001Welcome everyone. Please rise for the pledge of allegiance. We welcome the meeting. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. Please be seated. All right. So, I do need a motion to approve tonight's agenda. >> So, move. >> Second. >> We have a motion and a second. All in favor say I. >> I. Any opposed? Hearing? None. The motion carries. At this point, do we have any public input? Is there anyone here that would like to pass? Okay. Is Mary Kemp here? Please come on up. >> Thank you. Uh first, congrats to all of you students. That's super exciting. Um so, dear board of trustees, my name is Mary Kemp
002and I am a Garwood parent and I work with local youth in several roles in our community. Because of this, I have the privilege of working with many families across our district in many aspects, and I care deeply about the future for our youth. When my family purchased our home back in 2020, it was very important that we attended the Garwood Elementary. After a long search, we found a home in the Brookshshire development that was zoned for Garwood. However, for two consecutive years, our neighborhood was considered for reszoning due to capacity concerns. Although Brookshshire ultimately remained at Garwood, many families in the Majestic Park area were moved and that decision was difficult for that community. To avoid uncertainty, my family moved even closer, less than half a mile from Garwood and within the walking distance
003zone. It is very discouraging to hear that the district may potentially consider reszoning close- families to a school that is more than 5 miles away from us. I understand that growth in our community creates challenges and difficult decisions. However, this is not a new issue. In the past few years that my family has been a part of this district, resoning discussions have come up multiple times. These boundary change decisions and action items create instability and stress for our families. Our community needs a long-term solution, possibly broader and more impactful zoning adjustments for all schools that create longer stability for the future. Our families deserve predictability, thoughtful planning, and transparency. I respectfully ask the board to prioritize long-term solutions that minimize disruption for existing families while responsibly addressing our district's continued and exponential growth. Thank you
004for your time. >> Thank you. Okay. So, we will go ahead and receive this uh letter. It'll go with the minutes. Okay. >> Moving on. We will go into the trust awards. Board Chair Thompson, board of trustees, Superintendent Taylor. My name is Ryan Everland and I proudly serve as a Timberlake principal. I've been in that role for 9 years and honestly, every day is a blessing. Um, tonight we have students uh that I chose uh to be here who exemplify trust. And for us at Timberlake, a lot of that is integrity and doing the right thing all of the time. not just when you're at school, but when you're competing for Timberlake or in the community. Um, these students do that and their parents and families are unbelievable people. So, I'm very honored to stand
005up here and be able to present these students to you. I'm going to go ahead and start with our freshman class. Um, I chose one boy and one girl from each class, which was hard enough cuz we have a lot of exceptional students. Um, but these these students are phenomenal. So, the first one uh that I'd like to introduce you to is Lily Ward. So, Lily has a really great sense of humor. Uh she's a positive role model. Uh for being a freshman, she's quite the leader already in the building. Uh she's part of our uh building or sorry, student leadership. Um she likes to snowboard in her spare time. um she was on our basketball team that just finished third at state and she was also an all state selection as a freshman on
006the soccer team. So she's had a pretty good freshman year so far. Um so Lily, good job and keep it up. >> Our next student tonight is Eli Royce. Eli is also a freshman and a couple things about Eli you should know is he does not back down from a challenge. Um any kind of challenge. Um but he's on our cross country team and uh they finished third this year and he was a big part of that and if you know anything about the cross country runners they run hundreds of miles all the time even this time of year. Uh so it's pretty impressive. Um he's also participating in track and field right now. Um he's he's the kind of kid that doesn't sit still. So during the school day as I'm walking around, he's
007moving. He's positive. Uh kids look up to him. So uh let's hear for uh next we have Parker Kathy. Uh Parker is hardworking and determined. Uh he certainly leads by example. Uh he likes to wrestle. He wrestles in club. He wrestles for the school. Um he recently was fifth place at state. Um and has participated in our leadership program at Timberlake. Um what stands out to Parker for me about Parker is I we're at the doors every morning and Parker every single day says good morning. And not always do you get a how are you doing back? but it's always how you doing. So, uh that stands out to me and I have no doubt that he's always doing good work behind the scenes. So, uh thanks Parker. Next, we have Addie Archer. Addie, um
008the first thing that comes to mind with Addie is she's helpful. Um she's very selfless. I feel like she would do anything for anybody before she would for herself. She's very talented. If there's anything involving athletics, she could step right in and contribute any sport anytime. And not just as an athlete, but as a really good human. Um, she plays volleyball. Uh, are you doing track and field this year? Track and field. She was on our basketball team that just got third place. And in club track, she doesn't have tacklon. So, she's very active, uh, not only at Timberlake, uh, but also outside of school. Um, and she is she is she's very positive every single day. Um, today, as a matter of fact, we were at a like a career fair at the school
009and this this uh adult said, "Hey, go get a shirt." And you could tell she just wanted to get back to class, but she's like, "Okay." And it was just a good example of she she'll she'll step up and do what she's asked to do. And she's a great kid. So, great job, ADDIE. All right, next student on here is Lola Agelston. I actually thought Lola was a senior all year this year. So, I was ecstatic when she's reminded me five times that she was a junior because she is hilarious. And I give I must make really bad dad jokes cuz she lets you know. So I do appreciate that honesty. Um I find that she's extremely witty. Extremely witty. Just can make a joke out of anything that I better than I can. Um
010she was on our cross country state championship team this year. Um and she was a huge part of that. Uh she's been in leadership at Timberlake uh track and field right now. And she loves to hike uh and do anything outside um road trips and yoga as well. So I'm really happy that she's only a junior cuz that means we get another year with her. And uh she's awesome. Lola, I have a similar story. The next one, Micah, COME ON UP. ACTUALLY UM Micah came to us and I called him Ben for like 6 months and uh finally realized when I went to call him one day that that's his dad's name. So he never once corrected me which I thought was really nice. Um but I would best describe him as a kind person.
011He's very family oriented. Um, and he certainly has a group that gravitates towards him at Timberlake. Um, he's he's a leader. He doesn't have a ton to say, but it's just all his actions are positive and what you want to see. He's a member of the cross country team, um, track and field. Um, he did soccer for a year and he takes uh, dual credit classes at Timberlake High School. So, he's got a lot going on and a bright future. So, good job, M. All right, our last two um our seniors. I'll go with Josh Jagger first. Josh is a funny guy. Um I've enjoyed him. I wish he was only a junior because it's been a great four years with him at Timberlake. Freshman year all the way through. not one negative interaction from
012myself or any staff members and I doubt any students. Um, when I call him down for this, I probably shouldn't tell the school board this, but I end up talking to him for like 45 minutes. >> Yeah. And I'm like, I'm going to miss this this guy. Um, he's very encouraging. Very encouraging to everybody. There's not one person they wouldn't encourage. His he has great energy. He's friendly. Um, and today at that career fair, I saw I got connected with a construction guy, >> which is what he wants to do in the future. So, that's very cool. Um, cross country, track and field. Um, a a big part of community service with the cross country team. And he also wanted me to say that he feels strongly that God has blessed him. And so, let's
013hear it for Josh. And last up, we have Malia Miller. All right. Well, I I think I met Malia when she was in first and or second grade because Malia would be at Timberlake High School before 6:00 every morning shooting. Um, and so it's easy to describe her hardworking, >> shooting a basketball. shooting a basketball. So, uh seen her grow up and um she's kind of the definition of grit and determination. Um she has been named the basketball player of the year for 3A in uh for the state of Idaho. She's been North Idaho athlete of the year. Um she's part of the student advisory council for the HSA, which is a huge deal. She goes to principal meetings, meet meets with ads and principles all around the state. She represents not only Timberlake but
014all students um which is a big deal and a big responsibility. Um she's been a part of basketball, soccer, cross country, track and field, golf, and so she's stayed plenty busy and is our validictorian this year. So she has kept her plate full and she's been a great part of Timberlake and for that we thank her. Thank you guys. Thank you. >> Congratulations again high school students. You make us proud. If you'd like to stay, you may. If you would like to leave, you can depart right now. So have a wonderful evening. Stay right home. Right. Thank you so much. I appreciate you. You can't leave now. Thank you very much. Thank you for coming. >> They just switch. Oh yeah. But it was two people's trip originally. They invited us. Have a good one,
015you guys. >> I know. That's funny. >> I know. >> Okay. So, >> is she coming back? Can you find it? >> No. >> My mom lost her phone. >> Oh no. >> Oh to look for it. >> All right. So we'll move on to our action items. First step is to appoint the clerk of the board. I move that we appoint Sarah Bdarius. Second. >> Good move. Second. All in favor say I. I. Any opposed? Hearing? None. The motion carries. Uh moving on to appoint the district custodian of records. I'll entertain a motion. >> Again, I move to appoint Sarah. >> Second. >> We have a motion and a second. All in favor say I. I. >> Any opposed? hearing them. The motion carries. I was waiting for the last name, but I got
016the second. >> Oh, well, I didn't have to clarify the second time. >> No, I suppose you didn't. Uh, moving on to approve the ths and LHS validictorian and soltori. >> Um, move to approve. Move. >> I'll second. We have a motion and a second. All in favor say I. I. Any opposed? Uh hearing none. The motion carries. Uh okay. Uh moving on to the LHS instructional minutes change and final exam schedule change. Um, it was brought to my attention that they needed to alter the calendar time and because we had approved the final schedule and there was going to be changes to that um the changes asked for only at LHS ths would remain on the same schedule that we approved prior. >> I don't know. It said my signature card was removed from
