001Good morning. It is Monday, May 5th. Happy Cinco de Mayo. Um would like to call this workshop to order. Please stand for a moment of silence followed by the pledge of allegiance. Thank you. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. All right, moving right along. Natalie, any public input cards today? Perfect. Uh, moving on to item 3.01. 01 code of student conduct and policy guide for 2526 Joseph Mabry and Carlos Ellis. Thank you Mr. Chair, board members, superintendent. Thank you for this opportunity to discuss the 2526 code of student conduct and policy guide. Uh this is something that we do annually by committee um to reflect uh statutory changes uh language
002clarification. Uh this is a living document um that will continuously change as statutes and state board rules change. We most recently found out um about the passage of a cell phone rule last week and that'll be reflected and Mr. Cis will discuss that. Uh this committee is comprised of uh schoolbased administrators from elementary, middle, and high along with other community members. Um the union is represented in that as well. Um and Mr. Cole has had an opportunity to look through uh the revisions as well. So this is a culmination of that work and that effort and Mr. Celis will discuss with you the changes for 2526. Good morning board members. Good morning uh superintendent. Um just a summary of this presentation. Uh we're going to be talking about alignment with the Florida statute, alignment with
003our policies and language clean up and clarification of the student code of conduct. The first thing that we have reflected in this document is the statute alignment with changes with excused absences regarding the 4 or FFA late or excused tardiness or excused absences. here in the near future, meaning, you know, this week, I'm going to be working on the cell phone statute change for elementary and middle school. It didn't pass until yes, you know, until last week. So, uh, we're going to reflect that towards the new code of conduct. So, we don't have to amend the code of conduct during the year. We'll have we'll put it out there for you guys revision. So when we put it to print, it already reflects those changes. So it's not it's not uh in the presentation, but
004we'll have it soon and I'll share you with you with those changes from the statute. We also have uh policy alignment changes to the due process uh policies 5611. We update this policy this year. This policy pretty much says that every time in the due process that we suspend a student from a school, we have to advise the parents within 24 hours via USA mail. Now the policy got changed and line it where that notification doesn't need to be by US mail. It can be done by email or any other way that the parents choose. So they can be either printing the suspension by hand in the car or anywhere. So, um it's just pretty much giving a little more uh open communication between the school and the parents about suspension in the due process.
005And then we have um some language cleanupification in the attendance rules, insurance, school counseling programs, prescription medication uh required medical management plans, non-prescription medication at head lies. Also other parts in behavior range of directives, strategies and disciplinary action, check in and check out, cancelling, detention and school plus attendance rule violation, inappropriate conduct or behavior. Level three, discipline, alcohol, drug use, possession, and level four, disciplinary action. So I'm going to go into more detail in this document. So I need to jump to the other document. Thank you. Uh it's very small but uh I'm going to go over this document. So what you can see on the left hand side is the page number where is reflected in the code of conduct. So if you see a 345 that's the page number. The next part is
006what we are changing what section of the code of conduct and who is responsible for those changes. As Mr. Mayberry said this is a collaboration so not every change has been made by my person but every department that collaborate for the code of conduct is reflected there and then we can you know we have the language clean up and everything. So I'm going to start with the first is the clarification about the attendance rule and the student services in page 45 in the attendance says that more than 10 excuse and excuse absesses is considered to be excess excessive. So the services is taken away a semester. So we're, you know, we're just saying that, hey, 10 will be excessive for attendance rule violation. Why can we ask questions now or you wait? Um, the cleanup
007of that will be and Dr. Landry, which is services change it. So I don't know if you want to wait and we can I'm I'm totally fine with you guys. It's totally up to you. We can wait just in case we have other she has several things that being changed by student services. So if you have more question okay you can just get off one time and you guys can answer. Sounds good. Um then as I of a statue in page five are as a skewed absences or targeted to school we're reflecting the 4 and future of America as a skewed absences or tardies. So that's just to be aligned with the stat. Then in page five uh of the student code of conduct, the bullet number 13 about student rules was contradicting with bullet
008number six. So in the code of conduct in bullet number six it says is asking to you have to turn in an excuse access to the school within 48 hours which the bullet number 13 is telling you that the parents can excuse the student within that nine weeks. So the the the code of conduct was contradicting and student services revised that language and we pretty much uh took away bullet number 13 which is says that um the documentation is needed within 48 hours that the student return to school. the student uh if you were to go to our uh to a student code of conduct. Number six says that whether the student of compulsory school age is absent or chartered school without permission of the person in charge of the school the parent guard or
009the student will within a grading period. Okay, after the absence. So you see 13 said 48 hours but six says within the marking period. So, we were having, you know, questions from a school. Which one do uh we uh why did you choose why did you choose to eliminate this one? Seems to make a lot more sense. So, and and um Dr. Landry with the student services will clarify with that with you. So, we have that. So, she because this part is coming from a student service attendance rule violation. She they I say, "Hey, we're having that problem. The schools are calling me. Which one we go with?" They revise it. They propose the changes and they will come in a second and uh explain that reasoning for you guys. Um Mr. Selis, if you
010don't mind, I think we're going to jump around a little bit to risk management others. If Dr. Landry, do you mind coming up now so we can at least address these first two or three questions before they get too far away? Hi, good morning. Good morning. So, I think the first question was around the taken out semester for the 10 excused unexcused absences, right? So chronic I was just thinking about this um this change came from one of my coordinators but um it's supposed to align with statute that 10% of the school year is considered chronic absent absenteeism. So it be 18 days. Yes. Not 10. It says days not percent, right? It does say days. Okay. I um makes sense to me just to leave it. Leave what? Leave what's in here now. More
011than 10 excused unexcused absences in a semester is considered to be excessive. Why change it if we don't have to? Because that's actually correct. So there won't be any change. Won't be any change. We'll just leave it like it is. So the red outline it will we will not strike in a semester. It will be 10 in a semester. Correct. Okay. And so if a student um has those particular conditions, I know there are particular schools in the district that don't allow that student to participate in the graduation ceremony and and that's that's driven school by school, right? That's not correct. The district Well, I I I guess I'll just throw this out there. There's a student in high school in my district who reached that point last year and is told that they're not
012going to walk for this year. And so here we are this close to the end of the year and they've decided to leave our high school and said, "Okay, I'm done." You know, yes. Um that is unfortunate and that would have been a principal decision. I apologize. I I don't have any influence over that. No, honestly. No. I wish I had known about that. Yeah. I just found out about it yesterday. I said, "What? Really?" The student dropped out of school because they can't walk at graduation. Said, "Dude, I'm done." Well, and we need to do something. So, you know, I guess, you know, I'm wondering there's not another side to that story. There could be more to that story, but you know, I I disagree with it. You know, like if anytime during your
013four years, if you have meet if you've met this criteria, apparently you're not allowed to walk at graduation 3 years later or in this particular case, it was last year um exceeded the the absence number. It doesn't say that anywhere in here. No, not here. It's a school rule, right? And I'm I'm curious about that. But I would love to know more and would love to follow up on that. If you've got that information, I'd love to get that from you. I can get some more information. I can I can find out exactly who the kid is. Yes, I would because, you know, I'm just kind of hearing it from somebody else who knows the kid and and there may be more to the story, but um I don't know. The rule rule seems kind
014of funny to me. Yeah, I would love to look into that further. Okay. I think the second question Mr. Matias right was um the contradiction between 6 and 13 and in bringing it in front of the committee and just talking within our group at student services we were airing on the side of giving parents more time uh to turn in those notes but certainly we're at the will of the board. So, if you guys would prefer that we leave 13 instead of six, that would be my preference cuz I can't believe you're going to go nine weeks. You missed the first day of the semester and then go nine weeks and they have all that time. Well, I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why the delay from a parent side. It's it's a very
015cumbersome process now uh with focus that now I have to write the note, snap a photo of the note, send that note to my computer, upload the note in focus or try to do it all through here versus in the olden days you could just send in a piece of paper. You can't send in a piece of paper anymore. They say they don't want paper. Don't make another school decision to me. So I don't know you got to go and focus and indicate it. So I think in 48 hours I can take a freaking picture. Well, but it's a cumbersome process because I write the note. I physically write the note. Now I got to take the photo. Now I got to go. Unless I'm as if I'm not logging in through my phone and
016I'm doing this through the computer. This is this is why parents aren't doing it because they're logging. I don't do it, Bill. I I don't do it. I don't do it either. I leave my kids unexcused. I don't I just take it unexcused. Me, too. 100% every time. Okay. Well, that's your that's choice. It is a parent choice. I I don't but I don't disagree. Like having three kids in the system and if Jayce is home puking and a couple days go by, I'm like, I don't care. His grades are fine. Now, if his grades were suffering or if there was something happening, I would probably be more diligent about it. But sounds like could I just give a little bit more feedback? Um, when we end up taking these students to truency when this
017becomes a problem, um, the 48 hours is an excuse that a lot of parents use, like, well, I'd write more notes, but I just don't have time. And it it sounds the judge is a little bit sympathetic to that. So, could you increase to 72 and not go 9 weeks? If you change the process, it would it would drastically change things. So, if you went into Focus, like there are so many reasons that we excuse a kid, right? Why do I have to write a note that says, "My kid was sick, take a picture of that, and upload it." If I can just log into Focus and click my kid was sick that day, then that process is done. So, wow. Yes. Um, that's it. So, none of that really has I don't have much
018influence in those areas, but I I am gonna I'm gonna write that down and we can look into it. like either parents should be able to go right into focus and do it or send the note and have the data clerks do it. That was how I understood it was being done, but clearly not in all schools. Well, perhaps we need some consensus throughout schools. I mean, just because your child goes to school in Umatillaa, the rules shouldn't be totally different in Claremont. I agree. And on the side of the school, it's a nightmare to give parents nine weeks to get those notes in. Um, we need to think about the data clerk because they got to keep track of all that stuff and they got to go back. So, um, so what do you
019all recommend? 72 hours, Mr. Matias. Well, as a compromised position, I don't seems to me like when my two boys were in school, if they were sick, the next day you brought a note in. Yeah. I mean, that was the next day. Agree. So, so letting it go nine weeks certainly tolerable. If it gives you more time to snap a picture and upload 72, I would be I'm just not okay with nine weeks. That's my problem. Yeah. Meanwhile, we'll look into an option that might make it easier for parents within focus. I would imagine that that's probably a very simple fix. Um yes, I people are shaking their head. Yes, that's if if it's easy to do in focus, then my advocacy would be to stay with the 48 hours. Okay. Yeah. opinion that seems
020like it would take work off the school side too because then they don't have to process these notes, right? Read the note, match up the date. I mean, just store the it becomes a lot less cumbersome and maybe that will lead to greater effectiveness. I don't know. Okay. It's probably why the schools are telling I don't have strong opinions on the numbers. I mean, if the judge is sympathetic to 48 hours, I don't know how much 72 hours really changes that. What about like a week? 24 hours. I mean, it does change 24 hours, but does that change in 24 hours? I don't know. I I was thinking it was also, but if that note really comes in at like 96 hours, do they really turn it away? Do they deny the note? Probably not.
