001Good evening. It is a pleasure to welcome you to the November 18th, 2025 school board meeting. It is 6 p.m. and I call to order this regular meeting. I wish to extend a warm welcome to everyone present. This meeting is called pursuant to section 101.37 Florida statutes where the superintendent acts as chairman until the reorganization of the board has been completed. Thank you for taking the time to join us this evening and your interest in the operation of Flaggler County School District. Uh please rise for a moment of silence. Thank you. We will now have the presentation of the colors. Tonight, the colors are being presented by FPC Air Force Jotc, by Cadet Master Sergeant Sophia Thomas, Cadet Technical Sergeant Liam Vidal, Cadet Staff Sergeant Matthew Wickham, Cadet Airman First Class Isabelle Perez, led by
002Advisor Lieutenant Colonel Melvin Baskerville. Please join me for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. And tonight, I'm proud to introduce uh the Indian Trails Brass Quartet and they will present the national anthem. Hallelujah. You may now retire the colors. All right. Okay. You may be seated. All right. In a few minutes, uh, we will be recessing to the reorganization meeting of the school board of Flaggler County, Florida, this 18th day of November, 2025. But first, I want to welcome and introduce to the audience the honorable Andrea Totten. Uh, Judge Totten will be presiding over our swearing in ceremony of the selection of board chairman and vice
003chairman for the 2025 and 2026. Thank you for being here, Miss Tata. So, now we will do our roll call starting at the end of the dis. >> Olivia Delgado here. Ava Mulun. Lauren RmIrez present. Janie Ready present. >> Christy Chong >> Will Furry. >> Lashaka Moore. >> Okay. At this time, um, at this time, we will recess to the reorganization meeting. Uh, I would like to turn the meeting over to Superintendent Moore. >> Good evening. It is 6:05. We will begin the reorganization meeting. I would like to say welcome to our public. Thank you for joining us. Um, as earlier stated, this meeting is called pursuant to section 100001.37, Florida statutes for the purpose of reorganizing our school board by the election of a chair and a vice chair. The first order of business
004is 2.01 to adopt the agenda uh for the reorganization of the school board. Board, you have before you the uh agenda for the reorganization meeting. Are there any changes to the agenda? Any discussion? If not, I'll call for a motion to adopt the agenda. >> A motion to adopt the agenda. >> Second, please. >> Second. We've had a motion by Mr. Furry, a second by Miss Chong. All those in favor, please sign by saying I. >> I. >> Any oppose? Thank you. It carries 540. According schoolboard policy, the board follows Robert's rules of order. Newly revised, the Flaggler County School Board is required to conduct an election for the chairman for the term of November 18th, 2025 through November 17th, 2026. The board will conduct their organization meeting at this time. Um, again in in
005accordance to section 10001.371, Florida statutes addressing organization of the board and board policy 202 Flaggler County School Board policy states that on the third Tuesday after the first Monday in November of each year, the school board shall organize by electing a chairman. It further states that it may elect a vice chairman and the superintendent shall serve as the ex official secretary. Further, it states that within two weeks after the election of a chairman that the secretary shall file a document with the department of education stating that whom our chairman and vice chairman are. I will accept nominations for chairman after which the board will vote. Then I will accept nominations for vice chairman followed by the vote. Nominations do not require a second. If only one person is nominated, naturally that choice would be unanimous
006unless someone would like to register a dissenting vote. I will now open the floor to accept nominations for chairman of the board for the coming year. Any board member may nominate a board member as chair. The floor is now open. I nominate Christy Chong to be chair of the flag county school board for the 2526. >> Miss Chong has been nominated as chairman of the board for the 2526. Are there any other nominations? >> I would like to nominate myself as chairman and Miss Ramirez as vice chair. >> We are going to first just address uh chairman. Um, so we have Miss Ruddy has been nominated as chairman of the board for the 2526 school year. Are there any other nominations? >> Uh, I would like to nominate myself, Lauren Ramirez, for chair for school
007board, please. >> Okay, we have Miss Ramirez has been nominated as chairman of the board for the 2526 year. Are there any other nominations? Okay. If no other nominations, um then we will begin our vote in the order of which the nominations um were submitted. We will first start with Miss Chong. Miss Chong has been nominated to serve as chair. Um all those in favor for Miss Chong serving as chair, please sign by saying I. >> Miss Moore, >> I'm sorry. Prior to that, is there similar to what we did last year, perhaps everyone state why they want to be chair, their um background? Is that or is that only when it's a tie? >> Certainly, it would be permitted to have board discussion prior to the vote on this item. >> Yes. So, we'll
008start with Miss Chong. >> Okay. Um, thank you, Chair Furry, for the nomination. Um, it's my fourth year of my first term, so I would really love the opportunity to be able to serve this time around. Um, I am also going to be one of the more experienced board members. Now, um, also, um, part of what I do, um, I'm really good at time management and keeping things on track. So, I do think I would be good at keeping our meetings moving along and organized. Thank you. >> Thank you. Thank you. Next, we will go to Miss Ready. Sure. Uh while this has been a really fast first year in office here, uh I believe that I have set uh a new standard for somebody coming into this position new. um not bringing in my
009education background, but the impact that I've had over this first year. For example, uh bringing in a contact from fleet services, which uh is currently under review for a potential $1 million saving to the district. um to represent all of our students in their academic growth. Uh not only in the areas of need such as our IEP and ESC students, but also in advocating for gifted students, which our data shows could increase our enrollments. um helping directly with the um facilitation of improvements for communication such as the development of the transportation communication board which was significant to reduce anxiety amongst parents when we had some uh bus shortages delays and I collaborated bringing together transportation as well as uh the um tech team in addition uh to improve access to information. Another key collaboration was
010with the tech team to implement AI into our web page in order to get the information faster uh to our community members. Um, and so I've been an active voice and participant in our meetings in order to understand the modern challenges that public education has and how to navigate them best and hold our students at the forefront of every decision. Thank you. >> Thank you, Miss Ramirez. >> Uh, thank you. And, um, thank you for allowing us to do this. So I feel um you know all of us we've worked really great together and accomplished a lot especially with our policies for myself I feel I have prepared for this role specifically I have attended every single opportunity that has been provided to me for from Flaggler schoolboard association I haven't missed one training I
011am over 70 uh certified board member credits now um I feel like that training has really prepared me for this role potentially if it would um be able to happen um whenever it may be. But I prepared I've been to every single training. Um I've also been recognized as an emerging leader because of that. And then I I'm fair professional. Um I think we all work really well together. But in this role, you really need to think outside the box and um everything that I've done and learned and you know been mentored with, I've taken advantage of all the opportunities provided from this role. So, I just feel like this would be a great next step, but regardless, uh it's been amazing serving this first year that has gone very, very fast. So, thank you
012very much. >> Okay. I'd like to also add comment um before the vote as well. Uh I I nominated Christy Chong because um she is one of the most tenur board members that we have right now. She is in the um in the last year of her four-year term. and um she's been a large part of steering the direction of this organization into positive into the positive results that we've seen over the last several years and I believe she would carry out this role very well and she has served diligently as vice chair so that qualifies her as the the best person for the job um from my perspective. >> Thank you. Any other discussion? Okay, we will now vote on the chairman of the board for the 2526 year. We will start with Miss
013Chong. All those in favor for Miss Chong serving as chair, please vote by signaling I. >> I. >> Those opposed. >> Nay. Name. >> That is 22. We will move on to Miss Ruddy. All those in favor as Miss Ruddy serving as the chair, please vote by signaling I. >> I. >> Those opposed. >> Nay. >> 1 13. We will move to Miss Ramirez. All those in agreement of Miss Ramirez serving as chair, please vote by saying I. I. Those opposed? Nay. >> Nay. >> Miss ready. Did you cast a vote? I'm sorry. >> Yes. I'm sorry. Name. >> Okay. I'm sorry. Thank you. That is one three without having a majority. We would need to vote again. We still have the same candidates. um Miss Chong, Miss Ruddy, and Miss Ramirez, unless someone would
014like to um come out of the the race for this position. Okay. If not, we will have a revote for um we will start with Miss Chong again. All those in favor for Miss Chong, please signal by a vote of I. I. >> Those opposed, nay. Nay. >> That is 22. We will move on to Miss Ruddy. All those um in favor of Miss Ruddy, please vote by a signal of I. >> I. >> Opposed. >> Nay. >> That is one three. We will move to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor for Mr. Ramirez, please um signal by saying I. >> I. Those opposed? >> Nay. >> That is one three. We will give the board a moment and then we will vote again. >> Can we add any comments or >> absolutely we can
015add comments? >> Um, you know, I know next year we may have an entirely uh different board and I would love to be supportive of one of you next time around. Um, but I do hope that you'll give me this opportunity being it's uh my fourth year. I'd like to to finish out with this opportunity. >> May I ask a question? Um so if you have this opportunity do you feel that you will be able to go to trainings like the chairmanship training and you know participate to bring that back to us as a chair. >> I've already um prepared for that. Keep in mind that that Christy Chong has been in office for three years and she's been the vice chair for the last two, right? So, I mean Oh, no. Yeah. Yeah. So,
016she she's already been prepared for it. She is the the one that is most qualified for it and that's why I nominated her for it. >> And I I do not disagree. I think Miss Chong would be wonderful. just I just am asking because you know as a new school board member one year in and it's been a wonderful year great experience the opportunities that I have been provided for the training to become the best school board member for this district I took every opportunity and attended and I'm just hoping you know I'd like to see the same for our chair if we're going to have a chair I would love to have that chair take the same opportunity and sacrifice as much as everyone does. And you know, I know you will be wonderful.
017We're all great because we wouldn't be in this role, but that's why I'm asking. >> Mr. Ramirez, I I've attended FSPA trainings throughout the years. I may not be able to make every single one of them, but I have attended. >> And Mr. Mayers, mind you, you you just you're in your first this is your first year. Yes. >> And and and I I I do believe it's important to to question um the the next the next leader of that will chair the board. But Miss Strong again has been here three years and she has been to a lot of SBA trainings. We don't always go back and repeat them because we as we did in our first year, those were very valuable trainings, but we we received the training. Now, of course, we received
018a lot of legislative updates, all those things along the line, and I commend you for the dedication that you have to your elected role and the amount of t um education and and um uh >> you as well. >> Yeah. And so, um and I know that that uh as Miss M. Strong said that, you know, there's a time for everybody and she's in her last year here and and you still have another three years on this board to grow as well. Um, and and and one day uh achieve the the the chair seat if if if you if the board agrees. Um, so I'm just saying to take that in into consideration. And I I I definitely think that it's clear that that um Mash has the experience and has invested in her in
019her seat as well just as as you have >> Miss Moore if I may. >> So just to clarify, I highlighted essentially what were strategic outcomes that I had a direct hand in uh developing and coming to fruition within my first year. The role of your the chairman role at the school board is not a leadership position. It is a facilitator to facilitate meetings and extract the best from the board. We are under some very rigorous difficult decisions with schools of hope uh being recently passed and we need to think strategically. We need to think deeply and we need to uh be creative in that problem solving. All of those elements are items that I've highlighted. Being the chair is not a an attendance recognition or a tenure recognition. It should be the uh the
020the member who can help us navigate uh these waters that we're about to approach. That's not to discount the heavy involvement of anybody here in the board, but I think it's clear uh that we need a strategic mind and I have more than exemplified that in my first year of office. Any other discussion? If not, we will resume to the vote. Um, we will now vote again for chairman of the board for the 2526 year. We will start with Miss Chong. All those in favor for Miss Chong serving as chair, please vote by signaling I. I. >> Those opposed. Nay. We will then go to Miss Ready. All those for Miss Ready serving as chair signal by I >> I >> opposed. >> Nay. >> That is one three. I'm sorry. The first one was
02131. Um the uh second one is 13 for Miss Ruddy. Um we will then go to Miss Ramirez. All those for Miss Ramirez serving as the chair for the board, please signal by saying I >> I >> and opposed. >> Nay. >> With a 3-1 vote, Miss Chong will serve as the chair of the board for the 2526 year. We will now accept nominations for vice chairman of the board for the coming year. The floor is now open for nominations. >> I will nominate uh Mr. Furry. >> We have Mr. Furry has been nominated for the vice chair of the board for the 2526 year. Are there any other nominations? >> I nominate myself um per the previous talking points that I've outlined. >> Okay. Thank you. Are there We have Miss Ruddy uh nominated
022as vice chair of the board for the 2526 year. Are there any other nominations? I'd like to nominate myself for vice chair, please. >> Thank you. We have Miss Ramirez for chair, a vice chair for the 2526 year. Any other nominations? Okay. Uh any discussion? Excellent. We will move on to the vote. We have Mr. Furry nominated as vice chair of the board for the 2526 year. All those in favor, please signal by I. >> I. >> Oppose. >> Nay. Nay. >> We have Miss Ready that has been nominated as the vice chair. All those in favor, please signal I. >> I. >> Opposed. >> Nay. We have Miss Ramirez that has been nominated for vice chair. All those in favor? >> I >> opposed. >> Nay. >> All right. We will do the same
023thing again. We will give you just a moment and then we will vote again. >> Miss Moore, I'm sorry. I was I for Miss Ramirez. >> I'm so sorry. Okay. So with that, let's do that vote again so that I make sure I capture it uh correctly. For Miss Mir, >> we previously voted twice, so that's what we're allowed to do. >> Correct. Miss Ramirez, um it was two eyes, two nazs. >> Okay. So Miss, we will go back to Mr. Furry. All those for Mr. Furry serving as vice chair. Uh, please signal with I >> I >> opposed. >> Nay. >> Miss Ruddy. All those for Miss Ruddy serving as vice chair. Signal by I. >> I. >> Opposed. >> Nay. >> Miss Ramirez. All those for Miss Ramirez, please signal by I. >>
024I. >> Opposed. No. >> Um, nay. I will that according to their policy, they may select a vice chair. Um, we will we can continue in the role of seeking a vice chair for this position. Okay, >> that that's what I recommend. >> Okay, perfect. We will have a third vote. We have Mr. Furry, Miss Ruddy, and Miss Ramirez who remain candidates for the position of vice chair. We will start with Mr. Furry. All those for Mr. Furry serving as vice chair, please signal with I. >> I. >> May I make one additional comment for consideration to this board? Um, I had not previously made a a motion regarding this, but one item that I did have some concern around is the um perhaps the communication that Mr. Furry undertook after our executive meeting, interviewed
025on a local news station, released information that I felt was out of bounds to our executive meeting, and um his interest in running uh or other pursuits may be conflicting with maybe some of those judgments that would be uh more in line with the guidance of how a school board member is supposed to control information and I would hope that the school board would consider that information before this vote. >> Okay, I'm going to respond to that because first of all that is is not accurate. Um those talking points in that article were uh pre-approved by our district office. Um I have it in writing and >> it wasn't an article. It was the news um interview. >> It right. It was but the they were you also commented in a observer article the day
026before which prompted the additional um inquiries by the media. And so I just want you to know I was called on by by the media because it was already spoke about in the media and that is the fact >> I would like to counter that. There's a fact that there was an email sent to every single board member inviting them to an interview on the news station. Um and after that um I had not responded. The only response I made was to the observer in which I specifically outlined that I was not to share information and spoke in general on topics that were already known uh regarding the public statements at the previous board meeting. >> Thank you board. I do bring the comments just back to the chair at the time. Um, >> with
027with all due respect, Superintendent Moore, I a charge has been levied against me, which is inaccurate and >> and what I ask is that you guys give me an opportunity to facilitate the meeting and so please just before responding, please get um acknowledgement from the chair, okay? So that we can make sure that this is not a back and forth. So Miss Ruddy has finished her comment. Mr. Furry absolutely given an opportunity to respond to that. So the I if the article that in question that uh Miss Ready commented in the if you if you listen to the the interview that I did I is exactly the same information that was brought that was given to the observer by the district directly. I responded to that inquiry because I am the chairman of the board
028at the time and that is my duty to respond to the media and that is why I did. other board members could have uh as well in their own capacity if they felt that it was necessary. But it is my duty as chairman to respond to media inquiries. And there was nothing revealed there that was sensitive uh that that gave away any use of what our security policies would be and most and it was all already spoke out into the public. So, I was only responding to information that was already disseminated by the district and at our at our meetings. So, >> Mr. Can I have the floor, please? >> Yes, Miss RmIrez. Um, I just think that we should just move on. This conversation I don't think needs to go on any further unless
029our attorney feels it's something that needs to go on or our current chair at the moment. And I think, you know, we can talk about this probably another time, another meeting, close session meeting perhaps. And that's all I have to say. Thank you. >> Any other discussion about the office of vice chair. Okay, we will move to a vote. >> Sorry. Um, yeah, again, you know, Mr. Furry again, this is his fourth year. He has uh decided not to run again. Um he's very strong in this position. He's led as chair for two years. Um so I'd like to support him again or support him as the vice chair. Um and again I you know I would love to support one of you again um next year. Thanks. >> We will move on to the
030vote. All those in favor for Mr. Furry uh serving as the vice chair, please signal by I. I >> opposed. >> Nay. >> Those uh all in favor for Miss Ruddy serving as the chair, please signal by I. All opposed? >> Nay. >> Miss Ready, did you submit a vote? >> I'm going to abstain. >> Okay. Thank you. Um I actually madam chair um short of a conflict of interest my recommendation is that each board member should vote >> nay. >> Okay that is 0 four. All those in favor for Miss Ramirez to serve as the vice chairman please um signal by I >> I. Those opposed? >> Nay. >> Okay. Unless there is a a um change in vote, I do think we lean on the fact that this board may select a vice
031chair and move forward with the selection of a chair. Well, >> chair chair has been >> already been decided. >> So, >> unless someone's going to vote differently, we have a vice chair named at this time. >> We do not have >> We have a We have a chair named at this time. Um, please pardon my correction. We have a chair named at this time. We do not have a vice chair. We can definitely vote again. >> All right. Well, here here's what I'll say is that I've served I'm honored to have served as the chairman of the board for the last two years. And the duties of the vice chair are to step in when the the the chair cannot be present or carry out its duties. And it is it it by experience
032and tenure. I am the most qualified to do exactly that, to step in when the chair may not be able to to carry out uh its duties. So, I'm I'm asking the board to uh reconsider your vote so we could conclude this tonight uh as as um considering me for the vice chair role. We will move forward with the vote. All those in favor of Mr. Furry serving as the vice chair, please signal by I. >> I >> opposed. >> Nay. All those for Miss Ruddy serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> You can remove my name. >> Okay. Thank you. So, we will >> hope that I'm showing um that you know voting is more than a football team and choosing colors. >> So, we will um remove Miss Ruddy's nomination. We
033have um Miss Ramirez. All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I >> opposed. >> Nay. We will go into our fifth vote. We have remaining Mr. Furry and Miss Ramirez as nominations for vice chair. All those in favor for Mr. Furry, please signal by I. >> I. >> And those opposed? >> Nay. >> All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal by I. I >> opposed. >> Nay. >> And it's fine. I'll take away my nomination. Um, if that's you know I thought I mean is there a specific reason I guess maybe discussion if we can do this for chair furry that you want to continue and perhaps give an opportunity for another board member so we can continue growing and
034getting stronger and learning more. I think that might be something. So perhaps myself or Miss Ready an opportunity in our second year. It's only a four-year term. I think it would be something to think about and to continue on and we're hopefully we have a new a new person soon. I was hoping it would be tonight, but apparently not. uh an appointment, but I think you know sharing the leadership because it is to me it is a leadership role but it's also like you said running the show when something happens if someone is sick or there's an emergency and I know for a fact I know for a fact I'm fully capable of that and I know all of us are fully capable of that but I mean would you be willing to give someone
035another opportunity? I mean, you're it's your last year. You're pursuing other things, but you're you're finishing strong. And >> I'm still on the board, though. And and um and I and I was nominated. I was nominated by one of my colleagues, and I'm honored to to to accept that uh nomination. And it's about it's about experience, Mr. Ramirez. I believe you will you will build the experience to to hold this position at some point in the future. But I don't feel that it is right now is the time. Right now I am the most qualified person to step in for the chair when their duties cannot uh be carried out. And that is why I am going to to um I'm not going to vote against myself. >> Uh Chair Moore, may I have the
036floor, please? >> Absolutely. Um I do not think being a vice chair is about experience to be honest is a great role and they will run the show when needed. It is a leadership role but experience of being a vice chair or a chair will not make someone a good vice chair in my opinion. Um so I I hear you. I I hear you and I thank you. Um it but I I feel you may be thinking that this role is a little bit different. Um I'm thinking of our district. We've grown really strong and I think perhaps an opportunity for someone else to take that position to grow stronger and to continue growing our board and then soon have another appointment. >> It's not about just giving somebody another turn. That's not what this
037is about. I mean, this is about running our business meetings. I It's about um helping lead the agenda. Um and that it's an important role. It is not a ceremonial role. It is something that's very important. And I believe that in time that you could fill that role. I do not believe that now is the time. I think that if this if this board had foresight, one of the things to think about is continuity and succession, which is what any good leader of an organization does, right? It should be selfless. And so if the vice chair role is uh preparing to eventually take the helm as the chair in which case you the both of you have just modeled this evening then it would only be correct in the uh choice to put somebody new
038in there whose term is not yet up or who is not at risk under another reelection. Um, and we sit with two brand new people as chair and vice chair. >> Okay. So, my term is not up. I still have another year on my term of, my four-year term. I was elected in 22. So, my term is not up. Um, and the I was nominated. I was nominated by one of my colleagues. So, I'm I'm honored to to receive the nomination. I didn't nominate myself. I was nominated by my colleague and so therefore uh I I I'm I'm not going to uh withdraw that and so um we can we can keep voting here. You know, unfortunately folks, this is when when we have a a a board that is only four, these are some
039of the things that can happen. Um, you know, it's it's designed to be a five member board and um, but it's clear we don't have that fifth vote here to break a tie. So, we're just going to work through this here until we, you know, uh, elect a a vice chair. So, >> Miss Chung, would you consider revoking your nomination um in consideration of helping to groom a newer board member so that we can have continuity over what is inevitably going to be change in the next um two to three years. >> I'm not going to revoke my nomination, but as I stated before, you know, Mr. Ramirez, I know you have another three years and I think you're doing an awesome job and like I said, I would love to be supportive of you
040in the future. Um, but I' I'd like to keep my vote at this time for Mr. Furry. >> Okay, we will move to vote. Right now, we have Mr. Furry and Miss Ramirez considered for the vice chair position. We will start with Mr. Furry. All those in favor of Mr. Furry serving as the vice chair, please vote by I. >> I. >> Those opposed? >> Nay. Nay. >> All those for Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal by I. I. >> I. Those opposed? >> Nay. >> Uh, nay. We will vote again. We will start with Mr. Furry and then move to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor for Mr. Furry serving as the vice chair. Please signal by I >> I. >> Those opposed >> nay. >> We will move to Miss Ramirez.
041All those who support Miss Ramirez serving as chair, please signal by I. >> I. >> And those opposed? >> Nay. Is there anyone willing to just say you know what uh my mind >> do we want to have discussion or we can >> I mean we're not getting >> absolutely >> um chair Moore may I have the floor >> thank you yes >> thank you um so I guess and chair furry or not chair yet right now But I guess the point I was trying to make is this is your last year as a school board member and we are going to have a new member appointed and then next year potentially two new ones potentially not you know you know so I just feel that it makes sense You know, you work so hard
042as meaning as an elected official, we work so hard to learn and to be here to sacrifice from our family, friends, work, everything for this role. And it's something all of us enjoy and we want to do it because otherwise we wouldn't be here. And I guess my point is you you practice something and then you you go on. This is going in like at least for myself my second year going in. And I mean I I'm just wondering I'm just curious. Is this something that you you're looking to do longer or are you interested I mean are you looking to have other people grow in leadership? I'm just and I'm just this is just discussion because if we're not you know we're here just to talk and see but because you were nominated and
043which is a great nomination. I'm just >> so so again I am still elected. I'm still on office. However long I'm in office has nothing to the the remainder of my term has nothing to do with it. I am I am a duly elected official. I am on this board. Uh there is no changes happening after this vote here other than we will have a new chair and a new vice chair. We move on. I was nominated. You nominated yourself. I'm honored to receive the nomination and I am the most qualified to fill the role. >> And I nominated myself because I believe in myself and I know I'll do a great job. So, and I'm glad you were nominated and you will do a great job as well and you've done a fantastic job
044as chair and I think nominating myself just means that I believe in myself and I know I can do the job and I know I will. So, that has nothing to do with >> and there's no shame in that. I'm just saying you you I was nominated by one of my colleagues and I'm honored to to have received that. And so uh and and again I believe I received that nomination because I am the most qualified person to fill the role. >> I think we may be taking this like a little too serious. Um and again just Mr. Ramirez, you have still three more years and I think you'll you'll be a great leader in the future. Um but I'd like to give Mr. Furry the opportunity just to serve out uh the remainder of
045his term as vice chair. It just doesn't make sense. People don't step down into a second tier position after they hit the top. You would cultivate and work to help grow the next set of chairs or leaders in any organization. And so I again would beg you to think beyond your yourself. You've set your tenure here. We're not saying that it means you're out to pasture. You're an active board member. What we're saying is we're putting the board's health and readiness ahead of our own individual interests. And that is what I ask of you. >> Well, that is your opinion. And in fact, it's not a it's not a a step down. It is a it is a role that needs to be filled. And that is is is exactly what it is. Um, so
046again, I I I have I really have nothing more to say about it. Uh, >> okay. >> Yeah, >> that's fine. Um, well, thank you. You will do a fantastic job. So, I remove my name. Um, I mean, unless you feel this is something that you think that this is what you really truly want to do and not give someone else the opportunity for this role. So, But you're putting words in my mouth. I I have not given that sentiment at all. I just said that I I don't feel that the time is right for you right now to take this position and I and I'll leave it there. I I've already said that several times. Uh and I I don't really know how how else to to frame it. So >> I think that's
047what we're trying to argue here that that that is not a compelling reason. If we evaluate the reasoning for the pro-choice of Miss Ramirez, those were compelling logistical reasons. >> So, >> uh, the all the only other reasons I hear is just it's it's to give somebody else another turn. And that's not what these >> argued that it's not about tenure or time. It's about helping to make sure we do not have gaps in skill or experience for the the next phase of this board. >> And so we have two people here who um need support in grooming to that particular level. But if it's just going to flip-flop between the two of you, then it's not readying us for uh your eventual departure. And then so the next time we for sure will have
048somebody who's brand new in the vice chair or uh if it were if Miss Chun serves uh for the remainder of her term and she loses her election then we have two new people. Th those things don't make sense. >> Okay board we will bring it back to me and back to a vote. We have Mr. Furry. Miss RmIrez you do want to continue? >> I I'll continue. Thank you, >> Miss Fur. We have Mr. Furry. Um, that has been nominated for vice chair. All those in favor for Mr. Furry, please signal by I. >> I. >> Those opposed? >> Nay. >> Miss Ramirez. We have Mr. Ramirez nominated for vice chairs. All those in favor for Miss Ramirez, please signal by I. >> I. I. >> Those opposed? >> Nay. Next. Yes, sir. I
049don't know if we shall call a recess for a moment or how >> we should proceed. We're going into number nine. Sure, that's certainly an option available to the you as the chair of this meeting. So, uh that might be useful for uh the board members to consider their options for a few minutes while we take a recess. >> Five minute recess. our meeting back to order. At 6:58, we will continue with the election of a vice chairman of the board for 2025 2026. Currently, we have Mr. Furry and Miss Ramirez who are both um up for consideration as vice chair confirming that both individuals want to continue to move forward with the election. Excellent. We will go into a vote. If there are no there is no discussion, we will go into a vote.
050We will start with Mr. Furry. All those in favor of Mr. Furry being the vice chair, please signal with I. >> I. >> Those opposed? >> Nay. >> Miss Ramirez, did you render a vote? I'm sorry, I did not. >> Nay. >> Thank you. Uh, we will now move to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as the vice chair, please signal by I. >> I. And those opposed? >> Nay. >> Direction. >> Sure. Um, my recommendation would be that the board find the ability to select a vice chair tonight. Um, that is not absolutely required for the board to be able to address the rest of the items on the agenda for this evening. My worry for the board is that if the chair was unable to attend a meeting, the
051first order of business at that meeting would be for the three remaining board members to select a chair um before they got to the business uh at that future meeting. And um the board would be in a stronger position if they didn't have to resolve that issue because they had worked out a compromise tonight to find a vice chair. Mr. Mirz, would you be willing to withdraw and try again for next year? >> I feel that this is the great time to have succession in this board. If are we doing discussion now? I'm just >> absolutely you may. >> Okay. So being a board member in any capacity of or any team, baseball, football, cheerleading, band, ROC, the point is you're not going to learn if you don't try. So we're here for a reason
052in general for anything. So it to me and and I came into this thinking that to me made sense. So and I I appreciate that you nominated Mr. Furry and I and it's a great nomination because obviously you've been here longer timewise, right? But the whole point of having any type of team, and we are a team, is to continue to grow. Just like students when they're in class, they're supposed to get better. And if they don't get better, what is the point? Even one point on a fast test means the difference of passing and going to another grade. So I really feel like this is the right choice and the opportunity for a different person. It I mean it doesn't have to be me and I wish we had five people. I know that's
053not, you know, it is what it is and we will have five eventually, but I really think that the whole point of having a board of any type and having a chair and a vice chair is to allow everyone the opportunity for that role and for succession. It we have to have the succession. We're we're going to be we're going to have new people in. And that's why I have I came in this role. I didn't sacrifice the sleep, the time, the the family time to campaign. I mean like all of us did. That was the hardest thing. And then now the job is here and it is a lot but we are here for a reason and I'm trying to learn and this will help me learn and you know I've been attending the
054trainings. I I also signed up for the chairmanship because you don't even have to be a chair to take that and I would have taken it last year but I had to take the new school board training. So I'll continue to take the chairmanship in this December, next December, and the December after because we have those tools for us in front of us. So I'm trying to take advantage of it. And so I think I mean I would hope everyone would have taken that already, you know, and I'm glad you're signed up for it now. I I wish it would have been nice if you took taken it already, but I'm really glad that you're in it now for December. And I I know you're going to learn a lot. And you know, I know
055Mr. Bur took it last year and you know I think really it's just learning and going on. So >> I I'm done now. Thank you. >> I didn't take it. I was nominated and voted in. I and both times I was nominated for the position. Okay. So this is not something that's just handed down um like it's a family heirloom. Um and and I I will point out that yes, we do we are we all have one common goal here, but we are all individually duly elected to in an individual district. Although we do serve at large for the entire uh county, we are we are it is our duty to vote independently on all matters including board chair and vice chair along with every other policy. And that's what we're doing here tonight. And
056so like I said, you you said like you said in your last statements that you know this is your first year. You've been learning. you've done a lot of investment and time there and I believe you're going to put even more of that into practice in your second year of your term. Um, and I and I would en encourage you to continue to do that. Um, you know, we've we've both been there, done that, and I think it's wonderful that you that you you worked hard and you got elected and that's what your role you're serving in. the chairmanship is not uh is is one that's elected by by the peers of the board, not by the general electorate. Um so that's what we're doing here tonight. But as you have you I agree you
057have served diligently. You're at every meeting. You get you contribute. Uh I I I have nothing negative to say about your involvement in your role as schoolboard member. Um but there's there's a time for everybody and your time will come at some point during your four-year term of which you're in the first year of the vice chair role. I mean as you all know it's it's not a huge role but to step in if if the chair is not there um and but if for some reason I am not there you know Mr. Furry he is the one um who is knowledgeable about this role so um he can easily handle that if he needs to. >> I I think all of those arguments actually underscore what Miss Ramirez and I are trying to say.
