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BOE Retreat - Board Goals 8/4/21

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YouTube / Cherry Hill Public Schools
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2021-08-05
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Camden County, NJ
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22,418 words · about 125 min
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001all right good evening thanks for joining us for  the cherry hill public schools board of education   board retreat in person we've made it and i will  begin with the public notice public notice of this   meeting pursuant to the open public meetings act  has been given by the board secretary on july 27   2021 in the following manner posted  notice on the school bulletin board   at the administration building transmitted to  the courier post philadelphia inquirer and the   clerk of cherry hill township please  join me for the pledge of allegiance i pledge allegiance to the flag of  the united states of america and to   the republic for which it stands one nation under  god indivisible with liberty and justice for all okay and i will turn it over  to mrs sugar's for roll call mrs arroyo here mrs

002stratton mrs freidel here mrs matlack here mr avadya here  mrs schultz here ms stern mrs tong mrs neary here okay great that now brings us to  public comment and as usual it'll   be three minutes and it can be on any topic  and please state your name and municipality okay it doesn't look like we have any public  comment tonight so that'll bring us right to   our agenda for our board goals and at this time  i'd like to introduce jesse adams from the new   jersey school boards association and he'll  be leading us through this process tonight all right thank you appreciate it um i'm  fully vaccinated so i'm going to ask is   would anybody be in objection if i took my mask  off while we facilitated the process tonight okay okay like you said all right now

003so let's  get rolling uh tonight um basically i was asked   to come in and help facilitate your goal setting  session um but first what i always do when i do   goal setting with the board of education is i want  to make sure there's no misunderstanding about   what we're going to do tonight i get i've  given you some handouts and so the first   handout i want to take bring your attention to  is the one with the nice little circles on it   that says district goals and you see four big  circles we're going to talk about that because   what i find with some boards there might be  a misunderstanding about the types of goals   that are in a school district and it's important  to understand that because each goal represents   something different so let's start with the 

004big circle at the bottom of the page there   it says district goals you can see the elements  that we we at ngsba have placed in that circle   things like the program instruction  staff professional development   facilities finance those are all elements that  make this district work and ultimately drive the   improvement of student achievement that's what  district goals are district goals are focused on   the district improving and moving the  needle as it relates to student achievement   i've had a board member say well i see you've  got facilities in there you've got finance   how are those raising the bar for student  achievement and i give a simple dumb answer   you've got a leaky roof in one of your  buildings and the fourth grade classrooms   in that wing have nice little buckets  that the custodians have put in place  

005so that on a rainy day they catch the drips in  the back of the room there's a nice bucket and   rainy day drip drip drip  teachers at the front of the room   facilitating a lesson engaging students in  discussion what do you think the folks in the back   row that are sitting right next to that bucket  are doing a number of them are probably watching   the bucket slowly fill up wondering if  somebody's going to come and dump it before it   go rules over are they paying attention to  what's going on in the lesson in the class   probably not knowing most fourth third and  fourth graders they're preoccupied their   attention somewhere else you take your finances  take some of your capital uh dollars and you set a   contract to get the roofs redone in your in that 

006building they all get fixed the next rainy day   there's no bucket in the back of the room odds are  those students are not preoccupied with a bucket   so hopefully some of them are now paying attention  to the teacher so that's helping their achievement   every dollar you spend in a school  district goes to student regardless   of what it is whether it's transportation  facilities every dollar in a school district   should be focused on student achievement if you're  spending dollars and you can't reasonably say why   you're doing it and how it helps the students and  the staff to achieve growing student achievement   then you really ought to question why  you're spending dollars in that area   so that's that's important  to understand district goals   focus on the things you need to do in the  district to raise the bar

007for student achievement there's another caveat to district goals in  the statute you you as a board are required   you have the responsibility to evaluate one person  every year superintendent has a responsibility to   evaluate everyone has to make sure that happens  but you have the responsibility to evaluate   one person every year in the statute there  is a list of things that superintendents   are required by the boards of education to be  evaluated on one of those items is district goals the achievement of district goals so it's  important to understand district goals everybody   in the school district from the top of the food  chain the board of education to the lowest level   employee in the district is responsible for  helping to achieve the district goals but only   one person is being held accountable and that's  your superintendent because

008he's required by   by law to be evaluated against so he'll give you  updates throughout the year tell you how you're   doing and come year-end you will do an evaluation  and one of the elements it's not the only element   but one of the elements you will evaluate on your  superintendent is the achievement of the district   goals so that is what district goals are are all  about there are boards who say well those are   board goals and that's where the confusion comes  in district goals belong to the board of education   okay you have four functions as a board policy  planning oversight appraisal and two-way   communication that's right out of the code of  ethics so by law that's what your role is planning   under your planning responsibilities that's where  you set district goals strategic planning goals do   your

009budget planning all of those type of planning  activities belong to you the board of education so   you own the district goals but you don't own  them in a vacuum i tell boards all the time   yes ultimately you own those goals you approve  them by vote but you don't create them in a vacuum   i mean there are some boards who don't even talk  to the superintendent they try to create goals   when i get those phone calls i have a  pretty interesting conversation with   with the board members that are calling  me because i tell them they're wrong   they need to be discussing the district goals  with their educational leader that's what it's   all about the other piece that sometimes folks  lose sight of is that you are a board of education   you have nine members that were

010elected you have   one person who's automatically a part of the  board even though they don't have voting rights   that's your superintendent he is a member of  the board of education he just is not a voting   member so you need to understand it when i say  the words and you'll hear me say it board team   i'm talking about you the elected board  members your superintendent and your business   administrator that is the board team you are  the ones who spend a lot of time together   and so you are the ones charged with making  decisions for this district so it's important   to understand your superintendent is your  educational leader therefore he's a part of that   conversation in setting district goals so it's  important to understand that you own the goals   because those of you who've heard  us at

011njsba talk about roles and   responsibilities the board is responsible for  the what what do you want for your district   you do you tell the district what you want  through your policies through your goals   through your strategic plans through your budget  those are all of the things that you established   the what for the district how everything gets  done how the district is run how your goals   are achieved the how it gets done belongs to the  superintendent and his team that's the separation   of church and state right you you determine what  you want superintendent figures out how to make   that happen so it's important to understand  that that that there is that distinction so   but like i said yes you're establishing the  what but your superintendent is a part of that   conversation when you get to get

012to the district  goal so that's that big circle district goals   so what are board goals see the next circle to  the left up top above it board goals are just what   they are named they are the board's goals board's  goals are focused on you as a governing body how   do you improve your ability to govern in this  district that's what board goals are all about   how do you improve yourself it's focused on your  processes your procedures the things you need to   strengthen as a board to be a more effective  governing body that's what board goals are district goals when you establish district goals  ultimately how it gets done gets determined by   superintendent through action planning etc  board goals because they belong to the board   who do you think is responsible for developing  an action plan

013for board goals the board   all right so it's important to understand  the difference between district goals   focused on the district board goals focused  on the board the third goal set of goals   you see there in that touching the district goal  circle is the superintendent goal what are those   every year your superintendent has an evaluation  you have a summary conference and you discuss   strengths areas of improvement you have a  pretty usually it's a pretty good discussion   and and how to work better  as a team and then ultimately   there are opportunities for the superintendent  to work on things that he believes will help   make him a better superintendent to support  you and the students of this district   those are superintendent goals they're driven like  i said from primarily from the evaluation process   but they're also driven from

014his professional  development plan that he he maintains for himself   is required to maintain he briefs you every  year that he's got one you you're not required   to approve it but he's required to let you know  that he's working on things those are all part   of his goals so those are superintendent goals and  then the dotted line that takes you to merit goals   that's contractual in the statute uh  you're allowed if you put it into your   superintendent's contract to offer to  the to potentially offer merit goals   merit goals are above and beyond the regular stuff  it's not the day job it's things that you agree to   that will move the needle even higher in the  areas that are important to you as a board for   this district it's very prescriptive that  process a process is controlled

015by the doe you will have a conversation if if it's allowed  and and the superintendent is if it's allowed in   his contract he can request merit goals you  just and you determine if you are going to   offer them this year you have that conversation  superintendent will make some recommendations on   potential goals you all will deliberate discuss  with the superintendent and come to an agreement   on whatever number of merit goals that you  believe are appropriate and then those goals go   to the executive county superintendent executive  county superintendent has the final say on them   and the executive county superintendents do shoot  them back to the board and say unacceptable yeah   one and two are okay three and four you need to  go think of something else because this is the   day job this is what he's already

016being paid to do  so what do i mean by that you set district goals   that's part of the day job district goals in  statute he's going to get evaluated on you're   required to establish your district goals so  him working towards those goals that's part of   his normal operation as a superintendent what  you're looking for what the ecs's are looking   for those things and merit goals that are  above and beyond that are going to take   some extra effort to get whatever it is you you're  trying whatever benefit you're trying to get for   the district that's what merit goals are as  i said very prescriptive approved by the ecs   you execute the year superintendent comes back  at the end of the year and says i've achieved   them he shows data etc to prove it you all say

017yep  looks like you did you got to send those results   to the ecs ecs determines whether  you're allowed to pay it or not   based on you might say oh oh great result ecs  may say not one and two yes didn't achieve it   on three and you can only pay on one and  two ecs has final say on what you pay   on the miracle so it's a very prescriptive process  but those are the four basic types of goals in a   school district i'll stop for a second to see if  anybody has any questions on that because this is   an important point because boards do get confused  between the term board goals district goals and   sometimes they conflate the two together yes all  right so first of all jesse thanks for spending   your evening with us um

018but i guess so for for  mrs neary so are we here to discuss board goals   because it fee it seems like so it and the  question comes out i just want to clarify is   that you know typically at this time of year we  would talk about whatever we'd call it we would   talk about what you would describe as district  goals so i guess just from a level setting like   just you know my understanding is we're here to  talk district polls yeah and that's why i want   to make sure that yes because when i see the term  board goals and i've seen that on your website and   that tends to tell me there might be a little  bit confusion and you're not unique i do this   with every board that i do goal setting with  this

019first conversation i want to make sure   there's nobody who's got a different view of  what they think we're going to work on tonight   i've been asked to help facilitate district  goals tonight okay other questions jesse i thought i heard someone say something oh  okay all right so that that's what just an   explanation of district goals and goals in  general so let's talk about the process i'm   going to walk you through tonight one of  the documents i handed you was a flow chart   it says district goal setting process  has a lot of nice boxes with arrows on it is it easier jesse if you sit down at the table or   in the seat and hold the microphone  i don't want you to have to stand up   better for me because i can see everybody  okay i

020just want to make sure like as you're   standing there speaking to me and i apologize  for the people that i have my back too so   okay so when i do goal setting with the board this  is the process i follow so i want to make sure   this is the first time i'm ever doing goal  setting with you so i want to walk through   the process i typically walk through um just so  you're aware what the steps we're going to take   tonight what i do when i kick off our discussion  is i don't let board members speak first   i want to hear from your educational leader  first that's my process so i will ask your   superintendent to provide some information and  his thoughts from in the context of those thoughts   will be your previous year's goals

