001Okay. And we're moving. >> Okay. So, we will go ahead and call tonight's meeting to order. It is 6:01. Uh, welcome everyone. Please rise for the pledge of allegiance. >> I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. I do need a motion to approve tonight's agenda. >> So move. >> Second. >> We have a motion and a second. All in favor say I. >> I. Any opposed? Hearing none. The motion carries. Um we've been asked to go out of sequence. So I would like to move to an action item, the parking lot ceiling and striping contract. >> Good evening. Tim Heg, facilities director. Uh, so we had in a a
002budget item that was from the plant facilities fund that was approved by the board last year for $150,000 to do some asphalt repairs, seal coating, striking, things of that nature. Parking lot maintenance. Um, on that original budget was just budget numbers that were put to five different schools. I've had Seal Coat, Stripers, and some asphalt guys go out and bid projects to see if we can hit every single parking lot in the district. I can get every parking lot seal coated, striped, and some of the major asphalt repairs done for 125 or less. >> Okay. >> So, what we're asking for, one is we already had the budget that was approved. Two would be that we have to get approval for these contracts that were in the uh hand update were given and three is
003that change of scope from the four to five schools to all of them. >> Okay. >> With the exception of Lakeland Middle School front area which will be addressed next summer. >> Okay. >> Um with respect to the schools, I know uh Spirit Lake parking lot is atrocious. >> Very much so. >> Um how much money are we putting into bandaid it. >> So, right now it'll be crack sealing repairs where it's extremely alligatored. >> Okay. >> Where you've got that uh degrading of the asphalt itself, >> right? >> Um part of the concrete contract is repairing and saw cutting the lines into the concrete. >> Okay. So when we when we crack seal and seal coat, we're going to prolong the life of that asphalt for another couple years. It is not a fix.
004You're right. It is absolutely a mandate, but this will give me time to prioritize a parking lot. Okay. >> At a time. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Sport have any discussion they'd like to have on this? Good. Right. So, we would need a motion on the contracts that have been provided along with changing the scope of sequence for this project. Move to approve it. >> Second. >> We have a motion and a second. All in favor say I. >> I. Any opposed? Hearing? None. The motion carries. Thank you. >> Thank you very much. >> You're welcome. >> Thank you. >> Okay. [laughter] >> All right. Moving on to uh discussion items. All right. So, the reason [sighs] this meeting was called uh was because it was brought to my attention that the LEA has
005uh stated the board is um out of line uh from the June 11th meeting where we [snorts] approved the certified salary schedule that was provided to us. However, we did not approve the negotiated agreement. Um, it's my understanding that Rusty and Jessica and Brooke have had conversations with legal counsel. I myself have also had discussions with legal counsel. Um and I'm very very very disappointed that um our uh LEA has chosen to uh move forward in this capacity. Um as I mentioned to Rusty, the LEA president should have come back to the board and did not. instead went to the superintendent. Um I would like to stand behind or beside the board uh in the fact that um the way things have been handled I do believe we're absolutely in good faith. It was very
006disappointing that when um I asked about the things that this board specifically asked about to be addressed in the IBB um I was told by the LEA president that you know we'll get to it next year. We just we couldn't do that this year when the board gave directive. Um and for the record, I would like to point out that um the board uh had the expectation of the superintendent uh being its representative at the IBB meetings. However, the superintendent was not at the meetings. She was at one according to the agenda, but she was not at the one that lasted roughly uh two hours um to which all the everything was allegedly resolved. Um so given the fact that this board gave specific directives that were not followed um they were not negotiated on.
007I don't know how the LEA could um assert that this board is acting in bad faith but that's what I'm understanding to be a crux. the legal counsel that I received. >> Can I can I'm sorry. Can I for a minute because I don't even know how we got here. I am completely lost. Like what? I don't what is not in good faith. Like I don't understand any of this. I was scrambling today trying to find I went back and watched the IBB meetings which actually the second one isn't even a full meeting. It cut off and there's no nothing else uploaded and no notes. I couldn't find any of the IBB stuff. I can't I went back and watched the June 11th meeting all the way through again. I took notes on that. So,
008I'm just I I don't understand what is out of I don't understand what the good faith is. I don't understand how we got here. What's the problem from June 11th till now? I thought at the June 11th we were all fine. We okayed the money and all that and then we were going to uh you know fixed the language which everybody agreed to. Um well everybody agreed that well I shouldn't say everybody agreed the board directed the language to be fixed in the negotiated agreement for several years and for several years it has been overlooked, ignored, excluded, not anybody's priority. Um we held a workshop we tried to have discussion the LEA was present at our workshop and um I remember uh came heavily into discussion with you over various things. I don't feel that
009our workshop was allowed to be as productive as it could have been but it was what it was. Um, so that being said, um, >> but if we don't, I still don't understand what the what is the problem. >> Well, that didn't come to the board. >> Yeah, I know. >> It may have come to you. It may have gone to the separate. >> It didn't come to me. >> We >> I never saw the negotiated agreement. >> Like with Randy saying the board is completely >> Exactly. I >> I don't know. All I know is I got an agenda, no documentation. Chairman Thompson, may may I do the best I can with this because remember I was on the outside end on it. So, how did we get here? First of all, I I
010need to tell you, Mr. Ranberry, he did not reach out to me. I reached out to him. I asked to meet with him and speak to him after our our meeting where we reworked the information. Um, [clears throat] Mr. Bradberry contacted his representative as he should. Um uh the representative made very clear through their legal counsel that um that it was in violation of contract law that um that we were doing with the board because we were peacemailing the negotiated agreement. Meaning that >> I'm just I'm tell I'm not here I'm not arguing. I'm just trying to tell you that that you said how do we >> Well, that's the problem is that the here's the thing is what what happened is somebody spoke for the board >> on board business and the board was
011left clueless and all the years I've been here the salary schedule has always been one piece and the negotiated agreement has been another piece. We approved all the money. There's no change in the money. Right. It was my understanding we were just taking out whatever the, you know, changing some of the language, cleaning it up, making it look more um in line with what's out there in the industry. Y >> and uh I think taking out the making the um like all the stipens and all of that because the the bottom line is is the law doesn't apply. We can't pay that with tax dollars unless it's through the levy money, right? So, and it's my understanding too that don't the coaches get their own uh isn't that a supplemental um contract to their actual
012teaching? So, it is. >> So, it's it's >> okay. Even if we did that, nothing has changed. The money hasn't changed. Nothing's been renegotiated. What in listening to the meeting, there was I mean, even the LEA president said over and over and over, "Yeah, we need to change it." Yeah, everybody knows it. Yeah. But so we agreed to change it. That was and the board never approved the agreement because we didn't change the l, you know, move that piece out. >> If you just give me a little bit more. Um, so we we did uh obviously they went to their legal counsel. We went to our legal counsel. I sent you their um their information. Um and uh basically in that there was his wording was that if basically the IBB is the negotiating team
013for the board and it's for the also the the LEA and the idea behind that is so we can meet uh work out the details and because we have board members on that team that they would present the uh negotiate agreement to the board understand that the board had input on that particular doc. I'm just trying to tell you if you include if you include your board members that's how it's seen you the board I'm speaking the board that's your negotiating team in the sense of that now the superintendent >> I need to interrupt you for a moment because according to legal counsel the board is supposed to decide determine pick choose whatever word you want to use who is going to sit at that table to my knowledge three people were >> two board
014members were supposed to be there. Unfortunately, it was only one at the alleged meeting that had everything accomplished in less than two hours. >> And the superintendent, who didn't even bother to attend the second meeting, did not even inform the board that she would not be there. So, I just get very um frustrated with this ongoing attack against the board that the board is doing all of this wrong when the board is doing what it is doing based on guidance from the superintendent who dropped the ball and didn't follow through. And it is unfortunate, but we never saw this board never saw the negotiated agreement that was going to go to the teachers until it was ratified. This board has asked for that procedure to change, >> but it has never been changed because while
015the district office may sit in IBB, that's not been a directive from this board that that's what it's going to be. The board has been told that will be how it will be, but that's not been the board's directive. Okay. Um, we've asked to see it. We never get it until it's been ratified with the expectation to say yes. And my frustration when it was brought to us is specific things that this board said, "Hey, this needs to be addressed were not addressed." And it was agreed. Yeah. Yeah. We didn't get to it. You will get to it next year. And I stated to you this is an ongoing response every year. >> Chairman Thompson, I I cannot take back the things that have happened in the past. Alls I can tell the board is
016you've made very clear the expectations moving forward if we if you choose to as the board to accept the negotiated agreement. Um my recommendation through council 2 is that we would create the procedures in regards to what that I our negotiating team would look like. Um the board would set those expectations once uh my theory and again this is not theory but plan is that uh we would have some meet and confirm meetings over the course of the the year with uh you know with the LEA and and your representative which is me and whoever else we decide to be a part of. >> But it's not you that's not in the law. >> Well, hang on a second. >> And the thing is whatever we got back I'm sorry. I'm not going to interrupt
017you >> because here's the thing. the premise on what you're making all of your decisions on is is is wrong [clears throat] information. This board never approved and I'm sorry to put you in the middle of this. This board never approved the negotiated agreement. >> So is the LEA maybe the LEA president needs to come up and and talk because what are they wanting us to do to just throw it all away and start from scratch? >> As I I was almost there. So the idea is that through the meet and confer then we would be more prepared for IBB. The the other change in the procedure would the board instead of going to the teachers first it would come to you first and that would be the major change. So and you're absolutely right.