058So I think that the the term was this is not something handed down like an heirloom but in the same token you're saying your time will come. So she you know has taken um the courses. Um, I I I wonder what I guess what was the readiness and preparation involved prior to your first uh role as a chair and what what how did you prepare and what would you recommend different uh for Miss Ramirez and you know Miss Chong you stated that well this role isn't a big deal but then on the flip side are saying that he's the only one qualified. That seems antithesis to each other. >> Well, what I would say is that the board at the time that I was elected to chair evaluated all all of my abilities and they
059came to a conclusion that I was best suited to do it. That's why I was voted in. So, it's not a matter uh each board member has to evaluate that individually. It's not a a a group thought on what that looks like to each board member that is unique to their own evaluation. and the the vice chair is I don't believe that that um that well I won't speak on beh in uh Mong's mouth but when the vice chair is is an important role there it's it's not um very active unless unless the the chair is out that is correct um but when that happens you need the most qualified person to to to step into that position. Um because you have to think beyond even something bigger than just missing a meeting. Okay? It's
060it's a it's a it's a very significant role. Uh just like a uh a a a why we have a vice president and a president. We have somebody that would step into the role if something happened to that person. So it it is a it is an important role to be filled in in in in a extreme circumstance let alone one just for a a uh the chair being sick or being absent from us because of scheduling reasons. >> Thank you board. The very structure of our board is that we could have essentially a revolving door of team members up here uh where there is a maximum tenure. So I don't think that it's beyond the capacity of any individual to get up to speed especially in a vice chair role. And again, I would
061encourage that we think about our not ourselves, but the ability of the board to function smoothly in a continuum. Um, and that's the wisdom in half of us having election years different from the other half of us. >> But elections, those elections are irrelevant here. We're talking about the here and now. our individual elections to our district seats are comp that that's not >> I understand the bread a time please >> the logic of the the taking turns right in the cycle of who is here beyond uh you know over the course of time >> staggered elections yeah absolutely so I mean I >> if there's not anything additional we'll bring it back to um a vote we have Mr. Mr. Furry. Um for vice chair. Um all those in favor for Mr. Furry, please
062signal by I. >> I. >> Those opposed? >> Nay. >> We have Miss Ramirez. All those in favor for Miss Ramirez, please signal by I. >> I. >> Those opposed? >> Nay. It is my recommendation that this item um be tabled um and brought back at a future board me board meeting and that we move forward with the remaining agenda with um the position of chairman. >> Um I I have some concern about that. What what I what I would like what I would like to see is that we can we we we continue the the um we can recess this reorganization, finish the board meeting and then afterwards move this uh re the re reorganization to the end of the uh agenda for tonight and complete the um the vice chair vote tonight because
063I agree with Mr. Delaney's recommendation earlier, that is what the best outcome would be. Um, you know, it's clear this is a little bit more of a challenge because we we we don't have a fifth vote here to break the tie, but that doesn't mean that we c we still have to function as a board irregardless of how many members that we have and we have to get the bit the board's business done. We can't kick it down the road. Um, so, Attorney Delaney, is is can is that an acceptable um process by state statute? >> Um, policy? >> Certainly. I mean, there Robert the board policies rely on Robert's rules. You've also got policies that are not permissive, but but mandate that there will be a chair and a vice chair selected. So, you're
064somewhat at loggerheads on this. Um, my recommendation because there doesn't seem to be ability for the board to resolve this at this time would be to go with what the superintendent said, table it for now. Uh, there could be an opportunity to request to remove it from the table. Um, at the end of the meeting, it would also automatically revolve to the next meeting as unfinished business. That would automatically be taken up on the agenda. But if we went >> if it was removed from the t if it was removed from the table at the end of the meeting, then we would pick it up there and continue the vote. >> Correct. >> I I' I'd recommend we do that or if if if it does get picked up off the table so that we
065can have the business meeting done and we have a lot of people here in the chamber uh as well as part of tonight's meeting. So, I don't want to hold them up any longer. >> Can I ask a question? I I feel like there was a situation in the past where we included the superintendent on a vote. Is that a possibility? No. No. No. >> Not for this issue. So to just so everyone's clear, to um remove something from the table would require a second and then a majority vote to take that up later in this meeting. >> Gotcha. >> And Miss Moore, can I have the floor? Are we still discussing or are we moving on? >> At this time we are we have it on the table. Do we need to move forward
066with a a vote on that item being tabled >> to Yes. to table a motion? >> Um Mr. Ramirez, um we are going to move forward with this item being on the uh uh motion for it to be um placed on the table. Um again, it can be brought back later in this meeting. I do want to acknowledge that um if it is brought back at later this meeting or another meeting. Um but at this time we will be excu ex um excusing judge Totten after the swearing and of the chair so that we can be respectful of her time and she doesn't have to stay here for the entire business meeting to see if it is brought back from the table. >> And so can I clarify something uh chairmore? Um, so are we
067saying it will be tabled? Is that so? And we all understand when you table something if it doesn't get voted on it's it dies. So like how does that work? If it doesn't happen for the next meeting. So it has to happen at at the next meeting. I >> I would recommend that it be on the agenda at every future meeting until this gets resolved. >> So would that be at the next business meeting, the 6 next 6 p.m. meeting? So this would be out in December. >> Uh it could be then. Um the chair working with the superintendent draws up the agenda. Um so um >> from my understanding tableabling though it has it has to absolutely be voted on at the next meeting. Is that is it anything different? Because if it doesn't
068happen at the next >> If it is not brought off the table today, it will be on the next meeting which is December 16th. Yeah, I think that that would be unfortunate to have to carry it all the way out another month to to uh to have the the vice chair I I really encourage that we resolve this tonight. So, um but if if we do table it and we bring it back, it will take a a a vote, a motion and a second and a majority vote to bring it back tonight. So, it will it will take three votes to bring it back from the table tonight if we want to solve this tonight. So, uh if that doesn't happen, then it's going to get it's it's automatically going to roll forward to another
069to another meeting. So, >> do we need to um I guess we need to motion. Okay. >> Um I will motion to table um the vote on the vice chair till the next meeting. >> I second. We have a motion by Miss Chong and a second by Miss Ruddy. Any additional discussion? >> I have a discussion. Um, I just want everyone to consider the board and the community and the district and what's best for them for for anything that moves on and goes forward. So, thank you. >> Thank you. We will move forward with the vote. All those in favor signal by I. >> I. >> Those opposed. It moves forward unanimously. All right. We will um invite Judge Totten to come forward as well as um uh Chairman elect Miss Chong. congratulations, Miss Chum.
070And you've already got your uh right hand up. Repeat after me. I do solemnly swear or affirm >> I do solemnly swear or affirm >> that I will support, protect and defend >> the Constitution >> and the government >> of the United States >> and of the State of Florida. that I am dy qualified >> that I am dy qualified >> to hold office >> under the constitution >> of the state >> and that I will well and faithfully >> perform the duties >> perform the the duties >> of school board member >> on which I am now about to enter. >> So help me God. Congratulations. Congratulations, Madam Chair. I'll pass the G to you. Congratulations to new chairwoman, Miss Chong. Thank you to Judge Totten for being here. We appreciate you and all
071that you do for Flaggler County and Flaggler schools. That completes item 2.03, 03 the selection of a chairman um as the customary of the dis next to the um superintendent sits the chairman of the board then we will sit in order by districts. So if we could then adjust by districts is how we uh traditionally si uh sit on the board. >> So we've got I'm two what? Which district? >> Five. >> You're five. So, you're good. >> Okay. Yeah, we're good. >> Excellent. >> All right. Um, the next item for the organization of the board is to approve the faximile plates. Um, at the time of swearing in, um, Judge Totten did have our Nope. We will have our chair to, um, sign the fact assembly plates at this time. The as she is
072signing that, the next item in the organization of the board is to establish dates and times for the schedule of the board action meetings for um the ensuing year in accordance with B schoolboard policy 0151. for you. You do have a list of recommended uh board pol uh board me dates to follow the second and fourth Tuesday of the month as is what the current cadence of the board meetings are. We will give you a moment to review those dates and then we will open up for discussion and a vote. What is the first day of school in 2026 for teachers? >> Thank you. Let me pull that Just trying to make sure that it's not difficult for your staff, you know, if it's >> that that date in August looks pretty close. >> Yes.
073Let me tell you >> the um so we can the date in August. Let me see. I'm sorry. >> Yes. >> We that date does not conflict with the beginning of the school year. >> Perfect. I had a question >> and remembering that we we can start no sooner than August 10th. That is um the soonest we can start a school year. >> So Tuesday, April 21st, we have an information workshop and regular meeting tenative on here, but should that be should it be April 28th since we're doing the second and fourth Tuesday? So that was the only thing that I noted was Tuesday, April 21st, unless there was a holiday. I I didn't They look concurrent. >> Yes, we have spring break. That is in there. Let me tell you. >> It's Tuesday, April
07421st. It's not >> No, it's not spring break. Spring break >> for the 4th Tuesday. So, I think I don't know if that was a mistake or if there was a reason that it was put on that day. Should it be actually April 28th? Let's look. We will make that adjustment. >> Okay. So, that would Okay. There was uh I also see a special meeting on September 11th at 9:00 a.m. Typically, we have the memorial uh activities. Uh perhaps that needs to be adjust adjusted. >> That will be adjusted for the AFR. I don't know if Patty Warmick is here. I know that is a strict timeline. So, >> we'll allow her to come forward. >> And the only other thing I don't know if I know these dates aren't on here, but when we
075have scheduled, uh, special meetings, uh, bargaining, um, anything specific like that. Uh, I know we typically, it's not on a day our attorney is there. So, that would just be my recommendation. I know we can't, we don't know those. Oh, I do see a special special meeting. So, >> so any of the ones I'd like to see if the attorney I know he can only attend certain days, but just going through one full year and obviously talking with other districts. I feel it would be important to have him physically present for any special meetings, bargaining meetings and also um shade meetings or you know anything like that physically in person and not online. If we can see if that can happen. Okay, we will do a a better job of coordinating that. >> And it's
076usually Tuesdays are the challenge on that. So if if the board was available to meet for some of those special meetings on a day other than Tuesday, then I don't have an issue. So >> and and I know sometimes we get those invites or you know automatically. So perhaps we can just make sure it's not a Tuesday, I guess, for um the special meetings if if everyone would agree. I don't know. That's just my opinion on the dates for those specific meetings. >> We definitely will um do a better job of making sure we can coordinate that as much as possible. Miss Warmarmac, will you address the AFR? >> Yes, thank you. Uh, Superintendent Moore, if the meeting cannot happen the morning of September 11th, it needs to be some time on Thursday, September 10th.
077I try to make these meetings for the AFR and the trim on a Tuesday. However, that is not possible due to the timing of the calendar. It is way too early to get that project completed. >> Totally understand. >> So, we will make the adjustment for Thursday, September 10th for the AFR as the tentative date. Either that or instead of 9:00 am, it's later in the afternoon because the stair climb is in the morning. >> Absolutely. >> And the only concern with that is everything is due on the 11th. So if it's later in the day, it's going to be a push to get everything fully submitted. We will make the adjustment for the 10th. >> And just for um clarification, we do need a quorum on that meeting. So we need at least three
078board members if it's on the 10th. >> Okay, >> one moment. I wasn't expecting that date. Let me just verify. um September 10th of Did is everyone okay on that date >> okay thank you >> thank you >> okay if there are no other adjustments that need to um be made I will call for a motion to approve the board meeting dates and times as a amended um before you. >> Move to approve. >> Moved by Miss Ruddy. We need a second. >> Second. >> We have a second by Miss Ramirez. All those in favor, please signify by saying I. >> I. >> Those opposed. It's unanimous. That completes items 2.05 5. We will move to item 2.06, which is the establishment of board leaison um before you are um a list of all of
079our board liaison um items. We will go through these um as quickly as possible. We have Beltier Elementary School. We had Miss Ramirez. Is that would do you wish to remain? Um, I wish to remain if if unless anyone >> Okay. Bananell Elementary School, we have Miss Chong. >> I would like to keep that. >> Okay. Oh, Kings Elementary School. >> Yeah, I can stay with that. >> Excellent. Renfire Elementary School. >> Since that's open, I volunteered to take that on position. >> All right. We have Miss Ruddy there. Uh, Wadssworth, >> I'm happy to keep that. >> Excellent. Buddy Taylor, >> I'd love to keep that. >> Excellent. Indian Trails, >> I'll keep that. >> Excellent. Black Palm Coast High School, >> I'd like to retain that as well. >> Excellent. Matanzis High School,
080>> um, I'll keep that. >> Excellent. Flag Technical College. >> I'd love to continue to work with that group. >> Excellent. I Flaggler with RI and rise up. >> I'm happy to keep that. >> All right, Miss Chong, you will remain there. Legislative Liaison Committee. Yeah, I'd like to stay on that. >> Okay. >> I'd like to join as the backup. I believe we have two people on that. >> So, it will be Mr. Furry and Miss Ruddy. Flaggler County Education Foundation. >> So, that that would be for the chair. So, that would be Mr. >> Yes. I'm sorry. Thank you. That will be Miss Chong. Chamber of Commerce. >> That is also for Miss Chong as well for the chair. >> Flaggo County Value Adjustment Board. >> Happy to continue with that. >> Excellent.
081That's right. Flaggler Auditorium governing board. >> That will be Miss Chong as well as chair. >> Department of Juvenile Justice. >> Um, it's open. I think that was Derek Bars for Yeah, I'll take that one. >> All right, Mr. Furry. African-American mentor program. >> I'd love to stay on that. Um, I've had conversations uh with the president, but their meetings haven't been communicated. I'm uh Okay. I just want to make sure I wasn't meing anything. So, >> yes. So, I guess I'll continue will remain perfect and leave it as >> needs some growth. >> School health advisory council. >> I'm happy to keep in unless anybody else wants to just to >> All right, Miss Chong will >> you're best suited for that. >> Carver governor's board. That will be for chair Chong. >> Small
082school district council consortium. >> Um I could stay there. >> Okay. Miss Chong, do you want to keep that as well? >> Um if somebody else wants to, they can >> back up. >> I can take it if you want to. >> Mr. Ramirez. So it will be Mr. Furry and Mr. Ramirez. Uh EPAC. Um, I'll I'll keep with that unless anyone >> Excellent. Community traffic safety team. >> Um, I could take that one. >> Oversight committee. Um, we have uh Mr. Furry and Miss Ruddy. Do you want to continue to remain? And then it's open. We need another individual to take that spot. >> Happy to continue. >> I can take the third spot. >> Okay. Miss Ramirez. >> Thank you. Boys and Girls Club. Miss Chong, will you continue? >> Um, yeah, that's
083fine. >> Okay. Focus on Flaggler Youth Coalition. >> Um, yes, please. >> Okay. Um, Florida Tobacco Prevention Partnership. >> I'm happy to take that. I've attended a couple of meetings. >> Okay. Miss Ready. Flaggler Historical Society. >> Um, yeah, I'm happy to keep that. >> Excellent. Virtual teen town hall. >> Um, I'll keep that in. Thank you. >> And Okay. And then the Valuchia Flaggler Transportation Planning Organization. What is what exactly are they doing? uh the the role of that um that board or what what's the let's see said meetings on the fourth Wednesday of each month the exception of July >> and if no one is assigned we can bring that back um to uh the board again at a future meeting um Mr. Mr. Freeman is going to address your question. >> Good
084evening. U chair, Miss Moore, school board. Uh this is a new uh uh uh planning board or it's a board that we serve not as a voting member but as a uh just a member of the board. And it is for the Flaggler Valuchia transportation for any transportation needs for either Flaggler or for uh Valuchia County. >> Okay. Is this is this uh a community oversight board or input board or is it a is it the staff of the school districts? And it is it there are members of the board and then our school board and Valuchia County school board are not members of the board. They are uh like >> liaison or associate uh members. Yes, correct. >> Well, I I I can if no one wants to take it, I can take this
085one on. So, >> okay. We have Mr. Furry. Okay. We have um addressed all items on the liaison list. Um board members, we need a motion to approve the le liaison assignments. >> Move to approve. >> Second. >> We have a motion by Miss Ruddy, a second by Miss Ramirez. Any discussion? All those in favor, please signify by I. >> I. >> Oppose. Unanimous. Board. At this time, we need to select a FSBA adv advocacy committee member and alternate. Would any board members have interest in serving in these positions? >> Uh, I I would like to nominate myself for FSBA, please. If anyone else >> I don't see any attachment regarding the um meeting schedule or commitments required. Is there any additional context to that? Is it just uh virtual communication >> and Miss um
086Ramirez served on the position last year and can provide >> virtual when you attend the conference. So when we attend in summer and winter, they kind of pull you to the side and just make discussion and then there's emails and virtuals and >> so it's already the meetings that we're pretty much going to and then they are looking for focus group people. Okay, gotcha. I'm happy to serve as a alternate. Thank you. >> Okay, we have Miss uh Ramirez as the member and Miss Ruddy as the alternate. Are there any discussion? If not, we need a um motion to approve. >> Move to approve. >> Second. >> We have a motion by Miss Chong and a second by Miss Ramirez. If no discussion, we'll call for the question. All those in favor signal by I.
087>> I. >> Those opposed? Unanimous. Board. At this time, we uh would like to select a value adjustment board member. Would any board member be have interest in serving in this position? Oh, we did. I'm sorry. We did that one. >> Yes. So, we've already done that and approved that. We're going to the value adjustment business members. Um here in our audience we do have u Mr. Joseph Wright who is an owner of um many Banellbased uh businesses but the Quantum family um since 2005 and um we we that is willing to serve as the business member as well as the alternate Miss um Chelsea Bernie Herbert that is in the audience as well who um is the owner of 4C's Trucking and Escavations. It is our recommendation that we accept these business members as
088the value adjustment business member as well as the business member alternate. Um that is our recommendation. Is there um any questions? >> No, not at all. I know Quantum Electric has been really um a valuable partner in many facets and I think uh 4C's and them together would be a wonderful addition. >> Okay. Okay. If no other discussion, we will call for the vote. I'm sorry. We will call for a motion to approve. >> Move approval. >> Approval. >> We have from Mr. Furry a second. >> Second >> from Miss Ramirez. >> All those in favor? >> I >> oppose. Unanimous. We do ask them because they are here if we could give an opportunity for them to come forward for a picture because uh we don't often have this opportunity and they have been
089faithfully serving in in this role. So we will just take a brief moment for a quick picture and please bring your little ones if you would like. >> And thank you for the golf cart for Belair. There will be naming it soon. Sorry. All of our activities. Thank you very much. >> Thank you. That concludes item 2.09. We will move forward with a motion to close our reorganization meeting. Do we have a motion to close? >> Move to close. we have from Miss Auddy. And do we have a second? >> Second. >> Excellent. We will call for the question. All those in favor? >> I. >> Those opposed? >> Unanimous. Thank you. I will >> But I was wondering if if we could take just a brief recess, just a couple minutes. I wanted to
090confer with Miss Warmick on one thing before we started the cops portion of the meeting. >> Absolutely. We will take a threeminut recess. that we change the order of the agenda. We move into our um regular board meeting and that we complete the cops last on the agenda. um as we anticipate if there will be an a vote of vice chair because that individual typically serves as a vice president for the cops. So we will my recommendation is we go into our regular board meeting and we do our cops last. >> Is there a you want a motion for that? >> Yes, please. So, um, move approval to move cops to the end of today's agenda. >> Second. >> Any discussion? >> If no discussion, all those in favor? >> I >> oppose. It moves
091forward unanimous. I would like to say congratulations and I will turn the rest of this portion of the meeting over to our new chair, Miss Chong. >> Thank you. Thank you board for your confidence in me. Um any other additions or changes to this agenda? >> We do not have any. >> Okay. All right. Seeing there are no um uh changes, we will move on to uh 5.01. I'll move approval for the uh to move forward with tonight's agenda. >> Second >> call for the question. >> Um okay. Uh I'm sorry y'all. >> Okay. >> Can we all please >> that was that was my my fault. Is that they we are asking for the acceptance of the agenda for the regular board meeting. >> Okay. We'll call the vote. I >> I >> Okay,
092so we will move on to 4.01. >> Miss Moore, do you have any spotlights tonight? >> We do have a great spotlight. We will um first start with the superintendent spotlight, which is the Sunshine State Scholar. Before you we have Miss Heidi Alves and Miss Sarah Lombardo that will bring forward our Sunshine State Scholars Scholar and alternate. >> Good evening school board chair, school board members, superintendent Moore. We are here to share a little information about a wonderful program that we showcase every year, the Sunshine State Scholar. Every year we identify a scholar and an alternate who excel in science, technology, engineering, and mathematics with hopes to pursue a STEM career after high school. These high school juniors must meet several criteria. They must have expressed interest in a STEM related field after high school.
093They must have a weighted GPA of 3.9 or higher. and they must be on track to receive the Florida Bright Futures Scholarship. The Sunshine State Scholars event will occur on March 5th and 6th, 2026 in Orlando, Florida. The Commissioner of Education, the Senior Chancellor, and representatives from Florida's colleges and universities will be at the event to discuss higher education opportunities available to them in Florida. There will be workshops for students and parents related to college applications and funding. This year we had two very worthy applicants who went above and beyond the criteria for the renowned program. I would like to introduce our high school administrators to brag a bit on our 2025 Sunshine State Scholar and alternate. In the event that the Sunshine State Scholar cannot attend in March, the alternate will take their place.
