Board of Selectmen Budget Workshop 3/18/2025

001I'd like to call our second budget Workshop meeting to order could please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for stand one nation under God indivisible liy and justice for all this will be our second budget bu budget Workshop and Tom back again back again start on page 57 Public Works director budget so this budget is made up of two employees the uh Public Works director and the administrative assistant to the director um the current uh director had resigned in November of 2024 um so we want to thank Ryo Halpin for all his dedicated work um the director position Still Remains vacant he does uh the director Ryan still does assist us for the projects uh on a part-time basis

002which is we appreciate um some of the increase in this budget is uh for the contractual obligation inspected salary requirements for this position page 59 highway department highway department has nine full-time employees um one of the areas here that keeps going up we spoke about this during uh the monthly budget the monthly budget reports is uh service contracts uh we have some speed signs we have some contracts on fire alarm systems and just general increases to cost um also there was a there's we're trying to do an attempt on some service contracts for overhead doors that's probably able to work on that again in uh next fiscal year um the one of the other areas that uh We've increased is 6501 Road materials um that was uh an increase of about $5,000 which is uh

003is a increase in cost of materials probably not as high as a gone up um but uh trying to make a reasonable increase there uh but uh those materials do those materials do continue to rise all across the board and that's one of the big uh areas that the that department works with also seeing um increases within equipment supplies um as well as when we when we uh make those type of purchases Tom can I ask one question before we go on sure uh for traffic signals um I know before we talked about that the last one we were responsible for was the one in front of Gilder sleeve school and the state was supposed to take that over have they not taken that over yet I think the the traffic signal in Gilder sleeve

004school we still are responsible for that they're not taking that over yeah page 61 so p61 has a mechanic and assistant mechanic um there's been some change in Personnel in this so probably some slight like where you would have seen a bump do the payroll it's kind of a sort of flattish uh slight increases in equipment uh repairs um what other lies kind of keeping keeping a flat here some overtime the guys have been working more overtime um working through some of the um some of the backup issues um as we were had uh you know people out as well as they also work on some of uh um during some the storms that work for us page 63 page 63 is always a challenging budget it's very uh uh the the director uh does

005a great job of managing this budget but it's uh there's a lot of um illary type projects that come in and out uh many time seems like the state lately has um uh requested a on uh Grant applications it's a lot more detailed kind of than it used to be it was it's a there's a lot of design requirements up front um and there's some complexities on those we try to we're trying to set some of those monies aside either through so we've seen them through supplemental Appropriations we do we also see them through um things like the sidewalks non-grant um Road materials that we set aside in capital but there's also quite a few um that are been coming through um that we've been utilizing either uh the we' using the miscellaneous line item

006uh for things associated there's a lot of upfront work on the uh grant that was associated with the riverfront access uh that that was uh much more challenging um I think anyone thought once uh we were able to obtain the Grant there was a lot of things that uh before they would even more or less allow the grant to continue uh were outside of the project there's been some things with the airline trail that we've uh worked on um and then there's been also some steep applications that have been worked on in a preliminary stage so a lot of uh uh early on Project work when the project is uh ready to roll and completed generally those move over into those Capital Areas that we talked about or if it's has its own fund it

007goes into its own fund but um and then there's just general engineering activity that's done uh for the planning department and or um the uh the public works department so uh a slight jump here uh in in this budget but this is one of those ones that we probably could keep you know increasing in time with the continuation of these these types of projects Street lighting um Street liting it remain pretty constant in the past so eversource continues to raise the distribution rates and also our contract for contracted rate expires in December so we have to go out and try to do uh to get that as well it's not the greatest time but that's when the contract expires um but we'll we'll keep working with our um vendors and our Consultants on that to

008try to get a good Supply rate and then it's the um the distribution uh to us you know that's where eversource kind of dictates those numbers and U it's been well documented throughout U this year within the the press and and every one of their rates had had jumped quite a bit so we had kind of uh saved on some of the LED lighting but in this one we're a little concerned of the continual cost distribution next page is 67 this is the grounds Department this is a Sal of full four full-time employees the 10% uh allocated of the full-time ground supervisor the board of AD covers um so you were seeing just salary increases that are contractual um slight increase in Equipment Repair and Rental just due to the cost of the repair on

009some of the Aged equipment um it really has been a it's it's really not not too much more than that a little bit increase on equipment purchases 37 is Town Building Maintenance Town Building Maintenance is made up of three full-time employees um we do see a continuation um if Service uh contracts continues to increase here in a lot of that relates to each back across uh the buildings um some of them we allocate to as many of the buildings as we can when those get excessive it comes back into this this budget um one of the things we always done is we always charge telephone uh to this budget uh we've had some success in the past with a longtime State uh contract that we had jumped on it's been a long time now that

010we were on that those contracts have seem to expired and not been uh renewed um as the state appears to have gone to different types of Technology um so that uh has been a challenge in the past year a lot of the numbers have fallen off Frontier and Comcast have come in with uh increase rates some almost they're very high the the rates aren't uh uh they're not really uh being very competitive with what they're doing it's uh surprising we continue to work with uh Frontier some of the ones we were able to uh drop some of their services um but the um you know those we're seeing some hits on those and we're seeing that we've seen that in in the budget this year so we'll uh keep on working on that um electricity

011um this is another one where're expected to see some increases again due to the cost of electricity and consal supplies continue uh to Rise um and so there's some of the the hits in this area so we've done well on some of these areas in the past um some of these areas are coming to uh head now where we're we continue to work with and review the contracts and pricing that we do get but uh of if there aren't State contracts uh it becomes very challenging uh page 71 snow removal um this is another uh budget that really is dependent on the year um I'm pretty sure this year we're going we are over I don't have that number with me but I know I saw that um definitely on the overtime and uh pretty

012close and uh so this is one of those ones that we could continue to increase uh with that um we're trying to just go up some some number here on the overtime percentage Road materials we definitely need you know went up uh the state contract for the salt did go up quite substantially last year uh we're not expecting it to you know go back down either so we've jumped it somewhat again trying to keep it within a 5% uh increase there but it's really basis of storms cost and how that contract comes in on the state contract but uh um that's what we're uh we're going with on this number right now all right so that's U really the general fund uh expenditures associated with the public works we'd hit all the other categories um

013there are some transfers associated with um so if you go to page 107 there's a transfer to the building maintenance fund of 82,000 we'll get into that there's a transfer into resource recovery for 2 28 496 was 107 um and then uh parks and wreck we have a transfer of 307 620 and then capital is the 18 83,000 for Town and Bard is 157,000 want to move into those other areas now okay so um sewer sewer um guess we can kind of go with the expenses first that's up about a 4. 36 that would be one 14 115 that would be uh it's up about uh 4.36% we um did leave Capital at the level that we had funded it before um there are there is no debt in this fund um we've left equipment

014purchases at the similar level um I'm kind of working my way backwards off of 115 here um electricity had gone up by you know we're expecting those increases in electricity um utilities slight increase in the municipal Insurance slight increase in the uh [Music] telephone then we going uh the service contracts I see the dip there from expense to um budget is in 24 we didn't do like the tving the cleaning that we normally do so there's normally like a 35 to 40,000 to 40 and at this in this budget it's like a for $45,000 number that's the tving for sections of um the uh the the system so they' had done a bunch of them years in a row and then that's something that should get pick back up probably again in fiscal 20 um