021anything you  want to say comment about are there some things in   previous year's goals that you might you being the  superintendent might be recommending to the board   for consideration to carry over and continue and  maybe heighten some things you may have a good   program going that was set up from the previous  goal and it's gotten most of the results you were   looking for but there's more to get he may say we  want he wants to extend that one and carry that as   for another year or whatever but i  give the superintendent the opportunity   to talk about the previous year goals any comments  and things that he wants the board to think about   any potential recommendations around those goals  as well as for the new year that we're looking at   what are those focus areas and

022recommendations  that he and his staff have talked about that he is   recommending to you for consideration remember you  guys are the ones who ultimately have to approve   the goals because they're your goals but i look  for him to give you as much input as possible on   the thoughts of the educators  i will if i if i will capture   those thoughts his thoughts on the on the flip  chart then i will open it up for board members   for your opportunity to provide any of your  thoughts any things that you may be thinking   of or recommendations that you want to put on the  table for consideration i'll capture those once we   have the superintendent's thoughts the board  members thoughts we will have a conversation   as a full board we at board team we will  discuss what's been

023recommended by everyone   and and the goal is to get to a point where  we have a consensus of the three four five   and the sba we all we recommend no more than  five district goals for a school district   five district goals a district that has five  goals is a district similar in size to you   large districts smaller districts you know  thousand students or you know whatever   they're going to have maybe up to three goals why  staffing look at the administrative team a larger   district that has a strong cast of administrators  has the ability to focus on multiple goals   a small district that has a superintendent slash  principal and a ba you give them five goals and   and that will be a struggle getting the day job  and educating the students and and hitting the   goals

024so we tell boards think about your situation  and we tell board members be reasonable that you   understand what your district can handle we  recommend no more than five for districts that use   new jersey school boards evaluation tool the first  section of that is achievement of district goals   the superintendent can only put five up to five  goals into the system and we built it that way   because that's our recommendation for max so  we built it so you can't max out so you can't   go above the max so talking through we hopefully  will get to whatever number of goals you decide   on as a from a consensus so we'll decide on those  areas of focus that you're looking for and then   ideally we'll have some conversation about what's  what what kind of things are you looking for

025in   that focus area and then depending on how this  evening goes because there might be a twist to it   after your superintendent does some some of this  talking but typically once we've gotten to that   point where i have captured and i understand  the the three to four uh or five focus areas   and the kind of thoughts around what what you're  looking for in each of those areas then we will   that's when the evening will end i will take this  information go back and create goal statements   for each one of those focused goal areas i will  return those focus those goal statements back to   the superintendent and your board president for a  meeting with you all to discuss and now you have   at least a baseline to work with and through your  discussion you can wordsmith

026it tweak it modify it   and you don't hurt my feelings if you don't  like my words but it's your opportunity to   take that to make sure it fits what you want  from a goal statement for each of those areas   and if you look at um if you look at  the triangle where it says consensus   that i just talked about getting to that once  we have that i i will go off and create those   statements for you and then return them to you  once you have them back it's up to you to then   get back together have a conversation  with your superintendent on the goal   statements to make sure they're accurate  what and and reflect what you want and then   you've established the what those goal statements  is are what you want as a board so

027you've done   your job from a planning perspective to establish  the what the district gold the how is now   in the superintendent's court i recommend this  process and and what i'll also ask you to pull out   is there's a document a table  document it looks like this it's an action plan template this is  and what we use at ndsba that we give to   boards and superintendents as a template you don't  have to use it but it's what we recommend from an   action planning as it relates to goals so you have  a goal we've agreed goal number one is x y and z   the goal statement would be the x y and z goal  statement superintendent would take that we   would take this or whatever document process he  wants to use but our recommendation is that he  

028now takes that goal statement and creates specific  objectives to focus on that goal area we recommend   you know three four is a reasonable number  of objectives and then for every objective the rest of the document the  action plan gets laid out we talk about smart goals and i have a resource  document that i've given you that talks about   smart goals and this document helps you the  superintendent and the board make sure that   you are creating smart goals those acting plans  you can see they identify the major activities   the major action that you're doing what board and  staff needs there are yeah basically who are those   individuals that are going to be working that  action what resources does the superintendent need   to make that action happen part of your  responsibility is providing resources   for this district

029so that's an opportunity for  him to identify if he needs something special   to complete that action and then timelines the  timeline is the schedule when during the year does   how what is the timeline for the execution of that  action throughout the year and then ultimately how   do you know you achieved it last call indicators  of success we recommend that superintendents when   they do a template similar to this they identify  the staffing resources the timeline that they're   looking at and to tell the board what is going  to be that indicator of success that when we   when i report to you that we've hit that indicator  you know i believe the district has achieved   that accident so that's the template i  will leave basically when i return the   goal statements they will be on this form it

030will  be that goal district goal at the top you'll get   i'll send the superintendent if you have  four goals there'll be four of these sheets in a word format that i will send so  that superintendent can replicate it   and create objectives one objective for this  sheet all the actions associated with that   objective objective two another sheet with  all the action so in the end what you approve   and we recommend you approve your goals and  objectives at the first meeting of the new year   school year in september why do we recommend  that because that's when everybody's back good   time hopefully you you're gonna you know get folks  who've turned out we want to hear what's going on   your staff's back and you're you as a board are  approving the district goals for the new school   year

031and everybody hopefully understands and is  on the same page as this is what the district is   going to focus on for this next year in addition  to everything else we do here are the things we're   trying to achieve this year that will raise the  bar in student achievement and it's a journey peop sometimes board members get impatient we   got to fix everything in one year it  doesn't happen that way in education   so it's important to understand you're you're  on a journey so your district goals should be   helping you take those incremental steps to  improve student achievement in your district so once i return this back to the  board superintendent in the board   superintendent will do his thing and he should  then come back to you and say okay here's   the goals the objectives the actions

032and that's a  conversation the board team has to make sure we're   all on the same page you may have questions he'll  answer the questions there may be modifications   but in the end when you're all done and you're all  on the same page what you approve at that first   meeting is the goal statement the objectives and  the action plan that's the district goals for the   year once you approve them we recommend you stick  them up on the website so everyone can see them   also periodically throughout the year we recommend  that you as a board have a business rhythm   that you get periodic  updates about how we're doing   as a district against the goals so that  you're not waiting until march or april   when it's time for the superintendent start to  start getting his uh self-assessment together  

033for evaluation that you're hearing for the  first time how we did with the goals in theory   by the time you get to march april you should  have a real good idea about how where you   stand on the achievement of your district goals  because you've been getting hopefully periodic   updates throughout to keep you all in the loop  all right so that's uh that's the process that   i typically try to help boards through also  questions on the process comments concerns yes hi thank you for the information um just  a quick question um prior to this meeting dr   molash had shared with us um board goals from  other districts and so i was reading through some   of those and happened just to notice that other  districts had in their goals and kind of their act   their like actionable

034steps that were underneath  them they were not they did not have any kind of   quantitative like measures in there like just  example like reduce student achievement by 10   or by 15 it was more here's our goal here's the  actionable steps that we're going to take to   get there can you just speak to that positive  negatively about like putting like detailed   quantitative like well you know to answer your  question in the in the underneath the circle   document that you had there is another document  that has a big triangle on it so pull that out   and basically njsba's view of goals is that they  should be smart goals some of you may have heard   that term if you work in industry you hear it all  the time i used to work for lockheed martin so i   used

035to hear it all the time but what are smart  goals right they're the basic the acronym stands   for specific measurable achievable relevant  and town bound and so when you look at that um   template i gave you basically those activities  you have to fit by completing this you're going to   have built smart actions so the  goal itself may be overarching   each of the objectives will be specific to  what the superintendent believes he needs   to focus on to achieve that overarching  goal your smart part of your goals will be   spelled out in your action plans so we recommend  the boards this process will give you smart goals   the goal the flow down within the goal gets you  to actions that meet the definition of smart   therefore you have smart goals that's why we tell  boards we recommend

036you approve the whole package   you're not just approving the goal the four  or five goal statements you're approving   the entire game plan for the year that's for  each one of those goals with that objectives   and action plan you've got a smart goal that's  what we recommend we recommend a lot of things   what boards do what they what you know how  they execute it's totally up to you it's not   mandatory we just give you our thoughts on how we  recommend you go about doing that that like i said   that will give you that's why when you say when i  say if you post that on your website someone goes   to say okay well what's goal number one they  would see goal number one the objectives and   all the action plans that's goal one in its  entirety

037that's a smart goal because you've   got those indicators of success the timelines  etc etc so that's that's what we recommend so   i hopefully i answered why you see some things  that may not match what i just talked about so   yes sir yes ma'am i'm sorry so that to the same  question that michelle's just asked like some   of them seem a little like vague i guess because  for me i would say like if you if we're looking at   the one about student voice or something like  that to offer opportunities for student voice   but how are we going to measure that when there's  no actual deliverable on that if we don't put like   measure student voice by having you know  giving us some sort of you know i guess   thing to actually measure and look at  right

038that's where you're going this   this is where this document comes into play  measure student voice that's the that's to   me that sounds more like an objective versus a  goal but let's say using that as a goal example   going to measure student student voice well what  what objectives flow you flow into that what are   the three or four things that we need to focus on  to do that to do that goal and then with each one   of those objectives what are all the actions  and the measurables the indicators of success   are the measurable the data that you should  be looking for as you know proof that these   were accomplished how you measure it that's where  you're going to get that detail you're not going   to write a goal statement that has all those  measurements in the

039goal statement so that's   that's what i think clarifies it for me so we are  going to get specific with what we're actually   going to measure to make sure that the goal was  obtained or reached however it doesn't have to   sum up to this overall goal statement that we say  that we lay out it can be a little bit general and   then the actions will show we're actually making  it specific most basic the basic goal statement   usually is somewhat overarching for a specific  area it's the granularity and the detail and   the work is the objectives and the action plan  and like i said it could be the big thing to me i was a board member for 22 years sitting on two  boards when the law allowed that i was a glutton   for punishment i was

040born president seven years on  one four years on the other and the most important   element on the action plan for me as a board  member was that last column the indicators of   success so when our superintendent put put  the objectives in the action plan together   he told us what was what was going to  be that item that you as a board member   would see and the district would see that would  indicate the data and the information that proved   it was successful so throughout the  year we were looking for what what   i used to call it the red yellow green the  stoplight activities are related back to my   lucky days but red yellow green if there's an  action it's due within the next six months and   the superintendent said hey we're we're red  there red means

041we're we're in trouble we're   not achieving what we need to achieve yellow means  we we're we we may need we have some work to do   green means we're on track so the conversation  with the board was hey we're yellow in this area   on these actions and the superintendent will  tell us what the return to green plan was what   are the things we're doing to get back on track  and or maybe something has happened in the state   that's changed what we're what we're trying to  do and can do and the superintendent tells you   that but at least based on that indicator  of success you can have that conversation   superintendent can keep you updated  on how you're tracking as a district did that give you a warm fuzzy feeling i  mean it makes sense i guess because

042i like   i don't want to get too specific but like when  i see stuff like analyze school start time end   times and convene discussions involving students  staff members parents and community then i would   immediately want to be like that that results  in what that so that's what i'm asking you know   and so you know so i don't know yep no i  understand what you're saying um the uh   before i get off of this did i  answer the smart question smart   okay so we're good there um all right so the other  documents i gave you i'm not going over i'm sorry   that's okay just a quick question um   some of the example sample goals we were shown  from other districts had longer term more than   one year goals right and and i think they're  definitely if