017something. Oh, it was a download. I'm sorry. >> It's okay. >> So, the unexpected thing was >> Okay. Yeah, mine pops up with fun stuff. Um, so do we have any conversation that we need to hold on LHS's uh short instructional hours? Uh, and >> and this is just for seniors, right? >> No, >> the instructional hours is for the high school. The final exam schedule is for the final exams. >> Oh, okay. >> We initially approved the three days. They to make the instructional minutes. They have to narrow it down to two days that they go full time and then one half day and then they've also added one minute in their I've taken away one minute in their passing period and they have to extend the day by one minute. So, and if
018they do this, they meet all the instructional hours. Perfect. And apparently they um it was told to me that they the reason they're in this position is they chose to remove the zero hour, but Timberlake did not. They're still running with a zero hour. So, do we need to have any conversation on this? >> I'm good. >> No, I'm good. I'll move to approve it as presented. >> We have a motion and a second. All in favor say I. >> I. I. >> Any opposed? Hearing none, the motion carries. Uh, moving on to the LEA request to begin negotiations. I know um at our last meeting this was brought up as part of the IBB, but we do need to approve the request to enter into negotiations. So I asked that it be brought back
019as an action item and the language was uh revisited and revised to enter into negotiations, not interest based bargaining at my request. Do we need to have any conversation or discussion on this? >> Nope. >> Okay. I'll entertain a motion. >> I'll move to approve as presented. >> Second. >> We have a motion and a second. All in favor say I. >> I. >> Any opposed? Hearing none, the motion carries. Uh, moving on to the UPS battery backups and network switch projects project bids. >> That's one page to um make it go away. I couldn't hear you. I'm sorry. You're >> just reading. Oh, >> I didn't know she was here. >> No, she is. >> Hello, Jessica. >> Hello. >> Um, so Jessica, is there a reason this didn't come before us before that
020it's coming to us now? >> Just a oversight. Um, just a complete oversight the timing of it that it went out. Um, we had some other things going on at that same time at the board meeting and I just missed it. >> Okay. >> Do you know who all the vendors were that this bid was submitted to? It wasn't published apparently. >> It was published. Um it's just it was published through the -ate website. Um or so uh so we didn't have to publish in the paper on this one because the publishation was taking place through them. Um there was no cost to the district for publish publication and it was also advertised on the district website. >> So we didn't necessarily distribute to multiple vendors. We just put it on the website. Correct. I
021mean the the >> site. >> Yeah, the -ate site. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Do we need to have any conversation on this? to bring me up to speed would probably take a week. I I wasn't this was obviously things that were part of another pro or a program that's been talked about or >> uh you know >> well the way I'm understanding this is the IT department uh needs battery backups and network switches >> and because I mean it's up in the price range We're supposed to give permission for that to go out for bid. >> Okay. >> That step was skipped simply due to timing >> request, >> right? Well, they've already sent it out for bid. And what it's come back with is that for the battery backups, it's going to cost uh
022the contract will be 51,37271 and then the network switches will be $117,3163. Um and that they're asking us to approve that. um the contract go to Ednetics who we use consistently. I mean we use them kind of for everything but we will be getting I believe 60% >> refunded >> of this back and then the remaining dollars will be covered through the state technology grant that we receive. So it's no cost or impact on our general fund >> and it's equipment that's needed >> apparently >> we're told don't know what it's needed for. I know what battery backups are, but I'm not sure about these network switches. >> But they need them. >> That's everything. >> Go ahead, Jess. >> Uh the network switches are a multi-game capable network switch that allows our our existing
023wireless access points to operate at faster speeds. Okay. >> Um these switches will be deployed throughout the district at locations with centralized network infrastructure. >> Okay. Is this something we currently have and needs to be replaced or is this something new we're adding? Um, it is something that we have that needs to be replaced. >> Okay. That's what I thought, but I wasn't sure. >> Yep. Um, same thing with the battery backups. They just have past their useful life and need to be replaced. >> Okay. >> Does that make sense? I mean, >> does it bring you up to speed? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Just a little bit. Okay. >> Thank you. >> Sure. Perfect. >> So on that note, I'll >> I read through the the whole thing, >> the 77 pages. >> Wow,
024my eyes are almost >> straight down. >> Okay. >> Did you get some good rest? >> Okay. >> So on that note, um if there's no discussion that needs to be had, uh I'll entertain a motion on this. >> Move to approve. We'll second. So, we have a motion and a second. All in favor say I. >> I. Any opposed? Hearing none, the motion carries. >> Thank you. >> You're welcome. Uh, moving on to the plant facilities levy. So, we have the resolution that was prepared um apparently by Holly Troxell. Um, I would like to point out that throughout the resolution they are calling us the joint school district, not the Lakeland Joint School District. So, that would need to be corrected. >> I can get that updated if >> if you have the word
025format. I'm sure you could just add the actual school name in there. >> Yep, I can absolutely do that. >> But it's throughout. They just keep referring to us as the joint school district number 272. >> Yep. >> So, shall we have conversation on this? I don't know how much I mean My apprehension is just that we have had no input on the $3 million um where it's going to go. Um if that's even sufficient, if it's too much. I mean, there was no inclusion on that. Um so that's just my reservation. >> Mhm. And because the push is to put this on the May ballot, we are up against a time dilemma. Well, and the Jess, when does this have to go to >> to be to the county? Next Friday. >> March 13th.
026Yeah. Oh, yep. I knew it was somewhere. Um, the fortunate thing with the plant and facilities levy is we can change, you know, yes, they gave us an outline of the the things that would likely be purchased or what could should be purchased, >> right, >> with each year's $3 million. Um unlike the supplemental levy, we don't have to and the ballot language doesn't specify where it has to be spent. Obviously, we're going to spend it >> appropriately on plant and facility um >> approved items. Um this thing was >> I do believe the board had um requested a a workshop on this um which we've done in the past with their previous plant facility levies. Um I know facilities director and myself would be 100% would love that input um and that guidance. We
027did put this together following um the 10-year plan that was put together for the school modernization funds u with some additional projects added that we know that weren't part of that like uh the tracks and things like that at the high schools. >> How did we determine that 3 million would be sufficient for a 5year span for um maintenance? >> Um it's enough money that allows us to do some pretty major projects. um each year. Uh the previous ballot or the previous absolute levy that expired last June um was only a million46,000, right? >> And it just wasn't quite enough year over year to actually get major capital improvements done. Um and so that's that where that $3 million came in um at that point in time. Uh again, because it is something that we're
028trying to do this year, we went back and forth between 2 million to 3 million. um we just felt like 3 million might be palatable for a lack of a better term um to our our taxpayers, our community. Um by and being able to show the projects that we're hoping to complete with that um with the board's input and uh approval obviously um to really show why it's needed. Um a million's just not quite enough to get anything major done. >> No, I understand that. I just was curious what the methodology was to coming up with that. It sounds like we just sort of maybe considered doubling what we had a little bit more than double >> and there was a little bit more to it cuz we were looking at the projects that we
029were hoping to accomplish trying to keep a um realistic timeline of what can be accomplished each summer because that was really the time that we had to do major construction projects. So a lot of that was really focused on what can we accomplish each year and then building in some contingency for you know building furniture and you know the operational department buildings sometimes need some work that we don't typically get to handle through like school modernization funds and things like that. So just keeping those projects in mind having a contingency if a boiler goes down there's money to use other than but balance of the general fund. So, yes, the $3 million does seem kind of arbitrary, but when you look at it through the lens of what we can accomplish without having to go
030out to a major bid or something like that, um that's the dollar amount that we really kind of settled on to be effective as a a district. >> Okay. >> We >> thank you for the information. We also gathered uh just to just confirm and Tim, we also gathered information from our principles that were uh projects that they felt that was important to add to this list. Uh so we we used that information to help compile this list. So we did get um feedback from our principles in regards to their their facility sites and what we could do to uh what they felt were their priorities. And they also gave us some wish list too. Um but uh they also listed, hey, look, this is serious. We need to we need to address that. So
031So there was a lot of collaboration on this list. Obviously, we were really look forward to the board's input, too. >> Well, we weren't given the list tonight. We were just given the resolution language. So, >> we did provide you the list uh >> at the last board meeting. Okay. >> I just not looking at that included on this one as well. Yes. Thank you, Madam Chair. Appreciate it. I tried to remember what the impact to um tax dollars was on this. >> It says $30 >> per 100,000. >> Yeah. Oh, you're good, Jess. We can't see you. You can't see us. It's all good. We can hear you. You're the voice in the sky. Would this, if we were to go out for this and the levy were to pass, would the offset that