018It should and legal counsel I sent you that they said that was wrong. It should have went to the board first and let you guys see it first. You're absolutely right. But the council was also led to believe that this board approved that negotiated agreement and we did. >> I I can't speak on that. I can only talk about the future. >> Right. I and I understand. But the what I'm saying is the premise that council gave this type of instruction is based on not fact. The board never approved the agreement. So I I still don't understand what went wrong. What I mean when you guys had the meeting note were money numbers changed was I mean what is the >> I didn't go to the meeting I wasn't part of I mean >> it
019wasn't me >> no I mean >> I went to one meeting and then I missed the next one which was my fault >> one board member there >> and then the superintendent wasn't there >> but what about the meeting after I mean this all came about we had our meeting June 11th and I thought everything was >> so did Right. I don't understand. >> Part of the problem, part of what went wrong is when we took the salary schedule out apparently of the negotiated agreement, which it was its own item on the agenda. I would like to point that out. It wasn't. I know. >> Um, so when we voted on the salary schedule and did not vote to approve the negotiated agreement, we should have I should have clarified. I'll own it. I not
020a worry there. Clarified that by approving the salary certified salary schedule and accepting the benefits package that is contemplated in the negotiated agreement. We are now counter offering to the LEA. Those words were not used. So [clears throat] nobody knew that that was a counter offer. By all intents purposes, it should have been um that should have been a given, but it wasn't. Um which is fine because we need to be crystal clear here. Um, we approved the certified salary schedule to uh allow our HR director to do her portion and meet uh deadlines because she had to have everything out and returned by July 1. >> Yeah. >> Um, however, in the future, we don't have to beat to that drum. Uh if we would have just said, "Nope, we're not going to approve
021this schedule until we have a negotiated agreement," we could have done that, but we didn't. We were trying to help our district to maintain um its functionality without being too disruptive to the teachers that are wanting to come back. So, we moved forward that way. Um, it was apparently out of line with the law because the certified salary schedule should never come outside of the negotiated agreement, >> but it always has. >> I know it always has, but we are now to the point where >> So, we're back to square one. So, let's So, we don't approve nothing. We get back and we're back to square one and I guess we just redo everybody's contract because that's obviously what the LEA would Can you come up here and tell us your you brought us here?
022>> You brought us here. I suggest that since you guys got legal counsel, we're going to get our legal counsel and they're going to sit in on media. >> I mean, I don't I still don't understand any of that. >> I mean, because there's been unethical behavior through union members, very unethical, poor leadership, and all kinds of stuff. >> Have to be specific. >> I'm not going to be specific. >> Then then I I appreciate throwing out. >> No, I'm not saying anything. I'm not saying anybody's name. There's been unethical stuff in this school district that's been going on and I think the public needs to know about it. >> I just thought that we after the I don't understand what changed from the June 11th meeting till now. I'm and I'm on I'm clearly
023we didn't change any money. Nobody's not getting less money, more money. I mean, we're not I don't understand what the problem is. >> The problem was is you cannot separate the two. No, I want to hear I'm just trying to tell you legal counsel has informed us and I sent you the legal counsel. I'm just trying to tell you that's what got us to this meeting and I shared it with chairman. >> There was no problem at the June 11th meeting. Somebody had [clears throat] a problem with it in the meantime. >> I and I've been accused of already accusing the board of of of violation. I accused ourselves of the same violation with uh our superintendent because I didn't know that either. After our meeting on Thursday with the superintendent and the district office
024team, I notified my IEA director, which I'm supposed to do because it's negotiations. Um, I have a chain of command as well. So, I had a couple of questions for her and told her that obviously I was under the inclination after June 11th, everything was great, just like you predicted or you suggested. I thought there was going to be clerical stuff done to the negotiated agreement. verbiage, stuff like that. When I showed up on Thursday, content and meat of the negotiated agreement had been changed. >> Okay. I haven't seen any of that. So, I don't have >> You haven't seen any of that? >> No, >> she wasn't here for that meeting. >> And I have and I asked for it because I've been sick. I'm sick of the dog today, but I just took
025more medicine because I truly am lost. I had no idea how we got here. >> Yes. I I Hang on. I presented him what? Uh from our work session. >> I know, but I haven't seen that. So I don't have the same information everybody else does to make a decision. >> So that's what happened. So your board got together apparently in executive session came out with a brand new proposal and how they wanted the negotiated agreement to look like, which in a sense is what we came up with on June 11th. But it was not just verbiage and context. They had taken out things of our negotiated agreement. They added things to our negotiating agreement which all included money. When it becomes money, I don't know. I didn't know the next step because I left
026the meeting. >> Rusty and I were like, "What's the next step?" And I'm like, "Well, I'm going to have to get a hold of my team because I honestly don't know. I've never been in this situation before." >> I was fine with you guys. I was I was fine with you guys wanting to change context. I love the beginning where you have your definitions and all of that. I love it. I wanted to make sure that because we were doing content that threw me for a loop because nowhere in that June 11 meeting did we say that we were going to change. >> So what dollar thing changed? Can you tell me that? What what >> in IBB? [clears throat] We were presented a an extracurricular salt extracurricular salary proposal. >> The whole the whole
027IBB team voted that down. We gave reference to that in the June 11th meeting as to why we voted that down. >> Wait a minute. Hold on. You said the whole IBB team. So >> the IBB team. Yes. >> Every single person, even the person that presented it, >> voted it down. >> That was there. Yes. Okay. Good to know. >> Yes. >> We did it because of financial reasons. We did it because at that time, I believe CFO Grant Grantham, if I'm remembering correctly, said that it was going to cost the district over $35,000. There was going to be some additional >> There was an additional percent sorry >> additional percentages added to the top tier coaches. It was going to go from 15.5 to 16.5%. >> Um other coaches were going to be
028the same and some coaches were going to take cuts in pay. >> Okay. >> We all agreed as an IBB team that it wasn't the right time. We didn't say that it was a horrible proposal. We said we just didn't have any facts. We we had a bunch of questions in that IBB meeting that were unanswered. Nobody could answer those questions and we just didn't feel comfortable moving forward with that. So the whole team voted to not take that through. >> Yeah. It was it was an extremely quick >> Yes. >> I mean it was basically one meeting because the first meeting basically after watching it and the second meeting's cut off. So really that meeting is >> Yeah. Do we know cut off by the way? >> I have no idea. It just stopped.
