PUSD Governing Board Meeting - October 14, 2025

001We do have a Yeah, but you're exactly right, Jane. I noticed that same thing. The person was like, "We maybe even start before Labor Day." I think most states start before Labor Day these days, right? So, any other thoughts or or comments from this one was pretty straightforward. the superintendent uh lesson learned the thing that I um highlighted. It requires a great deal of tact to confront someone who's responsible for hiring, evaluating, and firing you. I thought, well, that that is true, but everyone will be a lot happier if they can agree on a common set of grounds. Hello, Kim. How are you? Thanks for being here. Um so, anyhow, that there was that. So, terrible habit number 18, next chapter. We good to move on to that? Yeah. Okay. Super. Who who can summarize

002this one for us? The title was argue with a hostile speaker. I can y um basically during the call to the public a speaker gets up and um talks about reducing staff, reducing administration and and the board member kind of had a preconceived notion of this community member coming in that they were sometimes like to stir the pot and basically cut them off and said, uh, you know, just this is not the way that we want to go. We have a low administrative ratio. We have uh people that are working hard to do their jobs and that just got the speaker to go longer um and to bring up other things about other ways to trim fat which really kind of just by confronting that speaker, they opened up another can of worms. and the

003speaker then didn't want to use only the time allotted because they felt they'd been interrupted and that they'd been challenged. So, it just created a lot of issues, which is not our standard operating procedure for speakers. Yep. Absolutely. I I thought this was kind of funny. I I underlined this. Said, "By challenging the speaker, you've not only provoked her to make even more outrageous comments, you've delayed the meeting and violated the board's rules of procedure. you begin to wonder whether you handled yourself correctly. You pro probably I think we've all gone through the one of the things I underlined besides that was don't challenge speakers during their public remarks. Sure. And I think we've all had a a time or two where we wanted to do that, but that's not our role. Our role is

004to listen to whatever they're saying. Yeah. That without comment. I think that kind of nailed on the head what what it said from there. That's during public comment and we've got a public comment uh portion of our meetings as well. If somebody wants to speak to a voting item, right, one of the questions I underline here that the board member was thinking to him or herself, am I supposed to keep my mouth shut when people are spreading misinformation about the district? I answered yes in this case. Um if it did it did mention there are other forms, right? If you talk with somebody afterwards or you see them in a coffee shop or whatever, absolutely share your thoughts and have them share thoughts. have them share their thoughts, excuse me, with you. But during the

005the public comments portion of the meeting, that's where you get to listen. And sometimes it's things you want to hear and sometimes it's things you don't want to hear. But hopefully all of it stopping and and ultimately useful. You know, something that wasn't brought up or I didn't see as I was reading is that it's very clear, at least in Arizona state statute, that the board is allowed to set the time, place, and manner of public comment, and that this is our meeting. It is not necessarily a meeting open for public input. It is our business meeting. Um, so I think a lot of people don't understand that and and it didn't seem to come across in this chapter that that that is our prerogative is to set the the parameters for public comment. Great.

006Great point. We've talked about that before in here that there are school boards who we're going to conduct our meeting. We don't accept public comment at all. That's perfectly acceptable under the parameters of the law. There are some uh boards that say, "Hey, at the beginning of the meeting, anybody come and talk about anything?" That's kind of the other extreme on that spectrum. You chose not to do that as well. But yeah, you're exactly right. It doesn't have to be a part of of a meeting, but in this in this district's case, it was and they had parameters. I I had been trying to remind myself of what um what our policy says. What did they say was the best the best approach here? Sorry. Rather than interrupting the person, keep your mouth shut. Then

007what if if you felt like you needed to say something, when would you say that or could you at all? Yeah. So at the very end of the of the public comment portion, right? Not just when Mrs. Smith or Mrs. Jones or whatever her name. What was the gal's name? Betty Burlmore. When Ms. Miss Burlmore was done, don't say, "Hey, Mrs. Burlmore, you said a couple of things that I don't think are right." At the end of everybody speaking, that's when there's an opportunity to do that. That's what our board policy says as well. Upon conclusion of public comments, individual members of the board may respond to criticism, any criticism made by an individual who's addressed the board. And it also mentions in our thing that we've got a three-minute time limit per person, but

008that's up to the president. He can he or she can choose to to modify that if uh if the the content of the meeting requires that. So, any I don't know if any of you remember, but during our our um I don't know if it was the board president's training or just the overall board uh training where Superintendent Carter, he said, "Okay, when you're doing public comment, take your tongue and stick it to the top of your the roof of your mouth." Yeah. And don't make you it prevents you from making a smile or anything. And I've used that so often just like this. Anyway, but it's just a good little trick because you're right, you shouldn't be saying anything and and we're not allowed to say anything except the end. So anyway, okay, any

009other thoughts or comments about that one? All right, our next two, we're coming down the home stretch. There's only a few months left of this. Terrible habit number 19, confide in a reporter. We'll be talking about next month. And terrible habit uh 20, oh, I skipped it. Hold on. garner public garner public support. I'm not even sure exactly what they're talking about there, but we'll figure it out next month together. All right. All right. So, just so we have the uh chance for the public to to jump in um and view, we will wait until 5:15 to start the meeting. So, if you want to take a break, grab some water, go to the restroom, we will start at 5:15 promptly. All right. Thanks. meeting. Um, so welcome again everybody. like to start with the

010pledge of allegiance. And Jackson, if you could lead us to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thanks, Jackson. something. All right, moving on to item 3A, consider approving the agenda. Um, everybody's had a chance to look over the agenda. Are there any changes? Great. Um, then we'll take a motion to approve the agenda. I make that motion. Motion. Uh, do we have a second? It's a motion seconded. All in favor say I. I. I. Any opposed? Hearing none. Item 4 A, consider approving the minutes and study session, book study, and regular study and voting session meetings of September 9th, 2025 and the special meeting of September 19th, 2025. Are there any changes that you

011noted? Okay, I'll take a motion to approve. So moved. Motion to approve. Uh uh, can we get a second? I'll second it. Motion second. And all in favor say I. I. Any opposed? Hearing none. Moving on to item 5A. Presentation of the American flag crafted from Prescat Mile High Middle School bleacher seats. Kirk, welcome back. Yeah, you have the floor. This is it. Yeah. Beautiful. A little tough to carve because the wood was so but I love the uh finish on the back. There's a little bit of writing and you know I love Chris [Laughter] whoever that is. That's me. So yeah, yeah. So Kirk, can I ask a question? It looks like for the stars you cut them out separately individually and then adhered them to the board somehow. Correct. Okay, that's super cool.

012Love it. Love it. So, that'll be that'll be a historic piece of the school that we've now replaced that we'll be able to hang here in the district office in addition to the one we've got at the school there. That's great. Absolutely. That's what I was gonna ask. Oh, show the audience. Show the audience your work of art. Awesome. Absolutely incredible. Kirk, remind us how many you've made of these. This is the third one. I made a small one. Yeah, they're awesome. Amazing. Yeah. Well, those are great. You know, we do those new kitchen cabinets. Very good. Well, thank you, sir. Thanks so much. Awesome. [Applause] Hey Kurt, I don't know if we did this last time. Get a picture. We almost got two. Kirk, thanks so much. Thanks for being here as well. Thank

013you. You want to get the whole? Yeah. [Applause] Wonderful. Thank you. Got a place monitor already picked out for us right in the front of [Applause] that special deal. All right, moving on to item 6A. uh summary of current events. Mr. Tenny. Okay, super. Just a couple of things. Uh really quickly. Great. Many of you were able to come to um our Patriot Day commemorations at our various schools. I think we start we kicked off the day at at um Presca High School before school where the ROC uh presented their annual commemoration of of 911 and had some speakers there and and a couple hundred people on the front lawn including a number of first responders who came and joined us. That was a good a good um commemoration there. Then moved over to Mile

014High and they started off their day with uh the students all coming out to the quad. A couple of you were there as well. They had their choir sing the national anthem and then one of their students play taps and um their um student resource officer from the Prescuit Police Department and a couple of his uh co-workers raised the flag and and brought it down to half staff for uh their ceremony there. And then we moved over to Taylor Hicks and I think this photo that who remind me who took the photo. Christy Spangler. Oh, Christy Spangler. Christy Spangler, one of our teachers at at Taylor Hicks, took this photo. The cloud in the background, isn't that remarkable looking? Sarah about it looks like another planet up there. What on earth? It's kind of cool.

015Anyhow, the um the fire department brought their new ladder truck and um and hung a huge American flag from on that that from this for the ceremony and principal there said a few words and and it was you know super age appropriate for the kids in terms of you know what had happened and how uh there's there's people in our community who will keep you safe from that kind of thing. Our first responders and our teachers and our moms and dads and whatnot are the folks who are here from you don't have to worry while those folks are around. And then afterwards they they allowed I guess that's me on the left and I think it's Kevin Hilton the principal on the right. They allowed us to go up in the truck. We were way

016up in the sky. It's like 200 feet up. It was it was a long way. I think we've got some P. Oh and then by Jud later on in the day. Excuse me. I I should before we move on. Pardon me. But Jud did their 20th 20th annual 21st annual. What did we decide Jane? Because we missed the one year we missed the year that co Yeah. Yeah. And we started the second first year after. So yeah, 20 years four years. So maybe maybe it was the 23rd annual uh then the two current. There you go. Yes. And our our PTA leaders have been have been putting that on for years and years and years. Carol and and Jane got that started years and years ago. But every year they invite the first responders from

017the area. um ambulance drivers and and uh medevac helicopter pilots and and of course firefighters and police officers, sheriff and whatnot to come. And how many how many folks did we have visit this year? 40. Okay. Oh my gosh, that was terrific. Another another great event there. And the kids make signs and get stickers and interact with them. is just another neat opportunity for our kids to to see these are good folks who are here in our community to help us out. Uh so that was neat. And then um Granite Mountain and Lincoln didn't have schoolwide events for that. They do for other things. In fact, Lincoln just a week later or something had their their assembly around respect and had uh um some things around the American flag and whatnot with that. But in

018each of their classes as well did age appropriate things. That's required uh by the state actually by statute for grades 7 through 12 to do that. We do that of course in those grades but we happen to do it in all of our grades um K through 12 in our district. Something important. So there's couple of pictures from Taylor Hicks as well. Couple from Granite Mountain student playing tabs there. And then these are Okay. Yeah. This was this is not 911. No, it's not. Sorry. Andy, do you want to maybe take this one? We we had our asthma meeting. Do you want to kind of give us a quick recap? Sure, I can. So September 18th, we held the ASBA Yavapai County meeting here at Prescuit High School and we had about 30 32 people

019I think showed up for that from all around the county from many different districts. We had a really good representation and talked about a lot of really um good issues uh you know regarding schools and challenges that different districts are facing particularly rural districts. Um it was great to have Steve King there with us. Um a dinner from Tormet was provided and so it was just a really nice event. Maybe the best part of it was the jazz jazz band at the beginning uh played it was a little more than mu mood music I guess but it was a great little concert that we got for about a half hour before the meeting kicked off and then uh the PHS JOTC presented the colors and let us in the pledge of allegiance at the start

020of the meeting. So it was a great night. I think ASBA was very happy. I want to thank Sarah for all the work she did on this meeting because really she's the one that put it all together. So, um, it went off without a hitch as far as I can tell. Other than we had to go find some forks. We did. And we found them. We found them. Yes. In a in a totally legal way. Worked out good. Worked out good. Great. And then um during the the homecoming football not during prior to the homecoming football game on September 26th we had our first class of uh PUSD distinguished alumni that were um inducted into that new hall of fame that we'll have and you can see the the well as a reminder there were

021eight people that were inducted altogether two of themostumously right so Fiorella LaGuardia who LaGuardia airport in New York is named after as a Presca high school grad and um as is Ernest A. Love who our local airport is named after. So the two of them were inducted postumously. And then there's six living members who are all Prescuit residents I guess at least part-time. Uh current attorney general of Arizona. Uh Chris Mays, former president of the Arizona Senate, Ken Bennett. Um recently retired chief justice of the Arizona Supreme Court. Bob Brutinell. Mike Fan, who's a um well-known local philanthropist and uh developer and contractor and his his company partnered with another company just recently to rebuild I17. So if you've driven to or from Phoenix recently, you can thank him for that. And then Kathy Olsen

022Shiska of Olsen Grain and Patty Poly Rummage who's a longtime teacher and substitute in our district as well. both of whom have been real supporters of the district and made a big influence in our community for posere were inducted. Here's some additional pictures there. Really nice little gathering beforehand in the front lobby um that Adam made possible for us and um got to their their information is is in the the touchscreen TV there along with all the old yearbooks and the other things that we've that we've got there. So that they were pretty they were pretty excited about that. And then the induction ceremony took place on the field just before the game and a good homecoming football game. Did we win that game, Mr. Neely? I think so. What? 49 to nothing. Is that

023the score if I'm remembering correctly? So, it was a successful game all the way around. And u then last thing I think I want to share with you is that one of our administrators in the district, Christina Timchack, who's in charge of PSD everywhere. So, our our online program for kids as well as our Genesis program, our dropout prevention program. She got married over the break. This is a picture from her wedding which occurred on October 4th. Nice nice gentleman who's a instructor at Yavapai College and they've been they've been together for a couple of years and tied the knot. So that was kind of fun. Congrats. I think that's it. James Oh yeah. I get to do the next one. Shay Shay is on our board this year and on October the 6th on

024Monday she was at the celebration of her greatgrandfather who is 102 now. Wow. And received a prestigious French Legion of Honor award. And the Council General of France in Los Angeles came over to present the honor to him. and it's quite quite a legacy for you with your great-grandfather and your family. He was a member of the French resistance and he was one of the the remarkable people who tried to attempted to save pilots and or parachuters coming out of the planes over France and met some very good friends that during that and I think he's his heart is still with them as well. So he's a remarkable man and Shay comes from a remarkable family and she is living up to the legacy. So I was super proud of you and super proud of

