School Board Work Session 6/6/2023 (Audio Session only)

001the only good afternoon the June 6 2023 board work session is now in order Paul roll call please here trying to find a flag you guys um well it's the water tower the water tower is that way um please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance there we go you know the water towers that way I guess that's the best flag we could find all right I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all to kick this off work session we'll be playing an icebreaker oh yes introduction game so with that um just Tammy do you want to take it over yeah so obviously we're going to test how Keen your investigative skills are

002we have slides in here for Jennifer but since she's not here we'll just like bypass them okay we're still good we still guess on them well do you know which one is yeah you can't I think so I have to look and see it's been yeah we'll tell you I think I know it all okay ready okay so the first one is Dr Burnell I have search do you want to read it I have served 30 foot waves on the North Shore of Hawaii so where this is back are we supposed to say true or false yeah which one is the lie all of his or just oh yes I have stood in the eastern and western hemisphere at the same time ready I have flown with the Navy's Blue Angels oh now it's time

003to in -floor for some questions all right we get to ask did you serve successfully that was 30. that's not how I played this game yeah yeah there's no other way to do it what board were you using when you did so Jerry Lopez 7-3 did you catch a like a boat out when you did it jet ski what country were you in when you stood in both hemispheres England it's like selling really good yeah I'm like so which is the LIE did you pass out when you were in the Blue Angels I did not six G's and I did not pass out um Ziegler went out like I figured and we have to guess now which one's false okay yeah okay okay which one's false one I'm going three Gene uh two and Maddie

004one which one's false wait are we just us guessing I mean that's all I was thinking um I'm laughing at mine that I gave you you're saying one yeah okay what yeah yeah all right all right you want to break it Allison hasn't weighed in yet oh Allison which one Allison do you know do you know okay all right but I know you do know so yeah which one did Allison say oh okay so I have flown with the Navy's Blue Angels that's uh I was a key influencer like Ziegler so I flew in Blue Angel number seven I did make it to 60s I did never pass out did not pass out and I did not vomit or anything like that wow that is actually a feat like more than not people know that's

005what I'm like when he said that I'm like no way that's not true I have stood in the eastern and western hemisphere at the same time in Greenwich England you can stand right on the farm pondered in with one foot in each hemisphere I have not served 30 foot ways on the North Shore of Hawaii I have surfed on the South Shore of Hawaii in the smaller waves from Waikiki Beach and in Kauai that have not surfed on the North Shore I if it's higher than me it's too high one point yeah yeah the majority picked number one point all got a point it's okay okay well there's something there's just some bizarre thing and they the women can take more jeans they do that in divorce Oh my he did not oh wow all

006right Katie Campbell uh-oh all right all right number one I've stepped foot on all seven continents two I've run in three half marathons three I was in a country music video and I don't know what your lie was so yeah I intentionally didn't give it to you yeah who got it correct okay what um which country music videos oh Eddie Rabbit sorry which one is it Eddie Eddie Rabbit oh you can't do that I'm not allowed to use them no you can't Google Antarctica yeah I know I was thinking you know you can go and like see the Penguins uh and do like a you know like stay there like a hotel but you can go across at the end of South America and go see the Penguins yeah Katie's not gonna be very good

007at lying him so we should just ask her a bunch of questions three half marathons all in Florida how long is a half marathon was one on the Disney princess I'm just laughing because mine yeah y'all are gonna laugh so hard all right y'all ready to go okay we gotta vote now okay you have to keep track because I don't know who the answer is oh okay well all right oh in the country music video did you sing or were you what did you do I am was a I had a little speaking line okay oh this is hard well I'm going with number one be quite a feat but yeah how so much what are you going for them one wow that really goes with one I can't lose two points like someone's gonna

008pick three though I'm picking three I'm picking three her answer my little she was you know you're right I didn't like that yeah you can stick with two I'm gonna stick with two all right Paul one [Music] all right you can vote on this one Tammy I am staying I want to say two okay all right break up yeah um so I have run three half marathons the Disney Princess half the Melbourne music half that goes over both causeways which is a really fun one they put like grand pianos on the cosplay and everything and then went across to St Pete Beach and ran uh the the St Pete Beach Classic I think is what it's called um so I also was in a country music video I was in the second grade and Eddie

009Rabbit came to Fort Worth to record um a patriotic um thing and I was I had a little line that said and Betsy Ross started the sewing Circle and then I actually got to run up and sit in his lap um which was a funny story because after I said my line all the kids were around him on this wagon and I wasn't going to be in that shot and I walked up to the director seven years old and said um why did I get to be in that part and he was like uh uh uh so he's like here why don't you come up and after you say you're lying and sit in this lap and then we got to go to Billy Bob's which if you're not from purple you don't know whether

010it's a big country music place I have stepped foot in five continents but I have not been to Antarctica but the penguin thing is true you can do that um and I haven't been to Australia it just takes so long to get down there and it's like it's a stretch but I have friends who've done it it happened on all seven continents so I've been to Kenya China I was born in Europe and went there last fall and then the end so who got the correct answer um Mark Allison Matt and Paul go first just copy his answer [Laughter] yeah I met my husband at Hooters I work two jobs while completing High School I have several hidden tattoos mine are so funny are your tattoos pictures or words a combination of both were you

011working I worked at a restaurant that sold chicken wings and hot dogs and then I also worked answering phones at a mortgage company witch Hooters Merritt Island which I don't think it's open anymore I don't know no there's caution taper up okay let's see probably after I met my husband I'm sorry but we should have always been talking today maybe that was always there yeah all right well I think it's working two jobs at high school was admirable but also believable like completely believable yes all right you ready for us to vote ready I'm gonna go with number three I have several hidden tattoos okay um number one all right and then my husband I'm going three okay Matt which one are you going with three definitely you guys all think I'm that one has

012been 100 or something well it wasn't one of your jobs there so um that's a good news right you would have really been like wait a minute I'm trying to go for the perfect zero score today so I'm gonna say two too okay oh he's thinking three all right is that it everyone all right I um I did actually meet my husband at Hooters it was in the parking lot uh we yeah met through mutual friends and I said he was gonna get my next boyfriend and now almost 19 years later we were still married so um I did actually meet him there I was not working there and I did work two jobs during high school so that is true um and I do not have any tattoos because your girl does not like

013self-inflicted pain and I'm scared of needles so I have no tattoos and I will stay true to the original campus that God gave me so all right so so far we have Dr Rendell Matt Susan Paul Gibbs and Ty for three oh man you guys are good at this game sure okay so think that we're on okay oh all right I've never watched an episode of Sopranos okay I'm just amazing yeah the pictures isn't that a soprano isn't that the thing I attracted it is him it looks like a wax figure that took a little too much time all right so I have never watched an episode of The Sopranos I got a perfect score on the math portion of the SAT and I have vacationed in Haiti we're out in Haiti did you vacation

014which one oh uh the left one you're not selling that very well listen I vacationed a lot in college and I don't remember where they were wow so what is the I know you've not watched are you saying claiming not watch it but what is The Sopranos about because I don't even know that please don't tell me I seriously have not watched I've never watched the Supreme no family next time I'm out of the flea market I'll get up they're always like the DVD sets are always for sale yeah taking my kids around all the time they love doing markets okay and a perfect score in your mouth fortune on the SAT huh so did that by the way I'm very nice when you were a teacher what subject did you teach math see all

015right you ready okay go for it I'm gonna go two I'm going with how do you know what what you definitely queued it up on that one he definitely said I don't know I'm going to also the left one really we might be the last one so I'll go with one oh I got one okay who's left Matt has an answer have you no I haven't what'd you think I'll go to other one yeah because the other guys went one and I'll be tied for first so the answer is um which one's online number two number two my first one I got right so now the tide so is that like your favorite show no I don't know all right I don't want to lie for full transfers I I did this wrong and number

016one is also false so you have one I'll give you the point so you uh so you have watched I have never watched an episode of The Sopranos so it's true so yeah yeah two I've never taken the SAT otherwise I would have gotten the Perfect Score [Applause] it's the act in the in the midwest we take a lot it's funny but you use that because when we did our get to know you gave when I first got on the board that was one of the things that I've got two and you did get a perfect score on the math part all right I figured because you're musical I mean okay and I do not know what Jennifer's lie is so I was just okay so so we'll have to so I just text her

017while we're doing it she'll answer yeah I'm sure it doesn't hurt the text well I'll text him and we'll add it after and alpaca created my wedding guest [Laughter] my cat's name is Elton John I believe that I think that's true that picture's funny I'm an Avid surfer oh no it's like she's afraid of the water for wine is true because I think she like did a resort wedding destination whether that's llamas llama spit do alpaca spit like that could be really bad welcome yeah she didn't fix that when she's afraid of the water okay so I'm not sure her husband is in lab at Surfer yeah I believe that yeah all right so we're all banking three is the LIE zero and we'll ask I should not have given you my Clues yeah so

018just on to the next yeah yeah so Paul I was born in Europe wait that was yours Katie yeah did we all get it right well we don't know okay well we're not we're not actually guessing on that one well we are yes you should guess in case there's a tiebreaker I mean there's no trophy at the end yeah I get all the snacks you brought your snacks [Music] and maybe we'll pass them off to them oh my no we're not packing those in our children I put one in a bag out there okay all right I was born in Europe like boring I have a personal best free dive at 6 to 14. what part of Europe were you born in Paul what specific town were you born said he was born somebody's gonna

019ask some more questions why do you think you're boring you take care of your kids man that's the point this is hard what is a free day like no tank yeah no tank no parking you go down how long does it take to go 64 feet down and back up it seems like that would be some time depends on your breath but how long does it take you did you use flippers when you did it or did you yeah okay um where's your were your parents in the military hmm how often do you dive as often as I can I love you guys do this somebody else one person this one if we say if we say anything but two then we're agreeing that Paul is extremely boring [Laughter] oh but he was so convincing

020okay I'm not going first on this one I know I don't want to go first either number three yeah those two kind of contradict yeah you're going down that's just when he got out of it yeah okay Paul what's your guess what you guys gonna laugh um uh I'm going number one I'll go three just because I feel like it probably 50 feet or something like that and he's just being technical yeah I added a couple extra on there not saying he's boring but you are he's very quiet I don't know we don't know you keep playing Rock Band on the weekends and we don't know that that would be a plot twist wouldn't it wow screamer yeah all right yeah what'd you say three all right Matt Outlaw I'm going last you are last

021you're last yeah I'll do three because I I do a lot of snorkeling and that is hard to do I can I can hold my breath for almost four minutes when I was in high school and I would go down 30 feet my lungs would collapse so 64 feet is deep is this you're wrong that's like I think that's pretty close to like a state record or something I don't know like it's I know there's some freaks in the there's some freaks in the Caribbean that can go pretty deep yeah that is deep like you go down there you hit 30 feet it's all you can't breathe we can't breathe underwater anyway [Laughter] we take a garden hose and I would be on the bottom of the reef at 30 feet and the garden hose

022would collapse that deep it couldn't hold it couldn't stay open because all right Paul which one is the can't change your voicemail I was born in Europe I am extremely boring yeah I have never freedoms but you did some reason what was 64 feet right what what was 64 what made you do [Laughter] [Music] I'm all right Market I can't remember honestly but are you ready yep you gonna read Matt oh you want me to yeah I was looking up the deepest spring a walk-on for the Bobby Bowden FSU football team my great-grandfather was the Detroit Michigan Chief of Police and I have a political science degree from the University of Florida what do you got three three you guys are all saying three yeah because he went to FSU doesn't mean I got my

023political science degree there it means I got my history degree there I did get a history degree in Memphis I don't think I'm 63 as well you guys are all saying three and you really think my grandfather was the chief of police in Detroit you have people all over Brooklyn's yeah you did go to FSU so I yeah three one one is a stretch for me but he says he plays rugby now though so I'm like maybe I could yeah I mean it didn't say he made he said he walked on the field so okay yeah I'm going three because of the whole Gator yeah wait Dr Randall hasn't answered I just think it would be pretty interesting if he got his science degree from Florida so I don't think he'd put that in there

024if you didn't if he put number one on there but he's like a die-hard FSU he's a die-hard FSU fan he is an athlete and I feel like he in his mind he wishes he had walked on Florida State so I'm going to go with number one it's an unfulfilled dream oh I like it I like that tactic everybody vote hopefully if everybody voted all right so the answer in 94 I did walk on and make a team I played a full season and then Bobby called us all in to Walk-Ons to his office at the end of the year he said and I got my ass kicked all season so like I ran the scout team offenses quarterback and then the scout team defense is outside linebacker and Bobby called us all in and

025he said he said guys I love what you're doing but I just want to set the set the standard that you'll never see the field because we have so many scholarship athletes that if I put you up there in front of mom on all this other stuff that was his thing but he wanted to be honest with me can I just watch Rudy and I thought I was going to be yeah I walked off the field and I went in as I was walking out the rugby team was playing across the street and I just played rugby for three more years so that was that my great grandfather was the Detroit Michigan chief of police he ran it pretty tough and I never got a political science degree my I refused to even go there

026half the time my daughter has to meet me outside that's what I was going to say I refuse to go on campus like I do not like the University of Florida the Gators are all you know that's just how that's one like if you're die hard for football if you're not playing in Florida State because they're a Florida team but I will tell you and they're basically Communists so some people might have caught up then yeah the winner is tie among Dr Rondell Matheson and Paul oh a three-way tie so now one thing what did Paul get wrong the challenge is on I was thinking something fun like I got his role who could do the high knees the longest wait a minute wait a minute [Music] you guys are really fun about think about

027if you just do a rock paper scissors they might be a little less do you do that three-way yeah [Music] flip a coin or you can pick a number between one and ten whoever gets closed okay wait a second let me think I've never met him he does comes up with two questions three another number boxed go right in the middle yeah but then I'm screwed dude oh man um yeah they're screwed now I should have gone ugly six Paul's the winner he had a gun in the middle yeah I didn't even think about it all right good job Paul all right so just just so everybody knows at 10 30 Paul and I have the time certain yo where where do we set up for that right here right next door is it all

028wi-fied up and ready to go so we got like five minutes okay so we're good to go we just leave it like 10 25 or something all right so the first thing is is that we talked about um Miss Campbell wanted to talk about working guidelines I figured this was a better better uh workshop for it um and I think it's a good Avenue to do today rather than at the board meeting there we go thank you all right Miss Campbell if you want to delete it or not this was kind of your discussion from the beginning yeah well I thought it was going to be it's always we should probably review these a couple times a year just to you know keep them fresh um and I thought it was gonna be a good

029time with Dr Rendell coming on um because this is an agreement not just it's not just a support working Ireland but it's agreements we make with a superintendent because we have always have opportunity to make adjustments if you there's something that you see um but these are our expectations of you your expectations of us and the staff and these are the things that if we these are the the agreements we make in the kind of Gentleman's Agreement General women's agreement with each other these are things that keep us out of the news for negative reasons um that we can that we can avoid there's some things we can't because people are not gonna like all the decisions that we make but sometimes you know we board members can be um guilty of just you know

030doing stupid things we don't want to do stupid things so this so I just thought we'd just walk through especially since it's Dr rendell's um first chance to kind of meet with us all together and let's just walk through so Matt you want to read or you want me to do that or well you want to read every single one of them well it's I think it'd probably be a good idea we don't have to stop and not discuss each one but just kind of go through um if you don't we don't have to no I just um let's read them it's not gonna yeah let's go ahead um so if the expectations for board meetings and agendas the board expects regular communication with the superintendent monthly BMS and some of us are very some

031people wanted more than monthly so you know you're yeah and Allison's setting us up for you you should be notified by email or text message as soon as possible for school emergencies student emergencies and staff emergencies um to receive board agendas and supporting documentation 14 days before the schedule for meeting with limited exceptions and for our newborns that usually means like our regular board meetings obviously special meetings we and workshops those get adjusted that all board members will receive the same information one member's request for additional information results and all members receiving or having the same access to information and special Communications are done for all board members so can we stop and look at 4A real quick yeah so so I've been approached by a couple cabinet members and other District personnel and they're

032like so if a board member reaches out and asks for information it's been our practice recently they say to respond back with the information to all board members kind of with preface an email with hey a board member asks for this information so I'm sending it to all board members is that what you guys are asking for is that kind of what you're looking for going forward you know because my answer to them was that that it makes sense for them to do it that way I think if a Boardman reaches out and asked like a specific question and answers quickly are you like a yes or no or do we have a bus route you know in such and such neighborhood yes I mean you know I don't think that requires a email blast

033back to all board members but if someone's reaching out and saying how much money do we spend on this or how much money do we spend on that or you know do we have Personnel that do this or do we have Personnel that do that you know I think that kind of answer should go back to everybody since this is I mean there's certain times of Staff get back gets back with me with specific questions about specific school or specific need right but those they're really good at the general thing one thing that we did during our interim Dr Schiller kind of tightened it up where it had to go all had to be routed through him first and there were so many answers that we never got back because they got they kind of

034got locked off there so the way it is back to where it used to be where they just respond to all of us yeah it's very always totally fine with that yeah so the reason for that was that Schiller was trying to control the narrative and we know that now right I made a public records request for all of Schiller's emails so I'm going to provide those to you guys when I get them that's everything that he had the whole time so that everybody knows what was going on because there seems to be a lot of things that were flying you know that means some unanswered questions and stuff like that I think the other thing in this regard is is that we have board members that are that are asking questions about what other

035board members are doing and we need to make sure that that ceases to exist too because that's Sunshine violations and stuff like that so if um if you can tell staff that if if anybody's request says like what is this board member doing or starts asking questions about it it gets into that Sunshine so just make sure that's different yeah I mean each of the cabinet members and other District Personnel they seem fairly confident in how to do this they just wanted to know if they wanted if I wanted that to continue yep or go back to that practice I'm like absolutely I think that's a good and we'll still utilize the smartsheet that we've been using right or no are we going to still continue that because well one of the things we wanted

036to get back to now is because we had a period where Schiller was putting so much stuff on the agenda and he was adding stuff to last minute he was doing all those different pieces so now that we have a strong agenda we can go back to the original plan which Tammy developed that process about us putting it into the system and then it coming up and everything else for the policies and Direction yeah because what had happened yeah so if we go through that process and I'll have her send it back out that by Friday you have all of your questions Dr rindel has already said that he wants to make sure that we're not adding anything so you have everything so if you have any questions by then you can request it and