021Probably. I I don't know. It sounds like a school by school decision. I have gotten a few phone calls from parents this year, upset parents that they didn't get it in on time. That's actually how we came to realize this. Um because I'm sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt. Go ahead. Thanks. Um I would I would be um my recommendation would be a week. um simply because it is it is a nice balance and when you say to a judge judge parents have a week to get these letters in um he might be more willing to say okay that's pretty reasonable. Yeah. So when the judge says that do we say all you got to do is write a freaking note. How long does that take? No. I mean seriously I understand. I understand. But,
022you know, when you take truency cases in front of the judge, they he they all the judges we've had over the years, they will um they want to support the families as much as possible. And I guess that's a good position to be in when you're, you know, when you're a judge. That's what you're So, so then is the thought to remove number six and change bullet 13 to within one week? That sound reasonable to everybody? Okay. Yes. and we will look into parents entering it into focus. Yeah, that is a good point, Mr. D. That'd be wonderful. Well, and I'm also trying to think like um about the parents that are in the in these hearings that might present a little bit of a different challenge. And I mean, I was also thinking like
023when your flu runs through your house and there's five of you, it takes a little bit time to get back on your feet, but that's probably not the people that are in a truency hearing either. So, I think that's a week is good. I do too. I'm not sure if this one was yours because I wrote this down first when I was going to be quiet like the presentation. All these questions wide away. Let's get them all. I'm not sure if it's you or not. Okay. The how we're notifying parents that their kids are suspended that right now we're required to do it by US mail. So yeah, the the the statute changed and we changed our policy. And now we're changing the code of conduct where it says that now the school can have
024a a secondary or another way of communicate that suspension with the parents either via US mail that's still being a choice within 24 hours who is making that choice the the the disciplinary uh person like I'd like to see us still send it by mail and that's always been a choice and most schools either gave gave it to him, but everyone mailed it. Correct. But policy was was always saying within 24 hours by mail. Now the statute tells you you have to notify the parents in 24 hours. Leaving the how to notify the parent a little more to the if if the if if the parent decide, hey, don't don't send me any more notification by mail. Hand it to me or hand it to Johnny to give it to me. That's something that gets
025pre-arranged by the administrator and then it it gives But we're doing district-wide policy here, right? Right. So So it seems to me if you if you want to give it to Johnny, which if I were Johnny, I'm not giving it to my parents. That's what happened. That's what But but US mail is pretty consistent and at least there's proof that we are, you know what I mean, that we're doing. There's also there's also um verbal notification to the parent and then the parent will indicate how they would like to receive the formal documentation of it. So we're talking to parent saying your child um has been suspended. Um how would you like the notification? Do you want me to give it to him to bring home? Do you want me to mail it? Um so
026it just it gives another option the parent. If you emailed it, the parent has that could have that position. It went in my spam. I never got it. But they're not finding out about the suspension from this from this notification. They're getting a phone call. They're not waiting for the US mail to arrive and be like, "Oh, wow. Bill got suspended." That's correct. Because he's already suspended. So, what's the what's the this is just having the written docu How do you want to get the written documentation of this phone call that I just gave you? Do you want me to just email this to you or do you want it by mail? Snail mail. So, we're going to confirm the conversation. Yes. Yeah, that's right. By mail or email. You need that documentation. And I
027understand there's some parents you may have a good relationship with and you see them in the car line, but there's something just better about you being able to produce a piece of paper and say, "Hey, I mailed this to you." And are we sending it certified or not in the past? Just mail? Yes. It's just mailed. Some things we have to send certified once they escalate if it involves hearings and and court and other things, but um a lot of times we're receiving return mail as well for addresses not being That's true. Correct. That serves another purpose. Then you know when people haven't told you where they live, right? That's right. That doesn't happen. I mean we can put the end meaning the 24 hours a US mail and another way that the I'm totally
028good with that 100%. put in the end. So the school can do always the the US mail notification and then via email or via car rider pick up line because I think the intent is to make sure they get that hard copy and US mail obviously is an archaic way of doing that 25 and it's not always foolproof so and not quick you know if I'm a parent in that situation I want to see this paper as soon as I can right you know I'm going to be waiting you know yeah cuz the suspension could be one day time that the mail comes is it's already over. So, uh I will put the N in that notification. So, we uh we have a little more flexibility two options to notify the parents that well the
029verbal the US mail and if the parents want it by email or any other way we'll notify them that way. But that's agree each school which each parent how they they get notified. Okay. Um any other question? Let me so so also I wanted to say the student service also strike out number 18 attendance rule where it says administration attendance rule that attendance office under the supervision of the principal or designates allowed the flexibility to design the paperwork procedures of the coordination with the school counselor office and the implementation of the attendance rules. So uh that part and also is being strike out of attendance rule notific uh in our code of conduct by student services. So are we having one uniform option now that everybody will use by not allowing the flexibility. Is that
030how I'm reading that? That's what I believe a student service is trying to minimize that makes sense ambiguity of I do whatever I do one thing in one school you know together with perfect Dr. Landry's coming up real quick just to confirm you're yes excellent thank you very much thank you Dr. Great speech. Uh then risk management in page 16 about the insurance is saying that the school board of Lake County has purchased a student access insurance for all students and this insurance provides a secondary coverage in the event of a injury. is, you know, designed to cover and deductibles of other out-of-pocket expenses that might be incur everything except for football uh players. Okay. And um and if the student plays football, if you wish to, they could have, you know, they can purchase
031through a another vendor extra coverage in that case. Um Mr. Oyer just put there he updated the website that uh parents can check all this uh insurance. Does that include flag football at the middle school? Anything football related? I wondered that. That's a good question. That's a good question. Okay. What about soccer? Cuz they call that football country and I think some some of the soccer games will be also includes soccer but it's not bad. It will include soccer. No no no no. Just the insurance includes soccer. Huh? The insurance includes soccer. The exception is American football. American football. But the flag, that's a good question because I'm looking at the link right now and it just appears to say football either spring or or whatever else, but it doesn't seem to specify flag or
032not. This flag is not tackle obviously. So, right. Yeah. Okay. Good clarification though to get that answer. Um if we continue in page 17 we have they just changed the language from um that to who to clean up the meaning the understanding of that part and also the individual in individual consolation is they took the in out of it. Uh page 33, prescription medication. They changed the language. They clarify that all medication must be in the original container and stored under log P. The non-prescription there is also a clarification from student services when the nonprescription medication should be delivered by the parents and guardians but the non-prescription medication might be administered for 72 hours three consecutive school days and might be continued the following week if 72 hours includes the weekend. So I guess there
033was some contradiction there. It's like hey the week they were counting those 72 hours the weekend. So now it's clarified that that the weekends is not part of those 72 hours. Um then the required medical management plans at the end they say that the plan you know if there is any um just you know updated contact the school nurses or student services so they can go straight to the stu you know the school nurses and parents must provide current medical do documentation annually. They clarify that because the parents could say that and then three years later say, "Hey, I notify the school." They need to do it annually or days. Is that three days or is it school days? Three consecutive school days. School days. School days. Exception of weekend and holidays. When would they
