001Good evening everyone. I'd like to call to order uh special call board meeting uh for April 25th. And uh this is kind of a a new new thing for us four at least that u we're here to discuss the candidates for district 5 position vacated by Miss Gibbons uh for the time being the interim position. I'd like to welcome Mr. Brad Brown, Mr. Reggie Jackson. Thank you all for your time. Thank you for coming and uh being on time. That's real important for us. and uh been here since. Uh so what we're going to do today is kind of be a forum. Oh, also Miss Stanfield uh there was a discrepancy with her voter registration uh at this time and so u we're she's no longer going to be considered for the district 5 uh
002interim school board member. Um so we just decided to move on from there. So today it's just going to be Mr. Brown and Mr. Jackson. And uh so what we're going to do here, the format's going to be kind of like a forum style where no particular order. We'll probably start with Mr. Brown first since his name is alphabetically first and we'll ask both of you the same questions. Uh have about two minutes to respond. Each of y'all have two minutes and uh then we'll move on to the next question. Uh we hope to keep this about an hour and uh good luck. Thank y'all for being here. Let's see. I'll start out. So Mr. Brown, the question that every person on the board has been asked by the newspaper, why did you apply to
003fill the interim school board seat? Well, I actually was approached by some folks in the community and said, "Hey, there's the position's open. Why don't you apply for. And I tell you what, it was sort of like when I ran for office the first time, I wasn't looking for it. I had folks come to me and encourage to do such. Um, and so after thinking about it, talking with Debbie about it, I was like, you know what, I could serve there. I I I think I have a background uh particularly in finance uh that could be beneficial, helpful to the board. Um, and Oh, the aliens. Yes, you have to fix that first thing. And a willingness to, you know, serve and and serve this community as I have in the past. So, more of
004a servant leadership reason. Thank you, Mr. Jackson. All right. First of all, I thought I was in District 4 because I was approached. Yeah. and um several folks and and uh I said, "Let me go go to GIS and look, oh man, I'm in five." And um I talked with the family and they they was highly encouraged. Prayed about it. Um I I felt that I can I can bring a lot to the board, different perspectives. Um I've been dealing with children most of my career for decades. um every socioeconomic background, every intellectual level, I dealt with them. Um I'm dealing with families now. That's that's the the the the route I chose. I want to deal with family because I want to see that that nuclear uh family uh position to be to be
005exposed to the different resources that we have. I'm talking from a perspective of Brunswick housing and the whole concept of poverty. So, we're dealing with property and we're also dealing with changing the paradigm of what people think of public housing. Um, this is a new approach that Brun Housing is dealing with. Um, being engaged with the the residents and I know that um what happens in the house impacts the the classroom and sometimes they just don't know. Um, we have a lot of overlapping service that provide them those answers and those resources. Um, I had the school system support service to come and speak. I have we have uh engagement opportunities um for um leaders in the community and organization in the community that can support um the families and the youth. So I I
006have a propensity of of ensuring that the kids know their options, know the consequences of poverty and trying to break that cycle. Um, and it's hard because they're going to reach the apex of of peer pressure, bullying from their siblings as well as their parents because you have to separate yourself and and a lot of people can't deal with that. was just having some encouraging words and and aligning them with mentors. Um being able to impact policy um that can encourage that um I felt that I can bring to the table on the different challenges that you all um are currently dealing with and um with the future what the future entails. I think my skills dealing with splash, dealing with construction, planning, uh project managing um and finances will also be uh be uh
007helpful for for the board. So with all that, I felt I can I can bring a difference and I can impact the community that I love so much. All right. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Jackson. And we're going to rotate asking questions. So, Miss Lee, thank you. This sort of piggybacks on the first one we just asked you. What qualities do you bring would you bring to this board? What qualities, Mr. Brown? Or let's start with Mr. Jackson. Oh, Mr. Jackson, I'm sorry. The approach ability um being able when people see you on a board, they feel that they can't approach you. And I think I will bring that different quality to the community because I'm always out there um different events encouraging our children. Uh, I think uh a sensibility to to to logic
008uh what works uh what can works because I know how it feel to drive a bus with kids that are excited about their destination, not excited about the destination. I know how it feels to prepare meals for hundreds of kids at the right temperature. Um being um adhering to the state regulation for proportion sizes. I know how it feels to um to clean a room, a classroom, and making sure that classroom is clean before the kids um are are um participates in that activity or in that room or area. So, I I think I bring that realistic approach um the different nuances that I'm learning with families and children uh in my current career. I think that quality there uh I can I can bring that quality. Thank you. same question. Would you like me