043we're going more big picture   there's going to be that component so do we take  the longer term and just kind of think about like   year one year two year three and then this and do  we also state the longer term or do we yes you can   they you know there's nothing district goals  are annual goals but there's nothing wrong   with multi-year goals that's perfectly all  right what when i see a multi-year goal   what i typically see in the action  plan the timeline is going to tell you   you know this year we're going to do this  this and this next year we're going to do   this this and this here's the timeline  here's the indicators of success so   how do you assess that when the superintendent  is being evaluated you're going to focus on those   those

044actions that were required in this  multi-year goal that were going to be achieved   this year he'll he'll he'll do his self-assessment  to let you know everything he did you know for the   items scheduled for this year to make it happen  so the goal itself may not fully be achieved yet   but you are able to evaluate in progress where  you're at and are you making the right are you   moving towards achievement significant improvement  significant progress et cetera et cetera um   so you can there's nothing wrong with that and  a lot of districts do i have a couple districts   i did goal setting with and they carried over one  of the one or two of their goals from the previous   year because there there they were programs that  they wanted to continue but they also wanted to  

045tweak it to add because it was so successful  we want to add another group or another area   but that's perfectly within your purview  to have multi-year goals okay the other   documents are resource documents only i give  them to you you'll see they talk about data   we tell boards all the time make  your decisions based on data   don't base it on emotion don't base it on  a whim a perception base your decisions on   data there is a ton of data in education and your  superintendent probably provides you a ton of it   on a routine basis but as you look at your your  goals and objectives and actions for the year base   everything base it on data look for results that  that give you those indicators of success that you   can tie back to data so those

046those sheets i gave  you were just a couple of um tools on you know the   decision-making cycle questions school boards  should ask because a lot of times they say well   we're not we don't run the district then you don't  but what are appropriate questions from our level   uh so that we're not uh crossing that line into  into administration and this gives you the kind of   you know how boards can ask and discuss data the  kind of things that are at the level that you are   that keeps you out of that danger of trying to run  the day-to-day of the school so focusing on data   gives you an idea of where the pulse is  where you're going what the trends are   that's how you know as a board which is your  responsibility to ensure that the

047district   is being well run you do that through data that's  how you that's how you get the pulse so those are   resource documents you can throw in your board  bag and so with that um let's get rolling um uh one is one i'm going to pass out i yeah i gave them all a copy mr adams they have that in paper form as i well turn it over to your superintendent  right now to let him just talk about last   year's goals some of the things they're  recommending for this year uh and then we'll   get to board comments and then we'll go from  there i'm going to slide the chart over here very good thank you mr adams and thank you for the very detailed discussion going over process  and information and what it looks like

048for the   development of goals the board members each have  a copy of our board goals the the goals from   last year 2020 21 and then a draft for this year  2021-22 you've also received these electronically   they have not changed since you received them  electronically just from a for a little background   uh mr adams you know as we looked at goals the  development of the of the goals for 2021 2020 2021   last summer and into the fall it was a little bit  different for us as an educational organization   in february of 2020 the board of education  adopted three strategic planning goals   that followed a strategic planning process within  the district those three strategic planning goals   were centered under student wellness purpose  and passion and connecting beyond our classrooms   and were set to extend to establish a

049long-range  vision for the district to follow from 2020   through 2025. so as we went into the process  last summer and into the fall we adjusted   the structure with which we used to develop the  goals for a number of years we had maintained the   same topic area or the same topical areas of the  goals typically there were about four goals or so   some years there may have been a fifth  very rarely did we ever go down to three   but typically there were four goals that were  adopted last year we did adopt three goals and   again under those headings of student wellness  purpose and passion uh and connecting beyond our   classrooms we had discussion during the course of  the year about where where we were in achievement   our process within the district is we have the 19 

050building principles and the assistant principals   at the middle schools and high schools they  develop their own building goals and then their   own professional goals based on the district goals  that are initially adopted so it carries the work   uh down to the level with the students and  with the staff within each of the smaller   educational communities in the draft of the  goals that i presented or the you know that   were developed and i'm thankful that the  the central administrative team is here   um you know that all but two of our members two  of our superintendents are unable to be with us   tonight they are on vacation the rest of the  team is seated over on the side uh everybody   has had input into the goal development we kept  the goals underneath those same three areas   again

051continuing with the the board's  intention of the long-range vision and   the long-range planning student wellness purpose  and passion and connecting beyond our classrooms   there is some carryover from last year into this  year some of that necessitated by the fact that   the school year certainly did not look like a  traditional school year as we were impacted by the   pandemic and the things that came along with that  so under the area of student wellness you know the   the first piece that identifies continue the work  of the district-wide student wellness committee   with representation from each school continuing on  from last year was develop and launch the student   wellness tab ontario public schools website that  highlights the social emotional learning core   competencies wellness and relational strategies  document the incorporation of the thrive alliance   training and daily practice at all

05219 schools  we are working as a school district with thrive   alliance during this year who's  providing training to our counseling   and student assistance counselor staff throughout  the district that's going on throughout the course   of the academic year so looking at the training  that happens with the adults and then how   is it being implemented in daily practice and  then monitor the implementation of care solus   as a district resource uh fair solas has been  presented to the board this is a concierge   service to match up mental health services with  students and with staff members this will be   initiated we have training at the end of the  summer and this will be initiated through the   district throughout the course of the academic  year but as a service that will provide for the   700 employees and 11 000 or

053so students second  stage was analyze school start times and end times   convene discussions involving students  staff members parents and community   this is something that came up as as part of the  discussions with the board during the 2020-21   academic year growing out of adjustment  in our schedule at the high school level   and over a longer term discussion about school  start times with high school students in looking   at school start times because of the way  that we operate in cherry hill anytime   you talk about school start time you also talk  about school end time and it is connected what   goes on at the high school level the middle  school level and the elementary school level   third one was promote shared ethical and  performance values visibly and comprehensively for   students and staff through the district's cultural  proficiency equity

054and character education work   and underneath that analyze school and  district information regarding discipline   student placement and student performance  outcomes implement a district-wide equity   audit pursue district-wide quote no place for hate  designation through the anti-defamation league   provide anti-bias training to all district  staff revise the student code of conduct at   all levels using the equity and character  education competencies to guide the process   in the second area of focus under purpose and  passion building principles will adopt building   specific goals that align with the district's  strategic planning goals building-based goals   will review data-driven and research-based  school action plans that are specific measurable   attainable results oriented and time-bound and  that build on demonstrated success again if you   were to go to the first letters of each of those  pieces you would recognize smart as mr adams   talked about multiple student

055learning outcomes  will be assessed to determine the effectiveness of   the academic program defining success to include  traditional assessments and non-traditional   assessments especially in light of what's occurred  with the pandemic during the course of the last   18 months we have involved ourselves a great  deal more in talking about how do we define   and measure student success what does that look  like beyond the traditional paper and pencil   number two monitor the academic program with a  focus on the road forward plan student assessments   the implementation of the african-american studies  course this is a new graduation requirement at the   high school level and high school concepts  classes this is a change in the delivery   of special classes at the high school level  in terms of how they are being staffed   number three create share and document  opportunities at the

056school and district level for   student voice number four analyze hiring practices  and outcomes in diversifying the certificated   staff and underneath that update job descriptions  and job postings to reflect the district that   values diversity equity and inclusion to attract  and retain candidates from a diverse background   the number five create an actionable  plan to develop a bond referendum   this is a carryover as well from 2020-21  develop and publish a time frame for a bond   vote communicate information obtained  from the facilities analysis of the   current physical structures within  the district to determine the scope   b identified projects to be included in the bond  referendum c provide the opportunity for two-way   communication between the board of education and  stakeholder groups including students faculty and   staff community members and then on the third area  of focus under connecting beyond our

057classrooms   number one create share and document  opportunities at the school and district level   for student service activities number two  develop opportunities for students to meet with   to meet with interact with communicate with  peers and professionals beyond the cherry hill   school district document share the opportunities  creating a set of best practices to be enhanced   in subsequent academic years that would carry over  into subsequent years number three analyze the   sending areas for the three middle schools and 12  elementary schools developing a comprehensive plan   for boundary adjustments and number four analyze  budgeting practices and allocation of funds   review middle school supply and cost allocations  align use of capital reserve funds with bond   referendum decisions design projects with a  holistic approach analyze budget structure the   individual budget lines modify and condense where  optimal and work with grant writer to

058seek grant funding so those are the areas i would  contend again with the administrators a rather   robust and um exciting set of areas to  focus on during the course of the year board members open it up for comments  questions other recommendations yes thank you thank you joe this is very robust and  detailed and um you know i went through as you   were reading them and um had read them before  the um you know the action words that we have   analyze create communicate all of those things  tell us what we're going to do there is one that   to corrin's comment about measure measurable  and it's under purpose and passion   number two where it says  monitor the academic program so i guess to me that's a little vague you know  not and so i'm wondering like what

059we can do what   does that entail how will we measure it what will  what will tell us about the monitoring process   if we're moving forward or what it what is it that  we want to measure with that okay i would add to   that mrs matlock we're like is it monitoring for  efficacy are we just monitoring for to see that we   implement it or completed it or that kind of  thing so that that would stick out to me as well so i like this action plan format because i think  when you attempt to take these goals and put it in   this format that's when you're going to have the  challenge to see what resources timelines and the   indicators is going to help flush what makes  sense and what doesn't this is a really clean   simple way

060to do it because i think we don't want  to over complicate so for me i i see components in   here of things i would ideally want to address  as a goal like the boundary adjustments and   the reconfiguration and then we need to get the  timelines in there and the indicators around that but i think it's it's ideation still just a couple  of thoughts um you know in in trying to prepare   i'm this is my first year in the board so it's  very new for me but in trying to prepare i really   thought about kind of why i even ran for the board  and why what do i feel like you know what i what   are the pain points that i think we see in the  district right that i feel like need to is our  

061job to kind of identify and really help move  the needle with and there's a few items for me   i think redistricting we're on the path for that i  think that's really important to continue on that   although it's not a primary focus for  me certain um personally in terms of my   the reason you know that my involvement  with the board but i absolutely am 100   behind the effort we were focusing on bond so  that's really important um we've also had this   long-standing goal of what we used to call closing  the achievement gap i don't know if that's still   what we call it but we consistently have the same  low math testing scores on statewide community   on the state testing compared to other districts  which is now a little bit up in the air with with   the

062lack of testing for now two years in a row  but to me that's a really critical issue that we   really look at specifically how do we improve our  math achievement and in thinking about that you   know i'm not an educator so i don't kind of know  what's a realistic measurable goal i thought 10   percent improvement you know what but we need some  data and we need something to work towards and   and part of that one of the efforts the district  is already in process towards that is changing   the math curriculum at the middle school level  but there's a longer range plan for that so i to   me like that math curriculum assessment and the  math achievement which to me is also feeds into   kind of like the modernizing of our approach  to learning you know