034ever prescribe school? When would they get any kind of medication? After school hours. So, so the you see if it says 72 hours. Yeah. In my world, those would be time that you're sitting at your seat. Dr. Landry. Hi. Hi. So, under consultation from my nursing folks, of course, because I'm not a medical person, um when a student takes um non-prescription medication for 3 days, 72 hours, um they feel like the child should be checked out for needing something more serious. So, after 72 hours, if you're taking um ibuprofen or you're taking something over the counter and your parent says you can, we're allowing you to take it for 3 days. And then the nurses say, "If you still need it, you probably ought to go see your doctor." So, could we could we save
035some words if we just said non-prescription medication may be administered for three consecutive school days? Um, sure. I agree. Sure. The the correction this year came from parents um being confused when the 72 hours was by the weekend. Yeah. So, we would just take out that reference of 72 hours because it wouldn't matter for the weekend because we just said three consecutive school days. That's exactly right. Okay. Three cons. So that wording to you would indicate Thursday, Friday, and Monday. Okay. Yeah, that's fine. Yeah, they sure would. I have a question. Yes, ma'am. Long ago, parents would bring in there were kids who had chronic headaches. Yes. So, they would bring in like Tylenol and the child had a note that said, you know, when I have a headache, I can go see nurse and
036take Tylenol. Maybe that's antiquated, but do we no longer have those kind of situations? No, we actually do and it's in statute starting. So, how do we address that? Because that's longer than 30 days. There may be other questions. I mean, if you have a headache this week and you don't have a headache for a week and then you have a headache, how does that That doesn't apply to this rule. Okay. Because it's in statute now that children can carry if they have a permission from their parents for anything that can resolve a headache. It's it's reserved for headaches. Okay. So, you said they can carry. Does that include elementary kids? So, how do we handle them? They go to the nurse. Okay. So, there's something different that addresses them. I mean, a different It's
037in our um It's not included in the student. It is. It is not. I don't I don't think they'd have to have the parental written consent, but shouldn't it be included in the code? At secondary number five on page 33. At secondary schools only, students may carry the following medication with written parental consent on Lake County schools. And it lists there everything that we've determined, well, our nurses have determined can be used for headaches. Okay. So, what about elementary kids? Well, this so I'd have to I'd have to ask. I'm not I'm not sure there's that latitude. Okay. At elementary. Okay. I just think we need to address them. At elementary, they would they would have to receive the medication from a a school employee. So, they would have filled out this non-prescription medication consent
038form. Yes. So, right. Does so does that that consent form apply after three consecutive school days? Nope. So after that 3 days an order must be secured from the child's medical provider. So the medical provider would provide that. Correct. And so then they can continue beyond the three days. Yes. To see the nurse. Right. To see the nurse. And the nurse would continue providing that. Yes. They wouldn't be carrying it on their person. They would No. But Right. So are you asking me if it's different for elementary? No. I'm asking headache. I'm asking you how does an elementary parent know what the rules are if it's not included in the code? So it is they would fill out the non-prescription medication form. How it is included because it says after the three school days an
039order must be secured from the child's medical provider. So they they would have to get a headache. You just get the doctor to prescribe Todd and then you bring that order back to the school and then they would within nine weeks. Okay. Stop it. Okay. So the difference now is they have to get an order from the doctor. In the past they did it. Um different now meaning when you now get it a while ago because this is not new this year. They were just trying to clarify the 72 hours what that meant. So that doesn't deal with is it dealt with someplace else? No, I think this pro I think I don't think they're changing the process. They were just trying to clarify what the 72 hours meant. Okay. Is that right? And I
040have no problem with that. But my question is where do we tell elementary parents how to handle that? Where is it included? It is right here. Non-prescription medication. So from reading this, an average elementary parent is supposed to know what you just told me. Well, the average elementary parent is probably not reading this. I think they're getting this information from from the school. I think I think if they're saying, "Hey, my kid has got chronic headaches and and I'm going to have to disagree with you there." Um, I've dealt with a lot of elementary parents and elementary nurses and I've not had that experience. I've ended up with those people in my office wanting to know how their kid is going to get their Tylenol, which is why I'm asking. Okay. So, you would like
041me to No, I just want you to explain to me how an elementary parent if if this is the explanation, that's fine. Um, I just want to understand how an elementary parent knows how to deal with their child who has chronic headaches. So, I think what you're telling me is they go through this process and then after 3 days, cuz we know that's going to happen cuz this is a kid who has a history of having headaches. So, they need to just get an order from the doc. Yes. Okay. But if they had chronic, wouldn't they already have the notice from the doctor? Not waiting 72 hours, would you? Well, I don't know. You know, we're talking about parents. Well, we are trying to I mean, we're trying to make it consistent, right? And we're
042also trying to be fair. Right. Right. And this 72-hour thing keeps popping up. But if you're chronic where you need aspirin every day, you probably already had a prescription from a doctor and then that's a different area. That's um prescribed medication and there's a different But Tylenol is pres Tylenol. If it comes from a doctor, it's considered prescribed. How many days go between the 72 hours? So if I have a kid that and the reason I'm asking is because if it's allergy season, you know, you have a headache, you take, you know, you got Claritin or an ibuprofen and then you you've done it a couple days at the elementary school and then two weeks go by and now I need it again. Is that like is there a time span where it's you're eligible
043to go back or does that become because No, I wouldn't take them to the do I mean my kids do have allergies. I have redheaded fairkinned babies. So what's the waiting period? Yeah, what's the waiting period between the 72? Yeah, the form. Okay, go ahead. Um, so I've been researching because I actually was like, I don't know either. Um, my understanding, which I think is what Chris was saying. So, yes, when you get to the point, I think allergies is a really good example. Chronic headaches, I was a chronic headache kid when I was little, but the rules were different then, too. Um, then it does you would have to have the medical note from the doctor, and that's where this non-prescription medication consent form comes from. So once you go past the 3 days
044or 72 hours, whichever way we decide we're going with three consecutive school days, then that's when the doctor's note would be needed. So that you could have that the Advil or Tan on the in the nurse's office for allergy season when you have the student like that. I would just get headaches from lights like this when I was little. So I mean things like that, you would have the medical note and then fill out the same form and it would be communication via the nurse. Okay. And so it just I think making sure that when we are speaking with parents and we do probably it comes in attendance, right? We see some attendance issues. Maybe the student's not coming to school, maybe because they're having headaches and maybe through the nurse making sure that they
045understand fill out this form and we can try to help you help your student be in school more frequently so that we can mitigate like their different symptoms. So do the parents bring this in? Yes. Well, they used to. Yes. In middle school and high school, they can carry it themselves. But you could go three days, not get aspirin one day, and then you got three more days. Technically, you could, but a nurse is going to be involved and going to help do the right thing. Family, especially in elementary, they don't have it on. They would have to go to the nurse, and the nurse at that point would be looking for something that this this form. Yes, this form to make sure that we're doing the right thing for the student as well medically.