015six if not in 25 but that's why you'll see like the 20 75,000 and you see the difference and you're like why would you be going up we're going up for the anticipated expect expected cost increase I think we were floating around a 30 35 number before there you know there's a thought out there that it's possible in the 45 to 50 range now but U you we haven't bid that service in in a while so um that's the differential in that number there um going up the it's a more or less salaries and in benefits um there's a possibility of a change in Personnel there's possibility of not change of personal so we're kind of got a comingled option here assuming that there's possibility of a person may retire so some of those costs

016got for pension got transitioned to the general fund but just in case the salary line is kind of kept whole in case there is no change in Personnel so we uh we we'll we'll see as that comes forward um so that was a total of 4.3 uh 6% increase overall um the revenues um are a budget just more or less to we left user fees the same the user charges uh or what what does go up um so you know again this is another budget where there is a possibility of uh you know if we were to expend fully um there's a possibility that we would need to you know have a an increase in fees there as you see U we had strong collections we had uh you know had to put a lot

017of pressure on people that had not peed because of covid we were allowed to do that in 23 uh so we came back and got a lot of paybacks in 23 24 was a little um less uh because it was it was just the more or less getting back to the regular activity there um but as you can see if you compare that to what is budgeted that would be a challenge to get there without without a rate increase page one 17 um so in this budget we're um trying to uh expand the pay the payroll here we only have uh one two employees full-time we had budgeted for a part-time employee we did not hire that person in fiscal 25 as there was a requirement to add debt uh that was not necessarily expected

018to develop the well so in an effort to add the debt there was required debt payments in 25 that were not budgeted um so um I think that was the main reason as well as um fiscal 24 did not did did uh uh come back in a deficit position when when when uh the year came in so you'll see the activity that you're seeing there in the Personnel is more or less a full year person added in the jump in overtime is just that is assuming that you would have a full year person working overtime watermain brakes and and things of that nature that's not you know for the current uh team of people to be like oh well we can work ton of more overtime uh but that would be assuming um you know

019that there was a third person uh working um the um other areas that you see it increases in the MDC there was a the director had noted there was about a 3% increase in the rates 2.8% and then also there's a possibility of a 50% $50,000 uh increase when we do work on the uh rate negotiated contract I guess there's some amount where there's a potential where they would maybe require around $100,000 of an additional payin um on uh some unused uh monies right now um so that was uh where some of that increase was potential um not not the full amount but potentially um so uh we increased that to 875 in the page of um yeah there was an increase in the Water Supplies we see that the uh there's continual cost increases

020in supplies in the water department um whether it being um just the various items that are needed in in the daily uh the daily function of the system um we you'll also see here in 831 and 8302 that's your uh debt payment that's coming on so that would be the full year debt payment in 25 there's a lesser payment rate required um but uh in 26 this would be what the the full year debt payment looked like um and then also there's a clean water notes that we've had from before um we leave the 250 for the non uh recurring transfer out to the to the non-recurring there was an increase in the workers comp uh to the new person so going back on that there's a 12 12 uh% increase in the expenses um

021to come up with that if you look um there would definitely need to be either an increase within meter charges um which is more like a flat rate that we do per charge or there would be some need potentially of an increase in metered sales if and when that other employee is to be added um is I don't believe that you could generate that much uh Revenue uh uh from from where we're at right now I mean as you can see the past years the highest we got was 1081 you know and this would need this budget would need a 1.23 9 million of metor sales and again it's um I did we did a slight increase on the metor charge estimate assuming and then if uh there would have to be either either a

022metor sale increase or a metor charge increase but that number is a u is just making that number be what the number needs to be to equal the expenditure amount so none of this includes elest or Brer Place coming online so yeah there's a possibility there could be some you know potential Revenue stream stream from there y obviously um and that could be a positive item as well um I think some of that maybe some of the metor charge we were thinking was going to go for that but um yeah right there the the past history does not include it now the only issue would be is like if there was additional um expeditures which based on the the am amounts you wouldn't necessarily think there would be on the expense side for the at

023least for the water um we probably be able to meet the the taker pays that we would have if we had that additional usage um but yeah I don't believe that that would be in there at this point okay okay um all right so you um just to clarify I know that so there's that possibility I know that at least in the negotiating position right has indicated that they may want to start trying to charge for the reserve right basically monetize that Reserve that Reserve capacity so you've put some extra money in the budget to account for that if that were to come to fruition half of what the half of what was you know potentially and [Music] um and we're not counting any incremental because we haven't seen a history yet on what's going

024to happen with ELR so we don't know from that um yeah no I'm just clarifying because that's um those are twoo big I know we'll be looking at those those numbers and then I know that we had put some of the costs to do some of the pre-work on the from the well I can't remember when we passed that Bond request if we if we were looking at the fact that I know when we put the Six Million up that part of that was to include some of those costs as well are we able to reimburse it all or or basically offset any of those based on the bond that was approved the that came in were uh that was a transfer in from the general fund yeah the general fund money that came in

025to transferred in yeah so those likely will be paid by the general fund and then this is the this is the Deb that's been added through a debt deal with Webster Bank yeah and then uh once we get to the next phase if we were to get to the next phase um it would be the cost of the continuation definitely um and whether is a recruitment that's let yet to be seen it's maybe possible but probably unlikely on the general fund side okay and if you have the debt already out there you're not going to probably redet it it's the debt is reasonable yeah because I know we had talked about that if you remember right because we the well was going to be 1.2 million and we knew we were going to have to

026sort of um incur a certain amount of debt to cover that in front that but when we put the $6 million bond out the $6 million Bond included that 1.2 so that was part of the thinking is that we in the short term would have to to do something and then in the longer term it would end up as part of the bond but we'll have to look at the mechanics of that I'm just trying I'm just trying to figure out how we can manage some of the offset so that we we're going to have sort of a short-term problem you know in terms of with the budget as we have some of this work going on um we have the short-term problem and then obviously the the cost the cost model once we have

027the well online dramatically shifts right in the favor of the rate pay right things should get less expensive so trying to see what we can do in terms of not jacking the rates up just to have to lower them again we'll talk about the mechanics of all that but yeah I mean I see what you're saying I just think that that it needs to be at least reviewed you know by the Water Commission and and just to determine that that um you know that if there is an ability um again if you wanted to go full Bard in with with hiring a person right now fall in and also do the water deals that may need to go in the short term you know what I mean I think it would be you know would'

028be we also want to see what's coming in from the these outsourc sources um that are different users different users so hopefully that'll generate revenues that we did or didn't expect in uh but uh you wouldn't want to go too long with uh without doing something on some of the rates if [Music] um uh you know you want to want to continue to build the deficit position and then having to try to go and and get additional debt you know bonding and and debt because it doesn't paint the picture that you'd like to paint for the fund oh AB no absolutely I know I remember we worked we worked very hard from getting that that debt down from near a million dollars down to 880,000 and then it bumped back up again which was you

