School Board Workshop - Dec 09, 2025

001testing testing one two three. Logistic 2025 please stand by. Testing testing one two three. welcome to today's school workshop, thank you for joining us. This workshop for the school of broward school board is now called to order. All attendees must be seated except for the media. Once the room reaches capacity, attendees will be directed to the overflow area. If the fire alarm, remain outside until it's safe. Alhadeff who is now on teams will now introduce her school to lead us in the "pledge of allegiance" to the flag. MS. Alhadeff. good morning, I'm happy to introduce school to lead us in the "pledge of allegiance". Please stand. please stand for the "pledge of allegiance". I pledge allegiance to the flag. Of the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands, one nation,

002under GOD, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. you MAY be seated. we are north vine elementary school, home of the mighty lions and we're going to be singing the national anthem. O say can I see, by the dawn's early light, what so proudly we hailed, at the twilight's last gleaming. Whose broad stripes and bright stars through perilous fight, o rampart we watched were so gallantly streaming, and the rockets red glare and the bomb rtrtg in air,r,veve proo rorough the righght that our flag was still there. O say does that star-spangled banner yet waive, o, the land of the free and the home of the brave. as with begin we reaffirm our vision, as an a-rated district, we remain to sustaining this achievement. Our theme this year is believe believe, empower achieve one broward. We

003will now proceed with with the agenda. The board will review the items as advised and presented by the superintendent. Our first item for discussion is committee reports, we will now hear reports from the following, please add five minutes to the clock. Audit committee. No. Broward county association of student advisory to the board. good morning, I'm landyn student advisor to the school board. As always, lots of great things to update you on. We'll begin our speak up speak out this year. Thanks to the support. We really want to get great feedback from students when it comes to discipline and code of conduct and also their school culture and student experience. So we look forward to that in the coming months. Without giving away too many details, I don't want to spoil it. The district will be

004partnering with the delegation and representative woodzen on a legacy initiative to bring legislative ideas from the classroom into the delegation. We're excited to receive ideas from students on what legislation they feel can make a difference in their school experience and in their lives. So we look forward to a lot of great work to bring those ideas out of the classroom. We're in round two, we're about 40 percent district wide, response rate. So further along than they were last quarter. So we want to thank our administrators in making that happen. Csier is not here but they south broward reached 80 percent of their student population in one day. And they did that to complete the midway which is you cannot submit your midterm if you don't submit your survey, so that's a pretty good motivation. And

005I think smraoe responses from hitting 100 percent. So we're getting some great feedback. I've been asked about by some board memebers about how the last went. We're hearing a lot of areas of success when it comes to success and support. 87 percent of our students responded favorably agree or strongly agree. The number one word was riger. They feel, sometimes that it's too hard but they feel the rigor in their classrooms has really increased. Tt really nice to see that actualize in student responses. In our end of year survey and I'm not a statustion I think my stats teacher would acknowledge -- favorably in the school improvement survey to the fact that the school administrator asked for input where it's 78 percent in the first quarter, plus or miner in a couple. That's a dramatic increase.

006We heard 80 percent of students saying they feel safe at school. And 70 happy with their overall studies. And where we're feeling struggle is only 50 percent say their school is clean. So we need work in that area. But on the positive we're collecting input on how students can be that change. We know that the bathrooms don't dirty themselves. At the end of the day, it's students that are making those unfavorable experiences. We had an initial conversation with superintendent hepburn at our advisory committee putting up qr roads in bathrooms for students to alert school staff that this is happening because otherwise they will not see it until the end of the day. So we're really trying to be, productive with the feedback that we're seeing. And I want to thank staff who are being supportive

007on that. And finally I want to end on a positive note to highlight some of our non traditional schools. I know we talked about it yesterday in redefining. Every time I talk to a principal or doing speak up, speak out in those schools, I'm incredibly impressed with the opportunities that students are getting there. One on one services life changing services that our students receive in non traditional schools. I want to say thank you to the school staff who make incredible differences to our students. And with that being said, see you in JANUARY. thank you so much, district advisory council. she is on her way, can we come back to her. task force? North area. Speaker: good morning, I have some handouts for you all, one of our parents presented from park trails a couple of

008parents from our last meeting, they have great concerns with the format matters. It sounds like that palm beach has had this program for sometime and it was successful, so perhaps it was the way it was rolled out and not the lack of training. It was teachers that was concerned about this as well. Another concern was the amount of testing. One of our parents has made a spreadsheet the state versus the school and she is going to email it to you all today. We had and garboa is going to come back next month and give us details. We passed a motion on the accelerated funding, we moved that broward schools return the ace cape, ap roll over funds from the 24-25 school year to the schools that generated those roll over dollars to be used as

009allocated florida state statute, 1011.62. So many of our schools in our north area have started passing their own motions regarding the roll over funding. we've asked questions, we're not getting answers. So I think the communication is is the problem. Because we know that the money was taken, but the state is very specific and how the money must be used and 80 percent of is to go to the programs allocated directly to the schools that generated the money so it can't go into general funds and the cfo said in the last meeting that had the money would be put into the general funds. Window like to know how much was taken and how it's being spent? So those are the questions we have, the motion was passed unanimously. I know today you're going to have food

010and nutrition. We still have concerns about, about the courtesy meals and students who I guess, the barrier for if you need a social security number to apply for a free and secured lunch and you do. So it's been said time and time again, that immigration status isn't a factor but you have to have a social security to apply. I think that's all I have today. Thank you. thank you, central area? South area? doing double duty today, good morning, how is everyone. Some sft issues that were discussed at the last meeting, were school nurse sxz hazel health services. We're seeking clarification on the nurses. Many schools are experiencing inconsistent coverage. Medication approximates needs or on going medical plans. Additionally, we would like to confirmation on whether hazel health is still being offered in broward county schools.

011Families have experienced concern how the programs is being promoted as free service when there MAY be underlying costs and billing. The other is lunch, we request clarification on how the district is handling lunch obligations, including outstanding balances eligibility for free and reduced lunch. Parents are concerned about student student debt when balances begin to increase. Restrictions on student MAY face due to unpaid lunch fees. Can you also add, oh, that's for me, that's it. Thank you. thank you. I'll give dc a minute to set supe. Diversity committee. Speaker: good morning, so chair if you allow me an extra minute because we didn't give you our report in NOVEMBER, I made it as condensed as possible. I'm going to read as fast as I can, okay. The diversity committee met on, the committee did not have a

012report in NOVEMBER so this report is a report for combination of both meetings. Point subcommittee chairs who will start via teams. Chief gregory presented at our NOVEMBER meeting and provided a break down of personnel and police force that is in his organizational stages with approximately 25 to 30 police. and also discussed the contracts for sro and the florida statute of cooperative agreement. They have -- bless you, as it relates to arrest info and the lack of continuity from the district to the state attorney's office, the contracts in affect as it relates to equitable actions for SROs, the lack of police liason following student incidents through its completion. The committee concerns are that the district does not have a say on how the SROs implement paoun -- punitive actions. To have three options to which the

013chief stated you all have three. You can contact police officers either outside or internal. You can have security guards or a guardian and the guardian usually have a singular responsibility. We made a request on OCTOBER that was requesting by board member holness, we have not gotten the information, we made a motion with the caveat that we would receive it prior to the holiday break. We also add an addition of requesting a job description for the guardians. The site has visits, discipline programs, resource availability and safety and protocols. Committee remains to the nine conditions and their indicators as we move through the school year. The site of observation reveals communicative issues with due processes, facilities are adequate shape, exceptional calendar and we see still issues with maximo and we see -- hiring freeze, as we heard

014yesterday. We had MR. Bradford, MR. Rosario and tracy from technology, I don't think MR. Tracy is from technology to give the committee some inside for repair, surplus and inventory. Provides more efficient integrity. We were told that 49 thousands devices ordered for high school has been delivered as phase one of the technology program and deploring device as they come in. DR. Shapiro also came in and presented. Wanted better understanding of roles as school counselor as it relates to mental health. Our members ask questions between counselor who are career readiness. The committee asked about the process, what process is in place for for transition back into school should look like. One of our members, had some concerns but also provided some solutions so I'll read her concern, her concern is how is broward county school provided more

015mental health services and not direct the duty and expectation to school counselors who do not have licensing and ce seshl and education to work with students who are experiencing series mental health crisis -- serious mental health crisis. Ultimately school counselor needs that can provide associate emotional issues or more in tern intense traumas. Her solution is, which won't work but one solution is that more professionals need to be hired. There is one family counselor in each high school, perhaps there should be another one there as well. And another a list of regular update mental resources and professional so they can provide the information to students and families on how, and where to go to get the appropriate help they need. School counselor can refer students and families to these professionals and even provide a soft transfer

016to ensure that the students are comfortable with the resources while knowing they're receiving services. In conclusion, as a reminder we ask that each board memebers check in with attendance and committee attend monthly meetings and participate, it's kept at the level of its least affective member. I encourage your employees to attend the meetings. We would like the opportunity to invite each board member this year. We believe in having everyone participate in our goal of having the district showcases excellence, diverse equitable education. There was an email sent out about take home laptops that was one of the initiatives and request that suggestions in the last two reports from the diversity committee, so we appreciate that you've done that. Thank you so much and the last thing when we have visits, we provide comprehensive report in APRIL, so

017prior to that, we can't really provide like an update to site visits a little bit of site visits that you guys are aware of. I can't split them up like that, I have to provide it as a full report. Thank you so much, and I appreciate the extra time, chair. thank you, district advisory council? Speaker: good morning, I have a report for district advisory council and I will also give the report for central area. Our last meeting was on NOVEMBER 5th. We had food and nutrition services come out, we also had social work and we had lots of great conversations. You're going to hear a lot of same things because these are concerns shared across the district through all the three areas and among parents. So if it sounds that we're being redundant, it's because

018what parents keep talking about, it's important to them. So in terms of food and nutrition services, something different that came up throughout conversation was regarding special diets. Students who receive special diets, whether because it's allergies or religious restrictions, don't always have those meals available to them by the time they get to the lunch line. So, we're trying to work with food and nutrition to develop a process where those meals are set aside. Additionally, parents don't know that they're suppose to fill out a separate dietary restriction form. So we wanted to know if they can potential combine that back to school health form with with the dietary form to streamline the process and ease the workload on staff. Communication regarding lunch balances, help parents can make payments, we know they can make payments via checks. And

019also to avoid escalating fees charged by my school bucks. Additionally schools are sending communication about balances, however we missed an tupt to include the links so they can do the free lunch applications, restill their balances, it would be easy to communicate all that at once. And we didn't inquire about cost and ododnunutritn,n,veversus whwh ththey're being reimrsrsed by U.S. Da. In terms of safety and security, we have it's always our priority to keep our kids safe. And we know amidst the crisis, there are hiring freezes, however, we have schools short security personnel. When they have one campus monitor, they only have 3 when they should have 5. We don't think that skimping on security is right. And the tests being administrative in the kindergarten level, the amount of screen time that our youngest learners are exposed

020to. There is concern about phoenix declaration, we do have academic coming tomorrow night. So we're going to explore many of these topics that are going to come up. I'm just going to give you thee that are the most salent. We're being hold that not all tests are required however teachers feel pressure if they don't implement certain testing and especially when walk throughs are being conducted, they're being made to feel like they have no choice. Additionally, the star testing, I've heard from numerous parents that what is on the test doesn't match the curriculum standards for concern grades. Houbl that's an issue to take up with the state. In terms and then t a follow-up on typing instruction, we brought that up probably last year. Students are being expected to do work on computer but they're not

021getting explicit experience on typing or literacy. We share the same concern about the hazel health and emails have gone out stating that it's back. Additionally for toll see 1070, we don't have a red line. Chairs don't have access to email. They're being told to do certain things but we have not received any training, any correspondence about training, we've had our liason send communication to legislative affairs and communication department and we have not heard back. In terms of social work, we found out there are some schools that hire their own social worker which is fine but then they report directly to the principal and then additionally, if there is a loss in the social worker, there really is no other support from the district to replace the services that they would replace. And that school was

022seagullible that -- I believe na is without a social worker. That's all. Our meeting is this wednesday, DECEMBER 10th. We're working with the social department on their magic school bus to collect gift cards for children in need. So anyone who comes in on wednesday, feel free to bring in a gift card. Thank you. thank you, ese advisory. Speaker: good morning, jackie lucekin. Our last meeting was about the proposed changes which went away at the time. I think we all braced for the fact that they MAY come back. Woiz like to bring back to you folks, a message from the community which is talk to us. So when things like that come out, proposed schedule changes and the loss of study hall, it was painful. On one hand, I don't know where it come from but

023perception that the kids are taking a nap in study hall. I can tell you that the overwhelming response from community is that that is absolutely vital time. Not least of all for our students with disability when they're getting services and support. So I think, I would like to encourage when, I think we all get the, the critical times where in financially and the need to innovate or the need to take tough decisions, how we engage with the community in order, just wait for the chair. In order to t for issues to be preempted to help you folks too. Our autism committee met and our chair had a vision that she wanted to bring forward on how bcps autism school MAY look. And this came from the fact that board asked for a side by side

024type proposal for what that MAY look like compared to south florida charter schools. And so yesterday, again was a surprise that we were thinking that there was dialogue going on and bringing a model for a bcps autism school and there wasn't and we only found out in the middle of meet ing, and only because the vice chair asked. Help us, help you to form up information. But, that was a bit of a shock. So, to folks who had wanted to be doing that. Those great, moment behind south florida charter school. We were the folks that brought them forward and I look forward to that progression through the process. We brought one motion at our last meeting but actually we were one person short of quorum so it got consensus rather than a vote. And it

025was a service proposal that I formed up based on experience with so many parents who end up with me wanting for me to help them and navigate them through the system of getting a complaint resolved or issue addressed. And I thought a step process would help so you folks and us folks and people in the middle who are trying to get concerns addressed MAY be non compliance with iep and got nowhere that there is more of a formal system and getting communication back when progress is made and getting a point person that are in touch with the district. So I'll send that. I know the ese department said they have a system it's just not apparent at the consumer end and I think that there could be some work done on that. A little shocking

026to see the formation of autism and inclusion parents as partners in education council. I think that was the name of it. That was in the proposal on the redefining documents yesterday about redefining autism, that was a phrase 2345 was floating around, I think that dis xaourj us using that frame. But again, you have an ese advisory, we're here to help. We have big connections among parents and community and lots of suggestions to bring forward. So fine finding there is a proposal to create a whole new body, I hope you can understand the gulf that that creates when we find stuff like that and I still have no clue what that is about. Shout out of the month goes to chief gregory and DR. Ted tumor who acted very swiftly when I brought a issue to

027their hard of hearing audio vish ooh there have been issues that have not been revolved for months down in south plantation high. They got on it swiftly and things were cleared and I got word that the complaintant got an apology and treated royally and that was due to DR. Gregory, we were told that we cannot have meeting notices with students with 504, it's why we exist to serve students with IEPs and 504, I would like that reviewed by the communication and the chief of staff to why we're being told that that cannot happen. Tt important that our meeting notices go out to the whole community. Thank you. thank you. Esol community council? Facility task force? Speaker: good afternoon, or good morning, I'm sorry. Kimberly, facilities task force chair. We met, well we meet each thursday

028of the month, the first thursday of the month in meryl lake elementary in the media center at 7:00 P.M. Our last meeting, we had a presentation of the fca. The presentation was presented well. However, the math, really wasn't mathing when it came to the facility condition index. So we recommended, we did not have quorum, we highly recommended within our consensus that we receive the raw data for five of the schools these schools that we picked are part of redefining and the schools are stranhan north fork elementary, plantation high, fan way elementary and new renaissance. We requested raw data be given to us before the end of the month so we can go over it and make our recommendations. they weren't quite clear on whether the cover walkways was a part of the fca so, we

029wanted to make sure that we go through that. We also strongly recommended again, that the master planner be selected before moving forward to the next phase of redefining. We really need to have a master plan, planner there to kind of put everything in place as far as moving forward. Another request is that, and this is been on going request and we just really ask that the board ask the superintendent to put in a request to wanda paul that we can have the aging report in excel form so we can do our due diligence as a task force. We have some very skilled members of the task force who actually get the work, so if we can work together to get the things that we need we can give our input to our members of the

030board so they can have an informed decision. So again if we can get the aging report in excel form, we would greatly appreciate it. Members, board memebers, we're asking that district 2, thompson, district 1 bulman and at large, DR. Zeman, please appoint someone so they can be a representative on ftf so we can meet quorum. We thank you so much for that. The email. We were suppose to, well initially we were suppose to have the superintendent and wanda paul in our meeting, initially, but I understand that there was a conflict in the schedule. however I kind of looked at it before, and I knew na there was an conflict so I'm not sure what happened, were they really going to come? Or did they just say they were going to come? And we also had

031an issue not being able to find ftf on the calendar. And my sentiments are the same as the chair of dsc, is we do not have the skills to go ahead and I don't think have an email to go and put things on the calendar. I got a long email on what I need to do but I think that should be one of the district people that is doing that and not a chair of ftf. However if I need to do it, I will do it. Just wanted to also go back over exactly what our tasks are so we're community participation with planning, construction, maintenance, monitoring process and what we do is provide feedback to the board. And if we can't get the help from the staff, to give us the information that we need

032to give the board, then, it's, you know, we're being blocked from doing that. And the communication is sk blocked. Thank you so much. thank you. Gifted advisory council? Speaker: good morning p alan bush, gifted advisory. Last night we had our meeting and since the redefining meeting happened yesterdaycious there is a bit for us to talk about. We had well over 100 people attend last night. Our session was about secondary wlaerning, the advanced program to our students. So it was a redo of previous meeting that had a communications issue that was not able to go out to everybody. Some concerns that came up from our meeting. We were greatly disappointed to hear that there was little to no support for a gifted center, for our families. Appreciate DR. Holness for recommending at least a small gifted

033center. We hope that you all don't abandon that idea and anything that we can do to help, please let us know. There was concerns about sunseting the ib program, at a couple of those schools, what is happen to the current students in that enrollment, are they going to be allowed to finish that at the school or are they going to be shipped out to another location? The survey results that were went out and represented a little bit yesterday and that survey in general, in the future, it would be if it's possible, please reach out to us in regards to a survey if one is going out any feedback we can get provide to getting a survey getting questions. I was disappointed and a lot of our membership was disappointed when a "not sure" means a

034no and I don't know how you can put that in such simplistic terms, na is a little bit baffling to me. There are a little facts that we tried to check, the count was about 5,000, our count is closer to 5800 for gifted students. There is reference to only 10 plantation students and the counts that we found were at least plantation park elementary were 17, plantation elementary, 6, middle 16 and plantation high, there are 78. So I don't know where you all are getting this information or if it's been presented to you accurately but I would please double check and make sure that the data is correct. Another concern that was brought up as far as curriculum for gifted students, is there seems to be too much testing and not enough teaching especially to the

035student's EPs. There is not enough instructional time that the educators have to teach the enrichment and the advance request that students have in their EPs. And that is about what I have today, short and sweet. Thank you so much. thank you, human relations committee? Speaker: good morning, chair leonardi, school board staff, chair of religiouses committee. We held our last meet ing on wednesday NOVEMBER 19th. A couple things that I want to highlight and then I'll get to the other items. I want to uplift the work that DR. Washington has been doing, if you have not heard about her dashboard, I recommend doing that and what she is doing to check in on our students that MAY be having disciplinary issues to really work proactively to resolve them and working with our schools positive behavior plans

036and all of that it's really phenomenal work na she has been doing. We also got an update on the new holocaust museum that the department of school culture and student support has taken over the management. I know that many of you were at the ribbon cutting event and there is going to be a lot of events bringing students and doing training and using the example of holocaust to as a way to teach students what they can do in today's world to be an up standard in their community. We're also proud to, acknowledge that we are up to 31 GSAs this year which is highest than ever so making sure that we support those groups. And then, two larger items, as you know, coming up in JANUARY are our students are going to be going to

037tallahassee and that includes a number of our hrc students. We are working on merging a couple of events. I had discussed at our last meet ing or at the last workshop about training for them. There is also suppose to be a pretrip sort of training for them and having them meet with legislatures, we're looking to combining those events possibly at DECEMBER 19th but I will have a better update at the next workshop but looking forward to getting the students under their belt before they go to the capitol. And we also received the change summit, and while it's not as robust, we did see similar feedback and particularly I want today highlight how the majority of the feedback from the stududts was centered aroundnd imprprininhow stududtsts are treang each aoao, creati more inclusive environment for students,

038and the really impressive part was the students as MR. Bellalluded to t being part of that work. They wanted add voluntary ca tee training, they wanted to have the tools to create that environment and have the environment to do so. And they, feel confident in their ability to make their school a safer and more supportive environment and they need the help from. Adults in the room to get there. But the key take aways were that bullying, inclusion and kindness are the most pressing issues for students and again they're aeg tore take action to positivity and leadership and support from the school community is crucial and the summit overall was well received which we're glad to hear and we appreciate the elements. So just another sign that it's really important to engage with our students in

039different ways and try different tactics in order to get to them, because, it's really important that they feel that they feel that they're being knowledged that they're being supported and that they can make a difference in their schools and again, they just want more promotion of kindness and inclusion and increase to student engagement with more interactive activities and school spir sited events. And with that this, I wish everyone happy holidays. Thank you. thank you, multi lingual advisory committee? Speaker: thank you, MADAM Chair, sarah choral here, chair of multi lingual advisory committee. The mac metaphor our second meet ing of the year, NOVEMBER 2nd. We metal hollywood hills elementary it ond our efforts to bring ourselves to all corners of the district where there are duel language programs. We had 100 percent attendance so we met

040quorum. And, I'll say that our third meeting is already scheduled for choral springs middle at 6:30 there will be a virtual option. We invite any and all of you to attend. I am very honored to represent this committee a very dedicated parents and teachers to our duel language program, it's very humbling to be here. So our our NOVEMBER meeting, we had a spotlight where we showed hispanic celebrations. We did this because, it's our contention that duel language programs enrich the schools that they're in, and bring communities together. Meet approximatesing, you know, need to come to an end. Both of those sites were interesting to us for different reasons. Some of the questions that underline everything that we do at the mac, is how do we, get a robust incoming class into duel language programs. Is

041district k-8 program. Students start in kindergarten and in fact, they start even earlier than that in the early learning center and we believe this is a really big lesson for the district to take note of. They have classes in creole and spanish and in speaking in the principal, she was very aware of that pipeline from duel language classrooms and pre-k into kindergarten and so, this is an idea that we will be developing further and probably will turn it into a proposal that the district should be starting duel language at the pre-k level turn to go river glades, the lesson there is they pointed out and they're not the only school to do so that they tend to lose kids in the duel language program to the gifted program. And this is something that mac thought

042that we can do a better job in developing some materials to hand to parents at that cit wal point where a parent of a third grader learns that their child could be labeled as gifted and feel pressure to move them out of the duel language classroom into a gifted classroom, and we would like to get materials out there to parents to she know as a policy a district policy level, they don't have to do that, their child can remain in gifted but also remain in the duel language classroom and there are different way to see do that, it looks different at different schools. In the last few seconds, the meat of what we discussed at the last meeting, was that we have identified a gap in what students are taught in terms of the spanish

043language in elementary school versus the pathway that is before them in middle school. In middle school, the classes they're taking in spanish language are from the world language department, they're being thought, spanish language and spanish. In elementary school, they're being taught in spanish, other subjects. And, and we, are going to develop a we're going to develop a bridge program in the summer that I look forward to talking to you about at the next workshop. thank you so much. Parent community involvement task force? Speaker: good morning. The parent, excuse me, the parent community involvement task force met last monday and had a productive thoughtful and energizing discussion. We have a are bust, focused on variety of topics including kindergarten readiness, advanced academic and middle school and school choice. We sincerely appreciate the collaboration, from staff that

044recognize the families and prioritizing efforts to ensure families have access to clear supportive information on these topics. A significant portion of this month's meeting focused on our task force can help collect and amplify community input to inform community decisions. After a thoughtful deliberation, we to comprehensive survey for families and community members. The goal of the survey is to gather authentic feedback on what is working well in schools to be integrated and celebrated as we're making changes and bha issues must be considered to support families, parents and educators through the significant changes ahead. We will have that data to you, the board and the superintendent in JANUARY. We want to extend our sin veer thanks to nadia clark our liason for her leadership and shaping this work. Her contributions have been invaluable. Our task force also

045remains committed to strengthening connections between schools and nonprofit partners, relationships that are increasingly important as the district faces financial constraints and as students and family needs continue to grow. Building on the success of our previous non prove pit forums, we're planning a nonprofit fair in MARCH to bring together nonprofits, social workers and families in one shared place. The gaoel of that is to create a centralized space where all the stakeholders learn about what support are available and build stronger pathways for collaboration. Finally, I want to acknowledge concerns raised by task force members regarding the resent process. While we recognize that this particular issue has been resolved, members expressed browder -- broader concerns even when time lines are compressed. We fully recognize the difficult fiscal and operational circumstances the district is navigating, precisely because the stakes

046are so high. It is more important than ever that major decisions are grounded and the needs and experiences of students, families and teachers and that they are shaped through transparent inclusive and community informed processes. With that in mind, our task force passed the following motion, the parent community involvement task force encourages the school board to suit lies the looping policy and revisit if necessary to ensure that it can be effectively applied in situations requiring short decision-making time lines, we sfrongly advocate that any major sweeping decisions include proactive out reach to community members to informed decision make anding gather feedback. We know how complex and challenging these decision right side and our task force remains committed to serving to help ensure that district processes, built trust, elevate authentic community voice sxz keep students at the center

047of every conversation. And I want to wish each of you a very happy holiday season, a restore tiff winter break and a great start to the new year. Thank you. thank you, small business advisory committee? Technology advisory committee? Speaker: do you want to go first? linda ferraro advisory committee, we did meet yesterday and topics covered were from our fabio where we focus on cyber hygiene from the district. They're looking to personal servers, individual laptops to share point with their information to reduce the risk from local storage and outdated technology. Device inscription was discussed, the gap out of 270 out of devices, 120 of them are MISS Ing bit locker. So as urgent increpesing to prevent exposure from stolen devices. Access controls, reviewing all unnecessary internal integrations, expand cyber awareness, mandated short cases for repeat fishing

048clickers. Academic lab coordination established notification process to cybersecurity tools do not block simulations, so thank GOD we had this conversation yesterday because some of the courses offer ai cybersecurity. They can't do a demonstration if they're now going to be blocked. It was a great conversation and that group is getting together with MR. Nemans so discuss that further so their teaching is not impeded. We discussed the erp program. The rfi that had gone out and, the rfi completed to illuminate market options, mapping is under way for each of the department, finance operations and so on. We encourage that process mapping, be a life document as things don't happen on a daily basis, times they happen on a yearly quarterly basis, so everything is captured and we don't MISS Anything so that it's more in tune than

049what we did with focus. Also suggested that we use KPIs across functions. We noticed that is missing in a lot of our documents and practices. We also wanted to include training APIs to ensure adoption is, secured because that is lessons learned from maximo, so we're taking our best practices and moving them forward to practices. Lessons are out there so it's being utilize on a district wide basis. There is a canvass enter graduation of new copilot to enhance classroom work flows, student initiative, student-built websites, chat bots. Dim tal hygiene risk, copilot with over shared content education and controls. Stakeholder en cagement, develop parent phasing. Governance, we finally had our election, we had quorum, I was reelected chair and beth vice chair. We also support item bb1 on next week's agenda to support school board rupert's to

050audit technical and consulting services. We also identified other areas that MAY be taken to coordination with other contracts going out. So that the school board is properly advised of what they're looking at and has a proper comparison of information. I will forward to those to you in an email. We did discuss ai safety and trust student rollout on improvement harmful detection and conversation stop controls. So, right now, if you have the word harm in something, it's detected. Our conversation was based on content, because you MAY not use harm to harm yourself but in other context. That rows the issues of symbols. So -- rose the issue of sbomz. So -- symbols. Numbers are also used use like if you were to use, tree tr33. So these are highlighted yesterday when we're looking for information and

051again in context. We do need a resource commitment for locker rollout. We need a mandate district wide hygiene training for new annual and hire refresh. We would like to make sure that before the erp, rfp is sent out that tack has a voice in it and that's it, happy holidays. thank you. Central area. Speaker: hello this report is for central area, it will be brief. I'm going to echo again the block scheduling concerns, having proactive communication for major decisions or initiatives, there are also concerns about phoenix declarations and how it will impact our district, especially curriculum if there will be any changes as well as the financial impacts if changes have to be made to curriculum to match this document. There were two motions that were passed. the first motion was regarding nursing and it

