07/22/25 Flagler School Board Information Workshop

001Afternoon. I now call to order the Tuesday, July 22nd, 2025, 3 pm school board workshop. Please rise for a moment of silence, followed by the pledge of allegiance and the national anthem. You can be okay. Please join me in the pledge of allegiance. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. [Music] You may be seated. It's called graduation call still. That's a big week. That's insane. All right. Uh, so we will move on to roll call starting down that way. Lauren RmIrez present. Chie present. Derek Bar present. Christy Chong Lil Furry present. Shakamore. Okay. Um, so we will move on to uh board member liaison updates. Miss, do you have anything to

002report? just that this is the last week for the FTC summer camp which has been hosted at Belair Elementary. Amazing experience for all the kids that have been there. The staff there has been wonderful and you know seeing them in action. They have a great system. So I know not not a lot's going on this summer but there is a lot going on and um I just want to thank FTC for hosting it and then Beltier for hosting at their location in in the last week. It's ready. Yes. I want to congratulate um uh the new principal for Buddy Taylor, um Katie Hansen. Uh we're in great hands with her at the helm. Uh I can't think of a a better person to take uh over after Miss Kron. I I think we're in store

003for great things there. Um uh also for those of you who aren't aware, this is probably an update across the board. The district's moving from Remind to Parent Square, uh which has a lot more functionality than just Remind. So I know you know when your cheese is moved, it's painful, but this is definitely worth it and to check that out online if you haven't already uh done so. So thank you much. That's it. Uh thank you, Mr. Chairman. Uh just uh tonight uh Chairman Dance from the county commission will be giving a uh proclamation from our community traffic safety team. So look forward to having him there tonight uh on some safety um advocacy work uh for the county. Look forward to having him as I said. Um that's really all I have other than

004just a quick statement of we're getting close to starting school again. I know Miss Moore is going to talk about that. I got a lot of things that are happening and uh you know it seems like we just finished school because I'm I'm still getting over being sick from everybody graduating but now we're going to go back into school and I'm really excited about what the new year new year holds and all the great liaison work that we're going to do moving forward. So I'll give my time. Yeah. um you know summertime not a whole lot of updates but I will just say uh welcome to assistant principal Miss Jamie Scala and also meet the teacher will be August 8th 9 through 11 that's all I have thank you yeah the the updates over the

005summer will be a little bit thin but uh they will be more robust here very very soon so uh I just have a couple of just an update on the flagger uh well the Fitzgerald Performing Arts Center um in June the auditorium was filled with dance shows and summer theater camps. Uh there was a generous sponsor that donated six beautiful 13 ft sable palms to the front of the auditorium creating more space and outdoor for outdoor events. So that's really nice. Wonderful. Um the auditorium season will begin with a celebration of arts uh education under the big top on September 13th with CIR day uh uh can a dark canines a dog show. Uh tickets will be free for children. Um and the um auditorium board will receive 70,000 in general support funds from the

006division of cultural affairs next year based on a rank score of cultural facilities grants. So that's encouraging there. Awesome. Also, uh the auditorium granted 8,000 in arts teacher grants last month covering everything from visual art shows to sending talented students to summer band camps. So, lots of great things happening over at the Fitzgerald. Um, and that's all I have uh for liaison. Um, so we will now move on. Um, do we have any changes to the agenda today, Superintendent Moore? Yes. Um, I do request that item 8.3, the YMCAformational um, presentation be moved um, after public comment. Okay. Very good. All right. Um, so I need a motion to adopt the uh agenda as amended. Motion to approve. Motion by Mr. Bars. Second. Second by Miss Chong. All in favor? I opposed. Hearing none, we

007will move forward with this agenda. So, uh, that leads us to, uh, public comment. Do we have anybody signed up for public comment? None. Okay. So, we will close public comment and move on with our first agenda item and that is 8.03 YMCA information. And that is uh I want to invite Mr. Walsh and uh Mr. Silop from the YMCA. And I just want to take a moment to apologize to them and and the public. We um honored the life of Dr. and Jim Gyn today and we made some adjustments to our our calendar and they were not given all of their adjustments. So, uh they spent some time with us during the budget meeting um as well. And so, um we do apologize and we appreciate you you being here today. Thanks for your

008flexibility. Thank you. I just appreciate the clock being adjusted because I thought we were going to be late for the 3:00 instead. So, thank you for having us. Um, my name is John Walsh. Uh, Flaggler County resident since August of 1990. Husband of 42 years to my wife Nancy. Proud father of three Flaggler County School educated children. Um, current occupation, uh, retired. And what I've learned about retirement so far is I should have started this way. a member of the Flaggler Valuchia Flaggler family YMCA regional board of directors and I serve on the task force to build the YMCA here in Flaggler County. Even though uh there have been two previous YMCA's in Palm Coast, this journey started in 2019. It started when I met Chris uh who was uh just returning to the YMCA

009ra uh to the YMCA region uh this time as executive director. um along with a friend developer Jeff Douglas, we invited Chris to visit Town Center uh with the hopes of him planting his flag uh here in Palm Coast. Um at the meeting, Chris thought it was a great idea. He loved the vision of coming to Palm Coast, but his reply to us at that time was thanks, but no thanks. Chris was hired to turn the YMCA region around. Uh the why is we're hemorrhaging money and in four years he's accomplished that mission and then some. The Y is not something new to our board. Uh this will actually fulfill the long-term strategic plan and finally fulfill our official name Flaggler Family YMCA. We're not here today looking for a handout. Instead, we seek a

010mutual beneficial partnership that will help us fulfill our mutual missions to build a healthy spirit, mind, and body for all, and to strengthen our community, and to provide unique competitive advantages to Flaggler schools in this new age of vouchers of school choice. Now to introduce the YMCA and uh the region and our plans to build a $16 million YMCA here in Flaggler. It's my pleasure to introduce executive director and parolympian Chris Silop. Thank you very much. Yeah, remember I'm standing up so sitting down. It's kind of hard like walk the room. Yeah. Uh the um clicker can be used. Hold on. Let me get my other arm. That's better. Um, go back here. Let me There we go. So, yeah. So, I' I've been the Y for over 30 years. I know it doesn't look

011like that, but um started actually in ' 89 part-time down in Orlando and worked campona as a counselor and uh then came through the Y up and and uh started CEO in 2011 in Texas and did something very similar to this in Texas where we had a city that was losing 750,000 a year of five months of operation on a pool and they were going to build a new one. I said, "Hey, why don't you fill it at the Y and then we'll use that as a cornerstone for capital development and your community can still use it systems could still use it for $3." And worked out great because it was a win-win. The city got a brand new pool of zero entry beautiful pool and the Y used it as a fundraiser to raise

012about $6 million and and renovate the facility and community got the better of both ends of that deal. So kind of similar to what we talked about now for Palm Coast, but let me tell you about the YMCA in general. So you have an understanding of of our association. So we have six branches and one residence camp as you know Camp Anona. You may have heard of it out by Deion Springs. Been there. It's actually the oldest camp in the US for YMC. It's 100. It's over 100 years old. So 1920 when they first started camping on the shores of Campona for the Y. So um and then we also have Deltona High. I mean Deltona familywide, Dan, Holly Hill, Orange Beach, Port Orange and Southeast down in Edgewater. So those are our current branches.

013We have uh finances. So the the budget is about 12.9 actually. Now it's over 13 million. Uh total assets 19 million net 137,000 members and 49,000 program participants. So it's it's a it's considered a mid- major Y kind of in the middle when you look at YMCA's. But give you an idea. talk about the turnaround. So when I got there, the Y had uh lost about $7 million in five years. In fact, they told me that, you know, January, I was hired in 2019 and the board here said, "Hey, we have enough cash until August. You need to figure it out to close our doors because they ran into credit and bunch of other stuff." So we did that. Uh we came out the budget then was about 9 million. After COVID, it was about

014six million. And since since 2022 and now we've doubled the budget. So we we uh co kind of I guess it fast forward the business plan that I had for the association and kind of made me move make a lot of moves that bought faster than what I had originally anticipated but right now uh we're very very healthy organization we're expanding right now we're re renovating our last branch port orange currently under renovations and we've renovated the other five and actually Camp Winona started the cover campaign this year and we'll start renovating that next year so we're doing very very well and We're trying to move move fast and break things as as Elon Musk says. So, community building partnerships give you an idea of who we partner with. Halifax Health is a big partner