046Thank you, ladies. Can we get it straightened out? Everybody good? Yes, sir. We're going three consecutive school days. Every place that it says 72 hours in this. Okay. All right. Gotcha. All right. Thank you. Now, if one of those days is early release over to the fourth day, half a day on the fourth day. Thank you, Dr. Landrea. Just wondering, change it to three consecutive school days. Mhm. Um moving along the next one is uh headlines they're changing student services changing per recommendation that to the word clarification of we have taken into the guidance provided by the um I if I were you I'd want to know hey why are we changing what we're look what we're uh I don't think we're not changing right we're just changing the wording of instead of the recommendations
047now we're saying we're calling that guidance yes and there's there's a very specific And it's because um the AMA and whatever agencies that we um look to for recommendations here, they are now saying that um they're okay with live lice in schools. What? Yeah, that's not new. We we went through this years ago. Years ago. You really looking for dead life? No, we did. And what's not what used to not be recommended before this year was the knits. A long time ago, we didn't want e any of that in our schools, right? And then we changed it a couple of years ago because they all recommended that knits, we can't keep kids out of school for knits only, only for live lice. So, it's an egg. The eggs. Um, so we're still ex we're still
048saying if you've got live lice, you're going home to address that. Yes. Yes. Right. Right. So, so, so the policy hasn't changed. We're just changing recommendations to guidance. Yes. We are we actually aren't following. We're considering their recommendations, but we're Okay. Cuz we, you know, we have some very savvy parents who read this and they look stuff up and so we just want to be careful with our wording. When does a knit hatch? Question. Does it go after school? Those knits are less than three day three school days old then weeks. Any other questions on likes? We can keep this rolling. We good. Let's see. Am I done? I'm just going to look and see here. I think you are done. No, you got counseling. Counseling. Counseling is not me. So, okay. Used to be
049a while ago, but that's actually um college and career readiness now. So thank you Dr. Landry. Of course Carlos your show once again my friend. All right check in and check out learning a lot. You and me both in page 44 curriculum instruction in our intervention check in and check out. They are adding the language of a strategy that provides a student with a routine feedback on behavior and increase positive adult attention daily. I guess it was too lacking of a of understanding from the school and curriculum just change that to uh have a little more uh understanding of what check in and check out intervention is for the students and staff in page 44. Um college and career readiness just changed instead of saying behavior problems to difficulties. I'm sorry just one second. So
050I don't understand what that says at all. a strategy that provides students with routine feedback on behavior and increases positive adult attention daily. So who I that's a lot of words, but if I'm a parent, I got no clue what this So is an attempt to clarify the language and give a little bit more explanation. So check-in checkout is most often used through our MTSS process when we have students who just need that daily they come to school, I'm going to go check in with my school counselor. like, "All right, how are we doing today? We good? Did we have breakfast? Did you sleep well? We're gonna have a good day." Right? Okay. Yeah. Go to class. I'm here. Right. Okay. Then at the end of the day, they might come back and be like,
051"How'd your day go? Did we have a good day? Everything was good. Any any issues? Like, what can we talk about real fast so we can mitigate this so tomorrow we don't have another one?" So, it it is a strategy used in MTSS when we're dealing with our students who are having some behavior difficulties. So, that daily interaction with a trusted adult. Normally, it's a school counselor. Sometimes it's an administrator. It could be a teacher. Um, it might be the front office clerk who has a Thank you. thing. Does that make sense? Yeah. But why do we include it in the student code? It's in the NTSS part. Oh, okay. Yeah. I think it's written in kind of funny language where it's not necessarily complete sentences because this is a whole section of definitions. Yeah.
052Gotcha. Okay. Thank you, Mr. CIS. All right. Um 44 would change our Korean college readiness change work problems behavior problems for difficulties. Um now safety and security in page 45 we had in the code of conduct the as a as a disciplinary action detention and school plus together. So to clarify detention is any time that the student is being held for disciplinary action during the school day which is school plus could be Wednesday school or Saturday school is off hours of the school. So the the schools were getting confused what the detention and a school plus was and we separate the two definitions as an outcome of a disciplinary action that can happen. uh from the admin administrator giving uh discipline to the students. Um so we cleaned the detention the school plus we kept
053it as a detention. A student may be detain the disciplinary racing for extended length of time after you know after school upon notification the parents and legal guardian at least 24 hours in advance. Reasonable detention during non-instruction time of a student might be permitted during the school day. and transportation of a student following tentious responsibility of the parent. Okay. Then a school plus is again in page 45. We divide you know break into two. A student might be detained for the disciplinary reason extending length of time after school on Saturday or on Saturday upon notification student parents or legal guardian at least 24 hours in advance. The students are required to bring and perfor school work. Transportation student following school plus is responsibility of the parent. Okay. And failure to a school plus might result
054in other disciplinary actions. Should they be able to take? So um we don't provide transportation to school plus. Right. Right. I wonder if it should say transportation to and from versus because because I think we just copied this language from the detention which was occurring after school. So of course you wouldn't have transportation following that. So on a Saturday will be different will be two to and from responsibly the parent and um is is 24 hours notice out of do we end up with with parents saying wait he can't go to school on Saturday we're going to be out of town. we're going to be I don't know like um well do they have flexibility on which Saturday they end up going the administrators the disciplinary officers have you know because the Saturday school is
055not always in place so they might do it once a month and they might advance you know in advance tell the parents and they might take the Wednesday school or Saturday school but that's definitely there's a flexibility from the administrator to come to you know, a middle ground there with the parents about if they have some other activities and um if not that that's when they could go to a detention. Maybe this the parents that can go detention or to in a school suspension, but usually I'm not going to get into a school suspension, but yeah, that's that's a talk that the parents administrator gets on that. and um student services in attendance rule violation um is just taking the word the students in excuse and truent and the school might take disciplinary action so
056uh clarification of the language um at this point any questions on this one Landry Dr. Andrew, are you safe on this one? We good? I think we're good. All right. Now, the next one. in an appropriate conduct of behavior. We are adding only for to be used for prek and to second grade students engaging in an indecent misconduct such as exposing or showing his or her private body parts in a manner that is not l unless there is no proof that a student has conscious you know sexual intent of conduct and the officers the The disciplinary officers were going to a level three sexual offense and they were coding the pre, you know, BPK, kindergarten, first and second graders with a sexual offense code where the kid was not just being Lu and the civious
057and we wanted to explain that. We have several schools saying, "Hey, this is not Lu on the Civius, but there was no other code for the administrator to code that action." And we are putting prek to second grade because Cesar put that prek to second grade even though the student might do an action they align with cessors. So they they would be they could be where we don't apply any discipline. For example, elementary school a first grader bring a knife without knowing that it's a real knife. Cesar is saying please code it as a weapon on campus or a school ground. But you as an administrator can say that there's no discipline because the kid had no clue that that was a weapon. So aligning oursel with Cesar that's what we put prek to second
058grade if the investigation shows that it's not a lu and lascivious the administration can put this call as inappropriate if the student did something exposing I also research other uh code of condo other counties around and they had in this exposure exposure of but I didn't want to go that far. I wanted to keep it in appropriate behavior condor or behavior so the school has something that they can you know uh write down a um notify the parents that this happened without going to a sexual offense in the code of conduct. Are you good with this? I'm very good with that. Thank you. Yeah, I'm aware of an incident. We have a lot of elementary this year calling us. is like Carlos. Yeah. Sexual offense. It's like it's it is a kindergarten, right? So, or
059a disabled prek or disabled or somebody. So, per theor guidelines, like if a third grader were to do this, they're deemed to be competent enough to be LWD and lascivious. Correct. And if the investigation by administration come out with that no this behavior was L and lascivious then they'll go to the sexual offense that that will you know after the investigation they know that he got so there's still an appeal process for a third fourth or fifth grader. Correct. if they were to do the sample. Correct. Okay. Um but is there any interview of the child because Yes. Yes. In the investigation, the due process of the interview about what's happening that the teacher can have he doesn't want to show his PP. Correct. Correct. Yes. I do that a lot. Um then in the
060page 50 um in the in the disciplinary interventions we in as a level three we have in our code of conduct that level three infractions may be subjective to alternate disciplinary placement from a school for no more one for no more than one year full calendar year on case by case basis. So level three cases and I put it afterwards in the alcohol and drugs. So that kind of come together because al the the level three says you may suspend the kid alternative place the kid but then alcohol and drug possession which are level three says that only you can s be suspended for 10 days. But it's a case- byase basis because if I'm a student and I bring amount of drugs to school. So that's why we say that hey in case by
061case cases or if the student has been has a history of misbehaving and have a stu you know behavior contract with the school then that student may be attorney place or recommended by attorney place by the principal. So on the alcohol and drug use, it's still going to be you will be suspended for up to 10 days. It's not a you may be suspended. So if there's a small amount of drugs per your example, the students still will be suspended up to 10 days. There's no situation where they wouldn't be suspended at all. Correct. Okay. Those students is it in it's the option of inschool suspension? No, no, no, no, no. This is for alternative placement. Now we are alternative placing the student. So the student is going somewhere. He's going somewhere. Correct. Correct. Not
062just home. Correct. Typically like success. Like success. Next success. Or I think I'm getting ahead of you, Carlos. That's my bad. I'm on the alcohol and drug use possession ones. So I think you're still on the one above 50 with the case by case. I agree. So do we have So let's pretend that a student has Can he be sit there for longer than a year? No. for alternative placement level three and four is not we have in a code of conduct that is no more than one year for those alternative placement. Okay. Zero tolerance offenses are different. Zero tolerance offenses could go farther than one year. Yeah. Thank you. Which are higher levels of offenses. Got it. Okay. Um and again if a if if a student has have a history that year of
063so many offenses and then I do something I I I do one more bringing drugs to school is by case by case which if you see the the the code of conduct it was only suspended up to 10 days even though I have been suspended many times now I can be alternative place if the school decide to do so. So um in level four in page 53 we change the student found to have committed level four infraction school property school sponsor transportation or during the school sponsor activity may receive 10day suspension before we have the shaw and and I I I don't want to tell you how many schools schools are not but all level fours were not being suspended for 10 days. We want to give a little more. You know, the school can
064see every case and decide if it's going to the level four can be for 10 days of OSS. Would you want to add up to in that one as well, Carlos? Cuz how I'm reading that, if we've got a level three that will be suspended up to 10 days above, would you like that to also But then we're saying may receive a 10day suspension. So, would it be will receive up to a 10day suspension to match that language? Okay, that seems to make more sense. I like may and the reason I do is because parents if they see up to to them you're saying okay you don't you don't have to give them 10 days. I think we're creating a problem for the administrator who's handling the issue. I mean it says the same thing
065but I think the perception by parents will be very different. So then would you want to change the level three language as well that on page 50 because then if we're saying a level four may but a level three will that doesn't seem to make much sense. So I like the on drug and I like consistency may may okay may all of them may be suspended up to 10 days for all of them. Is that what we like? Yeah because they're always could be extinguating circumstances. So maybe suspend there up to 10 days for the ones on page 50 as well. Yeah, those alcohol assessor and drug use possession cessor. 51. I mean, heaven forbid, but if we have alcohol at the Lake Hills prom, we don't want to send them away like that. Correct.