009to repeat it? No, I I think that the qualities I bring is, you know, one knowledge of this community, being, you know, born and raised here, came up through the public education system here. Um, served, you know, this community for eight years, uh, leading it as mayor. uh a banking background, you know, having the financial uh knowledge and understanding uh to be able to look at that, working with Splast uh in the past um and knowing how that operates and how that functions uh well uh being involved uh with youth, you know, I've worked with youth both in my church uh with the WER programs uh with Boy Scouts uh so have been engaged uh with youth. So, I'm not an old man that doesn't know how the kids act. Um, and I think just
010being someone like Reggie, you know, being involved in the community, being known in the community, and being out there in the community, uh, makes a difference. Uh, because I think leadership, uh, in any elected board, uh, needs somebody that is connected, engaged, and relatable. Uh, and I think I am very relatable. Um, in my current career, um, in my banking career, uh, I have a a broad spectrum of customers, um, from folks who are struggling paycheck to paycheck to businesses that are financially well off and doing very well and being able to provide them with a service uh, and products uh, that meets their needs. And it's really about meeting people's needs. How do we accomplish that? How do we provide in this case the education that our community deserves and and ensuring that the
011students are being taught and trained appropriately so they can be successful in life whether it's to go into you know a career type path or going to college um wherever it may be but they're being supportive and encouraging them u because one of the things that I will hope that I could involve with is not encouraging ing everybody to go to college, but let's encourage students to get some careers, some skills, uh, to help meet the needs of our community and our nation right now. Uh, because there's definitely need for that. Thank you. Thank you. I'm I'm official timekeeper. I can't believe I went two minutes. You did. But thank you. Y'all both did a great job. So, I'll ask the next question. Mr. Brown, if you'll be the first to respond. Um we just
012disseminated some information um a day or so ago and a couple of the documents were our code of ethics and the norms and protocols. So the code of ethics is something that we're bound to follow as a group. The norms and protocols is something that our group has compiled to say this is the way we're going to operate as a board. Um so this question relates to those two documents. Do you have any issues or did you see any of the items listed in the code of ethics or norms and protocols that you feel are not attainable? I I did not. Um in fact, when I received it uh and read through it, it reminded me a lot of when I'd served before uh with the city. You know, we need to have discussions. You
013know, we need to express different opinions about items. um we don't all need to be in unison at the time of debate. Uh but what I liked about it and a lot about um how I have operated in the past is that once a vote is taken then we're in unison. Once the body has made a decision, that's the decision. And I can tell y'all in my previous life, there were many votes that I was the sole vote for or against. But once the decision was made, that's the direction we went and that's how we handled it. Um, so it really mimicked how I have operated in the past and and how I still operate things. You know, when a body, a committee, a commission or whatever is making a decision, you may have disagreements
014in the debate, but once the decision is made, that's the decision. Move along. Don't crawl in the corner and fuss and cry about it, you know, but move along and get it done. Yes. Thank you. Mr. Jackson, would you like to answer? I can repeat if you'd like. No. Okay. When I first read it, I smiled. Oh, cuz being an administrator reporting the boards, I've been on boards that were that functioned like that and I've been on boards that didn't function like that. And I really appreciate it documented. And especially when it comes down to knowledge and disagreements, you agree to disagree. Uh I know each um representative of the board represents their particular uh district and some of the things that that your district may want that you may have to to put it
015out there that you may not agree with uh and uh to to satisfy that. But I think it was an excellent presentation on document um on the on the document and also the fact that um there are rules of engagement but you you all just don't know um because some boards don't function like that. Now u when it comes down to a disagreement um I'm a part of several organization and in some um majority votes I totally disagree with but I support it. you wouldn't know you if you walked in and see me operate none of that agreement. Um because that is that's the majority rules. That's that's what it was all agreed upon. I'm not going to pout. I'm going to try to execute it. Uh as best as I can. Um knowing willing
016that I didn't agree and everybody know I just want to make sure it's documented that I didn't agree. So if it fall if it fails, hey, I told you so. But u but I I I really appreciate that. Um because a lot of boards um in governments and and authorities and quasi governments don't have those those rules of engagement and and disagreement and protocols um the ethics and why we're here. We're here to represent everyone, not yourself. And I've seen it on school boards. Um they they were um just advocating for themselves. And that's not why we're here. We're mainly here for the children. Everything we do is for the children. You're exactly right. It's all for the kids. Thank you. All right, Mr. Jackson, uh, what is your opinion of the current state of