029know bumped back up about 50,000 I think 54 or whatever which was a little painful to see but I got you okay thanks Tom okay page 122 is the Town lead Road fund they give us uh Monies to do Paving to the town a roads um obviously we saw a lot of that impact of that work done uh during the this fiscal year and some of last fiscal year but there's definitely uh you know some of the improvements to High Street and um you know the other streets Ryan that you didone Freestone street perrywood andry so you saw a lot of improvements there and some of them were funded by uh Toy Road some were funded by a municipal Revenue sharing Grant that's similar to toy road that we fund out 84 someone was found

030funded by transfers and supplemental appropriation from capital A lot of different sources going on but in an effort to get a lot of uh a lot of repairs and a lot of Paving done um and uh you know that was some real nice improvements to to the town um page 127 is a resource Recovery Fund um so we've uh made some adjustments on the revenues uh U to bring them more in line uh one of the things we noted is in the bulky waste uh we got to work toward getting some better containers with some better covers um it seems like we we could we bring in bulky waste but then by the time we trans ported out it becomes almost as heavy as when it came across the scale initially as we go out

031because of water weight and uh and those type of factors so um we'll work um toward getting some funding for that um to do that so uh uh we'll work toward that but that's not in this budget but that that would hopefully improve either the revenue s a little bit as well as hopefully improve the outlay more uh because we see the revenue come in but then we see the outlay being almost too high and it seems like U right now it's being thought you know thought to be attributable to um what is going out is heavier than what comes in due to sitting with maybe out the best covering uh that we have so they're going to work toward that um goal uh the transfer was more or less uh flattish in this one

032so that's uh decent um there was change in Personnel some of the one of the longer ter term employees that went to the highway division um so there's a little bit of savings in in the salary and a little bit of savings in medical based on what way they take their uh you know just based on the type of insurance that they take um the other area where we increased was definitely in um the uh service contracts which that's one of those ones it's like a watch for the future uh that's one one of the major major pieces of that is the like the grinding of the brush um so that's a item that we continually bid uh but uh um that's one of the ones that you know it just depends on the pile

033and the year and the the vendors and and what they uh they come back with but uh we're going up about 4,000 on that that could uh swing in different ways based on if you really need to do double double the amount or if that pile becomes too big or if vendors change it could be substantially higher um so we're going to watch that uh bags and stickers uh did increase that slightly what we see here is the on the bags the cost of the bags are high at one point U the director was trying to get to a level to being able to get to a dollar value that could uh bid with another vendor um that that was uh we couldn't really get to that number um so um hopefully we won't have

034to spend that number uh but we put put it in there just in case uh there is a need and or if we're trying to build to that number that would uh be uh able to bid at a different threshold uh right now we normally use a vendor called waste zero kind of came up with a whole pay to throw system that's when the vendor that uh more or that cre does that and the see um and uh that's kind know where we're at with that um Municipal mssw and bulky waste the rate we still have the current rate until 7 of 26 but as you see there like you see you see an expense of 47 out then you have 53 coming in on the bulky waste it's we think that that there's a

035heavy because we don't have necessarily the proper covering it's it's costing us money U sending that out uh fund uh page 130 is the building maintenance fund this is a fund between that's shared between the town and the board uh we put in 41,000 each year uh and um things that are not in capital that are larger uh defer there can be deferred maintenance maintenance costs um things that maybe have flow through where you're getting an insurance reimbursement or um just various things that are larger usually goes into these uh accounts um they uh they're very it's very valuable fund to have um and very valuable to uh you know have money in that fund page 132 uh we're going to the parks and wreck division um so here there there's been an increase uh

036in the transfer in this line item um this one's since Co there' have been a challenge to try to bring back the revenues to the levels uh one of the main areas that you see where there's a challenge is in the summer playground fees that one is is really hard to get get to that number um then there's also um we it seems to be creeping in some of the area other areas getting getting up uh getting some better revenues but um that the the the program fees is is a challenge and there also the continuation of the increase in minimum wage um is is hard it's a you know it keeps getting stepped up um every every this seems like every in December uh based on an inflationary Factor um so that that's a

037challenge because there's very there's various steps of um employees in this group and and uh every time it seems like it changes the minimum wage like three of the levels drop out and then you have to bump them up so it's a continual bumping of the categories because the rate keeps changing um so uh to try to generate some of these revenues uh definitely need to see some the increases in the teen Recreation payroll um so you see those type of increases uh the regular payroll is made up of the director the clerical payroll is made up of the assistant uh temporary payroll is made up of the workers for the kids blast program overtime our custodians that come in more or less that work that be overtime for the schools so when they run

038projects um that where the schools are involved the overtime for those custodians uh gets charged that that to this uh fund to this line item if it's for a something that's a Town Event that's not parking wreck then it gets charged into the o10 budget um the rest is just uh benefits for the Personnel above uh contractual Services is more or less their software that they have equipment rental a lot of that is related to the various porta potties and such they have to rent throughout the year utilities are for the various utility sites that they have it can fluctuate based on water and sew is depending on the splash pad and or how many events are at the various uh locations how much irrigation is getting used at the parks R 17 Park all

039these various factors can play in um and then the the remainder of the expenses are just expenses that are there for uh to either run the programs or to make purchases of of equipment purchases that need to run the program and or the signage that they're putting up for um the uh the uh some of the advertisings they put up there all right so next Pages [Music] 135 so um the capital plan has a so the current year we have about 1 point 1, 696,000 $516 of uh of capital expenditures um uh 970 of those are funded by the general fund um of which uh 157 are related to the board ofad B ofad is asking for that vehicle that's supposed to be a costs saer um for transporting children um so so far that's

040been a cough saver on the other two that they've acquired um would assume that this one would be um a good decision toh save on Transportation costs as well as um you know get them while they the vehicles while they're available um HVAC numerous HVAC issues uh that that arise um and uh this is $115,000 for those on the town side it's 83,000 is the number um so we have building and planning department uh there's a transportation plan Eda um I guess there's this adaa plan that potentially going to be required soon um and it may be required when we try to go get grants um so it's one of those ones that it's kind of um better that we need to get ahead of this um if we're I we may already be be

041behind it but uh to uh to at least meet the goal and the objective obviously we want to be able to continue to win grants it's an important part of our capital structure and Improvement structure in the town so um the the uh building department and the can work on the planning department can work on that over hopefully the next year or so uh fire department uh needs a money for a Hearst tool replacement um theyve continue to come and spoke spoke to us about communication issues and upgrading to the newer band radios um so this uh is a portion of it there's a portion that will utilize some of the monies that are in the uh cell tower um amount uh and then there's the additional here that'll be needed uh to fund uh

042additional items here um they have requested 5,000 for an AED defibrillator um the grounds maintenance uh Department they've requested uh a uh F550 it's a main line uh truck with a plow um the current ones one of their current uh trucks um which may or may not be a 550 but one of their current trucks is about to have to come offline um so they wanted to replace that with this vehicle and then roll the other vehicle down to the one that's going to get need to come uh you know be uh replaced um so that they're replacing it with a the vehicle of one of the ones that they need to use to the plowing um the proper vehicle in uh that's new and replace the older one that's uh failing with one of