037it goes back to the same topic and we can all see that well and I shared with Dr Rendell when I when I met with you this week one of the frustrations or difficult things that I've experienced as a newborn member is that this number three so the supporting documentation so what I am noticing is there's placeholders on an agenda for items but things aren't added until the very last minute and when you're talking about reading through 2000 comments or 150 page PowerPoint or and it gets out at 48 hours that's really not adequate time for us to go through that so if there's any way to really concrete I'm not even saying 14 days but seven days I feel like that's a fair request to say hey seven days every supporting attachment needs to

038be on there with the exception of personnel changes I understand the reasoning behind that um so that we can prepare because otherwise things come up at the board meeting and I have to ask the question in front of everybody because I didn't have time to to email and get responses back so yeah actually our policy on I can't remember which number it is but it talks about those few exceptions Personnel being one um there's a couple of things that are allowable to make last minute changes but the policy actually yeah Personnel I think emergency purchase orders were you know things that break and we got to go right and I imagine safety security is also an exception but that hasn't been the standard so thus far so if we can get to a place where

039we're doing that that would be helpful for me just so that I have the full week to go through because our agendas are heavy we have a lot of things that are on there so to adequately research them and ask the questions ahead of time instead about the board meeting it would help me to have that week yeah I mean I think the rule of thumb or the guidance is obviously anything you're going to vote on you need time to to digest and research and ask questions so definitely business meeting agenda items you need to get the backup you know at least a week out the workshops some of that sometimes we're creating that information before the workshop and workshop's a discussion session anyway so you may not get back up for a workshop till

040the day before or even that day we may be presenting something so yeah but you're not voting on that so that's more like and we want information yeah [Music] staff is and I'm sure it was a Schiller issue because I mean it was at a board meeting on a break and I asked a Cabinet member a question and they just looked at me and said oh I can't talk to you you have to go through the superintendent and I hope we don't have that anymore yeah it was never the practice Yeah I think that's in here yeah yeah but just just be clear that was said and I don't know if that was the standard of it that board members will treat each other and stuff can we pause on this one for a minute

041let's pause we're gonna talk about it because I mean that I I would like to have this conversation which is uncomfortable as this is going to be um it is okay that we all have different opinions on on matters and that's actually welcome that's how we strengthen as a board but there has to be a mutual level of respect for every single one of us because each one of us is elected to do a job by people you know by our constituents so when we come forward with an opinion or an idea um that could be a result of multiple people that have come to us in the community and said this is something that I need you to advocate for or work on um and it can't be shot down and and I it

042has to be heard out in a respectful way um so I would just like to say moving forward I would love for us all even if we disagree give each other the time to speak it out and then respond back to it in a respectful way even if you disagree with it with whatever's being said and I just say you know one things we need we need to remember on a practical point one we just need to do it as people disrespected people but on a practical point I would remind everybody sometimes wouldn't always realize that even when your microphone is not on there are stage mics and I have had people reach out like I heard that sigh or I heard that comment they made people are hearing things that were saying under our

043breath um and our roles and and things like that so we just we just always need to be aware that it's really hard to be on camera for a really long time but that's part of the job and um Magnus need to be careful about how we're responding to when we're talking or um you know sharing ideas even if they are not what we agreed with and I think I think when you look at that there's the other there's the piece that when we're in a heated argument not to cross so like when one person's talking and another person comes right across and starts cutting them off that's what we're talking about and if if there's a person in the middle of the heated arguments you say hey I'd like to speak I'll get to

044everybody but when we jump I've done out of respect for the whole board I don't want to cut them off and say the other person is speaking but I'm going to start doing that just because I wanted it to flow a little bit but I need to start kind of cutting that behavior off so just so you guys know if you don't ask me and you guys jump in I'm going to cut it off and say hey um wait until the person's completed their speech you know what I mean and then we're going to go from it I think that there's going to start to just be a lockdown on some of those procedures because we get passionate but the thing is is that um you know I mean it causes anger and then it

045just escalates the whole thing the other thing is is that I'm going to wait until you say I'm finished because there's been a couple of times where Miss Jenkins has a long pause and I think she's done and out of respect for her I don't want to I just assume that she's going so I want to be able to complete that so if you guys can when you're done say okay I'm finished that way we know to break to the next one and that's why the other people understand does that make sense right the other thing is is that um there's been a couple of times Katie where you brought up like um the conference in front or the legislative conference when we were over there you came out and said what about these things

046hi hi Matt how you doing good you remember me I do Holly I'm 35 years retired from the school board [Music] thank you but like now we know that those were um that the the budget is transparent they're putting that online that they were working on the Career and Technical for the firehouses in the North End so like when that stuff happens please figure out a way to get through Paul so that we don't have that because there was a Florida Today article that came out hit me and I was trying to be respectful of the board and saying hey you know what I mean like these accusations and I was trying to not come out and slam in the middle of that meeting and so you're incorrect and go in that conflict I'm not

047going to back down on my opinion on that because you're you're wrong on both of your accusations I was not wrong in what I addressed with you which is that was not initiative of the board you were there the legislative delegation meeting to present the legislative agenda of the board we were working on transparent budget we were working on all the things that I talked about that is awesome firefighter thing was not something that the board had talked about and their staff was already working on it staff was already meeting with the HR Director at Brevard County they were meeting with everybody else that was not what you were there that night I'm sorry I was there to speak to what Brevard Public Schools is doing for the community and so that the legislative delegation

048understands it and we were expanding in Career and Technical education and I said that and then you hit me with it and I was like calm down and then I even asked you afterwards I said if you could talk through Paul bring that up so that we could do it actually what you did yeah you asked me to call you and I'm not going to do that you can call me on those kind of things then go through Paul because when you brought it up against Schiller that was another attack and those were the things that when when you were making an accusation that I hadn't made this that I had this outlandish plan that Andrew ramjit was going to present and all that stuff that was through Schiller Schiller had set that thing he

049had asked me to set those things together and then at the last minute play the game and you bid on it and then you came at me so please go through Paul to try to set those things up ahead of time don't just come because an hour before that meeting he told them you could present and he told me that too then he called him in and attacked him and held him I had my own reasons that day and it didn't have to do with I'm believing everything Dr Schiller has to say on these things we're gonna have to disagree I still think you have acted inappropriate as a chairman several times those two things that you mentioned are two of them yes they're completely false accusations I don't believe that that they're not you

050I I just said it clearly your job and from the legislative delegation was to present the board's legislative agenda which we had discussed don't interrupt me don't man explain to me I am a perfectly intelligent human being who served on this board and I'm going to do my job and when we talk about on these things that you are the spokesperson for the board you are there to present at the legislative delegation meeting what the board's agenda was we all had a meeting where we sat and talked about those things and when you got up on the microphone in front of the delegation and all the people you added several things which were not the Forestdale education or not the board's agenda and you can say oh yeah they're working on this and get I'm

051finding that out from you I found that out from you afterwards well that's so nice you got up in front of the public and said we're going to do all these things we had just had that meeting before that on Monday yes and you had brought the zoo in to talk about their volunteer program and you then you stood in front of those people said we're gonna do we're going to do like the Zeus volunteer program we're going to do something with Health First I'm like I've never heard that before at all we shouldn't be caught we shouldn't be finding out on broadcast that's going all over Brevard and you know on YouTube what the initiatives are of the districts that are coming out of your mouth because you're not speaking for the board at

052that point your job at that point was to be a representative for the board you were at the as a board chair you were you were a spokesperson for the board but you still said all these other things that weren't the board's initiatives there's Brevard County schools as the board chair I can speak and every single legislative delegation that we've ever had prior to that we have sat around in round tables or in front and talked about other initiatives that we have when we were with all of them through the years the only things that came up inside those meetings were not things that were on the legislative delegation it's what our Public Schools is doing we have an opportunity and the reason that we couldn't go in front of them the reason we didn't

053have a round table where we could all be a part of it which I was trying to engage in is because there was a lawsuit between Jennifer Jenkins and Randy fine so the whole delegation said that unless we couldn't bring Jennifer Jenkins which I refused to do was Carver out we would have to go present in front of them just like that that doesn't so just hang on a second I listen to you so the issue is is that as a board chair you are allowed to brag on the initiatives of the district whatever those are and when you're in front of the delegation just because you didn't know that we were moving to a transparent budget which was already happening which Sullivan had already talked about just because you didn't know that they were

054already having conversations with opening up fire schools and all those things doesn't mean that you have to attack me in a board meeting I've actually asked about the fire things yeah they met with the HR directors all the way through the north they met with with the HR Director from Brevard County they met with all of those people to set those those schools up eventually so those were some of the initiatives that were going on but instead of actually communicating it you bring it up at a board hit me right I didn't even know there wasn't a hey Matt I'm going to ask you questions about this you hit me then there's a Florida Today article which furthered the falsehoods of what was what the accusations that were being made and then you did it

055again with the whole sugar thing and so it's what we need to do is find a way to not make accusations that are false and go through go through Paul that's what we need to do so if you have a question ask Paul ahead of time and then if you would have said hey Paul I'm hearing this I have a concern about it then I would have been able to react and said hey Paul here's what happened and he can find a way to communicate that back to you but to just open grandstand against somebody and when it's not true that's hard you know that no well you should know me long enough and well enough to know that I don't do things for grandstanding that is not my goal I'm I did call you

056out I'm sorry that you didn't like it I'm not backing down off either one because the ramjit thing either it was the same thing I had a problem and it wasn't directed specifically to you unless you were the one who allowed it you were allowing it as a chairman you know I got overruled we heard him but there was a staff member a subordinate and I had talked to more than just Schiller enough to know that and I because I talked to some of the people we're going to present that there was there was not communication there was not who was going to be on there what was being presented there was another method and that was a whole mess and I didn't think that that particular staff member as a subordinate should have been

057allowed to do all that without and I okay so it's still a little you know why are we even going back into this it was wrong it shouldn't have happened the way that it happened you don't have to agree with me but I still think that it was out of line for that presentation to happen and I'm not backing down off of that so let me tell you exactly what happened on January you can make the accusations I'm going to finalize this on January 5th we all came together we set up a bunch of initiatives one of those was the expansion of Athletics it's inside the notes right after that Schiller and I mapped out hang on hang on hang on WE mapped out all the meetings on a whiteboard I think Tammy saw it

058I took a picture of it all of them the date for the expansion of Athletics was March 7th so he was asked at that time just be prepared for a presentation that's what happened it was all lined up he actually asked him now Schiller if Schiller wants to say that he didn't that's one thing but me as a board member when I'm sitting there and I reach out and I say hey just to make sure you've got everything are you ready for the presentation is all I did that was preset by Schiller which was an initiative that we talked about with this with us and it would came out but instead of saying anything literally as at the board meeting you come out and hit me that's exactly what against you why was that against

059you you tried to stop a meeting that the board chair and the superintendent had already preset and asked the staff member to come out and do I it's just it was it was inappropriate that if you had that bad of a situation then go through Paul to ask because I would have said immediately here's the facts and I would have been able to help you but instead you tried to cut it off and it made it like we need your help to communicate with this difference and at the time Dr Schiller was a superintendent and I did go to him I went to Africa to everybody that I could you know what I'll use Paul when I need to use Paul and Paul you know but and there you know I would be happy to

060sit down with you and Paul and let's hammer out some things that are you know not breaking sunshine and talk about leadership styles and things like that I'd be happy to do that I'm telling you right now I will I will work as hard as I can and you and I have had you know come to Jesus meeting and talk about how we communicate and I will work as hard to work under the this balance because we're all equal to work with you I have I have deliberately respectfully tried to do my job as carefully as I could and I don't say things that I don't mean I mean I'm very careful with my words but I had a problem with those two in particular and I'm not backing down off of those so we

061can move forward I'm I'm trying to explain to you that it was an agenda item that was set by the superintendent in the board chair and the Athletics knew about it and you I asked him that day Matt I said Dr Schiller did you know about in the public meeting that you're talking about I said were you were and he gave the honest answer he he did say yes okay just going all out and the rest of the board said fine let's delete they're here let's go ahead and speak them but he was he is a subordinate Dr Schiller had his own group that he'd been meeting with that they were developing stuff now it may not have been as complete as what he played it out to be but they were having meetings listen

062here's the deal if we have a situation where you have subordinates beneath us in the superintendent is a subordinate the way to communicate I didn't bring this up because I'm trying to say it's wrong it was I'm not trying to prove a point I know that I was writing what I did but what we have to do is communicate that to Paul so that we can avoid these things in the future if you're feeling uncomfortable about something there has to be an Avenue that you can go to so like when you're having a situation and you're like this is wrong this is wrong it's literally the day before that meeting when I'm finding out who knew and who didn't know what was supposed to be on the agenda for seven days it was on the

063agenda for seven what was happening on it was not on the agenda for seven days he was giving a presentation it was on the agenda and it was sitting there for seven days and it didn't become an issue until we started getting wonky there at the end just ask Paul I can answer it avoids the public thinking that there's something wrong when you did it both times it made it look like we were dysfunctional and it wasn't we were talking about the expansion of Athletics and what he's been doing and how we can promote it that's exactly what well for anything that I have done over the last four and a half years to make this board look dysfunctional I am truly sorry [Music] this is not the issue the issue is is that we

064just need to find a process that's what this is so I'm not saying I'm not can I jump in here just for real fast just for like I couldn't by all moment all right thank you so obviously there's animosity and tension between the board and and really what what this Board needs to do is we need to work towards something instead of against each other and so if we were fighting as hard as we're fighting with each other towards our schools and our Pub and our kids this would be moving a hundred percent in the right direction and so I think going back to these working guidelines what we need to do is we if there's an issue I'm one that will take it with to you directly and I will do it in a

065private Manner and say I have a problem with how this was handled I need you to hear me and I need you to respond differently the next time that something's going on I will never ever blast any of you publicly even if I'm frustrated with you guys and so I think as a working guideline can we make that the Precedence that we set that we're going to fight for our kids and we're going to fight for our schools and our teachers but we're not going to fight each other because our battle isn't against each other guys I hate to say it but we're one board that's supposed to be moving Brevard County public schools in the right direction and if we're fighting amongst each other we are never ever going to see the amazing things

066that we could do if we're fighting alongside each other towards a common cause well we'll help I'm going to stand number five for a second yeah let me just say this the problem is you said that you would call them I tried to set that up with Katie and she said she was afraid of sunshine which there is I mean if you talk to Paul there is a concern sometimes about sunshine she does have a valid point there we need an Avenue to avoid the the the headaches that's all right not just ask for clarification on this so if we are having a disagreement or we're not happy with something that the any one of us has spoke about are we there's no sunshine violation to call and say hey Katie hey Gene hey Matt

067hey Jennifer the way that you handled that could have been done a lot differently is that I mean that's not that's not a voting matter yeah it's not a voting matter um it's probably not a sunshine violation depending on what you're discussing and what the issue was but uh if somebody does a public records request and sees that you call that on Sunday they're going to say what were you talking about and all that and it's just going to raise questions right and I understand that but I mean I think it's that's where Matt's going and he's like if there's another Avenue for doing that like you guys can meet like before a meeting after a meeting this comes up so quickly and then you just like afternoon can we talk for a second and

068step aside and say hey I don't like how you did this or that then there's nothing there it's just the question of if somebody got the phone records they send it to the state attorney he's got to open an investigation yeah and we're going across the street well yeah we can interview everybody okay what would be the best play for a situation where one of us is like there's an issue coming and all that stuff what's the best plan for that since you're the what do you mean so miss Campbell doesn't if she's if she's upset about the fact that we went she feels like there's some things that were said that weren't or whatever that is what is the best plan for her to understand that it's going to be topics specific so the

069facts are going to be really specific the board approves what goes to the uh at that uh no forget that what I'm saying is if she has an issue about anything what's the plan for her to get the answers to those prior to a board meeting so that like that like your plan would be go through Dr Rendell okay setting up those agendas usually so he's in charge of the agendas up until up until they're released to the public once they release to the public you have to bear you have to approve all changes so the ideal situation we call Dr Randell say why is this on the agenda what's going to be presented or whatever and he can explain okay that's the ideal Avenue so the best way Katie would be to go through

070and tell what the problem we had was that Chiller was manipulating all of us yeah to to fight each other that's what was happening right but that is who we had and that is what I did and again number nine no surprises would help a lot all right can I talk number five real quick you guys good yeah for now yeah um the whole respect with um with each other we do have to respect our Styles they may be different um that's not even what I wanted to touch on but there's lots of things that it could say is don't like how you said something or I came out wrong but it's just your style or it's just your style it's just Jennifer's style and so be it um I don't think board meetings are

071the place to to say I I disagree just to disagree however it's not even what I wanted to talk about the the respect thing and I I think that goes towards how we talk to each other on the board but also after the board when we go to the social media is there I have to talk about it now is for example the redistricting you know when and she's not here but I have to say it because I mean she had an opportunity to be here but to go back to your school board member page and start cutting our legs up from underneath us as a board that's disrespectful and this is where it's up and I'm going to have to say it because it incites I don't say violence but it incites the the

072stuff that you see at our board meetings when we have people come up to just say you're ugly and I don't like you and it's because of things like when when when a board member says the redistricting decision was politically motivated and done so with zero thought for best serving students and staff that's just people take what we say online is we know what we're talking about she doesn't know crap about my decision my voting and it's out there and talk about inciting the first response was I can't stand them they're talking about us and I was a board member that put that out there not a phone call not a hey I disagreed with the decision here it comes let's meet with Paul and that is not if that doesn't stop I mean things

073could turn to violence if every decision we make is going to be put out there that we have a we have a uh a pack with Randy fine or another politician which none of our decisions have been because of you know I took I took this one really to heart because first off you're telling me you know why I've done something like I've explained it in that process for example and I'm just using the redistricting this because that was our last decision and it was probably both you guys you know that um that really said we did it politically motivated I don't give a who where we live in the districts had nothing to do with that and even if it did it's still not it's not right for us to go out and attack