015of ours and have been for many years and we do a lot of collaborative programming and and seminars with them and all of our branches. We have what we call healthy living centers where they come in, they do seminars on cancer, diabetes. We have a number of of breastfeeding classes for young mothers. um just a whole gambit of programming we do within the YMCA. University of Florida Health also same things as Halifax Brooks Rehab. Bush County Schools, I'll talk more about that later. We have a very strong partnership with them. Halifax Academy, it's a it's a charter school. They use our Holly Hill Y extensively as kind of their their home gym to play in. Dan Pal and Boys and Girls Club. Again, Dan Pal, we have a very strong relationship with them inside the

016YMCA. They use witnessing classes and youth sports in our gym. Boys scouts, girl scouts meet within our YMCA doors. Beach patrol. So we do a lot of the uh testing for the beach patrol. They use our pools for conditioning and we have a special membership agreement with them and they come in and they teach CPR to our staff. So it's it's a good good partnership with them. Easter Seals classes in our pools for them. Arc Stitch University and Riddle Palmer. It's just a few of our our partnerships we have going on. That's not even all of them. Programming. Okay. What does the Y why do one thing I said and I I talked to John and other community people. I've sat in with the city some of the community meetings is we're not we're not

017going to come up here and take things over. That's not our goal. Our goal is come up here and fill in the gaps. What do you need? We have a saying in the YMCA when you seen one YMCA seen one YMCA because every YMCA is different. It's designed different. Each programming is different because it reflects the needs of the community. So when I when ever since day one I've come up here I sat into the different uh one time was youth sports had all the youth sports directors in the area and I and I sat in on them. I listen to to their needs and what they they want for to make their sports better. And I said, "Look, I'm not here to take over youth basketball or soccer in here. I'm here to fill

018in the gaps. Tell me what you need. What do we need to make the community better?" So, here's some of the things that we've done. Youth volleyball and I'm not going through all after them all through all them. You know, school care day camp is that need new worlds reading. I know that's been done up here I think at five fire rim and and we've started that and actually we're the number three ranked Y out of 16 in the state of Florida Florida and our and how efficient we are in running that program and how many kids we have using it why reads is another obstacle reading program that we do teen achievers and and you go through some of the wellness programs that we do also so Bruce County school partnerships this was current

019we've done a lot of other things with them besides this but right now port Y we host Bruce Creek High Dan is at Dan High School. Deltona uses a university to swim at. Orman Beach is Seabbze and Holly Hill last season with Miami. And we actually in the past month did a reciprocal agreement where uh they went to something called Facilitron, which I don't know if if you're familiar with it, but anyways, we've struggled with it and and our rates doubled in three years uh using this the their facilitron at Galaxy Middle School, which we've been there for like 20 years using that middle school. So, we came into an agreement on on rates that stabilized it was a good win-win. It stabilized what the schools pay and then it stabilized what we we pay

020and and it enabled us to continue with the 700 kids we have in our youth sports at Galaxy Middle and continue with their high schools be able to use our YMCA. And then then we also have the swim meets that that you host at at the wise for the high schools. And actually a few times over in Orman Beach, we'll host a district swim meet uh for for Seabbze High School. A number of outside schools come in and and swim the district meet. Uh few things we've done in the past that are wise has helped out. So Dand High School is Dand Y is near the high school and so past years when the high school couldn't accommodate all the sports, their JV basketball team would come over and and practice at the Y. the

021entire season. Their their women their girls soccer program has come over and used our Y facilities uh at our other facilities. The high schools have been used kind of as an overflow. I know Deltona uh Y say is right connected to it's right behind the Deltona High School. So, so the Deltona Y is almost like the after school kid program. So, all the high school kids come to the Deltona Y and hang out there and so their parents can pick pick them up or they go there to work out or swim or what have you. So that that why uh really is a good indicator because it's not what's next door to our YM I'm seeing a palm coast how close coast it will be to land or high school the usage that it gets

022from the high school students the land high same situation the land is about the land high is about five blocks maybe from the YMCA so it's pretty pretty close so aquatics you know what what does the Y do aquatics it's kind of our wheelhouse that's kind of what we're known for in fact the first indoor pool that was filtered was a YMCA pool in Brooklyn, New York. So, Chronics, what we do, uh, we have swim lessons of all types, individual groups, adults, water safety classes for schools. We've done that in Rich County a number of times where the second grade, usually second or third grade would come and it's not really swim lessons. It's teaching the kids how to get out of a pool. Teaching them water safety of survival if they fall in the

023pool. Swim lessons a whole different curriculum. takes much longer to do, but it's more water safe safety almost trying to get them as drown proof as you can within a week of water lessons. Um, you know, scuba classes, YMCA swim league, we have a club swim pro program, synchronized swimming, swim meets, you know, lap swim, everything you would think that a YMCA has. Um, facility assets. So, this is what we're looking at building. Give you an idea for this YMCA in town center, the new one we're considering. The wellness center is going to be about 10,000 square feet. That would be our second largest in our association. Our largest to land at 13,000 square feet. Our sports gym is going to be three courts, three vibball courses. One thing I heard from the community and

024the number of meetings I've been in is there's not enough indoor recreation space for sports in this city for kids and it's hard to find. So, uh, most WM cities only built two. I've built enough wise and give you an idea. I built two wides. I renovated 11 of them that I have a good idea of how to take the same amount of square footage of two courts and get three three courts out of it without incurring any more cost. So, so there'll be three courts in there. Uh zero entry Olympic size swimming pool very similar to one that is currently in existence over in Claremont at the National Training Center for Triathletes at Orlando Health South built. So, it's it's an Olympic size pool with a zero entry, but our zero entry will have

025a few more family components to it. I won't get into the details of it now, but but this will be a unique pool with two moving ball kits, so you can change number of lanes for meats and will still be able to use for other other um activities. Youth and adult locker rooms, childc care rooms, group exercise room, and a spin room. So about 44,000 ft approximately that can give or take depending on needs of the community. And so if you need to add classrooms, we can. Uh again, we uh we've hired an architect, but we haven't gone into the exact drawing design phase of it yet. We do have a idea of a footprint, which I'll show here in a moment. And this is it. So, this is the site that we're looking at.

026It's it's right next to the PEAF site. Is that what it is, John? Yeah. So, it's a stage outdoor area. I apologize. The different colors is usage. Uh the yellow is parking. Uh the big blue rectangle bottom is is the pool. And then over to the left of that would be just a playground and then some outdoor soccer space. Just not nothing competitive, just enough for what I call a herd soccer. Those four and five year olds that move around in a herd and they follow the ball. Um and then then up top in the very top green would be your fitness center. Then the little blue box would be your your front desk lobby area. There'll be more parking on that side. I just didn't didn't draw it. And then behind that your basketball

027gym. And then in the middle of it, all those little rectangle boxes are your lock rooms. You spin spin room. And the red one is your child chalk care room. So very important. Your chalk here borders. I've done a few UIs. Your child care borders your gym. And it also has a separate entrance from your front desk. Make it easier for the parents to get in and out. Probably a covered porticochet or something like that in case it rains. And then also you have the gym right next to it so they can come back. And then the purple there's a bathroom just for the child here. Anyways, this gives you an idea of of the footprint of of the building and the size. Here's some artist renderings we have. It's a it's a commercial group

028out of Chicago that Jeff Douglas recommend recommended he uses and they do a lot of is it the health food chain store they do across the US a supermarket was one of their big customers. But anyways, long story short, they you know know what they're doing. So the you see the pool on the back side and then the rest of the facility. You give an idea from from the aesthetics of it. It won't look exactly like this. I think he got a little carried away in his uh creative design as most architects do. If you ever work with them, you know, you have to rain them in or you going have a Taj Mahal like a 10,000 foot lobby or something crazy like that. But this is kind of the idea. A lot of glass.