043the older vehicles that are still usable uh Library Public copier um years and years ago we bought a copier for um the library it's uh it's for the public they use it the money is I think they come from the proceeds go into fund 82 uh so it's generates some funds for the library um we it's it's well outlasted it's useful life it's got to be close to 10 years old I think so this is uh just the upgraded version of of that machine and uh and gets us to hopefully a functional machine now for another long while Police Department we haven't purchased uh Cruisers in in a while now so the Cruisers we do with a police SUV we equip it with a computer we equip it with all the lights and all that

044kind of stuff um roughly equipped car be around 60,500 um and that's so we have two of them here uh in this number uh the traffic cameras we set aside monies last year for the traffic cameras to get installed um when the pricing came in uh there wasn't enough money for that uh system so we're trying to put that aside their additional 12,000 that's needed to get those up and running uh police procedures police accountability act uh the policies and uh procedures uh the the accountability act continues to be um you know a requirements continue to be uh out there um we're trying to set some monies aside where if there needs to be a Consultants hire to develop policies and procedures uh there is there will be money there available to do such to

045move that uh process forward um uh for the police department uh computer replacement U some of the laptops uh have an older version uh operating system um so we need to get some of those operating systems are are phasing out where they don't have protection any longer so we need to uh replace um some more so that would be uh four of the more or less the tough book laptops uh are in that uh that number uh Building Maintenance HVAC just a lot of HVAC uh um throughout the town um in the town hall the wall units hit around somewhere they can rain in four to 6,000 depending on the size and buck foran building they're usually probably in around 6 to 7500 installed so uh for their units so just a you know they're

046they're expensive um they some of them are getting aged and uh we just try to set some money aside for some of the bigger ones um try to do as many we could do in operating but we can't when there's those larger U ones that sit in the various buildings there we we try to set some money aside for that uh the fire system upgrades this is more or less associated in the town uh clerk office there is some uh improvements that should be made to the sprinkler heads um and that's monies that we are looking to set aside to make those improvements uh Panic alarm systems um at the at the Town Hall we do have some Panic alarms in good conditions and some of the other locations uh we don't necess have the

047box setup in those um so there's a some employees have made some requests of that um Our IT department has looked into those requests and um you know has come up with some of this These funds that may be needed to get those those systems that uh you know at least implemented at least if if not two if one if not two um and then that's uh they continue to work through those uh for at least a couple of our buildings um so we have the coverage of the Town Hall other ones slightly maybe not you may or may not all right DPW Highway excavator attachments we put money aside last year for this um we uh we did not put enough in um we were hoping to take money from another project finish it

048move it in the other project didn't complete it because that needed more money so in this instance here we're asking for more money than the excavator job and then that's similar in the replace dump body um so the dump body was coming in higher than expected uh through our quote through the quotes before even going out to bed um so we needed to put some more funds in there uh DBW Highway uh sidewalk reconstruction um this is really uh money's for um it's the development or the uh it can be used for really anything related to sidewalks that are not in the grant portion a lot of this the grants as I was saying the the design The Upfront money you know they give it might give you $600,000 to do the the actual sidewalk

049but then they go oh by the way you have to design it so this is putting money aside generally for um the design of these type of projects and or um U you know if there's an overage of a project or if there's just a direct short small need of something that's needs a sidewalk replac um that's what that funding would be for um we went over the dump body townwide computers um the townway computers we continue to upgrade servers computers throughout the town through all the various departments um and also in uh there's a cycle which we ear at that for this year where there's a backup appliances that are required that's in that year there's a big ask uh that's usually in a every fouryear window and I think that uh that in

050our Capital plan uh there's a lot a number that you'll see that year that's the year that those would be expiring uh the revaluation this is a reevaluation year coming up we did have some money set aside from doing it uh properly uh Through The Years um and this is just my estimate of what we should well put in play um to make sure that we get through it get through any of the um legal uh ramifications that come um after the completing of the project uh phone system Replacements uh town this is uh likely going to be um likely probably going to be at the high school medic school complex but there's we uh kind of somehow magically cover the uh phone systems for um everyone here on the town side um we had

051increased it we did uh the towns the towns I can't believe it but I think it was close to like nine years ago and and that that year the high school middle school complex was the only part of it it wasn't done and that was over older so um the whole system unfortunately is aged out they're all aged out so this is the initial ask this is the initial ask to get uh the project going hopefully at the high school middle school complex see how that uh goes out and goes through and then there's um in the sub years there will be uh at the town in other Town buildings because and it just it wasn't uh it's doesn't appear to be anywhere near the pricing that we once had um that contractor is more

052or less retired but it's just it's a just different technology now and so the initial system appears to be more expensive it's also been 10 or 12 years so it's definitely inreased uh townwide security cameras fire alarm system um kind of put that in as a catchall title but it's really in this one it's really sort of like cameras or any U security issues I there's a few things that this could be definitely B there's Town Hall has um you know has some areas where there would be preferred to have cameras that that they aren't there um the system that we do have is potentially aging so we want to maybe look at that to see there are also requirements that we have to look at which we may have to fund out operations depending

053on timing but um to look at for the uh over the election box there's a requirement where we have cameras over the election box in an appropriate Manner and store it the one the system we have now doesn't store it long enough for what they want so um so that's why uh those uh funds have been set aside it's been a request for numerous years from um various either select man Nam or the department heads so I try to to fun that um put in 96,000 516 for uh losp uh this uh We've we're trying to work on the Brownstone or this is this is this is Buck foran we're trying to work on the buck foran uh Improvement um with thought we had a b system through one of our processes EAS QC seems

054like maybe maybe not that didn't really want to do that work possibly so looking at it through a different uh style vendor or more geared toward um this type of H work um through I think it was the state labor trade labor contracts and uh when we do that the um dollar values were a little higher than we had uh anticipated so we're trying to uh get uh at least have the funding in place the the biggest issue that occurs with um bip is they've changed the methodology now they used to be you'd go in you'd ask for it so we do have some of that money left over we have to go ask and get them to approve that so we're working towards someone getting those projects but they've now then kind of change

055it where they give you an allotment but that allotment doesn't come available till like March or April they give you the money right around there and then you got to run the project but you still have to follow all the rules uh that where they required you to get coverage before um so uh we're trying to work through the change in the way it was done to the change of the new way to getting some of these projects completed or moved forward so uh making sure there there are numerous masonary improvements that the PO stretcher has identified so um but that this would be the place to let's put the money in for this cycle go in there where we can get some of these projects completed uh with some of the money that we

056had already had as well and then parking improvements I think this was um you know these are monies that uh they put aside where the Andy Andy Deon and his crew try to run specific projects to uh you know you know improve the the parks the next few pages are just showing the actual flow of these transactions the ones the areas that I didn't uh touch upon um were um the u p 141 and that was the sewer department and the water department and uh that would be uh so we put I said to you we put 380,000 in of the sewer money so you saw that in the sewer come out 360,000 of that will go into plant and system improvements 20,000 will keep going to working toward having a ska system for the

057sewer um then jumping down for the uh water we have 90,000 going into facility and system upgrades uh 10,000 on the storage tank so we already have some money set aside um trying to set more as we think that it's possible we didn't have enough um galvanized lines trying to start putting some money aside for that that could in and will likely be a substantial uh requirement um that one if you need more information you know would you want to talk about that right yeah so we have him come up in a minute on that replace Mainline valves $220,000 those are usually we have a consult a contractor come in and do that with our team and usually it's you know gets you maybe one or two based on that dollar value uh remote read

