001Yeah, I got one. I got one in four buildings. It's fascinating. Just keep having kids. That's what happens. Um, okay. Thank you. Any other question, comments? Looks like we need a motion to approve the consent agenda. >> Thank you. Thank you. Questions, comments? >> Um, two things I'd like a little more discussion on the IGA police department on the SR and this approved the HA fun carryover that's I don't know if it is just >> yeah I can handle that one Matt that's it's what was approved for the HA remodel but because work's being done in July and August it wasn't completed by June we just have to approve the expenditure into the next fiscal year so you're not approving new money it's the same money. It's just it wasn't spent in last fiscal year
002and we have to spend in July or August basically. It's not going to actually be that much, but that's how much is left on the budget. >> Okay. Yeah. >> Y >> So, are you saying you'd like to move the IG into an action item, please? And then I just want to clarify that the dress code that we're going with the dress code that we approved a couple of years ago with those few CASBY changes, not the one that was in the packet. >> And this was a first reading. So acknowledging we're >> okay looking for changes, but it's not >> but on that dress code. So there was changes from the law side around um graduation regalia and so that was really the only changes. I did send it back out today making sure
003it was the right version that you guys had. I think there might have been confusion. So, no changes to the dress code policy that you adopted a few years ago except for new language around graduation regalia. Um, that's the only change to that policy because of CASBY's recommendation due to law changes. >> David, I just have one comment for um 3EI, which is acknowledge um to repeal the graduation requirements. Um, we started a little over five years ago working on that and it had to go up through each of the graduating classes and I'm really excited about the uh senior seminar that's starting right now and then also the pathways that were created at the high school. It's a long time coming and that aircraft carrier's turn and I'm fired up. >> I do think
004that's worth mentioning. Um, just something to be excited about. you have actually some of the most rigorous graduation requirements in the state of Colorado, far more than some of your more um districts in Colorado that might get a lot more press. You actually require more particularly in the areas of finance. You require personal finance which many districts are just doing but now you require economics and then comprehensive health and senior seminar which is really around civil dialogue and that is fully um in everybody's course load now. So, it's something to be proud of and you've also at the same time increased flexibility so kids can do more work-based learning and really delve into their career exploration. So, to be able to do both and is impressive and I think you have something to be proud
005of. >> Took a while to turn that aircraft carrier off, but we did it. We did it. All right. I need some Robert TR's help. Probably >> an amended motion >> which would have been Yep. Uh yes >> to move the IG with the PDA for the SRO to an action item. >> J. Yes. >> A second on that amendment. >> Okay. With those changes and the removal of J. Um any other questions, comments? Okay. Ready for a vote. >> All right. Dr. Becker Pettit. Hi. >> Dr. Hill. >> Hi. >> Mr. Hobs. >> Hi. >> Mrs. Lmberg. >> Hi. >> Mrs. Pasel. >> Hi. Miss Shmmet and Mr. Smith. >> All right. Your folks be able to leave. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Usually the time when we disperse you all, so stay if you
006want, but if not, have a good night. Thank you for a great start to the year. >> Sorry, Savannah. You get to stay. >> You're at the table. You're stuck. Do I need to put stuff on the screen? >> Do I need to put anything up on the screen? >> I want you to make >> Let's just try it. >> You want me to right now? >> I don't think you Why don't you resend? They're >> being ready. >> Keep passing the treats. >> You don't need to set it. >> All right. We have one discussion tonight. Um this is uh discussion around electric bus. We've been talking and looking at it for four years knowing that at some point the numbers might work. the numbers weren't uh a good fit prior to this. And
007I do before we get started want to talk about electric buses and where we live and make sure people have a good understanding of where it's a good fit and where it is not. And I can let Evelyn add to that and then we'll talk about this specific deal. Um the reason we're looking at right now is we think the numbers may work. It's at the end of grant cycles. Um, I think we can leverage the most amount of dollars that would allow us to get both the um, electrical infrastructure in at our site as well as to get an electric bus. The electric bus is a bad fit for most of our routes. Just be really clear about that. We are not a district that is going to find success with an entire electric
008bus bus fleet. We cannot do trip buses. Like if you're going to take a an athletic trip, the football team or the golf team or whatever it is, and they're going to go to Denver to play a match, that bus is not going to come home in time. It does not have that kind of range. So, at no time will an electric bus going to be in a solution where we can take long trips. In addition, if we are going up high hard mountain passes, it is not going to be a good fit. However, if you are driving down to Howard on a route trip, mostly flat, right? And it's about what is that 24 miles I think to >> miles. It's about 30 miles round trip, >> right? So, if you take the morning
009trip and then come back and plug it back in and then take the afternoon trip, then it is a good fit. That's a pretty limited usage um bus for us. it's not one of those that we can kind of flip in and out between um as the years go. So, it's another reason we've been very reticent to do large investments in that. So, I just want to make sure people are aware that um the diesel bus solution is still the solution that we need to be investing in, preparing for in almost all instances, but we think that having a route bus here and the way the numbers could work, it could be a benefit. Do you want to add to that at all, Evelyn? So, the only thing I want to add to that is
010that if it's right, it would be only a route bus. Right now, that that's about all it would be able to handle is a route. Um, I did look into this and I know Kenan is here from Highland, but when we had the conversation, I can put Tim Mickey on the phone if you need to. Um, he's in Wyoming. >> Tim Mick, he's in charge of McCandless. >> He is our he is our bus guy. He is the one I go to when I need to order buses. Tim Mick is >> he builds buses. He builds buses and he listens to me when I build them specifically. So, uh the route so it would work also for a short trip. So, football teams, baseball teams, track stuff sometimes. Okay. They leave at 2:00, turn around,
011come back, do their route. So, in that aspect, we could do that. But after his route, he would have to come plug it in and then go back to BB in the diesel bus to pick them up. It would help in a sense because we had three buses go down in three weeks ago. So I am down and there are older buses. There are 1998s. They are they're hard to replace and hard to fix. Right now seven is just not fixable right now. just it will cost me too much money to put money into it to get it to run maybe again. I'm just I'm not at that point to do that. I got borrow parts from that to fix six. So, I have six running. Bus 11 needs a whole new clutch plate, all
012that stuff. I'm not in the mood to fix that one. It's a 98. Under CDE standards and protocol and rules and regulations, they'll let me run a bus 20 years plus as long as it holds up to a CD inspection. Right now, those two buses will not hold up to a CD inspection. So, they're sitting there. I'm not putting money. So, having this bus is an option. So, I have a route bus. Then, I can take the bus that's up that route and put it on the route bus that I need to have it on six. Okay. So, we can do that if we need to. Um, but yeah, Kenan has all the information. He can tell you everything. It is a good deal because there's no money coming out of the district. When I
013looked at this system a full two, three years ago, it was that we had to come up with the money to put the infrastructure in and then we could do the rebate, but we may not have gotten all of the rebate. Okay. So now >> now it's it's a little more solid. XL tried to back out or meal the deal, but between Kenan Connor and Tim Mickey getting on XL and now we can go forward hopefully. Correct. >> Yep. >> Okay. So, now I'm going to place it over to Kenan. He's going to explain the whole >> Kenan. Before we get into the deal, do we want to pause and make sure they understand the difference between electric and diesel? >> Electric and >> because I don't think your presentation's getting into that piece. >>