029A lot of YMCA I designed have as much glass and windows as possible. The front part here would be the fitness center at you. You're looking This is the front looking looking south north side. Um here's a side side view. Obviously the front door probably on the other side, but now I'm getting into the weeds of the of the of the project. This is the back pool. So the pool will be zero entry for a number of reasons. Uh I like building zero entry pools. It'll have some spray features in it. Uh probably some dumping buckets, some some spray things coming out of the bottle for the kids. They love it. the the ball kid there is what I refer to. The ball kid will move and and again that allows you to have multiple

030uh activities going on in the pool if you need to have swim meet and lab swim or actually you have two swimsuit meets going on if you wanted to uh if you want to get an idea of the aesthetics if you ever been to the Orman Beach YMCA we're currently under renovations about twothirds done but that pool that area will kind of give you the idea of the look that we're looking for. Um the size Y will be about the same size as Orman Beach and Orman Beach is 37,000 square feet. This one looking about 44,000 will be a little bit bigger than Orman. Orman right now is serving about 7,000 units. So Orman Beach has doubled in 8 months from when we started renovation about a year and a half ago. And we think

031this Y will probably get to 78,000 units under two years. Probably sooner than that actually. Um, so that just some comparisons between here and Orman. It'll be very, very similar. I don't think there'll be a second floor. I still don't know why the architect put a second floor up there, but again, it's I say, you know, I put an elevator in. It cost $100,000. Yeah, I know that. Yeah, but you're not paying for it. So So there'll be a lot of value engineering going on with this with this project. So that kind of gives you an idea of what we're thinking in the design phase of it. And again, it's there's still a lot of room to make additions and make changes based on what the community needs are, but it's kind of where we're

032at uh in the start starting blocks. Beach volleyball beach volleyball is one of the things that we looked at. Yeah. Um, as I mentioned, we're not here uh asking for a handout. Instead, we're proposing a robust, mutually beneficial partnership. Our ask is for the Flaggler schools to invest $3 million to help us build a $16 million multi-use facility that could be and should be considered an extension of your school's campuses. We understand that there are more needs than money to pay for them, whether they're an operational expense or a capital investment. But I challenge you to identify any other capital investment project on your current list of needs that will reduce your operating budget by almost $300,000 annually. Your investment of 3 million will help us build multi-use fitness wellness aquatic center. your investment in

033the Y along with several other financial commitments that we have including a commitment for naming rights opportunity and our financially sound position as an organization to acquire mortgage for a portion of the project. Your commitment would allow us to change the conversation from coming soon to game on. We're building the why. some of the benefits that are in it for you. Uh the aquatic center um the aquatic center would fulfill all of your current aquatic needs, students, your teams, your club uh water sports. The new aquatic center would allow us to create new programming for your students, which as Chris mentioned, water safety for early and elementary classes, lifeguard training, high school for high school classes, general water fitness programs, competitive team sports for middle school classes. Um, we could even create programming for um,

034adults with disabilities. The aquatic center could proudly be used as a school's uh, host local, regional, and state uh, water meets and competitions. The day we open the Y pool is the same day you can close your schools pool, allowing you to reallocate the funds to operate that to other budgetary needs. Early discussions with your administration and staff have identified uh various service programming and general needs uh gaps beyond the aquatics that the Y would be in position to fulfill allowing the schools to avoid additional investment to satisfy these and future needs. For example, um the fitness center in our fitness center will have a weight room. Um, this weight room would provide more capacity uh for the competitive weightlifting teams of the schools, but also the other teams uh that need to have access

035to weightlifting uh for their training. Um, it would be available for individual student, faculty, and staff uh as wellness workouts as well. Indoor ball courts, Chris listed a couple. Um, could be used for uh school team sports. Um, maybe we can create a middle school inter mural program. Um and again adults with disabilities um and many other activities. The wellness center um classrooms for specific or special programs uh some uh will be fulfilled by third parties and healthcare or various social services. Uh children's activity center. The children's activity center of a YMCA is its probably its biggest uh competitive advantage uh compared to some of the other retail gyms throughout the community where parents can come work out knowing that their children are going to be in a safe environment with special programming and activities

036while they're doing their their wellness workouts. Speaking of competitive advantages, partnering with the Y will enhance FL enhance Flaggler schools competitive advantage through unique school programming and access to a state-of-the-art multi-purpose facility and Olympic class aquatic center. Like I mentioned, the Y could be an extension of your campuses where your students, faculty, staff have access that other education paths would not have. what this val what is the value of retaining or even acquiring new students in these competitive days. Um we are asking you to partner with us by contributing $3 million upfront or over a specified term. And what we've learned is based on uh some of the data that's available, $3 million would provide approximately 50 student stations in a traditional brickandmortar school. Um but we're confident that hundreds and even thousands of your

037students, your faculty, and your staff would benefit with a partnership with the YMCA. Okay. Thank you for that uh presentation. Um I have a couple questions here. You know, overall with the for the 44,000 square ft uh foot um facility, what right now is the projected budget total to to complete the entire project? 16 million. Okay. And um how how are you acquiring the land to to to build the facility? So the land is um being provided to us through the city. Okay. The city acquired the land as part of the um development of town center. There was an obligation on that property for the Palm Coast Arts Foundation for a 15-year commitment to give them the opportunity to build a facility that has expired. the the uh purpose of that the the the restrictions

038on how the land can be used um we fulfill we're a good fit for that property from the city. So it's donated by the city. Okay. So it's a donation of land. Okay. And then um h have you car is this going to be a phased or is this are you are you planning on building the entire thing all at once? All once. Okay. Here's where we are. $16 million project. the land we valued at two million. We've already received $2 million just a little bit north of $2 million from the state. Uh we have a verbal commitment um uh from the city for three million. Um they will include it in their budget going forward this year. Um and it's a two-year payout. 2 million the first year and a million uh the second

039year. We have a pledge card. Uh we have a pledge from a private individual uh for the naming rights. The value of that um opportunity is about 4 million. If the schools were to commit to the 3 million, that would put us at 14 million of the 16 million required. We've engaged a third party uh fundraising company um for this project and a couple other uh u opportunities we have throughout the organization. And how much would you say if you were to carve out um the uh aquatic facility, the zero entry Olympic size pool that they're what would you say that the counts for? Yeah. In a dollar amount uh or percent six to seven million. Okay. He wants seven. We want six. I was trying to focus on debt so I can put money

040back into the programs and not into the bank. Right. So, you know, one one thing is that, you know, there's definitely from Flaggler schools perspective, you know, there is a need to maintain a pool for um our athletics. And right now we have one pool and we uh utilize the city's pool. um both are aging out and so there's definitely a need for newer facilities. Um have we already feel a bit squeezed uh as a community already with what we have right now. Um have you addressed the percentage of needs for the city uh the the how much you've you've you've calculated for the school's needs? Uh my my only concern would be out of the gate is is this pool overcommitted? Uh and could could we be able to still have access and use

041for the things we need? Uh along with sharing it with the rest of the community. I I wish we had the the physical dimensions of the pool that you operate today. Um but Chris can give you a little bit more detail on the size and scope of the swimming pool that we're talking about. Yeah, that's a good question. So we have two other sized pools. We have one in Orman Beach and one in Port Orange. And uh the lanes you're looking at is 21 to 18 lanes. The difference is because how wide are the lanes? You can make them six feet wide or you can make them eight feet wide. So let's say you go with 21 lanes. You use eight usually for a a swim meet for high school or eight for your high

042school practices or so. 8 to 10. So to answer your question, I don't think it'll it'll be one, I don't think it'll be um over booked, and number two, you guys have first priority, so you don't have have to worry about that. Um so we we have the same situation going on at Orman Beach where we have uh the Seabbze High School members using it and then you also have a club team here. It's called Fluid, I believe. Uh they would have access to it. I' I've spoken with their coach. She's been a very big supporter of the Y coming up up here and and uh and I said look I said I said Carrie I said I'm not I'm not here to take over your swim program because we have a very large one

043called hydro with our we have over 130 kids I think in our swim program right now travel so so we we're familiar with how to how to schedule for efficiency when you have a large high school large swim program. Now, this situation, you may have two high schools. So, and but we'll make it make it work and we'll have 21 lanes. So, you could have both high schools practicing at the same same time. That wouldn't be an issue. None of our current pools have the movable baffles, the walls. So, when we looked at the design of the pool, the zero entry is for young families and seniors, right? And uh seniors want to wade in hip, you know, uh waste deep water. Um, you need a certain depth of water for the competitive lanes. If

044they're too deep, they're fast or slow or too shallow. Um, and then, uh, we also addressed having the deeper end for, uh, the synchronized swimming activities and so forth. So, with having two mobile walls, um, we could have multiple different activities going on at the same time. And I think that would provide more flexibility um, as far as the school's needs, right? um as far as scheduling and and the availability uh of the aquatic center. So very robust. Okay. Do those walls go all the way down? Close close to it. Yeah, they do. We we looked at them at the uh pool. We actually visited the pool over in I want to get an idea. And I talked to the guy who runs that said, "You could change this. If you could do anything different

045than what you did, what would you do?" He goes, "I would have two of these ball kits instead of one." And I said, "All right, I'm going to put that in my notes." And then we talked about some of the some of the other aspects of the pool. The physical dimension of it I think is 230 by 75. The swimming pool itself, right? That that's pretty big. And if we had to make make it bigger, we could, you know, because with that bulkhead, you could still run the long course, what they call long course, the Olympic size, the 50 meters, and still have something other lanes going on the other side. So again, if the need is go bigger than 2 230, then then we we can we have we have that space on the