058readers we continue to um uh change out our reading um The Meters themselves and then uh the reservoir Dam put some more money into that that's definitely those improvements are required it's been a challenge to get uh people to bid on that um there been some issues with the timing of when how high the water levels are and whether things to be pumped out to see some of the repairs so that one um that was what we were trying to work on that with again using the trade labor agreement and so far that hasn't worked out so great um so I know the director is working on that with what I think needs to get some more funds in hand then um you know just uh 5,000 for replacement of fire iens Tom do you

059know what our balance is for the dam repairs if we add this to it [Music] okay I'll wait for you to come up thanks Tom right how are you guys still hanging around so um your most recent question for balance on the dam repairs we have 61 383 right now and we'd be putting in 45 so it' be roughly 105 383 and the quote we got last year I did have um Hemlock construction uh quote up repairs down there um the issue becomes you want to hit this in the summer when it's dry and you got to pump out there's a um like a settling Basin at the bottom of the spillway that slows the water down before it goes down the brook and you got to pump that out to inspect all the joints

060and that's your access to the spillway to hammer you know the joints and make sure everything is sound um and you got to set up like a diversion a siphon with all the reservoir to keep the water flowing so you don't end up getting flooded out while you got all your ladders and Scaffolding set up to do the inspection work um so you got to pump down the reservoir either by opening a hydrant or setting up a big pump similar to like the one that was at Job's Pond so you're pumping out a lot of water and then set up the siphon keep it keep it going do the inspection then we had a guess as to how many linear feet F feet of joint work and we didn't want to underestimate so we put

061a decent number to it was like 150 ft of joint and then some uh some concrete repairs if there was any spalled areas or anything anywhere on sound they could chip it out and patch that up and it was somewhere in the ballpark of 100 Grand just to just to get that going and we only had you know 60 something um so it was just a little more work to just inspect and figure out what we need to do there so we weren't able to move forward and hopefully with this we can you know we'll have to reach out to other vendors too and see um see who else you know any any other masonry kind of companies that can that can set up for this kind of work see if see if we get

062some cools so this would put us at the minimum without finding anything worse yeah yeah visually it looks pretty good out there but without pumping out that that base and you don't really know what's at the bottom there we know there's there are large rocks and whatnot we did some clearing over there um so you could look into the water and you see there's debris in there and stuff at the bottom just from probably overflow over the [Music] spillway what was the other one uh we were going to talk about galvanized service lines yeah so um in November of 24 um we completed a inventory list for lead service lines um we don't have any actual lead service lines but what we did use in town were lead Goose necks connected to galvanized service lines

063and the way the EPA um categorizes that is basically that's a lead service line because of the corrosion on the lead goose neck and then the galvanizing Downstream basically would build up like a lead corrosion in the pipe over a long period of time Portland has been working on getting a rid of these lines since World War II there were you know over a thousand of them we're down to about 120 is what I counted it may be less when we go and actually dig some of these up they might be replaced but um going by what we had on on our records that's the rough number to start with so the 55,000 we're hoping we could start tackling some of the ones on Main Street with that funding we already did um two this

064past winter one at 285 the other one at 540 um so yeah we'll keep trying and they're about 10,000 each and that's just peace mealing it so maybe if we do you know like a $50,000 package maybe we get like six or seven instead of five you know the more you give give a contractor the more you can get back from it um so we'll see at it's a start it at least gets us going and then hopefully the town Crews can start tackling some of the ones on the town roads and uh start chipping away at it what's the town cost for us to do it like side Ro the material is probably about two grand and then you know our town labor costs so I mean it's already getting paid for I was

065going to say the Labor's already paid for up it's not overtime yeah so could be higher if we're going through like sidewalks and things like that and having to replace curbs and sidewalks yeah so probably between like two and four grand I would so this would be a fully replacement from the water to the meter in the house no it would be up to the curve box okay so it be a whole new valve and everything at the curb box reconnect and then the way the the regulations are set up you know the homeowner owns the remainder the remaining portion um they would have to get notified if we do see when we dig it up and connect to it and if it's still galvanized we would have to notify them that it's still there

066okay but then that's their responsib ility from there on yeah because um technically without without permission we really can't go work on private property unless it's some kind of emergency um so that's just not not a normal thing to to go dig up someone's yard well Ryan I know you said that we're looking at you know maybe a $50,000 package you'll get us six or seven of these on state right on the state roads right where we need to go with a contractor um how many of these do we have on state roads that we have to worry about so um Main Street has about 60 and marbor has about between five and 10 so 65 70 so at that pace that would put us you know on like an 11year Pace um yeah so

067we'll have to do more in the in the coming years and that's kind of where I was going I think that from what I've been hearing um do wants to do work on Main Street so if we want to be able to dig it up and do what we need to do with these we might have to get figure out how we can do them a little bit more aggressively so we're not you know we don't want do to go and repave or or if they know this is outstanding they won't repave no they they they won't but at the same time I also don't know if they'll be too thrilled with waiting yeah right 10 years so yeah we were hoping um we could get this done in like four years on Main Street

068but um we would need probably to to up this number and and with the revenues and and everything going on with water right now it's uh we're we're scratching you know we can't really subtract out of a lot of these line items the dam repairs there's they're all they're all critical the facility repairs the upgrades um we still have projects coming in for for High Street one project at least for this year that's out to bid right now and then uh potentially another Grant coming in to continue down High Street towards William Street and possibly further um so if those projects overrun you you you need you need a balance when you got big projects like that going on six 600 the other one's 1.2 million you're going to need that contingency too tell how

069important it is for us to get a cost monoch change yeah anything else while uh any other questions while he's up there oh we saw that in uh for the library that there was no mention in like future capital for roof replacement is that anywhere on your radar because I thought people have talked before about uh leaks in the Library roof yeah so there has been some leaks you could go into the library up up in the up in the front you look up to the up to the right you'll see like four or five different stains um right around the corner by the bathrooms there's a stain there um Building Maintenance crew has done a pretty good job patching up the roof um for what joints we think were we leaking um but the

070the asphalt roof and this roof was put in in like 2011 um it should be in good shape but I guess the exposure to the sun and the elements possibly um there's some cracking that's visible when you walk around up there um so it is unfortunate and roof Replacements there are future line items in the building maintenance Capital you'll see there's like a 100,000 for next year the year after that 5050 what page is that um this would be on page 140 um we'll see when the when the town hall roof gets done I mean there there's I think there's a balance in that line item but the town hall is being worked on right now um maybe there's going to be some kind of small balance and maybe we can hire someone to at

071least you know go patch the roof up in in any trouble spots um would be what I recommend right now well especially if the the roof's only 14 years old yeah that's yeah that's like half of what you would expect yeah so there was a 10year warranty on the roof um and most of these issues showed up right after that uh I had reached out in 23 or 24 to the vendor um just to you know point it out to him and say hey like why is this thing falling apart you know two years out of warranty um he basically just stopped responding to me so won't use them again at least if anyone remembers not to not to use them which I gota just uh relay that [Music] anybody else why you can hang