052reads that we move that our district revise for assigning a full-time registered nurse to a school. School should be required to have a full-time nurse when the number f students with significant issues reaches threshold. For example, perhaps the district can delineate a threshold with students with asthma or seizures or chronic medical conditions that would require the skill of a registered nurse. And that motion passed unanimously. The next motion is regarding food and nutrition services, recognizing that there is a requirement for at least a partial social security number and there are concerns that people who might have immigration status issues, whatever their status is and whatever the process is that they're going to be legal citizens of this country, at the end of the day, parents are concerned about kids eating. So they state due to

053the immigration concerns on the completion of application, they recommend that they not increase the percentage and return back to the 50 percent threshold utilized in previous years and that was also approved unanimously and that's all I have for central. Thank you. thank you. I have MS. Alhadeff who would like to speak first and then if any of my other colleagues would like to ask questions or speak, let me know. MS. Alhadeff. good morning. So my first comment is on the park trails performance matters. So the issue is, that after the math test taken, parents are not able to see the completed graded test so they can see the score but they want to go over the test to go over where the students have mistakes. So the component of the performance matters isn't unlocked for

054them. Could that be unlocked? DR. Hepburn. some of those assessssnts are e usus evevy yeye at differerenschools. Callit many assessment, many assessments, sometimes need the same level of security as other assessments that we give so we don't have that floating out. But I'll have DR. Cohen speak to see if there are any changes from what I've experienced. thank you, DR. Hepburn. DR. Cohen, chief officer, yes, you're correct we're working with the vendor to allow other assessment to provide to schools to provide that. The difference in the challenge, I think there was an advisory parent that mentioned, the difference with palm beach and broward county. The big difference between how, palm rolled it out, versus how the district rolled it out. The district started with the domain platform like benchmark advance which is why parents really

055love benchmark and sovos because those give parents access that maybe performance doesn't do. They did not -- they started with the platform which is why parents are very familiar and palm beach with performance matters. We're shifting from one platform to district platform that many use. So tt a mat per of adjusting. We're working with with the vendor to actually provide that. So to go back to the actual question, we're giving parents more access to assessments that we one have allowed as a teacher tool but also allow parents access that allow parents to know where they're students are at any given point in time. So those are things that we're working for but that's the distinction on how palm beach rolled out. And by the way, we did have a general platform assessment that performance matters

056took over but most schools were using the actual domain specific platform so that's why you don't know that there was a jenna sesment -- general assessment platform. okay, so my next point is the regards that constant comments that I hear hearing about, too much testing, too much testing, too much testing. I would love to see a workshop so we can really break this apart to really truly understand how much testing is happening and is it, is it necessary, is it something that we can cut back on. so we did do a workshop that included how much testing and being under the threshold of testing. We can certainly add that to the next academic workshop just to provide more detail. Also, you know, some, we'll work with academic team added to an upcoming workshop so we

057can provide additional detail. Or if a narrative memo MAY suffice before that workshop, we have jam packed workshops over the next couple of months. We'll give you and the public information so we can understand. And also we'll talk to our schools and talk to some of our teachers, and work with btu to hear their concerns. Just to really clarify some next steps based on the information that everybody is gathering. and DR. Hepburn. if you don't mind. go ahead, DR. Cohen. I think the other challenge and I spoke to the spokeperson, there is a distinction between testing versus schools using formative test as grades. Because schools are using some tests as part of grades but also checkpoints for understanding. So my ask is tell us the school, the teacher, the grade level so we can be

058more specific in terms of going into these classrooms and really finding out how they're using these assessments. We really need to figure that part out so we're not using a blanket swap to say justice over testing. There MAY be some ways as instructional teaching tools. right, I appreciate that comment. But that's the really important comment because at the end of the day, the students, the parents, they just see that they're testing. However you're wordings it, or rolling it out, it just coming out as testing. So maybe there is a there needs to be a better way to communicate exactly what is happening because, that is not what the feeling is from the students and the parents. And my last comment is in regard to our students going to rally to tally and based on the

059conversation yesterday with our legislative platform, and the especially because the board is not going to except for the chair are going. I believe that our students should be promoting the bcps legislative platform not their own platform and I would love my colleagues to weigh in on that. Thank you very much. student advisor. I can provide some context if I can. It's solely on district legislative. Each group is assigned, well not assigned but they're able to choose a topic of importance. My group had the hoax reporting and that was our pure intention. So we met with the legislatures purely discuss that to try to get some movement and that ended up becoming law. So each group has a specific content area that they spend researching and doing a premeeting with legislatures to discuss and get some

060feedback and while in tallahassee, have the meetings to discuss the change. So you know, I would definitely say that the at least from my experience, I don't want to speak generally but from my experience, it is certainly tied to the legislative platform. is that all MS. Alhadeff. I'm sorry, I got cut off, I didn't hear what he said. so MR. Spellbergh said that he proid volunteered an explanation about how the students choose a portion of the legislative platform, they do research and advocate per the legislative platform that's what his experience has been, they do it based on our legislative platform. okay, that's not what I've experienced in the past, they had their own legislative platform, so that's working on ours, that's wonderful. anything else 34z alhadeff. no, thank you. DR. Holness? thank you, MADAM Chair.

061So I want to thank our committee chairs for being here. I do appreciate as always, your input. I did take some notes and I, realize that some of you mentioned that you're having challenges sometimes with getting a quorum. We also have communication where I have an open door policy where they can call me anytime if they need to convey anything. I was wondering if the committee chairs, if it would be too much to send us the attendance sheet through an email. I don't know if that's the solution. But I certainly would like to know, I MAY not always be able to checkup on everybody but if I get an attendance sheet, I can see if my folks. And I don't want to micromanage anyone but it's a problem that you're expressing. MADAM Chair, if you

062don't mind, I just want, if any of the chairs would like to comment on what they would believe would be a viable solution not to take too much time but trying to see, I've heard that problem over and over. MS. Lucekam. we had one board member in the emergency room with a child and another in a funeral in texas and another came home and found her husband sick, so they were home. You can ask your appointees they need to send apologies in advance so we know where they are and also if they can come in pine. -- in time. I found that certainly just speaking for ese advisory, we have good attendance from school board member appointee this year. But also we would encourage that you know if your appointee has gone or not, because

063they will talk to you. So if you don't have a place for them to report back to you, that would be helpful so they're being your eyes and ears, thank you. thank you. I was just telling them to stop my time. So would you, do you believe that sending us the attendance sheet would be helpful? Speaker: I'll be happy to send them but you would get some crosses in a box. if you're talking about board member a ttendees. Your appointees are meant to be reporting back to you, so you would know if they have gone or not. So we encourage that you have that arrangement with them. and forgive me for the distraction, I was making sure they were not running my time. I have a few comments. I think there are other people that

064wanted to provide solutions. Pierre-grant. Speaker: we take great attendance and I have no problem sending you the attendance. As to MS. Lucekam, you need to check in with your appointee or they should be be checking in with you. It's difficult for me, for me, I snatch them off as if they don't meet that cry tier ya, we've already removed two people. If they don't come, I snatch them right off. Some of you be putting them back on but they don't show up. But if you're going to put them back, have a conversation that they need to be at the meetings. as a board member and as many of you, there is so many things that we deal with sometimes, we MAY not realize that a particular appointee is not attending. We want to see if

065there is a process that we can quickly identify an attendee that is not attending as they should, so board member can meet with that person so it does not compound into a major absentee issue. that's cool. two quick things one MAY be a different approach if you're just having a particular issue with a member, maybe we reach out directly about that individual. One other piece I wanted to mention a little more proactive our task force really took this issue up and we think it's important. We recommend creating a bank of volunteers where volunteers could submit an application to be considered. One piece I think it's really important to make sure that somebody agreeing to be on a committee understand the commitment at the start. So just making sure that we're communicating as you're communicating with

066your appointee, saying here's your expectation if you MISS A certain amount, you MAY be removed and here's why it's so critical that you can keep that monthly or whatever the commitment level is. I understand. I as one board member, if there is any issue with any of any appointee, please send me an email and I'm sure others will. one more thing on board, we would be happy to send attendance if we had an appointee. okay, I have a few comments, DR. Hepburn through chair, regarding roll over funds for ace, ib that is mentioned by north area, by MS. Nicole, can you speak to that as to whether or not those funds are being returned? And if not, why not. absolutely, so for roll over, we're going to roll over things that are statutetory required. Other

067funds will not be given back. Especially now, when we're collecting all dollars in any coffer that we find throughout the entire district, not just school base operation right side, every department across this district. So is the answer is no. okay, so. Regarding, I've heard comments, I don't recall who mentioned it, but the social security, a couple of chairs mentioned social security numbers be required to apply for free and reduced lunch. My concern is a lot of children who are attending our schools immigrant children who MAY not be able to provide this, that they, would it be fair to conclude that some of these kids MAY not have lunch and if so, how can we rectify that problem, I cannot imagine a kid going on all day without eating and expected to perform. So the question

068is, is it the associate security number required? is it required and is there another way around it? If it is required? I don't, I know mary moto will be here for that part of the workshop. I don't know if MS. Paul, if you know, if that is required, since it is the usda is the one that reimbursing us, I'm assuming that the social security numbers are required to determine eligibility, because some parents are automatically eligible due to their situation with receiving snap which requires social security number to apply to receive snap services. I'll turnover to MS. Paul. as you mentioned previously, MS. Molder will be here and will give a full presentation, I believe it is a federal requirement but we can verify that when MS. Molder comes in. We do have courtesy meals so

069kids are not turned away. So we can revisit that shortly. okay. in the presentation. thank you, MS. Paul. So sing that's an important issue that needs to be cleared up. If. Social security number is required there needs to be a clear process to which a kid can get lunch even if he or she does not have a social security. As you mentioned, MS. Paul, there is that option, correct? yes. Yes, sir. okay, so to answer the concerns then, regarding the social security for parents who are out there and for this issue that is raise, students can still get lunch even without the social security. And, MS. Paul is there any school that you believe or DR. Hepburn that would not understand this process of students being able to eat even if they don't have the

070required documents on file? to my knowledge, we have not had issue that is why we're coming back with a demonstration, we're going to demonstrate some abuse and figure out how to best corral the abuse and making sure the kids that have the need get the lunch based on the need. so for those chairs that made the comment and anyone out there with concerns, if your kid is not eating lunch or any specific school where kids not eating lunch because they don't have associate security, please let us know. Na is something that I would be opposed. So I'll move on, I do have a few questions. The diversity, let me see, committee mentioned that some information that was requested and I recall making comments on that they're still not getting that information, is that correct? yes,

071I talked to MS. Pierre na is correct but I found a root of the issue is that the data just needs to be clean or drawing data from multiple sources needs to be accurate before we send it to anybody. Anything we send, we want to make sure that it's accuratete I'm prprtyty susure that w we should gogoodbebere t the break let's see any head shakes in the back. We should be good. so they'll get it before they go on holiday? yes, and we'll, we're dependent on the schools to clean up some things, so we're pressed to school and make sure that they clean up their part so we have accurate data. understand. I'm just hoping, it is not on going issue where they come back in JANUARY and say we still don't have the data,

072I'm hoping they get it before. Also, special diets. one of the chairs mentioned that some students are on special diets due to whatever conditions they MAY have. And that those meals sometimes not, they don't have enough of those meals so they don't get to eat. Can somebody speak to that and how you can resolve that issue. I know mary will be here. They do have those types of meals for special diets. We heard the concern that by the time the students needs the meal, it's not there. So mary's crew is very diligent in coming wup solutions for those problems. They will fix that. is it that they run out of the meals? I think, and I'm not there, I'm assuming the meal is prepared and it's put out and kids are grabbing those meals even

073if they don't have the special diet need and by the time, by time you get there, meal is gone. So, mary and her team are great. I don't think that should be a problem moving forward. can you update us on resolution to that issue, maybe there needs to be a special line for those special diet kids. I forgot who brought it up, one of the chair, the kid who is coming to the register can ask for that and already there. got it. So regarding, ese mentioned a concern that, they're not able to send ut meeting notices to student with 504 or esc students, is that accurate and if not, if they're able to what is the inhibition? if you can repeat that concern, please. Speaker: yes, so si write the parent link to write out

074to parents publicizing our meeting and it turns out that it's sent to students with IEPs and not 504s. I'm not sure if has anything to do with the fact that, the 504 are maintained in a whole different system. I was told we can only send out meeting notice wz paerpts of iep, that's not the only people we serve. In fact our meeting notices would be useful to go out to every parent in the community not just students with disability. So when we're publicizing ese meeting, they're not just for students with disability. And if the district, yesterday brought out a document of all the wonderful things it wants to do, that it should be doing anyway and put a bow and called it redefining autism. And having lots of meetings with parents. We do that, we

075run these meetings. We run parent engagement but we cannot engage with that community. So I suggest they would go out to the whole parent body, that would be awesome, thank you. got you, we'll get the logistics of that. I'm incline to send it to all parents just to get the message. A parent MAY have a 504 student or ese student. got it. Okay. Also, one of the chairs mentioned that gifted kids, are tested excessively, I just want to get clarification, are gifted kids tested anymore excessive than regular mainstream kids? no, it should be the same. Like cohen mentioned earlier, really identifying the school of concerns so we can analyze that case. I have yet to hear a concern from that group about testing. So if, so it sounds like we MAY have add some stuff

076to the workshop so the board can understand why we do it, but if we hear, if you have any testing concerns, if we can get in the specific schools so we can see if there is a form of anomaly, so you start withing a litnews test of one school will help us identify issues that are in a specific region or innovation zone. okay, I want to reiterate the concern expressed by board member alhadeff regarding test, while we're on testing, there seems to be on going concerns that we're testing too much. Not sure if that's true or not. But at the same time, I want to caution that testing is not the only measure of a student learning outcome. There are many ways to measure the student outcome. We have already been inundated with standard assessment

077including pm1 and other form of testing. I know we spoke in the past regarding a standard measure district wide to where student outcomes are ascertains, because there are variations, DR. Hepburn, in how teachers assess teacher's outcome. Outcome is assessed based on overall grade being tested and then you maze have another teacher where 80 percent have project and other forms of determining outcome and testing is 20 percent. So I know. Grading scales, right. So we need some level uniformity, and I've always expressed that since I've been here because it varies across the board. So maybe there is some relevance to the conversation that maybe there is too much testing, maybe not all teachers but some teachers. We need to have a level of standards for grading scale to which students their learning outcome is determined or

078knowledge is determined. There is too much variation and it could be that test ising too much for particular schools or teachers. So I'm hoping that we can find a solution to that. And lastly, number of students, it was mentioned that number of students with major chronic medical condition that recommended threshold should should be determined for schools with a certain number of students to help, you know, determine if we should have a full-time nurse. So is there a threshold currently existing in terms of the number of students with major chronic conditions as we determine full-time nurses or if not, how can we proceed with making that happen? yeah, I'll differ that to MS. Hollinsworth. good morning, DR. Holness there is not a threshold as to how many, every child that has a need is assessed base

079on medical orders that the doctor provides by the health services team, it's a mouthful. So there is a school that requires a nurse and other students that have on another campus that don't have a required need that is required for the nurse to complete that procedure. So it's a case by case basis. We have 47 schools that do not have a nurse based on the need. That changes daily. We have students that en roll that we have to assess and provide and students that withdrawal. That was the request that board had asked several meetings ago and it's roughly because it's a 3 million dollars ask to have a nurse at every school. I understand and I know there are certain major situations that MAY be out left-hand yer. There MAY be a student that MAY

080opinion chronic but not to the level that one student needs a nurse. Is there a way in which some kind of, I guess, some kind of a threshold can be developed or developed or guideline to determine when we need a full-time nurse and when we don't? so we can look at that and again it's not, there are schools that have one nurse for multiple students that's why I'm saying it's individualized but we can go back. That data is reviewed and determines and sometimes seizure management, we MAY have students that their seizure manage is mild and by requirement, just in the past, I've provided that kind of procedure to students when I was a classroom teacher as well as principal. But students that MAY need that situation but then the nurse would be assigned. So it's

081not always on the actual condition, it's sometimes based on the intensity of how that students requires services. But we're always going back and continue to evaluate that based on that. Like I said, I meet with the student health services team weekly to review cases in schools. it thank you so much, MADAM Chair, that's all for me. Thank you. MR. Cervera. thank you, chair. First off good morning, ladies and gentlemen. I appreciate everyone coming in always with a valuable inside. It's always nice to see everybody and certainly I want to wish everybody a happy holidays, and merry christmas, I don't think I'll see you between now and the end of the year. I'm going to be quick today. I want to echo some of what DR. Holness said about the attendance of our committee appointees. I

082know this is a problem, attendance is a problem for some, more difficult for others. I'm going to take some responsibility right off the bat. MS. Grant, I believe I owe you one, I do. so that will be forthcoming. the one you got is coming. But you do owe me. I do owe you one, on my tally. I appreciate that. that's forthcoming and I'll do my best to get he or she as quickly as possible. I've also heard from you, and incidentally from the diversity committee, I feel like you say this every time you're here about board member attendance at your meetings and how you love board member to attend? when is your next meeting? next year. I'll be there. Before you leave, I'm going give you my cell phone you call me. Jackie I've been

083to a couple of yours, with all due respect s next month I'm going to go to diversity. I'm going to do my part to start making myself more available for some of these committee meetings. So please, feel free, anybody up there to hold my feet to the fire, about attendees, invite me. I'll make arrangements with my wife so she won't kill me. I appreciate that. That being said, you guys do a lot of valuable work for us and I am appreciative. And I know sometimes people feel their voices can't be heard. I cannot speak for everyone here but I certainly read your emails and listen to what you have to say. I know this is a huge time commitment, it takes you away from your spouses, kids, and other commitments and I would be remiss

084if I didn't call out MS. Morehorn, I love your outfit. It's very very festive, we are in the christmas spirit! So kudos to you. Thanks everybody. MS. Rupert? thank you. Thank you all for being here. I listen every time you're here but more importantly I take action on what you're saying. One of the questions that I have for the superintendent I forgot who said hazel health is there an update on hazel health? Are they still with us? What are the conditions that we're getting somebody else? MS. Holensworth. good morning, again, yes when I reported to the dac hazel health, they've been bought ut, merged with what is called little otter. So the individuals are not the leadership team, however nothing has changed. They are still here, families have to sign consent to access that. And

085I know there was question about billing. Part of that is when a family signs that, they do bill insurance but there is no costs. However, schools have to have a 20 percent to be able to access that. So we're still continue to go try to get families to engage with that so they're still here and doing the good work and we're over 300 plus instructional hours saved. very nice. On the same topic, do you have a update on the health hubs that we're working with community connections. They were pulled out of our two areas, what have we done about that? so the health hubs was at dandy as well as ely, they're still there. They're community base connections is there. I know they're working with another organization with the health police but our team is

086there and work withing the community base connections to reengage with that, but we're working through that. okay, so the other ones are gone. it was the medical team. yes q the medical part but we've already replaced. we're working on that with community base corrections, that's through them. yes, can I emphasize, we got to be full and ready to go in JANUARY, you know, it's of course the super gives you direction but having these two wonderful places for our communities and, our teachers and staff, it's extremely important and it's a model that we used 20 years ago. So I, I, I look forward to actually having that process up and running again. I, everybody else already asked about social security cards we're going to get an answer on that. 140 tests in kindergarten, the number just

087blew my mind but I definitely want to go down a few levels and see what exactly what are those tests. What is it that they're looking for. That just sounds crazy to me. yeah. And chairs our committee chairs, still saying that they have not got the computers and the training or they got the computers and they have not had the training. We need an update on when we're going to get this actually 100 percent done. MR. Superintendent? we don't need computers. okay, you need the training. no computers. to clarify, I don't think are asking whether we want training, some might. Ly say ons are -- liason are meant to be trained. We want them trained in the things that we need so we can all be collaborating. my liason did not even get to go,

088just fyi. we'll have to talk to you off line. So we train the liasons but they want them trained. my liason did not get to go, fyi. this, this takes us to the recommendation on committee structure that you set up. And that have not been advance and one of those was with us a training curriculum, one came out but it was not drawn up in collaboration with us, to discuss it further. And the next thing we heard a liason training had been held. so collaboration about training the liasons? correct. And all the other many recommendations that didn't actually have response and some of them were very fine ones. got it. We'll talk off line. and the liasons expressed they are open to joint training so there is no confusion. And then additionally, email access that

089was promised in AUGUST, you still have chairs who don't have that access. And an email was sent out a couple of weeks ago, requiring chairs to put meeting dates on their calendars so that it can show up on the district calendar, they can't do that if they don't have the access. got it. and it's five months later. as the kids say, say less. okay. just I did get an email from whoever withththe ail ththin wee still coactete see,e, that's whatwe need to get done, conversation back and forth, we're working on it. Really, I took to heart, when jackie was saying her committee just really wants to be talked with, not to, with. And their best practices as part of that conversation. I personally, I think the more conversation that you have with committee chairs and

090committees, the much easier it is to actually work together for the betterment of all students in broward county. For all, yeah. All organizations as well. So the next is facilities task force. I understand something about the fci, the math was not working up. I'm sure we're going to be getting more information on that because board memebers ask the same question and I guess specifically to MS. Paul, via, the superintendent if possible, we get information on the aging report and can it be in the excel report style. it sounded like it was aging report. oh okay, absolutely. great. And from somebody I think up here, I might be om one that actually remembers this as a parent and also teacher and a board member, way back to what real looping looked like. A lot of people

091don't know and it fell by the way side in the last ten years or so. But it makes, our job easier and not that that is a goal of mine to make my job easier but it facilitates true engagement and actually, the feeling of being a partner not somebody that we're just basically saying come to the party but there is no input at the party, there is no seat at the table for real. So for me, whenever I hear that looping isn't done, I cringe a little bit because it is a valuable tool and you won't hear so many, my believe, so many complaints about miscommunication or lack of communication because that process actually happens. What I would recommend would be, we need a workshop, on what true policy looping looks like so we board

092memebers can understand that many but also so we can get back into that process which was super super success for decades. And that is my soap box spot there. It is very important and something I said every time this has come up. Yeah. nurses threshold. MADAM Chair, on that point. yes, can you just wait until MS. Rupert's done. I'm almost done, sorry. And then we talked about, nurse threshold, specifically supportive for that. And, and I'm very interested in finding out about digital hygiene training those things. But thank you, merry christmas, happy kwanzaa and happy new year, and thank you for always being in the fight for our kids. Thank you. MS. Alhadeff with the looping piece. two years ak, there was a board member follow-up that explains the different looping methods or processes, I would

093recommend if DR. Hepburn can resend out that memo to the board regarding looping so they can thoroughly understanding what looping is. Thank you. thank you, MS. Thompson? Thank you, chair and I'll try to be brief since I know we're behind schedule. I just wanted to clarify some of the comments made around the mental health professionals in our school. There MAY be a misunderstanding, school counselors are not meant to train crisis, they're not trained to be long term therapist because that would be not prepare. However to did disseminate that we don't have counselor, is inaccurate and I want to address that. And there was component of social workers there is an area called I believe it's called innovation zone where they're allowed to hire social workers but they are still served by a district social worker.

094So it's not that they don't have, that is itself. Just to clarify that happens. I would agree with 504 being included in the ese noticed and I'm glad na is going to be sent to all parents. There was a question about ib transportation and with us sunseting the program will the student and the program still be getting transportation to the programs. Superintendent? so we normally kind of transition out, grandfather students when we sunset programs. perfect and then I just wanted to highlight and reiterate what our sarah, I think, what sarah said about duel language and trying to include it in our pre-k classrooms as well. I think it's a phenomenal idea, we know that brain development with younger kids, can pickup languages faster than we can. It's something that other facilities do not offer and

095our competitors do not offer. So as we're creating these innovation zones, particularly lakeside elementary would be fantastic for a duel language program. And nas it, thank you. thank you, DR. Zeman. thanks, chair. I really appreciate, I'm sorry a little bit of a sold here today but the comments from several of you about communications duplex, you know, talking from you and hearing from you, that's been really been the greatest advantage of advisory committee. Yesterday at our school board meeting, we made a announcement of trying to find 94 million dollars between JANUARY and JUNE. It is a dire fiscal urgency, however you want to describe it. And in coincident with that, 7 schools identify foreclosure next year. That's the context for all the work being done in broward schools, it's important to note that again today. On

096the tech side so you're aware, linda, there is going to be an addition at the chair's request with concurrence with board on ai. That will be interesting if you have any input on what kind of things we ought to be hearing. It would be valuable to hear back from you. On the diversity stuff, and I MAY have MISS Heard, I'm sorry about that, but is there an issue related to the hiring freeze with diversity? you were listening. I did say you say that with surprise. cause, I know you don't like me. I don't MISS Much. I don't not that. But you did hear correctly, you said that we were seeing issues prior to the hiring freeze of the lack of resources and personnel and now, we believe after the mention of the superintendent yesterday that

097this will be exacerbated so yes, so we do our site visit we'll be cognizant of that making sure that when see things it's because of financial straints, why the district is in things. I appreciate the thoughts. If you fact, you think there might be and I can hear a theory, which is, it's not unlikely in title 1 in high minority schools that there is greater turnover. And if this hiring freeze, starts to affect, I would like to know about it in about four nano seconds. absolutely. there is no intent for that to happen but if we see it in reality, I would like to know. The superintendent has a discretion to make and submit today moving teachers back to classrooms. So to me the community should feel good, we're still going to have certified teachers.

098Charter teachers, don't have as much as we do. If there is an impact in those schools, I think the board would be very concerned about it. You heard this byway w the last point by me, you heard this about the roll over questions that roll over funds are going to pay the 94 million dollars. If you have any ideas, there was a number of discussions yesterday about all ideas are good ideas. If there are way to see do technology or to do other things that you're responsible for more less money, we would like to hear them. The superintendent asked for ideas to come to him and to DR. Wanza, so if you have any those, those would get a lot of attention in the long term and thanks again for your service. All of you.

099MS. Bulman. thanks, chair. Thank you everyone for your presentations today. I've been duelly shamed, I'm going to get mia facility force appointee. Landyn, thank you for your presentation, south broward did a great job in answering the survey. And I'm happy to hear that you're working on make ing the students responsible for the fas tilt, because nobody else is mess ing up the bathroom, it's a good for everyone to have buy-in in that. I, I echo, DR. Zeman in terms of diversity when you're not the ground and doing the site visits, we would all appreciate hearing the feedback to see if you hear those issues. we tend to address it with principal but I'll be more than happy to send it to you guys. tell us too, because then we can escalate it. through the superintendent,

100then you guys or send you guys an email. How would you like that? yeah, or call. You know, as many people on it as possible, it will be probably the most, the most expeditious way to address it. I, also, okay human relations committee. Thank you. I'm happy to hear that you're going to get advocacy training. Last year when we went to tallahassee, it was so cool, I think there is nothing better for students to experience. I think that will be fantastic. i'm happy to hear that the golf stream academy, is a model for duel language language. And I agree we can put this in other parts of the county, it's huge selling points and nobody else is offering that, that is fantastic. I hear what you're saying about the looping in the communication, I think

101we all agree that going forward, that's something that we're going to have to focus on to the parent community involvement task force here. And, just the last thing and I don't know if we've wrapped, fully wrapped this up, roll over funds. Do we? It just keeps coming up. Is there a ways to get a memo, I know there is statutory roll over and then there seems to be confusion about the responsibility? Can we get it in writing. yeah, we can clear it up in writing. Absolutely. I think that would help everybody. And that's all. can I just say something about that, because I think that what is not understood is the schools did not just have buckets of money left over. What happens the state, the state said that they MAY not fully fund the

102accelerated programs. And so the schools were holding titons to what they had in case there wasn't funding for it the next year. And so, they were very frugal on how they were spending and cautious that they had the money for the students for the next year. And the state fully funded it and so the follow over dollars that they were keeping in case it was not funded, cause taken back by the district. It was fully funded and then they didn't get their roll over dollars. So one school they kept $400,000 just at one school, without explanation. We understand going forward, that they shouldn't be rolling over but that was, that was the reason, it was not because they had so much extra. So it's put them in a predicament, thank you. thank you for that

103clarification. And we met with our principals about contacting us so they can get what they need instead of purchasing. I would love to be a vendor sometimes, because if I go to 30 different schools instead going to the district purchase to wasting money. But one of the issues, why this was a problem before, and thanks to our local state legislatures, that went to tallahassee and advocated on our behalf is because schools have been rolling over, people in tallahassee look at and oh you don't need the money because you keep rolling it over every year. It's been on going problem. As a result of that, you're telling people who are supporting providing funding to schools that oh you don't need this money, because every year you're only using a portion and you're rolling it every year.