017the schools in the district? Well, uh, and I've been in all of them. Well, for for instance, I can I can talk about Glenn Academy because I frequent Glen Academy a lot. Um, man, I learned that Glenn Academy is number 14 out of 450 something schools in the state. That includes uh the performing arts STEM schools where they can select kids. And we're ranked 14 with a with a public uh a public exception rate uh a basic um qualification to go to a school and we ranked 14. That speaks volumes. Um the AP uh recognition that we receive for both schools in Glenn Academy speaks volumes. Um we have some challenges in other schools, elementary schools and that is is is coming and we probably can can handle that with um the new the district
018that is a that's a sensitive subject. Um, we have some serious decisions to make on the uh the uh the new district alignment. Um, the elementary schools are doing pretty much the best that they can for what they're working with. And again, I've seen where they coming from. Um, and had an opportunity and talk to to those children, those families. So, it's it's a struggle. Uh, it's a struggle for the teachers. I know exactly. I worked in some of those schools um in that in in the district that are that are challenging right now, but it has shown some progress um in the elementary level and uh in the middle schools. So um overall um I'm excited on the high schools. Um some of our middle schools are doing pretty well. Glenn Glenn Middle is
019doing pretty well. Um but some other challenges that can be addressed through um administration alignment, teacher alignment as well as the uh district um how we approach the the uh district uh the new district um Oh, that's yeah go ahead and finish the sentence. The new the new zoning the zoning uh con zoning plan. That's what it is. Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Brown. And I would say my opinion of the school and the school system um is positive. I mean I can say I don't hear anything in the community from a negative perspective. Um and I'm glad to see we are not experiencing here what some other communities are experiencing and the outrage that parents are having towards what the school boards are doing or what's being taught and that sort. Um but I see
020you know at least coming out of the current administration a uniformity. Um everybody is working to one goal and goal is to educate the students to the best of our ability. You know I know there's test score issues and that sort and my perspective is I think we're still dealing with the ramifications of COVID. you know, we're still dealing with that loss that occurred during that time period out of our control, out of your control. Um, and trying to catch those students back up. And that's that's a challenge, you know, and not being a teacher myself, but know working with kids in the past, you know, I have seen a decline in students being inquisitive. Now that whether that relates to, you know, COVID, whether that relates to the screen time that they have, cell
021phones they have, I I don't know. Uh but it's been very interesting. Their inquisitiveness is not there as we used to see. Um you know, how we overcome that don't know. But I think this school body is working hard to ensure that we are teaching the students and and helping the students the best we can and and ensuring that you know they are being as productive as possible. Um but there are challenges in society as a whole that we have to confront and deal with. Um, and and I'm willing to be there to help assist and guide. Thank you. Thank you. Uh, before I ask my next question, I apologize. Pardon our progress. We are still under construction. We're trying to deal with that as best we can so we can properly hear and convey
022what each of y'all have to say. Um, let's see. Yeah, Mr. spring. If you could change anything about public education in Glen County, what would it be? Me personally, I would like to see um more students involved in the music programs. being a musician myself, being trained in the public school uh to play and I still play. Um I would like to see us do more of that um and and encourage more of that. And the reason being I think students who are involved in music, musical performances enhances their life into adulthood. um playing music, singing music helps with mathematical skills. Um it improves that and that's of something very important in life itself. Uh it helps quiet people like I was to be more outgoing. um it helps them to learn how to be
023in front of an audience um and not be afraid to be there and be seen from a presentation standpoint. U and I think the life skills that that helps to generate uh is tremendous. I know Reggie is a sports guy and band always supported sports, but I'm sure sports always supports band, but I would like to see more of that. Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Jackson. I'm tell you now, I was first ten at Grizzly under Kenneth Band cross and I was and I checked. No, I didn't want to be in a band in high school and um and Mr. Cordell seen my resume and he tried to talk me into it and uh he did talk me into it, but I said I want to be in a jazz band. said, "No only way to