072just a little bit see if anyone else comes if have a question or not yeah no problem great thank you very much I do know Mike just that John did join so oh we did oh good yes we had a little little little challenge getting on but he was he's on there you go Sharon did you get that that John Dylan what did join no no he's been on for quite a while but didn't want to interrupt the flow with the okay I can ask one quick question too for Ryan uh with the the road Aid fund do we plan on most of that going towards Paving or chip sealing this year um come up here it's it's to be determined but i' I'm just ask I've been asked by a few people because I

073know we haven't done chip sealing a lot in the past few years because we've been Paving so many roads yeah so we actually did Chip sealing and Paving last year we did Chip seal a lot of Roads including most of Bartlett Street um and then a whole bunch of side roads you know up in the Edgewood neighborhood that whole neighborhood was done I think Bell Court right down Main Street I think we did both sides of Main Street actually um and then we did a decent amount of Paving last year but um it is in discussion um you know Mike and myself have been talking about you know what what should be the priority this year and I I think we're leaning towards there's issues with the chip seal cont contract the state contract that's

074usually used and um they didn't renew the kog contract that we used last year to hire them so with those issues and with you know the priority probably being to to move to pave a lot of these roads instead of continuing to chip seal in roads that are riding really rough um we probably want to do some milling and Paving possibly exploring the option of hiring someone to Mill and maybe Town crew doing some Paving depending how big of a project it is and how many other things are going on but um we're looking into both is really did you have a like a road specific in mind or no it's just you know I think with people with us Paving William Street and High Street and freeston paved those are you know main roads

075for people to drive on all the time where all the neighborhoods you mentioned are off of Main Street so most people didn't see that any chip sealing got done because they don't drive through Side neighborhoods oh yeah yep so that was aw yeah the only main road was Bartlett from Maine to um to the intersection of 17 got done all right thank you y thank you thanks l all right so we did most of the things I will go over uh I'll go back on page five and just go over some of the U the revenue lines just to budet P so the top parts are taxation lines um the uh educational cost sharing that went up based upon the estimates from the state um that's again if the state changes that it will change

076but that's what that that is similar with the tiered uh property tiered that's estimate from the state P moan estimate from the state um the other the disabled uh tax relief is more like a guesstimate from what Rich gives me for information Emergency Management is our Bea um that's the grant that's kind of the offset to um Emergency Management uh guess 024 budget there's some monies that come in on that uh veterans exemption is a is a ballpark estimate Municipal transition grant that was what the state told us that was that should be more less from uh car taxes um they were making or not car tax but municipal uh spending cap tax um other state monies are monies that come in through um like the it's a dial ride uh project more or less

077interest is a tricky one that's the one we're estimating on we're using um assuming maybe around a 3% return um we also there's less there should in theory be less money as as we're spending down the arpa money so for few years there you know we had a nice little bit of money there that had come in and we were able to generate revenues um from that money um but is some of these projects are getting done and some of the um you know when the fire truck comes in and things like that we'll got to pay pay those monies out and they won't be replenished um so that'll be little dropped as well in there um so that's kind of what we're going on that number um the Housing Authority how the pays a

078pilot to us U the pilot telecommunications is usually what uh well what Frontier pays us um for their property that one just recently came out uh I think maybe last week or so an email so I'll have to double check that to see hopefully we're in the same we're in the range um property rental is more or less a made up of um The Brownstone Exploration Park payments the amount we get from oakill uh the amount we're expected to get on that the lease of of the parking space next to the um I guess near the sewer plant there um and um and then also uh monies that we get for the rental out of the schools uh so those are that's kind of what the property rental number is for um um you know

079when you jump into 312s that's your you know your areas for your town clerk conveyance Vital Statistics recording Ming this town clerk um 324 this is a police private duty number so we have a correspondingly revenue number we have a corresponding expense number in their budget uh structural permits 327 328 this one you will see drop back down again um before um the two the few D two big projects that have recently come in um you know we were even under this 225 number uh for a while so we're we're optimistically hoping that we're going to hit this 225 number but we'll have to see as some of these other U you know the brainer uh fees have already come in and the um and then some of the other uh the bigger projects fees

080have come in so this is what we were told uh from our building department to expect um so we uh we put those uh down there um the miscellaneous number that's kind of we sometimes we get monies from um kerma uh when they do a they they if they have a good year they'll get money back to us um so we gener try to estimate maybe roughly $20,000 of that inste of any missling revenues that we might get so just want to you know touch on those um I give you an update of where where those are coming from otherwise I think we've gone through everything any questions for Tom after two days of this thank you as always yeah we really appreciate all the help a lot of work went into this we start

081deliberations and you guys you guys get to people listen there you go job all right thank you all thank you Tom thank you very much Tom we really appreciate it so is that yeah I don't think so either um so before we get to closing up the meeting I see a number of department heads here um and selan if you have any questions specifically for the heads there in in the budget book now i' like to try to get it done tonight if you can I feel pretty comfortable with the answers we've had so far um but that way tomorrow night um instead of continuing this we can get to our regular meeting we have a lot to discuss as well but if Ione could kind of take a couple minutes take a look and

082see if there's any questions and uh if you need answers from any this ladies and gentlemen here we can go from there yeah I'll start with just a couple questions by the way thanks thanks everyone for your patience watching all this process go through um so two questions for you um if you can um tell me some of the head WS you've had I know Tom's talked about those in terms of coming back and what are some of the opportunities in terms of additional programs I know you've had other programs that have been bigger that can uh jack up the revenue sure I think um one of the positive things I want to highlight is the kids last after school program what page um what page Parks Ro that would be so as Tom mentioned

083we've been having trouble since Co kind of getting uh registration numbers back up bringing in Revenue um kids blast uh two years ago was negative last year last fiscal year was positive a th000 right now you know at the fiscal year ended today we be positive just about 19,000 of course that's not accounting for expenses so with my estimates here I think we' be positive about $112,000 by the end of April like I said we were positive just 1,000 last fiscal year before that we were negative um also with our 5K um we doubled not Revenue we doubled net profit in that in this current fiscal year from about 2,000 to 4,000 um a lot of the great things are going on I think in Parkson W um youth programs right now is up 20,000

084um and that's not including any of the money we're going to see from CT flag their season starting soon we have a partnership with them similar to Skyhawks where essentially we have a contract they independent contract cont ractor with us and we get a portion of their their revenue um so you know it's been kind of a long road uh postco but I think we're in great shape honestly um I'm happy to answer any specific questions as well that you might have um I know I may have asked this before as why I know uh unified supports used to be under Parks went to the schools is that a program that you think would make sense bringing back or is that something that not quite sure I I talked to the old director Sean DWI

085about it he mentioned that it got shifted to the board of V just because all the great volunteers he had um when the program initially started weren't available I talked to Sarah from the board of V about it recently too she mentioned that Matt Fox over at Biz is doing a great job with um Unified sports with that age group and um you know townwide not like you know Town versus bard of Ed it's like globally for the whole town I think she thought maybe Transportation getting kids from B view or Gilder sleeve down to Biz would be the best scenario I don't know if Park can help with that necessarily but she did mention that Matt fox is doing a great job at Biz with what he has for that those five you know