025your great grandpa who I know pretty well and it was a wonderful wonderful celebration. So I just wanted to let people know that we have some pretty cool kids on this board this year. All right, we need to move on from that. Holy cow. Brett, you're next. I know. Golly. Oh, so item 6A2, governing board members. Uh, Brett, you want to start off? Yeah. Um, nothing quite that. But, uh, this last month I was involved in helping draft the rough draft for a letter that went out to districtwide for to explain our four day versus five day school week that we've been debating and talking about. And I gave them something that was pretty rough and they you all something that was phenomenal. Uh thank you for that. And then I also uh had an

026opportunity to be involved in the homecoming parade. I got to drive the student body floats tractor. And anytime I can drive a tractor, I'm feeling pretty good about myself. So that was uh that was enjoyable to be involved in some of those homecoming things including the distinguished alumni football game and even had an opportunity this month to work with uh Principal Karen Hughes on a child that was misbehaving in class that actually lives in my house. I was just amazed at how well she handled it and how she brought the parents in and we had some great discussions at home around it and it's a good thing he doesn't listen to these four. Anyway, that was great. Nice. All right. She did a masterful job of helping these kids. She the the the the correction

027came quickly which I appreciated. I love how she reached out to the families and said, "Hey, this is what happened to school today." And um she's she's a fantastic administrator and I really appreciate her as a board member and also as a father. Nice. Great. Are you still good to walk the campus with us tomorrow? I hope so. Ask maybe ask Karen for No, I'm sure. I'm sure she's looking forward to it. No. No. I'm Great. Great. All right, Jen. Um, I this month have been at Preston High School a lot for football games. My son plays JB football, so that was super fun. Um, as well as several of the high school varsity games. And I though got to do my tour already of Mile High, which is the school that I'm the liazison

028for. And it was really incredible. I think people have no idea what's happening at Mile High if I'm honest. Like I think we've had even growing up we were talking about it kind of had a rough reputation. You know I my sisters all went to Granite Mountain and told me I'd be stabbed at Mile High. Um I actually loved going to Mile High. We've actually cut way back on the stabbings. But it was it was really fabulous. um their schedule is so different than anyone else's in the district and that seems to really be working for getting our scores up in that school as well as just giving kids a lot more time to absorb the information that they're absorbing. The speaking class, we went into a class where they do public speaking and it

029was just phenomenal. and watching this teacher who was a Keystone teacher that we celebrated last at the end of last school year who has like this crazy Wall Street background and is teaching kids how to speak publicly and she's just phenomenal. Um, I think what was most eye opening to me was just learning the impact it's having on the students not having phones was huge. So, that's been a big blessing. I don't know if the public knows that Mile High has no phones uh at all during the day. The they have a phone even in their pocket. The phone will be taken away and they but the kids don't bring don't have their phone in their pocket. They don't even mind and they they liter they play, they throw balls, they do all sorts of

030things at recess and talk to each other. They no longer are on their cell phones. It's fabulous. And learned a lot about our um ED and special ed programs and and it's it's a lot that our schools do for who are in in nontraditional situations. It's really been it's just really impressive. I was super impressed with the whole day. Loved it. Wish I could have stayed longer. Need to go hang out there more. Yeah, too. Thanks, Andy. Okay, so kind of following up on Jen's report, I also was not stabbed at Mile High. Keeping track. Um, I also got to visit the special ed department at Granite uh this last month and just kind of it's just amazing the spirit of our teachers and the the camaraderie they they show and the work that they

031do together I think is just amazing. So, I'm always impressed when I visit with them, but uh was especially impressed right before fall break that they were happy and working and they just do the best they can every day to help these students that have so many needs. So, it's super impressive. Um we talked about the ASBA county meeting also um the homecoming and distinguished alumni presentation. The thing I wanted to to say about that is I could look at those pictures and every single one of those people except for Chris Mays. Um there is some sort of a connection with those of us that have lived in Prescuit for a long time. I mean they either many of them attended school with my brothers or sisters. Um I attended school with Miss Rummage's son

032and um played softball with him. Um Mrs. Olsen or Miss Shishka is a longtime Prescat family that we went to the same church and we did a lot of things. Our kids grew up together. So, it's just those remarkable types of connections that you have in a hometown like this. It's just fantastic. Outside of Lagardia, who's also named the bridge is named for him over Granite Creek Park. um and Ernest A Love that all of those individuals have some connection that I can connect with my family. Yeah, that's pretty neat. Not me personally, but you know, Bob Brutinell went to high school with my brother and he came up to me and he said, "This is your brother, Steve." And I said, "Yeah." He said, "How's he doing?" And I sent that to my brother

033after the night and he said, "Wow, I know people in high places, I guess." So, it's pretty amazing. Those types of things. Pretty neat. Great. Yeah. Yeah. My magical journey was to Discovery Gardens, which um most of you know I that's my niche. Little kids is where I belong. So if you ever need just a day to lift your heart and your spirit, just go visit Discovery Gardens like a little rabbit warren in there. And every class you go into, the kids are down on the ground and they're playing with blocks and doing math and doing reading books and it's just it is a magical magical place. So, and my other one was Shay, which I already talked about. So, go visit Discovery Gardens if you need a heartwarming lift. Also, minimal stabbings at Discovery

034Gardens, it turns out. So, that's Yeah, I fit right in. Great. Well, I will say that Brett and I went to Granite Mountain because we were scared of PJ and wild. So, that's what we heard all the stories. We were tough. That's right. We didn't stab people. I know. That was a rumor. No. Um, so most of my time was spent um, uh, just going to Lincoln school this month and we had the fall festival uh, this month and and that's actually the evening when the the letter went out about the 4 day. So I got a lot of u uh, a lot of positive comments from there and I didn't even realize that uh, that a lot of people thought I wrote the letter. So, thanks Brett for and everybody for writing the letter

035and I did not write the letter. It was a group effort. So, a lot of positive comments about that honestly and just knowing that here's where we're at. It was more just getting the information. Um, so great attendance at the fall festival. A lot of vendors there. I mean, it is a big community. They've done it annually for decades. I can't, you know, with Lincoln you never know if it's a century long tradition or not. Um but one that is is flag day. Every month they do flag day and uh and that's when they give out awards to um different um students for every grade on character or what have you. Um but it starts off with the presentation of the flag and the and the um uh pledge of allegiance. And normally they do

036it inside in the in their cafet at the flag pole. So long long tradition that's probably a hundred years old at at uh Lincoln. So that's great to see. And another tradition coming up uh is the Halloween um march if you will of students going down um um gosh Goodwin Street and then around the courthouse. And you know, it's just tremendous what Lincoln is able to do. And uh and they all the kids get in their costumes and you know, are ready for Halloween and uh and then they do that in Christmas and they sing Christmas carols, right? So anyway, so honored to be part of that school. Neat. Yep. Um all right, governing board student representatives, Jackson, we'll start with you. All right. Uh, so I know that the Mile High Greta Mountain flag

037football uh, seasons are starting. They have triyouts yesterday, today, and tomorrow. Um, and they have some like assistant coaches from the high school going and helping out there. Nice. And then today at PHS, we had a map training too so that some of us high school kids can go and help to teach the younger kids about safety, especially with drugs and stuff because found that when the high school kids are like the cool older kids come, it sticks with them a lot more. They remember it. And then at PHS as well, uh the Top Gun volleyball is starting, which is where the the girls varsity team, they team up and they are the coaches and they choose athletes from other sports to come and play a mini volleyball tournament. Oh, that's just kind of a

038fun thing that's going on. That's amazing. Great. Yeah, Shay, we have an upcoming football game on Thursday. Not sure who it's against, honestly. Find it. I've looked into it. Couldn't find the team, but it's on Thursday. You all should come. Be nice to see you all there. Um, we also have an upcoming swim meet on October 23rd, which is our last home meet and regular meet of the season. It's against Flagstaff, so hopefully we'll do pretty good, but they have a really good team, so a little nervous. Um, we also had an invitational for swim over the weekend in which our team, I think the girls team got 15 out of I believe there was about 40 teams there and the boys were ranked 17th out of the 40 teams. Yeah. And um, S Club,

039which is, if you don't know, it's part of Sopimus International which is an all women's organization which is just dedicated towards doing service projects throughout the community and I'm president. Um we just had a canned food drive in which we had all the grade levels participate. We set up these boxes by APS and had each grade level bring in canned foods for it. We raised over 300 cans for safe bits at the fall. We were able to go drop those off and help restock their And it was just amazing experience. And the NHS, which is National Honor Society, I'm sure you all know that the induction ceremony for that is on the 28th. Great. Do you know the time for the induction ceremony, Shay? Or maybe Mr. 6:00. Okay. Make sure. Great. I'll make sure

040it's on my calendar. Jackson, you brought up something about Matt Force and um I completely forgot to bring this up, but um we used to have a program called DARE, right, as we grew up and and um and in Prescuits um we had um an individual that started DARE um who we recently lost. If you don't know, we lost a detective Mark Mlan um here this a few weeks ago. very sudden uh but he brought it to to Prescuit and um so I just want to you know he's a he's a Prescuit guy did a lot of work within our league little league and u and a lot for obviously program just like Matt force is doing today so just remember Mark and his family if you would all right and thank you and I

041I think the badman team what are they ranked nationally right now where we first actually said second today but they're undefeated so Yeah, in the nation. Oh, in the nation. I didn't Oh, I heard it's like really Yeah. I mean, I know. But then how about the girls flag football team? Where are they? 64. Undefeated. Yeah, they did an invitational, right? So, we won't count that. And And how many points has anyone scored against them before the invitational? Like zero. Zero points. Awesome. Yeah. So, sports are doing great and activities. Good things going on. Yeah, love it. All right. Um, community comments shared with governing board members. Start with you again, Brett. Had a couple interesting conversations this month. Um, two or three of them revolved around the 4 day school week and some of

042them were employees of the district, some of them were parents, and it was still continued to get positive feedback about 4 day school week. And I also had a couple funding conversations with different community members. And I think most of community members are surprised when they find out how how our um how we get our money and kind of how the rural schools are disadvantaged versus the versus the urban schools. And I've started to also talk a little bit about the average age of our facilities, which they're a little bit surprised about, too. And uh I think it's an important conversation um to continue to have with with community members. And um I'm also reminded this month about the importance of being problem solvers versus problem spotters. I think oftent times in our community people

043love to point out the problems and they're and they they they think they're doing a great job by becoming a problem spotter and they like to they like to inform us of all the problems that there are out there. Um but I think building a community that is full of problem solvers is is part of what our responsibility is and having those discussions leading us towards towards solving problems and not just identifying them. So that's all I have for this month. Awesome. All right, Jen, I did want to add one other thing for just a current event. Um, this Saturday is P USC Education Foundation's big fundraiser gay. So, anyone who can attend and support our education foundation. They make a huge difference in what we do in our schools. Kathy Shishka is always the

044head of this event and she works very hard. So, just as a side note, if people can attend, please um also I mostly the feedback I got this month was regarding the letter that we sent out for 4 day week. Um I think most people truthfully felt relieved that we weren't moving forward at this time and that they that we were giving it more thought. You know, they there's people are always on both sides of every issue. Um but I don't think any I think everybody just was appreciative of the clarity. Yeah. Great. Andy, um, feedback I received, um, not really schoolboard related, but just kind of following up on, uh, Mark Mlan, and he was a member of my class. He was a good friend of mine. We played baseball together. Just the the

045outpouring of love and concern from at least my old classmates and things was really pretty touching. And unfortunately, I was out of town and couldn't go to his services. But, uh, just wanted to again mention him. Also, um I I did receive a comment from the uh staff member about the 4 day week really advocating for it. Um I I know, you know, there's differing opinions all around, but just that even even the message that went out was to say, I hope that this stays on your radar as a discussion topic. So there are there is a group that would like us to continue considering it at the very least. So thanks J. No one contacted me about the 40 week. I think maybe I'm too old now. I don't know. The only this little

046anecdotal story is I run every day down by Spence Springs and there's for the past few years there's this elderly I guess I shouldn't say elderly that's me too, huh? There's a couple that drives by in their pick pickup truck and we've got to know each other over the past few years and they stopped me last week when I was running and they said they just they're one of the people that watched the schoolboard meetings on video. So, they're watching this probably right now. They were just wanted me to know that they enjoy watching our schoolboard meetings this year because they feel like we have a group that works well together. We communicate. We we compromise. We differ on our opinions, but we're still able to work through things with no toxicity. And I just

047appreciated that and said, "Well, that's great. You might be the only other one besides my husband that watches them every single week, but it's good to know." So there. So that was nice to hear. I felt good about that. Heartwarming. My mom is always on. Your mom's on there, too. Your mom and David. There you go. Great. Um mine uh yeah I got comments mainly uh at the fall festival just more along uh the lines of what Jen received just there was a conversation that now they know and just appreciated that we're getting updated. Um the other one revolved um uh just a group of parents that were concerned about the wrestling program and just how we were moving forward with it. And I will say, and I brought this up the last uh meeting,

048um that I just commend the administration and Missy um for meeting with the parents and and I received a text that said we were very they went into the meeting, were not feeling good about uh the decision, but they came out of it and they respect the decision. So whatever I didn't ask him what went on in there, I just really commend everybody for at least sitting down and calm heads. pre uh prevailed and so just that's the way it should be. So well done everybody. Um okay, we'll move on to the uh consent agenda item 7A. Are there any items that we want pulled or highlighted? I would like to pull 7A2 for donations so that I can mention each donation individually. Great. Any other items? Okay. Uh we'll consider a motion to approve