066And that's why that's why we say the Shaw was too strong and the schools in all honesty were not suspended 10 days for every level four because uh there are some codes that might not yeah deserve the 10 days. So um however if the students is recommended for alternative placement then the student shall be suspended for 10 days. Now I'm just alternative replacing you for so long much longer than the 10 days then you got to go for 10 days at that point. Um I'm not going to touch page 58. That's the um that's the part that I'm going to change for the the US mail. That's a due process of page 58. I'm sorry. Back to 53 real quick. Um why do we need both bullet points then? I don't see a clear difference
067between the two. Like if we're doing something on school property or if we're doing something that may be subject to alternative placement like what what's the difference there or I guess why is bullet point two important to have there? So the the first bullet is just within the school there are going they can be five days. So it says or seven days or 10 days. the bullet you know the second one is now I'm alternative I'm recommending this the principal is recommending to our office the alternative placement for that incident even if it was on school property school sponsor you can still that gives you the latitude to do that okay it just seemed weird having just that section but kind of like what Mr. dots earlier. There's probably more clarification in the whole page
068than just these two bullet points. Okay. Uh 58 again is about the due process, the written notice that I already that we're going to have and the the you know us. Yeah. And that end I just want to mention can we go back to the presentation. Yeah. So if we go back to the presentation and the page thank you and I just wanted to express that all these people were part of this. I know that Dr. Landry was very active today with you guys but all this group of people uh between departments and APS were part of the uh review committee or collaboration for uh the student code of conduct. I know that we have been asking question what we were doing. So if you let me know if you have any question um any
069more question I will make the the changes that you guys uh gave me today and I will uh share with you or with you know with the with the board those changes so you can revise one more time before it goes up in the public. Okay. Any other questions? I have a question. I don't have anything about the changes or anything. I'm just curious the makeup of the committee. In the past, it has always included a combination of principles and assistant principles and a board member. Is there a reason for this change? And um are you specifically asking about the board member component about? No, I'm more concerned with the principal component. I have principles on there. the PR I have I have assistant principles. I will I will uh add if you now I
070just was wondering why there was change the principal part. Oh why the why the why the makeup of the committee now does not include principles. Yeah I I I decide not to bring the principles out again. this time I did it in person and I then I I I didn't want to take the principles away from this but if definitely if that's a recommendation I will bring them back next year without any problem to I would recommend that you have uh we've actually had people above principal be a part of it before. I think that's important. Okay. Um thank you for the recommendation. I thank you. Uh, no, no, I will definitely include them for and I will include them several for different levels and regions. Thank you. Any other questions for Mr. Cis? I
071I I got one. I I want to and I don't know if it's specifically or maybe it's a more of a safety security type question. Okay. So, let's uh I like to talk about vaping for just a moment. Uh certainly we know that that's something that's challenging on our campuses and and I think uh addition of the dog has been a great uh help and I know that we're outfitting some of our schools the detectors and the bathrooms and things of the sort. I think my question is largely uh when a student is caught vaping does the response vary whether they were caught by law enforcement or by school administration? Yes. And so because because under under if they're caught by law enforcement, right, that's a violation of Florida statute and they can be issued
072a citation for that. And I think when we see our SRD report every day, we see a couple of those, but I know the couple we're seeing is a very small segment of the actual incidents that are occurring on campus. And so my wondering about if they're identified by administrator versus law enforcement, how many of those people are just confiscating and sending kids back to class because it's a lot. you know, maybe they'd spend their whole day just addressing this one, you know, flow of of misbehavior or should they be handing them over to law enforcement saying, "Hey, you made a a violation of Florida statute. Go collect your citation or something." Yeah. And I think that's um part of a larger discussion with our law enforcement partners because there is inconsistency with that as
073far as the civil citations, the law enforcement citations to go along with it. And I do see it in the in the shift report and I know that it's a larger problem than what we see in the shift report. I know that some agencies are um that that's a focus for some agencies um that we see just from um the shift report. Um and I don't know that there is necessarily need for discretion with it like any other disciplinary offense like you say it it may depend on what is happening the flow of the campus that day. if an administrator or a law enforcement officer would consider that vaping incident that this student is having minor compared with other things they're dealing with. So, let me just take it, don't do it again, and we
074move on about our day. Um, or if it needs to be something that is of greater focus. And you're right, we've put a lot of uh resources into curbing the problem uh with our vape detection K9, which is uh now leading to um a great deterrent, you know, because the students know. Um I did find out this morning that the second K9 um will be here this week. Um so we'll get to meet the second K9. Um and we are starting to use vape protection, like you said, as a as a pilot just to see. Um, but I think we're currently in the data gathering just to see, you know, and we know that it's a it's an epidemic. It's going on. But to what extent do we address it? Is it consistent across the
075district? No. Is it is it consistent with administration? No. Law enforcement? No. Um, but I think we're just now getting a pulse on the the gravity of it. And we have to you know not not necessarily rate what is important to deal with and not important to deal with because we know this is an issue but in the the greater you know atmosphere of what's happening on that campus in a given day you know where does this really rank however in the Cessor reporting we have to notify Cesar of any incident like that. So, is it tobacco? Is it THC? Is it just a flour flavor vape? We don't know that that's when the law enforcement come in, but we should be documenting that the this situ incidents happen on campus. And I don't know,
076but I I foresee Cesar really addressing this differently because right now it's a it's a tobacco code. But if that vape, like Carlos said, if if that device doesn't have nicotine in it and it's not a tobacco product, can you really code it as that? Um, so and is vaping something that is coded separately? So vaping is the issue as opposed to tobacco or drugs? Um, because if a device is confiscated, then we have to determine if if it is drug possession or if it's tobacco. Um, and where all of that is coded. And it it's a lot of work that goes into that. Um, yeah, I I think I' I'd really like to encourage some conversation between school administrators and and law enforcement and get on the same page that um, you know, because
077I I think that largely the the response at least at the high school in my district has been let's just lock the bathrooms and and that's problematic for the kids who are not vaping or you know that it it seems nearly impossible to find a bathroom that is not occupied by somebody who isn't. And I can't tell you how many times my own kid has been searched. Um and then he's in there and he says, "And they just send everybody else back to class who had who had the violation." He's like, "I'd like to see some justice." Like, "You're not going to solve the problem if you don't have any consequences for these kids." Right? And I think a large part of it probably speaks to what else is going on on the campus and
078how challenging it might be when you got 2,600 kids and and and so I mean, it could essentially be a full-time job for law enforcement and and certainly they don't want that to be their full-time job either. they got a lot of other responsibilities to do and that's where I I just want to really encourage that conversation what that looks like because now as the vape detectors are going in the bathrooms what is going to be our protocol when we when we start catching people because we're going to probably catch a lot more right when we get that notification and is it just a confiscating back to class or is there going to be some documentation of here's your citation and you know repeated issues of this is it yeah yeah we'll facilitate conversations with
079law enforcement and administration about that and hopefully come up with some district-wide consistency. Yeah. Thank you. Sure. I had a question just in reviewing at um the code of conduct as a parent. I don't understand like there's it's everywhere through the document. It's like I'm on page 49. I don't know if you have the full document in front of you, but like um just as one example, and like I said, it's all throughout, but where it says disrespect, the the the definition of disrespect, it says whatever whatever whatever I66, what is that? What is I66? I think that's the code in the Now I don't have it in front of me right now, but I think that's the code in the computer like you that's our that's our that's our code our focus formally skyward
080code. So it's a it's a if I'm a principal like battery without injury for a student it says I 95. So that's the code I put on my discipline referral. Yes. Okay. So is it in there for our people? It's not in there for parents sake. Right. Correct. that that just references what the code is. We and we know some of them like off hand we know 13 is inappropriate. Um yeah on page 47 there's a box at the top that says the I references after level one, level two, level three, level four and zero tolerance and fractions refer to the incident type number located on the student referral. That's a cessor thing, right? Like I'm like what is that? It's a cheat sheet. Yeah, it's a discipline code for listen all those I numbers
081and what they mean. That was that would be an it that question but we yeah I mean we can we can cheat sheet that. So is it okay? I don't care. I was just like I said doing my own research recently and had no idea what that meant and some of them have like policies related to them and some of them don't. So where there's no policy, that's our own code of conduct local versus having a policy attached to it as well. Is that correct? Correct. Okay. Interesting. Thank you. Any other questions? Uh thank you Mr. Shellis, Mr. Mavery, also Dr. Landry, and Mrs. Celis for your help on that one. Uh before we move on, Mr. Weeks is here and is able to address the focus question if you guys are interested. I assume
082you are. Mr. Weeks, come on up. you can't do it. So, all kidding aside, I was texting focus. It'll be a customization. They would definitely make that for us. We've got some extra enhancement hours left over from the project, so we can put that in. But currently in the version they're in, it's just that upload field, but we went ahead, we expect that out next Thursday when we talk to them. So, it won't be a problem to put it in if it's a recommendation you'd like to see. It just doesn't currently exist in the system. I'd love to see it. Is there an additional cost? Well, it's left over from the original conversion. So, we have these hours that we got to use for something. So, don't spend them all in one place. You can
083spend them here. What is that going to be that a parent can just put in the reason? Yeah. Probably what I without really specking it out and looking on the back end. It probably would be like a parent could say, I excuse this student like sickness, illness or something like that with a quick couple clicks instead of the upload. I do kind of feel like the upload is a little bit burdenome. A lot of people are accessing it from their phones and phones just don't do that all that well. So like I think it's a fair thing if we have an audit trail so we can guarantee it's the parent clicking that button. It would be pretty secure. So all right. Sounds good. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Wicks. Awesome. All right. I'll start using it.
