from second grade, like where are they at and whenever we get them in the fall, did they regress over the summer? Did they gain over the summer? We saw really actually good gains this year on our fall assessment, which was exciting for us. Um, and then in the winter we'll take another one, and then spring, we'll take another one. So that just kind of helps us monitor like we have the CFAs throughout, but it helps us monitor on a different level whether or not the kids are making progress. So like I said, we celebrated with the big announcement. We had the party poppers and party horns and I think cookies or something. Yeah, they'll remember the students. That's a little bit hard for us because only
010about half of our kids even know what we're talking about whenever it comes to ACT Aspire because our third graders have not taken that. They've taken that. So they know when we goal set for map testing, they know the importance of that. So that's more where our celebrations with them come from just because they don't have the experience yet of that. And so our fourth graders can understand it because they've taken it, they know what it means, all that. Our third graders, like I said, we just kind of celebrate the math ones along the way and then try to explain to them what the difference is when we get to the test in April. Okay. And where are we going? So we're super excited that we got that. Um, but if you know me and
011you know them at all, that was really great, but now what? So, like we're not ready to just sit back and enjoy. We're ready to push forward. And so, um, the next piece for us is the achievement piece. So, we've we've gotten kind of a good formula for growth, it feels like, but now we've got to take those kids that are achieving and continue to push them higher. So, I can kind of talk to you a little bit about what that looks like. Um, my name is Julia Rafuer. I teach fourth grade math. I'm also the building learning coordinator for the intermediate school. Um I'm going to talk to you about our guide coalition team. So we are a group of teachers that lead the change in our building. So we dedicate ourselves to improve
012the foundational system that um and the structures that we have in place to ensure that we meet the school's goals and our mission and vision as well as meeting the needs of all of our students. Um, we're committed to making positive changes and focus on that long long-term success. Just because we're making gains, that doesn't mean we stopped and we continue to strive for what is that next that Miss Bolan had talked about. So, and along that again, rigor checks. So, a big thing for us is making sure we're teaching to a high level um all the time. So sometimes it's really easy with as many transitions as we have in the district to not know where kids are coming from, but a lot of that has come from collaborating with the primary school with
013second grade and saying, "Okay, how far did you get them and where do we need to pick up and run next?" So um that's been a really big focus for us this year as well. Um academic and social behaviors. So as you raise the rigor, sometimes kids don't appreciate that when we see behaviors. So working with them on what it means to persevere when a task is hard. Um and how do we respond when we don't get it right the first time. Um so that's a lot of a lot of shift that we're making this year as you raise the rigor and behaviors start to climb. How do we address that at the same time? So we're working through that with you'll hear about that a little bit with our MTSS system. Um we have
014accelerations and incentives. My name is Brandy Newsome. Um, you know, one thing that I can say being new to this area and new to the district, what a great shift in perspective it has been for me to see all the wonderful things that are in place at the intermediate and at the middle school. Uh, one of the things that I wanted to talk about is the academic incentives that the teachers have. Like an example in math, they do multiplication masters. So once the kiddos reach that checkpoint, the teachers have incentives for them. Of course, incentives are super exciting. Um, our literacy teachers are providing pizza parties for the classes that read the most. So, lots of good things in place. We have an attendance committee. So, our last professional development day, so part of our
015ESSA score is attendance. Um, so really meeting with those parents and talking to them about how important it is for your child to be at school. Um, because at our level, that's really not up to the kid as much. And so we made phone calls to each parent that their child had missed five or more days um for the first nine weeks and just talk to them about how important it is and what kind of barriers were there that maybe we could help eliminate for them. Um I'm Madison Holiday, the school counselor at Peter Media. Um and like Miss Bolan mentioned earlier, MTSS team is our multi-system multi multi-ter support system um process and team basically when a teacher has a student who needs a little bit more support in the classroom. That could be
016academically or behaviorally. They will refer them to our team and then we'll come together and sit down and really look through all the data and everything going on in the classroom to see what we can do to best support them and help them be more successful in the class. So, that is kind of where we've been and then where we're going. See if you guys have any questions for us. I don't have any questions, but I know Brian and I had the privilege of walking. was it last week or the week before um the the intermediate and actually seeing um some of these things in in place and how you could seamlessly go from one class to the next class and same things content was being taught but the different spins the teachers were putting