104same with title grants. The same issue for many school districts across the country, they kept rolling over and you're telling people who are fund ing public ed that you don't need this money because you only use a portion of it each year and then you roll it over. We're saying that we need to change our stance and we need to utilize all the money that is being received and if it's not, it's not going to roll over in the future. It's not going to roll over. So just a high level view of some of the decision-making from the government and also our state government too. I think that's super helpful, we've just been asking the communication why, if we just understand y we have not gotten the answers, I feel it was kind of sneaky.

105yeah, so if we can get that in writing, and the over arching theme that this year's money goes to this year's kids. If the money is allocated for this year, it should be allocate for this year. thank you very much. MS. Hixon. sorry for being here I had a DR. Appointment. I heard the multi language one and I wanted to, comment on that. So my son is my grandson, is two and a half and he goes to a duel language preschool program and he can speak both english and spanish and sometimes I can't keep up because he starts in english and stats in spanish, so I agree 100 percent. I do hope that we look at what that looks like in variety of places because our students regardless whether it's spanish or portugal or haitian,

106they really need that to survive in the business world today. So I appreciate you doing a study on that and bringing na to our attention because I think it's really really important, so thank you. thank you, I appreciate the comments on our student advisor and I had a question on our non traditional schools. Especially at the wynne roger meeting a few weeks ago, the issue of marketing and bringing more students into our non traditional schools, came up and I'm wondering if you have any ideas how to advise the incredible services? itching a lot of is debunking the idea of non traditional. At the end of the day, it is a non traditional experience but that does not make it a bad experience. To us, when we talk to students, I know dcear was able to

107go into a tour there. I wonder if we need to rebrand it in the context of students. You know of saying s the right word, of saying, ititis specialized or pepeonalized or sosothining likethat bubualso hahaving thstudent marketing across the district, non traditional and traditional, is so so desperately needed. And I can't say it enough that when we hear things from our peers, we're more likely to act upon it right. And even I want to give a shout out and I'm sorry, I'm deviated from your question, but I want to give a shout out to MR. Howard Mcarthur and MS. Reese at south plantation, they had their student collaboration when it comes to attendance. The videos blew up and students are highly en gaijds in that now. That's a perfect example of to coat DR. Hepburn,

108kids say less. kids don't say that. MR. Sullivan says s the youngest councilmember. you all move too fast more me. -- for me. well DR. Hepburn, went viral. To answer your question, redefining that would really be successful. Sorry MR. Hepburn. No offense. is would agree, showing that community of schools by reposting not your school but other schools, those shah community. People want to come to a school based on community. If we're saying, we're just posting our schools, we're creating that sense of divide. So if we have open community, hey I'm from south plantation but I'm going to repost-it shows a form of community and commitment. so yes. I love that and I'm not online a lot but I've seen the Mcarthur video, organically, it's really really fun. Thank you for sharing that. And I think

109we've spoken about the importance of student lead marketing as opposed to the more traditional. if I can add to the conversation, chair. So one of the things, thanks to landyn and his continued engagement as a cabinet. One of the things that we did we partnered from tamara from our tv programs, whatever terms I'm missing right now so they are creating student generated content. For specific things, so that's one more that we can add. And they're leveraging the becon studios to do this. With a real professional in the industry. awesome and also to landyn's point, and I think staff can is maybe equipped to do this, yeah rethinking how we talk about our non traditional schools. Sometimes there is a perception that it's bad and it's really not. They're really really incredible things happening at the

110schools. Can, the issue of performance mat pezer continues to come up. Help me understand, how we're working through the different barriers that have been identified? I'll have DR. Cohen go over there and high level synopsis on woo it is -- what it is and what it's used for and where the confusion MAY lie. Go ahead, DR. Conhen. sure, I think it's the new platform that differs from teachers are use to. I'll so give you an example. With performance matters, it's a district-use assessment that allows us to really look at school by school data teacher by teacher data and provide support at various degrees based on if stud ens in school are struggling. With the previous assessment systems, it was really designed specifically for the teacher and the parent, which means that administrators didn'ts really have

111global access to look at the entire school system what parents had. To not only look at all of their students and teachers by grade and content area but also helps them to determine specific types of interventions such as small group extension, such as extended opportunities after school, pushing and pull out, they're able to see that realtime. The district is able to look at at that school by school and quickly dispatch and provide support in realtime. And we've been able to donna successful for the past two years, and this is why we're now we have realtime data at our fingertips to know where, when, why and how and who who is having struggling and how to provide help. We did not have information with the previous system we had nor did we have that information with

112our domain specific platforms. The other thing that is really important, we go through an adoption cycle three to four years, parents MAY not even have the option whz we come through adoption cycle because it goes through a procurement mechanism. So those specific platform change every four years. So where as if something like performance matters, stand-alone it allows us to be focused. And in addition that we're doing in trying to address any issues of parents are having, this system allows us to collaborate across multiple districts using similar assessment, so we can see how well other districts are doing using the same systems and instruments to be able to share some practices. And our domain platform did not do that because not all adopts the same, so it provides us with a crisp level of detail that

113we did not have before. thank you. And I, it is funny I do recall several years ago, during school visits principals, explaining about the previous assessment system not being able to see the data. I appreciate the extra perspective that we have now. I think, a comment that I've heard in speaking with parents about technology specifically, is just like a lack of familiarity or any kind of introduction. These are all the things that you're child will be using and helps the parent understand how to use them. That made me think of this because it seems like, you know, you said that the program was designed for like administrators to view and previous assessment system was for, like more taylor towards students and teachers so moving forward, we can help everyone get in the same page in

114terms of how to use these things and try to eliminate some of the barriers. I, I want today flating issues with the school lunches but I think we can do that in the next workshop. i was alarmed that seagull is without a social worker. I'm wondering if we can get an update. That school specifically, needs a social worker. I want to know if it's true and b, want to know what we're doing to make sure that we provide the services. yeah, we can have the team research that while in the meeting and provide a follow-up during the meeting. tuz. Thank you. How long does the looping process typically take? go ahead, MR. Sullivan, I know the looping is initialed by the board. it depends, the looping policy suggests that it's looped by the board or

115the direction of the superintendent. So it depends how many committees the board or superintendent wants that looped in. Sometimes it's more appropriate for one committee times it's appropriate for multiple committees so it depends on the item. okay, so next time we want to look at something and get feedback from the community, we would, board would initial that say we want this, this issue to be looped, these are the committees we would like it to be looped through. so that would take place during first workshop for the board. The board can direct us to loop it and then bring it back to the board or we loop it at the direction of the superintendent. -- I don't believe that is something that would you loop especially with the timeline that we were facing. okay, so I

116do agree and I think we can all say there were lessons learned with how that was done. Looping might opinion necessarily be the appropriate tool but, I guess I'm wondering, from staff like what did we learn in terms of how to better volve community input in something like that. well I think multiple things. You could loop in with committees especially like the regional, the region committees where we know there is a plethora of of parents also there, the town halls and technology to have town halls via zoom, not zoom but teams, we've done that to engage students. We have tons of engagement processes. I think, next time, I think the biggest lesson learned is to really be mindful of the timeline and back it out so you have opportunities to do that. From the moment

117of that meeting so the timeline of a school at the was probably about 3 weeks tops and there was a few days in between. Soing the timeline was the largest variable that you know, unhinged the process. But we've got tons of engagement processes. Leveraging the team and all of those things and things that we do with our parents and also leveraging the committees that have a plethora of parents that come to those meetings readily. and I'm wondering, because block scheduling was brought up and that was being done because of a budget issue. I'm wondering if given the situation that we're in, if there was a way for us to engage a community to talk about cost saving measures. A lot of even with redefining a lot of best ideas did come from the community. I

118would love for us to talk strategic and innovative way on how we can utilize our community members. yeah, to be honest we probably need to restart that process, work with our committees and our parents too educate them on the why and the current conditions on high school scheduling. It is still a burden for our district. We can definitely initiate that process. It will not impact student schedules because they still take 7 classes. So they can still go through source. Le -- course. It's just about the amount of money that we spend to get the additional courses to be thought by our instructors at the high school level. I don't think a lot of people understand that because we didn't have the vehicle at the time. They educate the public. So yes. I want to be

119clear, I was not talking about returning to the block scheduling. that's all right. I was talking about just getting ideas from the public about cost saving measures and a way to do that that is affective and productive and not just like, you know, that would be wanda. all right, I want to return to the testing piece. And I want to share my experience in the classroom. There were some years, I felt like I was given a test every friday for the entire period so it was like, you know, four friz of every month were spent solely testing. And other years where that was not the case and we were on a more relaxed schedule. So you know, I hear that you can bring it to an academic workshop or send a memo. But I feel

120like there is maybe a miscommunication from like, going both ways from schools in the district and us, like you, we're hearing from staff today that like there is not uber testing and the amount of testing is appropriate but then we hear from paerpts and schools that that's not. So I think, and I do wonder like, if it were to come to the workshop and the board gave the direction we want less testing, what would that look like? can I ask a question based on your experience as a teacher. The test you gave every friday, were those district tests or school tests based on I thought this monday through thursday and we're going to do assessment for my oweser course. that's a really good question. They were like tests that our language arts team came up

121with right. So it was a school based test but it was coming down to us from administration that you have to do this. And we got the impression as teachers and now as a board member, I know this is not necessarily true that that was coming down from the district. I don't know how we clean up the communication around that. I don't want to throw those teachers under the bus. Buzz I was giving the test. If my a p came in and saw I was not giving a test. we can convoy what we can give as far as testing which is not a lot of testing. Now from school to school that MAY be different and from department from department, as a department, we MAY decide hey, they MAY decide every thursday, we're going to

122give a math test so the students don't have a test every day. Now you're pulling autonomy away from a group of teachers. That becomes very complex. For schools, I know principals and assist apartment principals tried to straddle that as far as how are we assessing kids? How many times. I can say, landyn can say, if a teacher can give a test every week because they thought something the first couple of days, and those are teachers, maybe some departments are making that decisions and so, I think for us as a district, we can go over, what we require as assessment from schools which is is not that much, we try to go below the minimum of the state and then, I think the conversation it has to be a work group with principals and leadership teams

123and probably work withing btu also because some of this is what teachers are requiring as far as assessment and having a work group to work through that to see besides district and state assessments, what does that look like as far as something consistent across the district? So that elementary students and parents, know what assessment, the frequency of assessment which is a same issue. I liken that to the same issue that DR. Holness was trying to do with grade scales, it's the same kind of complexity around autonomy and instruction. thank you. Thank you for explaining that and I think it is helpful for all of us to understand the balance between like, autonomy and all of that. I appreciate that sdi appreciate the suggestion of a working group to try to get to the crooks of

124the issue. if I MAY add something to that. I know there are a few of you that were teachers and some of are still teachers to this day. I think the whole, discussion around testing is very complex. Because, teachers use assessments also to determine small group instructions which students that didn't master what they taught in that given week or period of time, and they use these for flexible groups. So the data around how they assess. And I think there is a distinction between assessment and testing, two, assessments to be used to say let me check in and see where my students are. It's not just based on teachers want students to know to see how I facilitated instruction in the way that all students mast per the con cept. So I think what we can

125do is do a to rens I can audit and take a deeper dive at schools that MAY be over testing or over assessing over those that do not. We do have a cadence an the candar.. The ard d apapproved tt.T. What we're discussing now is those going above and beyond. Why are they doing that, there are going to be some schools that 80 percent of students are not proficient. How do we check and also support is given to them. We're happy to come back to the board for workshop to talk about a deeper dive, what we found, what we uncover because we do get these questions, so often, I think it is important for us to understand what is happening so that you all don't get inundated with all of these questions, we need to

126have a better understanding, it is three ways, four way w with the student, parents, and teachers and administers. chair. Can I just add one thing, am I able, quickly a new ans that has come up with task force meeting. It actually seems to be more of a concern for elementary age students. A lot of the middle and high school test is tied to units or like the superintendent is saying. Part of why it feels like there is a lot more, a lot is digital. Where previously a kindergarten assessment MAY have been a conversation where the child didn't realize it was an assessment, a formative assessment. And now each time a student has to get on a computer to do one, it feels more like a test. I think at least for our group, the biggest

127issue is how that has emerged at the elementary. yeah, I got you. It's 180 days in a school year, that's a test every other day. Your explanation it's, I guess it's clarifying the con cept of what an assessment is versus monitoring and checking in and simply doing the homework and they MAY be interpreting that as an assessment. chair, additionally one of the nuances that has come up this is a testing culture. On days that students are testing it seems that everybody is on lock down. So if a specific level is is not testing, but they feel like they are, because they can't move, they cannot go to specials or recess. So when you're testing over a period of weeks, it seems like we're missing because of testing and this was shared at several studies. can

128I add, my kid is in study hall for five hours. He's missing his instruction. for state, yes that is going to be the case, the complexity of our students, everybody is on deck. Some students need more time, and some need smaller environment so now you're diluting the teachers where they have to provide certain level of support. so yes yes for state assessments, and then especially pm3, that school will be on lock down for assessment. It's, it's a high security high accountability test. With specific requirements for certain students that full teachers away from kids. thank you. Thank you for that. and I'll just end with, you know, I think this could be this would apply like many issues that were brought up. Like the testing or the issues with the liason trainings, issues with facilities, some

129of this, I think all of us would appreciate some notice and some specific example so we can try to address it. My cell phone is on the school board website. Many of you do reach out when there are specific issues. Soy just want to open up that invitation, we all want to be a part of a solution, we don't want to see, you know, shoddy facilities at our schools. We don't want communication to be lacking, so please, you know, I am open to listen and hear from you and try to address those issues. MS. Alhadeff. I'm good. MS. Hixon. I'll be brief. Somebody sent susan email from riverside, it was on NOVEMBER 17th and it was about elementary school testing and the schedule. So she sent it to up and there is a little block

130in the top that tells you how much and this is only district and state tests clearly identifies which is which. Kipder garden, 4, third grade 44, fourth grade 4r50 and 5th grade 66. And those are only state and district tests. So I can send this to whoever with, I guess DR. Hepburn, she somehow got this, I guess it's from our website, that shows the testing window and actual dates and whether it's progressive matters or progressive learning, it has it listed there already. So is the testing, that seems excessive is not just teacher, 44 tests for a kindergarten, 48 tests for kindergartner, I don't know if. District can redo. I think it's important to look at the document. I had a teacher from beach side reach out and I had sent that to DR. Fulton and

131she indicated some sft things that that teacher was expressing concerns and she was a science teacher was generated as MS. Leonardi from leadership at the school. But this document is stwrikly state and district, I don't know how we address it but there is some documentation that was shared with us recently. Thank you. thank you. Do any of my colleagues have anything else to say? All right, thank you so much. We hope you have a love holiday. Before -- I'm going to recess for five minutes to move to the next one. I see a lot of people in the audience that have not registered to speak, so you would like to speak, and would like to, please do so. I will recess the workshop for five minutes. the next item is update on educational mitigation agreement

132and related issues. I now turn it over to staff for a brief presentation. good morning. I have here with me I'm wanda paul chief operations officer, and we have MR. Acabuzo and MR. Gabriel outside counsel and tom coon' who is part of our counsel to provide you with an update on where we stand today and to ask the board for guidance in terms of moving forward. So I'll MR. Chris start us off. good morning, chris acabuzo director of real estate. The presentation is specifically to bring to the board, if you want to rescind this agreement. The county commission and nine cities well not nine cities, the nine cities to the inter local agreements. Which are called educational agreements. Some of the city's past resolutions to pretty much, some of them are using the word terminate,

133to carry the agreement and the purpose of the agreement as you know, is for the board to consider that, as we go to the slides the information is for the school board to discuss the matter and based on the presentation, hopefully, you give the staff directive. And slide on number 2 is hypothetical at this point in time. i'm going to talk about this to later because this talks to some sft remaining units that are going to be build. So I'm going to leave this and then go to the slides because you can tie it to the residential units. So to begin, on slide number 3. They are in the 2000s, they're about in 2004 and 2007 and 2007 because in 2008 it became affective in broward county. A bunch of cities, nine cities went to

134incentivize development in their cities. So they took advantage called local activity center, which is to enable mix use. For lauderdale downtown those are part of the units to change the various land use to skip that step. Based on that, most of the schools that were affected were crowded back then. And based on that, we went through the process, the developments were reviewed. The county commission pretty much placed the condition. We used to write reports and those reports of the section and inter local agreement called section 7.8 which is a we're going to recommend approval or denial, it was a recommendation that it was not binding back then because there was no concurrency so the county can choose to place a condition. So those were voluntary mitigation. Modular classroom were most of them so just about

135most cities chose cost -- and I'm going to explain what that is later in the presentation. That is slide number 3, now as you see, in late 2004, there was a lot of activity. That activity lead to the broward county commission passing a resolution, there about in late 2004 to pretty much rescind those agreement nz position of mitigation fees. If you go to slide number, I'm having difficulty with this thing, 4, so as you see, the proposal because narrative was these fees, costs for developments to be hired, specifically residential. So, the goal again, as you know, this particular education mitigation agreement were continued in a particular boundary. So based on this position, the county commission took actions, a bunch of cities taox actions about six cities taox action in different dates to rescind this agreement.

136We brought it back to the board in 2005. Part of that presentation, there was a recommendation. The recommendation was because again, the narrative was it was affecting housing for the ability, was ak. -- okay, we've been offering to the cities. He can use affordable housing. And then you lock it in for like 30 years, right. We said if you choose to do that, then we are okay for impact fees to be paid. Now I'm going to be clearcious it was administrative conversation at that point. Not as on official action but that was presented to the board that was a recommendation. So to take away, the board said to work collaborative with this cities and then come torres losing. One of the key outcomes was to reach a revenue neutral solution. So that was a directive.

137There about, we started meeting again on slide number 4, the first meeting took place on 2025, 25 members working group, three co-chairs, one representing the city, me represent broward county schools and then representing broward county. We met collectively for time. Which I'm going to get to later. Before I get to that, on slide number 5 is school impact fees and compensation -- I'm going to read it, I think you got some opinion from MR. Gabriel who is sitting to my right which is house case law. That then cost is what we regardle what school district in florida, you have to build a student station. So one student station is scheduled at the state generates periodically, it goes, it MAY go to 2028-29 and it changes month by month. So is the cost station as you

138see there in the footnote, includes architect neuronal engineering fees, furniture, furniture and costs, right? Impact fees are derived based on the study. A station is part of the formula that is some credits applied based on the state. But the station is the one for won that's what it costs to you to provide a student station. So the narrative from the beginning, has been you generate one student, then please, we want to 100 percent to provide our student station in what is costing the school board. That is key. So I'm going to go to number 6. So this is just to give you, I'm going to go through this very quickly. On slide number 6 is the meetings we had, I want to go through each meeting. The first meeting was FEBRUARY 18, this is the

139educational mitigation agreement working group. The 13 members, so we had a meeting, we had a bunch of meetings and you can see that the goal was to discuss options towards utilizing those options to resolve the stated issues and again, and it was a revenue neutral solution na was the directive from the board. So we had to first meeting on FEBRUARY 18th, then on AUGUST, I'm sorry APRIL the third, we had the -- okay. Can you please move the slides for me, you can go to slide number 7. So on APRIL 3rd, we had had the second meeting, at that meeting, we were looking at the options. To reach our revenue solutions. So those options are listed there. The majority or just about the options from. Cities and especially from the cities who pass the resolution

140was to rescind the agreements. The statement was made that developers walked away from cities and because they walked away, residential did not take place. And because that did not take place, if it was built, you would have realized taxes and more than potentially get and that would have provided the additional revenue we needed. We had the third meeting on AUGUST the 7th. We continued to discuss the issues. Again as we head out for second bullet, not feasible to provide the data recording the developers that walked away. So we couldn't get that information. As you see, again the meeting, consistency again was, get rid of the agreements. Senate bill, you're going to heal about senate bill later when I transition to MR. Gabriel. The city of oakland park brought that up. And I'm going to make

141a point here, right, we started meeting FEBRUARY. It was introduced in MARCH of 2005. That was the beginning of senate bill 1080, okay. That was the beginning, it's a fact. So, that bill was discussed, MR. Gabriel was at those meetings. The deputy county was at those meetings. At that meet ing, it was acknowledged that a group was not making considerable progress towards reaching the directive from the school board and then it was discussed at that meeting that given what has taken place each member can go back to the governing body and potentially give a report regarding what is happening and then there was conversation potentially about the school board and the cities having a joint meeting to potentially speak. There was also conversation about the end-goal which is when we finish is the group going

142to issue a report? During that period as we go number 9, broward county staff senate a number, dated SEPTEMBER 17th, 2025, to give the board status report on where we are. We were suppose to have a meeting on sect 19th. The last meeting that the group had was OCTOBER 30ing, we're progressively going to the end of the year and the goal was to then come back to the board. So at this particular meeting, again, given the direction we felt that we needed to look at potentially if you rescind this agreement in what form can it be done? MR. Gabriel will speak to that. Both MR. Gabriel and chair, deputy county attorney discussed potential legal instruments. There was talk about each city MAY, it has to be, some instrument but some city will have to take

143action but then it was clear and insisted that we make sure that if those agreements are rescinded, right now, all of the nine cities are vested for public school concurrency. If these agreements are rescinded, they will not be vested. What vesting means, right now, if we have capacity, we don't have capacity, those will go through, because they are grandfathered. But if they're rescinded, then that vesting geese away. Those cities will stand in line. Why? Because public school is still affective in broward county. Those developers, we can recommend denial, that's why broward county school board, 27 cities and county commission is a party to what they call the trailer and we have the authority to deny. So I just want to make that statement. So you go to slide number 10. That statement was made that

144those agreement left side have to contend that they need to understand, we have capacity, they go forward, they pay impact fees, you don't have capacity, public school concurrency, you have to do what you call proportionate share. You're going to hear the word nexus, because both the word mitigation and shared mitigation, they -- with 1080. MR. Gabriel is going too talk about that. And at the last meeting, we wanted to take a head count to ensure what cities are in favor of getting hid of these agreements. The city manager, our wonderful colleague was very clear and the minutes, I think the school board, you requested that a transcript we provided them to you. These minutes are recorded also, right, recorded, transcripts, minutes. We took a head count, two cities did not attend. The cities that attended

145said they should be rescinded. I as your representative abstain, because it's up to the school board to take the position, so I didn't vote. Using the word rescind or amend the agreements, and then the nature if there was a report to the board, now we're giving you this report. So the findings from that meeting is what I'm presenting to you. Again the key take away was rescind the agreements, come up with agreeable instrument which MR. Gabriel is going to refer to, if we choose to go and depends on what the board does. We had a formal process to amend those agreements, because residential units that were approved by the county, different types of residential units through time because of, the development or the demand for housing type, those cities will amend those agreements, right? And

146a lot of cities did. And the process was you amend the agreement and you indicate to us, either to MR. Gabriel or our office, this is the unit type, we go through the process and then calculate what a new student will be. The mitigation will remain the same. And then once we're all in agreement, MR. Gabriel sends it to the county, the county does it, the county staff, we all on board and then the cities and that's why on slide number 11 will go forward and present before the commission. They take action first, school board takes next, and county last and then those agreements with the new unit makes and I recognize and then the city then records those agreements. So it's on record what unit type is allowed, that was the process. That process

147has worked diligently from the beginning to until, against the city of oakland park, we all work collectively. The city and it's not about the city of oakland park, started I think they're about in 2002, 2003, the city of oakland park has 1187 residential units, that was part of their so they wanted to move from the townhouses to mid-rides, mid-rise is four stories to his -- you have this student generation, every student type generates. The generation rate is lower. The townhouse generation is higher. The tal unitits was 314 studen.. The mid-rise again, the agreement that the city had was for -- so, we went for the process, offered the same process from that point in time, the city resisted doing that. They went ahead and I think, this project called the sky project and kind of

148digressing a little bit to want to change it mid-rise. We said go through process. MR. Gabriel will follow the process because of some development timeline pressure, the city went ahead because remember the agreement we had, was 1187 residential, townhouses, apartments. The city went to the county, they went to pay. They paid based on that agreement. the county stayed with the obligation. So the station was, that they paid for, was based on that agreement which was townhouses. The city paid over a million dollars. They were building 136 mid-rise. But they paid for townhouse. Why? Because that's the valid agreement in place and recorded. They will tell you, you're going to hear, again, that mid-rise, the student generation is different and they had a bedroom mix. The townhouse, 110 townhouse generated over 1 -- students. Remember they

149started 314, I'm just giving this. So going forward, this, they made that money until today that agreement has not been amended. Right now, it's still, they still have 883 units left. But those are townhouses because the agreement has not been amended, I'm going too put that on the record. So slide number 11 just to give you that process, gu to slide number 12. Again it kind of closes out the process. Slide number 13 is the mitigation fees that has been collected for the past five years, and overall 14 million for 14.6 million and that's been collected and I know that was a follow-up by the board and MR. Sims is here regarding what this money is paid for. I'm useful, he's going to talk about. Going to slide number 14. So this table is is

150the beginning table, those are other nine cities, the begin table is the mix of units. The remain ing unbuilt, we had the calculation. The mix initial units is just to give you the beginning units. As you noticed, they built up all their units. Right? Now in total approximately 10 -- units and bedroom mix development. Now these are hypothetical numbers, I just want to say. The assumption is summit gaysing, doo. -- due. Assumption are built today. These units are going to built overtime. You're going to get approximately 94 million. In impact fees you're going to get 64 million, the difference is 30 million. If if the agreement is rescinded hypothetically, as soon as they're built today, the school board has given approximately 29.8 million dollars, again hypothetical because these units are going to be built overtime,

151some of them MAY not be built, they MAY change because of our residential demand but again to give you a number. So this is hypothetical. But in reality, these are the number of units, approximately left, reach out to all the cities to make sure that we have the numbers accurately. So that's where we are. On slide number 15 is either recommendation. And, I will talk about it recommendation but then before you, I guess I want to discuss and then we'll gabriel, I'll transition to MR. Gabriel but what I wanted to say is during this period, we didn't specifically talk about senate bill, in presentation, I alluded to it. But the transition that took place between JANUARY and now, was 1080. During that time, attorney general came out. MR. Gabriel is going to talk about that.

152MR. Gabriel can speak and then you can decide. We're recommending the board, the keyword is to reconsider. It's up to the board. But then if you do, if the board directive is to resinned the agreement, the general process that MAY be followed it's going to be a collaboration on separate agreements that's if every single city at this time, the board can consider if every city, I don't know if it's every city who wants to rescind. And then third, the county commission will do the same thing, the school board will do the same thing and once that is done, start will implement a directive and I'll differ to MR. Gabriel, and definitely they're going to collaborate with the county to come up with that legal instrument and then come up with a process. So I differ

153to MR. Gabriel. well good morning, everyone. my whole career has been wrapped around the school district, it's a good and bad thing. This is complicated. It is had a lot of moving parts and pieces to it. some of which are still moving, some are which unknown yet because the legislature keeps changing things as we move forward. So how it applies toe bhao we're doing and how we're doing it is yet to be determined. Saying that, I want to go back a little bit. Developers were crying and you didn't have school capacity for new students that were coming forward. So we created military agreements. At some point in time, through that regulation, and that legislation, so that's important to know. The mitigation agreement was adopted. There was a third amount to that, that is what existed

154today and that's what we have been following it. I'm grg to call the trial because it's an easier word. It allowed the cities to change whatever was proposed as chris was expressing, the types and developments that they want to have and we would amend those agreements accordingly. I worked with the county attorney's office. The process was the city would come in and they would tell you what they were trying to do, and do a letter which is your department's finding of fact and what would be proposed. And they would take that to the developer, the developer would try to do that. If we had capacity, if we had capacity, that's basically paid whatever was required by those agreements. That was the proportionate share. Understand that proportionate share is established by the school. The impact fee,

155with the benefit of school board is adopted by county, it's done regularly. All of those meet the nexus, the student, the regulations that you've heard in terms of nexus tests. All the agreements provide that when you come forward for development and you ask for whatever you're going to ask for. That's the agreement, coming forward and consider, I guess, he's used rescind the agreements. Frankly that's not the word that I would use. You're being asked to either release those agreements and to allow and acknowledge that those agreements as currently written be amend in some fashion to allow for school concurrency to continue whatever the program. So we're not, we're not suggesting that you just forget those agreements, that is not what is being asked. So it would be identify that you release parts of those agreements

156and do it formally. Relating to this. They do not have an issue, internally as to how that process would be. We have that would address releasing potentially as they present' exist but requiring the in whatever fashion and chris has explained whatever that would be, if you have capacity to pay impact fees, if you don't, you would have to pay some kind of student station fee or potentially whether you had to build the classroom or pay the student station fee or whatever that MAY be. That's the program that is in place. That's what is being suggested you consider because that is trial provides for. The county has a concurrency program in place and that stays. No matter what happens, that trial is not the discussion. Okay, saying all that. The question that you have before you

157with the attorney general opinion. So first senate bill 1080 says that you're required to follow the law with record to development impact fees and rational nexus test. As I've already indicated, we have, we have and we continue to do that. That has been changed. The corn general opinion, there is assumeses, that opinion is not established opinion. We never had the benefit of seeing what the request was that was sent to the attorney general's office. So I don't know what they were provided in terms of this is the information, please respond, we have not seen that. Because it was not published, it was not available. The question then became, there is nothing in that attorney general continue that indicates that what we're doing and the agreements are invalid. It just says you must follow the law.