074the board members if if anyone I know you know well this is under personal website I mean personal Facebook page I would assume if I did that I would be getting a call from somebody here saying hey what are you doing I mean one should not have shouldn't be on an island and have the right to just go off and be an activist that's an activist uh uh language you know I would be just as upset if you posted you didn't like the redistricting decision but you didn't go on there and say let's rally Behind These but these people did it the wrong way and the next board meeting you should be there spewing bad things looking at your facial expressions which those things are not going to change people need to grow up and

075and not videotape and say he raised an eyebrow but our own board members doing that is there any recourse so that's not right I think what you're talking about is is um making fact based arguments because we have it inside of here that after a vote is done we're allowed to go on social media we're allowed to talk to the Press about fact-based stuff the issue is is that and this is this dives into another area but um spreading false accusations with no proof as a board member I think is detrimental not to the board but the district I mean the motivation behind it now you cannot like a vote but to then say concrete this is the reason why that's wrong I mean you might as well say you know someone is a uh

076they made this decision because they're a billion they made this decision because they're a racist they made this decision where would you stop if that's a lot if that stuff is accepted Where Do We Go From Here well part of it is being a grown-up and not running to the internet yeah to voice your you know Discord with the board so again the board has to figure out are we going to move in the right direction that's for our kids and our teachers and our students are we are we going to fight with each other because this board will only be as strong as as our weakest link and that's the reality of it so um wherever that's at um I see somebody laying the ground for political gain later on and it's wrong I

077think I think it's wrong in general to post false things on the end absolutely I've been I've been and it's in a time when we're it's creating a narrative without their news organizations that would rather post the false narrative and it's creating another component so I think if we focused on our fact-based arguments if we focused on what's the better good I was trying to I read a book that just came out and I was trying to get the name of it the wisdom of the bullfrog and it talks in there about how we lose overall with when we come out and try to make a point to win we lose as a district and the goal should be that we as a group when not we as an individual win yeah and that's when

078I was yeah so I showed up in dribble whatever that book was I mean we're not there to do anything other than the business and govern that the school board but when we go and attack personal the decisions on on our personal motivation that they know nothing about I would never do that to you I don't know what you guys are thinking unless you publicly stated it well we need to be careful on I I hear you and I don't disagree but we need to be careful with swing back to end the board run and I understand Matt you think that I violated this in what I did and I we're just you know I apologize to you for any disrespect that was sent your way I want to go back to something because we

079do the the little comments also I'm just gonna we need to be careful about the little comments I honestly I think we decide if we could be more mindful that of the constantly on TV constantly and it is hard but every little com there is no place on the dice for you can be as sarcastic as you want to in your personal life but there's no place on the diet for sarcasm there's no place on the dice for um snide remarks or you know because even if we almost like there's hardly a place for joking because it can get taken the wrong way and it has been I know you've been a victim of that but don't give everybody the invitation to do it you know so all those like there's just there's just it's

080it's really sarcasm doesn't play well from the dice and so I think we need to be careful of that too because if we're just inviting people to add to now the whole microphone and the eye thing I'm like that was that was really dumb um but because I look at the picture I'm like what what so but but there's sometimes and we'll call it working mistake or people said things that like they probably never really intended would it would have would have said you know in a private conversation but now we're up on the we're on microphones on live TV so we just need to be careful of those things too so I think we all agree that snide remarks comments all of those things falsehoods don't make it better right but there's no nothing

081we can do as a board to stop somebody besides to tell them that they're wrong and unfortunately right am I right Paul I mean we can't censor somebody well he killed it if he got out of control there is a way to censor board members but the thing is is that for the most part the problem that we're also having is that our news organizations are running with that and that's the political cocktail that we're dealing with is that when the falsehoods are said it creates an article that is wrong and then people are like oh this is true and it's not right so what do you guys want to do in relation to that do you want to give me the authority to call the person through Paul and say hey this is the

082things that we saw do a post meeting these are the things we need to change email Paul some of the concerns that we had from the previous meeting until we get it straight identify them I understand we say this but then what is the outcome because there's another tale to this that I'm going to talk about Paul what do you suggest you're the parliamentarian please he is he is going to depend on what the issue is and is it something likely to come to the Border or back to the board investigation you guys can't talk to each other outside of the knee but we can say that was a personal attack that was wrong it needs to stop don't even need to talk about the topic but he's posting and it's like they're advocating against

083you I just bring it back to the hey you know our guidelines we've all agreed not to attack the overall decisions of the Border do you want me to bring that up in the board meeting you just said you didn't think that would be good because he's telling me that that's what I need to do well that's the rules that's what you can do I don't know that that's not likely to come back to the board at all so you've got that off to the side and say hey I was told I saw your post or whatever yeah and that's you know we've agreed to act in a certain way and you're attacking the decision of the majority of the board what if we identified it as a situation and then you came to the

084person and said because you're the parliamentarian and just said hey if you remember the guidelines were there and make the recommendation to the person that because that's not a violation of sunshine right now um that that just saying hey you violate the guidelines isn't it going to be an issue for the board to ever discuss other than to say hey I think we've been having problems and we need to have this type of discussion again okay where are you guys going together I mean that's fine if that's how you guys want to handle those I just keep going back to that I'm going to jump in here right now because the second that I have to take my grievance with another individual to another individual that now makes the problem bigger and I know but

085I'm just saying like to me I I don't want you to take your grievance with me to somebody else to bring it to me because I'm going to be a little more frustrated that you did that versus just coming to me and saying hey Megan can you do me a favor you're jumping in there and you're you're stopping someone from talking and you shouldn't do that like we need to respect each other I would appreciate that and I there's no value nation of sunshine to do that so I think the proper manner the biblical manner is to take your grievance directly to that person so that's right is okay with that yeah so this is and this has nothing to do with Katie but if anybody else however I think it's better how far one-on-one

086is wonderful unless the end result could be something bigger and we don't if we don't have a track record proven or on on record let's just say I don't like our decisions on whatever next Tuesday and I say you do it for this reason and you don't like it you come to me and say that's fine but I keep doing it and then you come to me and say you didn't like it but I keep doing it but eventually is there a censoring thing because so if they're Accenture sure so if there is we need to have probably something documented that you here's the here's your behavior but if we keep going individually nothing's documented nobody there's not a third party there we may have to that's not going to stop um so if there's

087if there is what's the regulation on censoring there is a piece of the proper tools I'm not a fan of it but if he wants to ask is greater in scope yeah than and it's not really designed very well for public elected official bodies so you guys can't like in under Northern normal circumvent you can kick somebody out of the room for the day and yeah you're out go we're removing you you can't do that particularly the scoreboard so that it's limited you can certainly say hey the board finds that you violated our rules and working policies and we're basically admonishing you to follow the rules that's about all you can do but so be it first amendment it's a gentleman's agreement right it is but I'm just hoping if I say something ignorant I'm

088getting a call to someone's office I mean maybe I'm just used to being a I'll do it the subordinate right that would never happen however um you know I'm getting a call even if it's the superintendent to say I this just doesn't make it makes my job harder when you're doing this what are you doing um I would assume I would have called in by but if if it's the chair my common sense says I'm getting a call from the chair and say what are you doing that's making us look bad as a whole is that proven fact are you sure we should be talking in fact I mean is there any process or is there anything or is it just free right right I just go out there and post you know it's a

089woman's vote yeah that there you go how about that I'll just the three women voted on something and they did it because they were women and the guys wouldn't have done that so that's not something I would say but it just makes us all look bad and if there's no repercussion of that or even a a discussion or a talk and I'm just saying it's not going to get any better guys it's only going to get worse if we don't at least address it we all came together in January we all came together and said these are the rules that we want to come by I think that we all I do not disagree that every single person cares about the kids tremendously and wants to make this thing work it's just how we do

090it so I think that we should be able to reach out to each other and say hey that was BS and stuff like that and if it continues then we'll bring it up to the board as a discussion and just say hey this is we want to as a board do this and Dr Rendell if you want to meet with us and tell us if you have any ideas you know what I mean that's good too but I think having to be honest with you having Dr Rendell as far as stabilization and everything else is going to go a lot better because we were getting we were getting a lot of communication back and forth through Dr Schiller that was a manipulative situation and I think we felt that and we're still feeling the tail

091end of it so I I think that I'm okay with if I screw up call me um and I like that a lot better I just was I tried to do that with Katie and she was concerned and that's right I offered it to her and she um she was worried about sunshine so that's understandable so how about this as like a cya because I understand I understand what you're saying as far as it's potentially creating a public record that now is going to be brought into question um my promise to you board members is if I have a grievance with you I will take it directly to you and I will follow up with an email to Paul to say Paul just FYI I called so and so to discuss the grievance I had

092over their behavior at the board meeting and then it just covers it so that if it gets brought back up we now have an email that that conversation was about because people are talking to other phone call is but that just covers the basis if they write down what you were yeah just to send an email and then that allows us we shouldn't be fighting publicly what we have so many fights our fights aren't against each other guys we have a lot of fights right now from every different angle but it's not with each other it really isn't so if we can get on the same track moving forward be passionate about what you want to see change and what you want to see implemented in our schools let's fight for those things let's not

093fight with each other so we contact the person directly then shoot Paul an email saying hey this is what we talked about yeah call Paul ahead of time to make sure that the way you craft that email might might need to be done the correct way because sometimes we put stuff in there and you're saying hey yeah I brought up you know comment you made that I didn't like during the meeting or I didn't mind being surprised or whatever and it was a violation of our guidelines to surprise them and if there's something coming up that's an issue that we're trying to head past you know pass off all these documents in some way because we also are creating a public record every time we do that yeah head off at the pass if we're

094trying to hit something off the pass I think we have a stable superintendent now that'll kind of explain through the process I don't think that's an issue so we get there agenda related items are easy this got added last what was the basis and you should be able to explain like hey we really need this so we put it on the workshop last minute we know it was a little late but okay there's one other thing I want to bring up real quick um in the event there's tailing on to the back end of this I've gotten a lot of emails from um an individual that's on the board that sends emails out attacking legislators attacking other individuals right it's creating a situation of like one was an email to the mayor of Paul uh

095Paul Alfrey of Melbourne making fun of his lisp right and those are going to bring us into some sort of communication issue where that's going to bring us into defamation lawsuits that's going to bring us into all of these other things and it's in line with some of the stuff that's going on online so Paul do you have any like is there any anything that we can do as a board to inoculate ourselves from a board member that continues to do improper behaviors does that make sense to you so like if somebody's out there doing things that are going to hurt the board can we give direction as a board to say hey please stop and if you don't then did you see what I mean because I got issue with it right I mean

096other than if it's not board business well they're using the school board email to attack constituents to attack legislators attack community and it's not and and sometimes those people are they're in a locked up like I get attacked all the time I get an email at least every day or two yeah right and I just say this is why I feel that you're wrong and everything else I've never gone after them because what happens is we lose and I think this board with this document is saying we don't apply for that okay I mean you can Circle back to the working guidelines um all right that's not board business so I would say one it shouldn't be on District Communications if you're attacking other politicians from the political side and in the event that there's

097somebody comes and files a defamation lawsuit against the board based upon actions that are outside the purview of the school districts and then we as a board will not we will not protect them right and that's that's a we can say that together right right yeah okay if they're found to be outside the scope of their work it wouldn't be indemnified by the board or come in and take its own defense it was just a concern that I had so I want to make sure that we as a board understand it and then if it comes up then we're okay that's all somebody okay on that yeah all right one other thing that I had to do is is that there was one instance where and this is in this area um we had a

098board uh agenda item that I put on and then a member came up and removed it just so you know I understand some of the concerns behind it there's no reason why any board member can remove an item off the board right off the internet off the agenda okay board member and superintendent that's it and normally you should just go through the superintendent for the board chair and just say hey this is red hat I need it all right because the concern was valid but we just need to go that route and um even if it's can't get a hold of somebody or somebody has to sit there because it's huge violations with ethics and everything else so we don't hear that absolutely yeah all right I think I'm good all right well we made

099it to number five oh no I'm like I feel like we got through all these things some of them see if we can just skip through oh sorry Dr Randell you got something well I mean number six yeah so I'm gonna treat everybody with respect or do my best yeah all right that's my number six you sit there and listen to us for the last half hour so yeah that's that's good response [Music] for the next seven months uh seven the reasonable requests for additional information will be satisfied in a timely manner and in the past if it's required a lot of work on the type of Staff you can advocate for that with whichever board member you know to try to reduce it down it's possible number address board member concerns or discussion topics

100that are work session when feasible instead of during a board meeting provide the information to the board seven days in advance for preparation I think we added that in January number and I have no surprises the superintendent X facts number one that requests for additions to the agenda will be received as early as possible before the meeting and that would be from us that during board meetings direction is given is only given when a majority of the board votes to give direction only to the superintendent that board members will be respectful to each other to staff and be respectful of staff's time that board members will read all supporting documentation before the board meeting sensitive situations may arise to the board chair may receive information that the entire board does not immediately receive to resolve

101the situation or receive or receive guidance on handling Ford will immediately receive the information upon the Situation's resolution or before the district releases any information to the public number five that board members will notify staff members with questions about agenda items or supporting materials with as much notification as possible before the scheduled War meetings so hopefully we don't get we're asking questions I understand it will help I'm like if we have it seven days in advance if it happens and usually that has gone through through the superintendent so we don't we can't ask for staff to come up and answer questions but that'll feel through you so you can protect your people against you know stuff number six that the board will vote to put an item on a future agenda giving consideration to board

102policy before significant staff time is expended and or when preparing the agenda item would have impact meeting previously approved goals the superintendent will determine a reasonable timeline for response discussion items will not be considered a formal agenda item requirement approval is there anything that you want to add there or change no I think we we as a District staff need to make sure we're providing you the information in time for you to digest it and have questions answered and if we're not then we'll get better at that but now that's normal stuff that's a scary there okay down to agreements board members May request the items be placed on the agenda to the board chair we'll meet with superintendent or Deputy superintendent when necessary to review or approve the agenda and three a consent agenda

103will be used for items not requiring discussion um I I'm going to go back to two really quickly because I think there's been times when I mean we have it's a new day right when the order of the workshop things have been moved around and like last week I don't know that we were the most efficient because it was really long so I um you know hope you know which Paul mentioned that the agenda belongs to the superintendent so we vote on we don't vote on work session items but I think moving forward I would request that we be a little more judicious with how we load a work session um yeah I agree that the I don't feel like we gave adequate time to to Gardendale and the presentations were rushed Sue was kind

104of up against the wall with hers and so I'm like this we need to give them enough time how do we bring in guests we want to make sure they have their time but sometimes things take longer than me the um the issue that we also have is is that we have so much start talking about starting either earlier or locking in a couple of extra days and I think that's why we've held these Tuesdays but the thing is is that like we should be okay but the issue is is that as long as we can get through them um we're okay but like the Tuesdays if we're okay with that then we just push it yeah I just think we we we're a little too aggressive last Tuesday we had too much stuff on

105there yeah we really worked there we do have to sometimes go with the Urgent first and the important second you know budget right now is urgent because we're getting those deadlines coming in do you think we need to move our meeting times on Tuesday earlier is that what you're thinking in order to get through all the budget presentations and adequate time for them to form their budget to get to us here's here's what always happens okay if we have it start at one we just go later in the day so like like we have X amount of things to do so if it takes longer we just put it at the end of the board meeting so either we stay until 10 o'clock on the long days or we start earlier but it's going to

106be the same amount of time I truly believe that so if it it to me it's okay either way like I would like to start earlier because I really you know I mean the nine o'clock but like there's been some concerns I don't want to do a nine to nine work day it's just not it's not good for us it's not fair to staff to be because remember we're on the whole time yeah the toll that it takes I mean a lot of times on Wednesday I'm trash I know so and we're and everybody else has to get up and go to work so just know that um that we whatever we have we just roll two yeah I mean and let's see how the next few workshops go I'm going to try to you

107know make sure we're we're more efficient [Music] and I really do think some of that was because of where we were where we were at as a board and the superintendent in the situation but I think we're starting to normal well you guys are reviewing all the policies we won't be doing that again we'll be reviewing policies as needed where we're doing some budget presentations and we'll start earlier in the year next year like we'll start budget workshops in January next year yeah so you know we'll yeah we're just cramping it's going to be rushed this summer but I don't think it'll be like that again no I don't I don't think we will ever go through that many again yeah we're gonna jump okay you got it just right all right [Music] instant agenda

108will be used for items not requiring discussion and reform any board member may ask to have an item pulled from the consent agenda to allow for discussion or individual consideration the board member will notify the superintendent prior to the meeting of intent to pull an item unless sometimes things come up in public comment right and what additional information may be required no surprises both two sessions will be discussed after the consent agenda vote and I'm guilty of this one so I'm gonna jump in here and apologize because I have pulled consent agenda items at the meeting I did not follow this policy so I will do better with that if you knew you were going to pull it ahead of time then yeah yeah occasionally right sometimes you learn something that hour yeah right we'll

109blame that on rookie mistake but I will do better with that number five addition to the agenda after release of the public should be approved by the board chair preparation agreements board members will come to the meeting prepared to discuss items on the agenda board members will notify the superintendent about positive negative comments received from the community about the district or specific agenda items board members will give this superintendent time to research clarifying questions about agenda items and not spring surprises at the board meeting one of these like I mean do you want us to notify you because one of my emails I have an influx of emails over certain specific agenda item do you want me to say hey I've gotten a ton of emails over these things FYI well I mean I think

110a a summary comment like that is fine okay yeah I don't think you guys need to send me every email you're getting or no so every time you get one so I got another one I got another one I got it yeah no okay and do you want those like maybe the day before the meeting just so I know like time wise that's well I mean the good thing is if we're meeting on a regular basis you can inform me I'm waiting okay you know what's concerns are being brought to you and okay so weekly or bi-weekly meetings we should be able to stay on top of that stuff okay during the meeting agreements are available to the public at the meeting site and online two procedures for public comment are clear and available at

111the meeting site three the board chair will facilitate responses to public comment during the meeting for the board sure will ensure that only one person speaks at a time that each member has an awful equal opportunity to participate I think we're just talking about the public is welcome to participate in the meeting during the designated public comment time board members will model the behaviors expected of students staff and community members um except we shouldn't roll our eyes even though they can't all their want their own um got one I got one um issues not people staff public each other will be attacked during meetings members will listen respectfully to each other and staff um the superintendent legal counsel and all board members will monitor for compliance with law and policy and I think that's you