049the consend agenda minus item 7 A2. Make that motion. Motion. Do we have a second? Second. There's been motion and seconded. All in favor say I. I. Any opposed? Hearing none. Uh Jane, you have the four for A2. Yes. We had three donations this month and I'd like to personally thank the people that donated to our schools because we can't do it without you. First one was from Vern Tucker in the amount of $495 to Lincoln Elementary School's character education. Cool. Our second one was from It is Inc. which I'm not very familiar with. Amount of $60 for the PUSD Indian Education Foundation. And the last one was from the USA, which I do know a lot about in the amount of $1,755 for the PHS Smart Access. It's where the public goes on and

050makes reservations for our tennis courts at the high school and then we are able to um take advantage of that. So we have some great courts at the high school and the public get goes online does a reservation and this was the amount of money that they gave us for the smart access which was a lot of money. That's great for those tennis players. That's great. All right. Uh we'll take a motion to approve item 72 of the consent agenda. I will make that motion. Motion. Do we have a second? I'll second. Motion second. All in favor say I. I. Any opposed? Hearing none. Item 7B. Do we have any a request to speak? No, we do not. Thank you, Sarah. Then we'll move on to item 7B1. Consider approving an out ofstate travel request

051for Mr. for Chris Prredmore, PHSCTTE, automotive technology teacher to take students to the 2025 SEMA convention in Las Vegas, Nevada. Tiffany, sorry to disappoint. I'm not Mr. Penmore. Oh, it's all right. Um, but I'm here on his behalf and his program's behalf and he is seeking to take uh eight students and himself and a volunteer. Um, it's actually his uncle who's been properly vetted and is a POSC volunteer. Uh, they are headed to the convention center here in November and they are super excited and we're hoping for your approval. Great. Any questions for Miss Bailey? They've done this many years in a row. Is that right? Correct. Yes. So if you are not uh aware or familiar, SEMA is um it's this premier uh event where you you must be invited like you can't just

052go in as a public and so there's this concept that it's a bit safer for our students. Um they're staying directly across the street from the convention center. Um and it's it it encompasses all things um automotive, hot rods, motorcycles, you know, cutting edge career or cutting edge technology. Um there is a concert that they'll get to go to on the second night. So um all the students really look forward to getting to go. Um yeah, it's just it's a super exciting thing that Mr. Predor does and they we fund it through a combination of our CTE funds and his auto club funds as well. Students pay for their own meals. Um but we do have reservations for the hotel and for act entrance into the SEMA event itself. Yeah, thanks for mentioning that. So

053it's a great opportunity for kids. Um the agenda that was included with us only showed I think three items on it. I'm I'm assuming there's quite a bit more than that. Um oh the like what that that's the student program. Okay. And so yes, those students get to go to those varying networking breakfast sessions. Okay. And then um and all the rest as well. And then all the rest. Okay. Yes. Okay. And so item two on that is the Gear Up um Gear Up Girl Network event. Is that Do we have any U female students that are attending? We don't this year. We did last year. Yeah, we do have some female students in the auto classes, but none that are Sounds like that are attending on this field trip. Yep. So, eight students are

054going. Eight students currently are slated. How do they how do they uh decide what students get to go? Is thereually more than eight that are interested. Uh I think Mr. Predore uh opens it up to his second and third year students primarily. Um typically they're a little bit further into the program. Mr. Predore knows them more. Um and truly it's just it's he really we try to keep it open to anyone that can and wants to go. um you know, we in the past we've looked at um any behavior issues that maybe we've had before, but typically it's it's if the student is in good standing um and Mr. Premmore feels confident about it, then they're welcome to join. So, it's not limited to eight slots, it sounds like, as as many students who kind

055of qualify can go. Is that correct? Certainly. Yeah. I mean it we also only really want to take an activity bus and so that's a 14 person limit um that the activity bus rental it's nearly a dollar a mile maybe even a little bit over. So that is a real um budget consideration in terms of just the transportation alone. Right. So is eight students basically how many we usually take? I think this is actually more than we took last year. Yeah. And the other thing I liked was his general safety protocols that are all listed, which I found very easy to read and pretty extensive. Good. Thank you. Yeah, they're expected to stay in groups of three. Um, and, you know, stay in good communication. Mr. Proudmore is not like, you know, with them as

056a group of eight the entire time, but trust that they will comport themselves as they go around the convention center. And you know, this is a a massive massive property. So, as long as they kind of stay around and meet up at, you know, the correct times and morning um breakfast, it's it's typically been very, very successful. These are kids that want to go. This is an exciting time for them. Great. Any other questions? All right. We'll take a motion to approve an out ofstate travel request for Mr. Chris Predore, PHSCTTE, automotive technology teacher to take students to the 2025 SEMA convention in Las Vegas, Nevada. So move. I have a motion. Do I have a second? I'll second. Motion second. All in favor say I. I. I. Any opposed? Hearing none. Uh item 7B2.

057Oh, thanks, Tiffany. Um item 7 B2, consider approving the following overnight travel request from Mr. Travis Steedman. Is that how you say that? I'm just kidding. PHS varsity boys basketball coach to take students to a scrimmage in Phoenix, Arizona. Uh, clerk. Okay, great. Yeah, this was a little bit later addition to our agenda, but we've got some information here. They're heading down to do some scrimmaging against, let's see, Paradise Valley, Cactus Shadows, and Corona del Soul in the Phoenix area. Uh, the estimated cost per student is $200, I think. And the funding source is going to be the booster club. Booster club. You know, we've got uh parents who help fund raise for our various PHS athletics, and they'll be taking a bus down, staying at an Airbnb in Mesa, and uh two chaprons, Mr.

058Steedman, who's our longtime um varsity basketball coach, and then Mr. Swan, who is one of our assistant coaches, JV coach, I believe, as well, and is one of our academic adviserss at the at the school. That's the information I have. If you got other questions, Mr. Neely's here and he may know as much or more than than me about this and he might shrug his shoulders a little bit. Anyhow, if you've got questions, let us let us know. Jackson, do you have anything to add? Yeah, Jackson, anything? I didn't know we had a Oh, there you go. You'll find out soon. Or start stretching. Start stretching, buddy. That's true. You can spread the word tomorrow. Um, and because this is this is an overnight trip that it requires board approval. Any questions? Okay, great. All

059right, we'll uh take a motion to approve the following overnight travel request for Mr. Travis Steedman, PHS varsity boys basketball coach, to take students to a scrimmage in Phoenix, Arizona. We have a motion. Do we have a second? Second. Motion second. All in favor say I. I. Any opposed? Hearing none. All right. Item 7B3, consider approving the fiscal year 25 annual financial reports. Uh, Mr. Moore, big one. Shift everything over. So, we are very close to being done with what we started almost. It'll be two well, yeah, two years ago in Jan this upcoming January when we start looking at what our projected enrollment is for last year. um looking at and presenting our budget package in March of 24 for last year's um school year on recommending a raise for staff. So um we

060go through all of that in the budget and adopted budget and revisions and then finally at the end of um fiscal year 2425. Now um it's time for the annual financial report. The budgets basically show uh spending potential. This shows dollar for dollar, actually penny for penny, um what we spent in every single category. Um it determines what our carry forward is and our um our M uh fund and also our uh DAA, our capital. And so it's in front of you for approval after any questions. I have one quick question which probably I could have asked you another time. What is the difference between the annual financial report and the school level financial report? So the annual financial report basically looks at the district's spending as a whole and it doesn't break it down

061by school. Okay. Um it basically our accounting system has essentially six sets of numbers. It's 21 digits long. One of those sets actually designates what uh it's the second to the last three digits. what school that that expenditure um and also even tax credit when we get revenue in if it's for a school it goes into um that designation. The annual financial report just comes everything. Here's all the revenue we received. Here's all of the expenditures and really shows within that accounting system that we have that 21digit um um accounting measure. Um what we spent in every category from teachers to administration to student support um and it's a pretty it's it's it's Greek to those that don't know school finance. So, one of the things that um happens with this report is the auditor

062general uses it then to to do what we've talked about before, report to the state and and make it a little easier because you're right, there's a ton of numbers. It's an enormous spreadsheet. It's available for anybody to look at, but most people have a hard time parsing through it. the auditor general can distill that down for people and and share what we've shared here before that a lot of our our uh community is not aware of which is that there's no similar district to PSD in the entire state that puts more of our budget funds into the classroom than than PSUSD does. Nobody. We if we get $10, it goes into classrooms. And there's only one district in the entire state that spends slightly less than us on administration. So in so Arizona, as

063you know, administrative spending is the lowest in the United States and we're among the lowest in our state. So I think people who are wanting us to be real careful with their tax dollars would be pleased to hear both of those things and and that information comes directly from Yeah. So after the adoption, I will upload it tomorrow. The auditor general will use the next two months to ask me questions about fluctuations from one fiscal year to the next. In December, they will send me an email saying, "Here, here's what we saw. uh please validate these spending areas and then March 1st they'll rep they'll release the classroom spending report which is what Mr. Tenny was referring to. Um and actually speaking of some of our categories because I've presented on our classroom spending before

064last March I I uh reported on the 2324 fiscal year 24 spending. um our s our classroom spending should stay in the 70% right right around 72 like it was the previous year and actually our administrative percentage I believe two years ago fisc year 24 was 9.6% 6% and I believe it's going to drop down to nine for last year. So we'll very likely be the lowest in the state again once again for administrative spending probably. I would say we're going to be the lowest in our comparison operational category the 13 districts we're compared to definitely. Um question on the just a clarification on the primary and secondary tax rates. So, and because our tax bills just came out to us recently, I think the secondary tax rate, that is the bond, correct? That's what's

065left of the bond. How much longer does that exist for? I believe it's usually 15 years. And we did our first issuance. I think it was 2017. So, right around 2032. Okay. Will be the last time. Um the secondary rate actually is can be a combination of the override and the bond but since our override uh phased out in I think 2022 right now it's bond only. Okay. Yeah. So there is no more override in these tax rates at all. Okay. Correct. All right. Thank you. And the tax rate that you are seeing on this document Yeah. was for not this tax bill that you just received the one you've already paid. Yeah. last year. Yeah. Okay. The next correct. We set this year's tax rate, thus our property tax bills in July when we

066adopted the budget. That's what drove what you received in the mail in September. Yeah. And we've mentioned this before. You bring up property taxes. There there may not be another district in the entire state that where the residents pay a lower K through 12 property tax rate than than PSD because of the property wealth that we have. We've talked about how that all works before and the fact that we don't have an override, right, uh, in our area. So, and still fund what we fund what we our entire district without that. Depending on how much your house is worth, you're paying between one and three cents a month for each student in our district to be educated. It's pretty good value. Other questions? Hundreds of federal projects. they all start negative. Is that just by

067way of the fact the timing is that a timing issue with when we get the money from? Most of our federal grants are what's called reimburseable grants in which we get our allocation. We spend and then we draw down by asking for reimbursement. So it's always starts negative as we spend and uh the grants department does monthly reimbursement requests which takes a couple months to process. So yes, federal and state grants usually end negative and negative. Yes. Really? And so I can see it happening in the middle here. Yeah. Okay. And and it's just because we haven't received our reimbursement request monies essentially all of those will net to zero once we once we get the money from the government. That's what I figured. I just wanted to clarify. It's a good question. First question

068I've had like that in nine nine years. I love my angels. I know you do. You scare you scare me actually. I scare you. You do. Good. Other questions? All right. And we'll take a motion to approve the fiscal year 25 school level annual financial report. I'll make that motion. This Oh my gosh. 7B. We'll take this motion. Consider approving the fiscal year 25 annual financial report. I'll make that motion. I wrote on the wrong one and I'll second. Great. Thank you. All in favor say I. I. Any opposed? Hearing none. All right. We'll move on to item 7B4. Consider approving the fiscal year 25 school level annual financial report. About four years ago, maybe five, the federal government ended up making um a decision in what wherever that states needed to now have another

069level of reporting and transparency which is the school level annual financial report. Um, essentially when we get revenues, unless it's like tax credit, gifts and donations, auxiliary is like when students pay for something, all of our M, all of our DAA, all of our federal grants, they just come in as one, you know, just money. They're not divided by schools. So, this actually does two things. It looks at all the revenue that we receive as a district. you need to pick an appropriate distribution method for that revenue. And in this case, we we do our we use annual daily membership, the ADM. So, we look at, you know, we get $45 million worth of revenue. And then I need to parse that out to schools and I we do it by prorating it based on

070the annual daily membership. um expenses because of the account code. I'd say maybe 80% of the expenses the districts incurs are at the the site level. So Taylor Hicks buys something, it's coded to Taylor Hicks, but there is probably about 20% of our expenditures that are not at that level. They're at the district level. Transportation, food service. Um, if a speech language pathologist works at three schools, we don't have her split coded three different ways because that's really a tax on our HR department and their payroll because that convolutes that process. So, anything that's in that 20% that's coded to the district then also gets uh prrated to the schools using ADM. So, essentially what this does is it takes all of our expenditures, all of our revenue and makes it a method that you

071can then look at the school level and that's what all the reports are from Discovery Gardens all the way through Genesis. Um, and it's it it is it is what it is. Um, it shows we're underfunded in special ed. If you looked at Discovery Gardens, uh because there's so much tuition based, which is not part of this, it shows that we're spending a million plus more than the revenue that we're receiving for Discovery Gardens, but that's because they charge tuition for those non-special ed kids or students with special needs. Does that reflect the tuition in this report for the income for Discovery Garden? No, I have no control over that. actually saw something on the internet uh this week schooldigger.com or whatever you Mike's Mike's this week's school rankings website kind of a thing. At