014No. >> Electric. The difference between electric and diesel is electric is very quiet. There are what? Two batteries underneath. There is no emissions. >> So, it's not a hybrid. It's all electric. >> It's all electric. The only thing that would be in there that would be diesel for our altitude and for our weather is that I would still put a Wasto heater on it. Abasto heater is a system that mixes with diesel. So it's like a quarter cup of diesel. It goes into a burner unit. This burner unit fires up. That burner unit has a pump and it pushes. So instead of just plugging in your car and heating the oil pan, the Bosto heats up all the fluids. So the bus you don't have idling time, okay, to warm up the bus. You 10
015minutes, you got warm air, you're driving, okay, beforehand, I used to have to come in an hour, a head start on the buses. Now it's a half hour, 15 minutes pre-trip and they're out. Okay, >> it's cold. >> What other questions do you have? >> I just want to pause, make sure people understand the fit of electric versus diesel. Do you have other questions? Well, that I just was wondering if because hybrid >> It's all electric. There's two big batteries underneath that run it. They have their own heating and cooling system. When you see all the horror movies, there are horror stories on the movies that blow up and burn up. I think they finally fixed that. This is the second generation coming forward because I've been watching them. So, yeah, they come forward. They
016don't blow up and catch on fire as much. Mechanist is one I trust. I trust him. I trust these guys. So, if we were going to do this, this would be the company I would do it through. And diesel. Diesel is it'll fire up and go anytime I need to. I I I don't have any issues with diesel. I run red diesel in it. So, it has the additive in it. Cold cold mornings, my brakes may freeze up, but after warming up, I can go out there and I can still run the bus and I can run the bus at any given time. The electric bus on the other hand, I got to wait for a charge. >> But it's nice to have a mix. >> Yeah, sometimes. Yeah. >> Why? Why are I missed
017the whole Why are we looking into electric buses? >> Because it's a future. It is the future. It is coming. That's just the bottom line. Electric is coming. And I've been holding off because of some of the problems that electric buses have had. But now they're coming forward. They're getting better. But it is the future. It is a good footprint. I sit back and I look at my grandsons number one. Their future and what we've been doing needs to change. I like propane buses too because that's all natural also. That's less of a footprint. But right now, propane has kind of been put off to the side where electric buses are. >> Can I also the reason we're looking at it right now is because this well we'll talk about this deal could help us
018get the infrastructure in place. So it's not about the bus for us. It's about how can we get a bus and the infrastructure >> versus waiting and then having to pay the >> also nothing the bus and the infrastructure nothing to us. >> Uh let's talk about that one. That'll be a second. >> Okay. >> Can I just um >> diesel versus electric? >> Do we Did you say we do have a mechanic that can work on electric? >> Now we do. You'll have to go to classes and train. >> That's part of this Patrick P package. I would send him to Denver to mechanis and he would be trained. I would also have my drivers ch train trained on it and I would be trained on it so everybody can train on electric bus
019because it is way different to drive than a diesel bus. But I did drive the one four years ago with Tim. >> They're quiet. They're quiet. You don't know you get until you look down. >> I have a bunch of questions but maybe you'll answer them. Yeah, >> sounds good. Okay, sounds good. It is your turn now. >> All right, there's some context. >> Thank you. Yes or no? >> Uh, yes. I think so. Everybody, my name is Kian Burns. I'm regional manager for Highland Electric Fleets. I'll preface this that the Connor who was here for the previous meeting with you and I believe David. Um, he's on a plane. Um, so you can make it and then technical bus questions are best directed at Tim Mickey with Macandless, but I'll try my best or
020get the answers and move them forward to the team. Um, we can go to the first slide and get right into the uh into the opportunity with Excel and why it makes sense right now for districts in Colorado. And that's Excel Energy. The utility is doing a bus program and it's uh specifically about vehicle-to-g grid charging. So, they're really exploring how are they using these buses to help the grid. Um, and what that includes a subsidized bus, subsidized infrastructure, and a subsidized charger. and they're trying to target different types of communities to test this type of um electrification process. As far as front range um urban communities, you know, Jeffco, Aurora, DPS, some of those are targets for them. And then Salida would be a rural community that they're targeting. And so with this um
021they're also exploring vehicle to building um capabilities as well, which is kind of where this project was on the rails, off the rails, and now back on the rails. But we are um exploring just the the opportunity here, how you guys feel about it, and then making sure Excel accepts the funding as well. Um >> can we just pause and make sure does that make sense to you guys? So what they would do >> ask lots of extra questions. So when it says B2B vehicle to building, what they would do, let's imagine it's the middle of the night, they have extra electricity in comparison to peak hours. >> You charge the bus. The bus is now all that energy is stored in batteries. They can then plug the bus back into the grid and download
022that stored battery energy back into the grid. So they are exploring how to stabilize and expand the electrical grid. >> Um and so that is one of the things that this is that's why it's of interest to them to invest in >> the buses generate >> store >> the bus store it. Okay. >> And they create energy as they're driving >> like the old Priuses. >> No, that's No, they have the energy stored on the battery. So when they're sitting plugged in, you can call the the energy from the battery and and it's birectional. So it's going instead of energy to bus, you're going taking the energy from the bus and returning it to the grid or to the building >> if they don't use it all. >> So it's just like the Ford truck
023commercial where your power goes out and you plug into your truck like your house. >> Exactly. >> And which could be of interest to us. I don't know. But you know those sort of situations like our middle school when power goes out that's you know it's a building that's highly impacted by that. Do you drive your bus over and plug it in? I don't know. But these are the kind of concepts we're starting to play with. >> But then how do you get the kids home if you just bring the buses under? >> Well, you have to bring Do they not make hybrid where you can plug in and use? >> Yeah. Vietnam notice. Yeah. >> What is B2? >> That's why this sounds too good to be true because Excel needs to do some
024research. Yes. We are part of their pilot program. They will >> help us with some >> Yes. >> vehicle to grid. The G stands for grid. >> V2B. The B stands for building. >> Yep. And then the um the other example of the V's is V to X and that's vehicle to everything. So it's all the different technologies that they could run on a bus. For example, emergency relief in a hurricane area. You go set up phone chargers for everybody so you continue having access to that. So it's some of those resilience plans that Excel is exploring. >> So sorry before we go, what is your relationship and Highland's relationship to Excel? >> Yeah. So, Highland, we're an electrification partner for public facing entities as far as school districts, universities, municipalities. And when it comes
025to us working with Excel, working with Macandas, we've been able to do VTOG programs for uh three years now and we've been able to do that in the state of Colorado as well. So, Excel is leaning on us as a partner to make sure that these projects run efficiently and and work. So like you're mutually exclusive. Like if you wanted to work with Munav Vista School District, you would work with them and Sanger Cristo and Excel doesn't have a problem with that, >> right? Yeah. Yeah, we can work >> and we'll get deeper into that just when we talk about this particular contract and how it's one singular. It's its own LLC. We'll talk about it more. That's why this is a discussion. Anything else on this you want to talk about? >> Sure. Yeah.
026As a partner electrification, we handle everything for a school district. This is great because the funding is kind of already here. A lot of times we find an interested district, come up with a project plan, figure out where their diesel total cost of ownership is and how we get below that and then go find the funding whether that's state, local, federal to get below that line. Um, luckily with this, we'll hopefully be able to get below those numbers once we get final approval from from Excel. Um, and with this we go through project planning, getting the buses and chargers, making sure we get the the best out there, the chargers that talk to each other. A lot of districts, they go out and they do independent RFPs for the bus, independent RFP for the charger.