086fifth and sixth graders it's it's possible I know we one of the main challenges that we have is the payroll for the teen W payroll which is the Summer Camp staff and other things like that it's I don't necessarily know if we're going to have money to pay folks to run a different program out of that line item anything else very good thank you thank you it's great any questions to the library left I a question for mik you want to text sah I have a question for yeah tell you running there [Music] deliberation M have a question which Michael have another one you just assume it's you there's one sitting behind you it's me he's looking at me yeah um I think we had three storms that required your folks to get out there

087and plow and all that what would what would be your estimate of the cost of those three storms in material material and labor for that I believe two of them hit over the weekend who were it was a Sunday and a Monday Ryan would have the figures for labor one was a holiday one was a holiday yeah Monday so it's all double time okay Ryan's got the the labor LS yeah just for the three storms we had um it was probably about 150 ton treated salt at 70 74 in change I think it is 72 or 74 got it and then overtime people cost another 20 grand 30 grand yeah ran those numbers how are we for a stock pile right now for we got a half a sh about 700 tons we could do

088more and we don't have much of this year's budget left no okay due to the ice M but last year we had a full shed before we started so we got a half a shed is said enough to go into a new season yes so the half shed you have now is from last year or did you get did you get salt in yes 900 ton okay and 3,000 gallons of liquid that we spray the salt with how the P hes look this year not bad last year was terrible yeah we're uh we're on it again today do four ton of day so we have a list as soon as they come in we try to hit him as he they come in but we're ready for up snow wise right thank [Music] you oh

089well either one of you how how close or how fast would we get the excavator attachment and dump body the excavator attachment um should be pretty quick I think the dump body um probably is two or three months I would say would be a a safe estimate be ready for the winter season yeah okay yeah as long as we hit the ground running which we should um we got the the bid documents all set up uh if we want to go that route um yeah the only other route would would be to wave it but um wave the bid but that's that's probably to be determined okay you know how much of a rush we're in to get that done um I do have some of the figures on the snow removal I don't know

090if um if anyone's looked through the numbers in the system but at the beginning of uh so February 1 when I was doing the budget I printed out the the um the report on that account and we still had $42,000 available um and then March 16th so the other day we're negative 28,000 so February overall um was a lot of money just uh because it was all Sundays and holid yeah yeah and there was you know in between the big snowstorms there was Ice events and freezing temperatures at night thawing during the day so you always got to bring someone in to to Salt the roads when you got things like that happening and everything as everyone knows it was it was an ice block for like a month yeah so didn't go away good

091thank you got a question for Sarah Sarah just when you thought you were out as soon as you walked out as soon as you walk out um my question is about the van driver stien um are we turning anyone away or could we would we be able to schedule more rides um yes we're turning people away every day we fill up a lot there's a huge need um I know are we turning them away because they're busy or we're turning them away because we're running out of money we're turning them away because we're running out of money there's not um enough funds in the budget same drivers all right so we're doing approximately 12 sometimes a few more a week if they're you know cases where they're an emergency or someone really needs to get

092in and then we'll juggle the schedule for the following so we stick on 12 a week okay what and I won't hold you to it but what would you like to see as a number like a percentage increase um an overall number I would say percentage wise I'm not quite sure um I wasn't prepared to answer that question but I could get back to you with that but yeah because we have next week is deliberations so that's just one of the things I was looking at because there's not a lot that we offer to the seniors besides the senior center and the rides that we give them for the ones that can't drive any right right and it's only increasing the amount of people that need those rides and they are all medical rides that

093doesn't include any um social peace or you know going and picking up anybody who's homebound that can't get to the senior center that would be a nice option in the future so I can put some numbers together for you and include that if you're interested or okay I'm not sure if you're just wondering about medical rides only I'd like to hear about all of great okay I can put something we got okay thank you you're welcome I agree with you too if there's more need there that we can do it yeah it's money worth spent so thank you any other questions how was it how's the kitchen working out wonderful full use great y is that Nate back there just quick question for it see what that would be just just a general question under

094Route 17 part I've been asked a couple times over the last year how much how much extra work would that take for you guys to handle that Park what was the additional cost time effort um to fit into your schedule that's a loaded question because we all touch on it at different times we have our big the 5910 the Toro that mowes athletic fields and general lawn that's there twice a week mowing for about two hours each time um then he'll go in another time at a different height of cut to mow the majority of the general lawn that's probably an hour and a half um four of us can go in there and Trim in what he doesn't get blow everything off and that's about an hour and a half two hours depends how

095wet it is we usually have to go first thing in the morning you're on a you don't want to wake people up but you also want to get there before it's crazy and there's little kids everywhere the splash pad when that's open I'm there once or twice a day just kind of making sure things are going irrigation I'm there every single morning because that irrigation system is extremely finicky it's been finicky since day one um so I'm there every morning it could be two o'clock in the morning it could be 4:00 in the morning so we don't generally run it on the weekends because I do like to sleep in um you know I mean manh hours you're probably looking at with everything that goes on plus the athletic fields being painted the athletic fields

096being dragged a few times a week 20 hours a week 20 24 hours a week you know I mean you also have the rough cut which we've kind of gotten down we do it once a year because of trying to promote the pollinators um yeah it it's a lot there's someone there for a substantial amount of time every single day so but it's worth it because that Park is the most utilized Park in this town it's wonderful I I can't say enough about it it's interesting to not that many of the people that didn't really like the Parker are there the most so I like that it's strong and and and I really ask that not as much to to pin you down to a number but it seems like you've been able to do

097that with the crew that you have and still be able to maintain the rest of what we do it's just park looks great it's being used a great deal I just didn't know how much effort it took it's we were very lucky that you guys gave us a fourth on the town side full-time employee we had had taken over the park for a couple of years so everything's new everything's much easier to take care of you've got the Rhythm now you're into it a few years and things just you know they require more maintenance and it just everything Perfect Storm you know we've got an extra person that can help out and you're you know you're trying to try just different things add things you know it it's worked out so I mean it hats

098off to the way the town Managed IT to help me with with the crew to appreciates all the work that you guys do out there thank you right thank you thank you um I did have one question about um firetruck the one that's on order when it should be in so I know it's been delayed um I don't know if that affects the budget in terms of have we prepaid for everything what's the situation on when the truck will be in okay was you told the chairman ofus yeah uh obviously you guys all know me Ray a fire marshall but uh I help out with the apparatus committee stuff so uh I spoke with our salesman a couple weeks ago and trying to get an idea when we could be getting the truck we were

099told it would probably be between April and August and uh he told me that we weren't going to probably see it till the winter so um I with that obviously I advised the committee the captain the chief and um told them that what we're looking at it's probably the worst case in the era to get a new truck to train on right in the winter so um I crafted a polite email to him to forward to the company um to see where this gets us um because I was concerned about number one it was being stored outside now have you that the truck so with this being said this is not a single service or single Source manufacturer so the cabin chassis are built by one uh manufacturer who's probably one of the leaders in

100in the industry and then it goes to the manufacturer who's going to put the body together and then mount it and equip the rest of the stuff so um it's been there since December so we had pictures of that and then I questioned if it was still outside and I was sent the pictures a week ago showing that it was inside at least um for the picture what's that for the picture for the picture yeah so uh but anyway so um you know my concerns were obviously they're not meeting the contract our contract was 7 690 or 720 and um but with today's conditions and Market you can't hold anybody liable for any contract violation uh they're going to claim it's material labor that kind of stuff so um the email had crafted I had