063mapping and science being   more and more prominent in kind of connecting  beyond the classroom what kids are doing after   they finish k through 12 ensuring they've got  a really good foundation because it's a really   big piece of it so like that's something that i  think about um again not it's all new to me so i   these are just ideas i'm really excited  you're here to help us with them those are the kind of things that you as a  board you need to be thinking about what are   the aspirations yes community because that's part  of your responsibility is to know right understand   what the aspirations are of your community for  the students in your district and one and one   of the other pain points that's that i talk about  a lot and i ask questions about

064a lot is special   education specifically and you know aspirationally  to me i think about how do we focus more on kind of supporting our students in special ed  in the ways that help them be successful rather   than focusing so much on compliance  which i think is more of where we've you know i i think we see we we've seen  a lot i think you know my understanding   and i could be wrong but i think that we  we have we have data that shows that we   probably need to shift our focus a little bit and  i think and i don't know how we i don't know the   right measurement i don't know if it's kind of  looking at like decreasing our due process num   you know percentages um because that may indicate  that we're moving away

065from more of like a   compliance focus and more towards like how do  we provide for the needs um so and and i and i   so those are just kind of like aspirational  big my big picture thoughts coming into this um   and i just i just i'm a little like some of  the things i was a little confused about and   just trying to understand um mr adams like  you're you talking i've talked about like   the day-to-day like it's already  part of the job versus like what's   so some of the things that are on here are things  we've imp we're implementing and i would assume   are we have to assess as we go along are they  successful is that something we should have as   a goal like if we've hired an outside group to  provide a service

066is that part of a goal to make   sure that we're monitoring that or is that more  part of the day-to-day to me asking me if you   brought in a service organization to help in a  certain area you want to know that those dollars   are being well spent i wouldn't establish a goal  to track that and monitor that i would expect the   staff superintendent and the manager the managers  of that service to periodically come back and tell   you how your dollars are being spent yes you all  provided the resources so that we could contract   with xyz corporation because we told you this is  the benefit we're going to get for our students   so you guys prove the expenditure you should  want to know are our dollars being well spent and   superintendent can very easily provide data

067and  information on we invested and here's what we're   getting here's the bang for the buck that we're  getting but i wouldn't set that as a specific goal   that you would monitor the track i  would i would rely on that being part of   the business rhythm the day-to-day operations and  the periodic updating of some of the special items   that may have been in that this board may  have invested in for the district okay so   maybe some of these that are like that specific  that are more like monitoring activities versus   planning a new approach on how to get there or  making a specific you know looking for a specific   like decrease or increase or maybe that's a  little bit maybe those are not i mean yeah   i mean that was my thought because i'm not sure  that

068those are exactly goals or objectives but   well they would monitor me they would be part of  an action plan an action plan so if you had a goal   that um in fact what i what i when i i did look at  um when your superintendent told me that back in   february you guys established your strategic plan  goals i believe under student wellness purpose   and passion connecting beyond our classrooms  there is a goal statement for each one of those   and i see it in the minutes of your strategic  planning committee student wellness the goal   statement around student wellness is create  frameworks of learning and supports for all   students to develop the skills needed for  social and emotional wellness it really ties   into that student so that's your from a strategic  planning perspective that's your overarching goal

069what you take for that on an annual basis  you should take that overarching goal   and each year superintendent would  identify some several specific objectives   that the district is going to go after to achieve  that goal and then for each of those objectives   if you develop action plans you've got the smart  actions that you need for in that that will give   you ultimately those indicators and the data that  you you get to see how you're doing your second   one purpose and passion develop highly engaging  learner-centered experiences within an environment   that promotes voice choice and passion for  learning can the third one is connecting beyond   our classrooms provide resources opportunities  and experiences for our students to connect to   the world beyond their classrooms and to become  informed empathetic agents of change in the world   one of the

070things i'm looking  for is you know to your point the focus on the achievement assessments  closing the achievement gap improving   professional development staff skills techniques  i would say that probably falls into your purpose   and passion role developing highly engaged  engaging learner-centered experiences within   an environment that provides promotes voice  choice and passion for learning within that goal   these are the kind of things that i would expect  to show up as objectives focused on different   elements of your education process student  achievement the whole child development those kind   of things and then specific actions tied to those  objectives on things that you're doing in the   district that would be measurable and you could  see the outcomes as you as you're going through   the year that's how i would see the linkage i  look at these goals i could

071i i saw the staff   wellness and all i said okay well there's there's  got to be more to this and that's where i saw this   language so i'm assuming that is the correct  language for your strategic planning goals so   kind of if you follow that flow you've got your  goals to me these would be more of objectives   and then and some of these some of the  sub-bullets are actions so so in my flow my   thinking just looking at it for the first  time over the last two days preparing to   come in here and and i i was missing this piece  until your superintendent told me today that the   board had approved three strategic planning goals  focused around these three areas and when i found   the language i could connect the dots and for me  looking

072at it i said you've got three multi-year   goals because that's what they are because it  says here on this 2020-2025 i'm assuming that's   your thought process that you've approved so to me  every year those three those are your three goals goal setting periods those are your three goals  but the objectives will be different every year   to take those incremental steps to meet  that overarching goal so that in 2025 when   you complete this strategic plan journey you  will have achieved what what your overarching   statement says and the objective evidence will be  the objectives that you identified each year to   focus on and the actions that got accomplished in  those years and the data the indicators of success   that show you're moving the needle ahead in each  one of these areas that's right that was a missing  

073piece for me coming in for today once i had that  i because when i looked at these originally i   said they seem to be more objective type action  type there's got to be more and i said that was a   missing piece of the puzzle and it just happened  into in the conference my conversation with the this is just me talking outside or looking at  the process i see you've got three goals i see   what you what your superintendent is recommending  potentially are specific objectives focused in   each one of these areas and like i said there are  some actions i think there's to your point about   the action plan um details resources timelines  that's the work that we're not going to do tonight   but i think that's that's the work that  i would recommend would be

074the next   step assuming because you already have goals i  don't think we need to reinvent goal statements   because you've got three that you've  committed to for the next five years i guess   really your focus now is developing objectives  for the 20 21 22 year that you're doing today so   i think there was some confusion when we generated  those jesse because there was an understanding   that that was the strategic vision versus ongoing  goal statements that would be the accountability   year over year which thankfully these items  roll into that but then how do we ensure   that we capture these items as part of the goals  right like so i see equity that's a very broad   piece right it encompasses special needs we  would want ada under that ada compliance right   like how do you have equity and

075not capture  any of those items so like how do we ensure   that we capture that within our district goals  for the year now that we understand that these   the strategic vision has now become more than  i think we understood it to be and some of us   were part of that process for those two days  that's how i read it once i got to see that   that's what it's become yes but i don't know  that everybody understood that at that time   so now that we've got an understanding that that's  unless i'm wrong but i was there and that was some   i confusion see if these were more five-year goals   the objectives would be how you get through  those other items that you're talking about   how do you capture equity how do you capture the  student achievement

076how do you capture um anything   that you want to focus on from a special needs  perspective i would say you take the appropriate   one of the three areas that it falls  under because these are umbrellas   and create objectives for the year of what  specific area you'd like the district to focus on   and then develop action plans around in  that's where i think this is so helpful   yes and these dots get connected ruth i'm sorry  i do yeah i can't see your hand thank you ken i know i've gotten so accustomed to it sorry i was  just gonna comment based on what you were saying   jesse like i'm following what you're saying and  understood it to be and i'll just use this as an   example i don't have i'm not saying this in my  opinion either

077way this is just an example but   taking the overarching goal of purpose and passion  and then using the example of if the focus was   math dr molash has already outlined number  two monitoring the academic program with   a specific focus on a is the road forward b  student assessment c i mean to me if that's   what the goal was we would add e and then slot  in if we wanted a specific focus on math like it   would make practical sense to me  that that's where that would fit   exactly what you just said purpose  and passion would be the overarching   number two would be one of the objectives and  then these would be you would slate them in where   it would be appropriate for action plans correct  give you the evidence that you're being addressed   okay what

078steps you're taking that's how i  would envision taking this and meshing that all   into something that comes back to the board with  data and then if i'm understanding that not being   and then making sure that it's reasonable and then  you could then insert this is a four-year timeline   because to you know something like that because  we don't decide how the district gets there   that's hey this is what we'd like to see the  district comes back and says fantastic we hear   you that's gonna that that's gonna take four or  five years to to achieve and then we can outline   the timelines and how we're going to measure this  gives the superintendent the ability to tell you   for every item you want focused on what's the  game plan what's the actions what's the timeline   something like let's

079say you wanted to  address achievement in the math area   he will come back with recommendations on  the kind of improvements and the things that   we want to do with the target and that target may  be a three-year target so his timeline would build   an action plan and some of those items you would  see in this year next year and the following year   and then next year when you go through it he would  revise it he may need to modify some of those cur   what he planned for that second year but then you  have that multi-year and you have the measurements   and the info so that you so that throughout  those throughout this journey you're getting data   that helps you understand how are we approaching  the indicators of success that we were hoping to   get to

080this family so so then because  i i want to make sure i'm not confused   first question and i know this takes us like way  back like a billion steps to like 6 45 but this   says board education goals but these are we are  doing district goals right now right when i first   saw your the title on when i went to your website  it said board of education goals that's why   i said we need to have a conversation so that so  this so the first thing that should say district   goal just come up with our own okay got that clear  then the second thing is i kind of was looking   as you're teaching i'm seeing the same thing of  like these are very excellent actionable steps but   i think what i'm hearing you say is for

081student  wellness we just need one overarching sentence   to agree on because much of what they  have here is already the nuts and bolts   of the the activities or indicators of  what needs to get done we just don't have   the one overarching statement about student  wellness as our ultimate end game end goal   but the ones that you have there those are for  the strategic plan and not for the district plan   so do we want are we keeping those two things as  two separate things or are we meshing them to one   typically in your districts who have a  strategic plan a strategic plan shakes   it's usually a multi-year plan because when we do  our strategic plans with boards they're three to   five years depending on the length of time they  want to plan to be developed once

082they develop   the plan they have overarching goals that are  established with objectives and actions those   actions typically spell out the next five years  you you you the framework is there for your annual   actions and your goals that you're that  you're taking on so in this case um it's   your question of well we don't have  that overarching statement i believe   and i could be wrong like i  said i'm i'm looking at this   from my perspective seeing all these things  over the last two days for the first time   you have a statement on wellness that says  create frameworks of learning and supports for   all students to develop the skills needed for  social and emotional wellness so if you go to   your superintendent's document at the draft  document basically those are the steps that   get us there yep

083i could i would say um  student wellness that what i just read   is the goal statement right then below that  so you know these some of these are all you   would do as an objective as objectives and then  some are action steps then you're going to build   action steps right some of these look like more  like action steps that should be in the action   section of an action plan with staffing resources  timelines and then how do i know we've achieved   right so at this point then it seems and i think  um mrs arroyo's in agreement at this point we need   to decide if if what you guys what was set  before as the strategic goals are we keeping   those and meshing the two and trying to find ways  to adopt the two or are you