112know there's been a couple of times in public comment sometimes you know every now it's easy to zone out sometimes especially when it's long if we see things like the clock or there's been a couple times lately and Paul's out here to ask but Mary Joey constella where we had some of our we've opened it up for people to talk to us just mention Us by name but they're still not supposed to be mentioning other staff names or student names and sometimes Matt hasn't caught it just because you know we're in the moment whatever so to me this is where we sometimes will need to say hey and I will I will say something or I'll say clock I'll like I'll kind of lean over and you need to be careful because the lawsuit that

113we're that they're having the mediation about part of that was not just the policy but how it was practiced and then we could get in trouble if we're not applying anything in the system yeah right so it's all of our jobs to to keep us straight on that and what number was it on 10. the focus of board meetings will be work of the board and not administrative staff work is the item to celebrate success a policy decision something that requires board action is it needed to ensure accountability does the item align with a strategic plan and I think that's part of I think we've kind of gotten off a little bit try to be our own CEO glad to have you here but we'll see yeah yeah um number 11 can we talk about

114this one for a minute yeah members will make efficient use of speaking time and and this is if you go back and watch our board meetings there are certain individuals that consume majority of the time of speaking and so I don't know well I sometimes it's it could I guess depending on the night but there are some that definitely do it more so than others and I don't know to keep this evenly across the board is this a fair request to say hey guys can you make your presentation in five minutes or less can you tell me what you want to say that way we can move this thing along because if somebody ends up speaking for an exorbitant amount of time you know what I'm saying so I don't know if we can do

115that I don't know if the board can limit their amount of time some some topics might warrant saying I need additional time to get all this out but I think if we could maybe even look at just a standard get your response out in five minutes please and that gives that's still there's you know five of us that's still 25 minutes if each one of us utilizes all five minutes a night what are your thoughts so that's a hard one because and I don't know sometimes I've actually gone back because I feel like I talked for a really long time like oh it was just seven minutes but it was seven minutes you know but it was important um I tried try really hard not to go long but I'm just trying to think of

116you know I think I I don't I wouldn't like the idea of the time limit I know we did that when we did our interviews um but then we were like whatever let's just pretend so I it's kind of artificial I think to me what is helpful with that is coming back to this it's kind of like the Bible you can't just read it once and you got it all down you know you to come coming back to this reminding ourselves of these agreements then I mean I feel like if you if we commit to this then it's right there in black and white that will make efficient use of speaking time I also feel like if there is a five minute clock so to speak if someone's passionate about something or they're going to

117go over the five minutes yeah I know I only have five minutes but I'm gonna you know I mean I'll probably do that I don't think but I mean I'm just thinking well and I mean honestly there are like I said there are certain times when it happens but then there's some times that our emotional responses that are not factual even really necessarily based on what the agenda item is that we're talking about they just go on a rant and I'm like okay so like those how do we Reign those in because a 10 minute long rant about something doesn't really help the board advance in any direction other than wonderful we just heard you for 10 minutes and now what you know let me do that to constant conversation someone has with us like

118again if I post something I'm getting a call or uh you know just a suggestion hey we you know we we agree yeah I think a reference to the working agreement so maybe to keep coming back to that so just can we have one of these in our binders that you put can you put this in our binder for us or I can even highlight the certain like the ones that come up yeah that would probably be good because otherwise it's too much to go through it's a lot yeah but there's a few that are like hey these need to be constant reminders that these are your working guidelines I'll do based on the re-listening I'll highlight the ones that are right okay will it'll be red words and black words we'll read the red

119words more I mean more all right sorry okay and you know sometimes we can start by getting rid of Superfluous words so Superfluous is not as a purpose yeah terrible all right after board meeting agreements each board member May exercise his or her option to State the reasons for the decisions made whether for or against an action but board members and staff will ultimately support the decision of the board as an entity can you talk about that four members and staff will abide by confidentiality laws of executive sessions and closed sessions number three ensure that all documents records reports Etc are process and maintain in accordance with applicable laws regulations policies Etc in other words keep everything away number four no public officer employee of an agency or local government attorney shall correctly use or

120attempt to use his or her official position or any property or resource which may be within his or her trust to perform his or her visual duties to secure a special privilege benefit or exemption for himself herself or others all right School Community Communications framework commitment to schools departments our site visit agreements board members are encouraged to attend as many school events for events Fine Arts events community events as a spectator as their time permits number two board members wishing to visit a school are encouraged to notify the principal of the visit in advance um number three and advertise organ I generally do that unless I'm coming to like drop off like treats or whatever because they you never know what they've got chaos going in the building that day you know it's just a

121good habits heads up the board member will clearly display his or her badge board members will follow all school policies and procedures board members will respect staff time and allow staff to perform their duties not evaluate staff not give direction to any staff or students not accept gifts other than nominal tokens or favors from any District employee when visiting with teachers of their own children board members will make it clear that they are acting as parents rather than as board members and concerns raised as a result of school business by board members will be directed to the superintendent [Applause] commitment to the community board of community Communications board members will serve as ambassadors for their District emphasizing positive asterisks aspects of the district excuse me the superintendent media relations staff will serve as a spokesperson

122for the district with the media this is kind of what we're talking about before the chair will serve as official spokesperson for the board with the media to ensure consistent messaging on critical issues individual board members respond to the media do not represent the board as a whole which shall be stated during their response I think this will be easier now that you're here we have somebody permanent but to me that superintendent you are the spokesperson for the district so that's where Matt and I got a little crosswise because I think at some point he was speaking for the district and so and not for the board so we're going to leave that to you and your team you know often Russ as yeah I mean because usually it's the superintendent that addresses the legislative

123delegation so you know yeah honestly this just this year and last year were the first time we've actually gone to that meeting in previous years we had our own yep right it was and they asked about that they would like to do that again if we're willing to do that absolutely well what that okay but that's a schedule what he said was the reason we couldn't do that was because of current litigation going on between one board member we can have the delegation meeting and one member cannot be there but I've already I've already talked to Tyler story last week or a couple weeks ago we had to promote the foundation thing he absolutely wants to do it again so it was so so handle we have our own lunch and we invite him to

124the school they don't want to come they don't they don't come yeah yeah Russell contact them and set it up and yeah so the board member would still be welcome but the person that has the litigation going is okay there was not a legal reason for for that to happen okay one legislative delegation member refused to be a part right did not want to do that well I mean I asked to attend that event because I wanted to attend I asked her Paul and Paul recommended I don't attend it for fear of violation of sunshine um so but yeah we usually do I've been to it before but we don't usually speak at that because that's right because we only always had our own private time to spend more time talking with him instead of

125the three minutes that they give us at that event so okay and we host and we have the kids you know we're bringing food and kids come and talk I remember when doctor's party first started doing that so you know we can we can go back to that I mean um let's see all right we're on foreign will be directed through the staff person best able to provide resolution of the complaint or to the superintendent complaints should be in writing and process per policy protocol the board is the last stop in the complaint process oh I would love for that to be yeah and so what I I'll just tell you what I usually tell people when they call me with stuff is like he's stepping into school saying that it's like dropping an atomic

126bomb there's just no very only a reason to drop the atomic bomb directing back to the teacher if they've already done that direct back to the principal then if they haven't then like if it's a secondary I sent you a little event or if it's a nun terrific traffic cops that's what fsba right freeze stuck in my head yeah right Point him to the right person but I should never be coming into school going Mr principal you shall right because then I'm really overstating my bounds yeah yeah I mean send the person back to the school the principal if they've already done all that then you send them to us customer service yep yeah board members May ensure that complaints are addressed so we can follow up and say hey was this address and anonymity

127is never guaranteed mm-hmm and if they want anonymity they have to go to The Whistleblower process right which is the only way really to bring it um and only certain things can be handled that way by law right that has to be certain things because certain things are more like a personal Personnel yeah because aren't they when they go through whistleblowers or certain things they're like this is not really whistle whistle well I can I can look at that more yeah there were some questions about whistleblower and so we haven't had many all right here's our agreements uh Board of superintendent for the purpose of enhancing teamwork among members of the board and between the board the administration we the members of the school district senior leadership team board superintendent due here by publicly commend

128ourselves collectively and individually to the following operating protocol number one children's interests come first the board will represent the needs and interests of all the children in our district two don't spring surprises on other board members or the superintendent surprises to the board or the superintendent will be the exception not the rule there should be no surprises at a board meeting we agree to the ask to ask the board chairperson the superintendent to place an item on the agenda instead of bringing it up unexpectedly at the meeting and we've been a little loosey-goosey with the discussion time we've always done that if it's you know but if it's going to be um and maybe and last week I brought up the uh book review policy I probably could have held off on that one questions

129have been a long meeting um you know it was just kind of an off topic but we we've kind of usually just opened that up if there's anything people want to bring out but it's usually a good idea just to give people a heads up so I'm sorry about that communication between staff and the board is encouraged as long as it follows for policy the senior leadership team recognizes that good timely open and constant communication regarding School District issues is extremely important we will strive to anticipate issues which may become important or are sensitive to our school district and District stakeholders and Katie I think that was a good time to prevent them because that week we were getting it was an article you know we were getting emails and so I thought it was

130wise thing yeah yeah and we weren't going to change the policies that night let's talk about that at the end of this so yeah the balance you know there's kind of a balance you know how fully loaded is yeah um encourage Outreach to staff while the board is eager to listen to its constituents and staff each inquiry is to be referred to the person who can properly and expeditiously address the issue board requests that we'll likely consider require considerable time or have political implications are to be directed to the superintendent all Personnel complaints and criticisms received by the board or its individual members will be directed to the superintendent and or [Applause] remembered perfect on this okay own the collective decision making process the senior leadership team will support decisions made by the board and

131or the administrative team once a decision is made we will support the majority decision exemplify the governance role the board has ownership of its policies and this is the entity's number one duty the leadership team boarded superintendent will support the policies our district currently has in place the board will hold workshops to continue to study and review policies for Effectiveness and appropriately engaged key stakeholders in the development or deletion of policies and policy revisions we will maintain apply District policies consistently while being cognizant of and recognizing the potential uniqueness of any given situation we will annually conduct a self-assessment evaluation the board will address Its Behavior by yearly self-evaluation it's another time we can bring up some of those things and by addressing itself to any individual problems such as poor meeting attendance or leaks

132of confidential information we should probably be doing that in the fall Tammy right I'm sorry we used to do it in the spring yeah I think I wanted to say you wanted to do you guys were too brand new on boarding it kind of changed right we moved it and it hasn't been I mentioned it like to not to see when you wanted to schedule that but we haven't released we need to have at least all been on the board for a year before we we can do more than a year but we need to do it okay you know at some point yeah it didn't make sense it did in March um number nine clearly State goals the board will set clear goals for themselves and the superintendent the board's superintendent will set clear

133goals for the district um utilize CEO input the superintendent is the chief executive officer of the senior leadership team and should make recommendations proposals or suggestions on most matters that come before the board acts only as a body individual board members do not have authority only the board as a whole has Authority we agree that an individual board member will not take unilateral action the board chairperson will communicate the positions of the board on controversial issues when board members serve on various School committees their rules shall be defined by the board as silent Observer or active participant a meeting protocol conducted a board meeting is very important we desire to have a legacy of a well-functioning effective board we agreed to avoid words and actions that create a negative impression on an individual the board

134or the district we will be open-minded and willing to deeply listen to all speakers presenters and we do get not we've been getting knocked board members have been getting knocked on that Sunset before I got on the board so as hard as it is stay engaged I write I do know I write everything right what they write because agree or disagree with just everybody who comes to the microphone deserves to be heard I do unless I have to go to the bathroom and then I step out and then I get accused for walking out for controversial or whatever we can disagree and we'll do so using common courtesy and respect for others will not react to impromptu complaints on the spot but we'll assure any individuals that the school district will follow up number 13

135avoid Marathon board meetings broke this one to be efficient effective longboard meetings must be avoided individual board member speeches will be succinct if a board member believes uh he or she doesn't have enough time unless you need enough information or has questions every ever should be made to ask questions of responsible staff or the superintendent 14 practice efficient decision making board meetings are for decision-making action votes and appropriate discussion we agree to move to the question when discussion is repetitive 15. speak to agenda issues the board will not play to the audience I like that one highlight down Tammy or will not play to the audience we agree to speak to the issues on the agenda and attend to our fellow board members facts and information needed from the administration will be referred to the

136superintendent 16. executive closed sessions will be held only for appropriate subjects executive sessions will be held only when specific needs arise board members will be extremely sensitive to the legal ramifications of their meetings and comments I know we can talk about it some points is anyone thought you would brought it up a while ago about the the public comment time on our in our meetings I mean we're there to govern and when we have 45 speakers to talk about I don't like the color of your shirt and all this and it takes two hours before we could do something hopefully those days are behind us but I'd like to maybe at some point I don't know if this is a good time for Dr Mendel to even speak with his preferences and there are groups

137out there that will have public comment at the beginning on the agenda items and public comment and non-agenda items at the end there's there's something to be said that I'd like to be on top of my game and get to the agenda item spoken get to the business and if you want to talk about things that have nothing to do even in a positive way but it's just nothing to do with uh the agenda that there's a time and a place for that but that's that's at the end of the board meeting um thank you what's your thought what's your what's your thought on those yeah so um I've seen other boards do some different things in public speaking for example good time here we uh yeah two ways you can do public comment you

138know general public comment or you can speak to an agenda item yes you can sign up to speak for one or both um now I've seen districts that the open public comment section they say we're going to reserve that at the beginning of the meeting to 30 minutes we're going to hold that to 30 minutes so the first 10 speakers you know first 10 viewers speakers to sign up get to go then anybody else that signs up for general public comment can you do that at the end you know that kind of thing so it gets you to the business meeting portion of your agenda sooner um you know there's advantages and disadvantages to it the criticisms are if I'm the 11th person to sign up I've got to wait till probably the issue I'm

139talking about has been voted on and decided for my general comment whether it's even on an agenda item it's not going to be heard so eight eight o'clock at night nine o'clock at night 10 o'clock at night at the end of the reported um meeting so but it's a way to keep compute a way for you to get to the business items sooner you know if you have two hours of public comment and you're not getting to the business items until two hours into your schedule meeting time you know so and part of me I honestly likes that just because I I feel like we get beat up up there some there are some days where I'm like hours of just negative comments and then it's like and now we want you to go govern

140and do it efficiently after you've been blasted for two hours straight um that isn't really putting us at our best uh so I don't know I don't know how we get around that though because I I don't just I can't get past the irony because these are the conversations we were having when we changed it and some people didn't like the three minutes two minutes one minutes but it was these are the conversations we were having when we moved the agenda on non-agenda items to the end when we did the staggered times that sometimes it was 2-1 but when we made those changes now the number one like like biggest pushback was not having the cameras because we were originally going to do we never actually did it because there was so much pushback from

141all different kinds of people on all different kinds of viewpoints no we want to see we want to see all the comments so that I would suggest we never go back to this because it was very broad objection to that even though there are districts to do that can they move on the front end and don't record it's yeah and right and then we're in the middle of a lot of controversy at the time I I it's just it's just really ironic to me because that like I said these are the conversations we were having we made those adjustments and we got crucified in many arenas for for putting non-agenda at the end and for um you know all those kinds of things so that's weak though I mean if we're still allowing three minutes

142each it's just the time of when you speak yeah that could save us we're at our best and if if you really want to talk on a topic off the agenda you you need to sign up before we start speaking at the beginning and you need to stick around in the meeting so a couple of things people would just talk about part of the agenda and then run into whatever they were saying well then you got to cut yeah you I think you have to cut them off but the other piece is is that we had students that were coming to say things to adjustments for that yeah and what ended up happening so like our bus drivers came tonight and first off they um you know they came to speak they drove there they

143had to wait like two and a half hours I had one minute which I yeah those were like that was like Ground Zero for males that Disney's didn't go the problem when we put it to the end is that anybody that comes in there to speak to us employees or anything like that ends up having to wait that long kids for everything else like we have projects or whatever it is um and there's a way to mitigate that you can say if you're a student or a person that I don't know how to do that well we had those conversations too and I will tell you for when I I never feel comfortable picking winning winners and losers and that you know should we let the mom with the little kids go first should we

144let the students go first so we let the employees go first because then we're we're deciding whose perspective is more important so um this is the way we had it have it now is pretty much how we had it the first couple years that I was on the board with the exception of now they can address us in person um so we've and and the sign up time is all the way up to the time that would be the other thing is we changed the policy on that if we put them at the end and they can keep signing up all the way until whatever the end might be it could be seven o'clock it could be 9 30. UM I don't know I mean I if you've got some suggestions I mean I'm open

145to moving it back around but I'm just saying that this is there's a lot of pushback on on every way yeah but I mean I think I'm not suggesting we change I was just I've seen it done different ways yeah I also think that we we just made this change right um the last yeah I think we finish it off in January right so six months in maybe yeah so maybe we go for another six months and then yeah it's getting out of control we see that this is still keeping us from from getting to the business until eight o'clock at night then maybe we do need to do something different yeah and you know last week it was was it 30 20 it was an hour it was like a 20. but we haven't

146we you know things do calm down they go inside but I don't know about that if you did do that it gives it gives speakers the chance to speak twice then it does like right now it doesn't right I mean you can sign up if you do it then you might do an agenda non-agenda and people did that yeah and you would um so yeah it's just something that needs to be it is harder for the chairman to have to police that though because then the Chairman's having to sit there and go this is not speaking to the agenda because people would put oh I'm speaking on this agenda item and then just go off on whatever right right and it was very Loosely related so then you're asking a chairman to judge um and

147yeah it was a challenge for when we had agenda non-agenda so just I guess leave it like it is I don't know I and and look at it again and like you know we're gonna have to probably see it goes for a few months yeah because we you know it is the summertime and we are going in the morning so that's going to change some Dynamics a little bit yeah yeah tweakable policy all right we're in 12. all right school will probably zero one two three I think we just went over this yeah y'all good oh no no no this is not um standards aboard Bishop as a member of the school of the board each board member shall promote the best interest of the school district as a whole into that Andy former Patrol