027They end up not working together and they become just paper weights on the lot. We make sure that our products are successful. We have vehicle uh and charger uptime guarantees. Um, as of yesterday, we're at 98% across 530 different units across the nation. Um, 98% uptime on the chargers there and over 94% on the vehicle. So, that's much higher than is the standard out there. And that's because that's that's what we do and we have kind of economies to scale to figure this out and make sure we have the best matchups of everything. Um and then as far as uh supporting training, supporting any maintenance or servicing that's needed and um smart charging is the other component that Excel is very interested in because we have to charge at off- peak hours, call events to
028make sure that we're getting the energy efficiently at the right time and the right amount. So we have platforms that manage all of this vehicle to grid and just general charging. And the one thing I'll I'll I'll preface this is the number one priority of Highland is make sure your fleet operates how it's supposed to operate. So as far as getting students to school, that's the number one priority um for this project. >> So if this all magically happens, whatever, do you would you see the district being like a hybrid as far as some electric, some diesel then? >> Yeah, probably. I would I would I would probably say I'm hoping down the line technology comes up better where it can be a hybrid bus. A little bit of both. Yeah. Right now we have
029the option electric or diesel. Yeah. I don't think up in our area in our mountainous area. >> Like David said, all electric will not work for us. There are just too many variables in our way to have an all electric fleet. There's just no way >> it would work. Meaning that there's not enough plugins. I mean, if we had drive to PLO, we'd have to find some station to plug in. That means the district is paying for that. >> Yeah. Well, and then the technology. I don't know if this is the right question for you. I guess a big concern for me would be just I know like my off the grid house is less than 10 years old, but I've already had to like replace all my batteries and my solar system and get
030that all sorted out and it's less than 10 years old. So, how do we feel about whatever system would go in being a longterm, you know, viable long term? I guess >> let's come back to that one because I think that's part of the guarantees of why we're working with Highland and McCandless. It's the perfect question. And then Tim is on the phone for McCandless. I think he'll be able to help us also some of the technical questions, but let's let's keep moving forward and then we'll go to the questions. >> Yeah. >> Yes. Go to the >> other way. Next way. >> There we go. >> Yep. And so what Highland does is we try to derisk the project both financially and operationally. Um d-risking financially means that there are no costs until vehicles
031are actually on the road operational. And then from an operational standpoint drisking that is we have the guaranteed up times on the chargers. route readiness guarantees, meaning that this route that we've set out that this bus can do. When it's returned and plugged in and it's charged up by the next morning, it will be able to run that route. And so, we have all of our modeling making sure that the routes are approved and that they're able to be done. And then, uh, as far as an operational guarantee, uh, we have a full bumper-to-bumper warranty beyond even the manufacturer's warranty for the duration of the contract. And that's on the bus and the charger. So, if we were to not have a bus or charger that worked, that would be on Highland to figure that
032issue out, whether that's installing new parts, installing new batteries. In certain instances, we've had to take chargers out and install new companies chargers. Um, and the price is stable, so it does not go up and down based on all of that risk that we are taking. speaks Jen I think to a lot of what your question and concern previously has been why we've not been interested in looking at this deeper sorry struggling here apparently >> you got to hit the right arrow down >> thank you >> and so and then these are the details of the site plan and our origination team which would be Connor and then our origination manager Adam are more in the weeds on this one so I'm happy to take questions and get responses for them. But it's a 60
033kilowatt uh vehicle to grid or vehicle to building charger that would be installed including the infrastructure. And so that infrastructure is there if we needed technology advancements in 10 20 years. Um you'll have that underground wiring already there calling in the power. >> How how much can you expand? Is there potential to expand in the future? charge three buses instead of one. >> Yes. Yeah, there is. And and we'll have to look at what Excel is pulling in. So, the individual charger has a kilowatt hour amount and then you pull in power from the transformer into a switch gear which processes the power and then puts in the charger. And so, I'm not sure on the specific numbers of what we're pulling in for future. Um, but there's there's usually capacity to then expand it
034and future proof that project. >> Has there been any discussion about putting in solar >> to >> manage this? Actually, I did bring it up to David because I would love to have solar on my buses, but that is a project that's going to be further into the future. And this would actually help with solar. I mean, because we could charge the solar power. But solar power could actually charge the bus. That would take it off the grid if needed. But yeah, I would love to have solar over my buses. A little roof like they have for high school. But that is a whole different ball. >> Could it be retrofitted later if you wanted to move it into solar? >> We will write that question down and have to inspect it. I think >>
035I mean I know that's you know >> wrote that down >> but we can look into this is like the line that comes from the purple one >> all the way over here to the yellow bus. That's the thing that's most interesting to me. That's the infrastructure purchase. 270 ft of conduit >> is a big number. But the question is how much power is running down the road there which then creates the math problem that Matt was referencing and we've got to do the further research on that. That's why this is not a decision tonight. >> I would make an assumption that Excel would want people to do this because then they would make money selling you the electricity instead of you buying the gas. Is that >> not right? >> I think you're right.
036I just think >> I think they're just being >> research about storage. That's how I understand about storage and could we use those batteries? That's what we're wanting. But >> yeah, I think it's that and just like to help with some of their instruction issues that they have of the community outgrowing them faster than they were ready for typically. >> Yeah. When it comes to more the front range districts, they do have a need for the energy in the buses. Sali doesn't quite have that need the strain on the grid as some of those front range. So, it's not that piece of it isn't as relevant for Excel, but they want to explore this in a more rural area and that's kind of where this um district checks the box. You know, >> just logistically,
037I know we've kind of thrown out other ideas with the bus barn property >> in the past um like with other storage facilities and like maintenance or other things or shies with would this affect >> I think it expands our ability to have that conversation. It doesn't where it's being designed. It does not change it. It actually expands possibilities of having >> skid steer that's electric and other things that maybe those those things could become possible because you have that charging station. >> Yeah, there's there's I think it's north further north there's like two acres. >> It's like our property, but it's outside the bus bars. We'll say >> it's between us and the crane industrial facility. Yeah. >> Well, wouldn't it be easier to just move the bus instead of the big conduit? >>
038No, you want the conduit >> because if the reason why that had to go that way because that original one >> was it was parked. Got your little arrows. >> So, if you come down and you come down where the school vehicles are at and where the tree lines at down there, the south end. >> Oops. >> Okay. >> Is he >> this? What you talking about? All right. >> Just get up on the screen. >> Yeah, I'll just point to it. So, the original plan was to put it here. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> The electric bus cannot be parked there because the water line is there. I I I'm sorry. I don't like electricity to begin with and mixing it with water still doesn't sound good. >> It's in a pipe. >> And
039then it still does not sound good to me. Um and then the other one was to put it here. Well, here is now taken up with our fuel tank. I have the diesel tank there. So, the only place to really put it and it would be accessible and I would prefer is to be lined up with the regular buses. >> I would love it. >> If we got another bus, >> I don't know. So on that same if we got another bus it would be able to be parked here and that same grid would be right there. >> Okay. Without having to move a bunch of things around and doing anything. It would still So if we got another bus we could actually put it there. >> I mean you thought >> I think that's
040fine. I personally would love to go as far to the back end of the lot as possible because then you have more conduit that's run to your next property. >> Well that's true. I mean this whole thing this is all in the I don't know. >> I'm struggling. It's very clearly >> we need to hire you. >> So, this whole line is all electrical. >> Okay. This whole line is where we plug in our buses in the winter. So, this is all electrical. We have our light pole right there. >> Unfortunately, the electricity that's here that runs our building comes off of this one. here. The existing one does not project enough power according to Connor when he walked the line. Walk the line with me, >> right? >> That's why they have to come
041off of the pole, >> the main whatever whatever you call it has to come off of here and then run that way. So, yes, it would take more to run it and have it at the end of the but end of the bus line would be good because then if you put the maintenance building on the other side, extend it over. But I don't know what that cost would be. >> So sorry to add, but is there a requirement for it to be a buried conduit? >> Yes. >> Okay. You cannot be an overhead. >> Yeah. You don't want electricity. You don't want lightning to hit. >> You don't want lightning to hit anything. >> My building last remember >> that fire building right there. >> All right. I'm gonna go to the next one
042>> if I can. >> Good job. >> Go ahead. You're doing great dealing with this. Keep going. Thank Thank you. >> Um uh into the Highland budgetary pricing range. So this is our um estimates right now. Actually, if you go back to the previous slide one more time, >> but >> this on the left side the other options being explored. So trying to fit into Excel's program as best as we can. Um it's one 30 kilowatt charger at the bus depot. um it's or a vehicle to building charger at uh the bus depot or at additionally at a school so that way they could power a school in emergency situation. And so those are just some of the different scenarios that we're running and trying to get approval from Excel that then we will forward