158And my position is, we have continued to do and will do what is necessary to follow the law with regard to those . We've never had a problem addressing that, whether it's lawyers or cities developers whatever that MAY be, because we worked it through and it was not until this incident with the city of oakland park that we ran into a difficult because they didn't want to to amend it. Factually, I prepared three separate proposed amendments for the city of oakland park based on consider requests were and they changed in terms of mix units of what they wanted to build and that was done but it was always, it was never proceeded, they never took formal action. I don't know the answer why, I can just tell you that's the answers to what happened. At

159this point in time, the question to you, is whether or not we take action to formally release or make action to amend those agreements. Chris had indicated that you can do all of them. I'm going to suggest that you look at each one separately, because each city is different. They all have the same basic facts, same legal to them but basically what they had at the ground at the time is different. And, and whatever development has occured up to until this point of time is different in those cities. So it would be appropriate to amend those agreements accordingly, ums you wanted to take the position that we're going to release them all and require school concurrency to move forward. But that is a suggest that a city MAY offer you what their perspective because it's

160to their ben and developer benefit to allow those agreements to stay in place. Pursuant to the con surnt see. It's that black and white. And we start all over and as if we had a different concurrency in place. And I'll end, because we're talking capacity and I know you're also involved in this, because it's current, the school of hope. Right now, the capacity under the mitigation agreements has been reserved for those particular units. How does that affect with the school of hope? If you have to give schools of hope capacity who gets what? These are the questions I mentioned touz that it's a moving target, we don't really know the answers, it's just coming forward and these are conversations that I've been having with your staff trying to understand implications trying to move forward in

161whatever direction you suggest. I think with that t I gave you a good background. I'm open to whatever questions you MAY have. I hope I can answer them. I would like to be as succinct and open as I can, but remember that there are still a lot of open questions related to this. But I will do my best. Thank you. is that the conclusion of your presentation. yes, ma'am. yes. We will now go to public comment. i'll read two names at a time, so if you can approach the mic as I read your name. You'll have three minutes. I'll have dennis, representing sunbean morgan and delvin king. Commissioner fitsboohu. And vice mayor a -- iesha gordon. Speaker: good afternoon. good afternoon. everyone is looking good, yeah. I'm happy to see everyone. MADAM Chair, you look

162great. I jut see all the school board memebers. We have a great issue in front of us. Commissioner with great city of oakland park. I stayed on the finance committee with the foreign league of cities. I've been going to tallahassee, or land a for a cup of months. And our committee is charged to evaluate the proposal amendments of property taxes. Okay. And all the cities and the state of florida, we come together to craft where we know something is going to pass that is going to affect our local ooh MISS Papas s and d counties, but t have to bprctivive. This pa of our due didiligence in the city for the past couple of years. You know where I stand, because I have great five and great schools in oakland park. Thank you for fighting

163for rickers and you supported us. This body always provided oakland park. But right now, I have to put families in homes and we're going through a mass amount of growth in oakland park. and this has been a hamper to that often times. And asked the city manager, I said listen, I saw all the emails, everybody got the information, you received it, I have all of it. So I'm here speaking as a parent as elected official for over a year and understanding how important this mitigation fee for us to be to rescind it, okay. So we both be able to reap the benefits of it in the long run. The impact over 75 million in over 30 years. It was mention shared proportion ate. If we believe from mitigation, we'll be able to have our investments

164in bringing forward housing to our residents, to your parents, to the children that you have in your public schools. That I'm in every public school representing. Okay so. You're going to hear our staff. They were very thoughtful, because lo and behold, I grill them all the time. I'm going to protect all the schools. We have responsible developers that took a chance on oakland park to provide homes to family and I'm going to maintain that relationship and part of that is creating all the economic activity that I need and this is why we are here, this afternoon. With that said, my team will come up after me. It was great seeing all of you, continue giving me all the resources I have for all of my five schools in oakland park. i'm happy with each and

165everyone of them. Thank you so much. thank you so much. Vice mayor iesha gordon. Speaker: good afternoon, I'm iesha and it's a great opportunity and pleasure to be here a dressing the school mitigation agreement. To MADAM Chair, members of the school board, again, thank you for this opportunity. To speak today, I want to share the reality of education mitt graduation agreements have meant. For economically, put my glasses on, challenge part of our community and why rescinding and terminating these agreements is so critical to people who live and work there. Our local activity center is located in a qualified census track and in a community redevelopment area. It is not a high income neighborhood. This area has lived for decades with economic hardship. This investment and vacant contaminated land, it's also the heart of our downtown

166which means the future determines the future of our entire city. For many years, city was the largest property owner within this district. We held a abandoneded, polluted lots and aging municipal buildings that prevented any type of meaningful redevelopment. If we wanted progress, we had to lead it ourselves. And so the city undertook the work, no private developer was willing to do. we reimmediate ated con taminated properties, we regenerated municipal operations and in the case of the sky project, our new building, we even guaranteed the city as the landmark tenant just to attract a development partner willing to take a chance on an untested market. thank you so much. Commissioner tim and then sierra. thank you. Speaker: good afternoon and happy holidays, thank you for your leadership and partnership and service, we appreciate it, we know

167it's not easy. I appreciate the opportunity to speak today. I wanted to address the mitigation and rescinding, is is a gain. Revenue, as a revenue loss, however, the assessment does not reflect how development actually occurs, or in this case, how development fails to occur when fees are so excessive that progress cannot continue. In oak band park no development has occured. Million dollars contract, per project. A it's a regard of no progress. Speak of the city's taxpayer agreed inflated fee, student for horizon and our taxpayers are committing two million dollars, these if not, a fundment already that support. Fees. Now let tt a guaranteed amount of money. They remove, with staff identifying a 94 million dollars loss that estimate assumes two things that are not true, first that the development will take place. And second the

168impact, terminating removing the barriers but and decades of, and development, and stagnation that grows the financial future of the district. Rescinding and terminating the agreements is not a loss it's a gain from real data. And quick faith, because you need it, student station. So we ask that you please, please, be fair and consider what is right and eliminate these fees. And I have to continue to have this fee removed and we want to be good partners. thank you. Sierra shoeman. Speaker: good afternoon. Director of oakland park. I am also a certified planner and general contractor. So my work sits where apology and economic development and I am before you to offer factual perspective. For more than 20 years, the agreement have not functioned as planning tools. And applied for, school staff has told you, the

169agreements creates a financial. These agreements. No development you already heard, for the agreements project the properties and discovery the costs and due diligence, he evaluate the costs that these mitigation fees. And outside the area and carries a standard. Of around about 375,000 a unit those are real numbers. I cannot site every development but many remain vacant and undeveloped. You also heard concerns about vested rights. Tied to the units, identified in the agreements, that phrasing tends to create a lot of confusion. So I want to set this straight, the residential units assigned to cities were established through adapted I have plans or regional activity centers. They do not come from these agreements, they're not lost if these agreements end. What staff is calling vested is simply the student capacity associated with those planned units for long-range

170planning. We have available capacity at our schools, so at that point, that is not limiting factor to the cities. Last meeting, the school board staff, your director has stated that no project has been denied. If no project has been denied, then ending these agreements is is not a pose a risk for losing vesting. In addition, lays out the school capacity in determining how much mitigation is handled when a there is a shortfall. The developer will enter the mitigation process between them and the school board themselves. Thank you, please help us in rescinding the agreements. thank you, patricia shoe and grant. Speaker: okay, thank you. Good afternoon. Esteemed board leaders and MADAM Chair. I want to focus on fairness, consistency and responsibility decision-making, cities approved new house hading, that housing bring residents and residents bring students.

171To manage that growth responsively, education mitigation agreements were established to schools can keep face as development moved forward. These agreements operate within the county's 1080 grape work which is intend today align development approval with available school capacities. These were thoughtfully structures, they already include an amendment process that allow adjustments if conditions or numbers change. What is being discussed now goes beyond adjustment, it's undoing of agreement approvals have been. The student still arrive but mitigation funded intended to support classrooms, teachers and schools capacity will no longer be available. This is not growth management, this is cost shift, this is not about choosing sides, it is about understanding the mitigation fees are one-time opportunity to address long term impact and undoing shift that impact on to school impact pairs. Think of it this way, it requires infrastructure

172such as drainage. That does not disappear, after the bills goes up. The impact was created and responsibility remains, education, mitigation remains the same way. It means applying the same standards to everyone. Adjustment to be tied to real development and activity rather than permanent. Some municipalities have benefited from changes made consistency moving forward even more -- important. Most importantly, fully undoing these agreement places public schools at real financial risks. It exposed the district to unfunding capacity needs, limits long term planning and increase the likelihood that future impacts would be addressed through borrowing, delayed shifts away from classrooms that is preventable risks. Protecting these agreements which imagine amendment is how we maintain fairness and financial stability and be ability for our students and educators and taxpayers. Thank you for your time and consideration. thank you, susan grant

173and david. Speaker: susan grant and I'm with the city of ft. Lauderdale. We're here today for two simple messages, number one that we support and concur with the comments made with our colleagues from the city of oakland park. And also to remind you in NOVEMBER of 2024, the city of ft. Lauderdale did pass a resolution urging the school board to release not only the city of ft. Lauderdale but other cities from this mitigation agreements. With that, thank you very much for your time. thank you. I don't believe MR. Abear is in the audience. I will now turn it over to board discussion. I don't see anyone, would anyone? go ahead DR. Zeman. thank you so much, chair. It wouldn't be kind or appropriate to ignore all the people that came here today and I appreciate

174that very much. My favorite comment is that this is complicated. This is a difficult situation and I want to, shed some light maybe on some things that have not been addressed explicitly. To my knowledge, education mitigation I am fact fees are in addition to fees that cities charge their developers as well. And I I want to make sure that we understand kind of what we're talking about in terms of scale. These fees, have been estimated by our staff at 8400, 8500 to some of the speakers. Those are legitimate fees. I think it's an open question on whether or not or not that kind of fee is going to impact development. There is many reasons why development has not happened. But they have happened in others. To the point, where we've collected 22 million dollars in

175education mitigation, agreement fees. And we have spent that 22 million dollars on enhancing schools in lax and rax. I'm anxious to hear from my colleagues about what they think about this. There is two levels of response. One is, is there some advantage to broward koupt' schools and the county in terms of coming up with a different agreement, hol hog. And second, is there something that we want to be ex plicit about. I'm very sympathetic from the second and I'm open to hearing from my colleagues on round one. But again, there is a very complicated process in terms of development, there are all kinds of fees that are charged by cities and fees in long term agreements. I feel good that the money that has come in mitigation agreements are equal, you know, almost to the

176dollar for the money that has gone out, that's 22 million in and 22 million dollars out. It does not far shadow the solution but I feel good that broward schools have turned around and things the things on things that matter on your students because your students and our students are the same people. I do want to defend one thing on this presentation. Our staff has put together some estimates and while they call them hypothetical and we appreciate that, because we don't know what is going to happen. Just to make sure that I understand this table correctly, if in fact the nine sees that have signed this agreement, use up all the units that were in the original plan, I think that we would collect on the margin, 29 million extra dollars if we maintain these

177mitigation agreements, is that correct? is that correct. That's correct. we're not estimating how many things are build we're going estimating if they max out, that's going to net 29 million more than if we just charge impact fees only? that's correct and just to let you know, those numbers are based onon the e numbers s schedud for noveerer. The schelele changes momonth byby month but that c correct. I'm familiar and I appreciate that you thank you for reminder. I have one question for the chair, senate bill 1080 made some changes to how fees can be collected. This agreement however was signed 20 years ago, what impact does the current legislation have on our ability? And what I'm particularly concerned about, trying to bound this discussion a little bit. We've estimated 29 million dollars of additional potential

178collections, I'll call them that. The difference between impact fees and mitigation fees is 29.8 million dollars. 30 if you want to roundup. General council, if you've looked at senate bill 1080 and looked at an agreement that has been signed by usz and nine cities, how does that change that number? Does it change that number at all? the agreement that we signed were done pursuant to the law as it was at the time. So the new, the new bill, affects the agreements moving forward but it does not affect the units that were billed or applied for prior to OCTOBER 1, 2025. terrific, again, chair. And just for my edification. i would love to learn from. Mitigation from that, and affordable and housing, the certified affordable housing, that's the one where county looks at it and the

179developer signs an agreement that says for 30 years that is going to stay within certain ranges of median household income. Would I love to hear from you in those two categories and look forward to round 2. Thank you, chair. thank you, DR. Holness. thank you, MADAM Chair. I have a few questions, and thank you to, our staff for presenting information and thank you to our city officials who came out as well to speak on this issue. I do have some questions. DR. Fulton, do you believe and I guess the staff can answer, the cities, have reasonable rational to release them from these fees? staff? this agreement again, post preconcurrency was called voluntary mitigation. Approval that they placed on cities that you're allowed to build. So when concurrency became affective, they're grandfathered right, we as the

180this staff and tied to DR. Zeman is saying, we said in the middle of the road. If it's affecting our affordable housing, it has been a partner in waving impact fees since 1987. We will agree, administer pifly it has not come to the board as a formal action that the developments once they go through the certification process, we will agree that they pay impact fees. The business decision, we can speak for how end, we felt it was a practical and rational thing to do, because you must pay impact fees in broward county for the county code, fees are due. So that's where we are. But in terms of the city's decision, is a business decision, the city of oakland park is saying it has not enabled development. Again every other city, like DR. Zeman said,

181units have been built. Everything you see around here, those are rack units. Those are rack units; every city that I know of, even though during the meetings they're agreeing to potential release like MR. Gabriel said, but they did not give a reason why. so it has been stated and that an and MR. Acabuzzo you mentioned that this the city indicated that developers are walking away as a result of these fees. That there is no evidence as far as develop or whatever they MAY be that developers are walking away from property. that's correct. They pretty much said, it is difficult to collect that data. So based on that, have we done as a district any type of research research as whether they will walk away charmed by school districts and mitigation fees? I'm speak ining general,

182is there any evidence to suggest that developers walk away when we have mitigation fees or any school district as it pertains to mitigation fees or impact fees? I mean if you don't, it's okay, I'm just asking a question. I guess if I am jump in here, to the extent that impact fees are being paid and fees are being paid to the district, developing is occurring. It's just not occurring potentially in one particular area that we heard the complaints about. But the school system is receiving concurrency payments for development that is coming in and building is occurring. okay. So, DR. Fulton, if the cities, the nine cities are released from these mitigation agreement, what impact will this have op our school district on our students, our staff, our teachers parents in general, give me a broad

183picture of how this will impact if we should completely release these nine cities? staff, you can respond. Thank you. I think that question MAY be alluding into a financial impact. So I MAY have to differ to MR. Shim, because we're stating a hypothetical number so that is going to be tied to, I don't know MR. Omar. okay, DR. Fulton if I MAY, I know there is a financial impact and certainly he'll give us what he deemed to be the estimated financial iment pact. But can you expound DR. Fulton through staff what they're used for how it impacts our students, our staff, our district in general, if we no longer have these fees? go ahead. so I am start the beginning and MR. Shim can quantify. I believe the da that you provided is how do

184we use the mitigation fees. And one data you provided, they provided data to indicate that we've used pretty much some of this money to pay debt service, the cafeteria, expansion and things like that. I think there was a follow-up. So if you go, say those monies are no longer available, I support any remaining debt MAY opinion that this money MAY be potentially, you know, aligned to be utilized MAY opinion then be available to be utilized for that purpose. okay, DR. Fulton, debt service sxz so forth that is being mentioned by DR. Acabezo that comes out of general funds? capital. capital, okay. are you going to continue? yes, I was just going to say that the follow-up was requested by DR. Zeman and had an attachment from capital budget. You know, talked about it 22 million

185and then the line item by line item, school by school in terms of where the dollar amount that has been utilized for classroom addition and things like that. So I just wanted to specifically to that. To that line item. so should we design not to collect these fees, it will have a an impact. I'm going to say yes, but I want staff to appropriately weigh in on that. yes, so I'm going to ask MR. Shim to jump in here. I don't know how much debt is left to be paid, I don't have that data. That is going to be MR. Shim, but again, impact fees are still being required. So that means, you MAY be shifting some of the impact fees to be utilize for some of the aspects. So they MAY have to shift

186impact fees to then make up, if I'm correct but I think, pretty much that's what MAY happen. So omar, I don't know if you want to add any additional. thank you. Omar shim, in that follow-up it shows that we've made 23 million dollars since 2003. I know that's a large amount of money but that's a long period of time is what we collected and distributed to pay for debt and other capacity addition that's occur at the time primarily at that time. We look at what we have received historically, and we look at what the trend is and not necessarily predict when these things are going to come online. So we look more historically. So that's why you were provided a historic look at what mitigation fees have done and, and then the other information we

187provided in terms of, you know, what it went towards, so. That's really what the I am fact would be is that we lose that incremental amount and what we would pay for debt for those particular improvements. understand, so just looking at the attachment presented to me here. based on mitigation fees, received a new cafeteria, classroom addition for some schools like cooper and so on. So I just want the particular to understand how we spend mitigation fees that we collect. These are specific to schools, miramar, for example, classroom addition, pe facilities, all across the district. So are these the normal expenditures for mitigation fees that are collected? Is this fair to say that that's how we use the funds in addition to the debt service. mitigation and impact fees, typically addition, new schools by line. You

188can use it for all ansil ari. that's okay, you don't. I just wanted specific. So I have a few more questions. DR. Fulton, we talk about the school of hope and impact on capacity, can staff expound, should the school of program continue to expand how that will impact capacity and subsequently how that will impact us in terms of, releasing cities from impact current mitigation agreement fees? can you repeat the question again, I'm sorry. we talk about school of hope and how that impacts capacity. Should the school of hope continue to expand, how did that affect us if school of hope conditions to expand and we as a board decide to release the mitigation agreement completely for the nine cities here? if I might, gabriel, attorney. so is the school of hope is seeking security from

189your schools. If we have the agreement as we stand, basically the developments, if they come forward, if you have capacity, they'll be able to utilize that. If they don't have capacity, they just basically pay for what the current agreement pay for and be able to move forward if we release these agreements, we then go to the next idea that if there is capacity, they pay impact fee. Which MAY mean the developer MAY have to change. Because one MAY require us to build a classroom and they would have to pay for the classroom. So that would make them, redeveloper suppose or reconstitute or not move forward. MR. Gabriel, right, while you're still speaking and this will be my final question and hopefully, there is another round. I believe based upon my understanding as to what you're

190suggesting which is similar but slightly different, is your recommending to formally release or amend existing mitigation agreement with the cities and requiring school concurrency to continue and to look at each city individually, would that be fair to say? yes, sir, that would be fair to say. I believe each city should tell you not just a collective body that we have here, that they, to amend or release these agreements, it is a contract. We need each city, county and the school board to sign on those documents. So whatever the document is going to say, those three parties have to sign. correct and you're requiring that the school concurrency conditions as well, right? absolutely. There is no choice in that because that exist and the county's position is that it's the law of broward county. okay and

191I guess that differs in terms of I believe he's suggesting looking at the cities collectively as opposed to strijly, is that correct? ---- I'm saying the same thing, separate agreement to release or rescind or amend. They have individual agreements with the city and school board county. As to the concurrently it's part of the try. That is still manneded. I'm not saying anything separate but each agreement and each individual city will have to make that decision and based on that decision, then those agreements will be done whatever released individually, not collectively. got it t thank you, MADAM Chair. MS. Hixon. thank you, I just have one question. Because as you look at the chart there is a lot of development that has not happened and base on discussions that has not happened because the mitigation fees.

192we leader MR. Gabriel talk about senate bill 1080 a bunch. It has been codified into law, it's 163.3180 that became effective on OCTOBER 31, so it is now the law of the land as I understand it. That being said, I just want to make sure that myself and all my colleagues up here are clear. If in fact we decide to rescind these agreements or release these cities from these agreements and enter into new agreements, moving forward, we would be bound by this particular subsection of chapter 163. If we decide not to, that portion of the statute that was amended will not affect us because that is not retroactive, correct? that is correct, there is no language in the statute to make it retroactive. so, the only way 163 comes into play or I should say

1931633180 would come into play for us is if we entered into new agreements? So, I heard a lot about a lot of the growth in oakland park and that is encouraging to me, I'm glad to hear when cities are building and getting bigger and we're welcoming new folks to our county, not because -- not just because I want new neighbors but I'm hopeful those folks will bring children to our areas and we'll have the opportunity to educate them within our school systems. I do see the predicament that we find ourselves in. Apparently I'm hearing developers don't want to come in and develop because they don't want to pay these fees and therefore maybe they're looking at other parts of town or other different parts of the state which are problematic especially for smaller cities like

194the city of oakland park, so I understand the predicament. Surely everyone also understands the predicament this district is in, we're hemorrhaging money. I'm not going to go into all those details. I think we discussed that ad nauseam at our workshop yesterday, but clearly this district has been fiscally irresponsible for a very long time and we are starting to see the very real effects of that. So, I have a question and I would tliek pose it to one of the officials at oakland park. I'm looking at the presentation and I believe the number, the balance if you will that is owed from the city of oakland park is approximately 10 million if I'm looking at the two sub categories correctly. Someone please stop me if I'm using the wrong numbers. MR. Cervera, if tlas specific person

195that you want to address, speak into the mic.. commissioner, could you use the -- thank you. those are your staff member ins previous meet chastising do not match our information. do you agree? we don't agree with the total but those are the number of units that are unbuilt. are there numbers from years or are there monies from years past that you still owe this district? we do not owe the strict in the matter that the uniters have not been built. there's no outstanding balance? there's outstanding unit that is have not been built. Development having not occurred, they're still as part of the mitigation agreement over 10 thousand units that are still unbuilt as part of this -- of all the cities. perhaps let me ask this in a different way, so I fully understand. Based

196on the mitigation gaoement that's currently in place that the city is asking your release from, is this district owed any amounts of money today pursuant to the agreement that has been in place for these cities for ten plus years at this point? I'm going to defer to MR. Gabriel and MR. Acobuso because it depends whether these units were permitted, it depends on whether these 10 thousand units they're alluding to, where they are in the process. I'll try to answer it. So, under the concurrency program, the money is due, is calculated and due at the time you apply for building permit, these uniters that are o ut standing, they haven't applied for building permit, and you can't calculate what the number would be because at the time of building permit, you calculate whatever the impact would

197be because it changes on a regular basis on the dual nexus. what I'm trying to get at and for my benefit and perhaps for the benefit of public, if we were to let's say hypothetically speaking release the city of oakland park, I'm just using them as a mie thet cal because they were nice enough to show up today and I want to give them that respect, if we were to use the city of oakland park as an example and release from their agreement and work out some new arrangement, okay, there is no quote, unquote debt that would be owe today this district as of today, if we voted hypothetically today to release them from the agreement, would there be any debt that would be owed to this district from years past? I would answer you're

198correct, there would not be any debt but that assumes there's nobody coming forward and submitting for building permits that owes a payment. I just don't know that. if it's contingent on a permit application which a hasn't happened yet? there is no debt. so, if it's released today and then they move for permit applications tomorrow, there would be no debt, right? they would owe impact faoes according to the concurrency. Under the agreement. that's really where I'm getting at, thank you for the clarification, I apologize if it took long to get to the point. it was probably my fault. . Inger if you want to take the blame. Thafrjts's why I'm here. thank you, MRS. Alhadeff? thank you. I have a question on page 13, in 2025 -- comparing 2024 to 2025, there's a drastic difference with

199the mitigation fees, can anybody explain why? DR. Fulton? I'll start. Those are factual numbers and the source is the broward county data. As you noticed, we had correct in 2020 but we collected 2.9 million, then there was -- it started dropping from the number, the significant number is 2022, now, there's no specific explanation but again it MAY be that the developments that -- the barents has were being pulled for residential unit that is required mitigation, so maybe they just paid I78 impact fees, that's the only explanation I can give and omar, I don't know if you have additional. I don't know if there was a covid impact, we don't know if it lagged to 2022 but again I think the primary MAY be that some residential permits that were pulled maybe didn't pull for --

200didn't require mitigation fees. and are those mitigation fees for all 31 cities or counties? it's 9 cities. no, but -- the 10 cities on page 14 or you're talking about the 31 cities in broward county? no, we're talking about this mitigation fee is applicable to just the 9 cities. okay. So, -- okay, I understand. Now on page 14, I know you keep saying 9 but I see 10. What? I'm sorry, board member, oakland park has two local activity centers so it's 9 and 10, they're two separate, that's why you have 10, we counted oakland park as two but it's 9 cities. got it. So, I understand these 9 cities have come forward to ask to rescind their agreements, but what about the other 21 cities? I mean, if we say yes, we rescind these agreements,

201tomorrow I'm assuming 21 cities will also come back to ask for the same thing. How do you then decide to allow these 9 and not the other 21? We would have to do all of the cities in broward county to rescind the agreements, and then what is the financial impact of that? 100 million dollars? if I can, the listing of 10, there's 10 separate agreements that have -- that we ao f been talking about, the mitigation agreements. The other cities do not have separate mitigation agreements, that's why you don't see them listed and it wouldn't be ap -- the mitigation agreements wouldn't be applicable to them, all of the city and is the county are require today pay impact fees for any development that might occur within the district. That's difference. So, there's no additional

202cities that have been left out on this list. okay. so, alright, but it kind of also just opens up the can of worms, so if you rescind this for mitigation, then aren't they going to come back and say what about the impact fees, rescind that too? no, ma'am, they are responsible, everyone is responsible for paying impact fees under the county mitigation and I guess the the interlocal agreements, the concurrency agreements we have in place. The trial as it's called, you've heard that. so, if we rescind this on page 14, we'll lose close to 30 million dollars? that's a hypothetical number first of all t answer really is you're still going to connect -- assuming everything gets developed, you're still collecting impact fees soit's hard to pinpoint a number for that. That's potential. well, I can't

203support this to rescind these agreements without having better numbers to explain what we are getting ourselves into. I just -- this is -- we're in a really bad financial state. We can't afford to lose one million dollars, so at this point in time, this is -- and I don't think -- I just don't feel you are explaining yourselves well enough for us to be able to rescind these agreements, financially it doesn't make sense for broward county public schools at this point in time. Thank you. thank you, MS. Rupert? thank you. I support releasing the 9 cities of the mitigation fees that they have. We will still be getting the impact fees moving forward and the impact fees for the other 21 cities will still be in effect, am I correct in that? yes. which way

204do I turn? Okay, so yes, and you don't have a figure, for example, we've done this a year, no, that would be like apples to horses instead of apples to apples? well, development occurs on an irregular basis soit's hard to say from one year to another. You're seeing the mitigation information that MR. Acobuso provided, it's different every year. so, I don't want to belabor the fact but I do agree with dropping the mitigation fees that have been for these 9 cities and continuing on with the impact fees, thank you so much. if I can just throw out, so what would end up happening if we proceed in that release, whatever that change would be in a document does come back to a board in whatever fashion it would be, so for board approval, it would