094This year's alternate is from Flaggler Palm Coast High School. Principal Bobby Baseret is here to introduce Suki Louu. Good evening, Superintendent Moore, members of the board. I am truly honored to be here tonight to introduce a remarkable student who is still sitting with us right here. Our school's nominee for Sunshine State Scholar, Miss Suki Louu. Suki is an exceptionally high achieving scholar in the international balora diploma program at FPC. She demonstrates a deep passion for STEM, taking on some of the most rigorous courses we offer, including dual enrollment physics through the University of Florida. She currently holds a 4.0 weighted GPA and a 5.05 05 weighted or unweighted GPA and a 5.05 weighted GPA and she has earned perfect scores fives on four AP exams. Her primary academic interest is computer science, a field she
095explores well beyond the classroom. She often draws connections between complex programming logic and the sophisticated strategies of competitive bridge, a game in which she strongly excels. As the vice president of the Flaggler Youth Bridge Club, she has qualified for national finals and has won multiple sectional tournaments. On our campus, Suki is a leader in every sense of the word. She serves as secretary and division coach for MU Alphatheta, a section leader in our marching band, and is the junior class vice president. In each role, she consistently demonstrates initiative, integrity, and the ability to lift up the students around her. Suki embodies the tenacity and drive of a bulldog every single day. She doesn't just excel, she elevates everybody around her. She is without question one of the finest bulldogs at FPC. Please join me in
096congratulating our Sunshine State Scholar nominee, Miss Suki Lou. Come up for a picture. And if you stand to the side for just a moment, we're gonna bring up our um our Sunshine State Scholar and then we will do a collective picture then thought. >> So this year's Sunshine State Scholar is from Matanzas High School. Principal Mike Raldi is here to introduce Ethan Tiner. Chair Board Superintendent Moore. I'd like to introduce Ethan Tiner, a junior at Matanzis High School. Ethan is an outstanding student with a 4.0 GPA and is on track to earn his ACE diploma with merit. He consistently earns top grades and his dedication has earned him the principal's award for all A's since his freshman year. Ethan is proactive and engaged member of our school community. He competes at the state level in
097speech and debate and mentors new team members and is currently the assistant editor for our school newspaper. His passion for STEM and medicine is evident through his participation in the University of Florida's summer premed program and his volunteer work at UF Flaggler Hospital where he has gained hands-on experience in patient care. Ethan is organized, collaborative, and reflective. He's truly a model student. We are proud of his accomplishments and the leadership he brings to the Matanis High School community. It is my honor to present to you Matanis High School's and Flaggler County Schools Sunshine State Scholar Ethan Tinerations. Hold your stay still. Stay still, guys. Stay still. >> Congratulations. We are so proud of those two scholars and we thank them for being here as well as their school administrators and their families. Thank you very
098much. That concludes our spotlight. >> All right, congratulations all. Uh, thank you, Superintendent Moore. Next, we will have Miss Madison Ael from the Flaggler County Education Foundation. Uh, can everybody hear me? Okay. Okay, cool. Good evening, Chair Superintendent Moore, and members of the board. Um, I'd like to share a really quick update about two incredible events that took place this past week. Both of ours were focused on helping students discover their pathways and pursue their dreams. Last Thursday, we hosted the second annual My bad. Last Friday, we hosted the second annual college and career fair where 800 students had the opportunity to meet 27 college and and universities, 35 businesses, and 17 government agencies. Students explored nextstep options in every direction, college, career, military, and community service. Thank you to everyone who helped make these
099events pos this event possible and for creating an experience that truly opened doors for our students. On Saturday, we held one of the foundation signature fundraising events, the Josh Cruz Gala, supporting our Josh Cruz writing project in all of our schools, including Imagine. It was announced that we now have 188 students participating in creative writing clubs after school, working alongside dedicated educators who guide them through their writing journey. This program continues to grow every year and inspire thanks to the support of this community. And finally, we want to remind our students that the senior scholarship platform opened yesterday and will remain open until January 17th. Instructions and application walkthrough video are available at flaggleredfoundation.org and on all of our social media channels. Please don't miss out on this opportunity. These scholarships can make a meaning
100meaningful difference in your next steps after high school. Thank you for the continued opportunity to share these highlights and for your continued partnership as we work together to make it happen for Flaggler students. Also, if you're um watching, you can scan the QR code and just hop right on to register for senior scholarships. That's all I have. >> Thank you. >> Okay, moving on to 6.01 through 6.03. Do I have a motion to approve these items? >> Move approval. >> Uh second motion by Mr. Furry and second by Miss Ready. All those in favor? I >> I >> the motion carries. Um we already did the adoption of the agenda. So 8.01. Do we have anybody for public comment? >> Yes, we have one person for public comment on the agenda. We have Mr. Ron
101Long for item 14.01. >> Good evening, chair, board members, superintendent. I'm Ron Long and I'm here tonight to address a concern with policy 0169.1 specifically the section outlining the public input process. This is not specifically about the technical correction coming before you this evening. This is more about protecting the meaningful access to public uh for the public to be heard. The policy lays out the basic guidelines that we all know completing the public input input form speaking in order of submission and the threeminut time limit. These rules help maintain structure and keep the meeting efficient. But I want to address items D and E. Item D states that individuals cannot delegate their time, their allotted time to someone else. And item E encourages groups with a shared viewpoint to select a representative to speak on
102their behalf. Now, I understand the reasoning for item E to streamline the meetings and eliminate repetitive comments. However, there's a real challenge here. When one person is asked to represent several people's interests, the strict three-minute time limit can be a little bit limiting. It may be difficult for that representative to accurately and respectfully convey the concerns of the entire group. As a result, people may be discouraged from using the very option that this board is trying to recommend. Other governing bodies have recognized this and made uh provisions and reasonable solutions. Flaggler County Commission has allowed uh has allowed extended times in these situations. In some cases, they even go up to 10 minutes. Palm co city council has adopted similar flexibilities. They understand that public input is not simply a procedural formality. It's a core
103component of open, transparent, democratic governance. My suggestion is simple and modest. When a designated representative is speaking on behalf of a group, allow that speaker five minutes instead of the three. This small adjustment ensures that the group's viewpoints can be communicated clearly and completely without without overwhelming the meeting schedule. This may seem like a small minor detail, but has a major impact on the accessibility of this board to the community it serves. Public import input is not a burden. It's a cornerstone of democracy and it's one of the things that makes our community and our country so exceptional. Thank you for your time. >> Thank you. Moving on to 9.01. 01 through 9.06. Do I have a motion to approve these items? >> Move approval. >> Moved by um Mr. Furry. >> Second by Miss
104Ramirez. All those in favor? >> I. >> And the motion carries. All right. Moving on to 11.01 through 11.03. Do I have a motion to approve these items? Move to approve. >> Second. >> All right. Moved by Miss Ramirez and second by Mr. Furry. All those in favor, please say I. >> I. I. >> Motion carries. Three. >> I just thank Mr. Reeves for also uh ensuring um that additional piece in the Wilsonou uh helping to protect our brand and giving first right of refusal for any uh publication of our name. Okay, thank you. Moving on to 13.01 and 13.02. Do I have a motion for these items? >> Move approval. >> Second. >> Moved by um Mr. Furry and second by Miss Ramirez. All those in favor, please say I. >> I. >> Motion
105carries three to zero. >> Okay. >> 14.01. Do I have a motion for these items? Move to approve. >> Second. >> Moved by Mr. Ramirez and second by Mr. Furry. All those in favor, please say I. >> I. >> Motion carries. Three to zero. All right. We're down to 21.01 for our school board attorney contract. Do I have a motion? >> Move approval. >> Second. >> Moved by Mr. defer and second by Miss Ramirez. All those in favor, please say I. >> I wanted to make aware to the public that um the cost for the services did not increase. Uh as well as um the services, if any increase uh were to occur, it's in alignment with the increases allotted for teachers. And I think that's very admirable and more than fair. All right, the
106motion carries. Okay. And 23.0. Any other anybody else for public comment? We have Mr. Edward Fuller on Veterans Day. >> Thank you. Good evening, Ed Fuller. Uh it's a privilege to even as late as it is to say what I need to say. Congratulations uh on the chair. Congratulations on all of the board members. Congratulations students, school board members. Uh I'm with the Veterans Day parade uh committee and I'll tell you what, a week ago. Blair County Schools just absolutely made me proud, made our country proud in the way they conducted themselves and the way they participated and the way they just absolutely engaged. We had your engaged, empower, and educate. Well, they they knocked it out of the park. Well, first of all, everybody remembers it was 27 degrees, right? Can't forget that. >>
107Great day for a parade. It really was. That said, uh I had the personal privilege of meeting 700 of the finest young men and women at the end of that parade. Band members, JETC members, uh Panthers, Love Wadssworth, if you're listening out there, I got to go shout them out. And before I forget, that Indian Trails Quartet over there, we want him in that parade next year. I got I told the principal I'm going to get a float form because they don't they they don't march. I get it. They were amazing. But let me talk about what's going on here. Uh Lieutenant David Freeman, unbelievable member of that committee. Uh Don Foley, Marcus San Philippo, Doug Glasco, Mantanis uh band director Ryan uh Schultz, FPC band director John Seth, the Panthers, the GRE, A RO
108TC, the what you what you're building here, Lashaka, is culture, culture, community, respect, honor, and dignity. Look who's leading in that parade. Yeah, I'm going to be on a bash and I'm going to say amazing these school. You ought to be very proud. I was I was crying, okay, when I saw those young men and women come there after. Look, they just performed at a band competition, I believe, a week before. They came in a day off to perform for our veterans. Talk about self-sacrifice. Talk about self-awareness. What are we teaching our kids? That's culture. That's not in a book. That's by example. And she's right over there. And I shouldn't be pointing. It's impolite, but I'm gonna do it anyway. Miss Moore, I love you. And I'll tell you what, I saw your evaluations
109of Miss Moore. Look, you would you don't let a co a college basketball coach go. You don't let a football coach go. I'm saying you need to move forward with that contract and sign her up before somebody snatches her up. And for all those kids out there and those band members, God bless you. I was never more proud as a father and a grandfather to see those kids out there performing. Not one of them complained about the cold. I'm telling you, they were so polite. Thank you so much. And my suggestion again, don't sleep under that chair. You need you need to go forward with that contract. Somebody's going to snatch her up. I'm You can You can do it. You have a new chair. You can make it You can make that happen. You
110can go forward. obviously going to have to have discussions, but I I would suggest you do that. Um I didn't mind mean to ramble, but I'll wait here any day to talk about our kids and you all do a great job. So, thank you as well for participating. We had the largest parade in the history of the Veterans Day and that's because of everyone up here. So, if you're all listening at home, God bless you. Thank you. You're amazing men and women. What an example, Lashakamore. And I do pray for you and I do get Lashakamore every night. Thank you. God bless you. I know I went over time. I apologize. Thank you so much. >> Thank you. >> Any anyone else signed up for public comment? >> All right, we'll move on to board
111member request. Do I have any board member request? >> Uh I would like to address the group uh speaking time on 0169.1. I think for a future discussion a workshop I think it's more than fair to think of maybe there's a minimum group size in which we do extend uh the time limit how we monitor the number of people who are affiliated with a group to ensure that it's not taken advantage of. It sounds like there's a couple of models we could take a look at. Okay, any other request? We will move on to closing comments starting with our school board members. >> Oh, I'm >> student school board members. >> Yes. >> Good evening, Mr. Chair, superintendent and school board. I would first like to thank you all for allowing me to have this
112opportunity to speak on the dis on behalf of all students of FPC. I would first like to give a special thank you and acknowledge the incredible AFJC cadets who presented our colors tonight. So, thank you to them. I would also extend a huge congratulations to Miss Suki Louu. Tonight, I would like to share some special events that have been happening at FBC. FBC Thesbsian Society is holding their annual winter play which was student written and titled I'll figure the title out later. I would like to extend a huge congratulations again to FBC Thesbians for a successful district festival. They scored all excellent and superior ratings with a special shout out to Laura Lee Kilmer, Reagan Golf, Caleb Flynn, Isabella Bond, all for receiving perfect top honors for Small Assembly Musical. Our formality singers, jazz band,
113and band have been up to some incredible things as FPC held their annual pops concert where listeners got to experience what it's like to be in the band. A super special shout out to Oliver Novik who is selected for Florida Florida's band master association allstate concert band on soprano saxophone. FPC clubs are holding the standard of the county as art club makes their annual their Christmas board. FPC future chef club is now catering. Yes, that's right. Students are catering. Benell FFA for the first time ever participated in the in the farm and agra business management contest and placed 10th in the state. and SGAA is holding their an annual dinner with Santa where all proceeds go to those in need. So huge congratulations to FPC SGAA again for being selected to the host the 2027
114state conference at FPC which is incredible. Some other incredible initiatives happening at FPC are the FBC DECA and AFOC holidays which all donations and proceeds are going to the giving store to help those in need. FPC SGAA is collecting socks and funds in collaboration with OCPS for Tiny Toes Initiative as well as a FPC IB cast project titled Seeds of Hope is teaming up with FPC athletics to fight food insecurity in Flaggler County. FPC sports are in in displaying incredible athleticism as our varsity girls soccer team goes undefeated and FBC cross country team is not only breaking state but FPC records as well as some as well as some of our state qualifiers and champions. Girls golfer Sophia Switch qualified for the state tournament and the FPC sim swim team qualified in 10 events for
115the Florida regional champions. As for some other incredible students, a huge congratulations to M Malikica O'Neal for being named CCT student of the month, Lenia Walker for being the recipient of the Daughters of the American Revolution Good Citizens Award, and Ava Hatton for receiving the great kid award from the Flaggler County Sheriff's Department as well as a special congratulations to FBC's teacher of the year, Mr. Giovani and rookie teacher of the year, MME, as well as employee of the year, M. Mr. Grant. A special thank you to the Flaggler County Ed Foundation. Uh, as you all heard, they held their second annual college and careerfest um, which students were able to experience college and other events as well as a the a special thank you to the Flaggler Cares in collaboration with the Florida Counterdrug
116Task Force to present in the Great American Smokeout tomorrow. Um, just some important announcements. Our autumn adventure had record-breaking attendance as well as FPC teachers continued to make education great through the Toyota Beaver Foundation grants which FPC eight FPC teachers received. So huge thank you to them as well as just a super big thank you to the all of those who made Autumn Ventures available. So our clubs, our faculty, our staff. So, as the semester comes to a close, FPC Bulldogs show no signs of stopping with all of the great things they're up to. Thank you to our coaches, faculty, and staff, club organizers, and security team for making these things possible. Once again, thank you and have a great evening. Thank you, Olivia. As this meeting comes to a close, I'd like to take
117this opportunity to share some great things going on at Matanza High School. Last Wednesday, our August, September, and October Kowanas senior of the months were recognized and received their war awards at the Kuanas lunchon. These students were recognized for their dedication to their school and their own success in academics and beyond. We had lots of pirate participation in the community Veterans Day parade, which was recognized at tonight's meeting. Just again, thank you to our very own band of pirates, cheerleaders, and Army ROC for representing Matanzis High School and showing up to support our veterans. Congratulations to girls and boys cross country on their successful regional meet. Both of them will be competing at states. MHS swim team also earned their way to state competitions and winter sports have begun and we look forward to watching
118our pirate athletes compete this season. The Vicear Credit Union interns at Matanis High School are hosting a reality fair this Friday for our students. Here students will be assigned a career and salary and get to work through and around differenti stations simulating day-to-day expenses and budgeting. This is a great experience and opportunity provided by our vicear interns. This is something we've done before and I participated and I think it's it's really great to see our students um go through the simulation. With holidays around the corner, MHS students are getting into the giving spirit. On Friday, the National Honor Society donated baskets of food they collected through donations to the Veterans of Foreign Wars organization here in our community. SJA is currently hosting a sock drive for hospitalized children. They are accepting slightly used or new
119socks until December 12th and appreciate all of your donations. The career fair again to thank you to Flagler Education Foundation. This was a great success. It was a wonderful opportunity for our juniors and seniors to learn about opportunities in their community and educational opportunities as well. Some exciting upcoming events include the Key Club's annual breakfast with Santa. This is open to the community and the members serve breakfast and gift wrapped books to children to attend. This event will be taking place at Matanis High School on December 13th from 8:00 to 11:00 a.m. On behalf of Matanis High School and our student body, thank you for your support and I look forward to our continued collaboration. Thanks. All right. Well done and a happy birthday to Miss Ava. So, she's here on her birthday night. So,
120and I know we had Olivia's in September, so we missed that one. Um, but I did want to congratulate these two young ladies. They are a part of our virtual team town hall and I was able to sit in on that hour and a half discussion and they were fantastic. We had a lot of students involved. It's middle school and high school students. So, if you're a student watching or you're a parent or a guardian, keep your eyes out for those emails for the virtual teen town halls. They're amazing and I learned quite a bit and even things to bring back to the table to try to, you know, help and promote things. So, well done for the ladies. And I did want to just um thank all of my liaison that I had last
121year and then the opportunity to work with you again this year. So, Matanis High School, Beltter Elementary, the virtual teen town hall, Focus on Flaggler Youth Coalition, EPAC, and of course, uh Florida schoolboard association. and um you know those liaison are very meaningful. So if you have any um questions or concerns about any type of activity going on in those specific campuses or schools, you know, definitely reach out to the dedicated schoolboard member. Um this past year has been amazing. I'm looking forward to my year two to represent district 5 and the whole county. And I hope everyone has a wonderful evening and thank you all for um your attendance tonight. So, I just want to inform our community members of some troubling uh changes uh in the legislature that have come upon us that
122again public schools will have to uh navigate through. Schools of hope. It sounds like a really great marketing title. However, when you look underneath the hood of that, it is most probably should be named Roommate from Hell. I don't know if you've ever watched that series, Netflix. Um, so think of if you invite somebody to your house and they never leave and you have to pay their grocery bill, their electric bill, the repairs to your house. That's exactly what Schools of Hope is. Schools of Hope will allow charter schools, which on the surface are nonprofit, however, are often operated by forprofit educational management companies, and they will allow uh those organizations to take root into public schools, ignoring the space needs for ESSE, uh other sensory rooms, uh rooms for special programs and burrow their
123way into schools without paying rent, electricity, and put administrative burdens on the school as well as food services. I believe as of the latest rendition I've read, yet I hear and see no uproar or um objection from community members who are saying, "Why are they taking my taxpayer money for for-profit organizations to essentially parasite off of public schools?" So, uh, maybe it's lack of clear understanding of what that schools of hope really means. Um, and so that's why I'm sharing with you tonight. Your voice matters. We need your support. We need you to be contacting your legislators. We need you to speak up. Uh, because this is going to be another administrative oversight that we will have to handle. So, when you ask, "Why do we pay substitutes $15 an hour, the rate that they're
124hiring at Taco Bell, or why can't we pay our bus drivers more?" Or, "Why is the family of four on our insurance policy paying a $1,700 a month premium?" It's because we will have to absorb the additional costs of these impacts with the lower funding that our state provides. Additionally, we've worked really hard to overcome some of the drama that's come around mistrust of teachers um indoctrinating or people assuming they're indoctrinating students in schools. And so recently a uh Phoenix declaration was proposed. It is not a bill. However, it is a movement that will most assuredly again put uh people under scrutiny and push one set of ideology uh over another. And I thought that's what we're moving past. So when we also look at the PE public officials that you're electing, please not only
125look at the support that they're putting on Facebook pages or coming to school events, but look at how they vote because we recently had up for a vote a policy where we could have taken a stand in our local community against some of this movement to again provide excessive oversight to teachers and build distrust, but yet the majority of the board voted against those interests of teachers and again fanning the flames of mistrust between the public and the teachers. So pay attention to how people vote because they most assuredly are voting as if this is a football game and they will never change their jersey no matter what the item is to vote on and how it may hurt you or the people that they're supposed to represent. Thank you. >> Well, that's that's just
126one perspective. Um when when that board member says that we need to do something about this, that doesn't speak for every board member here. You know, the school of hopes um are specifically for chronically low performing schools. And so, um, this is not something that should affect Flagger County based on these benchmarks. Um, so these efforts are to improve the quality of education in underperforming districts and yes, they will be able to move into underutilized facilities. Um but I in in my view if the school is fa failing the children this is a a hope opportunity. So uh it's all a matter of perspective at the end of the day. Um, so on another note, the I want to just again um highlight I don't know why I've got feedback here on this, but um
127I want to uh again highlight the the great effort of the Veterans Day parade uh and and Flagger School's participation and and uh truly grateful and honored that we had Mr. Freeman um as the uh grand marshal. uh we we really appreciate his service to our country. Uh you've served our country with honor and you serve this organization with honor and for that I'm grateful sir. Um and uh for as far as um tonight's voting um you know these are the these are the things that happen sometimes when you have a four member board. Um, so my hope is that tonight we could resolve that because it it will affect our um organizing our cops, which is our financing corporation, because the vice chair is going to need to be listed to serve in that
128area. So um my hope is that we can um pick that up tonight and um finish that out. And uh just grateful for staff and all their efforts. And I will yield my time. Um, I just want to thank our board for um for your trust and your confidence in me. I really do appreciate the opportunity and I'm grateful to serve in this capacity in my fourth year. So, thank you very much. Um, yes, the veterans parade. Yeah, I'm just thinking back to it. Really is incredible that it was so cold out, but all of our kids came out. We had such a great show from Flaggler schools. It really um is just a testament and you know that's part of the fun of this job. It's not always fun but um I do love
129to just be a part of our community that way. So um that was such a great event to be able to support our veterans. Um let's see. I'll just touch on the Phoenix Declaration. You know, you can you can look that up yourself. Don't read into news articles. You can go on the Florida DOE and you can read what that's about. Um I will just uh quickly just um name um the points on here. Parental choice and responsibility, transparency and accountability, truth and goodness. Consider the alternative there I guess cultural transmission, character formation and academic excellence and citizenship. So um take some time to look that up. It is on our Florida DOE website and you can read that. Um, other than that, yeah, I know it's been a very busy time. Everybody's trying to
130be out there, uh, be involved. Next week is Thanksgiving break, so I really do hope everybody gets some time to just, um, rest and enjoy family. Um, and yeah, just be thankful for every all the blessings we have here. Thank you. I will be quick as I know I stand in between us and our reopening of our reorg meeting. So, I will be uh, very quick. Um, today is the 69th day of school. Um, and guess what tomorrow is? Is the 70th day of school. Exactly. And so we cannot wait to celebrate the 70th day of school. So dust off your 70s attire. I think I'm going to go disco 70s disco tomorrow possibly. I'm not sure. But tomorrow is the 70th day of school. And I always like to just remind us is that
131we celebrate each and every day because it is um its own individual opportunity for us to do great things for our students. I want to thank uh Flaggler County Education Foundation and um all of our business partners and colleges that participated in the college and career fair. I also would like to just call out uh four seasons and quantum just for your support over the years for the work that um that you do to support what we do. Um because a lot of the things that we see within our schools and our school district is made possible by local businesses and local individuals giving to our um foundation and giving to our school district to make great things happen for our students. progress reports are coming out very soon. So, please parents take um mind
132to that and then the scholarship platform is open. Um so, please go on to the website, have your seniors apply for those scholarships. Apply for as many of them as you can. I know that our our student school board members will do that as well. Again, today is the 69th day of school. Cannot wait to celebrate the 70th day of school. And um good night for this meeting and um thank you so much for the opportunity. >> Okay, so that was the Yep. Here you go. adjourning of the regular meeting at 8:26. We will uh resume into our reorganization. um meeting um because we now ha have a chair. Will the chair be serving or will I continue to resume? Okay. >> Yes. And if I can be recognized for a minute. Um, in some
133discussions I've had was um our our chief financial officer, we just really wanted to emphasize the board the importance um of selecting a vice chair because the implications for the um uh the finance meeting that we have still in the agenda. uh we certainly wouldn't want to do anything that could have a negative impact on any uh bond ratings or the the stability of the district. And um I'll I'll turn it over Miss Horic for >> Thank you. Um yes, that has been confirmed that if we do not have a vice chair for our cops board, it could potentially impact um our bond ratings going forward. >> Okay. Well, I I motion that we pick the the uh election of the vice chair from the table. >> Do we have a second? >> Second. >>
134And um any discussion before we call for the vote? All those in favor to remove it from the table and back into discussion, please second by I. >> I I >> I. >> Excellent. Um as of um the item being tabled um we are going in for um vice chair um we have two nominations on the table currently for vice chair. We have Mr. Furry as well as Miss Ramirez. I want to first confirm before going into the vote and any discussion that both individuals want to continue to move forward um with your nomination. I will continue forward. >> Uh yes, ma'am. >> Okay. Uh that being stated, um we will start with Mr. Furry. All those in favor for Mr. Furry to serve as the vice chair, please signal by I >> I those
135opposed. >> Nay. >> We will move to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor for Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I I >> oppose. >> Nay. >> No. >> I I don't know how we can keep going back and forth here. So, I don't know. It just needs it needs to go. This is the process. It it has to go until we have a until we have a vice chair. >> There's no other way to do it. >> We can't bring this back um at the next business meeting. >> Uh that would be a question for the attorney. We just been informed by our bond council that this could negatively impact our our bond ratings if we do not have a vice chair to serve on the cops committee. That's
136my understanding as well. I this issue can have significant real world impacts on the finances of the district and it's an issue that I we are recommending that the board get resolved tonight. At this time, we currently have two individuals um nominated for the role of vice chair. We have Mr. Furry and Miss Ramirez. If there is no additional discussion, we will move forward into the vote. We will start with Mr. Furry. All those in favor of Mr. Furry serving as vice chair. Please vote with a signal of I. >> I. >> Those opposed. >> Nay. Nay. >> For Miss RmIrez, we have a nomination for Miss RmIrez to serve as vice chair. All those in support, please say I. I. >> I. >> And those opposed, nay. at this time. We have the item
137of vice chair of the board for the 2526 year. We have two individuals that are nominated, Mr. Furry and Miss Ramirez. At this time, we will move into the vote. We will start with Mr. Furry and then move on to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor for Mr. Furry to serve as vice chair, please vote by I. >> I. >> Those opposed? >> Nay. Nay. >> We will move on to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor for Miss Ramirez to serve as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I. I >> and oppose. >> Nay. >> If I'm recognized by the secretary of the board right now, the superintendent, um, I want to choose my words carefully. I am not your bond counsel and I don't claim to be in that role, but I have
138significant concerns that the appearance that this board is not able to resolve this issue could have significant negative impacts on the finances of the district. The ongoing lack of resolution of this issue will be available for the public to see, will be available for anyone who is looking at doing business with the district for their loans and so forth. and it has the potential to give those or those those banks pause and or charge a higher rate because of concern that this board is not able to resolve its its governance. I I'm not I don't intend to put any particular board member on the spot, but I just feel like I'm not doing my job if I'm not as clear as possible on that. >> Anyone willing to withdraw. If no additional conversations, we will
139move on to the vote. We have two individuals on for consideration for chair vice chairman of the board. We have Mr. Furry and Miss Ramirez. We will start with Mr. Furry. All those in favor of Mr. the furry servant as vice chair of the board. Please signal by I >> I >> oppose. >> Nay nay. >> Miss Ramirez. We have Miss Ramirez. All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal by I. I >> I >> and oppose. Name. Um, for the sake of the cops, is it permitted that a that the vice president of the cops be someone other than the vice chair? I don't know that that will resolve the issue. Um, but does it allow for someone other than the vice chair to be the pre the vice
140president of the cops? >> Uh, Madam Superintendent, I apologize. I would want to confirm the answer to that question by a quick check of our policy. So maybe we could take a a brief recess and let me confirm that >> we will do a brief recess for that consideration. We'll come back together in 45 seconds. Okay, thank you. We will come back um from recess. I will ask for um Attorney Delaney to provide some insight, please. >> Yes, ma'am. Uh thank you, Madam Superintendent. Uh I apologize to the board. I do not have a definitive answer to the question that the superintendent posed. Um, our policies, I don't believe, address that. I think that that answer would potentially be contained in the bylaws of the lease incorporation, which I don't have um available uh to
141me. Uh we have also reached out to bond counsel for advice on that and we're hoping to hear back, but uh we're not able to to make contact. So that being said, we will not deviate from our uh regular order. We will continue to move forward uh with the hopes of being able to identify a vice chair um and then um move into our um cops meeting. So at this time we have two individuals that remain um up for consideration for our vice chair position. We will start with Mr. Furry and then move on to Miss Ramirez. All in favor for Mr. Furry to be the vice chair, please vote by a signal of I. >> I. Those opposed, please vote by a signal of nay. >> Nay. >> We will now consider Miss Ramirez.
142All those in favor of Miss Ramirez uh becoming the vice chair, please signal by in favor by I >> I. >> Those opposed nay. >> Nay. We will move into the vote again. At this time, we have two individuals up for consideration. We have Mr. Furry as well as Miss Ramirez. We will begin with Mr. Furry and then go on to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor of Mr. Furry serving as the vice chair, please signal by I. >> I. >> Those opposed. >> Nay. Nay. >> We will now move on to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I. Those opposed. >> Okay. >> Yes. We can open up for any discussion or we can have a moment to of just reflection before
143we go into the next vote. Do you want to be recognized? I'm sorry. what Miss Chong was saying, our student board members, we know that especially it's your birthday and if you you guys are welcome to stay or excuse yourself at the point that you need to be excused. We know that you do have school tomorrow and we don't want you to think that it would be rude for you to excuse yourself. >> Thank you for recognizing that. Um we we do represent our school and we're grateful for the opportunity, so we we will choose to stay. Thank you. for the public. We are not in recess at the moment, but we are waiting um additional clarification from legal um as well as continuing to proceed with the vote for vice chair. Um that is
144where the silence is. We are still in um in our uh reorganization meeting. Again, for the sake of the public, we are in our reorganization meeting. Um, we are not currently on recess, but on a brief pause. Um, and we'll resume the vote for vice chair, but we are still in our active meeting. We will go for a another brief recess um as we wait for further direction. So we will recess. We will be back together shortly. Okay, we will come back um from recess from our reorganization um meeting. We are currently um in a position of selecting the vice chair for um the board. um we can continue with this um item or we can table this item for a later date and then uh convene our comps our leasing corporation. So um that
145is where we are right now. We can um continue with the vote for this item or or we can table this item um for a later meeting and convene our lease incorporation meeting. Um so we can have a motion for how this board would like to move forward. Um, right now we are in the process of of voting for a vice um vice chair. Um, and we can continue that if that is the desire of the board or we can go into um we can >> a motion to continue voting for a vice chair. I'd like to have this resolved tonight. >> We have a motion for a vice chair. Is there a second? We do not have a second. This item would not move. That motion would not move forward. We'll go to the
146attorney. >> Sure. Um I I do want to remind the board that um the board has adopted policies that say that the chair and the vice chair shall be selected at the organizational meeting. Um, so that that is not a permissive, it's a mandatory language. Um, I'm making the board aware of that. Shifting gears, let me talk to you uh about the additional information I've received because, um, we were able to confer with bond council. We were able to reference specific portions of the bylaws regarding the leasing corporation and um the board does have the discretion to select a vice president of the leasing corporation who is not just been selected as vice chair of the board. So, put another way, the board in its role as the leasing corporation has discretion to select someone
147as vice president who has not just been selected as vice chair. So, the cops meeting if the board's willing could be resolved this evening without the selection of a vice chair for the board. that will not put us in any financial uh >> that was the opinion of bond council that going that route um would comply with the leasing corporation bylaws and should not have a negative financial impact. >> But just to clarify, you said that in fact our our policy is that we elect a vice chair at this meeting. >> Yes. Uh I I the organization meeting policy references that and uh the officer meeting policy. So uh 151 and 152 both state that. >> So hearing that that our board policy calls for us to to elect a vice chair tonight. I once
148again motion that we continue the selection of a vice chair to stay in compliance with our board policy. >> Um I do have a question. Since we're already actively in that item um is we don't need the motion at this time. We can continue to move forward. >> Yes, I think so. And >> okay. So I I withdraw my my original st statement asking for the motion. So we're currently selecting a vice chair for the board for 20 202526 year. We are going to move forward with a vote. We have two individuals for consideration for vice chair. We have Mr. Furry and Miss Ramirez. We will start with Mr. Furry and move to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor of Mr. Furry serving as the vice chair, please signal by I. >> I. >> Those
149opposed. >> Nay. Nay. >> We will move to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I >> and oppose. >> Nay. >> Miss Tong, did you register a vote? We can continue with the vote for vice chair or recess the reorganization meeting to start to convene the lease incorporation meeting. if the board um believes it would be able to identify a vice president or we can continue to remain on this this item. And so um unless there's any other direction, we will continue to ma remain on the item of vice chair. >> Well, my view is is that if we just follow board policy, the other one solves itself. >> Absolutely. >> Right. So there's there's no reason to move on to to do
150that when otherwise we're going to have to go against our board policy tonight. Um and I don't think that sends a good message. >> Okay. So >> we're still in the vote. >> No, we are we're still in the vote. Um, so we have two individuals in consideration for vice chair. We have Mr. Furry and Miss Ramirez. We will begin with Mr. Furry and then move to Miss We will begin with Mr. Furry and then move to Miss Ramirez. Starting with Mr. Furry. All those in favor of Mr. Furry serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I. Those opposed? >> Nay. >> We'll move to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as vice president, please signal by I. >> I I >> oppose. name. >> Hey We will move
151forward with the selection of a vice chair. We have two individuals for consideration. We have Mr. Furry and Miss Ramirez. We will begin with Mr. Furry and then move to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor for Mr. refer to serve as the vice chair. Please signal by I >> I >> those opposed. >> Nay. >> We'll move on to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I I. >> Those opposed. Nay. We will move forward with a vote for vice chair. Two individuals in consideration, Mr. Furry and Miss Ramirez. We will begin with Mr. Furry and then move on to Miss Ramirez. Starting with Mr. Furry. All those in favor of Mr. Furry serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I. >>
152Those opposed? >> Nay. Nay. >> We will then move on to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I I >> those opposed. >> Nay. We will move forward with the selection of the vice chair. We have two individuals for consideration, Mr. Furry and Miss Ramirez. We will begin with Mr. Furry and then move on Mr. Furry and then move on to Miss Ramirez. Beginning with Mr. Furry. All those in favor of Mr. Furry serving as the vice chair, please vote with a signal of I. >> I. >> And Mi uh those opposed? >> Nay. Nay. >> We will move on to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I. and those opposed.