084Moving on. Uh 3.02 student progression plan for 202526. Uh Mrs. Francis Cis, come on up. My monitor isn't working. Is there monitor's not working? Oh, yours isn't either. No, never mind. Let's just get through this. Well, we got it printed. Yeah, it's printed. It doesn't It's hard to see up there. We have We have it printed though. Okay, perfect. Unless you presentation, we're good. All right. Well, good morning. Cell is number two up for the student progression plan. Mr. Felter is joining me um because we may get into some different questions that I may need his assistance with this morning. So, I appreciate his support. Um we thought the code of conduct was going to be quick and easy. And so, I think the student progression plan is supposed to be as well, but let's
085see how we do. So, as you know, this is dictated by statute. The reason that we have a student progression plan, statute dictates most of what is included in the student progression plan as well. So annually we update it based on legislation um clarifications, language additions and deletions. Our student progression plan committee um as they said in the previous presentation is a collaboration amongst all departments um some school principles as well as our union representatives. So this is a collaboration amongst everybody. So everyone gives a little input and then I just hold it and then hopefully I'm able to answer the majority of the questions. Um throughout the document there are some non-s substitive edits. Every year we find punctuation or something that was underlined or something that we we corrected. Um links to the
086handbooks and the handbooks are updated annually that goes back to our um web page. This year we had a lot of those with the web page kind of changing over. Um we've changed language clarified language and then um actually we did not update the tables for the statewide assessments concordance because those have not changed yet. There is talk that some of those concordance will change, specifically the CLT um for graduation concordant. There's talk that that will change, but that will be decided this year once the baseline has been determined. And then the appendices will reflect any changes within the document as well. So now we'll flip to the document. Okay. Yeah, see that's terrible. I can't read that. um the first place on page eight um thinking about the hope scholarship. So this is statutory
087language that now matches. So it went in more specifically to um instead of just simple battery robbery, it it spelled out sexual offenses, sexual battery, and then that's the ability for the student to be able to change to an eligible private school with the HOPE scholarship. So that's just some language clarification statute with the hope scholarship requirements that we made sure that we corrected in the student progression plan. And that could that could just simply be you were the victim of battery one time. You reported that school principal and now you can go collect your voucher. Mhm. Is that the way I Yep. You don't even have to you get a voucher without that. You don't have to have anything. I mean like like so I mean as we're talking about the bud budget implications
088I mean this just gets into how critical it is that we create an environment for our students where you know they're not going to become regular victims of any of these things but I mean when you have that many kids they're going to happen right at some point but man it's a high expectation for us correct um so moving to the next one and page nine and 10 this is really just some language cleanup we had language in here still talking about ESSA and then under authorized under cleanup. So, we've deleted those pieces out on page 16 um talking about this piece stricken out that says the school principal must receive the letter to decline participation in health screenings within 10 days following the school's the students school entry date. There is no limitation on
089when a when a parent can submit that they do not want to be they want to decline that service. So, um that 10day language is old and it was stricken through because there is no limitation on that due to the current um parent bill of rights language. I don't I'm just laughing because I I agree with you wholeheartedly, Mr. Dot, about like the expectations for the school district. This is completely not related to this, so I promise it'll be a brief, but but I do think it needs to be brought to the attention of either you or it might be you, Dr. Landry. I don't know. I know we don't monitor the health department, like that's not a thing that takes place, but they do come into our schools and offer health screenings. I received
090a notification, I would say two or three months ago. It's become a joke in our family, just so you know, but I received a notification of Jayce's BMI screenings over the course of several years and that he is obese. And it included a childhood pamphlet on obesity. Jace weighs about 100 pounds soaking and wet in sixth grade. Like I I wish he was a little bigger if we're being honest. Like I hope that he gets my husband's height and not mine, right? So anyway, it was just interesting and if we were reporting erroneously, my point in this conversation is my husband was like, "You need to call somebody." I'm like, "Oh, who do you want me to tell?" The superintendent because she does not oversee the health department. Like, let's not be ridiculous. However, we
091do have a relationship and I don't like it when erroneous information comes from what appears to be the school district. So, I don't know who I'm putting that out there so everybody is aware. Explain what happened again. I got a letter in the mail to the parents of Jace Luke. And when I opened it up, it had a letter that his body mass index had been recorded in like I'm just putting this out there. I didn't pay close attention. First grade, maybe fourth grade, and then again in sixth grade. And that he is o he's o it didn't say overweight. It said he is obese. So is the health department screening all of our kids. They they do screen our kids throughout different grade levels. And I can tell you that has been a problem
092for a number of years. They put a packet on what is childhood obesity. I'm like, "Oh, a lot of parents came in." So, they come in to our schools all week. Yes. Yes. Dr. Landry, come on in. They Sorry, the I know you said you thought this might be quite it is. Parents can opt out. You can opt out of it, but it does provide a service like they do vision. We have a vision screening body. It provides a service, but if it's inaccurate information, it's completely inaccurate information. Completely inaccurate. Right. If you wouldn't mind just on your particular case, could you send that to me in an email? Sure, please. And a copy of the letter if you have it would really help if you don't. That's asking way too much like a button
093in focus. It'll go I might have the pamphlet is a joke in our family now. So, um it a couple of things. They do provide a service and we do have a contract with them. So, we actually pay them for that service. Um the Department of Health has had new leadership in the last couple of years. Actually, the last year they have a lot of turnover. Um, and we are working with them to change the language of the letter and um, not to include that pamphlet. Um, maybe there's a more modern pamphlet or maybe there's a different way to I I don't know, but we agree one wholeheartedly. Um, now if it's an error, that's kind of a different Yeah. issue. Um, but the whole language of that letter, we really are working hard to
094try and get them to change that because um, yeah, it's not a nice letter. I've seen it. But tell me what that looks like. So, is this kindergarten to third grade or is it Oh, that's it's certain screenings in certain grades and it's in some of our documents. I don't know if it's in here or in um code of conduct, but we notify parents every year. Um these are statutoily required. So, for example, K1 and three is vision. Yeah, that's a good one, right? Yeah. Um we do BMI, uh we do scoliosis in grade six. Uh BMI is I don't know one and one and three and six maybe. I'm sorry. It it's it's listed out but these are required by statute. Um so it's a service we offer parents because they'd have to pay
095for it if they got it on the outside. And Mrs. Luke in your case. Yeah. So they had empirical. So he'd been tested for his weight over Yes. three years. Yeah. And it was not over three years consecutive. It was like she mentioned like first grade, third grade, fifth grade. But Jayce has never been obese ever. That just seems like a weird one to me that you would even be tested. It's statutoily required, right? Yeah. But it's but the inaccuracy of it was really just interesting. That's bothersome. Very bothersome. What? Like Jay will be like, "Can we go get ice cream?" We're like, "No, you're obese." That's right. Don't think his older sisters haven't had a heyday with that one. Okay. Okay. And what else then? So, BMI, vision, good hearing. Hearing good. Scoliosis. Scoliosis.