032the state provides hit this first before hitting the supplemental levy or >> that is correct. >> Okay. So this would supersede the supplemental levy for reduction and then hit the supplemental. Okay. >> Yeah. So it goes bonds, plant facility levy, and then supplemental levy and then if there's anything left after that, we can put it in fund 435, which we don't currently have because we have anything left. >> Okay. Do you recall what the rate is on the supplemental levy >> per 100,000? >> Uh it's $19, I believe. Um >> Okay. Is that with or without the >> That is without the um school market or school facilities fund which is that property tax relief offset. >> So the property tax relief would would basically eliminate this at $3 million >> potentially. So the the
033thing that we're being cautioned of um at the state level uh is although sales tax revenue is stay being increased steady, there's some other pots of money that get transferred into that uh school facilities fund that provides that property tax relief. So although we received $4 million for that this year, it's going to be probably closer to one maybe two at the highest million next year. So we won't receive as much property tax relief. Um, I have some plans to work with uh our communications person to get some of that information out once we know what the amounts are and try to help educate that. Even though your property tax rate will appear higher next year on your bill, it's not because we're levying more. It's just because we don't have any guarantee over the
034amount that we get from the state each year because it fluctuates, >> right? be proactive with the education limit. So, I hope they won't get as many phone calls in November when tax bills go out. I guess the advantage to the taxpayer if they were to choose to support this and pass it then the more costly tax would be credited off >> and the dollar N >> Mhm. would um >> exactly. Yeah. >> Sure. What that means? >> What do you mean? >> What we're talking about? >> Yeah. more costly before they credit it off. That's >> well because this one is sitting at $30 and potentially $3024 per $100,000 as opposed to the dollar 9 per 100,000. >> Okay. >> So, whatever the tax the school what is it called? School mo It's not
035the school modernization fund, but >> it's a school facilities fund. >> Yep. >> Okay. So, the school facilities fund. um tax credit goes against whatever levies, bonds, or anything that we have. We currently have no bonds. We've paid them all off. So, we just have the supplemental levy, which helped offset the tax dollars this goound for taxpayers. So instead of the 7 uh 52 million, we ended up with the taxation was on 3.52 million because we took the 400 the 4 million off the tax bill. >> Okay. And so now if we add another 3 million to that 7.5, which they're two different bills, that 3 million will be attacked first with school facilities monies. I don't know why I can't think of the names, >> but um so say we get 4 million, then
036that 3 million would offset the um plant facilities levy. So there would be no tax impact to the taxpayer, but that 7.52 would then go down to 6.52 that they would be taxed on at a dollar 9 or two or whatever it was >> per 100,000. So it would be more but at a lesser rate. >> More less >> than the 30 per 100,000. More >> more lesser. Yes, it would be more or less. >> Oh, I understand that. >> So that's what we're talking about at the moment. >> Um, can I correct myself? I'm so sorry. Sure. >> I was thinking back to the 2023 levy. Um, and it was $19 per 100 per $1,000. This one is $82.37. >> I I just I had to pull up the ballot language cuz I wanted
037I as you said that I'm like, "Nope, I said that wrong." So, I apologize for that. But, uh, it's $82.37 per 100,000 for the supplemental levy that was passed in May of 25. >> Okay. I was going to say there's this wasn't it wasn't math wasn't mapping in my head. >> It wasn't math for me as soon as I heard it. >> How can how can 7.52 equate to $1 when 3 million equates to $30 when it was perundous? >> Per thousand. >> Okay. >> Well, that's a bummer. So then taxes would go up >> if this one supersedes it and they pay the lesser amount for all first. >> Well, it's going to go I mean either way it's fluctuating as always. >> That's the one difficult thing with the property tax relief is
038because we can't we don't know the dollar amount until August each year. It's really difficult to be able to to even try to guess where we're going to land. >> Right. Well, I would rather not really consider it in the decision. Um, >> I agree >> because it's coming off of one or the other. So, if it's coming off of this as opposed to that, we're still raising it's still $3 million increase to property taxes. >> True. From property taxes. Um, >> well, I mean, allowing it to go on the ballot and letting the taxpayer determine. Yeah. I just think 3 million is a lot more than what I think a lot of our constituents will swallow will be willing to approve. So I I would feel better about not going with 3 million. >>
039What do you think would be a sufficient amount? Because we're being told that the 1.47 or 49 >> wasn't quite enough, but we bump we more than doubled it if it wasn't quite enough. since you're here, Tim. >> Tim A, facilities director. Um, yeah. So, I did a a pretty comprehensive breakdown and I I ended up at 2 million, but as we sat down and actually put numbers to years and schools to years over the 5year period, it could go 3 to 5 million. And one of the major parts of that is we have 11 schools and they each have a roof, >> right? >> And each one of those roofs, we'll just say a million dollars for a roof. So the way we had planned this is that we would have roof funds because
040you're going to have to replace these roofs every 30 years, >> which seems like a long time, but that's one every 3 years, >> right, >> for 11 schools. So, as you set money aside for that, now you can have a rotation so that every three years the roofs are getting updated. Now, Lakeland High School this year is going to get majority of their roof done as part of the modernization funds, >> right? >> Lakeland Middle School get the gym done as part of the modernization funds, but the rest of the schools 3 years from now, we're going to have to start looking at repairs, things like that. The other things that we had had put into consideration, we did get feedback from the principles um can really for example has weeds growing up through
041their track. Um there's really no fix for that. I mean we can kill weeds, we can spray stuff on them, but eventually it's deteriorating if I'm saying that correctly. Uh Lakeland High School, their track is starting to fall apart as well. Um >> just redid that. >> They just redid it. Yep. And I did look at I walked it with uh Tim Kefir and he was showing me some of the the really problemmed areas and it it really comes down to and we've just could probably test more of this than I can but it was before my time but the guys who did the work have had problems in other school districts as well. Unfortunately, it's it's some of the work was shotti and probably some of the base material was shotti which just means
042the longevity >> workmanship up to a point. But the problem is we need to relay the asphalt base the issue. Yeah. >> So you lay rubberized material over cracked asphalt or deteriorating asphalt, it's going to bleed through. So, some of the other things that we're looking at, luckily, we're we're taking care of John Brown this year with the modernization funds. Um, we're getting a lot of the HVAC done in the buildings with the modernization funds. However, uh, Lakeland High School, for example, are getting new rooftop units, but their main boiler inside the building is they we just got report the other day, it's got 1 to 3 years life. Um, we just replaced Twin Lake Elementary, but then we've got units that are in some of the older schools that are going to have to
043be redone. So, we really dig did dig deep into what we could foresee. In 5 years, I could probably spend a lot more than 15 million on the schools just because of the deferred maintenance over year over year. Um, there's flooring, there's, you know, some of the schools have mismatched paint through them. A lot of it's cosmetic or not a lot of it, some of it's cosmetic. A lot of it is structural. Um, it's just things at this level or this, you know, size of building get very expensive. >> Mhm. So, um, I took the recommendations from the principles, uh, I built it out into a spreadsheet and I priced out on average what things would cost for each one of those items. We got a a grand total on all that. We kind of
044split it up between year for year and which building so that we weren't just focused on one building. We would go from one to the other and spread it around. And that's how we landed at three. Okay. And of course, all the buildings will be synchronized when they need things on on schedule, right? >> That's what I would like. Espec Well, the roofs. Yeah, that's that's a big thing. You know, we think about as homeowners, you have a 20 30 year roof. You don't start saving for it until you're about 5 years out and realize that it's going to be an issue. We deal right now to Lake High School's got roof leaks that we're dealing with. You know, we're we're patching them back. I was up on Lakeland High School yesterday drilling core samples
045and there's so much goop in certain areas that it's just somebody went up there with a bucket of goop. Thought, well, there's a leak somewhere here. I'm just going to coat it. The >> whole thing. >> The problem never gets fixed. There's water behind it. We had the the roof scanned. There's actually liquid under the tpo that's been there for I don't know how long, but it, you know, water will find a way. it deteriorates out. So, yeah, it's just kind of trying to get things back. Where I would like to see the district go into the future is to be more of a on a preventative maintenance schedule. Um, another prime example is water shut off valves. So, I can go over and work on a on a bathroom at the middle school. I
046got to shut the whole wing down or wait for spring break, Christmas break, or, you know, non- studentent day. But if we just put a couple isolation valves in certain key areas, but it costs money. And then with the modernization funds this year, my department's been utilizing the interest off of the modernization funds to just try to keep things going. And as we spend the money this summer, we're going to lose a lot of that interest. So next year is going to be tough year unless we're able to pass a bag. I guess, you know, it's on the board to decide the dollar amount, but it's definitely taxpayer. We got to kind of let them know what's going on. So, we've been taking a lot of pictures, too, >> so we can show things that
047are dilapidated and time to replace. It's just too bad that we don't we don't have but two months before this >> goes on the ballot to educate. That's >> you're >> the fact that this is coming to us in March >> is frustrating. over in Hower. When I was out walking the the precinct to run for office, I had people saying, "I'm not going to vote for the fire levy." Well, it's a volunteer fire department and they need equipment. And people in million-dollar homes were going, "I'm not going to pay for that." You know, like, >> so there's a lot of attitude. >> Yeah. And then there's people that can't that are going to have struggles paying even that much. >> Excuse me. Thank you. >> Well, if we don't do something, then it's going