029It literally just stopped. >> Yeah. >> Um >> it cuts off at about 45 minutes and I believe our session was an hour and a half. >> Yeah. So really that meeting if we're going to get technical on this needs to be redone because it's didn't happen, right? >> So anyway, so >> so in the meeting then, so you guys all agreed no more of the coach thing. So how from what you guys agreed on the agreement to what was done with the with the negotiated agreement afterwards, you know, what happened? So nothing changed to the negotiated agreement. No, the the agreement was the same. That's why that's why when when we went to our members, I didn't give them a physical copy of the negotiated agreement. All I did is told them in our
030general meeting that the negotiated agreement, everything's the same. I let them know that the board is going to work on verbiage and contextual stuff, clerical issues, >> and we would come back and get that. And I told them then that I agreed. >> Okay. The only thing we had to vote on was the salary schedule and the benefits. So that was it. But when I showed up on last Thursday, >> lots of things in the negotiated agreement other than >> And in all fairness, I would like to point out that the board did not review that. That >> did not review what >> the what you see. We didn't see it. >> We didn't see it. >> See what the final >> the negotiated >> what was presented to you. We didn't see. >> We
031haven't seen it. I still haven't seen it. We had a an executive session meeting where we talked about things and then it was compiled by staff and brought to you. >> You're talking the one I saw on Thursday. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> We haven't seen it. >> So, let me hang on. I want to speak. >> Okay, let me So remember that that we did sit there and type all that up and so you didn't see the final product and I and I apologize to you guys and I wrote you guys. I thought the directive was and I checked with our administration staff was to move forward because we knew that we were under time constraint. So I just presented exactly what we wrote up guys. That's it. I didn't nothing changed. So everything that
032we changed >> Well, that's not true, Rusty, because in that meeting we were told that at IBB there were apparently two or three sal cuz one of the big cruxes for this board was to fix the coach's salary matrix because we are so out of line. I mean >> that's we are >> debatable >> out of line. Okay, you can say it's debatable, but when we feel that we are completely out of line and that's validated by other districts, then we can only operate off of that. So, we were told that three formulas cuz you want to know what my idea was, which I'm sure nobody's going to like this. We asked the voters for $2 million. My idea was give it to the ads and let them do their thing so that coaches are
033paid what they should be paid so that the programs can run effectively with the money that we asked the voters for. Okay, I was shot down on that. Okay, whatever. But supposedly three schedules were created. I had asked to see the three schedules >> that was supposed to be brought to us at our next meeting >> and we've never seen them. I have not seen three proposals for a new salary or coach's salary schedule. I believe I talked with previous administration. I was shown two I was shown five other schools that have the same. We have 117 public schools in this district public school districts. Five out of 117. I'm sure I could find five to go get. >> That's great. You thought we didn't. >> Well, but but that's what I'm saying. So So
034there's therein in lies the problem. I I don't I just don't like being attacked saying this is a union because this is not this was not a I want to make sure our district like I always do this is my goal for the district since I've been here 29 years is to make sure our district is the best it can be and I try to do that I do that personally myself as a teacher I do that here working with everybody that is my goal and the minute when I talked to my IEA director and I told her what had happened based on the meeting and and and how things had changed. She was the one that says, "You guys, you guys did it wrong." She included me in that as well. I never accused
035you. >> I think the board how it was brought to me. >> We collectively did it incorrectly. >> You were not part of that. It that was not how it was brought to me. And that I believe is why uh the district office jumped on board and called attorneys. And then I uh when I got emails with attorney comments, I called legal counsel um because in my opinion, this board did not and has not ever acted in bad faith. >> Nobody accuses me of that. >> That's not according to the emails. So because of that, I'm gonna protect my my board members >> 100% but you're attacking me and and >> because what came to me was this is from the LEA president. So >> it is >> based on that and the accusations that
036we are acting in bad faith. >> I'm sorry Jason to think that we're going to be sued over this. Who said anything about a lawsuit? >> According to the emails, so >> I don't know what emails you're getting. >> Well, I'm just letting >> I would like to see those emails. >> Otherwise, they shouldn't have they shouldn't be talked about or discussed because if if I don't get >> advice, the whole thing should have never went anywhere but to this board when you had a problem. You should have came directly to the board. >> I can't No, I have a chain of command. I I >> No, the law is very clear. The negotiation is between the board and the LEA rep. represent. There's a key phrase in there. It says or representative and you
037had two on there. >> It doesn't say that in the law. It says the board of trustees. That doesn't mean one or two. That means the whole board. That's how I read it. >> The the problem is is that constantly people are having all of these back conversations and then the board as everybody's seen in this instance is completely we had no idea. Nobody. It wasn't our discussion. It wasn't our thing. It wasn't anything, you know. But yet we also like you're feeling attacked. The whole problem is is we have to quit this. When it's the board's business, it's the board's business. It's not admins. It's not the superintendent. It belongs to the board. And I think that's part of the problem. Had the board been aware initially, we could have probably circumvented a lot
038of this because I don't think I don't believe there was any ill intent with anything. Like that's why I went back and listened to the meeting because I'm like what the heck happened? I'm so shocked that we're getting sued and all these attorneys are involved and there's all these email. I was just like what the world is going on >> and I couldn't figure it out. So I guess you know whatever happened we're here. We approved the salary schedule. Nobody has a problem with the salary schedule. Nobody had a problem with any of the money thing at all. So >> and none of the benefits. So we did but you did have >> forward >> you did have a pro problem with the money issue because >> we had an issue with the coaching I
039didn't see it you know maybe that's what you got I don't know what happened I I mean that's why I asked earlier did we change any money thing the only thing that we discussed when we met was there were clerical changes we did not change anything with respect to benefits that I recall >> and then We pulled the sick bank language out of the negotiated agreement and made it policy so that it would be reviewed annually and it would fall in line with the expectations of the sick bank and then go ahead. >> No, let me finish. I like I go finish what you >> and then because for three plus years at least this board has asked to address the coaching salaries or the not it's not it's extracurricular and co-curricular activity schedules because
040it covers not just certified staff it covers uh >> street coaches classified staff etc. >> Y agreed. So, >> and it covers more than sports. We tend to have sports focus, but it's everybody >> co-curricular, right? And so, we asked for that in that meeting to come out of the negotiated agreement, become its own agreement that would need approval. So that you've got two separate juggling contracts, so to speak, or agreements, not contracts, but agreements where the negotiated agreement is specific to certified staff only. And then you've got the co-curricular extracurricular agreement that deals with anybody that's doing something outside of their regular duties, >> which is in line with the way we issue contracts. He cleans it up, >> but not knowing how it was presented to you because we didn't see the final