148adhere to the following educational and ethical standards one make decisions in terms of the educational welfare of all children regardless of ability race Creed sex or social standing too did that skip something um two bring about desired change changes through legal and ethical procedures upholding enforcing all laws state board of education policies and court orders pertaining to schools three recognize that decisions must be made by the board as a whole and have been made these decisions must be supported by the entire board for a focus board action on policy making goal setting planning and evaluation and insist on regular impartial evaluation of all staff five support School personnel and the performance and the proper performance of their duties six hold confidential all matters pertaining to the educational system that may needlessly harm individuals or the

149system and respect the confidentiality of information that is privileged under applicable law seven attend all scheduled board meetings and workshops insofar as as possible and become informed on the issues to be considered at these meetings eight work with the superintendent neither undermining nor intruding into the areas legally assigned to the school administration nine make policy decisions only after full discussion at public board meetings and render these decisions based on available facts refusing to surrender that judgment to individuals or special groups 10. encourage the free expression of excluded expression of opinions by all board members and seek systematic communication between the board and students staff and all elements of the community 11 inform myself about current educational issues through study and participation in appropriate programs and or workshops 12 refrain from using my board position for

150personal and political game 13 encourage recognition of the achievements of students and staff under the involvement of business and community members we do that really well 14 listen responsibly to the community and make decisions based on the best interest of the system as a whole 15 support legislation and funding which will help to improve the educational opportunities and environment for students and staff 16 remember always that my first and greatest concern must be the educational welfare of all the students attending the district and that we must provide appropriate curriculum facilities and motivations so that students will be encouraged to love learning enabling them to achieve their highest foreign [Applause] [Music] all right and then our code of ethics all by four members shall complete four hours of Ethics training each calendar year that addresses at

151a minimum section eight and all that Code records off hey we can we do this sooner rather than later because these guys are I did mine did you do it I did it last year you were required to but right but I did it anyways did you have you gotten a chance to do that yeah definitely don't want to wait to the very end of the year because they fspa provides it but the last couple years we've done a joint thing with elected officials around there's a lot of people including the city managers who have to do it and that's working through the Space Coast League of cities usually yeah sooner sooner is better but then also it's a collaboration among Paul and I believe in involt uh our former attorney our other attorneys and

152they make it fun because it's some of it's really boring so I'm just seeing when they would be ready I can reach out to anybody okay it's like a game yeah she likes there's like a Jeopardy game geoparity yeah that would be it's copyrighted it is four hours though so yeah it is yeah but we do it together it's more fun and then if you can't make it you can't make it but we'd invite everybody so it's more fun more people that are in the room even though I have done it by myself which is I did it by myself online um fsba offers fads offers it I probably could just get the link and then you could just refresh right now and start reviewing it so yeah it's really important public records laws as

153well as procurement um like you know gifts and things like that um sunshine or Sunshine long diversity yes yes furthermore number two uh a board member may not knowingly sign and transmit to any state official or portable alleged misconduct by instructional Personnel or School administrators which affects the health safety or welfare of a student which the board member knows to be false or incorrect or knowingly failed to adopt policies it requires instructional personnel and school administrators to report alleged misconduct by other instructional personnel and school administrators or that require the investigation of all reports of alleged misconduct by instruction Personnel in school administrators if the misconduct affects the health safety or well whatever student violation of these Provisions will forfeit result in the Forfeit of the board member salary for one year I'll find out

154we got through it we did we need to have an extra line for Dr Randell signature where we should so yeah can we just add a line for him and a distinguisher and Dateline he can sign it yeah we had this yesterday we have well we have some time now at this point between right do you want to take a break to you probably should probably take a restroom Brandon to see if they're supposed to be quite so long what was the yeah because we don't want to do the initiatives without her no we need Matt here for that right we can have the fsba board of director discussion probably and then that way and so it is so the um as long as three of us agree to stay at SBA and I think

155you have and not in class so we need to pick a representative on the board of directors we get one I have done it the last two years I am willing to do it again but um we have it the deadline's not the meeting this week but they kind of if we know we could go ahead and tell them when we get there tomorrow hey it's going to be so-and-so so if y'all are okay with me doing it I'm happy to do it we can check with Matt when it comes back in I feel like the three of you need to decide that because I um I'm not an fsba person right no you decided to be good as long as I could be any alternative ones as well oh okay so the invoice that

156we'll be paying in July has four members unless you want to change that I kind of think I do because I don't utilize any of it so it just seems like a waste to me to spend that money yeah because as long as three of us it doesn't impact anything as far as what you can do with fsba so I to me I don't feel like it's I'm not using it so it's a waste okay remember the board of directors conversation for ffba so I'm I'm happy to do it again in a few days I'm gonna if it's okay I'm gonna find it I'm going to vote for that and then again talk to Andrea about creating a special spot for you because there's some stuff Tim and I and some of the others okay

157so you want to be the board of directors for the next two years help you [Music] no I'm actually you don't know what you don't know what is in my mind Matt if you would like to serve as a board of directors I've done it for the last two years I that's fine and I can be your alternate so that if you can't be there um this week tomorrow would be my last one then um and that would start in October with the next one you're not trying to move into the vice president president stop no I'm I have no motivation to any of that at all right now I'm just trying to do the best job doing that not just usually when you get on the nomination I've done that twice I just like

158to be in that position um okay can I give an update to the lawsuit I don't think you can do that do they get good to that in an open session so there's Starburst next door by the way so Matt back to the is that is there a majority because that's you're saying you want it so that's one vote you're saying your opinion you're saying she doesn't mind I Mean Gene are you okay with him so so that's the rep and you're at all yeah did you guys already talk about the initiatives no no we're ready we're going to take one of them we're talking about taking a break oh you guys want to take a break before we do that yes hello [Music] over here everybody good yeah you're all back here okay um

159so the next up is the uh we have the future topic review direction of future current and future initiatives it's kind of just you know one of the reasons I put this on here is that now we've been trading paint for you know I mean six months and we kind of know where we're going and we had some of these lists here we have Dr Adel here so I didn't know if you guys wanted to add anything we had uh Tammy printed out the list in size two font I have it on the screen as well it's super fun yeah she likes to do okay I know this down at the bottom okay but one of the things Dr Renault when we came up with these was there's some some issues out there in the

160community that we feel like we could realign some of our we could help collaborate with outside sources to do a better job for us so when we talked about the mental health we had I had a meeting with a lot of people from the various agencies and stuff like that about eight months ago and they had identified things that are outside our control but impact us so we were saying that you know an initiative should be to try to figure out what capacity we are not able to produce for our children for mental health and then fix those that's all so social you know what I mean workers and those kind of things policy review schedule we got Communications what's up yeah so we're doing that yeah Communications to families um we're doing a we

161could do a better job there I think but I think when we're going through these if there's any that you guys think we're done with that or that's just not needed now or if Dr window you want to add any well the budget process transparency we're doing discipline we're in the middle of doing HR protocols he's working on k-3 reading levels is a big one yeah you want to talk to that since that's your baby no I mean that's that's an area that you know that's a seed that we'll plant that we're going to see dividends pay in years to come but I would love for our district to take the initiative of heavily focusing the k-3 reading initiative I mean investing everything we possibly can if we can step in on an upfront basis

162rather than catching them after we identify it that there's an issue I and a big part of this I'm learning is dyslexia which is crazy to me because I did not know that that was the biggest hurdle for a lot of our students to learn how to read and the number of students that fall in this category and that are not identified until far later in their educational career so um if there was a way for our district to take the initiative to research this um maybe I don't I don't even know what goes into the testing to find out if a kid is dyslexic or not but if that could be done at a VPK kindergarten level and we could catch it right then then we can teach to the child the way the

163child needs to be taught to instead of the standard way of this is how we teach these kids how to read some of it's as silly as a font a difference in a font will make that child able to read a book versus a different font so um there's there's not only those I think in general Dr Ronaldo identifying of dyslexia of ese at an earlier today yeah so there's legislation that was just passed in Tallahassee that focuses on more resources on K3 and uh specifically dyslexia education and uh identification so we're going to have to respond to that we have to do that as a response all right to legislation anyway big focus on Phonics instruction at the primary grades and stuff like that so we're going to be investing in that anyway good

164but I feel like I've had talks with uh Jane Klein and a little bit with Cindy lisinski about how many maybe we can direct some more resources in other words money towards K3 some different things we can do in K3 so good we'll be bringing that to you at a workshop and and hopefully launch it before this year but um you know everybody understands that if we can get our students reading professionally in third grade that's going to pay dividends down the road right so it's something we can front load the investment we'll see the dividends later yeah okay and then and most of the argument is not so much on us as much as incorporating parents incorporating the community you know what I mean and that's where I think we we're always taking on

165the responsibility of so much from the outside but what we're not doing is is we're not having the community do their part too in some instances and I think that they could help out yeah I mean I think Thrive by five is part of that I mean everything if we can put a good focus on basically first to to grade three in week 10. hopefully but it'll take some time and we won't see those results for a while no I was going to say it's going to take 10 years before you finally see like that catch up and I think that third grade is too late honestly I think really the focus needs to be kindergarten yeah so we're in Indian River we were we were heavily focused on third grade for a few years

166there was a huge non-profit that was pouring a lot of resources into it and we really we're focusing on third grade like try and catch kids up who weren't proficient in third grade and we realized we need to keep doing that and we can't forget about those kids and write them off but we need to really invest more in K12 yeah Pre-K um so one of the things that would help is extra extra Personnel in those lower grades you know having like an IA to share across kindergartens or whatever um but the trick with that is even if we had the front let's say we said we're going to use additional funding find the people because all it would be is Shifting IAS from this area to that area and we have to have them

167in EIC to provide a minute so so a lot of when you talk about the community to me it goes back to getting volunteers but having a specific plan for them having opportunities for them to come in and and have a small group read to them while the teachers work on another small group that effective use of the volunteers is going to be a part of that conversation too yeah so that was part of the discussion and I didn't want to put it on record is it could we provide every kind are in classroom within IA like every kindergarten classroom within IA well how much would that cost and where will we find these IAS and so then the discussion led to you well what about some of our parents maybe they could volunteer and

168maybe they can't come five days a week maybe you volunteer in your their Tuesday Thursday and we train you on what you could do to help you supplement reading instructions stuff like that so those are the conversations we're having yeah so is it would it be possible to or an idea maybe to just bring round up all of our kindergarten teachers and have them come in and give us their input on what will help them succeed I mean I'm hearing from some of my kindergarten teachers that they're they're seeing kids come in that are not potty trained that's a whole other level of things that they're having to do on top of teaching so I think maybe getting their feedback would be tremendous and bring back classroom parents I mean that was a huge thing

169when I was going to speak that the last two elementary schools that I visited um and then the kindergarten classes they said this this I.E is apparent and that's how we got them is getting their parents in and they said hey how about getting paid for this you know they were volunteering and it recruited but also I I was going to touch on that as getting those kindergarten teachers in here and just maybe ask them they're the ones that are out there especially us coming from different levels and you know possibly I I was even thinking that curriculum not the type of curriculum but the emphasis and the time spent I I know we talk about math and how at eighth grade level we have such low math proficiency but maybe those classes are an

170hour and a half you know if the reading one maybe we spend more time during the day on the teaching of the reading yeah well I mean just just know we're focused on it just know we're already talking about what we can do differently in K one two and three um partly because now we've got C statute requires to do some things partly because third grade is going to be a separate component on the school grading formula I mean you know yeah there's some reasons right in reality I love the idea of bringing in the kindergarten teachers and saying what what would help you yeah like what kind of support do you need you know and obviously kids are coming less ready yeah you know and so obviously extra support would be a way to

171attack that and maybe that's something that the district could even take an initiative of as far as communication to our parents on the VPK offerings that we have that are free and available to them for them to utilize I don't some parents aren't utilizing that and I just don't know if it's because they don't know about it or what the deal there is but I can't imagine why anybody would say no I don't want to send my kids and I was spoken to kindergarten teacher who would like to help you know do a little here's how to get your child ready for kids and things that would be helpful on the first day of your kids to know not everybody's gonna see it but some would because yeah I mean like kids starting in kindergarten

172potty trained who's got to wear on that kid yeah mentally just taking on getting picked on and stuff like that I mean there's a lot of stuff as parents we need to be doing and well that's what I said I'm like you're changing diapers some of them are changing diapers and I'm like what like okay so this is a whole how are you gonna teach it how to read when you're changing a diaper like this is and that's the larger conversation wrapped around our our VPK providers and many of other areas out there to see what capacities they have in the event that you start advertising it those parents are going to be looking for places how do we deal with that you know what I mean it's a whole conversation so maybe An Early

173Learning Coalition like partnering with them and and talking with them they're already on my calendars all right good look look at this you're already ahead of us on all this no but I mean I hadn't thought about bringing the kindergarten teachers in the house it seems like I should have thought of that it's okay well I think that they'll probably be very insightful on what would help them you were going through those I didn't know we were going to speak on each of those as we're going through that that first one I really would like to get Dr Mendel's Viewpoint of being a building principle of of the things that were seen in our schools are they prepared my thing is you're not going to do it correctly and don't do it I'm not I'm

174not sure if as a district that we're we're doing that for we're doing that to whatever that word is uh yeah Fidelity um yeah the mental health I mean we're doing the little videos and stuff and then I know what Cocoa Beach we have a mental health counselor there you know we're stirring the pot and then hey every two weeks we have somebody in an office here for you just for example I could be wrong but um coming from yeah I mean I think so that's the thing we have a lot of schools that have a lot of wraparound resources but not all of our schools do like not every school has a social worker right um You might have a school psychologist assigned to you but the less needy so to speak schools the

175school psychologist is there one day a week and stuff like that and what Mr Trent's talking about is as part of that Margie Selman Douglas act we provide the mental health awareness training to the to the students and in some ways that might stop stir up some mental health concerns among some of our students and then some of our schools are better equipped to respond to that and others because they don't have enough staff you know that handle that so that's one of the things we're going to talk about is reviewing the tiered support that we provide to our schools like our media schools get there the tier three schools and they get the most support and then the next group of schools are considered tier two and they get a certain amount of support

176and then what do the tier one schools get and in a lot of cases the tier one schools don't get as much support and they still have the kind of kids that need support maybe not have as many right but they still have some kids that need support so how do we support them going back to the Ia conversation the same thing could happen here because personally could fund a social worker for every school we could not find a social worker yeah and I think when we first got the Esser Grant that's what a lot of the funding was directed towards these wraparound Services mental health counselors social workers Behavior technicians and we haven't been able to fill all those positions because the people just aren't out there but you know that's a conversation you

177know like Mental Health on the list and it's going to stay on the list you know what kind of services can we provide to every school and you know obviously the schools with higher needs to get more so I think we need to make sure that even at tier one the tier one schools are getting some support if we can if we can find it you know right like every school gets the basics before a tier three gets more yeah I mean that just to me if we have the basics to give I mean that's going to be the the the rub is going to be do we have enough social workers and we don't right now is there a company are there companies that we could officers I met with the Mental Health Counselors

178and social workers and had them put together an evaluation of how many Mental Health Counselors there's only like half of our positions I think right right the other problem we have is is that the other half had left to go to Orange County and other places so we actually have mental health counselors that are in Brevard to travel Dodge County because because environment that they were in with the discipline and the other piece was is the pay which I think we alleviated both of them so now part of our thing was what we talked about down there is the some of the attraction for the positions right now we can go after those other ones we had them identified I met with them they identified all their friends that are doing that and I may

179afforded that to you I can't remember that email but some some of the things to that the new HR guy can go after so I think part of it is yeah I think yeah student services and HR working together trying to fill those and I think with the millage we're going to be able to have a more competitive salary you know and then it's also working conditions like their workload you know yeah they might be able to go somewhere else social workers like every sphere is yeah we'll graduate with that even though you think that's a high but it's a high needs job it's a it's know it's it's very stressful yeah so but there's you know but in answer to your question I can't remember how many of our social worker positions are contracted

180services but we have we just approved one and sometime in the last months or two it's outside we have a lot of it that's outsourced or contracted out like for example Cocoa Beach did finish the year with a 0.5 of a social worker unit like that we didn't have it it was outsourced so there was a social order that did two days at Jefferson two days at Cocoa Beach and then every other Friday he would alternate so he did Monday Tuesday at Jefferson at Cocoa Beach and then every Friday he would alternate so that's support it's contracted out and it's still only part-time support you know but it's better than nothing he would do small groups and stuff like that so you know we'll take an analysis and evaluation of where we're at and where

181we can possibly go okay but you know it's it's on the list and everything that's on the list is important so right and what I was um maybe you guys may know representative Placencia for IBM now and they work with cities and counties on collaborating resources between the county cities and school districts so like a lot of the kids that we're dealing with that need mental health supports are also in the housing projects that the city or county is also paying for those supports for okay we're also providing Rec after school programs whereas they're doing the same thing so there's a lot of cross Revenue that's being spent right so when we ever have that municipality meeting we can talk about hey you do this well we do this too we'll make the you know

182okay yeah there's some good collaboration there and it's the same way with the mental health because there's so many mental health supports out there but how we pull them together to support us rather than us supporting them does that make sense yeah and that's what I think they're going to do for a job good um the next one is is our career in technical um you know ogalli has their Aviation program next to the airport great Point positioning but like Bayside has a manufacturing program that's 20 miles from any or 15 miles from any manufacturer right on both sides everything is going to be yeah the issue is yeah there's there's some of our programs that we could realign and make for the community's needs more so than just having a program at a school

183and we also the other component of it is is that like um we don't have any veterinarian programs right right so but Eastern Florida State has a has one but we don't promote kids dual enrolling to that program because we may not be able to create veterinarian programs so the idea is is that there's a huge need for vet techs and everything else in our community so the idea is is just to have a progressive CTE alignment plan and that's kind of what we're going to be doing on Thursday with some of those HR directors and stuff so I think that's all does that make sense to you Doctor yeah I know I think we always need to evaluate what CTE offerings we have and where they are yeah you know and I think you

184know sometimes we put a program in and it's it's the best program to put in that area at that time then 10 years later maybe that industry's changed and it's not the best fit for that area in that industry so right you can reevaluate and move things you know or eliminate programs and stuff like that well I think it would be better it would be smart for our district to really excel at the programs that we have versus being a jack of all trade and a master of none I'd rather us just hone in on these you know whatever it is because I think right now what do we have 60 something I mean it's a lot of them um so I'm like I don't know that we're actually successfully well the good thing is