048to go back to the way it was. And so >> you can never get on top of it if you don't do something. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. It's it's a long-term when I lived in Spokane Valley, the city council there, well, the the street department set up a schedule. They'd repave a street and a certain number of years later they would go fill the cracks and then they would go back and they would do major fills and then they, you know, they knew exactly when they were going to replace that street and how and they would go all the way down to the roaded and fix it and then they had a certain number of years where it was going to hold up and u you you haven't had it sounds like you haven't had
049enough years to have gotten that. No, but I worked in the paving industry >> doing major highways, so I understand that. >> The roof isn't any different. >> The roof is very similar. >> As much traffic, >> correct? But plumbing and electrical are the same. >> Yeah. >> You We have old pipes. I got a bathroom over at Lakeland High School that pipes broke under the building somewhere cuz it's bringing dirt back up through the urinal. And there's nothing I can do about it right now. It's There's ways to fix it, but I'd rather not tear up the whole >> Yeah. floor. Was it >> Mike Holmes says do it right. >> Exactly. >> I'm just surprised that we're having to revisit roofs because for 4 years we were redoing everyone's roof and now you're
050saying we need to redo them all again. >> Not now. >> I know. I'm kind of future >> for the future is what I'm doing. >> Well, we have to get them on a schedule, >> right? And I respect that. I just know that I thought we were on a schedule that we made it through all of them, but now you're telling us that Lakeland High Schools getting removed, which um I was just trying to look for that document that we had been presented with. It was a while ago. It was before you, >> right? And from my understanding that one >> roof matrix >> high school is a matrix cuz each roof was done on a different year and there's >> 12 different 10 different >> roofs here. >> And some of the roofing
051projects weren't full reofs. They were just patchbacks in some of them. So some of the ones that were done in 2018 2019 were not a full roof replacement. If I remember correctly, it was like only John Brown that had actually >> Well, there was John Brown, Betty Kefir, Garwood, >> but I don't remember. >> And maybe those are the ones that aren't having issues right now because we're having issues. >> Well, and Twin Lakes have because they didn't get the warranty on the roof, >> so we had to shell out all the money for a new roof there. All righty. It's definitely a big decision of >> Trusty Bane. >> Yes. >> Um I believe you talked about a $2 million mark. >> Um if we were to go to a $2 million levy, um
052it would be $20.16 per 100,000. Yeah. >> What are your thoughts, Dave? >> I just don't want to see all the progress we've made go backwards. And maintenance doesn't even have a budget. >> Mhm. >> I mean, just dayto-day stuff, >> just operational >> cleaning. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, we're to go forward and keep going trying to fix up the buildings and >> and pray to God that this ley goes through. >> I think that's my hard thing is like >> is it going to go through for three or should we reduce it and increase the potential that it does go through? I mean, would dropping at a million dollars? >> I don't think it would matter. >> You don't think so? Okay. I will move to approve $3 million as presented. >> Okay. So,
053we have a motion and a second. All in favor say I. >> I'm sorry for chair Thompson. This is a resolution. It's roll. >> Okay. Thank you. You're right. >> Thank you. >> New clerk. >> Go ahead. >> I have one more thing. Do you want to make the change to the resolution that it states Lakeland Joint School District? I didn't know if you needed to have that verbage in there >> in the >> With the corrections. Okay. >> So, you modified your Rachel, >> we have a motion to approve the resolution with the modification to changing joint school district number 272 to Lakeland Joint School District new 272. And we have a second on that. We need a roll call vote. >> Trusty Bane, >> yes. >> Trusty Broadhead, >> yes. >> Trusty Thompson,
054>> yes. >> Trusty Quimby, >> yes. >> Thank you. >> You're welcome. >> Thank you. We appreciate it. >> Thank you so much. >> All right. >> Mhm. bus >> bus rooms to get this passed now. >> All right, moving on to the discussion items. Uh, we need to choose a date for a possible expulsion hearing. I am not here or in town first the first full week of April. So, beginning the day after Easter, I am out. Um, based on the date schedule so far, it would need to be between the dates of March 13th and March 24th. >> Oh, so we're coming up like >> Gotcha. sooner. >> Okay. >> Um, >> 24th. >> Yes. >> Yeah. So, >> between when and the tournament? >> The 13th and 24th. Would we be able
055to do it on Monday the 16th? >> Yeah, I think that's fine. Okay. >> Monday the 16th. >> Okay. At 6 p.m. >> Then we need that when policy Oh, no. >> Yeah. It's still not back on the agenda yet. >> Oh, that's right. That's right. I forgot it was paused >> at 6 p.m. Yes, please. No, I should be 16 and 16. Okay. Then we also need a date for the facilities workshop um for the board to review the projects intended for the plant facility levy should it pass. or before that or do do you think it would be more appropriate to um schedule this workshop after >> after we know whether or not it passes >> the results. >> Yeah, >> probably. >> Um historically we've done that in July. >> Okay. So,
056it's it's we've got some time out there. We can we can set this aside and revisit it um after May. Would that >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Thank you Sarah for jotting that down. Um okay. The April 1st board meeting April 1. Um is uh on spring break. Do we intend to hold the meeting? >> It's a special meeting. >> No. Oh yes. would be the special so we can just say >> okay so we'll not hold on April 1st >> okay it's my grand's birthday happy birthday grandma >> okay so I'm going to go ahead and delete that so I know yes just this all right u moving on to the meeting recording system brought this to my attention and I wanted to bring it to all of your attention um because we they've
057had historically problem after problem audio um and the video. I don't know if anyone had a chance to look at it. I realize this isn't something we should probably jump on the bandwagon like tomorrow by >> but I think the system is dynamic and I think it would benefit our community if people could >> hear us and see us and know who's talking and what they're saying and all that. So, >> so is this one that you're familiar with because you've used it previously? >> I have not gotten to use it, but I know of others who have, and it's a very plugandplay as much as it can be. Um, and it they have systems that are built specifically for the room setup that you guys are utilizing currently. >> Okay. And what I liked
058is that when someone's speaking there, it would talk, you know, it would look at them >> and then when we're talking, it would look at each one of us >> whiteboard. It would go >> transparent. >> I just thought that it would be cuz it's something we have been asking for >> for years. Yes. And we just keep getting either a camera or >> we did get these microphones which are better and an improvement from our little circle guy. But um this is actually something that I think would be hugely beneficial if we're going to continue >> great for a long time >> down this path for uh you know audio visual. So we could potentially revisit this when do you think we could revisit it? maybe make a decision of what we want to
059do. We can request it in the budget. Oh, excellent. So, well, let's put this on for uh maybe April. Okay, we'll put it in for April. Next discussion item is a zone change for schools. Um possible zone changes for Garwood Elementary Twin Lakes Elementary and John Brown Elementary. conversation on this. I really have to agree with our our public input parent that I'm I'm not in favor of >> displacing >> doing this >> again >> a little bit a little bit a little bit every year. I would this is this is more of a a project I would rather see done as a I think there's a whole a districtwide >> Yeah. >> Um >> well, I just think that with everything that is um >> what can we do some kind of uh moving
060system inside the district where like she's already in the school. So you would take people coming in and move them to a different school because I'm just saying look at it as a whole thing instead of you know >> then we end up with stupid little pockets like Brookshshire ended up and that's >> Yeah. >> Well that was just >> another bandaid though drive around for an hour. >> Yeah. >> Just like some kind of grandfather thing. Once you're in you're in. Well, when we did it the last time, there was a grandfather for those kids, >> but then they rejected people. >> Pissed them off and then they left. So, >> I know. Uh, we're not going to please everybody, and I'm well aware of that. >> Um, but I don't think it's advantageous
061for us to try and pass a levy, change the zones, and try to talk about a 4-day school week all the same year. I think that there will be a mute me, but I'm not for the zone change given that we just did it. And if we didn't do it well, then we're just going to keep making the same give a little here, give a little here, give a little here. And I don't think it's fair for those that are buying into our community that they're told, "Oh, you're zoned for this school." And then we come along and say, "Not anymore." Mhm. Um, so there there needs to be a better plan with how we're I mean, we just did Garwood and Twin Lakes >> and John Brown. >> Well, we still have the issue
062if we have capacity at uh Garwood at 97. If it continues to grow, we're going to be the board has supported uh small classrooms. Right now we're sitting at 25 to 30 kids. And so I agree with you guys. I don't I don't want to displace anybody. And then we have our newest elementary at 76%. Uh that's going to do continue just uh dwindle down. Uh and I don't think that's the effective use of that facility. We've done everything. >> Well, prior to the last change, uh Twin Links was right on up there. I mean, it was So I don't think that you can um fairly say that 76% is where Twin Lakes is consistently at. It's there because of the last changes we made. >> Yeah, that's fair. >> Well, and and what what
063is where is the evidence, I guess, of that it's going to continue dwindling down? >> So, we have no growth areas as we've presented to um our parents in Twin Lakes at this projected growth areas. That could change obviously. uh all of our growth is coming in the south which is in Garwood's district. Um so that's I guess our biggest concern. I I respect the board's listening to our public and again I I don't want to displace anyone. I don't want to make any families unhappy but I I just we're going to deal with the issue of now we've got overcrowding going on and and uh and and that's that's our only concern really that we just don't want to overcrowd. Um and we when we have a very viable um school that has three