084keeping them separate   uh go ahead ms freydell and then i'll jump in i  actually just wanted to make a couple of overall   comments not not to answer that that question  and i then i think to that question that's a   board decision it's not like that's what we  all have to come to agreement on about the   are the strategic goals going to be the district  goals and then work from there can i just say   typically your strategic plan helps shape your  annual goals because you've got a plan you've   thought about where you want to go how do you get  there no listen personally i think it makes sense   and i can tell at least administratively we've  been operating since february of 2020 that these   are the three goals i mean you know when we  do the

085presentations even in the updates with   return to learn we keep the we go over the mission  statement we go over the three goals that guide us   these are our center this is what directs us this  is what make decisions based on uh are these three   goals you know we we took it administratively  that that's was the charge that the board   gave to us you know in making that adoption right  i mean so i think there's a logic to the strategic   goals and the district goals being aligned um and  working from there but a couple of the thoughts   that i have i guess maybe the the things that  keep me up at night or wake me up or whatever   is you know we one of the beautiful things about  cherry hill is the diversity of the

086community and   and it's diverse in multiple facets um and i think  i think to me we need to address that diversity uh   beyond just like equity but um students who  aren't going to pursue secondary education   how are we making sure that we're giving them  a foundation for their success that may not   include post-secondary i think what mrs  miri touched on a little bit earlier   mrs stern you know when we look at cultural uh  proficiency and equity that we are inclusive of of   everything so you know students with disabilities  are also looked at in that lens um they're at the   table we're bringing people to the table at at  as i like to say at the appetizer not at dessert   i also um just want to make  sure that i'm i'm understanding   also um that we

087have timelines so when i  look at what was presented the draft and   i know we're moving moving this around but like  when i look at number two analyze school start   times and end times that's very open-ended  um there's not and make a recommendation   so what happens with this analysis is and i guess  that would come in the timeline that you know if   that were one of them one of them when i look  at the let's just use that one as an example   to me there's it needs more it needs more  work more yes some something else there   for me looking at it i can analyzing start times  convenient discussions with students and what are   we trying to accomplish right and my last the  last thing is that i think that when we when we   have

088when we're looking at data we need to really  be looking at subgroups of data so when i look at   like monitor the implementation of care solus as  a district resource which is a concierge service   i was not at that meeting so my my takeaway is  it's almost like a resource and referral line   where you can call and get you know this is my  insurance and here are providers so i think it's   really important if we're going to be monitoring  that we're monitoring you know are our at promise   students use a lot using this service are they  following through if they're not is it because   they can't get there their parents can't take a  day off from work so that we're not just looking   at the broader that we the the service received 17  000 calls

089right but who's calling and who's going   so i think that comes into like the the indicators  or so forth but i think we need to be really clear   that we want it broken out so that  we're really looking at that eleven   thousand students oh and i do have one other  sorry i didn't i did not know what kara solos was   so there you go now that i've heard what  it is typically third-party organizations   the top part of the conversation is okay how  do we know this is a worthwhile service to us   right what are the metrics that you are going  to provide us that we can use right and they   will most companies will tell you here here are  the things that we could provide the data and   then you as a board say okay

090all this data what  are the key indicators that we want to focus on   and get that data on an ongoing basis so typically  that's part of the contract right or things that   you talk about with themselves right that's  where i because i wouldn't know off the top   to your point yeah you got so many calls that's  great but what else is there that we need to know   right if we're going to make this a worthwhile  service to the community to the to the district   and you most companies will be able to give you  the kind of data that they're sharing with other   districts etcetera yeah just do it just as a as a  caveat because we're going to have to talk to care   solas i don't know that they're going to tell us  the children

091the contact because it's would be a   hipaa violation well we don't want their names  but we can know you know 60 had medicaid 40. okay you're not in your contract i guarantee  you if i was running a company and   we'd negotiate a contract and you're  asking me now for something that   i didn't sign up for i'm  gonna tell you i can do it that yeah need to do so that i get those costs  covered oh yeah you're 100 right contracting law   the terms and conditions will dictate if that's  not available you can have that conversation   because if there's data you want and they can  provide then it's just a matter of are you willing   to pay for that pay the cost to get that data  right you might need another way to measure the them

092directly acceptance and and maybe  the contract is like that but i know in   healthcare sometimes you know you can say  well we also need to report on this to see   i mean if they want to continue the  contact with us they might be motivated is the direct contact with the care solos folks  and i don't know that whether we are crossing   over into you guys want data to know is it  being effective and we can talk about that   then we'll go to miss mallory she'll go with the  contact there will you know what i mean like i   don't know i don't know how deep the board is  going to take this over but i just i just think   like like an example for the indicators of success  like 17 000 calls is not necessarily an

093indicator   of success so you as a board as a board team  you need to discuss what are in data in general   i tell dear boards all the time you need to  identify what those key performance indicators are   in multiple areas because you can't you can't  watch everything right right you can't monitor   everything what are those key performance  indicators that make sense that if you see   it and it's trending in the right direction you  as a board have a good feel that from your having   the pulse on the district that the district  is moving in the right direction okay but you   have to make those decisions yeah i'm done thank  you don't get in the weeds too much too because   you know he dr milo has on here that these are  the actionable steps and so

094these are the steps   that if i'm a building principal i'm gonna go to  these action steps looking at those three bullet   goals and saying what now can my building do so  i i mean i i also pulled out that statement as   well because i immediately thought monitor the  implementation and utilization of care solas   as a district resource um but then i would see  a principal putting some bullets under that of   maybe measuring number of referrals or whatever  but that's not for us to put in here because   that's just two and a two heavy in the weeds  i feel like it's a flow down yeah the board   establishes district goals and the superintendent  slows that down because those are his goals right so we would say you know hey we want to we want to  know

095the implementation utilization and maybe the   results the efficacy or end result if we can in  some way then they can come up with the deeper in   the weeds portion of that he's evaluating every  one of his team right he's establishing goals   with them trust me no superintendents  when they set goals with their staff   there are lines in the bowl that he's being held  together and that's what the board is expecting   and then they get evaluated  on their ability to support got it so for for us for i guess my question is  again i i kudos to the admin team for putting   these and it's very and had i read this one  sentence the these are the measurable actions   that we're going to take to achieve the  three goals do we have the three statements   that

096were under wellness passion   and connecting the original three statements  because that's where we would be yes we do okay were they the memo ben did you also have a question i'm sorry okay so i so i wrote a bunch of stuff uh just  kind of waiting but i think you know so for   strategic planning vision which if you look  at the people assembled in the room i mean   i think it's different i think it's different  in one sense but i i think they have to align   in the other sense so i think there's this issue  first of all of nomenclature right we need three   four five buckets the question is you know how do  we define those buckets you could define student   wellness for instance we're doing a bond why it  works into student wellness

097right but at the same   time i wouldn't use wellness purpose and passion  in connecting beyond the classrooms to totally   orient our discussion or to say these are three of  five buckets that should be there and i i'm gonna   get to to four that i think are really good in a  second but i i think we need to be bigger and when   i say bigger i also mean you know so i think we  need to know i think we need information that dr   molash is our expert from but we don't have here  and i don't have it all right so i'm not from this   world but you know what are the macro trends right  there are trends that are happening nationwide   there there are trends probably that are  international as well and how do we marry  

098these trends with what's happening in new jersey  and cherry hill cove it happened that is a massive   major disruption to the educational community at  least nationwide and beyond what does that mean   a lot of people are thinking a lot of great things  the person in this room who knows the most about   that is dr milaj and i think that why right  that start with why ted talk we've all watched   it's critical right if you ask me about non-profit  which is what i work in i could tell you that you   know 35 to 40 percent of nonprofits weren't coming  back that creates a major disruption in the space   that means there's a lot of people in greater  need potentially that have a lot fewer but but   that those pieces are are critical when we're  thinking about

099board level goals okay moving on   a sense of the workflow we we we entrust you  know over a thousand people to do the work   that we set in motion what what is the workflow  and i think the other piece with that when we get   into the action plan is can this board commit to  that workflow it doesn't make sense to say let's   do boundary readjustment let's go out for the bond  if we're not going to actually support that work   i think part of this is kind of on us to  say what would it mean for us to support it   you know i think to me their safety and our  current draft goals that's too safe like we   need to be a little bit i think aggressive and  figure out as a board what can we

100commit to   can we commit to a bond i can i think this board  can can we commit to this boundary readjustment i   can and i believe the board can i think there's  a certain statement here that's not just on our   administrators it's on this team piece to say this  is what we're going forward with it's not a check   box it's it's not it's not it's not a workflow  it's not a bunch of tasks we're doing this we're   doing this because it's right it doesn't always  have to be popular and you know we'll try to   sell to you or we'll we'll tell you why we're  doing it and why it's right even though you're   not on board whatever it is kpis i think are  absolutely critical um and i think defining them   is is critical you

101know for instance you know okay  we're going to get a no place for hate designation   why and not even why like maybe no place for hate  i don't think there's anyone on the board that's   against that but is the work worth that particular  designation you know there's a piece on here about   implementing um the african-american history class  but i have every you know i have every belief that   will do that i mean that to me that that's that  was a board goal last year absolutely appropriate   yeah you know this year and to put it into motion  you know i mean there's a trust that's missing   here that i have in our administrators i know they  can get a wellness committee together i know they   can do it well i know they can convene it and 

102bring back good stuff but i don't want to see   that here if i had to pick four my closing thought  i know i've spoken too much my closing thought   is this if i had to do four buckets and i didn't  have this in front of me i would say there's macro   district structure pieces that we must address  to me it is a facility future that includes   potential bond work that includes what we do with  cap reserve that includes what we do in the course   of business there is boundary adjustment in equity  considerations that's a major load of work that   we've asked in in many ways we need to be i think  explicit about that and move forward with that   some kind of recommendations something that macro  shifts the way this this district is oriented to  

103be better not just to be different not to create  disruption but because we believe as a board team   that that's better that's number one number two  student achievement right how many times can mr   adams say student achievement's critical we all  know it our administrators know we all know it   we've got to do more than know it what does it  mean where do we baseline it i i think an issue   we're going to have if we're talking about  a ten percent here or five percent there is   with what baseline you know what where do we go  where are we you know where does the data take us   and something that we can support is appropriate  kpi and that may not be a paper and pencil test   and that may not be summative and you know  i'm

104speaking in language i don't know but   i don't know what it is but just something  something that's real and and solid and that we   can all get behind and say this is how we measure  student achievement this is why we do it's why   it's important and we're going to continue  to talk about it if if if it's bad it's bad   if it's good it's good it's never going to be  one or the other but here's the nuance here's   who's maybe getting left behind here's how we  can identify all right so that was two number   three i just don't believe that covid is going  to be anything more than a five to ten year   level disruption how does it affect us this  is the biggest thing that's happened a lot of   people talk about populational pieces

105right ell  students students with special needs students   of color students who for whom there's a digital  divide issue or whatever it is how do we identify   those guys but how do we also have that be  individualized there are plenty of ell students   that are doing amazing uh maybe there are you  know students with special needs that this has   been an unbelievable opportunity great there has  to be some kind of individual piece and we don't   track it as a board individually but how do we  study this as as as a group and i think for me   student wellness fits into this the isolation  the depression i mean the documented studies   you know children have not interacted in what we  would consider a normal way for a long time you   get them back together it's very different