153May. We can move forward with another vote. We have we are selecting a board chair. I'm sorry, a vice chair. We have two individuals that are up for consideration, Mr. Furry and Miss Ramirez. We'll start with Mr. Furry. All those in favor for Mr. Furry, please signal with a vote of I. >> I I >> those opposed. >> Nay. Nay. >> We will move to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor for Mr. Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal with an I. >> I. >> And oppose. >> Nay. Outside of continuing to repeat, which I will gladly do, I don't know what else to do other than to suggest potentially moving forward with the lease incorporation meeting and coming back to this item. Um, again, we we can gladly continue with the this measure of
154a vote voting process. um or move to the leasing corporation. If we go to the leasing corporation, we would have to identify um we would go out of our common practice of the vice pre the chair being the vice president >> or um I don't know. I just have to say something, I guess. Um, we have members that have nominated themselves tonight and members that have been nominated by other board members and yet people are refusing to budge. Um, consider how this looks to our community. It's already going to be out there and look very bad. I will share that initially before I had put my name because again I was voted against um for uh board chair that when I initially submitted my name that I did submit Miss Ramirez's name. So, let's not
155discount um and I don't think that if uh I were wishy-washy in terms of who I really support uh that I would vote this many times I for Miss Ramirez. So, let's not discount um how the nomination occurred. Uh, I also would implore you to say as experienced board members, you've just seen two people get elected. Number one, me winning uh my seat with a two-month campaign and outfunded by $35,000. Another individual who is very well connected um in our community. U again, an underdog one. So if you look at what the community is trying to tell you and what your aspirations are, perhaps it is the more mature thing to ensure that consistency and listen to what the community is telling you they want to see in this board. >> Well, I'll respond to
156that. I wasn't running against either one of you in that election. So therefore, they spoke to those seats that you are in. you continually try and draw things from the outside to this vote tonight that are not factors. This is about this is a vote amongst the board. The board chooses its chair and its vice chair and that is it. There's no other outside influence here. And so so that is how it's always been done and that's how our board policies uh have have set it up tonight's meeting. And if we don't elect a board chair uh vice chair tonight, we will leave this uh chamber out in violation of our policy or not fulfilling the policy at the very least. >> Miss Moore. >> Yes. To say that there are no outside influences on
157this vote and that this vote is to serve our interests and purpose alone is discounting that we are a servant of our community. Everything we do is in the name and service of our community, including creating our chair and vice chair. It should be a representation of what our constituents are saying and wanting. >> And so, yes, I 100% believe that uh this should not be self-s serving. And some of the behavior tonight in not relinquishing a tenure on those leadership roles is indicative of uh I don't know a grasp that you you don't wish to cultivate that next succession line. I don't understand it. It's to to me with the warnings that we've heard from the lawyer as well as others. Um, and a as you've said, Miss Chong, the visibility to the community
158at this point, it I don't think it's Miss Ramirez who is is being seen as uh not being flexible because we've actually had a very strong argument. And the other side of the argument is, well, I'm the most qualified, but yet nothing was identified in terms of what made you qualified in the first place that Miss RmIrez doesn't already have. >> Well, I I'll answer to you that I have constituents also. They're not just your constituents. So, if it is a reflection of the electorate, we all were voted in by the people. So if that is the case, then my view from from my vote is the is the vote from the people that elected me. And that's what we're supposed to be doing here. What we're seeing here is a democratic pro process playing
159out, but unfortunately with a lack of one board member, which likely would have solved this this evening. So we uh should should we concede to where what we think is right just because we are down one board member? Uh well that's an individual choice. Um but the the the reality is it is clear that I have the experience for this role. I am the most I I am more tenured than than Miss Ramirez for this role. uh she has plenty of time to to to develop her skills and and earn the vote from the board to be the chair in her remaining three years of her elected term. Um I I am in my uh last year my of the four years that were given to me in 22 as Miss Chong as well. And
160so I was nominated and so therefore I I'm moving forward with accepting that nomination and voting for myself. >> I'm just going to second again that you know once again you all have three more years and you could will definitely most likely be chair at some point. Um but he is finishing up his term and I just think that he is um the most experienced right now for this position. Uh, Chair Trong, may I have the floor, please? >> Yeah. >> Thank you. So, one, I just want to, you know, Chair Furry or excuse me, not Chair Furry anymore, Mr. Furry, um, I know you feel you have the most experience and, you know, yes, you have been a school board member longer. Experience though for this role, it entails many things. I'm a business
161owner. I'm going to another country tomorrow to present at a conference that I was invited to. I have experience, okay? I have experience in this community and with Florida Schoolboard Association that our community is paying for us to attend and go to. And I did not miss one. And it's because I have the support of the community to assist with and my husband, thank goodness, watch the children so I can go do this, do that, whatever it may be. there. There's things that I have just because just cuz I haven't been here for going on four years like you're saying. I'm voting for myself because I know and I feel that I'm the right person for the role and I I hear what you're saying but I I don't dis I don't agree with it
162and I still think you know you have the experience but for this role I feel like I have done more of the experience at least this past year so many of the the meetings the conferences the um liaison updates and this vice chair role saying like So, if Miss Chong is out sick, which I hope not, or if something happens, I will be able to make sick. >> Excuse me. Can we stop saying if I'm sick? Excuse me. If if something happens, traffic, right? I know I I came prepared to run the show tonight because I feel like I I ran for this position because I care a lot about it and I'm trying to help and assist with it and I feel that I would do a great job. So, I feel that it
163was great and the right thing to nominate myself because that's what you do. If you know you can do it, then you're going to push yourself to do it. So, experience-wise, I definitely have the experience. I would not say you have more than I do. Yes, you have going on four years, but experience it comes from many different aspects of life. So, I just want you to know I do have the experience. Yes, you were nominated, but I'd like to know, I know, Miss Chong, you nominated him, but we're supposed to be thinking about this board and the community. So, nominating someone else like just from the beginning, we need a successor. We need people to continue so we continue to have a strong strong board year after year after year after year. And I
164really feel this has been a strong board from the beginning. And it's going to continue that way. And the only way to do that, and I'll say what I said earlier, is to let people try sports. If they don't have the basketball to shoot it in practice, they're not going to get better. And that's why I keep going to these meetings and conferences and ask questions, set up meetings with district staff so I can learn and understand it. So, thank you. If no further discussion, we will continue to move forward with the selection of a vice chair. We have two individuals that are for consideration. Mr. Furry and Miss Ramirez. We will begin with Mr. Furry and then go to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor of Mr. Furry being the vice chair, please signal
165by I. >> I. >> Those opposed. >> Nay. >> We will move to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor of Miss Ramirez being the board chair. Uh, vice chair, excuse me. Please signal by I >> I >> oppose. >> Name. So, so think about this. You're saying that when Mr. Fury, your year is up. Okay, so now we're in the same spot next year. You're not here, right? We now definitely do not have somebody who has the experience of a vice chair to let's say move into the chair. if uh Miss Chung's seat is uh not upheld. Right? So again, your argument of experience is actually counterintuitive to what you are actually voting. >> We don't vote on what's happening in the future. We vote on what's happening today. This this vote has nothing to
166do with the outside elections of our individual district seats. This is a this is an election amongst our peers on this board. And you have to convince the other board members to to vote you in. That that is that is that is how this works. You don't see the value in looking forward and grooming the next individual for a chair seat as having sitting right next to the person who's the chair who can see more intimately and be um you know mentored for that particular seat as being valuable. I understand that the the elections don't have a role in this. Obviously, we're not casting ballots here from the public, but what we are doing is thinking about the continuity of the experience to run these meetings and the next in line to do so. And
167so that's what we're imploring both of you to make the mature choice to think about the the continuity of the understanding of that role because we don't want to be in a situation where we've got two people left potentially in the future and three new board members and nobody's ever done either role. That's what I'm trying to get you to think forward and understand the position. This is not a personal argument against uh against your role, your time or what you've served. We're simply saying what typically happens in a system that you want to continue to be successful, you ensure that you have that mentorship in the next one uh to come up. It's simply a safety situation. >> Well, where your Okay, I'd like I have the floor. Good. Okay. Where where where where
168your argument is flawed is you're making an assumption that if Miss Merz was the chair or vice chair now that she would be nominated by the next board to to hold either one of those roles. So the the the reality is that's my point is that you have no idea how that future board is going to vote on who's going to be their chair or their vice chair. So to say that that that I'm setting us up for failure by um accepting the nomination that I've received, then I'm I'm sorry. I don't agree with that. >> We understand that there isn't a way to 100% control the future. However, what you can do is set up the system so that uh you are reducing the risk around it. So yes, you're right. Somebody could say
169maybe Miss Ramirez did not do a great job. Maybe you know what, she's she's not the one it to go into that chair position. But to your own argument where you're looking to take that role on from experience, we're shooting ourselves in the foot just because we're saying, "Well, uh, the future board could choose not to vote her in into succession or continue the vice chair." That doesn't mean you don't do the right thing today. >> Well, that there's nothing wrong with what's happening today. So, that that's what you're trying to to say is that something is wrong here. Uh if if then if I if I am wrong, then Miss Ramirez is wrong. There is no right or wrong here. We're voting for this position amongst the board. That is that is what this
170is. So it it it you're trying to say as if as if I'm the one that uh is is is holding things back. I've been nominated for a role. I've accepted the nomination and I'm and I'm voting I'm voting just like you're voting. So, you could say I could make the same argument uh for Miss Ramirez to to withdraw her um her her own nomination for the for for the and and end this right now. And we've we've solved the problem and then look for the future uh to hold one of these rows roles if the future boards agree with it. So >> you keep saying mature choice and the right choice, but that's only her opinion, >> right? I mean, you're saying that our choice is wrong because we feel this way and you're
171saying yours is right because you feel you're the your way. I just don't understand the the logic. >> Everything. So there is opinion which is just how you feel and then there is an informed uh decision. What I'm proposing and what Mr. Ramirez has proposed is not an opinion or a conjecture. It is a progression plan looking at risk in the future uh as well as the health of the board. Uh I did not say anybody is right or wrong. What we're saying it's not wrong for you to have uh you know say yes I I want to be vice chair. However, what we're asking is does the logic and the strategy lean towards a more common sense approach here rather than you serving another term as vice chair and then what >> you are
172already you are already you are already leaving this position of chose not to rerun. So >> but listen that is one one board member at a time. I apologize. I will pause and I will respond. Um, >> so when you take back to this kind of, well, shouldn't she just drop out? Well, yeah, either one, it doesn't matter. But what we're saying is one has a a prepoundonderance of an argument that makes sense as in founded in something that is uh beyond her own wish. Whereas the other side, your position is well, I was nominated. You were nominated 3 hours ago. You've been given information. You've been given logic here. You've been given an argument to to grow somebody else in that role for the longer term betterment of this board as opposed to the
173finite one year that you have here. >> Well, I don't see my my remaining year as finite. Okay. I mean, Miss Ready, you you use such rude terms and you you were so condescending, >> Mr. Delaney, I want to >> one board member at a time, >> but I'm I make a motion that he is um disparaging me. And >> you're disparaging me. >> You're you're you're you're sitting here called me rude and that is not appropriate. >> Uh well, I think that's an an adjective that is not out of line. Um you You are constantly marginalizing very >> point of order. Point of order. Point of order. >> Point of order. Miss ready. Please. >> Miss Moore. I would like >> I understand and I will give you an opportunity to speak directly to
174the attorney, but >> I do ask that we remain in an orderly manner. This is a board meeting. So Mr. Furry was um speaking. We will give you an opportunity to address the attorney with your concerns, Miss Ruddy, at the conclusion of his comment, please. Thank you. >> I was elected to a 4-year term, and that is what I I I was elected to do, and I've served faithfully for the first three, and I am completing what the people have elected me to do. Whether I decide to run for another term, I am not guaranteed anything beyond four years. And the remainder of my term is just as important as the first three years. And that this is this is not a job where you get to decide if you're just going to stay on.
175You have to run again if you want to stay in that position. But I'm was given four years and I'm seeking I'm finishing four years. I will serve the people of Flagger County for four years and I won't let anybody diminish any part of that time because I take it very seriously and I have since the day I was elected. >> Miss Ready. >> Miss Moore if I may. >> Um we will give Miss Ready an opportunity address and then we'll go to you uh Miss Delgado. >> So when I say finite that is not a rude or derogatory term. it the definition means it has a specific end and my understanding is that you've chosen not to run again and therefore that is the context in which the term finite is used. Mr. Delaney,
176can you please advise on um the uh um my motion to call Mr. uh furry out of order in terms of his disparaging remark, especially after just I believe one workshop ago, we discussed some of our norms. >> Um sure. I'm going to refer to Robert's rules of order um for U-30 that says debate must be confined to the merits of the pending question. Speakers must address their remarks to the chair, maintain a courteous tone, and especially in reference to any divergence of opinion, avoid injecting a personal note into the debate. To this end, uh for members must never attack or make any illusion to the motives of other members. As already noted, speakers should refer to officers only by title and should avoid the mention of other members names as much as possible. So
177that that's the guidance from Robert's rules regarding that issue. >> So Mr. Delaney, um I've now been subjected specifically by name and referenced as being rude. Um I would like to um essentially make a motion that he's out of order if that is the correct procedure and have that noted. >> Has nothing to do with anything. So that that motion would require a second and then a majority vote. >> I'll second. Is there any discussion? I think just let's just get through with this and not call anyone names and just be adults. I just, you know, this this whole point of this meeting and this board is for our children, the kids. They're all our kids, all of these kids. So, you know, all of the learning opportunities, we just need to just keep it
178them in mind. But >> Miss Moore, may I >> um let us get we're going to do the vote um on the motion and then we will be coming um to to you. Um so, we have a motion, we have a second, we've had discussion. Um, >> all in the motion. >> You oppose the motion. I'm sorry. >> I think we should find out. We need to take the vote. >> Yes. So, the the motion was about order. >> I think the motion was to say that Mr. Furry is rude. >> Can you clarify that again? >> The motion was m Mr. furry is out of order and not following Robert's rules of order uh regarding etiquette and calling uh names or uh personal remarks against fellow board members. >> I did not hear him
179call anybody names. Did he call you a name? >> Okay, we are out of um discussion. So, we've had a motion. We've had a second. We are going to vote on that motion. All those in favor signal I. I >> I >> oppose. >> Nay. >> It fails. We are going to move to our and acknowledge our student board member um that has a comment around the topic that we are discussing. >> Right. Thank you, Miss Moore. >> One moment, Miss Delgado. >> He said we're going to wait on that. Okay, perfect. Okay, we're gonna go back into our same vote position. So, we have two individuals for consideration for vote. We have Mr. Furry and Miss Ramirez. We will start with Mr. Furry and move to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor for Mr.
180Furry to serve as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I. >> Those opposed. >> Nay. >> We have >> nay. >> We have Miss Ramirez considered for vice chair. All those in favor for Miss Ramirez to serve as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I I. >> Those opposed? Nay. We have before us the consideration of vice chair. We have two individuals that have been nominated. We have Mr. Furry and Miss Ramirez. We will begin with Mr. Furry and move to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor of Mr. Furry serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I. >> Those who are opposed, >> nay. Nay. >> We will move to Miss Ramirez. Those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I. >> And those
181opposed? >> Nay. We will move forward with consideration of our vice chair. We have two individuals before us for consideration. We have Mr. Furry and Miss Ramirez. We will begin with Mr. Furry and then move to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor of Mr. Furry serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I. >> Those opposed? >> Nay. >> We will move to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I. I >> those opposed. >> Nay. We will move forward with the consideration of vice chair. Before we before us, we have two nominations. One for Mr. Furry and one for Miss Ramirez. All those in favor for Mr. Furry to serve as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I. >> Oppose. >>
182Name. >> Nay. >> Miss Ramirez. All those in favor for Miss RmIrez serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I. >> Those opposed. >> Nay. >> Mr. Delaney, if we were to recess until tomorrow night, would this be considered um one continuous meeting? Um it I think it depends on the context. I don't believe that there would be any negative impacts on um the other issues that I addressed earlier if the board were to to recess. Um, and I I think that the coherent argument could be constructed that the um meeting was was continued to another meeting and as opposed to tableabling it to a future meeting. >> I am unable to serve as chair for that reorganization tomorrow. I will not be in the country tomorrow. Okay, we will move forward with
183the consideration of a vice chair. We have two individuals up for consideration for vice chair. We have Mr. Furry and Miss Ramirez. We will begin with Mr. Furry and then move to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor of Mr. Furry serving as vice chair, please take no vote by I. >> I. >> Those opposed? >> Nay. Nay. >> For Miss Ramirez. All those in favor of Mr. Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal the I. >> I. >> Those opposed. >> Nay. >> We take a fivem minute recess. >> Absolutely. Five minute recess. We'll be back at 9:50. >> Water. >> There's a water fountain. together in 1 it. Okay, we will bring this meeting back together at 9:53. The item that we are considering is the individual that will serve as vice chair of
184the board. I want to confirm that we have two individuals that are moving forward as candidate for that position. We have Mr. Furry and Miss Ramirez. If no additional discussion, we will move right into the vote. All those in favor of Mr. Furry serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I. >> Those opposed. >> Nay. Nay. We will move to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I I. >> Those opposed. >> Nay. Okay, we will continue to to move forward with the selection of a vice chair. We have two individuals up for consideration. If no discussion, we will move forward with the vote. We have Mr. Furry that we will begin with and then go to Mr. Ramirez. Starting with Mr.
185Furry. All those in favor for Mr. Furry to serve as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I. >> Those opposed? >> Nay. Nay. >> We will move to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor of Miss Ramirez Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal by I. I. >> I I. Those opposed. >> Name. We will continue to move forward with identifying a vice chair. All those We have two individuals that are for consideration. Miss Mr. Furry and Miss Ramirez. All those in favor for Mr. Furry to serve as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I. >> Those opposed? >> Nay. Nay. All those in favor for Miss Ramirez to serve as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I. >> Those opposed. >> Nay once again. and just putting it out there if anybody
186wants to withdraw. We will move forward with a vote. We have uh we'll start with Mr. Furry and then move to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor of Mr. Furry serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I. >> Those opposed, >> nay. Nay. >> All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I. >> Those opposed? >> Nay. We will move forward with the selection of a vice chair. We have two individuals for consideration. We have Mr. Furry and Miss Ramirez. All those in favor of Mr. Furry serving as vice chair, please signal by I >> I. Those opposed, >> nay. Nay. >> We'll move to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal by I. I >> I
187opposed. Nay. We will move forward with the consideration of the vice chair for the 2526 year. We have two individuals for consideration. We have Mr. Furry and Miss Ramirez. We'll start with Mr. Furry. All those in favor of Mr. Furry serving as vice chair, please uh signal by I >> I. >> Those opposed? >> Nay. >> We have Miss Ramirez. All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal by I. I I >> those opposed. >> Nay. Mr. Delaney, um though I am chairing the board, am I able to add comment? >> Yes, ma'am. >> Okay. Um I'm because this has been kind of going on for some time which you know, that's just a part of the process. I think it's ju important that we refocus on um or we
188just bring back to the forefront of our remembrance um what our core mission, vision, and guiding principles are as the organization. um those individuals who've never heard or watched a board meeting and maybe they've they're listening now because you know somebody said they're they're voting over and over for this item. This may seem like theatrics to those individuals but those who come to these board meetings on a regular basis they know that we typically end these meetings looking at our vision our mission and our guiding principles. So, um, those of those people who are are locked in with the board, uh, our board meetings will not find this out of order. They will find it common practice. And so, as we continue to move forward uh, with the selection of the vice chair, I I
189want us to um, I'm just going to read to us our u mission, vision, and our guiding principles. And so our mission says that Flaggo Schools ensures educational success through high expectation and innovative thinking in a safe learning environment to empower students to reach their full potential as responsible, ethical, and productive citizens in a diverse and changing world. Our vision is to be a courageous, innovative leader in education. Flagless Schools will be the nation's premier learning organization. And those of you who have heard me uh read this mission um this vision before, you know that I say before we can be the nations, we have to be Flaggler's premier, Florida's premier, and then the nation's premier learning organization where all of our students graduate. They graduate as socially responsible citizens with the skills necessary to
190reach their maximum potential. And then our guiding principles, our way of work says that we're going to always keep our children first. Trust and respect for all. We're going to empower others. We're going to operate with teamwork. We're going to have excellence, quality, and consistency. We're going to be commitment committed to individual needs. And then of course, you know, my favorite is get to yes, right? Um, and so we're going to get to yes within a system that will allow us to continue to to say yes. So, as we have this, I just wanted to add that um to the forefront of our discussion as we consider the position of vice chair for the board for the 2526 um school year. Um if no additional discussions, we will move forward with the vote. Um we
191have any discussions? I'm sorry. We will move forward with the vote. Uh we have two individuals for consideration, Mr. Furry and Mr. Ramirez. We have uh we'll start with Mr. Furry. All those in favor of Mr. Furry serving as the vice chair for the 2526 school year. 2526 year. Please signal by I >> I. >> Those opposed? >> Nay. >> We have uh Miss Ramirez for consideration. All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as the vice chair for the 2526 organization year, please signal by I. I I >> opposed. >> Nay. >> Didn't we talk about convening the rest of the meeting or and then coming back to this? Uh what was that option again? Is there another option? The other option is to uh recess this reorganization meeting and then convene our lease
192incorporation meeting in hopes that we can identify um we have a president as our chair. We can identify a vice president in that lease incorporation meeting. The the only problem I see with that is that again our board policy says that we need to elect a vice chair tonight and the vice chair is goes on the um cops um board as as the vice president. Um we and so there therefore we still have a uh we will we may or may not elect somebody to that seat in that in that if we do that. Um and again then so we we we'll still have to come back to this and then maybe even redo the cops to put that person back in place. I don't know. But um one problem solves the other. The other
193one creates more of a problem if we jump over it and come back to this. So that that's my concern. Um all it's doing is delaying the inevitable need which is to elect a vice chair tonight. >> Mr. Delaney. >> Sure. Um based on the review of the um leasing corporation's bylaws and discussion with bond council, it is permissible for the board to have different people serving as vice president of the leasing corporation and um vice chair of the board. So if it were the will of the board to go to the lease incorporation portion of the meeting, resolve that or the slate of officers or um determine who those officers were. They don't have to be the same people serving as the chair and vice chair according to leasing corporations bylaws, but I would
194recommend that the board if it decided to go that route and deal with leasing corporation officers, it still come back to this issue. Well, the only way I I would support that is if we're if we're concluding that we're we're not going to elect a vice chair tonight because otherwise there's really no reason to to move on unless that happens and that we we'd have to reconvene at another meeting to to do the vice to elect the vice chair. So, um, I still think it's prudent that we complete what we're supposed to do tonight and elect a vice chair to this board before we leave to go home tonight. Unless there is a motion to go in a different direction, we will remain in the item of selecting a vice chair for the board. If
195no discussion, we will move into the election of a vice chair for the board. We have two individuals for consideration. We have Mr. Furry and Miss Ramirez. We will begin with Mr. Furry and then move to Miss Ramirez. We will start with Mr. Furry. All those in favor of Mr. Furry serving as the vice chair for the board for the 2526 year, please signal by I >> I. >> Those opposed. >> Nay. Nay. >> For Miss Ramirez. All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as the vice chair, please signal by I. >> I. >> Those opposed. >> Nay. >> Okay. We will move forward with the consideration of a vice chair for the board. We have two individuals for consideration for that position. We have Mr. Furry and Miss Ramirez. We'll start with Mr.
196Furry. All those in favor for Mr. defer to serve as the vice chair. Please signal by I >> I. >> Those opposed? >> Nay. Nay. >> We will move to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as board chair, please signal by I. >> I. >> Those opposed If no discussion, we will move forward with the consideration of a vice chair for the board. We have two individuals for consideration, Mr. Furry and Miss Ramirez. We'll start with Mr. Furry. All those in favor of Mr. Furry serving as the board chair, please. Vice Chair. All those in favor of Mr. Furry serving as the vice chair, please signal by I. >> I. >> Those opposed. >> Nay. Nay. >> All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal by
197I. >> I I. >> Those opposed? Nay. We will move forward with the consideration of vice chair for this organization year. We have two individuals for consideration, Mr. Furry and Miss Ramirez. We will begin with Mr. Furry and then move to Mr. Ramirez. All those in favor of Mr. Furry serving as the vice chair for the board, please signal by I. >> I. >> Those opposed, >> nay. Nay. >> We will move to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as board chair, please signal by I. >> I. Those opposed. We will move forward with consideration for the vice chair. We are now at um vote 40 for this position of vice chair. We will we have two individuals for consideration. Mr. Furry and Miss Ram Ramirez. We'll start with Mr. Furry.
198All those in favor of Mr. Furry serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I I. Those opposed? >> Nay. Nay. >> We'll move to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I. >> Those opposed? >> Nay. Mr. Ramirez, I know you are very wellliked in our community. You know, you have a lot of respect and I just ask you to reconsider um because I know in the future you'll you'll definitely have an opportunity to to serve in one of these leadership capacities. I just want to try to, you know, have us all come to an agreement >> and I thank you. I appreciate it. And I know a lot of us are very well, you know, liked from the community. We see
199them day and day. Um, but and I know you keep asking for me to reconsider or someone, but specifically me, which is fine. Um, but I would ask that you may reconsider your nomination because not saying that who you nominated would not be a great vice chair, but we're going in to, you know, a new year. You saw the dedication that I've put in as a board member into this board, and I will continue to do it. And that's I I said if I won this campaign, I was gonna work so hard for it because it meant that much to me. And I know everyone said the same thing. And I worked for it. And you know, I nominated myself for it. And this would be going into my second year. That's not uncommon for
200a second year board member to be a vice chair. And for me, I mean, it I I've so you asked me to reconsider, but I would ask you to reconsider. You know, this is for our community, for our board, and it is a board decision, like you said, Mr. Furry. It is, and we are the board. And we have four people. And this is a role that I I worked for. I feel like I I worked really hard for it. And I think when you know you're asking me to reconsider, I can't reconsider how much work I put into this role and I would never turn um I would never go back because and I'll keep working harder. Like I can't wait for the next liaison assignments, you know, but um but so I can't
201reconsider because I I know that I earned this. I worked really hard this year to for that role and um you know I would think you know for someone to nominate someone it would be on reasoning of you know their hard work and dedication and how much they put into the role and you know what being in that position could do. So if there was, you know, not a chair present, then the vice chair would step up and, you know, that I would be able to fulfill that duty and as well as all of us because we're in it day in and day out, but you know, I I appreciate that you're asking me to reconsider, but I want you to think what you're asking me because I just to me it doesn't make sense
202so how you're asking me that. But I do appreciate you asking me, but I worked really hard for this role and I really feel like, you know, that the whole point is is that and I would just wonder I guess I just question, you know, your nomination, you know, I I I understand, you know, Mr. Furry will do a great job and he will and he has. He's he's been our chair and he was the chair prior and you know it takes dedication and and you're in this role now and you're going to do a great job and you have support for that but I just ask you to think what you're asking me when you know this is a a role that you've seen the work that's been put in from everyone. So, but
203thank you Well, I I will say that, you know, I believe every board member up here is dedicated, has put the work in, including Miss Ramirez. That's part of the job. That's part of being in this role. And I and I'm I'm grateful that that uh we have a board member in Miss Ramirez that that is dedicated. Um I I I've seen in that in the time that I've been here you can be a board member that uh does the bare minimum and does nothing. Um and that's not an effective way to lead. Um but you know that it no one was campaigning or running for chair. there's not a a process of you saying, you know, hey, I'm I'm there are there are elected chairmanships that are, you know, at large in different communities,
204but this is a uh this is a position that is elected amongst the peers on the board. And it's not about how much you do in your job as schoolboard member. We all have those roles. We all do those things. But it is to earn the vote of your fellow board members on your ability to lead the board in the role of chair or vice chair, which is a important position. It's not something that we just say, "Hey, give it a try." It is a it is a role that keeps this organization going. And I I when we talk about experience, we both have memory um resumes off this dis, right? I know you're a very accomplished business person. Um I could argue I I have the the same credential uh in business. So, and
205and many other things in the 50 years that I've been on this planet. So, but on the board it is clear that in the last two years I've been elected the chair if I have the most experience in running and keeping this board uh moving and it has and we've done that and that is why I feel I'm the best person to take this position at this time. I I believe that in in the future, Mr. Ramirez, and I'm just speaking to you because I have a vote here, and this is not a personal thing about your character or who you are or your efforts as a school board member, but I have to consciously make a decision here on who I feel is is the is the best qualified uh for this position. And
206you know, again, I'm not trying I'm just trying to make a point here. I didn't seek out the the position. I was nominated for it, but I don't disagree that it was not a a good nomination. If we're looking at some the best person to fill the job. So, I'm hoping you're not taking this personal because it is it has nothing to do with that. I don't really think you do, but I just want you to know that from from my heart, this is not personal. This is really about the position itself and um you know you you you know the the FSBA is one area where you can grow and there are other areas where you can grow also and in the future I believe there's if if a future board decides um then
207you you maybe you jump right over vice chair maybe you get chair um So, but as of tonight, I I think if we really look at it, if we were just looking at it on paper, right, I think that it would show that I'm the best qualified to take this role as vice chair for the 2526 um board year. So, I'm just I'm just talking to you as a fellow board member and a person and um that's why I'm voting the way I'm voting. If no other discussions, we will move forward with the selection of a vice chairman. We will begin with Mr. Furry and move to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor of Mr. Furry serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I. Those opposed? >> Nay. >> We >> thank you.
208We will move to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal by I >> I. >> Those opposed >> nay. uh board um or Miss Chong U chair Jong what was the second option that we had uh we needed if you can remind me the motion that we would need for the other option. >> Mr. Mr. Delaney, will you review that again for clarity? >> Sure. What the board is looking to do is um go to temporarily um recess the organizational meeting, go to the lease incorporation meeting, uh vote on the officers for that and then come back to the organizational meeting. So it it could be a motion to recess the organizational meeting for the board in order to go to the lease incorporation meeting, >> but
209this would still continue tonight. >> That's for the reasons that we've discussed before. I would recommend resolving this issue to be in compliance with your policies. Are we hold for the cops? Are we holding up other people are out here in the audience? The audience is our staff. Um, and then community members. Yeah. No, I mean our staff is here. They they're here till we finish. >> Well, like I said earlier, it if we it it doesn't make any sense to move on to the cops unless we we we table the chair vote because we have to come back to it anyways. And the chair is supposed to to to be the the vice president of the cops. So there there's no point in moving on and then coming back to this. It doesn't solve
210it doesn't solve anything. >> Mr. Delaney. >> Sure. I was just going to recommend to keep us on track from a parliamentary standpoint to see if we have that motion, see if it has a second, and then see if discussion is warranted. So, I'm not sure if Mr. Ramirez was making a motion to recess the organizational meeting to go to the lease incorporation meeting. >> May I ask a question? Um, but we would also need um as mentioned to vote in the like a president for that as opposed to a vice chair. So, >> you don't recommend it, but it it's a an option. >> The the leasing corporation has a president and a vice president, which traditionally those spots are filled by the chair and the vice chair. But in reviewing the bylaws of
211the lease incorporation and in discussions with bond council, uh it was agreed that the president and the vice president do not have to be the same people as the chair and the vice chair for the regular board. >> I don't think that would solve anything. >> What was that? >> I I don't Yeah, I don't think that that should be the route to go. So at this time there is not a motion to do anything differently than where we where we are. And so I'm just going to reiterate what Mr. Delaney is saying and then we will move forward with where we where we are in order to conclude in order to um establish our obligations for the leasing corporation. We can move forward to that meeting without a vice chair. Traditionally here in Flaggler,
212the vice the vice president of the leasing corporation has been the vice chair. However, that is not required. We have the uh we have uh the recommendation to continue to identify a vice chair in order to be in alignment with our policies. However, it is possible for us to table this item and it re be brought forward at a later date in order to select a vice chair. Those are all of our different options. Okay. Right now, where we are is with voting for a vice chair. If anyone, any board member wanted to make a motion, you could motion any of those items that we have just explained, it would of course need a second and then we would go to a vote. I think the concern was the length of the duration between um
213being able to make that or reconvene for the vice chair because she's out of town uh and you cannot uh chair the meeting unless that can be done remotely. >> We cannot do it tomorrow. But if it was if it were tabled, it is we can bring it back to our next scheduled meeting or a special meeting be called for this one item. I just wanted to get clarification on that because my understanding as you read earlier, Attorney Delaney, that if we if we tabled the appointment of the vice chair that that would be in violation of our policy. But if we if we recessed the meeting and reconvened at a date certain to continue the meeting, then that would be acceptable. Was I without violating our our board policy? Was I understanding that correctly?