064classrooms that are open um and that we could use um to again support the board's um continual support of our of our small classrooms um and and good instruction. >> But what would be the advantage of taking students from walking distance to the school and moving them to a whole different school that where they where we now have to bust them? >> I mean what's the advantage of that? So, in in uh last year's proposal that you're absolutely right, we were taking kids right across from the school and and that and the subcommittee once we looked at that that just didn't make good sense. So, we added in the walking zone of 1.5, you know, uh any any um student uh parents house that's in that walk-in zone of 1.5 would still continue to go
065to Hardwood. um we wanted to support that as the committee and we didn't get quite enough numbers with that with that switch because obviously we reduced our numbers down a little bit but we were trying to be responsive to what the the data we had last year. Um, so then on top of it, option C is basically a combination of B where we're including those walking zones of 1.5, leaving those kids where they're at with conditions in regards to those fourth graders um, you know, being uh, grandfathered in, allowed to come into their fifth grade year into Garwood. So, we're not asking them to leave. Uh, and then finally trying to include those um, different parents. So, and they've been very supportive. Be honest with you. They they would like to switch back from the
066feedback I've been given. I'm just we're just trying to be proactive. I Yes, this is a lot of a lot of lifting, heavy lifting, but ultimately, as I wrote, it supports our garden kiddos. It supports our Twin Life kiddos. It supports our district again in our support to be proactive and protect our kids when it comes to overcrowding and uh and and having the best instructional environment which is not 25 to 30 kids. We have no room in that that school. So, we don't fix it this way or now, how will we fix it? And then we're going to be dealing with parents coming in here telling us that those schools are the school is overloaded. uh there's there's not good instruction going on and we all know the data in regards to because you
067guys support this is the smaller classroom. So we want to supported and that was our why as a committee. We had open houses. We've we've uh given out notice. We've tried to be as transparent as possible. Uh we've sent out sky alerts. We've tried to keep those parents informed as much as possible. Uh we um Miss Felton and her crew, her her staff stayed at each night uh to talk to those parents uh and make them feel more comfortable about this move. We've tried to do everything we can do to uh you know lower their anxiety and uh and hopefully present and not hopefully for sure present a very good option in this. And at this point too after looking through our functional capacity um we have one other school that's lower and one other
068school that's higher um and that's Spirit Lake and Apple. Um but that would be if we're looking at taking in more students that are out of district students and to me those are not guarantees. So at this point um our long range committee will have further discussions but beyond the beyond our high school Lakeland High School which is pretty full and Lakeland Middle School which is also well over capacity. Um, I don't see any future changes uh at this point, but of course things could change quickly. And I think our job is to as leaders is to be insightful and uh and try to project what it's going to be like for the future. And we had not just me, we had multiple people in that room. We've got multiple feedback. Um, so again, we've
069done our homework. We just don't this is the best fix. Um, and gives our it gives our kids the best option. I'm a little cautioned by thinking it's a fix simply because we just did this and it wasn't a fix. So, I'm curious what we have determined. Um, with the new growth that is growing out on the prairie, where are those students going? Are they going there? Are they going to Betty Kefir? What are we doing with those? Are we to me, are we being proactive with the fact that we have these new developments going in and saying that these are new developments, so we're going to shift this way or we're going to shift that way as opposed to just, well, we're just going to keep them in Garwood and then we're going to
070revisit this next year. No, I would tell you right now uh Betty Kefir it's their capacity is in about 80%. Um so we have some room for growth when it comes to that. Uh and the growth is in Betty Kefir and in Garwood. They are straddling the line but again from the projections that we've been given by the city. Um most of the growth is like I said it's going to happen in the Garwood district and we're just trying to be proactive with that. When people buy a home, they're told what district or what school their kids will go the kids will go to. Yes, sir. >> Is there any way to get that changed so that >> they will say your kids are going to go here? >> It's educating the realtors. Really? It
071is. >> But is there any way to enforce that? Because it's false advertising if you have to move them. >> True. >> And get the state to go, hey, you got to you're licensed here. You got to tell them the right the truth. Please know as as your superintendent, I I never want to cause conflict or anything in the district and to bring this to the board. Um the committee I mean they had already done the work last year and I understand that we changed it two years ago in June from what I understand and we've tried to do everything you know but to avoid that. That's why we're coming to the board here in March, early March, and then hopefully come back to the board if the board chooses to on March 18th to
072make a decision so you guys can thoroughly talk to your constituents, you know, work get their information and uh and then hopefully um obviously we'll take whatever the board decides at that point in time, but we have done our due diligence and uh we did not shortside anything. We try to consider all the options. >> Are we doing anything with Timberlake Middle School? >> Timber Lake Middle School is is another one that's very close to capacity. Yeah. Um at this point, uh we have two junior highs. one Lakeland high Lakeland middle school I would tell you was more concerned to me than um at this point just because we had such a big boom uh 60 70 80 new kids >> Lakeland is sitting at 9330% Timberlake is sitting at 110.03%. >> Yeah. Yeah. That's
073why I told you that's what was my concern and we're making it work the best we can but we don't have a buying option. >> That's the high school. So Lakeland Middle's at 91.26%, not 93.30. That's the high school. So you don't have a plan for Timberlake Middle at the moment. Is that >> We don't have another middle school at this point that uh that Well, we have a middle school, but the capacity in that middle school is is pretty high at this point. Jake, go ahead. >> Uh Jake Massie, assistant superintendent. I just just want to add a couple of thoughts here. Um the first is just an acknowledgement of the fact that we we also understand that there's nothing that is fair about this. Um and we're not trying to pretend that it
074is. Um these are families who live very close to Garwood Elementary. They would be reszoned because of the new growth. Like exactly like Miss Kemp stated earlier that that is the situation that we're in. Um, my concern with looking at the whole district is that whenever we take a look at this resoning plan between Garwood, Twin Lakes, and that that small section from John Brown, it it really does get at least all of our elementary schools to that target number. Um, we want to make sure to your previous point, uh, Trusty Thompson, we want to make sure that both Betty Kefir and Garwood have a little bit of wiggle room capacity because that's where the growth is. We know that in the future we have that option to adjust the boundary line on Meyer between
075uh Garwood and Betty Kefir. Right now I don't think that we need to do that. We could look at that um but we wouldn't need to do it. And and again just just to clarify the reason why we're looking at this specific section uh by Garwood is because it is adjacent to Twin Lakes which is it is in my mind just as much of a problem that we're underutilizing highquality facilities. Um, and it is a it's a good solution for our transportation department as well. Um, that is that is a clean bus route that would just go to Twin Lakes instead of Garwood. So, um, it to speak to the middle school. I know the last time we brought this up at the board meeting, we identified that those um, functional capacity numbers at Timberlake
076Middle School might not be inclusive of the portable classrooms that were added. Uh right now I would say just anecdotally from being in the building frequently both Timberlake Middle School and Lakeland Middle School are sitting about the same in terms of class sizes and um crowding in their schools. But we understand that the spreadsheet needs to be updated. Jacobs. So, I'm curious, what didn't we get when we did this the last time just a year or so ago? Because we obviously missed something. >> Well, I I mean, to be honest with you, I think we didn't take a big enough chunk. We moved the last time we reszoned, we moved about 86 kids out of Garwood to John Brown. And I and I don't mean to speak to the process because it was messy and
077I like that was too too late in the morning. All of those things aside, we moved 86 kids. We reduced the functional capacity. It was almost an identical situation and it took 3 or 4 years to get back up to functional capacity. And so candidly, I'm not sure how we get out of that cycle as long as we continue to have growth. But we're still faced with that same challenge. Historically, year-over-year, we see more houses built on the prairie. we see Garwood's enrollment go up. And let me be I want to be very transparent. This actually is the first year since I've been in the district that it's stayed exactly the same at Garwood, but historically it has grown. Um, and even though we just did this, it is still a problem again. And so
078we also understand that this feels like we're coming back to the board all the time with this issue. Um, and frankly, we we understand that we are, but it doesn't change the circumstances that we're trying to do our best with. >> And I I I do understand that. What I'm asking you is what did we miss? I mean, we took those 86 kids, we moved them. So, what are we looking at now that is different than what we looked at before that is maybe preventative so we're not coming back again in another year when we've got 400 more houses built? Yeah, I think I think the 400 more houses built is the key to understanding why this is a a difficult thing to predict. Um, I mean, if we had the type of district where
079we had really clean municipalities and a school right in the middle, it would be very easy, right? The reality is Garwood is our southernmost school on on the east side of Meyer. >> Well, we know we need a school out there. >> We just need the money for that school. And so what is shifting what's shifting year-over-year is where our like population density is. That that's just the matter of fact. And so um I'm not really sure how to answer your question, Trusty Thompson, about what do we miss or what do we do differently because we are just being responsive to where the people are. Um and right now they're not they're not there yet. And and 3 years ago whenever we did this, Hayden Canyon wasn't there yet. Um but but now they are