106so i  think and you know we're talking about care souls   whatever the mechanisms what's important how do  we do this how do we intervene how do we track it   how do we how do we define success and then how do  we deliver it and then i think for me the fourth   would be you know world-class experiences  let's be amazing at stuff right we've got   like national and internationally recognized  students let's do more of that um and how do   we make sure every student has a pathway right we  talked about esports it is great i mean you know   esports one of the things about is is students  with special needs can participate fully in that   right you try to get people into robotics and  sports whatever it is whatever the the things are   all these great

107things and then i think you know  i don't know this sounds a little callous when i   say but like we have a product right we have these  amazing wonderful students they've got different   pathways for success vocational military they're  going to college they're going to be entrepreneurs   and develop apps in the gig economy i don't  know i don't know what any of that means but   we want to make sure that we're great at  that right that in the next step that they   take from our from our doors that they're  amazing so these are the four i could really   you know get behind i think there's baselining  to be done but you know i mean and all of all of   the what's in the draft i mean all this could  fit in there but i just think

108the bucketing   like it it's it's more important than i think  maybe we give it credit for sometimes um and so   okay that was a lot sorry so i have a couple of  comments so i think i'm sorry to interrupt you   i just want to point out board members we're  back to recording our board meetings in the   back so please when you're speaking make sure the  microphone is close and that you're speaking into   the microphone so that they can hear it whoever  might be watching it from from home thank you   thanks so i think for clarification for corrine  the way i see those three strategic planning goals   are like the compass and everything should  flow up to that somehow and then we have   the district goals some could be  annual some could carry over longer   for

109me this all makes sense it sounds silly but  as i look at this document this is very clean   if you can get it into this you  can action it you can measure it   we understand what the measures are before you  get to the end of the year because if we're   looking at it and we don't know the measure until  we're rating it that somehow does not seem fair   and we didn't know a line on what is that measure  until we're measuring it so for me it's got to   work in this form this this makes him and it's  it's like keep it simple stupid like it's simple   um and i think we're starting to shake out  what that framework is and what's important   and some of it is already here in some objectives  some actionable steps

110i think some of it's here   and then we're seeing what may not be clearly  articulated we're putting there at least how   i see it shaking out right now that's  what i'm seeing good sorry miss sugars   i think my confusion was i originally looked at  this and was like oh these are not goals in here   and they because they don't have blah blah so  that's why i was kind of thinking the same thing   that mrs stern was thinking and so i had pulled  out stuff like well where's the measurement part   of it but now that i'm like oh crain you should  have read this first of all because it says these   are actions and now the statements make sense  and so now i i get more of why you said you're   going to go back and

111come back to us with three  things with whatever you know we come from after   we run through this plan as a team so it makes  a little bit more sense to me now so thank you   i will come back with i will  come back with goal statements   if necessary because right now the way this  is flowing these are your goal statements   for each of those areas so that that's  why i think there was a conversation of   strategic plan does this drive our annual it it  should align is this the board's desire to keep   these as the overarching goal statement and then  utilizing objectives to pull this information into   what you want to focus on on an annual  basis at the ben's point the buckets   these all of these could be a bucket   but the idea

112is that every one of these could be a  specific objective under one of these three areas   and then the objectives and actions would be  pulled from this and added to to come up with   the action plans on every one of for the  current year of all the things that you're   going to do and you would have the indicators  of success which would represent the data   that you should be getting to know that you're  achieving what everybody was planning to do yes   thank you jesse i don't want to speak on behalf  of anyone but myself but it sounds like we're   we could be aligned on the goal statement and  based on what i'm hearing from various board   members where i think we still need some work is  it sounds like some of the items some of

113the board   members want to strike and then there are some  items that you've white boarded that need to be   added into the various buckets that's that's going  to take some time that i don't know that we would   maybe get done tonight so then from a next  steps perspective is that like we now digest the   information and then send like the recommendations  back to administration on i really like this this   is something we'd like to take off of the plate  of administration because it's something that   you know maybe perhaps we'd rather see the focus  on abc that we kind of discussed at the meeting   and then because that's where i think we need to  get alignment as a board is on these actionable   steps but i do get the sense that everybody is  aligned on those

114uh those are the goal statements   it's just kind of these actionable steps yeah i  did that's that number one we gotta get to the   point that what is what are your goal statements  and if if everybody's comfortable with these three   as the overarching goal statements then we're  beyond the goal statements you're exactly right   we are now looking at all these different elements  that folks have brought up as to wait can we be   clear though because i i don't think it is and  i think we do need to fall right so if you're   saying that then and we use this as the guide  right the three overarching goal statements is a   sheet of each right on this at least one right and  then some of those items that we've whiteboarded   objective flow onto here objective if

115you see  on that chart it says district goal yes right   underneath it says objective and those become  your objectives these are the different items   that you have been throwing out that you  guys will decide if that's where you're going   some of the focus there some of the objectives  that you want to focus on and where do which   which of the three does it fit under so you  could have one sheet with the goal statement   with a facility's infrastructure objective  another sheet with the same goal statement and   a non-college-bound student objective you could  yeah so you would have a sheet with an objective   if there are specific focus areas that you want  the administration to be working on okay to   ruth's question point these are ideas that  you've thrown out there for consideration   my recommendation would

116be to send this back  to send the list back to the superintendent   to look at it against those  three goal statements to say   what would he be recommending from a objectives  to focus on and bring that back to you once you   agree because that you don't want him spinning  his wheels putting action plans on objectives   if you're not aligned on it so once  you have alignment on the objectives   and you're in agreement you're already in  agreement with the goal faith and i think   once you've identified off of your list  what are those focus areas you want to   for this year you want on the on  the list to be looking to be worked   can i can i ask you one second what those  objectives then and you you get agreement he can   now build the

117action plans and come back to you  with the whole enchilada that you guys can discuss   tweak modify and ultimately take to that september  board meeting yes ma'am i'm just i don't remember   when we decided that the strategic goals  were our district goals right now okay   so i'm kind of in a space where we haven't we  need to decide that's what i asked earlier we   kept going with the conversation so we need to  stop and start and have that conversation so   the strategic goals how i see it is like these are  my vision for a three year plan like in my vision   like this is what's happening right like this  is what i want to see happen in the district   every year i have to come up with goals to  get there and ever and then

118at the end of   that year i measure how far we've gotten towards  that vision so they don't necessarily have to   be the three vision statements that are in the  strategic goals but they have to align with them   does that mean that's how i'm so that's  how i see it that does make sense you can   use the strategic plan those three overarching  as your your north star that's how i see it   personally and then you can say okay this  year we're interested in doing something   as it relates to special needs and you write  a goal a district goal for the year align to   one of those three items off your strategic  plan as the goal statement and then   from there you start to develop the impetus the  staff the superintendent developed objectives   and actions around that

119whatever that goal  statement is as it relates to i'm using special   needs as as an example that is another way to  do it i what i was saying what i'm seeing and   what i see here this is directly tied to those  three goal statements and if that's the desire   what i'm saying is you don't have to  create a goal statement but if it's   you want to keep the strategic plan as the north  star and you say okay we are going to identify   three or four buckets that we're going to focus  on this year you'll build in fact i would build   a goal statement for that focus area and then you  would have that as your base to work with you'd   worksmith it play with it when you finally are in  agreement then superintendent now takes

120it he now   puts objectives to that and actions so there's  a couple ways to do it to your point step one   we need to identify are we using the strategic  plan those three items as the goals or are you   looking to keep it as a north star and create  unique well i won't say unique but goals   tied to the strategic plan areas for the  year that we're working in so that's that's   something the board has to decide on so that we  know which way to go so let's do it like this   let's do a show of hands who wants  to remain with it as the north star   versus it becomes the goals right so if it's  a north star then we're going to build out   the goals and we voip boarded some of it is

121is  here it's just as the high level versus this   is already objectives and action plans minus  some of the time bound if we stay with the   north star it all still has to meet that vision  and you should be able to articulate back to it   the other is those are your goal statements  but then my my fear would be you're going to   lose sight of some of this under that you're not  going to hit some of it so for me i i like the   idea of keeping it as a north star because that's  what i always understood it was supposed to be   the guiding principles the other is we use it as  the goal statements so and then in that second   example using it as the goal statements your  objectives become these things that you

122want   to focus on each year within the appropriate  bucket so it's one way or the other so it's   still gonna have you know these these some of  these could end up being that goal statement   and then objectives built around those and  actions or the other way would be the the three   and then one of these several of these  would become the individual objectives   so there's two ways to skim the cat it's just a  matter of which one yeah and i think um both ways   could work we just have to be intentional on  how we um explain and break out the objectives   and the activities and the measurements at the  end so we all have to so either way makes sense   i just needed to understand where we're at right  now so then who wants to

123have them as a north star okay and who wants to have them as i can't see  everybody i'm too short so you have miriam okay   okay okay okay the guiding principles they're  they're the strategic vision right so then we're split so that doesn't help just to clarify i guess if if we  have it as the north star and not   as the the the district goal as  well like i guess the only thing in the way i'm kind of envisioning is that  we would have to know the action steps   like we would we would have to then table what the  goal is understand what those action steps are to   almost write the goal i just feel like we're  doing it backwards because we we would have to   collaboratively right now determine what are  what are we

124what is our goal on student wellness   we would have to know that tonight and i don't  feel that we would be aligned as a goal tonight   to be able to say this is what our our goal is  because we're i just don't feel that we're aligned   enough to say this is what our goal is in student  wellness or or this is as a board this is what we   want to focus on in student wellness this is what  we want to focus on in purpose and passion and   this is what we want to focus on in connecting  beyond the classroom like i don't know that we   are aligned tonight on a board to be able to  agree to then write the goal statement that's my   to rosie's point objectively you can get to the  end line

125but i don't know that we are aligned   as a board at all right now for what those  objectives are in each one of those buckets   to agree to what those call statements would be  which is why i'm hesitant to say to go that way at   least using the statements that we already have to  me it's broad enough and then we accomplish what   we are trying to do by saying we can we can get  that narrow focus with the objectives as a board   later his objectives right that's that's how  i'm just looking at it because i just there i don't think it's a surprise to anybody  that it takes us some time as a board   to marinate on information and then come to an  agreement so that's that's my that's where i'm   looking at this through

126the lens of that i'm kind  of there too like it because you can really get to   it both ways and i've seen it happen both ways  i just want to be clear on how when we decide   or have those both options like we know what  we're all agreeing to intentionally yeah very   intentional focused measured outcome based carol  i think you also had a comment you wanted to make   yeah thanks laurie um when i think about it and  what rosie um you know was talking about it can be   done in my mind both ways and we get there and we  get the same you know the same results in the end i like to do things more simply and what  we've been doing over the past year and a half   since we implemented the strategic goals

127is that  our administrators and i'm talking about the   building administrators leading their schools have  been using these these strategic goals to guide   what they do and we've been using them as well  we've been using them in our committee meetings   you know each of our gen items in the committee  looks at each one of these strategic goals where   does it fit in it's a part of it so um we can do  it the way rosie has suggested in my mind that   adds another step another layer to what we're  doing but using laurie's words it's still the   north star it's still our north star whether we  have just the strategic goals and then we have   other goals underneath of them for this year or if  we have the strategic goals and they are our goals   and then