017on it. So guys it was very inspiring. It was great work. Ryan, you got anything? Yeah, I' I'd say the the student engagement that I saw was like that was great and the collaboration in instruction uh you know, it doesn't surprise me that we've moved from a B toC. You can kind of see that in place. So, appreciate the invite. U great and you know, all five of the metrics I'm sure are super important, but to knock it out of the ballpark on growth, that's that's awesome. Absolutely. So, thank you guys for everything you're doing. We appreciate it. Good job, guys. Okay. So, here is about our middle school awards. We're very proud of it. Is our OEP growth awards. So, OEP growth awards are for outstanding educational performance awards. Um, it is solely based
018on academic growth for middle level grades. So, it's 5 through nine. we were against like junior highs and things too. Um it's based on ACT Aspire growth data is all that it's based on and it's separated into state rankings and regional rankings. So um some of the data that we were that helped us get these awards um so our English um ACT scores went from 67% to 71% for fifth grade. Reading went from 35% to 37%. Um so we saw lots of growth there. Another growth area that doesn't go into the award, but that we think is very important for us to look at is if you look at sixth grades, when those same students were in fifth grade, they were at 67% and when they got to sixth grade, they went to 74%. So
019that tells us that we are growing those same students. Um, in reading, it went from 35% to 44%. And in math, we went for fifth grade. In fourth grade, they were at 41%. They went to 55% by the end of fifth grade. And for sixth grade math, you can see the growth from 22 20 22 to 23 was um 2%, but also from fifth grade to sixth grade, they went from 57% to 73%. So um you can see from this data why we won our awards that I'm about to tell you about. Um, we got best overall growth scores for 2023 and we were ranked number 16 in the state of Arkansas for the middle level school. Um, we also got fifth grade or fifth in the state for math growth and fourth in the
020state for Northwest Arkansas for our region. So, we are very proud of those. Um, some of the celebrations we have from it, we did have our staff meeting. I think we had cookies also. So, we love those. um we did some student announcements. Now to the students, they still don't understand that growth from year to year as much. So one thing that we do with our students to work on growth is that map data also um throughout the year as they grow on their map data. We have incentives. We have happy wagon. Last year we did silent disco for those that grew on their um map data from the beginning to the end of the year. Um if you've never done silent disco, it's super fun. Um this year we're putting in our house points.
021Um and they're getting house points as they grow on map data. They're also getting house points as they achieve proficiency on their essential standard. So um those are some of our celebrations. Now some of the work that our staff did last year, don't worry, they're going to come up and share in just a minute. But um we did work really hard on our PLC process with our team leads and our building learning coordinators. they took more of a lead in the PLC process and in their teams and ownership to to guide their teams in that. Um we started feedback Fridays last year and we had classroom observations. Um we have taken that one step further this year but that was a really good start last year that I help think helped our growth. Um we
022have curriculum implementation of widowism I am um essential standards. We really nailed down what our essential standards were and where we're teaching those. Our proficiency scales, our teachers understood what the students needed to be proficient at to show proficiency on those essentials. Um, we did vertical alignment throughout the grades and throughout the different buildings as Mindy mentioned as we transition through um to see what standards that we needed to continue as we go. And also our win time was based on intervention needs and on our data. Now what I'm most excited about is for our teachers to come up to share where are we going from there. Um because standing with this growth is not enough. So come up. I'll let them introduce themselves as they speak. My name is Bobby Dawson. I teach sixth
023grade social studies at the middle school. I think I've had everyone's Um, but when we talk about our win time enrichments, it's not just enough to grow the kids that need the most intervention where you get the most bang for your buck, but the idea that kids already come into us and they are above what grade level is. We need to continue that growth pattern. And so adding extensions during our win time, making sure that our genius hour matches uh uh building content rigor whether you're doing research and reporting on that deciding what is a credible source versus an incredible source or you know validating those sources uh and then reporting on those to the classes. That has been a major major focus this year is building on top of what we already have. So
024as they come into us and they have higher higher grades and higher uh percentile levels, we want to make sure that they continue on that same trend so their growth scores help the overall um with target standards and curriculum. We really worked this year on our tier one curriculum and making sure that we understand why we're doing each assessment. So we started um this summer with that work with all four of our core content teams and have continued that this fall. um our teachers are working to identify what we are assessing on on our big standards, but then working backwards. So each time they look good for a lesson, we're identifying what exit slips can we use to pace out, what um cool downs are we using to be very um specific and intentional about