041product after our conversations together, you know, don't know. >> Yeah, that that's exactly how it was presented to us. But again, that's a content change in the negotiated agreement, which puts puts us in violation because now that you're taking something out of the negotiated agreement that has previously been in there as content, as rule, so to speak, then that changes content and that puts us in violation. We can't do that. >> But we didn't. >> So, we haven't approved it as a board. >> But in a public hearing, >> I I know that, but the [clears throat] salary schedule is in the negotiated agreement. And when when you go to approve, what I have been told is that when you go to approve, you approve everything. It's it's all or nothing. Just like >> that's
042fine with their explanation, but never has this board approved the salary schedule as a piece of the negotiated agreement. It's always come as two separate agenda items every time. >> Well, it's because they are because I think it's been presented that way because they're two huge animals. One is what you negotiate raises, things like that. It's it's a whole conundrum. the negotiated agreement, then it should not be separated. It should be together. That's the point. That's exactly right. >> But it never So, here's the thing. The board. So, that's why I'm saying the only way to fix it then is to undo resend everything we did and stick. If you're saying salary schedules are part of the negotiated agreement and we did not approve the negotiated agreement, that means we don't have a salary schedule
043either. If they honestly go together and we we voted down, we said, "No, we're going to go we're going to have executive session. We're going to fix all this and then we're going to bring it back. We were trying to, you know, like you said, keep everything rolling, just fix the language, but it sounds like we can't do that. >> And I was 100% on board with that right now. I I agree. >> That's why I was I was confused as to what happened because >> yeah, >> I thought I totally missed something. So that's where we're stuck. >> What put us at Ramona, what really put us in violation was the the taking out of >> Right. So we don't have an agreement. Last year's agreement is actually in effect, >> right? It is
044not. >> It expired. It expired. >> It expired at the end of the year and so we do not have an agreement. What we do have is signed contract. >> Okay. I'll say this like everything else in education in this state customary. Every other district that can't come to an agreement issues and is working on the premise that the prior year is what they're under. That's how the contracts are issued. So, >> we I mean I'm trying to make it easier, but it seems like there's this push and pull that you're going to do. The bottom line is the board said no, we don't agree. So, that's where we're at. We don't have a negotiated agreement, which means we don't have salary schedule, >> right? And according to uh legal counsel, we now have the
045opportunity if we should take it to ratify what was presented and accept it and just go on about our business. We can go back to the drawing board if we would like to reopen negotiated uh IBB and go back to the drawing board. We could also present a counter offer and see if they'll accept it which well we haven't we have nothing to go we can't make a decision we have nothing okay our agenda looks just like that [clears throat] so I have we have no information to make a decision on anything you can see the only attachment we had were those contracts So, I don't know what we would be voting on. >> Were you presented with the the negotiated agreement? >> No, it wasn't attached to the agenda. >> Wait, hang on. I'm
046I'm just asking and I'm just clarifying. >> So, you were presented with the agreement obviously because you you voted against it. Is that correct? >> At the June 11th meeting. Yes. I would tell you that's the agreement that that you guys >> It's not on the agenda. There's nothing on the agenda. We cannot do anything outside of here. There's nothing there. It's a It's a discussion item. That's it. >> It's a discussion item and an action item. >> Right there's Ramona. I think the reason it's not there is because nothing has changed in that negotiating agreement except the salary schedule. So, all you have to do is look on the district website. It's 2425. >> Well, the board already voted against that. So, we're at the same spot. >> Yeah. But based on clerical. So,
047it was my understanding in the June 11th, and please tell me if I'm wrong, but it was my understanding that >> you guys were going to make just clerical changes. You weren't going to change. >> Well, there was going to be a separate No, not change content, but there was going to be a separation to more align with what we're actually doing, you know? >> Right. And and and I and we agree with that wholeheartedly, and that's why we moved forward. We didn't have the problem. I didn't know that you couldn't do it that way. What I would suggest, I believe I staged this on June 11th. I would suggest that you vote in the negotiating. >> We already did that. We voted against it. We said no. So, as it stands now, we have
048no agreement, >> right? >> That's where we're at. >> And we have nothing tonight to see whatever these changes were, whatever you I would like to see what you saw >> to tell you the truth. >> So, I know what I mean. So that would that would have been my recommendation is because then we can get get these system. We have a perfect opportunity here. We have we have this issue that we're dealing with that both of us were wrong in how we did it. We didn't know. Now we know >> we have a new superintendent, assistant superintendent. We can put things in place and get it all nailed in the way you got. We have the whole year to do that. >> I would suggest because of lack of we've already signed contracts. I
049don't know what that looks like. How do you go back on a contract that's not that again that's a legal thing that I have no clue? How do you even answer? And I don't even come close to being a lawyer, but I know that could be a it seems to me it would be a problem. I would suggest voting to approve. >> Well, the contracts are no good, Jason. That's the thing. They're no good now, >> right? They they're no good because there is no agreement. They would have been they should have been issued in last year's. Again, I don't know the legal terms and and I don't want to speak. I don't want to misspeak. So, I I I don't feel I should even answer because I don't know what I feel. >> But
050>> I mean, I don't it's not a matter of feelings. I have no information other than what we had June 11th and my vote still stands the same. So, I don't know how we go forward. [clears throat] Does anybody else have any suggestion? Well, again, uh what I was uh informed of from legal counsel was we have two options. We can ratify what was presented to us back at June 11th and just accept it and move on or we can say we're not going to accept it and we can go back and open IBV and go back to the drawing board um so that we can get what we want. Now, respectfully, I know the only content change that occurred was just clerical. However, we did agree that we should probably pull the sick bank
051out, make it policy, not part of the negotiated agreement because it does affect there's there's two sick banks. There's I mean there's there's a lot involved. And then um we saw an opportunity to address the coaching salaries or the extracurricular and co-curricular stipen salaries. >> Um again, we didn't pick anything. We weren't shown anything. Um, so I have no idea what was presented, but um, we could we can do that. If we choose to go back to the drawing board, we would then need to reissue contracts under last year's rate of pay until the negotiated agreement is accepted and ratified. Um so that is advice of counsel. Um, well, we're going to be back at the same spot because it sounds like there's an issue with the uh stipen pay being removed, you know, living
052in its own document. Is that correct? But how can that Can can you stand back up there for a second? Sorry, Jason. Just so it's It's hard to >> we can't really see people anyways when you watch. We only see part of you. But um >> here so that you the the LEA not you but the LEA wants all stipen money also part of the negotiated agreement. >> Uh >> even though the state provides none of those funds and unless we have a levy none of those funds exist to pay that. >> Yeah. for especially for our for our certified anything that deals with dollar amount to certified we would like it in the negotiated agreement. >> Yeah, even though we so Yeah, that's just not fair. Yeah, it is it's it's it's an animal.