214I think that would be the best way to characterize what the board's actions would be is that they the board is recessing the organizational meeting to a future date um where it would continue to to take up this work. Um, and then you could say that we that the board is um complying with its policies because it's just doing a recess or a continuation of the organizational meeting at a future date. >> Mr. Ramirez, how long will you be out of town? >> Till I'll be back Monday. Um, the date is the 24th of November. I move to table the organizational meeting for a later date. >> I second. >> Okay. vote. >> We have a motion for a tableabling of the reorganization meeting and a second. Is there any discussion? >> And this is
215a reset. >> I'm sorry. There is a motion to table the It was a table, right? I'm sorry. Will you restate your motion? >> Correct. To table it. And then my understanding was that allows us to pick it up uh at the next meeting. So, we have a motion to table the item of vice chair um by Miss Ruddy. We have a second by Miss Ramirez. Is there any discussion? >> But does this fall within our policy to recess? >> Yeah. We table then that seemed like it it was in conflict with the policy. What I would recommend doing is that when this item um whenever the meeting is scheduled there, if it's in conjunction with a regular meeting of the school board, you have a section on there that would be um the organizational
216meeting like the continuation of the organizational meeting that would need to be gave in address the business of the organizational meeting and what had the item that had been tabled conclude that business, gavl the organizational meeting out and then go into the regular business meeting. >> Is the is the cops stand on its own? So for example, even though tonight we will if we did this we could move on and appoint a vice president. Um would that close that out that the cops is in place and it won't be affected by the uh >> correct. >> Okay. I just don't know how are we. >> But at this point, I'm getting concerned about everybody's safety and driving home tonight. I can see that some of you are very sleepy. >> Well, um it's it's it's
217my view that I would like us to to complete what we um you know, every every year that I've been on this board, we've we've elected a chair and a vice chair, and I'd like this to not be any different. Um, so that's my my view. I don't think it's a good idea to to table this um or to postpone it. Um, I believe we have a duty to hash this out tonight. I I of course I I would rather not drag on till who knows when, but um I I just I I don't know that it's a good idea to to table this and and and postpone something that is inevitable that we have to solve. It's just kind of kicking the can down the road. >> Any other discussion? Uh, I would hope
218that tableabling it for a later date allows people to um essentially have conversations uh outside of maybe their current mindset to be able to evaluate uh the position from a different angle. Um, and also if somebody were to wish to resend their nomination, I think it's difficult when to do so when let's say you're voting on something 50 times. So I think it helps to separate the emotional element uh that may be at play here. Uh so the the the combination of the consulting and the the breaking of the emotional um element that may be at play I think will allow uh maybe a vote to play forward in a more productive way on a second date. >> May I have the floor? >> Yes. Um I I I would argue that the only discussion
219in this vote is the discussion that we have here with all of us because and we can't discuss this outside of this room uh because of sunshine. So the the the only discussion for voting is between us four board members and that's the discussion that will get us to where we need to be. Um an outside discussion is not is not part of this this vote tonight. >> Mr. Delaney. Um, when we say discussion, uh, and I would imagine that people could still, uh, not with this board, but have conversations, uh, regarding this decision or their continuation in their nomination with people off of the board. And that was my intent in that statement. Is that correct in this case? Yes, ma'am. >> Okay. Any other discussion? Okay. We have a motion for from Miss
220Ready to table the item of selecting a vice chair. We have a second by Miss Ramirez. If there um there's no more qu any there aren't any more questions, we will call for the question. All those in favor signal by I. I I >> those opposed. >> Nay. And I'm saying nay because I I don't >> The motion dies. >> I don't see how we go forward if we don't. If there are no additional motions, we will remain where we are in the selection of a board vice chair. >> I'd like to motion so I can have discussion. Uh >> what is your motion? >> A motion for t this same last motion we just did for tableabling it for the next so to proceed with discussion. She's asking for the same motion. You don't
221have to make an adjustment >> or unless if if we can have further discussion without the motion. Um >> we are in an item that you can discuss which is the um selection of a vice chair. If you want to go outside of that and propose something else, then I would s I would suggest you make a motion for what it is that you're wanting us to cons wanting the board to consider. >> Okay. So, just uh discussion. Um may I have the floor chair? >> Uh potentially, you know, we have four board members now. We hopefully will have five. I know we have we don't know when timing you just don't know but um you know that could make a difference with anything as well. So I just wanted to kind of just I
222know this doesn't happen often but just wanted to >> I'd just like to speak to that. Thank you. The um again we cannot vote today on what might happen tomorrow. And I say that because yes, in the last time the seat was vacated, we got a speedy appointment from the governor, but we are getting closer to the next election and it's in the governor could choose to not appoint uh or or that appointment could come at a later date. So again, those are that's absolutely a possibility, but it's we we can't govern ourselves on things that may or may not happen in the future. We have to vote on what on the here and the now. And that that's my position when it comes to that because again there is no guarantee that we will
223have an appointment in in a timely manner. and and I have called the appointments office just so you know that I I' I've made the effort to try and and get an appointment. I really wanted a a a third vote for I mean sorry a a fifth vote for this meeting because that's how a healthy board operates. uh but at the uh at the end of the day um it's at the governor's discretion and so but he definitely knows that that we would like that appointment sooner than later >> and and I was just bringing that up too just because we you said you haven't seen this before but I don't know if you had a board of four so and it's a tie and ties can happen and so >> right a tie but
224again we have to operate whether we are a four or whether we are or whether we are five. We we we it it it's it's a disadvantage 100%. But we are still a a functioning board. But right now we are divided on a decision and it is for us to to to keep voting until we get somewhere because tableabling it is not going to solve the problem. I guess the argument is though if you're resolute at this moment in time and Miss Ramirez is resolute then that doesn't make any progress either and sometimes reflecting thinking consulting um and you know uh again removing yourself from an emotional decision can help make progress. I >> I don't see how we're going to make progress tonight because clearly after, you know, five, six hours u and some
225hearty debate, I'm not seeing any movement in either side, which to me in order to progress towards this impa beyond this impass, it looks like the only way to do that is for somebody to remove their nomination or to remove their name from consideration. I don't see that happening under the current confluence of events right now. >> Well, e every every vote stands on its own. Every time a board member votes on on any motion or any call, they have to decide am I going to vote which way. There's you you can't uh guess what the next vote's going to be until it happens. And I would agree with you, Miss Ruddy, on on moving it to another date if it if it was something else. If it was something that did not violate our
226board policy, that is the problem that I have with moving this forward. If it was just a uh vendor payment that we could move on from and revisit it at the next workshop, I'd say let's not hold this up any longer for something like that if we are at impass. This is something that is clearly written in our board policy that tonight we are supposed to elect a a vice chair to this board and if we if we don't do that then we have violated our own policy for our reorganization. >> Mr. Delaney, um I'm wondering if you could provide some advice in terms of policy and law. Sometimes it's about the spirit of the law, right? It is in order to provide a a recommended time. Hey, this is the date in which you
227have your organization meeting. Um and often when we craft policies or laws, we can't um predict every permutation of what may occur. So the spirit is so that in a timely fashion we will annually elect these individuals and not let it linger. So, would we really be in blatant violation of our own policy when we're putting forth good faith effort to comply and make a uh decision and we're not saying, "Hey, we're going to let it float out there in the wind. We've sat here for a good six hours and now we need to um have some time separation in order to hopefully overcome an impass. >> I can't point to specific authority um to support what you're saying. This is unprecedented to me to um experience a reorganization meeting where the board has not
228been able to select their chair and vice chair. So there may be unintended consequences or just consequences that we are not aware of because we're in uncharted waters by continuing that to another date. Having said that, um, in order to, uh, comply with the spirit of the policies and the the recommendation that I would suggest if the board were interested in going that route would be to reschedu for a date certain the continuation of the organizational meeting. Um, but I will leave you with the fact that in 28 years of representing school districts, this is the first time I've ever come across a board that was not able to complete their organizational meeting um at in one set time period and had to look into a continuence and there may be um issues that I
229have not come across or have not thought of because it's relatively unprecedented. Do all school boards um determine their chair and vice chair in the same voting methodology or do they take um let's say seniority or uh in in account do is there a different model you know there are different models for superintendents some are elected so I'm just curious As far as I know, all of the board members uh excuse me, all the boards across the state hold a vote and they select their chair and their vice chair. Um there are certainly some boards that um attach more importance to those roles than other boards. Uh some do simply rotate them based on sen seniority. uh not as an official policy, but that is just how I've seen the vote play out over decades.
230Um so there are different approaches, but it's still ultimately determined by a vote of each board. And and I would also add because I I think this does follow up on what you're saying, I would remind the board that the vice chair only has a role if the chair is unavailable to um attend a meeting. If there are no other discussions or a different motion, we will move forward with a vote for consideration of the vice chair. Are there any any discussion? Any additional um motions? Excellent. We will begin with Mr. Furry. All those in favor of Mr. Furry serving as vice chair. Please signal by I >> I. >> Those opposed. >> Nay. >> We will move to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal by
231I. >> I. >> Those opposed? >> Nay. >> Miss Chong, did you register vote? Nay. If no discussion We will move forward with the election of a vice chair. The we have two for consideration, Mr. Furry and Miss Ramirez. We'll start with Mr. Furry. All those in favor of Mr. Furry serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I. Those opposed? >> Name. Nay. >> We will move to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I. >> Those opposed. >> Nay. >> Again, I'm getting concerned about everybody's safety driving home. Do we want to consider bringing this back again? Um, moving on to the cops. >> Yeah. So, >> if there's a motion on the table >> motion to um >> recess this
232item and bring it back at a second. >> Can and just Mr. Ly, can the can the chair motion while they have the gavl? >> We're still in the um >> Yeah, I'm >> Oh, I'm sorry. My my mistake. Yes, >> it is getting late. Uh so we have a motion by Miss Chong to recess >> the organization meeting and a second >> by Miss Ramirez to recess the reorganization meeting. Any discussion? >> Yes. I'll just restate that uh by doing this we we're we're we're we're not solving the problem that we were in intended to to solve through this discussion. Um I do have a question then for Mr. Delaney regarding the cops. So, if we did do that and then we appointed a vice president, would that be a a temporary and then
233we would reappoint the future vice chair? They would just stay the vice president for the term. >> They don't have to be the same. >> There there was no there would be no reason that the vice president would need to be changed. >> Okay. So, there wouldn't be have to come back and revisit that. Okay. Could we just leave the um configuration from before our reorganiz reorganization event on the cops so that because I don't want that to turn into another stalemate. There would have to be a um nomination for that. So essentially, you would have to nominate the former president to be the current president and the former vice president to be the current vice president in order for that to happen. >> And we'd have to vote on that separately. We couldn't make
234a motion to just say, can we all agree that we keep that as is? >> Um, yes. I think the board could choose to go the route of a slate of officers essentially as opposed to voting for officers individually. >> Okay. >> We have a motion to recess the reorganization meeting. Um we have that motion was made by Miss Chong and a second by Miss Ramirez. Any additional discussion? >> I just want one more piece of clarity on that too. So, if we do it this way, and I know I may have asked this before, but I just want to be very clear on this. If we do it in this fashion, we won't be in violation of our own reorganization policy because we are we're not concluding it tonight. We are just recessing and
235reconvening. Correct. So, we're not going to be uh in violation of our board policy. I want to be very clear on that. I think a coherent explanation that explains how the board is in compliance with his policies can be constructed by saying board was unable to finish that business tonight. Therefore, it's continuing it on to a date certain is going to finish the reorganization meeting at that time. That can be explained. I am going to give you the caveat that this is unprecedented and I cannot guarantee that we have that I have thought of every single u permutation because we're in uncharted waters. >> Can we make a decision about the date to make it a little bit more solid and not seem like we're not adhering to the spirit of the policy? For example,
236re setting it to reconvene on Monday. Um, I won't be here next Monday for Thanksgiving break. We could go to the next week. >> So, um, yes, we would need to set the meeting because it would a date, I'm sorry, because it would be a special meeting in order for us, >> um, >> have to advertise >> to do that. >> Okay. Um and I do want us to consider um that within two weeks of the selection of the vice chair and vice chair um I am to submit that information to the department of education. Um so with that recommendation, I would um request once the board is considering if this passes, once the board is considering the special meeting that we consider not December 9th, but before December 9th, um possibly December 1st or
237December 2nd, so that we can we can get that >> that week of December, I will be out of the country. So I I can't do that. The FSBA FSBA is December 2nd through the 5th. >> So, we could do it on the 1st. >> What week? Uh, Mr. Furry, are you out? >> Not if we're driving to Tampa. We can't >> because December >> I thought it started on the 2nd. >> I know, but the chairmanship starts at like 7:30 in the morning. >> Oh, I see. >> Good. >> Um, yes, Mr. Delaney. Um, I would also remind the board that policy 151 of regarding the organizational meeting says that in November of each year, the board shall organize by electing a chair and a vice chair. >> Has to be this month. So,
238um, Miss Chong, do you want to continue forward with your motion or are you rescending your motion to recess? I >> I I don't know how this is going to work. People are leaving the country, going out of town. I mean, >> yeah, it it really should be resolved tonight. >> We can't sit here on Thanksgiving and when people have plans and family coming over, >> are you rescending your vote or you >> resend it? I mean rescending your motion. So Miss Chong is rescending her motion to recess the reorg meeting for until a later date. Is there a motion to recess the meeting to convene the cops and then come back to the reorg? Nope. No problem. All right. C >> can you say that one more time? I I apologize. >> Um I
239wanted to just clarify Miss Chong's um recess was for recessing until another day or recessing to the cops. >> Um I mean we're recessing this vote to another No, we're not doing that now. >> Yeah. So that's not there. So, I'm at I'm making sure that there's not another motion on the floor to recess the reorg to the cops and then come back to the reorg. We're going to continue with the reorganization meeting is where we are right now. We will continue with the reorganization meeting unless there is a different motion. >> Correct. >> Okay, perfect. So, we have Mr. Furry and Miss Ramirez to consider for the position of I'm sorry I need to just write this down cuz cuz I'm keeping notes to not have to go back and rewatch the the whole
240thing for other votes. So, excuse me. Um, we have before us a consideration for the vice chair. We have um Mr. Furry and Miss Ramirez. We'll start with Mr. Furry and move to Mr. Ramirez. Those in favor of Mr. Furry serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I. >> Those opposed, >> nay. Nay. >> We'll move to Miss Ramirez. Those for Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal by I. I >> those opposed. >> Nay. >> May I have the floor chair? >> Yes. >> Okay. Um, I just one thing I I I I'm just a little confused over about some of the comments tonight um from Miss Ramirez is that the she claims that she's worked so hard for this tonight. And I just I'm a little disconnected with that statement
241because I have never heard in the in the last year once at a board meeting that her desire to seek either of these seats, chairman or vice chairman. Um so the first we're learning about it is this evening. And so the intention that she was working toward was not made clear tonight to to for us to consider that. Um which we could have that could have been brought up at a at a workshop saying, you know, hey, you know what? I I really would like to seek the chair seat. I mean, that is something that doesn't have to be done, but it it it it it tonight we we just discovered your desire to take either a chair or vice chair seat. And so I'm just that's that's where I'm at here. And it and
242it's clear that you're fighting hard to get this one of these positions. And so we've heard everything. We've we've we've voted several times and the board has not been convinced. And um so again, you're in your first you're you're in your first year uh completing your first year going into your second year. You have three years left on your term. uh Miss uh Chair Chong is is and I are the most tenured on the board and uh she is now the chair and I've been nominated to do vice chair which as Mr. Delaney said the vice chair only steps in when the chair cannot do their obligation. So the experience part is kind of moot because unless the chair is not there, you're you're you're not going to be chairing the meeting. So um therefore
243being the one who has chaired the board for the last two years have chaired other boards outside of the school board throughout my career. Um I am the most qualified and I believe that's why uh Chair Chong nominated me to take that role to fill in when she is not able to fulfill that duty. Um, and I I think that's that does speak some volume that, you know, as her, the newly elected chair, uh, is is seeing that I'm the best candidate to do that to fill when she's not in in that place. So, again, she's only one vote, but I think there's some merit there. >> Thank you. May I have the floor? >> Yes. >> Um, well, first of all, thank you. Um, second, discussing if you want to be chair or vice
244chair during a workshop or any of those meetings. It's one, it's not on the agenda. That's not I'm I'm there to workshop information on the agenda and then I use my free time for my liaison updates and then my board request and then closing comments which I always focus back to our schools and our community and our parents and our teachers. I don't focus it on myself, on what I want in this role. And second, if you weren't clear that I would potentially want to be a vice chair or even a chair or none, then I I'm sorry you feel that way, but I have been going to every training and there's a reason because I'm learning and I'm trying to learn and I'm going to continue. And I know like some of you will
245be doing that as well. Um, and you can only do whatever training you can, but if you didn't know that, I would at least want to be a vice chair or a chair from that. I mean, I'm I I mean, that's that's I mean, that's fine, but we don't talk about that. Have you ever seen, well, I I'll at at meetings, we don't talk about that. You don't ask, oh, would you like to be chair one day? I mean, this is something we work together and the opportunity is here. And in my personal opinion, you've already been the chair twice and I even though you have the experience, I have I have the hours. How many how many CBMs hours have you had documented? And you don't have to answer that, but the point is
246I'm learning the material whether it's in the time frame you've been a a schoolboard member or the time that I've been here and I've been going and learning and researching. And that's fine. You know, that's just that's who I am and I can't change that and I won't change it and that's fine. But I'm not going to vote for in my opinion, not myself. I I feel I know I worked hard for it. So, and so I don't I don't understand your question about not hearing it because that's not what we talk about at board meetings, but I appreciate your comment. Um, I'm here to support the community and and it to be a chair and when I know that you're leaving, we're going to have a brand new appointment. I'm not I'm almost done.
247We have to have a strong board. The whole point of that is so why would I not want to be a chair? Because I'm here to be a leader for our community and I've been training for it and I'll continue. So, I appreciate your comment, but it's >> we keep going back to this. He's leaving. He's still a board member, but but M. Ramirez, you will have other opportunities. >> This has been blown like way out of proportion. Miss >> and I I'd like to respond to that because >> Okay, let's give Miss um Miss RDY ask first and then Miss uh >> but I I would like to resp because I it it directly is a response to the last comments. I think it it's prudent for for me to be able to respond
248to Miss Ramirez. >> I would recommend that each board member get an opportunity to speak and then come back to additional board members who would like to address the issue so we don't have too much of a back and forth and each board member gets recognized serially. Fair enough. >> Okay. So miss ready. >> So I think to ask a newer board member that they must at board meetings and workshops let their intention known for a reorganization meeting. means that we have this idea that it is a foregone conclusion that the most tenured people or the people currently sitting as the chair and vice chair are essentially going to automatically swap. though that argument to me um is not the basis to determine whether or not uh Miss Ramirez is qualified or has the capacity
249to perform the duty. The other item is I would encourage our uh board members to listen to the the logic that was just uh communicated that this position is uh not to the extent where uh robust experience is needed. And therefore the argument that the length of tenure is also a moot point and only underscores the point that Miss Ramirez is making that we want to ensure that people have experience while we have the current support of those who have served in those roles. >> May I have the floor now? >> Okay. Thank you. First off, I I just want to say that this was on the agenda. This was the in in our workshop earlier this this month there it was there was an opportunity to talk about it was on our agenda. Um
250but again I'm not I I'm not saying as it has been stated that uh you must do that. I was just saying you've expressed in this meeting how much you really want to take this role on because you feel you earned it and um and I and I don't know what the benchmarks of how you earned it because the only way you earn it is if you are voted into it and um so that's what I was referring to. I just did not know that that was one of your attention. I'm not saying that would have swayed necessarily swayed my vote either way, but I was just making an observation that that I I didn't real I did not realize you had such a passion to to capture this role uh either chair or vice
251chair at at at this meeting today. Um and so I did I did not nominate it myself. I I was nominated. So, I'm responding to that and uh and I I feel that it was merited as I as I said earlier and I I really wish um that the conversation about I'm leaving would would be dropped because I'm not going anywhere. I'm here for another year to complete my four-year term. That has nothing to do with what we're doing tonight. I don't know why that keeps come being used as an argument. Um but the this is more than just the experience of chair. There's there's other things that I have evaluated um about Mr. Ramirez that make me feel that she's not ready for this role and I don't need to error that all out.
252I've done my I know where I stand on those things and therefore uh those are also played into my decision. So, um it's not just that can you can you slap the gavl? Can you move the meeting along efficiently? Um it it there there's more to that and and I and I honestly feel that uh you're you're doing a great job as I think all of us, but I think there's there's some more growth that's that's needed. Um, but that's just my opinion and I'm only stating that because we're I we're doing a vote and I have to we're evaluating each other, right? Uh, I'm no I'm I'm not trying to say that I'm any better board member than you. Uh, but what I am saying is that I have to evaluate the individual for
253this particular role. And that is part of the reason why we we are uh at a at a uh stalemate here. So, I I'll yield my time. >> Okay. Any other discussions? If not, we will move forward with um consideration for the position of vice chair. We have two candidates, Mr. Furry and Miss Ramirez. We'll begin with Mr. Furry. All those in favor of Mr. Furry serving as vice chair, please signal by I >> I. >> Those opposed, >> nay. >> We'll move to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I I >> oppose. Nay. Nay. May I have the floor? >> Yes. >> And Miss Mr. Furry with reference of my statement of it's your last year. What I meant by that was
254next year is your last year. It literally is your last year in the school board. So the next year we will have new people. So it's not saying I mean you have a whole year. That's what it's referenced and meaning there's one year from now until next year to have the two individuals chair and vice chair and then the other two everybody us four whether or not we have a fifth or not we may not not have one who knows that's what that references. So I don't know. I just want you to be aware that's what it means because then the following year it will be new people potentially a new one in between. So that's what that is. So I don't want you to be upset about that. That's what I'm referring to of
255it literally is the last year of you in that term. >> Right. And and and um I'd just like to respond. We've already hashed out that conversation. There's you you will have a new board whether they of three board members whether they are reelected or newly elected and there's no telling who that board is going to choose for the future direction of this board. It has no relevance on what we're doing here tonight. Tonight we have to decide who is going to carry this board forward uh for the remaining year. regardless of elections, regardless of anything, we all have to individually evaluate uh the these positions. I take this very seriously. I I I I I I see this I do not see this as a ceremonial role or that you you somebody just gets
256it because it's their turn. Um it it is uh it is something that that most qualified individuals should be in it. and I and um I'm accepting the the the nomination and I'm um and I'm voting to take that position. >> May I present um just for optics? If I were to nominate myself to a seat, which I would not do because that is not in my character. Um, but if I did not have the votes, then I would humbly concede and and move along and and hope that next year that I would be able to have that chance again. Just consider that optic as well. Neither side has the votes right now. So maybe there should be a humble concession and acknowledgment of the strategy we're trying to communicate here that it's not about
257turn time person. It's about being able to have somebody in one of these roles with those who are experienced serving as a safety net during that year because there is for sure future transition that comes after that year. >> But all I'm saying just for clarity is that I nominated Mr. Furry. Other board members have nominated themselves. >> May I have the floor? Yes. >> And nominating yourself is fine. It just means that you believe in yourself and that you would do a great job at it. So I don't want you to the you know think that that's a bad thing or to for people to think that's a bad thing to nominate yourself because if you don't vote for yourself for something and you we're taught that in school all the time. If you
258don't vote for yourself, why would you not vote for yourself if you don't think that you would do a great job? So, I just want to clarify that. And again, I just to me coming into this, I I would not have thought that that you know, Miss Miss Chong, like that the way I I don't know. I guess the whole point of this board, it's for it's for Flaggler County. It's to and we've already done so much. So building up on it, everyone in should have a chance and an opportunity to be in some type of role. We've already this is a great leadership role. So that's what the point is. And then um Mr. Furry or I believe Miss Chong, one of you mentioned, oh, you know, there's oh Mr. Furry, there's no guarantee
259that you would be chair or vice chair the next year. Of course not. And that doesn't mean I would even want to be it again. It it's giving people the opportunity to be in a role to show and put back to what we are here for. Like we are public servants. We're here for our kids, our schools, our teachers, and making the board run and getting the policies done, which we did a really great job at. And you know, um but it doesn't mean the same people should be in that role. mean and I mean they can if that's what the board would want and that's what people want but there's also an opportunity for people to be in a role. It doesn't matter if it's their second year or their first year or their
260third year. I mean we see it at every every different school board. It doesn't >> Oh, sorry. >> So anyway, I just wanted to put point that out and then it's okay to nominate yourself for things in life. So, I just wanted to let you know that, Miss Chong. >> I'll respect your viewpoint. >> Yeah. And and I'll just say that it's it's it's not a matter if it's the if it's that year, the first year or the second year. It's it's it's, you know, convincing the board that that you that you can fulfill that role. And what Miss Chong was just pointing out is that, you know, she appointed me because she felt I would be the best one to fill that role in her absence and that you nominated yourself for the role
261with and didn't have the votes. I don't have the votes either right now, but I'm just it she was just making a point of that uh in itself. There's there's no there's no shame in nominating yourself. I I mean um I'm not trying to discredit that but I I'm saying I believe there is a difference here um the fact that that I was that I was nominated here and you know we are the the most senior on um in tenure on this board and I and I I really do think it would be in in in in the best interest of the board for you to concede um tonight so that we could move forward and uh there will be um other boards coming forward and can take a shot then. So I mean we're
262we're at 11:20 tonight um and you know if if you withdraw your nomination we can close this out tonight and and move on and we will continue to win as we have been winning. um for the last three years and we we've been winning together. We this is the I would say this is the only impass we've had since that of significance since since you were both elected um and joined this board. So um I think we'll continue that going forward as well. Thank you. And I mean, you also have the opportunity to take yours away as well. And >> um but of course we all have choices and options, but the endgame I I think what what do we feel is really best? Not you keep saying the board >> but we work for
263Flaggler schools. We work for these kids. So what's best for the kids right now? So I would just think about that and you know I just you know you keep saying for me oh if you want to if you want to take it down and you know I mean yeah I could think about that too but I would also like you to think about that as well and just think okay how would it be if if I potentially was vice chair and I I could see how would it be if you were vice chair but I know I've seen you you know I know how it is. So there's other people on the board that maybe the community may want to see in the role and and and that's just, you know, something to think
264about. And it is a tie vote. So and it's not that either one of us would do better or worse or anyone on this board, but I just want to point that out. You could also think about that as well. Well, I I would say that that um you know, you say what's best for the for the community is for us to come to a vote tonight. That's what's best for the community. It's not um the the what's what's best for the community is that we elect a vice chair tonight. And that is speaking for the community. And I believe we all have this organization um as our priority. And I I that that's not an issue here. But again, this is not a this is not a a community ballot. This is a this
265is a vote amongst the four of us. And that and and that's just plain and simple. And I was nominated. And so uh I'm just responding to the nomination. If no other discussions, we will move forward with um our uh vote and election for vice chair. We have two candidates to consider. Uh Mr. Furry and Mr. Ramirez. We'll start with Mr. Furry. All those in favor of Mr. Furry serving as vice chair, please signal with I. >> I. >> Those opposed? Nay. >> Nay. All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I I >> I. >> Those opposed. >> N Are we on a break, a recess? >> No, >> we are not in a recess. Can we have a recess if and I mean if we're
266taking restroom breaks? >> Yes. Recess 5 minutes. >> Thank you. Okay, we will return from recess at 11:31 p.m. The item before us is the selection of a vice chair for the 2526 year. We have two individuals for consideration. We have Mr. Furry and Miss Ramirez. We'll begin with Mr. Furry and then move to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor of Mr. Furry serving as vice chair, please signal by I >> I. >> Those opposed. All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal by I >> I I. >> Those opposed, >> nay. >> We can move forward with um a revote um reconsideration. Um unless there is a motion to do something different. If not any discussion. Okay. We will move forward with a vote for vice chair. We have
267before us Mr. Furry and Miss Ramirez. All those in favor of Mr. Furry serving as vice chair, please signal by I. I. Those opposed? >> Nay. >> We will now consider Miss Ramirez. All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I. >> Those opposed? >> Nay. We will move forward with consideration of a vice chair. We have before us two individuals. We have Mr. Furry and Miss Ramirez. We'll begin with Mr. Furry and move to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor of Mr. Furry serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I. >> Those opposed, >> nay. >> All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I. >> Those opposed. >> Nay. We will we will move forward
268with the consideration of our vice chair. We have two candidates, Mr. Furry and Miss Ramirez. We'll start with Mr. Furry and move to Mr. Ramirez. Beginning with Mr. Furry. All those in favor for Mr. Furry serve as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I. >> Those opposed? >> Nay. Nay. We move to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal by I >> I. >> Those opposed. >> Nay. >> Miss Moore. >> Yes. >> Um I would like to know from uh I can understand the selfinterest Mr. Furry has to continue. However, uh and also honoring the nomination that he was provided, but um I would like to know what is uh the vehement objection to Miss Ramirez's um taking the potential helm of this vice chair
269to the point, Miss Chong, that you have to continue this beyond what is reasonable with the arguments that we we've laid out. I mean, Mr. Fur's argument to my understanding has been tenure, but then it you we've discounted that. It's been uh you know, experience. We've discounted that. And the last item is really his honor to the nomination that he's received. So, in essence, that's putting it in your lap. >> No, no, no. First of all, we're all continuing this. Okay? We are all sitting here because Delaney. I'll ask her to be in order, please. >> Don't put this on me. >> Mr. Delaney, could you please um remind uh Miss uh Chairman Chung, Chairwoman Chong of our norms? >> I would recogni I would recommend that all the board members um wait to be
270recognized by the superintendent um before they speak. I'd like to have the floor. Um, this is not about anything about self-interest. Um, the I mean, it's it's it's it's very clear that I was nominated for this role. I've have the experience. You say you discounted all those things. I don't know that everybody agrees with you. Um, so, you know, All I can say is we we we we we we have to keep voting because there there has to be an outcome here at some point. There has to be I've already said it that Mr. Furry he is experienced. He is capable for this. This is not even that big of a deal. Mr. Ramirez will have other opportunities. And at this point all of us are being stubborn. This is not just about me. Well,
271that argument quote, "If it's not a big deal, then why not provide some of that experience to so that we can extend that strength among the board members in what will inevitably be transition?" That's that that's kind of the the curiosity that I have >> at this point. >> You know, do you do you is it what are you objecting to with the the the logic that we're trying to grow another arm, right? If we are going to inevitably um uh lose some experienced leadership, I don't understand the fundamental flaw that you see in growing and cultivating that next generation, that next uh you know uh sorry midnight, losing my words, but that that next succession >> because while Mr. fries here while you're here that we have somebody who has had that experience. >>
272I do think in the future you all will be able to handle that. But tonight I believe that Mr. Furry um is the most qualified. Um I'd like to see him finish out his term as the vice chair and support me in my role as chair. So it again if it's not that big of a deal I'm trying to understand your need to say well he's the most qualified if that role is essentially a role to help groom uh potentially an individual to take the chair role at one point >> because it just it it doesn't >> because I do not think anybody that he needs to be groomed into this position. I would like him to back me up um as the chair. >> So that is so that's I think what we're getting
273at in the crux of the argument is that right there when you say it doesn't need to be groomed, it doesn't need to be trained, then we can remove the argument that experience and tenure is essential for this. So then your next piece which is the new argument you're placing on is you want somebody to support you as the chairperson and so I'm wondering what is that support that you need because otherwise if the role is only to be active in your absence and that's the extent that I put >> words in my mouth. No, I I actually used your exact quotes to make sure that I could understand >> and that's what I'm trying to get because I'm I'm trying to understand your motivation >> when trying to understand y'alls. You could spin this
274however way. >> I'm not spinning. >> One board member, please at a time. Miss ready has the floor. I've made very clear logic, very clear arguments that are outside of an individual's um you know uh soft interests meaning think think soft skills right these are hard kind of facts that I've placed on the table here and what I'm trying to so I I think that's a very solid argument I'm trying to get at the crux of your motivation to continue to vote after vote after vote and not resend your nomination because that's the only way Mr. Fury Fur has made clear that he will uh move beyond this impass. And I'm really just trying to understand is it that you know what support that you you feel you need? Is that something that Miss Ramirez
275can >> uh assure you of in some way? Is it that we're colluding on votes because that's not appropriate? >> You could It doesn't matter what I say at this point. You're going to manipulate it. Okay. It's not like he's going to be, you know, texting me what to do or anything, but I think he is the most qualified person to be the vice chair if I was not here. >> Yes. And I'd like the floor and implying something like colluding votes that is just uncalled for. You know, the the the reality is that this position is not a training ground as you see it. I understand that's the way you see it. Uh I we we I see it differently. Um and I don't feel that Mr. Ramirez is ready for this role and
276that is my that's my determination, my evaluation. This is not something you just get. You have to you have to get the votes of the other board members. Um, so I I really don't I think everything that can be said has already been said here. I really don't know what else to to to say to you. Um, I've laid out the case. I think it's pretty clear that that uh uh Chair Chong has has clearly stated that she feels I'm I'm the the best person to fill that role and that's why she nominated me. So, um, and I think if you look at the resume and and the experience, I believe she's right in in making that call, and I do think it's the best thing for the direction of the board going forward. So,
277that's that's my response to to what you just said. >> May I have the floor, please? >> Yes, ma'am. >> Um, when you say resume, what are you referring to? Our personal resumes? So, I don't think so. I have a lot of experience and as well as you do. So I you can't it's like apples and oranges. It's completely different. Um but also just just and I I said it and just to I'll say it again. Um but being a school board member, we're a part of Florida School Board Association. >> That's a voluntary thing. Just so you know that. Being a schoolboard member, our district is a part of Florida Schoolboard Association. We are a member. So, we are an active member. We pay a membership fee and they provide everything that we may
278need to know in addition to what we learn while we're here with our district staff or, you know, fellow schoolboard members and Miss Moore. So with Florida Schoolboard Association, they provide everything you need to know how to be a schoolboard member. Okay. And providing the training they provide and going to that that's that's what we have and that's what I've been doing. So I don't you keep saying you don't think I have the experience. That's all I've been doing. And the amount of hours I've put in just this year actually it's it's over 70 plus hours and it may be more. And it's not just going in person, but there's, you know, things you can read, articles, research, and that counts as points. I So, I just I just want to make it clear that
279the experience the the time that you've been on the board. That has nothing to do with your experience and and you have the right to think that way and that's fine. We all, you know, that we can think that way. But I want to make sure I mean I don't know if you've have you not been seeing like you know going us all going to trainings together and then you know continuing to go to training. So for you to think, Miss Chong, you know, I'm just you you mentioned you don't think I have the experience, but that's all I've been doing. And I think if we pulled up the amount of hours of the training, you know, I would it it would be interesting to see. And I'll bring up again the chairman academy. It's
280an opportunity. They actually want all school schoolboard members to attend these. And I was like, "Okay, I can't wait to attend even though you're not a chairman and they want you because you learn more and I know you're going into your fourth year and have you had the opportunity to attend any yet?" You know, and it's just these are things like I've been doing it. So, I just want you to know I do have the experience because I've been given the opportunity and I'm taking advantage of using it. So, I just wanted to make that clear because you keep saying that. And then, >> you know, the resume and then the resume aspect. I I don't know what you're referring to, but if you want, if we need to provide resumes, I will gladly pull
281it up. That's fine with me. But it has nothing to do with this. But all right. Thank you very much. >> I'm simply saying that Mr. Furry is the more experienced person. And I appreciate how that you have gone to all of the meetings and that your attendance is perfect. Um, I really do. But I don't think that that's the only qualifier here. Um, we both have been here three years now. We we have the longer tenure and um, again, I would just I would like to see Mr. Furry fulfill this role and for to see you have I I I believe in you. I think in maybe next year, you know, or in the future that that you will definitely step into one of these roles. Um, but right now my vote is for
282Mr. refer. I'm not going to change on that. Okay. Um, we we have done this vote multiple times. Multiple probably is a bit of an understatement right now. And I think that um we you as board members may need to consider looking at other opportunities. Be it a motion to move on to your cops to address an addition additional area. um if we will continue to go forward with this. I don't mind continuing to call it over and over again, but it definitely appears to me that um no one's changing their mind. I mean, we're we're going into over 50 times we have called this vote and I will gladly continue um if that is the desire of this board to continue in that manner. Okay. If there are no there's no additional discussion or
283>> can we I don't know can we um discuss the dates again? I know people were saying dates that they were here or not here but I wasn't quite sure which dates because potentially maybe there is a date in November. I'm just curious is this >> there is no motion on >> regard to this >> because the only discussion right now is on voting for the next vice chair. So I motion to move to cops and then potentially discuss dates. So we have a motion to recess this meeting. Move to cops and move to the cops meeting. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Okay. discussion. >> Um, I know we were talking dates earlier and maybe we can see if there is potentially a date in November that all of us are here that
284obviously is not Thanksgiving because we didn't really just we can look at our calendar potentially and just see. I know that was an option at one point, but we didn't really look at the date. >> I'm not willing to postpone. >> Would anyone like to look at dates to see if there was an opportunity >> Saturday or Sunday? I mean, full plan of uh my of next week. Can you say those dates again? Maybe we can all look at our calendar. >> November 29th and 30th. >> Yeah, I'm good. I am available. We have a motion to recess the reorg and move to the comps meeting. We have that motion made by Miss Ramirez, a second by Miss Ruddy. Any additional discussion? >> Yes. Um, I don't think this is the appropriate thing to do.