096Seems a little technical, but good, I guess. Okay. It's a very simple screen. That's it. Yes, sir. It's been around forever. And they come in during the school day. Yes, we schedule that with all the schools at the beginning of the year, all the elementary and middle schools. Interesting. Okay, good. Any other questions for Dr. Landry on BMI? Just one more second. What happens to that letter? So, the letter goes to the parents, right? Does the district get a letter also? No. No, we don't get a report. Um, they give us percentages. Percentages um are what are reported to the state and that's what they give us. We don't see the individual letters. I mean, we it only came to our attention that this letter is horrible when parents were bringing it to us. Um,
097okay. Okay. So now vision and hearing. Excuse me. No, you're good. Vision and hearing that goes in focus. Um because if they don't pass then we have to follow up. We follow up. Mhm. And do both in partnership. We follow up. Good. So what do we do when they're on beats? That was kind of what I was getting at. So now that I'm intrigued, what are we doing with this data that we're collecting per statute? I'm with you. Like does the state then step in and say we're going to change lunch programs or something else to make sure Jayce isly obese or they are supposed to be monitoring um health of our of our um district. Well, but I do think like if I you think about school lunchation and and the lack of like
098I know that that's been a big topic. If they're using erroneous data to make decisions about what we're serving kids for lunch, that's a problem too. Not that that's not your problem, but like that could be contributing to this whole we're taking away sodium, we're taking away salt or because we have all those obese children, but they're not. But I mean BMI is already a wacky thing to begin with. I mean 80% of people are probably clinically obese from BMI. Sure. Sure. Um probably low end, but probably it is interesting. It is. It was interesting. So anyway, thank you. Sorry. Thank you, Dr. Landry. I love that she keeps going to a seat in the back of the room. She thinks it's the last time every time. Back to the student progression plan. Mrs. Okay,
099I don't even know where it was. Let me see. Okay, 16. We finished page 16. Okay, so page 23 and 24. So the Lexia core 5 is a progress monitoring um test exam program. That was Evan. We removed this whole chunk because every single one of these is already in the testing chart, the information about them, when they are given, um, and how they're used. So, this is was the deemed redundant. We probably should have taken this out years ago. This year, like you said, every year we find something that we our surprise is still in there. This should have been taken out years ago. It is um we considered it redundant. This information is covered in the previous pages 21 through 24 when you look at those assessment charts. Um the next section is
100our elementary school section. So on page 32, we simplified the language. Um English language arts, the standards include everything that's written in parenthesis and that doesn't need to be re-updated and looked at every semester. The same with social studies. Those pieces are included within those standards. Um, so we just took that out to simplify that language to not have to update that all the all of the time. Page 32 also talked about the midyear LSAs will not be used for grading. Right? We had a couple things we've fin um refined that language throughout the years. We took out any reference to midyear or quarter. It just the LSAs because we do kind of change those LSAs LSA sometimes about when they're given and like how we what's required, what's not required. So we simplified that
101to say the LSAs. So we're not looking at the quarter or the midyear and making that clarification every time. Um and then the next part in the grading and this is the the number five gets a bit adjusted every single year. Um a clarification that was was requested about redoss. So it seems as if some students would not take something on the first attempt and then instead of makeup assume a redo kind of situation. So we to me a redo assumed an initial attempt. Um apparently that wasn't always the case in some places. So this is just a clarification that you have to have an initial attempt in order to have a redo. again assumed but now it's clarified so that we don't have to clarify that when people try to get around some of
102those rules. Mr. Dodd, well I have a question on the go back here on on the language just above it but if we wanted to talk about redoss for a moment I didn't want to deprive somebody of the opportunity to to bring that up but um you can go the floor is yours. Okay, so going back to the this this comment here about the LSAs along with other computer-based supplemental programs are used for progress monitoring and so about not being graded. So does this include LL and Alex and all those things? So none of those things should be grades. That is that and that's why we um it used to be listed out different programs and then we we generalized it to include all so all of those supplemental programs should not be graded. How
103do teachers know that? Because that is not common practice. Yeah, we we understand Alex is more than likely have so many topics they do get grades for those. We've met school by school when there are issues arise that we go back and have conversations with the schools. Um I think it this is more I I think in this language it is for progress monitoring like if it's the LSA was a specific time and space like I gave this assessment that assessment should not be graded. Um, so I think it is loose interpretation on could I grade this assignment? I have this five question quiz that I used. Can I put it in as a grade? I think we we could do more work around that um and really see how schools are using those. What's
104your question within that? Well, my question was I guess I'm just trying to confirm what I'm reading is is what I'm reading because I I do know that commonplace Alex has replaced the textbook in many places. Il has replaced the textbook in many places and um and I mean like you look at I mean you can go into focus now and look at some of my kids and you'll see like their grades are listed right the grades are literally like Ilx and there's there's hardly anything else and so um if if we don't if we haven't identified that as as um sound educational practice and I and I see it through my my narrow lens of you know just the small number of children in my house. It it's happening it's happening in other places
105too, right? So like and probably a lot of other places and and so that's where I'm wondering, you know, how we how we get that word out in such a way that makes makes instruction more meaningful. Yeah. And I think it might be do we want to make sure this wording is correct? So maybe I would like to hear from you to say do we agree that it should not be taken from for a grade? Because there are arguments on the other side when it comes to LSA. teachers want that to be taken for a grade because otherwise they don't try or they're not putting in the effort. So, we've really taken both sides of this argument. Ultimately, I mean, it does come down to pacing. Ultimately, I mean, it does come down to pacing,
106right? I was going to say the same thing. Comes down to individual pacing of what I do. Right. I was going to say the same thing. Comes down to individual pacing of what I do as a teacher. There is Do we have the blueprints still? Yes. That's where scope and sequence are blueprints. Yes. Mhm. And is this not tied to that sequence? It is. Yes. Um cuz what we don't want to say is it says I have to be on um cuz what we don't want to say is it says I have to be on this page this skill this day and students um teaching or something that's occurred that would throw us off pace. And this is computer-based so you would know based on the LSA would be not necessarily but like if it's
107Alex or EXL that's that's that's totally separate. that's more it should be a resource. It should be supplemental. Um but we understand hearing from Mr. Dodd and even Dr. Luke that that is not always the case. They see it with their children coming home. I think our team sees the same thing that those are gra that those are grades. Um I think I'm looking for some of those practice aids. Um I think I'm looking for some of those practices are prices are price strong curriculum academic that they are they follow the standard. So, is that something that we should incorporate or not? Um, I'm open for your opinions. I Mr. Matias, yours is a different question. Why aren't So, what's the fix for it? Just striking out Vidyear. Well, I wonder on those LSAs, like
108if I didn't get to a particular subject, do I get the results of the test pack where it is chunked and I can say, you know, I'm taking a grade for these parts, but I'm not going to include the grade. Are they able to do that? I would Well, I would. We are. That's something LSAs has been a huge topic from leth now an assessment that we feel best in if we do that by quarter. So I think we're moving toward that direction. We're just trying to work with old language that we have even though I think we're trying to be proactive on our end fixing some of the LSA concerns. Yeah. Because if I go to student mind, I understand what you're saying about if I don't grade it, the students don't take it
109seriously. My college students are the same way. They want to know what's graded. Like if it's not graded, it's almost like it's not important. Yes, ma'am. Yeah. So, it's trying to motivate them to do well on the assessment so I can have a better understanding of what they understand. I think I think part of why we decide to to to make this ungraded because there was a time when it was is that I don't know that the percentage correct crosswalked over to a reasonable thing like like if you got 60s something% correct you might be considered proficient. That's a that's a three maybe. But suddenly we're giving you a D for being proficient, right? you know, and or you get an 85, you might have come away with a five on the on the EOC,
110but we're saying that's a B, you know, versus because we didn't want Alex or great% 100% and and I can tell you, you know, like it's it's not just one subject or one teacher like it happens. It happens. It happens. Um, but if a parent read this, then it shouldn't be but it doesn't it doesn't work because even I go in to meet with the teacher and I know the policy. I show the policy and they say that's just the way I'm doing it. You know, like like that happens. They say that to you. Yeah. Yeah. What do you say? Then I say, "Well, let's let's get the principal involved in this one." And then what's he say? Same thing. They back up the teacher. So like it it doesn't it doesn't help. It doesn't
111help. Sometimes you know there have been like like an insurmountable amount of assignments. Yeah, we've had I've had numerous conversations with leaders about even math department leads like Alex is not our core, right? So, how do we move away from using Alex as our core? Um, and I think I um um and um and that is why they're that is why they're taking it for a grade. That's that's what I was going to say is I feel like that it's that convers if the if the teacher can justify that and that they're teaching like I'm laughing convers if the if the teacher can justify that and that they're teaching like I'm laughing because I obviously have my computer up here and we have teachers that aren't from schools of teacher education that we're having issues
112getting exceptional math teachers if we have curriculum that's helping and I can you know being a math person I can be with Jace at home and we can do or I don't I'm schools of teacher education and that we're having issues getting exceptional math teachers if we have curriculum that's helping and I can, you know, being a math person, I can be with Jayce at home and we can do or Eddie's in all the areas. I I think that this is really just one small glimpse of a much bigger conversation about computer and and supplemental resources. You know, that I mean just a prior page we talked about we added Alexia in there. We have got we've got a mirror. We've got we've got the star testing. We've got um we've got I Ready. We
113we've got all these things, all these components. And and I've I've been in classrooms this year where you walk in and every kid is just sitting on a computer. And and I've been in a classroom where every kid's sitting on a computer and the teacher's over there on the on the side on Good Guardian just monitoring everybody's to see what they're doing to make sure that they don't they're not on the wrong tab. And I'm thinking, well, that's the absence of of solidly good instruction there. I know that. Yeah. That was part of that personalized learning though that we put in place, right? Yeah. And so teacher was missing. What do you have to think about? Well, first of all, I think if you have a rule that says it's not supposed to be grade
114taken, you everybody should be following the rule. Um but um I think it does have to be a bigger conversation. I think a decision needs to be made. Is the value of the grade level material? Are we saying that that's something that we trust and we're okay with? Um, I certainly like the part about if I teach my class something and majority of them don't get it, I need to go back and retach. But this is a problem. If we got people willy-nilly just violating the rules at a grade level, but not penalize another kid in that class that's further along, there should be a way to have that part of the standards and and what we're doing from a progression plan side of things. Yeah. I I think part of the challenge I've seen
115is that some of these tools that were designed to be used as intervention became practices that go with this. It's a very complicated topic. Well, yeah. I think Yes. I And I wanted your I wanted to hear from you. So, it's I'm glad we have this opportunity, right? Yes. I And I wanted your I wanted to hear from you. So, it's I'm glad we have this opportunity, right? And I just And I just And before I move, Mr. Mias this become more our tier one or our core which we we have text we have high uh curriculum materials that we already pay for and we we should be using so we understand that and just so we know it's not just happening in lake count places right and we're required by the state to progress
116monitoring and typically that's through an online you have to purchase from this list so and I want to say like you just mentioned one of the best improvements that I've seen I know that whenever Jayce is assigned topics they're spec I know that whenever Jayce is assigned topics. They're specific. Like he doesn't get to go in and just move. He's taking specific topics that are aligned with what they're doing in class, which has been really helpful because then I can actually see what's taking place. And that to take a grade on that makes sense to me because this is the lesson I taught. This is this is actually old school worksheet that supports what online an old school worksheet for that individual student, which I think is in a perfect world what we all want.