053But I mean, you can you can include the other, but there were other things that were that were dealt with in the in the new proposal was um there was there was something on the dual credit. Um they had taken out numbers of the percentage and I get why they did that, but >> that is right. We did do that. But again, there was no again that should be an IBB thing that we talk about that or negotiation process that you >> and I do recall that that was one of the items that was a crux for this board and they we said that needs to be addressed. Yeah, >> nothing was addressed except we got a new salary schedule that um >> Yeah, and I agree and that's why I say right now we're
054in a perfect spot because with the new superintendent, we can make sure that we we get those systems in place that if you want something addressed, you just tell him and he makes sure it's addressed. >> Well, no, the board needs to address its own business. >> That's how we got here. That's how we got here was the superintendent and everybody else circumventing and then bringing to the board what they thought it should be. No, that's the problem, Jason. That's how we got here. >> So, basically, we're in the middle of negotiation then. And you guys are saying what we proposed you won't ratify basically is where we're at. >> I can't speak for the the team. I I don't >> Well, then what's the problem? How do you know they won't accept what we
055whatever the board gave you? >> Because it's just like you guys. I can't I can't go out in the lobby. We need to get together as a team. It needs to present it to the team. We need to discuss it as a team. We have a whole process that we go through. Stand >> I understand that. But you're So how did we get here? If you haven't even presented what you were given to the team, how do you know it's not >> because the reason we're here right now is because that content was removed of the previous Your team meeting decided that. So their team has seen the contract. >> Well, then who made the decision? If the team hasn't seen it, >> made what decision >> to not accept it? >> The whole team
056in IBV in our last IBV session when Jessica presented it, I believe. >> No, no. This this change here you said, has it been presented to the team? No, it has not. Okay. And they the team has to make the decision. And I said, >> well, how did we get here? If the team, you said because the content was pulled out. Well, who >> made the decision that that content change warranted this if it wasn't the team? So, you're telling me that there is certain information that you can approve and there's certain information you cannot Well, then how did it get approved to bring us here if the team hasn't seen? is when I when I shared with my my IEA director the process in which things were happening of content now being removed and
057everything. She didn't know the answer. >> But you don't even know if your team would have been fine to say okay cuz like if it was the same thing that went from one to two and then we could have had a full negotiated agreement realizing uh oh we screwed up don't do this in the future. I think where the confusion lies, Ramona, is the the new coaching proposal, not this new one on Thursday, but one very similar to it. It had raises, it had the top tier coaches, Dave, tell me if I'm wrong, but I believe it had top tier coaches making 16.5%. >> And everybody else making >> and then everybody else making 15.5 and 14 or something if I remember it right. >> Well, unfortunately, again, the board has not seen. >> Well,
058this is I'm I'm [laughter] not I'm talking the old proposal. The old proposal in IBB was voted down. >> Right? So we had already discussed that and for the reasons why. >> Right. >> The new proposal, nobody has seen the new proposal because it just happened this last Thursday. >> Right. And we can present it because as council said it >> it's a ne the negotiated agreement that we originally that was originally presented to the board is either you accept it all or you accept none. That's that's where we got here is simply when we pulled it out, which I I commend the board for trying to help out our contracts and get those out to our teachers and so much. We really appreciate it, but that was that's how we got here. The moment
059that we separated the two is and I I get it if that's what's done in the past, but that was a violation in the past. So, and that's the past. So, moving forward, I'm trying to tell you that we will work together. We'll have a work session. we will set our procedures and if you guys want to you want to be the negotiating entity that's fine but I I really feel like IBV works as long as we set up the the criteria the way you want and and and we set we select the members that that you want uh at least for representing the district and we move forward from there and we negotiate and I guarantee you I will follow through with what you guys >> we're in the middle of negotiation that's everybody
060doesn't seem to and that's the thing >> technically we're not I mean I just I'm I'm going to be very honest with you. We are not. The negotiation was done through because that's what the board decided to do before I got here before we ever decided to do. >> You're mistaken. The board the board voted no. We don't like your agreement. We're going to ratify it. >> When you >> Everybody said, "Okay, well that's fine. So take the salary schedule, too." That's what I'm saying. We're still in negotiation. Whatever Jason got back, which I haven't seen. doesn't sound like Ry's seen or anybody's seen that is that was the other thing given to say okay here's a change and now they're saying nope we don't like that change so we're still stuck in the same
061premise >> council said that they couldn't even discuss it because again it's a violation you you have a negotiating entity that you the board has delegated that power to they >> that is true we we approved and agreed to negotiate right >> with the LEA We we not >> I think that's what Rusty's referring to. >> I'm not questioning that whatsoever. I understand how all that works. >> That's the negotiation part. That's it, you know, and that's why we can't go. We're not negotiating right now. It was negotiated and and and and moving forward. I'm just trying to tell you that I think the issue and the problem is number one is the procedures. Uh and then >> Okay. Well, what does the board want to do? >> Well, I mean, we already said no
062to the agreement. >> Yeah. So, >> sounds like everything needs to go back to where it was until we figure it out. >> I would tell you that and again, council has advised against that. Um, they, you know, the recommendation from me and from council is that we go ahead and approve and then make changes to the procedures. >> But you told council we had approved the agreement and we did not approve the >> I did not tell them we approved the schedule. We approved the schedule, which is what you >> all of those emails were on the premise that the board, the attorney said, how can the board approve their IBB or approve their negotiated agreement and then go back on it. >> That is what he said. Yeah, it's in the email. >>
063You know, it's it's I I have the email, too. It was about the split of the schedule and the negotiated agreement. The two are married, >> which it wasn't a split. The seller schedule was its own item on the agenda, >> right? So that >> says you have to do both. That's >> I understand that. >> And and if I remember right, the reason why it was its own item on the agenda was because we needed to make sure Brooke, tell me if I'm wrong, but Brooke was concerned about we're getting contracts out and so there needed to be special discussion about it. That's why it was a separate item where >> director of HR, it's always been a separate item on the agenda. >> Correct. outside of the negot. >> Yeah. And I'm not
064questioning that at all. I'm not >> Well, you should be questioning it because it should not be occurring that way. >> That is not something this board has ever um been counseledled on because it has been something that I know for the last 6 years has it's always been that way. But again, moving forward, I think the idea is that it will go to the board before it ever the LEA is ever seen and that will take care of 95% of this period because you guys get to see it first and not last. And that was recommendation from council. So that's the >> irony that has been the recommendation of this board for years. Great. So >> and and I'm sorry. >> I'm glad a lawyer finally decided that yes, the board should probably ologize
065that teachers ratify >> that administration did not follow but I will follow the board's uh direction. So, if we should choose to go back to the drawing board, um there is one piece of the negotiated agreement that I would encourage this board not to consider due to the fact that we have already approved it and that is the summer schedule. Um, if we were to go back into negotiations and then reopen the salary schedule and revamp it again, um, that would could has significant potential to land us into a lot of legal battles. >> I don't think anybody here wants to do that. I don't think anybody here wants to delay teachers pay, delay anything. The bottom line is had it not had anything to do with sports, we wouldn't be here. >> And that's