043to you guys as far as what we can get funded for. >> And with that said that was brought up to me because all this was supposed to be brought into your packets last week. Well, Excel just all of a sudden threw this on her face. If my bus cannot be parked at the bus barn, it makes difficulties for me to monitor that bus, monitor that route, make sure my driver is there on time. If I have it parked down here at the middle school and that bus is sick that or that driver is sick that morning, doesn't show up, I don't know that until I get called. Okay. Also, they talked about having it parked at the fairgrounds. Again, a variable for me I do not like. One is now way out in the
044open. Vandalism. Again, I don't want our bus to be parked anywhere but in our lot. It's the same as I use for my vehicles. You can't The reason you can't take your vehicle home is because of insurance purposes. Okay? You're going to cover it on your insurance if it gets vandalized. Now, needless to say, if this bus is parked at the fairgrounds, whose insurance is going to cover it? >> I'll send them that bill, baby. >> So, anyway, that's it. But anyway, >> yeah. And so, that's where we instructed Excel that we would need to make sure this bus is stationed as you probably everything else is kind of extra. And what can we do as far as extra? Um, and so it's a 12-year contract and the budgetary price is $18 to $22,000 per
045year. And that includes all of the service and energy and warranty um on the charger, infrastructure, and bus and uh covers any delta between the Excel subsidies and the overall price of the bus and charger and all that extra stuff. Um and we are working on finalizing this pricing um right now again approved through Excel so we can present final numbers to the district. >> What's what's the cost of the diesel bus? >> The diesel bus right now. Okay. >> Yeah. Jimmy's gonna >> go to the next slide also. >> Go Tim. >> Okay. So that was kind of an open-end question, but you're about $170ome,000 on a diesel bus right now with the probability that that's going to go up about $20,000 with new Cummins search charges going into effect um for 2027 carb
046emissions. and that doesn't take into consideration any increase in tariff charges that uh may be incurred over the next 12 to 18 to 24 months. >> So this year, last year when you guys approved a new bus, we paid 171,000 for it. In two more years, >> you'll be close to 200. because of the >> So this So by the time we get to the end of this contract, this bus is probably the same price as it >> No, in 12 years. No, because and I don't mean to interrupt is you're not >> you've got another typically on total cost of ownership on a diesel with maintenance, fuel costs, um inspections, um repairs somewhere depending on the bus, but I use about a $20,000ish number per year. So, um, if you're if you're we used
047$170,000 number on today's pricing over 10 years, you're going to be another 200 plus,240 over um 12 years in just repair, fueling costs, maintenance, oil, tires in addition to the initial purchase price with the Highland model or what Kian's is proposing is you've got the flat whatever the number winds up being that flat annual payment that covers all those accidental costs that you're paying now on your diesel. >> So you're including tires. >> Yeah. Everything >> you're including. The the only thing and and this is dominant way down readers digest is the district needs to put a driver in the driver's seat and that's pretty much your expenditures for the the 12 year life of that bus or for the term that Highland is proposing >> because you're not investing in a diesel bus that
048you own. You're leasing it. It's a lease kind of mentality and we have not analyzed these numbers. That's why it's just a discussion tonight. >> Sure. >> Um but just to make sure you guys aware. But yeah, it seems like it's >> it's worth our looking into. So, >> and one thing, if you don't mind, I just want to touch on um I heard the comment about solar to charge the buses. Um that's an alternative. That's a supplement. Solar is a supplement charging. Um, you can never get enough power from solar panels to completely charge your batteries in a realistic amount of time. It's just more of a supplemental. Just just so everyone's kind of clear on that. >> Yes, >> you can only get so many watts out of solar panels to charge that
049bus, but it does help and it does u uh coincide with your 30 kilowatt chargers that I believe are being proposed. So the cost on the last slide is like the annual expenditure to the district. >> Well, the 18 to 22 number is the annual cost of the district to lease the bus, so to speak, which is similar to our maintenance costs >> at the at the end of 12 years, which is what we're looking at right now. Who owns that bus? >> Highland owns that bus. We have buyout clauses in contracts. Um, so there are >> Yeah. So >> we do you you do not >> Yes. >> It was explained to us then it would be offered to us at market rate which is basically a dollar. To give you an idea even
050our diesel buses at the end of 12 years if we can sell them around $2,000 to $500. >> Okay. Okay. So it's so it's 61. >> Appreciation is very fast. >> We're still using two buses that are over 25 years old. Right. >> Correct. >> We we get beyond our useful life as often as >> I know. But if the point is you can buy a school bus for less than $5,000, >> uh, >> but it probably won't meet Well, going forward it's not going to meet Colorado minimum standards. They're proposing to time out buses on age. So, uh, a 15y old bus will no longer be compliant to run in a fleet for a school district. >> Yeah. >> How many years again, Tim? >> Yeah. 20. It's 20 years, right? >> Excuse me.
051>> Didn't Fred say 20 years? >> He's pushing for 15 now. >> Yeah, it's not. I don't Yeah, he's pushing for it. I don't think it's going to happen right away. >> That's the thing is these are conjectural. I wait until it's actually a law. >> That's it. That's what we're doing. A recommendation. >> Right now, we have >> How many route buses do we have? >> How many route buses do I have? I have five. I have six routes. I have five route buses, one old one using route. So that's six. And then I have T1, T2, T3, T4. We'll have T5 coming in. So there's our trip buses. >> Okay. >> And then I have my three 199 my two 1998s. I have one as a 2001, which is our old standard, and
052then I have a 2004, which is my other standard, um, that I can still run. So, I've been running the 2001 and the 2004. So, the old handicap bus. Oh, yeah. An SN1. I forgot SN1. The old handicap bus right now on route. And then I have the my standard T or bus number 12 is the one I also use for routes. >> And we're talking about one bus. >> One bus. >> So, and uh I mean we've been investing in a new bus every two years for a while now. >> Are those all your trip buses basically? No, the first ones I all the last ones have been my trip buses because I'm trying to make sure that I maintain a route and maintain a trip. So if I have a route bus that's
053stable, a good bus, I need one more route bus and then you have your trip buses so that routes are always covered and then I can send somebody in a trip. We have no backup buses at all. None. I have to use my trip buses as backup buses if the route bus goes down. >> Next month if we bring this back we will bring a list of every one of our buses and when we >> that would help decision making be able to see it and >> have that listed out just a little side question I know that there was the discussion about all buses have to be 20 years or less old. That was legislation. >> No. >> Or would that be a polit policy change? >> It's CDE recommendations. >> Okay. >> CDE
054will go then to legislation. He is trying to go through legislation to get the Colorado Department of Legislation to change school buses not be used by so many years. >> That has not happened right now. It's only at the CDE, Colorado Department of Education level. He has not made it to legislation yet. >> What's the Sorry. And because technology changes so much, it's harder to find parts. So like on my 1998s, I can call Timmy and say, "Timmy, >> I need a gas pump. I need an oil filter. I need anything like this for that bus. Even though this is still a mechanis, but because of technology and new buses, that part is now deleted. There is no such thing. And you cannot use you cannot go to a junkyard and pull parts off of
055an old bus and put on a bus and route. That is an absolutely no. >> Mr. McCandless, could you hear that? >> Huh? >> It sounded like you were doing that from you said one in my fleet buses. >> There is Could you hear this? I know it's always hard on the speaker. Did you hear of the conversation? They're discussing generalities of upkeep of buses and what happens as they age. Um, particularly parts. I'm not sure if you can hear or not. >> Yep. I heard what Evelyn was saying. And even at the dealership level and the national dealership level, we we are having we're seeing a very uh limited supply of parts even as new as 15 to 16 years old, getting our hands on them. Um as a manufacturer per model, we're we're
056mandated to have parts for 10 years is what we're mandated for. Um, we typically as a manufacturer try and have parts longer than that, but that's where when buses get 20, 25 years older, there's just a limited amount of parts. So, it does at times get very difficult to find replacement parts for older buses. >> Okay, that's concept. Let's keep on moving through this slide deck. >> Yeah, just a little bit about Highland and why we'll be around and able to partner with Salida. Um, we were founded in 2019. Our CEO has a background in energy and looked at electrification of fleets and how that's a future model for transportation, specifically when it comes to school districts is a a highlight of ours for yellow school bus. Um, with that, the delta between diesel and
057electric is super high right now, as you can see with the prices. So, going out and getting grants is kind of our bread and butter. uh similar to this Excel program. And with our first capital raise a few years ago, we were at $253 million raised um and we're looking for another capital raise. So extending our runway as we get more and more projects and becoming more self-sufficient beyond that. Um we in Montgomery County in Baltimore, we have the largest electric bus school bus project and it's over 200 buses uh outside Baltimore and we have over 900 electric vehicles under contract right now. Um that's about 600 on the road. Um that's at 94% vehicle uptime. Um as far as securing Salida School District's interest in this, uh we register an independent LLC. So if
058anything were to happen to Highland, the operation of the bus would be an independent business essentially and be able to continue to function um on that. And um Highland targets a 6 to8% return on projects and we usually don't see that money till well after halfway uh down the line of the project. >> Ken, how much would you go back one more slide? That was pretty pretty smooth transition. Um, how much of that $550 million in grants is federal money money? >> Um, I think it's close to about a little over $300 million in federal. >> So three Okay. How is the project fully funded in this independent LLC from the beginning? Is it secured by line credit or how how is it? Yeah, we we go out to secondary um of the banks and