080and we believe that we need to respond. So basically we'll just continue to be reactive to the growth >> until we have more capacity in buildings in different locations. I'm not sure how to put it any other way. >> Okay. >> Or build a new school like you talk about. So that would that would free up some capacity. But >> well that's what just said >> and it's it's important to me to be transparent about that and I want you to know that was stated at both of our open houses. Like we we are not making any promises that we're not going to be having this conversation again because we don't know where the growth is going to happen and we know the likelihood and timeline of passing a bond, building a building is not
081not something that can pace with the the rate of these new homes coming in. >> Right. So we we do not want to mislead anybody in thinking that there is a a way that we can look at the whole district and come up with a different picture. >> Okay. Thank you for that. >> Yeah, of course. >> Thank you, J. Appreciate it. >> You're awfully quiet. >> Okay. >> Do we need to have further conversation on this? This was just a discussion item. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> If we don't then we can move on to the um >> 4 day school school week. >> I do not have anything else tonight. >> Okay. Although I don't think it would be a bad idea to sit down with um I know that um last year
082in the long range planning committee, we sat down and did some work with um the transportation director and her maps program and looked at a lot of that. I think that would be helpful for the board to have somebody from the transportation department come in and do a workshop with the board to see where those pockets are, where the kids are, and see see if we can look just identify maybe some other potential ideas as board members, >> right? I mean, Yeah. >> Or at least to get a better understanding. >> Mhm. >> No, I hear you. I do hear you. >> I just think that if if we're not proactively anticipating of the houses that are being built, at least half of them having one child that's going to impact our our district. >>
083Mhm. >> Then I'm I'm I'm just cautioned by that because we should be. >> Mhm. But I do think um a workshop of transportation will be good. >> So Sarah, do you want to write that down and then we'll revisit that at some point in time. Thank you. Thank you. >> All right. So moving on to the 4day school week. We'll open it up for discussion. So, I did my own little um research project on 4 day school week. >> Okay. And I looked at um I know these are extremely hard to read. I totally get it. Um it's more about the colors. >> Okay. >> Um and I will I will send you guys the the Excel documents. I didn't have time to do that before. But um for right now, this I what
084I did. So that that two was for Dave. That too is um I compared I know. >> Oh. Oh, one's for me. >> Yeah, just two pages for you. The other is for me. Got it. >> So, I compared start times with sunrise and sunset for the entire school year. These two pages, one page is uh December and one page is January. I compare. So the top section is where we c what our current start and end times. >> Okay. >> The middle section is option A in the proposed >> okay >> options and the bottom section is option B. Um so the yellow um the yellow being >> sunlight. No, the yellow I I wish um unfortunately the yellow is 1 to 20 minutes before of from sunrise to school start time. >> Okay.
085The brownish color is 0 minutes or less. So that means we're we're already starting school before sunrise. Okay. Um, that's for high school, elementary school. I did orange as the 20 minutes to >> Okay. >> 1 to 20 minutes. I adjusted it because those kids I think are more v vulnerable if they're going walking to school. Um, they're little kids walking to school in the dark. >> Okay. >> Um, and this doesn't even take into consideration our kiddos that ride the bus. I did look at bus transportation route times. Yeah, >> our average elementary route time is 46 minutes. So that means the earlier we go to school, the more likely our kids are in the dark. In the dark. So this option B puts our elementary kids almost an entire month their schools starting
086before sunrise. What's the red? That is them. They have to get to school before sunrise. Okay. In the dark. All of the both both option A and option B. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Put our kids in more danger than So I did sunrise and sunset. So there are times where we're getting out of school after sunset. Um yeah, on some of these um I guess it wasn't after sunset, but it's >> we're pushing it. >> Yeah, we're pushing it. And as it is, it's all, you know, we're already in a situation where it's not ideal, but it is where we live and our geographic area of our our district. Our kids aren't they're their commute to school isn't 5 minutes. It's 20 minutes or, you know, or if they're on the bus, it's 45
087minutes. Our high schools are and junior highs are 56 minute average transportation route time. >> Okay. >> From the the of course the the beginning very first stop. But >> yeah. >> Wow. >> So that's that was my concern. I I don't like a schedule that puts our elementary kids walking to school before sunrise for an entire month out of the school year. Yeah. >> So, it's half of December and half of January, which I understand that we're on Christmas break during that time. I get I get that. Yeah. But there's still days. >> Yeah. So, >> well, thank you for this information, >> Trusty Bane. I just want you to know we obviously we had a committee. We had a subcommittee to work through it. um transportation because we are the second largest um
088transportation area in Idaho as it's kind of a a bug and loop for us and um we have loop and uh over by Apple um we have another loop and basically it takes 60 minutes to run that loop and that's really our issue with the trust committee really wanted to cut it down um and in the conversations with transportation and uh Jessica um we feel like if there's any way to cut these times down, we could be very close to what we currently get out. Um 7:30 is what we pretty I think we start at 7:35 is what we start at the high school. So it's it's basically 5 minutes earlier. Uh obviously it's it's you know it's um 3:45 is definitely later. There's no question about that. So um and again the two the
089map uh excuse me the the calendar and the instructional minutes are connected. Um if you want shorter days you have to increase more calendars. And from the feedback uh that we got uh one of the hard nos for students was um the two weeks before Labor Day. Um so as as I explained in my update um so we our hope is that we can find a way uh Jessica um obviously we have um her department the transportation department so we can try to you know any kind of savings this would be the worst case scenario. Our hope is that we could trim it down um to to you know uh to address your concern which are what are many parents concerns too. So just know that uh we we we we're trying when it comes
090to that and thank you for on that observation and your information say something come up too. >> No no okay >> public input time was at the beginning of the meeting. >> Oh was it? Okay I was confused. >> Okay that's okay about that yet. >> My concern is we pulled We have 4527 students. >> Actually, I sent 5,640 emails out. >> Okay. Hold on. We have we have 4,000. Visit web the website. 4527 student voted. Yep. That is nothing. Parents about 10,000 only, 1600 voted. >> On the parents, we sent u 5,64 emails. That's what we had as uh parent contacts. We made multiple tries uh and to get uh information out um did a statistical analysis of it all. I took stats uh and you look at a population and you can get
091a certain amount of participation and you can get a pretty pretty good guess. 95% at this point. Um if you get over 750 um parents and we had over you know what, 1,600 um we can pretty much guess plus or minus two. If we were asked each parent um out of 10, six would say yes, let's give it a try. The other 40% would say no. So I'm just trying to honor the 60% that said, hey, look, can we at least talk about this? And and that's why even the discussion even began in the first place. just know that. So, I get what you're saying too, but I'm trying to represent both sides in that sense. >> But statistically, we we have more than plenty to meet that 95% competency level, which I I gave
092you that information. Um, and plusus 2 is pretty good. I mean, so we can we can gather either it's 62 for one way or 58 50 uh 58 the other way. So >> Dave only 9th through 11th grade were >> given the survey students graduating. >> So we didn't consider the seventh and eighth graders. it was talked about um committee agreed that they thought 9th through um 11th grade would be because they're basically they are young adults and I'm not saying that those grade levels don't have as much uh thought into this but uh we felt like since we're really close to being 18 and young adults we felt like they would be give us the most amount of information uh most pertinent amount of and they did they obviously they they did they said
093they voted uh 40% voted uh for it and only 60% represent voted uh uh voted against it, I should say, and they made it very clear their their concerns were the early morning cuz we initially sent out the calendar said 7:15. Uh they asked to back it up to where we currently are, which we did. We as a committee, we made that adjustment to 7:30, but obviously that means they're going to get out later in the day because it's connected like that. Um, so we've tried to adjust. Then we pulled back another week. Um, which we're starting about the same time we started this year. Unfortunately, Labor Day falls really late for us. Um, and uh, so that kind of creates its own problem there. So, just know that. So, we've tried to be responsive
094to the students who I I really feel should have a voice and a lot of them made it very clear that uh, we need to listen. uh we cannot make the shift any later uh when it comes to Labor Day. We run into the problem of graduation and instructional minutes for our seniors. Uh so that's the reason why we can't shift it any later as I explained to parents. So committee has done a lot of work. We had a lot of people involved in this. We had a lot of uh opinions, voices, and obviously we put out surveys. We've got as much feedback as we can. Um last year, 67% of our parents said, "Hey, look, can we at least take a we actually they voted for it." Um this year, we wanted to be
095more transparent. We showed them the worst case scenario when it came to um the calendar. We showed them the worst case scenario when it came to the bell schedule. And then from there, the committee came back to the table with the information and we adjusted accordingly as much as we could. And Chairman Thompson, I think you said it well. You're not going to make everyone happy. So, >> what about what are we doing for daycare? >> Daycare. Um, we're Jess is still on the phone, but we're looking at base um to provide daycare. In previous districts I've worked at because we've freed up staff. A lot of those staff to earn extra money uh will sometimes take on child care or just take in the kids just because we're a close-knit family. So our hope