024be in the jazz band, you have to be in the marching band." So, I did the marching band for about two days when the sex leader told me to run a lap after in between two days. And I and I told him some, you know, some things that he didn't want to hear. And uh that was the end of that. But yeah, I do have I I I do love music. I I do love music. Um but to answer your question um I if I can change anything it would be to give um our students who who are not um athletically inclined but has different skill sets to have a performing arts school and to have a STEM school that we're big enough to support that. Um I think strategically we can can can do
025that. Uh we have a performance arts centers being being built as we speak with our taxpayers money with our esquash money and that can be uh a a key place for our kids to perform and show that skills because we don't know the next uh writer u movie writer sitcom writer uh actor um musician that can play professionally. We have a lot of professional um locally professional um musicians here. people don't consider them professional, but once you get paid, you're a professional. That's right. And you're not going to not pay a person to play for you if you don't know if they they know how to play. But having that STEM STEM is that new uh it's it's it's a it's a global challenge that we all have and it's time for us to participate
026to to participate in it as a county. Um we look at the other counties that have these STEM um opportunities strict strictly for the engineering program. We have some bright kids. We have kid, one of the kids that I know uh just graduated with his doctorate from uh Notre Dame with his I think he has a physicist degree. Um and he's teaching in Notre Dame right now. Came right from Glenn Academy. Played you know played tennis and everything. So it's we have a lot of talent. So as a organization that can provide these platforms and these institutions um we we should it should be a part of the strategic plan to look at doing uh building some type of school to that perspective. Thank you. All right. Um I have the next question. Mr. Jackson,
027is there any specific issue that motivates you to want to serve on the school board? Education. And that's the, you know, how I was brought up, uh, that was the key to success. Um, and what I tell our youth, that's the key to getting out of poverty. Uh, any type of education. Um, even going to the military is a formal education because they're going to train you to for a specific ski v location vocation technical school. My father was a um uh a union pipe fitter steam fitter local 177 and he was trained here was recruited out of um Hercules and was trained. He was the first African-American uh pipe fitter in Glen County. Um and he um told me now you don't want this type of job. But he always pushed college. Uh my
028family always pushed college and it was like college college. Um um come back home and and lead your community. And that's how I was born and and bred to do that. All your experiences, bring them back cuz everybody else leaves and and help other communities and come back and talk about how bad the community where they come from. and some of them want to come back but they can't because of debt and and uh the economy. Um but being able to impact one of the key uh qualities of being successful um education and they have a impact on that on that policy. Thank you Mr. Brown. And right now, one of the key things that that drives me is the political changes that we're seeing and with the, you know, Department of Education at the
029federal level and whether it's going to be there or not be there, but what challenges and opportunities that provides or opens up here on the local level. um really interested in being involved and engaged and and I'm one that's I've always think that we need to handle things locally uh first, you know, regionally second and then state third as far as control. And I think we're about to see in our our nation where more local control happens and being involved in that local control. Uh the other piece of it is being, you know, helping out to ensure that children are learning how to read, how to write, how to do math. Um it's it's almost humorous, but the folks that I interview, younger folks that I interview that we hire, uh or folks that we
030have as customers, um how many of them cannot sign their name? And it's sad that that our society has gotten to that point where young people no longer know how to sign their name. Um, and want to see if, you know, what can be done about that? How do we change that? How do we get that back in to where students are learning how to actually sign their name um, and do it properly? Because if you saw some of the signatures I see, they're not just messy signatures. It's all it's it's sort of pitiful. uh what students or younger folks are able to put on payment. And so really back to the basics, I I I like to see us really be focused on the basics because if you build that strong foundation, then those
031students can be successful in life overall. Thank you. Okay, Mr. Brown. Um, what is your position on the use of cell phones in classrooms in our schools? I'd like to see them not be in classrooms. Um, when I was involved with Boy Scouts and on Boy Scout trips, we were very strict on cell phones not being out, not being used. Um, when we would go to summer camp, cell phones would be turned in and held. uh because one, it's a distraction. Uh two, unfortunately, there are things that they can access that they don't need to access. Um not all parents put restrictions on as they probably should uh to prevent inappropriate material from being viewed uh for inappropriate things getting passed along. Um so I would very be very supportive of a no cell phone