059get funding. >> So So if Highland went bankrupt, this an LLC would have some financial stability. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> That got me excited. Our first solar project on top of a high scored not having this done correctly and so this excited me to see this done maybe feel better about >> Yeah. I mean this made you is the like original founder the current >> 530 buses are on the road. What's the What are the other vehicles that are on the road that you guys do that that get you to the 900? >> Um mostly light duty um trucks and vans >> like maintenance vehicles for school districts. >> Yeah. >> Or or field tripy kind of ones. >> Yeah. Okay, got it. >> Or um >> city buses. >> Uh not city buses
060yet, but we are looking into more heavy duty municipal municipal uh vehicles as well. >> Who uh who makes the battery? >> The battery is Tim. Who's your battery? Um they're up in China right now and it's >> Luda >> and Trayon which that's who owns International right now. They're in the midst. So, Trayon owns Volkswagen and and quite a few other car manufacturers is logistically they're looking at bringing the battery um uh building the batteries into the United States. What they have to get around is unfortunately the United States has no none of the rare earth minerals right now that it takes to build the batteries. So all all EV manufacturers all rely on outside sources for the raw materials for the batteries. >> China China owns all the lithium >> correct >> most
061of the world. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Want me to go to the next slide? >> Yeah. I think uh this is an overview of kind of what's covered under the Excel um Excel rebate and then what are the extra hidden costs in the project that is part of that contractual price that um we displayed earlier. And then um and then this is getting the the a few of the timelines. most important is um the electric vehicle tax credit is expiring at the end of September. So making sure that we are able to get a contract under or signed before that to capitalize on those tax credits so it's cheaper. Um and then same on the Chargers that expires June of next year. And the Excel timeline is to make sure that these are all operational
062by the end of 2026. So those are kind of the timelines we're working with, but it would be for next school year is our estimated timeline and we will refine this in the final proposal. >> Key reason you're hearing it this month and then next month have a decision if we can get through the contract details is because by September 15th we're told then we can access the end of those grant opportunities. >> Federal Yeah. 45W and 30C are the two tax credits. And that's for Highland andor Excel. >> And what do we have aotted in the budget for the bus? >> Currently, we put aside $80,000 a year. >> Okay. >> Those tax credits are pil. >> Yeah. But forward it through to to the district and pass those savings on >> and they're
063going to take six or eight% off that for their overhead. Yeah. And then >> is Highland and Excel both get six >> Highland. >> Yeah. Because we're doing Yeah. Not Excel. >> So we sell those tax credits because we don't need >> the tax credits are being ran to the district. We don't pay taxes. >> No, no, we can check into it. I have no idea. >> I see the question. It makes sense. that is the um public private partnership is because you guys don't pay pay the taxes you don't get access to the tax credits but working with high >> yes >> what' you say Matt >> they're buying the books >> so they get the credit and pass it on to us >> and then the final slide is just some of those
064total cost of ownership calculations broken down And we're happy to refine these more and more so you guys get accurate numbers on the diesel TCO side. >> And when you do, can we get a paper copy? Yes. I can't see that. Okay. Thank you. >> Yeah. Yeah. I just wanted to be able to present this. I want you guys kind of get some idea. What I'd love is if you have questions, if you could forward those to Aaron, Evelyn, myself so we can try and run those down so that next month if we're still we think that the numbers work great. If we think it's the right deal and we bring it to you for a vote, we are making sure we bring the right information to you. >> And really, your question should really
065go to David because I will give David Tim Mickey's uh email. He already has Keenan's. I'll get him Connor's email and that way those questions can be filtered to those three guys. I mean, I can answer some questions, but not as well as these guys can. Um, and that way all your questions, any questions you have, so by the end of September or whatever, you guys make a decision, these three are already in the loop >> and you guys are all together. >> Yeah. >> And I work very close together >> and Charlie's angels over here. >> Yeah. one on my >> So, but really like >> from a financial obligation, the district is purely the annual costs, but there's the annual contract with Highland for $25,000. Well, 18 to 22 >> and then allowing
066access, we'll say, to our property for Excel to put in that condiment and everything else. >> And we'll see. we might have to also agree to say we're going to allow for us to figure out how to plug that back into a building and support our electrical grid for one of our school buildings. So, I think there's there's a lot more exploration of concepts to look at, but those are the things that are on the table right now we're trying to understand. >> Yeah, this is kind of a fast thing. Like I said, if you guys would have had more information, but XL decided to throw a taboo in everything. So, this is like kind of like thrown together to bring it to you. So, you guys had an idea. I'm hoping that with this
067conversation that between Kenan, Connor, and Tim, they can actually put a real packet together with real numbers, get it to David, then David can spread it with you guys so that you guys actually have something to read and understand. That that is the whole process. This was just so that you guys were aware of what was going on. And if we wanted to use our funds or find other funds and go buy another bus, we could use the same probably charging stations, I assume, but we'd have to get into another contract with Highland if we wanted the maintenance on those types of things. You >> mean if we wanted to run two electric buses? >> So I asked Tim about that. That was one of my questions today when I was talking to Tim. I
068said, "Okay, so what if instead of buying one bus, we want to buy two?" Okay. Because I can use another bus on a different route. The other long route would be the Pinion Hills Ross route that goes up to Sugar Shack. That's another route that's about 28 miles round trip, 30 miles give or take. So I'd have two buses. And I said, "What would be the basic cost for that?" Well, then if you had $18,000 you're paying for one bus, you just double that and you pay $36,000. Is it a year? >> Per year. >> You would pay two per year for two buses. >> But we'd also we'd have to pay for the second bus. No, it would be in the same contract >> up to six >> if you instead of doing both
069it'd be about the same. So instead of just doing one, you do two >> and it would be the same contract. >> So >> the the six was the minimum for other districts for the rural district. That is not Yes, that's why I said certain projects. >> The caveat on the one verse two is just the Excel funding pool. So you would have to explore and make sure that it would be subsidized. If it wasn't, then it would be a really expensive bus. >> Yeah. And I guess that's I know you want questions directed to you, but I mean I believe through some sort of funding mechanism BV school district got a bus donated by Sanger to Christ. I don't know where the money's flowed from above Sang Gray, but like I think I don't
070want to make this like a big community partnership, but I would love to have conversations with ED's transportation folks. Sang Gray is the other electrical provider in the county and then you know I do think there may be some opportunities of we will be a large charging station and I don't know if Excel cares that they would add more to that or if they just want to hone in on those moments. Okay, we can try and explore that and see where it goes over the next month. >> All right, and our general questions. I feel like you guys are caught up to speed. So, if it comes to you next month, you'll be you won't be caught uh surprised. You'll be able to think about it and for us some questions. We exploring and doing
071our due diligence on this. But it seems like it may be the right time to look at this lease kind of purchase solution. >> How you feeling, money, man? >> That's the first time I've seen the actual numbers. So, >> but I mean we talked about it 80,000 velocity >> our 80,000 transportation I mean somewhere in there where the where does all the cost of running transportation to you next saying anything tonight on that. >> I didn't ask I didn't understand >> the $80,000. So when >> our capital >> it's it was when I started this when I started being your director in 2009. >> It was really hard for transportation to be able to purchase buses. The superintendent at that time wanted to only buy the purchase used buses and that was the two
072buses that are going down now. Um then the next superintendent came in with a new board and I got tired of band leading and I said I'm done. So at that time is when we started looking into funding on how to fund buses. So they went out and purchased the two buses which is T1 and T2. Those are our 2013s. the two brand new buses that we bought were internationals. There are the Max forces. After that is when sitting down with the board and with that superintendent said, "Okay, we need to generate some kind of way of purchasing buses on a regular basis." Back then it was a lot easier. Every two years buying a bus was good. Now it's getting to where the technology and parts are getting fewer and fewer. that every two
073years is getting to be I'm running those buses. T3 for example is only what 29 it's only like 40 years old. I've already got 100,000 miles on that and that's a trip bus. You know it's it's getting to where we're going farther and longer. Okay. So purchasing buses, replacing parts, yes it gets expensive, but that's your transportation. It's no different than driving your own car and replacing your car. Cars going up. >> So your $80,000 >> $8,000 was in there was just set aside. It's like a It's like a savings. >> Yeah. But that's your transfer for we'll call it a capital. >> But there is a transportation funds are used for operating and everything else. >> Yeah. Okay. That's >> that's where the 80,000 came from. They put it into a savings fund. So