072any rate, they were showing the amount of spending per student at each of our schools and it was low at each of our schools except for at Discovery Gardens. It was like $46,000 per student and it's based on what is reported to the state in the way that Brian's talking about. our revenue doesn't come from the state there. Yeah, we are spending uh on all of those teachers but the revenue doesn't come from the department of education and so it it kind of skews the the reporting there. I do believe things like auxiliary because really I take the general ledger and I dump it into the Excel the auditor general's got really good at this type. This would take almost three weeks straight of doing before they kind of automated it at the student level

073at that auxiliary because when we um collect tuition it goes into auxiliary. I do not believe this takes that into account at all. It's the state funded from our taxes um and federal grants and also state grants. Those are the revenues that they're really looking at and that's the reason why first of all Discovery Gardens is only funded half. So every one child is counted as a point five. We only have 16 ADM at Discovery Gardens. So you have $1.3 million worth of spending out of those revenue sources for essentially 32 kids. So that's the reason why it's like wow $65,000 per kid come to PUSD. Um so anyway, so really that's what these reports show. um 80% of it is really at that school level for spending, but 20% is um the high school

074got well there's 1,400 kids there and there's 34 total hundred students. So, you know, whatever that percentage that's what the high school got for transportation even though probably they have the least transportation in the district. But you pick one methodology for distributing th those district costs and more importantly the revenues and you stick with it the whole way through. So my question is kind of like it's along the lines of the topic that's not directly related. How has the government this recent government shutdown that we've gone through affected our finances in our schools if it has had an effect? I don't think it's had effect yet. Yeah, really. I'm just kind of playing through Arizona Department of Education is still open, although I tried calling them on Monday and they were closed because of the

075holiday. And then I thought to myself, why am I in my desk office? And that's not seemed. Anyway, so I my answer is I do not believe so and I don't believe it will. Um if it extends long enough, there's a possibility that our gr our federal grant funding could be help. The reimbursements, those requests will be delayed. Um I think free and reduced lunch applications are so automated now that it's just formulaic, but I think there may be a delay on parents for knowing if they their children qualif. I don't believe it's going to affect us significantly like others. That's a very good question. That was a really good question. Uh go ahead. No, these reports when finalized and accepted are then on our auditor general site, right, for all the public to be

076able to view each district. They can look at how districts are spending their funds. Yes. And actually ours is on our website on the front page at the bottom. All of our Yeah. I think the last seven years worth of AFRs, every budget revision, our school spending report that comes out, the presentation that I do to for the governing board in April. So that's all. But all of these I could download every single district's annual financial report. Is that true of charter schools and private schools that receive federal receive state money? Uh, private schools, not at all. Okay. Not period. They receive state money now. No, not um charter schools, they have alternate forms which are very very stripped out. Um I on the annual financial report, I think there's 13 different pages or something

077like that and I think theirs is like six. Um they also don't get analyzed by the auditor general for their spending like the public schools public districts do. So charter schools yes but I can't I try to for example from this I could calculate pretty much any district public district's um administrative percentage based on their spending and compare us. Um, I can't with charter schools because the numbers are too convoluted and also their ADM is not reported like ours is. So, it's really difficult to decipher anything with the charter schools, AFRs and they don't do the school levels. If we wanted to know how Prescuit High School, for instance, lines up against other high schools in our community as far as cost spending and those kind of things, it wouldn't really compare apples to apples.

078The school the school level AFR, I don't think so. because of the methodology and the coding way. I mean, we code things I think extremely accurately and try to get it coded to the site level as much as possible because the more it's at the that district level, the less appropriate like transportation with the high school, we probably have the least amount of bus riders at the high school compared to K8. Um, but they get the predominant amount of that cost. So it really the school level AFR I it it met a federal fan uh mandate. I don't ever use it in reference to anything throughout the year. Okay. I upload it and and the auditor general I don't believe looks at it very much e either. This was their satisfying of a federal mandate

079about four years ago. Gotcha. Thank you. You got it. Thank you Jen. Um so ADM just going back to that kindergarten is that full it is half. It's half and that is also another thing that we talk about prescuit no override all of those things. Uh our kindergarten students are only funded half and we don't we don't charge parents anything anymore. So although we only receive half funding for kindergarten students, we don't pass that cost. We literally half of the cost of kindergarten is at the expense of the rest of first through 12th grade. We understand the importance of full day. Luckily, you didn't pay me half. Do we still offer half day kinderg? If anyone says they want it, they can they can have it. I do not believe we've had a parent take

080that up. Essentially, no. It's not something that we offer. If that was your question, no, it's not something we offer. there's a student who's having a difficult time with behavior, the length of the day at the beginning of the year or whatever, we'll work with families on an individual basis. But yeah, it's it's it's by default full. But if a parent said, "I want my kid going to go kindergarten only half time and leave at noon," they could. That's the expectation attendance-wise is half day, right? Okay. And there's another fractional uh ADM is that with CTE as well. So the seat time is is CTE still drawing certain amount of ADM out of per school for attendance. Yeah. So for attendance well not the ATM I'm sorry time enrollment. Yeah. So we receive typically you

081get one ADM and at the high school if they're enrolled in four classes we receive full ADM for that student with four classes. If they have five and one is a CED, that extra class generates another 25% ADM that goes to the Mountain Institute. Correct. They then do um a pass through of that revenue. And I believe we receive about $1,400 per kiddo for the full year that is enrolled in a CED class. And that funds we receive, I think about 340,000 through that funding. and all but about 50,000 is in salaries and benefits for those CTE teachers. Okay. So, is there an amount that we still kind of pay for because of the CTE or is they kind of washed that out or um because years ago it used to pull that a fraction

082out in order to fund the CED. But as have we changed that? Is that what you're saying? We actually get funding. We actually get funding. Good. And we actually we also make sure that we Prescuit has to make sure we get our ADM. For example, if a student has four classes and one is a CTE, technically we would only get 75% of the ADM and Mountain Institute would get 25. But Bill Stiller over at the Mountain Institute knows that there is a little checkbox that we can do for that student in that class and unmark it as a CED so that we get our full ADM. And unfortunately, it's at the expense of the Mountain Institute getting none of the revenue. But this high school counselors are really good about making sure students with CED

083classes have at least four PHS classes plus their CED. Well done. Good because we're underfunded as it is and we can't no we can't afford to lose even 25% ADM for one high school kid. Yeah. I don't want anything to mire down the relationship. So that's good to hear but and and it's very few. I think maybe it's four or five kids out of all of the students taking CED. So, it hasn't affected the Mountain Institute nor really be Well, it will I won't let it. Do we have a number on how many kids take CE classes? No, not right now. No. Okay, Tiffany, how many kids are are enrolled in a CED class right now? Ballpark figure total. Yeah, if you have it. That's pretty good. That is really good. That's incredible. So, over

084a third of the students at the high school. Awesome. All right, any other questions because we have a great principal and a terrific CTE director. That's right. Also great kids. Oh, that's nice. I was going to say despite the CTE director, but that's okay. All right, we're going to move on from this. Oh, sorry. Okay, so um ready for the vote. We'll take a motion to approve the fiscal year 25 school level annual financial report. So moved. We have a motion. Do you have a second? Second. Motion second. All in favor say I. Any opposed? Hearing. Thank you very much. You bet. Thanks. Um item 7B5, consider approving the school facilities oversight board terms and conditions for acceptance of monies from the building renewal grant fund for PUSD school sites. And Mr. Morgan, uh in

085the last month, we put in an HVAC at Aaya Jud. They have two HVACs, two 15 tunners that cool and heat the gymnasium and kitchen. One of them's down and it's not repairable. So, we're asking for this one's $86,000. Um, unfortunately, the school facilities division, I'm already seeing the pattern. I think they're out of money already or they're close to it. This has been sitting in the queue waiting to be funded for almost four weeks now. um or a little less than that. But anyway, the first thing is is they acknowledge there's a deficiency and once they say that the terms and conditions come to the governing board for the vote and now we're just and I after this I'll upload it but it's already sitting in the queue for funding and it's just been

086sitting there for three and a half weeks. So if if this doesn't get funding from the state, then it comes out of us, right? It will. Yeah. We can't go without heater. Yeah. Exactly. Cooling in the Bud's cafeteria and kitchen. Okay. We talked about campfires for a while, but smoke issue. So if they're out of if the school facilities board is out of money almost, I think that they had an allocation. and it was somewhere upward of 280 million or something from last year's legislation, but they rolled into the year in likeund70 million or 140 million in unfunded previous year projects. So, right now I have a $12,000 amendment sitting there waiting for Mile High's roof because we had to change something and it's been sitting in the queue waiting for $12,000 since September 8th.

087The total amount of money allocated by the legislature for all of these repairs statewide in every single school in every single building wouldn't even build two high schools from scratch. It it it's just a pathetic amount of money that they make available for this. And there's no there's no money in our in our annual funding that comes for this at all as you know. And we have a great liaison and she's you know I don't blame them. I mean what do you do when it's a quarter in? I think they've held some money aside because they do roofing and weatherization projects only twice a year. One in September. We have um Lincoln is in the queue for a roof since la first semester of last school year. Lincoln and Mile High are out for exterior

088weatherization sitting in the queue since last year. by Jet and Lincoln's windows are in the queue for funding for new windows um since May. Um so we'll just we'll have to see when they get funded. Would a bond fund some of this? What's that? Would we if we were to consider a bond election, could it be used? A bond would cover all of these things, but it's a little hard because that's then our taxpayers paying because they care about our schools and want the the state level of adequacy is not acceptable to them. That's where they would vote for things that should be funded by them to take local control. And it would be ideal if the capital lawsuit would be finalized and they would got resolved which is yes because didn't it come they

089say lost? Yeah. So now what does that mean? Going to appeal. So what does that mean? Two more years of appeals. Two more years however many years after that. Then they'll come up with a system like they did last time that we're talking about right now that doesn't work. So I love paying low taxes. I mean, we just had some guests here in the audience who that that's one of their primary things, but I don't think people in the community are aware what the the other end of that stick is. You you know, you got the the stick that has two ends and one of the ends of it is super super low taxes compared to other states and the other end of the stick is schools that are literally falling apart. that the state

090says, "Well, we we recognize you need new windows. We recognize that the paint is falling off the buildings and the bricks are eroding, but we literally don't have any money from the legislature to do anything about it." If we have to buy this HVAC, um it would eat into uh I think our DAA carry forward carry forward is like 1.4 million. So, I mean, it would eat into five, six% of what our carry forward is for one HVAC. That should be funded through the school facilities division. That's an entire teacher salary and benefits for a year. That's for sure. But we're hopeful and the terms and conditions are in front of you for a vote because without these we can't even get the money. That's correct. Um, there is a method just so you know

091because it's a little talk me you know both ways. There is a method I upload the terms and conditions because y'all have stamps so to Stan and we have the ability to use them in between meetings. That's some of the votes at the beginning of the year. So I've already stamped Stan's signature and clerks and mine uploaded these terms and conditions. If you vote no, I'll make sure I delete it and unupload it from the state because we don't want their money. But just so you know, that's how it's in the queue cuz once the deficiency is said to be there, I immediately get have Sarah's stamp. I never use your stamp stamp. Um, and uh, so it's been sitting there already just and now the vote will make it final. All right, let's get

092moving. You're essentially ratifying something that Yeah. has to get in there. Yeah. So many times in the past you've been in favor of that weren't and I always get the email that's been received. So yeah, that's good. You do. You get quite a few. Yeah, I get them. We we've moved forward so as not to delay it and now we're asking for your ratification because because really it it's taken four weeks for funding up to this point. If we uploaded it after this meeting, we would have lost four weeks of funding because we're just in line. Absolutely. All right. So, we'll take a motion to approve the school facilities oversight board terms and conditions for acceptance of monies from the building renewal grant fund for PUSD school sites. Motion. Do we have a second? Motion

093seconded. All in favor say I. I. Any opposed? Hearing none. So you don't have to delete it, Brian. That's good news. All right. Was it? You don't have to delete it. That's good news. You cuz that take three weeks. Yeah. You know, ever. Yeah. Item 7 B6. Consider approving the trusts policies services agreement between the Arizona school uh risk retention trust and PUSD. Uh Andy. All right. So, uh obviously the last several months, uh the board's been looking at uh both the Arizona School Board Association's uh trust or sorry, policy service um program and also the trust policy services. Kind of looking at the pros and cons of each. Uh we've heard lots of presentations. Last month, uh the administration uh shared our recommendation to uh transition to the trust policy services for next school

094year. And uh the board asked that we um have a month to think it over and uh then bring this agreement to you this month and uh kind of ask for a final decision on which direction we should go with it. Uh just to to emphasize again, it would be for next year. It wouldn't be uh any changes for this school year. We would obviously uh start the process of um looking again if the if the board uh approved this uh we would start that process to kind of compare both and start that um what what each policy would look like. Uh also wanted to emphasize that our our relationship with the Arizona School Board Association uh would continue uh absolutely uh have a lot of great uh services from them. just the the policy

095service um the model policy uh service would be the the part that we would move away from. So any questions about about this agreement? Any questions? Um my question is I'm I'm looking through what's the term of the agreement? How long? That's a good question. Uh the term is uh yearly. One year. Yearly. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So we would receive new pricing every year we renew. Correct. And they gave us they did last. Yeah. The agreement does have it uh listed as 500 and then they did uh notify us in one of the questions that um they're expecting it to increase. Year two was 1500. Year three was 2500. Year four and beyond was 3500. So I would go ahead. I I just want to make a statement that, you know, I think my duty