285I think that we should we should do what we set out to do tonight and finish it. Um, rescheduling this is not going to um I I just it is not what we should be doing is is is moving this vote for another day. >> Our attorney I'm sorry, go ahead. Our attorney is saying he's not available. >> Yeah, that I mean it this is the this is the holiday season. Many people are down. I mean, it's it's it's going to be very difficult to get back here to do this. >> Did on November 24th that which is Monday, did someone say >> I will not be in the state? >> Got it. >> And on the I was thinking Friday evening, but you will not be here. >> No. >> Yeah. I cannot do
286it. So, we have a motion to recess um to the cops meeting. That motion was made by Miss Ramirez and seconded by Miss Ready. >> Any addition? So, is it is that just to move to the cops meeting and then reconvene or is that to move to the cops meeting and table this? I don't Has that been addressed in the in the motion? >> We c we can't table it, but no, I don't. >> Miss Ramirez, can you clarify your motion? >> So, now that I I mean, do we have to have this done by November? Is because that's per the policy. Is that what you were stating the last time? Because that's what I was trying to find out was if it does have to be November. I was first trying to see if
287there was a date in November that everyone would be able to attend. And again, that was the step one of this. So, >> the board's policies say that the organizational meeting will be accomplished in November. And there's some other obligations in terms of reporting to the state that that should also occur on that time frame. >> So I think the motion is the motion is to table this move to cops identify a date in November that we can reconvene regarding the reorganization meeting. That's essentially what >> Well, is is that is that the motion? Is that your motion? >> Miss Ramirez, please restate your motion. the mo I motioned to move to cops and then it was second so then we could discuss a date because we wouldn't be able to move to cops if
288we did not have a date. So it appears that there is not a date that those that need to be in attendance. Is that >> are you rescending your motion? >> Well, I want to see I I want clarification. Is that can is are is everyone able to attend a date or no? Because if not then I would resend my motion. >> I'd have no date available in November. >> So then I resend my motion. >> Miss Moore. Go ahead. >> Yes. You know part of governing and um leading for your constituents is about compromise uh meeting in the middle uh many times. And so far what we're seeing is that there's some recommendations in order to alleviate this impass or to have folks kind of um understand a a different logic other than an
289a 10-year succession. And so far we've heard I refuse to change my vote. I refuse to meet on a different date in November. The these are all things that are not conducive to really serving our our community, right? We want to be able to move past this. We want to be able to come to a decision, but if we're saying, "Well, we can't do anything else unless we come to a decision." But you're also saying that I refuse and I'm unwilling to listen to a different side or perspective and I refuse or unwilling to find another date to reconvene so that I can think about this that both parties can uh confer uh with um members not of the board uh in order to determine if they're going to uh resend their nomination. it. We're
290essentially just kind of trying to force something that is not going to happen then this evening. >> May I have the floor? >> First of all, nobody's >> Wait, Miss Ready, are you Were you finished with your your statement? >> Yes, ma'am. >> Okay. Yes, Miss >> Nobody's refusing. Everybody has clearly stated that they have plans. Okay. And I would like to ask y'all, Miss Ruddy and Miss Ramirez, the same question you're asking me. Why don't you want to change your mind? We've made arguments. What we haven't said is that we're unwilling to change our vote. And the arguments on the side, and that's where I was trying to get to, well, what is at the crux of your uh um diehard support to have Mr. Furry as the vice chair is to understand what
291that argument is besides well he's the most experienced because you've already both of you have refuted essentially saying that this role isn't that big of a deal or needs that much uh experience to execute on it and so I'm trying to really understand what your logic is in order to not essentially provide some extension to a newer member uh again while we have some experienced members on the board and I haven't received that a clear answer other than I want him to back me as the chair. I want or I would like to see him finish his term as uh vice chair. Those are not compelling reasons that help uh that are based in uh setting us up for success. Those are personal reasons. >> I asked you a question and you are not answering
292it as well. I have given >> I'm sorry then I thought I did. What is the question? >> Why do you all do you all not want to change your >> because your argument has not been substantial. >> Okay. I think that yours is not either. >> I've also not said that I'm not willing to meet in another date in November. Um, I've also not said that I'm not uh close-minded on the vote. Those are all comments that I and I don't believe I'd heard Miss Ramirez say either of those comments either. >> But you're accusing me of that. >> I'm not accusing. I'm I'm stating you said it. You said I'm not going to change my vote. and I'm stating that >> so that's where I'm trying to come up with okay what can
293we do to break this moment so that perhaps at another time we can but then Mr. Furry is not available for any day in November. >> We voted 50 times and nobody's changing >> the night. The date for this vote is tonight. That's why it was scheduled. This has been scheduled for over a year from from the uh from the last reorganization. Uh this is the night that we take care of this business. And as Mr. Delaney said it is unprecedented for us to not um elect a vice chair in the night of the scheduled reorganization meeting. And we are here to do that. And I believe this is the night that we're going to do it. And we all have uh commitments outside here to reconvene for something that that we can solve tonight.
294is is is just is not necessary. We need to we need to finish this in this meeting. It's the way it has to be. >> You know what this is indicative of to me? So over the course of the year, the only time that um I have tried to compel people or convince people to vote on a particular item different from maybe what their mindset is or even bring certain um opportunities to workshops. And many times those are uh maybe asked five or six times for additional information. This to me tells me that something as what you you guys have already said is relatively minor. Unless even if Miss Ramirez were to vote with me, we will never I we will never be able to um move on any issue outside of what essentially you're
295saying the two of you believe in. And so that it's essentially saying you're unwilling to kind of work across the board. And um that is that's probably more concerning to me than anything else that's going on here. >> Well, I'd like to have the floor. Uh that is not true. Um this the two things don't have anything to do with each other. Uh this is merely a role that steps in in the in the event that the that the chair cannot fulfill it. All right? Whether that be for one meeting or many meetings, whatever the case may be, that's what this role is, okay? Has nothing to do. And to imply that that that how many votes have we had as a board that have been five 4. We That's not true. What you just
296stated about the fact that that this this is a a a divided board. it has not been as I said earlier this is the first impass that we've really had uh as a board. So I would argue the the contrary that things have been going very well. Now the votes may not turn out always the way we did but we discussed it. We moved on and uh and we've moved this this organization forward. So that is not a fair characterization and that's not a that's not this is not a glimpse into what the future holds when it comes to voting. We vote based on you bring your argument, I bring mine, we look at the policy, we get input from staff and then we make our final decision. It has nothing to do with who's
297the vice chair or or the chair. Uh and as a matter of fact, you know, as in the dynamics of things that you're you're alluding to here is that, you know, the chair doesn't typically make motions, right? They So there's there's no um some type of collusion that you're trying to to put out there. I I just don't think that's a fair characterization in your argument. >> No, the argument isn't about the chair siding one way or the other. It's about us as a board in being successful in voting on items with the missing fifth member. What the observation is is yeah mo many votes have been uh for zero because um they haven't been necessarily um outside the norm or uh what are typically business administration things that we vote for. the few times
298where there has been some difference of opinion and I've tried to take uh and bring in the um spirit and um information that's happening in the classroom. Uh I've been outvoted because u of whatever. But what I'm saying is that even if I were to convince one person on this board, would it be that we would continue to have this type of a deadlock? That's what I'm worried about. >> That has nothing to do with the voting. I mean, that what you're what you're presenting has nothing to do with voting on policy. >> It is. Well, what I'm saying is it's it's our ability to compromise, work together, see each other's arguments. Again, I you know, you're saying, "Hey, we're not listening to your argument. I listened to your argument. I tried to dissect it.
299I questioned it and I still don't see it as being anything but personal. So, if you give me a better, more compelling argument, then we could break this tie." Right? But I have not seen that. And so to to be to become um uh essentially stating, you know what, this is it or the highway and it's going to be tonight and ever. You know, she's got to be out of town tomorrow. She's clicking on the clock here or the clock's counting down for her. It, you know, then come up with a better reason than come up with an argument. >> That's what we've been doing for hours here. that the I've made it very clear. There's nothing personal about this. Okay, I've made that clear. You just don't accept. The thing is you think that
300your view and your argument is so wonderful and so well constructed that you're you're discounting everything that the other people on this dis are saying as it's as if it is it doesn't hold any weight. So I would argue that I we dis well I disagree with your arguments and as I had said I have measured Miss Ramirez on her on the merits and I do not feel this is the time for her to to take on this role for >> what m ready I'm going to bring it back to myself we are going to take a brief um recess again uh we will come back together uh shortly. ly. So, a brief recess bring this back to the dis at 1210 coming back from recess. Uh the motion before us is the selection of
301a vice chair to the board. We have two individuals that are nominated to serve as the vice chair. We have Mr. Furry and Miss Ramirez. We will begin with Miss Furry, I mean Mr. Furry, I'm sorry, and then shift to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor of Mr. Furry serving as vice chair, please um signal by I >> I. >> Those opposed. >> Nay. >> All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I I >> oppose. Nay. >> Nay. Um are there we will consider the position before us of vice chair. We have two individuals for consideration, Mr. Furry and Miss Ramirez. We will start with Mr. Furry and move to Mr. Ramirez. All those in favor of Miss Furry, please signal by I. >> I. >>
302Those opposed? >> Nay. >> For Miss Ramirez. All those in favor signal by I. I. I. Those opposed? >> Nay. Anyone willing to resend their nomination? We will consider the position of vice chair. We'll begin with Mr. Furry and move to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor of Mr. Furry serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I. >> Those opposed? >> Nay. >> All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I. >> Those opposed. >> Nay. >> So again, I will put it out there. What are your reasons for not wanting to change your vote, Miss Ready? Miss Ramirez, >> did did you need me to explain what I >> Okay, you have Miss Readyddy. I don't know if she has answered my question. >>
303Wait, can you say that one more time? Sorry. >> Uh, you have stated your reasons. I just didn't know if Miss Reed. Okay. So, let me know if you need anything further. So, my reason is, and I'm sorry, Mr. Furry, I know you've requested that we not reference this before, but it is the foundation of the argument that M. This is Mr. Furry's last year. Point blank. He is not up for re-election. He does not wish to be. He's moving on to something else. So it's not a question of if he doesn't get elected. So in the abundance of information you've shared where you're saying tenure and experience and resume are important. neglecting the certification hours that Miss Ramirez spent preparing, then that means we need to ensure we have that knowledge of those proceedings
304to ensure continuity. When Mr. Fury Furry is here over the next year. He can help support the both of you in giving advice on how to run the meetings because once he's gone, right, it's the three of us and you potentially and I don't I know uh it's been said we only need to think about here and now, but I'm sorry that's where my brain goes. My brain goes to long-term consequences of decisions. So, if you do not get reelected, now we have two people who've been here for two years who've never served in that role and three brand new people. That's my argument. Um, well, I'd like to respond. I'll just once again say that I don't vote on hypotheticals and those a lot of the things you keep bringing up are hypothetical arguments
305and they're not they should not be considered when voting today. We're talking about a vote today, not a year from now, not 6 months from now. We look at what we have in front of us today. We are a board that was uh called to make this decision and um we are now on the 50something vote. Um and uh so we we uh need to keep voting until we have a vice chair. This is this is what tonight was for. Miss Chung, did I fully answer your question and resolve any concerns you have over the logic that I'm voting on? >> Um, that I don't know. >> And so, you know, Miss Chung, most of what I said was not hypothetical, right? The only hypothetical is if you do not get reelected, even if you
306do, that is one experienced board member who has sat in one of those two seats. I just don't agree with the logic because I'm sure in the past there have been other board members. I don't know if Miss Msaro served before uh Will and I showed up. I I you know, I don't know. This is not uncommon. Um, and like I said, I feel the most comfortable that if I were not here that Mr. Furry could do the job and that in the future, one of you will also be able to and have the opportunity. May I have the floor, please? Um, thank you. Is there a reason that you feel you I mean just because now we're basically still going back and forth about things but the training that I have completed and continue
307to complete I have already received a certification and I'm getting very close to the next one which is the goal of this organization which shows and proves that you have the training and the expertise. So, and I understand, you know, Mr. Furry, you know, a lot of people, you're not going to go to the same training over and over again potentially, but things change. And I will tell you those that budget, those two budget ones I went to. I'll just use those as an example. There were schoolboard members there that have been a schoolboard member for going on 16 years. And I was like, "Oh, what are you doing here?" And they said, "Things change, especially this year." Right. But, so I I get what you're saying. I don't like watching movies over and over
308again either. Right. But there's new there there's always new opportunities. So I just wanted to make sure I I hope you understand that. And you know I'm going to these if it if it works in my schedule I go. And I I make it work in my schedule basically because I chose this role. So I don't see how you would not feel comfortable with anyone that has gone through all these trainings and the hours that covers exactly what this role entails. So, and you know, maybe I mean I know we don't hang out, we don't talk other than at meetings, but I'm sure you're aware that we're going to these meetings or these trainings and then you know learning more and you know obviously and attending different events and that's the whole point of this
309role and I know it's optional and I know you mentioned that but we're already paying paying for this opportunity and if you don't do it, what's the point of being in this role? We have to learn the tools and we're given them. So, I just want to make sure you understand. I don't know. I mean, I I don't see how you don't feel anyone else would be able to run in that position. And so I don't agree with you and I know you can, you know, um, but I guess my hope is that you would understand that for that position, you know, you have to know things and train for it. And that's clearly what I've been doing. Um, you know, and you'll be going to your chairmanship. But I I just want to make
310sure and I've already stated that while I respect it, it's that you attend the meetings, it's not the only qualifier and that I believe in the future you will have more opportunities. If I had attended every single FSBA uh meeting that is available, I still would not expect to to that I would be nominated into something. Um, I I appreciate that y'all have um voted me in his chair this time around. Um, but um I do not see it as a guarantee. And Mr. Furry, were you you were chair your first year as or was it your second year? >> I was chair second year and third year. So, but I just wanted to clarify, you know, I do have the training so for the role. But, um, you know, we're a team. Everyone here
311is. And another thing I I guess I'll bring this up. I just I I feel the last, you know, per few months, you know, some of the the roles I know we're all very busy. Everyone is. We all work. We all have children and doing things but at these meetings we have to stay on top of things and I feel that I would be able to stay on top of things and you know all the liaison updates like we are expected to present liaison updates that's part of our role and if we don't then no one knows what's going on at the community in the community and so I feel like that has lacked a lot And it shouldn't because then a lot of campuses, they are the ones that hurt from it and the
312families that are supposed to get these updates. >> Now we're just attacking each other. >> No, no. I'm I'm trying to explain that I feel I will be able to keep up with that. So I I'm just trying to understand from what you're saying that you don't feel that anyone else on the board would be able to fulfill that position. And so I'm just trying to let you know that clearly other people can also do it as well. So it it doesn't have to be just the same person over and over again. So So if I relent my vote then you are also saying you are not going to give up your nomination for yourself. Does that make sense? Wait, are you asking me a question? If I were to to say, "Okay, you know
313what? I give up." You know, you have stood your ground and said, "I nominated myself and I I deserve this position." Well, I already mentioned why I think that I would be great for the role. I have the training for it and I would hope that you as the chair would see the training that has been taken place by all the board members and when someone works hard and they have the training how are they not ready for that role so I just what you're saying it just it doesn't >> make sense way and then also and also and then also let Miss RmIrez industries >> and also as the chair your role you you're supposed to govern the board the the board and you have to feel I mean I I mean I would
314think everyone on here would be a great fit for the the role so if there's more than one and then we have two really great candidates for the role and you know I'm just sorry this is getting louder Um, so yeah, I mean I already said I nominated myself because I know that I can do the role and you know, so hopefully that answers your question. >> And my logic is like I've said that you will have other opportunities in the future. And I don't think that's a reason. I I I don't feel like that's a good reason. Like, oh, you'll get your chance next time. You know, like it's not about a chance. It's, you know, this has been going on. I've been working hard as much as everyone else. And I just want
315to let you know, you you keep saying that, you know, she she doesn't have the experience, but I clearly do for that role. The role is what we've been trained for and what we're continuing to train for. Please understand, I'm not saying you do not have the experience. I said Mr. Furry is more experienced and qualified. >> And we have we just have to May I have the floor? >> Yes. >> Are you done? Okay. Um this this whole thing comes down to two things. One, you were nominated and two, you were either voted in or not voted in. And that that is it. So you you know you've nominated yourself. The the votes were not there for your nomination. Uh Miss Chong nominated me. Um the the and we're voting and but but you
316don't want to concede because you really really really want this. But I I I I just you you want this more than the than the board is seeing you for this position right now. And so the I can only assume that that's why you're you're you're not conceding. Um I think Chair Chong has made compelling argument on from her side. I've spoken to why I've accepted the nomination and so that's where we're at. So again, the next thing to do is is to is to to vote again. >> Miss Moore. >> Yes. >> Um I feel that statement discounts my vote uh that you know we're clearly split. This isn't that she doesn't have enough votes. She doesn't have the majority of the votes. Uh and again I stated earlier that when we first went
317around I said that I was nominating myself for chair and Miss Ramirez for vice chair. I only removed that nomination when uh I was not chosen as the chair to nominate myself as vice chair. So it's not that she did not have a nomination of another board member either. And I've made I I believe it was three hours ago that I made that point clear. >> I'd like to have the floor. So if if we go back, the reality is is that you voted for yourself for chair and you tried to choose out of the gate your vice chair. So you made it pretty clear upfront the way you wanted to see the board look like. And then when you had the opportunity to nominate Miss Ramirez as vice chair, you nominated yourself. So I
318would argue you you you never really did nominate Mr. Ramirez there. So I I don't think that's a fair argument. You had that opportunity to do that at the time when we were nominating uh candidates for this and you chose yourself and didn't carry. So that's the reality of what what took place. I did care, but I nominated myself because I did not win the votes of the chair. What I'm clarifying is that if we had gone through and then did another nomination round after that, we would have had because I even withdrew my own name. I voted against myself so that she would get it, right? So, how else is that not a nomination? I I respect you for, you know, you did not hold things up. You withdrew your nomination when you did
319not have the votes. And um you know, I I just hope that um someone would also do the same. >> It's a different situation. I had only my vote clearly. >> And may I have the floor, please? Thank you. And I don't know exactly what you said Mr. furry but of me oh I really really want it and you know it's not that I have earned it it's not that I want it I I earned it the training and I know I would do a great job at the role so that's why I am voting for myself because this vice chair role it is important because if the chair is not there we need someone to run the meeting and you're representing our our district so and it's not saying you wouldn't do a great
320job I'm just saying I want the role because I have worked hard for it and I know I would do a great job. And that's what we do. We tell kids, you you do what you want to do, what you know you're going to be good at. And I have been going to all these trainings. Why would I not want to even try? So, and I like I don't know if that answers your question, but it's not like, oh, you really really want it. It's not that. And not it's not meant for anyone everyone every all the time anyway. So like we you could have a a school board with an individual that may never want to be vice chair because they may not want to hold that responsibility that may not be their what
321they enjoy to do. But I just feel that after this year, the training that I had, so the opportunity for myself to nominate myself, cuz that's what we do. And at a lot of school board districts, that's what individuals do because it's they're small boards. We only right now we have four. If we had five, you still sometimes have to nominate yourself or you, you know, or only one person's voting or two because it's a small number. So that it's just the math. Math is math. So that's just how that works. But you know, so just wanted to clarify that it's it's because I worked for it. I haven't been learning all this for nothing. And you want to put what you learn into practice. So I feel that this would be the opportunity to
322put everything that I learned into practice. Thank you. >> Okay. Well, I mean these are you you got certificates. That's great. you you put in the time, but there are other measures to decide when voting for the person that's going to hold this role. It's not just you didn't you keep saying that I I worked for it. I I I earned it and the the you have not convinced the board that that is the case. Uh we have all educated ourselves in different ways. Uh I've been members of board of other associations that are not the FSBA and and got education from them along the way. There FF FSBA is just one organization. It's it's basically a trade organization for the school district for the school board. Um and some school districts don't even aren't
323even members of the FSBA. It's an optional thing. Um and yes, we do have those trainings. I've been to many of them and traveled to the distant places that they have them. And mind you, every time we go, we have to pay more to do those things. So, I don't necessarily duplicate it because uh if I'm going back, if it's if I don't feel I need it, I don't need to put the district at an expense of, you know, 500 for my hotel for for the cost of the class, the plus plus that they charge us, right? Um, I would go if I felt there was if I needed a refresher course, right? But I'm I'm three years in here. So, and uh and and and these updates, we get them in real time now.