074every two years I could purchase a bus. >> It used to be 40 I think while I was around. $50,000. So, this has come in that you would have to up increase that savings account to another $40,000 put aside to buy us. >> So, I'll bring back some context and other things. Closing remarks. >> Yeah. Um, thank you for your time and congratulations. The successful start of the year. I was a former teacher myself and the first two weeks can be pretty difficult. And Joe, just the other thing is, um, other funding sources are out there and we're on top of them and can keep the district up to date. Excel this kind of all-incclusive funding where it's three levels of bus charger infrastructure is pretty lucrative. So that's why it's definitely take a deep
075look right now and then you have the infrastructure so future expansion will be a little simpler. So that's kind of the the spiel there. But thank you all so much for your time and please ask any questions and we'll get the answers back to you. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thanks. >> All right. Thanks everyone. >> Thanks Tim. Bye. >> Bye, Charlie. >> Hey, Timmy. >> It's Tim. Timothy Timothy. Thank you. >> In case there's any questions. Thanks everyone. >> Well, that's it. Yeah, like I said, >> I have a request for a potty break. So, we're going to take a five minute break. We'll come back here at 7:30. [Music] ready. >> I think I have a few of those. All right, we're back. Good job. Erin's keeping me on time. >> All right,
076we're moving into action items. Uh we have no second reading policies. Uh we do have the uh IGA being moved out of consent. So looking for a motion to approve IGA with slide of PD for the school resource officer. >> So move Jen second. Um David, I don't know if you want to start or Matt if you want to have comments if you really want to pull it out of consent either way. >> Um a couple comments. one at the last meeting I sort of mentioned uh the desire to have something in there that refresh the fact that is notation I didn't see anything in there I don't know if that was discussed >> it was discussed I can tell you where the initial conversation went and if you want we want if we want
077to lean into that space we could but the initial conversation is particularly like the way you just said it, >> right? >> We somehow limit the slide of PD's ability to participate with ICE. That is not something the police chief could sign. >> Um, which is not the same though, >> which is not the same thing as saying limiting maybe the SRO's involvement, but they did not that wasn't really an opening conversation. Um, so that's it was discussed. That was kind of the initial and we didn't push into that space. So if the board wanted me to push into that space, push into that deeper. >> I mean, I don't know where the board feels. I mean, I I feel pretty strongly that the police should not be enforcing immigration laws in our schools. >>
078Not and it's not the same as cooperating with ICE. I get it. They need to cooperate with ICE, but they don't need to be in our schools enforcing immigration laws. >> Period. >> Matt, are you talking about the SRO or are you talk Okay, >> so that's that's two different statements. the SRO >> versus the police who wouldn't have the authority to make that invitation. >> Yeah, not being precise enough. >> That's all right. That's I'm just being >> certainly talking about the concern. >> Can someone tell me what constraints if any does our police department have? Maybe no one has this answer on working with ICE in the community already. They have not signed any agreement to um basically ICE deputizes your police if you sign an agreement. Um >> no state law allows
079that. >> It does. Yep. No, only one agency has signed that agreement is with the jail for transferring of uh immigrants in a jail situation. Um, no other police agency in Colorado to date has signed any agreement whereby you'd be a Salida PD officer and an ICE agent simultaneously would be the best way in my understanding to explain. That's not happened or anything else. So, the only way that would happen is if a uh federal agent came in with the appropriate paperwork, search warrants or warrants, then everyone has to comply with that that judicial document. That's us. That's >> we have a policy for that in place. >> Yep. And that's that is Yes. >> So even with like that's ask of the SR enforcement. Anything out of the court would supersede that. >> Correct.
080>> So what authority for restricting their activity does the school district have? It would it just be we're not going to employ? >> It's just a matter of contract. You know, we're making a contract with them and they would be in breach of the contract. I mean that's >> so it has no teeth. So in that case >> you can say that any contract, right? >> No. >> Yeah, you can. What you just said is anybody can breach anything at any time. >> But there's I did not say breach. I said teeth. Sorry. >> Well, >> it has no teeth. >> Well, then they would be in breach and >> you would sue the police department or someone >> you could in theory you could terminate >> limit limit the access that they would have
081>> if if you went down that road. This is very theoretical. I want to be really careful. Um because there's no concern, fears, knowledge, suspicions, or anything else in our community of any of that happening. I want just be uh very careful since we're in a public meeting. Make sure everyone else hearing there's there's no concern, no knowledge of any concern of federal agents coming into Salida and acting. And so we're in the theoretical world. If you and everyone assigned this and we put a limitation on the SRO and someone showed up with a warrant, then you would be saying as per the contract that SRO would now carry out that warrant a different officer. They would assign a different officer, patrol officer, a street officer maybe would call to come and do that. That
082would be the theoretical way of trying to keep the contract, keep the law in those spaces. That's that would be how I would understand. >> Yeah. I mean, in theory, Salida PD would never carry out a warrant for ICE. It would be an ICE agent. >> Correct. >> Y unless they agreed, >> which is to me is like I don't know why they would have a problem not agreeing to what I'm suggesting. I think you're into um just various people saying who's in who's going to limit who and who has the authority to limit who and >> well if they're not going to do it anyway they're not really agreeing to anything. Yes, that would be the argument for them to sign on is it's >> um risks nothing, so why would you not agree
083to it? >> And I think the counterargument would be if it risks nothing and has nothing then why are you enforcing it into the contract? >> Well, because it's a message to the community, I think, >> which is important in this time. Oh, what your is your concern that this SRO who develops these relationships with these miners would then be extracting said miners? Is that what your concern is? Is that it's a high trust position and then you would lose instantly lose all of that rapport if they if the SRO specifically did that? I >> I'm more concerned about sending a message to the community. >> Good. Okay. Yeah. Okay. under attack right now, rightly or wrongly, but um you know, we've had a history in this country of >> you know, public institutions educate
084um children whether whether they're citizens or not. That's been the law of the land for a long time. Um, and yeah, it's it just sends a message that uh to that community that, you know, we're we're having we definitely agree that an SRO needs to be in school, but here's the boundaries. You know, we're not we're not going to be here to enforce immigration laws, which is what they're doing already. >> Right. It's the current place. >> Well, and I'd be curious. I mean, obviously a bigger district like Denver has SRO's, correct? or do or do they they don't anymore, right? Or did they bring them back? >> They've been bringing them back. They're always it's always going to be a conversation. >> So, they brought them back and they obviously have far more immigration
085concerns than we have. >> Far more attention. Yeah. >> So, I would be curious if they have any types of these clauses in the Denver SRO contracts. >> I can ask her lawyer when I asked the question specifically. She said, "We have not done that with anybody else." >> But I think you're right, Jody. I think the minute that would happen, they would lose. There would be no trust with that SRO between with the students. >> And I want to know if a federal agent shows up to my office with a badge, a gun, and a warrant, I will do whatever I'm told to do to assist that federal signed by a judge. >> The law will be followed, >> right? >> It's a matter of who would be for you to send a message
086to the community that we will follow the law, right? But Bri would not be implementing the law that this district would follow. >> If someone would be the >> warrant, the same action would be taken. It just wouldn't be done by the SRO. >> And I don't even know if I'm asking for that line to be drawn. Um, you know, the if somebody shows up with the warrant, it's not going to be the SRO who's enforcing it. You know, the SRO is not going to come to the school district with a with a federal warrant unless there has been some other agreement that is going to be cooperative. I thought that's what you were asking the IDA to say when there's a warrant the SRO would not be >> I put I'm just saying so
087I you know that the SRO will not enforce you know be enforcing immigration laws right >> for clarity of what is already done a lot more with you know accepting you know there's a morah >> I mean it's currently the status quo current status legal quo >> but the police department could change their mind and sign on. >> They could >> we could get a new police chief who signs on. So >> then we can write >> so I guess currently yes like the law is that they are they have not signed on to be deputized as agents. >> But are you concerned if >> theoretical or more just like the me? >> Again I'm concerned with the messaging. Um, it's not a hill I'm going to die on, but I I would like to,
088if the rest of the board wants to, I would like to push it forward to the negotiation. >> Okay. >> For sure. >> Can I just ask you also asked Paul, is that the main reason you wanted to discuss that tonight? >> Uh, there is one other issue. >> Okay. I just wanted to see if there was other issues. >> Um, so the other issue, if nobody else has anything, um, the indemnification was struck out by Melissa. I'm a little concerned about that. Policing is a pretty high liability area and I know why she took it out and I and I don't agree with her uh from a legal principle, but we we would want the indemnification. So oftentimes what happens in these negotiations when local governments want indemnification struck, it's because they are the
089indemnifying party. We're asking essentially if something bad happens, knock on wood, it's not it it's going to be we want the indemnification from Salida. So it's not like we're going to ever be in a position where we are indemnifying Salida. The more likely scenario is Salida is going to need to indemnify us if something bad happens with the SRO does something cuckoo. Um and that was taken out. >> Can we look at I don't know if you can see what's on the screen. Um she sometimes and that you can do this lawyers there's more red than there actually is because they like to rearrange things or feel like um it can be said better. >> So the way I read that Matt might be different than the way you read it. So please help me.