096is to vote to provide the employees of this district with the tools that they feel they need to do the job. Um so regardless of my role with ASBA, my role is with you is priority and that is to provide you with the the things that you need to do the job that you have to do. Um and so Uh based on that, I'm prepared to to vote for this change because you have told us this is what you need. Um but I would hope that we can review ASBA again in the future because they are reducing the size of their manual. They're editing it and looking at it. And I would hope if we approve this that we can look at that down the line and see what that looks like. Um, and if

097it better suits our needs for for the future. Sounds like a good way to do things. Way to do it, too. I know you guys brought it to us as as a recommendation, so obviously you've thought through the transition of it all and the amount of work that's going to go into that specifically for Sarah. Wait, what? I guess and I guess my question in that regard is like is the amount of work that's going to go into it not really going to justify a switch again in a year or two or three you know like I mean is it something that we have to consider the amount of effort that's put behind making this big of a change needs to be something that sticks or maybe we wouldn't do you know what I'm saying

098I'm a little concerned that we would have to start over again with the transition back if we were to make a different change later. Um, and are there any concerns about the transition? Yeah, great question. In terms of are there concerns about, you know, the transition we'd be doing over the next few months if the board decides you want to move that direction? Yeah, it'll be extra work for sure, but it's something that we've we've acknowledged and looked at and determined that we can do. We're we're fortunate that several other D districts that we've got close partnerships have gone through the same process recently. So, they've got a template kind of for us to follow. I mean, literally a template, right, uh, for us to follow in terms of crosswalking and the the various policies

099and determining which of the non-copyrighted ASBA policies that we might want to migrate a version of over to to couple with the trust policies that we may be adopting. So, yeah, it'll certainly be work, but but in in spite of that, we feel there's enough advantages uh in the short term and the long term that that that's still our recommendation. To your other question, um, Jen, would we want to switch back a year from now? Please, no. But a couple of years from now, absolutely. Absolutely. If you want to look at that and say, "Hey, you know what? The ASB policy really set of policies looks like it's become superior, I' I'd do that work again." And since we're so familiar with what we've we've got right now, I could see that work being a

100lot less. It wouldn't be starting from scratch and moving to something that's that's uh new to us. it would be a shift back to something that we've been familiar with and I could I could see that happening with much less work. But yeah, if if you decide you want to go this direction, I would ask you to please commit to at least a couple of years of it before we before we look at, you know, additional options. Same same with our insurance, right? We were going with a different insurance. We decided to go with ASBA's insurance this year. A lot of work to do that. We'll look at that again in a couple of years and see are we getting, you know, the best bang for for our buck. We don't have a lot of

101extra money. We want to make sure any money that we've got is going to kids and going to teachers. And so we did that with our uh insurance. It was work, but we're going to do that same work again in a couple of years and and say, "Hey, is this is this giving us uh what we need in terms of services for the for the cost?" And if it's not, we'll come to you with a proposal that we switch to something else. It's work every time, but it's work that we need to do to make sure that we're getting the best we can for our kids. with my research I've done on like on asthma and the trust I saw that um with asthma they offer different like opportunities such as something with teaching I

102don't know if it was with administrators or with more like board members but does the trust offers offer those same kinds of opportunities it specifically just policies uh the trust does have other I'll say professional development um kind of areas that they will focus on mainly around risk reduction. Um, and we'll continue to receive some of those as well. And and back to the the first part you mentioned with um with ASBA being providing some of that um res those resources and that professional development that we would still continue to partner with them and take advantage of those resources. This we would be focused on just the policy aspect having that transition. Okay, good question. Great question. Great question. You did research into the two. Oh my gosh. I don't know what to say. That's

103fantastic. Brian doesn't even do stuff like that. Yeah. Um, you know, one thing that's, you know, I appreciate the the competition, if you will. Uh, I appreciate that you're looking at that. You you did the same thing with the insurance. you know, anything that is that is better and we see that there's better efficiency with this, it's easier certainly easier for us to navigate through. I I really do like that portion of it. I think that's kind of what probably drove you initially and then and then digging into it was really uh great. It's hard to change um um programs, if you will. I understand that this is going to be a lot of work. So, but if you feel like it's it's worth it in the long run, and that's what we're hearing, it's

104it's it's I mean, I would be voting for it. There's one thing in our last meeting and and Andy brought it up about just even Asba and then even within the attorney that's associated with and and they and they gave us advice our attorney did who who is also our our school or you know school uh district attorney. But then I was also reminded that ASBA also had a had to make a correction within their policy and and I think that you know we even if we do this there may be some risk to it but as long as we have an open communication with them and you have had that um and they've been responsive we may find ourselves in a situation like we were um a year or two ago and they had

105to change their policy as well. So, as long as we have that element, too, and um I'd be all for it as well. Great. Any other questions or great thoughts? Maybe just uh a word of appreciation for Andy and administration for educating us. I know some of these decisions don't make don't happen quickly. And I think sometimes when you're working in an organization, you want to you make a decision, you want to move and it's taken us a number of months to get the information and to feel good about it. And I appreciate all the extra work that you've done to educate us on these policies. That's that's the way decision- making should work. If you don't feel like you got adequate information to be making a a solid decision, we're not doing it right.

106So, no problem at all. It was great to have them both present, too. It was very educational to me. Things that I just wasn't very aware of. regards to policy making. So it was very good. The thoroughess of the process is really outstanding and and just kudos to my fellow board members for your openness and willingness to listen and yeah look at these things. This is it's very good. All right. Well, then we'll take a motion to approve the trust policy services agreement between the Arizona school risk retention trust and PUSD. So move. We have a motion. Do we have a second? Second. Motion second. All in favor say I. I. Any opposed? All right. Hearing none. Moving on to item 7B7. Uh so this is a review and discussion um to propose of a

107proposed bylaw amendment submitted by the Arizona School Boards Association Governance Committee. Following the discussion, the board will vote to give direction to Sarah Torres, designated voting representative to vote in the manner the board has approved. Um uh Andy Freyer. Okay. So, I believe you've all received these documents, the packet with the the explanation of the changes to the bylaws as a member district. Um, changes to the bylaws require a majority vote of the the number of members in the district and any vote less than that is a failure. So, and if you didn't know, last year they tried to make changes to the bylaws and it failed for a lack of voting from districts. Um, I think what some of the feedback they received was that it was too complicated. Districts didn't want to look

108at it. I don't know that their uh communication that was sent out was very strong in getting that out. So, they've made a concerted effort this year to address this through county directors, county meetings. Um and so what you have in front of you are the the changes and they in the packet uh that lists the specific uh updates. Um the changes deal with eligibility for office. It it addresses who is eligible for for an elected office within ASBA. meeting protocols, addressing the assembly, who's allowed to address the assembly, representation for county directors based on census data. What that means is, if you didn't read through it, is that any county that has over 500,000 people in it uh per census data receives two C co-directors as opposed to just one county director. Uh, excuse

109me. executive oversight, full board ratification of the executive executive director's contract, which we just did, excuse me, committees and leadership, establishing standing committees, defining their duties and leadership, emergency and vacancy procedures, voting and quorum, which the big change here is authorizing electronic voting. and because of that increasing quorum requirements and then caucus alignment. So there are caucuses within ASBA, Hispanic Native American caucus as well as the Black Caucus. Um and there may be a couple of others that I'm not thinking of right now, but they have to have bylaws that reflect the uh bylaws of ASBA. They must not be in conflict with those bylaws. So those are the changes. If you were to look through the specific changes in your packet, anything listed in blue is the new wording. Anything stricken out in red

110is the old wording. I just I actually went through this the entire thing. I was just impressed with the it's more clear. It's the clarity is much better. The the things that were struck out were wordy and too verbose. And to me, this is a lot easier. Great. To read. That's great feedback. So, you are our current county. Yes. Representative. And that's a two-year position. It is. I did not know that until I read this document. Okay. I'm like, we do this every year. Congratulations. So, for this year and for next, I will be I'm not going to raise money. Okay. Good. That was something I learned by reading the document. Great. Any other questions? Um, Andy, my question for you is obviously you're a little more tuned into this than I am. They seemed

111reasonable. Do you have any concerns? Do you were you supportive of these changes? I was supportive of these changes. Um, I actually was the designated delegate at the at the law conference just last month and as the ASBA delegate for PUSD voted to approve them to be sent to the district. So there's a lot of format and things that goes on. So we did vote to approve these to send to the districts for a broader membership vote. Um I believe that these changes like like Jane said take out a lot of extra words that don't need to be in there. I think it clarifies a lot of things. Um, I think some things that we really need to be careful with with ASBA is the issue with the executive directors and we really need membership

112to be deeply involved in that and know what's going on and there needs to be transparency. So maybe the biggest change that I'm supportive of is that that issue with the executive director contract because we've been through a number of years now within ASBA of real upheaval and I think we're on more stable footing now. Um but it's important that we have that transparency. So I'm really pleased with that part of it. Thank you. Great. So, I'd like to move forward with this and um provide a motion um and give direction to Sarah. Um so, I'd like to propose a motion to approve the proposed or to approve the proposed ASBA bylaw amendment as presented. So, I' I've made the motion. We need to be second. We'll all second it. Okay. Wow. Second. Uh, all

113in favor? I. Any opposed? All right. Hearing none. And Sarah is already designated as our voting person, I assume. I think that's what it says. Years past. Yeah. Okay. And I have it. It's just yes or no. Fill out my information. I'll do that tomorrow. Great. It's easy on the website. It's right there. Great. Thank you. Thanks. Um item 7 C information discussion items. Um Mr. Moore has prepared the school board summary budget report for your review. Brian, as presented, any discussion? All right. We'll move on to item 7 C2, bond and override discussion. Mr. Tenny. Okay, great. I shared with you in um I think my most recent board report a a table that showed since 2000 I believe all of the the bond and override measures that uh past boards have sent to

114our community and the success on each of those. Sarah, do you have that there? See, it looks like can we make that a little bit bigger too? There you go. Um, so just kind of some food for thought there. If the board does decide to to move forward with with an override ballot measure or a bond override measure, there's several things you're going to want to keep in mind. Obviously, the the amount um for each exactly what you'll tell the community you're going to uh use that that funding for, if it comes through, uh what impact it will have on taxes. We've got it. Brian took about 40 seconds and came up with like an amazing mind-blowing calculator that will show you all sorts of things uh that we'll look at here in a minute.

115But um if you look back over this, I didn't put any notes. We can we can maybe add those in later if you want. But some of these things um it wasn't just the amount that was asked for that impacted whether it passed or failed, right? That that's that's a big piece we want to think of. If you're in some places in the valley, Talison, they they regularly ask for 15% override. That's the maximum that can be asked for. Their community says yes every time. No problem. No problem. No problem. No problem. If if we asked for 15%, I don't know that our community would support that. It would have a big impact on on taxes. Um the o over the mountain uh both Mingus and um and Cottonwood Oak Creek and uh as well

116as Clarkdale Jerome have current overrides and they're asking for extensions on 10% is the amount that they've had there for years. They're asking their their folks to continue with that. We had a a smaller um override uh back in you can see that that was going to phase out and we asked um we asked our community to to increase that amount a little bit and that failed. So, number of things that you're going to want to keep in mind as you determine whether a whether or not this is a good idea, b if you're going to ask for an override, uh, or a bond or both, and c then how how much in each case, and d what what those things would be for. We we've talked as an administration, we've got some recommendations if

117if you want them, but I I strongly prefer to have you kind of discuss it yourselves first, ask us questions and and um then if you're interested later on ask you what what do you think we should do just on this pre just the graph you have up the table up. It would appear that if we do a bond and an override, we don't have voters split. It seems to be either it failed or it passed. That and that's pretty typical statewide when when a district asks for uh both together. Yeah, it's it's it would be atypical. I know of a few cases where that's happened where a bond has been approved and an override is not or vice versa. But uh you're exactly right, Jane. If if you ask for for both, they either

118both pass or they both fail is is what's typical. I mean a little bit more support, but not that's been the case here. Yeah, that's been the case here, but in other in other uh communities that's that doesn't always hold true. I know one thing that can impact a district passing a bond and override that for instance when you mention your percentage of home owners rental. Absolutely. Rick lower. So they they have more renters than we would have in as on a percentage basis. And so renters are are not really caring about property tax, right? They're like, "Whatever. Let's get better schools for our kids who go to the schools." So, it can impact. We have a high percentage of homeowners. Home ownership. Yep. And a relatively low percentage of um if you also think

119about apartment buildings that are filled with with voters that are renters, right? Like we don't have as much of that absolutely volume of rental in our community. So, it's just something to always just know or be aware of is that we have a high percentage of home ownership. And and so the homeowner is is directly the voter and right and the one paying the tax. An extension of what you're saying, Jen, you're 100% right. And this it's all super salient. It's not just an observation. It's it's at the core of what you're about to discuss. uh places like Tulsson also have a lot of their property wealth uh tied up in commercial properties and so the impact on on uh residential property taxes is relatively minimal. Uh whereas Prescuit we don't have as many commercial

120properties and so I mean Amazon's paying for you know and other warehouses are paying for for much of a a bond or an override in Talison and it's could be homeowners here. One thing we do have in our favor, I mentioned earlier, is that our our K through2 property taxes are substantially lower here in PUSD than they are in in Chino and Humboldt and Mingus and and Codwood Oak Creek and whatnot, other places that are asking for bonds where it's successful. So, if that that's the other piece that you'll want to talk about at some point is, okay, if you want to do that now, now what? Who do you get to help move this forward? I'm all in for sure, but you're going to need more than me. And so who who do you