205require again the city to participate, the board, the school board and the county commission for that purpose. and to be fair, the county and the planning council have already had a recommendation to o do that. yes, it is recommended that the agreements be released. I wanted to share that for the rest of the public that's not in the room here, so thank you so much. thank you, MS. Thompson? thank you, chair, and thank you to my colleagues for all your comments. I would agree with MS. Alhadeff, I am not in favor of changing anything at this time, thank you. thank you, MS. Bulman? thanks, chair, and thank you to everyone for coming out and speaking to us, great to see you guys. You know, I'm having a hard time with this because it's not clear

206to me really where we, you know, the conflict, DR. Zeman brought up the fact the city is also charging impact fees, we're charging impact fees, so I would like to hear -- we're talking about rescinding an agreement. If this is unfair in some way that we're supporting the schools by charging developers, I understand that it's having a negative impact in attracting developers, but I would like to hear what a reasonable compromise would be to this. Obviously you've heard from my colleagues and we read in the paper, we are in a dire financial situation right now, so, I feel like there's blood in the water for the school district and I too do not support giving up money that can be going to support our kids and it's not just because of fiscal irresponsibility, there's a

207lot of different forces acting on us right now that are taking money away from our kids. So, our position here is to make sure we're providing the best education we can can for our kids and that's our responsibility and our fiduciary duty to the school district, but to the point of developing affordable housing and the issues that are facing -- it seems unique to the city of oakland park. Does anyone have a suggestion for what would be a compromise because if the city's going to continue to collect their impact fees but we want us to get rid of ours, I don't see how that works. can I clarify. I'm not going to speak for dr. zeman, I think he said the cities apply -- not the impact fees, there's only one impact fee. everyone's collecting

208their part of the tax, whatever you want to call it, we're taking a part, we're taxing developers t city's taxing developers, so how does that look if we're all going to look at this collectively as some kind of a reasonable, fair way to move forward. what we presented to the board in JANUARY, right, and I think that's the middle of the road, the narrative has been is affecting housing affordability in broward county. Broward county has a certify asian process and we're part of that prosers, school board -- we do it administratively, we provide you a report twice a year telling you who's pretty much taking advantage, right, so you support waiving impact fees 100%. 50 thousand dollars per project, up to 75 thousand, it includes [Inaudible] Income, so the proposal administratively, not the board has

209said that we brought it in JANUARY, like, for example, the city of oakland park has units, townhouses, those are based on maximum, minimum three or more bedrooms, that is what it is, 200 of these units are affordable housing units, go through the process tha,'s what we said, go through the county's process, let it be certified, then we will agree they pay impact fees. Then the other component, 600 and whatever will be the [Inaudible] MR. [Inaudible] Still needs that money to pay that service and whatever else, I think that's middle of the road, it's not affecting ours in affordability because the code requires you to pay impact fees so I think that's the balance and we thought that that was offered to the city and the amendment tla the city refused but that's the only thing

210I can think about. Sofrjts, -- the affordable housing fortion portion of it, this is impacted by it, as well as how it stands right now, if you're developing affordable housing versus -- onlylyif those unitits are wiwiin t those boundaries. So, because there's designated boundaries. it's all about boundaries. correct. would there be an ability for us to really supportable housing units from the agreement -- he's looking at me. So, this is a conversation that we've had internally. When the city came asking to be able to give credit for affordable housing, we looked at what rules and regulations exist today to allow for affordable housing credits or whatever they MAY be and the county has a process to allow for that -- the board has a process, a rule that does allow for you to grant some

211kind of credit or benefit to affordable housing and it's up -- it could be up to the board as to whether you want to increase that credit or reduction of fee. Has's up to the board to do that independent of this discussion. That was what we talked about initially and we brought that to the city's attention that we would be willing to have that come to the board for determination if they were interested in processing something like that and they did not choose to. To the question you originally asked, what would we -- how could we potentially make this work for all of us, this would have been an amendment to the existing agreement to allow for the actual development that they were trying to do or that they did with the type of unit

212they really did, so that they wouldn't pay student station fees and they would only pay impact fees. Again, they chose not to do that, so whatever was on the books which was the payment of student station fees is what was paid. If they had come forward with the amendment which I still could happen again to some extent, there's issues associated with that since we moved on, that would have been something that would have worked. The other cities -- we've already offered to -- yes, administratively, they didn't take us up on the offer. okay. can you repeat that again. What did we offer? we had proposed an amendment which would have identified the particular units they were developing from the townhouse to multifamily, mid rise to multifamily which would have reduced the numbers and they wanted

213to develop affordable house, so we had indicated to the extent they were able to verify affordable housing, the county has a process for certification of affordable housing. An attorney couldn't accept a promise of affordable housing, I needed something to be on the record, that's what we suggested to be the process, we would accept that and give them kind of whatever benefit. I know the school district already has affordable housing, was it a credit or -- a waiver. It allows for a waiver and so that would have been something we would have considered or brought forward within that agreement to grant them that as well. tla would have -- the mitigation fee? that would have -- it would have reduced the payment that they made because the adjusted change in type of use would have significantly

214reduced the payment and then they would have gotten the waiver for whatever those units were that were certified for affordable housing as well. it was just resoundingly -- they didn't respond or didn't accept and we never processed it more than the discussion. I also submit it to the county attorney's office for their review and approval and it was accepted by the county attorney, again, this is administrative background that was happening. Nothing formal came forward to any governmental body. when did this happen? a couple of years ago now. we're talking like two years ago. like 2003? 2023 -- can you clarify real quick, so, the student generation rates for the different residential type is different. The student generation rate for a townhouse is higher than the student generation rate for [Inaudible] Rates, so those two rates

215generated by the car rent, 883 units that the city has for mid rise is going to be 53 units -- I mean, 53 students based on their bedroom mix if I'm correct if it's maximum. The student generation rate for -- because again they have not amended the agreement for 883 townhouses would generate 265 students. 883, the same number, the same residential type, why, the student generation rate is different. So, the student generation rate is in the calculation so, the cost per dwelling unit for the mid rise, if they had done the amendment, the current cost per dwelling unit for -- I'm going to go for say DECEMBER is about 2046 dollars per unit, because per student station for townhouse for the same number of units for DECEMBER is -- and again, these are the state

216numbers, it's 10287, so what MR. Gilbert say leading to, if they had the amended agreement to reflect the mid rise, because of the student generation rate and the number of students generated, their total number of mitigation fees would have been lower because it's a derivative of the student generation rate, so I'm just trying to -- and again everything is base on the student station cost, so the cost per dwelling unit for a townhouse today, maximum units is 10 thousand dollars plus per unit. For mid rise, the same DECEMBER is 2 thousand plus, so again it's a -- if it was amended, moving forward, you would have paid a lower cost. so, basically offering to amend to reflect what's being built now what was projected 20 years ago. correct, because -- which would reduce a significantly

217less fees to the city. correct. that's in addition to if you then take some of the units and say it's affordable, then we will say, okay, you don't have to pay that cost per dwelling, you pay impact fees, on top of that the school board will then waive the school -- student impact fee and that's offered. that seems seasonable to me. Is there a a rebuttal of why that's not -- I mean, just in the interest of trying to -- not that we're negotiating this right now, but I would just love to know why -- I will not go into all the details that occurred. I think my attorneys would do that better than I do, but there was offers on the table as far as the mitigation from the city that were not taken

218up by the school board also. Just to give you an example, the 2 thousand dollar fee, if you instead look at the impact fee for miz ride units, the majority over 6% of the units that are being built is $375 per unit soit's still a substantial increase and the certified affordable housing is over a 30 year period which MAY not be a marketable option for developers, our f our area is a lower income area so that would also have an impact so I will leave it at that for now. Thank you. alright, so I'll just leave -- I think that's all my questions. Thank you, but, you know, I would be open to hearing something that is a a reasonable resolution to this that's not -- I'm definitely not voting to do away with them,

219but I would be open to having some kind of further discussion so we can try to amicable try to resolve this, maybe everybody will not be happy but maybe everybody can live with a resolution going forward. Thank you. thank you, I would tliek go and then we can go to round two. I also want to thank the commissioners from oakland park, and all of the other city representatives who came here today and who have participated in this process over the last year, I got the 288 page transcripts and meeting minutes this morning, so I've been trying to get through those today, but, you know, I really appreciate everyone and our staff who came to the table to try to work this out and, you know, a year ago, we had this conversation, we directed staff

220to form a working group to come to the table with the cities and try to find a compromise, it does not appear that has happened. I have some questions and then I have some thoughts that I would like to work through with my colleagues. If we do not rescind the agreements or release the cities from the agreements, can we expect further action from the cities or the county? MS. Batista, is there any legal recourse we might have? I would like to defer to MR. Gabriel. we are continuing -- there was an impact fee payment, the county used to collect your impact fee directly and they have chosen to no longer do that and it's now on the school board -- the school district to do that. So, administratively, that was changed. And that came about

221because of the discussions we're having. Would the county come forward and do something kifrnt? The county has taken -- they suggested they would be willing to do the release but they've been neutral in any other kind of conversation that I've been involved in. Would the cities -- we've been -- we received certain -- I can't speak really for the district necessarily but we're aware of certain discussions about potential litigation relate tog the development of this sky building, it might be forthcoming. they're nodding their head in the background, soit looks like they would pursue litigation against us. I'm just being practical with you. Er I would say the answer is yes. I'm just being practical. I'm just curious, you said the county used to collect which fees? you had an min strait I ever agreement with

222the county to collect administratively all impact fees. so now that's on us. I'm just curious why wouldn't -- and maybe this is a dumb question, but why wouldn't the tax collector do that? because that didn't exist at the time. well, it does now. it does now, it was part of the building permit process so it was collected by the -- the county was the last step for getting a building permit so they had a follow through -- they had follow through step nrs the county would make sure the payment was made to make sure their ordinances were being followed as well, so they have given up that administrative process. That was for many number of years in place. I don't recall how long, to the county's point, they collected an administrative fee off of that

223that they took, just being candid. okay. Is the fact that we now collect those fees onerous on us? Maybe I'm misinterpreting t way that fact is being presented, the county did that in retaliation. I think they were trying to get ouft the conversation about impact fees and student station fees, the 1080 adoption of the -- got it so, is it onerous on us to collect those fees? you're not paying the 5% fee to the county. so, we started -- the county stopped collecting mitt igation fees OCTOBER 1. They started collecting impact fee NOVEMBER 19, we worked diligently with the county and we have set up our process and I think the payments are being paid deftly, it start widths the treasurers office, my guys get involved and capital budget, we worked with the county, had

224meetings with the developers, that's going very well. The county like what MR. Gabriel is alluding to, we had a 1982 agreement with the county. I really wanted a yes or no answer. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to -- we had the administrative fee that the county was charging when they were collecting. I guess my question was, how we had to hire extra staff to process these fees? not at this point in time. okay, thank you. in the follow-up requested by DR. Zeman, so it's tn26-014, there's a list of schools on page 1 and then a more detailed list of projects on page 2 and 3 but there are a lot of schools on page 2 and 3 that are not listed on page 1. So, can someone explain -- maybe I'm misreading it but I

225naoement seeing an explanation as to why. omar, do you want to -- yes. On page 1, it lists the schools that were directly paid for with mitigation fees and at the very bottom, it shows we paid debt service and so that -- the pages after show what the debt service was for, so it basically breakers down that we paid debt service for these schools. so, why wouldn't we -- if we're paying debt service and the mitigation fees are paying some of that debt service, why wouldn't those projects that are being paid or that we're doing debt service for, why weren't they listed in that initial page? they weren't paid for directly and so we're just listing out what we're paying for 234n that service. I guess the only thing you could do is prorate the

226amount that is's in there to whatever schools apply to it and then list it out as debt service. okay. And in the future, it would be helpful if that was more clear. Alright. Like my colleagues have stated already and, you know, one of the public speakers spoke to this, we are closing schools because of a massive budge shortfall, yesterday we were talking about 90 -- over 90 million dollars. So, one part of me asks the question, how can we responsibly cut off any revenue source to the school district? And I would ask my fellow elected officials if they would do the same if they were in that position for their city. I understand MS. Murero's point that developers don't buy land and then back out when they find out how expensive it is to develop

227but when we we are consistently told that developing isn't happening because of these fees, I would tliek have more evidence to that effect. Does development increase or decrease during an economic slow-down or a recession? DR. Fulton? staff? so, definitely the cost of construction, I guess you heard about the tariffs, because I guess the companies of a building is source from different places including internationally, so I mean I naoement an economist, I think DR. Zeman has -- let's have someone from our budget office -- I feel like I know the answer, I'm asking for some feedback though. yes, I mean, it -- it's an economic smroe-down. I think we remember 2008 and what that was like down here. So, I just -- I ask that question because there are, you know, there are some opinions by

228leading economists out there we are heading into an economic slow-down and when we are in economic slow-down, does the revenue increase or decrease? decrease. decrease, yes. I also want to remind everyone because the issue of impact fees was brought up by one of my colleagues. Several years ago, we voted -- not everyone on this board, many of us on this board voted to not increase impact fees has we were allowed to increase. So, I think all of that information is important in th context and I'll end with, you know, onrerefrain I hear consistently from commissioners all over the county is our concerns about our school facilities and I see many of them at the ground breaking and ribbon cuttings for the improvements to our schools and these -- I'm looking at the list for oakland

229park and these fees have been able to fund improvements that oakland park elementary, rick adder, north -- rickards, north andrews gardens, there's a list of 38 schools, so I really appreciate the difficulty that our cities are in with regards to these fees but I would like some of that same grace when it comes to our financial situation and also we are doing our best to try to make sure that our facilities are top notch, high quality, clean, dignified places for our students to learn and it cost money to do that. So, you know, I wish that the working group had been able to come to some sort of agreement and compromise as MS. Bulman has been talking about. I really don't know where we ego from -- go from here, a year has been spent

230on this. I feel like last time we met, we were -- the board was getting very conflicting information from staff and from the cities. I feel less so now this time around but again I ask the question, how can we responsibly cut a source of revenue when we are in a 90 million dollar shortfall? I have MS. Hixon up to speak and DR. Zeman if anybody would like a second ro round. I have a thought, suggestion, and I'll explain why. So, I think maybe a way to compromise and to get some of the data we've been asking is maybe suspend the mitigation fee for a year, maybe two years and see if that allows development to happen and the reason that I say that is if you just look quickly, let's say that a high

231rise, I know it costs way more than this, I'm just calculating, is 250 thousand dollars, that means taxes collected on that would be around $2,500 and for the first one, city of plantation would have 122 high rises on the little chart we had, so this f they would collect thousand dollars, that's per year, so if the mitigation fees are the reason why we're not developing, let's give them a year to see if suspending them brings in more development which would then give us taxes which balances -- because right now we're not getting anything because no one's developing anything according to the cities based on the mitigation fees, so if we were to just see and do a little experiment and say, okay, for the next year or two websinger ear suspend them we're not going

232to get rid of them completely, if development happens, then we could come back and have this discussion again because we would have data that we released the mitigation fees and now development is happening because I think nothing's happening right now. We could talk about it forever and keep the mitigation fees but you'll only see the city of dania and city of fort lauderdale has move today the possible developing units because everyone else according to what we're hearing, the fees are keeping that from happening, so I would be okay with maybe suspending them for a year, maybe two years to see if that changes it and then come back and have this discussion again if nothing changes, then you would get rid of that whole argument, well, the mitigation fees are what are causing them not

233to develop but we can't really look at that but we're not getting anything right now because no one's developing, so I would like to offer that as maybe a suggestion for a compromise. thank you, DR. Zeman? thank you so much, chair. I just want to really be clear here, we ever collected 22 million dollars worth of education mitigation agreement fees. There's been building going on. So, unfortunately there's maybe -- maybe this took a long time and it invited a whole bunch of emotion into this conversation, we collected a lot of these things. What I would be interested in finding out from the board right now is whether or not we want to -- there's kind of two options besides waiving these fees and I can count to five so I don't see the board wanting

234to waive or rescind these fees, but there is two kind of responsible policy options, one, that I propose chair is we change the policy we have right now on certified affordable housing to increase the credit equal to the amount of the education mitigation agreement. I think to MR. Cervera's point, that would be a cute way to change a policy without having to rewrite the contract and not trigger the new legislation but I believe personally that every organization in broward county ought to be doing everything they can can to accelerate affordable housing, that is good for our teach and he iser our staff if there are lack of properties in low income areas, but I think that's one option. The other option is to be honest with the cities. I don't understand why they're paying an

235education mitigation agreement fee on a townhouse when they're bidding mid rise units. I'm tired of getting beaten up by county by saying they're building one bedroom, I would be interest ined the board's willing to sdo na as well. If you're building mid rise, pay a mid rise fee, don't pay the townhouse fee and I like being honest with my partners in broward county, I don't like charging an exorbitant fee, that cuts the fee by 75% if I'm doing the math correct, so to me, chair televising's two options goin forward besides saying yes or no on rescition, one is to change the policy to increase the credit equal to the amount of the education mitigation agreement amount so all they -- they wouldn't -- isles, MR. Akagbuso, are they paying the impact fee for certify add

236affordable housing? . Inger no, those are being waived 00 %. I love that and again, its's hard to get a developer to find land that does affordable house, particularly in a downtown area like these, but if somebody can do it and I know we're doing it in pompano beach swre, a p3 going websinger ear building 90 something, I forgot the number, affordable housing units for broward county employees, that's going to be a hell of a project, but chair, I think we could see if we have consensus on those two as a form of xropz, the first I think is it's just smart for all of us o increase housing stock, we don't have enough housing supply in broward county, the second, I don't know how my colleagues would feel about this, I would be in

237favor of -- to MR. Gabriel's point, I think this would be an amendment to the agreement and it would add mid rise units thao those areas which 20 years we didn't envision them building, I naoement going to cast dispersions but I don't like the fact we charge them for three bedrooms and it generates what it looks like 200 students when in reality they're building one bedroom and that shouldn't generate the same o number of students so I'm going to proffer, one is on "ard fobl housing and on creating an honest contract with the city so they're paining for what they're building. so, because we have several other people who would like to speak, as you comment, if you're able to give some direction whether or not you're looking to release or not -- some of

238you have, some of you have not, but also if you would like to weigh in on suspending the agreements as MS. Hixon suggested and the credit for affordable housing and amendment to add mid rise as DR. Zeman suggested. if I might just clarify that, the suggestion was to amend the agreement for the actual development, not necessarily for mid rise, but for whatever the ak which will development being proposed. for actual units, yes, sir. which is what we had suggested. and also I wanted to -- if the board feels that the appropriate action will be to suspend, that cannot be a unilateral agreement or change on our part. it's more than that, it has to be an amendment to the agreement, but it would go against what would be the county's impact fee regular laces. So,

239that would require ordinance changes by them and other things but you could suggest that, that would take time. so, just keep those things mind as you weigh in, DR. Zeman? can I vote just to save some time? give me some feedback. Er my suggestion, chair, would be no on release, no on suspend and largely the no on suspend because they built a lot, this is not -- it's just not true that nobody's built under this agreement and then affordable house, yes, and yes on get thing the units right, amend for actual units to MR. Gabriel's language. okay. Thank you. We have MS. Bulman. thank you, chair, no on release, no on suspend, amend agreement tos reflect what's actually being built and I agree with the affordable housing waiver. I do have a question about affordable

240housing, when DR. Zeman said certified affordable housing, I know affordable housing is a complicated concept and so, you know, with tax credit and all of the other -- how are we determining what is affordable housing for these purposes? it's very simple, part of our process, we don't determine, we get a certification from broward county so, the county does -- and let my clarify, MRS. Bulman, to what MR. See mra n was saying, it nights the rez dshl time, it's the income level time. there's tax credit, there's statutes and different ways you can get -- I'm probably getting in the weeds, so that's okay. And then I wanted to comment just very quickly on our chair's comments, I really appreciate that, thank you for kind of painting that picture and you know j usz to our

241municipalities, we're all in this together and there's a lot of forces constringing on us, our municipality, our saol district and everybody that plays a role in raising our children, making this a great place to live. I hope we can all collaborate together and help each other because we all benefit from when we're working together instead of fighting over these things so I agree with DR. Zeman and hopefully we can reach a settlement. MS. Bulman, I didn't capture it. Nofrjts release, no suspend, yes on waiver for affordable, certified affordable housing and have the impact fees what's -- a tighter unit that's being built. thank you. DR. Holness? thank you, MADAM Chair, so MADAM Chair, I'm going to give my feedback on the four areas and I also want to provide some conclusive comments as well. I

242would say no on release, no on suspend, yes on affordable housing and also yes on amending agreement for actual units. I think it's just decent and honest that we do have agreement for the actual units as opposed to cities avenging to pay for what they're not actually building. So, yes on amendment for actual units. I also want to say I concur with chair leonardi that everyone is aware, it is no secret that broward county schools, we have a huge budget shortfall and, you know, the question remains, are we being responsible as board member leonardi mentioned to cut any funding source when our financial problems are so grave. You know, the school district is not against our cities, we value our cities, we value the relationship. I know in district 5, I value all of the

243cities in my district. I believe all of the board members share the same sentiment. We value our cities as partners and ensuring the thriving of our communities. We are connected and as board member bulman mentioned, we are in this together. A wonderful singer of mine passed away, jimmy cliff that says we all are one, and, you know, as a city, as a school district, we don't function independently, we are connected. We are all one. So, when schools do well, our cities do well and when schools in your cities do well, your cities also will do well. So, we are bonded together with different but similar goals and I just want to let you know that regardless of our decision here today, just understand that we're interconnected and we value the relationship and we want to

244continue to have a strong relationship with our cities but we also want you to understand where we are as far as our financial constraints and also understand we are interconnected so whatever decision is made today also men -- benefit our cities today and tomorrow going forward. thank you, MRS. Thompson. Er I think my colleague said it pretty beautifully that we are interconnected. I also just find it incredibly hard to believe that it is stalling development when you drive around and see all these high rises coming up, all these apartments throughout the county and it's just disheartening to hear that we've tried to come to the able and the cities aren't interested and it's also the fact that the chair mentioned there was an opportunity for us to raise impact fee and is we didn't. And

245if this is how we're working as a unit, broward county is going to fail as a whole. If it's going to be cities against the cities t county board against the school board, it is not going to function and we have outside forces trying to tear us apart, property taxes trying to tear us apart, so I understand the frustration that you guys are feeling. , however, I am not interested in any changes and we also do already offer affordable housing waiver. Is that correct? that's correct. so, I don't really know what changes we could do there, but again, I am not interested and I am a little disheartened by this whole conversation. Thank you. thank you. So, I would like some clarity around the credit for affordable -- I feel like we've heard two different

246things, I heard there wasbacker there is a credit for affordable house, but earlier in this conversation, there is something we could be doing around affordable house, so first I would like to clarify what -- I would like some clarity around that. so, currently t school board has a resolution, I don't have the actual number right now, whereby the school board set aside funds of 5 thousand dollars, it's an administrative process, first come, first serve. 50 thousand dollars per project, if it's a very low income, low income, but if it's a very low income, low income moderate, then it's 75 thousand dollars per project, school impact faoes, DR. Zeman seemed to be saying increase it to include mitigation fees. So, I just -- that's the clarity, so currently it's just strictly school impact fees. The difference

247is if you want to make that -- if mitigation is due, then it covers the mitigation. okay. And then the proposed -- aisle -- I'll call them amendments from DR. Zeman, so say the majority of the board says, yeah, go ahead and pursue those amendments. Those don't just automatically happen, right, like the city -- walk me through that process briefly. the process, I'm sorry, we've followed is the city technically presents to us what they're intended, what they would like, we incorporate that, we create the amendment, I walk it through with the count tu attorney's office to make sure they're in agreement with what we're doing and submit it back to the city for their review and approval. Once it's acceptable to them, it goes to the city first for formal adoption by the city commission,

248council, whatever that MAY be and it come tos the school district for your review and approval and then it would go to the county for final approval by the county and then it gets recorded. so, in terms of next steps, so way we give direction, we want you to pursue those amendments, what is a reasonable time line, say the city says, no, we are not open to those amendments, what happens then? for example, we have on the table already coconut creek came to us and said -- the city council said they ve a prprececthey woululd iek do and thth woululd likeketoto prest, ththey epareded e e opososed amdmdmt fofor ustoto review. We have set it aside for the time being to hear what was happening first. so, the question I'm asking, say we give you

249that direction, in a month, do you come back to us in a board workshop, in a board -- is there an item, like how does that work? well, if I follow that path we typically would do, ld take a month to get the city to give us what they want, for us to write up what that agreement would be, for the county attorney's office to accept it, then go back to the city for formal adoption, formal approval, it's a three party agreement, that would be the first step, it would come back to you, it's probably two to three months and that's assume thing the city is willing to do it which we heard -- that's what I'm saying, say the city, let's play this scenario out, say the city of each town says no, we

250don't want that, then what happens? How is the board notified? well n this particular case, after this, if we know we only have one city that's really -- I would reach back out to them and see the if we can't come to some understanding of what an amendment would look like. If we aren't trying -- going o do that, I wouldn't try to write something that is going to be rejected and then I would give you a response as a board that they're not willing to consider an amendment. I mean, I'm seeing some commissioners shake their heads in the back, so I really would like us to pursue amendments but I don't want to waste time and money. So, like I just want us to be clear eyed about what is possible moving forward. I

251support the amendments but if we're going to get a big no from everybody, then I don't -- you know, yeah. I believe that maybe there's an opportunity. So, the interlocal agreement that a dispute resolution process that says that if they're unable to come to a conclusion administratively, there is a procedure you follow that bring it is bodies together for purposes of resolving whatever that dispute would be. It might be bring thing city of oakland park and their council with you here today, whether that would be beneficial or not. but it's -- correct me if I'm wrok, it's not a dispute, it's up to us whether we want to release the cities from the agreement or not, correct? if you do nothing, we continue on, the developers come forward, they pay their fees or they don't

252get building permits, somebody sues us. okay. MS. Alhadeff, any other comments or questions you would like to ask? just no o to all the amendments, a no. okay. Any of my other colleagues would would like to speak, MS. Rupert? a lot to digest here. It would have been nice to know that we had an option to be able come to the table with perhaps a group ourself, you know, as a corporate board, not like by ourself which would be helpful. The release, I'm reversing. The suspension, I'm a maybe on that. And as for the third and the fourth, I don't really see how that's going to be much different, we ever been explained that we already have the option to do the affordable housing and asking someone to be honest as the truth for the

253mid rise, that's what we were asking for everybody to do. I would hope that every governmental entity would be honest without putting that into writing and I prefer to believe that people have good in their hearts. There's that for me, I'm a no on the release, the other two, I don't see the point in that and honestly suspending, if they've already said -- it doesn't make any sense to the do the suspension, so I'm a no on all four. okay. Any other -- so, just so we understand, I've been able to capture and staff, correct me if I'm wrong, or colleagues, correct me if I'm wrong, I have a majority of the board opposed to releasing or rescinding the mitigation agreements. I don't have -- I have a majority of the board opposed to suspending

254the agreements. I don't have a majority of the board in support of either of the amendments proffered by DR. Zeman. We have I think four people in support of the credit for affordable housing and four for the actual units, so if anyone else would like to weigh on who is not -- otherwise we won't move forward with any of them. MR. Cervera? thank you, chair, if I MAY, I want a little bit of clarity because maybe I missed something. DR. Zeman's recommendation about amending the agreements to reflect what's actually being built. I guess something that I'm trying to wrap my head around here is when I'm looking at the potential financial impact of rescinding these agreements, specifically page 14 of the slide, we apparently are given numbers here focusing specifically on oakland park again, just

255because those folks were nice enough to come today. I'm looking at numbers here that I'm being told are not -- I guess actually real for a lag of a better term because no permits have been sought after. So, with my colleagues suggesting -- suggestion to amend these agreement tos reflect what's actually being built, I'm assuming that if that were to be done, we would receive a document or data showing us what's ak hull owed. So, here is sort of my issue that I'm struggling internally with. We are being asked to decide something without having the actual data. Right now what's being presented is a hypothetical figure, let's just call it 10 million dollars. Now, everybody b knows my position about the school conservatives on this board and making sure the district is doing everything in