096that is is hoping well the base we can guarantee but obviously we'd have to do signups and determine the amount of kiddos that we would um have and then to establish those base camps uh accordingly for the interest. So why is it we couldn't go one more week into gym? >> Uh seniors graduate. Uh we um obviously New Life uh we uh we contract with them with regards to graduation. They book out their facilities for almost 10 years. Uh that's what I was told. Um I did have um Mr. Evelyn check with him. He's kind of our contact. Um they I I think Post Falls is adding into it. It's rebel and you can speak to it too if you want to, but uh we did contact them. They said uh basically the first week,
097the 7th and 8th uh or 8th and 9th, I might get it wrong there. Were uh we're locked in and if unless we wanted to move from that facility, which I gather we don't because it's uh we it's a beautiful facility and our parents and our students really truly enjoy it. >> So, we can't alter the schedule because of where we hold graduation. That's >> because we won't have our instructional minutes. they'll they'll get out too late. Uh cuz now >> No, but what you're saying is because of where we hold graduation, we can't alter the calendar >> because we could add more days for instructional time, but then we wouldn't have the same facility for where we hold the graduation. That's the only reason. >> Well, no. The biggest reason is uh if we
098go if we pushed it back another week, seniors would not meet their instructional minutes. That's the number one reason. The secondary reason if they graduate on the 8th 9th at that facility. >> Well, okay. >> If you push it back another week, that does what? That doesn't make sense. If you eliminate the the location for graduation as an issue. >> Okay. Michelle's asking, "Why can't you move it further into June? Move the end of the year further into June." >> Absolutely. If we eliminate the facility that we're going to use that we're booked at on the 8th, >> but you said it's two reasons. You said it's that end that seniors wouldn't meet the instructional minutes. >> So, if we graduate them on the 8th and 9th and we push back another week, they would
099not have the instructional minutes in uh to meet the graduation requirement. So, it's only because of the location. >> Correct. >> Well, it's the time, too. You're absolutely right. If we can move it to a If we can move it to a later time, which we did check, um, you're right. We could fit it. We could push it another week down, >> which is what we wanted to do. >> None of we're already having boiler issues at our schools. Our schools are not built to be in school in August. It's true. >> For kids to be in our schools in August. So, >> especially John uh John Brown. I mean, good lord. >> None of our schools have AC. >> Yeah. I mean, having them go in September is risky sometimes. >> Yeah. Most adults
100can't even handle a 10-hour workday. I just don't understand >> the justification of asking our kids to do it. >> Another problem is is my wife's that HR director. Now these kids are getting out of high school and they're going, "What do you mean I have to work for 5 days?" You know, >> you know, so we're I don't know. >> Kids thrive on routine. that calendar I'm sorry is >> we try to make it as consistent as possible. >> Is there any consideration for kindergarten? >> Yeah, absolutely. Uh we we have >> there's no extra extra time set up for kindergarten. So the assumption is that they would run on the exact same elementary schedule. >> Well, I meant when you meant consideration, it was a discussion. Um, Chairman Thompson, we had m we
101had uh elementary principles in in the room and they were concerned too. So, but um again, I'm going to quote you. You said that can't make everyone happy. We're just trying to do the best we can. >> Well, there's study after study after study that shows specifically for kindergarten there is no benefit for this long elaborate day in in the world of elementary land. Right? And I respect the fact that I've had elementary principles talk about the fact that there is, you know, half day is hurting cats. So the full day you're actually introducing the educational principles that they want to introduce. But there's no way I can support a 5-year-old going for this duration. There has to be a compromise specifically for kindergarten. I mean, I I don't get why we can't I mean,
102we're only funded on a half day, even though we push them for a full day. >> So, why don't we find the compromise of being like, >> you know, go a little longer than half time, but let's not crank it out to the full extent because it's it's just it's not productive for the little people. >> And I appreciate that that comment and that recommendation. I do. And and could we take a really good look at it? Yeah, absolutely. And also I want to comment on the be schedule that was that was in support of research. Uh we were trying to flip it where research supports elementary uh being in the morning. Uh they're uh obviously their earlier risers than our our our uh high school students. So that's why the B came about is
103the U committee elementary teachers uh mainly uh wanted us to take a serious look at at this flipping the two and I agree to chairman B that it is early in the morning but we wanted to at least present it to you guys as an option. Also, Postf Falls School District figured out that it didn't really work very well for um shifting the weeks that have Monday holidays um and going to school on Fridays. >> Yeah. >> The issue with that it was that um again we run into the the transportation um postfalls and again don't hold me 100% correct but I think they're they're um transportation area is only 85 miles versus our 400 miles. That's the issue. They have a little bit more flexibility when it comes to transportation. Trust me, I would
104love to shrink it down. Absolutely. Uh and I'm not putting it Well, yeah. Transportation is just just have a lot of space, a lot of miles to cover. That's our issue. If we could shrink it down, we absolutely would do it. And we're still going to try to work to see if we can, but this would be the worst case scenario that we're presenting right now when it comes to our health schedules. I guess I just don't I I still am not convinced that this is right for our district. Nothing any that's been presented has changed my mind. Um it's no secret I'm I'm against the 4day. Um >> I understand that and that and that's fine. Um I just know that again we answered to two sets of of parents you know 61% at
105this particular survey said hey look we'd like to at least give it a shot and and then read and adjust and then the other 40% too you know I understand we have to consider their their aspects which are very in line with what yours are. So, >> I think I think the people that are for it, their their reasoning for wanting it is, yeah, it'll it would be nice to have Fridays off. I think the people that have concerns, those concerns hit me a lot deeper than the it just I guess I don't understand pushing this so hard. >> It was only pushed out through me. just because I had parents approach me and say, "Look, I thought this would be a good option for us to try." Um, and they they want to be
106heard too. And so that's what we did. And then they talked about they listed honestly um you know, one of the highest performing districts or excuse me um schools is on a 40 weekend there in rap room. Um you know, and then Post Falls has had very good success with their academics. Um, you know, one of the things that they talked about was family time, uh, reset time for students and staff, uh, having the opportunity for family, uh, appointments, >> family time. If their if the parents have Fridays off, >> but if their parents don't have Fridays off, they get even less time because their kids are at school for longer, >> right? And so, >> I'm just I'm telling what I'm just reporting what they told me, okay? I'm pulling right from the data,
107okay? I'm not saying that's Rusty's opinion. That's our parents that are speaking to us. Um they talk about uh opportunity for family appointments, but more importantly, what I'm really concerned about on our side is our professional development. Um right now, we have one day dedicated to our professional development. Uh if we were to make this change, we'd have 11 days to work with our teachers and make them better uh better teachers. Um our classified staff, make sure that they're more trained. It produces a better uh result in the long run. and then the opportunity, the time to actually sit down, have a conversation about data and think outside the box. Again, this is something that I'm asking to try. It would be a pilot and by all means, a lot of people say you can't
108go back. By all means, if you guys choose to go back, uh if we didn't produce the data that we wanted out of this or the results that we wanted, it would be an easy sw not easy, but it would be a switch back that we could do. And that's why I'm calling this a pilot. >> How will this type of a schedule impact our classified staff? Because we're removing them from a full-time st. They're not on contracts like the teachers. >> Yeah, it was on their data. They were very explicit about that information and and Brooke has also obviously advocated um multiple times. Um we were very upfront with it. We're going to reduce reduce their hours, but what we're trying to do is find other ways to work them because there when it
109comes to the savings part, I don't want to get too much in that world. Uh there's too many. >> Well, actually, I think you should. >> Okay, by all means. I just know last year was presented and it wasn't formally accepted. So, let's let's go there. So, the savings comes from transportation. The saving savings comes from food service. Um those are the two big areas that we save and we're we cross our fingers hope that we um can monitors the all the uh heat and everything like that and we can also cut down a little bit on that but that's that's not a guarantee by any means. Um so that's that's what we're looking at when it comes to those savings is is um is is those key areas. When it comes to the classified
110staff, our hope is that we can, you talked about Dave talked about child care where those people could make up their hours and work uh additional time in our base programs. Uh, another thing we were hope for and Tim will tell you too is custodial staff. We can't find custodial staff. One of the major things with this cut is uh and the head custodians. We've met with them, Jake and I. We talked about deep cleaning. They're really concerned about that. Fridays would give us a great opportunity for those staff that choose that would want to work on a Friday to come in and deep clean those those facilities. Um I know our head custodians would be very thankful for the additional help. So again, they could make up those hours. We want to hold them
111as close to the hours that they they make right now as we can. Uh obviously the big thing with a lot of our classified staff is the benefits. We want to make sure um that we meet their benefit threshold. you know, 30 hours or 32 hours. Um, and then if it's or flex it and and we that might be have to be a policy change. There's some work to be done here. There definitely is, but we our sole purpose. Um, and Jessica, I can't I'm going to speak for her, but we and Brooke, we've always tal we've talked about if this is going to be something that we're going to do, this is something that we're going to make sure we do it right. We're going to make sure we take care of our classified