032policy. Um, I know I have seen some other school systems that provide a bag or box or something that they get locked up on. The student retains that on them, but then it's locked up and they don't have access to it during the day. Um, it's interesting the argument that you get though from parents that, oh, I need to have access to my kids. Well, yes, I understand that, but they're at school. you know, when a student's at school, what access do you really need because you know where they are? Um, the systems are in place to ensure they're not getting taken out of the school by somebody that should not be taking them out of the school. Um, and you know, if there's an emergency situation, then that's when, you know, school staff, teachers,
033administrators get involved and should make that communication uh to the parent. Um, but I really think that that they don't have a place in the classroom. Thank you, Mr. Jackson. No, I I also agree. I don't think uh cell phone should be in the classroom. It should be a certain decor when you go into uh a classroom uh because your attention needs to be focused on the teacher and I see some classrooms have boxes and bags to put the cell phones in. Um because if the parents need to get in contact with uh that student, they can do what they did in 1983. Call the school and have the secretary related a message. Well, in between classes, that's fine. But in the classroom, no. And definitely in elementary school, now you should let me go
034back because high school should have a little bit more freedom in between classes. Middle school, no. Elementary school, no. Until after or before school. um because there's no need to uh have interaction with with anybody outside the the school um while you're in class trying to learn. So it should be, you know, different levels um of freedom with the phones um based on um your grade level. Thank you. All right, Mr. Jackson, in the strategic plan that you received, one of the goal areas is family and community engagement. How would you encourage collaboration, partnerships between our schools, local businesses, and community organizations? Well, I kind of do I do that now. Um getting the message across to the to the parents and how important it is and also to the the the business community how
035important it is. I know you probably noticed I said we when I say we, it's everyone that's in the county. Every adult that's in the county is a part of the education of our children. So everyone in in the in in the uh business industry uh nonprofit everyone is responsible for um educating our children and we want to send that message out and let them know that you will need to be a part of our uh engagement with the families. Um what part do you have in uh educating our our families? it can be easily articulated because nine times out of 10 that parent is working for that agency or that or that company and that money that comes in there helps support that. So those lights are on so these kids can study. You
036can tie everybody into the uh the public education realm um from any industry uh in our community. So getting that message out and inviting them in and reminding them constantly reminding the families and the business community that they are part of educating our community. Thank you Mr. Brown. And I would say, you know, families being involved with their children is highly important. And whether we, you know, publicize, put out information showing statistics of, you know, success rates of children that aren't successful, why aren't they successful? Is it because family aren't involved? I think we can pretty much discern that. but ensuring that the programs that are out there already uh the engagement of the businesses, the engagement of the chamber um and communicating that and encouraging employees to go and volunteer at schools. Um I
037know in the past I've been a mentor at Glenn Middle School and went and read with the students uh and shared with the students uh tried to encourage students. Um, I've gone into the school system, uh, doing presentations, um, many times from, you know, how to handle finances to promoting uh, local history, whatever it takes. uh but having that uh communicated out you know through the media uh through Facebook through our chamber um but being encouraging and I think we as school me board members should be engaged in those other organizations so that they see our faces and we can then directly relate back to hey here's the importance of why we need you there why we need you involved um and why we need parents involved. Uh because I think parental involvement is the
038key to success. Uh when parents are not involved and not engaged, then with harder to say that you probably can show those are the students that are not successful or the students that have behavioral problems within the school system. It's not necessarily that the child is bad. It's the child hadn't been raised properly or doesn't have parents that are engaged with them properly. All right. Thank you. That uh this is a good one. Mr. Brown, how would you plan to handle public criticism? Handled it for many years. And and you have to understand when you're in an elected position, you can't please all the people all the time. If if you're pleasing everybody at one time, you're not doing something right. Um I I tell this story. When I was in office, I had Republicans
039where I was the first Democrat they voted for, and I had Democrats where I was the first Republican they ever voted for. When I was in office, I was challenged by left-leaning organizations in our community and had a recall attempt that was not successful. I had a right-leaning organization challenge and attempt a recall attempt that was not successful. So, criticism does not bother me. My wife's different. It bothers her, but I let it roll off my back. Um, the best way to describe it, I was told that if you have mud thrown on you, don't try to wipe it off. Let it dry up and it'll just flake off and go away. Um, if it is criticism that's warranted, you need to take that into consideration and go, okay, what did I do wrong? What