025what we are assessing kids on and how we're teaching them throughout the unit. I'm Carrie Snider. I teach sixth grade math at the middle school. Um it's been really exciting. I've been there seven years now. Same grade level, same content. It's been really exciting to see over the years like this vertical alignment that we've been working so hard for, it's it's working. Like I see the fruits of K through 5's efforts. And so students are coming to sixth grade more prepared to learn at grade level and higher. And so because we have those opportunities in the classroom, this year at the middle school, we're taking that opportunity, that time to actually provide tier three interventions. So that is for students that are have some gaps or some holes in their previous grade level understanding that
026it's going to give us time to kind of fill those gaps and those needs. So it's been really exciting. My name is Kyle T. Lar. I also teach sixth grade math with Snder over here. Um so you know last year around this time the middle school came and we talked to the board to share some of our successes and the message was that we're not done. So, I'm super excited that we're back as well. Um, to share our new successes and our new goals. Um, one of the things that we're doing to to push further ahead is we're making sure that we empower our students to take ownership of their own learning. We want students to to be a part of that process. I mean, obviously they're learning, but we want them to take ownership
027of that. And that work started with proficiency skills during the summer. We looked at the new Arkansas State standards and we started saying, "Hey, what does mastery look like at a fifth grade level? What does mastery look like at a sixth grade level?" and we started breaking down those standards into the specific learning targets. So here are the pieces that students need to be able to do in order to master this entire target and we build proficiency skills from scratch based off the new standards and then we put them on the desk of students and we brought them into that process. So now when students take an assessment they go through and they look and see, hey, I've mastered this one. I've mastered this learning target, but I'm still working on this one. And so
028it's creating that ownership. And then they took it a step further and students led parent teacher conferences during the fall. They took those proficiency scales and they sat with their families and their parents and they talked about, hey, here's my grade and here's why. Here's the things that I got and mastered. Here's what I'm still working on. And those conversations were awesome to hear and I know our teachers really really enjoyed it. We're working to build that sense of self-efficacy. We want our students to say, "I can do this. I will do this. My teachers are here to support me, but I got this and this is my education. I'm going to take ownership of it. That's where we're going next. Um, we've also we've also really worked on learning walks in both the intermediate
029and the middle school um and aligning throughout the district. So, the others are working and we're trying to make sure we understand what good instruction looks like K12. Um, and so we've been able to take our teachers across buildings to make sure that we are losing some of those gap those transitions. Um, these learning walks are also helping because they are no longer just a new teacher thing. Um, every teacher in our building goes on learning walks each month or um, quarterly and we're working on improving instruction because we are teachers. We constantly want to grow. Um, and so making sure that we focus in on how each of us can grow each time, whether that's instruction, whether that's classroom report, um, or specifically win time and longer instruction. I'm Melissa Chill. I teach special
030education at the middle or no middle school, sorry, flashback to another school. Um, so on the academic and social behaviors, um, we met over the summer and we s set up sore expectations and sore expectations are safe, on task, accountable, and respectful. And we set up for every section of the school the expectations that we wanted to see our students model and show us throughout the day. We even set up videos to model for our students what it what it looked like and what it didn't look like to help motivate them and ensure that they are following our expectations. We set up the house system that Juan Clark designed and our kids are really buying into it. They it is developed a family per se with our students. They look at each other and they're
031like they see somebody on their in their house not doing what they're supposed to. They're like, "Oh, you know, remember soar. We get points if we can soar." So, it's been a real joy seeing their academic and social behaviors grow and I just really excited to see them continue this grow. So, the last piece um perseverance is the key to success. So, although we are so happy to be back here again, we are going to continue to keep pushing our students and look forward to the growth for next year. Any questions? Oh, guys, thank you. Thank you very much for what you're doing. We appreciate it. Couple weeks ago, we had our college and career fair and we have Miss Jackson and Miss Barrett who um who helped lead the way in that charge of
032making sure that that was successful event kind of share what was going on that day. Hi, I'm Alex Jackson. It is such a privilege to be able to represent the team that it took to both pull off this event. College and career fair is an essential event for Pidge High School and Pidge Junior High. Two reasons. Number one is that it brings opportunities to our students that they don't get exposure to consistently. When you think about Pidge School District as the number one employer for our area, it's important that we bring opportunities to our students. It's also important for our stakeholders, the people invest in our students, the people that hire our students, people that want to learn more about what we're doing each day. We want them to feel uh welcome in our facilities.