256its power to not be giving up money or not spending money improperly. I guess the problem I'm having with this is what if the number when it comes back is let's say hypothetically 2 million dollars and oakland park says, you know what, we're willing to pay that or we're willing to do, you know, 95% of that or something and in exchange for that, maybe we can leave it, this is how it is, I don't know what's going to happen, but I think my point s chair, I think we're operating off of date that's miep -- hypothetical and I would like to know raw, actual whole numbers before making any kind of concrete decision. Could it change things? Possibly. I don't know, maybe they come back and it's 50 million dollars, I have no idea, but

257I don't like to guess. I don't like being presented with hypothetical or numbers that are not quite frankly absolute. So, I understand why it was presented in this fashion and I certainly appreciate DR. Zeman's suggestion about reflecting this on what's actually being built. I'm hearing this is going to take us three or four months to amend had to reflect those numbers. Was that accurate or did i misinterpret a comment that was made before? to the extent that someone came forward and we war making an amendment to one of the mitigation agreement, it would take two to three month tos get back to you. how do I get the actual data? page 14 is showing you right now what are the approved residential units that has actual data and of that total amount, what remains unbuilt

258which means that nobody -- no developer has come forward to develop those units, they're remaining as part of the pool. okay, so I guess -- and listen, I -- I'm not a numbers guy, the f I was good at math and science, I would have gone to med school. Here's what I want to fully understand, we'll call it the 10 million in column 9 and 10 for oakland park, on the slide, page 14, that ten million dollars, none of that money is actually owed, I think we went through this the last time I was address thing panel. that's correct. it's not owed because no building permits are pending. Okay. So, I mean, do we know one way or another if anything is forth come? Ing it is the city's obligation to notify the district when

259that is occurring and they wouldn't know until then. can I add to that? please. Er so, those numbers, the remaining built, those are the actual total number of units in the current agreement, so if the cities want to move forward today to build those, right, they will move forward to build those, if the city says, you know waxer I want to change those unit tos a different type or bedroom makes, they have to amend those, that's what's in place. There's this place called horizon, so so the city currently today, 883 townhouses, that's what the agreement allows them to build, but if they want to do mid rise, they'll have to change the agreement to reflect mid rise and the bedroom mix, that's what it is alluding to. So what you have in front of you

260remaining on built specifically is a delineated agreement, oakland park, the 883 is maximum and three or more bedroom townhouse tha,'s what's in the agreement websinger ear not reflecting anything that's not in the agreement. If the city want tos change that, they would have to amend it to reflect either some number of mid rise unitess, some number of townhouse, then a bedroom mix tha.'s what we're saying, so based on the agreement, they mover forward because those are recorded and that's what they legitimately can go to the county for. Without the agreement right now today tha,'s what's in the agreement. If you want to change it, they have to amend the agreement to reflect what they can build. Hopefully that clarifies it. it does, and I thank you for that. Chair, here's my thoughts. I'm on the

261fence. I am on the fence. I'm looking at this data and I'm hearing what our counsel is telling us and I'm hearing what the city is telling us and I haven't made up my mind yet. And that's where I'm at today. soy sdsh soy eel just in an effort if there's a desire sto mover forward with any amendment, I have one person, MS. Hixon, in support of suspending, I have DR. Zeman, MS. Bulman, DR. Holness and myself in support of pursuing the affordable housing amendment and amendment to change the agreement to reflect actual units, I have DR. Zeman, MS. Bulman, DR. Holness and MS. Rupert in support of that. Sorry, go ahead. just to clarify, if we went with that particular -- on that avenue, to MR. Cervera, DR. Cervera was on point here, we

262wouldn't know until someone comes, like a developer comes to can -- we wouldn't be amending those agreements until we actually had an -- they had an offer to develop something, so right now we're not going back in the next two months and amending an agreement for development that's not happening, it would have to be when there's actually a proposal to develop. that's absolutely correct. we would be doing it in real-time to amend it. I think what we're voting on is like a policy moving forward, if we want to adopt a policy to negotiate that going forward rather than sticking to what was agreed with in 2005. Thank you. MADAM Chair, can I piggyback, again, what you have today, if you want to amend, the process explained was the city will go through the process, it's

263codified, the city takes action, then it comes before you then to amend, so you already have that process to amend to what they want to desire to change the current mix is, tla's what I want to clarify. okay. Well, it does not look like there's consensus to do anything other than to not release or amendment did MRS. Hixon get a chance to share her thoughts? I did, I'm for suspending on a couple year basis and collecting some data. and how about the option on affordable and for actual units? I've given everyone multiple opportunity, she did not raise her hand or go ahead, MS. Rupert? Fshlgts I have a question again, don't we currently have an affordable house -- I think that's been litigated multiple times. I think we do and we don't. okay. so, that's

264what my take away has been. okay, so yeah. I'm always up for affordable housing and would continue what we're already doing. so, I guess there is consensus to move forward with trying to seek some changes around a credit for affordable housing. Is staff clear on DR. Zeman's proposal for that? just, MADAM Chair, thank, I need to be clear on that because, number one, the current resolution, that means we will have to bring a resolution to the board to increase -- to modify language in the resolution because right now the resolution establishes the dollar amount as 475 thousand for impact fees, so pretend that resolution says potentially increasing that dollar amount or adding language that specifically says any time there's a mitigation fee due, they waive the mitigation fee 100% because right now the impact fee

265is 100% tha,'s the clarity. Meaning we have to bring the resolution to pretty much state mitigation fee, waive the 100% if due in addition to -- for affordable housing, that's the clarity I would like to v. Rufrjts asking us for additional clarity. well, I want to reaffirm if that's what the board is saying. I believing that is what we are saying, yes. And I will add myself to the list to seek some changes so that we reflect the actual units that are being built. I think that we flexed to set a timeline on this because I don't want to wait another year and have the same workshop in a year, so if we can have something back within 60 days, is that feasible? Have some answers? the resolution should be fine. the resolution should be

266easy to do. yeah, we just present resolution to the board at a board meeting for board to then -- because right now you have a resolution, that guides the administrative process, so just to -- do I need a resolution to reflect what the body is saying and that can be brought forth to -- if you want, the JANUARY or FEBRUARY meeting. I have an idea about that, chair. The cities that I've talked to which is five of the nine suggested that we could work together on the first step, so instead of us wait ifinger the cities to put together the amendment, we could put together some temporary language or call a meets next week to see if we can do it websinger ear asking the cities to reduce the fees, to increase more revenue to

267broward county schools because of that development, so this is in general like just in terms of good economic development, this is a good deal and I think, chair, both the affordable housing and the appropriate units both got five votes, is that right? yes. thank you, but I think that if we like proactively work with the cities, we might be able to do it faster so I'm suggesting the chairs kind of make best speed on that if that's a reasonable kind of way to move forward, it would be great to get this done. MRS. Bulman? I agree with DR. Zeman, and I think that we need to have some kind of an agreement in place with the cities that they would want to go forward with this since we don't -- since -- if we're dealing

268with -- if we're goipg to look at what the actual units are being built and it's not going -- we're not going to have anything in front of us until we have a proposal, then perhaps we need a memorandum of understanding or some kind of -- that we're going to work in good faith to do that going further as a policy change with impacted cities. if I MAY. we currently have that ability to amend, tla's already existing. but you can amend any agreement, but in terms -- we'r'radoptingng pocy ---- if thcititi bebecause ththey're shaking ththeir he,, if they don't want to do it it, we MAY as well know what they want to do or don't want to do, if they want to explore that policy going forward, then we can have a memorandum of

269understanding that's what we'll do and amend it when it becomes appropriate because you would have to amend to reflect the actual project, right? yes. they're not willing to do it. I guess it's a mute point then. so, if I can, for the affordable housing, that's an internal administrative matter for you as a board. If you want to adopt a resolution that sets out -- if you meet certain criteria, the board authorizes -- we'll do the affordable housing, but the -- the developer doesn't have to approve that. in termser of projects that reflect the actual units being built, it would just be a policy. it's already in place. That has come forward and they'll get credit for it. I'm not talking about affordable housing, I'm talking about regular house tog reflect -- we can get the

270cities to in concept agree that's what we're going to do, amend the agreement when they have development. na's the process we've been following frankly, if they're willing to follow it, yeah. If they're not willing, we are where we are today candidly. so do you have your direction or are you still unclear? I think we're in the same place we were when we started. in terms of the resolution, I think we have direction on that. Er in terms of the amendment, it's already in place, that's the process we explained in the presentation. I was -- for anyone who is listening behind me would pay attention to the&sing give us some help in trying to resolve the problem, that we are willing administratively to do it and the board desire tos have some kind of opportunity or

271option that we'll work for both parties, all parties. It's not occurred. so, let me try to land the plane here. I think I'm hearing from several of my colleagues, we're not like super interested in a resolution, we are trying at one last attempt to come to a compromise with our municipalities, and my colleagues can please let me know if you object to this but I think we want to give you a certain period of time to go back to the cities and if that's in the form of the working group or some other way, you know, within 60 days, try to work out what we've discussed in this board meeting that is now a public meeting, everybody can go back and listen to see our position and if the cities aren't willing to work with

272us, then we'll move forward from there. Does anyone object to that approach? Gofrjts ahead, MS. Hixon? anyone else? I'm just saying I object. anyone else? Okay. So, are we clear now? we're clear, we're going set up a mitigation education group to formally f discuss, tribe and have minutes and come back to the board. thank you. thank you so much. do we need f need to recess the meeting or are we ready to move -- okay. I'm hearing we need to recess for five minutes and then we'll mover -- mover -- move on to the next workshop. (Meeting in recess). welcome back, the next item is outstanding student meal debt. I'll turn it over for staff presentation. mary mul der, food and nutrition services, I have staff with me, I have mark bills with finance, christina

273ramirez on my right with meal benefits, we have randy who's with the it support in food service and tam ra, a who's our kler skal support. This presentation I begin that, I would tliek address the two questions that came up this morning, I was driving in, I did hear those two questions, the first question referred to social security numbers, if I remember correctly, at several of our board meetings and workshops, we had mentioned and again with dac because we have been attending drk ac meetings and we have explained social security numbers are not required by usda, there is a box on the application that states that the parent or guardian has no number, they just check the box, they make a check mark and they say no social security number. The entire 9 digit social

274security number is not required. The application only asks for the last four digits websinger have relayed to tha to dac in writing and have atoned the meetings, we have meal benefit designees of all schools who have the exact same information, so if there is a concern with the specific school board member and that information not getting out, if you could please e-mail me directly so that we know where that communication is getting lost but we have covered that. The second topic had to do with special diets and not having special diets available. We have two registered dietitians that are on staff and they work directly with parents and with doctors and along with the manager at the actual school. in order for someone to have a special diet, they must have a doctor's note on

275file. So, I just want to make sure the public understands if someone is on a special diet, that could be a glue t en diet, pureed, our dietitians confirm with the parent and that is input at the point of sale. A yellow box appear and is it will say gluten-free, it will say chopped, pureed, those diets are available. Dp -- if that's not happening and even the names of the schools, we flow the students and what their attendance were, and I think those were the only two questions from this morning. For this afternoon's presentation, it's a little bit early, this presentation was originally requested by the board for a JANUARY date but we're monitoring aitz we told the board we were going to do and what you see up on the board is the outstanding

276meal debt. If question go to slide 2. So, originally the first set of guidance has to do with -- this meeting we're requesting additional guidance from the board t first six slides go into us asking for guidance on students outstanding debt. On slide 3, I review the transition plan or what the transition was, we were serving meal cep and universal free pilot, after that, we were transitioning back, the first 30 days of the school year, the food service department covered meals at all cost and is we still have breakfast at all costs. Next slide, I review all the different malingering avenues that we have worked on since MAY, the media releases, television interviews, social media, wenbacker websites, principals have sent out pivot moem mows, we've had scripts go out with districts and with principals, we've

277had community outreach e vets and is there's a meal designee at each location, not only can they call the district office call center, now only can they call the school, there's a meal benefit designee assigned. Page 5, we go back to AUGUST, it was an agenda item that the school board passed, extremely generously from the school board allocating $500 per school. In that board agenda item, there was a hot courtesy meal, the board direction was no trashes should be removed from a child and we have followed that, we have had no situations in which a tray has been removed from a child. That being said, there was also a conversation about additional funding, we do have the broward education website set up, local business and community partners, so the goal was to have our principals

278work with their partners and see if they could secure some funding for meal debt. Page 6, there's a list of the top donors. As of the 17th of NOVEMBER, there's only been about 7800 dollars from the public donated for meal debt. MR. Hepburn donated, slt donated, we listed additional donor and is we had another one come from coral springs, question ear just at about $7,700. Next slide on page 7, daily functions. So, once the agenda item passed, we put some stop gaps in place so we could allow the students to charge but that we could remind the parents they needed the pay those monies back. On a daily basis, the principals received a principal summary report which will list all the students they have charged, they meaning the parents receive a parent link message daily

279monday through friday excluding weekends and holidays telling them they owe money, that's from the food service count as well as the principal account. in addition to that, principals have been reaching out along with the guidance counselors, social workers and meal benefit designees to contact family that is have outstanding charges. The reason we put tla in place is because we wanted to ensure the families understood we are back on the plan prior to covid which is the national school lunch program, collecting meal benefit applications. We've been working over two months on this current plan, we're running into some major challenges and those challenges are becoming very difficult for our school principals because at times they're turning into collection agencies, they continue to call families and the families are not responsive. In addition to that, we have

280parent that is are coming back to us saying, well, if the school board said they're not going the take a tray away, why should I pay, so it's a catch 22 situation we're encountering, we have several principals that have asked and several chairs saying we should go back to certain obligations because the families are taking advantage of the generosity and the intention of the school board. Charges continue to increase. If we go to page 8, there is some data will but I do have updated figures. If we look at bullet point, second from the bottom, the total out stabbing meal debt was 252 thousand, as of this morning, it's upto 307070, cocontinuetos increaseokay, and that is allowing students to charge, not taking trays away at the point of sale. Now, again, these are all paying

281students meaning they are not qualifying for snap, they're not qualifying for tanif, the f they do not have to complete a meal benefit kaition, it is up to the parent whether they want the complete it. If parents choose not to complete the application the, can always pack a lunch or they can send the money in order to pay for the lunch. On page 9, we talk about additional funding. You will see on the second bull met point, we're talking about almost 688 thousand dollars if we forecast through our model of how much in addition funds would be needed in order to maintain the direction of tha the school board asked us to go to in AUGUST which was extremely admirable, the goal was to feed children, we're running into some challenges. And it is coming

282out of the general fund, if you remember in AUGUST, we spoke about it in JULY and in AUGUST that the food service department cannot cover the cost of a meal for students and we did confirm that with the usda at the state level. On page 10, we speak of the recommendations. The potential turning all the charges to obligations so that families would have to pay the charge off before non-academic activities were attended by students. This was a prior practice, this was prior to covid, happened at all of our high schools, we rolled over obligations in elementary and middle schools continually. We're also suggesting that in high schools, we go back to a courtesy sandwich, we use our no nut butter sandwich, the principals are asking for that also because the debt is increasing and the

283families are not paying back. Ing another recommendation is for the board to supply additional funding which MAY not be the best option based on what we heard yesterday. What we're concerned with is that it's this catch 22 situation that we just keep spiraling and out of the generosity of what the board, what the department, what we all had discussed that the response from the parents is not the way that we had anticipated it would move forward. the money that was provided by the school board is in the account but obviously it's already exhausted. If we go to the appendix, you'll see there's numerous appendices, these are information requested by the board and it includes the amount of meal applications has have been processed, it includes the outstanding charges, charges by school in addition to the

284outstanding charges per school, we are also posting that on our website and that's under meal benefits, we post every week the schools and the charges so the public is aware of what is happening. My concern is not only for the student meals but the principals are now being charged with trying to collect monies from families and there's been a lot of pushback on that and that's because we did say we would feed students, not take trays away, extremely admirable, but the public is proceeding -- pursue hating in a different manner. We're asking the board members for guidance on how to move forward and what you would like us to implement. Again, this presentation was scheduled to occur in JANUARY and we are early on it because we see the numbers going up. There was a

285board referral in OCTOBER, you'll see as an attachment or an appendix, you willing see also -- will also see there was a memo in NOVEMBER because we saw things escalating, we are here and we're requesting guidance and we would like to implement what the will of the board is. thank you, is that the conclusion? Thank you very much. thank you. thank you for your time and your service. I have MS. Thompson. thank you, chair. And thank you, staff, for all your work on this. I think obviously this was my original item and it's disheartening to hear that it naoets going as intended. I had some follow-up questions. So, if we are switching away from a courtesy meal, would that still happen in elementary school as well or is there a way to maintain at the

286elementary school level that it's still a hot meal? that would be at the will of the board websinger can transition back to high schools not having charge and is offering the courtesy sandwich. We can extend that to middle schools also and let elementary schools go for another month or so and see what happens. They are smaller children, they MAY not have that same interaction with staff or they MAY not have the ability in the family for the family to convey what's going on, there could be a triangle happening. So, we could set that aside and then just come back to the board in FEBRUARY with the elementary schools and just move forward with the middle and the high schools. Again, my concern is for the principals. are you getting concerns from the principals like what

287are you hear framing all of them, or -- good question, so I speak with the level chairs who then speak with the principal grouses deftly. The concern with the principals, they see these dollar amounts going up and they don't know how they're going to pay that off. Their business partners are not coming forward and those funds are being directed in other areas and their guidance counselors or social workers are reaching out to parents and are not getting positive feedback or no response at all. do we know what the cost -- the estimated cost for just maintaining the hot meal in elementary school? Or could that get back to us? Jts we'd have to get bag on that, we forecasted 688, 688 thousand for the rest of the school year for elementary, middle and high, we'd

288have to break that out and see if if we could get that to you. would you have an estimation of what -- because I'm assuming the majority -- the majority of our schools are elementary schools, so d correct, out of the 307, there's only 127 thousand that's elementary schools, middle schools are 66 thousand and high schools are 105 thousand that are owed. So, maybe 300 thousand. on a semi-related note, do we know -- because you don't have to put the social security in. Do we know if that information is flagged to any agency or like what happens with -- because it naoets required to give your social, right, if you click the box, that says you don't have a social, is there any concern that that goes somewhere and could be something done with it?

289so, the social security number was a nine digit number, it move today the four digit and is the check box, that has always been there on the application, that's nothing new, so unless we're audited, we don't give the information. okay. I don't know. I don't really know what to say because obviously -- my colleagues understand that we're in a financial crisis, I have a hard time thinking we're going to take hot food because I know we give them a a sandwich, away from kindergartners or first graders, but I also understand the situation, so I would be interested in hearing if my colleagues have any suggestions. Thank you. thank you. And my apologies to the audience, I forgot to go to public comment, so, I'm going to pause for discussion to take public comment. We have

290felicia schumann, nicole morst and [Inaudible] Rabido. good afternoon, MADAM Chair and DR. Hepburn and esteemed board leaders, I want to say this really quickly, some students know they're eligible but their families are not allying y -- applying for the meals so I want to say that first off, and however I want to speak clearly and constructively about student meal debt and what needs to happen going forward. I recognize that broward county public school already participates in direct certification using weekly or scheduled batch uploads and uses community eligibility at qualifying schools, those tools are important and where they are fully implemented, they work. However the data before us shows we still have a gap, students are being fed daily but documentation and accountability are not consistently aligned with eligibility. Some students are eligible for free meals

291yet their parents have not completed their required application. Even in cases where family MAY already be receiving snap benefits, when that paperwork is not file, charges continue and debt is created. It cannot be managed at the cafeteria line or at the school level, it must be allowed through the district system. If this is not already happening uniformly, the district needs to ensure the following, first eligibility identification must move as quickly as meal service, direct certification matches should be frequent and automatically applied so eligible students are not charged while data catches up. Second, parents should receive one clear standardized document requires them to either apply for a meal benefit that MAY qualify for our formally acknowledged financial responsibility for meals being served, that document should include a clear and reasonable deadline supported by multiple remind sewer

292expectations are understood and debt does not build unintentionally. Third, enforcement and documentation must be handled centrally, principals and calf fear ya staff should not be caoe quailing their own processes or creating the burden of that management. Service workers work witching technology service and is finance should ensure there is a consist tept district wide framework that aligns male service paperwork that aligns with accountability. After document outreach and missed deadline, family that do not respond should move to a default pace standard and then they should apply for benefits. This is not about denying meals to students, it is about a system that worses. thank you, nicole morst. [Inaudible] Rabido. good afternoon, my name is mariah, regarding this agenda item on student meal debt, I want to speak that this debt should not exist to begin with, we

293all know this. According to the presentation, broward now holds over 3 4u, -- 300 thousand and is presuming 600 thousand from the general fund to cover current charges tuned directive, these numbers are not financial, they represent students being billed to the eat at school and families not responding to notices. We also saw in the data 59.8% of the student ares eligible for free or reduced lunch, these numbers make one thing clear, hunger is not an individual failure to fill out a sheet of paper, it is a system signal hated are families are stretched beyond capacity just like the district at this point. The district previously succeeded with cep and universal free lunch for two years, ending those programs has contribute today the debt spike, people cannot afford lunch cannot magically begin aing it after SEPTEMBER

29422, so st child's ability to eat during a cool day should not depend on an overdue balance. I know this team has tried to mitigate that. I know it shouldn't be because of a missed application or the bureaucracy of where our non-digital system sets today. I encourage the board to view this not only as a funding question but as moral and educational one, no student cleanses well while hungry and no district strengthens its xhaoubt by sending families deeper into debt over meals. I also encourage the board to direct DR. Hepburn's meals team to be creative and dig deeper about how to solve this. Other districts in florida are doing this today and across the country have combined federal mechanisms, cep, title one concentration, state supplements, municipal partnerships to implement universal free meals sustainably. Broward can

295and should do the same. meal debt shouldn't be managed, it should be eliminated at the root to consider providing meals generous is a fundamental misunderstanding of what student and is families need and are capable of today. I want to emphasize that transparency is key around major vendor relationships as a side note including thing district's contract with microsoft. When we're talking about revenue loss and shifting fee structures, the public deserves clear accounting of technology expenditures, licensing structure and is the cost burden, without that transparency, it becomes difficult for families to to understand why programs are being cut when others are not. thank you so much. thank you. MS. Bulman? thank you, chair. So, I guess I have a couple of questions about how this had whole thing is working from a different perspective that I have.

296We had universal free lufrmg, -- lunch, then we had the 30 day grace period, at some point thereafter, I found out my kids have credit because they're charging lunch. And I'm still getting the calls. So, I'm wondering how much of the problem are kids who can afford the lunch but are charging the lunch without the consent of the parent that didn't want them to have the lunch. I can pack my kids' lunch, I can give them money, I have my own wishes for what my children are eating or how they're conducting themselves or they could be on a budget, I put in money for their account and they've overspent it, it's a chasing game for me personally, I'm wondering if other people will do the same thing which will contribute to this debt because I

297seem to always be in meal debt even though I'm trying to pay for it. So, I would like a mechanism to see where we are in terms of what the debt would be for the children that actually need our help versus us extending credit to people that do not need the credit and in fact I wish they did not have the credit, if you don't qualify, fill up your card or you don't get any -- b but please don't give my kid anymore pop tarts on credit, I think he had three yesterday, so I'm half joking but there seems to be a couple of different things going on here, it's not just that we're in a financial situation and we can't afford to feed the children that are going -- the children that really need

298it. I think there's some ways we could reconfigure how this happens so that we can really look and dig down to who -- the amounts of money we really need to solve the problem for the people that need to be fed through the program. absolutely, so thank you so much for the question. The first has to do with students proceeding through the line that MAY have a lunch already or their parents MAY not want them to eat with us, okay. We have been speaking with our managers who are speaking with the principals and are reaching out to the families that as that charge occurs, when we make those calls at the end of the day via the principals or their guidance counselors, if we find out those families do not want the children comes through

299because they do pack a lunch websinger are making notations so when those children come through, the cash rear -- cashiers are aware of that. I want to make some clarity as far as it goes for municipalities, we have one municipality that has stepped forward, watkins in lake forest, they pay for all of their student meals who are unpaid and reduced, and that is the only municipality that's stepped forward to cover that. We invoice them every mo nts websinger can give them a list of theieistududts every y moh, c c give them -- the principals the list of the students, they receive them every day. I want to clarify that. There's a comment on students who we feel -- the program that need to eat. It does not allow us to target students so we can't

300say this child needs this program or we feel they do, that's a parent opportunity to fill out the meal benefit charge, the meal benefit application, when we say the students need it, how do we know that they need it is the question and if a child needs the program, the program is there for the parent, meaning fill out the meal benefit application or applying for snap or tanif, I'm not sure the areas that need it, how they're going to be identified because there's no targeting students, there's no targeting areas. well, I would suggest instead of extending credit to everybody, I mean, you would be able to figure out -- I think you would push people to apply first of all if everyone's not getting credit. And then that would reduce our debt because if you're

301not giving the credit upfront, then people would have to come with money to eat the lunch. absolutely. that's what I meant, not that you're can having individual people, but it would take some people out of the equation. absolutely. that didn't intend to be in the equation in the first place. . Inger by doing that, if it would be the will of the board, we would be able to to send out notifications and then stop that extension of credit on the principal's account and then either offer the sandwich which would mitigate the families that do not need it and just put the lunch up because they can get it because we're not taking a tray within a child. are you done, MS. Bulman? yes. and so as people weigh in, please weigh in on MS. Bulman's

302suggestion. please. okay. MS. Hixon? thank you. So, you know, I kind of feel the same way, MS. Thompson said when we set out and did this, it was to try to help a need, and I don't think any of us want to see whether you're elementary, middle or high school someone taking a tray away from a student and handing them a butter sandwich because it's traumatizing and almost every one of those kids, whether you're elementary or high school, you're not in that situation because of something you did, even in high school, there are -- it's not -- they're living with their parents, the situation is not directly a result of something they've chosen to do, so I don't know how I feel about just giving a hot meal to elementary because I think it's probably

303more traumatizing as a high school student having that happen. And with that being said, that was our intent, right, that we didn't want anyone to have a tray taken away and we wanted every student to have some dignity here, but it seems as if it's like a run away train that took off. I think we also didn't understand what that would look like. Listening to some of my board members now and then also when we first started this, I think we believed that you could identify who needed the lunches, like there was a way, just really based on the conversation we had a couple of weeks ago when they said, you know, but as you've mentioned, they f there just is no way, we don't know what their family status is unless they fill out

304a form and they're eligible for it. But you mentioned we know there are so many eligible that haven't filled out the form so how do we know that? when I say eligible, we have paying students so those paying students, we don't know if they're eligible. If I misspoke on that, if there's -- about 65 thousand students that are paid students, those students could be eligible but they would have to fill out the meal benefit application, so eligible to fill out the application, not necessarily eligible for free, reduced meals. but everybody's eligible to fill out the application. absolutely and we encourage that. let's say I'm a principal and I'm trying to get -- I want all of my students to fill out the form because I want -- they don't maybe know if they're eligible or

305not until someone comes back with a yes or no status, is that correct? you are correct. We have numerous principals that were in contact with that, we'll send out individual patient links to their schools stating if you think you MAY be eligible, please complete the meal application. and I know principals work hard, niement trying to lay this at nip's feet. This is a tricky situation, so I have a question because the speaker, you know, made a couple of suggestions and there are other counties in the country that do pay for lunch as we mad the last couple of years only because of our ese exert money, I don't think everybody understands what all of that means, they know their kids sdrnt to pay for anything and they think it should continue, so I wonder how

306active we are in reaching out to the business community to say specifically we would like you -- because you said businesses maybe donating money but it's not going to the debt relief for lunches so, to the superintendent, are we doing an active call to action through our strategic partnership department where they're actively going to like the jm families to say we have this issue, would you be willing to adopt a a school or to adopt a region maybe even, so that we can address it because what we did was put it out there and hope that people would -- as you did and other generous go online and want to help but those hundred dollars, even the thousand dollars as much as it's appreciated aren't really going to hit the mark. We need like a

307big donor that believes in feeding kids. so, the answer to that question is no, we haven't done anything extra taoej nick our partnership division, we depended on bf for that, we can do that but I know for many of the donors we engage with, it's either this or that, right, so you risk getting support for some ofp of the other things we ever been asking for, I know we've been working with joe dimaggio and working with that rita case for the nurses, so we can get with MR. Chisom and his team to have them beat down some bush to see if there's support for that and continue to use bef as the avenue to provide the funds since they're already doing that part already, we can work with a strategic partnership to see if we