121envision might be? Okay, there you go. Couple people pointing at each other and themselves. That's nice. There you go. Love that. Love that. Would it be all right at this point if I started to cry and hug both of them? Would that be awkward at all for anybody? Do we This might be a silly question, but when you look at our pass, our bond and override pass and even in the the fail are we have fewer voters voting on the override as opposed to the bonds. Do we know any why that is? I I don't know for sure. I I've got some language from I think this is the last I just think that's interesting. Uh there there's some language that's required by the state that fewer voters vote in my view. I'll I'll just

122be honest since you're I'll be candid and say I think it works against uh passing. The legislaturator's actually looked at additional language that would make it even harder, but here's some language that that uh is required to be included in the in the ballot. Um if if you anyhow shall the governing board of Prescuit Unified School District adopt a general maintenance and operations budget that includes an amount that exceeds the revenue control limit specified by statute by X%. So shall you be allowed to adopt a budget that exceeds what the state has said? It sounds like you're already kind of doing something shady to start with. Then later on it says the amount of the proposed budget increase and it has to say exactly how much that would be. Um the the language that was

123proposed and didn't go through in law this last year was to it would have to include as well exactly how much less people's taxes would be if they don't uh continue an override. For instance, in Mingus, they're being asked to continue an override. Their ballot language would have to say your property taxes would be this much less if you don't pass this. Any other languages in here? uh proposed increase in the school district's budget would require an estimated tax rate of blank per hundred dollars of net assessed valuation. So, it's very specific about the negative most people would see it as negative impact that would have on your taxes if you do this. And it it from the get-go makes it sound like you're doing something extra and weird and and additional and and probably

124not necessary or even right in my view. So, that's one of the reasons I think that that overrides don't get as much support as bonds. But when it comes to the the increase in your property taxes, if you vote for a bond override, they're not split on the I mean, it comes as a package deal, right? Or not on if they're both passed, what shows up? Yeah. What shows up is one line item. So, secondary property tax one line item, but they're split in the sense that the override will fall off sooner. Correct. Yes, that's true. Absolutely true. You know, I just find the numbers interesting. I don't know why, but one thing to note too, if you guys look, the 2004 and the 2020 elections are presidential elections. So, they have a much larger

125turnout like the one in 2020, holy cow, 38,000 people, 39,000 people voted versus in the election in in 2015, we had 19,000 voting, right? So, I mean, it's it's going to draw more people when you're in a presidential election. We're going to be on an even year. So we'll have probably somewhere between these two if we look at it for 2026. Yeah. Where in 2015 it was an odd year. Um also we had failed that 2013 we cut it in half. Right. And it something else was coming off. So it required no increase in income tax. I mean in property tax. Correct. That previous bond was sunsetting in 2015 especially at that level of success. So, we have to be mindful of what the overall impact of anything else that's happening in our community as

126well. Um, well, and we mentioned earlier that our bond won't get paid off until 2032 33. So, 2015 bond you're talking about the 2015. So, we're going to we're going to still pay um 15 hundredths of a percent as taxpayers um on that. For a typical person, it's about $18 a year or something like that. But it's still still money and this will add to that money for sure. People don't really think that way either all the time like what is dollars. It's a it's the principle of the matter. It's it's not important that it's negligible in comparison to what they actually pay in their property taxes. Um the 2020 I don't remember the timing with that with the jail tax. Was the jail tax an issue like I think it was before? Yeah, we

127asked for more and co hit. We shut down. So literally it was the June after our fourth quarter where we didn't have school. It was decided by the governing board to ask for 8% an increase, not even a continuation. And November is when that vote came. And I mean we were we didn't even go back to school until after Labor Day. And I just think it was a combination of COVID and yeah, the community consensus then was nobody's in classrooms anyway, right? Nobody's teaching. Why do they need any money? I mean, that that was the overall for sure. Okay. And even with that, you know, it was still what 3,800 vote difference. Yeah. That it failed by. So, it it wasn't a huge difference. I I feel also like we didn't we didn't prepare well

128enough for that measure. We had a lot of headwinds obviously with everything that was going on, but the committee did not work very well to get that information out. I I I was part of that committee. So, we failed at that. Definitely do recall that. It was just a interesting time. We still have a lot of knowledge and institutional knowledge with Jen and you know great group that that really the successes of 15 really stemmed off of the lessons learned off of 13. That's correct. And the knowing the work that has to go into it is what we need to go into it again and knowing that there's some distance between it. Um and there's certain buzz things that the the principle is really what that won the day with that. It was it was

129just like with with things that have been successful in this area there everything that was in question was either countered or education was there was some education behind it. So and when we do that it seems like that's all they want. the amount was was critical, right? Because it wasn't extravagant. It was everybody could see what was paid for and and I know that that's what you did in 2020. So that was a lesson learned that when we first started out, but again, the information didn't stay constant, you know, so there's this constant drum beat. But as long as we have the buy in and we have a good group and committee and we're starting now, I I think the timing is for me is is really good just knowing that the community as it

130is growing um and we think what we just went through with the police and fire kind of the same thing. It's the principle piece you know and if we can resonate and we can explain then that's what we have to be prepared to do. But that's just how I feel. I also think, you know, Clark has done a great job in getting out and spreading the word that's out there about what we need. So So that message that you beat the drum on all the time is is in people's minds. I hope at least. I mean, I think it is some people's minds. I Yeah. Probably reached a thousand people. There's a lot more voters, but but maybe more so than it was in 2020, maybe. Um I I think even skeptics from 2020 are

131probably turning around and saying this doesn't make sense what's happening right now. Yeah. In Arizona. So, you know, I think we have I I I agree with you, Stan. I think we have some momentum that we could build on, but we need good people to do that. And and just the results from, you know, the your election is holy cow. It's very promising, you know, and it was kind of it was significant, you know. So, and those are the people that were listening about these three these three. I know two of them for sure. Well, I think it's going to be key that we really um educate our public in ways that maybe we haven't done in the past, even in the 2015. One of the resounding messages was, look, we heard you. You said

132no, so we reduced it by half. We're not raising taxes and it made it easy for them to support us. We aren't going to have that same message necessarily, right? But we have to have a message that that resonates with with your general public who don't have kids in school who aren't experiencing because we just we have such a large retirement community and and I am not a believer that our retirees don't care about our kids or don't support schools because we see that day in and day out that they come out. I think though it's they often moved here from a place where they were paying very high taxes and part of their choice in moving to Prescuit was our our very attractive tax rates and I mean this may or may not be

133significant but these same homeowners are seeing huge increases in their insurance rates and so they're feeling that pinch of insurance cost on their homes that has been significant. I can tell you it is a concern every closing we have um what insurance is going to cost if if the house is in the city of Nebraska. So our our boundaries are are very high cost insurance right now and it it is impacting homeowners on a level that I just think it's something we always need to be mindful of is is the cost of home ownership overall is a little bit higher right now from an aspect of interest rates and uh home insurance. So even though they moved here for their low taxes, um now if they move from California, their insurance is worse than ours.

134So they still like us. But if they didn't come from California, they might be surprised at what it cost to endure in Arizona, at least in our area. And going along with that, I just wanted to ask like who actually does come out to vote on this? Like who actually goes and votes? Because if it's primarily like one group of people versus another, it obviously how you present the information to them. So, I just wanted to know if we do. Yeah, we had some data regarding that last time around and and we I I I don't remember the specifics and and Jen maybe helped me out on this or others who were aware, but of the the age group of voters who would be our parents and whatnot, it was surprisingly low turnout. Um old

135people, they just live for the next election. They're just I'm gonna hang on. I'm gonna take my oxygen until November 2nd of this, you know, that kind of thing. So, old people vote in droves and other people are busy. So, yeah, you you make a great point, Jackson. We're going to really need to get our parents involved. If parents are in favor of this either way, just tell people, hey, come and and make your voice heard on this. If we get enough people who have real skin in the game, it it'll it'll make a difference for sure. So, the other thing I think we need to emphasize is people I can hear people now, well, we gave you a bond in 2015 and it passed. So, what did you do with it? I think we

136should all have that info on our fingertips. What did we do with that bond money so they can see I I actually downloaded it from the 2015 bond recommendations of the the roofing and the air conditioning and all those projects that we put into it so they can exactly the way we said we would. And this is what we did with the money. We didn't just throw it around. It wasn't loosey goosey. We really had a plan for it. We'll need to educate people as well about a principle that we brought up earlier tonight, which is the state does not give any money for building renewal. I hear people all the time say things like, "Well, you should just, you know, be more careful with your money." You got to think ahead. When we say,

137"Oh, we we don't have money to replace the roof." They say, "Well, you should you should have saved up the money that they gave you for that kind of thing. They didn't give us anything. They didn't give us a dime for that kind of thing. It's it's a bond that you know you ask people for or you you don't do it. So yeah. Yeah. Those are those are all education pieces that would need to be part of it if you decide. Would it be helpful to have a discussion and maybe not right here right now, but those groups that might be formed that were are against this um this kind of bond or override and and going to them and and asking them what would be reasonable or or what their concerns are so that

138we keep the dialogue open. try to partner with as many groups as we can or is that I that's a great thought. I know yeah last time around when it was successful the the committee went directly to the citizens tax committee. I don't know how active they are these days and and they they kind of did it in a different order than you just suggested. Brett you got my my gear spinning a little bit here. They the the board came up with you know what they wanted to do and then they went to the CTC and said hey it's it's low. It's coming in just what Jen mentioned earlier. We're coming in, your taxes won't increase. We just want you to not come out publicly against this and got tax approval for that kind of

139thing. I sort of like what you're talking about maybe going to CTC or AROP and saying here's here's the needs. We're talking about an amount. What amount do you think is palatable? If they say nothing at all, they're Well, I think it's important to Jackson's point. He's asking who's voting. You know, um during our election when we just ran I to our on a regular basis and it was it was really amazing to me how much they can get the vote out and get people to come out and vote, right? And I think we we need to partner with people in our community who care deeply about voting because that is that is the voice that's being heard. and if they if they don't understand what we're trying to accomplish, right, then they can't help

140us support that, you know, and so I think including uh people in in all different areas of our political climate um in the discussions and even if they're willing on our committees and helping us form what is what is an amount that is palatable, what is what is going to have if these are the items that we feel are important, what items do you take, you know, do you struggle with? Um, I think that open dialogue in the beginning is really significant. Those are great ideas. I've already tenatively set up with our to go and present to them in January, February what you decide by then, but I love the idea of getting together with some of their leadership in advance, a couple board members, myself and saying, "Yeah, here's here's where we're at. What

141questions do you have? How can how can we, you know, find ground that we're both supportive. If there's a way to sorry to gohead if there's a way I think the the SFOB school facilities board is a perfect example of how we could say quickly in bullet points here's what here's how we can upgrade our facilities. look at the cues we're in right now and how it's and here's what we get from the state and just kind of compare and contrast those things and let people see just the difficulty that goes into education budgeting in this state in a district like ours that doesn't have additional funding. And I I think people need to actually see that and internalize it and like live it somehow. And it's got to be quick. We we have to

142do it in we can't have a dissertation sure reading. We have to get out there with bullet points and say this is what we have the opportunity to get. Here's what we have. There's a real disconnect here. Yeah, I definitely agree with that. Just telling the public like what we use the funds for is very important. I know that I work at a retirement home so I deal with older individuals every day and a lot of them have told me that the reason they aren't voting more money for the schools is because they don't know what we use that money for. So, I think it would be very beneficial to be able to talk to people in the community and tell them what we're using that money. I had a conversation with my cousin about

143that the other day, too. I noticed there was I forgot what it was exactly, but there was something at PHS. I was like, "It seems like, you know, this is something that the government would help us take care of." And he was like, "But people don't want to vote for the government to give you more money because they don't see what we're using at school. Right. And there's a lot of misinformation about what our schools are accomplishing and and that's part of our job is the number of stabbings, things like that. Right. And that we, you know, our schools are really successful and they don't see that because there's just a lot of misinformation. So timeline um we'd be this would be in 20 26 years certainly too late for for this year right the

144the one other piece and I think we brought up before is that the county gets um money through the secure rural schools act forest fees is is the term you probably heard uh before I can talk about where it comes from and why another time if you'd like but at any rate um they'll make money aail available for things to be put on the ballot in even numbered years. They won't in oddnumbered years. That's what their committee that that um allocates the money has has long held to. And so most of the districts in Yavapai County that are able to pass bonds and overrides regularly on the east side of the mountain, they they have their all coming up in even years. You can see we've done some in even years and some in odd

145years on intentionally. In 2013, we had something that was about to I can't remember what the timing was with 2013, but anyhow, both years 2013 2015, the school district had to put up the money to put it on the ballot. It was well north of $100,000. It's not cheap at all. So, we're really looking at a scenario where unless you felt strongly that we needed to do it in an oddnumbered year, and you'd again you'd be looking at 2027 for that. My recommendation is you look at 2026. That's that's one of the pieces that I', you know, try to guide you in a direction rather than letting you and just to and I don't mean correcting, but they did um the force association did get a request in 2015. I just want to talk about

146how the board did FFMA did approve that one odd year. Yeah. So, it was it was totally out of the way it was. You paid for it. Joe came to it for what year? What uh year? Year 13. 13 is when you because we paid we 13 was specifically because that was when the bond was suns setting and if we waited another year taxes would go down and we would be asking for an increase of tax. So I think we went to FFMA but they said no. Yeah. And we ended up paying Okay. Thanks for the correction for it. Yes. Good. So it is a precedence that they're not going to do it. It's It's possible we could ask for something different, but the last time we asked for I think we were told no.