040do I need to change? Um, did I misunderstand what I thought uh was the goal here? Um but try to learn from it too. Um but criticism does not bother me. Um I I deal with it on a regular basis. Thank you, Mr. Jack. I'm not I'm not bothered by criticism. I have thick skin. Um but one of the times I probably received the most uh criticism is when I recommended this to shut the city pool down um because of health reasons. And I was pulled in many rooms and one of was a board uh ed member uh board member and he had some choice words for me. Uh the community everywhere I went, church, the store, everybody, why you shut the pool down? Why you shut the pool down? Uh that was that was
041huge. And I hate it every springtime leading to summer because pool issues came up and that pool was closed for like six years before we were able to come up with enough resources to build what you see now of the um the Brunswick Aquatic Center and they were very pleased about it. Um a lot of it simmered down once they seen the report of why the pool was closed and they did had no clue that the uh pool was leaking and didn't have proper uh chemicals in there at any time. Um, but sometime criticism comes from not having the proper knowledge, going with some hearsay. Uh, usually it it it settles down once they hear the facts um and go with the facts. But I don't it doesn't bo bother me, you know, former athlete
042and always used to get criticized for everything. So, it doesn't bother me. Um, mainly because of that because you're always going to get critiqued. Used to getting critiqued. uh came from the old school and you got critique from everybody's school teachers, the store owner, everybody. It's a different time now. Um but my skin is thick. Um and I know you know what the what the true facts are and I base my decision off facts. Thank you. And the last question I get to ask, Mr. If this seat is permanently vacated, do you plan to run? That was the first question I had in my mind because if I wasn't going to participate or engage in this uh process if I wasn't planning to run for this seat and I think after you know once the
043sunset of this term ends I believe I can have compelling evidence um that um I can win over my constituents um if if selected. Thank you Mr. Brown. And that's an unknown. Um, you know, one, if I do serve, what if I found out I don't like doing this, which I doubt. Um, but it really is an unknown at this point in time. Um, because obviously it's it's a unique circumstance of why this position is open. Um, it's not, you know, because somebody has passed. it's because somebody has been removed, but they could come back. What if they come back, you know, and so really need to see where things are at that time? Um, you know, what's the feel, you know, of serving on the board? What's the feel of the community? Um, who
044else is out there that that may step up? Um so at this point in time sitting here today I cannot say yes for sure. I am definitely going to run in the future. Um because the future a lot of things can change. Um a lot of things could come to light that may be a reasoning to go well I don't know let's let's think about this. Or it could be man this is the greatest thing in the world. Let's keep it rolling. Um so to be seen. Thank you. Does anyone else have any other questions, follow-ups? Again, thank you all very much. Uh I think most of the folks in the audience or today are from the school system and so I want to thank y'all for being here. Um and this is kind of
045unprecedented for us for at least I think Mike Holy was the only one currently on the board that has gone through a similar situation. So, uh, I will say this, we all have a tough decision in the head office. I think we have two highly, highly qualified candidates. Um, I think both of y'all would serve the community well, serve district 5 very well. Um, and our plan is uh to take this information, take what we learned here today about each of y'all and, you know, go home and we think about it and then come May, uh, we don't really vote in the work session, but we would vote on in our regular scheduled board meeting, um, which is that first second Tuesday. I I don't probably the third second Tuesday. second Tuesday of of May,
046we would vote to uh approve one of either one of y'all. And uh so if you do have any questions, feel free to contact me. Um I'll tell you what I can and uh we appreciate y'all being here. Thank y'all very much. Y'all did both did a wonderful wonderful job. Mr. Chairman, can I give a make a remark? No, just kidding. I'm talking to I'm talking to just for a second. We'll give you two minutes. So much. Thank you. I I'm very reluctant to speak at board meetings cuz I'm just hired to help. But this board, the six of them, especially the two new ones, did not know this was going to happen. This came to them totally unexpected in January and February of this year. And this is not something that they're trained to
047do as board members or why they ran for office. But what they're trying to do in selecting someone, they have done at the highest level. There have been no discussions behind closed doors. Everything has been above board. You both are great people and you're wonderful. But I'm very proud of my board, too. That's all I have to say. Thank you. Thank Thank you. You still have 30 more seconds. Um, with that said, I will make a motion we adjourn. Second. I make the motion. And you make you made a motion. Sorry. Second. Second. Any discussion? All in favor? And we are adjourned today at I still 143. Congratulations, guys. [Music]