066all it is. Nobody gives a darn about the teachers and them getting paid or we would have done what we agreed to on June 11th. But because whatever that was that got pulled out and changed supposedly, that's what got us here. So, I don't think anybody wants to change the teacher stuff, you know? >> Right. Um, >> thank you for that comment. I appreciate that. >> Yeah. I mean, that's never ever been anything. We we approved it because that's what we do. The thing is is that, you know, we we got pushed into something. It's like we've been asking over and over for this thing to happen and every year it's next year, next year, next year. And I understand we're not going to do that going forward. But here's the thing. Next year when
067they circumvent and go to you and don't come to the board and don't tell the board, then what? Because that's the same thing that's happened to you. I can already see it. All these conversations happened and nobody came to the board. The board gets to see the agreement. That'll be part of the procedure before the LA ever votes on it. You can make the changes that you want, but we hope there's no changes because the representatives that are part of the IBB will make it very clear of the board's expectations. Understanding that there still has to be concessions both sides. >> I think we should go back to the drawing board and do it the right way. [clears throat] I move to ratify it the way it is as it was on June 11th. >>
068Okay. So now we have two motions on the floor. I made a motion. Dave just said I say we do this. >> Oh, gotcha. Thank you. So we have emotion. Well, I don't want to see the teachers be in a frenzy because extracurriculars who have no money from the state don't want their non-state funds to live outside a state fund agreement. There's nothing in the law that says that that should be there. And the law is very specific on what the funds are for and what we are to do with that. And it has nothing to do with these extra contracts. They're not even the base the pay for all the teacher stuff. Everything that we get from the state or that's in the law, I'll put it that way. Um, and I don't want
069the teachers, you know, to be in the midst of this big fiasco, you know, but I don't I don't know what the if we if we move forward, you know. Um, I just want to point out to there's no additional financial obligation of the district if you approve the original negotiated agreement. So there was no raises approved for coaches. So that's that's one. >> Yeah, I'm not. >> Yeah. So financially that's a good thing. >> No, I I understand that. The the thing is is that um you know this was just a little bit heavier of a hand than we've had in prior years. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Um and the board constantly tries to work honestly and equitably and all of that, but >> we truly appreciate that. >> You know, it it Well,
070you may, but I think you're probably the only one in the district. Um, you know, but yet when we try and do something, you know, there's always some loophole. Um, >> you know, >> I got a problem with it because there's no raises for anybody else in this district. There's no step increases for anybody else in this district. It all goes to teachers. >> That's not in the negotiated agreement. Admin stuff isn't in the negotiated classified. But I'm saying classified people that wipe kids' butts are not getting even a >> Those aren't in the negotiated agreement either. >> They're supposed to I think they're supposed to negotiate for everybody. >> Well, unfortunately, the majority of people do live underneath the agreement even if they're not part of the LEA. But the district has year after
071year been fair with >> Yeah. making sure everybody gets >> there's people that aren't even going to get step increases. They won't get a step increase for doing a year of work. They won't get a step increase. That is not fair. That's not right. >> Trusty Quimby, I I do want to point out too that um the state did mandate. >> I understand otherwise. Um and the LA spoke and please you can speak for yourself too. um it was never the intent of the LEA to accept a raise, but the the state uh kind of hand tied us and said we had to give these minimums. So that's where >> that's another problem, Rusty, is we had we've had people in this district office go around the district go around the district and tell everybody
072that we're going to be broke if we go down this road and nobody's nobody's doing anything about it. >> I I guarantee I'm doing something about it. And I guarantee you too with my finance background as you hire them to do. I've checked and and fund balance is important to us and as long as not we're not getting the fund balance we're okay. >> It's tight. I'm not you know that part but we it's tough but we can afford it but we can only afford one group at this point and knowing that we know um and you make a wonderful point and I just want to commend you for that. Um, and we're going to try to work really hard to work towards those people's raises, too. Right now, the pie is not that deep.
073>> I just don't understand the step increase thing. Can somebody explain that to me? >> Through the state, I'm going to Boise, so maybe I can ask him about it. But the bottom >> I'm just You're get you're doing a year of work and you don't get credit for that work. >> I I have to say >> that is wrong. >> It is. But you know what? That's actually in the law, too. actually for year 1 [clears throat] through six there was no the pay scale actually base pay was actually the same kind director of HR so Dave um back in uh 2009 when I started here that was when the economy crashed and everything went downhill I can tell you me personally I was frozen for three years plus then I was asked to
074take furlow days we also had our um our certified staff were frozen. They were able to negotiate back some steps, but our classified staff didn't. There's nothing in state statute that says we're mandated to give steps. It's with what's in the constraints of the budget. And so, unfortunately, I don't like where we are either. Um it's it's hard. Um, we have some really great classified staff that they're the lowest paid in our district and we have health insurance. Yes, it's going up and so it's, you know, that's that's going to hurt them, but again, we have to live within the constraints of our budget and this board is very good about, you know, hands-on trying to find different ways to make that happen. and our CFO is is very on top of things and she
075is also looking for ways. We haven't said nope, this isn't going to happen. We're looking for other ways to see if we can make it happen. >> And we've been working, we've been taught. So, thank you. >> We still have a motion on the table. Is there a second to the motion? hearing. No second, the motion dies. So, I'll open it up for further discussion. Trusty Thompson, may I address the board? >> Yes, you may. >> Okay. Uh one of the things that we did see in our legal council uh recommendation in there was that um from the sounds of it this board and trustee Gryom is from I've heard from I don't know uh really the other members but um they just because this negotiated agreement isn't in place they don't want you don't
076want it to affect the teachers and their contracts at this time. Legal counsel did have recommendation in there stating that we could probably since contracts have been issued, we can keep those contracts in place and still continue with negotiations if that's the board's pleasure. >> Thank you, Brooke. I suppose I would like to ask the LEA president if you could come back to the little podium thing. Would the LEA be willing to enter back into negotiations and allow the salary schedule to remain as it stands with the issued contracts and be willing to negotiate the agreement with the certified scale outside of the contract of the agreement? >> Yeah. um >> without it raising a legal >> penalty. If there's no legal issues with that, I don't know. I just want to make sure that
077we're we're doing things the right way so we don't get >> well the only legal issue would be that you would try to you meaning the LEA not you personally that the LEA would then turn around and sue the district because if we are already made aware of the fact that we shouldn't have done that although it's standard practice within this district to approve the salary certified salary schedule outside of the negotiated agreement. So, we've already done that. What I'm asking is in good faith, would the LEA agree that we could move forward with negotiations with the content of the negotiated agreement exclusive of the certified salary schedule because the certified salary schedule has been approved. The board has no intention of changing that um based on what I've heard. So what we would then
078need to resolve is aside aside from the clerical errors, the other content errors which are the extracurricular and co-curricular salary schedules and apparently the dual credit stipens because I know we talked about that. I don't recall at all what the intention was. I I don't I didn't think we ended on anything other than >> I don't remember. So >> 77% was what was listed. We pulled that out and we just said a basic percentage is what we did. >> A basic percentage of what? >> A basic percentage of the revenue. >> And you can see that >> it's percent. >> We haven't seen it though. So >> but that's why it was supposed to come back to us so that we could have a final conversation on what that was going to be. >> Yeah.