147No. No. Yeah. 2025 is out of the question. No. 2027 is too long. 2025 is now. 2025. It's next month. I don't even I don't I think we're past the the deadline to even get it on the ballot. Even if you decided tonight, yes, we're doing this. We got to commit. It would be June's board meeting prior to the November election that the board would officially say yes we are going to go forward all of the work now up until that time is surveying coming up with a list of bond how much all of that stuff but yeah it would be the June board meeting if we wanted to for a year from this November it would be next June if if we wanted to pay for it and and push it to 27. Do

148we have to do that in November or could that be a special election at any point during the year? I don't know the answer to that. I've never I I'm not familiar with one that's happened outside of the November time frame. But I don't know. I I mean that's that's putting us on the hook for some for some spending for sure. But I feel like if we need the time to build the support, it might be worth it to get a return that we would want. But we at at this point we have, you know, 13 months before the election. It's a pretty good time frame. The the folks that we've consulted with who do this professionally said you want your board to be talking about this in September, October of the year prior to

149when you're going to have it on the ballot. And yeah, and I would echo this is this is the perfect time. Okay. Does that mesh done with 2015? I feel like we had the committee formed because we were in the process of also forming our education foundation at the same time. Okay. So, we started talking about the education foundation in Februaryish time frame and with the anticipated launch of school starting in August. Okay. And then the board came to the same people who were running the education foundation and asked us instead to run the bond and override and we didn't want them to overlap. So we pushed the launch of our education foundation back to January 2016 and we all began work I'd say by May Juneish time frame like you were saying to start

150as a as a committee on getting things rolling May June feels like about the time frame of 2015 um because we were we were already a few months into our process with the education foundation by then. Okay. Okay. So if we decide to move forward right and then so 2026 election year 26 is that it's year two seats right but is it a presidential it is not presidential presidential it's a midterm midterm which is probably better but we do have year two seats opening we do have our two seats opening yeah anytime we do it in an even year again which is the only time it'll be paid for there'd be some board seats open I don't know how that um interfaces with with board member elections, but it's worth it's worth thinking about. For

151sure. I think it just gives people something to run on if they're opposed or if they're for either way, right? Like you can Yeah, it just adds a layer of ability to totally agree. I support it or I don't, right? It probably we could probably expect that our board election would go in line with how the bond override does, right? I mean, real possible. Exactly. Real possible. Yeah. In one case, I have to commit to an ideology and pay for it and the other case I just have to commit to an ideology. People don't like paying for things. So, I don't know that it would be one to one, but you're right. They're going to influence each other. Okay. And again, 2026, it's paid for through the county. Yeah. And I confirmed that with Steve

152King last week. All right. What do you think? So, what are the next steps if we if we approve it? Sounds like we're all leaning towards bond and override. What are what are next steps? Well, you need to decide several things. You don't need to decide them all tonight. You could decide some. It sounds like you've decided probably Yes. and and probably November 2026. I hear, you know, kind of consensus building around those two pieces, but bond and override, bond only, override only, and then if you do what you're going to, you know, have the money for the bond. You need to tell people in advance exactly what that's going to be used for. Same thing with an override. There's a number of different things. Override is you, you know, is is or ML budget.

153So, it's mostly, it's mostly people. And I recommend that you, you know, if you're asking for a recommendation that you focus it entirely on people and probably a raise for teachers. There's something else we didn't bring up. You know, Tolson and and well, um, if if you've got a 10% over, we did Mingus thing. We said, "Oh, we're going to do this. Everybody's behind us. All right, here we go." And we got a 10% and five years from now, we went six years from now, excuse me, we went back to the community and said, "Okay, we want to do this." And it doesn't uh pass. six years from now, then there's 10% of your budget that evaporates immediately. And if it was all going to a teacher raise, there's no way we could make that

154up. We can't backfill that. When the 5% uh almost 5%, 4.66% override um failed embedded in the 8%. When the 8% didn't pass and we no longer had 4.66%, it was about a million dollars a year, I think you can see there, for teacher salaries, we just cut other places and we we kept teachers pay the same. So it wasn't coming from the override anymore. It was just coming from what we got from the state. So we did less here and we boosted class sizes there and you know whatever that kind of thing and people kept getting paid the same. I I would strongly recommend that we think carefully about putting ourselves in a situation where in the future we might need to cut teacher pay if it doesn't pass. So that's another reason to

155kind of keep in addition to uh the the tax increase amount being tolerable for people keeping our ask for an override moderate makes it so that you know if in the future people say no there's there we don't have as committed a board or as uh dedicated a committee or or the political climate changes that we could potentially somehow absorb that 10% we couldn't absorb some amount of that would have to would have to be realized in a in a pay cut for teachers in the future which terrible. The the optics of that are terrible. The feel of that is terrible. We'll we'll lose people and it will set us back if we ask for too much. So, you know, you you need to determine what you want it for and then how much and

156and then this board would probably be instrumental in reaching out to a committee to start to think about things. You might even want to do that first and have those committee members help you decide uh what you ultimately vote on in terms of the amounts and and so what does it look like if you do like just a bond versus just an override? Like how does that differ? So if we do just a bond, it'd be for things we could get buses and computers and pay parking lots and paint buildings and whatnot, but no. Yeah. Roofs. Exactly. No staff members get an increase in pay. If you do just an override, there's money for essentially increasing pay. Or if you do a massive override, we could reduce class sizes an amount that would be measurable

157for people. It have to be massive um to to do that. Um but at any rate, it goes just for for people and you wouldn't be able to to buy new computers when the ones that we have right now finally give out, etc. So pro, if you're asking me, you probably we need both. I guess that there's that. Should you should you ask for both? Well, that's up to you five. But we definitely need both to continue to operate and be successful. We need stuff and we need people. Brian, isn't there in my head I remember like the override goes down gradually over time. So yes, after f after the fifth year of com 100% funding um you have you need to go out during that fifth year to ask for a continuation and that's

158what we did. half or whatever. Yeah, it a third. It goes down a third, a third and third until it's down to zero. And that's what happened after the 2020 when our voters said no. So, you don't have to make any of these decisions tonight and and you can again maybe form a committee of folks and get recommendations from them. But here's Brian's calculator and we can put in Brian, you want to kind of explain what we've got here? Again, you don't have to work through this tonight, but I'd like you to know what you have available to you. Can you make it a little bigger? Yeah. Uh maybe. I can maybe You can You won't be able to see all of it at the same time. How can we Well, you might if you

159just do control plus you make it one a little bit bigger. I mean, I can make Is that bigger? Is that okay? Need binoculars. Okay. Um, so essentially what this is and it a couple premises is when it comes to an override, we have our our our boundaries value and actually it's $1.3 billion is what our last year's assessed value for our boundary is. Whatever percent override is simply how much our students generate when it comes to our M& budget and whatever percentage we ask. It's it's really just that percent applied to the amount our students our M budget. So we could change this override amount and an override on last year's budget of 5% would increase our M budget by 1.244 244 million. So, a 5% override would get us just underneath 1.3 million

160based on current staffing. If we because on our override uh pamphlet for the the ballot, we have to say what we're going to use it for. And we can say it's for all staff. That's what 2015 doesn't matter what your classification of staff. You receive the benefit of it. We could eliminate some staff when it comes to that override and say, "Hey, we have a better chance of getting voters to say yes if we didn't include this population." But then we also would need to come up with that money internally to have them benefit for the same amount of raise because we're not getting that from the voters. So if you if we go if just hypothetically if you were to go for 5% override assessment is what that says does what does that do

161to a median home owners? So what I did was a median home in Prescuit is is 650,000. Okay about that's your med. Okay. You're not you're not taxed on your market value. Correct. your test on your assessed value, which is anywhere from about 45 to 60% of the market value. I I I look at, you know, the property values and then I go to their tax bill and see what their assessed value. As your house is worth more, it's your assessed value is closer to 60%. Right? Like my house assess valu. It's about a $500,000 house. It's assessed at 260 240,000. So I'm in the 40s on my house. I looked at Clark's house and he's like 58% of his market value because we bought it when I was in Japan. Yes. Yeah. Because at

162a great time has benefited from our our property taxes uh property values going up. So we could change this number or and or this number and it would drive how much the override tax would be and how much that house would uh be taxed on. So, a $650,000 market value, if we're saying 56% of that's going to be their assessed value. And that assessed value, actually, you're not even taxed on that. You're only taxed on 10% of that t that. But anyway, a $650,000 house at 56% assessed value. The tax on that house would be $32 a year, you know. So, if we change this to be 1 million, helps if the number lock is on so it doesn't shift everywhere. Oh, no. Hold on a second. You're on column Z. Yeah, the mouse is

163not working really well. And plus, I have two mice. This works. So, if we could say if if if someone had a $1.2 2 million house and probably the suspect. Let's just leave it at 56%. Just put a new battery in it. Brian, I think it's the it's the surface. That's a piece of paper. Anyone have a their property? Uh their tax on the override would be $60 a year. A year. I feel like the assessor's office should be able to give us data around what the average assessed values are in I mean in our I'm sure they could. Oh, yay. Give him a mouse pad. Yes. Wow. Very still sucks. Um it doesn't Um, so we could say, okay, that's with all staff, but we want we don't want it to go to all

164staff. We want it we want to advertise it's only going to go to teachers. Okay, so if Oh, by the way, that 5% override would give all staff a 4.97% raise. That's what I was going to ask. Okay, so if we said no, we don't want it to go to all staff. We just wanted to go to teachers. I'm just take over. You take over. It's the most It would actually give the teachers 10.38% raise. But hard to sustain. It's not only if it didn't pass in five years. It's hard to sustain and staff. Those teachers would take a pay cut because there's no way we're going to be able to internally cut in order to make up that money to give this everyone else that we're saying isn't going to get the raise. We

165would have to come up with 1.2 No, we Yeah, we would have to come up with 1.29 million to give that same raise to everyone else. Everybody else. So, if we say not just the teachers, we're going to eliminate our administrators. Let's do that. And there's two ways to think about that. Is we possibly could get some more votes if we said we're not going to include the administrators, but one of our DAT members made a good point. It's almost conceding to the fact that, hey, we're we're we're too topheavy. Our administrators aren't worthy of the money when we are not topheavy. We're lowest of Arizona. But if we did do that, that would give a 5.38% raise to everybody instead of the 4.9 something. So it's about point4.5% more. And we would have to

166come up internally with $98,000 to give the administrators the same amount. Administrators in this case um are our assistant superintendents, our superintendent principles and assistant principles. Those are who we're saying is administration in this case. Um, so it's just something to play with. You know, obviously you could change the override amount to see what an 8% would be on the tax, what raise that would give. And so anyway, you have access to this calculator in the link from your superintendent. I I haven't shared it with you, but you certainly could. Yeah. Yeah, you have. I'll I'll do it as view only and then just make a copy of it so it's your copy and you can screw it up all you want and then just go to the original make a copy you could log

167the field you don't want us to play if we went if we went for the maximum amount 15% Sarah if you want to put that in and if it I mean for all staff minus administrators I mean it'd be a 16% raise but once again if in five years we decide that would genate rate $3.7 million. What's that costing our homeowner? Oh yeah, let's go down for that $650,000. That would be $100. And that's the bond and the override. No, that's the the $98 is just the override. Not putting that. It's not including the bond. But if it didn't pass in five years, we would be losing how much was that generating three million a 3.8. I mean, so we'd be looking at 1.2 something million to cut every year. There's no way we could

168internally do that. It would have to be this is going to have to come with a pay pay reduction if the voters don't vote. That that's not a consideration for districts that consistently are able to pass, right, overrides every five, six years, but that's not the case here. So, I'd encourage you to be really mindful of that. And and really the reason why and what Clark um said earlier, it's the ones that have the commercial properties because our property and within PUSD is 1.3 billion. Really the way that the tax rate is determined is how much is the generation of your override if it was 5% I think it was 1.2 million. You just take 1.2 million divided by the 1.3 billion. That sets your tax rate. So if half of your 1.3 billion is

169commercial, it's only really affecting at that. The tax rate is hitting mostly the businesses and that's what Phoenix gets to ours is res. It's also why schools care about or should be caring about um what business kind of what kind of building are they providing and how much property tax are they paying? Yeah. And and Brian, do you remember our our bond capacity? This is interesting. The bond our bond capacity, the most we can ask for in an override is 15%. Right. The most we can ask for on a bond is determined by how much property wealth there is in the district. And it's it's crazy here. Secondary value is 2 billion and we can bond for 20% of it. So we could bond for almost $400 million if we wanted. That's our capacity. We

170could build four high school that four really nice. You put 400 million in in the bond approval, but it would have a big impact on taxes. Now, legally, we can we can ask for that much, but it's it's crazy. Just for the fun, I have enough zeros in their brain. Yes. Yeah. So, if you scroll down, our average would be paying 1 uh 100 $1,400 to pay that bond. So, let's not ask for that. That's or 15%. Can't do either of those things. Yeah. But I I think you could you could reasonably make a request for something that's pretty skinny and and get some legs. We got so much for 15 million in our last month. It was amazing. Is there a list that you had or something you could provide us that we could

171play with from an aspect of what our needs are? um within the district from a bond perspective. You know, I made a list Clark pretty off the top of my head. I added to it today from I mean that's really where the committee last time we hired um let me show you what we've got so far. Keep keep talking. Um last year we hired someone who was really knowledgeable about our facilities to head the bond committee. for a bond committee. The way the pamphlet works is there's categories that you have to say how much the 15 million if that's what we want would be in each category. We so under asked when it came to technology out of 15 million last time I think we only said 800,000 was going towards what do you know

172what the categories are it's instructional buildings okay student transportation administrative transportation administrative building technology I think that's it that's was six I think that So like for administrative building out of 15 million we put on the pamphlet we were going to spend 500,000 and it just happens that we use it all on renovating this building for our our district office. There's 500,000. Um so that's where the committee comes in. Um we have to be really careful of we're really locked into those categories. We do issuances. So, in the last 15 million bond, we did three issuance. So, basically, it's saying, "We're ready for more money. Sell the bonds or or whatever they do. We have bond legal counsel that does all of that." Um, every issuance, you actually have some flexibility to shift money uh