308have folks or even any municipalities kind of let the other municipalities know too, look, hey, look at this city and what they're doing for the schools in their communities, how about you step toup the plate. yeah, no, and I didn't mean just big companies, but just partnership ins general. I think at the end of day, we're all going to land at, we want kids to have hot lunches, kids can't learn if they aren't fed and it won't matter. I would again venture to say high-schoolers need more of that hot lunch than even elementary school because you start to think about all of those things they're doing but they all need it so I don't want to argue who needs it more. But we also can all say that we can't afford this. I still land

309at the place where I don't want someone to take a tray away from them and give them a sandwich, but there niece way to avoid them because there's way to know if they come up with the tray ne have the money to pay for that, so I don't know thousand do that in any other situation to be able do that so,, I still land at I don't want to see kids go hungry. So, -- and I knower a wow sandwich is still food but it's not that and maybe there's a way to also look at local farmers or people that are making it a little less costly for what we're providing or I don't know exactly, and my other question was, there's an organization called no kid hungry, is that what it's called? Do we

310work with them? Do we work with any organizations, it doesn't have to be that one in particular, but organizations that specifically work towards making sure children are fed? Fed in the school day? no, not specifically, no. We'll reach out to feeding south florida if we have a donation of some sort, they MAY come to us for something, we were working with them during covid and setting up food pantries and food lines during covid, but no, we have not asked for any monies from them to cover this. because I know that -- I think it's called no kid hungry is one of them, and they've come to the florida school board association convention and I know that the assistants also had it and they come to the school with a cart of food for breakfast, kids

311that MISS Breakfast in the morning and they have a cart and they can grab and go. Maybe we're not providing it through our lunch line but maybe there's a way to do it differently. I think we really have to be innovative in the way that we attack this. so, we did have several grants in which we were able to secure equipment and we used that equipment to have grab and go breakfast at our high schools, we did do that and after meal breakfast, so in case a bus comes in late, we still serve breakfast, we did have those going on after first period. Er and this organizeation, like I said, I know that they do different thing sos with maybe we need to look at organizations we can partner with and also what kind of

312federal funding we can look at. If other counties are doing it, we maybe need to reach out and find out how are they doing it so we have a different kind of conversation so, thank you. thank you, DR. Zeman? thank you, chair, just two questions. What did we do before covid in broward county schools? great question, DR. Zeman, thank you for the question. We had meal benefit applications and a family could complete the meal benefit application. We did have families that categorically were approved at snap and tanif, there were drkt feeds off ldoa, so if a family did not have a meal benefit application and had to pay, they would then pay at the point of sale or they would prepay for us, we did have the option of a xhaoez sandwich if a child

313came down the line and they forkt money that day. In that case, they had a principal account in which they would have minimal balances, maybe 50 or 100 dollars to cover the cost of that cheese sandwich. Prior to covid, it was either you bought a lunch, you paid, you qualified for snap or for tanif or you completed the meal benefit application. and I want to give you like the DR. Z data geek award, you really nailed it in term of tracking the data and coming early, so you get 10 thousand DR. Z points. incredible staff. but I'm going ask you for another hard date point, under that policy, how many kids didn't eat every day? I can't honestly answer that question because any child that came through the serving line, if we had to remove

314a tray was offered that cheese sandwich in some schools and some schools, principals would offer turkey sandwich for lunch, in some, they would say they have enough in my pta or pto and give us a check for one hundred dollars and put that in the account. We never had this issue in elementary schools and it was a little bit -- it was unfortunate because when we looked at our data prior to covid, were running about 7 thousand dollars with those charges so that number that was present today the board was an actual number, that's exactly what was happening prior to covid because of the question youz just asked, either an application was provided, parents packed a a lunch, there was snap or tanif or they paid for the meal, so that was very clear. I

315think because of what happen witched covid and the supply chain grants we were fo rmg gnat to secure in addition to the economies of scale, the nor children that are eat, obviously you can adjust your finances accordingly, but that's what had happened and now all of a sudden we're having to pull back and say, okay, those funding sources as MS. Hixon said are over and we're going back to pre-covid sxit's an adjustment to the families. I want to say it back to you, mary, and I really appreciate it, you're telling us when we had kids either pay for lunch, get qualified to have it paid for them, bring their lunch or go through a a line and get a cheese sandwich, the impact on students not eating was minimal? you are correct. and I think

316that's instructive. This is a a partnership. We need thugs from parents, you know, they have to get their kids to school if they live within two mile and is have clean clothes for their kids. Prior to covid, we asked them to provide food for them. We assumed they would get to eat nights and weekends and I'm not being insensitive to the plight of absekt poverty or live in an environment that don't have food for them. But when we had that policy, there waser no moral hazard, it wasn't like if I don't pay, I get a free full tray and, you know, we have to figure out kind of how to spend the money we have and the big hole we're in, and right now there was minimal impact prior to covid of kids not having

317nutrition to get through the day. I appreciate na. Second question, in my view, MR. Superintendent, this is a purely operational issue and this is a difficult issue, it's a moral issue, it's genuinely true if you don't have calories and water and things like that, you're not going to be learning, but what is your recommendation, MR. Superintendent, for -- or what we should do to make sure that we're balancing out all the requirements for our children? yes, so, definitely a difficult skition because we want to make sure every kid has an opportunity to get a meal during the school day. But there are variables that -- there are situations that are being abused because we at the point of sale cannot determine if a student is eligible or not. then you have families that MAY be

318eligible, if they were like my mom, you're going to get it the hard way and this is just the family we grew up in and we were dirt poor, she wanted to demonstrate hard work ethic and it's just my family. I know there's families out there where some parents do not want to do that and they will pack the lunch for their kids and all the other good stuff, but I think the difficulty for us is we have no capabilities to understand eligibility of a kid at the point of sale and you have the stories like MS. Bulman just mentioned, I have my eldest daughter would graduated already, and I put a certain amount in her account to account for lunches throughout the week plus a treat probably once a week, whi look at it,

319you're buying pop tart and is ice-cream and all this other stuff and now you're out of money, now you don't have lunch to go to school, I think we have to make the difficult decision. All kids are going to eat, they are going to get some type of a meal. I think if we revert back to what we were doing during covid, that will help us identify who truly needs the help. Right now we have no way of identifying that. N the current system and there is some abuse where kids are taking advantage of the system and knowing they're going to get a hot meal regardless of the situation if they can afford it or not. so, one option based on superintendent's reckbacker recommendation is go back to pre-covid, exactly that policy and ask you

320o come back with the data and g I us an update and make sure it's minimal again because you can throw 688 thousand dollars tat this problem but you have the issue that if you have told people they're going to get something if they don't have money, too many people are saying I'm not going to fill out the formers I'm qualified for or not going to load up the card with money because I know we're going to get it, I'm if -- in favor of that and I conte want to invent problem that is don't exist. The data we had before covid is there was minimal impact, we have to spend our time and money on thing that is have impact, there are still lots of those that we still have to work on. Thank

321you. thank you, MRS. Alhadeff? thank you. I agree with the superintendent's recommendation. I think that we have to stop putting this $500 per school funding or any extra money to this. I do have a estion in rerdrds to e e 0000. Is that $500 have the -- includes the usda reimbursement at the cost of a meal? go ahead. thank you, DR. Hepburn, I'm a little unclear on the question that $500 would cover the cost of a meal at an elementary school, $3 per meal, the usda reimbursement, there's different reimbursement rates based on the eligibility factor for free, reduced and paid. okay, so was the $500 we were allocating per school, did that include the usda reimbursement? yes. okay. I have a question in regards to the -- when there is a -- when a parent

322has to pay for the lunches, is it camber are we texting parents with a direct payment link so they could easily pay? yes, so when -- the obligation. when the parent link goes out at 4:00 every day, it also goes out via text message, so that link could be -- and is it the right payment link? it takes them to the website. it's my understanding it is. yes, it is, it's mentioned in the e-mail, yes. okay. But they still have to be able to sign in and then do that. correct, into the child's account, correct. okay. I know it might sound simple but it might not be, maybe we can do a video showing parents how to do that so they can pay their student obligation. absolutely possible. okay. And then in regards to when

323the student comes up to pay or to get their lunch, are they scanning their I.D.? you are correct. Every student in the district should have a student issued or a school issued I.D. Batch, it reads the bar code, it will pop up in the system and it will state their eligibility for free, reduced or paid in a very discrete box on the screen. but why am I hearing we don't know their eligibility at point of sale? so, it happens at the point of sale, the student already has the tray in their hand, so as they're at the point of sale the, ear standing next to the cashier and that's when they're having their I.D. Badge scan sod they have the tray in their hand, that's where the tray would be removed. but that's -- because

324I don't get that, why would you remove a tray even if they're going to get the cheese sandwich or the no nut butter or jelly sandwich. Why not keep their tray and then whatever goes with the courtesy lunch goes on their tray? right, the trays are reimbursable, I think that was part of the dilemma we had when we had the original conversation back in AUGUST, why not just let the khiel take the tray because you're already at the point of sale, don't remove the tray, let the child have the hot meal. Because we're not removing the tray, it's the spiral that the parent is not reimbursing. Did I understand the question correctly? is there a cost of the tray? yes. Because it depends on the eligibility. how much is a tray? well, it depends on

325the eligibility but it also depends on the item that is are on the tray. The reimbursement that comes back from the state, it's at different levels, usda has the reimbursement for free, reduced and pais paid, so depending on what the eligibility of the student is, is how much we're reimbursed from usda, there is a cost to the tray because you have the tray and the food on it. right, I'm just saying why -- the cost of the tray has to be pennies, why can't we -- they keep their tray but they get the courtesy lunch? so, I think MS. Alhadeff is saying I'm going to walk through the shoes of the kid, I go through the lunch line, I grab my tray, I put a hamburger on, sweet potato fries, milk, juice, I get to

326the cashier, I think she's saying let them keep the tray but take the hamburger off and replace the hamburger with the -- no, I thought they were scanning their badge, they're getting the tray, then scanning their badge and then they get their food. no, they get their food first and then -- because the cashier or the -- whoever's alt the end of the line cashing out or scanning the I.D.'s have to account for what's on their tray. I was having a side bar saying they should do it at the beginning but you MAY have a skid like MS. Bulman's son who goes through first, gets scanned and go ahead and get your food, they MAY end up grabbing more than what they were supposed to and you'll never account for has and lose that money.

327if I could -- I'm just saying. can there be a pre-scan? N the beginning? so, no, it?Aoets a pre-scan, there is guidelines according to usda, there's meal component that is are required to be reviewed by the cashier at the point of sale to be reimbursed by the state and as of right now, the components are counted at the end of the line, meaning the child has the opportunity to select the milk, the fruit, the vegetable, their items before they come to the point of sale and everything is checked at the point of sale. Once we verify the meal is compliant with usda guideline tos receive reimbursement, we go ahead and enter the meal into the register. but why can't there be someone at the beginning where they get the tray to scan just to see

328if they get a courtesy lunch or not, so then they can pre-empt that before picking out all the the other things? you would need an additional staff member then on the line and then you're identifying a student that MAY or MAY not have -- be eligible before they even go through, it's a possibility but you're adding in in addition an additional staff member on to do that. so, there's no staff member by the tray? correct, the staff member is the cashier at the end of the assembly line. I'm thinking out loud, like could it be just a computer and a scanner where the kid is scanning it themselves to see? I don't know. I'm just thinking a about -- you cvs, you scan for your coupons. you can see where you are, even the amount

329of money in your account also, for the kids who have money in their account, you can see the money in your account to know before I go through the line -- something that would be a software. so if DR. Zeman's daughter goes through or somebody else's kid, you caning see I have 20 buck, I can decide to spend that 20 bucks today or I MAY not be eligible, I have no money at all and -- so you're not going to come through the line. yeah. you're not going to get anything. just to play to that point too, I think again there's two competing interests, there's the kids that we need to help to make sure they're fed and then there's other kids who MAY be shoving a pop tart in their back pocket or paying

330for it on their parent's dime. There's some benefit also in scanning and saying you only have three dollars left right now, you can't buy three pop tarts, you're only getting a lunch. People have to learn that too. I don't know that you're going to be damming forever if you're trying to buy more than what -- learning how your budge works too depending on who you are. So, if you go upfront, then you can kind of identify those things and this is what you can get. Kind of like when you go to the santa's secret shop and you have ten dollars and this is what you're buying. When the people are helping you, I don't know. can I finish. you have the floor, MRS. Hall deaf. thank you. So, okay, so I think we need to

331work that out, that flow. I do think there should be some way to be more preventative in the fropt of -- front of the line with the tray, I agree that's awful, you get this food you, ear all excited and now as a ten year-old and you get your tray take.Away, that's terrible, so we have to figure that out. i'll leave that up to you. My question for high school students, are they allowed to charge the lunches now? I didn't hear the question. I'm sorry, was the question -- are high school students allowed to charge their lunch? yes. There is no charging for food nutrition services for high-schoolers but there is the principal account and there are high school that is are four, five and six thousand dollars in debt in the high school account.

332are we creating obligations for those students? that's one of the questions here, that's one aof the recommendations, that we create the obligation so that the families pay back so we can recoup the money. so I'm a yes for that to pay the obligation. And then are we doing any type of table where there's a food there type of thing, instead of the kid, you know, throwing out their apple and their juice box that wasn't opened, where they can put it where somebody can take it if they wanted to eat something more? so, at this point in time websinger have share tables in the district. Principals received a memo at the beginning of the year for training websinger have minimal schools who have engaged in that program. I think right now we maybe have 8 schools

333and for food safety reasons, that food is donated to charities, it's refrigerated and it goes right to charities. It does not go back to the student population at this point in time. And again that training is focusing on food safety and usda compliance. I mean, maybe that's also a greater way to get food into -- more student tos get more food if more of our schools had this share food station, maybe that memo can go out again. And then my last question is in regards to the [Inaudible], is there a way to substitute that with a turkey? there would be a way to substitute that, absolutely. We do use the wow butter sandwich in the elementary schools for pre-k's, for head start and is it's op the elementary mep ewe because it is very easy

334to serve, it's wrapped up, we can pull it out and defrost that morning, so we don't have a food loss, but it's an item that's already on the menu. If bewere to make the turkey and cheese sandwiches, we have the potential of food waste depending on how many students come through the line, we wouldn't hold the sandwich for more than two days, there is an additional cost, that would be about $1.80 a sandwich as compare today the wow sandwich is $1.50, now, those if we do offer the wow butter or cheese sandwich, turkey, whatever that MAY be, that was always paid from the principal's account, the board already issued a a 5 $0 to each school, if we could have the skaolt obligation and those funds to be paid back, that was the bhoel idea

335to regenerate. The wow butter sandwich, whether it's a turkey or cheese sandwich, those items need to be paid for. okay. Do you need any other responses from me? so, if we're looking at the presentation and you're the only one who's given guidance on any of the recommendations so far definitively, so thank you, MRS. Alhadeff, we have to transition to student obligations which you were a yes on, one of the other asks is transitioning from a hot courtesy meal to a courtesy sandwich and then the last piece, board provide additional funding for 688 thousand dollars for prompting -- projtd forecasting. the second one is a no. I would like to stick with the hot courtesy meal, and then the last one, I'm a no on providing any additional funding. o thank -- okay, thank you. MRS.

336Rupert? easy, paoez si. Two and three are no's for me, yes for obligations and that breaks my heart to say that, but fiscally we can't handle it now, but please, everybody, think outside the box and let's see if we can find a better solution. So, thank you. thank you, MRS. Rupert. MR. Cervera? thank you, chair. I've got a question or two before I give my tally. I would like to think we are our own unique creatures here in south florida being the sixth largest school district in the nation. I'm wondering, has anybody looked at what palm beach county and what miami-dade county is doing? currently both palm beach and miami are.On cep which means that's the program we were on prior which feeds children at no charge. We were one of the first district that

337is transitioned back to the meal applications because our data decreased, our data dropped 40%, their percentages did not drop as much. so, they were more fiscally responsible with their funds than we were. no, their foa data is based on snap and tanif, that has to do with the amount of family that is apply and ta tha data comes down in APRIL and based on that data, that's how we can forecast whether it's financially feasible to continue on that program. so, they have either federal or state money than we have and that's the end of it? because our percentages were higher, miami is significantly higher in free reduced, based on snap and tanif. thank you for that, I appreciate it. absolutely. MADAM Chair, I'm a yes on 1 . I am a -- 2 was the

338-- courtesy meal, sandwich. you're a yes on -- I'm a yes on 1. I'm a no on 2 and 3. okay. did you want to speak? yes, thank you, MADAM Chair. So, I just want to understand this a little bit more. So, for -- if -- for yes on obligation, would that impact students who are not able to afford lunch, are these the students who can afford lunch and did not pay and we're obligating tlem to pay, I want a better understanding on that, I'm not sure I got that clear. so, it would be for every student that has a charge. okay, so -- every paid student that has incurred a khafrj. -- charge. okay, so this could include students that are basically in title one students. correct. okay, so I am a no on

339obligation and MADAM Chair, could you repeat the others. courtesy sandwich versus a courtesy hot meal. I'm a yes. and the allocating the 688 thousand dollars. would that be as far as the district coming up with that funding? yes. okay, so I am currently a no on that but I would like to revisit that toward the end of the school year and in the meantime, I would ask that the superintendent and his team a aggressively seek funding sources that would help to offset this increase in cost or projection cost by untuning every stone, being as exhausting as possible to see what other kind of sources would help support or offset the cost of student lunches including any potential sort of commitment from our municipalities or any other funding source that's possible. I want us to have

340an exhaustive list and, dr. hepburn, I don't know if someone can be placed in charge of that but I think it has to be an intentional, deliberate approach rather than just to say we're going to try. I think there needs to be someone assigned to seeking funding to offset this 688 thousand projected, so DR. Hepburn, can you speak on that. yes, I'm going to let the most flamboyant young man that I know in our facility work his magic with many of -- who has stroro partnership widtdt ma of r r mucicil l leaders ananmamany ofof our business leads.S. Er can you let him know this board wants him to use his imagine and I can come up with half a million dollars, thank you, MADAM Chair. thank you. And before we get around to --

341I wanted to give some input, so first I want to shout out our donors, DR. Hepburn being one of them, shout out to pembrook park, really cool to see our cities doing that and working in such great partnership to feed children. I had some questions. I continue to hear about the processing fee to put money in to the accounts and pay the debt, can you help me better understand that? director of it at food services t processing fees negotiated whether we bring to the board the agreement between food services and the vendor, currently the vendor is heart land school solutions, they incur that cost when they process credit card charges, american express, mastercard, visa, that is negotiated down to its possible rate, at the moment it's $2.49, we locked that price in to the contract

342date which is currently five years plus renewals. when do -- when is that contract up, do we know ?Frjts I think it's 2027, I can get that direct number for you. are we able to end that with convenience or without cause? Do we e have any legal mechanisms to end that early? the standard clauses are in the contract that would allow us to do that, however there would be a big impact to the operation. I guess I'm wondering in my own experience of paying fees, not school lunch faoes, but other fees through the school district, do we have similar charges for other things? I don't recall. I think yes and no, yes? that's a yes. When you buy sports tickets, you buy them, what's the name of that app, go fan, so neigh's online that

343we reprocess credit cards. there's a flat fee. it's whatever the negotiated fee is. I guess my point is, sit $2.50 charge no matter how much you're putting in, so I could be put ining $3 and my charge is $5.50, that's problematic for me, so I know that's not the direction you're asking for right now burke moving forward, I would really like us to revisit that because, you know, there are some families who are putting in small amounts at a time that -- yeah. cash and check add to cafeteria, the charge of $2.49 is an electronic processing fee, we let them know if you have three, four, five student ins the district, each student get it is amount you're loading on to the account, you only pay that processing fee once, that is at the time

344of charging the card, it's always recommended if you put extra if you know the funding amounts your students will need, thank you. thank you. in terms of the social security number, number one, I would love if you could be there at the next committee reports because this is something that continues to come up, so I know you've sent communications to the different committees but that's not coming -- I would love for us to all be at the table. we have spoken at dac and landyn, when I saw him this morning, he was at that meeting and he sent us an e-mail on that. We have spoken and have clarified that. I realize it keeps coming up. thank you for clarifying that. Is there anything else, do we have to collect that information? The social security

345-- the last four digits? on the application, if a family has the social security number, he ear to write the four digits in, if they don't have the numbers, they have to check the box, it's an either/or. do we have to include that application. it's their application. I'm wondering how much -- if there's anything else we can do to reassure aour community that they are safe to mark that box, you know what I mean? I don't know. Christina? we have gone out to community event, even if you have a security number and you don't feel comfortable, we have too take it at face value, if they check the fwox say I don't have a social security number, if they don't put it on there and they complete the application, swre to take that at face

346value. we have to let parents know citizenship is not anything to be concerned about. I think we're in an vierm that everybody is scared. I appreciate you're going out to community events, that's great and reassuring families, I just -- I don't know if as a board we can do something additional to reassure families. I know you met with the level chair and is have given voice to that, I think it would have been great to have them at the table, so maybe we can reach out to bpaa and have those individual conversations as board members. Do we currently have food pantries in our schools? I think before covid, we did, they were add dandy, pafrp poe, deerfield beach high and I think they're still there if I'm not mace taken. we have food pantries, where,

347I would have to provide that in a follow-up, we do have food pantries across the district. I'm wondering if there's a way to compare the school lunch step from 2018 to this year? Have we looked at that? we did that, that's how we came up with the 7 thousand dollars in elementary charges or total charges that we brought to the board when we were discussing this back in august. Again, it was a different time that we had never gone cep, we had never gone universal free, there was no covid pandemic, there was no additional supply chain funding, we did do that. okay. The last thing I'll say is and maybe staff will be annoyed with me, I don't know. I think we need do something different where we field solutions from parents and principals and,

348you know, our general community because there is several of us at the table trying to solve the problem of like when a kid scans an I.D. And how to navigate that and the tray and all of that and I'm wondering if we could put out a thought exchange to the community to share ideas for alleviating some of these issues because the students and the teachers and all of the people working in our schools as well as the parents, like, MS. Bulman's experience was very enlightening to me, so I think like as much information we can get from our community to try to solve this problem would be helpful. So I don't know if we're able to do that, if that is onerous or if I need to collect consensus around that, but that's one idea

349that I think is -- thank you, MS. You rupert. we can work with the food and nutrition team for thought exchange. okay. Alright, I'm a yes on the obligations. Right now I'm a no on the courtesy sandwich and I'm a yes on allocating the 688 thousand dollars, you know, I think that -- I'll leave it there. I need more input from other board members and I have another list going for more feedback so please make sure to weigh in. MS. Bulman, did you still want us to weigh in on your suggestion which I can't seem to articulate right now. I guess this would go back to operations which we're not really nailing right now in terms of trying to come up with how we're going to run the cafeteria moving forward which I apologize for

350pretending we could do. But my concern is you're giving credit where perhaps people -- like perhaps there should be no credit and you have to affirmatively put money on the kids card before you can use it if they're not qualified, and then -- that's my suggestion. Just because I -- not to alienate anyone, I think we can have a better picture of what's going on and how much money we would really need to cover the debt because I don't think this amount is showing a true need, it's showing a debt balance, so there's some of that we could take. is the suggestion to not allow students to purchase things without money on their account? yeah. okay, so like you would get your courtesy meal if you don't have must be on your account bah you're

351not buying three pop tarts on credit. okay. so, make sure to weigh in as well as the thought exchange when we go around next. thank you, chair, first I wanted to sate when we talked about this, we did have conversation and direction for a strategic partnership to help recruit donations for this project so it was not solely placed on bef and I want that to be extremely clear that that was place on the strategic partnership committee as well as bef and as well as just sharing it as individuals. So I'm a little frustrated by that. that MAY be true, MS. Thompson, I probably didn't remember, maybe eric has been working with bef, I have to check with him to make sure. I don't want to -- I'll probably misquote it because I don't remember the

352full conversation but that MAY be true, maybe they're working together on this and I'm just not aware, I can find out later. Sorry I cut you off. no, okay. I don't want this ksing to be a segway to that and I already brought up my concerns, and the fact that this was tasked, you remember part of that conversation right now or not, that was tasked and I'll leave that at that. I think it's really hard to use the data from pre-covid years because we are in a different environment which we had a conversation earlier when we were talking about education mitigation that there's a projected economic -- I can't remember the word you used, chair, but recession looming, so I think it's really hard to use that data. I did want to -- so, just

353some clarification, when the tray gets taken, does that just go in the trash then? yes, it does, and that has to do with food contamination, if you have a pizza pizza, we have students touching their mouth, their hands, their face and they MAY touch the piece of pizza to we don't serve that to anymore, we MAY take pieces like cut fruit so we can discard that, as far as it goes to anything that a student can touch, breathe on, pick a piece off of, we discard those for food safety reasons. understandable. Is it possible to put treats in a different place than the the lunch line? Because I remember when I went through the lunch line, you got your actual food and then there's a separate stand for the treats and the goodies and like

354whatever, is there a way to make a more distinction so MS. Bulman's kid can't just go and -- we don't know which kid. So, there's not a way that they are using like an empty balance to buy two treats. so, the all cart items are normally placed at the end of the serving line because those are high theft items at school sos we place them at the end of the serving line to try to mitigate any theft that we have. And those are in some cases behind high schools t cashier must hand it to the student, elementary schools are right by the cashier so they're not on the serving line. at least when we went for a school visit, or school lunch week, you don't -- go through the line and you put your goodies

355on the tray and you check in at the same time, is there a way to pay for lunch and then you would have to go back to the do the treat and is you don't have to answer that now because all school cafeterias are set up differently, if there is a way to separate those purchases or make like a pause, I'm sure a kid can't be going to buy pop tarts when they don't have food or meal money and then if they needed the food, then that's where a courtesy meal could come in place. And then I'm wondering if there's a way we can advertise in general and this is to the superintendent, that family's data is safe and the fact we don't send meal applications out to any other agency, that's something some school

356districts did when there was concerns about ice coming on to school cafeterias that this is our general procedure, it's not tied to immigration, it's if a law officer came to the campus, this is what we would do, whether it was whoever it was. Is there a way we could help disseminate information like that information you get here stay and is that way no one would feel -- like, it goes out to everyone and it can have the meal as an example but it wouldn't be targeted. Does that make sense? yes, that makes sense. We can add that to what you're already doing, MS. Mulder and another additional piece is getting with hispanic unity so they can send out that information to a targeted audience that MAY have concerns. okay, and then -- sorry, let me

357go through to give the chair -- I regrettably am for transitioning to student obligations, so number 1, and then I am against the changing a courtesy meal to a sandwich and I'm against forecasting or the additional funding I would like to stay interested in bringing this back towards the end of the year to assess how much the daet death is but also I believe my heart there's a way we can do this but I think we need principals who are seeing how the lines work all the time to brainstorm this so I don't know if that means forming let you guys decide, like forming like a work group. If we're not able to provide universal free lunch which I don't see that happening, there has to be a way to make this work and it's

358a learning curve, if my colleagues would be interested in having that come back. DR. Hepburn, are you able to bring this back to a workshop at the end of the year? yes websinger can bring this back for a workshop. and where are you on MS. Bulman's recommendation? I'm slightly confused about ms. Bulman's recommendation but I agree I guess. can you reiterate. there's no credit extended to the students. You would have to affirmatively put money into their account in order for them to qualify to buy the general cafeteria. so, how is that changing the charges to student obligations I guess? because then you have already assumed them -- because that would allow you to assume so, if you keep charging, then will haves you can't graduate because you spent $300 on food that your parents never

359consented to and never paid for. so, would it just be for like treats though or would it be for all meals they can't -- you would get the courtesy. It would push the kid to say, hey, you need to put money on my account to get lunch or I need bringbacker bring lunch. When it's just available, no one in real life extends endless credit to a consumer. That's what's happening right now. The kids are spending it because it's available. So if tt board left side that there will be a student obligations if there is a balance that becomes an obligation with the student record and they need to pay that off before they go on to academic. my suggestion is that you don't get to that point. you get a courtesy meal, there is no

360credit extended, it does not become an obligation. so your suggestion is to go to a courtesy sandwich? yes, as a policy it will allow us what the real situation is. Because if you don't extend credit up front, then the kids will have to push th r parents to money on to their accounts, they will bring their lunch or we'll see who really needs that. okay. or they'll apply for free or reduced lunch. so I misinterpreted, it is just that tau support the courtesy sandwich. but we have a courtesy sandwich right now and we have credit. I'm saying no credit. When my kid goes up to the thing with his tray, right now with he buys it t I get the email and text that my kid has a debt. MS. Moulder. so if a parent