046property to do it. And that's that's a beauty thing uh beautiful thing about this is that we can figure out what our needs are up front and the design because what you want to do when you go into a facility, you want to design a facility around programs. You don't want to build the facility then then try to put the programs into already built facility. So we know what programs we need, we know the demand, we can go ahead and design it to meet meet those demands. And the other part about swim, I'm sorry, swim team that not not all swim teams like swimming in the afternoon. All right, because of the thunderstorms. So your your swim program runs if it thunder's outside the pool for half an hour. So a lot of swim teams

047like to come in at 6:00 in the morning before school. I know we have a few high schools in Bush County, they come in the morning, they don't come in the evening time to do their practices. Um you mentioned some partnerships like Halifax Health, Orlando South. Um, has Advent have they been uh approached or any other large organizations to partner? Yes. Yeah, I was I Yeah, I I've met with um Advent's vice president of strategic initiatives uh a couple times on doing some partnerships up here in this area. They're very interested. I've met with David Weiss. Uh he's the CEO over and county with a health about it. They're interested. He's a former physical therapist, so he loved the idea of water uh therapy programming as they do in the south. Chris has conversations with

048the region um here locally. Um we've been in communication with them and uh almost a year ago um they were ready to make a presentation or an offer to us and we said we weren't ready for it yet. Um and again the the conversation has gone to the regional level instead of just here locally. So yes, they're very interested in the success of the life and the proximity to the hospital was a very right very positive. So yes, they're they're interested. We just have to get a little farther along with with our uh partners and and the program before we go back to them. But we've had some dialogue very very promising. Um, I'd kind of like to see a comparison. You know, what if we built our own pool, you know, just to compare,

049um, what would be the cost for that versus partnering with the Y. Um, just something to think about. Um, I'm very conservative. I'm not a fan of using tax dollars um, you know, for private things. I think that's the problem with our whole federal government right now. Um, but just an idea for the board if we were to pursue this. Um, perhaps maybe selling some property or something. Just something to think about, just finding funds instead of, uh, using money that we already have. Yeah, I'll just say I appreciate the meeting that we had uh to kind of get an overview of this a few weeks back. And, you know, John, we talked about, you know, the funding piece and where we are as a district and what our priorities are. number one, you know,

050with with that education and the and where we are just financially. Um, and then we would have to look at some additional, you know, to your point, Miss Jones, of looking at other ways of being a if we were to partner, this is something that the board wanted to do, we would have to look at something to not take away from our current programs. And you heard some of the issues and challenges that we that we are facing just with federal funds and you know and I think that's some of our priorities and not saying that these things extra extracurricular and we talked about the seats. I don't want to ramble too much but I guess my my point is is that we as a board are going to have to continue to to look

051at this. I think you know what the funding piece looks like. Where do we get these funds? We don't have the general dollars to do anything like that right now. I think that we we all know that or we we should um and we're going to have to look at additional ways if we want to do this. I think you bring up a great point. So that's just my two cents. At the start of the meeting um we spent a couple of minutes with Superintendent Moore and um our measure of success of this meeting um I think you've given us uh what we were hoping to achieve continue dialogue. Um a couple of things to clarify. You had mentioned that we would have access in terms of our students and our teachers. Uh are are

052is that to uh are we assuming what you're saying is that they would not be charged a fee. They would have free membership. It it's it's um open for discussion negotiations. school um sponsored activities um your teams your current programs um whether it's aquatic center or not there would not be cost to the school for access to the facility it would be part of what I've laid so as long as they're uh uh practicing under that program then they're having access correct okay we internally have had discussions about offering a significantly discounted rate membership rate to uh families of enrolled students in flagger schools. You want to touch base a little bit on our membership? Yeah, we've discussed also membership wise. So Valuchia County, they're part of Florida Healthcare. And if you followed that, you

053just saw what happened in Valuchia County. But prior to them separating from Florida Healthcare, their faculty uh could use the YMCA and staff without any fees to themselves uh at the gym level. Uh not the pool, but just at the wellness center. We have a membership structure that you have a gym only membership at a lower cost. So, one thing I spoke with John about that's one thing we could do for the Pusha for sorry for Flaggler County staff is they could have access at no cost to the uh the fitness center which I think would dubtail nicely with with your health initiative with your staff and then then if they wanted more like they want to use the pool or they wanted a family membership then then that they could purchase that at a

054discounted rate. Uh but that's one scenario that I I think would benefit uh your your staff in the community. Um I one of the benefits that you're highlighting here is that we could have u expand competitive swimming programs. Um but in your mockup I'm not seeing any location for spectator seating. Is that a miss in just the mockup or Yeah, that's just we haven't gotten that far down the road in details of it yet. So then how do you know that the the cost will only be 16 million if if you don't have things like spectator seats included? Well, you you go by your square footage and what a g general construction cost is. You have to go in how you going to build it and go into what's called the value engineering and and

055you look at it. So, what I did calculate in my cost was 20 ft of pool deck all the way around the pool, which is more than enough space to put put in seating for spectators. Generally though, most events just have tents and people bring their own own chairs when these swim meets uh for the high school level is what I'm referring to. The key is having enough pool deck surface for for that. Okay. And is the when you say 230 by 75 size that's feet. Yes. But the the metric dimensions for a competitive and I'm I'm just not a swimmer so I don't know. Right. But a Olympic pool is a 50 meter and it requires 82 um feet a foot width. So wouldn't that be eight eight feet in width is a length

056you're l So it would be less than 10 lanes on on a width. You usually when you're going long long course you have eight eight lanes. So you go a long course that's 50 meters. Not not just shy of high school. Yeah. High schools usually don't go long long course. High schools go short course which is which is a 75 ft across. That's generally what what a high school is. Okay. Um I guess uh to um um to Miss Chong and Mr. Bar's comment uh related to the budget, right? $3 million is essentially 50% of our general fund reserve, which would put us in uh we would be breaking the parameters as a school district to to expend that money in in one particular fail swoop. Uh, and that's where initially I I was thinking,

057all right, well, maybe if we don't have to expand our number of schools at this time, there could have been an an advantage with some of the property that we could own, but you've already secured that town center location is what you're saying. Um, Miss Moore, is there a um when we talk about access for these programs though, we're also how do you get the students there after school, right? or h uh it sounds like the proposal is to be an extension of the school campus, but that would be also added uh cost or logistics to even figure out how to get students there um from the two high schools. But we're currently um transporting some of our students to the current the two locations right now. So it would be that similar. Okay. So,

058the two locations the Belair, what's the other ones that Oh, Freed and Okay. Can I back up on one of your questions about um I'm going to label it furniture and fixtures. Um because Chris has done a marvelous job and the financial condition of the YMCA region. Um we know that there's more expense than building the facility of $16 million. Um and we are in financial position um through his uh operating um with surplus every year and um the spread of this expense over all seven branches. Um we understand that it is more than $16 million. Um we're going to steal chairs from various uh YMCA's. We're going to use desks uh and we're going to beg, borrow, and steal best we can. Um but yes, we're prepared to handle the furniture and fix fixture

059aspect of it. Um as far as transportation, the YMCA's um we do have a small fleet of buses and vehicles. Vans I like I like vans more than buses. Vans and I mean vans. I don't mean the eight patch. I mean I mean the vans that are kind of like the church church vans seat 14 15. Yeah. Yeah. You don't need to have a CDL license for that. And you know how hard or hard they are to find. Yeah. Okay. it. We'll do what we can. Okay. Um so, uh I guess one item that I'm wondering is, uh you know, Palm Coast were growing population-wise. However, um when you look at our average income compared comparatively with the rest of the count, uh rest of the state, we're in the middle there. But we have

060a large number of folks who uh are at or below poverty line. So you've done a market analysis that you feel our population and its current income data can support the membership fees because what we'd also hate is that we put investment in this and then in 5 to 10 years you have to close that close that down. That's a great great question. So, um, first off, let me say the YMCA never turns anyone away for inability to pay. So, this past year, YMCA gave out over $700,000 in our association wide to financial assistance. That's for, uh, kids to uh, take swim lessons, which we actually have a lot of free swim lessons, but anyways, uh, after school care, summer camp, youth sports membership, the whole gambit. So, if we have a single parent mom,

061she comes in and said, "Hey, I can't afford the $80 for youth basketball." We ask them, we get them a form and then say prove your your household income and what can you afford and basically we always make them pay for something. So it's never free but generally we try to get to pay our cost. So let's say youth basketball it's like 15 bucks because that's the cost of a shirt of jersey. So so we don't so we don't turn anyone away for inability. We did a market study. Yes. in our market study uh told me something that is very similar to what our current membership. So we have our membership structure is one of the few membership structures in the US and the only one in Florida. So let me explain what I mean