173between categories. It's a 10% sh basically well shift because when you're doing the pamphlet you're essentially saying for the next 10 years five years these are our needs well needs change over time so there is a 10% um wiggle room is a good word um and we used it because we spent about $1.4 4 million on technology out of instead of the 800 that we said because well co hit and all of those things we needed to update our technology. Um, I came through. This was my brainstorm because I do the school facilities division and I kind of know. So, this was this was my list. Laptops, computers. I mean, obviously you can read. Um, I added about five or six things from my safety walkthroughs with principles that I've done so far. Things that

174they pointed out. Hey, we need better fencing here, lighting here, whatnot. Um even uh voice evac fire alarm systems um PA systems, furniture, laptops, desktops, Chromebooks. Chromebooks are difficult because they're wonderful because they only cost about $350 each, but they're abused pretty well. And actually the they stop supporting them. So older models of Chromebooks, they'll say we're no longer supporting it and that's a safety concern and it's no longer usable for us. So we have to then do we own the tennis courts at Grand Mountain? Yes. I thought for some does the city not have any of that? That's just us. Just us. So right now that's just dead space because it's not even and so that would be a wonderful use for the bond to make that an extension of a biojets playground, you

175know, for an example or make it so that we can actually have some buildings on their portables to expand preschool and have some rooms there. So um idea. So the would go when you put maybe I put it down there. Anyway, I like that. And like I said, besides the few that Clark, I I this is what I came up with in about 10 minutes. Some of these obviously are higher priority needs than others, right? We absolutely have to get Chromebooks somehow. Whether we have a bond or not, we don't absolutely have to. And we'll absolutely have to, you know, replace some roofs. But once again, those are also school facilities. division right fundable things. So we so we have to be careful about that. You know like Lincoln's roof if I would say if

176if school facility says that's three years from now it would be like no we got to spend bond money on that. It is just there's some roof though that won't be by school facilities board. Right. You've got some of those on third uh Taylor Hicks's gymnasium and also their third and four fourth grade building. Anything that was paid for by bond and and it frustrates me because those buildings are there forever. or the bond money is not. So if you build a high school out of bond money, none of that high school is eligible for school facilities division ever fun. because you built it out of bond money. Oh, it's crazy. It is. It's it's crazy. Kindergarten at Taylor at Lincoln was out of bond. the cafeteria bookstore part of that uh high the high

177school was a part of the 2000 2008 was was added on. So there are parts of our buildings that are not SFB fund eligible period ever ever. Um, I wonder if our community will ask anything about the funds we received from selling our district office in Miller Valley. What happened to those funds and how are those funds being used to keep up our buildings currently? This a it's a good question and we'd be able to answer. this be something that we might have to a majority of that um I think we ended up with oh boy total out of all of our three cells I think 3 million somewhere around there um most of our single point entry renovations came out of that um are there restrictions on that what's that there's restrictions on how

178you can spend that money it can only be spent on capital okay period capital and in construction Right. And renovation. And also our turf of our football field was out of that because that was one thing that was in the 2013 bond and we got a lot of feedback that that was a fluff item and so it was not part of the pamphlet when it came to the 2015. So we used the sale of of our building money for that. The track was paid out of the bond. The tennis courts was paid out of the bond at the high school. So I agree. But mostly of that has been on the football field and single point entry and some of that money still has not been spent. And in fact that's on your budget report

179as presented item. It's uh it's fund five. Is that some of the funds that you were talking about we have to spend use to pay for an H back on? Yes. Or our DAA. Yes. Yeah. This Yes. Yeah. It's there for that kind of an emergency. This has to happen. The school facilities board spent all of this year's money on last year's backlog. They don't have any for us until next year. Kids are freezing to death in the cafeteria. So, how long do we wait for the facilities board in their queue before we jump? We have very very very skilled facilities folks. We really uh our our current facilities director really shifted it from general skills to tradesmen. So they do magic with HVAC and they can make them stretch out. Huh. We we have

180we have a we have a boneyard of old HVAC and we cannibalize them. Can't absolutely. I mean, it's like taking three and making one. So, I would like to not think that the second one would go, right? Because we need we need cafeteria tea. So, coming up. part of this process is then I mean are there was a consultant that came in I don't know a year ago and kind of said you know here's kind of your timeline where you want to be is that still available to kind of help us with that timeline or we right we're meeting you and I are meeting with somebody Wednesday next week okay that's the that's our bond council that we're meeting um b for bonds it's for us how much and what four. Okay, that's really our

181decisions. Bond council will do everything else. Um, but really when it comes to the advisory, there are folks that will do surveys within our community. Um, hitting what that sweet spot is from an ask standpoint between the two. Uh, we were visited with one, I don't know, three months ago. Obviously, that stuff costs and that would be districts fund expenditures. The bond council, you can get a consultant to help with that. You can get a committee. You can You got five smart brains who ask some great questions tonight and have a lot some of you had experience being on committees in the past. That's true. I mean, if if this was a typical board, I'd say, man, we need some help. I don't know that I feel that way. I feel like we might have

182the expertise and knowledge base here in this room to make good decisions around this. What do you guys think? put it as a future agenda item maybe for is it worth voting on next month about whether we want to even proceed. Do we need to vote to proceed or can we instruct that like if you could get us more information maybe next month we could discuss more options of dollar amounts and how so that we have a good understanding of how that's impacting our tax rates at various levels of supporting the needs of the district like these are the things we need these are the things we need in a much better world you know what I mean and how do we what kind of impact that have on our bottom kind three wish lists

183in a way like these are absolutely necessary would be nice and I mean I don't think any of them are once that are unreasonable so either not you didn't see the CFO ever being unreasonable about meeting like you guys aren't asking for really I'm sure there were people who thought the field was unreasonable but that field has turned out in oh my goodness I mean it's the star from Northern Arizona. [Music] I can't see the other across the field. You guys never got to visit that. You didn't have to deal with that. It was a 12th man is what we were saying. Is the boat tackle people from nowhere? The field was the 12th. Yes. Is the vote only at the end then when we finally say yes let's go forward with this it's not

184going to be the discussion we have but these have to be agendaized to discuss discussion I think it needs to be on probably one thought I've got is you you know I kind of asked you hey what questions you have and I had a couple of general questions that we've tried to address here now that you've discussed this you might have lots of additional questions Jane just came up with a good one from that from that list of of bond items which would be your A's and your B's and your C's in terms of priority. And you might ask questions like, if we did this much, how what would the impact on property taxes be? If each of you had, you know, between one and 10 specific questions you'd like us to be able to

185answer for you next month, you could go farther with, you know, and you pro probably again, you're going to want to determine, do you want to be advised by a committee um before you set tenative amounts on this? Obviously, the the final vote would come in June, but you're going to have to have we're going to need to be moving toward that well before June, right? with some specific figures. So, do you want to come up with those figures based on what you know and and what you're seeing or do you want a wider group to do that? Kind of feel like under advisement, you know, you give us kind of some ideas. I have no idea because we're more readin. I mean, we'd ask any community member to do this and stand up. Would

186we could I feel like we could be that representation. Um, but what I kind of like is in the next one is a timeline. So there's just there's just um okay make sure that we're hitting marks along the way like a proposed timeline that we don't miss something like make a decision on a committee. Make a it you know what when do we need to decide and present when do we need to start visiting um the public? When do we need to start our marketing campaign? Things like that we can You can get advice from school districts in recent unfortunately uh bonds and over the two areas that are the hardest to pass are rural and wealthy Scottsdale. Do we kind of fit both of those in a way? But I think they still struggle.

187Like I think some of our more wealthy districts down in the valley still struggle. Yeah. That's and when I say wealthy it's home wealthy, not commercial wealthy. But see, we actually have if you go back to 2015, you have some expertise right here of how that bond worked so well because we it was 2 to1 almost, wasn't it? Yeah. 66 almost. Um and our B the Steifil who I would recommend us continue to work with because I mean we have to have bond counsel. They are meeting on Wednesday next week. We're really from a bond standpoint he will really lay out what that timeline looks like. Oh good. Um do we fall in line with that then for the override? Would they coincide kind of Okay. Do they do they recommend committees and or you

188know, or when to establish a committee or recruits community members. Oh, yeah. Certainly. So much grassroots effort. Absolutely. So much as far as Yeah. communicating with the community and and sharing information and getting people to vote for sure. Yes. Keep us on pace and everything. And then probably he'll recommend a bond committee, you know, with a couple board members. Yeah. staff that knows and having someone who runs that, right? Because that's the the bond is the most work because an override is just simply, hey, we weren't going to go for 5%. And then the committee that is trying to solicit the votes and get the word out, you know, has the work to do. The bond is stuff and that that that's a lot more in in detail. I feel like our bond committee also

189kind of stuck around after to make sure there was some accountability to it and felt like the public had a voice. Um, not that our accountability I took over for that. Um, I just remember there being discussion about that at the time and we we did meet um monthly every other month. Um, but no matter what, as long as you have bond money out there to spend, there has to be a presentation before I think it's October 15th. um to the governing board to present on how the money has been spent and also the future plans. So that's part of the transparency. It's a separate thing. It could be an extension of the of the committee that determines how much and for what and gets the information out, but you're exactly right. Andre Carman, my

190wife, Kevin Dickerson, there were a couple other people that were on that votil division board. Oh, Mike Elgot was on it. There are four or five people. Then if if it passes then you you do need a committee to make sure that that money is being allocated to what you said it was reporting to the and I took over that and then when we we had our plan and it was we the money was dwindling down we there wasn't need for the there was a need for oversight so yeah I'll follow up with you and ask for questions that you'd like us to have information for you about next next time we meet for sure. Is it? It is. It's coming up soon because we're halfway through October already. We don't have a ton of

191time before we'll get a sample timeline. We'll get some information from these folks that we're working with. I' I'd be very interested in having you talk next time about if you know a steering committee for this who you want. I think there's a couple volunteers in the back of the room and I think they both smiling back there all of you. [Laughter] But I I think I think you want some diversity on that committee as well. Not just two power moms for AJ, but two power moms for AJ plus some old guy that you know does nothing to do with our schools but has some interest that se sever. We had a lot of power moms on the last one. The last one was Power Moms that got us through it. Yeah, Power Moms are

192great though. Power moms want to see things done and they'll they'll put time and effort into it and they're opinion leaders in town and it's it's a big deal to get willing to make shirts. They're willing to make shirts. I already have a plan. Is that right? Oh my gosh. Well, and we're already visiting sites and and really the I think the difference in 2020 versus 2015 was was the feet on the streets, the corners, the signs, the car the car paintings, the the 18-year-old voters 18. Yeah. Let's see. So, we recruiting you guys. the the the letters to the editor, the Oh, that year in 2015, soccer season, we would literally sit at soccer games, all of us, with newspapers, and we'd all assign who's who's responding to the letter to this letter, who's

193responding to this letter, how are we like, it was all we did, we didn't watch kids play soccer. We literally just with newspapers spread out and our kids thought we were crazy. 7 o'clock in the morning in October on the corner of you know Roser and Willow Creek. Yeah. I used to live there. I mean it it's just that that was the difference. We had none of that in 2020 ever. Yep. Yep. Lots of people in all different areas of the community and that's the message that we're well Clark is really doing a good job of telling the the sites because they're worried about decrease in enrollments talking about the potential discussion tonight. And really the message is you guys will make the difference if you're behind it and you vote for it and you

194advertise and you get on this corners. If we have low staff participation in getting the message out, it won't pass. But if we have high staff participation, I think we've got a good chance for this to get leg. We're already starting to plant those seeds with people and get the parents out to vote. Sometimes that's our looks. Sometimes that's where we fall. The percentage of young parents that are voting. They're busy. Yep. I know. All right. So, I think we got um Do we know what we're doing for next month? Yeah. In a few weeks here. Item 7C3. Anything else? Um you got guidance on Yeah. kind of that. Okay. Okay. And then um Yep. And then item 7C4 meeting date is Yeah. November 4th. That's David's birthday. and then um and then half day

195on Halloween. So, more professional development. Just make one other suggestion for future board meeting. Yeah, we when I was at Mile High um we discussed the fact that last year we had CTE kids come every month and present which I think we need to try to figure out who we want to come so that we're having our schools presenting every time. But um she specifically mentioned like we have some really great things happening at Mile High and some really great that would be awesome to come present to. So maybe once you know for sure our high school is kind of the the city on a hill so to speak like we focus a lot on what our high school's doing. Um how can we incorporate some of our younger grades maybe once a quarter? I

196think that's a great idea. A younger student comes and presents or we recognize their sports or various things too so that we're kind of recognizing all student levels. really what was kind of asked of us from us is get the word out about how great this particular was how great it is. Can we start with that? Ask the question if somebody can present. Let's do that. Thanks J. That's great. So would would you like to continue to do what we did last year which is have a maybe a PHS student come each month but then on a periodic basis have the other schools rotate in as well. Great. Okay. both, you know, I'd love to hear how the fifth and sixth graders at Granite Mountain come and tell us about their talk listing they do

197the presentations. It's such great skills for the kids to learn. Be a part of their community. Can you help me range that? Thanks, Jen. Yeah, we have slacked up months. Yeah, we haven't yet. Yeah, and and honestly, in our our agenda review, Clark brought it up, but I think it was enough time just after fall break, but that's definitely started up. You know, some of these high school groups that we approve of them going out of town to their conferences and whatnot, then we really don't hear back from like how did it go? What you do in Vegas? Stay in Vegas. All right, then we're adjourned. Thanks. Okay.