324So, yes, the the FSBA is has is really great for a a new school board member. I appreciated all that cuz when you come on there's a lot to learn about, you know, school governance and they do provide a robust uh education there. But then you also have to look at your your leadership in as a board member and going into the role uh of either a chair or a vice chair. and you sought both tonight and neither one has panned out both by an individual nomination of yourself and we don't have the votes. So, um I agree with Chair Chong that uh they're going to there's going to be opportunities in the future as you continue to grow as a as a board member. Um but in in in my view, right now is
325not the time. Thank you. And I disagree with the training because not knowing the training that runs this district will affect the district and the students and the faculty and the staff and things do change. So I I disagree with you. So I would, you know, consider that um you know with things change every year. So I would just possibly rethink that. But you know I appreciate your comments. Um and you know thank you. Okay. Um we will consider the item of vice chair of the board for the 2526 organization year. We have two individuals for consideration. Mr. Furry and Miss Ramirez. Beginning with Mr. Furry. All those in favor of Mr. Furry serving as vice chair. Please signal by I >> I. >> Those opposed. >> Nay. >> Going on to Miss Ramirez. All
326those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I. >> Nay. >> All those opposed? >> Nay. >> Okay. We won't call >> Mr. Delaney. Uh if we were to make a motion to um table at a specific date this vote and not and only a quorum of board members were able to be present, are we allowed to still vote and uh proceed on the vice chair decision? the board um can hold a meeting as long as a quorum is present. Okay. So >> then I make a motion to table the vice chair decision for a date where the quorum can be present and move to the cops uh decision where the standing names on last year's cops roll forward to this year. >> We have a We have
327a motion from Mi Miss Ruddy to uh table the reorganization meeting to a later date and proceed to the cops um meeting. Is there a second? >> Second. >> We have a motion and a second. Any discussion? >> Yes. So, what what date? Uh we've already discussed that already. We don't have the availability to come back in November. >> We're allowed to hold the vote as long as we have a quorum which means as long as three of us can make any date in November work. >> So you >> at one point Mr. Ramirez will be out of the country and then the next week Mr. Furry will be out of the country is what I understood. If we want to that that's what I was trying to get at earlier. >> So that's right
328there. >> I say put a >> you want to schedule a meeting when you can get the favorable outcome that you want. >> No, I didn't did I spec specify a week? I did not specify a week. So Miss Moore, what I recommend is that we put all the dates in a hat that you are available and Mr. Delaney is available that are in November and we pull that date and that's the date and if it lands on a date where one of us is out of town that's >> should we just then do that? >> So we have a motion before us to table the reorganization and proceed to the cops meeting table it to a later date and proceed to the cops meeting. That motion was made by Miss Ready. We have a
329second by Miss Ramirez. Any other discussion before we call for the question? >> And I thought, if I may, >> um I thought I heard the motion also said that the previous year's um officers for the lease incorporation would roll forward. >> Correct. >> I'm sorry. Yes. >> Can Can you repeat that? >> Yes, I will repeat the the motion that we have. We have a motion to table the uh vice the selection of the vice chair and proceed to until a later date. We have uh and proceed to the lease incorporation meeting with the previous officers serving again this year um as the lease incorporation officer. So the vice the president will would be Mr. Furry, vice president would be Miss Chong, I would be the secretary and Miss um Patty Warmick would be
330the treasurer. That is the motion that we have on the table at the moment. It has been seconded by Miss Ramirez. >> If we're going to put names in a hat and you all agree to that, you might as well just flip a coin right now as Mr. Tucker suggesting. I'm not saying that we should, but that's the same thing. >> Well, I think this solution is more elegant and if somebody really wanted to be there, they'd find a way to even be there remotely. So, it also is indicative of somebody's interest and passion to serve in the role. >> Okay, we have a motion and a second. We are going to call for the question. All those in favor of tableabling the meeting to tableabling the selection of a vice chair to a later
331date and convening the leasing corporation with the former members serving in the same um positions. Please signal by I >> I. >> Those opposed. >> Nay. >> The motion fails >> again. unwilling to work with a compromise. >> Can I like to have the floor? >> You know, I I find it uh just comical that you continually say that we are not that we are not >> I make a motion that he's out of order. Again, he's referencing me specifically. You you just said I'm not on top of that. >> Rude. >> You just char you just charged something at at us saying that we will not compromise. And so you I would argue that that that is the the case on your side too. So >> I have come up with three different configurations
332of compromises and all of them have been shot down. >> Well, because they they're just not >> have the floor, please. Yes. >> Um I we talked I don't know when it was but potentially a date in mind. So then if we can find a date it sounded like everyone was willing to potentially if there was a date where we could have a well now a quorum that we know. So, if that's an opportunity, we >> have an attorney that I know of that's going to be willing to chime in on this on Thanksgiving weekend. >> And that motion failed. So, we're back to voting on on the uh on the vice chair. So, shall we call the vote? Before us for consideration is the position of vice chair. We have two candidates, Mr. Furry
333and Miss Ramirez. We'll start with Mr. Furry. All those in favor of Mr. Furry serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I. >> Oppose. >> Nay. All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I I >> oppose. Nay. >> Nay. We will consider the item of vice chair. We will begin with Mr. Furry and move to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor for Mr. Furry to serve as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I. >> Those opposed, >> nay. Nay. >> All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal by I. I I >> oppose. >> Nay. We will consider the position of vice chair. We will begin with Mr. Furry and move to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor
334for Mr. Furry to serve as vice chair, please signal by I. I. I. Those opposed? >> Nay. Nay. >> Moving to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor signal by I. >> I. >> Those opposed. >> Nay. We will consider the position of vice chair. All those in favor of Mr. Furry, please signal by I. >> I. >> Oppose. >> Nay. Nay. >> Miss Ramirez. All those in favor? >> I I >> oppose. >> Nay. Okay. >> Is it the desire of the board that I continue to call the vote? >> We we must. There's no we have no other option unless another motion is on the table. >> We will consider the item before us which is the assignment of vice chair. We will begin with Mr. Furry and then move to Miss Ramirez. All
335those in favor for Mr. Furry to serve as vice chair, please signal by I. I >> I >> oppose. >> Nay. >> All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I I >> oppose. >> Nay. >> Furry. I'm sorry. Did you? >> Nay. >> Thank you. I agree with the what has been stated multiple times tonight that this board has been extremely um um high functioning and successful. Definitely um great civility in the role um that you guys have and it has been uh an honor to work with you guys um this past year and I will continue to call the question. We are on item we're on the 60th time um with um multiple recesses and motions that have failed. Um we have to find a
336way forward. Um and if that is me just keep calling the question then absolutely I will continue to call the question. Um, we are going into time 60. >> I would just like to agree with Miss Moore. You know, we have I think we've worked very well together considering our previous board. Um, and I I think we will continue to work well together. Um, again, I I can only state it so many times. You know, Mr. Mars, I believe you'll you'll definitely have an opportunity in the future and you'll be a great chair or vice chair. Um but um I choose to continue to support Mr. Furry um in his last year here as the vice chair. Okay, we will call the question. We have Mr. Furry. All those in favor for Mrs. Furry to
337serve as the vice chair, please signal by I. >> I. >> Those opposed? >> Nay. >> All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I. I. >> Those opposed? >> Nay. Okay. We will move forward with the consideration of vice chair. We have two candidates before us, Mr. Furry and Miss Ramirez. We'll begin with Mr. Furry and move to Miss Ramirez. Starting with Mr. Furry. All those in favor that Mr. Furry serves as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I. >> Those opposed? >> Nay. Nay. >> All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal by I. I. I. >> Those opposed. Nay. We will move forward with the consideration of vice chair. We'll begin with Mr. Furry and move to Miss
338Ramirez. All those in favor of Mr. Furry serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I. I. >> Those opposed? >> Nay. Nay. >> All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I. >> Those opposed? >> N. We will consider the item of vice chair. We have two candidates for vice chair, Mr. Furry and Miss Ramirez. We will begin with Mr. Furry and move to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor of Mr. Furry serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I. >> Those opposed? >> Nay. >> All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I I. >> Those opposed? >> Nay. We will consider the item of vice chair. We have before us Mr. Furry and
339Miss Ramirez. We'll start with Mr. Furry and then move to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor for Mr. Furry to serve as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I. >> Opposed. >> Nay. Nay. >> All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal by I. I. I. >> Opposed. Nay. Is there any alter I mean I hate to do this but can we make any alterations to our own policy to roll this into December >> to uh make a change to policy we need to go through rule making which is the multi-step process and notification so we don't have uh sufficient time to change the policies Peace. Did we want to look at the dates again? I mean I I like was it Mr. Delaney? None of those dates for
340you. I just wanted to >> um >> state dates, but I just want to clarify. >> So I had conflicts on the Saturday the 29th and Sunday the 30th. Um, at this point I I would hesitate to know how much time to reserve for this meeting. And I think that necessarily is a consideration if we try to reschedule it because I don't know how many hours it would take. >> Thank you. We will consider the position of vice chair. We will begin with Mr. Furry and move on to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor of Mr. Furry serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I. >> Oppose. >> Nay. >> All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I. >> Oppose. >> Nay. We will
341consider the position of vice chair. We have before us two candidates, Mr. Furry and Miss Ramirez. We will start with Mr. Furry and move to Mr. Ramirez. All those in favor for Mr. Furry to serve as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I >> oppose. >> Nay. >> All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I. >> Oppose. >> Nay. Madam chair, can I be recognized? >> Yes. I would point out to the board that policy 0152 regarding officers um states that normally officers the chair vice chair will serve for one year until their respective successors are elected and qualify. Um but in the event that the office of the chair or in this case the vice chair became vacant, the school board shall fill the
342vacancy for the unex unexpired term at the ensuing regular or special meeting in the same manner as the election conducted at the organization meeting. Um I would just put out for the board's consideration there is certainly um it would not be a violation of policy although it would be highly unusual if whoever uh was selected as vice chair made a commitment that they would um resign from the office of vice chair at some point halfway through the term and time share the position. Um, that's another option that's available to the board that would be within the policies that currently exist. >> Interesting. >> Definitely an option if you all were willing to share. I move to motion that we vote on a time share option for vice chair. We have a motion to time share.
343Um can you identify uh specifically the members you want to consider for that time share? >> I apologize. I move to uh uh for a sorry a vote on a time share for the vice chair role for Miss Ramirez and Mr. Fury >> Furry. >> Is there a second? >> I second. >> Okay. So, we have a motion by Miss Ruddy for a time share between Miss Ramirez and Mr. Furry. And it was seconded by Miss Ramirez. >> Discussion. >> I'd like to hear how you all feel about that. >> Yeah. I I I I that's that's that's not okay. that provision, although yes, it could be used for uh some sort of compromise here, that's not what it was intended to do. Was it was intended to fill a vacancy, not to split a
344chair seat um uh or or vice chair seat. So, I I I I just I I do I do not like that. Again, it's just it's creating something to do something other than what we're supposed to do tonight. And what we're supposed to do tonight is elect a a chair and a vice chair to a one-year term. And that is it. That was what we're called to do. And that's what we need to complete tonight. Um I I I do not support any type of time share just because that I know that's not why that was intended to be written that way. Any other discussion? Okay, we have a motion before us for a >> Sorry, Miss Moore. I was just going to No, it's already >> Do you have a discussion? >> Yeah, I
345was just going to um bring up Thank you, Mr. Delaney, for looking into that. Um, and I I think it would be a great compromise and a different idea and it may be a great opportunity depending how the time share works. I don't know the logistics, but just in making sure that the board runs the way it needs to run and it's thinking outside of the box clearly. So, um, just that's interesting. So, thank you, Mr. Delaney, for looking into that. >> I don't I don't love it, but um perhaps it could help us um you know come to an agreement so that we are functioning as a board together. Um >> it definitely builds the um experience component that I'm hoping for even if um for half a year. So, um, that's essentially what
346I want out of it because I don't really care who it is. >> Are we talking about just the vice chair? >> Correct. >> Yeah. And that is not what that policy was intended to do. And I I I don't support it. I think it sets a a strange precedent uh within this reorganization that is not why that was intended to be in there. Um, we should keep going as we always have. There is a term uh for each position and that is what I believe it should be. >> So, we had a motion, we had a second, we've all um stated our opinion. We should be able to vote on this. Correct. >> You're ready for the question? So, we have a motion for a split time share for between um Mr. uh Furry
347and Miss Ramirez. The motion was made by Miss Ruddy and seconded by Miss Ramirez. I >> want Can I offer some >> Yes. >> I think it would be best if we had some clarification on this. So, um, by my rough calculation, um, whoever would be serving in the first half of that term would serve through the beginning of May, the first meeting in May, I believe. Um, and I I think so it is as uh flexible as possible that whoever was is selected by the board to serve um would just agree that they would resign the position as vice chair, not resign from the board, but re resign the position as vice chair at um the first meeting in May. and then the board would vote to fill that position um from amongst its
348membership. >> And I think additional clarity would be that it would be Mr. uh furry as the most experienced to uh then move the baton to Miss Ramirez at that turnover point or date that we establish in order to provide further clarity. >> The Yes, ma'am. I don't want to undermine that. What I would also caution or be somewhat concerned about is by the time the board gets to May, there may be a fifth board member um at at that time. So, >> right. But wouldn't we have already voted on this is the the requirement unless somebody were to bring it up again and make a motion because we have now five people. That is definitely within the purview of individual board members to do right. >> Can I make a comment? >> Yes. Is
349it possible to settle this tonight vote and like as you mentioned if you if we get another board member and you want to bring it up again um that is also a possibility. I don't know is that a consideration? Well, I don't think that there could be a um a way to remove for the board to remove another board member as chair or vice chair without those persons resigning that that office. >> Okay. Right. >> I've seen other counties do something like that. >> Yeah. I mean, the the problem here is that the way that it is is designed and written is that the the the chair vice chair and the chair are given a one-year term. It it's just unheard of for anybody to uh pre-resign without a specific reason. It it I just
350don't see the the the logic behind doing it this way. And we can't even commit a future board member's decision on on that. um on who will take it on in a after the resignation because that that person has an individual vote. We can't vote for somebody that will be duly appointed or elected depending on when that happens. Um so >> and again we may not have a fifth person at that point. So that's also conjecture. So I think that that's the I we've all said our piece on this. I think we should vote >> and that again anything can be revoted when another board member brings it up and if there's even without five people somebody wants to bring it up and feels like it's going to go a different way it's going to
351go a different way but um it it's also unheard of that a board would sit here for 70 votes and five different compromises come and go without folks budging. So, I mean, again, I'm just putting it out there. We just settle this and move on tonight. If we had another board member, we could do another reorganization. Um, >> but no, we you can't. From what I understand, it would be for a specific term. Uh I if the whoever takes the term has to agree right now to resign on a date certain and then at that time the reorganization would take or the or the vote for a new replacement would take place uh >> for that one role. >> Correct. >> Yes, that's correct. >> Correct. But the but but the solution we're we're offering
352this up as a compromise to have let two two people uh you know just just just to say hey let's just give a little bit to everybody and then and in the end the other person might get the short end of the stick anyways if they're not voted in as the replacement. It just it this does not uh uh compute to me as a solution. >> No, we're not saying voted in the replacement. We're saying date certain May. One person resigns, the other person takes over. We're saying if we do get a fifth board member, if somebody wanted to then bring it up to for a vote to reverse the decision, they could do that. But then we have a a year-long solution should we not have a fifth board member. And we still have
353the stalemate. This is and this is what I think some when we have a motion and we second and we all say our piece then I think we need to vote very often we do have situations where there's a >> you can call a motion to close public comment and and we can vote on it if you want but until then we we we this discussion is open >> but we did we we called a motion for the proposal a second these are just comments in order to try to get your piece out and then we should vote on it >> I think about if you want to end You you are >> I make a motion to vote on this right now. This option >> and you don't have to make a motion. You
354just call for the question. Say we're ready for the question. >> I'm ready for the question. >> I thought I I thought I had that's what I'm like what Simon says thing tiptoe dance do I need to to do? >> So we have before us a motion for a time share. Um the motion was made by Miss Ruddy. It was second by Miss Ramirez. We've had discussion. Now we will call for the question. All those in favor signal by I. >> I. >> Those opposed? >> Nay. >> It fails. >> You know, I think Mr. Delaney has come up with options. I've come up with options. Mr. Ramirez. I would like to hear then what is the solution a compromise to move forward uh from some of the other team members because I I feel
355like anything that we propose or we try to support in order to move forward from this if it comes from certain individuals it's not going to go anywhere. So I I just would truly like to hear you know what we're not realizing is what if there's a permanent impass here. What is your suggestion? >> The only solution is that we have a majority vote for a vice chair tonight. That is what we are here to do today and that's what we have to get to. There is no other outcome that we we have a four member board. We we have to we still have to conduct business and we have to come out to an outcome and it means that somebody on this board will have to change their vote uh or withdraw. Those are
356these are the ways that we we get somewhere tonight. Uh there the compromises. I don't understand why we we where we're being asked to compromise. We are if that is the case we're compromising because we have we lack one board member. uh we've taken our position. If if you feel that you want this to move along, then then you can change your vote. That that uh that that's your option. Um but we have to get to a majority vote tonight to elect a vice chair. That is the only outcome that we can do today. >> But those compromises were also validated by our attorney. So it's not that there's the only option. We that we just proposed something that was very reasonable. Those were options that kicked the can down the road to another day
357and they were options to manipulate the policy to accommodate the impass that we have right now. Now, I understand it may be okay. It may be legal. It may be acceptable and under circum circumstances, but uh I I don't think that that we don't need to do that. What we need to do is do what we were what we're called to do today and elect a vice chair and then move on and and uh continue the great things that we've accomplished so far and and even more in the future. Uh, I'd like to motion to reconsider the split chair role again. >> Um, to call for a reconsideration of a motion, you have to be on the prevailing side of the outcome of a vote. And since the um vote did not pass, that wouldn't
358be possible for anyone who voted in favor of it. What about I guess my uh Mr. Delaney there was two different options though I felt two different types of um split roles. So >> So if you wanted to suggest a different motion than the one that just failed, you're certainly um would be able to do that. something that changes the elements of what just failed. >> Would our and I mentioned it before, but would our policies allow us to reorganize should a fifth board member um join us? But I don't >> I I don't believe there's any reference to that in the policies >> because the way I understand it is that November is when this needs to take place and the only time that we would appoint somebody new if there was a vac
359if if the seat was vacated. So therefore it would take a vacation or somebody to vacate the seat uh in order for us to do anything. Um and again that person would have to agree to now to resign to a date certain. Um and again the the future of that appointment is in limbo uh as well. So I don't know that doesn't really solve the problem at hand. It just kind again kicks it down the road. >> Is there an option to not have a vice chair at all? And um you know if I can't be present then we then we have to vote again for somebody to chair that meeting. >> Um that's not what the policies call for >> those >> and and Robert's rules which are incorporated into our policies. Um, and
360I would just caution the board that that seems like um a a difficult strategy depending on what business may be before the board at some future meeting. If the chair is not able to be there, we've got three remaining board members that constitute the quorum. And if the first order of business, they have to select someone to run that meeting in order to get to the other items which may be, you know, of critical importance. I think that would put the board in a difficult position. >> I apologize. I'm just trying to do anything here. >> Yeah. So, are we There's no motion on the table right now, right? >> No. >> Okay. No. >> So, should we resume voting? And >> are you ready for the question? Um I was going to like for
361discussion um for this just I know we're all coming up with different ways and compromises but to consider all the ideas and compromises that have been discussed and talked about perhaps and reconsider you know any compromises that we have discussed. So I just wanted to discuss that and >> what I'd say is every compromise that has been proposed tonight is only so that we don't complete the job that we're supposed to do tonight. Every single other reorganization has has solved this problem on the night of the reorganization meeting and the the the idea of moving this to another date because we can't do our job tonight. uh halfing the term because we can't do our job tonight. I'm not for that. We are here to elect a chair and a vice chair and we need
362to get that done today for this organization to move forward efficiently >> and we may I have the floor and we have an opportunity to do that because clearly what we've been doing isn't working. So that's why our attorney came up with another idea. And it's there for a reason. For whatever reason, you could you or you or anyone just in general, one could imagine why it was there. But if our attorney has presented multiple opportunities, I think it's something to consider. >> It's very clear. Sorry. >> It's all right. >> I may I have the floor? >> Yes. Okay, it's very clear why the policy is there. It's he's uh attorney Delaney spelled it out. It's for a vacancy of the seat, meaning that that person resigns for some reason. They can't perform the
363duties, then the board appoints. You always have to have a way to refill it. Just like we have there's a way the governor will fill the seat at some point potentially. Uh there's always a way to to fill a vacancy. This is this was not intended to to have somebody be appointed and then resign immediately at a date certain so that another person could have a a go at it. That's just not what this is what this is about. It it is it is an appointment by the board. Uh I I know that that that that you know you had it's clear that there that to to me based on the things you've said today that you clearly had a a strong vision that this seat was going that you were were you would uh
364seek this seat and you felt entitled to it for the reasons that you've stated out already, but we haven't been able to to to get votes for you to to get that. Um, so at this point I'm I'm going to ask you again to uh concede or or or withdraw your your um uh appointment of yourself, a nomination of yourself, and le let's just end this tonight and and and move forward. And there's going to be great opportunities ahead uh for you to to achieve even like we said I said said earlier maybe maybe you go straight to the chair and and um and and jump right over the the vice chair. It's not a it's not a prerequisite that you be the vice chair first before you become chair. So >> I have to
365say I don't like this kind of talk regarding uh almost a promise of a future role to anybody. we need to talk about just here and now because it could sway somebody's vote or they could misconstrue a statement that's being made for well if I concede now then you know Miss Chong will um you know uh pocket my vote for later and I'm definitely not saying that that's true but somebody could at this late hour misconrue those things and that exact statement has been said probably a dozen times and I'm just not comfortable with it. >> Okay. Well, I live in a world of optimism and I think everybody has great opportunities ahead. I don't know how in the world you could think that that was some kind of a promise that of the future
366or an exchange for a vote. Come on. I mean, >> so again, it part of our job is policy. Policy is all about risk and sometimes the unthinkable, what people assume. You never know when you're in their shoes unless you were in their shoes. So, I'm I'm just abundance of caution. I think we should avoid that those kind of statements. >> Can I have the floor, please? >> Yes. Mr. Ramirez and then Miss Sh. >> Uh, thank you. Um, thank you, Mr. Furry. Uh, I want to just let you know I do not feel entitled to the position. I would never feel that way. Um, I just wanted to state that. And it's not that I don't have the votes. You don't either. We're we're tied. And so the reason that I am going for
367this role is, and I'll say it again, it's not for entitlement. It's because I feel that I would be the right person for this role at this time for this next year of this board. So I just want to, you know, let you know that's so >> clarify. I I hear that. But the difference is is that you've appointed yourself and we keep going around in a circle. Uh and and you're not getting the votes and you've appointed yourself. >> I I've been appointed by another board member and so I'm just I'm just saying if if I was in if if it was on if if I was in the other side of this here, I would at some point say, you know what, I I mean I try I tried I appointed myself the
368chair. I didn't work. I appointed myself the vice chair. It didn't work. Um, you know, it's time to move on. So, but that's up to that's at your discretion. >> We'll call to Miss um Chong and then Miss Ruddy. >> Nobody's promising anybody a vote and and we can't do that. I hope I'm here next year, but um we are in the sunshine. That's why we're talking about this now. And uh again, I've stated multiple times, you know, I would love to support one of you. I still can't say which one at this point, but this is where we have to hash it out. But nobody's promising anybody a vote for next year. >> Miss Moore. >> Yes, Miss Ry. >> So, um, with the argument that was just stated that Miss Ramirez doesn't have
369the votes and that Mr. Furry had a nomination. One might argue that the only vote he has is the one who nominated him. While Miss Ramirez, who yes, nominated herself, she was able to convince another board member to withdraw their own nomination, which is a more compelling argument of swaying votes or sentiment on the board than only curring the vote of the person who did nominate you. May I have May I have the floor? So, we're in a different circumstance. We have four board members and we are going to have to figure out a plan and whether that's coming up with plans that we've already discussed and came up with and were creative and that were legal and went with our policy and Mr. Delaney as well giving out ideas. So I I don't know
370how many but I can't imagine there have been many four people boards. I mean at one point but they still probably had to compromise or think through it and ob clearly we've been thinking through it for a while but this is not a normal circumstance. So I know you know you've been a board member a few years longer um and you haven't had this exact sit situation. So we have to expect these you know different ideas and like how can we work through it? How can we get to yes right within reason. So um I just wanted to just remind us all that this is a different circumstance this evening. Thank you. Well, I will say that we did have a vacancy before um although it wasn't at a reorganization meeting uh we we did
371have a vacancy um on on on the board and had a four member board and and we were able to operate just like we have done um you know ourselves. Uh like I said, this is the one impass that we've had since the time that we've uh been working all together. Um that that is significant. um most everything we've come to to to a majority vote at the very least. Um and again this is there there is there is nothing personal or any hard feelings after tonight from from my perspective but um we we have we have to fulfill our obligation tonight and that is to elect a vice chair that's the remaining thing and finish our our cops corporation. So, um it's now 123 28. Um how we're going to get there is that
372there needs to be a majority vote one way or the other uh to one of the two nominees at the moment and and that's how this ends >> or potentially reconsider other opportunities that we've already discussed and think through that. So, there's a few options for tonight. I mean, we've already brought motions. They've failed. Those those are those are not options because they don't all they do is delay what we're supposed to do tonight. That is not that's not the way we should be leading on this board. We should solve the problem that we were were set out to do today. Uh it's very clear on on everything is this reorganization is very well written and very black and white and this is what we're supposed to do tonight not tomorrow. Well it is tomorrow
373but we're still running through in the same meeting but uh we're supposed to do it within this gavvel to gavel we're supposed to finish this reorganization and that that's what we need to do tonight. Miss Moore, can we put uh a board member request to take a look at our reorganization policies so that we can avoid such an issue in a uh four member um board in the future. >> Um we will take that down, but that needs to be brought forward in a regular >> regular meeting. Yes. I'm sorry. >> I hope I'm going to remember it. >> I don't think you're going to forget it. I don't think so either, but my phone's dead, so I can't even write myself a note. >> Um, okay. We are going to consider what is before
374us. And before us, we have um the selection of a vice chair. We have Mr. Furry and Miss Ramirez. We will begin with Mr. Furry and move to Miss Reed Mirez for We will begin with Mr. Furry and move to Miss Ramirez. Beginning with Mr. Furry. All those in favor for Mr. Furry to serve as the vice chair, please signal by I. >> I. >> Opposed. >> Nay. >> All those in favor for Miss Ramirez to serve as the vice chair, please signal by I. >> I. oppose. Nay. >> Nay. We will consider the item before us for vice chair. We have Mr. Furry and Miss Ramirez. We'll begin with Mr. Furry and move to Miss Ramirez. Beginning with Mr. Furry. All those in favor of Mr. Furry serving as vice chair, please signal by
375I. >> I. >> Oppose. Nay. >> Nay. >> All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal by I. I. I. oppose. me. We will consider the item that is before us. The selection of vice chair. We have two individuals for consideration, Mr. Furry and Miss Ramirez. All those in favor for Mr. Furry to serve as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I. >> Those opposed, >> nay. Nay. >> All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I I >> opposed. Nay. another recess. >> I'm sorry. >> Recess again. >> I I would move that we don't recess. These poor people are going to have to get up here and come to work in about 4 hours the more that we delay
376this. If the intent is that we got to sit here and vote, then I guess our bladders could be the determination. >> Well, that's not appropriate. I don't I'm just making light of it, but I'm feeling for these folks. >> If if if somebody needs to take a recess to use the restroom, we're not going to hold them there. That That's ridiculous. So, um uh can we have a um call for a recess? >> Sure. Five minute recess. >> Thank you. back together We will consider the item that is before us which is the selection of a vice chair. We have two individuals for consideration, Mr. Furry and Miss Ramirez. We'll begin with Mr. Furry. All those in favor for Mr. Furry to serve as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I. >> Those
377opposed? >> Nay. >> We'll move to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I. Those opposed? >> Nay. >> We'll consider the item that is before us, vice chair. We'll start with Mr. Furry. All those in favor for Mr. Furry to serve as vice chair, please signal by I. I. >> I. oppose. >> Nay. >> Miss Ready, did you register your vote for Mr. Furry? >> No. Sorry. >> All those opposed. >> So, I have all those in favor. Now, we've moved to all those opposed >> or Mr. Furry or Miss Ramirez. >> Mr. Furry. >> Nay. and Miss um Ramirez register her vote as name. Yes, I did get that. >> We'll move to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor of Miss Ramirez
378serving as vice chair, please signal by I >> I I. >> Those opposed, >> nay. We'll consider the item before us, vice chair. Start with Mr. Furry and then go to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor for Mr. Furry to serve as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I. >> Those opposed? >> Nay. All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair um signal by I >> I I >> those opposed nay. >> All those uh we will consider the item before us. We'll begin with Mr. Furry and move to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor of Mr. Furry serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I >> opposed. >> Nay. >> All those in favor of Miss Ramirez is serving as vice chair, please signal by I >> I
379>> oppose. >> Nay. Okay, >> we'll consider the item of vice chair, we have before us, Mr. Furry and Miss Ramirez. All those in favor of Mr. Furry serving as vice chair, please signal with I. >> I. I >> oppose. >> Nay. >> All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal with I. >> I. >> Oppose. >> Nay. We will consider the item of vice chair. All those in favor of Mr. Furry serving as vice chair, please signal by I. I. >> All oppose. Nay. Nay. All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I I. >> Those opposed. >> N We will consider the item of vice chair. We will begin with Mr. Furry and move to Miss Ramirez. All those in
380favor for Mr. furry to serve as vice chair. Please signal by I >> I. >> Those opposed? >> Nay. >> All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I. >> Those opposed? >> Nay. We will consider the role of vice chairman. We'll begin with Mr. Furry and move to Miss Ramirez. Beginning with Mr. Furry. All those in favor for Mr. Furry serve as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I >> oppose. >> Nay. >> All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as vice chairman, please signal by I. >> I I >> oppose. Nay. We will consider the item of vice chairman. All those in favor of Mr. Furry serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I oppose. Nay. Nay. All those in favor
381of Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I I >> oppose. >> Nay. We will consider the item of vice chair. We'll begin with Mr. Furry and move to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor of Mr. Furry serving as vice chair signal by I. >> I >> oppose nay. >> Or Miss Ramirez. All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal by I >> I >> oppose. We will consider the position of vice chair. We'll begin with Mr. Furry and move to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor of Mr. Furry serving as vice chair, please signal by I. I >> I >> All those opposed >> nay. >> All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I. >> Oppose.
382>> Nay. We will consider the position of vice chair. All those in favor of Mr. Furry serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I. >> Those opposed? >> Nay. Nay. >> All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I. >> Oppose. >> Nay. >> Mr. furry where you're going to say something. I'm sorry. >> No, I just Okay. >> Sorry. I had to clear my I saw you move your seat in my peripheral. Okay. >> We will continue to consider the position of vice chair. All those in favor of Mr. Furry serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I. >> Those opposed? >> Nay. Nay. All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I I
383>> oppose. >> Nay. We will consider the position of vice chair. We will start with Mr. Furry and then go to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor of Mr. Furry serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I. I >> oppose. >> Nay. >> All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal by I >> I >> oppose. >> Nay. We will consider consider the position of vice chair. We will start with Mr. Furry and move to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor of Mr. Furry serving as vice chair, please signal with I. >> I. >> All oppose? >> Nay. Nay. >> All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal with I. >> I. >> Oppose. >> Nay. We are going to are going into
384vote 84. Um again I will continue to call the question. >> Do we want to discuss any more compromise opportunities? Um let's there is a motion on the floor to consider. We would consider any motion at this point. Um there is not there is a motion that is to appoint a chair a vice chair. >> I don't have any other comments. >> Okay. >> Thank you. We will consider the item before us, the selection of a vice chair. We'll start with Mr. Furry and move to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor of Mr. Furry serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I. >> Those opposed, nay. >> Nay. We'll consider Miss Ramirez. All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I. >> Oppose. >> Nay.
385We will consider the item of vice chair. We will consider Mr. Furry first and then Miss Ramirez. All those in favor of Mr. Furry serving as vice chair. Please signal by I >> I >> oppose. >> Nay. >> All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair signal by I. >> I >> oppose. Nay. >> Madam, Madam Superintendent, could I be recognized? >> Yes, sir. I would just um strongly urge the board to to consider the optics of this before we get to 100 votes because I am concerned about the misperception of the good work that this board is doing and that being the the news item or the public perception of this board and if you get to a 100 votes that I think that this becomes a u a larger story.