062by that. Deltona is very similar to Palm Coast I feel. Uh we have I have a Y Deltona same size but 100 people. It it's a very blue blue collar low low income but main blue collar area. We changed the membership structure there and renovated that branch. That branch the board wanted to sell when I when I I came on board in 2019. They wanted to get rid of the Deltona Y sell it and because it was losing money and the Y was losing money. We renovated it and we changed the membership and we changed the membership to a gym only at $15 membership structure. That Y has now is in the black and it has gone up 35% in 9 months in its membership because we did two things. One, we gave them a

063quality facility, but we gave them a price point that they they could afford. So, how we do our memberships is we have a gym only, we call basic, and then we have a plus membership. That's if you want everything, the group X, the pool, all the bells and whistles. Then you pay for a plus membership, which right now is $47. So, so yeah, you have you have an entry level $15 and that's where we would we would start. So, that's why and and you say that our market study said the same thing. our market study said, "Hey, we we can't afford the the 47 or we can't afford the 79 for family. We need something a little bit less." So, uh we actually started doing that membership uh structure before well about the same time

064as that market study actually came out right after CO when we we did it. So, so between so so sorry. So we actually have the business model pro proven success that we're going to implement in Palm Palm Coast and in fact our goal is to build a second YMCA in a few years down the road on the north west sector of town. So they would be cat caddy corner from each other. We've already had we already had talks with individuals and corporations about them. I was gonna that's where I was going. Um the feasibility study forecasted that Chris will have 6,000 members. um he likes to call them units um in a very short period of time. Um but long-term would be a second YMCA facility. Uh we are in discussions with the developer, the

065land owner um who's already identified property available to the YMCA. So this is uh first of two forler. My last question is what type of jobs um does this uh does a Y typically bring? Uh are there that's a great question. I'm glad you asked it. Our YMCA right now, our association has just short of 500 employees of the the entire association overall at all of our branches. All right. In Busher County, no, just in Bush County, our region. No, our re our association just in Busher County has a little less than 500 employees. Now, most of those are part-time. So, but to answer your question, this branch, I perceive this branch having about 80 employees, probably four to five being full-time, um, and the rest being part-time from a varying. You'll you'll have the

066the high school lifeguards and the high school, you know, um, uh, front desk workers. But then you have a lot of retirees who need part-time jobs who will work at the front desk. They'll work mate maintenance. They'll work other areas. And then you have your personal trainers. And then you have your floor staff and your maintenance staff and and your after school care counselors, your summer camp counselors. So it'll bring probably overall the entire year about 100 jobs to to the area. And do any of those roles um especially the full-time receive like benefits or they Yes. So healthare. Yes. So they receive healthcare and the YMCA pays three quarters of of the health healthcare. We have a very robust, probably one of the best retirement plans where the Y pays 12% of whatever you

067make into a retirement plan. Um, we have a number of retired people who make more money retire than they do work working. I don't know what that says about a current wages, but um, uh, yeah. So, so there so we actually have so we have good bid benefits because we don't pay a whole lot out of the gates to be honest with you. Uh, we're trying to raise raise that up. We do I did a bit of hay plan. I don't know if you're familiar with that, but it's a salary admin administration plan. I started that three years ago in our YMCA. So, so our employees are on par with other employees in the industry of what they get paid. So, program directors have a scale, senior directors have a scale, childc care scale, execs

068have a scale, and so so we do have a salary admission salary administration plan to make sure that we're paying them fairly compared to other YMCA of the like size. Thank you. Good. Um, all right. Uh, thank you for the presentation. Uh, so out of all of um, I know Valuchia County there's quite a bit and all of our YMCA's that are around. How many other schoolboard districts have donated to help build a facility? That's a good question. So, I I researched that that we know of, too, and it was on site. So, you have Lake Lake Nona in South Orlando where they built a middle school together. The Y did and the school school board did. And then uh Spears is brand new just opened up $20 million, no $24 million project for the

069Y there in St. Pete where they built a middle school and a Y and they share property like they share the gym and they they share other parts of the building. So those are the two off the top of my head that actually structural where school board has invested into a YMCA in our region. this the relationship with the Luchia County Schools is based around programming and fulfilling their needs for their students. So just the two that have the YMCA built within the school, but like in this case where it's for a community, no other school board has donated that you know. I I'm not too sure because it's not something that is reported like it's not something that is uh hey here here's a report that we fill out every year and it's in

070there. So, I have to do some more research to find out in Florida where there is. I know I know South Florida has done a number of pool partnerships with the county and other municipalities. I need to find out if they did it with with schools and down in the Fort Lauderdale area like similar to this situation. I'm just curious what other school boards in the state have done something similar have been asked. So, okay. And um so from my understanding from I know we had a meeting and then so as of today the possibility you guys are contemplating um free potentially free memberships for teachers and staff and then highly discounted for families of Flaggler schools. So, and amazing, but I'm wondering like because we are such a big district. Um, I'm just wondering

071big meaning population in this county would financially does it make sense for if so many people are not paying a fee to get in? I'm just wondering how will it who's going to pay the the electricity bill if everyone's free and a discounted rate. So, I'm just trying to because if you do the math, the math is not mapping. So, it it depends. You want to answer that question when you answer it? Um I you know I'll say that it's open for discussion. We're looking at um you know how do we how do we create a robust partnership? How do you benefit from this? What's in it for your students? What's in it for your faculty and staff? Um yeah, we have a business to run. Um we know what we can and can't do.

072Um but um we can't do anything if we don't open it, right? Um, so, um, because it sounds wonderful to have a discounted, but I'm just in will it be able to run if so many people have a discounted rate and free rate? We haven't committed to the rate structures yet. Um but theoretically I think the points are are pretty solid that um direct school use um no cost the facility is yours to take advantage of right for your school sh sanctioned uh programs benefits beyond that um are you know clean sheet of paper and negotiable. So yes we we had to crunch some numbers and figure it out but ball but ballpark let me explain the business model behind it. If we give you a basic membership, all right, so you come in, you

073get a basic membership, $15, it's free. Just use a gym. But all of a sudden you rave about it and now your husband wants to come or your friends want to come work out with you. Now they have to pay full full rate or or he or or you want to upgrade to a f family, you get that $15 off of the family rate. So we're we're bringing people in the doors, but if they wanted to add on, then they have to add on for those expenses. just an idea that they were. So you also have 2800 employees I believe. So not all them will use it. Probably in and statistically only 20% of the population actually works out. So let's say 40% of your employees use the YMCA. I think came out to be

074about $180,000 a year of loss revenue that we're given for free. But out of that it is probably some of that will be additional revenue like some of them will take personal training. So they'll pay pay for that. Some of them may upgrade and when you use the pool after they've been there for a while. So on the surface like oh but actually when you look at the business model it makes some some sense for us. And number two he's correct we have to find a revenue or some way to get this Wi-Fi built and and if we don't ever build it then no one ever gets any of these benefits either. And then the the other part about the kids you know maybe we give them a membership and what that means is that

075they repay a reduced rate. So instead of paying or they get 20% off, it's 30% off. And so the Y is still getting money to cover their costs. So we're getting money to cover our our hard costs. They're just not as much margin in it. But again, it's a good win-win because your students win, they get less. The Y may get a little bit less, but at least we get enough to cover our hard cost and our expenses. I'm wondering if um but again, it's just a discussion right now. if some work could be done to think of um non-traditional ways um in order to have a partnership. Uh for example, instead of the $3 million in cash, and again, this is just off the cuff. Sure. But we have a robust maintenance program. uh

076we you know if they were to take on some of the maintenance of the facility could that uh I know that doesn't help you with the capital to build it immediately but it also does lower your operating cost um and obviously we'd have to do some feasibility around that but are you open to something of that nature or are you needing the immediate capital in order to build is um to make it happen let me address it this the immediate capital and again because of the financial condition of the region we have the ability to mortgage. I approached Chris early in the conversation saying, "How much mortgage do you think you'd be comfortable?" Zero. He said, "Zero, right?" And he came out and said, "Uh, 2 million." Well, I had the same conversation with our