033Yes. So, we are so excited to talk to you all about this event that we held. Um, this is the second largest event at your high school after graduation. So, it was super exciting to gather together as a community. We had over 50 colleges, recruiters, and businesses that were able to attend. Um, we also had some extras this year. We added virtual reality. We added head shot. And we added raffle prizes for our students. I was really proud of our headshot team. Those are our communications interns. There's 10 of them. and they were able to get our students to be able to pause, take a moment, whether they're adding it to their LinkedIn or maybe to a scholarship application that they were able to capture those important moments for our students. We had three keynote
034speakers last year. We had one and it was amazing, but this year our focus was that we wanted people that were relatable. We wanted our students to be able to immediately connect and we wanted it to connect to every single kid. So that's why we knew we had to have three. Our motto is employed, enlisted, and enrolled. And so we were excited to be able to highlight Abigail Fipps, who's actually a teacher in P Ridge. Um she was able to talk about her experience as a college student. She was able to talk about um what it means to have that diploma plus experience. Whether you're going to University of Arkansas or maybe down to UCA, we want our students to be able to launch into new passions whenever they are done on our campus. We
035had a recent graduate, Chandler Snow, representing the Marine Corps. He did an interview with Emily from Hawaii. And so being able to plug him in and being able to show our students that this is what it looks like. These are all the opportunities that you have was really incredible. And we were able to supplement that time with Jessica Lford from the Navy. And then for employed, we had Ken Ali who is um from Northwest, Arkansas. She was one of my students and she is the owner of the Bold Cobblestone. She's got a large social media presence and she was able to talk to our students about entrepreneurship and um what it takes to start uh your own business. Yes. So, as you can see here, Raising Canes, this was our premier partner of the day.
036So, Raising Canes was able to cater lunch for all students and staff. Um they also did mock interviews. So as students were browsing our vendors and browsing the people that um came to join us on this day um they were giving interviews on the spot and we are proud to say that actually four of our students were hired that day. So that is a plus in our eyes. Great. On that same note, we were able to have our interns make a button for the people that we're hiring now. So, our students that were not just thinking about their future, but kids that needed employment immediately, we gave them each a button. So, our local um business partners like Sonic and Domino's, Walmart were able to, excuse me, uh let know they're hiring now. These are
037just a few pictures from our day. We were very excited to be able to showcase the new furniture in the quad that is a very unique space. And through a partnership with the Walton Family Foundation, the college and career classes are able to do three classes at once, 10th, 11th, and 12th grade every single day. The flexibility in the furniture and the teachers being able to work so close as a team allows them to give our students the flexibility in their learning. So, it's not just depending on their grade level, but depending on where they're at with these essential skills that they need for the next part of their life. Yes. So after the college and career fair, um the CCR teachers sent out a survey to our students um and 92% of our students
038um claim to be either employed, enlisted, or enrolled. Excited about that confidence. Yeah. Yeah, when you're thinking about what does that look like, where are students headed, we've been pretty consistent with about that 70% marker of our students that are seeking enrolling in whether a 2-year or four-year degree program or even a trade school. 20% employed, 7% undecided, and then just three at enlisted. So, what's next? Obviously, we had an incredible event. Um, kind of looking towards our spring semester. Um, we have more campus visits, um, competitive events coming up, our monthly programming. So, every month we'll have what's called senior roundup where we invite seniors and their families to come on campus. And we talk about um, things that are coming up in their timeline towards graduation. Um we do this with our CCR
039team every month and we put a lot of planning and effort into making those events um work for our students. Um we also have a hiring event and this is going to be a new thing to be rich and we're going to test it out in the spring and invite some of those vendors back who were hiring at the college and career fair um and provide that opportunity to our our student body as well. So when we're thinking about that 7% of students that are undecided and not just them but also that 69% that think that they are going towards college, we want them to feel very confident. We want them to have every tool and we want them to know about scholarships and job opportunities. So we're really looking forward to continuing our partnership