079>> Trusty B. That's the only on that >> and that and that's the exact reason why we had an issue too just because we what is a percentage and who makes that decision? >> Well, the point was that it would remain revenue neutral, >> right? >> That that because 77% is not revenue neutral anymore. It's it's not sustainable. >> I agree. And I think Yeah. and we're digging into >> district funds >> and that was that was the point was that we wanted to make sure that >> that wasn't happening anymore. >> Yeah, agree. >> Um I feel like I I can't speak for my IBB team. I I do have members here, but we are missing one. I would be willing to bet they would want to get back into negotiations if that was
080the case. Um but I don't want to misspe for them here. I don't know. Would you like to have conversation with your team minus the one person to see what they would like to do? >> No, I would appreciate that. >> I would encourage you to do that. >> Can we go to the conference room? >> Absolutely. >> Okay. Thank you. >> You're welcome. >> Chairman Thompson, if we go in this direction, it is my recommendation that we have a work session in preparation to procedures of our IB if that's where you want to go and you guys can define the sandbox in regards to the negotiation and who's supposed to be in the group. Um, and then we could we can move forward with that. But I I cannot find anything beyond 2017 where
081it defines the procedures. >> 2015 or I mean 2015. It was 2007. >> It was 2007. >> Yeah, that was the last thing that we found and nothing that we >> There's no procedures anywhere. >> They're in somebody else's drive and tech could get in the drive and get them where all of the district documentation ended up. It's in the prior administrators >> except IBB came on board with uh Dr. Meyer. >> That's what I'm talking about. She used to bring it up at the meeting and we would follow that. So it's in her >> that's kind of it. It's more of an informal procedure back in the day when actually Chuck Kinsey was a superintendent. There was a much more formal procedure that went before the board. the board chair signed and the LEA
082president signed and really yeah, you should probably get back down to that foundation again um to definitely have all of that stuff outlined. And I absolutely love the idea of meet and confer quarterly because yes, it it's true that when we get to May, we're always holding off on >> negotiations because we're waiting for finance to come back and get the numbers from the state. If we do these meet and confers quarterly, we can get ahead of everything. We'll have language all hammered out and all the crux of stuff and then once we get the numbers from the state, then we're ready to go. We're ready to roll. Right. >> But yeah, I I totally agree. And I I mean Rusty and I and Jake, we have all talked in great length about how to
083get this turned around again. And yes, you guys, the negotiated agreement should be seen by you guys before it goes to uh the LEA for ratification. And somehow I think with IBB that got turned around when that was implemented. Am I saying IBB is not the way to go? No, I'm not saying that because it's collaborative. But I do think there has to be some other procedures put in place. >> Sure. Absolutely. Yep. And the other thing is too just because based on perception because all these district conversations were happening outside of the board then you know it looks like well the board knew. No the board didn't know anything you know and that's the other thing that's very frustrating for me because then I get dumped on and I'm like well wait a minute
084the board didn't why what are you talking about? Where's the paper? Where's the doc? I mean, but everybody else has the information but the board and you know that's >> yeah it's a little backwards and we'll just that is and again Rusty and I have had great conversations along with Jake and we want to get this turned around. >> Yeah. I think the biggest thing though was the misleading uh not not intentionally but just the information that went to council that we had approved the agreement. So, of course, all of their um suggestions were based upon that, you know, um when it wasn't the case. B. I mean, yeah, we I guess now supposedly um the salary schedule can't be pulled out. But I don't know where that's coming from either because >> well, and
085again, like I said, legal counsel did say that we can maintain those contracts as we go through negotiations. I want to minimize as much anxiety for our teachers as possible. We I mean we have school that's gonna start. >> That's my frustration because all this conversation has happened and you know how it is. It's wildfire. So everybody in the district guaranteed has had their own conversations and everybody's come up with their own what they think is going to happen and yet the board doesn't have a clue about the board's own business, right? because we weren't brought into the convers. Unfortunately, most people don't understand this. We cannot talk. We shouldn't even be talking to anybody about what's on the agenda. We shouldn't We're not allowed to even ask questions. It's actually illegal. We should not
086have a board goes to somebody and asks for clarification or has a question about an agenda item is violation of the law because that is considered um deliberation technically. And legally the board cannot converse on anything until it is brought together because it has to speak with one voice. So it becomes very frustrating because a lot of things happen. The perception is well why didn't you ask the question? Well why didn't you find the information? Because legally I can't do that. I can ask administrative things. I can say hey you know did you fix page five? Can you send it to me? That kind of thing. But I can't ask. That's why I just kept asking if someone would give me the paper [clears throat] because I can't ask the question. I cannot enter, you
087know, nobody can on the board. Although I know it happens, but that's [cough] actually illegal. I mean, our own commissioners are the one that set the precedence of that by the Supreme Court of Idaho simply because they had a little side conversation with everybody standing there. It's considered a meeting. You can't do it, you know. So, >> the public can can ask you questions. You just don't answer those questions. >> No, the I'm talking about the board going and trying to find out information or >> you know something like that. Yeah. Not the Yeah. Not the public, but the board trying to >> cuz I don't want the board talking to you. Well, I mean, you do want the all the trustees to understand that I received a phone call from Rusty Monday night and
088then Tuesday, I got a followup with I actually called Rusty Tuesday morning based on him saying that the LEA uh believes we've broken the law. And so when I called him Tuesday morning, I said, you know, I I don't feel it appropriate for you to be in the middle of this given that you weren't even part of this process. So I asked for Jason to come the LEA president to come to the board and let's have a conversation. >> Yeah. >> And then everybody got contacting to lawyers and then we started the whole board which thank you Rusty for all the information that you gave to the board. I greatly appreciate that. >> Um but then we got all these emails. So then I did call legal counsel because some of what the Anderson Julian
089whole attorney was saying I felt was completely uh biased and not appropriate because I know for a fact that good faith has has always been at the front of this board and to be accused of acting in bad faith I think was way out of line. And I know you walked in on that conversation. It was not about the LEA. It was about legal counsel. Just so you understand. >> No, I I truly believe that our IBB process negotiating pro has been has has been good with with with the caveat that there has been some things apparently that have have supposed to been in there that but I can't that that I haven't ever been shared any of that stuff. I've been I've been I've heard in a meeting that you know you would like
090some changes made, but I've never been shared what changes. Um and so I didn't feel it was my responsibility to bring that to the team because I I work for the teachers and the way we had it set up, we did have two board members in there. We have other representatives from the district and in a sense that whether you guys think it is or not, that has always been the board's team. >> And so that's why it was the way it was. And so we just figured, well, if they're not bring it up, they must have been okay with it. And we just we move on. It wasn't trying to be I was >> I brought it up the last year I was there, but then the time got changed. So I and I
091asked the last two years to please change the time. So, I did bring it up. I even brought up tying all the policy and the law to the specific points where we were getting the information from so that anybody looking at it would know, oh, this is why they said it like this or this is, you know, for because people don't know, you know, they don't know what the heck why did we say it like that or whatever on both sides, you know, just to make it more clear. But >> anyway, so what did you guys decide? >> We need we need some clarifying things. Um, we heard So, Brooke, I heard you say that your the your council advised that you can separate it. Rusty, you said that you can't separate it and our
092attorney said that we can't separate separating authorities. So I yeah what he said was basically okay we've issued contracts already based off of this decision and but we would still continue negotiations and it's from my understanding we would include that salary schedule within negotiations as well but we wouldn't neither side would touch it >> yeah we just wouldn't rock the boat right now um >> and which okay >> you see what I'm saying yeah >> so we would just continue on and that actually when I went back and listened to um the meeting. That was the same advice even Brooke had given at the meeting. She said that in the prior years when she had talked to Amy White that Amy White had even said that that we could still you know do the executive