077chairman of the board and a couple of other board members. Um, the mortgage our ability mortgage is much greater than that. The more we borrow, the more pressure on Chris, right? So, um, when you talk about, um, needing all of the money upfront, we can leverage long-term commitments, cash flow, right? Some of the relationships that we shared with Valuchia County are for services. Well, that's a guaranteed contract or revenue for us. We can turn that into a mortgage to help build a building today. So, we do have that flexibility. It just makes it harder for us to be successful, right? as I also want to back up to the the membership cost. It's just the general philosophy of the YMCA that every full paying member pays enough to cover somebody that can't pay. So when

078you look at an estimate of 6,000 members of this YMCA in a short period of time, we expect half of them will be less than full rate. Would there be any ongoing cost to the district outside of the initial capital investment? O only if there were special programs or services required. For example, it's it's again our conversation, naive maybe, but when you build a building, when you build a new school, you pay a teacher to do things in that classroom, right? So if there are special needs that need to be addressed for the school, if there's additional cost directly associated, then we would look for you to cover that. But going forward, I think I I don't think there's any risk of additional expense to the school. Um I I think we would it would

079be um uh it would be prudent of us to say that this free access from the schools goes on for ever. there would be some sort of a term to it whether it's 10 years 15 whatever we don't know but again that's part of the conversation what what I'd like to see one thing I do want to kind of u put in perspective here for the board is that today is more about um learning uh from this side not so much of coming up with the formula but I think we've had definitely some great ideas coming here because we will have to at at uh at at the close of this discussion send this back to our uh legal team to review this because uh as you all know we have our dollars are very

080restricted on how we can spend them where they can be spent uh and and what they can be spent for. So that is going to be uh this is definitely going to take more workshopping beyond today's. Uh but what one thing I'd like to do is to understand a little bit more about those relationships between Valuchia um at one which is kind of unique which is one way of partnership and then you had the others with Lake Nona and St. compete which were a new construction but a shared like almost public part private partnership right so in Valuchia right now were they involved in the construction part or are they only uh in programming and use only in programming and use okay and then how does that work out with with do they pay a

081uh a use fee a flat fee per how does that work they pay per lane per hour. So, right now, I believe it's $13 per lane per hour, which is half of the na national rate. So, we give them a very discounted rate to use the the pools. Okay? Uh because we know swimming is not a high income producer for schools, the program, the sport. So, and then in exchange, they give us a a very good rate to rent out their the middle school gym for our youth sports. So, so we've kind of they've kind of fro frozen. We gave them a five-year payment plan, you know, of and then we did the same thing for them on the pull side so they can plan accordingly like this is what's going to be the cost

082of the next five years. So we all we both sat down and said, "Look, why are we jacking up each other's fees? Why don't we just kind of work with each other and see find something financially that works for both of us?" Okay, so basically they have a five-year agreement that they're paying 13 per lane because essentially but just in the uh the construct of it that that's what it is. So they can forecast their budget. Correct. And then do they already have a set um allocation or is it truly just uh as as needed um that they I don't know that's it's each each school has their own sports budget and expenses and I don't I don't I don't know. Okay. And how many pools service the the district right now? Five pools. Okay.

083Now of course just for the for the public Valuchia has is a much larger district than us. So that is something to put into perspective but we do have to I want to look at that you know five pools versus you know uh the the student enrollment there and say hey are they are they is it that is even that adequate percentage-wise for them just to make sure that we are in balance with our student population with one pool right so that that's one there uh then we have the the public private partnership which in a way kind of looks similar but not because it's not necessarily tied to a school property that because it sound like both of these project literally that they share um facilities. So um explain kind of how that worked

084out from from a funding standpoint how the school got involved and I'm not sure we can answer that right now. It they are not in our region. Okay. But I want to go back to um this phrase or this label I put on it as partnership. um we are open to co-owning the facility, right? Whether it's shares of a corporation or square footage or a condo or however that relationship is. But if the school is required to own that property, we are not adverse to that for portion of that property. Yeah. So you like own the pool and we used to pull it back for a dollar a year or something for so many years. So that's that's one of the vehicles where you have complete control over over the the asset that if you

085wanted and and then um when when when you asked about Well, that's we you brought that up. So that was our conversation. So we have what we call a kid kids kid zone on site. So if you're a mom and you have a three-year-old, you drop them off in the kid zone and then you go work out. Adult Ed, if we had ed on site, some of the some of the obstacles for adult ed is with their children. They could drop the chilling office in its own and then go to on site. So we talked about one of the possibilities and then uh chairman for you were asking about the various uh relationships with the other schools and and so forth. And I'll go back to what Chris said early in the presentation. If you've

086seen one why you've seen one why whatever the needs are, whatever the gap is, however it makes sense for everybody, we're flexible. We want to come in and fulfill needs. We don't want to come in and say this is how we're going to do things. Right. Right. So, which Y did you recently build that that's in driving distance? If I wanted to go check it out, is it haven't built? Well, Delton, that was a long time ago. Uh the one that's we've renovated that's under current renovation. You want to look at is Orman Beach. So, Orman Beach. Orman Beach. Um we've we've fortunately have received about $9 million from the state in the last three years by far probably 10 times more than any other wide in Florida. What the heck? Yeah. Um we we

087have friends in hyped places but um uh but a lot of that somebody's niece lives there. Uh so if I may go go ahead if you want to. Uh we have a patriarch in Orman Beach um and his name is Charlie Lie Decker. Charlie operates a very successful insurance agency. His in-house council and partner is a guy by the name of Tom Leak. There you go. Okay, got it. So, and Tom will be the Senate President in four years of this region. So, Tom was able to steer uh like the example this year we got 1.125 million. We only asked for one and every other Y got cut by like 99 90%. So, but going back to your point, so Orman Beach about four or five million has gone to Orman for that one to

088reinvate. So, that gave you an idea. Stop by the Orman Y and it'll give you idea of the size and the pool size and the pool pool deck size and everything else and the size of the naming rights where it says Charlie Lucker. Yeah. Yeah. That that also. So, I know we're Did you have any more question? Because I said we just want to point out we only have an hour left. Oh, sorry. So just uh we do have some other agenda items. So I just wrap this. Yeah, I just had one more from my original question. Um so I for what I'd like to know is so it sounded like no matter what this is going to be built. So it potentially So I'm wondering um maybe the cost factor like with the lanes

089and everything again like I think understanding the math of you know if we didn't have the money to present but it was built anyway how much would it cost us? I know this isn't for you to answer now, but just thinking, okay, well, for our high school teams to utilize this, you know, perhaps it makes sense to we could afford to use it to pay at the price of a school. And then um and then I miss Chong talked about, you know, building our own pool. I know that also costs money if but if the pool is things that you know people are interested in um so the math on that and then um you know I I I appreciate like all the information but I think just thinking of like it's not only the

090pool it's the locker rooms that you going to have that to build so the locker rooms the idea locker rooms we just redid or beach and it was 325 a square foot and that that was on a redo not even new new construction so your locker rooms are your most expensive bathrooms always your most expensive part of construction So, not only do you build a pool, but you got to build a locker room along with it. So, just food food for thought when when you do when you do those numbers. So, going back back to your your points, some of the 3 million is not only for the pool. Somebody covers the locker room and other amenities along a lot with it. Just just was that in the six to seven million scope of the

091pool was was the locker room. So, so your locker rooms are going to be about, you know, depends, but they are on the building side, not the side. at 67 was just the aquatic facilities without locker rooms. All right. All right. So, I I think what we need to do is wrap this up for today. This is uh a lot of great information. This is thoughtprovoking. You know, let's uh uh get uh counsel uh from our attorney and uh to see where um how we can potentially participate or um what this looks like at the point. This is going to take some more workshopping uh until we can get somewhere and um so we would uh definitely invite you back for those conversations. Great. All right. Thank you for being here. Thank you for being

092Thank you for Thank you. Good job. Okay. So, uh that moves us now to 7.01 Neck Lability Insurance. And that's uh Mr. Spence Smith. Attorney Spence Smith. Thank you. All right. Ladies and gentlemen, the board might be in front of you. Uh this is uh professional liability insurance um with reference to the mental health counselors and social workers. Uh I think you're looking at um well, you're looking at it right there. The um professional liability premium is there in front of you. You also have the deck page starts on page 14. Um this is brokered um through Gallagher and so uh if there I think there's like um policies on there and uh this is brokered by Gallagher. So, if there's anything missing in the policy or we come across anything that wasn't uh thought

093of in my conversations with Gallagher, um then uh their Gallagher's ENO insurance would cover it. So, you're saying if there's certain exclusions under this plan that there's a they would still be covered because our our answer would be to go to Gallagher through ENO because Gallagher is not just simply the broker, they're also the consultant. And so they're telling us what exactly because my imagination sometimes if you check with my wife it's limited. Okay. And so sometimes Okay. Yeah. Especially with household things you know and what the house could be etc. But uh in that same idea you know with regard to mental health uh professional um concerns you know uh so I was worried about that. So I had a long conversation with them in depth to make sure that they our mental health