128we have the objectives of what we're  going to do this year we're still setting out   what we're doing we're using we're using in my  mind we're using different terms for the same   thing and in one scenario we have an extras an  extra layer if you will and i think both will work my preference is always to do things as simply as  we can for for brevity and for understanding in   the in in the community we we are a large district  with a lot of employees a lot of families and a   lot of people who are involved in our district  so i think in my mind not adding another layer   would would be helpful to have everybody  understand what we're doing and get on board with   it just my thought process and i know others you 

129know think differently feel a little differently   and i get that too i think we can do it either  way that would just be my personal preference okay   miriam so i definitely agree with the idea  of keeping it as simple as possible which   might surprise people because i know it's not  always my process but i agree i think for me the   idea of why i voted to go with like goal setting  is i just think the strategic vision is so big and   i think one of the things that we have voiced  and we're many i think we're mostly aligned on   is an entire board and i don't want to speak for  the entire world right that's you know what i've   heard throughout is we want to make more progress  it's a frustration for us as a

130board that we we   we want to be able to make more progress  and so to me having a defined goal   is kind of a is chunking it down and then chunking  it further i i think you can do that and and i   don't see that as complicating it i see that  is kind of giving us a more you know chunking   to me where i think we need to look  at alignment is what are we trying   are we in this are we to use ben's term  are we are we all agreeing on the buckets   because the buckets are not they're not under the  vision right they're a little bit well i don't   i don't i see them as as smaller than the  vision that's where my thought process is   so jesse could you help us then

131use if we use  the the vision the those three goals right   as the vision you know those three vision  statements as the goals and then some of the   items that we've white boarded so to speak as the  objective so that we could see that because that's   i'll be i'll be honest that's my fear and that  we fall back to those although everything we   speak to aligns to it that we lose sight of some  of this because when we started that process we   didn't i don't wasn't clear to me that we were  marrying them year over year as our goals it   was guiding principles and that made sense to me  at the time so i'm okay doing that i want to see   what it looks like so that we don't lose sight of  those items and

132that they kind of just disappear   in a lot of articulation i think this document  though is going to be helpful for making sure that   we don't do that hugely hopefully i like this and  if we stick to this formatting and this process   there's no way unless we fail to do our role  to lose sight of this right so the expectation   now is to hold ourselves accountable to hold  to be able to stick to this measurement plan   and if we do it that way either way can work we  just have to make sure that these buckets and   i agree with the ones ben pointed out as well um  are outlined and and there's act action steps and   some of the action steps actually fit in some  of those buckets that are outlined here right   i just

133needed to be clear because all i do on a  day-to-day strategic planning and we're writing   all over the place so i needed to kind of regroup  what we were talking about this in and of itself   is going to help that process so what's the  next step then jesse who takes that next step   right what i what i've listened to and i  understand we're going to take the three strategic plan goals for lack of a better  term they are going to be overarching as your   as your goals each year and we're going to  take your objectives for each of those will   be from these different areas of focus that folks  have brought up as potential you know potential   focus areas for the current year so what i can do  i'll take that document and i'll take

134this list   and i'll determine where i think they  fall and i'll create an objective   for each one of these you may use some of them  none of them you may come up with yellow but i'll   i'll at least take an attempt making an attempt to  create an objective around these different areas   four and put it underneath the appropriate goal  area that i believe it falls and i'll return   all of those whatever number of sheets that  comes out to be i'll return that to you and   the superintendent and you can share that with the  board and you at least have a starting point okay   yeah that's great so can i just so my hands  went up so i'm sorry just just so what i   think i heard before though was so if we have  the goal

135purpose and the purpose and passion   would be one of the goals develop highly engaged  learning learner-centered experience within an   environment that promotes voice choice and passion  for learning so there's the goal and then we can   have an objective so the objective from that  board could be you could have multiple right   so one of the objectives could be to provide  opportunities for all students to engage in   activities experiences that will put them  on the path for future success in business   uh higher education whatever right including  the non-politicians right exactly military sir   but then we could have another objective so if  we still have the goal and another objective   from that bucket and that would look the same  for connecting beyond our classroom and for   student wellness we always tell  folks we tell superintendents   when you're when

136you're developing you're taking  your goal and establishing objectives we we   recommend you know fours are probably a good set  of objectives in your case it will be four areas   under each one of those that you would want the  district to to look at superintendent would then   take those and create action plans around  all those you would all have a conversation   and discuss some of those may stay some of that  stuff may go you may pare it down but in the end   you will have agreed to you have your overarching  goal you have the specific areas of focus through   your objectives that you're looking at and action  plans that have been developed and you're all on   the same page with what you're approving and  that's what you run to for that for the year   that's in

137front of you and then  real quick and then and then   so when the objectives are done the work that dr  malasha and the team have done on this document   in in some of the cases would fall into what's  already here for major activities so it's kind of   true the work they've already done right and  they might have to edit and just continue   based on the conversations there's going to be  additional stuff that he's going to put together   in those in the action plans but yes there's a  lot of action steps here that he's going to use   to fit the area that under each  of these three that it focuses on yes let me just clarify so the the board the board  adopts goals right the the board and paul the   board doesn't take the board's

138not developing  action plans and then adopting action plans   you're developing the action plans right just  yeah just want to make sure that there's we've   gone lots of bucket discussion and go right now  we don't want to do that there's clarity yeah   the goal goal basically because you've all  stated you're going to use those three goals   that's they're established what you're saying  what you're asking for are the objectives   each year to reflect the buckets or things that  you want so that was my concern is that within   our role or now is that no longer us because  we decided on the other three goals we're done in theory because that's where i'm concerned and  losing theory i would say yes but because you are   using those strategic plan goals these objectives  are actually your your what that

139you want the   district to focus on and as i said there's a lot  of them here i'm going to build objectives okay   one two three four five six seven eight nine  ten eleven twelve i'm gonna have 12 objectives   you may all say after you get through just  after your superintendent takes a look at them   you may say we're not going to have 12 we're  going to have right whatever and then once you   you settle on those objectives the what you  want the district to focus on the superintendent   will take those objectives they're under the  overarching goal he will create action plans and   bring those back to you and what my recommendation  is that is the action plans are part of the goal so my recommendation is you're approving the  whole package this is what we're

140focusing on   and approving for each in each of these three  areas for the year once your superintendent has   given you everything and you're in  agreement with what actions he's planning   to take and that's what you then  measure yourselves against okay ken sorry dr milot so does that fit for when we're  kind of defining you know kind of where the what   you're the you're the how you know the objectives  is that fit with your um your view does it align   with your view because if not i think we have  to know that yeah i i mean the objectives in the   action plan there there absolutely is a role in  a discussion we're going to have with the board   you know there's a team of experts and  professionals with whom i'm working   at the superintendent's council level 

141building principals administrators counselors   you know that kind of stuff those are people that  i will rely on as we develop those action plans   i don't know that i see it the same way  as the and and if you know and we can   certainly talk about what does it look like my  my other concern with doing it is school opens   five and a half weeks from now right and time  frame wise you know this will not be discussed at   the board meeting on tuesday night we have a board  meeting on the 24th and the first board meeting   in september is the 14th you know we didn't adopt  board goals until the 27th of october last year   that's late because again i've got 19 schools 11  000 kids all these people that are they've started   and then

142in the beginning of november for me to  turn around and say i need you to be doing this   you know it's it becomes a challenge i don't  have any problem with doing the action plans   we've done smart goals for years it's what we do  with all the building administrators it's how we   structure you know in terms of what goes on and  i think there's got to be discussion with the   board about this is what the action plan is i  will tell you after you know identification or   agreement from the board and i think there's a  lot that goes back and forth um i do think that   some of it is a semantic discussion about whether  it's a north star or whether there's under goals   that you know because it that go through um and  and

143i'm good either way it just need that we need   to have them defined you know and if there are  objectives that the board wants us to work on we   need to know what they offer you know what i mean  like there's got to be clarity in that we can't   build an effective action plan without knowing  it it's like somebody's saying you know draw me   a picture of a pretty dog well unless i know what  you find attractive in an animal i can't draw a   picture of a pretty dog that everybody's going to  agree on you know and i can keep doing it and keep   saying nope that's not what i want that's not what  i want like am i getting closer or you know i'm   not sure what the what the criteria are so the 

144biggest thing that we need administratively are   what are those objectives that you want us to hit  you know i don't know that the you know and again   the draft and the statements that are in here  there are absolutely a lot of objectives because   of the structure of how we looked at them as goals  there's not time in there there's not outcomes   there's you know not that kind of stuff fleshing  that part out you know certainly can be done   and identifying with this list and putting those  together absolutely can be done i think the other   hard part with goals is there is a lot that goes  on in the school district everything that goes on   cannot be listed within the goals right because  if everything is is that which is is front facing   and center and

145this is what our primary focus  and attention is on you know that it just all   gets lost in in terms of what's there um you  know there there are big expectations for the   work that is currently going on you know the at  the five committee meetings over the last two   nights we talked about a lot of activities and a  lot of goals literally goals that that we want to   accomplish during the course of this year those  absolutely need to be embedded in what we are   doing you know those action steps for you know  and and we've you guys have talked about them   you know the the organization of the school  district and you know that kind of stuff those   have to be a part of what's here and should  be those are significant steps and

146and what   in what's there the action plan will certainly  look different you know than it is but no i mean   i i don't see that as much as all of that being  put together in a packet and the board adopting   i mean can we put the actions we can put the  goals and the action steps all that can go up   on the website but i think there's a time frame  piece that we need to look at in terms of what's   there there's been good feedback tonight this is  the first real feedback we've gotten you know on   on goals and planning for this academic year  you know which i think is is critical as well that was going to be my question dr milaj is do  you have enough feedback from tonight to to make   any

147adjustments or tweaks to things or do you  feel like you still need more from us because   that's that's where i don't want us to be  a board that's not giving you what you need   and just saying oh this is not right go  do it again yeah and i appreciate that   miss elmore start and i think that that's where  you know mr adams has written this stuff down   and we take that feedback i think that's where  it's so critically important that the board   members and you all for the most part have been  expressive tonight to get that up on that paper   you know because then the other piece is jesse's  going to turn mr adam's going to turn around   he's going to work on this he's going to send  it back to us we're going to

148put this into a   format and it's going to go out to the to the  full board the challenge will become the next   time we have this discussion probably on the 24th  or you know the 14th of september whenever it is   um you know to say well i think we should add  this or i think we should do this we can add   to it all the time but i think right now it needs  like we need there needs to be a cut you know in   terms of what we're planning what we're going to  do so i would say if you have stuff to add make   sure you let mr items know yeah and and i will  tell you you can't boil the ocean all right you   got to do it one pot at a time and

149this is putting  together the pots that you're going to try to boil   i'm sorry hands keep going so i was going  to kind of ask the same questions that um   stratton had asked to kind of along  that same line about feedback but mine's   just a little bit different um dr milosh we have  everything on the board of like the asks from   the board as far as like what we want added but  there was also a lot of comments that um jesse   didn't capture in regards to like what  wasn't important and so that that you know   we wanted to remove because i i mean just going  over these drafts i mean there's already uh five   six ninety nine we're i think we're working with  12 objections right now and then there's another   12 like we can't