040and we're looking forward to showing you what's next for this graduating class. So I did get the privilege of attending that event. It was very well put on and and I made a post on my social media and business and industry training made a comment that said, "We attend a lot of career fairs and this was one of the most wellorganized events we have ever seen. Congratulations on a great event." So, awesome. I wanted to share that with you guys. We got some other fivestar reviews and we were really excited to be able to show those. Um, it really was a well oiled machine. we figured out how to really put this on and it is a lot of different pieces, a lot of flexibility from the high school staff and a lot of our
041um program teachers being able to come together to showcase not only what they do in their class but also their programming. Thank you. That is awesome. Thanks. Good job. I know it's not on the agenda, but before we move on, I know we had a volunteer. We had a day at the primary, the fall festival, and I wanted to make sure we had a lot of student volunteers from intermediate, middle, junior high, high school. I mean, they the gamut. I wanted to say thank you to to all of them for for coming and volunteering their time to make that a successful event from our students. I mean I do you know how many Miss Bennett? It was a lot. I'd say they were between 20 and 38 students. So just make sure that that we
042recognize those students too for their time and and efforts with those little. So I appreciate them. Absolutely. Next month y'all will be hearing from the primary and the junior high. They're going to talk about visible learning and the impact that it's having in their buildings. Can't wait. How exciting. Hey, what what month u as a followup? What month are we going to visit the middle school? because I think it'd be great when we do that visit to look at some of those essential standards and proficiency skills they're talking about just to kind of get our hand head around it. I think I'm planning your next visit to be a secondary one but then we can follow up with the middle school maybe March or something. Perfect. Awesome. I guess that guys thank you all very
043much for everything you're doing for our students and for the district. We appreciate you. [Music] and half the room cleared out. Yeah, I really appreciate him being here. I do too. Have families. Absolutely. Absolutely. All right. Up next, we have out of state travel. Um, Coach Neil and the basketball team are going to win Arkansas, but they're staying in Green Forest. And one of the evenings, I believe they don't play until about 7 or 8:00. They're requesting permission to travel over to the Memphis area, specifically the Germantown Cordova area to do an activity and to travel there on November the 17th. It's a lunch activity and team building in a in a very safe environment. Okay. So that's your recommendation? Uh yes, ma'am. My recommendation is to approve travel to Port Doa, Tennessee on November
04417th, 2023. All right. So we have a recommendation. Do we have a motion? Motion. Motion by John. Do we have a second? I'll second. Second by Mindy. Any further discussion? All in favor? Any opposed? And up next on the agenda, we have for the board transfers. We have no one requesting to transfer out. We have two students requesting to transfer in on 9th grade. Uh my recommendation is that we deny that transfer. For right now, we are very tight in specifically science. We're about 97 98% full right now um in ninth grade and also in our electives and to place them on a waiting list if we have room available that we will invite them in the future to to be able to enroll. Okay. And yeah, my recommendation is to um to deny the
045transfers and place on a waiting list until to see if we have All right. So, we have a recommendation. Do we have a motion? Make a motion. You got a motion. Motion by John. Do we have a second? I'll second. Second by Ryan. Any further discussion? All right. All in favor? Any opposed? Okay. Um, up next, my last item is it's personnel. And I don't see any reason for executive session, so we'll just keep going. Um, I'd like to make the recommendation that we accept the resation of Walter Chievers effective uh 1231 2023. All right. So, we have a recommendation. Do we have a motion? A motion. Motion by Sarah. Do we have a second? Second. Second by John. Any further discussion? All in favor? Any opposed? Okay. And with that, um, I'd like to
046make the recommendation that we offer employment to Jessica Hson, Debbie Talison, Kelly Wolf, Sierra Hixon, and Vicki Goldberg. All right. So, we have a re recommendation. Do we have a motion? Motion. Motion by Sarah. I'm just going to sit here and be quiet. Do we have a second? Second. Second by Ryan. Any further discussion? All in favor? Any opposed? Okay. All right. John uh recommend we journ or whatever. All right, guys. Thank you very much. We seconded