090You'll see below here this indignifying statement is removed. >> Yeah. >> Right. That's the one you're discussing. >> Right. But above it, she inserted a different one. >> It says the parties or governmental entities as such are prohibited >> law from and that's not true. I spent weeks studying this issue for this University of Colorado. I probably know more about it than almost any attorney in the state because I went down the rabbit hole on this. Uh and that's just a rope thing that local government attorneys do. That's really not it's arguable. So the other provision that she struck out, it says each party to the extent permitted by law. So it allows that argument to take happen in court whether it's permitted or not. Right. And she's just saying out of the bat it's
091not which >> cuts. >> It's a risk. >> It's it's a risk for us. >> Makes sense. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. It helps me because clearly I'm not >> how it was was fine. You know, somebody could come in and argue, well, it's not allowed under whatever that constitutional provision is, and then the other lawyer would say, well, it is allowed. And then you have a judge decide. >> But the way it's drafted now, we don't even get to have that >> ability to seek indemnification if if we need to. >> So, your recommendation to the board is to uh put back in the way it was, >> leave it as is. Yeah. >> All right. That makes sense to me. Thank you. >> So, are there any other questions or comments on the IGA?
092>> Right now, are we changed >> with an A? >> We are not operating with an active. it is expired at the IG right now which I'm I'm not really in deep concern. And I think Bri does an amazing job and we're working together. It may concern other people, but it's I'm not deeply concerned at this moment, but there is that's a liability that we'd like to close the loop on. >> Well, and if we do it through >> and that's one of the reasons that was what the city asked. I think that is a very reasonable thing. They also asked, hey, can we get to 50% mark? I said, no, we will do the 30%. My board is very clear on that. And we are open to having that >> 30k% >> 30k. Thank
093you. $30,000. But so that was the clear >> very important message. >> This is that was the clear board's message. I said, but we are always open to having new conversations even if there's a multi-year agreement. Um boards come and go and I didn't want to limit the next board in some way >> ahead of us. >> Um I'm going to make a suggestion. Um there's a couple ways to take that forward. I think you've had your conversation. Um, one you could amend the motion which I believe been made. Um, was to say um, approve the IG with the two changes recommended to return the indemnification clause as it was and to insert a clear statement that the SRO will not implement laws. I can't think of a word. immigration laws. Those are the two
094suggestions on the floor. And obviously, you don't have to make that suggestion. You could table it and tell me, David, bring back those things. Matt's got a chance to make himself clear, but I know that would be kind of how kind of two ways to solve it or just say motion stands, make a vote, and then enforce it that way. That's probably the third option. I would recommend tableabling it because I know there were a few other areas that we were trying to get resolution to and doesn't seem like we've got >> final resolution. The blue highlights I believe they were the blue ones trying to clarify. Yeah, we have not heard back from the city. Um they were trying to clarify. One of the big things you struggle with in SRO is around the
095issue of FURA, right? Educational records. They're invited in the system. How do you make sure this person's got enough knowledge to do their job and protect us and stay involved but not have educational records be turned into evidence effectively for crimes? That's a a line and um I just want to make sure the community knows there's no struggle there, but clarifying that is complex. >> Um so that's some of the remaining areas that need to be addressed. If we can't come to an agreement by the September meeting, >> yeah, >> I mean, at what point does it become a liability that we have an SRO without MG? >> If um I I I will bring you back one particularly. I'd like clarity from if you're not if you're going to table it, I still need
096clarity >> from these ideas that Matt has brought forward. There's two so I can bring that back with clarity so everyone can say yes, that's what we want. And if they can't bring that back and we're at um a stuck point, then we need to have a different conversation. We'll have a lawyer provide recommendations on what options we have and we probably need to sit down with other elected officials and discuss. I guess this isn't a staff conversation. >> Is the yellow and blue stuff that Melissa put in that their lawyer is not done? >> The only thing that's remaining is the was the stuff in the blue. That's it. But did that come from Melissa or come from their lawyer? >> Both hands, >> right? It's come back and forth. >> And I want
097to be clear with you, the lawyer is very happy. I think the city has been very very helpful. There's was quite a few changes and they saw the wisdom and what was being suggested and accepted vast majority of those. I I don't there's been no bad faith or complex or ease. It's all been very smooth and easy. Um and I'd be glad if you take a look to bring some back. I just want clarity on the two issues that Matt's brought me brought us. >> What What are you guys' initial reaction on those two points that Matt brought up? >> Yeah, I I agree Matt's desire to kind of have that statement effort to the community. Would also agree it's not denial and I'd rather have a signed and effective IGA without the language than
098continue to debate that topic for periods on end. >> Okay. What about the indemnification part? >> He's an attorney. I trust him more than you're going to get out of me. >> Yeah. Okay. So, you you you'd like us to demonstrate support in a different way for our students who may or may not have legal status, but you support him returning that indemnification up into where the laws that um be right there. No, I I >> I can't hear you because >> I would advise tableabling it and then working on those two points, >> bless the blues, bringing back a clean final version. >> If the city of Salida, Sala PD, whatever, if we can't get across that bridge on the immigration comments in that, >> then I would bring it forward with everything else
099fixed >> because it's I think we have our intent. I don't know. Sounds like they have the same intents as us, but maybe Phil, whatever reasons that they don't want to put that in, >> they want it to be more of a handshake. >> Yeah, maybe maybe the conversation hasn't been pushed on enough. So, we should push on it and see what comes out. >> Does that help you, David, with more information? >> Does everybody want me to push on an immigration conversation? I'd like more clarity on what we're asking because there are surely circumstances where having grie, you know, a detention or something in school would be actually beneficial instead of having people who aren't as familiar with the kids uh going in and doing that. And that that's the thing is it gets
100so so hypothetical. I know I don't like putting too many parameters on because you can always think of a hypothetical where one's better than the other. So putting those parameters down may limit uh something in the future. Hopefully nothing in the future. So at least having an idea of what you're wanting to see out of it. Besides I don't like public statements like I think our we should be judged by our actions more than than a statement. And so besides the public statement part because we can make that uh independently of this this issue. We could >> or public statement. Yeah. So, is there a way we could do something like that? And then having a uh something working with the police department that we all easily agree with. >> Yeah. I mean, like I
101said, it's not a hill I want to die on, but it's something I would like to in terms of the actual language. I mean, I can sit down here and hammer something out, you know, but uh yeah, there's always going to be hypotheticals that come up. It's certainly not the main thing my main concern is just which is already happening is that the SRO does not cooperate with them. Yeah, you could massage language. >> And I apologize. I may not listen well. I heard Matt ask about that last meeting. I asked about it. I didn't push deep into that space. So, if the rest of the board really wants me to push deep in that space and I didn't listen well. I apologize. Be glad to push into that space. I can try and come
102back with either language in the contracts or here's some solutions so that everyone gets what they need for the theoretical without our contract and a multi-year agreement with them. So >> yeah, I mean we've worked really hard to rebuild that relationship and I think it's on a really good space. So, I think a conversation with you and again, I don't know if that's uh Christy Dun and the administrator, if that's Chief Johnson or who that is to kind of have the conversation before the attorneys start passing language back and forth that we can come to something meaning >> Well, and I was just going to say, I mean, I definitely agree with Matt's sentiment. Um, I guess I worry a little like if Melissa said she's never done this for any other district, like we're
103the only district in the state that's adding this kind of language into our SO SRO agreement. Like I hear what Ben's saying that there can be these unintended consequences because sometimes I mean I don't see a circumstance where Brie helping with an immigration is helpful, but I do agree with you that her helping with other students. You know, she's familiar with kids, she can deal with them more appropriately. Hopefully she learns how to deescalate better than maybe other officers. So I guess I am curious like if there's no other district in the state that has added this language, do we really want to be the little rural district that decides to >> my normal I'll just say my normal strategy is not to because then you attract attention and I don't think this is the
104right >> federal political help our kids most but other people view it differently. >> David, do you feel because I admittedly am not super in touch with that community. >> Do you I would be interested to know if this is something we are hearing because we do have a lot of wonderful advocates for that community that email us and come to our meetings. Is this a concern that you've heard voiced from either students who this would apply to or their families? >> Nothing specifically has ever been mentioned. >> Just out of curiosity, >> nothing specific has ever been mentioned that I know. >> Okay. Yes, >> but I don't know anyone's ever asked that specific of a question. So, the silence may or may not. It's not independently rising. >> Not necessarily. Kids are not