185it's a it's a really it's a it's a really good area to ask for additional funding from the state and federal government yes they want to support Workforce education right so you know as long as we can find programs that are viable you know and needed and we can find an instructor yeah you know because I think a lot of times that's our biggest thing we say oh we should go do this program and it's great and Industry says they need it and we have a school that's willing to host it and we have we find funding for it we got to make sure that we can have an instructor you know because it's a good one yeah I had a praise report yesterday when I was at meeting with the mayor of Titusville and

186the chief police at their Chief lau and he was talking about the 911 dispatch program that Titusville High has and he spoke to a specific student who had for all purposes given up his family life was a mess parents Not absent he was homeless and got enrolled into that program and this kid was on his way towards just probably jail or drugs honestly and so he just was praising how that program saved that kid's life because this kid now because of doing that program completing it he went over to Titusville PD was a 911 dispatcher and he just got recruited by the Honolulu Police Department I was like you're going to Hawaii gosh but so now this kid's future is extremely bright whereas he didn't care about school and he wasn't no one was pushing

187him so I think the CTE focus is something that we need to make sure was always at the Forefront of our brain and the trick that I completely agree with the whole aligning it to the community just because people are so mobile you know people don't it's we're not in a day where people stay in the same Community their whole life so if so if we don't have like for example Bayside we don't have manufacturing clothes we do in Palm Bay somewhere you know but the chances of that kid staying in there I mean it makes a little bit harder for the internships but honestly any internship out of Bayside High School yeah it's gonna be it's gonna be hard to get to it especially are you know you know because well but they come

188they kind of have to have their own transportation just because like I said they said there's but it takes a while but the other thing I would say is we also want to have a balance among the schools so that if a kid at Bayside they really are into construction but there's not construction on base I don't remember if they had that one or not but there's something similar that's transferable skills they can get something that's closed so that when they get into energy so we need to have that balance so the kids not having to go to another school to another program if they don't have transportation to get something that's in it close to their field you know well that leads to a longer term conversation of trade schools so they can stay

189at Bayside you can say to Galley but you know half a day there then they go to the trade school or the co-op or you know that can take care of that the other thing that you can do with Bayside is um Kirby streets are a big manufacturing center in in Palm Bay there's not a problem busting the kids just like you would do enroll there's just ways to do it like I'm not saying to I I argued with Janice Schultz when she put that program there because it came in before I came on the board and I was trying to get her I said because we create programs for schools with the idea that it'll attract kids to that school to do it but it never does it just ends up being what's produced

190at that school and then because they don't have the immediate Industry Board to support with internships money experiences and all that it kind of starts going so we can set up a system where they transport to those you know what I mean which is okay because Kirby Street has all the manufacturers that are over there and stuff like that so there's all kinds of alignment that we've created all these great opportunities and now it's at the next level to just get in there um the ESF Staffing substitutes that's already I don't know what happened like I tried to make it like mandatory to make all the people go at least give a day I thought it was a good idea but I don't know actually going to do that next year I didn't know it

191was I honestly didn't even know it was something that we were doing we did it in Indian River it's called classroom connect so everybody at the district office that has a teaching license that's in a director position on up would have to go teach at least one day during the year and when we did it there and that's what I'm going to do it here is you don't go sub you go teach so you're going to have to meet with the instructor ahead of time develop a lesson plan teach the whole day stretch yourself teach something that you don't you're not certified to teach or a different grade level or something like I taught first grade a couple times and that was not what I was certified in I don't know how Elementary School teachers

192do it I was totally exhausted by lunchtime a little too I mean the District staff doesn't know this yet but it's recorded so they'll find out about it at some point but yeah we did it several years in any River and we'll do it now I mean but not just substitute like you don't go as a sub you go as a teacher now I get if we're short substitutes we should go out go out and help I get that but I'm just saying like the district level staff that's director on up is gonna and has a teaching certificate say okay that part's important just to clarify we're not talking about the book the bookkeepers office no and like Sue hand does not have I already told Sue about it and she's and I said you

193don't have to go she has subject she did she told me that they they did something like this last year or a year year ago I was I was a little aggressive I was saying the bookkeepers could go work with the bookkeeper everybody oh I see girls for a couple days and send everybody else my idea was is that there are people who want to stay in their cubicle but that's dangerous for our school district because what happens is they're not connected to the schools and I feel like when you have that feeling and inside of school that was all yeah that's a totally different approach I get that yeah well we may still do something like that then lobbyist registration we like carrots and not sticks he was bringing the carrots I just made

194a stick I grew up with sticks yeah the lobbyist registration to have it over at the county and stuff like that just kind of brings transparency to some of the stuff that goes on um it's been a thing that Miami-Dade any of the other districts have it's just a person that wants to speak to anybody at the District would have to register themselves before they do so or school board if they're selling something around the sale because they like right now we're getting ready to go to fsba they'll make 20 of them trying to hit you up and get phone numbers and all that stuff you can just say hey you need to register as a lobbyist before you talk to us it gives it it just cleans it all up so um and then

195the meeting advertisements in the county we found out it'll be more money yeah well we're paying which is disappointing I really was hoping that they were going to be competitive so that it would be an option for for the local governments to use but hopefully maybe they'll get there um um you know advertisements to increase revenue and Partnerships with the county I'm trying to remember I don't know why it's um maybe this had to do with um well this actually came up under Russell's presentation after the fact but when we we talked about the fact that schools are being charged to have the banners put around there maybe that was oh that's it we've got a list of all the things that that pays yeah so um but again just trying to make sure because

196that it was be what was that Company B um that being a forced they were forced to go through that even if they were people that they had signed up originally and had you know advertised with that school for the last 10 years now all of a sudden this company came on and the company was taking it clarified they're not forced they can do their own but they have to do all the work but I don't think any of them are I think they're all going through that company yeah I think there was there was a principles meeting where we were all kind of encouraged to use 2K12 okay all right this is who we go through through the district and but it wasn't mandatory but this is who we you know suggest and all

197that kind of that way it's uniform across the district the size of the Banners are the same the quality of the Banners are the same you don't have to do the leg work this guy can do all the legwork for you but the issue is you don't get all the money you know the school itself doesn't get all right so there's still a lot of stuff on there's a lot of components to those public records requests and stuff that we did I'll be bringing those back to you guys and you're still working through some of it um volunteerism like we talked about just getting the people back in the schools student attraction plan is let's go after those I mean you and I talked about that um but what it is is attracting the kids

198from the private schools and home schools and everybody else to come like homeschool kids can come do ROTC they can do CTE but now back to that volunteer registration program we emphasizing even at like registration days that they set up a table and here's a table that we're going to talk about getting parents back onto the campuses through volunteering not just working in the library now every every school really should have a volunteer table at registration with packets ready to hand out to parents like here's our links to send them or whatever we should be going into church saying volunteering for school well I really think part of it is that you have to have identified what they can do when they sign up to volunteer and as a person you spent most of my

199career in secondary schools we're not good at that like in Middle Schools and high schools well you know Mom or Dad come they show the kid and say how can I help them we're like I don't know because here's a list yeah and you never get an email correct and so you know we do we need to encourage this unless you're like a band or orchestra perfect they're asking all the time because I did talk to a parent the other day I said you don't do it the way elementary does it but if your kid is in any kind of activity then you end up volunteering all more than you did at elementary school because if you're on the band booster club yeah a lot of concession stands and so um but I think it's

200a matter of we are now able to welcome volunteers back on campus yeah and there was a time where we weren't able to and I think we kind of forgot then we have this resource because even the elementaries did it not every school my kids went to wmss so we had to do them so they were a little more proactive about getting the volunteers on but like I would come into a classroom one day a week and work with small groups to listen to three but some people that wasn't their thing so they would laminate yeah it's there's but having to have some jobs ready to go identified to say hey if you want to help here's how you can help and that way someone can say I don't want to lead a small group

201of reading right but I'm willing to come and make posters and stuff like that well and this might be a good way just thinking kind of outside the box on like how are we going to recruit some of them in so um it what if we were to offset like say field trip expenses if your parents volunteer XYZ number of hours you don't have to pay for the field trip this year like could we give an incentive based something like that because some parents may not have the extra money to send their kid to see world when the class is going but they could give up 15 hours or 20 hours of of their time to come to the school and serve I think you do that I think you also give awards for the

202most volunteers you know if you could do well they clock in and clock out yeah so they already track it I mean there's just there's a lot that I think when you get in there Health First who has a great volunteer network so that they would work with us on how they do theirs um and so did the zoo she came forward and they have ways that they set up those volunteer programs like you said like they come in and they say okay what can I do and there's a list of checklists and this is the person you check into like that process yeah I think the schools just have to be ready to welcome everybody back and have a list now some of our schools are brought really good at already yeah yeah so

203maybe we learn from them some schools are forced to be really good at it yeah yeah and then um that student attraction plan like we said it's just getting in there and attracting the students to do whatever we can inside the schools sports CTE if they're homeschooling you know what I mean well some of the we need to go back to do some of the things we we haven't had a choice fair in three years and we didn't do it because of covet but now we can do it Choice Fair again and we we're not doing it too why why are we not doing a choice fair I mean families need to know what all the options that are available to them you know so we have to go back to doing Choice Pairs and

204stuff like that part of the discussion we had around that was we always do it at the era and every time we think about doing stuff like that we need to think about the possibility of doing it regionally because one thing you know travel people people from Palm Bay don't like to go north of Palm Bay Road I like to go south at 5 20 probably so you know there's that and then the other thing is if I live in Palm Bay chances of me sending my kid to a Choice program in the north are nil so you know it's like a regional the schools in the middle probably have to go both yeah I think Regional for sure is a way to do it um just to make it more accessible you know maybe

205do a K-8 Choice fair or but it'd have to be at a neutral site because you can't have it at the host you know of the school that's going to recruiter yeah that is true yeah although there are some programs they need to see you know there are some things no I agree but you could do a choice Fair on this day and then you can have open houses at the schools like two or three days later yeah I will tell you that because I've had freshman in the last few years the schools doing their own they've done a better job over the last few years doing their own oh because we have highlight night right so hey I got a mailer for all three schools in my area actually four or five I think

206probably for my my son who was in eighth grade this year like hey come see our this night yeah either got a flyer or a mailer or an email or whatever well we actually have already talked in cabinet a little bit about because we're going through all the bills that were passed and HP one you know families can come basically for part-time classes you know stuff like that and that's actually another bill but anyway so we want to Market all we have to our home school and private school students because we can kind of actually gain FTE for them now yeah so even if they come on on campus there's just one class yeah so so and they've always been able to do a little bit but it's just sometimes School certain schools are making

207that hard right you know like almost like looking like this uh it's a bother I'm like no let them know I mean if they're causing a problem I'll give you an example if a kid come on do I can't wanna I can't remember which school it was but they were coming on campus and the parent would drop them off and then they would like not show up for a couple hours and they were only supposed to go to PE you know and they're wandering around your kids babysitter you know right so I mean there has to be some parameters right but if we can grab a piece of tea for them right yeah yeah I know like ROTC like Mr Susan said that's one of the more popular ones yeah a homeschool kid or even

208a private school kid will now be able to go take the space Force Academy like how cool is that only 10 schools in the entire country have this program and we have one of them and they are now they're competitive some of those programs are competitive but there's only a limited number of spots so they'll have to go in with everybody else um but like you're 100 right there are some principles that try to um because they're busy or whatever it is like even with sports like every year at the beginning of the year oh yeah I get 15 emails from parents that are homeschool parents that are trying to apply to play sports and are hitting barriers yeah and I think that um but you're right like all the way across we even talked

209because I was very big in The Homeschool community and I still am about creating you know there's a lot of them that come in and they say they want to have the same values as other kids you could even wrap around an entire class of kids that come from a specific Church area or some or a specific home school you know what I mean like home schools are inside of coalitions you could have a coalition come to school and provide classes for those Coalition kids so that they all stay tight together yeah there's a lot of cool stuff we can do you know anyways that's what that was and then uh evaluation of eps jobs it's just where we were talking about some of the jobs that were requiring admin and requiring Master's programs and

210all that stuff and we have people who are coming up through the ring spend their 30 years can't take the job and they end up training the same person like five times yeah you know what I mean person gets it stays there for three or four years then retires then they can train them again yeah there's at least one job description we're reviewing right now to see if it really needs it that's right it probably needs to be looked at really for every job description as much as I know that's a huge undertaking but it really does because if we have barriers that are in the way that are enabling us to be able to to hire somebody that you know we we need to we haven't been bringing a lot to us making changes

211and and Carol pointed out that um several of them have that the years of experience yeah and then uh ROTC we're already doing and then the employee Awards is just kind of that thing where we were talking about um where you know the employee awards that we do every year is at the end of the year is like that big thing we used to do those Regional Awards area and it kind of was tighter people more attended that from the public rather than in a and and that's where we were talking about is maybe getting back to some of those Area awards that are at one of the high schools you had because I got area four Excellence award I thought I was the coolest teacher in the world right we're on area four yeah

212so like so the thing is is that you have like all of these things that you know might be help with the overall you know what I mean culture it's funny because there is a Common Thread that keeps being said I've heard it a couple times dropped on different topics but just the uh the area specific and I'm like I think when it went to everything going to a district and we got away from areas because our areas are very different all of them are I mean Cocoa Beach is not like Titusville or Palm Bay or Viera so um that might be a model that's worth entertaining looking at again because it was so successful and it definitely gave it a more personal feel and everyone was engaged in their specific community so maybe something

213to look at and then also the um the retirees that have a certain number of years and maybe some bricks you know what I mean I love that idea because they really are the foundation of what our school system is and they should be there's some there should be something there that honors those we need less area to move right oh you're doing on pavers okay we're gonna end up papers let's go yeah well so that was the thing when we did the track at Cocoa Beach we were going to sell pavers because there's a paved area there and uh the pavers there still have to be the ones that have to be maintained and they wear after a while and stuff so instead we did a wall that has bricks within you know engraved

214bricks and the wall is a huge hit yeah they've already started taking donations for the second wall because the wall was such a huge hit so I imagine we could do something at ESF or somewhere with a wall instead of remembering yeah much easier to maintain this is a great visual for our schools too that are fundraising for different different facilities projects like that if they were to take the bricks that signify a thousand dollars and they need to raise 80 of them or whatever the case is and they put those bricks somewhere that's visual for people to see them being moved from the need to these ones have been sponsored this is how far we are from our project yeah um that's it it definitely it works it was our church but it works

215really well uh the visual is a constant reminder to people so we did that at Century or Viera High we raised yeah well I just before we get off at this I think you know now that we have a superintendent in place I just remind us one of the things we just went through is there was sometimes we get these conversations we get excited and it's like we can't we have to inviting the kindergarten teachers but we remember that the CEO we say hey yeah K3 reading is so important and then his job is with his team to formulate the plan and come back with us and go if this is what you guys want to do here's what it's going to take you could prove the budget you approve the Personnel but you know

216we need to be careful not to get in the weeds of that because that's really his job yeah the takeaway is you guys give me direction and I come back with a plan and say this is what we want to do is is this what you are wanting and this is and if it is this is how much it's going to cost okay we're the what you're the house right I mean that's another that was great to bring it up like Mr fsba over there um but yeah but you brought it up and it made sense so that's good all right good well so am I okay to go with the discussion topic are we or do you want to continue on this do you have anything I think we're going to adding to the

217list because he's got a long list I have a few things to talk about yeah priorities or things to talk about after all this I think okay I'm just bringing this up as a discussion topic because I I think it's going to need to be a an agenda item that's going to be added later um the book review policy and the book committee um I I wanted to talk with the board really about what took place this last week over that committee review uh the amount of time that it took the expectations of those members the crowd uh participation some things that happened there after I I went back and looked at it I thought this is it's not being handled correctly and I want to I want clarification Paul um from you so statutorily

218the board is responsible for all curriculum including media content uh meaning if a book is challenged and that book violates the law the way our policy is written right now the board doesn't have the ability to pull it immediately or do we have the ability to pull it immediately they're already being cool okay but I mean like to make the decision to not have to put it through a committee right so and and here's my thought process okay this is what I'm thinking and Follow Me Down the Rabbit Trail real fast but hypothetically speaking a book is formally challenged it violates the law okay uh the book goes to committee the committee says we want that book to stay on our shelves the board now that's the policy the book would stay on the shelves

219and we followed the policy fully and the board is liable do you see what I'm saying so like there needs to be away from you there's a big thing that you said that you just said it so quickly but it is it violates the law that's going to be the that's going to be the debate where's that trigger in there right so that's what I'm saying as far as I think this needs to be discussed as far as going back to policy making because the threshold of the law being followed like that doesn't need to go to committee because if it violates the law that it violates the law it doesn't need to go to committee right that's my thought process but the policy is not written in a way right now that allows for

220the board to have kind of the hey this one is a no-go because of whatever it isn't it is that law that simple to say this one violates it and this this one doesn't [Music] does the board want to take on hey we need to read this for these 20 books so that we can decide as a threshold issue whether it is a violation of law so what I was thinking and this could be totally wrong and I would love you guys feedback is that maybe maybe the board is the first stop and then if the board feels like this needs to go to committee uh we can't really come to consensus we don't have time to read it send this book to committee to let additional people weigh in on this I don't know

221stop right now is it goes back to the principal media specialist which I think is right the informal that's her stop because they need to operation it's changing don't forget the law did change right yeah how did that change because we see here it's changing but I I haven't looked that up I haven't got it summarized yet okay I'm going to fsbaa this week so we'll go over all the new legislation it's the legislative update so we'll get into the weeks on that a little bit okay and uh come back and there are some boards who have decided rather than committee they're doing it themselves right but I my caution and then this one thing we have to also follow before we make any changes is Escambia is getting saved right now because they did

222a more arbitrary or um we're gonna move all these without they didn't I don't know if they didn't go by their policy it wasn't their policy that was found I don't remember all the details of the story but they're being sued because of the way they did it so we we and Publishers involved in that one too which is upsetting that a publisher is suing them because to my mind if that publisher is publishing stuff and they're suing one of our school districts I'm just ban those books too so we're not Banning the book we're simply saying it's not appropriate for the age in which it's set but our guard rails are staying with our policies so right and so that's what I'm just trying to I apology's gonna have to undergo rulemaking again is