093session. That's why we did that do the executive session >> you know whatever happened happen >> right >> you know so but nobody I have no intention nobody on this board has any intention of doing anything with the teacher salary and their contracts that that was never the intention >> so then that brings up our our kind of next point I mean given the timing of all of this we were talking that I mean we have we have programs that are starting what, next week? >> Yeah. >> If not, I mean, I saw cross country out there running today with the coach, thinking that's offseason stuff, but um >> I I I'm worried. I'm worried about this being a hard thing to ratify right now given the timing of everything based on contracts already went
094out. It's a brand new salary schedule for the coaches in which some of those coaches will be taking cuts in pay. Well, we're not. All we asked is, are you willing, this is what we asked. Are you willing to >> basically finish out the negotiation >> and ultimately we would love to say yes, but what are what are you going to do in the meantime because sports are next week for our certify, >> right? So, yes, I we did have uh some discussion today about that. That was my concern as well because not knowing what was going to happen with his athletic salary schedule. You guys approved the certified salary schedule, but the athletic salary schedule at the time that it was presented is still what it is. So, I would issue because I have
095to issue street coach stipens. I have to have those in by August 15th for the August 28th payroll. So, I would just I would just issue those based off of the current uh salary schedule that's in the negotiated agreement, >> right? Because it's still >> that's what you guys agreed on anyway. >> So, now with all with all of that said, >> would it be easier and I'm not trying to sideswipe what you guys are saying, but wouldn't it be easier just to vote in everything the negotiated agreement? You can even say publicly with the caveat that we're going to work with the new superintendent and the team and the LEA and we're going to try to get all these changes done so that our operations can go as normal in [snorts] the next two
096weeks and we can get schools started so that we can worry about school. >> Well, schools can start because the bottom line is is last year's agreement is still in effect with this year's salary schedule except for the coaches are still under last year's agreement. That can't change, right? That's it. And I haven't seen whatever it was. I really want to see what you saw because I want to see what was changed. >> Yeah. >> I want to see how we got there. >> Yeah. I'm sure I'm sure you'll have it. >> Yeah. >> So, so that was just my input is that to me it would just seem so much easier if because we're not trying to do anything different. It's going to be that way anyway. And then we we start working day
097one. We can start working tomorrow on fixing this stuff and coming up with the things that you guys want to change. So then what I hear you saying is you're not willing you you're not interested in going back to the table. You would prefer that this board ratify what was presented initially. >> I'm trying to think of my our members and trying to think of how they're going to vote when this is presented to them. And I honest I I see it right now the way it stands. I don't I think it's going to be a hard time. It's going to be a hard cell and it's going to mean us just continuing to go back and forth and which we can do. Um, and I have, you know, I don't have any problem doing
098that, but there's a lot of pressure with, I mean, there's I I believe there's a process. >> All we're asking is if you're willing to do the back. >> That's what we've been saying. >> That was it. I mean, everybody gets the same money. We can't we can't do anything about that. And we're not to the point because we haven't seen what, remember, nobody here has seen what you saw. So, in a sense, could we uh I mean, and this might be for you guys to talk about, but could we could we accept last year or the IBB proposal and then just start IBB right now for next year with all these new ideas and then it'll be voted on as a new package in next year. >> I mean, wouldn't that to me that
099would seem then we have all year we have time. >> I made the motion I made. >> We have time you guys could have executive sessions. it would give our super so we can set up our our procedures. >> It just seems to me that that's the easiest and I'm not trying to sell it because I told Dave I believe in June 11 I'm not saying that his proposal is bad for the coaches. >> There were just too many questions that I had that nobody could answer. >> None of the group >> I haven't even seen what you saw to have questions >> and then and it was and it was the same with the dual [clears throat] the dual credit being the percentage being taken out. We had questions. And so to me, it
100just seems like now we have we have the whole year to figure this out. We can ask those questions. We can research. We can find the answers. I will be dedicated as much as you need me to come in and work with you to do that. I would be willing to to get all this stuff answered so that we can move forward because like I said, I believe this is a good opportunity that we have right now. We have a new maintenance facilities director, right, that's doing good. We have a new superintendent, assistant superintendent. I just it just seems so much cleaner and easier given the timing. That's what I would recommend. >> Okay. We didn't ask you for a recommendation. We asked you. >> No, sorry. I gave it to you. >> So, for
101clarification, you would prefer us not to go back to negotiations and that we would ratify what was presented at the June 11th meeting. Is that correct? >> That is correct. Thank you. My concern is if we don't heed uh Vietna's um recommendation that uh going back into negotiations is going to be trying to push a boulder uphill >> because I don't think that the opportunity to have fair and open discussion is going to be received. I think there's going to be um just I think it's going to be a huge obstacle which um is very frustrating. >> Yeah. They already said they're not willing to negotiate. They want what they want and that's it. So it's the same thing you get told every year. Can you just accept this year and then we'll go on.
102All right. Um I would say before we what I would like to do is before we uh enter into this um possibility of ratifying in whole, I would like you to check with legal counsel to make sure that we can start ASAP for next year because I don't want to start and then have it thrown back up in our face that oh no, we violated the law again. Well, we already know we can't because we tried to do that. We already know we can't do that. Remember, we tried to do that when we did the whole levy thing and we were told then we couldn't do it by council. >> So, I I need I need clarification. So, >> you want us to determine if we can start negotiation at this point? >> What I
103am reading in statute is there is no definitive timeline for when you can open negotiations for the school year. >> 100%. That's correct. So, what I'd like to hear from legal counsel is that they are in agreement that we would not be violating anything that we're not reading >> to open negotiations for the next school year as early as the start of the school year, which I'm sure everybody is going to be uberly excited to start negotiating for the next school year when we haven't even started our own the current year. Um, >> this gets us to the impass. I think we'll be very excited. >> You know, I just want to know from legal counsel >> that that is an option. >> Yep. I will check. >> Perfect. >> And share with the board.
104Is that correct? >> Please share with the whole board. >> Just making sure. Yep. So I will move again that we ratify the negotiated agreement as presented to us at the June 11th meeting with the understanding that we start negotiating right away for next year >> and putting systems in place. Yes. And I'm sorry. And I concur. We will follow the course. >> Do we have a second for the motion? >> Yeah, I'll second it. And this is based upon whether illegal is going to get back to us and say, "Yeah, we can negotiate or not." >> You'll have it in the way. >> Yep. Okay. Yep. As long as that's fine. I mean, if not, then I guess we have to start negotiating now. But >> Well, I don't see why we can't table
105it until we have direction from council, but um >> I'd like to hear from council first. [clears throat] >> I hear you. We have a motion in a second. All in favor say I. >> I. >> Any opposed? Nay. >> Motion fails. I motion we table the negotiated agreement until we hear from legal counsel about how we can move forward for the next school year. Um how early we can start negotiations and work through this negotiated agreement for the benefit of the district as a whole. A second. >> We have a motion and a second. All in favor say I. >> I. Any opposed? Hearing none, the motion carries. Our next meeting is on August 13th. Um I would request that um we have the response to legal counsel by from legal counsel by then
106and that uh negotiated agreement pending advice of legal counsel is on the agenda. >> Okay. >> And I also would say too from the board's information is that the original one that was looked at or reviewed at June 11th is that what you said is attached to the board agenda too. >> Yes. Please attach the negotiated agreement that had been presented at June 11th back to the agenda. On that note, uh as long as there's nothing further, anybody? >> Yeah, I still want to see whatever uh the superintendent received. I still want to see the document that was sent to >> you in the morning. Absolutely. >> That needs to be sent. >> Actually, if when the board's finished and I'm going to have Dave send it to you right now. >> Okay. Sure. That'
107be great. Thank you. That's that was all I had. Okay. Just add anything from anyone else. >> Okay. On that note, meeting is adjourned at 7:29.