094counselors would be covered regardless because they definitely need to have coverage and I definitely applaud the district Angela O'Brien and Brandy Williams and taking this uh a step forward to present to you today. So this would be an additional insurance that we don't have. We're not currently covered. This would be an additional insurance we have right now. Yes, sir. Um, can you clarify what it means when it says defense costs are in addition to the limits of liability? So, you're saying something happens, there's a suit, we pay the million, but then if we had to defend ourselves, we have to pay that as well. That's only in in terms of the award of the settlement or or whatever it may be. Yeah. beyond the li the extension the beyond the limits of coverage we would

095have to we would have to pay for uh so we absorb the cost of our own defense but if there if we were to lose and and or or settle there would be a payout that's what would be covered no just the cost of the def just the defense costs oh it would cover the defense yeah just the fees as a reimbursement just the fees okay so like the lawyer fee we would be we would have to pay but if there was a judgement It would come out of the It would come out of the ENL. Okay. Um, and so this is I'm assuming that you shopped around in terms of this is a competitive policy, pretty standard. Uh, yeah. So, two different policies uh were presented and there was a notable difference with the

096same type of coverage. Okay. Uh, I also felt more comfortable with the personnel with Gallagher because I kind of got it that I want to uh, you know, get some answers pretty quick. And so I made some calls at like 5:00 p.m. 5:05. Nice. And it more when I got in in the morning at like 8. Uh, I had I had a call back from almost the entire team that's listed here because I kind of just went through them one by one just to see, let's see if anybody's working late. Smart. you know, nobody was, but they were definitely working early because I got a response from almost everybody on the team. And so that that meant something to me. That's great. So, going back to the piece with having, you know, representation and so

097forth being represented. Is there a limit up to it? They'll pay up to a certain amount for that attorney fee. Yes, it's uh I miss that somewhere. It's up to inclusive of uh a million dollars for each claim aggregate for three to three million. Yes, sir. Any other questions on this item board? All right. Thank you. Thank you for the opportunity. Thank you. Appreciate it. Okay. So, we'll move on to 7.02 Wellness Center update. Uh Mr. Chair Furry, Mr. Walker. I never go anywhere without my Mr. Copper. Uh we are here for basically a a brief update on um our wellness center and u more to follow. So I'm going to let Josh go ahead and chat us up. Excellent. All right board. So, we just want to take this opportunity to provide a brief

098update on the operations of our Flaggler Schools Wellness Center, which we were very excited to open on June 25th and have our ribbon cutting on uh July 8th. So, thank you guys so much for the support and uh attending and just kind of putting the word out there that the wellness center is open to Flaggler Schools employees and qualified dependents on a Flagler School's medical plan. So, here on the next slide, we just have a couple of fast facts. Now, mind you, this wellness center has still not been open for a month yet, if you can believe it. It's extremely exciting to see the early engagement we've been able to see throughout the district, and those numbers are starting to come in. Um, once we finish our first full month at the end of July,

099we'll be able to have more complete data sets as it relates to you uh utilization, appointment types, and things more of that nature. But as we sit here right now and as of July 16th, the wellness center has been able to complete 146 appointments, uh, with 164 appointments that have been scheduled, most of those in July. Now, just in the time that we've uploaded this to Board Docs, we've gotten some additional information I'd like to share. Um, so far as of July 21st, we have been able to complete 181 appointments actually at the wellness center with 103 scheduled or actually I apologize 210 from June 25th to July uh 21st and we have 103 still scheduled to complete this month of July with 71 scheduled for August. So, what we're seeing is we're seeing folks

100utilize the wellness center, getting their initial consultation or meeting with the provider, getting their labs completed with uh follow-up scheduled pretty quickly. So, feedback has been really great early on and we are expecting to get more and more data as it is uh open for at least a month. Okay. And we're also starting to see some of the initial things where um uh they'll get blood work requests from their from their uh preferred provider. Um but they'll still be coming through us to get the processing at the wellness center which is also be an insurance cost. Significant insurance cost savings. Yeah. A little bit help. Okay. What's the uh what's the wait time? So early feedback has been very quick. So for those of them that have appointments, which they all should for the most

101part, you know, we've had folks even in our office go forward and do it. I would say what 10 15 minute at at the most. I mean, people are getting in and being seen very quickly. And that's the benefit of this not just being a walk-in clinic, but one that is being um structured through appointments, even same day appointments for those that wake up, might not be feeling 100% calling in and getting appointments same day. Okay, that was my next question. So, they're able to move those in there pretty quickly as well. Yeah, absolutely. And then we're seeing our pre-employment drug screens are being run through the wellness center now for all non DOT drug screens and we're getting results same day which has been great. Wow. Yeah, it's been incredible. U now obviously uh

102what we really want is we want to string you know series of months together and you know come back again after the then we can talk about strengths and weaknesses. A little early right now from talking with the um the folks over at the at the wellness center. Um, one of the things is cuz they've been so busy, um, we're interested to see is once school's in session, if we continue through with that, I mean, it's a little bit easier to get down there now when we're you're still on vacation and and that's where we're going to really notice or have to monitor the times of making sure that we're open when it's convenient for our staff. I think I know we've talked about that before, but I think that's something we'll really have to

103monitor when we start open going back to school in August. And I think as long as we we are all on the same page that we have to be um receptive and nimble as far as the data goes and and uh um we can kind of stay ahead of curves and um potential issues to try and maximize our usage. I wouldn't Sorry. Go ahead. I wouldn't suggest it yet, but I'd still would like to think about a cash option for families maybe down the road if it slows down like outside of our like spouses. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um I I think also when we take a look and maybe once it's open a full quarter to analyze if we're meeting those metrics that um marathon required because remember there were going to be potentially additional

104costs for advertising in order to get a certain number of folks engaged. Um, I can't remember what the timeline was on that, but we probably want to do a spot check midquarter or midway. Um, just to see uh how how we're doing there. As well as I'm sure you're taking input results from their uh our team members participation in the clinic, right? They um Marathon has a survey system and we should be getting uh results back from uh their um their feedback and rating on on the services that they're receiving there. And um at the opening, which was wonderful. So, great job. I spoke with the X-ray tech. She has her basic X-ray at another marathon clinic and she she was just raving about you know just getting the numbers up and then you know

105eventually it would be great to have an X-ray machine. So, if we can I don't know how the tracking is like if there's a tracking of you know potentially a patient that came that maybe could have used an X-ray like just like you know a little tracker and then obviously it would matter how many patients they see for financial reasons to even buy purchase a X-ray machine how it works with their contract but that I know um I'm curious because you know injuries like that that could be very cost-saving to get an X-ray there instead of going to the ER and spending five times you know. All right. Thanks for that. I got one last question. I'm sorry. Is there are we doing like a survey after they leave? Yeah. So, a part of Marathon

106standard operating procedures, they have that feedback loop directly embedded into them. Yes. Okay. So, that's something we'll be looking for when we get that first month of reports. Those satisfaction should be a part of it as well. That's great. All right. That was a great update. Thank you. Thank you. Very encouraging. Thank you. Okay. So, we're going to move on to 8.01 um compliance report. Mr. Ber, sir, good afternoon, school board members, Chair Bur and Superintendent Moore. Um, I come before you this afternoon to discuss our quarterly compliance checks with the Office of Safe Schools um through DOE. During the fourth quarter, they did uh visit four of our schools. There was uh one deficiency found at obviously one of our schools. Um it was in regards to training. In the beginning of 2425 we

107um promoted two principles in the district. Um and as you when you become a principal you have to take an additional um training in related to threat assessments. Um one of our principles attended the second day of training uh wasn't aware that they had to attend uh the first day of training prior to the second day of training. So that was identified and it was corrected. Um, as soon as we identified it, uh, DOE actually came down the next day and provided the the principal the training. So, with that being said, we've got two new principles and so forth. Has that already been taken care of with the new ones or is this in the process needed training? Um, actually all of our uh schoolbased teams are being trained either uh starting this Friday and

108it'll continue through all of next week. So, okay. all of our staff members, um, principles, um, schoolbased teams, district teams will receive, uh, all the training they need in the next few days. And this has nothing to do with the other training piece, but that was keeping of records. The last deficiency we had from the other. So that's that was a managerial concern as far as the way I look at this um, was a was a mistraining. Sure. Okay. All right. Thank you. Thank you very much. Good job. Okay. So now this uh moves us on to 8.02 flag coast parcel uh mina board. Um, agree to the the um letter of intent submitted and um to this the the property that's in question is the that 1.3 acres um that's adjacent to Olive Garden