223it going to be where the board wants to come down on it you have several options you could always make the committee a recommendation and then the ultimate decision comes back to the board are we going to accept the recommendation and maybe that's what needs to happen um because I don't think that's written right now the way that it is so um right now yeah and then I guess my other concern that I have too is books that are pulled that don't go through the formal process then are subject to come back in in theory I mean there's nothing that said that that book's not eligible to be in our schools because it hasn't gone through it so there needs to be something written in that policy and I don't remember the graphic one that

224had the pictures and whatever but you know which book was it the gender prayer okay I'm going to use that one as an example there's nothing stopping that book from coming back into our schools right now because it has not gone through the policy it has not been formally removed it has just been taken off the shelves at the principal or media specialist discretion which was the right choice but um so we it should have been one thing we did when we made that revision the last time was it should be noted and it may maybe there should be a do not buy a list yeah some notification to all the schools that this is cool so okay so can we get a list my I guess what I would say is that I think

225that this needs to be a conversation that needs to be had so that we can form a policy that makes sense and covers really all basis right now I kind of feel like we're hanging out there with some books that could potentially come back in that could get us in trouble legally speaking well who's ultimately responsible I mean if a committee makes a decision that could affect I mean us being responsible right I mean they're making a decision but if they've purposely they vote board is the end of the road the recommendation makes a heck of a lot more sense than this is on the this is on the shelves for eight years and now board you're responsible for it so when we come back to this the only thing about that I'm just push

226back this a little bit and either there's one book that got through before we changed the committee that I probably wouldn't be including on the committee I probably wouldn't have put through um and it put was put there with restrictions but still look there for eight years the pushback is to ask these people volunteers that we have asked to do a pretty big job one not not just the reading but to read these type of books to invest this amount of time to sit there in those meetings where they are being I mean I'm going to be bringing that back up I mean and then you say you guys but you're just going to make a recommendation you're going to do all this work you're going to get all this stuff but then it's going

227to come back to us and we could totally overrule you and we're going to have our own debate when they just had the debate and we're gonna have public comment time in here they have the public comment kind of there I don't I'm not a big fan of wasting people's time amen and so if we're gonna select them people that we've each individually trusted and had conversation I'm assuming you've had conversation with yours I've certainly had a conversations with mine what my expectations were what my standards were um and ask them you you represent me um and make that clear I I don't to me if I were serving if I was on the committee and I was gonna do all this work and then it went to the board and the board voted differently

228then to me you just wasted my why am I gonna do this y'all just do it yourself well you're there for the recommendation because you're not responsible if it goes wrong can I interject real fast question is there legal protection for that committee if somebody were to sue those members on that committee for their choice would they fall under the governmental entity and have protection the school board should be the name didn't it my recommendation if somebody got sued on or the committee individually got sued was we represent them just like we do with individual board members or employees and then we move to pull them out for qualified immunity because they're volunteering I know Florida statute has volunteer protection laws yeah if you're volunteering for non-profits and government entities you are protected okay the

229devil cross-checked out with Federal statutes to make sure their whole files propagated by it so uh as long as those laws are out there they would be insulated by law okay but I would still always recommend the board provide that representation and identification was there a threat there's been some on online there have been um but here's the thing I I if there's something we can do to help the people in the community I'm you know it's public whatever we've made it where it's recorded I think people come back and watch it and all that kind of stuff I honestly I'm not a big fan of the public comment time in that thank you I don't think the public comment time should be available I'm not really sure who set those standards because you're the

230final decision maker the public has a right to the school board the school board has made that decision to the committee okay so when we make these changes we can take care of that because they should not be going through that abuse if you tweak it so that the board is the last stop in their recommendation then you're open for public companies and I think that that's fair give it to the board right because the the people that are on that committee are volunteering and the amount of time the other part that was brought to my attention was they were able to speak for three minutes on each specific book so that ended up taking hours I think I want to say five and a half hours yeah the meeting itself was yeah but if

231each of them get three minutes on three books then that's five minutes yeah but you're probably only gonna have one book on me okay but there was I think she's got a few schedules yeah one set up next to me I think she's got a few schedules because they're smaller like shorter poems and stuff like that so so would the board be willing to I guess we would need to move this to an agenda item to bring this policy back forward to Twitter are you coming back anyway right we have to revise the process anyway part of that legislation deals with committees okay we don't want to change it we're gonna have to just turn around okay all right do it right yeah we'll be making a recommendation as well so then should should we

232be going through books currently while it's going to change the policy making again I don't I don't know well no here's the question to that is that now we have 200 or whatever under informal reviews and then we have how many that are in the formal review process 40. you've got about probably 350 total books there's only like 40 something yeah so here's so here's what I would suggest I would suggest because this just is like a ongoing thing that we just keep drudging through keeps coming up right we have the ability to nominate a couple more committees to get through the books yeah I don't know how you guys feel about that but we could get 40 books done in a month and then we're done and we don't have to continue to go

233down this road I don't know if I want to do like a whole bunch of committees no no I don't know what you're going to find that many volunteers for this people don't want to burn down our house we're playing into their hands no I'm just saying that it well we wrote that there on purpose because we were trying to move a little faster yeah but but you also have one person that now has to review 40 books and I understand that they're 100 behind it but it's just literally like if they just keep going you have one person that's going to be reviewing them all if we had a couple more committees then we could have them go through it's not reaction to people who are coming in being negative it's going to give

234them more opportunity to go to more meetings for us to sit there and say we're going to read the cupcake Bible and it's going to take time to do it that's good it's not normal it's not going to qualify to go to formal they have to pull the text out of the book and give reason why that that would be interesting we really don't have that many that's going so here here's right now there's only like 40 informal right the others were informally it's just taxing on our staff to have to go find where are these books Friday was the first time for it to go through this process under the new policy and the first time is going to cause a lot of headache and once we get into a group I'm an optimist

235that into the next meeting will probably not be as rough I think people just wanted to get I haven't watched it yet but wanted to get out you should watch it yeah I'm going I'm planning on it when I listen to it on the way home today and then you know Tennessee yeah um but I think that first time it's going to be was going to be rough um and so in those in the public comments well that's I guess that's where to to Shield them from the public comment that should be directed to towards the board but because we've shifted it to the committee the committee's taking the beating there it needs to come back to the board and is it like a special meeting where they have to speak to the topic that's

236what wasn't happening it was personal attacks for the people that have put for that sit on that that's a special Community it should it should be happy so I mean so it wasn't happening so again School in that committee how did the policy is not from who's running them needy Miss Sullivan is does it say it in the policy or was it selected yeah Miss Black is the person that's right and it says that in the in the in the city there is a chairman in the policy she's the non-videration she just runs the meeting it's a lot to ask of her but I think if we can give some direction of you know if people you know that it's a special meeting yeah if I understand Paul correctly if we change the policy to

237where the board is the final voting Authority and the committee can meet and discuss and make a recommendation they're not going to be subject to public comment right they won't have public comment it'll be open to the public yeah I think that's right but they won't have to hear the public comments the board would be subject to that when it's time to make the meeting to make that decision right so I think that's one of the things you know majority of the board can when we change the because we have to revise the process anyway yeah so yeah well what's the fastest way that can be done though and I know that this is uh you know I know no one wants to go through this policy over and over and over again but like

238I don't want to subject those people that volunteered their time on that committee to another you know hour and a half two hours of verbal assaults from people over doing something they volunteered to do to try to help so as much as I hate to say let's can we can we fast-track that to make the board have this end-all sale on it they the committee gives the recommendation that way the public comments come to us and they're not steered directly at those volunteers we got to start that process yeah and I think I think and we need to I know hurry up and slow down but we need to not make the final decision not the final but you know out of an impromptu conversation today let's think about it I I actually talked to

239somebody on the community of Industry representative um but not about that specific it'd probably be good to go back to our Representatives what do you think how to go what would what would make it easier um not not just easier because it's a tough job either way it is I I'm I am you know I could I can see the benefits of us making the final call because like I I don't like the public comments but if we have to have it if they are taking a vote of that kind final say but at the same time I we as board members need to be cognizant of what we inter what we trust them to do does it mean we can't override them but we need to be careful well I and I I don't

240think the board's intention would be to override them my intention behind this is to Shield those volunteers from a verbal assault for hours on end um we signed up for it they did not they're helping and so for me I'm like it needs to come back and fall on us so if people want to get mad about it and they don't like what's happening get mad at the board because these are just volunteers that are helping yeah it's just um can you imagine people have seen every committee and people so let me ask you this is there a way for us to have so the informal process is where the school-based group use it and then says yes or no right is there a way for us to get for as a school board a

241list look through them yeah and do that ahead of all of that does that make sense to you because it's not I'm not so much us but there's a we can set a standard that either it is or it doesn't violate the law and then it can get triggered based on that because some of them it's clear right and the school normally says that but there's some that come in that it's clear and they just push it to the committee so if there's a way to avoid 40 I'm just what I'm trying to do is reduce the amount that are actually coming before I don't know if we can do that because that's by that's by the public being able to submit that but it's but it's if it violates the law then we shouldn't

242be reviewing it anyway because we're held accountable but that is like our who are the five of you going to read it may not be something you want in your library but it's not available yeah we're removing books that just that that are not only violating law but we just say we don't want that in our library right so yeah because I think that was a mix-up at that meeting too they're like oh no we want you Gibbs in there because you're going to remove a book and it doesn't violate the law well I you get three votes you could remove a book because you don't like the cover of the book we're not removing books just because it violates a law so but what you're saying is I because I think there was because

243there was somebody that called me about that that what was the responsibility because here in the law here's about breaking the law if we if somebody's gonna assume they're gonna have a really and I've had this conversation we're gonna have a really hard time proving that it the three-prong test but to me it works the other way too if we're gonna they're gonna have to if someone says oh you shouldn't have removed that because it didn't violate the law well they're going to have to prove that it doesn't do yeah you can't prove it one way you can't prove the other so there it you know the part of one of those parts of three-prong test is community standards and we have Representatives you know we are representatives of the community and our representative on

244the committee are represented the community and so they you know they represent those Community standards so you know I I don't want anybody on the committee to get caught up in oh my gosh is this is it can I can I prove in a court of law that my decision they don't have to do it right I think because that is our responsibility I think the members I think people can communicate that to our committee members correct so but then back to my case in point what happens if the committee turns something over and I know what you're I hear what you're saying but it could happen to where the majority of the committee turns a book over that definitely violates and but that definitely violates the reason why I keep pushing back on that

245is because that goes to court and people sometimes even can't so it's to say this definitely violates something that is not super clear well the books that were just done I mean there were pictures they were drawn out pictures that were they were but they were removed they were removed it wasn't unanimous but what would have happened to get removed that's what I'm saying that's where I'm kind of going down that trail and again shielding our volunteers from taking a public assault of hours on end I feel like it should come back to us as the board not today with that so is there a way or is the board in favor of moving to where they give a recommendation to the board the board then takes the action so the public comment comes to

246us not to them and I would say that in six days exactly what the state legislature is so I'm not that I mean it deals with meeting members and the bill itself Neola will probably be August before they have it yeah and I'm saying I want to do it now well but here's the thing the policy the way we first we first added all this stuff in in 20 19 and then we revised it revised it Neola didn't have a template for that yeah and when we revised 2521 the last time they actually followed Neil's recommendation I'm like where was all that work that we did on the Committees and the formal and informal process like oh we got to add that back in because it was a it was a Brevard specific process because

247every county is doing it differently I don't know how many counties have as specific laid out plan as what we have and so even when we get neolas unless it's except for the specific things the person that complains not happy there's a mechanism to go to the state and we have to pay for the special magistrate to hear the case and make final decision that's the new legislation right okay along with it automatically comes off the shelves and performance requirements for committee members like have to have children there's also some checks and balances that's in the legislation yeah that was it school-aged children I think it said they could have graduated you had to I don't remember all the time I know it deals with the makeup or requirements for the committee members and there's

248the appeal process and books well you'll know after this weekend then pretty much the media specialist also this new training there's kind of a checks and balances thing on that side too they're going to gonna be gonna have to be more judicious in what they're putting in which should eventually right but they got to catch up with what they this one person in library and they give they order a book and then they get 20 in the box when that book comes in they're not reading those books well a good media specialist and I say this from one of my friends it's a good video specialist if it's a controversial topic she'll read that one you know she reads 100 you know probably 100 books a year or more you know going through and if

249it's something that's controversial that should be one that they don't rely on reviews for because yeah well and I just I guess I'm going to go back to I just for the record I would like to expedite that process to take the burden of public comment off of that committee and put it on us as the board so whatever we need to do to do that if we're going to bring something forward I don't want to Bring It Forward well if we need to start the process you're done by this weekend but if we need to think well because you could advertise it now and that's right through right right so we can't have our conversation next week our first conversation next week we don't have a discussion again we just discussed it and we

250can come in and talk to you about what you'll learn right would you be able to provide us with some more specific updates yeah I mean I don't have the statute right here yeah sorry surprise there actually might be room on Tuesdays agenda because we did have a discipline update on there and we're going to have student services present their budget but Mrs dampier just joined us yesterday yeah and she would actually killer to uh present those later because he wants to be able to speak from a position of authority when she speaks she doesn't want to say when we ask questions well I don't know I just got here well I don't know I don't know I just got it so she would we were going to move at least one of her presentations

251off so can we ask for Paul to give us an update with more specifics of the new statute around yeah I mean so I'm going to get at fspa fads fads is meaning too I'm going to get a legislative update it's on the fsba calendar alleged topics they say they'll take so they'll cover that a little bit that'll be the best guidance we get is from from Paul's group I don't think we have to necessarily wait for neola's what I was trying to say earlier because I think our our part of that policy is so specific that we can make the tweaks without winning and Neil is going to have the like like requirements for the committee make up you can always leave that until later and update for the appeal and recommendation process now

252and then just go right back we can update our in-house process is there a daily rule making that's not having to happen on this one too yeah okay I mean I would prefer that just just simply for the sake of our volunteers that are serving and they're already giving up a work day on top of the time to read these books and then now they're getting assaulted by the public that's coming in and saying things I don't think that's a very fair we can give direction to miss slack to that she has our um to be a tighter on those public comments that people are not talking to this specific book yeah they should be cut off yeah right and redirected yes is there any way that I could go in there and run the

253chair some help yeah I mean we you know we might we might put some more muscle in there to help her yeah I think so it was it was yeah yeah I don't know if she's had experience in that it's not her fault and Dr Sullivan's in there but they're I mean it didn't matter they're trying to be really careful yeah to not overstep their bounds but well there were people that were cursing from from the microphone on the microphone and nobody's saying not to do that and nobody's stopping it so it's like those are yeah that's but they are supposed to be following our public yeah which means they can only talk bad about us yeah there's that that brings us into another area that we have specific people that are literally on social

254media that are attacking our people like not even not even like remotely I don't like this person it is obscene and then those same people are coming and speaking at the meeting and stuff like that what can we do to protect our people is there a cease and desist is there anything can we put it in our policy I mean we don't regulate Facebook or Tick Tock or anything I mean someone's getting threatened and we've had this conversation before calling your local law enforcement or anything and say hey there how about it how about as a uh as a committee I mean if we're going to be messing with the policy I mean when we appoint somebody to a committee is there is there any kind of Ethics that they have to uphold them or

255their spouse they have to abide by BPS like uh because they're not good their spouses are not going to be governed so I don't know well then those people sign it or they don't sign if they don't sign that then they don't need to be a part of my committee if I if I if yes policies governs the committee operation if I appoint John Smith to a committee but John Smith's wife is threatening somebody else on that committee John Smith either it gets it corrected or John Smith is off that committee I don't know if it doesn't stop John Smith's wife from still threatening people on that committee though here's but at least that guy that person's off the committee because I mean it is getting that's that's so what I was getting at is

256this anyway sorry if they're to make a formal complaint against somebody that's threatening them we've always made it to where they have to go do that through the municipality that they live in right they have to go to their local law enforcement but if we're the governing agency can our local law enforcement respond the same way that we look into they're probably going to kick it to whoever is governing law enforcement Whoever has jurisdiction over that individual is the sheriff technically has county-wide jurisdiction so they may take it and then just forward the complaint to Melbourne if that's who is a clinical jurisdiction okay that's more probably a major question if we if would it have to be the person that's being threatened or could it be somebody else that could make that could if

257there are employee or our volunteer I have no problem making that request yeah upset with some of the behavior I'm seeing from some some of these people and it just needs to end and I'm just trying to find a way to protect our people that's the reason I was Advocate about pulling our staff off because I knew where this was going yeah and this is the same thing like these people volunteer well our volunteers are getting attacked yeah bad so if we can pull like a public comment off of them at least you're you're never gonna resume with an unreasonable person they're going to go on the internet they're going to do the same stuff they always do it's their immaturity that does it so like unfortunately until they grow up and they learn that

258that's not a productive way to actually have a conversation about something you disagree with um that's what the world that we live in so the internet gives them that soapbox to stand on but I think if we can start the process now of taking the I guess changing that policy to where they make the recommendation to the board it comes before us and we ultimately decide and then that pulls the public comment off of them is that a fair request is everybody in favor yeah I really think we can make sure there's some some muscle in there to help her yeah I like that because that's a lot it'll alleviate a little bit at least because honestly I'm like I the reality is all of our our volunteers are going to quit guys We're not

259gonna be able to find anybody that's going to say yeah I'll under six hours of it's fun protecting our people you know what I mean like there are people like like that's that's good yeah all right sorry that was my discussion I know that we're getting ready to break for lunch I hope we did get to the bottom of the whole thing so yeah he had a couple things I have some things yeah all right because we have to fill time until our 1 30. anything what's up or Jordan thank you I just wanted to update everybody on some stuff that I was working on so I don't know if you remember back in the interview process I hold up this fancy folder it's not that fancy but I said you know I had an

260action plan five things I was going to be working on if I was fortunate enough to be selected to be the superintendent so I want to give you an update on those different things that I have been working on these things make sure the five axis tips are there in the bullets our first was relationship building an academic progress check to see how we did this year so far in academics okay I'm an organ organizational structure evaluation strategic plan review and tiered support inventory so the first one the relationship building is underway so Allison sent out a letter to all the principles and Mr Global staff from director on up saying I wanted to meet with them and try to spend some time with them get to know what they think working for our district