101ask maybe uh are they going to be able to extend our warranty for a year something like that um and actually have us go out and inspect a truck because we didn't plan on inspecting it because we just thought it would get delivered in a timely manner and start Manufacturing in a timely manner now obvious it's not happened so I had asked that they send at least two people out to inspect this and approve it before they start building on it so um but getting back to the finance part of it um we had worked with Tom in the beginning on this whole thing and with the bank rates right now we were making more money sitting on the money gaining interest than we would have getting any discounts for prepaying so that's the Avenue

102we chose so I think it was the right one um unfortunately you know a lot of industry is and he was telling me that their one specific manufacturer is having a hard time they're they're in Wisconsin uh they've lost a lot of their older Talent newer Talent they're training not as quick as obviously the old ones and they are concerned about quality really not pushing this too much so I'm waiting for a response um unfortunately my email I sent to everybody got kicked back so I hope you did get it again so but anyway so that's kind of where we stand um unfortunately so we should have it uh I'm hoping earlier than the winter but uh that's what they're telling us right now so all right right is the money is the money put

103aside for the truck yeah yeah that's Tom's got that in uh whatever yeah it's the arpa that was arpa fund and that we got approv for that purchase so um and the timeline for that still is okay I think as long as it's encumbered um you have to 26 think December 31st 26 so we're okay with that hopefully it's no later than 25 um but anyway that's where we stand so I got a question that's same thing it's not budget related yeah we talked about when this engine comes in to save the existing engine two as a spare yeah is that still our plan based on the condition I think that's what the chief yeah that's what he's planning on just to have that spare you know and having that we saw an engine three

104failed and we had no spare and thank God free stamping so you know that's up to them again obviously um but yeah the only problem with that's going to be is if it is a company three matter that truck won't fit in that building but um yeah that's the only is there any significant repair engines who would need to keep it no I don't I mean it runs it drives it pumps yeah the only thing about an agan apparatus that's older as and it sits longer and it's not being used she gets older quicker yeah but you know these guys can work it out on drill nights and and keep doing some stuff with that I'm sure but uh okay I I don't think I mean as much as there's a market for used apparatus

105I'm not so sure that what you would get in return would be enough value for you guys to you know you know take that and take that off rather than keeping it for a spare so unless something catastrophic were to happen here's my next question how old is our ladder is it going on 15 years 18 18 yeah 06 is it for us to refurbish what we have than look at purchasing a new one in the next few years with the way that prices are yeah so so why we're in very good condition we very I mean that that is the top-of-the-line ladder truck that we did um back in 06 right six right 06 or no it was 06 um and so you got to keep in mind as much as like the one

106development that would be a problem for us with that piece of apparatus is obviously something like Riner place you get a larger building however our our probabilities of fires in that building and use of that kind of device is lesser than it would be in a residential you know application um a a residential fire where we can pull this thing into the driveway and and have its capability so this is more user friendly for the 80% 90% of the calls that we go to for a structural alarm that it would be for that 10 20% for a brainer place which Middletown would be you know on their in route with their ladder truck anyway um so I think that you know that's going to be really a good you know question to to to bring

107up that when this does happen that you know what do we do with it um you know I see it being in the industry that we're starting to see a lot of more of these comp departments are actually going to refurbing you know you have to catch it early enough obviously well that's that's why I'm asking now that's good I mean I think we're in very good condition with that but I think that as soon as we see an improvement with turnaround times maybe you know we look at that in a couple three years because you are talking about the loss of that piece for probably 90 to 160 days right so that would be the only downfall of the refurbishment but that the that that is a you know Frontline piece that would should

108last many more years and as long as it's done right and that would more likely require you to bring it to the actual manufacturer so that's a pierce you're usually seeing a lot of these refurbs are going to go to the people who built it what would roughly what would refurbishing what would it extend its life five years 10 years oh I bet I bet with that you could probably get 10 years it all would depend on the latter qualifications you know and them qualifying it yearly but I can't see why you wouldn't I mean you know like I said that that piece fits us better than it would 100 foot stick I I mean the chief can you know answer that as well but U that that's that's what I would think you know

109you're talking you know even if it was 500,000 which I think it would be an awful lot for that because it's not like you're you're going to change out the ladder you're just going to service the ladder you would paint the body check the under you know the underside make sure the underc carriage is good you know we just did one in Bethlehem right now with a uh for a pumper and that's being done by the manufacturer uh service center in woods blcks so they didn't take it off the frame and it is actually pretty good they took the tank out and stuff like that but um and the biggest thing with that is just it's it's it's the it's the preventive maintenance you know we should like I think Michael and the DPW or

110using fluid films and stuff like that but we got to start I think doing that with the fire apparatus I think we I don't know that if we have so that's something that we should start you know looking into and probably doing it just to foret that yeah I'm not sure if we do like I said I thought we were told a couple years ago that we were doing it yeah I don't know we haven't got it yeah okay so and with the amount of times that they're out you probably wouldn't have to do it annually but you may want them looked at you know that kind of thing I know we were looking at trying to do some kind of facility with the underwash and stuff like that but I don't know where we

111got got with that nowhere yeah I'm just saying so that that's that's something I think you know that's what you have to look at today's age with those Sals that they're using today the chemicals are just so corrosive that you know when you're talking you know a million dollar firet Tru in a 600 $500,000 dump truck you know it's you know you got to start really spending some money on preventing you know that corrosion and and whether it's the fluid film you know the problem is you can't get into the extensive rinson I think Michael right because of the uh you just take the fluid foot off right so just don't want to use hot water right yeah because it melts it away yeah so I I I just think if we're not doing it

112I would highly recommend that we start looking at that you know get that done in you know September October yeah and U I think we'll see a you know a good return on that and so that that would be the biggest part of that referb would be the Bodywork and stuff like that so the that truck's in really good shape I mean it it goes out more than people think because obviously in a structural event that'll go sometimes before the even the engine just because it's so more Universal yeah and it can get in a lot of places that's why we want the 75t ladder not the does have a th000 gallons on it no 7 nope 500 yeah you can't you can't with a single axle like that and that ladder you really can't

113get anything outside of that um that amount of water all the mechanics take up too much space yeah and the tank once you put that big tank on there so but yeah so I you know I think that's something we would definitely look into for um for that for that piece it's probably I think it's a better investment you know because what would new cost so if we're looking at now for that 75 foot today so where I retired from Bristol just got a ladder without a tank or a pump was 1.4 million 100 foot 100 foot ladder so you throw a pump in a tank on that you're at two you know 18 to two million so it's on our best for so you probably looking at 156 on a 75 so I think

114you know a half a million would be a great deal yeah you know and like I said with the condition of it I think it's probably hopefully if we continue down this road the way we take care of it we should be fine so anybody else we'll let you know when it comes in trust me I'm just as thank you all right um I have no more questions um of any of the folks that are here anybody else I'm good okay if that's the case then I think we are officially done with our department budget workshops um so before we motion to adjourn um tomorrow night will be a regular Board of selectman meeting at 7 o'clock um the agenda should be out there we'll see see all the gentlemen tomorrow I'd like a motion

115to adjourn please don't move second all those in favor all right