112because they are the glue that holds us together. and uh and I I've promised them that we're going to do our very best to absolutely hold them as close to what they make right now. >> So, do you have a plan for the classified other than hoping that they clean classrooms or hoping that they do the base program? >> So, I'm hoping it's that's the opportunities that they have when it comes to bus drivers. We're hoping that not hoping they would have the opportunity to uh be more time for them to do routes. um athlet athletic routes so they can earn some extra money in that. >> But the athletic routes aren't changing because the athletic schedule is what it is. That's not >> but they would free up their schedule in that sense and
113have the opportunity if if they had an open schedule. I don't think it would open their schedule at all because if kids are still needing to be bust home, then they're busting them home and not taking >> So, this would be a longterm plan. So, one of the things that we'd look at is, and again, this is something that can happen this year, but hopefully if it would work out, we would do a pilot program, is that where we would try to make sure that all our long trips are on Fridays and Saturdays where they could pick up extra minutes. But obviously that's a we're a year away from that, two years away that because the athletic schedule is basically already locked in at this point in time. But to again to go back to
114your question, yes, we've thought about it and there is no it's not about hope. We're going to need a base program. Uh Mr. talked about it already. He said, what are we going to do with child care? It was the number one concern from parents and we want to address that and we want to be uh we want to sign we want to get uh the data and figure out who or the kids who needs that support. What's going to be the cost generated to run base programs? Is it >> our hope is that it's um we we run it with the same principle, zero cost. Uh there there would be a charge and again Jessica can speak to that. I think it'd be $35 um for >> Well, it does cost to go into
115base. It's just it it pay supports itself. >> Supports itself. Yeah. Zero. >> So, not to say that it doesn't cost anything because it does. No, we're just not. We're not looking at a specific hit on the M budget is what we're trying to do. >> It will be self we're not going to make money from it, but we're hopefully our and again I can't 100% give it to you, but our idea is is that it would it would not impact our innov. >> What about students on IEPs that or with um special services that they are that we are required to provide if they're not in school on Fridays? How many I mean does that mean we're sending parent sending people into inh home services? >> You make a you do an addendum to
116the IEP and uh uh you would have to adjust um some um minutes when it comes to their special services. That's what it would look like. >> Y and again we've done this transition at I've done it at three different schools and we've met those IEP needs. >> There's that's where it's at. Another thing that I mention in here and I'm concerned because we talked about a vision for the future. Uh I'm definitely concerned about the state of our our state when it comes to financials. Um they've there's been multiple projections. you guys know this um numbers they've talked about and again Jess can chime in if she wants to but between 3 and 10% it could be uh for cuts um with a 4 day week again um there is some savings and our
117hope is that we could sustain what we have uh and not cut anymore uh if we would move to a 4-day week that's our hope but I can't guarantee those financial savings obviously but I think it's a very proactive way to go and again the bottom online. We won't know until we actually try. >> What is the anticipated savings on going to a 4-day school week? >> The estimation it usually is about anywhere from 1 to 2%. For most districts, you can look it up. I've done it. Plus, again, >> no, I just 1 to 2%. It that's not even >> for us. It's It's pretty significant. >> What is the dollar amount? >> Well, multiply it by $50 million. $500,000, right? That's still a lot of money. And then if they cut us the
1181 to 2% that we could that gives us we have >> Well, I guess the reason why I'm asking you're now saying it's up to $500,000. That was not what we were presented with the last time that we were given a 4day schedule. >> I'm sorry. You asked the question and I'm just >> Yeah, I did. I asked the question, what do you think we're going to save? You give me a percentage, not a dollar amount, which makes me question, have we looked at this on a dollar amount level? what we were told before was a dollar amount level and it was not um it was insignificant given everything that we're looking at. We're looking at damaging relationships. We're I mean this is how can we spin this on a positive to say yes this
119is what we want to do >> because tremendous staff um we've went through a lot of adversity. Um the data will tell you when it comes to instruction, a 4-day week. Um schools that do a 5-day week, uh when it comes to their instruction, um the commitment to kids and just the overall uh success of their district, um they do 4 day weeks just as well. And this is why the data is the way it is. K the districts that moved from a 5-day week to to a 4 day week and think that that's going to improve them. That's not the case. I'm trying to tell you that I I really feel with all my heart, knowing our our administration, knowing our teachers, knowing our board, um I think if we commit to this, we're
120going to be very good at it. And I think we're going to be very good at it because we have PD that's built in that's gonna um you know that's going to make our teachers even better than they already are and our classified staff. I feel like when it comes to retention, there's a component in there um it'll retain the teachers that we have and help us to recruit um teachers that we will need. Uh we already have a lot of teachers that are retiring uh not this year but projected to retire and this is and in talking to the pre the district post fall it was their why they were losing so many teachers they would lose about 75 teachers and now that is all I think they lost 12 teachers last year there's
121a lot of benefits in regards to happy staff you a better a better quality of teacher um they're going to do a better job there's two things you can do to really keep people where you're at. Number one, you pay them you pay them their worth if if you can do that. And number two is that you create an environment they feel relaxed and they feel supported in uh but also do the you know obviously do what they have to do when it comes to it. And our hope is with a 4-day week and all the research says it plus I've been a part of it. I've seen I've seen these changes. Uh I've seen less pressure. I've seen teachers more opportunity to plan. I've seen better PD. Um I've seen kids because they are
122resilient um that have bounced back and and or not bounced back or continued their academic growth um because they have time with their family. They they have Yeah. So I know there's one other part and I put it on there. The last thing I list was uh student attendance. It has a tendency and our attendance is really good at 95%. Um but our hope is and it's not all district cases. Uh we looked at um Bonner's uh it it has not been the product of their 4 day week. Uh but I think that again it comes down to policy and I think that comes down to um you know our procedures in regards to holding kids accountable when it comes to coming to school. Um but you know Paul Falls has has seen a 1
123to 2% so that could generate some more revenue obviously with the ADM And more importantly, what I'm trying to do is avoid cuts. I don't want cuts. I mean, that it's we all you guys went through that last year. I' I've seen the emotional stress it's put on our staff. Um, and if this gives even just a little less wiggle room, and I can't guarantee it 100% until we give it a shot. Uh, I think that's the vision that you want me to have, that you want our our principles, our directors to have. We're trying to be proactive. We're not sitting around and just 20 art founds and waiting for um things to hit us in the face. Unless I have any more questions, I'll just leave it at this. I understand you have concerns,
124but I guess what I'm asking for is is um if you have ideas what would uh change your mind, uh we're listening. um we want to we want to create the best option for our students and I really would I would really appreciate the board's um input on this. Just know we've done a lot of work and I understand this is a big decision and a lot of people are going to come to you guys and ask questions. Um and hopefully I've provided you with a lot of answers. I don't have any more at this time. >> Do we need to have any further discussion? No. >> Thank you board for listening. I truly appreciate it. >> All right. The final action for the final item for discussion with potential action is um I would
125like to have the clerk attend the district leadership team meetings um to allow her to have a better um perspective pulse on the district as a whole. Um I do think if it is district leadership, she is a leader. I the clerk has always should be considered part of the leadership. >> Um and so I had wanted to ask her to do that, but I felt it would be better as a board directive, not a me directive. Well, it would give her the opportunity to kind of build those relationships with those people that she's going to be asking for information >> from and for our for our meetings. So, >> right. So, I don't know if um we want to uh make a motion. Um I did mention it to uh Mr. Taylor and he
126didn't have a problem with the clerk attending. So, um I would if we just take action on it, then it's kind of formalized. And >> so, I move that we would um assign the clerk's duties to include attending district leadership meetings. >> Second. >> We have a motion and a second. All in favor say I. >> I. >> Any opposed? Hearing? None. That motion carries. We do have dates to remember. Executive session, long range planning, um policy committee is not going to be on the 16th cuz we did just schedule a student hearing and the regular board meeting on the 18th. Are there any other items uh to be put for future agenda items? That was like said all wrong, but >> y'all get what I'm saying. Anything? No. >> Okay. So, on that note,
127I do need a motion to enter into executive session pursuant to Idaho Code 74206. So, >> move second. >> We have a motion, a second. We do need a roll call vote. >> Trusty B. >> Yes. >> Trusty Brock. Trusty Thompson. >> Yes. >> Trusty Quimby. >> Yes. >> Okay. So, on that note, we are in executive session. We can take a fivem minute recess and then get to it. Okay, >> I have to open the door. >> Yeah, >> I got the other one. Oh, there's all those people standing with their written comm. We've actually had that happen before, just so you know. It's usually when we do this at 600. Are we recording? >> Oh, goody. All right. So, we're coming out of executive session. Um, there is no action to be taken.
128It is 10:54 and meetings adjourned. I got to bang the