105going to school because we haven't answered it. >> Nope. Never heard anything else. >> Okay. I would recommend tableabling, but Ben, you would have to make that motion. Um, if there's anything else, >> I would like to move to table. Yes. >> Till the September meeting. >> Okay. >> All right. I'll get after it. >> Thank you for clarifying. >> We haven't vote on that yet. So our second All right. Dr. Becker Pettit. >> Hi, >> Dr. Hill. >> Hi, >> Mr. Hawks. >> Hi, >> Mrs. Blumbberg. Hi, >> Mrs. Pascal. Hi, >> Miss Schiff. >> Hi, and Mr. Smith. >> Hi. >> Okay. Uh, we're through action items. So board communications committee reports Mandy I assume there's nothing out of Boseies with the second day of the school. >> I don't have anything >>
106other districts haven't started. So okay uh Karen and I from a facilities committee I think everything's moving smoothly except our county land conversation. We poked the bear again today and got a response that they're going to respond to. So >> we'll see what's the response. >> We'll see what that looks like. uh getting a little getting more frustrated and discouraged and we'll see where we go once we get their response. So >> yeah, >> you got a response >> communications. What is the status of the HA building? >> Let me answer that question. That's uh for closing. I'll close at the um end of the month. August 29th is closing date. Right. Right now CMC is kind of using uh the Kzner building. They're also kind of using that right now as well. We're dealing
107with >> She has a class in there. I was like you do. >> Yeah. So we are utilizing that that building right now because we have a pigeon issue in Kzer that is not making it good for classes. >> Pigeon like the bird. >> We used to encourage them. We used to leave food for So it's your fault, Joe. >> Yeah. >> So August 29th, we should close on that through inspection. Let's move forward. Don't see any issues. Um and those funds will be then allocated to be set aside for capital projects. Again, putting in a great position. Jen, Matt, Kim, communications. >> I think we're off to a great start. Um, we've got our communications plan in place. Um, we started our letters to the editors campaign. Um, and so you'll start seeing those
108routinely, hopefully twice a month is our plan. Um, and so, yep. So, it's just part of our our communications plan. And I think David's slated to write the next one. Um at our retreat day on the 22nd, we'll talk through this Sunday, the rest of those um topics. Uh principles will also be a chance to highlight their buildings. Um so excited to see a big compliment to the team because there's all kinds of information that you're pushing out the media. I hear it on the radio. I see it in voice. Read it in the mountain. Loved the training and the policy that's for immigration that's um that's that everybody had and everybody can follow. And then it's also up and then there's also very detailed and specific guidance in English and Spanish on the website
109for our families on how to maybe mitigate that worry from. Well, and that was well received by the group that's been coming and they've had their eyes on us and appreciated that. >> Quick comment on the website. Can we not access the policy book anymore? >> You should be and I have >> because I tried to look for the dress code today because I was going to compare and >> on my computer and when I searched like schoolboard policy there's only like four things and I couldn't >> from the website. Yeah, let's talk better. You should be able to >> We don't know what you're the first one to mention. There's many problems. We'll check links. >> Yeah, yeah, let's we'll talk. You should be able to. I noticed the other day I tried to
110hold something up on my phone and having issues with the mobile piece of it always cuts off on the mobile. >> Yeah, but I couldn't access like it was weird. >> You want your You want your school board to be able to access their policy. Yeah, >> you can you Yeah, we'll we'll cover. >> Okay, we're gonna move forward. >> We'll work on that. Casby Jen, >> seems like there's not a lot of interest from anyone in our regional meeting. So, I think that's just going to be Thank you. So, I'm sure that off your calendar. >> So, I think next Wednesday, next Wednesday. I do not think you need to attend. I did inform Casby that since there's not the final answer, they were going to wait one more day to see if anyone
111else had registered, but we did not talk to Jen. CN need to host them from Denver just to talk to us. I feel like we have the ability to talk to them whenever we need to. So, next Wednesday. I don't if you can take that off your >> Okay, the policy is working. Must be doing something weird. >> Internet connection. >> That was the It's Tuesday the 19th. You should be able to cancel that. >> Yeah, we'll we'll double triple that tomorrow. But >> no, we're canceling. >> Ben, anything with the deck? >> Not that. >> Kim, election update needed still. >> Right. We are officially in petition season. So, anyone interested in running for the board is welcome. check in with me and I will get them the petition and all the needed things.
112Uh, anyone who's checked out a petition and it's ready to get turned in, great to do that early so I have time to validate signatures. That's really all I have to say at this moment. >> When's the uh deadline? >> Uh, August 29th at noon because it's a Friday and that's our business hours. So deadline after hours after session discussion. >> Okay. Uh calendar of events. We just talked about cancelling the 18. Uh >> can we talk about future meeting topics first? >> Yeah. Sure. >> Well, let me go through the calendar. >> Uh the parent seminar school safety that is August 20th. I'm sure we'll get more details, but we do have that night. Last year, I know there was one attendee. Um, >> he did ask a lot of good questions, so that
113was good. Um, >> same as the Oak Street Open, >> right? Uh, next next Friday, is that right? The 22nd, we have our retreat >> and that's here. >> That will be here. Um, we will send out an agenda, so to speak. Um, we kind of put that together before and if you would look at our various policy positions and activity statements and things like that. Um, that's kind of where we figured we would spend our time. That's kind of the basis of our strategic plan. Um, so those kinds of things were the basis, but topics for future meetings. >> I think that answers my question. I mean, just with that lacrosse email coming in, like I just think we need to definitely spend a fair amount of time circling back to figuring out how
114we're moving forward with. >> Yeah, we we kind of allocated basically, you know, we've tackled and spent a lot of time on a few of those like communications. There may be some stuff to follow up on diving into the activities, technology, things of that nature. And then this is just kind of a random aside, but I was just curious, David, because I was kind of surprised in the meeting when you said about the not responding to email for five days and wanting people to come in and call and set meetings rather than respond to emails. >> Yep. >> I was curious how that's been received by teachers because I would imagine maybe some of them would rather receive an email from a parent than schedule a meeting with a parent. >> Some of them would
115and I don't think that's the best practice or good practice in any way, shape, or form. Um and so there's a couple things strategically I would like to look at. Um one it is a little hard but if we are going to engage this conversation of what right now people want to talk about is AI but we are going to quickly have to address quantum computing in our industry and what our philosophy and thinking is around educating kids. We are going to have to start to think deeper about what we're going to let go of. Um the answer is not do more. And I want to be at the forefront of the conversation to say what we hire teachers for and what a teacher can do that a computer will never be able to do
116is to be with another human and that that's their most important thing that we do. So that is where that's at. You surprise me if we push back or shift that. But in order to initiate new thinking, we've got to start to let go of and change that and start to claim spaces to generate new conversations. I'm very fearful that what we're going to try and do to public education is the mistake we've made again and again of just do one more thing. Um, and in order to do better, you have to let go of what are we going to let go of? And so that conversation was starting there strategically. Um and to also state clearly upfront we're for quid development, human development and community. That's our vision. So let's get clear about it.
117And if email is like no it's the most essential thing ever. Great. And let's discuss how that helps us build community in that sense. because parent a teacher who does not want to talk to a parent and would rather just do email communication is not best practice and is not going to generate the best for our kids or the best for our community. So kind of some more thought there >> on the agenda for >> it' be in the communications plan >> for >> Yep. It' be the communications plan. >> Yeah. And technology. Yep. >> Yeah. I don't think broad blanket statements are helpful, right? Clearly appropriate. Clearly face to face. >> Yep. >> Those were my two topics. >> Okay. Um, agenda review. Who wants to sign up for September agenda? Well, one back
118to CASBY stuff real fast. Sorry, I probably should have done something. I did send a link today just to a quick form for the convention in December. I do need you to do a quick I know it's in December because it's we're on the Broadmore list this year. We have to get those reservations in on the 18th of August. So, I just need I know it's a long way away. >> Just register >> August >> for the hotel. So, if you could just go through theoretically, if you could just give me your planned dates knowing they can change, but if you could help me with that, that'd be super awesome. >> Okay, now we can talk about Kim. Is that what you have called to respond to the form 2024 Cathy annual conference? >> Yes.
119Mitch, I should have updated the title, but yes, that's >> call to action. >> Yeah. Anyway, >> please All right. Agenda review for September. I'll keep rolling. >> My's on it. >> Looking for a motion to approve or >> Mandy. A motion to adjurnn at 8:07. table. >> Green table.