386So one thing I want to point out here is that we're seeing the democratic process play out and we are at all of us are at a diff disadvantage for a conclusion tonight because we we are absent. So that is what we are dealing with here. And so that's a reality that we're facing tonight. And so we have to do this until somebody's willing to either um withdraw or change their vote. We have to finish this tonight. Do I do I like the fact that we're at at this point? No. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. I I I but but but we have to solve this problem tonight. We have to it is our duty. May I have the floor? >> Um sorry. Um also there's opportunity for compromising that options that we discussed. So, and
387I felt between some of the discussions it started going somewhere and then didn't. So, there's >> I I just understand why are we seeking >> compromise things to consider too. So, all right. Thank you. >> As far as media goes, uh they're never going to write anything nice about me anyway. So, >> yeah. And and and >> really an argument for me >> and and uh the thing is we should not be seeking compromise on this. This is a cut and dry decision. It is there has to be one person appointed to this position. That is it. And there is no other compromise. There has to be a person appointed to this position. There is no other compromise. The only other compromise is kicking it down the road and not doing our job tonight, right?
388or coming up with some uh you know way to to split the term which I I don't agree with that with that option. Um so we have to do this. It's unfortunate it's it's come to this but this is until someone's willing to change their their their vote um we have to keep voting. We we don't have any other choice to solve this tonight. We we will consider the item that is before you for vice chair. We'll begin with Mr. Furry and move to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor for Mr. referries to serve as vice chair. Please signal by I >> I >> oppose. >> Nay, >> excuse me. Nay. >> All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I I >> oppose. Nay. We'll consider
389the item of vice chair. We'll start with Mr. Furry and move to Mr. Ramirez. All those in favor for Mr. Furry to serve as vice chair, please signal by I. I >> oppose. >> Nay. Nay. >> All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal by I >> I >> oppose. >> Nay. We will consider the item of vice chair. All those in favor for Mr. Furry to serve as vice chair signaled by I. >> I. >> Those opposed. >> Nay. Nay. All those in favor for Miss Ramirez to serve as vice chair signal by I. >> I I >> those opposed >> nay. We will consider the item of vice chair. All those in favor of Mr. Furry serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I oppose. >>
390Nay. All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I I >> oppose. N we'll consider the item of vice chair. We'll begin with Mr. Furry and move to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor for Mr. Furry to serve as vice chair, please signal with I. >> I. >> Oppose. >> Nay. >> All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal with I. >> I. I. >> Opposed. Nay. We'll consider the item of vice chair. We will consider the two candidates before us which are Mr. Furry and Miss Ramirez. We'll begin with Mr. Furry and move to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor of Mr. Furry serving as vice chair, please signal with I. >> I. >> Those opposed. >> Nay. Nay. >> All
391those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal with I. >> I. I. >> Oppose. We will consider the item of vice chair. We'll begin with Mr. Furry and move to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor of Mr. Furry serving as vice chair, please signal with I. >> I. >> All those opposed? >> Nay. Nay. >> All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal with I. >> I I. >> All those opposed, nay. We'll consider the item of vice chair. We'll start with Mr. Furry and move to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor of Mr. Furry serving as vice chair. Please signal with I. >> I. >> Oppose. >> Nay. Nay. >> All those in favor of Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair signal with I >>
392I >> oppose. >> Nay. So, I I I think we're going to have to take a a little bit of a recess here. Um because we just can't keep we got to take a little break here. We just can't keep going in a circle here. We're going to have to come back to this. But, um um know right now I'm Are you willing to withdraw your uh nomination of yourself at this time? Are are you willing to withdraw yours or compromise on >> nominated by somebody else? I'm just responding. >> I'm voting as an as a nominated candidate for this position. >> I'm just willing to willing to withdraw. It's 206. Um we have a self-nomination. Um, we've been going around in circles here for quite a while. Um, so the question is, are you
393willing to with withdraw the nomination of yourself so we can um close out this meeting and uh and move on? >> Well, are you or the board willing to discuss the options that we've already talked about? >> Those motions have been made and failed. Uh >> I understand that's also >> uh I mean if if the if if the idea is to move this to another day at this point I mean uh that I'm I'm not for that because um we already we've already gone we we've gone through all those options. We've had motions. We've discussed them. we've they're just not viable options uh to solve this problem. You know, I mean it, you know, Mr. Mayor is all I'll say is that you are one year in into this position. I I applaud your
394ambition, okay? But it it uh it it's it ju it just didn't bring the votes tonight on on with a with a four member board. Uh who knows what would have happened if we have another one. Who knows which way it would have gone, but right now, you know, you you're I sitting here at w with the with a nomination and the experience and the chair wanting wanting me to be that um the new chair wanting wanting me to be in that role. Um, is it time to concede and say, you know what, maybe that there's another day for this position for you in the future and let's just close this chapter, move forward and um be done for the night. Question the equation >> when what? Sorry, I didn't hear you. >> Won't be
395here next year. >> Did you want to take a recess? Is that what you asked earlier before this? I first I wanted to before we do that um I I I wanted to see if you if if you were ready to or willing to withdraw your self-nomination for the for the position of vice chair and and so we can um move forward and end this discussion tonight and this vote tonight and move on and onward and upward from here. Uh, I feel a recess would be good from what you mentioned first if if we're able to do that. >> Five minutes. >> Oh, you're you're you're meaning like a recess tonight. >> I mean um uh >> a break or excuse me. >> Yeah. Not an just >> we five minute recess. >> Thank you.
396>> Have some waters. I thought Okay, we will come back um together. We had a moment of recess and we are back at 2:14 a.m. At this time before us, we are considering the position of vice chair. We will >> um be before uh superintendent before um we call a vote, I I had asked a question of Mr. Ramirez before move forward. Um if she would her self appointment so that we can this forward and um close this out tonight. Are you willing to do that? Well, I'm trying to really think about this just from, you know, I know we obviously we've talked back and forth, back and forth as a group and a board. Um, I mean, I' I'd also like to, you know, just for you to consider too. I mean, I'm just
397trying to think like what do and just hear me out, okay? And because I think we all have been very a very great board. Okay. And um and I know you guys compare stuff from what you've had, but you know just you know so that was your time but from my perspective I feel like this board has been really great together. So in reality I feel that with this position and it is a big role whether someone may say or may not say or whatever it may be but being on this board is is a big role and do you feel that you're ready to do this because I know and just please take this like in a positive way because I know what you're doing what all of us are doing, but it's a
398lot. And I just I feel that, you know, you have to go with your gut with things. And I feel that this would be the right choice. And just hear me out because the timing that it takes, you know, the dedication and then what we have already built so far as a board building meaning the community, the kids, the teachers, everything that we brought up and worked really hard. all of us like first of all the policies is one thing but the second all of us got on this board and I I I really feel that I have that time to do that in that role right now and I feel that I can do it not necessarily I'm better than anyone or you're better than anyone or you or anything like that. It's not
399about that. We all have our strengths and weaknesses clearly, right? everyone does. But at this moment for this upcoming board, just with circumstances from everyone, I just feel like the role would be a better fit for myself in that role now with potentially like just what I've seen, you know, with the board. I mean, you have a lot going on and you have great things going on, so don't take it negative. And and I'm just being honest, you know, cuz I think everyone here would be amazing at that role. And I want to make sure that what's done is done the right way. Not that anyone does, you know, we all make mistakes, but I'm just trying to to do the role that I feel should be done. And that's why I feel so strongly
400about it. I feel that it's the right decision. and you know clearly didn't realize it would be about this time of the day but you know so that that's what I feel I feel like just the timing and then everything I I just feel like that role is the right timing but I mean I just do you feel I mean you asked me how I felt with that and you know but do you feel any differently about that like is this like the timing and everything? I don't know. I'm just and I mean this in the most positive way and and I know it's hard for us, you know, to talk right now um with the timing, but I just want to make sure the right choice is done at this time and the right
401thing is done. And you know, I'm glad Miss Chong has decided that this is her time to to try the chair, you know, and you know, make an impact. So and that that's why so it's not you know any other I just feel like this is the right time and for the role to be done in the way that at least I feel that you know at that it should be done but and I mean that in the most respectful way. So um I I I don't know. Okay. May may I have the floor? >> So, thank you. >> I 100% can perform the duties of vice chair. That's not even a question. Uh, in my mind, the the thing is is that um I did not seek the chairmanship. I I I would have
402had I been nominated for the chair, I would have um declined. Okay. Because I know the demands of the chair um doing it for two years. um to fulfill the role of vice chair um no problem because I'm at every single meeting and to to fulfill that duty is to step in when the chair cannot fulfill their duties. And we have a a a a new chair that um is is going to do a great job. uh has been here for on this board for three years and um you know I'm gonna I'm gonna help her along the way just like I would help any other chair with the experience that I have uh to to help um build them up when when they need it. Right? Uh so again that in itself is is
403a is a reason why um I believe that Chair Chong has appointed me to this um or nominated me I should say excuse me nominated me for this role. So, I've been nominated and I'm responding to that nomination and I'm voting toward that nomination and I'm asking you that with your self-appointment at this hour we it's it's gone on for we know how can't even count the hours now. Um, is it time to say, you know, let let me withdraw and let's move on and let's continue to do great things. And there's a timing for everything in life. And is right now the the right time? I'll leave that to your discretion, >> Miss Moore. >> Yes, ma'am. So once again the argument is that she nominated herself. The antithesis to that argument is technically
404she has swayed one additional vote whereas the vote for Mr. Fury has not swayed any additional members beyond the initial nominating individual and Mr. Fury himself. So, I'm just stating that to not discount uh her equal um chance and not to discount how she entered into this particular vote. >> Fair enough. But I I just asked a question. I'm just making a request. It it either if it's if it's a yes, then we can move on. If it's a no, then we can uh we can go back to voting. I mean that that's that's the options we have right now. So, >> and uh thank you for that. Um, Miss Chong and you know just wondering with now you know with the multiple discussions that have occurred um tonight and different opportunities you know is
405I'm just I'm just kind of I'm just wondering like whether it was myself or Miss Ready or Mr. furry or yourself obviously now, but having you know you being the chair and then knowing that the every the board is fully capable. So, is is it something you know you know is it that you need like a specific person in that role or are you looking for a different um just the skill set? Um or I guess after everything that we've been discussing since the initial hours ago, uh I mean wouldn't you trust anybody on this board to be a vice chair? So I just and I mean you don't have to answer that. I guess I'm just you know I'm just since we've already discussed multiple things so don't feel that you need to answer.
406I'm just throwing that out there that you know this it you know it's a it's a job. It's a position and I know we're all doing the best that we can and just throwing that out there that you know there's a reason I feel that this would be a good role but again you know we're a board working together and >> Okay. So, I guess if if if uh so I guess I I I left the the question open if if you're willing to do that. Otherwise, we got to have superintendent start calling the votes again. Um it's nothing personal. I've said everything I can say. Um I just believe that Mr. Furry is the most qualified right now and that your opportunity will be in the future. So, I can't I can't keep making
407the same comments. All right. So, call the question. I think we h we have to be able to at some point to find a healthier way forward. Um >> I agree. We all have have patients scheduled in the morning. Um, we have children. Miss Moore has to go to Tallahassee. >> So, I will gladly call what we have before us. We have the consideration of vice chair. We have Mr. Furry and Miss Miss Ramirez being considered. All those in favor of Mr. Furry being vice chair, please signal with I. >> I. >> All those opposed? >> Nay. >> All those >> nay. >> All those in favor of Miss Ramirez being vice chair, please signal with I. >> I. I. >> All those opposed? >> Nay. Nay. We will consider the position of vice chair.
408We will begin with Miss Furry and move to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor of Mr. Furry being the vice chair, please signal with I. >> I >> opposed. >> Nay. >> All those in favor of Miss Ramirez being vice chair, please signal with I. >> I. >> Those opposed? >> Nay. We'll consider the item of vice chair. All those in favor of Mr. Furry being vice chair, please signal with I. >> I. >> Those opposed? >> Nay. >> All those in favor of Miss Ramirez being vice chair, please signal with I. I. >> I. >> Those opposed? Nay. We will consider the item of vice chair. All those in favor of Mr. Furry being vice chair, please signal with I. >> I. >> Those opposed? >> Nay. >> All those in favor of Miss
409Ramirez being vice chair, please signal with I. >> I. I. >> Those opposed? Nay. >> Nay. We'll consider the position of vice chair. We'll begin with Mr. Furry and move to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor of Mr. Furry being vice chair, please signal with I. >> I. >> Those opposed? >> Nay. >> All those in favor of Miss Ramirez being vice chair, please signal with I. >> I. I. Those opposed? >> Nay. >> All those in favor of Mr. Furry being vice chair, please signal with I. >> I. >> Those opposed? >> Nay. >> All those in favor of Miss Ramirez being vice chair, please signal with I. >> I. Those opposed? >> Nay. >> All those in favor of Mr. Furry being vice chair, please signal with I. >> I oppose. >> Nay.
410>> All those in favor of Miss Ramirez being vice chair, please signal with I. I >> I >> oppose >> we will consider the item of vice chair. We'll begin with Mr. Furry and then move to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor of Mr. Furry being vice chair, please signal with I. >> I. Opposed? >> Nay. >> All those in favor of Miss Ramirez being vice chair, please signal with I >> I. >> Those opposed? >> Nay. We will consider the item of vice chair. We'll start with Mr. Furry and move to Miss Ramirez. All those in favor of Mr. Furry being vice chair, please signal with I. >> I. >> Oppose. >> Nay. Nay. All those in favor of Miss Ramirez being vice chair, please signal with I >> I >> oppose. Nay. >>
411Nay. >> Y'all, this is uh this is getting ridiculous. I mean, do are we going to sit here till Thanksgiving? >> I don't know. >> I mean, I I just don't know what the alternative is. I mean, I would love that that we would have an alternative, but there we we we don't have one. Uh the we we have to vote in somebody for this position. We've we've dis we've discussed these different options. They've the motions have failed. They don't solve the problem. They kick the can down the road. Some board members can be some can't. Uh just the um this has to be resolved. I it it it it pains me to have everybody here at this hour. Um but the fact remains that we have a job to do and we have not
412completed it yet and we have to come to a we have to come to an end in this vote and and it can't we we can't go until we solve it. >> Is there a motion to do something different? If not, >> the only other thing I could think of is coming back in December, but I'm being told we can't do that. >> But there there seems to be no agreement. >> Or there other options? I think we had a a few on the table. >> Why would you want half a term and and on and and and six months from now? I I just don't understand the the the logic behind that. Is it just is it just to win just to get something? Is that what it is? I I just don't know.
413Um the compromise is is an is is just that that's not a thing. >> Are you asking me that question or >> Yes, >> you are you're you're asking me that? >> Yeah, I will ask you that because we keep coming back to that compromise too. And you know it's it's why would you even settle for that? Why would you even settle for like okay I'll take six months. I I just I mean I wouldn't say when I got elected I wouldn't say okay I'll just take two uh it's out of four. I mean I just don't understand the logic behind that. So that's why and I don't believe that policy was intended to be used in that fashion. Although it probably could be and pass muster but it was not intended to do it
414that way. >> Well it's not settling. So, you know, the way you're it's it's not >> I mean, I said how I felt how, you know, this role, this whole board is very important and we've built it up and we've done a really good job and I I just feel and I when I said it, I don't know if I need to say it differently, I guess, um, but it's not settling the options that were presented. So, it's just a different route. Um, >> yeah, but I'm just my point is is that why would we why would anyone settle for a compromise to say, "Okay, I I'll take it from May on and there's not even a guarantee that you can do that uh with a with a third with a fifth board member coming
415in." So, it it's it's not an option. Um and and and it and it and it's it's like I I just want to walk away with something if we go down that road. We already know that that that we have to do it in November and we're up on Thanksgiving break where everybody's you're traveling, everybody's tra everybody the attorneys are there. Tonight is the night that we resolve this, right? That's how we do it. >> Miss Moore. >> Yes. So the reason why somebody may choose to split is because it serves the dual interests of this conflicting vote. It isn't about winning or losing because again this is about us being servants to our community. So the win here is for both parties not just on paper in terms of you know battle of the
416wills. It's that Miss Chun would feel that she's got somebody who served multiple years in that role supporting her as she moves into that role and feels comfortable. And then we are able to also appease the need to build more experience on the board. So we're thinking extrinsically, not intrinsically. Well, that's convenient for you to frame it that way, but I'm not going to take a position and then um issue a resignation the moment that I I take it. That's not what this role is designed to do. That's my whole point. Trying to compromise in this manner is is not appropriate. It is a one-year term. Uh that is the way that it is written. That's the way it's expected to be. And this is this policy was not written to do what you what
417what what you what what you're proposing. Um it's clear that we just need we need one person. This has been done every single year. They get their they do their term and then there there's another reorganization and then another person comes along. Right? So, and that person has to to to convince the other board members that they are the right person for the job and and that and that's it. And we're we're at a standstill right now on that fact. So, um, again, I'm just responding to the nomination and, um, if we if we don't have a concession, uh, at at this moment, then we'll have to go back to voting. >> I just don't see why we can't just allow Mr. Furry to to just finish out his term this way, and the opportunity
418will present itself again for for Mr. Ramirez. >> So the flip side argument could be we don't understand why after numerous years sitting as vice chair and chair, we can't ensure that we're building some succession. So again, you know, we we're that's what's at what's at what is at odds here. Well, the the succession thing is is is I mean anybody can can, you know, you don't need to be the vice chair to become chair. I wasn't the vice chair before I became chair. You don't need that. It's not it's not a training ground that you keep bringing up. It it is it is a it is a role that is important to to fill in. That is what the vice chair is all about. It's not about raising up somebody into in the ranks.
419You can do that on your own. It that's not the point. The point is the most qualified person to step in when the chair is absent from that seat. And that is that is why I was nominated because it's clear that I have the most experience to fill that role. The succession plan, you can practice you can practice being chair. um you you can continue to take more classes, whatever you think is going to prepare you. Um right now I'm not convinced that this is the time uh for you, Mr. Ramirez. And and that is why I cannot tender a vote for you for this position at this time. Um I don't think I after tonight, all that happens is is that Mr. Uh, Chong is now our new chair and whoever we elect here
420is going to be a fill-in for her when she's not able to do it. Okay. In the in the two years, uh, you know, I I've been at every meeting, but but the person that's there needs to be ready to take the seat to take to take the seat, right? So I think it's clear that I have that experience and and uh Chair Chong has recognized that and that's why she nominated me for this position. And again I if you would have got the chair great I I um I mean that that's would have been the the will of the board. But M Chong got it. you tried for that, didn't work out, you you know, and and and now we've been here for hours and you've been trying for the the vice chair. I've
421never been vice chair. Uh I've never held that that that seat before, >> so you know, why not? Um it's and and like like it's been said, you still have there's still plenty of time with in your in your term. uh and you may move on to reelection and and and be be in in one of these roles many times in some cases, right? But I just don't know why you're fighting so hard for this here um right now uh as a one year in board member that has learned a lot but I believe still has some to learn. And so that's why I don't feel you're you're ready for this role at this time. >> So if you're saying that well you don't need to have any experience um to take the chair or
422the vice chair role but then you're saying she's not ready. Right? So these are the type of opportunities people grab in order to be ready to also um uh because you know you'll prepare yourself at a different degree when you know that you're next at bat if if if they need to fill in in a meeting. And so, you know, um I I I I guess the same question could be asked of you is why are you fighting so hard putting everybody here right out of so late at night to keep something that is what you're saying is more ceremonial? >> No, I've I've argued the opposite that it's important an important position. The person who fills in for the chair has to be ready, willing, and able to do it. And it's not about
423necessarily building experience about being capable. When I took when I took the chair seat, I I have chaired I've been on the I've been on chamber boards uh from 20ome years ago, I I've I mean I already knew how to do it. Okay. So, I mean I' I've been around and done a lot. And so when I got to the when it was my time for the chair, the board elected me. I didn't I was nominated. I didn't nominate myself. I was nominated for the chair and then I was voted in both times. >> We have, just to clarify, you have two votes and I have two votes. So, we're equally fighting for this role just as much. Just I'm just I'm just letting you know that I understand your frustration and everyone's frustration, but
424I just want you to be aware it's not on me that we're here this late. It's the two of us are here because we both feel that we would be the best fit. Okay. So, I just you keep referring it. So, I just want to make sure you're aware. It's it's it's >> it is e equal. All right. >> Yeah. I didn't say that. You're the reason. Um we are all the reason why we're all here this late until we come to a vote. We are we are all the reason why we were here this late. >> Uh it's not one individual. >> Det Mr. Furry. Um but so thank you. Um, but the compromise that you you know and I'm just like what Mr. uh Delaney brought up, it obviously is a legit thing
425that could be done because he would not have brought it up to us. So, I just want you to be aware of that, too. So, I'm not making things up. So, I'm just throwing that out there. Um, and >> that's an illegitimate idea. Okay. It may be legitimate where we could pass the muster and and and make it work through through through uh you know keeping with policy. But that that's not the reason why it's clear. I mean if you want to get the document out and read it, it's it's it's to fill a vacancy. It's not to do what this is here. And again, I don't understand why you would even consider that option at this point after after all these hours, you're saying, "Okay, I'm just going to settle for a few months
426of of uh vice chair." I mean, I just I I don't understand the logic behind that. You're either all in or you're all all out. That's the way I see it. And and I don't see that as a viable solution tonight. >> Well, before um I was done, so our attorney brought it up. So our attorney brought up the solution. So it clearly is an option. So he would not have brought it up if it wasn't. And to reiterate your experience versus mine and you've done this before and I I've done many things as well. So it's not a competition. So I you know you don't have to keep bringing that up. But also any of us would be ready to serve as chair. I believe I I mean it's I think all of us
427are very well capable. So I'm just letting you know that I am very well capable of that. So regardless of training or not training, um, so I just wanted to remind you of that that you know, you're just bringing up things that >> Well, I was responding to Miss Ruddy's some of Miss Ruddy's comments at the same time. But but nevertheless, it it doesn't matter. We can go tit fortat all night long back and forth. Who did more, who did what, whatever. I mean, uh I mean, listen, we've all accomplished things. Great. but you haven't convinced me to vote for you to take the role of this seat. Uh, you tried for chair, it didn't work. You tried for vice chair, it's it's it's it's not working. You've nominated yourself for this role and we've
428continually uh uh gone round and round in the circle. Um, and to to to no avail. So, I'm asking you once again, are you willing to withdraw your your self-nomination to the role uh so we can close this out tonight and and move on? Yeah, I think um I think you know it's been a long night and I think to be honest uh I know uh I know I I know who the right person is for this role and that's why I fought for it. So I'll leave it at that. Um, you're welcome to change your vote to who you feel would be the right person if you you're welcome to that as well as anyone else here on this board. Um, I came in here knowing that and with anything I'm going to vote
429for what I feel is the right thing to do regardless. So, I know what's right. So, you know, if you want to um be the uh vice chair, unless you want to vote for me, that's fine. Go for it. If not, if you feel that you're more capable, that's your opinion. That's fine. Um but I stand that I I would be I feel like I'm the right vote for this at the right time for next year. But you know if if you want to take it and you know just know that and everyone all my liaison schools and um campuses and everybody um I will be fighting for you and working hard and uh I I know who the right person would be for that role and I think it was a good night. Um
430you know go for it. If you want to change your vote as well go for it. Um I'll leave it at that. So, if Miss Moore wants to go through, >> can I add some final comments or vote? >> As as the chair, I just I would like to have Mr. Furry as my chair uh vice chair. Again, um this may even uh work out better for you in the future. Again, I know none of us have a crystal ball. Um but for myself, I'm glad I get to end my term saying that I'm the chair. Um, and I, you know, hopefully in a few years you can also do the same. Um, so yeah, again I would just like to have him uh support me in this role. Thank you. >> Can I add
431something? Um, Miss Chong, everyone will support everyone because we're a team. So, you know, I just want you to be aware that you keep saying it. And I don't know if you mean it that way, but I I just want you to know that we're Flaggler schools, Flaggler forward. There will be five of us. We are a team. We can't pick and choose who's going to support us better or not than anyone else. It just doesn't work that way. So, I I don't know if you meant it that way, but um I just want to bring that up. Um and um no, we're going to work together. Um there may be a time Mr. Furia, he has to go to a campaign event, you know, and I don't know. We'll who knows what'll happen, but
432um I know we'll all support. >> Well, we all listen, we're all politicians whether we like it or not. At some point, you're going to have to lead and run for office at the same time. It's just part of the job. regardless of which office you're running for. It's just part of the job and you get it done. So, >> so call the question. >> We will consider the position of vice chair. We have two candidates before us, Miss Furry and Miss Ramirez. We'll begin with Mr. Furry and move to Mr. Ramirez. All those in favor of Mr. Furry serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I. >> Those opposed, >> nay. >> All those that are for Miss Ramirez serving as vice chair, please signal by I. >> I. >> All those
433opposed? >> Nay. Thank you. Have a good night. >> I don't >> Yeah, but I don't know that that solves our problem because we we don't have a majority. >> No, >> she voted nay for herself. >> Right. So, I think M. Ramirez can't abstain. Um, I think she eliminated herself by voting no. I think it would be more clear for minutes purposes given the outcome of that vote if we did have a vote just clarifying that Mr. Furry would be the vice chair. >> The the other option is if if she withdrew withdrew and this is again just another option then automatically there's no there isn't a need for a vote. Correct. that that that is correct. And given the fact that she voted against herself, that would also be another logical way to
434accomplish this. >> So, >> but if she's not if she's not willing to >> I just I just wanted to put the option out there. If if that if she'd prefer to have it just be a a withdrawal and have no vote and she didn't have to vote on it, um then it's it just it just happens. Or we can we can leave it as a vote and have it as a vote. um against yourself whichever >> right now it stands that as it is and so you're are you saying that that as it is right now is it is it is it clear for the minutes is will that pass >> right now what we have is a vote for Mr. Furry for 22 two a vote for Miss Ramirez 13. >> Okay. So
435then there either has to be a vote for me in majority or a withdrawal to have it uh official. >> That that's what I recommend. >> So I I'll which whichever one uh Miss Ramirez would rather do, we can do it either one. Um, I apologize for the confusion. So, >> would you like to withdraw or would you like to vote for Mr. Furry? >> Um, I'd like to just withdraw. That's fine. Thank you very much. >> So, Miss withdraws. So, Mr. Furry will serve as vice chair for the 2526 organization year. We will now proceed to convene our comps. >> Um so >> first time as chair 3:00 a.m. >> Welcome to the job. Hopefully we don't have one like this again. We will um turn the um call the meeting the uh cops
436the leasing corporation meeting um to order. We will start off with Mr. Furry as the outgoing president. to start the meeting. And the information is We're under the cops. Okay. So, I now turn the meeting over to the new chair of the board, Chair Christy Chong. Um, >> because it's >> I'm on this page. Is that correct? >> Because it's the cho the cops. It goes to you as the outgoing president of the cops because you are currently the president of the cops. Hold on right here. >> Okay, this is here. I now call to order or as outgoing president of the Flaggler County School Board Leasing Corporation, I would like to call this November 18th, 2025 meeting to order. The time Oh, well, I have to re I have to rephrase that. November 19th,
4372025. Meeting to order. The time is 2:56 a.m. This morning agenda includes public comment, election of officers, and other business. Uh, is there a motion to approve the agenda as presented? >> Move approval. >> You have a motion by Miss Chong. >> Second by Miss Ruddy. All in favor? >> I opposed hearing none. We will move forward. Motion carries. Um we will now take public comment. Is there any public comment in regards to the cops board? >> Is that what you were waiting for? >> No. >> Okay. So >> there. >> Uh so we'll go ahead and close uh public comment. Uh we will now move to election of officers. You're going to turn the meeting over to me, sir. >> And um >> you'll turn the meeting. >> I I will I will turn
438the meeting over to Superintendent Moore. >> Okay. The following person shall serve as the officers of the corporation until removed by the directors or until their successors shall be duly elected and qualified. For president, we would have Miss Chong. For vice president, we would have Mr. Furry. Um, Lashaka Moore will serve as the secretary. Patty Warmick will serve as their as the treasurer. Is there a motion to approve? >> Move to approve. >> We have a motion to approve by Miss Ramirez. Is there a second? >> Second by Miss Ruddy. All those in favor? >> I >> opposed. Motion carries. Congratulations. Uh Christy Chong, you are the new president of the Flaggler County School Board Leasing Corporation uh board. You have before you the minutes from the November 19th, 2024 Flaggler County School Board Leasing
439Corporation business meeting. And at this time, I submit them to you and for your consideration and approval. >> Are there any changes to the minutes? Seeing there are not any changes, the minutes stand is presented. Board members, is there a motion to accept the minutes from the November 19th, 2024 leasing corporation meeting? >> Move approval. >> Second. I have a um a motion by Mr. Furry. And was that um Ramirez? >> Mr. Ramirez. Second. >> Any discussion? All those in favor, please say I. >> I. Then the motion carries. Other business. Superintendent. Is there any other business to come before the board? >> There is no other business to come before the board. >> Directors, do you have any business for consideration? >> Okay. >> All right. At this point, having no other business to
440come before this body, I will entertain a motion to adjourn this meeting. >> Motion to adjurnn. >> Second. Motion by Mr. Furry and second by Miss Ready. Um any discussion? All those in favor, please say I. >> I. >> And the motion carries. >> Okay. >> Um for the record, I want to get on the record the motion to close the reorganization meeting. Um so I ask for a motion to close the reorganization meeting at 300 a.m. >> Move approval. Is there a second? >> Second. >> We have a uh motion by Mr. Furry, a second by Mr. Ramirez. All those in favor? >> I. >> No opposed. Motion carries unanimously. >> That's it. >> Okay. So, now we're closing. Or is that it? Do I need to close out the meeting? >> You um
441>> I will now call for a motion to close the reorganization meeting. >> We just did that. Yes. So that's >> Yes, because remember we went out of order. >> We were out of order. >> Yeah, we went out of order. >> Okay, so I guess we can just gave out. We're done, right? >> Okay. Meeting a journ. >> Thank you everybody. Have a good morning.