150have a plan with 24 objections  so i just wanted to make sure you had captured   the information of like what the board had said  was not important so that we could remove it   because going back to what we've gone over uh it  has to be achievable in a time frame of a year it   it does you know and honestly in a time frame as  as we talked as as the board and i talked in the   spring um a time frame that's achievable by april  yeah um you know really in terms of what we looked   at well we could have longer term but you could  have lost we could actually have multiple years   yeah we just have to show that clear the timelines  that your superintendent will set will determine   when in this year or out

151here right we could  but they're just there were just some things   that board members were like that's that's this  shouldn't be a goal we just expected that's just   part of what we thought should just be day to day  so i just want to make sure you had captured that   because it's it just it hasn't been captured on on  the whiteboard yeah i think i captured some again   the the more deep there the more the people can  provide feedback even if it's to take the document   you know and and send it back okay you know and  and send it back and say here's what i think   should be highlighted or you know is jesse's word  mr adams is working on this and these things that   you know make sure that these make it through and  these

152i don't think need to be listed that's ideal   as well because then we can put it together in a  chart and you know and not by name but you know   here we received this back from nine board members  and you know board member a said highlight these   remove these board member b so that it's it's  clear so everybody can take a look and and see   this is what the feedback is that's been perfect  so maybe that's like a good idea now that we've   had all the feedback and the the great training  um we can take this document mark it up and then   send it to you with just comments and additional  thoughts yeah because he is looking for feedback   on it yeah before we mark that up though we want  to get to this so

153no we're just going to redline is important in in this so joe give us a deadline  when yeah yeah and when would you like that back   about yeah any i would say the sooner the better  i mean justin what's your time frame looking at   well i'm going to try within the next couple  days to get you the draft of what i have so that   you're ready to work so today's wednesday  can everybody do it by saturday yeah okay what what do you prefer joe would  you prefer or would you prefer to see   so i mean ideally mrs cohen will be collating it  all putting it all together i mean i have i have   staff i mean there's staff support to be  able to do that if lori or kim want to   put it all together

154and do that they  certainly are welcome to do that um can we make it sunday yeah honestly you can make  it monday okay nothing's going to happen if you   said this i'm being honest yeah nothing's going  to happen but and honestly with the board meeting   we have a board meeting on tuesday evening we've  got presentations there's a number of things that   are going on so ostensibly really nothing until  wednesday morning we'll probably be done with it   you know it'll be more end of next week working  so can janet collate that then because otherwise   yeah because i can schedule the audience member  know that i'm out of pocket for another week   yeah yeah no absolutely like i said i mean we  have staff that that's there to take advantage   of doing that so i i just

155want to make sure i  didn't i don't think i heard the answer dude   do you want each person to send their individual  comments to your office yes and then they'll go   from there right so and for the board members just  follow the same practice you do anything you send   to me copy me janet laurie um certainly  copykin you know but but lori for sure   make that the the board president is copying  yes just to go back to the whiteboard um   and just to clarify so one of the struggles i'm  i've had and i i don't know this is a little bit   a little bit in the in the granular here but the  math achievement again we're in a weird time and i   know it's not up to us to decide how we're going  to measure

156it but i think we all need to know   that there's a data expectation we're getting  to a and b it's it didn't previously has been   a board goal for years to close the achievement  gap with math and it hasn't happened and i don't   i don't know what i can do it's again my first  time doing this like i don't know what i would   i could add in terms of just helping to  distill it down a little bit more clearly   that you know you know what's realistic to expect  so i just need a little guidance on that what   can i typically take take place is when it  comes to the achievement gap math scores ela etc   that's going to be a board desire to improve  in those areas that's the person who's going   to tell you

157and make a recommendation to  you that in this area here's my recommended improvement for this year and these are the  actions that we're going to take to try and   achieve that he will make a recommendation to you  you don't you should not be pulling a number out   of the air it's like we want 20 improvement he's  going to say based on data based on information   based on discussions with his staff he'll say  okay the lord is looking for an improvement in   this area what's realistic what can we do and  then he'll come back with his recommendation   and then you'll have the metric that you need  to measure and it's yeah and so then once that's   done that that you've got a baseline that you're  working from so as you get through this year he'll   report

158on the results and then the board may say  we want to continue he'll come back with a new   recommendation on what's the next increment that  we think we can improve on but yeah you you're   not going to be able to figure out what a reason  you're going to rely on here's what we're looking   for overall he'll come back with specifics on  what he thinks he can try to do with this district   and then just we have a plan for us all giving  feedback on this and and we're also going to   work on the yeah i don't have it i'm sorry too  many papers um we're all going to then also   in i guess time i'm trying to figure out as  well like i'm i'm going to provide okay a   goal statement and objective sheet okay 

159for i'm going to take all these and and   in looking at some of these i think there's a  dozen here it may be less than a dozen because   some of these fit with each other and but i'll  work that but ultimately i will give you a a draft   to work from to the superintendent and and the  board president who will provide that all to you   and this but basically your piece will be this  upper portion getting to that agreement of the   objectives that because that's what he needs  to know this is what you want him to focus on   and then once you guys get you'll have that  discussion get to agreement and like i said   it may be 10 it may go to eight but once you get  to the magic number of objectives under

160each one   of your three goal areas he will then do the hard  work of putting the action plans together and then   ultimately come back to you with the full package  here it is here's what we're going to do this year   so to dr molash's point out of respect for not  waiting till october like so i guess i suggested   do you have a suggested timeline in terms of you  get that to us we work on it here i'm gonna get   this back to you by this weekend because i need  to get that in your hands at that point you guys   need to decide what what your timeline is if your  goal is to be able to approve a goal objectives   and action plan complete by your september meeting  you have to you have to figure out

161as a board how   are you going to get there dale i i can't tell you  how your schedules work and what you can do but to   you you may need a special meaning just to focus  on it but that's something you have to decide   as a group once you get the work in  the time frames with the information   being shared right mr adam gets to us you guys  provide the feedback um we can put stuff together   there certainly can be additional discussion  we have the september cycle of committee   meetings are on monday august 30th and tuesday  august 31st so ideally we will have a draft   for monday august 30th and tuesday august 31st to  discuss at committee meetings there are then two   weeks before we have the work session because  of labor day holiday and

162then rosh hashanah   so the the september work session  is on the 14th of september   ideally in the special action section of the  september 14th board meeting which at that point   will be the fourth day of the academic year would  be an ideal time to have the board goals adopted   but that means that people need to be with on  their time frames people need to be able to   provide that feedback because if not then we have  to move forward and and without providing it then   there's a certain level of acquiescence or consent  to say all right you know i'm good with where you   are going but then to provide the discussion and  in the in the committees to have the discussion   so that a final draft can be submitted and sent  out to people uh for

163any further review and then   discuss it you know for adoption on the sept  on the 14th of september we should be able to   fit it within that time frame uh i believe that  that's doable you know in terms of where we are um i think you know the superintendent said  it's it's basically it can happen but   it's all it's a team effort it's aggressive  but achievable so yeah we'll just have to   stay on top of it and give the feedback well  this was really helpful jesse because we have   not done this activity in this fashion  before as you all have been talking and   thinking is there anything else you want me to  throw up on the list before i karine has one   my tongue um and in reference to the um just  making me think

164about the the hiring and um the   equity equity surrounding that and we have some  things in here speaking to diversity in terms of   how we promote but if we could maybe do  something that speaks to how we recruit or obtain   um or even train um i know we  have maybe like training a future   future in district or encouraging or if we're  doing any type of mentoring programs you know   that can be utilized as a retention opportunity  something like that that increases our diversity   or like our speaking to our connection with rowan  university how is that helping up us or something   i don't know i don't want to get in the weeds  but i just would love to see something there   on that i've got the overarching  thought there i'll build an objective   okay and then

165my other thing was um in terms  of again what cultural proficiency and equity   i love the anti-bias training with the all  district staff um i think that's going to   be awesome but can we make sure that that is  that it's very clear and inclusive that that's   including teaching and non-teaching stuff i know  that's like super specific but like what what does   that mean for district that is are we talking  about our officers or whatnot and all of that   as well just making sure it's all encompassing  and then i'm not sure how to capture that thought   it means everybody everybody okay it's just just  making sure so um that was it and then i'll put my   other feedback on here but i did want to say to  the administrator thank you for working on this   very

166you know we understand you got like 999 other  things right now so we appreciate the detail so   carol uh real quick and i i apologize i'm  rather near-sighted even with my glasses   so i'm having a hard time reading the chart and  i don't remember if we put down infrastructure   and the bond referendum  that's that's on there as well facilities infrastructure okay did you get the  ada in there because it comes up and we talk   about it a lot and i think we should capture  it the ada compliance so under infrastructure facilities yeah thanks were there any last  comments i know we're way over i have one rosie   and then miriam um expansion i don't know if you  can't if this is if we can put this on there but   expansion of like after care and

167before care like  sac is that something that we talk about no no i'm not sure no a goal to expand before karen aftercare   would that be an objective and  well i don't know i'm asking it could certainly be included  in the discussion as an objective   i think are we specifically talking about  before school after school care for students yes i'm thinking that maybe an item under staff and  student wellness kind of activities right as an   action of expanding a program etc but it could  be its own objective too so you know do you want   me to put it up there and then you guys deal  with it you can put it on yeah i mean we can   take a look and see if it if it fits or what it  what it does oh um

168sweatington has dory i just no not problems i'm wondering if this is it it's a topic that  maybe we can explore at one of the committee   meetings you know what's happening now what  do we do what do we serve and then that could   address your questions um you know do we need to  do more um you know and what would that look like   um maybe that's that's a way to go i'll create an  objective and then like i said as you as you work   through the process it may fall into an action  it may go to a committee like i said just because   it's here may not necessarily end up being  you all will decide what the final product   actually looks like okay just something that  came up at our committee meeting that rosie   you

169were really touching on and i was also that  made was in support of just the discussion of   approaching our curriculum and modern modernizing  pieces of our curriculum in in terms of how we   teach it how we approach it and i i've heard  the term and i don't know if this is the right   term and this may be getting into the how so i  don't know but just the term that i've heard is   universal design learning i guess that's what a  universal design and i don't know if that is what   i mean or where we were talking about really kind  of revamping our curriculum and the way and it's   happening already but i that was a question that's  like are we applying this to other disciplines um   and then also assessing that you know making sure 

170we're measuring that that's effective so that's   i don't know i just feel like that was i feel  like that was when we were talking about in   the committee i was like this is kind of a goal  rather than you know so that that to me falls   under the umbrella of staff development  and so from a staff development objective   your superintendent would recommend there are  certain training skills techniques etc that's   that's a common one but it typically falls under  that staff development objective kind of thing   and that's where your superintendent with his team  can determine those kind of things that bring in   state-of-the-art teaching techniques etc  yep so i listed it as staff development   so i'll build an objective around  that and you all can talk about it   okay did we capture it all because i

171know we  wanted to stick to 8 30 but we've gone over okay i think we've captured it  all did anybody have anything else okay on that discussion thank you jesse   for your help this is the first time we've done  it in this way and i think this was really good   giving us the process so i i thank you i  thank the administration for coming out on   an additional night it's been a long week for  everybody so thank you with that i'd like to   make a motion to adjourn do i have a second miss  stratton all in favor aye thanks have a good night

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