361does not want their child to incur the meal, which is going to be the obligation, we can put something on the student act that says student is not to receive a complimentary meal. okay, that is a solution, yeah. and that's what we have been doing in schools that principals have reached out as they're calling the families to say, you're in occurring debt. The parents are saying, I don't want my child to have a meal because we're sending a lunch box. So we are doing that. I think we need to do a better job then. Or do a something different to communicate that, right. It feels like it's a vary school by school individual basis. I think MS. Bulman is saying, if I don't have any money in my account, I should is not be able

362to purchase anything which turns into a credit. that's what I'm saying. what's what she is saying, I hear you loud and clear because I go through that myself. You're a parent that can afford to feed your kid but they come up there and it's at a zero balance, they should not allow to continue to add and make the balance to a negative. When it gets to zero, it's zero, and you cannot get anything else until your parents put money into the account. Even if everybody when we're option one and nothing else, the kid can still come up, get a meal, and they're in a deficit and it on their obligation. Versus, for the future, they should not be able to add put their account into a deficit, if it's a zero, they should not be

363able to purchase anything. And mom is getting or dad is getting a phone call, saying hey, you're 50 bucks in a hole and you talk to your kid, how did this happen. You should not be able to do anything beyond zero. right. okay, and MS. Thompson, I think you and I were suggesting a similar idea working with the community stakeholders to come up with a solution. So I will mark you yes for that. yes, so if they're not allowed to charge anything and sthe keep getting the courtesy meal, a courtesy meal is the exact thing as we're serve ising, correct, at least for now, unless we send it back to the sandwich. So if they don't let them lunch, from receiving the courtesy meal, so what is to stop them from every single day getting

364a courtesy meal? I'm just trying to walk through that process, in that case, there is no reason for kid to tell mom and dad because they're still getting the same hot meal every single day. so that's why, that's the argument for doing the courtesy sandwich. I think that's MS. Bulman's position. this is rough. So you would like to change my thought process then. on courtesy sandwich? yes, switching to a courtesy sandwich and also in agreement, if it's feasible, because you understand the charging system a little bit better, if it's feasible to do MS. Bulman's suggestion of not allowing charges and then you get a sandwich. I have MR. Spellbergh on the line. Landyn? thank you, I apologize that I had leave and thank you to gcear for staying. I would remiss for not saying a

365thank you, I shared with MS. Paul and molder food and nutrition services have been making their rounds across the district, speak withing students and community members and a student actually shared a story with me that I just had to share with the board. That representative from. Food and nutrition services office had a very genuine and productive conversation with them because they were incuring meal debt and felt an obligation and felt a lot of concern about that. And the student shared with me that a representative from food and nutrition services was really able to comfort them and I know that's not a one-off situation. Soy just -- so I just want to say thank you for all that you're doing to make this difficult situation the best it can be for our broward county students. Thank

366you. thank you. MS. Hixon? thank you, leave it to a student to always find the bright spot. So thank you for that. I have a cup of questions and just, so I want to lay this out, because the picture that it puts in my head is frustrating. So a student comes through the line, let's say it's pizza, they have a slice of pizza on their tray they have no balance, so we throw the pizza way in the garbage and go get them a sandwich. That's a waste. We're throwing a the food away. That's why I'm not for the sandwich. That to me does not make sense, when we're talking about food sharing, why would we throw something away and give them something else if we cannot use it again. And I'm not, I'll get to

367the money part but that piece right there, visually sounds silly to me, because we're wasting food twice, because we're giving them something else that they probably won't eat. so just recommendations based on what we're hearing here and what I hear in the schools would be to move forward with with the obligations, because that will get the parent's attention, it will get the student's attention to not remove the hot meal as long as you have the obligation, because it will satisfy what board memebers are saying about taking the meal away from student giving them the sandwich that way there is no lunch shaming, you're not taking something away and giving them a sandwich. The middle and high school students action we MAY think that the high school and the principal committee has from the start, asked

368me not to extend the credit to the high school students prior to what we did before covid, because those students do understand. They do understand that if they're not on free or reduced that they need to pay for meals. Principals have been out, administrators have been out not only in the cafeteria but out. If we start there, obligations for all three levels and elementary JUNE iar and high -- junior high and high school students. I mean, I get that but I still, the idea of throwing something away, I just want to be clear, that does not make sense to me. I have a couple of, well I have a question. So the sandwich is that fda required? Is there something else that we can give them an wild butter sandwich, you said somebody gives turkey.

369What lead us to the wow butter? what lead us to the wow butter is because it's prepackaged and it's available at all the schools. It would be, it's already on the menu, so we have it on the bid. I'm sorry? And tt vegan, it would satisfy the vegan. and wow does the wow sandwich cost us? 1.50. and a slice of pizza. 2 dollars and a turkey sandwich is 1.80. And couldn't we get a prepackaged sandwich. we do, it a ham and cheese cresant. I don't think we should be taking off of their tray and giving them a sandwich at all, so I'll leave it at that. I believe we should give them the courtesy meal but maybe a way to, they can have a maximum of three, so that not continual building that up but

370just give them like you had a oops today, or maybe next week, maybe the max is five, I don't know but that would be a way. And then go to the you've hit your limit and there is no I don't know how that looks because again, taking that tray, the visual of taking the tray and putting it in the garbage and giving them a wild sandwich is really bothering me. As you can see. And to MS. Bulman's point, maybe the snacks have to be paid by cash. So you can charge your lunch but if you want snacks and stuff, I don't know what that looks like. right so a la cart can be on the student account but they can't be charged. So if a balance is a $20 they can purchase the a la

371cart, but if there is a zero balance, they cannot. the concern she said so you and DR. Hepburn, if you put $20 and you think that is going to get your student through two weeks but they're buying pop tarts in addition to their lunch, then it is going down. So if you made the other things cash only, they can only buy it if somebody gave them money to buy it. It would not draw down the cash money. I understand. Right. so just a thought and I also agree that a work group task force whatever you might want to call it including parents to flush out some of the concerns, because, and I, I don't want this to sound wrong, I don't think it matters how many times we say to see, we're not doing this,

372we're p doing this, we live in a world where they're very scared about people, they're not going to believe us. i think there is, you really have to get into the minds of the people that have concerned and figure out how to maneuver it and I had something else and left me. I think it's important to have a work group that includes a large variety of people to help and I also encourage and ask DR. Hepburn to make that we're actively trying to garner more direct funds to help with this issue. I can't remember what the other thing was. well I'm going to does anybody object to call on MS. Hix hon's cash money suggestion? Does anybody object to that. alhadeff objects. I just have a question though, is that really our per view? I

373mean? I don't understand telling the superintendent, kind of how to do things. Like, getting into this level of detail, I don't think is part of our responsibility. So chair, is there something in statute that says, we should be telling the superintendent how to do stuff. Or are we something suppose asking him. we direct the superintendent to do things all the time. So I think we're trying to come to the table with solutions to feed children. I appreciate the suggestion by my colleague and I support it and we heard lots of ideas. We're asking, many of us will agree to crowd source. MS. Bulman? I, I like the spirit of MS. Hixon's suggestion in terms of maybe making a couple of tiers of what you can purchase or maybe if you check a box or something

374computer tiesed like no pop tarts. I would love to that personally, I don't want my kid eating all kinds of crap I can't control it. But having a cash option versus a card. That logistically gets insane and they moved away from that for a reason, I imagine. Unless it's easy for you to manage. when we say a a la cart, it's easier if it's put on the act. Because it speeds the line up. They tried to go cash. Cash option or putting the money on the student account, I mean, either one is doable for us when it comes to purchasing a la carts that we have numerous parents that call calf tierian manager and would say, I do not allow my child to have ice cream or rice crispy treats. If we have a family

375that is concern, when the cashier sees that,. so sue have to call the cafeteria manager? a lot of students do that. They call us and we do that all the time, am I correct? And emails, we'll receive emails. okay, now I know what to do. I'm glad we went through this acres. -- exercise. I'll mark you as a no on cash suggestion? yeah, I think we can deal with it differently. one second, MS. Thompson. I wanted to go to jceir. thank you, MADAM Chair, I find it upsetting that one is hey, you cannot have it let me throw it away. There are students that most definitely go through things and then we're saying, hey, you can't have it because you don't have any money in your account but here's a butter sandwich or turkey sandwich.

376That's upsetting. And I would say, to provide a solution, I'm 100 percent in favor of the obligation for a high school senior, we keep track of our obligations, we go to the prip pal and we keep track it. And it grows a sense of responsibility to make sure that they check in with their obligation. But one thing I realize here at broward, I will implement something and then have our principals and our schools advertise it and then it dies down. This is a prime example of it. We advised it, we told parents, told students, hey, soon lunch is is not going to be free and then it died down, it is no longer a talk. No more parents are talking about it no students have talking about. We need to be consistent with our advertisement

377and these types of things. This is another thing where, graduation, day, you cannot graduate because you have an obligation. So if beer going to take the obligation route, it needs to be a quick, click, parents see how much is owed and they pay it. not a whole presentation or slide show to get there, thank you. thank you for that valuable input. And sorry, MS. Thompson you had pin put on the cash suggestion. not actually the cash money, I love that. Where hixon suggested that if we're not doing the wildld butter, thatat ke a limimi is atata y y to implemente so they still get their courtesy hot courtesy meal but after three, they no longer, or whatever number they no longer get it. And I think, all of us don't really want to do wild

378butter, I don't think that's anything we're pushing for, gunning for. But if like MS. Bulman saying, we're not allowing credits then what is going to implement students to stop taking advantage of the system if there is no consequence which the consequence would potentially be a wild butter. we can impose a dollar-valley limit on the system settings and once you hit the third prepaid amount it would say no longer able to charge. And that would be a charge to nutritional services not to a principal account. can we get board and I'm done talking, I promise. I'm kind of get us the reels here. I'm keeping track of the different suggestions. What I'll do at the very end, I'll gain input from everyone on each one. But I do have a list of people who want to

379speak additionally. i have insed the phased approach and the cash money suggestion so as we go through, we can give consensus on that. MR. Cervera? thank you, chair. I apologize, I should have asked them, I apologize to the group. I assume we've looked at and exhausted all potential resources that would be available to this district through the florida agriculture? yes, we've been in constant contact with our liason what can we and cannot do. are we in the cusp of or near especially considering our financial status. since the superintendent's meeting on friday afternoon and yesterday, I have not reved out at floda, I can do that but there are separate operating budgets. The general fund operates differently from tt food nutrition services. We're self-operating. I have no problem asking but the last conversation that I've had

380with our liason, we're going everything by the book as far as it goes for our charge policies, reimbursement, we're following everything correctly. you said, usda? correct. Usda is the governing body, every state has their own department of agriculture so we deal with floda. your liason is with the state agency? correct. and through that state agency that we have a liason for, are there programs that we could potentially qualify for based on the fact that, I don't know we're operating it, hundreds of millions in deficits. as far as I know, no. But I will follow-up tomorrow morning just to confirm that. I would greatly appreciate that. Also our community members have done a fantastic job with their donations and incidentally, superintendent henbergh first time I'm learning that you made a personal donation, so kudos to you,

381greatly appreciate it. I'm wondering, and I know there is been talk about it, but I'm wondering what if anything has the district done to market that? Like we're open to partnerships, not necessarily you know just begging people for money but clever phrasing what have you? What marketing we can do to perhaps draw the attention of, you know, the cases, the and the case family and the jam family and berjrons of the world to let them know that this is something that we're trying to form partnership with. We did a fantastic with marketing our showcase that we're all going fob late for. But we marketed the heck out of that thing. What if anything can be done to help market this idea of community partnership in light of our current situation? thanks photoser question, we can

382ref it up and send some information to MR. Srhsism to find targeted audience that we want to target and scale out from there. a lot of good press, coming in and helping with the sixth largest school district in the country. Thank you MADAM Chair. thank you, DR. Zeman? thanks chair. I just want to go back to what we did before. You know, there are different things, buzz it's the best what it would go back to the model and the answer to our staff was minimum. So if I'm correct, that would be a yes, yes, and no. Would that bring us back to the policy we had before could vid? yes. including periods of reduction and growth and shrinking and all of that stuff? yes, yes and no. you're correct. terrific, and to the general counsel,

383are these appropriate per view of the school board of broward county? Is this within our statute tory report to give direction on these things. slide 10. yes, ma'am. We're telling the superintendent what we want done, we're not telling him how to do it on these three things. yes. thank you. MR. Holness. I have a question on obligation, could obligation in terms of being waved, would it be waived for title one student or parent or guardian submit a letter of hardship? the question, that I would if we waive that, who would then pay for it? . So I know that, we have a 688,000 that we're concerned about, correct? right, that is an option for the board. right, which, so, we have suggested that the suspect have an exhaust ive list of possible sources that would

384offset that amount that we're projecting to have by the end of the school year. So the obligations that are there that would be included in the 688,000, correct? correct. okay, so in terms of who would pay for it, we provided suggestions to the superintendent to seek additional fund to go offset that. But I'm concerned about the obligations that are there to students that MAY not afford it. So the question I have is, can the obligation be waived for title one, students, and and basically, those students who are able to afford it, pay obligation? so miz question, my response would be, you're targeting students and title 1 students and you're, so I would confirm that with you, with floda, just to make sure, that is not considered targeting students. Question regarding suggestion. we've taken that off

385the table. okay, we've taken that off the table. Okay, so I'm still where I am with the three, concerns and I'm not for the cash option. and then the phased approach that MS. Hixon suggested. yes, I support the phase approach but I think three times is just too much. i think if they, if they show up once, maybe, maybe they didn't realize that they didn't have the money or whatever it is. But to do that three times is excessive, so I support maybe once but not three times. that's why I called it a phased approach. we have numerous students that significantly over three charges, they've been contacted by parents, guidance counsel ors, and they do not respond. So, three-limit, we can implement that, we cannot implement it on the principal account and the fns account

386only allows one charge for the elementary students. So now you're increasing the food service. We need to be careful about that. what is the question then, what are you asking? my question is we're going to, if the will of the board is to limit at three meals, that's not going to be on the principal account, the system can't do that and we already have students that are over the limit but we have to change what the process and food service and that's at every elementary student is allowed one charge and then it reverts to the principal account. It cannot be set at a limit. so what you're saying is it's not feasible. correct. okay, thank you. MS. Hixon? thank you. I'm still stuck on the wow sandwich and the throwing away of the tray. i

387have a different question on that. So, I'm just going to use pizza because that's easy enough. There is a pizza and fruit cup and there is milk. So the things that are salvageable are the fruit cup and mill many. -- milk. these are just suggestions. correct. right, this is what would happen. we would take away the tray and salvage. and then you would give them just a wow sandwich? yes. the idea of wasting food is really bothering me, is it possible that they keep the tray with the pizza but things that are valagable away from the tray and you use that even worrying about the sandwich, they just don't get the a la cart parts. If it's a hamburger, I'm just pizza, but whatever the thing is that we couldn't take, the part na you're

388going to actually throw away, I don't see the point of throwing it away, let them keep that in the place of wow sandwich, we don't buy wow sandwiches anymore and they take away the tray. is it possible, yes. It is possible. If I can just go back to the conversation in AUGUST, the reason that we collectively, the board agreed to implement this so we did not have the situation with the sandwich. That's why we said we were going to have the whole tray and not take anything away. right. but we're having to pay, I just feel like we're paying for two things twice. You have a tray that you're going to get rid of, that is still going to have to be paid for some way but it went in the garbage, and you paid

389foyer a cow sandwich. There is a lot of waste. They still have the tray and the main piece and that's what we consider the wow sandwich to be. you're correct. I'm really stressing about the wasted food, here. And, and the dignity of the student along with that n.I know if you take the milk and whatever, that might be also be a problem but at least they still have the tray with whatever the main thing is and we're not wasting food because, what a horrible example that is to anybody to be throwing away food to say I'm going to put this in the garbage but you can have a sandwich so we've paid for it twice, as a board. which is why we went with what we did in AUGUST, you're absolutely correct. right. That's why,

390I like the idea of no more courtesy meal in terms of a whole meal but I'm really stuck on the wow butter part because it's double cost for us, really at the end of the day, because you're throwing something away and handing them something else. That does not make sense to me. So that would be my caveat to number 2. Would be to not let them have the pieces we can salvage but not throw away instead of and don't buy anymore butter sandwich. We save money by not buying butter sandwich. Each thing is a little bit more but, I'm really struggling throwing the stuff away. okay. Could you, give us your positions on the obligations and the 688,000. so I'm, I'm a yes on the obligations because as jceir mentioned, that is happening right now.

391Somebody texted me they were at the elementary meeting and the principal said, you cannot go on a field trip if if you owe money on the food debt. Obligations make a huge difference to students and parents. So yes, on that. Yes with the caveat on number 2. so number 2, would be no sandwich at all. correct. is feel like that's kind of very different than doing a courtesy sandwich. so, so they have a trays, they bring it tup, they can't charge anymore right? So, we're going to take that tray away and then sand them with you. I'm with you, I'm opposed to that. The suggestion that you're providing is, a new suggestion, it's not option two with the caveat because option 2. well instead of the sandwich, they would just, they would not get the

392side pieces but they would get something instead of, I don't know what we would call it, but it wouldn't be the wow sandwich, it would be whatever is on the tray as oppose today throwing it away. it's the same idea, just I don't know. And I'm a no to the money. and on crowd sources, the solutions. The working group? yeah, yeah, I said that earlier, yes, sorry. okay. MR. Cervera, I'm just going to go around the table that's easier. I have you as a yes for obligations, a no for the courtesy sandwich. I don't know if you changed your mind to moved to hixon's caveat, I have uno on additional funding. I don't have your position on the crowd sourcing solutions and cash for the different treats, the a la cart. yes, on the crowd

393source funding. With the caveat that this district needs to do better job the marketing that with the resources that we have available, we got a great social media team, we should utilize that. And, the hixon cash money amendment, I'm in favor. okay and the phased approach? yes. okay, MS. Thompson, I have uz a yes on obligations, I have you yes on the courtesy sandwich. I'm going to change that to a no. okay, no on the 600. The cash, no on solutions. the cash? cash none. Money and phased approach I have you as a yes. allowing them, and staff said it was not very feasible but allowing them multiple opportunities and then, you know, then it goes to the I poll gie,z maybe I misinterpreted DR. Holness on the staggered. Did we go from 3 to

3942. Is 3 still the number. I think we're kind of general on that. so the principal will not let us limim.. so caot even dodo it. We caseservicinin account, we ha no charges in high school and one in elementary schools. So if we're going to limit, we would have to increase the charging in the elementary schools. my perhaps, I'm thinking of the wrong amendment here. I hate uses the term three strikes and you're out. After the third one. you would be getting the butter sandwich. you'll be getting the butter sandwich, does this board have the ability to, my colleagues talked about three being too many times, do we have is the ability to make that 2 times or is it stuck. there is two separate accounts. No we cannot do that. they're saying it would

395have to go to the fns act. and then you would have to extend the credit. and then they have to pay back. I apologize, I'm changing my vote to no. I'm a yes on obligation and no on courtesy sandwich, a yes on the funding, a yes on getting solutions from our community, a yes on the cash suggestion a no on the phased approach. DR. Holness, I have you as a yes on obligations. I don't have your position on getting our stakeholder input on solutions and the cash option. And on the phased approach I have you as a yes. But are you? so question on the phased approach. so is the phased approach that would be relevant to the second item as well, because they would get the courtesy sandwich after the phase approach is executed?

396In other words, if they go up twice or three times whatever it is, and they get that free lunch, then they go to a courtesy sandwich? yes. so I am, I am yes on the phased approach, which would then trigger a courtesy sandwich, after at phase is over. right. MADAM Chair, I hate to throw another complication in this, but, just reflecting what MS. Moulder said earlier, we've already gone through the phased approach, that's why we're here. We've gone through this for almost entire semester. What is she saying, there is numerous students that have courtesy meals. For those students have already had 20, am I going to get three more. i don't want to add anymore complexity but that's the reality, many have gone through this whole phased approach. I think MADAM Chair, I believe what

397we're doing today is setting a standard as to how we're going to approach this going forward. We didn't have that before, so we know we had many students who already abuse the system and have many sandwiches that they have for free. Going forward, where ever you are, starting today, which is where the clock starts ticking, then you get to whatever it is, one, two or three and it's done. My opinion is one. You know, but I guess nobody has a number on that. We didn't have any guidelines before. DR. Zeman I have you yes on obligation, yes on courtesy sandwich, no on fund ifing. I don't have your position on stakeholder input on the cash suggestion, well I have you a no on the cash suggestion and I don't have you on the cash approach.

398I have not shared my views on the other views, what are we trying to do, after the yes, yes, no. You said you didn't have my vote on. our crowd sources. what are we trying to achieve with the crowd sources. to work out the kinks that we've talked about today. So talking to teachers, students, parents, whether that's a working group a thought exchange. I'm interested in asking the superintendent to help find more information on this. and? the second thing was the phased approach. and what are we trying to achieve with that? I believe the idea was that we would give students several opportunities, and then it would go to butter sandwich, you know, I think the goal is clear, I think we heard very clearly from staff, they don't feel that that is feasible but

399we give the direction. so, I'm going to try to put it in the context of what I think is our job. I would like the superintendent, actually, if that's not feasible I'm going to say no, that's easy. thank you, and MS. Bulman. wasn't there a third thing, chair? I went through everything. MS. Bulman, I have you, I don't have your position on obligations I'm assuming you're a yes. I'm a yes. a yes on the courtesy sandwich and no on the funding. I don't have your position on the stakeholder input? I'm good with that. and the cash suggestion s I have you as a no. No have your suggestion on the phase. I'm not trying to make anybody's job harder, so I will says no on that as well. And I would like to give a

400little plug to MS. Moulder who is work to go do some other things, even if something gets thrown away, we're working on composting it, so thank you. thank you very much. i didn't mean to take your -- you're good. and I also want to thank all our nutrition service south side, you guys do amazing work. This is a department we always hear, we never almost hear complaints, we always hear compliments. You work very hard. Is the direction from the board clear today? if you can recap for me. I just want to make sure that I'm not the right page. yeah, so it looks like. -- I'm sorry MS. Alhadeff. Go ahead. it's okay. Well, you tell me what you have. I pretty much answered most of them. yeah, you did. That's why I forgot. I

401have you yes on obligation and no on courtesy sandwich and no on the funding. I don't have you on getting the stakeholder input. no, I think that should be the superintendent should navigate that. and I have you a no on cash for a a la cart and I don't have sue on the phases approach. absolutely no. We can't do it. thank you very much. So just to go back, so we want to move forward with the obligations. if I can ask a question. Is that from the beginning of the school year or o februarying tiff today. that's a good question. -- o affective today. I think it has to be affective today. it's not retroactive. So for tomorrow's lunch period, obligations go into affect. That means that the 307,000 outstanding, we're relying on the parents

402to pay that back with no repercussion and consequences. can you restate that please for the board. so obligations affective today. Meaning going forward, not going backwards, am I correct? didn't they -- please provide the context of what happens with each option. right, so if go forward, we still have about 307,000 that is outstanding debt. So my question on that, would be who will be responsible for paying that? Are we going to rely on families to pay back or is that money going to come from general fund? MADAM Chair. yes, DR. Holness. I believe we gave direction to the superintendent to have an exhausting effort to seek funding for whatever we currently, whatever is currently there which is 300-something-thousand. We will not be able to determine that until we revisit this if we do have funding

403to pay that. As oppose today making a decision to take that from general funds at this time. anyone else? what was our policy up to this date? Because jceir said it's been advertised that you have an obligation. it was advertised that we were going to have to start paying for lunch. like SEPTEMBER 30th? yes, around that time. so when you, so when the free lunch ended, SEPTEMBER 30th, then tt undering was as the policy that people would be bound and obligated to pay the lunch going forward? right. You're absolutely correct dp they were not eligible for free and reduced. I say we have it reproactive to OCTOBER first. If it's properly noticed to everybody in the district, then it should continue. haven't they already occured obligations. right 370,000. like johnny and susie, they have an

404obligation sitting there right now. I'm not sure that we were clear on telling them that they would need to pay back that money, we just said we were going to take the tray away. So the question is going to be do we go back and reask the families to pay the obligations going back to the beginning of the year or make it affective now. calling them. we have been. It's gone out since is the first day. they've been noticed that they have to pay. would I consider that notice, apparently going out from the 24th of SEPTEMBER, forward. With the text message or an email attached to it. so again, MS. Leonard, I want to make sure I'm cleared. so, I think the easiest thing is to go around and see do you want did to

405be retroactive and affective today. MS. Rupert? today. hixon? I would say retroactive continue what you're doing but if we find money, then we could, if I mean if they have not paid now, they're probably not going to. But we've already set something in motion, if you tell them it's okay now, then I don't think they're going to believe us moving forward. So I would say retroactive. MR. Cervera? retroactive. MS. Thompson. I just need clarifications individual parents have been notified that they have debt. you're correct. It goes up every day monday through friday, 4:00 o'clock. well I do auto pay maura. is changed mine. retroactive, as long as individual parent has been told what the student debt is. correct. okay. DR. Holness. today, and I have a quick question, DR. Hepburn, when do you think it

406would be feasible to any effort to try to get this already owed and can you update us? so when I get with the team and figure out what is a good cadence. About what is standing in that account. okay, and in the meantime food and nutrition should try to collect as much money as you can, but I would say affective today and pending update. DR. Zeman? retro. MS. Bulman. retro as long we've given proper notice. the board has moved with reproactive, we were a no with the phased approach. It was a tie for the cash, which I don't know how how that a possible. A tie is no, I don't know who we're MISS Ing, oh nora. I'm a yes on the cash. okay, so we're a yes on the cash then. We are a

407yes on to the superintendent, we would very much like stake hoilder input trying to come wup solution south side with problems identified today. A no on the 388,000, we'll go over the rest and no on courtesy sandwich and yes on obligations. and those are the big ones for us. Yes. so you're clear on direction. yes, obligations affective the beginning of school year, no student will have a stray removed, they will continue to have their tray and there is no limit on charges. thank you so much and one last thing, tell the superintendent that we want a certain type of meal given to a student is no different bha way we tell them wiz way to pay. And what format we want materials delivered to us. Especially with issues like this, whether we're talking about feeding

408children, again I welcome all solutions. So I look forward to hearing from our community on those issues. DR. Hepburn, are we good with that workshop? yes. from my colleagues we're close to the deadline where we have to revote, we have another workshop on supplements, if you want to continue, I know there is an event but this is a about a cost-saving measure, I wanted to go around and see if we want to continue with the workshop or if we want have the superintendent table the supplements workshop to JANUARY. I'm fine with JANUARY, because we can't implement anything until the following school year. that's correct. JANUARY. all right. Do any of my colleagues have any student success south side or issues you would like to bring to the board? is do. MS. Thompson. so as mention

409approximated yesterday, was west broward is in the state championship. Unfortunately, the game starts at 12:30 P.M. Which as everyone knows students are still in school. To the superintendent, is there a way that we can give the students a free day so they can attend the day. and the board too. [Laughter] yes, absolutely. we can do a similar to that type of professional learning day and turn it into a kind of half day. I know, the complications of the game is at 12:30 and the campus is going to be empty if we have a full day of school anyway. So with the board support, we can absolutely do that and provide that to our students and our staff. friday at 12:30 when we're interviewing people. oh yeah, I forgot the board memebers you're all tied up.

410Yeah. can we zoom. any other student successes or issues you would like to bring to the board? At the direction of the superintendent, the following agenda topics are scheduled to address following workshop, JANUARY 139ing. Mental health, college prep, governance school board responsibilities and head start and early head start oversight, district budget update and superintendent's diversity status report. FEBRUARY third, advisory committee report, broward virtual, franchise, rule development, rule development learning communities, rule development audit policies, legislative affairs and bond. FEBRUARY 17ing, policy review information systems, policy review benefits, district budget update, mid-section update, district strategic plan, policy 4.9 corrective action and transportation plan. Please note that the order of topics and subject to adjustment at the superintendent's schedule. This scheduled order of business for the school board workshop of school board of broward county florida, seeing no

411further obligation, I now adjourn the meeting.