109and that's where it is located. Um so I went in and researched the property. Um if we if the board is desires of um declaring it as surplus, we have to assess the property if there's any incumbrances legal or otherwise. And um I found out easement in their um perparatoral ement conservation easement um in favor of St. 's river water management and it was given to them in 1999 as part of the mitigation for uh the storm water for uh Flaggler uh for FBC High and um as you can see on your screen uh there are several setbacks in there. Um that part is a wetland and it is um also uh part of the wet detention pond which um receives runoff from the town center. And so um if you are still um contemplate

110we can still they can still use the wetland. But the other thing is in um SREF which is state requirements for educational facilities um vehicular and um pedestrian traffic cannot cross and then um hazards should not be present in those um instances. So, um, if you look at it, there's really, um, there's really no leg room for this, um, property. And so, um, staff would still want to seek guidance from, um, the board if you want to retain this in the district properties or, um, surplus it and therefore make it available for sale. If it's made available for sale though, um if we do we have any um obligation in that sale to have to be able to bypass the conservation area designation of it like uh because if we own it and we surplus

111it, wouldn't we need to be responsible for that? And then that would involve a lot of fees that we would incur. Yes, we would need to ask St. John's to release us from um the easement and then it will have um we will have to provide um mitigation somewhere somewhere else. So there's a it would take a lot of time. We don't even know if there so we'd have to find mitigation on our property. Yes. Somewhere else. Yes. Okay. And can you speak a little bit more to the the impact that that would have to transportation way? Mhm. Well, transportation way. Yes. It the only access that they can have if in we decide to sell the property to them is on transportation way on Moody. There is there are um underground infrastructure in there

112um that do has easement on. I don't think they will um allow us to um interfere with that. And then you have the swell on the uh west of the property where uh water from town center goes through Moody and towards um Grove Lake. So if you look at um the appendix, those are the easements that we have on um on FPC. And if somehow we're going to sell this property, we would need to mitigate somewhere else. So we can't really we can't use it for anything except for water mitigation. Yes. Okay, that is essentially and and if if if we were to sell it, whoever bought it, their customers would have to pull into transportation way and then into their business. Yes. And it will present hazard for our nightmare. And then we don't

113know what the impact of moving like if they were to develop that area. Clearly, it's absorbing some runoff into that wetland area. And we know FBC, we put a lot of money into fixing this issue. We don't want to go back to the swimming pool. Yeah. Can um maybe this was why I was when I was on vacation. I'm not sure like why this was presented as uh is it just because this company is asking us for this? Yeah, they made an offer. Do they know what what is it that they want to do with it? I heard like coffee shop. It's a coffee shop. I think they were just looking I think they were going down the map and because all the land is getting taken up they're like oh there might be an

114opportunity there. So I think they were just exploring the the prospects of and because this the board has not given d previous direction that we were able to go to. We brought it before you. when we look at this, we do not um we do not recommend that this property um be sold because of the impact that it will have um to us, but we did not have that direction from you as a board. So, we brought this forward to you so that you could see what it is um that we see related to this. So, here's an interesting thing, you know. So, what there's two two issues here. One is the is the um is is using transportation way for the business. Secondly is the the cost of mitigation, right? So, um but the

115interesting thing here is the way that it's set up here and I don't know this is possible, but if it was if it was tied in to if say the the town center wanted to uh make this a a property, provide access through the Olive Garden parking lot there. Um I'm just saying in the future if we decided we would like to sell it because some of the mitigation if if the business can generate enough um income and it's worth it to them we can as a negotiation make them do the mitigation that we would have to do in order to sell it to them. Right. So uh but to to me anyways the the from the transportation way that's just a non-starter based as long as transportation is on that property. Well, or are

116they trying to build the access through the back of the parking lot through all garden? Because I'm thinking if I was a business owner, I would not wrestle that alligator. And already in that target parking lot, people have there's only like two entrances to go through to every business. Maybe that they're thinking of. Yeah. Well, I think their initial idea was that they would actually make an entrance right off of 100. probably what they thought like create a brand new one. But no other but no other business does that right there. They all had to go through the go into what is that landing whatever that that little on the other side you know. Well, I mean, because this wouldn't be part of that town center project. But if if it was part of it,

117like I was proposing there, then yes. But I I'm just saying I think their initial thought was either one, we would let them use transportation or they would have been able to put an entrance off 100, but then maybe learn later that that was not possible, right? Uh cuz cuz I if I was starting, I wouldn't want it to go through transportation way. I want to have a direct access off 100 if I was them. But I'm just thinking in the future if there if there if there wasn't like this this business that wants to buy it, if they said, "Okay, well, how how much do we really want to be there?" They could approach the town center and go through that direction uh rather than doing this and then pay the mitigation cost and

118then we could sell the propert. I think they offered uh 759 759. So they offered $759,000. you said a coffee shop, but I know in my mind right there was just thinking I mean it's easier said than done to build on that but depending on what they were going to build. I know a lot of students were having issues with all the vape shops that Yeah, we don't want that. So that's the thing like you know what if it's something that well they already go to Wawa and hang I would put something. Well, uh on the flip side, what is the cost to us for hanging on to this for something that essentially we can't use? Um, you know, or what is the is there any kind of financial burden for us at this point?

119Before answering that, I would say um we are using it, right? We're not we don't have a building on it, but because of the position of it and the work that has been done, it is beneficial to us from just the um the water the storm water um piece of it. Right. I'm sorry. Right. It has it. Right. So we we we I mean we don't have a building on there, but it definitely is helping the the infrastructure of the the school um um per se. But outside of that, I don't I am not aware of and I'm going to look at Corey Bush as well. I'm not aware of any other cost that it is causing us to to have um this continue to be a part of the the school. Okay. It may

120be priceless because of what it's doing with the water. Oh yeah, we may not be able to mitigate this another way. So all the work they did. So I guess for Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you out, but for right now, it appears as proposed it seems like it's a it's just not something that we could consider. Are we going to consider I think if they come back to the they'd have to come back to the table with something totally different for us. I I don't think that's even something we I don't think we could consider based off how we use it and what what's been mentioned. And then the offer is not. Yeah, that's the next phase. It would be we would have to get appraisals and things like that also. So I

121mean I mean the the the price per acre has really gone up a lot since all the commercial has been building there, especially on that spot. Yeah, it's prime real estate right on 100. I they're probably thinking they they probably I'm wondering if they're thinking of getting it switched from a wetland themselves and then um maybe they're thinking they would have the cost of having to move the whole drainage system there. So, I guess the question would be um what are they what is the alternative to the entrance that they would want if they're willing to answer that question? And could we if they uh if they still wanted to pursue this, could we put a clause like you cannot modify that that wetland pond? It would still be the perview of the St. John's

122Water Management District to tell us. So it's honest I mean I don't know just a suggestion you could put in there that they would have to solve that problem with St. John's water management giving you the property you've got to work out what you do before Yeah. before any paperwork gets signed you know their information from St. John do they know this this research that you have done or would they just find out about this today? Yes. Okay. So they're probably going to watch this and see what we just talked about here take this data and that may if they'll have to go back to the drawing board. I don't we're not we're not as far as I'm getting as the consensus we're not looking to to say hey give us a counter offer just

123you know hey we can't do this right now and I think thinking about it in the stages that you as a board would have to go in is first and foremost this property this land is not considered a surplus to you at at at the organizational level because of what it is doing um for us as far as um storm water that will be the first step, right? And um I think being very, you know, being very clear with the community as well as um this business owner regardless of who would mitigate and all of that, the board has to first and I want to just lean on you the board at this time. this is not considered a surplus and um we would be bringing we would need to would we need in order

124to respond to this individual with this data do we have to bring that before the board for some type of vote or can we use this information to to to say essentially this is not a surplus because it's not at this moment a surplus sure we could describe the nature of the property which is not a surplus if after they digest this information they brought something else back to the board for consideration. We could put it on a future agenda. Okay. We will respond to them with that. Okay. Is there a buffer value to this too? All right. So, thank you very much for that doing all the research. I appreciate it. So, um very good. So, that was YMCA. So, that just moves us down to public comment. Is there anybody for public comment?

125No, there's not. Okay. So, we will close that and uh we will just move on to board member requests. Are there any board member requests at this time? Okay. Then we'll move on to uh closing comments. Any closing comments? Nope. Okay. Superintendent Moore. See you tonight. 6 p.m. meeting.