117Right. I know. Correct. Yeah. It's being tabled y'all. We gladly will. Okay. All right. To proceed, we are still in this section. So, in elementary as you all are talking about reduce and I know there are some best practices associated with this and I think I think you've you've done a lot over the time over the years to add lang you know attention. Right. Right. give the students some ownership in that and just go in and blindly hope that they're going to, you know, get a better score. Um, I guess I guess I'm wondering um about best practices on that sort of thing. I know time is is is really precious for teachers, right? Um, it's the one resource, one resource we'd all love to have more of, but in the absence of that, I
118know that there are schools that are requiring the reds occur before or after school. Does the district have sort of guidance on that sort of thing? Is that okay? Um I'm just wondering where you don't get to read take the bus. I feel like that's an uned playing field there. Yeah, I'd probably sit at this table and say that's not the recommendation. We have intervention built in during the day everywhere. That that is the goal is to take place. We're not trying to create an atmosphere where the have um the next language addition on page 36 and I think on your form. So this is directly matching um the state board rule when it comes to back to um parent bill of rights and that initial notification after the student progress monitoring and what that
119is what is required for the schools once we see that progress monitor we find anyone to be um the word is some substantially deficient something deficient substant deficient that we do have requirements on how we are to notify parents and then involve parents um and that they may request more frequent notification than is actually required by state board rule, which is how that's written. The same thing um on page 39 with the portfolio that language has been updated to match the latest state board rule as well when it comes to those portfolios for grades. What is it the early literacy versus the star vice vers? I don't know. I get them I get them mixed up, right? And so then scored really low because now taking the next high level test got the letter got
120the letter from the state. your child is is uh reading deficient. Got the paperwork to go sign her up for a HOPE scholarship because she's deficient. Uh got the application to sign up for resource and and through the course of that I think it took about 7 months to finally get an answer that no, she's not reading deficient that because of this difference in tests. We we've notified the state she's deficient. That's what they they'll forever think. And so I'm wondering how kids fall into that same bucket where because of their acceleration, took the higher level test, came back with a one or a two on it or whatever whatever it was and was declared deficient. So what I'm wondering what is the oversight of that process and how do we how do we control
121that? Like we can't just be haphazardly sending letters to parents saying your kid doesn't know how to read because that's essentially what happened. Yeah. And I think we we that was an issue on our end that we did have corrected since then and I know then was how did we follow back up with those families and I don't think we've successfully well we've corrected at least initial issue on the front end so our oversight will be from us from our do our systems and our checkpoints balance so that doesn't happen yeah so so is there checkpoint a checkpoint that we're putting in at the district level or is this going to the school level or how how does how are we fixing that reporting be at the district level I mean from a school level
122level. Yes. The letter came from the state. Letter came because the district report to the state. Mhm. So, so I got a letter from the school and the state. I got two letters, right? Two letters. I could now be sitting in private school, you know, using the hope scholarship, you know, and she shouldn't have been eligible that. And so, once again, if we're talking about the implications of those scholarships on our budget, we need to make sure we're not half-hazardly sending kids away that don't even qualify. Agreed. Yes. Um, we're in the middle school section now. Again, back to language updates so that it matches what is written everywhere else. So before basic skills in reading and writing, it's standards and then specifically standards in ELA, math, science, and social studies. So the basic reading,
123writing is included within our ELA um standards. And then on 44, this cleanup matches now what again back to standards and benchmarks doing page 45 is back to that repeat of those health standards being FDOE and state board appro and school board approved. And then the same grading clarifications um which again we will bring you a different proposal on that one. We have the repeated language of that curriculum being FOE and schoolboard approved. Page 68 is again the note that we're going to updated language is around the GED. I don't know price. I don't remember the price of it. I think this was for a student who does this because now they can't earn a standard diploma. Right. Any traction on that? I have not heard of any traction on that and they count as
124a grad for us. Counts against us. bizar to me that a minor can decide I don't want to go to school anymore, you know, and Right. Yeah. Yeah. So, the ask was that if they do take a diploma is how it's written. Um, but we haven't we didn't see any traction on that this legislative session. So, the student is 16 can withdraw themselves. There's no parental consent to this. 16, they have to have parent parent. Yes. But they have to formally withdraw and terminate enrollment at our schools before they're allowed to enroll in link tech. They used to have to have a waiver signed by the superintendent in order to do that. That waiver is no longer required. We just have to make sure that they're formally unenrolled from our schools first, which will be
125communication between Lake Tech and us to make sure as anyone under the age of 18, what's the reason for the change? Yeah. If if the student, let's let's say, I just don't want to go to school anymore. I'm going to take a GED. Mhm. And then they unenroll from here, go take the GED, and they fail the GED. Mhm. Then they had can they reenroll coming back to us? Um we've had students reions or they enroll in the GED prep can stay at Lake Tech. That's right. To get back on track with us. Yes, sir. Right. Any other questions? I don't remember what it was. Um I on Wednesday evening, Mount Dora and Eustace will be playing in the regional quarterfinal game of softball. And I just wanted to let everybody know we're doing impact
126night for Florida teacher or for Florida teacher for teacher appreciation week. And so if anybody's in the area and wants to recognize teachers in the pregame, we're excited about the opportunity to do that. So what what time and what's the location? It'll be 6:30 at the Panther Den off the golf links. Panther D. That's all I have. Mrs. Cunningham, I don't have anything. Mr. Dud, I always appreciate the opportunity to have conversations that make us think. I, you know, I really value the input of this board and and to be able to dive into some of these things. Oh, I didn't think about it that way or, you know, uh yeah, I didn't I didn't even notice that. It's I think those sorts of conversations are just really helpful and and I know we've got
127a very talented staff and a lot of people out there with um you know a lot smarter than than any of us are in any of those single areas of expertise. So it's just remarkable to see how everybody comes together to to produce a document you know out of so many different brains. Mr. Matias I'm good. Uh did those comments Mr. Dodd um I'm just proud that I can follow a curriculum conversation at this point have somewhat of an idea of what's going on. So, thank you for for your help in getting to that point. Um, Mrs. Cunningham and I had the opportunity to attend, uh, Lake Hills graduation the other day, uh, which is always a fantastic event. So, I want to shout out Robin Myers and her team for what they do to
128make that so impactful, um, and do such a good job working with those students and and getting them, uh, to the place that they can be. Um, not softball, but baseball. Um, I did attend game three of Mount Door at Bishop Moore last week. Uh, Umatillaa versus South Sumpter and then Saturday went to the Lake Minnola game against whoever they played. Uh, Umatillaa was victorious. Uh, so want to give a shout out to Tanner Clark and that team uh for continuing to do an excellent job. I think they play tonight and tomorrow at Umatillaa and then Thursday if need be at Hernando. Um, so I'm going to be there tonight um and cheer on Umatilla to keep going on. That's all I've got. Superintendent. Yes. And if your calendar isn't full with all of those
129events, just a reminder that tomorrow night is the annual retirement dinner at the Nation Center. I believe it starts at 5:30.