261what's not working what can work on that kind of thing and so inside the organization that is happening and outside the organization I've already been to a couple community events last Thursday morning on the first day on the job started off with a legislative delegation breakfast that was hosted by the chamber so got to hear from our legislative Wars about state legislators and all the stuff they did and some of it was related to education a lot of it was so made some contacts there with legislators that I didn't know already so made sure tried to introduce myself in that and then went to the NAACP uh Central Brevard NAACP Center Saturday night and I have a bunch of other meeting set up with different organizations as we go over the next couple months so

262the relationship building is happening it's I'm out there we're doing the academic progress check I talked a little bit with uh staff in cabinet about when we could put this together we're kind of waiting for the state to release some comparable data like we can look at our data like we can have look at pm1 and pm2 we have access to that already algebra one scores and stuff like that but I'd love to be able to get some other District data so we can compare so but that's going to happen sometime this summer maybe the June 27th board Workshop we'll do a presentation but just so we kind of know where we are this year you know we uh I think we've been told we we might have informational grades sometime you know later in

263the year for this year the last time we switched from one testing platform to another they gave us informational grades school grades if we wanted them and so we might get the same thing this year they won't at least this is what I remember them saying is they won't give us they won't calculate learning gains because we're going from one platform to a meal not all the testing changed but you know the English and or reading and math change grades three through eight and ten so in a reading but the algebra one EOC is still there it was there before the biology EOC is still there graduation rate's still there college and crew rate is still there so a lot of those components are still there and they're not changed in platforms so I would

264expect us to get some kind of informational grade sometime in the year we have sharp enough people John Carr Nate O'Reilly that we can calculate what we believe our grades would be based on all that kind of stuff so we may not have possible grades to present to you in June but I want to at least show how we deal with PM with fast and how we did you know from PM one to three and so on so it'll be some kind of academic performance up update before the summer is over organizational structure evaluation a lot of that's going to be based on these meetings that I'm having with people inside the organization talking to them about what's working what's not working and stuff like that I think I want to be able to present

265something to you again June 27th at that Workshop I appreciate you some information and stuff like that um strategic plan review so the staff we're reviewing our progress on the Strategic plan June 16th we have the whole day set aside to do that Mr Wilson's kind of orchestrating that because it's a chief operating officers wheelhouse has been for years so we'll go through the morning talking about you know how we've done on some of our metrics some of the things we're supposed to be measuring then we'll spend the afternoon talking about what we can do to raise our performance in those areas if we need to do that that um and I think we probably won't have anything to share with you on June 27th that'll probably be July 11th so we'll be I'll bring

266you kind of a sense of how we did on this treaty plan this is year four we're going into our last year of the Strategic plan I believe so um we'll see how we're doing and then the last one action step five is the tier support inventory this will take a little more time to gather all the data but we talked about a little bit earlier in some of the conversations we want to see what standard support looks like in tier one so how do we support all of our schools all of our schools that's what tier one and it's tier two somewhat more needy schools what are we doing for them and then tier three those is our highest needs schools what are we providing to them and I just want to make sure

267that we're not top loading you know giving so much support to tier two and tier three that tier one is not getting the support they need so when we did that in Indian River years ago that was the first time we started doing it this way we actually reviewed the supports every uh nine weeks during the school year to see if you know we saw a school that was a tier two school start to perform better and move into tier two tier one then we might see a tier one school that's starting to drop we might shift some resources around um you know maybe quite a stretch for our staff to go to changing every course we may do it like semester like do a mid-year check in January to see but you know sometimes

268schools get processes in place and things are getting working well and supported and student achievement starts to increase so you might be able to pull away one or two of those supports and give them to a school that needs them but you have to be careful not to pull away the supports and also the academic achievement goes down so I haven't had a lot of conversation with the people involved in this it's student services and then leading and learning to see you know but um we'll do an inventory I don't know if I'll be able to bring something back to you on this before July 11th or probably later you know I don't know if it's July 11th on that it might be later but I just wanted to share with you guys that I

269am doing these things I said I was going to do and just kind of give you an update when they're going to release the not anything that I remember seeing I didn't have access to all the district communities I know it's supposed to come faster than ever has before because we got our results like within days right so we got our PM you know three date data right away it's a matter of dropping everything into those spreadsheets to see you know did we and and we're a district that performs really well in proficiency and so if there's no learning gains then we should be issuing to check let me check but I don't believe it when I see it but you know Dr Solomon and I did review and Jane fine did review some pm3

270data last week or the week before and I don't want to say it on being recorded but it looks really good that's good so we're very hopeful that we have really good news to share I've heard nothing but goes honestly from our principals even our District staff about this new system um being able to get results immediately not having to wait and the fact that we're testing them more frequently it does help measure rather than just one test at the very end where it's like this is the sink or swim test we can kind of look at it and reevaluate maybe we need to focus more attention here on on what we're teaching our well it gives us state if we're going to consider reassigning right you know supports and assets that it gives us

271data to do that yeah I mean so that's the beauty of formative assessment that's the fancy term that's used for is this progress monitoring and that was the cell and they said we're not going to have one big test at the end we're going to have three testing episodes but they'll be quicker you know in the first first round of pm1 it was we were all learning how to administer the assessment and so we it was a big Interruption to schools to administer pm1 because we were this a new test we're figuring out how to do it okay so there were a lot of people like this is worse yeah which is worse than when we had Africa it's worse than we had FSA and we didn't get the results right away after that first

272round by Statute I think it's two weeks I don't think we got him on the 14th day you know so but we get the data and then we can you can make informational educational decisions on the data like the classroom teacher can look at the day and say okay my students have done well in this area they haven't done well in this area so I know how I taught this worked how I thought this did not work now I need to go back and reteach it or teach it differently or something like that and pm2 was much more valuable because now we saw growth or no growth from pm1 and you're halfway through the year so theoretically you should be halfway through the material now the interesting thing about pm1 and pm2 they both had

273questions for the whole curriculum so you're basic basically testing somebody in September on information that they may not be exposed to until May and so you expect to see growth in pm2 because now you've taught some of that material but we saw much more growth than we expected and in pm3 we were most of the place most of the data points I saw we were pretty excited about the results but going back to the method it's so much better to get data that you can take action on you know so the teacher can get data right at the beginning of the year they kind of know where their kids are at the Baseline and they know like if everybody in my class scores proficient on this one concept and I wasn't even planning on speaking

274teaching that concept until October I know I can I don't want to skip that concept but I know I can feel comfortable that I can concentrate on some other stuff and maybe not spend as much time on that you know but pm2 I know the teachers at Cocoa Beach when we dug through our data in pm2 that's where they could see our I know what I need to focus on the next two months because they had to be ready for for pm3 which is in May well that's tremendous honestly I think it's got to be a side relief for our teachers because honestly waiting to I mean some of our kids I wouldn't pick up their their FCAT results until the summer of the next year when I was going to register them for school

275and I'm like how in the water are you supposed to know if they did good or not that's crazy so well and I think some of this I don't know if it'll change some other stuff like biology is an EOC algebra one's an EOC American history is an EOC but you get your Biology EOC scores in the summer and you're done with Biology yeah so what you got is what you got there's no go back in reteaching and what they miss because we're you're done yeah right so the formative assessment is the way to go you know progress monitoring along the way I just don't know if it it'll do that with those other subjects or not and we did we're doing it ourselves with algebra with maps testing but we don't have that I

276mean the I think the biology teachers will do like I know the court reporter is here okay all right she can come in thank you thank you I don't know if we have that I mean teachers can do Benchmark tests yeah what's interesting is years ago there are a lot of districts in that was when I was in St Lucie we were one of them and I think we did it here a little bit but seamlessly developed its own set of benchmarks for all the EOC type tested subjects and even for FCAT and FSA related subjects or just English and math in other words in science but the benchmarks were poor quality and so the teachers did not did not value them yeah so if the teachers didn't value them the students didn't value them

277so then when you're taking these benchmark assessments every six weeks or nine weeks then it's a waste of time yeah I've been to sub scribe yes it does yeah I don't know if she didn't give me that information yeah but I think you know that's the thing about pm1 and pm2 at least most of the teachers I've talked to um pm1 they maybe had maybe not had not convinced their students that it was important but by pm2 they had yeah so we had more reliable data and then pm3 that's when he said hey this counts you know and then they take it more seriously I know sorry I'm sorry so I'm excited about the results I believe I'm going to be excited about the results to share so hopefully they're they're strong like we think

278again um bring up the you know the one of the HP one part of it is that deregulation committee that they're going to be putting together it's a great opportunity for us to get to go after some of this because what's a good idea of hers have done for many years is just pile stuff and some of it's just not effective yeah so when we're talking people I would say ask him say hey what is it that really bogs you down yeah and see if we can't make that a recommendation because I'd love to go after that d-rig yeah and say look here's the 50 things that you need to change yeah and and then I think we win with retention no thank you you know what I mean looking like we're leading that cause

279yeah I think that's be good just three just a thought process all right did you have anything else no that was it just to kind of give you an update on yeah it's awesome wait we were talking about board meeting organization earlier and stuff like that I've talked to a couple board members this is something I'd kind of like just more Direction on years ago we used to start all of our business meetings off with a student performance so music or something like that Elementary School chorus or something like that we we do that and then we'd have some secondary students either middle school students or high school students usually a pair that one would say the Pledge and then one would read a quote or a poem or something and so we used to

280start every business meeting off like that at five o'clock I believe or 5 30 and then when those groups were all done performing and doing all that we would play a video for five to ten minutes maybe 15 minutes so if it was a band and they had equipment they could clean up their equipment and the parents that were all there would you know be there for the performance they would all leave and then when we reconvene you'd actually open the business meeting or get to business and stuff like that so uh you know I've talked to Russell brune about setting this up as when we come back in the fall when we have students in classes we we can start doing performances again I just kind of need the board's direction if they want

281to do that I love it so I I'm glad to grow up because I had a principal up with a great idea last year and I haven't got a chance to bring it to the board yet um because I think when they stopped doing some of that was because it was a hardship on some of the schools to get there by that time by the time I get out of school I know like my daughter's school sang a couple times it would be an end but we didn't get out till 3 30 and by the time you get it right there so that created a little bit of a hardship to try to get everybody there but with this so I'm going to add to the conversation with this the principal said you know because

282she was bringing attention to what some of the schools like we recognize the teams that go out so a lot of times the elementaries are the ones who don't get everything get very much of a spotlight she was wondering if we could just for each board meeting highlight a school and have the principal be in charge of what they wanted to bring right you know want to bring kids want to bring performance in the summer obviously they wouldn't but then just like we're doing our our campaign our advertising campaign for schools we've done the videos um like rock paper symbols in the middle school videos we've done done what y'all did the flyers for each school and commercials that it's kind of like a little commercial brag on your school moment yeah can you bring

283whatever you want for your school to share you know and so whether it's just a principal or their bring or they bring a video to show or products or a group or you know and just kind of let them I don't know if they'd all be willing to do that but if they only did it's going to take a while though right that's right right right yeah it used to be that it was uh would be watching to see when their term was going to come up and if they saw a school go twice before it was their turn then they would be yeah that was something and saying hey wait a minute we can still race like the big state championship type group sure we would still get the disadvantages to that like because

284Elementary's are not going to have that kind of opportunity yeah and there may be an elementary school that you know they don't really think they have a chorus or a band that is worthy of coming you know especially early in the year they haven't had a chance to practice but they may want to come and brag on their stem program or something they show pictures of a really unique event or a club or if we do two in the same night I'm just thinking that if we did two in the same night we have two meetings a month that's still only 48 schools for the year so we still they would be on a basically every other year rotation of coming to the board meetings otherwise it's going to be every four years yeah so

285sometimes some principals are like yeah I know we're good yeah I mean so you may not I think the idea is I'll talk to Russell and I'll talk to the you know some of the principals and kind of get some feedback on what kind of what we could do yeah in 20 to 30 minutes she's the one who asked me about that they are the reason that we are there so absolutely love it well that's the thing you start the meeting off with really Positive Vibes like everybody's excited everybody's happy parents see the there's this school board meeting that you know meets and makes decisions about their kids schools and stuff like that so there's a connection now but parents also when we bring the high school kids or middle school kids to do the

286pledge or you know the Poetry or whatever they realize oh there's the school board there's what what is this organization what is it you know right so it's an awareness for the people in the district that the school board exists and they have these meetings and things happen but it's also a way for everybody in the room to be reminded really why we're in the room yeah yeah so might bring the temperature down a little bit you know at least we'd start the meeting off with good news and before we dive into the business yeah like a little bit of housekeeping oh are you done yeah I'm good now yeah yeah you want to go now it was real fast um Coco Titusville West Melbourne are the first cities that we'll probably go to okay

287um because they're all teachers the Mayors yeah we're teachers at BPS which is going to be pretty cool they're really excited for this like I've talked to a couple of them um and I'm still like Cocoa Beach is still waiting to get back but it's going to be so far out but they didn't give me a time but they're really excited for it um but um do you want me to explain or do you want to do it I mean I can so I've been offered and accepted in a different position I told Dr Randall and that on Friday um I put my two weeks into this on Friday but they wanted to wait till today I almost gave my two weeks notice when she did it I was wondering why you were training Allison

288to do all the things she's looking with backup anyways but um just just [Music] oh yeah she she was like why aren't you mad and I said because I'm always happy for somebody when they're happy where they go you know what I mean and you're you've done such an amazing job for us and I think that everybody here is knows that you're going to be missed and just so you know that that group does not perform the way that you want we will fire whoever it is you will always have a spot at BPS but now thank you so much honestly coming into this transition it's been like uh here on landing and you have just been so steady and stable and I cannot thank you enough because you were just a rock through a

289really hard time can you just publicly state that we didn't right [Music] yeah look at this one right here yeah right so she's gonna do the agendas for the rest of the year before she leaves and they cannot change at all so so where does that that leaves us in the process of needing to hire to Dr rindel and I talked about it it's in his house so he's gonna bring like three or four people together for us yeah we'll advertising if I get like two to three to four people that I think are high quality I'll share their background their name their background of qualifications with you guys before we pick anybody just to give you guys some input okay so then Allison's gonna be the new Tammy for sure temporarily okay yeah I

290just kind of you can't take my surgery is that what it is yeah Tammy if you can help out a little bit in that transition like a bad question yeah because I'll just make it up I'll just make it up and they won't know what's going on [Music] hand made her little thing before she left so I do yeah I've been working I'm going to work in the office with her for the next two weeks and so to make sure [Music] we need to schedule a closed session so I can talk to you guys about bargaining because we want to go put some stuff on the table but I need to get four Direction on what we can put on the table okay so that's about all I can say so you know but we

291wanted we want to start get the negotiations process started with our bargaining units and even the non-bargaining as we want to get going okay do we have to notice that so we can do it Tuesday we just have to schedule it well we canceled everything I mean if we want to get this thing no this coming Tuesday the 13th not the 20th oh you're you're a week off but anything that we would you be ready by now yeah I think I'd be ready um I'd love to do it yeah see you later unless you want to do some something special before the end of the week I mean Tuesdays well listen I don't know how long do you think we would need for the closed session so that we can pump 45 minutes to an

292hour at the most okay so we're supposed to come in at one anyways is 10 30 which just means that the workshop ends after the board meeting and we can take a break the workshop can start anytime after 10 30. so we don't need the time at the conclusion of the businessman okay now it kind of motivated okay so we'll do the same here is that okay I don't know if everybody heard that I said Indiana River what we used to do is schedule a closed session at the conclusion of the business meeting now you're going to visit me first on Tuesday right so then you got a workshop so it could be up to conclusion in the workshop yeah because it's not advertised during executive session whereas the workshop is and that's what you're

293saying if you need a hired software Workshop that doesn't mean prioritizens okay yeah I think two topics are coming off so it's chocolate yeah so to do it at the end of the workshop I'm good with that um question on that topic while we're there I don't when is the deadline like the legislation that talked about the union 1010 is unlikely to survive um when is that hard date of when they become not a union anymore I don't have it in my head but uh the way it's a phase-in approach and the law is affected in July I think they have until like october-ish to certify whether or not they have the membership and then they get I want to say so long to try and get the sixty percent right so we're not gonna

294be a longer so we will be negotiating this year with with that place because I'm just wondering for the future this then this is not something we need to talk about right now but for the future I'm what does it look like to not have a union for that group of employees yeah how do you well just guys make it do you certified doesn't mean you're not going to have another try and step in and say Hey I want to represent you guys okay so you could be right back at the table could bft potentially pick them up or no yeah but then that adds to their percentage and they go down it wouldn't be DMT if they could like have another Branch representing then so the same people could potentially there are some districts

295who have won Educational Employees Union but I don't think we have people want to add them in because that drops their percentage down yeah and then they've made conversation about it yeah right yeah the other one is because 1010 is kind of weird it's like the painters and whatever you need the true custodian one through the school districts is called ABS me they're big they're falling they'll be the same way though they don't have the numbers across the city I think it's just our employees it's just like the bus drivers are usually in those unions and they're not in our districts yeah yeah I just choose to the Future when it comes up I just obviously there's some districts I think that don't already have unions for those employees I mean I just don't know

296how it works I mean you don't have to bargain so then it's just up to the board and yeah we would treat them just like the other non-bargoning group right and so then the non-bargaining group would probably outnumber the bargain group as far as numbers but salary's not the same cost is not the same right but in number of employees you know because you can strike a deal with your non-bargary unit right away if you want because there's really no deal because you just tell them what they're getting right thank you very much that's what I say my household right but we'll take care of them obviously yeah I mean yeah I mean the kind of the situations now assume that we wouldn't do that without well we have a good relationship with our unions

297and many other districts the unions in fact a little bit differently than what we have and it's a very acoustic relationship depending on how depending on how that plays out you know three years from now we might be a war with the same people that we were yeah well I don't actually since day one we shouldn't need a union if our district did it was right by our employees all the time we wouldn't need a union we would do the right thing but uh I don't necessarily oppose them advocating on behalf of our staff and our teachers so all right yeah we got to do our little steel oh yeah what do you want I gotta read this thing so are we good on the business meeting it's good he's ending this one so we're

298good good